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Hey Carl, what's happening to man?
Speaker 2: Doing great? Peek glad to be here.
Speaker 1: I have to say one of the highlights of my
week now is your most mostly weekly streams of mostly
gun autism with Jay Burdens.
Speaker 2: It's fun, it's.
Speaker 1: Yeah, especially when you guys were just like like subtweeting
me in in some of your comments this week.
Speaker 2: Teasing a little. Maybe I didn't. I didn't realize we
were talking about you until he started leaning into the
HK details more and I was like, oh, I know,
all right, I know what I'm being pulled into here,
all right that.
Speaker 1: It's perfectly fine open season on me. I'm fine with
it so as my friends are doing it.
Speaker 2: Pete a point in your favor, it means you're not
as poor as I am. So according to internet lore, right.
Speaker 1: Well, H and K doesn't have anything in thirty two,
so that's why uh, HK four and hkp K three.
Speaker 2: Well, I mean, but how but they haven't been made
in forty five? Where can you find them? I know.
Speaker 1: It's like I was just at you know, you know
I have a p seven but yeah, yeah, I was
just at a show where someone had a P seven
M eight and I mean it was almost in a
brand new condition and everything, and I'm like, yeah, I'm
not buying I'm not buying another one. But if it
would have been at thirteen?
Speaker 2: Have you ever fired a P seven ten the forty
cow ITERATIONW No, that I think that's sacrilegious. But it's awful.
It's well, let me let me put it this way.
The gun is still great other than you have all
this extra slide masks like over the bore, and it's yeah,
it's it's terrible. It's awful.
Speaker 1: Well, I mean, the great thing about the P seven
is a nine to milimeter is it's very flat shooting
with the fixed and everything. I've the last thing you've
ever heard associated with the forty caliber is flat shooting.
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, it's it's like one of the snappiest cartridges
because it's high pressure and it's just a little too
much for that size of gun.
Speaker 1: You know.
Speaker 2: Jim Cirillo. Are you aware of Jim Cirillo? No, he
was a You should check it out. You would dig
Jim Cirillo being a New Yorker or I should say
born and bred, right, he was a. He was on
the New York steakout squad in the seventies where their
job was to just set up in the stores that
blacks were robbing and you know, butchering people constantly and
then just shoot it out. And I think the very
first stakeout he did with that squad, he got in
a shootout. And so he he is a very He
was a very experienced gunfighter. He was also a competitive
shooter doing like what do they call that police, what's
what PPC or whatever it's that police oriented practical shooting basically,
and did most of his work with like a Model
ten thirty eight special, like loaded with like wadcutters and
experimenting with lots of stuff, but also did a lot
of work with M one carbines. And his opinion was
that the forty Smith and Wesson needed to be in
the next level of guns. So he got a glock
twenty and got a conversion barrel to forty Smith and
Wesson and would shoot that out of a glock twenty
to make it a pleasant experience, which seems kind of
like seems kind of crazy to the average person. But
you know, I don't know the point of that story
other than to talk about Jim Cirillo, who's awesome.
Speaker 1: The insane part of that is I think it's ten
millimeters more flat shooting than a forty.
Speaker 2: I agree, yeah, exactly exactly.
Speaker 1: I promise everyone this is in April, fools. You're gonna look.
You looked at the title. This is who we're going
to talk about. We just Karl and I cannot get
together with that talking about gun.
Speaker 2: No, really, we can't. So we have to dive into
the P seven, K three's and the HK four someday
but not today is not the day? All right?
Speaker 1: Yeah, the HK four You see him on gunbrok rawl
it son of this?
Speaker 2: All right? All right?
Speaker 1: All right, yeah, all right, so Joe Kent, Yeah, man,
I mean that's that's pretty high profile positions to step
down and step down from due to ideological differences, wouldn't
you say?
Speaker 2: Yeah? And it also points to a trend of true
believers who joined the Now. I can't. I can't gaze
into a crystal ball and see all the details you
have Dan but Ngina or however you say his name, Yes,
who's Italian? Wink wink?
Speaker 1: Anyway, I mean he's Italians.
Speaker 2: He's gone and it's like what is he? I don't know,
like what was his job? Actually? It was mostly like
getting some component of Maga in there, and I don't
think he was ever doing anything other than that. One
great there's a great moment that you and I talked about,
like right at the very beginning of this administration, where
Vagina and Cash Cash app Patel were sitting there looking
like they had seen ghosts or like seen pictures of
them doing things they shouldn't be doing with guns pointed
at them. Anyway, it seems very different with Joe Kent, right,
But it also seems like an ideologue who came to
do a job, who was prevented from doing the job,
who bailed before the backlash against the Trump administration could
catch him up in it.
Speaker 1: And we'll get to why I think that is. We
can talk about that in a bit, but I wanted
to talk about some of the things that he actually said.
And obviously a couple he refers to Israeli power over
the United States government a couple of times in there,
even going so far as to say that, you know,
Israel basically led us into the Iraq War.
Speaker 2: Yes, which was huge. Yeah, so all the wars that
he participated in were fake wars. The war that killed
his wife was a fake war, you know, caused by
caused by Israel. Big stuff.
Speaker 1: Yeah, you know, and especially if you understand what was
going on in Syria and how now you're you're siding
with the people who you were fighting against, not just
you know, not too long before. And if you understand greater,
the Greater Israel project, you have an understanding as to
why you would you kept seeing redirection after redirection. Yes,
they even called one, they even called one of it
one of the moves, the.
Speaker 2: Direction, yes. Yeah. And the the interesting thing also is
that continue his experience forces him to or compels him,
I should say, to continue to speak about the serious
situation which people forget about all the time. He talked
in a very detailed way. Almost I was almost surprised
where he essentially said, you know, Iran was fighting against ISIS,
And I mean, I wonder how many people that didn't
know that caught that and are and it blows their
mind that, you know, because for a long time we
were supporting ISIS, you know, through back channels, and then
then we ended up actually fighting them when it was
pretty much over already but Iran had been fighting them.
And the reason he pointed that out obviously is one
it's true, but also to get you know, people's minds
working about what the situation actually is in the Middle
East and that you know, Iran was fighting against The
main thing is Iran fights against whoever comes against them,
and in that case it's you know, Israel and their proxies,
and a lot of times the United States is an
Israeli proxy. And just him keeping keeping that point being
something that he was continually bringing up, you know, in
a in an appropriate fashion that wouldn't blow people's minds,
but yeah, just just staggering stuff to see from a
mainstream figure.
Speaker 1: Well, I mean, he clearly says that this was done,
that the Saran attack was done for Israel, was done
for Israel. I mean sure, Ever since this happened and
what we going on seventeen days, sixteen day, eighteen day,
you've already heard alternate theories about how this was is
about China. This is about taking control, wrestling control away
from oil production, going through the straight o Horn moves
and sending it somewhere else.
Speaker 2: So all the.
Speaker 1: Cope, Yeah, you know that people are people have bought
into whether they're doing it out of some kind of
misplaced loyalty or they're getting paid to but he clearly
says that.
Speaker 2: Well, okay, So I don't remember.
Speaker 1: If he laid this out in the Tucker interview, but
he did an interview Scott Horton dropped an interview with
him today which you heard happen yet, yes, which I
heard you haven't, And he says that he's of the
opinion that Israel took out Komane because they knew Komane
was anti nuke.
Speaker 2: Yes, you want.
Speaker 1: Nukes, had said over and over again, we don't want nukes.
If he enriched any uranium, it was just as a
bargaining chip.
Speaker 2: And he says.
Speaker 1: Israel took him out knowing that he would be replaced
by somebody who wasn't anti nuke. Thereby he can get
Thereby you have to fight the regime change war that
Israel wants.
Speaker 2: Yeah, he alluded to that with Tucker, but not in
quite as much detail. I think, more in a roundabout way.
So it sounds like he kind of refined his talking
point and made it a little more focused in the meantime.
But yeah, it's it's so obvious and to hear him
explain it is fantas now. It also puts the other
people in the administration in a tough spot, especially like
Tulsi Gabbard, who you know, is obviously aligned with him,
who probably thinks that she can do something. But you know,
Joe Kent was essentially powerless to do what he wanted
to do, you know, other than just doing exactly what
he was told, which he wasn't. He wasn't there to
just be a lap dog, which is great. So I mean,
what I find astonishing is that the Israelis and Marco
Rubio explained this already, and then someone else with Rubio
explained I'm trying to think of who that was, but
Mike Johnson, Yes, thank you, Mike Johnson. They just told
us exactly what it was like without even thinking about
it immediately. And Trump essentially did the same thing too.
He was like, well, they were going to go, so
we had to go. And so for them to pivot
two weeks in is hilarious. And try to, again, to
your point, find all these copes, and it's like if
those copes were real and they were part of a
strategic calculus, as if there's a strategic calculus. It was
obviously a panicked reaction because they were going to go
for it anyway. You know, they were just completely behind
the eight ball these copes. We would have had these
copes be part of the official story a long time ago,
like if they were going to seed the ground. I
almost feel like it was deliberate and people, you know,
you and I are old enough that we don't think
super highly of Marco Rubio, right, I think that's fair
for me to say, but we both knew that Rubio
is the guy if you're a pivot to the Western hemisphere. Yes,
he has a history of being an obsequious lapdog of
the neocons, but that's not his interest. His interest isn't
the Middle East, Like he doesn't give a fuck. He
wants to focus on the Western hemisphere that he's obsessed with.
And so, you know, that seemed like the move and
for him to just come right out and tell everyone
that we did it because of our masters in you know,
a Middle Eastern democracy we're going, and so we had
to do it too so that we didn't get caught
on our back foot. Like that's crazy, And it feels
like to me, you know, it feels deliberate on his part,
whether or not it was like a strategy in the
way that like Joe Kent's tell all is right, like
a political calculus.
Speaker 1: Well, I can't get past the fact that he's basically
owned by Larry Ellison. He's brought up in politics by
Zionist Jews. So yeah, I mean, there could be more there.
There's always more there. They're always scheming and looking at
other places. I just think that this Iran thing, you know,
being the seventh on the Wesley Clark list is kind
of hard to avoid right now because if they're looking
at regime change, I mean we're not talking we're not
talking about like in and out, and we're not talking
about a seventeen day war. We're talking about something that's
going to take a very long time. Because the topography
of Iran is even worse than what people keep always
compare everything to Vietnam. Yeah, yeah, much worse.
Speaker 2: Much worse. Yeah, Because Vietnam is essentially a coastal point
that goes into foothills and then a mountain chain that's
the border for most of the country, whereas Iran is
just like rows of mountain walls essentially. And here's the thing, Pete.
I don't think that the US has any intent to
invade Iran, and I keep saying that, nor do I
think it's possible at this point in time. You certainly
can't use the Gulf States. That's what's being demonstrated right
now is you can't have US forces within range of
Iranian missiles. And anyone, any country who hosts US forces
for a ground invasion of Iran is going to get flattened.
They're going to lose their oil production, and they're going
to have their leadership get calibrated. So you know, the
Jews didn't think carefully about this one. They jumped. And
something I said with Stormy and Dee in the most
recent inquisition is they didn't take the time to rebuild
social capital with white men by giving them things to
get them on board. The people who are on board
with this war. Yeah, you had a little bump in
recruiting of white men at the very beginning of the
Trump administration. I don't believe it has persisted, and I
don't believe anyone left really cares about this. They certainly
couldn't do a draft. That would be a disaster for them.
It would probably spark US civil war among other things,
and they just didn't they didn't rebuild the military sufficiently
to sustain this or do a ground invasion. You know,
there's talk of this, you know, marine corps, you know,
invasion of an island or whatever. What is accomplished by that,
I don't know, other than creating more targets to get blasted.
Speaker 1: I just especially when you consider that ninety percent of
Iranian oil goes through there.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, exactly. So you know, what we've essentially determined
is that Iran determines if oil flows are not and
you know, they the what's in everyone's best interest other
than and even like the regular person in Israel, and
I know someone out there is going to be like
they're are racial enemy down down to the last man,
woman and child, and it's like, look, you get Internet
points certainly. However, like in reality, the people getting blown
up and not having power and running water in Israel
right now aren't enjoying that, and they're realizing that their
political leadership created this situation. And so it doesn't matter
how rabid the average you know person is or isn't,
when when they start having to pay, you know, personally,
people get really unenthusiastic about it, and that's why they're
running for the borders and that's why they're trying to
fly out, but the airport keeps getting shut down. That's
why all the private jets left. You know, it's it's
not it's not going to be something they're going to
be happy about soon. And you know, they haven't exactly
had a stable political situation over there. The people who
are just think that there's like one cabal, right, there's
that there's one orientation, ignore the fact that there is
significant political strife in Israel and it will only worsen
for them at this point, especially because the US cannot
sustain what we're doing and it's not worth it, and
no one, no one wants it. No one in our
leadership wants this to continue. Like they're extremely unenthusiastic about it.
So it's it's just a it's a disaster for everyone
who felt that it needed to be done and made
it happen. And the best thing for us to do
is to just you know, basically say hoorayh, you know,
that was great, everything's fine, we accomplished our objectives and leave.
But I mean, obviously we didn't accomplish anything. It's a
it's a it's a big joke. Did you see did
you see that Saudi Arabia try to get Pakistan, who
they have a joint defense agreement with to to scramble
against Iran and Pakistan was like yeah, right, and they
everybody give us all our money back, give us six
point three billion dollars back. Yeah. Everyone everyone is like,
forget this man, it's a disaster.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's just I mean, well, look, there are plenty
of opinions out there. There's other things I wanted to
bring up. Okay, let's get away from some of the
things that he said that. I will have notes here,
I'll bring them up. But I wanted to ask you
this question. Does this in your mind when you see
that the director of the National Country Terrorism Center retires
because he can't do anything? What does this do to
the people who say, well, just get in there infiltrate
and you can make you can change it, You can
change the system.
Speaker 2: Yeah, no it I think I think the most important
lesson from this is that you can't take over a
system that is sufficiently robust that you don't have overwhelming
numbers to push out your enemies. You just can't do it.
You have to purge everyone. And the biggest problem with
the Trump administration is that his coalition basically empowered him
to get back into power after October seventh. I mean,
it's obvious. That doesn't mean it's completely Jewish, of course
not because it's a coalition, and it doesn't mean it's
completely Zionist in orientation. It's a coalition. There are a
bunch of different groups who came together and we've seen them,
we know which ones they are. And you know, if enough,
if enough Zogglings are in there, you can't do shit.
If you can't talk to the president without going through
you know, a Zog operative, it's pointless. So yeah, you know,
I think having people in so that you have some
connection to state operations is one thing, But it doesn't
mean that they're going to have power. It means that
like in a certain type of crisis or a certain
kind of shift, you'll have some information, right, But that
doesn't that doesn't get you anything unless you have sufficient
weight behind you. Now, if let's let's put it, let's
bring it back to something that that people think about Pete,
that we've talked about about quite a bit, which is
like in in the United in the United States, if
we were heading into a Spanish Civil war type situation
in the United States, even if it was just like
mostly a regional thing or dealing with certain states, do
you want people in the federal government who are your friends? Yes,
what kind of jobs to me? More internal facing? But
again that comes back to the point like are you
going to be able to accomplish anything? You know, Charles
Spadeel was, you know, he's he's shared his experience with that.
There's other people that are able to get things done
because of the kind of job that they have, which
is oriented towards a specific, specific task that allows them
to do things that need to be done that they
agree with. But you know, you're stuck with the system
that you're stuck with. Except in those crisis situations, the
bureaucracy has its tendencies, but the bureaucracy is weak, and
if you can leapfrog them, or if you are a
man of steel, you can, you know, deal with certain situations,
But in day to day operations, you can't do that.
You can't march into an office and be like you're
under arrest, you know, or I shoot you you can't
you can do that in a coup. Not that I
recommend coups and I disavow coups, but you know, in
your day to day you certainly can't do that. So
it's it's much trickier and much more frustrating than than
you know, fantasy scenarios. So the.
Speaker 1: Just getting back more towards I think we both agree
that the Kent resignation, the letter and everything he's been
saying on what he said on Sucker at least from
what you what you heard and what I heard on
Scott Wharton today is is that he just he believes
that Israel holds all the cards and they basically wag
they wag the dog.
Speaker 2: Yes.
Speaker 1: And I think at this point, like anyone who's saying otherwise,
like I heard a really lispy, faggot sounding dude, you know,
talking about America's history of of colonization and this and
that and how they treated the Indians and you know,
and that's how you know that they control Israel because
they It's like, of course, that's you're that's assuming the
same people are in charge and have the same exact
motivations from back then, and that's just not true.
Speaker 2: So, oh yeah, it's it's just the the propaganda. There's
always going to be you know, you and I have
talked about this a lot, where different people play different roles,
and you know, you've had guests on who explained this
as well, that you know, they they never go as
hard as some people that they hope others will get to,
right who will move the people will move past them
to the edgier stuff that but in terms of the
sandbox that they play in, they play in more moderate angles.
And we have to consider that enemy propagandists do the
same thing, right like that that that is one, it's nonsense,
but it appeals to a certain specific mentality, uh, to
cover for Israel and for you know, the Israeli lobby
in the United States. And uh, it's you know, that
was the what's his name? That was the Chomsky angle
is that he always claimed that Israel, as you know,
a satellite of the United States and did the United
States bidding, which is hilarious, but of course he would right.
Speaker 1: Well, I mean if that's and what I've always said
to people like that, well, if I want to admit
that's true, I'm also going to have to admit that
the United States has been under occupations. So yes, I mean,
how do you even divorce us from Israel?
Speaker 2: Exactly? Exactly you Every major event in American history since
probably about nineteen thirteen, ten thirteen, yeah, exactly, yeah, yeah,
the first quarter of the twentieth century is tied at
the hip to some sort of operations specifically for them.
And when you know the people who there's this like
libertarian tendency too, you know, you know, one of one
of the things I've said, and and I mean I
mean this in good faith. Like you know, you and
I are both former Libertarians, and we have a we
both have like deep understandings. Yours is much deeper, frankly,
but we have deep understandings of like the ideological background
and the you know, the books and the thought processes
and the economic theory and all the things. Right, and
the average person who is uh, who kind of like
subscribes to those, you know, that that belief system, we
can call it, that cope system, uh, has a really
shallow understanding of those things, but like it sounds right
to them and a lot of the time. And it
took me a while to figure this out myself, and
I think I've we've talked about this before, but for myself,
I realized that it was a cope because that way
I could kind of be above it all and be like, well,
I'm powerless, but by you know, claiming that I have
this ideological reason to like, I can be above it
all and be like, you know, oh, it's a disaster,
and I have this like pure land libertarianism in my
mind that you know, is untouched by this that that's
like my ideal. And it's like, well, politics are about
the dealing with the real world, not ideals, and you
should be motivated by your you know, your beliefs, your faith,
which is incredibly important, and then you're the ideology that
you have should be based on reality. And so you know,
most people are they're they're ideological understanding is just it's
literally a control mechanism to neutralize them, uh with with copes.
And it's like there's libtarded ones, there's conservatid ones. You know,
there's there's all these arrays of things that don't aren't
really relevant to the modern day. And the nice thing
about now is that when you see that sort of
stuff crop up in the you know, in debate, it's
like it's obvious bullshit. Like it's sometimes it's just an
idiot who's commenting and has no business commenting, so you
just ignore them. But if it's being promoted, it's just
obvious bullshit, and so you can just say, ah, there's
another example of where ideology is cope. Ideology is a spook.
It's it's it's really quite staggering how many of these old,
this old momentic mimetic poison that has seeped into our
minds when we when we look for something outside of
the mainstream, you still deal with all all these ideas
that you pick up, whether it's through music, whether it's
through counter culture. Uh. And and a lot of the
ideas that we absorbed from the internet, uh, you know
when casting about you know, whether it's you know, the
the first of rock War, you know, early Gwatt, when
you're like, oh, you know, I I really don't like
these things, Well there are these like here are these
buckets that you know of buckets of ideas that you
can if you engage with and whichever one like seems
to appeal to you, you'll kind of dig into that one.
And a lot of it is because it reinforces, you know,
pre existing ideas that you have, not that it has
explanatory power. And so as the explanatory power of those
things has faded in the last couple decades, like, not
only do we have to shift and stay positive frankly
and and and look for good things, but we also
have to be sure to aggressively expunge those ideas out
of our minds because we still carry a lot of
that cope. There's a lot of there's a lot of
and you know, it sounds like I've been rambling, but
if you go back to the early twentieth century and
you look at you know, Monster from Jeckyll Island for example,
there's uh, you know, there's some really bad takes that
explain what happened there. It's, oh, it's just about money
and powerful people, and you know, the businessman's plot was
bad capitalists trying to be fascist, and there's all this
this really poisonous stuff that when you really look at it,
you're like, oh, it's Jews, you know, and and and
it's this it's this consistent thing and you and it's
really easy to say, oh, well, by having all the
money go through this system that you know, not only
it makes us poorer, but it makes us more dependent
on this system that they can extract money out of
and then automatically have that much more power over things.
And you know, oh, well, you have to think about
the impact of the economy and the you know, the casino.
Got to have your money in the casino, and you
don't want to lose all your money that's in the
casino if we do, if we do a politics that
we don't approve of, it's all this crazy shit and
you know that we're just we're seeing them come up
and it's our job to smack them down.
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's when you're ideological or when you only when
you're only looking at one thing. So you know, you're, oh,
if we can just fix the economics, the economics will
take care of everything. It's like, okay, sure, explain the
economics to me how to get that way? Who's in
charge of the economics? Who does so we're not worried
about the who? You know, we just well, that's because
you don't have any answers.
Speaker 2: You're not.
Speaker 1: You're just basically wish casting when you talk about it,
exactly until you start naming and saying, okay, this is
who's doing it. You know, if if you if your
country is being invaded, the first thing you want to
know is who it is, Yes, because you know there
if it's one group, they fight differently than another group.
Speaker 2: And yeah, I mean, it's just all right.
Speaker 1: So let's talk about the fact that he brought up
in the in the Tucker interview Butler and the Charlie
Kirk assassination. And he he very explicitly put those two
together in the same box and say they relate to
each other. And he implies, or not really implies. He
pretty much says that he thinks that Trump is scared,
that he's been threatened and his family may have been threatened,
and that's why everything he's doing is against what he
ran on. But I mean, you know, I have arguments
with that too, because.
Speaker 2: Maybe he always.
Speaker 1: He's always been around these people.
Speaker 2: His whole life.
Speaker 1: So I think that that was probably the most shocked. Well,
there's another shocking thing he said with Scott Wharton he met.
He started talking a little bit about it with Talker,
but he went harder with Scott Horton. But I'm gonna
save that till the end because that takes me to
another place, But what was what was your reaction when
you start to hear him explicitly talking about Butler and and.
Speaker 2: Charlie Kirr, Well, I think that, you know, the the
hard thing that we've had in the discourse around those
topics is that there was no investigation, no real investigation,
like the investigation stopped, you know, under the very top level.
And you and I think we all know we're not
never going to get certain kinds of information like it was.
It was deliberately excluded. You know, other people have researched
these things, and there's a lot of really interesting stuff
that they find, and some of it sounds more delusional,
but basically, you know, yeah, the surface level simple explanation
can be true, but there's enough corroborating, you know, there
are enough layers that are obviously that warrant a look.
And when they just say no, no, no, no, like
the official explanation is no no, it doesn't actually warrant
a look. It's like, of course people are going to
dig into that stuff. Like I saw something today that
as it relates to Charlie Kirk because I tried not
it was so dark, I just tried not to pay
much attention to it for a long time. That to
me is like pretty persuasive about a slightly alternative explanation.
Speaker 1: You want to talk about it now, or you want
to talk about it off.
Speaker 2: The air, off the off there, because I don't. I
don't have enough information. I literally just saw it Woe
posted it, and I was like, huh, and it warrants
investigation on my part before I can come to any conclusions.
But anyway, the point being is is it completely changes
the narrative because you can have you can have multiple
things happen at once, right, Like the Patsy is actually there,
the Patsy you know, isn't created from whole cloth. Usually
you usually don't need to do that, right, So that
and just the lack of just the narrative that like
you can't investigate it or it's an ongoing investigation and
so you can't say anything. It's pretty lame. And of
course it encourages people who are retarded to come up
with retarded explanations for things. Of course it does. But
you have to let it play out and if and
if there's no real investigation, if the uh, the counter
terrorism hauncho isn't allowed to uh look at information related
to something that tells me, that tells me that he's
being kept away from it for a reason.
Speaker 1: Right, Yeah, well, I while you were talking, I of
course went to Woe's account and now that's I'm not
gonna be able to stop thinking about that.
Speaker 2: I know it's terrible, Yeah, but I mean, the whole
thing is so terrible when you think about it.
Speaker 1: Look, I got reports today that is was telling people
in Lebanon to leave their houses and then they're blowing
up buildings. And the shocking part to me for that
was that they were telling people to leave their house.
Speaker 2: Yeah, exactly, yep.
Speaker 1: So yeah, we've seen what they believe about civilians.
Speaker 2: So when I look at that, I'm, uh, yeah. But the.
Speaker 1: You mentioned, you know, the just how kooky everything can get,
and it seems like that that's the new propaganda. If
you can't come, if you can't change people's minds with propaganda,
then you have to.
Speaker 2: Flood the zone with misinformation. Yes, yep.
Speaker 1: And you see a lot of that, you know, and
it's you know, and hey, every once in a while
I'll talk about it, I'll bring something up that's obviously false.
Most of the time, I know it's false. I just
bring it up because it sounds fun, especially on a
live stream, but the I just pretty much don't believe
anything anymore. And yeah, I think that most people have
gotten to the point where I am like, you know,
they're talking about this huge false flag, you know, a bomb,
you know, a nuke going off in a United States city,
blaming it down in Iran. And I mean, I think
at that point, half the population it's like, it's not
that that wasn't Iran, that was Israel.
Speaker 2: At this point, yeah, you know, and exactly and I
and I would say a plurality of people in America
would make that assumption as well if anything happened.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it doesn't. It seems like what Here's the thing
to me is is that you know, I've really been
paying attention since October seventh. I was immediately talking about
how this was this was a turning point, just like
nine to eleven, just like the housing crisis, just like COVID.
This is just another thing. Yeah, Charlie Kirk's assassination was
another one. And I think, you know, the beginning of
this war, this this takes us. Unless they get out
of this immediately, then you know, this is where we're
this is where we're at. This is going to be
just another one of these turning points. And I mean
I have people contact me who are in our bubble
and they're like, I talk to normies and within five
minutes they're you know, so what do you think about you.
Speaker 2: Know, what the Jews are doing? Yeah, And.
Speaker 1: For those who you believe in elite theory, that there's
always a small group that's pushing. I mean, if you
if you don't, if you believe that Israel controls the
United States, you believe in elite theory, Okay.
Speaker 2: Just yeah, exactly, Yes, there is truth to it.
Speaker 1: But also one thing that I know from my history
and my reading, and anyone who's followed two hundred years
together can figure this out. In many other cases in history,
whether it's you know, like whatever it is, most of
the time the common people don't even know what's going on.
Speaker 2: Yeah, exactly.
Speaker 1: But when but when when they push? When this group
pushes too far, the peasants always the peasants always know, oh,
in insane amount of numbers, and I they have to
know that's not good for them. So why why are
they put what? Why is Mark Levin? Why did they
allow Mark Levin to be out there talking.
Speaker 2: It's it's it's astonishing. It's astonishing. I just and and
and this is what drives me crazy. You know. They'll
say they'll say stuff like, oh, you know, anti Semites
are the ones who are putting all these ideas out there,
and it's like, no, you're centering the conversation on your
on yourself, and we're just listening to what you say,
and we believe that you like believe that you can
do this, and you're so obviously disgusting and so obviously nuts.
Like it just speaks for it's you speak for yourself.
I don't have to say anything. I just point to
it and go eh eh. And they have such a
lack of theory of mind for other people that they
just all they have is, you know, the the labels uh.
Aarn McIntyre posted today. Isn't it interesting paraphrasing, isn't it
interesting that cancel culture came back with the uh, you know,
the neo con return to prominence. Huh? Imagine that? And
that's all they have because they're so obvious.
Speaker 1: So Thomas and I recorded today and we're doing a
couple episodes on the The Ikman trial and too to
points out like Mark Levin. One of the points that
Thomas made is is if you look at like the
the prosecution and the people sitting in the front at
that trial, most of them look European mm hmm, very
well spoken, don't lose their don't lose their their tempers,
and basically trying to in a in a trial that
was an absolute travesty and just the fuck what a
fucking mess that was. Ye, I mean, there's no precedent
in history for what that was. They tried to put
on their best errors and now they're they're friggin spokespeople
are Mark Levin, Laura Lumer. Yeah, a gay guy who
like bought two kids and bragged about it, and then
pretty much everybody in the GOP congratulated him.
Speaker 2: Yes, oh boy, I'm so happy for you.
Speaker 1: Really, If you don't believe me, I have a video
with all the tweets of all all the quote unquote
right wingers who congratulated him for buying two kids.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 1: But yeah, it just seems that people are in panic
mode over just exactly what they are getting away with now.
But I don't think that they realize that, like they're
they're I'm trying to figure out how to say this.
They're in control, but they're out of control. While they're
in control, like they have they have control of the levers,
but the lever they're just pulling levers and pushing them
and breaking them off and just like and they have
no idea what they're doing. Yeah, So I'm honestly, I'm
I'm not blackpilled at all.
Speaker 2: No, No, I mean exactly the same way, man.
Speaker 1: Yeah, And I mean I'm obviously we don't have a leader.
There's no leadership. There's no no one who is going
to take a stand in the government right now, it
is going to take a stand against them. But that
still when you you can't you know, you can only
drive a car so reckless, reckless all the time before
you're gonna fringing, wipe out, you're gonna spin out, you're
gonna you're gonna go off the road. And that's what
we're seeing right now, is we're just seeing a car
barreling down the road. And it doesn't seem like there's
a drive for the wheel.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, it's it's yeah, they're they're just they're just
continuing to do the same thing. And the narrative is
incongruous with what's taking place. Like at this point, we
know they just utterly hijacked MAGA, right, which again none
of us were like Maga guys. But at the same time,
you know, there's you're like, it would be nice if
you know that was what they actually wanted to do.
H and and just there incompetence and again to your point,
like they're contempt just a total disregard for even trying
to look legitimate and follow norms that we would follow.
They're so confident that they have total control of the
culture that they that they behave the way just brazenly
and an inability to differentiate between that and their old
way of influencing the culture because they're like, well, my
whole life, we've been in control and I've been able
to just act however I want to. Doesn't mean people
like it. It's they were. It was more that they
just weren't aware of it, you know, it's it's it's
totally staggering. Yeah, it's not good for them.
Speaker 1: Well, here's the thing. When you think that you're in control,
when you think that you are we are the government,
and then you look at the government and you're like, well,
it just doesn't seem that the government works for Why
isn't the government working for us? Because we live in
an occupied country? When you really lies that there's an
outside force that you've been social engineered into thinking are
victims thinking are smarter than you, thinking are literally better
than you?
Speaker 2: And then you're like, oh, wait.
Speaker 1: A minute, these are murderous psychopaths. Yeah, this is why
we're murderous psychopaths. Now, yes, exactly because we've become them.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it doesn't it doesn't explain like like one of
the I was thinking about at the end of the
nineteenth century, I was I was reading some material with
the you know, new American imperialism attitude, right like Roosevelt,
Teddy Roosevelt and stuff like that, and some really wild
shit frankly that that they would say and do you know,
uh sping you know, Spanish American war operations in the Philippines,
et cetera, How all that was conducted. It's pretty psycho
and it it's interesting because that then gets blamed for
what we actually did for the next seventy five years,
which was coming from a completely different mentality than that.
Like that was a lot of that was frankly just
propaganda to you know, for that specific war. It wasn't
this like real policy. That the actual policy was much
more measured and much more reasonable for the first half
of the twentieth century than it was later. But the
latter half was supposedly so much more moral, right because
all these other moral considerations are being and no, absolutely not.
There was way more psychopathic in the second half of
the twentieth century. So yeah, it's it's crazy stuff because
you have these and again it goes back to those
those old assumptions that you just can't understand unless you
actually step back and say, I'm going to disregard the explanation,
the ideological explanation I had for this that was provided
to me. Right, It's not like I came up with
it on my own. I consumed it at some point
in my life and I was kind of like, oh,
that has explanatory power. That seems to make sense. Smart
people seem to think that, and then you find out
that they're just full of shit and like covering up
for like what's actually happening. And then you're like, oh,
because because all those frames are about your evil American
and like Americans don't want to run around the world
and you know, do imperialism. Like there's a little bit
of people that talk that way on the internet, but
it's like almost nobody actually wants to do that.
Speaker 1: The average American does not want to leave their house.
Speaker 2: No, why would The American doesn't want to get off
the couch.
Speaker 1: Yeah, so why would you want to run around The
only reason you think that you need to be running
around the world is because the people who've been occupying
you for over one hundred years have convinced you so
mm hmm.
Speaker 2: First they force you to do it, and then after
the fact they come up with a narrative because like
World War two was mostly conscript war. It was like
the most propagandized war in history, and most people went
into the who served on the front lines were conscripts
in the US perspective as well as the rest of
the world. Like a meat grinder is is non voluntary,
it's non optional. So and and then the other side
of that is that if you didn't participate in it,
you ate ship for the rest of your life. Yeah,
as punishment because it was so important.
Speaker 1: Well, I mean, and look at look at the way
Ireland gets treated now they have to destroyed because because
they were like, yeah, we're not this isn't us.
Speaker 2: We have not to deal with this. Yeah, exactly, they
must be destroyed because they didn't sacrifice, you know, a
generation of young men for Jewish power. You know, I
think I've mentioned this before, but I have a I
have a scene in Faction with the Crusaders that is
basically a conversation with a rando in the United States.
That is actually my one of my grandfather's stories. One
of my grandfathers volunteered for the military. He joined the
army before the war started because he knew he knew
there was going to be a war. The World War
One vets that he worked with, and he was like
twenty five at the time, said, war drums are beating.
You don't want to be you don't want to be conscripted.
You don't want to be drafted. The smart smart move
is too because you're canon fodder. You're an Appalachian kid.
You're a cannon fodder baby. So join early, get a
little experience, and then next thing you know, you'll be
an NCO and you'll have actual training instead of just
getting these little eight week eight week meat grinder sessions,
and so he did that, and the other one who
had been a merchant marine and then was a firefighter.
His mother made him promise. She said, you know that
this war is you know who this war is for,
and what they're cooking up is not in our interests
and it is not moral, and so I want all
my boys to promise me you will not run off
to some full war. They all promised. The only one
who stuck with it was my grandfather. His other brothers
went into the military because the pressure was too great,
and he ate shit for it for the rest of
his life. And he was named after his parents' neighbors
only child who died in World War One in the
very first battle the United States fought in something like
twenty thousand young men were killed in one day for
fucking nothing. Nothing had anything to do with us, And
why was the US there Balfour Declaration. So I take
it personally.
Speaker 1: Yeah, my dad did the same thing with Vietnam mhm.
He joined when he was seventeen, you know, went into
made it into intelligence and everything like that.
Speaker 2: But yeah, yeah, when you volunteer you have a few
more options. Yep. Mine did the same thing after he
graduated from college. He was like, Hey, I have an
accounting degree. I bet that would make me useful in logistics.
What can we do?
Speaker 1: So, uh, let's finish with this. I know at the
end of the Tucker interview, Tucker is asking for solutions.
At the end of the Scott Horton interview, same thing,
And basically Joe Kent went hard. I think he went
he went harder on Scott Horton show because I mean,
Scott Horton's got a much smaller, a much smaller platform
than Tucker does. I think sometimes when you go on
bigger platforms, you tend to tone it down moderate, yeah, yeah,
and then you go on a smaller platform, it's like
I can let loose a little more. Which it doesn't
matter that those people are always going to find you,
whether you're on a small platform or whatever. They found
Darryl on my platform and we did our JQ episode.
So he said, the way you do this is you
just have to pressure Israel. You just have to tell
Israel you're not getting what you want. You are not
getting anything until you fuck until you moderate yourself, until
you fucking come to your senses. Absolutely, who's ever talked
like that before when it comes to them. Never I'm
talking and I'm talking about like somebody who was an
appointed official. You know what's funny, there are people like
there are trusters out there who are like, he couldn't
even win. He couldn't even win an election. Could you
imagine how bad it would have been if he would
have won an election? Oh, so you're happy that the
Democrat won.
Speaker 2: Would you like me to explain for the audience how
he lost that election? Please? He primaried a really shitty
Republican and the the smear campaign began hot and heavy,
and the people. When I say he primaried, it means
that the people of his district were sick of their
anti Trump, never Trump Republican clown who relatives of mine,
you know, also disliked very much and voted for Joe Kent.
And anyway, in Washington State, they have mail in ballots.
It's mail only. Do you think that any election in
Washington State goes the way that the Democratic Party machine
doesn't want it to go? Absolutely not. They have motor voter,
they have every ballot stuffing tool on hand. And in
their very first all male gubernatorial race in two thousand
and four. It was the very first time they stole
an election. We you know, it was really interesting because
if you look into it, Washington State probably like almost
certainly should have had a Republican governor in two thousand
and four and going into the Obama era because that
guy would have had two terms and was fairly popular.
And you know, any any district that has more than
a few libtards in it is going to be it's
going to you know, have elections won by Democrats. The
most conservative parts of the western half of the state
have all like pageet Democrat representatives because of the numbers.
And it isn't because people are voting for them. It's
because of the ballot stuffing and the fact that there's
no oversight. There's been no oversight over elections from someone
who wasn't a partisan Democrat hack for twenty five years.
So that is how Joe quote unquote lost an election.
I just love that they're celebrating that a Democrat won.
They're carrying water for their enemies, oh, I know, which
shows that they're they're the enemy.
Speaker 1: And then and then what they say, what they'll say
when you criticize the administration for what they're doing well,
you're just using the left talking points. You're just I mean,
you just said that you you just said that you
you're happy that a Democrat won.
Speaker 2: Yeah, exactly, exactly.
Speaker 1: Here's my here's the last thing I want to bring up.
I think that you've probably heard me talk and I
don't know if we've talked about this before, but it
seems like Tucker McGregor a couple other people that there
is an old school American call them wasps. They want
their country back. Oh yeah, I'll just say this, if
I were to say, Joe Kent twenty eight, what would
you think, hm, hm, as the as the first major
anti Israel.
Speaker 2: Candidate based That's what I say. And you know, it's
interesting because at different times he said a lot of
different things, but people can also change their minds, and
he strikes me, he strikes me as completely honest and candid.
Speaker 1: Dude, if you're in the field, if you're out in
in the fucking ship and you have Shia, if you
have Iran back Shia groups killing your buddies, you're I
have I give you a pass yes on some of
your opinions. It's like some of the guy's opinions who've
been been in the ship of you know, of Islam,
you know, and lumping it into one thing. You've you
watch your buddy die, you get a pass.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, But.
Speaker 1: That's that's what I was thinking, is is that.
Speaker 2: This is setting and.
Speaker 1: I'm not I'm not the smartest man on the planet.
Somebody on their side already figured this out. And that's
why immediately the the the oh he's a leaker. Oh
he's you know, his his wife works for the you know,
for the Chinese Communist Party, which doesn't exist.
Speaker 2: You know what My favorite thing was related to that.
Pete was some some israel Lite, some Israeli you know,
typing in English, yelling at Americans, said that his wife
works for Max Balloon and Bloomenthal, a rabid anti Semite. Yeah,
I heard, beautiful.
Speaker 1: I hear an interview at Max Bullomtthel yesterday. He's like,
he said, I've never met her, I never talked to her.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 1: A lot of people do drive by articles for our website.
Speaker 2: Exactly, exactly hilarious man.
Speaker 1: And I think Burden actually said today when he was
talking with Thomas on Radio Free Chicago, He's like, look,
I've written for like twelve websites and they're one off,
like twelve websites, one off articles, and I've never had
contact with them since I'm just looking. I was just
looking for a paycheck at the time.
Speaker 2: Yep.
Speaker 1: Yeah, but it's it doesn't escape me that they I
knew they'd immediately go on the attack and they just
start making shit up.
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, he was the greatest man of all time
when he was when you know, they were trying to
get him on. Yeah, but the.
Speaker 1: Watching how quickly. I mean, just look at this guy this,
I mean, just look.
Speaker 2: At his physiognomy. Oh, I know, he's a fucking chad beam.
He is.
Speaker 1: I mean, I mean he he runs, and people are
going to listen, and especially if he runs as somebody
who is and I know people are listening to this
and thinking, I'm in cope mode.
Speaker 2: I don't know that the guy is going to run.
Speaker 1: I'm just saying, I'm just sure, thinking out loud, saying
he probably won't. He'd fucking be stupid to run.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, yeah, no, I think you're right. But you know,
he is the kind of guy that you would be
a good advisor. Yeah, he'd be a good person for
a real position.
Speaker 1: Right, But he is also the kind of guy you'd
want to do that because he's fearless and you know
he's been you really can't call him a pussy considering
like what twelve eleven, you know, eleven deployments into the
heart of Hell. Also Cia, we can't ignore that. But yeah,
I mean that's the kind of vibe that I'm getting,
is that this, this wasp faction that is clearly clearly
fighting back against this is looking for their.
Speaker 2: Guy for twenty twenty eight.
Speaker 1: Yes, And the fact that he drops that letter and
then the next thing he does is fly to Tucker. Yeah,
exactly as Tucker said, we spent the last twenty four
hours together. I mean that means that he wrote a
letter and flew to Tucker, and Tucker is and I'm
as we're recording this, I'm orn Headsucker on too.
Speaker 2: Eh.
Speaker 1: Yeah, And apparently Tucker is just completely just like it's
the Jews, wild is saying, calling calling Plan trusters idiots. Yeah,
you know, And so yeah, I think there's something afoot,
probably wrong wrong. Often That's why I don't like to
make predictions, because my predictions are are never that great.
But there's somebody that they're I'm I'm pretty positive that
there's going to be somebody that they're going to run
as the anti Israel candidate, and it's going to be
it's going to be from the right. And I think
that that's they're looking for them right now, and it
wouldn't be too surprised if they're asking him about it.
Speaker 2: No, I think you're right, and even if it's even
if it's just in the primaries, just to talk about it,
just to try to gauge sentiment, just to try to
get something, you know, get something out there and try
to try try to move the needle. Yeah, it's it's crazy. Well,
I know I'll be listening to that Tucker article, excuse me,
that Tucker interview with oron when I'm in the car
this afternoon going to see some of the boys so.
Speaker 1: Awesome, and I will be listening to it as soon
as we disconnect.
Speaker 2: So tell everybody where they can find your work, all right,
Thanks Pete, this was super fun. You can find me
at Carldall dot substack dot com. That's the best place
I am cowdio doll on x, although I don't post
a lot anymore because it's just the worst platform of
all time. Pete is very wise to to have tapered
that off.
Speaker 1: So well, I mean completely not posting for lent, that's
for sure. And I'm very seriously considering not going back
because you know, my thought was always I have a show.
If I want to build, you know, if I want
to build a brand, if I want to have an audience,
if I want people to listen to what I have
to say, I should be out there promoting it. Yeah,
and my subscription My subscription rate has gone up over
ten percent since I got off of Wow, since I
got off of social media.
Speaker 2: You know, it's interesting. I recently monetized my substack just
because I've been doing so much for it and I
had people like asking me to for some time, so
I finally went for it. I consulted with Burden a
bit on the topic, and yeah, I have I have
a fair amount of subscriptions coming in there. And it
has nothing to do with X, Like promoting it on
X barely moves the need. Substack is a very robust platform,
and that's good. I mean, I'm glad that, you know,
we have more opportunity to speak on X, but I
feel like it's a The medium is the message, so
you know, you know, putting more effort elsewhere is better.
You're one hundred percent familiar with dead internet theory, right, absolutely, Okay, Yeah,
I mean it's going to hit a platform at some point. Yeah,
and you know, it's what I'm seeing on there to
prolong the point and kind of tie back in. I
am seeing post October twenty twenty three accounts, account creation
dates pushing propaganda angles that are following a hasbur a
template that I first identified in twenty seventeen. I first
parsed and figured out on GAB in twenty seventeen. And
they're doing the same thing again, like no effort, no
effort whatsoever to hide it. It's just the same crap,
and it's it's bots being serviced by you know, people
you know in a bunker with little hats, or someone
who's like pooping themselves in you know, some hell hole,
et cetera. Or it's just straight AI nonsense. And yeah,
it's not worth engaging with. It's not worth talking to
people that aren't like your pal one hundred percent.
Speaker 1: Man, all right, I'll make sure to link to everything
for you. Thanks, sir, It was good talking to you. Yeah,
great talking to you, man. Happy Friday.
Speaker 2: Happy Friday,