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Speaker 1: We're Tom Lorenzo.

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Speaker 2: And this is the Pop Style Opinion Fest. Hello kitt Is,

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Welcome back to another edition of the p s O.

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I am the Tea and you're te Low Tom Fitzgerald,

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and I'm here with the Low and your t lot Lorenzo,

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my cousin, my lovely husband. It is Saint Patrick's stay,

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I know, exciting and the Fitzgerald.

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Speaker 1: Anywhere in your US Guinness shirt, Guiness T shirtlan.

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Speaker 2: Soda bread in the oven. And you know, we're just

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doing our thing. I'm not doing every year brownless time.

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I usually make a Guinness steal and I didn't deal

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it this year because number one, your vegetarian. Number two,

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for various reasons, we've been eating a lot of ritz

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food lately. And number three, the last time I looked

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at stew meat, my god, it was insanely expensive. So

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I was like, you know what, it's just not worth

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it for me.

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Speaker 1: I know, potatoes for you.

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Speaker 2: No, I'm not even like I'm kind of on a

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cleanse right now. I'm just doing soup for the next

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vegetable soup for the next couple of days. We just

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had a lot of a lot of junkie food. There

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was a funeral a couple of weeks ago, and that's always.

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It was an Italian funeral, so far.

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Speaker 1: Forgot to buy Irish potatoes.

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Speaker 2: People don't know what that is.

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Speaker 1: Google it, google it.

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Speaker 2: Irish potatoes are a Philadelphia candy made out of cream,

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cheese and confection of sugar and coconut that has rolled

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into little balls and then those little balls are rolled

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in cinnamon and they're dentating, given little irregular shapes and

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they look like tiny little potatoes and they are a

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Philadelphia delicacy.

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Speaker 1: They are amazing. I buy them every year and I

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forgot to buy them. Let's seeing. But yeah, I was

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just looking at my picture, our picture pictures Island pictures.

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Of course, you know, we had such a wonderful time

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we did.

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Speaker 2: We went to Ireland in November and that was for

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a wedding.

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Speaker 1: And a beautiful castle and anyway, I was just looking

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at the pictures and we we had a wonderful time

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and I can't say, you know how friendly and nice

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people were there, Just very very nice people. Anyway, So yeah, so.

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Speaker 2: Happy Saint Patrick's David. Everyone Irish or not Irish or

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honorary Irish, as we say, we have much to discuss,

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a little bit of fashion, a little bit of pop culture,

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and a little bit of television. So we're really like

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living up to that Pop Style Opinion best name. We

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are in the back half of this podcast going to

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run through the latest two episodes of Severance or the

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latest episodes of Severance and the White Lotus, and Lorenzo

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actually has a little TikTok story to get to which

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we're not.

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Speaker 1: Yeah.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, But before we do any of that, I wanted

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to do just a few minutes on Donna Tella Bversace

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because shocking it was a noow, I don't know how

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shocking it is. She's almost seventy. It was announced that

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she would be stepping down as the creative director of

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Brasace after twenty eight years I believe. Yeah, ninety seven

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was when Gianni was killed.

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Speaker 1: Wow.

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Speaker 2: You remember that, I do, because I remember exactly where

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I lived. I was living with a roommate at the

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time I was dating you.

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Speaker 1: Wow.

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Speaker 2: Yeah. Anyway, so I just thought, you know, we don't

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talk about fashion all that much on this Pop Style

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Opinion for or not as much as I would like.

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And she is a pop culture figure, which is kind

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of what I wanted to do here was talk about,

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but just give a little tribute to our Donna Tella

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after twenty eight years. I'll talk to you in a minute.

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For me, I think it's worth noting that she, I mean,

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the Versace House of VERSACEI was always a family business.

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It was her and Johnny, and there's another brother involved

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as well. And you know, she was always involved in

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the business aspect of it and tangentially apparently tangentially involved

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in the creative aspect of it because she was literally

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Rihanni's muse. It's very cool.

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Speaker 1: They were very close.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, and it's very clear when you look at the

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the Versace aesthetic of the nineties, like Donna Tella was

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all over that. She was inspiring that completely. I think

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fashion because you know, very few people took over a

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house because the house, you know, the person who established

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the house was killed and not just that, but was

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her brother. And I think there was at you know,

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there was an unusual level of emotional resonance in her

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rising to the top of this company. I mean, she

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was already at the top of it. It's not like

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she was a secretary or something before he died. And

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for me, I think it's interesting because I've been following

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fashion long enough to know that nobody really believed she

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was going to manage it, right, I mean, do you

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agree with me back then that you know nobody thought

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she was going to be able to take over that company?

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Speaker 1: Now I watched if you if you watch there, there's

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a great I feel like fashion. There's a great documentary.

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only place you can find called Catwalk. It's a great

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documentary about fashion week in Europe with the amazing Christine

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Christy Turleton model anyway, so it's a great documentary and

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it shows a lot of versacea the show and all

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the supermodels and all that, and it shows her with

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him do not Tell vers with her brother, and you

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can see the relationship they had, like and she's very shy.

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entire thing, like listening to him and doing everything he's

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telling her to do, telling her yeah, just just you know.

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no choice.

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Speaker 2: I think that's admirable.

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Speaker 1: How yes sapped up that when he died, nobody believed

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her that she could, you know, believed in her that

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she could uh take over right and continue with the

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with the amazing brand. I mean, whether you like it

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or not, if you think it's techy or whatever, that's

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that's a I think a lot.

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Speaker 2: Of the whole different story feel that Versace the brand

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lost something and that it never got that right. And

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that's fair. I mean, that's fair. He's the founder. He

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established that aesthetic. I don't think any person I mean,

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you know, I know she was a Nazi and everything,

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but Chanell lost something when Coco stepped down there the

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people found Yeah, that's just it. There's it's a singular

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vision up until that point, and then it stops being

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that person's vision.

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Speaker 1: I was crushed when you you you know, she stepped down.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, there's a lot of people stepping down right now.

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Speaker 1: I mean mutual product because it was so pacific her work, right,

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and then when you invite other people to take over

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as the creative director of a brand, they bring their

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own DNA no matter what. Yeah, I mean, look at

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what happened with the Gucci and now what's happening with Valentino.

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Speaker 2: Or Caroline Herrera.

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Speaker 1: Yes, I mean they just change. I mean Oscar Dolente.

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Speaker 2: And Donna Karen got ran into the ground after she

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Speaker 1: So and Versace say what you want about VERSACEI but

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a lot of things like I don't know if you

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remember the very famous before even Jennifer Lopez, I believe

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the famous black Versace dress that Elizabeth Harley.

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Speaker 2: That was when Gioannny was alive. Yeah, that's a safety

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pin dress.

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Speaker 1: Everyone nobody knew who she was, and all of a sudden,

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she was like who is this woman? And he was,

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you know, this incredible dress that she wore. And then

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Speaker 2: But that was Donna Talla, right, Yeah, focusing on Donna Tella,

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like the safety pin dress and how how Johnny made

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fashion or he was one of the people who made

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fashion into a pop culture you know happening. And my

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point is that I feel like Donna Tella took that

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and ran with it to a level he never even

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accomplished in his lifestyle. I know it's not fair to

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make these comparisons because of course his work was cut short.

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And I do believe that he was the greater designer,

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I really don't think Donna Tella was painting things to

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dress forms and sketching things by hand. She was a

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creative director. She walked through and said yes or no

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to the decisions that other people were made.

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Speaker 1: Most most of them do it.

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Speaker 2: That's what most of them do at a certain level. Anyway.

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It's not like Michael Core's is painting things up. No,

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or Mark Jacobs or Tom Brown, any.

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Speaker 1: Of them, My god, please. Yeah, the time when you

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Speaker 2: Thirty years in the past.

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Speaker 1: That doesn't happen anymore.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, So what we're talking about is is not so

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much her skill as a designer, because I don't think

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anyone really knows how much she was involved in any

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of that. It's basically her skill as a figurehead as

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a leader of the company. She and one of the

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things that I think is interesting. Of course, Gianni was

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known for his use of supermodels, and he was known

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for the uh, you know, the safety pin dress. So

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I'm not taking anything away from his ability to create

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these women's wear moments that were, you know, like lightning bolts. However,

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when I think of nineties Versace, I think of that

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as such a gay male aesthetic. It defined the gay

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male socialistetic.

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Speaker 1: In the nineties.

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Speaker 2: Every guy was out on the dance floor ripping off

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their imitation Versace shirts. Yeah it's not their real ones.

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Speaker 1: That was the look.

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Speaker 2: That silk shirt with that black and gold versages. God, yes,

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every homo had that shirt. And when it's not that

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he wasn't you know, he was known for women's Princess

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woman's company. She turned it into a company that had

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a woman's point of view at its head, and she

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so many celebrity women are just in awe and in

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love with Donna, Tella and Hathaway, Lady Gaga. They just

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adore her, And I don't think Gianni was ever going

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to be capable of that kind of image. I think

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it's interesting how it went from this gay male company

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to this very woman centered company.

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Speaker 1: I think it's fantastic. Uh, it's a fantastic combination. Also,

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she adore entertainment, the entertainment industry she did. She adored

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actors and musicians and everybody, and it was the perfect match.

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It was because she dressed so many people and so

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many people loved her fashion. I think it's fantastic. It's

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same thing in a way with Dosha Gabana in a way.

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I mean, it's a fantastic brand.

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Speaker 2: It's perfect for celebrities, perfect for.

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Speaker 1: Brand for celebrity. It's a shame that they're terrible people.

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They're terrible people. It looks it feels like they have

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learned something because they've been very quiet after what happened.

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But still, but it is one of those brands you know,

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like do Chigaban and Versace, that it's still family. It's

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still representing a very specific part of the world, you know, Italy,

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very Italian. Just fantastic.

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Speaker 2: So I feel like with Donna tell Is stepping down,

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I do feel like fashion is losing something. First out,

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there are not many superstar female designers heading houses. They're

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just aren't it. We're moving into exees me into a

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very male oriented fashion period, which is a damn shame,

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and I'm not sure we're likely to see the creative

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director as celebrity reached that same level. I mean, the

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last one was probably Carl Lagerfeld. I would think that

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Dona Talla was a bigger celebrity than even carllographer. I mean,

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Lady Goga wrote a song.

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Speaker 1: The thing is that I'm gonna be very honest about

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fashion here.

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Speaker 2: I think I wish there was as if you haven't

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been I know now he's been holding his cards close

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to his I wish there.

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Speaker 1: Was the perfect combo between queer people and and straight

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women in fashion, because I feel like some women, uh designers,

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they just don't have Oh honey, what no listen, no

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let me. I'm just saying some some are very interesting.

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creative the creativity is not up there as with some

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queer man. But at the same time, I feel that

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some queer designers are just way I don't understand what

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they don't understand what women want right, they're designing for

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themselves in a way. So I wish there was a

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perfect combo of these two.

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Speaker 2: Where Donna Talla and were working by side.

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Speaker 1: It was that's what I'm saying. I'm not saying that

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the women don't know how to design for room with

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this now what I said. What I'm saying is that

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sometimes I feel like they're a little too safe in

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a way, and then I wish they had a little

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more spice. But at the same time, I feel like

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the queer designers have too much spice. They're too much

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and and it's sometimes I don't feel like women want

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to wear that.

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Speaker 2: Right. Well, Donna Tella had that spice. I think definitely.

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I think the fashional world was losing something when she said.

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Speaker 1: Actually we actually uh, I wouldn't see met her, but

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we saw her in person, yes, And I.

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Speaker 2: Was wondering if we were going to tell that story.

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This was a long, long, long, long long time ago

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in our very early in our blocking careers. In fact,

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I'm pretty sure it was before we were professional, before

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we were professional. It was the age of you know,

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it was the oughts, and a lot of fashion houses

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were really reaching out to bloggers because we were like

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this a freaking big deal at the time, bloggers, And

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it seems crazy now, it seems both of these facts

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seemed crazy. Dulching Obana once gifted us with wallets.

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Speaker 1: Remember that Mark, the Mark Schaikas people invited us to

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a specific event, and uh, and and the Donna Tella people,

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the Varsace people invited.

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Speaker 2: It right we were we Mark Jacobs people invited us

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to do the Out Magazine party, to go to the

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Out Magazine party, and Donna Tella's or the Versace people

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invited us to go to the Whitney gala, the Whitney

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Museum gun which at the time, I don't think it

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really is anymore. It was a really star stud at gala,

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not at the level of the met gala. It's not

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It wasn't that formal. It wasn't that dressy at all.

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Speaker 1: And the uh do Chagabana people, Uh, they loved what

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we did at the time, and they sent us a

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wallet with with with Toma Lorenzo. Yeah, and I on it. Yeah.

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Speaker 2: This was all before we were pro and I wouldn't

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really accepted that stuff now. And actually that Whitney a

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gala thing that we went to, it was the last

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time we did anything like that because we both were like,

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you know what, this is not where I want to

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it's not what I want to be because you're I

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just tell a story. We saw a Starlett who was

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famous for having substance abuse problems. We saw her air

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kissing Donatella actually, but then we saw her stumble out

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into the street with some guy, and it was I

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was like, yeah, I don't think I want to see this.

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I just I'm not I'm not I'm not Perez Hilton.

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I'm not someone who wants to hang out with these people.

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I will say that this Starlett is doing well now,

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so that's all I'll say. But at the time, and

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I've told the story before, which I've named her in

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the past, but I don't feel like it's right now. Anyway,

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it was, yeah, we saw her air kissing Dona Tella.

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We saw Dona Tella sitting just a pet pet and

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you you were like, oh my god, well yeah, because

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well because we were starfuckers at the time. This was

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fifteen years.

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Speaker 1: And also it was a moment. I remember all the

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news talking about these two meeting oh and getting photographed

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and I and we were right there next to them.

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That's you know, that's the whole thing. And it's interesting

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because you're there, you're sort of pared of the moment

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and you see how things are played out.

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Speaker 2: I mean, we got to see a lot of celebrities

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in a room where there weren't many non celebrities, so

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they were kind of relaxed around each other. And that

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the biggest reason why I never wanted to go back

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to that is, Well, first off, I've never been big

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on running up to celebrities and telling them. I just

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don't do that right. And this is going to move

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into our next conversation about your TikTok thing about running

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up to celebrities and bothering them. And I have also

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never never You might find this hard to believe. I've

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never wanted to be friends with celebrity or anything like that.

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I never wanted to be invited to their parties or

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anything like that. Someone said that about us about the

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Vanity Fair Oscar party YouTube would kill the go and

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I'm like, no, no, I would not. I would not

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kill to go to that party because you know what,

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I wouldn't know anyone, so I'd be like in a

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freaking corner, feeling under dressed.

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Speaker 1: We went to a we went to a Donna Karen

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party and there were a lot of celebrities there.

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Speaker 2: But that was in just there were a lot of

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passions now.

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Speaker 1: But my point is that it feels a little uh,

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I don't know, it feels a little weird to be

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in environment like that because I don't know, uh, you know,

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you're not really part of it. But at the same time,

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you feel like you don't want to. I don't know,

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ask Kis Tima, I don't know. I just it's it's

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a weird situation. I don't mind. When we attended a

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ton of fashion shows and we were sitting next to

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celebrities because you're there to talk about the show, talk

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about the fashions and the runway show, so sitting next

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to them, he didn't bother me much. But sometimes you

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feel like, all right, I'm not part of this.

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Speaker 2: So yeah, all right, that is all of our fashion talk.

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Child Anna Tala, you did a wonderful job. And we'll

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take a short break care and we'll be right back.

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We're back, and Lorenzo has a TikTok tale that he

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wants to tell you.

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Speaker 1: Lorenzo go, it's just funny thing that happened, because it

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was all over TikTok and some publications. We're talking about

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it is that Scarlott. Johansson gave an interview she had

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a whole thing for we posted on our site for

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Insig magazine. She was in cover of the magazine and

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she gave an interview about talking about a lot of things,

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but one of the things she discussed was that she

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doesn't like to be photographed with fans. She doesn't like

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to take photos with fans. And it was funny because

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she kept saying it really fans a lot of people

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when I say that that I don't like to have

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my picture taken with fans. In her quote, I thought

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it was hysterical actually, because she says, I to I

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don't want to be identified as being in this time

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and place with you. I'm doing my own thing, And

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I thought it was funny. I'm actually going to use

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that line when people ask me to invite me to something.

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I'm just going to say, I don't want to be

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identified as being this time and place with you. I

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just thought it was a funny way to put it.

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But you know, I don't disagree with her. The whole

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thing with taking pictures with celebrities. I never understood. Like

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I said, and Tom said, we attended. We have attended

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a ton of events with a bunch of celebrities, like

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fashion Week, we sat next to them and behind them

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or something, and I never felt the need to take

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pictures with them or have my picture taken or whatever

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asked to have a selfie, because that's the thing people do.

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Speaker 2: Know.

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Speaker 1: I don't know, it's just not my thing. I always

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feel like I'm just, i know, taking their time, you know,

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in a way. I don't know how you feel about it,

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but that's how.

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Speaker 2: I Yeah, I felt the same way. And you thought

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it was kind of funny, but I thought she was

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being perfectly reasonable. I thought it was a reasonable quote.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, well, the thing And when when celebrities say stuff

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like that that they didn't want to have their picture

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taken immediately, people always feel like, you know, but you

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why are your celebrity? Then? You know, why are you?

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Why do you do what you do? If you know

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the fans are going to ask for a picture. I

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can understand that. I can understand situations where I don't know,

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I'm not famous. We're not famous, but we've been in

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you know, we have experienced situations where we were actually

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in Europe and people recognize us and and and came

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up to us and said hi, And usually this is

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what I do. And I wish celebrities would do that

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more often, But I guess it's me happening once in

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a lifetime, once once a year, and then and happened

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to them like every five seconds. I usually come up

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to the person. I say, do you want Do you

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want a picture? Can I? Or you? Or even I?

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Sometimes I say can I have your picture? Can I

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have can I take a picture with you? Just to

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make things easy for them, uh, and less uncomfortable for everybody.

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But I guess celebrities have to deal with that all

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the time, so they can't say that all the time,

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you know, to everybody they see or me, do you

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want a picture? You know? Uh, you know, go ahead

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and volunteer to have the picture taken, as opposed to

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wait until they ask for it. But I don't know.

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I just feel it's it's a tough situation because I

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understand as a fan, you're a fan of that person,

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and and then you know, you get crushed no matter what.

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If you know, if you want to have your picture

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taken with that person and that person turns you down.

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I understand that you feel uncomfortable with the whole thing.

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So so, But at the same time, celebrities have to

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deal with that all the time, and I do feel

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like sometimes celebrities are just want to They just want

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to have their time, you know, with their family or

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or doing whatever they're doing and not be bothered by fans.

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So anyway, I just thought it was funny the way

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she phrased it right, that she doesn't want to be

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identified as being in this time and place with you,

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which is funny way to stay.

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Speaker 2: I agree with her. I'm with her on that one. Anyway.

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Speaker 1: Is that it yeah, yeah, yeah, just because everyone was

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talking about it. And of course when when a celebrity

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says something like that, you know, people are kind of

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divided and they always defend and the celebrity or they

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they say, you know, oh, but you were an actor,

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you know, you know, you shouldn't be famous if you

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don't want to have your picture taking blah blah blah

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type of thing.

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Speaker 2: Before we take a break, because we're gonna come back

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and we're going to talk about the White Lotus and

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severans and that's going to be a spoiler filled conversation.

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You wanted to make a recommendation for another Netflix.

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Speaker 1: Yes, everyone is talking about. I actually had seen the

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screeners and and I was like, well, this is gonna

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be good. It's it's a show called adolescence on Netflix.

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It's actually a very interesting show. It's about a kid

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being accused of killing his classmate. So is the whole

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story about him getting arrested and dealing with the family

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and and he's a kid in prison. And it's a

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very interesting show. Uh, it's hard to watch. It took

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me a while to finish the first episode because I

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kept stopping it. Also, I don't know if I can

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watch this. It's tough because it's a kid. But it's

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really really good.

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Speaker 2: Uh.

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Speaker 1: Everyone is talking about how great the kid is. It's

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his first job acting, but he does a phenomenal job,

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and it deals with everything like being bullied at you know,

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as school and social media and uh, you know, all

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the all the issues that a kid go through these days,

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and not excusing anyone for killing anyone if in fact

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you did. I don't want to give any spoiler here,

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but the whole thing how you raise kids these days,

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and with social media and all that, the pressure to

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act a certain way as a boy, as a little boy,

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you know, Uh, so it's it's it's an interesting show.

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It's a very interesting show, and I highly recommend it.

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It will be tough to watch for some people, but

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if you can, you know, handle the material, I highly

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recommend it. So it's called Adolescents Netflix Excellent.

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Speaker 2: All right, we'll be right back. We're going to take

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a short break and then we're going to dive into

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those two episodes, those episodes of the White Lotus and Severance.

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We'll be right back. We're back now. We're going to

476
00:24:12,720 --> 00:24:17,839
dive into Severance, which this is the penultimate episode of

477
00:24:17,880 --> 00:24:21,559
season two, which we'll be leading into the finale next week,

478
00:24:21,599 --> 00:24:26,880
which is supposedly seventy six minutes long. And when the

479
00:24:27,240 --> 00:24:29,720
finale for the first season aired, I think it was

480
00:24:29,720 --> 00:24:32,599
what was at twenty twenty two, I said it was

481
00:24:33,759 --> 00:24:35,880
the best season finale in like ten years we had

482
00:24:35,880 --> 00:24:38,720
seen in like ten years, And so for me, the

483
00:24:38,799 --> 00:24:41,880
show has a lot to live up to in next

484
00:24:41,880 --> 00:24:47,599
week's finale. This episode, I it's really interesting to me

485
00:24:47,920 --> 00:24:50,720
to read online reactions to Severance, because there was a

486
00:24:50,759 --> 00:24:53,599
certain level of fandom for the show that has a

487
00:24:53,720 --> 00:24:58,680
completely opposite reaction to everything that I am more and

488
00:24:58,799 --> 00:25:01,559
more and more and more, actually, more and more, I

489
00:25:01,599 --> 00:25:05,319
think they're wrong. There's a certain segment of viewers that

490
00:25:05,359 --> 00:25:09,240
thinks this is all about figuring out puzzles and getting answers,

491
00:25:09,279 --> 00:25:11,720
and if they don't get answers in a timely manner,

492
00:25:12,079 --> 00:25:14,160
or they don't get the answer that they wanted to get,

493
00:25:14,440 --> 00:25:18,480
they start getting complaining about it. These last two episodes.

494
00:25:18,559 --> 00:25:21,359
Last week was the Gemma specific episode and this week,

495
00:25:21,359 --> 00:25:23,759
oh no, I'm sorry. Last week was Miss Cobel's episode,

496
00:25:23,839 --> 00:25:30,079
the week before that was Gemma, And I think people

497
00:25:30,119 --> 00:25:33,079
are getting very frustrated because the show is taking time

498
00:25:33,200 --> 00:25:35,880
to fill in things, to tell backstories, to tell you

499
00:25:36,039 --> 00:25:39,960
what's going on, what led to all of the what's

500
00:25:40,000 --> 00:25:44,599
happening right now? You said something, We're going to run

501
00:25:44,640 --> 00:25:47,119
through the entire episode. You said something before we flipped

502
00:25:47,160 --> 00:25:48,799
on the mics, and you said, your biggest problem with

503
00:25:48,799 --> 00:25:50,720
this show is that you have a hard time caring

504
00:25:50,720 --> 00:25:51,720
about any of the characters.

505
00:25:51,720 --> 00:25:55,559
Speaker 1: Well, that's my I keep watching every episode as I'm

506
00:25:55,599 --> 00:25:59,720
watching them with you, and I keep watching them and everything.

507
00:25:59,799 --> 00:26:02,039
All I can think while I'm watching is like, I

508
00:26:02,039 --> 00:26:04,319
don't care for any of these people. I'm watching a

509
00:26:04,359 --> 00:26:09,319
beautiful show. I'm watching a great show to a certain extent.

510
00:26:10,359 --> 00:26:16,039
Beautiful cinematography's gorges, the music is excellent, very contemporary take

511
00:26:16,079 --> 00:26:17,680
on a show. But at the same time, I don't

512
00:26:17,680 --> 00:26:19,960
care about any of these people, and that's a flaw.

513
00:26:20,119 --> 00:26:23,319
I think that I really don't care about any one

514
00:26:23,319 --> 00:26:23,599
of them.

515
00:26:23,960 --> 00:26:27,599
Speaker 2: I cannot say that I agree with you on this.

516
00:26:29,319 --> 00:26:34,759
I thought, for instance, in this episode. Now I'll say this,

517
00:26:35,319 --> 00:26:37,880
up until a certain point on this show, I agree

518
00:26:37,880 --> 00:26:40,240
with you. It's been a little too cold, a little

519
00:26:40,279 --> 00:26:43,000
too not giving us. And I complained about that earlier

520
00:26:43,000 --> 00:26:45,279
in the season, where I felt like the show was

521
00:26:45,319 --> 00:26:48,640
so up its own ass wanting to have all these

522
00:26:48,640 --> 00:26:52,680
weird moments that it wasn't giving you human moments. And

523
00:26:52,720 --> 00:26:55,319
I feel like this episode was actually the one where

524
00:26:56,160 --> 00:26:58,640
everyone was acting like a human being. I thought Bert

525
00:26:58,720 --> 00:27:02,000
and Irvings goodbye scene was heartbreaking. I thought it was

526
00:27:02,039 --> 00:27:04,519
beautifully acted by both actors, and it made me care

527
00:27:04,599 --> 00:27:09,599
for both of those men. I thought Gretchen breaking up

528
00:27:09,599 --> 00:27:13,440
with her any husband was also really really sad, and

529
00:27:13,599 --> 00:27:16,160
I thought both of them, Merrit wait Weaver and Zach

530
00:27:16,240 --> 00:27:18,720
Terry just acted the hell out of that scene. It

531
00:27:18,759 --> 00:27:24,240
was absolutely heartbreaking to watch and to me, that is

532
00:27:24,319 --> 00:27:27,559
when the show is interesting. I don't give a shit

533
00:27:27,640 --> 00:27:30,400
about the goats. I don't give a shit about the numbers,

534
00:27:30,440 --> 00:27:32,519
and frankly, I know it's important, but I don't give

535
00:27:32,519 --> 00:27:35,599
a shit about Cold Harbor. I know it is important,

536
00:27:35,799 --> 00:27:39,079
but as long as I'm getting human stories, I don't

537
00:27:39,079 --> 00:27:42,400
really give a shit about all of these mysteries and

538
00:27:42,480 --> 00:27:45,559
puzzles that people want to have answered. I do.

539
00:27:45,640 --> 00:27:51,400
Speaker 1: I feel like I'm watching great actors performing beautifully with

540
00:27:51,480 --> 00:27:53,680
a material that is just verything.

541
00:27:53,759 --> 00:27:55,720
Speaker 2: That's scene with Burton Irving was touching.

542
00:27:55,960 --> 00:27:59,559
Speaker 1: Yes, yes, but it's like but it's like moments.

543
00:27:59,279 --> 00:28:01,559
Speaker 2: Well that I'll get there's not a lot of flow.

544
00:28:01,720 --> 00:28:03,039
Speaker 1: Right exactly, and.

545
00:28:04,440 --> 00:28:10,599
Speaker 2: It's all still issues with pacing. I mean, Mark started

546
00:28:10,640 --> 00:28:14,599
reintegrating like five episodes ago, and we're still not getting answers.

547
00:28:14,720 --> 00:28:16,839
And not only that, but I feel like they're walking

548
00:28:16,960 --> 00:28:20,319
back into grat I mean, the whole point of integration

549
00:28:20,519 --> 00:28:22,279
was that we were going to they were going to

550
00:28:22,839 --> 00:28:25,720
literally that's why it's called integration, integrate that the any

551
00:28:25,759 --> 00:28:28,079
and the abbey, so that they would become one personality.

552
00:28:28,119 --> 00:28:29,200
But that has not happened.

553
00:28:29,359 --> 00:28:29,480
Speaker 1: No.

554
00:28:29,920 --> 00:28:33,240
Speaker 2: In fact, this whole episode was about them going to

555
00:28:33,319 --> 00:28:36,920
tremendous lengths to try and get in touch with marx Any,

556
00:28:36,960 --> 00:28:40,720
And I was like, well, what isn't marks Any already integrated?

557
00:28:40,759 --> 00:28:45,000
He's had brain surgery at this point, What was the

558
00:28:45,079 --> 00:28:47,440
point of that? Did that fail? Is he dying? Like

559
00:28:47,480 --> 00:28:50,279
there's a little bit too much of that. I want

560
00:28:50,319 --> 00:28:52,839
to explain a couple of things, because I think the

561
00:28:52,960 --> 00:28:55,799
show isn't great about explaining it, and I did see

562
00:28:55,920 --> 00:28:59,599
some confusion among people. If you're not like following this

563
00:28:59,640 --> 00:29:03,400
shit religiously and like running to Reddit to theorize right it,

564
00:29:04,039 --> 00:29:10,039
you might have missed some things. They Devin, his sister

565
00:29:10,200 --> 00:29:14,720
and Miss Cobell took Mark to a birthing These like

566
00:29:14,759 --> 00:29:17,559
birthing cabins as birthing retreat for women to give birth

567
00:29:18,319 --> 00:29:22,519
and it's a lumin facility. I don't know why Devin

568
00:29:22,799 --> 00:29:25,599
was there. In the first episode, the first two episodes

569
00:29:25,640 --> 00:29:27,720
of the show, she was there. That's where she gave

570
00:29:27,720 --> 00:29:30,359
birth to her baby, and she met a woman who

571
00:29:31,319 --> 00:29:33,799
they got along. They introduced each other, and then she

572
00:29:33,799 --> 00:29:36,319
she met her months later in a park and that

573
00:29:36,359 --> 00:29:39,400
woman did not remember her because and then Devin figured

574
00:29:39,400 --> 00:29:41,599
it out that she had been severed and I had

575
00:29:41,599 --> 00:29:48,440
to remember that. So Miss Cobell and Devin drove Mark

576
00:29:48,519 --> 00:29:51,079
to this place and when they get there, Miss Cobell

577
00:29:51,240 --> 00:29:54,279
says that she has someone she needs a specific cabin

578
00:29:54,319 --> 00:29:55,880
and the woman won't let her in, and the whole

579
00:29:55,880 --> 00:30:01,839
facility is lumen and she says, I have one of James's.

580
00:30:02,200 --> 00:30:05,119
It's no one is to know James Egan or Jame

581
00:30:05,319 --> 00:30:09,200
Egan is Helena's father, that creepy old man. So the

582
00:30:09,240 --> 00:30:14,720
implication there is Jame Egan, like Elon Musk Style, has

583
00:30:14,720 --> 00:30:16,920
sired a lot of children with a lot of different

584
00:30:16,920 --> 00:30:19,160
women who were then sent off to the facility to

585
00:30:19,200 --> 00:30:23,279
give birth and not remember it like it's weird, weird,

586
00:30:23,359 --> 00:30:26,640
weird shit. Anyway, that's what happened there, and the minute

587
00:30:26,680 --> 00:30:30,000
Mark walked in to that cabin, it triggered his any.

588
00:30:30,599 --> 00:30:33,440
I'm only explaining that because someone actually asked me to

589
00:30:33,480 --> 00:30:37,559
explain that I did, and you and you actually to

590
00:30:37,680 --> 00:30:42,359
explain it. And that's what that final scene is, is

591
00:30:42,519 --> 00:30:46,880
him his Any seeing Miss Cobell for the first time

592
00:30:47,039 --> 00:30:50,559
since that party at his sister's house last year. And

593
00:30:50,640 --> 00:30:54,920
there is some parallel parallelism going on there because his

594
00:30:55,119 --> 00:30:57,839
last words at that in that episode, which was the finale,

595
00:30:57,960 --> 00:31:01,839
was she's alive, right, And then when the final words

596
00:31:01,839 --> 00:31:05,759
in this episode were she's alive because mss Coton they

597
00:31:05,799 --> 00:31:07,200
asked him to say, do you remember what you said

598
00:31:07,200 --> 00:31:09,680
the last time you saw her? So we're finally going

599
00:31:09,720 --> 00:31:12,240
to get I don't know what are we going to get?

600
00:31:12,240 --> 00:31:15,640
We already know Jema's alive, so I don't know what

601
00:31:15,720 --> 00:31:18,519
this meeting. They treated it like this big momentous thing,

602
00:31:19,640 --> 00:31:23,319
and I guess getting into some criticisms of the show

603
00:31:24,680 --> 00:31:32,880
this episode in particular, uh so Mark and Devin drive

604
00:31:32,960 --> 00:31:36,200
out into the woods somewhere to meet Miss Kobell and

605
00:31:36,279 --> 00:31:40,400
she shows up and they don't ask her anything of

606
00:31:40,480 --> 00:31:42,319
import They stand around staring at her.

607
00:31:42,440 --> 00:31:44,200
Speaker 1: That's all they do always.

608
00:31:43,759 --> 00:31:49,240
Speaker 2: And I'm sorry, that's just stupid. Don't bring characters together

609
00:31:49,480 --> 00:31:52,279
if you were not ready to have information shared in

610
00:31:52,279 --> 00:31:57,519
the street, can bed Stein, It's like real people would

611
00:31:57,519 --> 00:32:00,319
not be. At one point, Mark did say, what are

612
00:32:00,319 --> 00:32:03,039
we doing here? She's there and we're here, and I

613
00:32:03,079 --> 00:32:06,079
was like, that is the first human thing, yes, I've

614
00:32:06,119 --> 00:32:08,200
heard out of your mouth in a really long time.

615
00:32:10,039 --> 00:32:14,039
And then Miss Cobell says to explain another thing that

616
00:32:14,079 --> 00:32:16,119
happened in that scene that I don't think the show

617
00:32:16,160 --> 00:32:18,519
was very good at explaining. Miss Cobell made him call

618
00:32:18,599 --> 00:32:21,720
mister Miltchick, right. The reason she made him call mister

619
00:32:21,799 --> 00:32:25,160
Miltchick was if mister Miltchik had said, oh, that's fine,

620
00:32:25,160 --> 00:32:26,839
you don't need to come in today, then that means

621
00:32:26,880 --> 00:32:30,839
Cold Harbor was completed and Jemma's dead. Right, That's what

622
00:32:30,839 --> 00:32:31,880
that phone call was for.

623
00:32:32,240 --> 00:32:33,640
Speaker 1: But she doesn't explain it was.

624
00:32:34,039 --> 00:32:36,240
Speaker 2: She doesn't explain any of that. It was to determine

625
00:32:36,240 --> 00:32:42,000
whether Gemma was still alive. Where was I? Oh? So yeah.

626
00:32:42,119 --> 00:32:45,079
They they don't ask her any questions, and then she

627
00:32:45,160 --> 00:32:48,559
tells them we can't go until we go under cover

628
00:32:48,720 --> 00:32:51,200
of night. And then the show goes off and does

629
00:32:51,279 --> 00:32:54,319
other scenes, and then it comes back to them getting

630
00:32:54,359 --> 00:32:56,759
in the truck as the sun is setting, and I'm like,

631
00:32:56,799 --> 00:32:59,559
what the heck? They just stood out in the cold

632
00:32:59,680 --> 00:33:03,440
for hours waiting for the sun to set. That is

633
00:33:03,519 --> 00:33:06,079
not That does not make sense. And it just brought

634
00:33:06,079 --> 00:33:09,279
me right back to that ort bow, the one where

635
00:33:09,279 --> 00:33:12,319
they went out into the cold into that where none

636
00:33:12,359 --> 00:33:15,400
of the staging of that made any sense if you

637
00:33:15,440 --> 00:33:17,920
thought about it. For more than a few seconds. It's like, well,

638
00:33:17,960 --> 00:33:20,200
what they walked irving out into the middle of a lake.

639
00:33:20,319 --> 00:33:25,519
What it's the showcase? And then I did actually laugh

640
00:33:25,680 --> 00:33:28,480
at the final scene where they Mark walks into this

641
00:33:29,039 --> 00:33:34,640
unbelievably satanically ominous room I know, and I'm just like,

642
00:33:34,839 --> 00:33:37,920
it's a birthing cabin. Why would they even have a

643
00:33:38,000 --> 00:33:42,039
room like this in that cabin? It sometimes the need

644
00:33:42,119 --> 00:33:44,799
to be weird to give a visual, and it's sort of.

645
00:33:44,759 --> 00:33:48,799
Speaker 1: Overwhelms They walked into the yellowjackets, nice set.

646
00:33:49,039 --> 00:33:51,920
Speaker 2: It just overwhelmed any common sense in the storytelling. And

647
00:33:51,960 --> 00:33:54,640
then it's like, all right, now you're just being stylish,

648
00:33:54,680 --> 00:33:58,000
you know, and it's not really making any sense. However,

649
00:33:58,160 --> 00:34:01,200
I did enjoy this episode because they're there was constant

650
00:34:01,279 --> 00:34:06,119
movement in the plot because and every single person had

651
00:34:06,279 --> 00:34:10,840
a deeply emotional reaction, except for maybe Helena, although she

652
00:34:11,679 --> 00:34:14,280
I loved her scene with mister Milchick where she reminded

653
00:34:14,360 --> 00:34:16,719
him that you know, he may be her boss, but

654
00:34:16,880 --> 00:34:21,800
outside she's his boss. Ultimately, she's saying, there literally is

655
00:34:21,880 --> 00:34:23,320
nothing you can do to me. You can get mad

656
00:34:23,360 --> 00:34:25,119
at me, you can threaten me, there is nothing I'm

657
00:34:25,119 --> 00:34:26,960
an Egan, there is nothing you can do to me.

658
00:34:28,079 --> 00:34:31,320
Speaker 1: I think the only reason why the show is still standing,

659
00:34:31,840 --> 00:34:34,199
you know, in my opinion is because everyone is a

660
00:34:34,320 --> 00:34:37,480
very good actor and they perform really well. But in

661
00:34:37,519 --> 00:34:40,400
terms of material, I think there's so many holes.

662
00:34:40,639 --> 00:34:42,440
Speaker 2: I don't think there's holes. I just think there's a

663
00:34:42,480 --> 00:34:46,639
lot of pacing problems. I did like mister Miltchick's scene

664
00:34:46,719 --> 00:34:49,679
with I can't remember the other guy who hates mister Drummond,

665
00:34:49,719 --> 00:34:51,440
who hates him so much, where he told him to

666
00:34:51,559 --> 00:34:54,400
devour feculents and it was a fun scene.

667
00:34:54,559 --> 00:34:55,920
Speaker 1: He is a great actor.

668
00:34:56,199 --> 00:34:59,920
Speaker 2: He's great. I think. If you want to talk theme,

669
00:35:00,480 --> 00:35:03,159
I do think there was an on a pretty clear

670
00:35:03,239 --> 00:35:08,119
theme of this in this episode of abuse, starting at

671
00:35:08,159 --> 00:35:10,440
the top and then trickling its way down. Like you

672
00:35:10,519 --> 00:35:15,480
saw Helena eating her Helena who has a clear eating disorder,

673
00:35:15,519 --> 00:35:19,159
because who the fuck eats their egg like that? And

674
00:35:19,199 --> 00:35:21,519
it's a control issue between her and her father. She

675
00:35:21,639 --> 00:35:23,679
is refusing to allow him to tell her how to

676
00:35:23,719 --> 00:35:26,280
eat an egg, and he's being abusive towards her. And

677
00:35:26,320 --> 00:35:30,719
then you see, like you know, mister Miltchik has been

678
00:35:30,840 --> 00:35:33,079
abused by mister Drummond all season long, and then he

679
00:35:33,119 --> 00:35:35,840
takes it out on poor miss Wong right, who in

680
00:35:35,920 --> 00:35:40,280
that scene was just sad and very very cruel. Actually

681
00:35:41,679 --> 00:35:45,000
it's also again the show starts getting into like this

682
00:35:45,119 --> 00:35:47,000
weird ass ship where he makes her put her toy

683
00:35:47,039 --> 00:35:49,079
on the table and then crush it with the head,

684
00:35:49,119 --> 00:35:50,800
and I was like, what, what the come on?

685
00:35:51,000 --> 00:35:52,400
Speaker 1: That's when the show I mean.

686
00:35:52,440 --> 00:35:54,719
Speaker 2: Even nobody eggs like this, even the.

687
00:35:54,679 --> 00:35:56,679
Speaker 1: Egg saying it just went too long. I mean, that's

688
00:35:56,840 --> 00:35:59,039
kind of thing that that I can't stand about the

689
00:35:59,079 --> 00:36:02,719
show is it's creating these things so that people can

690
00:36:02,719 --> 00:36:05,119
talk about, but both they don't mean anything. No, they

691
00:36:05,119 --> 00:36:08,480
don't mean anything, but they get over analyzed. I agree,

692
00:36:09,039 --> 00:36:10,840
and everyone is talking about that.

693
00:36:11,079 --> 00:36:13,760
Speaker 2: Yeah, I think if you think all of this shit

694
00:36:13,880 --> 00:36:16,599
is going to be answered, I'm sorry, it's not going

695
00:36:16,679 --> 00:36:18,639
to be answered in the way you want it to be.

696
00:36:18,639 --> 00:36:21,599
Speaker 1: Because the creators think that it looks good and he's

697
00:36:21,639 --> 00:36:23,480
going to get people to talk. They have said that

698
00:36:23,679 --> 00:36:24,480
many many times.

699
00:36:24,599 --> 00:36:29,000
Speaker 2: Yeah. For instance, here's something when they were in that

700
00:36:29,679 --> 00:36:33,800
uh train station. I noticed it immediately and then I

701
00:36:33,840 --> 00:36:36,679
saw a lot of chatter about it online. Is that

702
00:36:36,719 --> 00:36:38,480
the train Well, first off, that he bought a train

703
00:36:38,519 --> 00:36:40,840
ticket and it was a little literal ticket that gets

704
00:36:40,880 --> 00:36:43,320
ripped off, one of those things which I haven't seen

705
00:36:43,360 --> 00:36:46,000
that done. I'm not even sure I've ever seen that

706
00:36:46,079 --> 00:36:48,559
done in my life. That's how old that is, right.

707
00:36:48,920 --> 00:36:51,360
And then there's if you look in the background of

708
00:36:51,440 --> 00:36:53,920
that train station, it's like women in dresses and men

709
00:36:54,000 --> 00:36:57,960
in fedoras and over coast or thrievecases and everything. It's

710
00:36:58,000 --> 00:37:03,400
not too too obvious, it's not you could get away

711
00:37:03,519 --> 00:37:08,320
with it being not not period that it's just, oh,

712
00:37:08,679 --> 00:37:10,719
there just happens to be some fairly well dressed people

713
00:37:10,719 --> 00:37:12,639
in here, and that is essentially I think, what's going

714
00:37:12,719 --> 00:37:16,039
on there? But of course, oh my god, there's a

715
00:37:16,280 --> 00:37:20,320
time travel. It's a hologram. They're in a simulation, and

716
00:37:20,360 --> 00:37:24,280
I'm like, no, the creators just really liked seeing people

717
00:37:24,440 --> 00:37:27,599
in old style, and that's it. It's the same thing

718
00:37:27,639 --> 00:37:31,000
with the cars. You know, this isn't set in some

719
00:37:31,079 --> 00:37:34,800
weird time period because everybody has an iPhone. It's they

720
00:37:34,880 --> 00:37:36,519
just think it looks like cool.

721
00:37:36,920 --> 00:37:39,199
Speaker 1: Like the damn snow everywhere exactly.

722
00:37:39,320 --> 00:37:41,880
Speaker 2: You can go ahead and knock yourself out, go ahead

723
00:37:41,880 --> 00:37:43,679
and analyze all this stuff. But I don't think any

724
00:37:43,719 --> 00:37:49,639
of it means anything except it looks cool. I'm not

725
00:37:49,800 --> 00:37:51,559
down on the shelve of the way you are. I

726
00:37:51,639 --> 00:37:54,679
actually I think it has improved steadily from what I

727
00:37:54,719 --> 00:37:56,760
thought was a rocky beginning of the season.

728
00:37:56,840 --> 00:38:00,280
Speaker 1: I will give you that, and I agree it getting

729
00:38:00,320 --> 00:38:00,920
better and better.

730
00:38:01,280 --> 00:38:05,880
Speaker 2: But I do think they have jerked around Mark way

731
00:38:05,920 --> 00:38:08,760
too much, Like, let's make this just a little more linear,

732
00:38:08,920 --> 00:38:12,199
let's see the result of his decisions, because he has

733
00:38:12,280 --> 00:38:14,760
been operating on and we still don't have a lot

734
00:38:14,760 --> 00:38:17,320
of answers as to whatever.

735
00:38:17,400 --> 00:38:17,639
Speaker 1: I mean.

736
00:38:17,679 --> 00:38:19,679
Speaker 2: We did get to see him move and speak, so

737
00:38:19,679 --> 00:38:24,159
he's obviously not incapacitated or anything. But I don't know

738
00:38:24,440 --> 00:38:27,639
what was reintegration if Mark is still the same, Like,

739
00:38:27,719 --> 00:38:29,440
what was the point of all of that. You spent

740
00:38:30,159 --> 00:38:33,320
episodes upon episodes on this whole idea and nothing has

741
00:38:33,400 --> 00:38:35,000
changed for Mark. They had to get in touch with

742
00:38:35,039 --> 00:38:36,679
his any whatever.

743
00:38:37,159 --> 00:38:38,480
Speaker 1: Yeah, h do you.

744
00:38:38,400 --> 00:38:39,400
Speaker 2: Have anything else say about that?

745
00:38:39,599 --> 00:38:42,320
Speaker 1: No, it's like I said, I'm watching it because I

746
00:38:42,320 --> 00:38:45,480
think it looks pretty. I think the actors are amazing,

747
00:38:45,639 --> 00:38:48,159
and every now and then there's a scene that you're like, Wow,

748
00:38:48,199 --> 00:38:50,039
these actors are fucking amazing.

749
00:38:50,119 --> 00:38:52,280
Speaker 2: I think these last three episodes have been great.

750
00:38:52,119 --> 00:38:55,840
Speaker 1: And that's it. But in terms of like, you know,

751
00:38:55,480 --> 00:38:58,519
if you're gonna die or if you're gonna you know,

752
00:38:58,599 --> 00:39:01,320
see your wife again, you don't give a damn about

753
00:39:01,360 --> 00:39:02,280
any of that anymore.

754
00:39:02,679 --> 00:39:03,599
Speaker 2: Oh that's a shame.

755
00:39:03,800 --> 00:39:04,760
Speaker 1: Yeah, I do.

756
00:39:05,000 --> 00:39:06,760
Speaker 2: I kind of see. I mean, I want to know

757
00:39:06,800 --> 00:39:09,679
where the hell Bird's going, I mean, Irving is going.

758
00:39:09,760 --> 00:39:11,840
I hope he's not written out at this point.

759
00:39:11,840 --> 00:39:13,880
Speaker 1: I think I think that, as you said, they could

760
00:39:13,880 --> 00:39:18,440
have explored so much more, like Dylan, the character Dylan,

761
00:39:18,480 --> 00:39:20,480
for example, I think I love him. I think he's

762
00:39:20,519 --> 00:39:21,440
such an amazing character.

763
00:39:21,480 --> 00:39:23,800
Speaker 2: I think he's gone now. I know, I'm not hard

764
00:39:23,920 --> 00:39:24,360
to believe.

765
00:39:24,480 --> 00:39:28,000
Speaker 1: No, but I don't think they give him enough. And

766
00:39:28,280 --> 00:39:31,599
his wife is amazing, you know, like everyone is great

767
00:39:33,000 --> 00:39:38,320
given their best. Um like her character what's her name, merritt? Uh,

768
00:39:39,519 --> 00:39:42,679
she's amazing, man Like, she barely speaks and she's like

769
00:39:42,800 --> 00:39:47,880
so powerful, wonderful to watch. But at the same time,

770
00:39:47,880 --> 00:39:50,159
it's like, all right, give her material, give these people

771
00:39:50,199 --> 00:39:50,719
some material.

772
00:39:50,760 --> 00:39:53,440
Speaker 2: The Yeah, I'm not feeling that. I think she did

773
00:39:53,440 --> 00:39:55,480
a beautiful job in that scene where she had a saygodbye.

774
00:39:55,639 --> 00:39:57,960
Speaker 1: Well, that's that's the key here. That's the point here.

775
00:39:58,039 --> 00:40:00,719
They do a beautiful job with whatever they get.

776
00:40:02,079 --> 00:40:04,280
Speaker 2: All Right, I believe we have run that one into

777
00:40:04,320 --> 00:40:04,719
the ground.

778
00:40:04,800 --> 00:40:07,800
Speaker 1: But there's one more episode in ten more seasons coming.

779
00:40:07,840 --> 00:40:08,480
I guess, I don't know.

780
00:40:08,559 --> 00:40:10,760
Speaker 2: I don't know how many there are, all right, moving

781
00:40:10,800 --> 00:40:14,039
on to the White Lotus, I think now I'm the

782
00:40:14,039 --> 00:40:15,639
one that's going to be doing a lot of complaining.

783
00:40:15,719 --> 00:40:18,079
I saw a lot of people who really loved this episode.

784
00:40:18,119 --> 00:40:22,239
It was the full moon party where everybody just got

785
00:40:22,239 --> 00:40:27,559
their freak on, and I mean it was fun to

786
00:40:27,679 --> 00:40:30,079
watch up to a certain point, but I felt like

787
00:40:30,119 --> 00:40:32,079
every scene was going on way too long. I mean,

788
00:40:32,719 --> 00:40:36,719
I don't know, I I guess I'm just not that

789
00:40:36,880 --> 00:40:41,440
interested watching people party. That's just not interesting to watch

790
00:40:42,480 --> 00:40:46,000
for extended lengths of time. And we had, you know,

791
00:40:46,079 --> 00:40:49,199
the three girlfriends who all can't stand each other. They're

792
00:40:49,239 --> 00:40:52,280
out in a nightclub with those guys, and then we

793
00:40:52,400 --> 00:40:55,519
have the two brothers hanging out with the two women

794
00:40:55,639 --> 00:40:58,039
and they're partying on a boat and doing drugs and

795
00:40:58,079 --> 00:41:01,000
all this stuff. And that's fine. I'm not believe me,

796
00:41:01,039 --> 00:41:03,679
I am completely not scandalized by any of these scenes.

797
00:41:03,800 --> 00:41:05,800
I'm actually bored by them. After a minute or two,

798
00:41:05,960 --> 00:41:08,800
I'm like, Okay, we're watching people do shots. That's a

799
00:41:09,280 --> 00:41:09,920
really boring.

800
00:41:10,079 --> 00:41:12,920
Speaker 1: The thing is that about the show. It's number one.

801
00:41:13,039 --> 00:41:15,719
I can't if I watch one more thing on TikTok

802
00:41:15,719 --> 00:41:21,039
about the Easter eggs, Oh my god, I can't stand it.

803
00:41:21,039 --> 00:41:26,800
It's like, stop, stop over analyzing everything, the theories and everything.

804
00:41:26,840 --> 00:41:30,360
But I think the thing with the show is that

805
00:41:30,639 --> 00:41:34,920
I think Mike White has a very specific idea or

806
00:41:35,000 --> 00:41:37,679
not idea, but he has a very specific purpose with

807
00:41:37,760 --> 00:41:40,639
the show to present certain points. But I think these

808
00:41:40,679 --> 00:41:44,599
points get over emphasized a lot. I also think some

809
00:41:44,639 --> 00:41:50,079
of it the whole thing about white people traveling, taking

810
00:41:50,119 --> 00:41:54,800
other cultures and countries as their playground. I think that's

811
00:41:54,840 --> 00:41:58,440
always the theme with his show, white people with problems

812
00:41:58,440 --> 00:42:01,000
with a lot of money, just going and not giving

813
00:42:01,000 --> 00:42:03,440
a shit about anything else. Because I think that's that's

814
00:42:03,440 --> 00:42:06,280
what the whole episode is about. It's about like these

815
00:42:06,320 --> 00:42:10,159
people with money, uh, drinking and having a good time

816
00:42:10,239 --> 00:42:12,960
in a different country, and and and you know, some

817
00:42:13,079 --> 00:42:15,679
of the locals, like the Russian guys, clearly taking advantage.

818
00:42:15,800 --> 00:42:17,559
I was expecting more stuff to happen.

819
00:42:17,679 --> 00:42:20,599
Speaker 2: Well, I mean that whole I'll say it. I mean

820
00:42:20,840 --> 00:42:24,679
everything with the women and those guys, I I was

821
00:42:25,039 --> 00:42:27,000
waiting for not waiting for it, but I was like,

822
00:42:27,039 --> 00:42:29,599
this is going to get any second or if he

823
00:42:29,719 --> 00:42:34,119
got all of the well, they were in the actual resorts,

824
00:42:34,119 --> 00:42:35,840
so I don't think they're kill anybody.

825
00:42:35,519 --> 00:42:37,800
Speaker 1: But still their money or jewelry or whatever.

826
00:42:37,880 --> 00:42:40,320
Speaker 2: I was like, and I guess we were supposed to

827
00:42:40,360 --> 00:42:40,880
feel that.

828
00:42:41,119 --> 00:42:43,679
Speaker 1: Right, right, But that's the point that I'm trying to

829
00:42:43,719 --> 00:42:45,880
make here. He always makes this point that is these

830
00:42:46,199 --> 00:42:50,079
you know, rich people, white people vacationing in, you know,

831
00:42:50,159 --> 00:42:53,480
in these places, and a not caring about anything, and

832
00:42:53,559 --> 00:42:56,719
the locals always being the people, you know, taking advantage

833
00:42:56,760 --> 00:42:58,719
of that. I think he always makes the same point

834
00:42:58,760 --> 00:43:02,960
that white people money traveling in in some countries and

835
00:43:02,960 --> 00:43:07,360
and the locals taking advantage of the tourists. Uh, there's

836
00:43:07,400 --> 00:43:08,559
always also a theme.

837
00:43:09,679 --> 00:43:13,400
Speaker 2: I think there's also a a sort of snobbery that's

838
00:43:13,400 --> 00:43:16,480
on display where sure you're puncturing the white people, but

839
00:43:16,519 --> 00:43:20,360
you're also there's way I don't love the way he

840
00:43:20,440 --> 00:43:24,599
treats staff in his story, but I think I think

841
00:43:24,639 --> 00:43:29,400
that he, uh, he thinks he's making a certain point

842
00:43:29,440 --> 00:43:32,119
about about how they're exploited or how they're treated as

843
00:43:32,199 --> 00:43:35,280
objects and this and that. But you're doing that narratively

844
00:43:35,400 --> 00:43:37,639
in a lot of ways, you're just making well. First off,

845
00:43:37,639 --> 00:43:42,480
the dumbest fucking person in the story is Gaetak, and

846
00:43:42,760 --> 00:43:43,599
I don't love that.

847
00:43:43,679 --> 00:43:44,360
Speaker 1: I don't want that.

848
00:43:44,400 --> 00:43:47,599
Speaker 2: You're making this bumbling there aren't let them put it

849
00:43:47,599 --> 00:43:50,199
this way. There are not a lot of Thai characters

850
00:43:50,519 --> 00:43:54,199
or Thai actors on this show that is set in Thailand,

851
00:43:54,599 --> 00:43:58,079
and the only one that has a story you made

852
00:43:58,119 --> 00:44:01,840
an idiot, right. That's the kind of stuff where I'm like, Okay,

853
00:44:02,400 --> 00:44:06,000
I feel like a lot of this stuff that he's

854
00:44:06,039 --> 00:44:08,559
doing with the white lotus is really about unpacking his

855
00:44:08,599 --> 00:44:12,239
own prejudices as a white person. God, yes, very much so.

856
00:44:12,519 --> 00:44:15,360
It's stuff sneaks through that. I'm like, I don't think

857
00:44:15,400 --> 00:44:17,079
you've unpacked that as well as you think.

858
00:44:17,199 --> 00:44:21,599
Speaker 1: It's a very it's a very white story through and through.

859
00:44:21,800 --> 00:44:25,679
And even when you get someone like Belinda, for example,

860
00:44:25,760 --> 00:44:27,679
you know she's still an employee, she's still a.

861
00:44:27,760 --> 00:44:30,519
Speaker 2: Party, she still has the least interesting like they're spending

862
00:44:30,800 --> 00:44:34,239
hours fucking people taking pills on boats, and we get

863
00:44:34,239 --> 00:44:36,360
a little bit of her. She finally got some movement

864
00:44:36,519 --> 00:44:38,400
and I'm bad she's getting laid And that scene was

865
00:44:38,440 --> 00:44:40,800
adorable where she was like, do you have consent here

866
00:44:40,840 --> 00:44:44,400
because we just started doing it, which was But again,

867
00:44:44,559 --> 00:44:47,400
I feel like she's like an anterthought because well, she's

868
00:44:47,440 --> 00:44:51,360
not white and she's staff. That's the thing, like, narratively,

869
00:44:51,880 --> 00:44:54,440
you're treating the staff like staff, and I don't understand.

870
00:44:55,079 --> 00:44:57,159
Maybe you think you're making a point there, but it

871
00:44:57,480 --> 00:44:58,559
leads me to be very.

872
00:44:58,400 --> 00:45:00,880
Speaker 1: Clear that everyone felt bad for her the previous season.

873
00:45:01,079 --> 00:45:03,559
Uh huh, and then he decided to bring her back.

874
00:45:03,599 --> 00:45:06,400
But there's nothing going on for her here. It's kind

875
00:45:06,400 --> 00:45:10,199
of the same, right, the same, you know, yeah, yeah,

876
00:45:10,440 --> 00:45:13,880
she's she's Steph. She's she you know, she's she's an employee.

877
00:45:13,920 --> 00:45:17,119
She's not much moving, and I feel like every episode

878
00:45:17,760 --> 00:45:20,840
it's the same. I mean, like Mike the Father, Jesus Christ.

879
00:45:21,039 --> 00:45:24,320
Speaker 2: I can't watch Jason Isaacs get strung out anymore.

880
00:45:24,400 --> 00:45:26,920
Speaker 1: Like Jesus get on Joe's phone, that's all he does.

881
00:45:27,519 --> 00:45:32,800
Speaker 2: How did he think that was that was gonna work narratively?

882
00:45:33,239 --> 00:45:36,360
At who see? There's something I want to We haven't

883
00:45:36,440 --> 00:45:39,519
touched on the fact that there is a stunningly amazing

884
00:45:39,559 --> 00:45:41,800
scene in the middle of this episode that almost makes

885
00:45:41,880 --> 00:45:43,679
up for any complaints we have, and that's the scene

886
00:45:43,679 --> 00:45:46,199
with Sam RAI. Oh my god, yes, but I do

887
00:45:46,360 --> 00:45:48,599
before we get into that, I do want to say

888
00:45:48,679 --> 00:45:51,159
that scene. The whole time, that scene was unfolding, and

889
00:45:51,199 --> 00:45:55,079
it really is brilliant. If you've read any of the

890
00:45:55,079 --> 00:45:57,719
interviews with Mike White or behind the scenes stuff like that,

891
00:45:58,119 --> 00:46:00,320
he basically gets a cast full of peace. Well, he

892
00:46:00,360 --> 00:46:02,679
gets HBO to give him a shit ton of money

893
00:46:02,760 --> 00:46:04,960
and they go off to a resort where they lived

894
00:46:05,440 --> 00:46:08,960
for six months, and they all said he was basically

895
00:46:09,000 --> 00:46:11,599
writing it as they were going. They were getting pages

896
00:46:11,639 --> 00:46:14,199
early in the morning, that sort of thing. And to me,

897
00:46:15,400 --> 00:46:18,559
I was like, okay, this to me sums up both

898
00:46:18,599 --> 00:46:21,440
the brilliance and the downfall of this approach is because

899
00:46:21,480 --> 00:46:24,920
that scene to me, sounds like something you just Sam

900
00:46:25,000 --> 00:46:27,840
Rockwell is Leslie Bibbs part Oh yeah, So I don't

901
00:46:27,880 --> 00:46:29,559
know if he was there, and they kind of talked

902
00:46:29,599 --> 00:46:31,719
him into it and they worked up this scene that

903
00:46:31,880 --> 00:46:36,079
came out of nowhere. It doesn't really I mean, the

904
00:46:36,079 --> 00:46:38,519
story would be fine without it. They did not need

905
00:46:38,519 --> 00:46:41,400
this scene at all, but it was just it was

906
00:46:42,519 --> 00:46:45,679
so well written, and the two of them, the acting

907
00:46:45,719 --> 00:46:49,840
in that scene. God, first off, I think it's you know,

908
00:46:50,000 --> 00:46:55,199
it was two really interesting illustrations of the choices actors

909
00:46:55,239 --> 00:47:00,599
make and acting every Walton Goggins had almost no lines.

910
00:47:00,639 --> 00:47:02,519
In fact, I think he only said uh huh and

911
00:47:02,639 --> 00:47:05,320
come on or something like that, and everything was in

912
00:47:05,360 --> 00:47:11,159
his facial expressions, which were brilliant really, And whereas Mark

913
00:47:11,760 --> 00:47:17,760
No Sam Rockland Sorry, everything everything about that worked specifically

914
00:47:17,800 --> 00:47:21,199
because of his line delivery, choices, how he chose to

915
00:47:21,280 --> 00:47:24,960
say certain things. So it's one actor who was doing

916
00:47:25,000 --> 00:47:27,760
all the vocal verbal work to make a scene happen,

917
00:47:27,800 --> 00:47:30,760
and another actor is doing all of the facial work

918
00:47:30,800 --> 00:47:33,480
to make and two of them just it could not

919
00:47:33,719 --> 00:47:36,639
have been any better. They were perfect. Guy.

920
00:47:37,320 --> 00:47:40,199
Speaker 1: I had such a wonderful time reading. We were cracked

921
00:47:40,280 --> 00:47:43,280
reading all the reading everything that the Queer people has

922
00:47:43,519 --> 00:47:48,039
said about that. It's just hysterical. Because I was in shocked,

923
00:47:48,360 --> 00:47:49,920
you know. I turned to you and we were started

924
00:47:50,079 --> 00:47:51,960
laughing because he was like, this is perfect.

925
00:47:52,000 --> 00:47:53,880
Speaker 2: I think he's going to get an Emmy nomination just

926
00:47:53,960 --> 00:47:57,440
for that scene. God, it was so so fun It

927
00:47:57,599 --> 00:47:58,360
was funny.

928
00:47:58,440 --> 00:48:03,559
Speaker 1: It was brilliantly brilliant, It was funny. Yeah, it says

929
00:48:03,599 --> 00:48:04,960
so much about a lot.

930
00:48:05,159 --> 00:48:08,079
Speaker 2: Well, I mean it actually did sum up. If there's again,

931
00:48:08,119 --> 00:48:10,280
if there's a theme to this episode, it was desire.

932
00:48:11,320 --> 00:48:14,440
You know, it was Blinda giving consent, it was Carrie

933
00:48:14,519 --> 00:48:16,199
Coon taking her top off in the pool with the

934
00:48:16,280 --> 00:48:19,000
Russian guys. It was it was sex. It was it

935
00:48:19,039 --> 00:48:22,719
was the brothers kissing, kissing. Yeah, so it was a

936
00:48:22,719 --> 00:48:25,840
lot of illicit, forbidden sort of desire. That's what the

937
00:48:25,920 --> 00:48:29,360
whole episode was about. And I mean it was nice

938
00:48:29,360 --> 00:48:33,360
to have a thematically tight episode, but again, like where

939
00:48:33,440 --> 00:48:36,840
is the story going? Like how where is the story going?

940
00:48:36,920 --> 00:48:39,400
Speaker 1: I mean, yeah, I mean at what point is.

941
00:48:39,360 --> 00:48:41,639
Speaker 2: Walton Goggins going to try and kill the man who

942
00:48:41,840 --> 00:48:43,920
is going to turn out to be his father? At

943
00:48:43,960 --> 00:48:46,000
what point are those two brothers just going to have sex?

944
00:48:46,079 --> 00:48:46,679
Speaker 1: Like right?

945
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Speaker 2: I think that storyline's weird. But I gotta say, like

946
00:48:50,039 --> 00:48:53,360
when when there's a modern fascination with cannibalism and incest

947
00:48:53,480 --> 00:48:55,039
right now? And I think there's a lot of reasons

948
00:48:55,079 --> 00:48:58,199
why that's the case. And I don't think they're interesting.

949
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I don't think they're interesting me.

950
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Speaker 1: I don't think they're interesting. That whole family. I mean,

951
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I'm even poor Parker Posi. My god.

952
00:49:06,480 --> 00:49:09,679
Speaker 2: She had a good scene where the daughter who And

953
00:49:09,719 --> 00:49:13,400
this is something that Mike White does with something he's

954
00:49:13,559 --> 00:49:16,360
pretty good at. It is you're listening to the daughter

955
00:49:16,440 --> 00:49:18,159
and as a viewer, you're like, you want to be

956
00:49:18,159 --> 00:49:20,239
on her side because her parents are everyone in the

957
00:49:20,239 --> 00:49:22,199
family is terrible, and at least you know she's trying

958
00:49:22,199 --> 00:49:24,280
to better herself. And then you listen to her and

959
00:49:24,320 --> 00:49:28,280
you're like, oh, you're just a spoiled little white h Okay,

960
00:49:28,280 --> 00:49:30,239
I'm going to take a year off and you're going

961
00:49:30,280 --> 00:49:30,920
to pay for it.

962
00:49:30,960 --> 00:49:33,559
Speaker 1: And then you you're surprised to think that you know,

963
00:49:33,639 --> 00:49:37,000
Parkopos is the one with the right being reasonable here, Well,

964
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I don't know about that.

965
00:49:37,800 --> 00:49:39,480
Speaker 2: She's pretty racist.

966
00:49:39,119 --> 00:49:41,800
Speaker 1: I know, but the whole thing about like, but clearly

967
00:49:41,880 --> 00:49:44,239
she understands that the daughter is just not going to

968
00:49:44,320 --> 00:49:47,639
go with it or or it's you know, she's delusional, right,

969
00:49:48,079 --> 00:49:52,079
that the daughter is delusional. But it's it's very interesting.

970
00:49:52,679 --> 00:49:56,239
I think the show again, I think he keeps repeating itself,

971
00:49:56,400 --> 00:49:57,039
the same story.

972
00:49:57,159 --> 00:49:59,079
Speaker 2: He doesn't have anything new to say it.

973
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Speaker 1: It doesn't add anything with any you know, with every

974
00:50:02,880 --> 00:50:05,840
new season. It's just a different location, and I think

975
00:50:05,880 --> 00:50:08,159
you kind of fooled by that, that it's just a

976
00:50:08,159 --> 00:50:08,880
different location.

977
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Speaker 2: I also think he's not really saying anything all that deep, like, Okay,

978
00:50:14,639 --> 00:50:18,199
rich white women are vapid bitches and rich white men

979
00:50:18,320 --> 00:50:22,880
are douchebags. Repeat, repeat, repeat, repeat repeat. That's all he's

980
00:50:22,920 --> 00:50:28,719
been saying. Everyone's entitled and they treat employees and staff terribly,

981
00:50:29,039 --> 00:50:33,000
and that's it. I will say again, there was some

982
00:50:33,239 --> 00:50:36,679
good writing in the scene with when Belinda went to

983
00:50:37,119 --> 00:50:41,079
the German concierge. I can't remember that guy's name, but

984
00:50:41,079 --> 00:50:44,960
actually his facial expressions are hilarious as well, and tried

985
00:50:44,960 --> 00:50:50,079
to tell him about Greg, and the way he dismissed

986
00:50:50,079 --> 00:50:53,840
her was very much a microaggression as it was written.

987
00:50:53,920 --> 00:50:57,760
I feel like it was definitely deliberately a white staff

988
00:50:57,840 --> 00:51:00,159
member telling a black woman who felt that she was

989
00:51:00,199 --> 00:51:02,800
in danger to just get over it, right.

990
00:51:02,960 --> 00:51:05,639
Speaker 1: I think what the show lacks is sort of like

991
00:51:05,679 --> 00:51:10,920
a Dalton Abbey approach to a guest and staph. I

992
00:51:10,920 --> 00:51:14,199
mean you need to I think you need to explore

993
00:51:14,239 --> 00:51:17,239
more of the lives of the staff people, you know, like,

994
00:51:17,280 --> 00:51:20,639
the more about them, what they do, their lives, or whatever,

995
00:51:20,679 --> 00:51:22,519
so that make the whole thing interesting. But right now,

996
00:51:22,559 --> 00:51:24,199
it feels like it's just the white, white, white, white

997
00:51:24,239 --> 00:51:27,679
white people staying at the hotels and very little about

998
00:51:27,679 --> 00:51:31,280
the people working at the hotels, you know what I mean.

999
00:51:31,360 --> 00:51:35,440
Like it it feels unbalanced to me as a show,

1000
00:51:35,960 --> 00:51:38,880
and you know you interested. I mean, like Greg the

1001
00:51:39,039 --> 00:51:40,800
entire season. I mean, he's done nothing.

1002
00:51:40,880 --> 00:51:41,800
Speaker 2: He barely speaks.

1003
00:51:42,400 --> 00:51:45,719
Speaker 1: Yeah, he's just there, right, but there's nothing going on.

1004
00:51:46,199 --> 00:51:49,880
I don't know. Again, its great act I mean, lastly,

1005
00:51:50,000 --> 00:51:54,440
I absolutely love Leslie, but I think she's hilarious.

1006
00:51:53,599 --> 00:51:54,840
Speaker 2: Funny with the Russian guys.

1007
00:51:54,960 --> 00:51:58,679
Speaker 1: Yes, so you get that Carrie, you know, Carry Cohn

1008
00:51:58,760 --> 00:52:01,360
and all these people. They're amazing, so you get to

1009
00:52:01,400 --> 00:52:05,320
see them, you get to watch them act. But in

1010
00:52:05,400 --> 00:52:07,920
terms of show, in terms of the you know, how

1011
00:52:07,960 --> 00:52:10,679
interesting the show is and how well put together the

1012
00:52:10,719 --> 00:52:11,719
show is, you know, not.

1013
00:52:11,719 --> 00:52:17,679
Speaker 2: Really I agree, But I will finish watching. I will

1014
00:52:17,679 --> 00:52:20,559
finish out this season, but I'm definitely not checking it

1015
00:52:20,559 --> 00:52:24,000
out next year. Oh if there's a season for I

1016
00:52:24,159 --> 00:52:26,760
just I As I said last week when we were

1017
00:52:26,760 --> 00:52:29,519
covering the show, it's just not for me. Other people

1018
00:52:29,599 --> 00:52:32,159
seem to be fascinated by this, and I think it's

1019
00:52:32,199 --> 00:52:35,719
not really saying anything interesting. So great cast, but I

1020
00:52:35,719 --> 00:52:37,519
feel like they're all being wasted at this point.

1021
00:52:37,559 --> 00:52:39,920
Speaker 1: It's funny how we feel about these shows, because I

1022
00:52:39,920 --> 00:52:41,559
feel the same thing about Severance. I don't think I'm

1023
00:52:41,559 --> 00:52:44,679
watching Severanth anymore, but I will continue with a white lotust.

1024
00:52:44,800 --> 00:52:48,159
Speaker 2: Yeah. So all right, then that wraps it up for

1025
00:52:48,199 --> 00:52:50,559
this week. We'll be back next week with whatever crosses

1026
00:52:50,599 --> 00:52:53,079
our eyes across the desk. Until then, take care of yourselves,

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love you mean it, Bye bye bye. A Bason fus

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