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Many 40 00:01:59.079 --> 00:02:01.959 books of them have been written about the Black Gangster. 41 00:02:02.680 --> 00:02:05.719 They have been, for the most part, lengthy tomes focusing 42 00:02:05.760 --> 00:02:09.439 on the kingpins of the gang land scene, gangster with 43 00:02:09.560 --> 00:02:14.520 names like Nicky Burns, Nicky Barnes, Frank Lucas, Lorenzo, Fat 44 00:02:14.560 --> 00:02:18.560 Cat Nichols, and Kenneth's Supreme mc gift. Yet there are 45 00:02:18.560 --> 00:02:21.199 many stories about the Black Gangster that have not received 46 00:02:21.240 --> 00:02:24.719 much breast coverage or have simply been ignored or missed 47 00:02:24.719 --> 00:02:27.919 by the media. They indeed reveal a lot about the 48 00:02:27.960 --> 00:02:31.039 history of the Hood. Straight from the Hood is a 49 00:02:31.039 --> 00:02:34.479 compilation of some of those fascinating stories. You will find 50 00:02:34.479 --> 00:02:39.439 tales featuring drug kingpins, entertainers, hit men, street gangs, con men, 51 00:02:39.840 --> 00:02:43.479 corrupt cops, and reform gang bangers. Read about the most 52 00:02:43.560 --> 00:02:47.039 feared man in the entertainment industry. The love story between 53 00:02:47.080 --> 00:02:50.080 Fran a former heroin addict, and David, a reformed gangster, 54 00:02:50.560 --> 00:02:54.319 both of whom have become celebrities. The unlikely alliance between 55 00:02:54.360 --> 00:02:57.840 an ambitious black gangster and a violent, indeed crazy, white 56 00:02:58.240 --> 00:03:03.360 Italian American mobster. The terrorist plot involving the Chicago Streak Kang, 57 00:03:03.719 --> 00:03:07.520 and more. Learn about al Capone's impact on Chicago's African 58 00:03:07.560 --> 00:03:11.280 American community and what Alcatraz has to do with Harlem's 59 00:03:11.319 --> 00:03:15.120 most famous godfather. Why is Denzel Washington in this book? 60 00:03:15.639 --> 00:03:18.159 Who is a modern day desperado who died by the 61 00:03:18.199 --> 00:03:21.199 gun but managed to live on through rap music? How 62 00:03:21.240 --> 00:03:23.560 did a stick up artist from Brooklyn become hip hop's 63 00:03:23.560 --> 00:03:26.879 answer to Lee Harvey Oswald. Each of the following stories 64 00:03:26.879 --> 00:03:30.039 are amazing and all of them are true. The book 65 00:03:30.080 --> 00:03:32.280 feature this evening is Straight from the Hood with my 66 00:03:32.360 --> 00:03:36.560 special guest Ron Chepsik and Scott Wilson. Welcome back to 67 00:03:36.599 --> 00:03:40.319 the program, Ron, and welcome to the program. Scott, and 68 00:03:40.360 --> 00:03:41.800 thank you for green to this interview. 69 00:03:42.919 --> 00:03:46.879 Thank you. This is Ron Chepsick. I'm happy to be 70 00:03:46.919 --> 00:03:47.960 back on the program with you. 71 00:03:48.159 --> 00:03:48.319 Dan. 72 00:03:49.000 --> 00:03:52.240 Thank you very much, Ron for appearing and welcome to 73 00:03:52.280 --> 00:03:53.560 the program, Scott Wilson. 74 00:03:54.439 --> 00:03:56.840 Oh, thanks, I'm very happy to be on this program. 75 00:03:56.960 --> 00:03:59.080 I'm happy to share this time and talk with you 76 00:03:59.120 --> 00:03:59.639 about the book. 77 00:04:00.199 --> 00:04:00.360 Well. 78 00:04:00.400 --> 00:04:02.280 Great, thank you very much. I'm sure we'll have a 79 00:04:02.280 --> 00:04:06.560 great program for the folks. Now, I always ask this 80 00:04:06.680 --> 00:04:09.240 question because I'm always curious, and I'm sure the audience 81 00:04:09.319 --> 00:04:10.039 is a little bit too. 82 00:04:11.599 --> 00:04:11.840 Ron. 83 00:04:12.280 --> 00:04:14.840 I'll start with you. You've written quite a few books about 84 00:04:14.879 --> 00:04:18.319 black organized crime. What made you come to the decision 85 00:04:18.360 --> 00:04:23.120 to write this book in particular short true organized crime stories, 86 00:04:23.600 --> 00:04:27.360 many involving well known names in hip hop music. And 87 00:04:28.199 --> 00:04:30.199 the second part of that is what did Scott Wilson 88 00:04:30.800 --> 00:04:33.959 bring to this book project, specifically Straight from the Hood? 89 00:04:35.199 --> 00:04:40.480 Well, I decided to do this book because I've been writing, 90 00:04:41.600 --> 00:04:45.959 you know, books that deal with really in depth stories, 91 00:04:46.240 --> 00:04:50.639 and I've been collecting a lot of these mid tales 92 00:04:51.079 --> 00:04:54.439 about gangsters in the hood. A lot of these talers 93 00:04:54.480 --> 00:04:59.160 don't warn books in themselves, but are interesting, interesting stories, 94 00:04:59.439 --> 00:05:02.720 and uh, I thought that they would, uh you know, 95 00:05:02.879 --> 00:05:06.800 serve as a basis for the book. And uh, I've 96 00:05:07.120 --> 00:05:09.279 met Scott a couple of years ago. He approached me 97 00:05:09.319 --> 00:05:12.199 after reading one of my books, and we developed the 98 00:05:12.240 --> 00:05:15.439 friendship and a relationship. And I knew Scott was a 99 00:05:15.759 --> 00:05:18.800 was a an excellent writer, and he has his own blog. 100 00:05:19.160 --> 00:05:22.399 He's also expert in hip hop culture, and I knew 101 00:05:22.399 --> 00:05:25.319 a lot of these stories, you know, related to the 102 00:05:25.360 --> 00:05:27.399 hip hop culture. And I'm not an expert in hip 103 00:05:27.439 --> 00:05:30.240 hop culture, although I listened to the music. And uh, 104 00:05:30.439 --> 00:05:34.199 so we we am more of a historian, a traditional 105 00:05:34.279 --> 00:05:37.600 you know type historian, and so I thought that if 106 00:05:37.600 --> 00:05:41.439 we put our backgrounds together, we we could, uh you know, 107 00:05:41.519 --> 00:05:46.480 come up with a good book. And we did. Scott 108 00:05:46.560 --> 00:05:49.120 drew a lot of stories that he had been collecting 109 00:05:49.240 --> 00:05:52.439 or heard about, and and added him to the book. 110 00:05:52.439 --> 00:05:54.839 And then I went through through the history and uh 111 00:05:55.079 --> 00:05:58.240 pulled out some interesting stories. Uh some of them appear 112 00:05:58.279 --> 00:05:59.800 in some of my previous books, but a lot of 113 00:05:59.839 --> 00:06:01.279 them we're original. 114 00:06:03.399 --> 00:06:10.560 Right now, What I wanted to ask, was you talked 115 00:06:10.600 --> 00:06:12.879 we talked about in the introduction, or at least I 116 00:06:13.000 --> 00:06:16.319 mentioned in the introduction read about the most feared man 117 00:06:16.319 --> 00:06:21.079 in the entertainment industry. Maybe we can start with some 118 00:06:21.120 --> 00:06:25.560 of the more important stories. I mean, there's a number 119 00:06:25.639 --> 00:06:28.040 of short stories in this book and all of them 120 00:06:28.079 --> 00:06:30.680 are pretty incredible and a lot of information I had 121 00:06:30.680 --> 00:06:33.319 no idea about it all, and a lot of big names. 122 00:06:33.639 --> 00:06:36.399 So you've met you threw out a few big names 123 00:06:36.399 --> 00:06:40.879 in here. So let's let's start about with why why 124 00:06:41.040 --> 00:06:43.519 is Denzel Washington in this book? And maybe you can 125 00:06:43.600 --> 00:06:45.079 answer that question ron. 126 00:06:45.759 --> 00:06:49.480 Everybody, everybody, I always ask that question, so you know 127 00:06:49.519 --> 00:06:53.439 that always grabs people's attention on that. Actually Scott dug 128 00:06:53.480 --> 00:06:57.279 this story out and it's a very interesting story, as 129 00:06:57.480 --> 00:07:00.759 Scott could probably talk a little bit about Phil Scott. 130 00:07:01.959 --> 00:07:04.759 Okay, Well, back in about two thousand and one, I 131 00:07:04.800 --> 00:07:08.439 came across a documentary called Welcome to Death Row. It 132 00:07:08.519 --> 00:07:10.480 was produced by a friend of mine, a writer by 133 00:07:10.480 --> 00:07:12.600 the name of Alan Scott Gordon. He used to be 134 00:07:13.160 --> 00:07:15.560 the editor in chief at Rat Pages, it was a 135 00:07:15.600 --> 00:07:19.759 prominent hip hop magazine that's now defunct. He also wrote 136 00:07:19.800 --> 00:07:22.680 for The Source magazine. He was part of their mind squad, 137 00:07:22.720 --> 00:07:24.839 what they called the Source mind Squad back at that time. 138 00:07:26.079 --> 00:07:31.199 He produced this documentary along with Lydia Harris, which is 139 00:07:31.240 --> 00:07:36.439 Michael Harris's wife. Michael Harris was a prominent cocaine dealer 140 00:07:37.439 --> 00:07:40.720 in the LA area in the early nineteen eighties. He 141 00:07:40.759 --> 00:07:43.560 was affiliated with the blood set known as the Bounty Hunters. 142 00:07:44.279 --> 00:07:48.920 He began to diversify into other areas mostly I think 143 00:07:48.959 --> 00:07:51.680 he was really aiming for entertainment, but he began to 144 00:07:51.959 --> 00:07:54.560 invest in a lot of legitimate businesses. That seemed to 145 00:07:54.560 --> 00:07:58.439 be his goal, a crossover into the legitimate world. He 146 00:07:58.600 --> 00:08:03.759 produced a play play called Checkmates. He has the distinction 147 00:08:03.839 --> 00:08:06.839 of being the first African American to ever produce a 148 00:08:06.879 --> 00:08:07.639 Broadway play. 149 00:08:08.240 --> 00:08:08.360 Uh. 150 00:08:09.000 --> 00:08:14.079 It was Denzel Washington's first ever Broadway play. By that time, 151 00:08:14.240 --> 00:08:17.360 Denzel has already had a reputation. He was on Saint 152 00:08:17.399 --> 00:08:20.720 Elsewereth with TV, the hospital drama Saint Elseworth, So he 153 00:08:20.759 --> 00:08:22.879 already came to the table with something of a you know, 154 00:08:23.560 --> 00:08:24.360 a good resume. 155 00:08:24.920 --> 00:08:25.120 Right. 156 00:08:27.199 --> 00:08:31.480 That's very interesting, And it's interesting about Michael Harris because 157 00:08:32.240 --> 00:08:34.799 I had I had a friend and he's a he's 158 00:08:34.840 --> 00:08:37.600 actually a friend of Michael Harrison and Michael Harris been 159 00:08:37.600 --> 00:08:42.480 in jail since the late eighties, and he just was 160 00:08:42.519 --> 00:08:46.919 happening to talk with him on the phone because he 161 00:08:47.039 --> 00:08:51.240 called from prison, uh to this mutual friend, And so 162 00:08:51.399 --> 00:08:54.120 mutual friend called me put us on a freeway, and 163 00:08:54.519 --> 00:08:57.480 Harris was sort of girning me about about you know, 164 00:08:58.120 --> 00:08:59.720 you know, why was he in our book Straight for 165 00:08:59.720 --> 00:09:01.200 the Hood and all that, and ex claimed was just 166 00:09:02.159 --> 00:09:04.399 you know, just a profile, you know, about fifteen hundred 167 00:09:04.399 --> 00:09:07.399 words and because he was actually doing his own books. 168 00:09:07.480 --> 00:09:10.440 And I said, you know, this was just a really 169 00:09:10.480 --> 00:09:12.559 short story and all that, so you know, it was 170 00:09:12.639 --> 00:09:14.600 quite interesting, and he said he was getting out. I 171 00:09:14.600 --> 00:09:17.440 think he's probably out of jail now. But this guy 172 00:09:17.559 --> 00:09:22.159 was had a very promising career as an entrepreneur and 173 00:09:22.240 --> 00:09:26.240 entertain an entrepreneur, and you know, lost it because of 174 00:09:26.240 --> 00:09:27.840 a variety of factors. 175 00:09:29.840 --> 00:09:34.919 Now let's keeping with this, Let's talk about al Capone's 176 00:09:34.919 --> 00:09:41.080 impact on Chicago's African American community, it says, and also 177 00:09:41.159 --> 00:09:44.240 what Alcatraz has to do with Harlem's most famous godfather. 178 00:09:46.120 --> 00:09:49.159 Well, al Capone, I guess you could say he was 179 00:09:49.799 --> 00:09:55.000 ahead of his ahead of his time, and in terms 180 00:09:55.039 --> 00:09:59.879 of his relationships with the black community in Chicago, although 181 00:10:00.039 --> 00:10:04.080 he wasn't you know, a raving civil rights advocate. But 182 00:10:04.240 --> 00:10:06.759 I think that the Times back in nineteen twenty he was. 183 00:10:07.320 --> 00:10:11.240 And of course al Capone had come to Chicago about 184 00:10:11.279 --> 00:10:17.559 nineteen nineteen from New York and quickly established himself in 185 00:10:17.600 --> 00:10:21.480 the rackets. And you know, by the mid mid nineteen twenties, 186 00:10:22.039 --> 00:10:24.559 nineteen twenties, he was one of the most powerful gangsters 187 00:10:24.600 --> 00:10:29.440 in America. And he had a liking for half American 188 00:10:29.519 --> 00:10:35.480 music lose jazz, et cetera. And he had a bar 189 00:10:36.879 --> 00:10:40.679 nightclub called Plantation Cafe. And actually, in those days it 190 00:10:40.720 --> 00:10:47.600 was hard for musicians to get gigs in white owned clubs, 191 00:10:47.159 --> 00:10:50.440 even up in the North, not just the South, and 192 00:10:50.519 --> 00:10:52.919 so he sort of allowed a lot of the lot 193 00:10:52.960 --> 00:10:57.799 of a lot of the black musicians to play in 194 00:10:57.840 --> 00:11:01.600 his club, and other gangsters would come and uh he 195 00:11:01.679 --> 00:11:06.080 eventually uh stuck up a relationship with Fats Waller, you know, 196 00:11:06.120 --> 00:11:09.200 the famous musician, right, And I have it in my 197 00:11:09.240 --> 00:11:13.360 book where Fats Waller uh one one night was summarily 198 00:11:13.440 --> 00:11:17.679 picked up by two beefy gangsters, white gangsters from al 199 00:11:17.799 --> 00:11:21.679 Capone's mob and taken to this house and fast Waller 200 00:11:21.720 --> 00:11:24.080 thought it was the end of his days, but actually 201 00:11:24.080 --> 00:11:27.039 all that was was the birthday party for Capone, and 202 00:11:27.320 --> 00:11:30.320 he ended up playing music and staying up late, had 203 00:11:30.399 --> 00:11:33.080 champagne for the first time in his life, and h 204 00:11:33.399 --> 00:11:37.879 went home with his He recalled with his pockets bulging 205 00:11:38.559 --> 00:11:43.759 and with money and uh evidently, you know, Capone worked 206 00:11:43.759 --> 00:11:46.519 out a deal with the with the black community where uh, 207 00:11:46.879 --> 00:11:49.440 you know, he stayed out of out of the other 208 00:11:49.600 --> 00:11:53.000 numbers and they bought his booze. So it was interesting 209 00:11:53.039 --> 00:11:56.960 story and at a different h angle on the Al 210 00:11:57.039 --> 00:11:58.320 Capone legend. 211 00:11:59.360 --> 00:12:03.879 Right, and with that as well as what does Alcatraz 212 00:12:03.960 --> 00:12:09.960 itself have to do with Harm's most famous godfather, Well. 213 00:12:10.759 --> 00:12:16.919 That's Bumpy Johnson, of course, and Scott wrote that story 214 00:12:17.039 --> 00:12:20.559 found it a very interesting story and he could probably 215 00:12:20.600 --> 00:12:23.840 explain a little bit more about that. Give you a 216 00:12:23.879 --> 00:12:30.240 little background on Bumpy Johnson. If you've seen the movie Hoodlums, 217 00:12:31.639 --> 00:12:38.440 he was in that movie, which was ostensibly depicting nineteen 218 00:12:38.519 --> 00:12:44.360 thirties Harlem gangster life. And he was also a big 219 00:12:44.440 --> 00:12:49.840 character in American Gangster, the movie that came out in 220 00:12:49.879 --> 00:12:53.039 two thousand and seven, and he was a gentleman that 221 00:12:53.120 --> 00:12:58.720 had a heart attack in this store, and evidently that 222 00:12:58.799 --> 00:13:01.879 led to the rise of Frank Lucas, which, of course, 223 00:13:02.000 --> 00:13:04.039 as I pointed out in my book was a complete lie. 224 00:13:04.279 --> 00:13:08.720 We could talk about that later, but uh, Scott did. 225 00:13:08.840 --> 00:13:10.919 Scott wrote the story and he dug out the information. 226 00:13:11.039 --> 00:13:13.679 It's a really interesting story. So maybe Scott can give 227 00:13:13.720 --> 00:13:14.840 you some background the story. 228 00:13:15.159 --> 00:13:17.559 Yeah, I give Scott tell us a little bit about Alcatraz. 229 00:13:19.240 --> 00:13:23.360 Well, yeah, there was a you know, Alcatraz reputedly the 230 00:13:23.559 --> 00:13:29.000 escape proof prison or so so people you know, Bumpy 231 00:13:29.080 --> 00:13:31.559 Johnson among others. I think even al Capone spent some 232 00:13:31.639 --> 00:13:36.919 time the Bumpy Johnson had spent time. How Bumpy like 233 00:13:37.080 --> 00:13:39.840 Michael Harris was You know, he was a very He 234 00:13:39.919 --> 00:13:43.000 was a very intelligent guy. That's why he made it 235 00:13:43.039 --> 00:13:46.519 so far in his criminal enterprises. He was a renaissance man. 236 00:13:46.720 --> 00:13:48.879 He was. He was a writer and I think even 237 00:13:48.879 --> 00:13:50.960 a poet. I think he had some of his work published. 238 00:13:51.879 --> 00:13:55.759 He want a poetry contest while he was in prison, Yes, yes. 239 00:13:55.679 --> 00:13:59.639 He want a poetry contest. Supposedly, while he was there, 240 00:14:00.039 --> 00:14:03.039 he helped with what is believed to be I think 241 00:14:03.039 --> 00:14:08.200 the only successful or nearly successful break prison break from Alcatraz. 242 00:14:08.840 --> 00:14:12.440 He provided a boat for the men who were trying 243 00:14:12.440 --> 00:14:15.120 to escape that night day. These guys, I mean, they 244 00:14:15.120 --> 00:14:18.600 were really detailed oriented they left, like I think paper 245 00:14:18.679 --> 00:14:22.879 mache busts of themselves in their beds after they left 246 00:14:22.919 --> 00:14:25.480 to simulate someone actually being in the in the prison 247 00:14:25.519 --> 00:14:29.440 better sleep. But you know, Bumpy Johnson supposedly made it 248 00:14:29.480 --> 00:14:32.000 so that they had a boat waiting on them to sail, 249 00:14:32.120 --> 00:14:36.000 to sail over to San Francisco. From what I understand, 250 00:14:36.519 --> 00:14:40.600 the boat nor the men were ever found. There's no 251 00:14:40.600 --> 00:14:42.519 way to there's no way to know for sure if 252 00:14:42.519 --> 00:14:45.840 this prison break was ever successful, and every not everyone 253 00:14:45.919 --> 00:14:49.600 believes that Bumpy was powerful enough at the time to 254 00:14:50.159 --> 00:14:53.240 actually aid in something like that because with him being 255 00:14:53.279 --> 00:14:54.879 in prison, I mean, he wasn't able to be out 256 00:14:54.919 --> 00:14:57.240 on the streets making money and a lot of his 257 00:14:57.320 --> 00:15:00.799 savings savings were probably depleted. But you know it's I 258 00:15:00.799 --> 00:15:05.720 think even his widow cooperated the story. 259 00:15:04.399 --> 00:15:09.039 Right, and Unsolved Mysteries. Unsolved Mysteries had a segment on it, right, Scott, 260 00:15:09.559 --> 00:15:10.480 Yes they did, Yes. 261 00:15:10.360 --> 00:15:12.919 They did. That's what I think. I think that episode 262 00:15:12.919 --> 00:15:15.360 of Unsolved Mysteries has a lot to do with the 263 00:15:15.399 --> 00:15:18.759 spreading of that story, right. 264 00:15:19.200 --> 00:15:21.360 And you know, I was on the watching TV the 265 00:15:21.399 --> 00:15:23.399 other day and I was serving the channels. There was 266 00:15:23.480 --> 00:15:27.879 actually a movie made about a prison break from anothetized. 267 00:15:27.159 --> 00:15:27.919 With fun Eastwood. 268 00:15:27.960 --> 00:15:32.840 Wasn't there, Oh yes, I didn't, right, well, yeah, it 269 00:15:32.879 --> 00:15:35.440 was a breakout from it was that the same story. 270 00:15:35.919 --> 00:15:38.720 I'm not sure. I never I've never actually seen the films, Like, 271 00:15:38.720 --> 00:15:39.679 I can't really answer that. 272 00:15:40.159 --> 00:15:42.200 Yeah, yeah, well I've never seen the film in there 273 00:15:42.200 --> 00:15:44.559 because the film was at a time that I couldn't 274 00:15:44.600 --> 00:15:48.080 watch it, But I was thinking about renting it on 275 00:15:48.320 --> 00:15:51.639 DVD just to see if there was any any connection, uh, 276 00:15:51.720 --> 00:15:53.799 you know, or to the story where it was based 277 00:15:53.840 --> 00:15:54.480 on this story. 278 00:15:57.240 --> 00:16:01.039 Now another story found interesting and and hopefully I haven't 279 00:16:01.039 --> 00:16:04.360 got this confused. When you talk about the most feared 280 00:16:04.399 --> 00:16:08.039 man in the entertainment industry, is this the story about Griffin? 281 00:16:08.720 --> 00:16:13.600 And and uh and Riley Teddy Riley. 282 00:16:15.159 --> 00:16:19.679 Right right, Geen Griffin. And I was amazed because, uh, 283 00:16:19.799 --> 00:16:22.720 he's in my my research, I met a lot of 284 00:16:23.080 --> 00:16:28.080 ex gangsters, a lot of them, you Gene Riley and 285 00:16:28.240 --> 00:16:32.639 uh and uh he was a legend, uh in the 286 00:16:32.720 --> 00:16:35.639 in the in the underworld, and also in entertainment industry. 287 00:16:35.679 --> 00:16:37.480 He was rumored to be a hit man drug theyan 288 00:16:38.120 --> 00:16:41.360 and uh, you know, and uh they knew that if 289 00:16:41.360 --> 00:16:43.919 he messed with Teddy Riley. You know you're really uh, 290 00:16:43.960 --> 00:16:47.799 you'd really uh have some problems on that and uh 291 00:16:47.840 --> 00:16:50.600 he developed a relationship with Teddy Riley, became one of 292 00:16:50.639 --> 00:16:56.200 the super talents of of of the US the industry 293 00:16:56.240 --> 00:17:01.759 and supported the Riley's godfather. 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And the figures 329 00:18:45.720 --> 00:18:49.079 you know, were reported to be in the in the millions, 330 00:18:49.640 --> 00:18:51.359 and he wasn't making a lot of money even though 331 00:18:51.359 --> 00:18:55.079 he wrote a number of uh, you know, pop hits 332 00:18:55.119 --> 00:19:02.119 that became very lucrative, right, excuse me on that, And 333 00:19:02.279 --> 00:19:07.400 so they ended up splitting and it didn't really, it 334 00:19:07.400 --> 00:19:10.279 didn't really hurt Rowley's career, you know, he went on 335 00:19:11.559 --> 00:19:15.519 to become even a bigger star. But Griffin's musical career 336 00:19:15.519 --> 00:19:18.960 of fizzle and he disappeared as a big name in 337 00:19:18.960 --> 00:19:25.000 the music industry and he died in early two thousand 338 00:19:25.000 --> 00:19:27.839 and nine for the Alzheimer's Well. 339 00:19:27.920 --> 00:19:30.880 I found was interesting about that story too, is the 340 00:19:31.759 --> 00:19:36.680 is the amount of well you talk about Bobby Brown's 341 00:19:36.880 --> 00:19:39.400 huge hit prerogative and if people go back a little 342 00:19:39.400 --> 00:19:41.720 bit in history, they know how big that tune was. 343 00:19:42.319 --> 00:19:45.839 And I found it interesting. And just like you make 344 00:19:45.920 --> 00:19:48.559 the conclusion at the end of the story that despite 345 00:19:48.920 --> 00:19:53.839 having financial problems and disputes with Griffin, that nothing ever 346 00:19:53.960 --> 00:19:57.480 happened to Teddy Riley and his career went unabated. But 347 00:19:57.559 --> 00:20:00.759 what he talked about was that, for example, that Griffin 348 00:20:01.279 --> 00:20:06.720 had signed himself on for the royalty that ended up 349 00:20:06.720 --> 00:20:10.039 giving him eight hundred thousand dollars, where Teddy Riley said, 350 00:20:10.359 --> 00:20:12.319 there's no way that Griffin had anything to do with 351 00:20:12.400 --> 00:20:12.920 writing the. 352 00:20:12.920 --> 00:20:15.759 Song at all, trying to be a co writer of 353 00:20:15.799 --> 00:20:18.759 that song, right it came to be a co writer 354 00:20:18.880 --> 00:20:21.359 a song, Yeah, Yeah, he was very he was very 355 00:20:21.359 --> 00:20:24.759 shady and you know, I don't know, you know, you 356 00:20:25.079 --> 00:20:27.960 can't make the accusation because he never was brought to 357 00:20:28.480 --> 00:20:31.720 trial for the wrongdoing. But he just had this reputation. 358 00:20:32.640 --> 00:20:35.039 You know, I was sort of working in the shadows 359 00:20:35.240 --> 00:20:39.319 and not everything being about work. And of course, when 360 00:20:39.359 --> 00:20:41.599 you have this type of reputation and you know, a 361 00:20:41.680 --> 00:20:44.759 lot of people come to really be wary of you 362 00:20:45.000 --> 00:20:48.680 and even fear you. And I guess it's to Riley's 363 00:20:48.680 --> 00:20:51.799 credit that it really didn't bother him in terms of 364 00:20:51.839 --> 00:20:55.000 his ambition's career. You know, he went on to record 365 00:20:55.000 --> 00:20:58.400 a whole bunch of songs with Duck Dray, Queen Ten's Role, 366 00:20:58.440 --> 00:21:01.359 and munch of other by like your other musicians. 367 00:21:02.720 --> 00:21:05.720 Uh to to interject, I also want to say that 368 00:21:06.200 --> 00:21:09.079 the relationship between Teddy Riley and Gen Griffin is actually 369 00:21:09.119 --> 00:21:12.279 pretty common when you look at a lot of the 370 00:21:12.319 --> 00:21:17.440 other dynasties and pop music. For instance, the relationship between 371 00:21:17.480 --> 00:21:20.079 Sue Knight and Doctor Dre. You know, Doctor Dre was 372 00:21:20.079 --> 00:21:22.240 the creative force. You know, he was a you know, 373 00:21:22.279 --> 00:21:25.279 he's a gifted producer. He had he had a new 374 00:21:25.319 --> 00:21:28.359 sound at the time and him and him and Shook 375 00:21:28.440 --> 00:21:30.960 Knight formed Death Row Records and Shoode Knight was kind 376 00:21:31.000 --> 00:21:33.359 of the muscle behind the scenes, you know, if at 377 00:21:33.359 --> 00:21:36.559 first most people didn't know who he was. And I 378 00:21:36.559 --> 00:21:39.920 think those relationships proved beneficial for both people at first 379 00:21:40.039 --> 00:21:44.039 because the guy who's the muscle, he's able to get 380 00:21:44.240 --> 00:21:46.759 he's able to make rooms so that the creative person 381 00:21:47.319 --> 00:21:49.279 can do what he does and they can both make money. 382 00:21:49.920 --> 00:21:53.119 But I think eventually the relations the relationship sours because 383 00:21:53.400 --> 00:21:55.920 the guy who's the muscle will eventually try to even 384 00:21:56.000 --> 00:21:59.599 muscle in on the creative person's territory. 385 00:22:00.079 --> 00:22:01.680 Well, you know, I found it interesting too, and you 386 00:22:01.720 --> 00:22:04.400 guys don't talk about it, but for those people that 387 00:22:04.480 --> 00:22:08.680 don't know that, the record business has always employed some 388 00:22:08.839 --> 00:22:11.720 form of organized crime to be able to get some 389 00:22:11.799 --> 00:22:15.000 of these records played. And there's I've read quite a 390 00:22:15.039 --> 00:22:18.599 few books about how important some of these guys have 391 00:22:18.720 --> 00:22:21.240 been to make or break a record. And when the 392 00:22:21.279 --> 00:22:25.440 record companies have back in back quite a few years ago, 393 00:22:25.680 --> 00:22:27.920 one of the record companies decided not to use these 394 00:22:27.960 --> 00:22:30.519 guys to be able to get some of the records played, 395 00:22:30.519 --> 00:22:33.000 and they showed them how powerful they really were. And 396 00:22:33.039 --> 00:22:36.039 we're talking we're not talking about chicken feed in terms 397 00:22:36.079 --> 00:22:39.640 of money, either we're talking about real serious money for 398 00:22:40.279 --> 00:22:44.079 getting this sort of done so. And in your book 399 00:22:44.119 --> 00:22:46.000 it's it's numerous stories. 400 00:22:46.039 --> 00:22:48.680 It's going to say that Dan that the probably was famious. 401 00:22:48.720 --> 00:22:52.039