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Speaker 1: Thanksgiving is upon us.

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Speaker 2: Here on beat on It, we're gonna break down the

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Thanksgiving trio as well as Black Friday up next on

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Speaker 1: Welcome into bet on It.

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Speaker 2: Kelly Stewart here joined with Yanni the Greek and Marco

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D'Angelo of wager Talk dot Com Quick Show Today a

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couple of days before Thanksgiving, so we wanted to get

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you guys some early information on the Thanksgiving and Black

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Friday slate. If you guys are looking for the college

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football edition to bet on It viaut Wednesday night on

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the wager Talking YouTube channel, as well as the Sunday

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and Monday night football games for the NFL. All right,

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we're gonna get right into this, guys. I got my

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Odds logic screen open and we're gonna go rotation order down.

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Green Bay starts at one pm Eastern on Thanksgiving, taking

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on Detroit. They are a two and a half point

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underdog pretty much across the board total forty nine and VR.

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I'm gonna let you go first.

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Speaker 1: We're gonna do roundtable style kind of like we used to.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I don't want to paint myself into a corner

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because I haven't gotten to the window with the Thanksgiving

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games yet. I have released two NFL games for Sunday,

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also a couple of college football, but still working on

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these Thanksgiving games. Because the market's a little bit different.

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You gotta remember each market, it depends on the participants

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and when you get to a weekend like this where

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there's a lot of people all from work, a lot

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of primetime standalone TV games, betters are looking for action.

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So there's gonna be a lot of public money overwhelming

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the betting market, which should force a lot of line

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moves that are not sharp money related. So it's a

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very different read of line movement. Here's what we had

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for this game. It opened minus three. That was to

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look ahead N forty seven now two and a half.

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That's a big movement considering the books should expect Detroit money.

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They're a home team. Power rating wise, they're a little

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above green Bay. I have Detroit as in the top five.

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I have green Bay right outside of my top five.

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Detroit's had the tougher strength of schedule. The defense for

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green Bay has been their strength top five in the

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NFL efficiency wise. They will get tested against the top

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five offense this week, but it's on the defensive side

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of the ball that Green Bay is going to have

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a little bit easy go of it, meaning their offense

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has been their weakness, because you gotta remember the last

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three games that the Packers lost, they only allowed ten

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points and they lost that game. They allowed sixteen points

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and they lost that game, and they allowed thirteen points

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and they lost those games. So three games that they

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defense allowed less than sixteen points and the offense was

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and able to get them a W. In two of

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those games it was thirteen or last points they allowed

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and still didn't get the W. So it's the offense

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that's been struggling. Fortunately for them, they're going up against

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a weaker defense than they have of late. In fact,

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Detroit's not even in the top ten efficiency wise, but

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again they have had a top ten strength of schedule

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where it sits right now. If this was the game's

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kicking off in an hour from now, I would be all.

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Speaker 4: Over Green Bay.

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Speaker 5: In a teaser.

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Speaker 3: I would take them up the plus eight and a half.

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Even though the total seems to be moving towards the over.

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That's not a surprise because the recreational betters will be

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betting this game over the total, so a lot of

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the bettingston gets know that, especially a weekend like this,

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they're gonna get out ahead of the market that's betting

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from a position to strength. They go over forty seven,

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This gets the fifty. By Thursday. They're in the driver's seat.

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They have a nice middle, they have play CB ticket

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in their pocket, they have, you know, a great position

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they find themselves in. So don't conclude that the overs,

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you know, a legit steam move. Follow that odds logic

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screen and see if there's any resistance as the total

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takes upwards past that forty nine, because I have it a.

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Speaker 4: Little bit lower. I actually made my total forty seven,

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forty seven and a half, but I'm respecting the money

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move that's forced it up the forty nine. So that's

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where I stand.

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Speaker 3: I like Green Bay in a teaser right now up

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to eight and a half and I lean under. But

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the market is respecting the over money early on, so

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I have to, you know, monitor the line and see

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if I'm going to take any side, any position on

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the total.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm with VR here.

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Speaker 2: I tas the Packers with the Jets and the Patriots

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Cardinals might still be an option for some of you,

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but not for me, at least none of those minus

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one ten teasers.

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Speaker 1: Marco D'Angelo before we started, VR said.

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Speaker 2: I might be an idiot for liking Bay, and I said,

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you're supposed to stay it out live on air.

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Speaker 1: So that I can teet up to Mark and be

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like Marco, is VR an idiot?

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Speaker 5: Well, I'm not gonna call VR an idiot that I

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can't disagree with the the teaser bit. I am going

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to address, you know, the point that you made about

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the initial move from three to two and a half.

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that is before last week's games were played. So the

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knee jerk reaction from watching last Sunday is the public

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saw Green Bay take care of Minnesota, or I should

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say JJ McCarthy took care of Minnesota. But they look

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good in winning will Detroit. Although we cast our team total,

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we needed over time to get that one home, and

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I'll take it because I've lost plays, you know, in

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bad fashion before, so I'll take the gifts sometimes. But

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people are looking saying, hey, Detroit had to struggle with

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the Giants and had to go to overtime. So I

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think that's why you saw the initial tick go from

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three to two and a half. Now, with that said,

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I'm gonna bash myself for being an idiot. I was

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so locked into the team total on Detroit last week

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that you know, I saw it, but I ignored it.

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That was as big of a sandwich game as you

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could have for the Lions last week. Think about it.

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Speaker 1: You're the.

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Speaker 5: I know, but I was locked in on that. Oh

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the over on the team total with Detroit, and I

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felt because they played so badly on Sunday Night that

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they wouldn't lay an egg. But think about it, Sunday

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night football against the defending champs, Thursday, Thanksgiving Day against

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green Bay, who embarrassed Dan Campbell on Opening Day. If

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you remember they to the final score doesn't tell the

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story of that game. Detroit was never in that game

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against green Bay. And if you remember all the knee

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jerk reactions after that game because Detroit could not move

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the football, Yeah, I remember their.

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Speaker 4: Phony, they're done.

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Speaker 3: They lost their offensive coordinator, defensive coordinator, this team sign Yeah.

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Speaker 5: And what did Dan Campbell do? And that's why I

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you know, I've locked into team totals on Campbell because

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when he gets embarrassed, he's the bully on the block.

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He has to go out and you know, and prove

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his worth and what he do. He ran the score

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up on the Bears the following week against his former

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offensive coordinator. He was throwing the football in the fourth

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quarter with a monster lead, put fifty two on the board.

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That's why, you know, I picked these spots. You've got

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to understand coaches, and you know, shout out to one

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of our listeners, Kelly. If somebody a comments section, I

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love all of you guys, but my god, you don't

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like money. Somebody called me out for giving winners on

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team totals, like, oh, some totals. I don't want to

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I don't I don't want to.

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Speaker 2: Hear about anything that anybody cares about betting. You have

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to remember five years ago we were all betting Russian

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table tennis and Mexican soccer matches that were probably fixed.

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Speaker 5: Give me a break, Kelly, I had you betting WNBA

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props this summer.

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Speaker 1: For fact you did, Marco.

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Speaker 5: Take money where it's at. But as far as this

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game goes, I am gonna live by the process. And

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the process is If Detroit was in a sandwich spot

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last week, that means they were looking for this one.

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I'm gonna take Detroit in revenge. I think Dan Campbell

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is going to put the pedal to the medal the

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whole way here. Reason I'm not jumping up and down

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for a team total here is because Green Bay does

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have a good defense. And you know there is that

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elephant in the room. We all know that Detroit and

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I don't have to remind Kelly of a particular Thanksgiving Day,

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but they have laid some major eggs on Thanksgiving.

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Speaker 2: So glad that I don't have to touch a Thanksgiving

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game this year for survivor.

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Speaker 1: Maybe my family will not hate me this year.

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Speaker 5: So go ahead for me. I like Detroit in this one.

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Speaker 2: All right, guys, we have a Thanksgiving promo here at

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Speaker 1: Where are you there?

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Speaker 2: He is?

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Speaker 1: We got a fill in producer today.

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Speaker 2: Dan Alexander is traveling, and I think John Hoaglin's a

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little bit mad about that Bears beat down. Still Thanksgiving

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special seven days for sixty seven dollars? Are you guys

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doing that weird kid thing here? What happened to the

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sixty nine dollars?

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Speaker 1: Anyway? Right now?

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Speaker 2: Through Sunday at midnight, you can secure seven full days

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That includes any of their five percent best bets normally

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priced at thirty five dollars individually.

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Speaker 1: So at less than ten dollars per day.

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Speaker 2: You guys want to jump on that seven days or

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sixty seven dollars, you.

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Speaker 1: Guys just me. I get it, Yeah, I get it.

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I get the kid thing. And what are you gonna do?

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Speaker 2: I don't understand it, but we're gonna we're gonna lean

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into that. I got the Odds Logic screen back open.

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We're gonna go right back to these things giving games

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Kansas City. Marco is Wow, this is interesting. There's a

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lot of three starting to populate on the Odds Logic screen. Yes,

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Juice minus one sixteen, at super Book minus one fifteen,

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at Circa minus one eighteen, at some prominent books. They're

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not here in the United States total fifty two. This

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is interesting, Marco, because I was on the Dallas Cowboys.

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They were my barking dog on Sunday and as I said,

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fade my best bets Kansas City got the win, but

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not the cover for me. But Dallas man twenty one nothing.

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I said, turn this garbage off. I'm gonna go to

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the beach or go do something else with my Sunday.

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And next thing I know, here come the Cowboys. Was

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that more of the Cowboys kind of getting their offense

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going dack not making mistakes or was that more of

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the Eagles just letting that game get away from them,

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because the Eagles in the first half was a completely

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different team in the second.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, And that's a mirror image of the first game

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when when Philadelphia and Dallas played, if you remember that

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was the opening game of the season. Both teams went

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up and down the field. It was twenty one to

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twenty at halftime, and I was holding the I think

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it was like over forty seven and a half or something.

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I said, oh wow, I'm good here. And then there

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was only three points scored in the second half. I

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blamed the Philadelphia Eagles. Okay, when you've got a twenty

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one nothing lead in a game, how in the hell

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do you only run the football eighteen times for the

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entire game and your running back is sheche Kwan Bok

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League what's wrong with you?

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Speaker 1: You know?

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Speaker 5: And this has been a problem that drives me nuts

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with Philadelphia, and I'm sure it drives you know, our

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regular producer Dan nuts too with some of the decisions

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that this coaching staff makes. But here's the thing, Kelly,

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and it's funny that we've got this game on Thanksgiving

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because the gambling gods took one away from you with

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Kansas City that you really deserve to win. That team

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dominated four hundred and ninety four the two hundred and

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fifty five yardage against Indianapolis, yet had to go to

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overtime to win by three. And then the Cowboys come

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the other direction from down twenty one. So the gambling

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gods giveth, then they taketh, and they all should balance out.

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for me. Everybody is now starting to jump on the

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Dallas bandwagon. Why because oh, they made a trade, it's

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a trade deadline. They got quinnin Williams. It's turned a

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defense around. Look what they've done the last two weeks.

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Stop people. Two weeks ago they played the Raiders. The

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Raiders the worst offense in football. Okay, the Browns embarrassed

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them on Sunday. They couldn't do anything against the Browns.

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So stop with the Dallas defense. Last week Philadelphia twenty

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one quick points and you don't run the football anymore?

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What's wrong with you? Okay, Kansas City is going to

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expose the defense. It's not fixed. Yes, Dallas's offense is good,

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but guess what they're going against. The best defense they

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faced all year, this Kansas City defense. They've last six games,

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They've held five of the six opponents to twenty two

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or fewer points. Only one opponent is top one hundred yards.

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And if you become one dimensional, and I know Pickens

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is having a great year with Dallas. Yeah, Pittsburgh got

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the short end of that trade, but you know if

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they got to go one dimensional, Dak's gonna fill the

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pressure with that pass rush. I'm taking Kansas City either

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four and two in their last six games. The only

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two games they lost was the Buffalo and Denver, still

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two good teams, and they were both by seven points

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or less. I'll take Kansas City, and I think this

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is going to be a high scoring game. I got

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KC thirty one twenty four.

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Speaker 2: Marco, I guess I have questions, where's that scoring going

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to come from from Kansas City. I'm gonna let VR

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answer that one because I head to you know, initial

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thought process here fifty two and a half.

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Speaker 1: I thought, wow, that is that is high.

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Speaker 2: For a Kansas City team that just consistently goes under

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their total. If you guys watch opening line report yesterday,

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Teddy made me bust out this guy and said, if

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you like the over, bet it now. It's now a

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point and a half higher a VR, are we too

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late to bet the over? And b do you agree

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with Marco that this is the defense to get the

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Kansas City offense going.

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Speaker 3: Well, yeah, you're definitely not getting the best of it

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as if you would have bet a little earlier on

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the over, because the look ahead was forty nine, you're

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now looking at fifty two, so obviously some of the

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value has been extracted. But as you get up over

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those fifties, again, the higher the scoring, the more the variants.

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Speaker 4: The lower the scoring, the lower the variants.

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Speaker 3: So that's why I don't get as concerned once those

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totals go above fifty, like fifty four, fifty five, fifty

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six to fifty seven, not a big difference between a

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point point and a half compared to when you're in

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the thirties. Going from you know, thirty six and a

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half to a thirty eight, that's a big difference. But

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I would have preferred to debt at earlier, and I've

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mean the same way over. In fact, I had this

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my total set at fifty, so I kind of.

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Speaker 4: It wasn't enough of an edge from the opener to

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get involved. But I was hoping.

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Speaker 3: Maybe with that Kansas City defense, they dropped that total

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some steam under and I could come in on the

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over had a better number, But that didn't happen. They

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saw what Marco saw that they do expect some points.

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And the reason is the Dallas defense. There's only one

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team that's worst efficiency wise, and that's what the twenty

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sixth toughest schedule, So Dallas has had only what six

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teams have had an easier schedule than Dallas, so they've

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had a very schedule, and yet only one team has

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been worse defensively. So even though Kansas City is barely

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in the top ten offensively, which is pretty impressive, when

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you have the number two defense and your offense is

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still number ten, they're gonna have an easier go of

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it this week. So I do think Kansas City is

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gonna have some success offensively. On the flip side, where's

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Dallas going to get their success? Because again, they may

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be a top ten offense, in fact, I have them

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sixth inefficiency, but they're.

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Speaker 4: Going up against a number two.

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Speaker 3: And with Kansas City they had a top fifteen strength

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of schedule, So this defense is legit, like they've done

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it with a tougher strength of schedule or with the

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Dallas Sure the offenses is top ten, but they've done

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it with a really easy strength of schedule. Let's see

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how they perform against the number two. We'll find out

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on Thursday. So everything I see on paper leans to

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the Kansas City side except the line move that opener

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from three and a half down to three. Yes, the

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three is on the Kansas City side, so you're getting

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three at a discount on Dallas. But I do have

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to pay attention to that it didn't move in the

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other direction. Now, some of that has to do with

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the recency bias that you know, how Dallas look, They're

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coming off back to back wins. They just beat Philadelphia,

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So again, is that the reason for it?

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Speaker 4: And when we look at Case. Yeah, they beat a

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big win.

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Speaker 3: For them last week Indianapolis, but they came in limping

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having lost, you know, two of three. The thing with

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Case is this, when they win, they win with margin.

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This year's been different other than that last week with Indianapolis.

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If you check their games out, when they win, they

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win with margin. That wasn't the case last year. When

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they lose, though, they don't lose by margin, which tells

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you that they've had a lot of bad luck. This

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is a much better team than the record reflects even

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That's why power rating wise, I have a six and

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five team in my top five power ratings because of that.

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Speaker 4: So I like Kansas City. I agree with Marco.

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Speaker 3: I haven't gotten the window, but right now it's favorite

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or pass for me as well. I also agree with

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that over just not sure I could get the window

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based on that line movement.

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Speaker 2: All right, speaking of line move and it's completely predicated

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on a guy named Joe Burrow Baltimore. Pretty much seven

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across the board, there is one very sharp we'll call

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it prominent book not in the United State.

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Speaker 1: It's got to be careful now here on the way.

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You're talking YouTube channel, because you get in trouble for

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that kind of thing.

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Speaker 2: But they are at six and a half minus one thirteen,

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So very interesting whenever we see stuff like that pop

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up VR because kind of makes your spider senses go

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off and go, hmm, are they baiting everybody in? Come

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on in, guys, the water is warm. You want to

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bet the Ravens under a touchdown?

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Speaker 4: Listen.

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Speaker 3: They make it easier for us because we have a

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look ahead to compare. So we know that the look

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ahead was eleven and a half. That was the situation

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now was going to play, and the official the first

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adjustment was back down the six and a half. So

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the drop off they concluded was worth five points. That

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that's the drop off to the number one guy moving

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up now to Burrow.

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Speaker 4: Five point is the is the increase? I don't think so.

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Speaker 3: Here's why. Even though you look at Flacco career wise,

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or more important, look over his last ten starts, his

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QBR was about a seventy point six. When you look

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in twenty twenty five, which matters this year, it's over ninety.

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So his QBR is above a ninety. He's playing good.

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It's not like he hasn't played well, and they're just

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not winning football games.

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Speaker 4: That's that's the situation. When you look at Cincinnati and.

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Speaker 3: They're not even covering games, and now all of a sudden,

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just because that starting quarterbacks coming in. I get Burrow's

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the stud, but now you're getting less points like that.

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Speaker 4: If you would have got out.

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Speaker 3: Ahead and got the look ahead, then yeah, great bet.

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But now that's been factored in that we know the information,

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we know he's playing. The price has been adjusted for

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him playing, and I think it's been over adjusted. I

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really do. I like the Baltimore side. I like how

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they've been playing. I like their coming in winning games

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and not outperforming the betting market. They were two touchdown

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favorites only won by field goal the week before. They

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were eight point favorites, only won that game by seven. Like,

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they're not covering, but they're winning five straight wins. They're

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playing at home where we know they have one of

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the strongest home field advantages close to two points, which is.

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Speaker 4: A lot in the NFL.

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Speaker 3: And even with all their problems they had at the

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quarterback situation, they're still a top ten offense, top ten defense,

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and they've had a top ten strength of schedule.

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Speaker 4: So this Baltimore team another six and five.

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Speaker 3: That's legit and top ten in my power ratings, where

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Cincinnati I only have five teams that Cincinnati.

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Speaker 4: Would be favored over on a neutral field.

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Speaker 3: So add all that in, add the Burrow, and I

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think that gives you Baltimore at discount. Again, haven't gotten

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to the window, but I do like the Baltimore sign.

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Almost wish this was seven and a half. Kel Yeah, yeah,

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I could just green Bay Baltimore and tease it.

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Speaker 4: I want to break my own rules, but I can't

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do it. I'll be forced to lay this because you

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can eve like six and a half right now? Minus

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one twenty not a bad bet?

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Speaker 2: All right, Marco, do you think this is a Bilo

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spot on the Ravens. I'll call you our AFC North expert.

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Speaker 5: Well, great segue. Remember a month ago, Kelly, right here

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on bed on it, I said, everybody take the two

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and five Baltimore Ravens to win the AFC North. Well,

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fast forward a month, guys, take a look at the standings.

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Who's in first place in the AFC North. Yeah, it's

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the Baltimore Ravens. They've run off five straight wins, and honestly,

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you know people are. One of the reasons why they're

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so hept up here on Cincinnati is, Yeah, the Joe

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Burrow factor coming back. But Baltimore has been winning but

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not blowing people out. They've been just doing what they

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need to do. Now you're gonna see in the next

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three weeks what Baltimore is all about. Because Baltimore can

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put a hammer lock on the AFC North in the

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next three weeks. Why because they play Cincinnati this week,

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Pittsburgh next week, and Cincinnati the week after. It could

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be all over in three weeks and Baltimore have the

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AFC North locked up. I am looking at Baltimore in

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this game. Yeah, Joe Burrow's coming back, but let's be realistic. Okay,

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he's playing on a short week. He hasn't played since

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Week two. Is he ready to trade points with Lamar Jackson?

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Because one thing about it is no matter who's behind

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center for the Bengals, they still got the same defense

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on the field, and that defense is absolutely trash. They

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haven't been able to stop anybody last nine games. Seven

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of the nine games they've allowed twenty eight or more points.

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Guess what the two games they didn't allow twenty eight points.

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They allowed twenty six and twenty seven. They cannot stop anybody.

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This will be a breakout game for Lamar Jackson. I

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like Baltimore. You know what else I like? Sorry, guys,

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I'm bringing you a team total. I'm all over Baltimore

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over thirty and a half because they're gonna have to

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score points because Joe Burrow's back and he's gonna score points,

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which will keep them proving Baltimore didn't have to score

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a lot of points because they were playing bad teams.

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They were never threatened. But if Joe Borow does score

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some points with the Bengals, that's going to force Baltimore

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to answer and keep answering. How they don't go over

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thirty and a half. I don't know. Unless bad weather

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breaks out Thursday night in Baltimore. That's the only thing

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that stops this one. I'm taking Baltimore team total over

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Kelly Well.

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Speaker 2: That'll make Aeron Epstein happy because she is gonna be

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there freezing her tail off at the game. Hopefully the

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weather does subside. I think it's gonna be a pretty

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good game, and again, I wish that it would hit

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seven and a half so that I can tease it,

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but I don't think we're gonna get that lucky Marco.

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Speaker 1: I mentioned how well you know.

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Speaker 2: The AFC North, but let's see how well you know

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the NFC North. Because the Chicago Bears are a seven

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point underdog as it stands right now, there is one

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six and a half down here and little Old Florida

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the hard Rock. So either the delay is on the

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odds logic screen or maybe just maybe they're baiting somebody.

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Speaker 1: To come on in and bet the eagle.

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Speaker 2: I'm not sure which, because I've been dead wrong about

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the Chicago Bears team several times this year, and frankly,

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I don't want to keep being wrong. So tell me

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how not fraudulent the Chicago Bears are.

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Speaker 5: Well, Kelly, you were right. They are fraudulent. Okay, they're

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eight and one the last nine games. But before you

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start printing those playoff tickets, let's just pump the brakes

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because they only beat one team, one team in that

478
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nine game stretch that had a winning record in that

479
00:25:32,880 --> 00:25:37,200
one team is the fraudulent Pittsburgh Steelers. Okay, that's the

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only team they beat, and they were life and death

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to do it thirty one to twenty eight. Do you

482
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want to know what the combined record, including the Steelers

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record is in their eight wins, twenty seven and sixty one.

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Chew on that a little bit. Twenty seven and sixty

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one is the combined record of the eight teams they

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have beat during this streak. The Bears defense is not

487
00:26:00,920 --> 00:26:03,440
good and it's going to be exposed by a Philadelphia

488
00:26:03,480 --> 00:26:07,759
offense that should be able to get their running game going.

489
00:26:07,839 --> 00:26:11,839
I was just livid that they weren't running the football

490
00:26:11,960 --> 00:26:14,759
last week. With a twenty one to nothing lead, Barkley

491
00:26:14,799 --> 00:26:18,559
should have a breakout game. And here's the problem. Chicago

492
00:26:18,640 --> 00:26:22,400
can't stop a traditional running game. Okay, and the Steelers

493
00:26:22,440 --> 00:26:25,960
went wild on the ground against them last week, but

494
00:26:26,079 --> 00:26:28,920
a turnover hurt them in that game, a key turnover.

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The situation with Philadelphia is they're a dual monster on

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00:26:34,200 --> 00:26:36,640
the ground because you got to worry about the traditional

497
00:26:36,759 --> 00:26:39,079
running game with Barkley, you got to worry about that

498
00:26:39,240 --> 00:26:44,440
passing game downfield with AJ Smith and company. But you

499
00:26:44,640 --> 00:26:48,000
also got to worry about Jalen Hurts taking off with

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00:26:48,039 --> 00:26:52,119
the football. I don't see the Bear stopping Philadelphia. I

501
00:26:52,279 --> 00:26:54,400
like Philadelphia in this one. And then you want to

502
00:26:54,440 --> 00:26:59,079
talk difference in defense. Philadelphia has held five straight opponents

503
00:26:59,319 --> 00:27:02,599
to twenty four or less, and that's going to be

504
00:27:02,680 --> 00:27:05,119
bad news for Caleb Williams if he's got to try

505
00:27:05,160 --> 00:27:08,319
to win this game through the air, if they don't

506
00:27:08,480 --> 00:27:11,720
get balance attack, and if you look at it against

507
00:27:12,440 --> 00:27:15,039
crap teams. I gave you the record of what they've

508
00:27:15,079 --> 00:27:19,559
been playing last three games. Caleb Williams, where everybody's singing

509
00:27:19,599 --> 00:27:24,079
his praises, He's only completed fifty five of one hundred

510
00:27:24,079 --> 00:27:26,960
and three passes. That's not a good percentage for an

511
00:27:27,039 --> 00:27:30,559
NFL quarterback. I see him having to force the issue

512
00:27:30,680 --> 00:27:33,640
coming from behind and that's going to create a turnover

513
00:27:33,799 --> 00:27:38,720
or two by interception. I'll take Philadelphia thirty four to twenty.

514
00:27:38,759 --> 00:27:40,440
I'm laying it with Philly.

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00:27:40,519 --> 00:27:42,599
Speaker 2: All right, Yard, do you agree with Marco? Is this

516
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a by low spot on Philly after choking things away

517
00:27:46,160 --> 00:27:47,720
there in Dallas on Sunday?

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00:27:48,400 --> 00:27:49,680
Speaker 4: Yeah, it really is.

519
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Speaker 3: Not only is there the recency bias against the Philadelphia

520
00:27:53,799 --> 00:27:58,960
side off that loss, but Chicago's pony. We talk about

521
00:27:58,960 --> 00:28:01,160
the power ratings in college football, how you're able to

522
00:28:01,200 --> 00:28:05,559
take advantage and even though we don't have ratings from

523
00:28:05,680 --> 00:28:09,839
you know, coaches, poll or journalists or anything like that

524
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to take advantage of the narrative.

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Speaker 4: We still have the records, and when you look at.

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Speaker 3: Chicago, they're an eight and three team, just like Philadelphia.

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00:28:18,279 --> 00:28:19,200
Speaker 4: But here's the difference.

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00:28:19,680 --> 00:28:23,920
Speaker 3: With Philadelphia power rating wise, only five teams would be

529
00:28:23,920 --> 00:28:26,920
favored over them on neutral field base on my power rating,

530
00:28:27,240 --> 00:28:30,359
probably four would be favored over Philadelphia, so they're top

531
00:28:30,400 --> 00:28:34,960
five power rating. Chicago they're not even in my top twenty.

532
00:28:35,400 --> 00:28:38,480
They're outside the top twenty. So there may be ten

533
00:28:38,559 --> 00:28:43,640
teams that Chicago should be favored over on a neutral field. Now,

534
00:28:43,680 --> 00:28:46,480
obviously the job of the joke books is to balance

535
00:28:46,920 --> 00:28:50,759
their risk so that they profit. It's not the predict outcomes.

536
00:28:51,200 --> 00:28:55,160
And with the Chicago that's the situation where they're they're

537
00:28:55,200 --> 00:28:58,440
winning football games, but it has to do with their

538
00:28:58,480 --> 00:29:02,480
strength of schedule. They've had the thirtieth toughest strength of schedule.

539
00:29:02,759 --> 00:29:05,960
Only two teams had an easier go of it, and

540
00:29:06,079 --> 00:29:10,319
yet they don't have a top fifteen offense efficient efficiency wise,

541
00:29:10,559 --> 00:29:14,799
they don't even have a top twenty five defense. Defensively,

542
00:29:15,200 --> 00:29:18,720
there's only five or six teams that are less efficient

543
00:29:18,960 --> 00:29:20,200
than the Chicago Bears.

544
00:29:20,720 --> 00:29:24,680
Speaker 4: And like I said, offensively, there's middle of the pack.

545
00:29:24,960 --> 00:29:28,920
Speaker 3: Not in the top fifteen, they're like seventeenth. So this

546
00:29:29,039 --> 00:29:31,880
is a team that's been the beneficiary of an easy

547
00:29:31,960 --> 00:29:35,519
strength of schedule. Only two have had an easier go

548
00:29:35,680 --> 00:29:41,000
of it Philadelphia not so Lucky, the fourth toughest schedule

549
00:29:41,119 --> 00:29:43,920
in all of the NFL. And they've managed a top

550
00:29:43,960 --> 00:29:48,240
ten offense and a top five defense. That's a legit team.

551
00:29:48,960 --> 00:29:52,799
And now you're getting them at a touchdown, a discounted touchdown.

552
00:29:52,880 --> 00:29:54,839
Even I could lay six and a half right now

553
00:29:55,119 --> 00:29:56,079
with Philadelphia.

554
00:29:56,839 --> 00:29:59,920
Speaker 4: I love the Eagles here. Money line them to death.

555
00:30:00,440 --> 00:30:02,799
That's the play anything less than.

556
00:30:02,759 --> 00:30:05,200
Speaker 3: Like three three point fifty where they just got to

557
00:30:05,240 --> 00:30:07,200
win this game, you know, three out of four times

558
00:30:07,200 --> 00:30:09,279
to break even. Because they win this game four out

559
00:30:09,279 --> 00:30:10,960
of five times. You know, this is a minus four

560
00:30:11,079 --> 00:30:13,599
hundred money line is where they should be, meaning they

561
00:30:13,640 --> 00:30:16,240
don't lose the game out right at home. Just look

562
00:30:16,240 --> 00:30:19,119
at the splits. So I like the Eagles here. I

563
00:30:19,160 --> 00:30:21,759
agree with Marco having gotten to the window. Need to

564
00:30:21,759 --> 00:30:25,640
see how the market reacts to my pick. I respect it,

565
00:30:26,519 --> 00:30:27,079
so we'll see.

566
00:30:27,119 --> 00:30:30,319
Speaker 4: But I do like Philadelphia as well, all right.

567
00:30:30,079 --> 00:30:33,440
Speaker 2: I just wanted to wish everybody a very happy Thanksgiving.

568
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I hope you guys enjoy the day with your family,

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and we always appreciate you hanging out with us here

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on the Wager Talking YouTube channel, especially here on bet

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on It.

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Speaker 1: We'll be back tomorrow Wednesday afternoon.

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Speaker 2: Per usual, we're going to do our full college football

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slate as well as Sunday and Monday NFL. Thank you

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00:30:52,119 --> 00:30:53,799
to Marco, thank you to VR, and thank you to

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all of you guys at home. Happy Thanksgiving.

