Speaker 1: All the damn work. I'll put it in with you.
You fisto, What can.
Speaker 2: You do with this person who's new? So they look good,
You look good and everybody's safe well as well.
Speaker 1: Put him on a black leather jacket.
Speaker 2: A black eye.
Speaker 1: Jeff Lippman. It looked like she was too slow for school,
but she came out playing the hot moon.
Speaker 2: Look really good. Boy them put him in his stew
boy them Friday and put him in his too, Boydn
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your official ww LFG review, present to you by your
friends at the Wrestling Soup. Today we are reviewing season three,
episode twelve, Not taking my Spot, which is something you'll
hear a lot in wrestling. I am former a pro wrestler, producer, trainer,
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are you, Jeff?
Speaker 1: I'm good? What's happened in everyone? We're almost on time,
We're almost on time.
Speaker 2: We're back on track. And this one starts with oh
my god, so manly man stuff.
Speaker 1: In the garage, manly men doing manly stuff in a
manly space.
Speaker 2: Yes, it's my reader and Arlen lewis training bar Bills
in sprint apparently compass to the ring. Well not apparently,
it does pretty much, but uh, I just want to
shout out to Machio Madness on X. That reminded me
this week that's this was very similar to King of
the Hill that would call Bill Bulk and Buddy Buddies
that included the voice of Randy Macho man Savage And yes, yeah,
that's pretty much what it was. Mike pushes Arlem to
be better. He said he's happy that he found a
partner like him. Uh, there's competition between them, but it's
good competition. But uh, as they say, he's not taking
my spot, he's not taking my spot. So anything you
want to say about this a manly man, man man
start of LFG for episode twelve.
Speaker 1: It's funny that somebody present to you as as a
King of the Hill thing. To me, it was like
a Rocky three segment when Apollo Creed and Rocky Balboa
were working out together when they're both training to go
after club or lang. You know, to get Rocky and Schaefe.
So I looked at it that way as the Rocky
three segment, but that's probably just a generational thing more
than anything else. But yeah, it's I don't know, I mean,
no spoiler, but it is a spoiler for our show anyway.
But for two guys to keep saying they have a
lot of chemistry together, and everyone says they have kind
of street together, I've yet to see any chemistry between
the two of them whatsoever.
Speaker 2: I agree, and it's something we'll discuss later when they
go one on one in the main event of this show.
And actually the morning meeting is once against with Matt Bloom, Booker,
t Bubbaret, and koe Kevin Owens before we get to
our Menley man Man's Match one is actually the ladies
and Booker will be in charge of Chantelle Monroe versus
Bailey Humphrey. It's pretty much like a comeback for Monroe.
She's been out for two months with a broken nose,
and apparently she asked for Bailey. Booker says that Umphrey's
timing is a lot better, but he wants more out
of her and the goal here is to have the
heel being credible against a bigger babyface.
Speaker 1: I am so into Chantelle Monroe, both in the appropriate
correct ways and in all the inappropriate ways as well.
Guilty as charged. I'm so happy to see her back.
The woman is a star. I remember when she was
on earlier this season. I think it was the first
time you'd seen her like star. So I'm great. I'm
grateful that it's not just me. I did find it
interesting that she wanted to work with Bailey, and I
think that's really cool, and Bailey wanted to work with
her as well. We'll talking about Bailey Humphries, not Bailey Bailey,
and I don't know, it's fine because you know last
episode Serena Linton, that was all sudden best friends with
PJ Vassa, but she used to be best friends with
Bailey Humphries. And now you know Bailey, you know, looks
like they've done some doc does you know, trading and
best friends here, I guess, But yeah, that was that
was it. I guess it was a power versus glory,
you know, power versus someone trying to use their head
and skill, so I was I was intrigued. I think
they sold what the idea of this match was going
to be well to me, I was digging it anyway.
Speaker 2: And for match to speaking of Star and Nathan Cranton
will be taken on Tate Wilder or I like to
call him the gentleman cowboy. So Cranton is developing at
the very good pace, but he needs work on his
selling and aggresses in this and Wilder, as we've seen
him before, he's he's a flippy kind of guy, very athletic,
but he needs to be able to tell a story.
It's not all about the flips. So Bubba Ray's going
to be in charge of this one. He says he's
going to work as magic and Booker goes, do your thing,
do your thing right.
Speaker 1: I very much was like Booker saying do your thing, sarcastically,
like I'm a better coach than you are. That they
still have that little low key rivalry. Tate Wilder is
a lot like Mike de Ruder, not physically but in
what they do and what they want to do in
their bad habits, and maybe also like Jamie as well.
So yeah, interested in seeing this, you know, but this
is one where we know both people have matriculated. So
but there was actually parts of this show not directly
related to this match, they will talk about a few minutes.
I'm sure that was actually among my favorite parts, not
just of this episode but of the season, and of.
Speaker 2: Course we mentioned it already. The main event for this
show is Mike the Ruder versus Arlem Lewis. Coach in
charge is Kevin Owens, which is really interesting since Kevin
has a high impact, brawling kind of style that could
really match Arlem Lewis. I feel Kevin is a good
coach to learn from when it comes to his style.
The goal of this match, They're gonna have tons of ideas.
These guys always have tons of ideas, but they need
to make sense. What I thought was really interesting about
this one is that Coach Bloom says they can choose
whoever wants to be the babyface or the heel, but
he feels that the Ruter, with his more dynamic style,
feels more the criter years to fill as a babyface. Otherwise,
there wasn't much directions or plans for this match given,
but yeah, besides, you know, you did tons of shit,
so trying to make it sense.
Speaker 1: Of all this, Yeah, and on that, Ko said that
his approach is to let the talent do what they
want to do, and then he'll give feedback on that.
He doesn't like the control things. I don't remember if
that's been his approach throughout the season. To be frank,
I don't remember actually saying those words, but I think
these guys both would have benefited from him actually taking
a more proactive role in it. And I don't know
that Blooms saying what he said. He also said to
Ko privately and said, let these guys control. Let's see
what they can do, because you know, maybe because they're
both sort of searching for an identity that's separate and distinct.
I mean in a lot of ways that they could
be clones, except one is much more agile than the
other one. That's why the other guy thinks he's a powerhouse,
and I'm sure he is, but but the guy will
also the Flips is twenty pounds heavier.
Speaker 2: I mean, Mike the Ruter is. I don't want to
say one of a kind, because there's a few guys
like him, but there's not too many that are as
big muscle wise that could do what he does. So
it's something special, so you got to keep it special,
which we'll see I don't think he really understands before
we go to match one. Actually, I think the segment
you were talking about is actually this one where we
see Bailey and Naytan talking about their love story on
the live NXT shows. Apparently it's an idea for producer
Ryan Katz, and it's funny because it kind of reminded
me a little bit of China and Eddie Guerrero back
in the days. So you see them talking about that,
and Bailey mentioned that her mom's it's going to be
in attendance, and Nathan goes, oh, you didn't tell me
you had a mother. I'm like, dude, so is it
the segment that you were really fond of or absolutely?
Speaker 1: And this whole thing it's like and they showed like
little bits and clips of it that apparently they've been
doing it during evolved during these tapings that the live
crowd has got to sort of see and enjoy as it. Like,
I don't know what the time span is, but you
know clearly it started with with Bailey being who's this guy?
What's up with him? And then rebuffing him and then
eventually being like ooh that's nice, which is five because
you know Bailey is an unusual looking woman to begin
with a physical specimen and everything. But you know, Noah
would say classically beautiful. Tristan Angels could be a classically
beautiful woman as well as a classically beautiful man. I mean,
the guy was mister England and the beauty pageant. I mean,
you know, he is beautiful. So it's it's I don't
want to say beauty in the beastpan sort of the story,
you know, and just the whole thing. But it seems
so cute and natural and spontaneous, and they were really
into it and it worked, and and they could replay this,
you know, on NXT on the main roster and it
would be okay there too. I just think the whole
thing is great. The only problem with it, and I'm
sure we'll get to, is that at some point during
the match, when Tristan interacted with the crowd, and I'm
not gonna tease anymore, it almost made him facy.
Speaker 2: Yes it did. We'll talk about it in match too.
But for Match one, Chantel Monroe's taking on Belly. Shantel
has bedazzled her mask because she has to wear a
mask for you know, protecting her nose. And uh and
matches her gimmick, which is the reflection of perfection. One
thing I have to say, though, I think like it's
the fifth person that I've been using the reflection of perfection.
I know there's a guy Quebec right now using the
same kind of moniker, but hey, it works. Whatever.
Speaker 1: Is he as perfect as she is? I don't.
Speaker 2: I don't think so, oh no, no, he's so Booker
mentions that, of course it's important right away to know
who's foo. Smaller heel also means she needs to up
the aggression because Bailey is no regular woman. He'll needs
to sell it by time and keep on the attack.
So it makes sense. And also that Bailey doesn't look
kind of stupid or weak because having a bigger babyface is.
It's a challenge, but there's ways to work around it,
and they did I think a great job here. Entrances.
Bailey came out first, dropped her goat, she had a
little smile, she did the little rock dance again. I
felt that she was a little bit nervous. I could
see it on her face. Maybe it's because mommy was
in the crowd. Chantel comes out great attitude, shit talking,
She had a little mirror. I feel she needs something bigger.
She almost needs someone carrying a mirror, like a sensational
Sherry was for Sean Michaels back in the day. I
think like they just should make it bigger. I like
that she you know, she sells her nose, but she
keeps the gimmick like, oh, even if I wear this,
I'm pretty entrances were great, nothing to say. It set
the tone already, and the start of the match even
sets it more because you really see the chicken shit
versus the beast. And Chantell also uses her mask as
the next use like oh you see her, like oh sorry,
my nails and this and this. They did that spinning
bump thing that they practice, uh and it worked really well.
Chantell rolled out to the outside and every time she
tried to whip Bailey, Bailey would whip her insteads showing
that she is much stronger opponent. There was a nice
bress slam and a corner splash from Bailey. Again, I
feel like Bailey working with the Undertaker. Everything looks better.
For the cut off, Chantel went nice to the back
shot block right between like on back of the leg,
and she started to focus on the legs, which is realistic.
It makes sense, and I really love that when she
was using the post, she was like for you, momy,
and she kissed the Bailey's mom. Bailey was back in,
I went for the top road splash. I mean, once
Bailey was back in, Shantal went for It was a
nice top row splash, only a two count and right
away went back on the leg for the old spot.
Bailey went for a quick inside cradle one two and
she was cut off right away with a dropkick on
the knee. Again. Everything made so much sense, and I
really love how they did the comeback where shantel atteends akissudora.
She that's where you jump on your opponent's kind of
mid sections to do like usually it's you go in
between the legs. It's a pinfall, but it was reversed
in a big bellied the back. Bailey got up and
screamed and fired up really like a babyface. She got pumped.
She got into right away like power bomb, power slam finished.
I don't know how she calls it the one two
three and she was still selling the leg easy match.
Everything was clear. You knew who was the heel, who
was the face. There was a plan from the heel
trying to you know, chomp down the tree and work
on the legs. I love this match.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I loved even before the match when we saw
a booker doing the agency and micromanaging and actually doing that,
and it really showed his genius, you know, in the business.
I mean, I love how you know, he made the lockups,
how he told them how to do a lockup, so
they make a chicken should heal, you know, look like
they're making sense. And the you know, Chantelle jumping on
Bailey's back and the spin, you know, the almost like
the windmill thing, you know, sort of like with Czari
used to do, but not on purpose. It's almost defensively.
I just I just loved all about that he was talking.
They were absorbing it in. I agree that when Bailey
came out, maybe the eye makeup doesn't help. That's very
healy ie makeup. But she definitely looked like her face
entrance wasn't much different than her heel entrance, and I
think that that was a problem. She wasn't very animated.
But as soon as Chantell came out, I didn't care
anymore because Chantelle has an interest in all caps, underscore
six times as many explanation points as your word processor
will allow. It was fantastic. I agree her compact, you know,
probably needs to be bigger. She should probably have two
guys you know on each side carrying full body length
mirrors on I sight, or like Lex Lugert and narcissist
kind of tnch whatever it is. But she's perfect. Her
body language is perfect. The way she mocks the crowd
as perfect. The way she looks, the way she laughs,
the way she walks towards someone then backs away, like everything.
She's such a natural. And one of the things this
show showed us when she was on the first time
was that that's not her personality. That's not her, that's
not her dialed up to ten or eleven. She's just
owning her character, which is why I mean, you can
see why so many wrestlers go into acting in the ring,
great selling working the leg as you pointed out, and
I've been critical of Bailey Humphreys some of her moves masks.
First of all, she had no problem doing the gorilla
press that was executed perfectly, and the finisher, which I
could I paid attention to this time or she did
it better. This time. She puts someone into a power
bomb position, but instead of them dropping them down a
power bombs, she sort of pivots them above her, almost
like it's a fireman's carry, and turns that into a
power slam. And she did it perfect freickly this time, perfectly.
That's a finisher. Now. I don't know if she had
trouble the time for balance, or maybe Chantelle just weighs
less or is proportioned differently or whatever was, but this
was perfect. If she can do this eight out of
ten times, that is a finisher and Bailey gets the win.
Mom was proud. Booker was proud. Booker was really proud
of his work. He was self high fiving. You know,
DDP is nothing on him.
Speaker 2: A little more or wits to the back.
Speaker 1: Absolutely. Bloom liked it two and he said he loves Chantella.
I'm like, Bloom, You're so smart.
Speaker 2: Who doesn't love Centel. At this point, everybody was super happy.
Chantell was relentless, Bailey looked good fighting from under even
at her bigger sign. And here's the thing, here's why
I'm so and I like that you mentioned that Bailey's
entrance compares to shant was like, eh, but if you
switch the entrance and you have Shantel coming out first
and then Bailey coming out second automatically because the other
one is such a fucking heel and you want to
fucking hate her, and you know she's all about her whatever.
Bailey doesn't need to do much, you know, just to
get the crowd behind her as a baby face. But
because she went out first and she kept the makeup,
and and because she know, I'm assuming she doesn't want
to change the character too much. She's supposed to be
a killer. She's a badass, so you're not gonna go
out there like hi, so you know I'm five and.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, yeah, Like well but did you know this?
She didn't do her like makarena, like bicep, bicep one
on down, you know, most muscular crab form. She didn't
do that. Does she think only heals flex?
Speaker 2: Because no, it's it's it's a nice little thing to
do and your interest. It's like hers, So I think
she should like always do it, you know, babyface just
had a little smile and try to have the people
do it with you at the same time, just like
the way people dance when fucking obo Femi comes out.
Ober Femi's a fucking killer, but you dance with the
guy and you're like, they go like oh, but they
could easily go bay or even free. She has the
name and the last name to have like a Goldberg
kind of shint. So there's ways for her to stay serious,
not be over the top baby and you know a
little bit like Obafemi. But again, put her second. It's
gonna be so much more natural if she the heel
was so good that the baby face's job was easy
in the match. So it's the same principle you must
apply when it comes to entrance. So goddamn, why do
you have the freaking face come out first? Anyway, thank
god they do not do the same mistake In this
upcoming match, which is Natan Crampton versus Tate Wilder, Bubba
tells state that he has to work so people are
first forced to get behind him and it's comeback, anguish
must become fire. He has to get the most emotion
out of the people with the least amount of moves.
And I love that he mentioned that because again we
mentioned it before. Tate Wilder is one of the guy
who was like he likes to do the flips and
the shiny thing, which is great, but you gotta place
them where they belong. And when it comes to Nathan,
it's all about his viciousness. Like they have to see
the emotions in this was like so great. Every wrestler
should write this down in the fucking notebook. You must
see the emotion on the face, the fists and the
body language. I'm like, yes, this this, this is like
the perfect fucking description of what you need to do.
He has to get from pretty ugly back to pretty
and Nadan goes like, oh, I'm so pretty. I don't
look like a front.
Speaker 1: Like dude, I was like, okay, the guy knows he
did incorporate that in promos at some point, So like
Johnny g Bad said, I'm so pretty, I should have
been a little girl.
Speaker 2: Well he's like, I'm so pretty that uh I'm a
I'm a pageant quator or a pageant whatever he's.
Speaker 1: Doing because I'm a bad man.
Speaker 2: But I'm a bad man. So for the entrances, I again,
thank god, I'll say it again in again, He'll came
out first, and Bubba tells him just before he crosses
the curtain, like Nathan have to be larger than life. Well, dude,
you need a fucking entrance jacket. If you're gonna have
a big personally, have big gear. There's definitely something missing
when he comes out. We were talking about how it
reminded us a little bit of a triple H, like
from Greenwich, like the the more like, uh, what's the
word I'm looking for, Like aristocrat like kind of triple H.
He had the jacket, the bowing and everything. Nathan needs
not the copy Triple Ah, but have something that's along
the lines of So it makes his gimmick even more.
Speaker 1: Like cape like a like a coptain Monte Cristo or
Charlotte Holmes and some only with a cow, but not
like Charlotte Flairwaer goes up just like one of those.
Speaker 2: Hat with a big fucking feather where he can remove it,
almost like a musketeer, where he's like bowing, removing his
hat and putting it back on. Something like that that
makes it link.
Speaker 1: Well, like a Clark cape, which I understand might look
like a giant cross, which it is, but still it's
the flag of England. Or when he's a face he
can use the British bulldog and Jack cape.
Speaker 2: Why not, I mean have a Matilda to maybe not.
It's always a problem with dogs. Remember kennel in a cell. Guys,
if you don't want Tom talking about go go on
YouTube and search kennel and a cell. Dogs need to poop.
Speaker 1: Yeah, getting scared at an aw show. There is nothing
on this.
Speaker 2: Oh good times take comes out. I love that he's
like tipping his hat, shaking hands. He's really a gentleman cowboy,
very babyface. And of course the heel entered first, he
looked like a guy you want to fucking punch in
his pretty face. So the cowboy doesn't need to do much,
but he is doing things and it just works. They
did a hot start where Naytan like attacks Tait while
he's on the second road, and I just thought that
Naytan's shots were solid, but a little bit too slow
when you attack, when you want to have that hot start,
you kind of have to attack in a fury. The
shine for for Tait, he went into a series of
pinfall It was okay. I mean pinfalls like this always worked,
but I just feel like there should have been a
few hits in there. Why because he got hit in
the back. He already got attacked. Like if a heel
comes in, you do technical stuff and then you'd go
into the pinfalls. It's kind of a smoother transition. Then boom,
I attack you from behind. I'm a fucking ass, and
then you just would pin. Of course, if you pin
him and you win, it is it is devastating for
the heels. Embarrassing. But in this case, like we know
it's not gonna stop there, I would have done something
more flashy, maybe where you know where that's where maybe
you duck something and you hit a drop kick and
another one and something flippy, and heel goes outside freaking
pissed that he's got caught by all the flashy stuff
the other guy can do. But I mean, it wasn't bad.
It's just I really feel it would have been a
little bit better because of how they started the match,
the cutoff once again, Nathan used that guillotine shot on
top of the top ropes, then his shots to the back.
You know, he bows down and he's like, get up, cowboy.
I felt he was not condescending enough like he needed
to be. You know how we said that Brax and
Cole needed arrogance instead of whininess. I feel it's the
same thing for Natan. He needs yeah, I mean get
a cowboys really arrogant, but he needs to be more.
Everything needs to be bigger, and I feel he should
speak like tait Is Benatam's like, oh, you're a cowboy,
You're disgusting, you're around.
Speaker 1: Like one word I think would have made a lot
of difference, American cowboy, Get up, American cowboy? Are you
American cowboy?
Speaker 2: I mean it's a little something that's like ooh, ooh.
It's kind of the way he says it. It's like, ooh,
you're an American cowboy. Boo.
Speaker 1: So yeah, you know, you have British look down upon
their little cousins that they're you know, that we're unkempt
and unruly and rude and uncultured, which isn't entirely wrong.
Speaker 2: So I'm not gonna say anything. I'm I'm Canadian, so
I there's a lot of great Americans out there. But
if you think it's our fault that there's a fire
going on in our forest, you're dumb, That's all I say.
Speaker 1: Because we have no fires in the United States never oh.
Speaker 2: And we can absolutely control fires and where the smoke
goes that's we control the wind. I know it, right,
I Mean that's the land of the of snow. So
we're like Storm, we control the weather. We decided that
all the smoke was going to the United States.
Speaker 1: We did I knew stormwork for the Alpha flight.
Speaker 2: Oh we could go out and but you know, let's
go into Nathan's heat. I just felt it was weird
that once the cowboy was down, Nathan picked him up
again for a souplex. What what's to have an opponent
down to pick him up again? Is it's not ideal
because the main reason about you know, all this is
you want to win, and how do you win pinfall?
I mean there's submissions and DQ and Alessa, but usually,
I mean the first thing is pinfall. So why would
you pick up somebody that's down. It's better to give
shots where the babyface bumps and kind of gets up
by himself, and then you go grab him and then
you go in the souplex. But oh, that's that's exactly
also where you you mentioned it before. He goes for
the super lex and he sees Bailey's mom in the
crowd and he's like, oh, I got ten seconds, Like
somebody's going out. The Rep's like, hey, what the hell
are you doing?
Speaker 1: You remember what he said first when he yelled, I
don't he was I didn't know Bailey Humphreys had a sister.
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, sure, her mom actually looks really young. That's true.
She probably is.
Speaker 1: I mean she's she's probably on she's probably forty five.
Speaker 2: What a gentleman? Oh that they a gentleman.
Speaker 1: It's not supposed to be a gentleman. He's flirting with
her and it's cute, and he puts his like his
his mister England uh whatever you call it, pageant sash
around her neck like he's like, like he's.
Speaker 2: Doing technically she's the mother in law, so I mean,
he hates everybody besides her. We don't know. Maybe she
made him some great meal, or.
Speaker 1: Maybe he was trying to get two sisters. I don't know.
That would be killy to get two sisters. I don't.
I don't know what he was doing.
Speaker 2: But it was some movies I can't give you the title.
Speaker 1: Right, And he looks like Prince Charming, so I don't know.
It was it was listen, it was cute, it was spontaneous.
I'm sure that wasn't in anyone's script. I think that
he was thinking about doing the whole time and said
I'm doing it, and I think that might have been
why he was his focus wasn't entirely on the match
because he was He's probably like, this is off script.
I can get a big trouble. I can get it,
and he's like, fuck it, this is never going to happen.
You know what.
Speaker 2: You have to listen to the crowd, and you gotta
see opportunities when there's some, because like you just said,
they don't always come so easy, so you gotta rap
them fucking opportunity and do it.
Speaker 1: I think he made the right move. I think I
think he had to do it. He just he just
didn't know how to turn it into a He'll move over.
That's okay. He'll learn that. With time, he'll learn how
to change it from charming to rick rude.
Speaker 2: He's simply rah but a great scene.
Speaker 1: He was simply ravishing.
Speaker 2: He was so going back to actually Bailey's mom. That's
where Nayton is. He's losing so much time with the
mom that when he gets back on the apron uh,
that's where the whole spots happened, where Tate hits him
on the back, tries to suplick him back in, but
Nathan slides behind and boom, hard shot to the back. Yeah,
he continues his heat. He he hits kind of side
to side. But once the babyface is down, I feel
you should have your your like forearm go up and
down and make it really big so people see it
and it's going to create more noise when you go
down when when the it's it's like meat on meat.
When the meat of your forearm hits the meat of
the back, it's going to make that clapping sound, and
I feel like it would have more because with the
sound you get a reaction. So you don't need to
beat up the face like NonStop like in the beginning,
where you need to have him like you beat them
up so they stay down. You're in control at this point,
so you can bam, wait a little bit, bam. So
I just feel like it was missing a little bit,
and he should work on the up and down clubs
to the back so they they're more vicious and they
make noise. He got tit in the hold, which is
great because to go back what Bubba was saying, you
got to get the crowd behind you, and that's a
great way to get the people clapping for the baby
face to get up. And that's actually what Tate did.
Babyface got up, he got cut with a knee and
a big slam. The heel goes on the top rope,
gets distracted, going like this is for you, mom, and
he kind of slipped. He made it look like it
was on purpose. He slipped because he was distracted by
the mom. But it didn't look happ It's it's like
it looks like you. You wonder is it an error
or is it a purpose? It was not the best thing.
It's that's where a rick Flair bump would have worked better.
It's like, that's for you, mom. Babyface comes in, boom,
big rick Flair bump because he got distracted the slipping thing.
I still wonder if it was on purpose or he
really slipped. They didn't talk about it, so I'll never know,
but it was not. If it was on purpose, it
was not the best thing to do. I would have
bound with a Rick Flair bump or something where the
Babyface uses the ropes to get up and crotches Nathan unintentionally.
But it's at least funny and like heels like selling
his balls and then you go from there. So instead
he Nathan went up, went for a big elbow drop.
He missed it taste, slowly got up and he really
sold well the desperation to fire like he started looking
and then got up. It could have been even bigger,
but I think the assignment that Bubba gave him to
go from you know, desperation to fire, he showed it
like better than before, like ever before. So there was
a nice bump and feed. There was good fire between
the moves. He took the time to look at the
crowd to scream to be alive, and even the crowds
started like he haw, he haw. It's always great when
the crowd starts a chant without you telling them to.
It's because you have so much fire they want to
get behind you. So babyface did a great job there.
He was stopped by a strong back elbow from Nathan
in the corner. He ran right into it and looked
great and the finish again Nathan went on top rope,
Pate bumped him. Kind of a reminder of what happened
at the start where Nathan was on the second rope
and hot start. Nathan got him in the back. It
was like a little weight wink to the beginning, and
that's always great when the baby face gets cut, like
a revenge on what happened, and uh mood salt went
two three again. That wasn't that was a good match.
Speaker 1: I thought the mets was just okay. There were there
were definitely high points. I definitely agree that tit at
the end built up the emotion you know in his
comeback spot too, you know, and the and the yiha
was really good. So obviously the crowd felt definitely to me,
I think if they took into it, if they did
some of the things that you said, making certain moves
bigger and things like that, it would have felt more
like it. But I never felt that Tate was out
of it. It was like a fifty to fifty match,
and I felt like Tate should have been, you know,
taking taking offense for like sixty five or seventy percent
of it, but really like like hurt, like he's really
trying to recover. I didn't the comeback. I never felt
like he needed to come back much. I always felt
it was a close bite. So while listen Bubba disagreed
he thought it was very good. I just was just
I just like I said, I just never felt that
he was actually out of the match, and so I
wasn't that excited when he came back from it, and
and I felt myself wondering what I'm not supposed to wonder,
which is, did somebody cute to the audience to start
cheering for him? Is there a producer going whatever? I
don't know, you know, again, just my impression, but everything
you said absolutely absolutely. You know. I wonder if if
Nathan being charming in the middle of match sort of
impacted my view of the rest match, even though I
thought that that.
Speaker 2: Was great, maybe you know what you say, like a producer,
but what if it was like another person from the
performance center starting the ehawk because they're sitting there watching
the matches, so that that could me it too.
Speaker 1: And you know what I missed at the end, we
did not get Matt Bloom comments, and I really felt
like I wanted to get Matt Bloom comments because I
wanted to see if he differed in opinion from Bubba
and if so, to what the grain. It was just
silent on that, yeah, because.
Speaker 2: We only had Bubba. He actually asked Nathan, how would
you rate the match, and Naythan said, very good. The
crowd was interested, which is absolutely true. The crowd was
not like dead silence, like there were some points where
they couldn't have been louder. And well that's exactly why
they were not as exactly the reason why you said,
like this Tate. Tate was selling. There was pain on
his face, but just like you like he It didn't
feel like he was like in a very big like
not Naytan was a threat, but not to the point where,
oh my god, like this guy is gonna die.
Speaker 1: Right, it was not. It did feel it was the
fight of his life. And and you know Jeff Hardy
does that great. And I compared Tate to Jeff Hardy
purposefully so their move set and their size, you know,
their builds. Yeah, I mean, you know I've said it now.
I mean everyone gets and they can they can judge
for themselves where they agree with me or from being
too critical.
Speaker 2: Well you know how I was saying, you know, lift
the arm, go down, make more sound, and you need
less of them because they're so impactful. That's where take
and like scream and sell us back and hold his
back and try to get up with the while the
heel is like talking crap and prancing around the ring.
There's because that shot was so it was loud, it
was good. It gives time to the baby face to
give give us that like.
Speaker 1: Desperation a your face is going to emote that. Also,
you can't go ah without your face making you know,
your eyes squint, crows, nests, wherever.
Speaker 2: It hurts, put your hand there and kind of show that.
People's like, oh my god. Like if it's your lower back,
hold your lower back, if it's your elbow.
Speaker 1: Or whatever, hold limp and go damn it something yes.
Speaker 2: And again, I'll never say it enough. In wrestling, you
never want to go down because you don't want to
get pinned, so you should always be trying to get up.
So when you're selling, go to the ropes. Try to
use the rope to lift yourself up so you're on
your feet and not on your back, because that's where
you don't want to be in a wrestling match. And
that way, while you're pulling yourself up, everybody sees your face.
You can like squint and like show like oh this
it's so hard to pick myself up because I'm hurt.
And then you it's sympathy because people are suffering with
you and they want to get behind you, and it's
just natural to start clapping and get into it. But
the heel needs to have enough time between those moves
and those the moves needs to be impactful as well,
enough so the babyface has something to sell. So if
they would have done that, I'd like the match because
there was no fuck up. It was a little part
in the middle where it was cute and funny, and
you know, Nathan was attacking, but he should have been
I don't know, putting the hair, I you know, high scratching.
Why he's not like using the Rick Flair backscratch that
would work for him, like little things that make him
more heel. And I don't know if they told the
people at the performance center not to do that, but
I never see a heel using the ropes to choke
the babyface or not much like we've seen it and
PJB and Serena lived in and one critique that I
have is that Serena was not like coughing and choking,
so we could not have any sympathy for her. But
it's something so easy that you give a big shot
to the baby face Babyface sells to the rope because
he's trying to get out. He'll comes on him and
and you know, presses him down against the rope and
he's choking while he's arguing at the referee. Get almost
of the five count and then oh, let go, the
baby face can sell and and and put his hand
on his throat and he's coughing and he's choking. It's easy.
Speaker 1: They and Tate also seems like the guy who would
launch himself into the ropes and like maybe get himself
and accidentally tangled up or in a position where Nathan
would tangle him up and take advantage of it, even
just gut shots, you know, and then slap the face
and pie face and would be really obnoxious. I don't
know if I don't know if they're at that stage
yet where they would even think or can use that
as props yet. But you're right, just using the rope says, ok,
it's pretty dark, easy to do. And then you turn
it into like a guillotine and then you you you know,
prance around to the crowd out there.
Speaker 2: Yeah, or the old school burning the face on top
of the you know, on the top rope while you're
that would be something for Nathan that would work perfectly.
I think as he's like, oh he's not gonna be
as pretty as me now or whatever. It's it's so
wrestling could be easy, but as wrestlers, and I include
myself in there, we think about too many fucking things
and we don't need that is handsome.
Speaker 1: How do you like his red face? Now?
Speaker 2: See? I mean, uh, it's the kiss principal, keep it simple, stupid,
but we don't get super idiots, or we want to
do moves that we want to. We want to we
want to impress or whatever. Anyway, so one thing that
Bubba said like he wanted Nate and should even be
like more vicious, and he said the beginning like he
should have beat down on tape until the referee pulled
them off and then go back, which is kind of
the same thing I was saying where he was giving
shots but they were slow, where he should have been attacking, attacking,
attacking to put the baby face down. But besides that, yeah, no, no,
Matt Bloom, I yeah, I would like to have his opinion,
but we didn't have We didn't have it indeed. So anyway,
two matches so far and this this show is going good, so.
Speaker 1: Ev.
Speaker 2: The main event of Mike the Ruder in Arlem Lewis
so Lewis loves that Mike not only has idea for himself,
but for him as well. He comes up with tons
of stuff like you mentioned before. Kevin lets them work
the ideas and he steps in when he feels it's needed.
He gives them tips on working Mike's lakes because he
says it's gonna be a factor in the finish. He
loves loves meaning Kevin. Kevin loves to work with people
who know who they are, and he says like if
they would be on NXT tomorrow, they wouldn't be they
wouldn't feel out of place. But then again, this match
so entrances. Mike comes out first. It's not clear if
he's a heel of her baby face. He has a
little smile, he's posing towards the crowd, but that's about it.
Lewis comes out second. Is he heel has he faced?
Nothing stands out and I wrote down boring entrance, So
at this point I have no clue who's who. I
think Mike is a baby face because he looked at
the crowd and lifted his arms. But that's my only
that's the only freaking thing they did where I could
go like, oh, I think he's a baby face.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean Harlem. I thought he did have a
little bit more nastiness in his gaze, but only a
little bit more because that's sort of his natural look.
Speaker 2: You know what they always say, work to the back
of the fucking crowd. People at the back can't see that.
Speaker 1: Yeah, you're you're right, I mean, and you're right that
the entrances didn't really tell any sort of story. Mike
de Ruder still does that same entrance. Maybe the music
is a little bit more peppy, and and he's, you know,
paired with Sean Legacy, who's who's you know, baby face
a lease of the moment. But you're right this, you know,
it could have been fifty to fifty or fifty five
forty five. It was there was no clear story in that.
And if the story was best friend's bitter rivals, okay,
but like there should have been then some jaw jacking
and and you know, pointing and some sort of.
Speaker 2: Just feel like the shaking hand but one of them
is holding the hand. It is like wink wink, Like
I'm you're my friend, but not today or with something
that tells.
Speaker 1: That's their foreheads go next to each other the whole
like you know you have the whole thing. Yeah, it's
some of that.
Speaker 2: But the start they had great technical work. Uh. It
showed that they matched on wrestling knowledge. They went into
tackles where no one bumped, which showed that they match
also on size and strength. Ar Limb went for a
pie face, kind of defining him as an eel ish
and then Mike Poses turns this back to ar Limb
and runs and Louis Studd does nothing. I was like, man,
you look like a fucking idiot. Like the guy is turning,
you're you're fresh, it's not like you know, you're in
the middle of the match. The guy is kind of
dizzy because he's been bumping, and whenever he's fresh, he's
standing there. Guy turns his back completely and he just
stays there and nothing, And I was like.
Speaker 1: Ah, I think he forgot to do what he did
the next time, which was grab him by the back
of the tights, pull him into the forearm, to the
to the kidney, which was actually done well done, but
I think he forgot to do it. The first time
and just stood there like a statue.
Speaker 2: Like said, maybe they went into a running spot that
ended like in a very strong tackle where Lewis went
down on one knee, which kind of showed that yes
they're equal, but maybe like Mike has a little bit
more patent to him. So I was like, Okay, that
kind of sells that, but that.
Speaker 1: Could Carlem fell down? Yes, I think it was too
early for that. I think they were still at their
even stage before somebody got the on up. So I
think the tate slipped, and I think that Harlem sort
of took it a little bit too harder. Maybe Mike
put a little bit too much omph into it.
Speaker 2: It was like you said, was supposed to grab him
the first time, and he did not, because I felt
this back was turned Mike for.
Speaker 1: This was arm though for for for a booker who
in the beginning is is preening like like a peacock
going Harlem has benefited from my expert tutelage a quote.
Speaker 2: So yeah that that's actually like the cutoff where Mike
goes for a nuts tackle, turns his back again, but
this time the he'll he'll ish grabs the tight forearms
to the back, he brings them in the corner. There's
a a little bit of a heat there where Mike uh,
Mike fights back and Arlem stopped him with a strong
headlock and then shoots him in the ropes. Again, we
have the first hope spot. It's it was not like
really a eat spot. And they were still going back
and forth at this moment of the match. So there's
a leaf frog drop kick, Arlem rolls out, Mike does
like an up and over your grona, which is freaking like, uh,
it's impressive.
Speaker 1: And.
Speaker 2: Go back inside and he does like a big running
boot and he doesn't go for a pin. I'm like
why why. He looks at the crowd for approval, but
there's no sound because he has no freaking fire. He's
doing moves looking at the fucking floor. So I was like, ahh,
it's it's what you see on indie shows and we're
all fucking we've all done it if you're a wrestler.
But you're like, fuck, you got a guy like Kevin
Owens like teaching you shit, you got Booker, you got babbah,
and this is happening. So anyway, he continues where there's
well eat, they go back and forth with punches, Lewis bumps,
Mike starts working on the leg. Here's one thing I
really really love there. Though Mike has a babyface, never died.
He was trying to punch, he was pushing, he was pulling,
he was trying to get out of that, which babyface
don't do enough. You should never die. Like, yes you're
in pain, Yes you gotta sell, you gotta scream, but
you're trying to get out of this like show it
like with the body language, and Mike did a great
job there. They went into like to me, reminded me
of the bolla'conno lot, but without the lift. It was
the leg crossed the same way with the body on
the floor, and the crowd started clapping. Mike fought back
with slaps and kicks, and that created separations for him
to go into his comeback, which is the good, good
old like block punch, block punch, very very good punches.
But the crowd was dead, and you know why because
they had no sympathy for micause it was just a
back and forth match. There was no suffering. Yes, he
got caught into like a leg lock or but not
enough for us to believe that he was in jeopardy.
There was a little bump and feed again with no fire.
Mike went for a tear drop soup lex. His knee
buckled and he did a nice duck line lariot combo.
No pen, no pin. If you hit the guy with
a fucking laryot, that's like almost like to the point
of like a stan Ansenn lariot the way like fucking
go for a pin, try like you it's it's fucking
It looked great, so but no pin. Ah. Then there
Lewis is outside and Mike goes SII moon salt, leans
on his feet and he does He's not selling the
leg at all. And you see Kevin Owens go like
the sight of disappointment. It was like he throws ar
Lim in the stairs. Then back inside he climbs the
top rope Mike springboard with one leg only, so suddenly
he was selling his leg again, got cut by a
you know, a good shot from mar Lim. Arlem goes
for Jackammer at ten, Mike pushes Lewis going to urkarana
one two, like a jumping your karana when one of
your legs is supposed to be kind of dead. Was
I mean they were doing falsees, back and forth finishes
or pen attempts or whatever. So after the kickout from
the Yukana, the ruter picks up Lewis, he gets kicked
in the knee and then we get the Jackammer one
two three.
Speaker 1: So I guess what I should add first? Just congratulations
to Harlem Lewis. I mean, the new Men's Evolves champion,
so good for him. The only thing that we that
we saw Ko coaching on was to work the leg
and sell that the knee was hurting. It's not an
accident that they only showed us that you mentioned the
the Bullmacano lock or whatever. I typed it as an
Indian deathlock. I'm sure I'm labeling it wrong, but whatever,
there was, the slaps to get out of that were
really weak looking, and for two bulls, those slaps shouldn't
have Those slaps shouldn't have convinced the sub lists to
let a lot uh a hold go let alone one
of those guys.
Speaker 2: You know what, It goes back to what I was
saying for Nadan, if you would to slap him a
good one like hard and then like Lewis, is is
like what the fuck? The first one he's not really
selling because he's like, what did you just do? And
then he goes again bam and then bam like slore,
but like on target, it would have been so much better.
And then he starts Lewis lets go, and then he
starts kicking him in the face, but not little kicks,
like one big kick like almost just like he wants
to sweep his freaking face out. And no, it was like, yeah,
little sessives, I say, stuck.
Speaker 1: I've seen the three Stooges slap each other harder than
this was this. This one was like cartoonishly light, like
when you know you see like you know, Ethel and
Lucy get into a slap fight on I Love Lucy.
For those who can remember that show, the leg injury,
sometimes it was there, sometimes it wasn't. And I really
think that took the crowd out of it because he
had to sell it all the time. Granted, like you know,
you hit your leg, you work through or whatever, but
you still limp or give him around a little bit
like he would do it like for a few steps,
then he would ignore it for high flying moves and
it's just and kl you could see it on his
face and he heard it goes to the one thing
I told him to do and he laughs about it.
But you know that was the leg injury was just
ignored too much that it was forgotten for large you
know amounts match what's large, I don't know, fifteen seconds,
twenty seconds, forty seconds here, but still it should have
like only been ignored during a hope spot where you
know the babyface is firing up, you know, for a
little bit, and then they pay for it afterwards. You know,
you gotta sell it at least reach down, you know,
then your leg a little bit, do a little half
a limp something. They're just it just was too much
stop and start.
Speaker 2: You know what's crazy is two match before we saw
Bailey selling the leg perfectly and was still selling after
or finish, and every time she got up she was limping.
It's that's the way to do it.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I will say that the Lewis's finisher his his
his corkscrew slam, basically the boom slangs. He's perfected it
now he's gotta When he first started doing it didn't
look so good. How it really looks good. Bloom points
out there was no emotion inspired out of the crowd.
I completely agree, And then we got what could have
been ominous words from Kevin Owhen saying Mike really is
all the talented world, but he might have trouble taking feedback,
which could have been a great cliffhanger, could have been ominous,
except we've seen Mike de Ruder be on Evolve and
already matriculate up to NXT and be on NXTTV every week.
So again my same complaint the number painting every week,
and I really think it's an impact on the show's
success and ratings wise. Where's the tension? Like if you
knew there was a new season of Survivor which twelve contestants,
and you already knew six of them weren't gonna make it,
and then you already knew that that four of them,
let's just say they were multiple winners to Survivor, that
four of them at least got to the semi finals,
why would you watch it?
Speaker 2: I mean, the tiring of this show is and knowing
that you know this verson's got lego, this person got lego,
or this one is already on NXT and you're like, yeah,
but I see a lot of things that are wrong,
and that I mean, according to my own opinion, of course,
but according to what the coaches are saying, like what
they're asking for, it's not there. And then they're on TV.
It's like, are you just telling people that you're giving
them advices? They don't listen, but they get on TV anyway,
which is fucking terrible. But I mean, I love what
mad Bloom said. He said it was a fabulous routine.
But that's about it because people, over time, people won't
care about them. You flip once, they will pop. You
do it over and over and again. They're gonna people
are gonna become quiet because it's not special anymore. And
I feel like we've seen them a few episodes before.
I feel the crowd was already there. They were quiet.
They need to be loved or hate. And the first
thing we said one they got out, we didn't know
who the fuck was the heal or the babyface. And
of course Matt mentioned that they didn't sell the leg
And you know, going back to what Kevin said that
you know he sees the ruler maybe as you know,
having a hard time taking critiques in the future. Then
you see the ruder saying like, oh yeah, the crowd
was beyond us whatever whatever, and I was like, this
is so I don't want to I don't have any
other words, but it's like shindy rific, meaning like it's
something you see a lot of the Indies, and it's
not to put down the Indies. That's where I come
from and that's where I've been all my career and
there's like fucking great talent on the Adizial never see
on TV for whatever fucking reasons, but there's so much talent.
But this is something that I see over over and again,
and I see even more today with social media because
they think that if somebody shares their fucking move for
you know, a million times, it's they're fucking great whatever whatever,
But it's it doesn't really mean anything. And the way
the ruler was like, oh my god, the crowd whatever,
it's like, you're you hear what you want to hear.
The fucking truth is that the crowd was dead. Dude,
it's in your fucking head. Do you know why because
you heard ooh and ah when you did spots, but
during the match you were not giving them a motion
and it didn't give a shit about you. And it's
not just him, it's a lot of fucking people. It.
It surprises me that I see that in WWE. I
hope I hope that since then they kinda and when
I say they, it's it's the ruder and then Lewis,
I hope they kind of got that light and their
brains go and they got the difference between on the
move and uh and people getting behind you because they
want you to fucking kick the heels of ass or
or if you're a heel, they want the babyface to
beat the ship out of you. There's a difference. I
hope they see it now.
Speaker 1: I'm not sure about Harlem mm just one man's opinion.
But the ruter he fits. As a matter of fact,
he's he's ahead of the curve of you know, most
of the people you see, especially at that stage in
X see as he should be. I mean from having a.
Speaker 2: Second generation wrestler from a promoter, He's been surrounded by
wrestling and you get a lot of again like you
get a lot of bad things from the indies, but
you get so much good. And one thing that he
has over everybody else is ring time, and just he's
been in the ring a lot. He knows his ring positioning,
like he knows where he's at when he bumps, because
he wasn't there often, like, and he's been wrestling in
different territories, so he knows how to work with different crowds.
This is something you can't fucking teach at the PC.
So he has that. And if he just like tweaks
little things according to what they're asking, what's he's there,
which you say he did with and I'm I'm like
thrilled to to though that because he's a fucking talent.
He looks great, and he speaks French and he speaks English,
so he could do like he could be like a
mainstay like in many fucking.
Speaker 1: Placing the rooking around his weakness is by putting him
in a tag team, so there's there can always be
motions somewhere, even on the outside and and all that,
and a lot of his acting has to be outside,
you know, waiting for his partner or recovering, and and
I think that is allowing him to slow things down
in his mind. And it's funny when you said you're
hearing things in your head, because I was going to
use the phrase the soundtracks in your brain? Do uh
you know you're playing applause? Soundtrack and that's okay. I mean,
if you don't believe in yourself, who with Bill? But
you also have to take coaching, which I think that
although Kevin made an ominous statement, then I think Mike
has Harlem might take coach. I'm just not sure that
he has the ability to change. It's almost like he's
afraid to get out of this zone, out of It's
almost like he's PJ Voss so that there's there's one
note and that might be there is to him, but
PJ Vas I think is playing a role. Like we've
seen her be like a charming individual, Harlem a little bit.
We've seen him being like a guys guy, but I
haven't really seen him be what I really felt was
a human being. Like so I wonder if like his
his his life was so damaged that he's he can't
let his dog.
Speaker 2: He wasn't he doesn't want to show vulnerability or you know,
anything else. Then I'm a badass. But yeah, uh, there's
so much you can do being a badass. Steve Austin
was a fucking badass, but he would suffer. He would scream,
like just just think about the freaking mess with Bret
Hart when he was like, oh, bloody and screaming and pain, Like,
he's still a fucking badass. He he was even more
of a badass because he wasn't pain and he was
bloody screaming, but he fought back. That's why he's a badass,
because through the suffering and the pain and hurting, he
fucking gets up and beat the shit up the person
who heard him. Oh fuck, I feel like people don't
get that.
Speaker 1: You.
Speaker 2: There's a wrestler in Quebec. I won't name him. He
doesn't want to lose, okay, And it's like sometimes like
oh the crowd is quiet between his matches. It's like, well, dude,
they never see you lose. They never see you being
in a You need to be able to relate to
wrestler to kind of get behind him. If you always
see someone winning, never struggling whatever, it's not real life
because you struggle, You have obstacles in your life. And
when somebody you see somebody struggling, because you've been there,
you know how it feels. You want to get behind him.
It's like you can get up, just do it. Do it.
If you're always winning, and I know, like in real life,
I'm not I was like, why would I cheer for you?
I don't give a shit, and so yeah, badass. Yeah,
but a badass goes through trial and tribulations to have
the fucking badass staple on it. It's not because like
I look like this one.
Speaker 1: I'm a man's man and.
Speaker 2: I train a fucking garage that you know, and you're
not gonna freaking buy it. And one thing I did
when Arlen won the Evolve Championship is I didn't go
and watch the match. I went and read the comments
of the people and they were like, I don't care
and whatever because you didn't give him anything to care about.
You're just out there being a beast and they can't
relate to you. So Obafemi and Brock Lesner. Fuck Brock
when he got fucking beat up or thrown over the
top rope, the fucking face and expressions he was doing.
And this is Rock Lesler. He's a legit fucking guy
who went to UFC and killed everybody and became a
champion right away. If Brock Listener can look vulnerable and
fucking surprise and like like what the fuck just happened?
If Rock Listener can and you can't dude, go back
to the drawing boards, because I'm telling you it's not
Brock that's wrong in this fucking situation, it's you. If
Brock can do it, you can too, and actually you
must do it. It's like, watch Brock, he's doing.
Speaker 1: It twenty three. You're not two ninety five, You're not
not prop Yeah.
Speaker 2: And even oma Femi you see him like struggling, but
he he fights back and he's still a badass.
Speaker 1: Right, And even as big as those guys are, like
they look like human beings, brock Lesner doesn't look like
a human beings. No, it's like somebody drew a comic
book character, like like exaggerated. Like anyway, everyone knows about
my my love Afaraoh brock Lesner in a you know,
in the in this regard. Yeah, well we'll hope for
better days. You know, I've said that. I think that.
You know, sometimes I say somebody's plateaued and then they
get stagnant. For me, Harlem's at the point where he's stagnant.
Maybe having the title will do some things for him.
I don't know, but this week I think, you know,
usually your main event is supposed to be your top match.
I actually think the opening match was by far my
top match. Very impressed with with with the ladies. You know,
you can see the raw material there with Nathan uh
and and and even Tate. I I think Tate. I
mean he's got physical skills. I can see why they
like him. And he's a handsome guy also. And actually,
this this Nathan Tate thing can be a rivalry of
you know, one's the down home, you know, nice handsome
guy and the other one is the snooty Hans guy.
And at some point they can become you know, friends
as enemies and then or friends as heels and then
friends and faces. I mean I could, I could see
it all the Ruder I've seen him do better, so
I know he can do better. And and I fear
for Harlem. They already got brown Breaker, they're developing Keano
Carter and the ruter who can do things that you
can't do, but looks like you what's his lane? I mean,
they got big shown.
Speaker 2: Did you see Bronson Reed lately?
Speaker 1: Oh my god, I never believed the photos because I
saw the picture of bmpunk looking like he was Brian Cage.
I saw him last night looking like he worked out
for four months I saw the picture of Naya Jackx
looking like she was one hundred and ten pounds model,
and I saw her looking last night, still looking like
she's two hundred and thirty pounds. Step of two hundred
and fifty pounds. Good for her, But that picture was
not the pic that was that was altered, So the
pictures of Bronson Reed being built like Zilla photo instead
of Bronson Reid. First of all, I'm not even sure
it's a good career move. I mean, get it, but
how do you do a tsunami when you're when you
were three fifty and now you're two fifty. I mean,
it's it's not It's just a splash. All the simoes
do with splash. So anyway, I'll believe it when i'll
see it. You know, a smaller bronze and with his
personality is fungible.
Speaker 2: Only time will tell, my friend.
Speaker 1: Only time will tell. And and none of them are
on LFG Zila might be one day. So anyway, Yeah,
but but I I enjoyed the episode. I thought it
was I thought that we've had two good TV episodes
in a row. I'm very happy about that. And that's
also happened with MLW last two weeks, the two good
TV episodes in a row.
Speaker 2: Very happy, sweet sweet sweet uh yeah. Same. Overall, it's
about the episode, like I enjoyed it, when by when
it goes by fast like usually it's a good sign.
And we didn't get anything from I don't know if
you did on your side in the States, but I
didn't get anything from the next episode. There was no preview,
I don't nothing, I don't have a title to give you.
Speaker 1: Not went straight into Rivals or whatever, the night legends
or whatever. The next thing is My only complaint with
this show is I wanted more Bloom. I wanted to
hear more from Bloom.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and they should give us like a little glimpse
of what's next, so they peak your interest, because if
if you're a fan too end up like you're flipping
the channels and it's oh, that's wrestling, that's new, and
you like it, and then it just ends. It's like
you don't even know if there's one next week or whatever.
But at least if there's a little something next week
on LFG, blah blah blahs, like oh fuck, okay, I
like what I saw him. I'm gonna watch it again.
Speaker 1: But you know what's words they wait. I don't know
if you got it in candle, but in the States,
around the midpoint of LFG, we got a regular TV
commercial for for LFG. You're already watching it. It's like
you could have taken that same time and done previews.
We're still next week and we're in We're now covering
week twelve. Episode thirteen drops tonight. It's Sunday in real life.
Like this is like a fourteen or fifteen week season,
So there's there's nobody trying to build whatever story they're
trying to manufacture to what happens at the end, What
happens to the end of the show. What are they
fighting for? Because we've already seen three or four people
get some type of contract, so like at least keep
It's like I sort of feel like the lack of
coming attractions as they've sort of given up the This
format is a foul or. And again it just could
have been sold by even if you had your you
were absolutely going to release all of these people. Just
wait four months. I mean, somebody the network, what is
A and E or AMC whoever they are. They're paying
you money for it. That's got to cover the four
months that you're paying all these PC and NXT talents.
Come on, folks, like, why be so shortsighted? I mean,
the WWE universe is not that devoted. Your your SmackDown
is getting TNA on Spike ratings now, So I mean
these are just easy fixes and unforced errors for goat.
Speaker 2: I was listening to a podcast this afternoon and they
were like, it's almost like they put more time in
doing whatever backstage stuff they're doing, whether it is LFG
or Unreal whatever, than the actual creative of the wrest
League show itself, because it's so blood like it's like
they plan everything so it ends up on Unreal or
maybe like they're kind of doing the same thing with
LFG where it's like, okay, but we gotta show how
this guy gets from LFG to NXT and there's no
competition anymore whatever, it's just like how to get better.
I prefer the way the coaches are teaching. I love
all the advices they're they're uh they're giving, which is
I'll say it again, if you're wrestler, you should be
watching NXT because uh, not a n XT LFG, because
it's it's free fucking coaching. Uh, there's great advice that there.
That's something I prefer from the previous season. I love
that we see the coaches in the ring with them
and explaining shit. It just like last week the way
Booker T was explaining how to do a slam and
giving like the right to thing like the advice. How
it change everything for Ank and Tank, who are like
former nxt UH tag team champions, so champions. Yeah that too,
so it's like you can always learn. That's that's something
I I love, love, love from the season. But yeah,
I mean it's it's cool that you're focusing on giving
us whatever's happening backstage, but they need to give us. Yeah,
like how how what's the end of this How what's
the the goal or what's the big like something that's
gonna happen. So oh fuck, I want another I need
another season now. It's just I watch it. I enjoy it.
But I don't know if I wasn't doing the show
with you, if I would automatically watch it every week
because again i'm watching, I enjoy, but you're not giving
me anything for next week. So uh, if I wouldn't
write it down, I would probably forget about it because
I don't have anything like, oh my god, I want
to see this, so I have to tune in.
Speaker 1: It's about the friends we make along the wailafast.
Speaker 2: It is but a journey.
Speaker 1: I don't blame you, and don't even get me started
on some of the laziness and some of the stupidle booking.
And I have always said, I know when everybody was
on Triple H's bandwagon, which I enjoyd some of this
stuff too, but I said, listen, I watched closely, and
I'm a nitpicker by nature. And he has some of
the the he also has the worst tendencies events, and
he's got the worst tendencies of Tony Kahan. Sometimes when
he gets things in the middle, it's just right. And
we're getting some of that, and he and and he
still does and they're both both promotions are in the
same trap of having monthly ples and when there's a
Saturday night's main event, they've got yet another sort of
super show or super al show that they have to do.
And it's very difficult to actually tell stories, and trilogies
now are rare, or they have to or they're done
in like seventy five days. Instead of nine months and
so everything, Yeah, everything.
Speaker 2: Fills last minute.
Speaker 1: And I don't and I don't give the excuses of
it's after wrestlemany it's the summer slow. I don't. You're
getting paid almost a billion dollars from TV companies in
America alone, plus all the other money that you're getting.
It's fifty two. There's no excuses. Work all year round.
If you need to rotate in writers like you do,
wrestlers by all means do so, you know, may five
of them. Yeah, I do not buy any of the excuses.
You're getting too much money for those excuses. Then again
they keep getting resigned. But maybe the summer Slam ticket
sales maybe that. And I know people said, oh they
got a lot of they got like five thousand tickets
sold for MSG last night sarrus Man event, But Madison
Square Garden seats like twenty one thousand, they had like
fifteen thousand or sixteen thousand. And that's New York City.
I don't care the summer, but there was fanatics vest
there and it's New York City. You can't fill up
New York City for a show with Cody Rhoads and
Sea and punk on it the Roman reigns there and
all and and a bunch of the Knicks, there's there's
trouble in Paradise.
Speaker 2: Well, here's the thing. I It's something I mentioned on
X this week and I'll say it again. Wrestling has
always been for the common men who works the regular
job and has a regular pay and uses wrestling as
an escape. And it's always been something he could afford.
Now to get a fucking tickets, it's a two week pay,
So fuck it, you're they're not doing And I include
myself in there, not going not gonna pay two weeks
of fucking hard work when I need to pay my
mortgage and bills and my car and my cats. And
if you have kids and oh and I mean, if
you have kids, you want to bring your kids on,
you're gonna pay what eighte hundred dollars to be sitting
rien time. No, Like it's ridiculous, Like they keep thinking
that it's gonna be like boxing or whatever. It's never
been this way. That's something Vince Senior and Junior new
and understood and you're like, whatever, that is what it is.
I mean, that could be a whole other show.
Speaker 1: So anyway, and it is and it's called wrestling Soup.
Speaker 2: Wrestling soup. So I'll give wrestling Soup some love. We
think Joey, we think our mish. Follow the Wrestling Suit
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Speaker 1: That's it.
Speaker 2: Absolutely, it's wonderful. Do you have anything coming up in
the next few days?
Speaker 1: Yeah, well, if you haven't gone enough for me. I
was on the White Heat podcast. It was sort of
a watch along for science main event, but I was
there for an hour and a half. I got out
at the during the Bailey Lyra match, which I like
quite a bit, and then I jumped to too Wrestling
super Friendo's own Soup de Jore on the on their
YouTube live show, and we went for about two hours
and twenty minutes. I think it was probably their best
show ever because I was there. No, well, yes, so
that was fun. If you want to check that out.
It's also on Wrestling Superfriendos on the audio. I did
a Garden of Thought today with Alex Coquito of the
podcast with the Unappreciated Wrestling Fan and the Evolve Effect
on the Wrestling super and Friendo's Feet and U and
the MLW files on the Sports Jedi Media Network with
my best friend mister Thomas. Sorry, lefister, you're a girl.
You can't be best friend, and uh, you know what
else I'm keeping busy. Next Sunday, my guest on gardener
Thought is Professor John F. White, probably the foremost Indo
European mythologist in the world. I don't even remember what
the topic is, but it probably should be the Odyssey
talking about that somewhat, and I've been chewing a zero
off about the Odyssey about some of my theories about
the Ossy, and it turns out that I learned that
there's actual scholars who support my theory. Of course it's
their theory, but I didn't know they existed until recently.
So I'm not saying I invent things, but I've come
up with a lot of things on my own that
it turns out that actually people who are PhDs and
ship and spend their lives studying these things actually have
agreed with. So yeah, I'm pretty barry HOWITTZ proud of
myself and that anyway talking too much.
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