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Speaker 1: Right time was here withstening everybody a very happy Friday
Speaker 1: and welcoming into the fifty five carssee morning show for
Speaker 1: the full hour discussion. We have a whole bunch of
Speaker 1: stuff to talk about that we can never stuff into
Speaker 1: an hour of discussion. Bring him a gulland from the
Speaker 1: Hudson Institute online a Hudson dot org. Also a professor
Speaker 1: at Ohio or at Miami University Oxford and host of
Speaker 1: the Charged Conversations podcast. Just Derekker produces that one. Doesn't
Speaker 1: he welcome back? Bring him?
Speaker 2: Yeah? Thanks.
Speaker 3: I was in DC until yesterday, so it's I'm glad
Speaker 3: to be back in the real world. And yes, Joe
Speaker 3: does produce, and he does an excellent job, and I'd
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Speaker 1: I say that about the fifty five KRSITE Morning Show,
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Speaker 1: produce it for you for a reasonable fee. There you go, Joe,
Speaker 1: free promo. Love you brother, anyway, I'll bring them. You
Speaker 1: add a list, I mean a huge list of topics
Speaker 1: to talk about, and I want to try to get
Speaker 1: them all in. But I wanted to gravitate toward one
Speaker 1: that was later in your list, and that is the
Speaker 1: EPA's endangerment findings. This is all about CO two, and
Speaker 1: we've been busting our humps left and right green energy
Speaker 1: policies inflacer reduction, acting carbon capture. We need to spend
Speaker 1: trillions and trillions of dollars to prevent carbon dioxide also
Speaker 1: known as plant food plant food from getting out into
Speaker 1: the environment. We need to stop exhaling Brigham because we're
Speaker 1: putting a pollutant in. But no, it's not a pollutant,
Speaker 1: is it. So say it the Department of Energy.
Speaker 2: Now, yeah, that's exactly right.
Speaker 3: I mean, oh my gosh, don't let the facts get
Speaker 3: in the way of a good argument. Because the climate
Speaker 3: change movement is possessed, by captivated, by beholden by CO two.
Speaker 3: There are many different types of greenhouse gases, right, some
Speaker 3: of ms are actually quite dangerous indeed lead to asthma,
Speaker 3: health problems, et cetera. But CO two is what the
Speaker 3: world of climate change is solely focused on, and it
Speaker 3: has been for a number of year.
Speaker 1: It's all about CO two, okay, And I guess I
Speaker 1: really have to really demands asking the question, well, why
Speaker 1: why CO two? It is the lynchpin for so many
Speaker 1: of these global warming projects. I mean again, getting let's
Speaker 1: just say, mercury out of the air or something that's
Speaker 1: a worthy goal. We're not supposed to be breathing in
Speaker 1: or consuming mercury. It's carcinogenetic, it's dangerous, it has all
Speaker 1: kinds of felt effects. But carbon dioxide does not do
Speaker 1: that to you. So what's the story on behind the story?
Speaker 3: Well, it doesn't doesn't and you know, we did remove mercury.
Speaker 3: We changed some refrigerants around, and it got worse after that,
Speaker 3: but the initial change of refrigerations is good.
Speaker 2: You know.
Speaker 3: CO two is a percentage of the air, makes up
Speaker 3: less than one half of one percent. It's point zero
Speaker 3: zero four to two percent in our atmosphere. So relatively speaking,
Speaker 3: that is four hundred and twenty parts per million, a fraction,
Speaker 3: a very small fraction, and in fintesimal fraction, and almost
Speaker 3: all of that is naturally occurring.
Speaker 1: Well, this is the Clean Air Act apparently authorizes the
Speaker 1: EVA to regularly pollutants like let's say, real pollutants ozone,
Speaker 1: particulate matter, sulfur dioxide in others that, in the words
Speaker 1: of the Clean Air Act, may reasonably be anticipated to
Speaker 1: endanger public health or welfare. And the point of them
Speaker 1: removing carbon dioxide from this list, and I don't know
Speaker 1: how kind of a list in the first place, Maybe
Speaker 1: you can explain that to my listeners, is because carbon
Speaker 1: dioxide does not endanger public health or welfare, it shouldn't
Speaker 1: have been included in the list of greenhouse gasses from
Speaker 1: the get go.
Speaker 2: No, it shouldn't have been.
Speaker 3: And you know the EPA, which, by the way, like
Speaker 3: all agencies created by Congress, but.
Speaker 2: At the idea of a guy.
Speaker 3: Named Richard Nixon, a Republican, to clean up the air.
Speaker 3: And thanks to certain aspects of our climate laws, we
Speaker 3: the rivers are clean, the air is clean, we're enjoying life.
Speaker 3: But the problem is people want to take this too far.
Speaker 3: And you know, others came up with the idea that, hey,
Speaker 3: let's add CO two to the list, and so it's
Speaker 3: called the endangerment finding, right, and because it endangers public health,
Speaker 3: But it doesn't, and it never has.
Speaker 1: Right, So why put her on the list was to
Speaker 1: gain more control over our lives. I mean that seems
Speaker 1: to be the only direction we can go. But you know,
Speaker 1: I always to step back from that question and say, Okay,
Speaker 1: if it's a gain control our lives, why in the
Speaker 1: hell do they care what kind of you know, fill
Speaker 1: in the blank appliance I am using, or anything else
Speaker 1: by way of activity? If the if the result is
Speaker 1: just producing a little bit more CO two, which has
Speaker 1: no impact on humanity.
Speaker 3: Yeah, and you know, while there are people we can
Speaker 3: bring people into the show that would be adamant that.
Speaker 3: You know, it's what's behind temperature rises in climate change.
Speaker 3: It's behind this, It's behind that.
Speaker 1: You know.
Speaker 3: The answer is it's an anti industrial policy. Think of
Speaker 3: think of the far radical left, the people that want
Speaker 3: to move us back to the pre industrial age. Think
Speaker 3: of the anti capitalists, i e. Occupy Wall Street people.
Speaker 3: It's all the same group.
Speaker 1: It's the anti consumption crowd. Let's to me bringing I'm
Speaker 1: just gonna stay out loud. I've said it before. This
Speaker 1: comes to no surprise that people know that I've articulated
Speaker 1: my feelings on this matter. They are this collective group
Speaker 1: who claim to be in with great concern over the
Speaker 1: change in temperature around the globe. We're all going to
Speaker 1: die because the temperature is going to get warm. And
Speaker 1: they want to go after business and industry, and they
Speaker 1: want to make a connection between carbon dioxide and which
Speaker 1: is literally involved in every activity we do to shut
Speaker 1: down consumption. They view us all as you know, like
Speaker 1: cockroaches consuming all the world's resources, and we need to
Speaker 1: put a stop to that. Capitalism feeds that. Capitalism is
Speaker 1: based on the building and an expansion of capital, which
Speaker 1: necessarily includes the building and expansion and use of natural
Speaker 1: resources in order to acquire capital. Capitalism bad. How do
Speaker 1: we go after capitalism and create this Marxist utopia they're
Speaker 1: all looking for. Well, let's just kick the legs out
Speaker 1: of business and industry generally speaking, period. And the only
Speaker 1: way we can get there because we have been successful
Speaker 1: at getting rid of components in particulate that may endanger
Speaker 1: public health or welfare. Some of the plutants mentioned before,
Speaker 1: we've taken care of the vast majority of those. We
Speaker 1: need something that's impossible to take care of carbon dioxide.
Speaker 2: Right. Well, that's the entire point behind it is that
Speaker 2: you can't really.
Speaker 1: Get rid of it.
Speaker 2: You can't really get rid of it.
Speaker 3: So if we go back to the pre industrial age,
Speaker 3: and I'm talking, you know, early eighteen hundreds, CO two
Speaker 3: in the atmosphere was about two hundred and eighty to
Speaker 3: three hundred parts per million. We're now at four to twenty.
Speaker 3: After all this stuff that we've done all over the world.
Speaker 3: You know, we've saved a lot of people through advances
Speaker 3: in technology, through industrialization, through medicine.
Speaker 2: And on and on and on.
Speaker 3: So okay, all of that has increased CO two by
Speaker 3: about what I don't do higher math three hundred parts
Speaker 3: per million to four hundred and twenty parts per million,
Speaker 3: which is still less than one half a one percent
Speaker 3: of the Earth's atmosphere. And plants love it. Well, that's
Speaker 3: the other thing. The more CO two is in the atmosphere,
Speaker 3: the more plant life emerges. It's off balancing.
Speaker 1: Exactly because plants do what they produce oxygen AH, which
Speaker 1: we need.
Speaker 3: And they store CO two they take it out. They're scrubbers.
Speaker 3: We don't need direct air capture where we're man made
Speaker 3: trying to rip CO two out of the atmosphere. Planet
Speaker 3: a tree, planet a tree, right, don't they want to
Speaker 3: do that anyway, don't see That's.
Speaker 1: What I'm saying. You know, more CO two is good
Speaker 1: for the environment in the sense that it is conducive
Speaker 1: to plant growth. And they're all worried about us running
Speaker 1: out of food. They're all worried about us knocking down
Speaker 1: the rainforest, even though they'll knock down the rainforest to
Speaker 1: build a highway so they can get to the environmental meeting.
Speaker 1: They're all going to have the global meeting down and
Speaker 1: I mean it's just the hypocrisy is insane. Yeah, Brigand
Speaker 1: but ultimately, if we have more CO two, we get
Speaker 1: encourage plant growth, which is again good for the rest
Speaker 1: of the world. And there go again more oxygen.
Speaker 3: Well, we'll have to see what happens, because you know
Speaker 3: what the EPA is proposed to do. They have to
Speaker 3: change the regulation because the Obama people put it into
Speaker 3: and there is a process that you have to go through,
Speaker 3: and I'm sure this will end up in litigation as well,
Speaker 3: but they're proposing reversing the Obama era endangerment finding that
Speaker 3: classify CO two as a pollutant. And that's really what
Speaker 3: we're talking about. It's not a pollutant under the Clean
Speaker 3: Air Act.
Speaker 2: Right, it's not.
Speaker 1: There's no authority within the Clean Air Act to regulate
Speaker 1: something that isn't defined as a pollutant. And you can't
Speaker 1: turn CO two into a pollutant, regardless of how you
Speaker 1: want to characterize it.
Speaker 2: Absolutely.
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Speaker 1: Seven twenty here fifty five Kero City Talk Station Brian
Speaker 1: Thomas with Brigha McGowan from Hudson ins To talking energy
Speaker 1: policy and whether or not Trump's gonna be able to
Speaker 1: keep his tariffs in place. He's been very successful in
Speaker 1: negotiating tariff and trade arrangements with various countries around the world.
Speaker 1: Had recent announcements he heard the top of the UR
Speaker 1: news and knocking him down one by one question is
Speaker 1: whether they'll stay in place, because there were oral arguments
Speaker 1: in a federal Pellic court yesterday, the going in connection
Speaker 1: with the lower courts ruling that No, Trump does not
Speaker 1: have the legal authority to impose these tariffs. It's exclusively
Speaker 1: within the purview of the legislative branch power of the
Speaker 1: purse kind of stuff, and that his declaration of an
Speaker 1: emergency is insufficient under the circumstances. No, a trade imbalance
Speaker 1: is not worthy of allowing him to have all this leeway.
Speaker 1: So maybe all of this will be eradicated. We're gonna
Speaker 1: have to wait and see on that. You know, how
Speaker 1: the wheels of justice are, they spend slowly. But in
Speaker 1: the meantime, the negotiated agreements do include things related to
Speaker 1: well large scale US energy exports like liquid natural gas.
Speaker 1: I mean, what, there's a seven hundred and fifty billion
Speaker 1: dollar trade pledge in the US EU trade deal, Brigham.
Speaker 2: That's significant, there is. That's a lot of money.
Speaker 3: And I think what we tend to forget and I
Speaker 3: do too, frankly, is you know, we talk about a
Speaker 3: trade imbalance that means that we give other countries more
Speaker 3: money than other countries give us. For purchasing our goods.
Speaker 3: But you know, whether it's a car, a John Deere tractor,
Speaker 3: or a raw product like oil or natural gas, that counts.
Speaker 2: Right.
Speaker 3: Somebody else from outside the country's paying an American company
Speaker 3: that brings revenue into the country, that's a good thing.
Speaker 3: That's a whole trade imbounce, right indeed. And so yeah,
Speaker 3: you know what I will what I will give Trump
Speaker 3: is he is a master salesman. He considers himself America's
Speaker 3: number one promotional salesperson of American companies.
Speaker 1: Yes, he would probably self apply that much.
Speaker 3: We probably would pad himself right on the back for that.
Speaker 3: And so whenever he goes around what his view is
Speaker 3: and right or wrong, here's his view.
Speaker 2: His view is, well, you know, after.
Speaker 3: World War two and all, we helped out Europe get
Speaker 3: back on their feed and we kind of gave them
Speaker 3: good deals, right, We kind of gave them the family discount.
Speaker 3: But now that was almost one hundred years ago, and
Speaker 3: we continue to give people the family discount, and they
Speaker 3: don't spend money where they should spend money, and they
Speaker 3: spend money on their social programs.
Speaker 1: We also happened to act as their police force of
Speaker 1: defending them with our American military so they don't have
Speaker 1: to spend money for their own security and safety. Yes,
Speaker 1: I've been stationed in Europe myself. I'm sure we have
Speaker 1: military bases all over the globe.
Speaker 2: We do so.
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's akin to telling your loving adult child who's
Speaker 3: thirty eight or forty time to move out of the basement.
Speaker 3: Pay for your own stuff, and that involves trade. Hey
Speaker 3: we've been giving you guys such big discounts. We're kicking
Speaker 3: you off the family cell phone bill. Get your own,
Speaker 3: your own accoun out. Yeah, that's what this is. Well,
Speaker 3: and conceptually there's nothing wrong with that. It does make
Speaker 3: sense logically. Why would we be giving them the discount Yeah,
Speaker 3: well no, because they have surpluses. They have money to
Speaker 3: invest in all their pet projects, including the exostential crisis
Speaker 3: of climate change.
Speaker 1: Yeah, European Union is a is the business model for
Speaker 1: the climate change alarmist it.
Speaker 3: You know, I just got back from France last month
Speaker 3: where I speaking at an economic conference, and you know,
Speaker 3: the idea of a European free trade block was a
Speaker 3: wonderful idea back when it was the Common market, but
Speaker 3: it is so far astrayed from its origins into this
Speaker 3: centralized political function in Brussels run by technicocrats and bureaucrats,
Speaker 3: and that should be a harbinger, a warning for America
Speaker 3: of what happens when a federal a centralized bureaucracy of
Speaker 3: unelected people take over.
Speaker 1: Yeah, they were independent countries with their own independent currencies,
Speaker 1: with their own independent directions thoughts. But they played nicely together,
Speaker 1: and in playing nicely together, because they were closely tight neighbors,
Speaker 1: they decided to get involved in this European Union concept.
Speaker 1: It's like creating a federal government out of whole cloth
Speaker 1: when you had a republic of working together states like
Speaker 1: we have here. You know, we got that whole tenth Amendment,
Speaker 1: you know, with the powers not specifically reserve in the
Speaker 1: federal gun belonged to the states, which allows us more
Speaker 1: flexibility and freedom. We can do what we want in
Speaker 1: our individual states if it's not a power reserve by
Speaker 1: the federal government over there. Brussels has basically taken over.
Speaker 1: They're basically taking over. And what's interesting with this US
Speaker 1: EU trade deal, which was made with Brussels, by the way,
Speaker 1: is that a lot of it will stick because Brussels
Speaker 1: controls a lot of you know, controls the tariffs controls
Speaker 1: what can be sold. And you know, to be fair,
Speaker 1: the Europeans to jump up down and scream about America. Yeah,
Speaker 1: try selling agriculture or wine in France. Try sell America
Speaker 1: of American organ You can't do it right. The German
Speaker 1: automobile industry hugely protected because it's important to them.
Speaker 3: Okay, got it. But what this does is it resets
Speaker 3: the playing field. It rebalances trade, gets American companies more
Speaker 3: access to European markets. Now here's where we're going to
Speaker 3: have to take away and see approaches. It requires Europe
Speaker 3: to buy more American stuff.
Speaker 2: But will they.
Speaker 1: Yeah, good question. Now the devil's in the details, and
Speaker 1: keep your popcorn out and see what events unfold as
Speaker 1: we move forward. But if we have something that they
Speaker 1: don't have, affordable liquid natural gas, then they'll buy it
Speaker 1: from us. In a capitalist market where you know, laws
Speaker 1: of supplying the man just actually dominate rather than trade rules,
Speaker 1: regulations and tariffs. If we've got something they want, they
Speaker 1: will naturally come and buy it from us.
Speaker 3: Well, and Brian, you know what happened in Europe is
Speaker 3: you could frack in Europe. Netherlands, the Groniken fields were
Speaker 3: shut down, the North seafields for oil and gas shut down.
Speaker 3: This was their way of burning. This is akin to
Speaker 3: burning the Viking boats on as right, And if we
Speaker 3: just don't use this stuff, something else will pop up. Well,
Speaker 3: now they're realizing that something else was actually Russian oil
Speaker 3: and gas. That's not vogue these days. So now their
Speaker 3: economies contracted significantly. The industrialization of Europe occurred after twenty
Speaker 3: twenty two, and the price of energy went through the roof,
Speaker 3: and it went through the roof, and it stayed through
Speaker 3: the roof because they said, no, we're not gonna buy
Speaker 3: long term contracts, We're gonna buy stuff on the spot
Speaker 3: market because we're not gonna need it very long. Well,
Speaker 3: that's the highest price that you can pay for energy exactly.
Speaker 3: And now they're like, well, you know, maybe we ought
Speaker 3: to get I don't know, I'm ten twenty thirty year
Speaker 3: locked in price with America for LNG to buy something
Speaker 3: from US that they used to produce themselves.
Speaker 1: That they personally decide they were going to cut their
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Speaker 1: Let's move over to India and their dependence on Russian oil.
Speaker 1: How does that impact this whole tariff and negotiations and
Speaker 1: things that are going on because Trump is doing everything
Speaker 1: he can to try to, you know, call out Putin
Speaker 1: for his refuse to end this war with Ukraine and
Speaker 1: threatening additional sanctions. So far, Putin's like got his metaphorical
Speaker 1: middle finger rays going yeah, go ahead, try good luck.
Speaker 3: Yeah. It's really interesting because what allows Russia to continue
Speaker 3: waging war against Ukraine is not not entirely but substantially
Speaker 3: driven by money.
Speaker 2: Their trade. Oh, we're just talking about trade.
Speaker 3: Yeah, And China and India are the two largest purchasers
Speaker 3: of Russian oil despite all the sanctions. The EU just
Speaker 3: announced their eighteenth round of sanctions, which is actually targeting
Speaker 3: part of India's refining capacity. And I had some conversations
Speaker 3: in DC this week with the Indian government and talking
Speaker 3: about trying to get a trade deal they were putting
Speaker 3: on their full dog and pony show to try to
Speaker 3: avoid the Trump sanctions, which did not go well, talking
Speaker 3: about how well, yeah, they used to sort of be
Speaker 3: aligned with Russia, but they would say things like, well,
Speaker 3: our line with Russia, the curve has turned downward, while
Speaker 3: our curve with America is increasing. And the bottom line
Speaker 3: is they say, hey, we just go out and buy oil.
Speaker 3: We just buy cheap oil. And you know Russian oil
Speaker 3: is pretty cheap, yeah, because it's sanctioned, right, But the
Speaker 3: deal is this, they buy more than they need. They
Speaker 3: went in twenty twenty two from really not even purchasing
Speaker 3: Russian oil to now they purchased forty percent of Russian
Speaker 3: oil exports, twice as much as they need. So they
Speaker 3: refine it and sell it back on the market as diesel,
Speaker 3: jet fuel, and gasoline. They're whitewashing Russian oil.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's like money laundering. They're laundering it. Yeah, and
Speaker 1: they're moving a killing. Our Indian refined gasoline sales subject
Speaker 1: to a sanction.
Speaker 3: They hadn't been until this last mentioned eighteenth round of sanctions.
Speaker 3: So the EU has sanctioned several refineries and has now
Speaker 3: said okay, you guys have to prove the origin of
Speaker 3: the oil moving forward. Okay, so they're on it, but
Speaker 3: it took a little while. Yeah, well you can listen. Yeah,
Speaker 3: it's like the concept of a loophole in the tax code.
Speaker 3: You know it isn't you know. It usually is something
Speaker 3: that they failed to take into account, but you're not
Speaker 3: breaking the law by using it.
Speaker 1: It just exists. There's a hole that allows them to
Speaker 1: evade the tariff because of the way it was, So
Speaker 1: they're plugging the hole apparently.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 3: And you know, on one hand, you can say, well, great,
Speaker 3: you guys are being great capitalists. You're buying oil at
Speaker 3: a disaccount. You're making a killing on your refining margins,
Speaker 3: and boy, that's pretty capitalistic.
Speaker 1: That makes perfect sense to me.
Speaker 3: But what Trump is really saying is, look, the Indian
Speaker 3: market is closed to the US market.
Speaker 2: You don't buy our energy.
Speaker 3: You're dealing in questionable energy products where you know where
Speaker 3: they're coming from, and we want you to buy US energy,
Speaker 3: not Russian.
Speaker 1: Well, why are we closed to the Indian energy market?
Speaker 1: They made that rule, they said we will not purchase
Speaker 1: US manufactured products.
Speaker 3: Well, there are a couple of different reasons. One they're
Speaker 3: a part of the Bricks Nations right, which was formed
Speaker 3: by eleven countries Brazil, Russia, India, China, South Africa, Saudi Aradia,
Speaker 3: Egypt and the UAE. So they're sort of on another team.
Speaker 1: Well, okay, that's all well and good, but if they're
Speaker 1: looking out for their own best interest, which anybody does,
Speaker 1: we were able to compete in the energy market. In
Speaker 1: other words, we had a mechanism whereby we could sell
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Speaker 3: Yeah, they would, except that we can't beat the Russian
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Speaker 2: They don't have and I get all that.
Speaker 1: It's like why manufacturer move to China, they don't have
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Speaker 1: from the Hudson Institute in Studio. Former Federal regulator current
Speaker 1: energy policy advisor Leeds the Initiative American Energy Security Hudson
Speaker 1: Institute and also a professor at Miami University. Moving over
Speaker 1: to hydrogen, it's going to save the world, right Brigan.
Speaker 3: Oh, absolutely, you didn't get the memo. I just think
Speaker 3: of the Hindenburgh, you know, that would be what most
Speaker 3: people think of when we think about hydrogen. Is that
Speaker 3: catastrophic accident that pretty much killed everybody on board.
Speaker 1: Right, So how is it different and better allegedly as
Speaker 1: a an energy producer than say what we're currently used to,
Speaker 1: which is maybe fossil fuels.
Speaker 2: Well, the idea is, and we've been using it for
Speaker 2: a long time.
Speaker 3: We talk about a fuel cell at the International Space
Speaker 3: Station or in the Apollo days. Fuel cells are hydrogen based.
Speaker 3: What we're doing is we're burning it to release energy,
Speaker 3: and fuel cells can generate electricity, and as we know,
Speaker 3: everybody on a certain side of the aisle is into electricity, right,
Speaker 3: we got to electrify everything, yeah, uh huh yeah, And
Speaker 3: so it reacts with oxygen. It produces heat and water vapor,
Speaker 3: and in fuel cells, hydrogen oxygen react to electrochemically and
Speaker 3: thereby producing electricity, heat and water. That's the idea. The
Speaker 3: problem with it is it takes more energy to make
Speaker 3: hydrogen than it does from just using whatever the initial
Speaker 3: fuel sources to begin with.
Speaker 1: Right, So quite often hydrogen's made from let's say liquid
Speaker 1: natural gas. Yeah. In fact, you use the liquid natural
Speaker 1: gas and not turned into hydrogen, you get more out.
Speaker 2: Of it, right, So shocking.
Speaker 3: We can use it that's called blue hydrogen and using
Speaker 3: steam methane reforming or something called autothermal reforming with carbon
Speaker 3: capture in storage.
Speaker 1: Oh lord. So by doing that, if you had geothermal,
Speaker 1: if they could drill down far enough to get to
Speaker 1: the high temperatures down below, then you wouldn't have any
Speaker 1: of that.
Speaker 3: Right, you're producing heat to begin with, because in an
Speaker 3: industrial application we don't really think about this. Let's uh,
Speaker 3: let's go to a an electric power station. We're heating
Speaker 3: water to make steam to turn a turbine that produces electricity. Basically,
Speaker 3: that's that's the thing. Right. So uh, if we could
Speaker 3: just get that naturally occurring from the earth where we
Speaker 3: don't use any energy, you have free steam that's geothermal,
Speaker 3: and it's very promising and in fact, multiple studies have
Speaker 3: shown you can drill deep enough in certain areas to Yeah,
Speaker 3: they're doing it all that they're doing it right now.
Speaker 3: But Brian, instead, we can make blue hydrogen, and we
Speaker 3: can use two point five times the amount of natural
Speaker 3: gas we would otherwise need. We'll capture the carbon and
Speaker 3: it's called blue hydrogen or or there's a rainbow.
Speaker 2: There's a rainbow. This stuff.
Speaker 3: Green hydrogen is produced most environmentally friendly because we're producing
Speaker 3: it from solar or wind power. Let's see, we've got
Speaker 3: gray hydrogen.
Speaker 1: But if you're getting the power from the solar and
Speaker 1: the wind, like gas production, why not just put that
Speaker 1: into the grid directly, as opposed to transforming it into
Speaker 1: something else. And I presume during that process you lose
Speaker 1: some of the energy you have gotten from the sun
Speaker 1: and the wind turning it into hydrogen. Exactly because everything physics,
Speaker 1: every time you go through another step, you're losing efficiency
Speaker 1: and an energy waste, energy, you're interjecting costs.
Speaker 2: That's absolutely correct.
Speaker 1: The whole industrial process that has to be created in
Speaker 1: order to create the hydrogen that you're taking from the
Speaker 1: source of power, regardless of whether it's wind, sol or
Speaker 1: natural gas.
Speaker 2: Oh did I mention that.
Speaker 3: There is some debate about this now, But you just
Speaker 3: can't go out into the atmosphere and call hydrogen like
Speaker 3: a dog. It doesn't show up. It's not found by itself.
Speaker 3: It's bound to another chemical which requires energy to split
Speaker 3: it off. And so that's why it's significantly inefficient. But hey, anyway,
Speaker 3: we've got gray hydrogen, we've got brown hydrogen, black hydrogen,
Speaker 3: yellow hydrogen, pink, white, and turquoise.
Speaker 1: And let me guess each and every one of those
Speaker 1: goes to the exact same form of process we just
Speaker 1: walk through with gas or solar wind to produce hydrogen.
Speaker 1: There's a there's something in between that is using up
Speaker 1: the energy. You're gonna love this one. Pink or some
Speaker 1: people call it purple or red. We're using nuclear energy
Speaker 1: to make hydrogen because that totally makes sense. That sounds
Speaker 1: like the dumbest thing I've ever heard. Well, yeah, some
Speaker 1: of the stuff's pretty common sense. I'm all about nukes, man.
Speaker 1: Anybody listens to me knows about it. Small modular reactors
Speaker 1: or the wave of the future, small footprints sitting on
Speaker 1: a tiny little piece of land generating unlimited amounts of electricity.
Speaker 1: You don't need to convert that electricity into hydrogen to
Speaker 1: make it work. Just hook the damn thing up to
Speaker 1: the grid problem solved. Yes, and we are working on
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Speaker 1: few more words here. On energy policy, you were pivoting
Speaker 1: over to we were talking a little bit about nuclear
Speaker 1: at the tail end of that hydrogen creation conversation. You
Speaker 1: had a few comments you wanted to interject.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I was just going to say that, you know,
Speaker 3: I think there has been a huge resurgence in the
Speaker 3: interest in nuclear power, driven by the need for AI
Speaker 3: AI energy security. A point I made in France earlier
Speaker 3: last month was the world has never used a less energy,
Speaker 3: only more. And actually France knows this because they're almost
Speaker 3: eighty percent nuclear power right now. And you know when
Speaker 3: Spain in the middle of the day the clouds game
Speaker 3: and the wind stopped and they lost their grid, it
Speaker 3: was actually exporting nuclear power from France and alloud Spain
Speaker 3: to restart their power grid.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's like Pennsylvania producing enough electricity to cover the
Speaker 1: Northeast region who has not been able to produce enough
Speaker 1: of its own electricity. It's kind of sorry state of affairs,
Speaker 1: it really is.
Speaker 3: And you know, after a three mile island more recently Fukushima,
Speaker 3: the Chernobyl thing, people kind of got, you know, don't
Speaker 3: know about nuclear power. But we are now up to
Speaker 3: a Gen three plus design. We just put the first
Speaker 3: two down in Georgia, the Voctal plant. These are one
Speaker 3: hundred percent passive, meaning if you cut all the power,
Speaker 3: it fails safe to safe. And we're really enriching nuclear
Speaker 3: fuel to three to five percent now, which is much
Speaker 3: lower level than before. Remember that conversation about Iran needing
Speaker 3: sixty plus per Yeah, and you were in that kid,
Speaker 3: that's I'm raising the flag on that one. But and
Speaker 3: SMRs are even better because these small modular reactors are
Speaker 3: built in factories. We can we you know, you approve
Speaker 3: the license. The problem in America is every reactor's different, YEP,
Speaker 3: and it goes through a different licensing.
Speaker 2: These are like legos. These are like legos.
Speaker 3: So we woke up one day and went, huh, you
Speaker 3: know what, why don't we get in the car approved?
Speaker 3: And then we'll just replicate it exactly and we don't
Speaker 3: have to go through all this.
Speaker 2: So we're doing that.
Speaker 3: They can be deployed to different places, they can be
Speaker 3: stacked on top of each other, expanded, and we're looking
Speaker 3: at at some of those heading out there pretty quickly,
Speaker 3: and I think it's going to be a real game changer.
Speaker 2: They last fifty plus years. Equal.
Speaker 1: We've been powering America's military ships since the nineteen fifties. Yeah,
Speaker 1: haven't heard any problems with that, have you, Brigham?
Speaker 3: No, we have.
Speaker 1: We haven't uh uh every submarine, Yeah, every aircraft carrier YEP,
Speaker 1: and the one that I landed on. Yeah, nuclear powered,
Speaker 1: I know. And they're really fast too. They are fast,
Speaker 1: and they're small. You can fit one inside of a ship. Look, hey,
Speaker 1: they don't have to be giant. They don't have to
Speaker 1: have giant cooling towers on them, et cetera. Et cetera.
Speaker 1: And you know what, if you don't build them in
Speaker 1: its tsunami zone, you don't have to worry about things
Speaker 1: like Fukushima happening. I'm what idiot was in charge of
Speaker 1: site selection on that one. Well, yeah, I mean they
Speaker 1: had a history of tsunamis in Japan, I mean going
Speaker 1: back thousands of years.
Speaker 3: Duh, absolutely, And so you know, concerns about uh where
Speaker 3: you place them, the security of the facility, cyber stuff.
Speaker 2: Yeah, we got to deal with all of that, of
Speaker 2: course you do.
Speaker 3: And we have to find a place to uh put
Speaker 3: the spent fuel, although some of the new reactor fuels
Speaker 3: one hundred percent. We're into recycling, right, I know, you
Speaker 3: can be one hundred percent recycle the fuel.
Speaker 1: No mass such a small mass of quote unquote waste collectively,
Speaker 1: it's yes, just infinitestinimal well.
Speaker 2: And I don't know if your listeners have heard this
Speaker 2: or not, but even with the old stuff, and even
Speaker 2: with contaminated waste water and other things, all of it
Speaker 2: would fit six feet high on a football field. We're
Speaker 2: not talking for the entire country, not that much.
Speaker 1: Brigham Accown armed with your facts that fly in the
Speaker 1: face of global warming, alarmist. I appreciate you coming on
Speaker 1: the program and doing that.
Speaker 2: You're a pleasure.
Speaker 1: You're always welcome here, Brigham. We'll be looking for your podcast,
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Speaker 1: thank you, sir for all the work that you do.
Speaker 1: Thanks having back on real soon, my friend. Enjoy your weekend.
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