Speaker 1: Oh bed of Fessor.
Speaker 2: Hello, and welcome to the show. This is the Cult
Speaker 2: of Conspiracy and my name is Jonathan Jacob. Jacob. We're
Speaker 2: gonna be talking about some Mayans today, Bro, is this
Speaker 2: my calendar shit or what man?
Speaker 1: So in the same vibe? Yes, But you know, as
Speaker 1: we were talking about aliens here recently, we're talking about
Speaker 1: the Amuamua and Atlas and these intergalactic interstellar types of things.
Speaker 1: I thought it'd be interesting to look back at an
Speaker 1: ancient Mayan source that. And there's some debate whether this
Speaker 1: was just some really crazy artwork, if what we're looking
Speaker 1: at is the first remnants of a time machine or
Speaker 1: the first remnants of a spacecraft. Okay, And we've touched
Speaker 1: on this topic before kind of been passed and we've
Speaker 1: never really done an in depth look at this, but
Speaker 1: good call members. Today we are going to be talking
Speaker 1: about Lord Pacall's time machine.
Speaker 2: Hell yeah, dude, Well let's go. I think it's gonna
Speaker 2: be a fun one. Anytime we can talk about like
Speaker 2: ancient time machines, we can't be the first people that
Speaker 2: have ever thought about time travel in that sense, right, Like,
Speaker 2: so you would imagine that it would go back and
Speaker 2: maybe it's not time travel. Maybe it's they're trying to
Speaker 2: get to other worlds or other you know, dimensions, or
Speaker 2: whatever they were trying to do, because we know that
Speaker 2: they were definitely like it's it's wild whenever you look
Speaker 2: into certain like things that they would do to put
Speaker 2: themselves in a different headspace, so like to put themselves
Speaker 2: in a trance in a sense, like whether it be
Speaker 2: like shamanic drumming or some kind of meditation or some
Speaker 2: kind of prayer. It was always to try and shift,
Speaker 2: you know, the vibration that you are, maybe to correlate
Speaker 2: it with your God or you know, your planet or whatever.
Speaker 2: And it was always some kind of resonant frequency. And shit,
Speaker 2: I've been really diving deep into that lately. So I'm
Speaker 2: like fascinated by that stuff. I don't know if that's
Speaker 2: what you're talking about today, but it's maybe pretty awesome.
Speaker 1: Maybe yes, maybe no. Here's the thing, this might be
Speaker 1: one of those instances where science and technology blend with
Speaker 1: the spiritual and esoteric. The thing is, we don't one
Speaker 1: hundred percent know, because what we're going to be talking
Speaker 1: about is the carvings on the sarcophagus of King Pacall himself.
Speaker 1: You'll hear it used interchangeably today, good Cult members, Lord
Speaker 1: Pacall or King Pucll. Either way you want to call it,
Speaker 1: all right, And the actual name for him is much
Speaker 1: longer and I can't pronounce it. So Pacall is the
Speaker 1: English moniker that people have put on him. It's like
Speaker 1: a nickname. So that bes sa the etchings on his sarcophagus.
Speaker 1: This could be all indicative and symbolic, esoterically symbolic of
Speaker 1: sigils that was being used for some divine purpose. We
Speaker 1: don't know, but it appears that he is using some
Speaker 1: sort of machinery as he's doing this. I'm gonna go
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Speaker 2: I do want to make a comment if my if
Speaker 2: my mic sounds a little strange today, I just got
Speaker 2: this new travel setup. I'm over in Louisiana, spending the
Speaker 2: weekend at my sister's with my kids and stuff like that,
Speaker 2: So forgive me if we sound like shit. This is
Speaker 2: this is just uh, we're learning the new technology and
Speaker 2: new systems and stuff like that.
Speaker 1: That's fair, all right. So first things first, I got
Speaker 1: a quick little YouTube short now I'm gonna play to
Speaker 1: talk about the overarching theme of this before we dive deep.
Speaker 1: Let's learn together, shall we?
Speaker 3: Lord Pacall Spaceship time Machine, Janab Pakal one of the
Speaker 3: smoking Guns regarding ancient technology is perhaps.
Speaker 1: The most overlooked.
Speaker 3: The sarcophagus of King Pacol is one of the most
Speaker 3: talked about ancient subjects When it comes to ancient alien theory.
Speaker 3: The sarcophagus lid of this Great Mayan ruler has some
Speaker 3: pretty curious depictions that looks like a person operating a
Speaker 3: complex machine, complete with breathing apparatus and even flames bursting
Speaker 3: out of the bottom like a modern day rocket launch.
Speaker 3: Ancient alien theorists propose that it clearly depicts King Pacoll
Speaker 3: in some sort of spaceship during takeoff, and they argue
Speaker 3: that his hands appear to be manipulating some sort of machinery.
Speaker 3: His foot is located on a pedal while he is
Speaker 3: breathing through some sort of breathing apparatus.
Speaker 4: On.
Speaker 1: Yes, we're gonna dive in and break it all down,
Speaker 1: all right, but let's start off with the basics. Okay,
Speaker 1: let's start with the historic precedence, because this isn't a
Speaker 1: mythical character. This is an actual human being that really
Speaker 1: walked the earth. His tomb has been found. It's not
Speaker 1: just written in the legends and lore of this tribe.
Speaker 1: This is something that is historically documented as far as
Speaker 1: this guy. Right, So just right off the start, let's
Speaker 1: learn a little bit about Kinich Janab Pakal And I
Speaker 1: hope I pronounced that right. That's why they just say
Speaker 1: Lord Pakal using like his last name or a surname
Speaker 1: if you will. But all right, and this guy, like
Speaker 1: I said, he's not just in the myths and legends.
Speaker 1: He actually did a lot of things for the tribe
Speaker 1: that we're talked about for years later. So let's learn
Speaker 1: a little bit about the guy.
Speaker 2: Kinich Janob pacall Uh was the Maya king of Palin
Speaker 2: palan Ka.
Speaker 1: I think palan k And also for reference, they even
Speaker 1: know the exact date that he was born because the
Speaker 1: Mayan calendar was so exact. So he was born on
Speaker 1: the twenty third of March six' oh three B c
Speaker 1: six' OH three bc and he died on the thirty
Speaker 1: First of march six 't EIGHTY three BC. Or ce,
Speaker 1: i'm sorry THAT'S AN ad i. Keep forgetting they change.
Speaker 1: Things up it's not a. D anymore it's. Common era
Speaker 1: so this isn't like way back in the ancients or anything.
Speaker 1: Like that it was from six OH three ad to
Speaker 1: six eighty three A D.
Speaker 2: COMMON era, i mean why do they got to just
Speaker 2: keep on, changeing shit, you know just because as, it IS.
Speaker 1: Because Ad is latin for, anno domini which means a
Speaker 1: year Of, our lord meaning after the Birth. Of christ
Speaker 1: and there are some people out there that get upset
Speaker 1: that You put jesus. Into everything so they, started, saying
Speaker 1: fine we HAVE, the bce and we HAVE the ce before,
Speaker 1: common era and then the.
Speaker 2: Common era oh, my god oh whatever? About, it yeah that's. That's.
Speaker 2: Silly anyhow he Was the mayan king Of palin k
Speaker 2: in the modern day State, Of, chiapas mexico also Known
Speaker 2: as pascal Or, pay call which means shield And pay Call.
Speaker 2: The great he is the most famous for raising the
Speaker 2: city Of pilin k known As Bah.
Speaker 1: Bah, Call yeah i'm, telling you some of these pronunciations
Speaker 1: we are talking about the people that worship Like it's
Speaker 1: cacoalaco and all, these things like we're gonna butcher the
Speaker 1: pronunciation of some of these things in places, and deities
Speaker 1: just so we're, all, clear.
Speaker 2: Right right so he's Known from he is most famous
Speaker 2: for raising the city Of, pilin k known as bacal
Speaker 2: from relative obscurity to a, great power his building projects
Speaker 2: projects in, the city especially the temple Of, the inscriptions
Speaker 2: and his laboratory craved or. Elaborately, Carved damn. I'm tripping
Speaker 2: i'm on a, smaller computer so that the print is.
Speaker 2: So tiny but there. We go that's a little. Bit
Speaker 2: better old man, eyest hours old bo getting. Up there
Speaker 2: so and his elaborately carved, sarcophagus lid which has been
Speaker 2: interpreted by some to depict an ancient astronaut riding on a.
Speaker 2: Rocket ship pacall assumed the throne Of pilin k at
Speaker 2: the age of twelve in SIX, fifteen ce and ruled
Speaker 2: successfully until his death at the age. Of eighty he
Speaker 2: was married to The lady Sabaku, a jaw and had
Speaker 2: three sons who seemed who succeeded him. In rule the Ruins,
Speaker 2: of palanque visible in the, modern day are only a
Speaker 2: small fraction of the, ancient city developed and Expanded by
Speaker 2: pecall during. His reign the rest of the vast metropolis
Speaker 2: remains unexcavated in the. Surrounding jungle palanka was a city
Speaker 2: of modest Size when pacall took, the throne and it
Speaker 2: was through his efforts that it became one of the
Speaker 2: great urban Centers, of mesoamerica rivaling even the might and Splendor.
Speaker 1: Of, tacaul indeed so just so, we're clear he is
Speaker 1: not a made up. Fictitious character all, Right now i'm
Speaker 1: gonna read a little bit about his youth and his ascension.
Speaker 1: To power pacall was the Son of Lady. SUK kuk
Speaker 1: i Swear, to god is that actually something? Got.
Speaker 2: Here sokkukkuk i'm you're. Summoning her you're summoning her every
Speaker 2: time said action as, being, done.
Speaker 1: Sir possibly are you summoning her? To? Do, Okay anyway
Speaker 1: so he was her son who reigned as Queen of
Speaker 1: palank from six twelve to six POINT. Fifteen ad in,
Speaker 1: six eleven the reigning king died and the, Legitimate heir
Speaker 1: pacall was too young to take, the throne so she
Speaker 1: was like the queen region for. Three years scholars have
Speaker 1: deciphered inscriptions that make it Clear that palink suffered a
Speaker 1: significant military defeat in six eleven and then lost, their
Speaker 1: king A Jen, yold mott the. Following year this upset
Speaker 1: the balance of, the city which the next ruler would need.
Speaker 1: To restore in, Six,' Twelve pacall suck KuK's father. Took,
Speaker 1: the Throne wow janab Pacall the, Queen regent's. Father suk's, father,
Speaker 1: I'm trying dude i'm trying to not. Say suck cock
Speaker 1: i'm really trying. To keep. It you know this.
Speaker 2: Is the fancy this is the formal way, Of saying that.
Speaker 1: Sir. Suk, kiok Yeah Anyway the queen regent's father took
Speaker 1: the throne but died. That same year inscriptions indicate a
Speaker 1: monarch Known as muan met assumed, ruler after Janapacalled But
Speaker 1: Asman what mawan matt is a supernatural. Figure symbolizing prosperity
Speaker 1: it is thought that This Refers, to lady sukuk who
Speaker 1: returned The balance to palanque. After the upheaval she ruled
Speaker 1: for three years until her, son reached maturity which at
Speaker 1: that time was the. Age of twelve The dynasty of
Speaker 1: palanque believed that the rule descended from an ancestor Known As,
Speaker 1: the first mother and, so female rulers, though not common.
Speaker 1: Were not unusual, it, is understood however that a female
Speaker 1: monarch would step down as soon as a male heir
Speaker 1: reached the. Age Of maturity lady sukuk seemed to have
Speaker 1: continued her to guide her son once he, took the
Speaker 1: throne as indicated By, inscriptions throughout palanke and she did
Speaker 1: so until her death in six point. Forty a d upon,
Speaker 1: Taking the throne pakal almost instantly began building enormous and
Speaker 1: elaborately worked monuments in order to celebrate both the city's
Speaker 1: past and his family's legitimate claim To rule The Mianas scholar,
Speaker 1: jean Stewart rites after prakal, Took the throne palanke became
Speaker 1: one of the great Urban, centers OF mesoamerica, which i
Speaker 1: mean that's right, off the, rip. That's insane right continuing
Speaker 1: this as a, Direct quote here pacall emphatically traced his
Speaker 1: lineage back to a deity as well as to royal
Speaker 1: Humans and to i'm sorry and other rulers also found
Speaker 1: it was wise to. ESTABLISH divine ancestors a mayor ruler
Speaker 1: served as the human manifestation Of. Gods on earth as
Speaker 1: the intermediary between, humans and gods he claimed the power
Speaker 1: to control the supernatural forces. Of the, universe in rituals
Speaker 1: he nurtured and, glorified the gods seeming to seeking to
Speaker 1: maintain the always precarious balance of nature in. An Agricultural
Speaker 1: society since pacall's father was lord but, not the king
Speaker 1: other Noble families in palaque claimed they had more right to.
Speaker 1: Rule than, he In response both pacall and His eldest
Speaker 1: son kinich Kan. Balam, The second wow how?
Speaker 4: Was? That?
Speaker 1: All, right Yep nope the second would make sure to
Speaker 1: represent the accomplishments and legitimacy of their family and all
Speaker 1: of the buildings and monuments in Palate, including The palace
Speaker 1: the Temples, of the Cross and the Temple. Of, the
Speaker 1: Inscriptions now The temple of inscriptions is a very h
Speaker 1: it's a very, interesting, Case Study right if, i'm Not
Speaker 1: mistaken That temple of inscriptions helped us a lot to
Speaker 1: understand and translate a Lot of the. Mayan hieroglyphic alphabet
Speaker 1: so This is the Temple of The. Inscriptions, in palateque oh.
Speaker 2: That looks, a, lot like oh what's? That cuckoo klon
Speaker 2: so a.
Speaker 1: Lot of these pyramids and things like That in meso
Speaker 1: america they all kind of had a very similar. Look
Speaker 1: TO them so i agree with. You on, that but yeah,
Speaker 1: this One itself the. Temple of inscriptions let's read a
Speaker 1: little bit. About this, one, OH well yeah i guess
Speaker 1: it would. Be pretty interesting it would be pretty similar Because, this, is,
Speaker 1: mayan right yeah this is all mine and THAT cucko
Speaker 1: klon i think guess what it's called or. Something like
Speaker 1: that that's that's Also. What's, in, costamaya okay, yeah you're
Speaker 1: right so. It is.
Speaker 2: Mine, excuse ME yeah so. I visited it. IT was
Speaker 2: awesome i didn't go on the day that the snake
Speaker 2: was climbing, up, THE stairs THOUGH i wish i.
Speaker 1: Could have done one. Day, A year, so i mean
Speaker 1: that's like the day, to, see.
Speaker 2: It right Right so The, temple of. Inscriptions it says
Speaker 2: this focus on recording the history of the city through
Speaker 2: architecture is especially notable In the famous Temple. Of the
Speaker 2: inscriptions construction began in SIX, seventy five ce and it
Speaker 2: was purposely Built as The. Tomb Of pacal The temple
Speaker 2: of inscriptions is a pyramid with a small building, at
Speaker 2: the top inscribed with the Second longest continuous mayan text
Speaker 2: yet Uncovered, in meso america the longest being the hieroglyphic
Speaker 2: staircase at The City of Copin.
Speaker 1: Coppin copin', i'm not, sure, BUT yeah so i mean
Speaker 1: there is that one that we've talked, about before too
Speaker 1: a massive staircase that we thought had a bunch of,
Speaker 1: artwork on it and then once we realized that we
Speaker 1: could decipher this alphabet and, read the words, it's, like,
Speaker 1: no no no they built this to. Tell a story
Speaker 1: these pictures. Are actually Words it's, like Egyptian Hieroglyphs but
Speaker 1: meso american styled. All these, things but Yeah so The
Speaker 1: temple of inscriptions has The second longest mayan texts that
Speaker 1: we've recovered, at to date.
Speaker 2: An actual, like you know descriptive monument of. Sorts, or
Speaker 2: tempa oh it, is a temple. So it says for
Speaker 2: a century after palin, qu was discovered the pyramid was
Speaker 2: thought to be a religious center, in the city as the,
Speaker 2: inscriptions were Undecipherable until the Mexican Archaeologist or alberto ruiz
Speaker 2: recognized that the walls of the small temple continued down.
Speaker 2: Below the floor he discovered that the platform the platform
Speaker 2: of the floor had drill holes which had been sealed,
Speaker 2: by stone plugs and Surmised that the maya had lowered
Speaker 2: the floor into, place with ropes perhaps a to seal
Speaker 2: a royal tomb between nineteen forty eight and NINETEEN. Fifty,
Speaker 2: two ce well what is that like seventy? Five, years,
Speaker 2: ago OKAY yeah. The ce shit it. Throws me off.
Speaker 1: I'm telling you for, our entire upbringing it WAS always
Speaker 1: A D. And b c now all, of A sudden
Speaker 1: IT'S bce AND ce and i know that's like that
Speaker 1: that difficult to translate and just like memorize at the
Speaker 1: same time when you're when you're so ACCUSTOMED to saying
Speaker 1: bc and you just see that it ACCIDENTALLY comes.
Speaker 2: OUT i find i mean, at that point Then just
Speaker 2: taking god we trust off of, the dollar bills? You
Speaker 2: know what i'may?
Speaker 1: Fighting for? It? Are they oh they've been fighting for
Speaker 1: that for years because this Is not. A christian, nation,
Speaker 1: IT'S like, Bro.
Speaker 2: I mean god doesn't Have, To, be christian.
Speaker 1: No he doesn't, that's the thing like you Could, say
Speaker 1: in god What? Is your God that's the god. We're
Speaker 1: talking about but people want to be some type of, way.
Speaker 2: ABOUT it, right i Mean the the Freemasons. Have a
Speaker 2: god it's like the light, or some Shit Isn't, IT.
Speaker 1: Literally well i mean they Call it. The grand architect
Speaker 1: but like the pyramid on the back, of THE dollar
Speaker 1: That i of providence, is the, eye they say of.
Speaker 1: The grand Architects that's. A masonic deity which but that's,
Speaker 1: the Thing though the freemasons acknowledged that could be any
Speaker 1: of the deities that humans recognize as Just. Like The
Speaker 1: creator the hindus have a, version Of, that The, muslims
Speaker 1: The jews the. Pagans or whatever everybody's, got, A creator
Speaker 1: dude so like that's the One they, talk, but, Anyway.
Speaker 2: Right right so? Where? Were, we okay so between nineteen
Speaker 2: forty eight and, NINETEEN fifty Two a d ruiz worked
Speaker 2: with his team excavating the temple and finally discovered The
Speaker 2: tomb Of. Pecol the great he shone his flashlight down, into,
Speaker 2: the tomb and, as he writes out of the dim
Speaker 2: shadows emerged a vision from, a fairy tale a fantastic
Speaker 2: ethereal site. From another world it seemed a huge magic
Speaker 2: grotto carved, out of ice the walls sparkling and glistening,
Speaker 2: like snow crystals delicate festoons of stalactites hung hung like tassels,
Speaker 2: of a curtain and the stalagmites on the floor look
Speaker 2: like drippings from. A great, candle the, impression in fact
Speaker 2: was that of. An abandoned chapel across the walls marched
Speaker 2: stucco figures. In low relief then my eyes saw it.
Speaker 2: To the floor this was almost entirely filled with a
Speaker 2: great carved stone slab.
Speaker 5: In.
Speaker 2: Perfect, condition damn.
Speaker 1: Indeed the stone slab was The, sarcophagus, of pakal, which
Speaker 1: when Removed Revealed, the great king wearing a jade mask
Speaker 1: and Adorned As The mayan maize god in the jay
Speaker 1: jewelry and. Beaded net Skirt The historian claire gibson commented,
Speaker 1: in his writings the beaded Net skirt that pecall is
Speaker 1: wearing connects Him With, the maize god who maybe depicted
Speaker 1: dress in it in scenes in which he is shown
Speaker 1: Dancing Out Of, zibalba Oh chibalba. The mayan underworld this
Speaker 1: type of skirt was Usually worn, by mayan women But
Speaker 1: Adorns the maze god to signify his. Power of fertility
Speaker 1: pacall would have expected to Have Emulated the maze god
Speaker 1: in being resurrected. Following his death.
Speaker 2: That's interesting his. Powers of, fertility.
Speaker 1: Well right yeah like the skirt was a feminine ware
Speaker 1: like then, all the things but the, god in Question,
Speaker 1: the maze god. Was a male so although females are
Speaker 1: the ones that give birth, in this, culture the male
Speaker 1: or at least the fertility god, was a male which
Speaker 1: is huh.
Speaker 2: Kind of interesting that's very opposite of almost every other.
Speaker 2: Ancient culture agreed but, that being said unless he was like,
Speaker 2: a dualistic god.
Speaker 1: Makes you wonder FROM from, what i found there wasn't.
Speaker 1: A dualistic god as far as the. Minds were concerned
Speaker 1: they were very strict about the male, and THE female
Speaker 1: not i want to use the, term gender roles, but
Speaker 1: also yeah. The gender roles like you you didn't have
Speaker 1: female warriors or. Things, like that like that's not how.
Speaker 1: It got down but somehow the fertility god just ended
Speaker 1: up happening to. Be a dude but he was wearing,
Speaker 1: a JADE skirt which i don't think meant that he
Speaker 1: was trans or androgynist. BY any. MEANS i don't i.
Speaker 1: Don't honestly know we don't need men.
Speaker 2: MAKING female, decisions i mean except for if you want,
Speaker 2: to become fertile you, worship, the male, okay.
Speaker 1: You know and. That's, the thing yeah we want women
Speaker 1: don't want men men explaining their way. Into female, decisions,
Speaker 1: ALL right dope i would like. THE same respect i
Speaker 1: would like females to butt out of men's. Issues and
Speaker 1: things but then all, of a sudden.
Speaker 2: You're being oppressive oh?
Speaker 1: How dare, you right now this is the, carving in
Speaker 1: question this is the lid, of his sarcophagus and we're
Speaker 1: gonna break everything down on it in a more, let's
Speaker 1: just say conspiratorial way moving forward. In the, conversation but
Speaker 1: anyway let's continue talking. About the tone this is Supposed
Speaker 1: to Be pacala The great and chibalba, Or the underworld
Speaker 1: so take that for.
Speaker 2: What it is what. A carving though they were so
Speaker 2: intricate and all their, carvings AND everything like i mean
Speaker 2: not Even, just the mayans But all. THE ancine, cultures
Speaker 2: i mean it was really. Quite the skill the amount
Speaker 2: of time and like patience, it would take like imagine
Speaker 2: probably just a little corner of that would probably.
Speaker 1: Take, TWO weeks oh i, mean, for us yes because
Speaker 1: we don't, do stone working but like to, a stone,
Speaker 1: mason you, KNOW it's oh i could probably crack that out.
Speaker 1: In a week the whole SARCOPHAGA is glid i don't
Speaker 1: know that. FOR a fact i don't know like what tools,
Speaker 1: they were using because even today with our, modern stone
Speaker 1: masons they're. Using steel tools right, to our knowledge the
Speaker 1: mines did, not have steel so like they were using some,
Speaker 1: type of metal but it had to be hard enough to.
Speaker 1: Chisel that, away but yeah it's very labor intensive work back.
Speaker 2: IN these, days I meanwhile the amish are. Like two
Speaker 2: weeks i'll knocked out out in the weekend. Right Every time.
Speaker 1: Now i'm, on The weekend but i'm gonna need, about
Speaker 1: you know ten grand.
Speaker 2: To do, it but whatever and a. Couple of, horses
Speaker 2: oh oh.
Speaker 1: You're thrown in some horses. As, a sweetener man we
Speaker 1: can knock that price down to. Maybe nine kah.
Speaker 2: So the tomb contained a great, quantity, of. Earrings wristlets
Speaker 2: bracelet what's the difference between a wristlet. AND a bracelet
Speaker 2: i think they'd be.
Speaker 1: The, same doll no maybe wristlets go more uh, up
Speaker 1: the arm but then you would call.
Speaker 2: IT an armband, I don't know. I, don't, know wristlets
Speaker 2: bracelets and necklaces and a jade bas relief. Of high
Speaker 2: quality stuart Writes that the maya held jade in esteem
Speaker 2: equal to ketzel plumes the feathers of, the ketzel bird
Speaker 2: in part because they saw in they saw in the
Speaker 2: green of both a symbol of. Life the elite the
Speaker 2: elite wore jade jewelry, by the, pound in, necklaces ear ornaments,
Speaker 2: bracelets and anklets. And on belts none, of, the treasures
Speaker 2: however proved As valuable to mayanists as the, sarcophagus lid
Speaker 2: itself Which depicted the maya view of the cosmos.
Speaker 1: So real quick the, mask in question that's the mask
Speaker 1: that he was wearing inside. Of, the tomb oh.
Speaker 2: IT makes sense i mean they held jade in, such
Speaker 2: HIGH regards so i wonder why.
Speaker 1: They thought the green was a. Symbol of life plus
Speaker 1: jade is it's, easy TO work and i mean like relatively.
Speaker 1: Easy to work it's not like diamond where you have
Speaker 1: to have some sort of special lives material to. CARVE
Speaker 1: it down i. Literally just NOT last night I watched
Speaker 1: the chinese dude make. A jade pillow i. Think it's
Speaker 1: stupid it's a pillow made out of, A fucking rock
Speaker 1: but like it's a traditional thing.
Speaker 2: That They do uncomfort.
Speaker 1: It looks uncomfortable as, hell to me but apparently that's
Speaker 1: the thing that They've Done in southeast asia. For a, while,
Speaker 1: but it's uh it's brittle and therefore you. Can WORK
Speaker 1: it so i wonder if.
Speaker 2: It compares to Like, out in arizona like turquoise is.
Speaker 2: A big thing you could.
Speaker 1: Make, the, comparison sure yeah.
Speaker 2: Like all that. KIND of stuff i wonder if it's
Speaker 2: like it's like because it's, blue and green that it
Speaker 2: symbolizes like all Of earth Or heaven and earth or
Speaker 2: something like that whenever you. Combine the, two.
Speaker 1: VERY possibly and i think there's something to be said for,
Speaker 1: that for sure aside from it just having a, really,
Speaker 1: cool color, right like uh Same, way the, egyptians like
Speaker 1: uh lapis lazool was how they use for all the blues,
Speaker 1: that they did and all The all the egyptian sarcophagal
Speaker 1: masks were gold and the blue lines and all that
Speaker 1: were made, out of lapis and like it's gorgeous in
Speaker 1: comparison with the blue and the. Gold LIKE that and
Speaker 1: i guess because these colors stand, out in, NATURE you,
Speaker 1: know i mean as you're mining for stuff in a
Speaker 1: cave or in the dirt and you pull out this
Speaker 1: really bright blue green rock that's gonna stand. Out, IN comparison,
Speaker 1: SO i mean.
Speaker 2: I don't know do you think that the stones, or
Speaker 2: you know these kind of rocks or crystals or whatever
Speaker 2: were more symbolic of something or actually had some kind
Speaker 2: of properties that would help them get to what they were.
Speaker 2: Trying to.
Speaker 1: ACCOMPLISH possibly, both I mean like, i said here they
Speaker 1: saw jade basically equal to the plumes. Of their god
Speaker 1: we talked about, quets, a quadle right The flying snake god.
Speaker 1: That they worshiped there were feathers on The, flying snake
Speaker 1: God and the mayans hailed the same ESTEEM to oh
Speaker 1: i have One of, the god's FEATHERS to oh i
Speaker 1: have this. Shard of jade they saw it as one and.
Speaker 1: The same thing so maybe it wasn't just for the
Speaker 1: looks and. Appeal of it perhaps there was something a little.
Speaker 1: Extra to it we don't really know if they were
Speaker 1: using these things in some sort of, a spiritual manner
Speaker 1: but we do know that they gave spiritual. Significance TO
Speaker 1: it but i mean that's the same thing to say
Speaker 1: that like the Royal, gems, in england right, the crown
Speaker 1: jewels are these jewels inherently giving the royals a higher
Speaker 1: mind to. Lead the people or is it that there
Speaker 1: is just the look appeal of it and, all these
Speaker 1: things or maybe there's something dualistic happening. IN that, sense
Speaker 1: i mean who can, really.
Speaker 2: Say yeah yeah well and then you got pacall sarcophagus. And,
Speaker 2: Identity Controversy.
Speaker 1: Yeah so i'll cut ahead to this one before we.
Speaker 1: Read into it, the thing is We know that pecall
Speaker 1: died when. He was eighty the body inside of the
Speaker 1: tomb was, forty years old so we don't really know
Speaker 1: what the hell that's why instead of a rocket ship
Speaker 1: some people have, said time machine or is there maybe
Speaker 1: some controversy going on of, a fake identity but.
Speaker 2: Maybe you found a way to. Slow down Aging.
Speaker 1: See what i'm saying is where we're getting into. The wild. Shit.
Speaker 2: Let's read so the sarcophagus lid measures three point six,
Speaker 2: by two meters which would be twelve, by seven feet
Speaker 2: and shows a man tilting backwards at the base of
Speaker 2: a tree with a bird high, at the top either
Speaker 2: falling into or springing out of what appears to be.
Speaker 2: A large urn glyphs and symbols run around the edges,
Speaker 2: of the lid all representing Important components. Of mayan cosmology
Speaker 2: pacaul's sarcophagus is what he is best known for in
Speaker 2: the modern day as, ancient Alien theorists Following eric van
Speaker 2: danikin's interpretation In his book Chariots, OF the gods i
Speaker 2: want to read THAT one day i hear a lot
Speaker 2: of people. Talk about that claimed in the lid depicts
Speaker 2: a man riding on, a rocket ship smoke issuing from
Speaker 2: an exhaust, pipe behind him and the glyphs. Representing outer,
Speaker 2: space in reality the Relief Shows, the world Tree which
Speaker 2: the maya believed had its roots, in the underworld trunk
Speaker 2: on the earthly plane and Branches, high In paradise and pecau's.
Speaker 2: Relationship to. It in death the king is depicted either
Speaker 2: at the moment of his death following a falling from
Speaker 2: the earthly Plane, down to shibalba or at the moment
Speaker 2: of his resurrection from the underworld climbing Up To the World.
Speaker 2: Tree toward paradise the adornments along the edges represent the
Speaker 2: sky and other glyphs the sun, and the moon and
Speaker 2: still others Past rulers Of palanqui and pacau's. Place among
Speaker 2: them the bird at the top of the Tree is
Speaker 2: The bird of heaven also Known As the Celestial Bird or,
Speaker 2: principal bird deity who represents the realm of the gods,
Speaker 2: in this piece and The urn beneath pacall is The
Speaker 2: entrance to hibalba once once one Is acquainted with, maya
Speaker 2: cosmological concepts there is nothing mysterious about The lid, Of
Speaker 2: pacall's sarcophagus but in, nineteen fifty two scholars know or
Speaker 2: knew far less than they do in, the modern day
Speaker 2: and so the relief was more open to interpretation at
Speaker 2: the Time when von anakin wrote his book in nineteen
Speaker 2: sixty eight than. It is today no credible scholar in
Speaker 2: the modern day accepts the lid is depicting anything having
Speaker 2: to do with a rocket ship, or an astronaut but
Speaker 2: some writers still persist in raising debate over the interpretation of.
Speaker 2: The piece, controversy.
Speaker 1: Real, quick real. QUICK real quick i understand there's going
Speaker 1: to be people that are going to, be THROWING shade
Speaker 1: and i have an article pulled up from somebody who
Speaker 1: is going to break down the conspiratorial thought process and
Speaker 1: show this can't be. Because, of xyz however even if
Speaker 1: You're uninitiated, into, mayan COSMOLOGY okay and i understand where
Speaker 1: they're coming. From with this at The Time when the
Speaker 1: Chariots of the, gods was written most People didn't know most,
Speaker 1: regular people anyway had no idea how to. Read these
Speaker 1: glyphs they had no idea what they. Were looking at,
Speaker 1: that being said there is more than just the s
Speaker 1: like the sarcophagus lid is interesting and it's a very very,
Speaker 1: eyebrow raising artifact. If you will but that is not
Speaker 1: the only bit, of. This controversy right the Fact that when,
Speaker 1: pecaul took over his first thought was to start having,
Speaker 1: massive building projects exemplifying and glorifying the history of his
Speaker 1: people and the future, of his people all these things when,
Speaker 1: he was twelve a twelve year old immediately got to
Speaker 1: work in constructing these massive. Monuments and structures there are
Speaker 1: some that say that he might have had a little
Speaker 1: more intellect and a. Little more insight who gave? That
Speaker 1: to him where he? Come by it who knows that
Speaker 1: led him? Down this path then we get to, the
Speaker 1: other controversy and let's keep reading in.
Speaker 2: On that one so controversy also raged over the identity
Speaker 2: of the skeleton. Inside the tomb it was found that
Speaker 2: the skeleton's teeth were in very good condition and indicated
Speaker 2: a mail of around the age of forty at the.
Speaker 2: Time of death since Archaeologists knew that pecaul died at
Speaker 2: the age of eighty once they had dated the monuments
Speaker 2: and buildings constructed, during his reign the findings of the
Speaker 2: epigraphers epigraphers Yeah who identified pacall as the skelet and
Speaker 2: the tomb were. Called Into question David Kelly and floyd
Speaker 2: loundsbury were the first epigraphers to identify the tomb As
Speaker 2: Belonging to lord pacall of palanqu and their work was
Speaker 2: Later Continued by Peter Matthews. And linda, schell physical anthropologists for,
Speaker 2: the most part contend that the tomb had to belong
Speaker 2: to a younger man and the epigraphers had made a
Speaker 2: mistake in identifying it As, that of pacall while cultural
Speaker 2: cultural anthropologist stood by the identification.
Speaker 1: And, their work so just so, we're clear here anthropology
Speaker 1: is kind of an, open. Ended discussion right it's the
Speaker 1: study of different peoples in different cultures from. Around the world,
Speaker 1: that being said there is infighting to. This exact artifact
Speaker 1: never mind the fact that it was in a tomb
Speaker 1: that No one, disputes, pacall built right and it was his,
Speaker 1: personal worship center and he built it to be his tomb.
Speaker 1: Upon his death never mind, all of that never mind
Speaker 1: the jade skirt that the guy was wearing or, the
Speaker 1: jade mask and knowing that it was that saw himself as.
Speaker 1: The intermediary deity you have two, groups of anthropologists one
Speaker 1: saying This is. Clearly pacall's tomb the other group is
Speaker 1: saying this can't. Be his tomb so there's even infighting
Speaker 1: as far as. Scholars, are concerned.
Speaker 2: Right the cultural anthropolology anthropologists sorry stood by the identification,
Speaker 2: and their works so they believe that That actually was
Speaker 2: pacall in that, in that tomb even though he seemed
Speaker 2: to be that of a younger man now just. Because. The,
Speaker 2: age dude yeah but that's, the, thing is, like you
Speaker 2: know some people, JUST age. DIFFERENTLY i, THINK i mean,
Speaker 2: I don't know i don't know how that is represented
Speaker 2: as far as the skeletal structure and the teeth structure.
Speaker 2: And EVERYTHING else but i can imagine somebody who is
Speaker 2: living back, in those, times you know They're Not eating
Speaker 2: big max like. Like, we do nowadays maybe they aged a.
Speaker 2: Little bit differently i'm sure that they were still compared
Speaker 2: to other people of those times as to what an
Speaker 2: eighty year old. Actually looked like so.
Speaker 1: It is weird, it is weird, and you're right they
Speaker 1: different people genetically age. At, Different rates right i'm with you.
Speaker 1: One hundred percent but it's not like this is the
Speaker 1: only body or, i should say a funerary site that
Speaker 1: was uncovered from. This time period and, because of that
Speaker 1: they have a pretty good snapshot as to what the bone,
Speaker 1: density looked like what the teeth structure looked like to
Speaker 1: somebody who was in their forties versus somebody who was.
Speaker 1: In their eighties you might you might play that game
Speaker 1: to say that this person died, at eighty five but
Speaker 1: their skeletal structure looks like they might have been seventy. Five,
Speaker 1: Or seventy okay i'll give you like a ten to
Speaker 1: fifteen year gap. Of, like questionability okay bro. Half the
Speaker 1: age that is. Quite a, jump, and also dude it
Speaker 1: forty is Pretty much in i'm not gonna say, peak
Speaker 1: physical condition but like most would acknowledge that thirty five
Speaker 1: is like the pinnacle of the male, structure from uh
Speaker 1: when your body starts, to, Slowly deteriorate.
Speaker 2: Right, DAMN all right i was just over Here flexing
Speaker 2: and i'm starting to. Deteriorate, Over, HERE no no, I
Speaker 2: mean Meta i feel. I'M with you i, mean physically.
Speaker 1: Speaking a man at twenty five is at, the peak
Speaker 1: physicality but he's not going to achieve his reel like
Speaker 1: what we would call man's strength until he's, around, Thirty
Speaker 1: five right and that's just the. Way this works so
Speaker 1: we're talking about five years after peak, performance years arguably
Speaker 1: and somebody, who is eighty like you're not looking at
Speaker 1: the same physical structure.
Speaker 2: At, that point yes it does make, you question, though
Speaker 2: all right because they're getting these years Because of. The
Speaker 2: mayan calendar it makes you wonder if we're reading the
Speaker 2: mind calendar correctly at, that point then because how is
Speaker 2: it possible that an eighty year old man would have
Speaker 2: a forty, year old skeleton and how they're able to
Speaker 2: prove that he was eighty was because of. The man
Speaker 2: calendar it makes you wonder if there's different interpretations of
Speaker 2: how you're supposed to be looking at the mind calendar.
Speaker 1: At that point, that being said he also etched into his,
Speaker 1: tomb his works and they do equate. To eighty years
Speaker 1: it talks about what he did in this year and
Speaker 1: this year. And this Year so now.
Speaker 2: I'm just trying to think outside of a box here
Speaker 2: or outside the tomb.
Speaker 1: If, you, will oh absolutely and like that's there's no
Speaker 1: one really knows because there's so much controversy around the body.
Speaker 1: Inside the tomb so It's not like i'm trying to
Speaker 1: dispel or prove or anything. On this one i'm just
Speaker 1: saying it's that doesn't. Exactly. Line up now some have
Speaker 1: said that maybe he buried one of his sons in
Speaker 1: his tomb and he was buried in a secret location or.
Speaker 1: SOMETHING like that i personally don't believe that you're not
Speaker 1: gonna build all this for you and then just like.
Speaker 1: Fake your death that's. Kind of crazy but there are,
Speaker 1: others that say like we're about to get into here
Speaker 1: the whole rocket slash, time machine conversation maybe he did
Speaker 1: die in, eighty earth years but his body was that
Speaker 1: of a. Forty year old there's wild there's a lot
Speaker 1: of hypotheticals, on, This.
Speaker 2: One right so just continuing on the controversy was finally
Speaker 2: resolved in nineteen sixty. Six a d when it was
Speaker 2: agreed that as a nobleman, All his life pecaul would
Speaker 2: have enjoyed better food, than his subjects and so his
Speaker 2: teeth would have been in better. Condition, than others okay
Speaker 2: so that starts, to check?
Speaker 1: Out does it because you could look at The, royals
Speaker 1: of europe who objectively were eating better than most of
Speaker 1: their surfs, and peasant class and eighty year old bones
Speaker 1: still look like eighty.
Speaker 2: Year old bones We're talking about european teeth bro like
Speaker 2: traditionally the worst fucking teeth.
Speaker 1: In, the world, yeah that's fair, but even still just
Speaker 1: to say that he had cleaner, teeth than most that's
Speaker 1: not all you look. At for that that's why it's
Speaker 1: like it was finally resolved in ninety six because he was.
Speaker 1: Eating better food, that's your answer is that the better
Speaker 1: food made him look. Half his Age that's. What i'm
Speaker 1: saying i'll give you a fifteen to ten year, gap
Speaker 1: on that. Not fucking forty.
Speaker 2: He might have been eating, that keto, manna.
Speaker 1: Sir oh is that?
Speaker 5: What it?
Speaker 1: Was who knows so?
Speaker 2: Did? You do further as no One knows what paicall favored,
Speaker 2: in his diet he could have eaten softer foods that
Speaker 2: took little toll. On his teeth the fact that he
Speaker 2: lived until the age of eighty and still had a
Speaker 2: full set of teeth argues for a healthy lifestyle and
Speaker 2: attention to. Personal hygiene today is it is generally acknowledged
Speaker 2: that the Tomb belongs to pacall and the Remains found
Speaker 2: by ruiz in nineteen fifty two are those Of the
Speaker 2: great King, Of PALANQU okay so i wonder if we're,
Speaker 2: saying That WRONG that PALANK i don't i feel like
Speaker 2: that's the wrong way.
Speaker 1: TO say it i think they were saying it. THE
Speaker 1: right way i think that's that's. How it looks this
Speaker 1: is a Stone Bust of, lord, Pacall himself right and
Speaker 1: so let's we can read a little bit into the
Speaker 1: decline of palan k because if this guy was such
Speaker 1: an amazing king lived to be eighty, in this timeframe,
Speaker 1: which was wild like, just objectively speaking living to eighty
Speaker 1: and in this area of the world was kind. Of
Speaker 1: an outlier but then the body was that of a.
Speaker 1: Forty year old we're going to get more into that.
Speaker 1: In a bit but then what happened to this great city?
Speaker 1: That he built that was like the rival of the
Speaker 1: other greatest city that we knew about.
Speaker 2: At the time so the city continued to prosper under
Speaker 2: The role of pecau's sons, and their heirs but was
Speaker 2: invaded and sacked by the forces from The city of tonina.
Speaker 2: In seven eleven in the. Year seven eleven archaeological evidence
Speaker 2: from this period shows no, new building construction and inscriptions
Speaker 2: indicate that the king was captured. And perhaps executed there
Speaker 2: seems to have been no monarch in the city for some,
Speaker 2: time after this but it is recorded That hostiles Between
Speaker 2: tunina and palanka continued through seven. Hundred and fifty the
Speaker 2: year seven, hundred and fifty the cause of. War is
Speaker 2: unknown As With other great, mayan urban centers palan k
Speaker 2: was abandoned at some point around the, year eight hundred
Speaker 2: and the jungle rose up to. Claim the city it
Speaker 2: was already a Ruin when the spanish conquest began in,
Speaker 2: the sixteenth century and continued to sink into the overgrowth
Speaker 2: in spite of expeditions to the site in THE eighteenth
Speaker 2: century ce until The Work Of john Lloyd Stevens and
Speaker 2: frederick catherwood brought the city to the world's attention in
Speaker 2: preliminary preliminary excavation were begun in the. Late, nineteenth century
Speaker 2: today The city Of pacall the great is the most
Speaker 2: extensively studied Of all, the Maya, cities even chichanitza because
Speaker 2: of the grandeur of the architecture and the precision of
Speaker 2: the inscriptions which tell the story of its most venerated
Speaker 2: king and the splendid city he Raised. To greatness chichanitza
Speaker 2: that's where that that's where that snake.
Speaker 1: Pyramid is exactly so this site has more studies done
Speaker 1: on it than that site because this dude inscribed the
Speaker 1: entire story, within this tomb and he could give the
Speaker 1: dates as per the mind calendar. All the stuff so
Speaker 1: now this this kind of talked a little bit, about
Speaker 1: the controversy but. NOT a lot i do want to
Speaker 1: go into. Another article here this is from thought thought
Speaker 1: co dot, YEAH dot com i THOUGHT was dot uk,
Speaker 1: for A second the Wonders of The. Sarcophagus, of pacall now,
Speaker 1: as we mentioned this is the temple slash, tomb in
Speaker 1: question and so as we get, into it here let's
Speaker 1: go into the discovery of, the tomb itself and we're
Speaker 1: talking more. About the, lid all.
Speaker 2: Right go back up to that, pyramid at, First all
Speaker 2: right so at, the top there that's the sarcophagus, at
Speaker 2: the top and so the lid would be at the
Speaker 2: very top or?
Speaker 1: Is, That, no no the sarcophagus was inside. This little,
Speaker 1: room so like all of this. Is just rock this
Speaker 1: isn't like inner working chambers or. Anything like this this
Speaker 1: is just level after level of. Just solid rock the chamber,
Speaker 1: at the top, this little room when you go, inside
Speaker 1: of it that's their tongue, with the flashlights and they
Speaker 1: saw the stalagmites and stalagtites and. All these things and
Speaker 1: basically a seven x twelve foot section of the floor
Speaker 1: was this massively engraved and scraw. Carved out lid and
Speaker 1: when they pulled it back they found The. Body.
Speaker 2: Of, Pacall interesting okay so in, six Eighty, three ad,
Speaker 2: mike all right you need to zoom in on that because.
Speaker 2: That is tiny, got your, dog all. Right thank you
Speaker 2: in SIX. EIGHTY. Three, a d pacall the Great, king
Speaker 2: of palanque who had ruled for, almost seventy years died
Speaker 2: because time had been one of the great prosperity, for
Speaker 2: his people who honored him by entombing his body inside
Speaker 2: the temple of the inscriptions A pyramid that, pacall made
Speaker 2: Himself or the pacall himself had ordered built specifically to serve.
Speaker 2: As his tomb pacall was buried, in jade finery including a.
Speaker 2: Beautiful death Mask placed over pecall's tomb was a massive
Speaker 2: sarcophagus stone laboriously carved with An image of pacall himself
Speaker 2: being reborn. As a god pacall sarcophagus and its stone
Speaker 2: top are among the great all time. Fines of archaeology so, in.
Speaker 1: This case right the first article we read talked about
Speaker 1: how This image depicted pacall going through. The death process
Speaker 1: this one is Saying this was pacall being reborn. As
Speaker 1: a god You see. What I'm, saying how yeah they're
Speaker 1: all kind of, saying similar things but nobody can like
Speaker 1: directly connect that this means this and, this means this
Speaker 1: especially because we have no other so cofagus that we
Speaker 1: have Found in meso america that shows anything.
Speaker 2: Close, to this well that's why it's so important to
Speaker 2: get everybody's, opinion on it and not just the archaeologists
Speaker 2: or the cultural archaeologists or. Anything LIKE that but i
Speaker 2: feel like you also got to get the theologians in on,
Speaker 2: it as well in order to better understand what the
Speaker 2: process was and what he was, aiming to do because
Speaker 2: you read Like certain and i'm sure that this isn't all,
Speaker 2: across the board But from what i've study as far As,
Speaker 2: like the egyptians what they believed is that they had
Speaker 2: to go through a death process to be able to
Speaker 2: like shed. Their worldly body they believe that that was
Speaker 2: their way Of. Ascending to god and so people Would say,
Speaker 2: that egyptians, were you know they were just so, obsessed
Speaker 2: with death but the idea was is that they were
Speaker 2: they were obsessed with Rejoining back with god or back
Speaker 2: with the heavenly. Forces, Or WHATEVER.
Speaker 1: Right AND i mean i, understand this too but keep
Speaker 1: in mind that he was Not the only mayan king
Speaker 1: or lord or whatever you want to call it that
Speaker 1: saw himself as the innermary Intermediary force between. God and
Speaker 1: man every single king thought that they. Were that guy
Speaker 1: yet he's the only one that has a sarcophagus that
Speaker 1: shows him in this. Type of way You see. What
Speaker 1: i'm saying, it's, not like oh he saw himself as
Speaker 1: being reborn into the. God tyr status every king that
Speaker 1: died saw themselves. In that way why does this dude
Speaker 1: have a specifically carved sarcophagus lid that depicts something that no,
Speaker 1: one else has showing images that no. One else has, and,
Speaker 1: they're saying oh. That's an urn, some, are saying oh
Speaker 1: you mean the thrusters. Of his rocket oh well. That's
Speaker 1: the tree oh you mean him breaking. Through the atmosphere
Speaker 1: we're gonna. Get to It.
Speaker 2: Give unto Caesar, what, Is, caesar's sir well, that's the
Speaker 2: Idea because didn't caesar believe that he would he was
Speaker 2: like a god or some kind of lord or. Something,
Speaker 2: like That.
Speaker 1: Yeah, the roman money as a, matter of fact on
Speaker 1: the front side it would have his face and They would.
Speaker 1: Say caesar whoever and on the back It would Say.
Speaker 1: God on earth and, to that point A lot of
Speaker 1: caesar's actually erected statues of themselves to put, in certain
Speaker 1: temples and the military would worship Them as a. God
Speaker 1: ON earth, and i mean like, metaphorically worship him, Like
Speaker 1: you know i've got The picture Of Saint mag dog matters.
Speaker 2: And all that, literally for, sure.
Speaker 1: Like literally this dude is a walking deity that they were.
Speaker 1: Following into, battle but.
Speaker 2: YEAH right right i believe that that's probably where they
Speaker 2: started calling each other lord. And, SHIT right well i
Speaker 2: don't know how far, back THAT goes but i imagine
Speaker 2: they probably started with maybe some some kind of.
Speaker 1: Idea like that so lords as far as like saying,
Speaker 1: like my lord whenever you're, like saying like instead, of
Speaker 1: yes sir you're saying yes my lord or, SOMETHING like that.
Speaker 1: I don't know as Far as, the english, goes you
Speaker 1: know this goes Back To, THE middle ages, i don't
Speaker 1: know because you have people that would give each other different.
Speaker 1: Monikers and titles Even in ancient rome you had like
Speaker 1: a domine right, or a dominus which Would be your
Speaker 1: it Was like the roman version of master or leader
Speaker 1: or lord, in some way. Shape or form so there's
Speaker 1: always been that to give like, the proper respect, like
Speaker 1: you know put some respect. On my name that's been
Speaker 1: a thing since the ancient. Times for sure oh.
Speaker 2: How about this the word lord Originates From the old
Speaker 2: english word which was halaf, ford hlaw ford which means
Speaker 2: loaf word.
Speaker 4: Or.
Speaker 2: Bread keeper huh this Term reflects the germanic tribal custom
Speaker 2: of a chieftain providing food. For their followers eHow the,
Speaker 2: more YOU know no.
Speaker 1: I Do.
Speaker 2: So, the mayan City Or the Maya, city of palanke
Speaker 2: had risen to greatness in THE, seventh century ad only to,
Speaker 2: there we go use an ad how about that, there
Speaker 2: we go only to mysteriously. Go into decline by nine
Speaker 2: hundred a, d or so the once mighty city, was
Speaker 2: largely abandoned and the local vegetation began to. Reclaim the
Speaker 2: ruins in, Nineteen forty Nine mexican Archaeologists Alberto relie ruiz
Speaker 2: i'm not even gonna try and pronounce that last name
Speaker 2: began an investigation At the, ruined maya City specifically the Temple,
Speaker 2: of the inscriptions one of the more imposing structures. In
Speaker 2: the city he found a stairway leading deep into the temple, and,
Speaker 2: followed it carefully breaking down walls and removing rocks and
Speaker 2: debris as. He did so by, nineteen fifty two he
Speaker 2: reached the end of the passageway and found, a magnificent
Speaker 2: tomb which he had been sealed off for more than.
Speaker 2: A thousand years there are many treasures and important works
Speaker 2: Of art, in pacall's tomb but perhaps the most striking
Speaker 2: was the massive carved Stone that covered pacau's.
Speaker 1: Body absolutely so now the great Sarcophagus Lid of pcall.
Speaker 1: Sarkavaca is lid and again we talked about some, of
Speaker 1: this already but again hearing it from, a different perspective
Speaker 1: there may be a. Little more insight is made of.
Speaker 1: A single stone it is a, rectangular in shape measuring
Speaker 1: roughly nine to eleven and a. Half inches thick so
Speaker 1: it's not like a little one inch. Thick rock slab
Speaker 1: this is damn near a, foot. Thick rock right, it's
Speaker 1: pretty gurthy the. Little gurthy dog and like, we said
Speaker 1: earlier it measures from about seven feet to a long
Speaker 1: sorry seven feet wide by about. Twelve feet long the
Speaker 1: massive stone. Weighs seven tons there are carvings on. The
Speaker 1: top sides the massive stone would never have fit down
Speaker 1: the stairways from the top of the temple. Of The
Speaker 1: inscriptions the call's tomb, was sealed first and then the
Speaker 1: temple was. Built around it When we release lulier sure,
Speaker 1: discover the tomb he and his men painstakingly lifted it,
Speaker 1: with four jacks raising it a little bit, at a
Speaker 1: time while putting small pieces of wood in the gaps
Speaker 1: to hold. It in place the tomb remained open until the,
Speaker 1: late twenty ten when the massive lid, was painstakingly lowered
Speaker 1: Once again, covering pecall's remains which had been returned to
Speaker 1: his tomb in two. Thousand, and nine damn they went
Speaker 1: through all that effort to get, the body out only
Speaker 1: to return it in two thousand and nine and then
Speaker 1: shut the lid back on the sarcophagus.
Speaker 2: IN twenty ten i wonder if that's like per cultural
Speaker 2: customs that they felt like they had to return it, because,
Speaker 2: THE people, well i mean, it was uncovered it was.
Speaker 2: In the jungle nobody was even going there for, a
Speaker 2: thousand years so it couldn't.
Speaker 1: Have, Been revered no but at, the same time the
Speaker 1: locals there's so many examples right of disturbing the remains of,
Speaker 1: a burial ground and we talked about that right with
Speaker 1: the mummies, in that area or the quote unquote alien
Speaker 1: bodies and. All these things the locals have a serious issue,
Speaker 1: with an outsider even if, it's an, educated scholarly, archaeologist academic.
Speaker 1: Type doesn't matter if you're gonna come and, excavate this.
Speaker 1: Site that's fine you're trying to discover more history, about our.
Speaker 1: Land that's fine you're trying to take the artifacts and
Speaker 1: the bodily remains of our ancestors away. From our land
Speaker 1: now we. Have a, problem so right.
Speaker 2: They at least have to, put it back as that's
Speaker 2: probably part of, THE negotiating tactics i.
Speaker 1: Would think, so and again this pyramid was discovered in,
Speaker 1: what was it we said. Nineteen forty nine no one
Speaker 1: was really caring about the local customs and the inhabitants
Speaker 1: in the nineteen forties and. Fifties, and sixties however twenty
Speaker 1: nine to, Twenty, ten, timeframe yeah yeah people started caring
Speaker 1: about the local population a. Lot.
Speaker 2: More interesting okay so.
Speaker 1: The carved Edges of the sarcophaca's lid narrate events from
Speaker 1: The life of pacau and those of. His royal forbearers
Speaker 1: the southern side records the date of his birth and
Speaker 1: the date. Of his death that's also how we know
Speaker 1: that there was an eighty year. Time on this the
Speaker 1: other sides mentioned several Other of Lord's pacall's, or i'm
Speaker 1: sorry several Other lords of palanquay and the dates. Of
Speaker 1: their deaths the Northern side shows pacall's parents along with
Speaker 1: the dates. Of, their deaths now the sides. Of the
Speaker 1: sarcophagus on the side and ends of, the sarcophagus itself
Speaker 1: there are eight Fascinating carvings of pacall's ancestors being. Reborn
Speaker 1: as trees this shows that the spirits of the departed
Speaker 1: ancestors continue to. Nourish their descendants The depictions of pacall's
Speaker 1: ancestors and Former rulers of palanque include Two images of
Speaker 1: pecall's father being reborn as, a nance tree Two images
Speaker 1: of pacall's mother being reborn as. A cocaw, tree you
Speaker 1: know the people shout out, to sock cock. You, suck,
Speaker 1: cock yeah uh being reborn as. A cocaw tree and
Speaker 1: we've talked about that in, the past too how the
Speaker 1: cocow plant was, Basically worth gold like five cocw beans
Speaker 1: would be exchanged in place of like. A wedding ring
Speaker 1: that's how valuable.
Speaker 2: THESE things were i think a little goes a long
Speaker 2: way with, that stuff.
Speaker 1: Too doesn't, it Oh yeah there'sh it's basically like a second,
Speaker 1: Tier of cocaine, like real shit the amount of caffeine
Speaker 1: and the amount of endorphins it gives Off pure cocal
Speaker 1: like there's people. That stort it i'll try it that
Speaker 1: you could buy the packs of. It right now as a,
Speaker 1: MATTER of fact i forget what the. Name brand, is
Speaker 1: but like there are people that are doing like key
Speaker 1: bumps of pure cocal and they're claiming that it's it's
Speaker 1: not as like, good as coke but apparently it'll get. Your, juices,
Speaker 1: FLOWING dude really I, Swear, to god, wow all right
Speaker 1: we gotta.
Speaker 2: TRY that, Then i.
Speaker 1: Mean i'm, DOWN you know i have an. Addiction to
Speaker 1: chocolate we're talking about getting it at the purest source
Speaker 1: and taking a straight the dome via the FUCKING hoover
Speaker 1: that i have. As a nose i'm down straight to the.
Speaker 2: Blood, BRAIN barrier bro, i mean.
Speaker 1: Chocolate chocolate to the. BLOOD brain barrier i say this
Speaker 1: is nothing.
Speaker 2: BUT good THINGS i mean i would actually venture to
Speaker 2: say you might as. WELL boof it.
Speaker 1: I don't think i won't. Be, Able to yeah I'm
Speaker 1: hoping that i'll, be able to like at least taste
Speaker 1: some of that pure cacal because, of the drip You know.
Speaker 1: What i'm, saying, but like yeah if, You boof it
Speaker 1: i'm assuming IT would, be i mean we talk about,
Speaker 1: green TEA enemas and i love, Drinking green tea but
Speaker 1: apparently green tea animas give you. So many benefits maybe you're.
Speaker 1: Onto something here we need To Be. Boofing pure cocow.
Speaker 2: Shout out To Lindsay from rogue ways for bringing that
Speaker 2: bit of. Information to us she says that's like part of.
Speaker 2: Her daily thing she. Does. THAT daily, Bro.
Speaker 1: I mean i'm not. Gonna judge it. She looks, amazing
Speaker 1: oh dude whatever she's doing is keeping her health and. Her,
Speaker 1: vitality strong LOOK who am i to say that what she's? Doing?
Speaker 2: IS weird yeah i mean, she says that like her
Speaker 2: health conditions, have gotten better her skin. Complexion is better she,
Speaker 2: looks younger NOW and she's i think she's, in her
Speaker 2: forties but she looks like, younger than us.
Speaker 1: WHICH is crazy i thought she was in. Her, late
Speaker 1: twenties yeah like all all, joking, and all, like you
Speaker 1: know not trying to boost anybody's ego, by ANY means
Speaker 1: but i legitimately thought she was late twenties or early thirties. At.
Speaker 2: The, most, Yeah yeah yeah well that's that's just another
Speaker 2: example of what, was your uh your boy who, died, You,
Speaker 2: KNOW pacall yeah i mean maybe he was boofing SOME
Speaker 2: green tea, i don't know. Or some cacaw but.
Speaker 1: But teeth and bone do not age in the same
Speaker 1: way like somebody's complexion, looking, more vibrant right, and muscle
Speaker 1: mass skeletal remains age at. A certain rate but maybe.
Speaker 1: You're onto, Something maybe anyway so we had two images
Speaker 1: of his dad being reborn as, an ants tree two
Speaker 1: images of his mother being reborn as. A Cocw tree
Speaker 1: but cow's great grandmother, is shown twice reborn as a
Speaker 1: zapput tree and. An avocado tree. Oh a vodka? Do's
Speaker 1: get There they're nod in this One we got bekaw's
Speaker 1: grandfather being born as. A. Guava tree Uh This, is
Speaker 1: khan bahlam the first Ruler of paland k from five
Speaker 1: seventy two to, five eighty three reborn as. A Zapput
Speaker 1: tree khanjoi chatam the first he was the ruler of
Speaker 1: from five twenty nine to, five sixty five reborn as
Speaker 1: an avocado tree and a a Vodka doo bro, READ
Speaker 1: that again i know. IT says avocado, i was, like
Speaker 1: holy shit there's no way you fucked.
Speaker 2: That, ONE up no i.
Speaker 1: SAID it right. A second ago, i was like the
Speaker 1: born is, an AVOCADO tree and, i, was like oh
Speaker 1: evokadus get, their nod?
Speaker 6: Here, what's, up, yeah, Yeah yeah anyway uh then we
Speaker 6: got A call mo nab the first he was Ruler
Speaker 6: of paland k from five oh one to, five twenty
Speaker 6: four being reborn as.
Speaker 1: A guava tree so very specif plants that they are.
Speaker 1: Being reborn into and we're gonna Talk about the mayan
Speaker 1: tree of life and how trees were very important and
Speaker 1: relevant to them in all. Of the ways but we got,
Speaker 1: the nance tree, the, cacao tree zappote avocado. And guava
Speaker 1: trees these are like the things that we would see. On,
Speaker 1: his sarcophagus now let's talk about that top lid, on
Speaker 1: that sarcophagus the artifact in question that has made so
Speaker 1: many people question if this was in. Fact a rebirth
Speaker 1: was this? A rocket ship was this? A time machine we'll.
Speaker 1: Talk about it the magnificent artistic carving on the top
Speaker 1: of the sarcophagus lid is one of The masterpieces. Of
Speaker 1: mayan Art it depicts. Pacall Being reborn allegedly pacall is
Speaker 1: on his back, wearing his jewels. Headdress and skirt pacall
Speaker 1: is shown in the center, of the cosmos being reborn.
Speaker 1: Into eternal life he's shown in the center. Of the
Speaker 1: cosmos put a pin in that, one. For later everybody
Speaker 1: he has become one with The, god nan coil probably
Speaker 1: mispronouncing that who is, associated with maize. Fertility and abundance
Speaker 1: he is emerging from a maze seed hailed by a so. Called,
Speaker 1: earth monster again put a big old pin in that,
Speaker 1: one for later whose enormous teeth. Are, clearly shown again
Speaker 1: put a pin in that. One for later pacaul is
Speaker 1: emerging along with the cosmic tree. Visible behind him the
Speaker 1: tree will carry him to the sky where the god
Speaker 1: it's some, monag it's. Them naj sure the sky dragon
Speaker 1: is awaiting him in the form of a bird and
Speaker 1: two serpents heads, On either side so we're all depending
Speaker 1: on who's. You're asking here he is shown. In the
Speaker 1: cosmos there's teeth behind him as he's leaving. The earth
Speaker 1: monster this tree that he is riding within is carrying
Speaker 1: him to the sky Where the sky dragon is awaiting
Speaker 1: him in the form of a bird with the head.
Speaker 1: Of two, serpents you know it's. Very very fascinating you.
Speaker 2: Know what's interesting you bring up the MAZE there and
Speaker 2: i wanted to point out a lot of people believe that,
Speaker 2: what Was it like osiris or One of. Those egyptian
Speaker 2: gods if, you ever see like there's a god that's,
Speaker 2: like holding something and everybody always perceived it to be, a,
Speaker 2: pine cone right like. The pine cone turns out. It
Speaker 2: was maze, THIS whole.
Speaker 1: Time i Didn't know that egypt HAD maze, because i
Speaker 1: mean we would. Call it corn maze is a. TYPE
Speaker 1: of corn i didn't think they had Corn. GROWING in
Speaker 1: egypt i thought that was another type of grain that. They,
Speaker 1: would HAVE.
Speaker 2: Yeah, THAT'S i mean, i don't KNOW that's. WHAT i
Speaker 2: heard i could be one. Hundred percent wrong that's how somebody, else,
Speaker 2: interpreted it though and THAT'S that's. What I heard and, i,
Speaker 2: was like oh that makes a little, bit of, Sense
Speaker 2: you know and that goes back to the whole like
Speaker 2: pine cone in Front of the vatican and. That whole
Speaker 2: thing and, they, were like well that's clearly a pine
Speaker 2: cone and what this, god is, holding you know because
Speaker 2: he'll be holding like an anc and then like a
Speaker 2: maze or a pine cone or something you see, or, a, bag,
Speaker 2: Yeah yeah yeah and it's. Like POINTING there so. I
Speaker 2: don't know it, could be corn it could be. A
Speaker 2: pine cone but it's pretty interesting to look at just
Speaker 2: the symbolism what they meant by that.
Speaker 1: Absolutely all right so now let's talk about The importance, of.
Speaker 2: Pakal's Sarcophagus right pa kyle's sarcophagus lid is a Priceless
Speaker 2: piece of maya art and one of the most important
Speaker 2: archaeological finds. Of all time the glyphs of the lid
Speaker 2: have helped mayanists, scholars pinpoint dates events and familial relationships
Speaker 2: over a. Thousand years old the Central image of pacall
Speaker 2: being reborn as a god is one of the Classic
Speaker 2: icons of maya art and has been crucial to understanding
Speaker 2: How the ancient maya viewed. Death and rebirth it should
Speaker 2: be noted that Other interpretations of. Pacall's headstone exist the,
Speaker 2: most notable one perhaps is the notion that when viewed,
Speaker 2: from The side with pacall roughly upright and facing, to
Speaker 2: the left it can appear as if he is operating
Speaker 2: the machinery. Of some sort this has Led to the,
Speaker 2: mayan astronaut theory which states that the figure Is, not
Speaker 2: necessarily pacall But rather a mayan astronaut piloting a space.
Speaker 2: Shift shape spaceship rather as entertaining as this, theory may
Speaker 2: be it has it has been thoroughly debunked by those historians, who,
Speaker 2: have dined dained dained to justify it with any consideration in.
Speaker 2: The first place so they at least Acknowledge that the mayan. Astronaut,
Speaker 2: theory exists however perhaps it's.
Speaker 1: Not a spaceship perhaps it is. A time machine and
Speaker 1: they're very correct about the way that it looks like
Speaker 1: he's operating some kind of a. Piece of machinery There
Speaker 1: is other mayan iconography that we can look, At, to
Speaker 1: see oh this is the same Way with like. Egyptian,
Speaker 1: higher glyphs right there is a way that they always.
Speaker 1: Had things structured chests were, towards the front heads were,
Speaker 1: towards the size hips were. Towards the front feet were at.
Speaker 1: A certain angle everything had to be done in a
Speaker 1: specific way because they believe that this was the most pleasing.
Speaker 1: To the gods they thought this was the core way
Speaker 1: to show the human form in. Their imaging proper it was, more,
Speaker 1: proper Exactly so the mayans have certain things very, similar
Speaker 1: to this and you'll see those with a lot of
Speaker 1: hieroglyphic cultures. Around the world there's a certain form that,
Speaker 1: they all take and this is seen as. Like the
Speaker 1: standard think of it, in our interpretations as You have
Speaker 1: regular english writing and then You have. Cursive, english writing
Speaker 1: right one of these is seen as more proper and
Speaker 1: the other one is seen as more of. A legal
Speaker 1: precedent so they had a certain way in which they
Speaker 1: would draw these things and carve these things to be
Speaker 1: a uniformity as far as the. Language is concerned, that
Speaker 1: being Said no. Other mayan ICONOGRAPHY and when, I say
Speaker 1: no i do in fact mean not a single other
Speaker 1: artifact that we have found shows the person in the
Speaker 1: center of it in such a position to where you
Speaker 1: could argue he's operating a. Piece of machinery the hand,
Speaker 1: placement is strange the foot, placement is strange the tube
Speaker 1: going to his. Nose is strange nowhere Else in the
Speaker 1: mayan thought process and scholarship is this.
Speaker 2: Scene anywhere else, it, is interesting though because you see
Speaker 2: what appears to be some kind of Spacecraft on The,
Speaker 2: pyramids of giza right like in the in the. Encryptions
Speaker 2: over there so, it's it's weird how it it's that
Speaker 2: this isn't the only place that, it showed, UP you,
Speaker 2: know i mean could it Be?
Speaker 1: Place in maya though Only?
Speaker 2: Place in maya but is it possible because you have
Speaker 2: people for, thousands of years probably since the, beginning of
Speaker 2: humanity talking, about certain prophecies which are just things that
Speaker 2: are going to be happening. In the future could they
Speaker 2: have been catching a glimpse of something that was happening. In,
Speaker 2: today's age.
Speaker 1: Possibly very possibly but THAT'S also why i wanted to
Speaker 1: give all this Historical background. To pucall himself, just we're
Speaker 1: clear he is not. A mythical character he's not. A
Speaker 1: metaphorical figure he was not a deity that people worshiped
Speaker 1: in some. Sort of way he was a real king
Speaker 1: that led and ruled from, certain realistic years and we
Speaker 1: can track all. Of these things so it's not like
Speaker 1: they were giving an image to like. A sky god this.
Speaker 1: Was their king this, would, be uh well.
Speaker 2: Well he, was there trump but he was their king
Speaker 2: as he, was a man but as what he was
Speaker 2: alluding to earlier that he would be essentially like the
Speaker 2: god and the center. Of the cosmos so maybe they
Speaker 2: were looking at him a little bit differently. Once, he,
Speaker 2: Died oh.
Speaker 1: Okay but, my point is like To say that pacall
Speaker 1: was more of a mythical creature or, a fictitious person
Speaker 1: is the, same, As Saying oh julius caesar was like
Speaker 1: a metaphorical. Or fictitious person he wasn't. A real, dude, it's,
Speaker 1: like no no he was a real dude That Ruled.
Speaker 1: The roman empire yakaul was a real dude That ruled.
Speaker 1: The mayans well.
Speaker 2: And after so many hundreds and even, thousands, of years,
Speaker 2: people you know. They get mythologized, so you know you
Speaker 2: started attaching myths to certain real historical, people like that
Speaker 2: and now they seem more like a myth than an actual.
Speaker 2: Real person exactly that's probably where it gets confusing. A
Speaker 2: little bit, i, would say.
Speaker 1: Agreed now all of, this to say now that we've
Speaker 1: gotten the Historical background top acall and his possible connections
Speaker 1: with time. MACHINES and things i, got a quick little
Speaker 1: five Minute Clip From History channel's ancient aliens when they
Speaker 1: are talking about this region and the discovery and some
Speaker 1: people's interpretations of what we might. Be, Looking, at now
Speaker 1: jonathan you saw the lid. OF this sarcophagus a couple
Speaker 1: of times, in, This, conversation right yeah when these people
Speaker 1: break it down and show you what the, hands are
Speaker 1: doing and what the, feed are doing and what this
Speaker 1: tube and all the stuff and the other iconography on.
Speaker 1: The sarcophagus lid, at face value with neither you or
Speaker 1: me being Well read, into mayan iconography we would see
Speaker 1: this as a very intricate piece of artwork and probably
Speaker 1: just leave. It at that but now when you see
Speaker 1: these people, break it down it's going to take on
Speaker 1: a whole different shift in. Shape, FOR you.
Speaker 2: Yeah, i believe, that you know because if you think
Speaker 2: about just the time that it would take to carve,
Speaker 2: all that out whether it took days or weeks or
Speaker 2: whatever you're talking, about hours whenever you could have just like,
Speaker 2: scribbled something down but instead you decide. To engrave it
Speaker 2: engrave it in stone is something that's gonna last forever
Speaker 2: as long. As you know there's no water or, anything,
Speaker 2: like that right and. So it it and, IN my
Speaker 2: opinion i believe that there is probably nothing on there
Speaker 2: that is just. PURELY for artwork i would imagine that
Speaker 2: it's all extremely symbolic in one, way or another.
Speaker 1: If nothing else. Extremely specifically done nothing in this carving
Speaker 1: was done by accent or just to throw.
Speaker 2: On, some, frills, no, right right yeah they weren't wasting
Speaker 2: no time Like, that.
Speaker 1: Exactly so, without further ado let's hear. From, Ancient, aliens
Speaker 1: chichinitza mexico.
Speaker 7: Located On, the yucatan peninsula are the ruins Of an
Speaker 7: ancient mayan city that thrived from seven fifty TO. Twelve
Speaker 7: hundred ad, it was here in nineteen Sixty Nine that
Speaker 7: eric bondanagan had an amazing realization involving the city's Central Pyramid.
Speaker 7: OF el castillo.
Speaker 1: I was standing before.
Speaker 8: THIS great pyramids. I understood nothing i took every possible
Speaker 8: Literature From a central american archaeologist to learn what's?
Speaker 1: This all ABOUT.
Speaker 8: And then i learned again they are talking of. Visitors from,
Speaker 8: outside of course they.
Speaker 1: Call them gods.
Speaker 4: According To, the ancient mayamiths their main Deity was kettl
Speaker 4: Cootal Or, cukul kan cuckumuts all those different names for the,
Speaker 4: exact same deity which was described to be a winged
Speaker 4: or a flying serpent or. A flying snake whatever it
Speaker 4: was that they saw up in the se guy could
Speaker 4: best be described as, a flying snake.
Speaker 5: Where we're looking. Across the world chichinitz is a. Very
Speaker 5: important location it is one of those places where it
Speaker 5: is said that the gods descended to and decreed a.
Speaker 5: Fate of mankind and there is one Specific, pyramid al
Speaker 5: castillo the castle where you see an intricate light show
Speaker 5: happening on Specifically the equinoxes march Twenty first and, september
Speaker 5: twenty first.
Speaker 8: In, the early morning you see the. Sun rising up
Speaker 8: and while the sun, girls goes up you see on
Speaker 8: the stairway light and shadow triangles of. Light and shadow
Speaker 8: they are produced because of. The nine platforms the light
Speaker 8: and shadow triangles slowly go down the step to the
Speaker 8: pyramid until the sun. Is up there the message, Is
Speaker 8: absolutely Clear.
Speaker 1: God kuckool khan.
Speaker 8: Visited the earth this appeared again with the promise to
Speaker 8: return in a. Father away future so they have given
Speaker 8: this whole information of the return of the gods Into
Speaker 8: THEIR temperate.
Speaker 5: And i think this is one of the Great things which,
Speaker 5: eric has done not just in The, story of chichinitza
Speaker 5: but of so many other aspects on other places in this,
Speaker 5: world as well whereby he focuses on certain, details, and
Speaker 5: says look. This is important this is a detail which
Speaker 5: is extremely. Difficult to create this is something which traditional
Speaker 5: archaeology tends to overlook.
Speaker 7: By making a connection Between the ancient mayas knowledge of
Speaker 7: astronomy and. Their precise Architecture eric von danikin was convinced
Speaker 7: that there was much more to his ancient alien hypothesis than.
Speaker 7: He had imagined, for further proof he Looked to, another
Speaker 7: mayan temple one that housed what some say was the,
Speaker 7: First Ancient. Astronaut lord Paca at.
Speaker 9: The age of Mayan city of polanke was a tomb
Speaker 9: that was discovered in. The nineteen fifties and inside this
Speaker 9: tomb was a lid on A Sarcophagus.
Speaker 1: For lord pacall.
Speaker 9: And that lid is very highly decorated with A Picture.
Speaker 9: Of lord pacall and in that picture he's doing some.
Speaker 9: Really unusual things.
Speaker 8: You see a, man bending forward almost like. A rising
Speaker 8: motorcyclist he has his nose on some kind. Of oxygen
Speaker 8: mask he uses his upper hand to manipulate and not
Speaker 8: you see. His lower hand he. Manipulates some controls he's
Speaker 8: sitting on a kind of chair in a.
Speaker 1: Sort Of capsule.
Speaker 7: When eric looked, at that lid He saw.
Speaker 9: A mayan king in, a rocket ship and that guy
Speaker 9: was returning, to the stars going. Back into space it was,
Speaker 9: an exciting interpretation and it was one of the Main
Speaker 9: things in Chariots. Of the gods and when other people
Speaker 9: looked at that lid and, saw his explanation they they
Speaker 9: had to.
Speaker 7: Agree With him Called eric von. Dannikin Be Correct was
Speaker 7: lord pacall really an extra Terrestrial who visited earth in,
Speaker 7: the distant past one who perhaps shared highly advanced? Knowledge, with, mankind.
Speaker 1: Okay now the idea that this was, A rocket ship
Speaker 1: i could see where they're coming, From with this but
Speaker 1: there's no indication of whether in the conversation whether it
Speaker 1: was a time machine or an astronaut or something some sort,
Speaker 1: of a craft some sort of mechanism that he was
Speaker 1: operating right, like they said you saw the little tube going,
Speaker 1: to his. Face his Nose no other mayan ikenography shows
Speaker 1: anything like that going to a person's face. From the
Speaker 1: mechanism their hands are not working the gears and mechanics
Speaker 1: of some. Sort of device the foot is nowhere else.
Speaker 1: Near a pedal most of them show them sitting in
Speaker 1: a almost fetal position with their chest upright and they're
Speaker 1: doing something, With, their hands yes but nothing looks.
Speaker 2: Like, this one yeah, that is man that. IS pretty
Speaker 2: wild i really don't know what to. Make of that?
Speaker 2: Is it symbolic? IS it literal i mean what? Did
Speaker 2: they mean even if it was just? SYMBOLIC or, literal
Speaker 2: i mean how are you supposed? To TAKE that and
Speaker 2: i think that you probably have to get the interpretation
Speaker 2: from a. Theologian in general and that's the problem with
Speaker 2: a lot of, these archaeology things Like anybody any i'm
Speaker 2: not going to say anybody can, be an archaeologist but
Speaker 2: it doesn't it doesn't require necessarily like the the scholarly
Speaker 2: type of knowledge from a theologian to an archaeologist is not?
Speaker 1: What, FOR what no i, Agree with that but again,
Speaker 1: keep in mind, on the sarcophagus they had other depictions
Speaker 1: of other great leaders and his family members being. Reborn,
Speaker 1: As trees right so the process of dying and ascending
Speaker 1: to the heavens and then being reborn, as a tree
Speaker 1: and that whole thing was depicted in other places on the,
Speaker 1: sarcophagus in question. But not his his showed him in
Speaker 1: a completely different way doing a. Completely different, FUNCTION.
Speaker 2: Hold ON i am i? Getting this confused is are
Speaker 2: you are we saying that this tomb was found at The.
Speaker 2: Top of, chiechanitza, now, no.
Speaker 1: No no no they were talking About your guy ruiz
Speaker 1: or whatever, his name is who was also the one
Speaker 1: that was doing some Work. In chi chanitza they were
Speaker 1: talking about how they showed the snake and how these
Speaker 1: people had a in depth. Knowledge of astronomy these people
Speaker 1: had the in depth knowledge, of the sky gods and.
Speaker 1: All these things they believed in. Them so heavily then
Speaker 1: they were talking about His. Discovery at peking i'm forgetting
Speaker 1: the name of the. City Real, Quick, Oh, Palaque.
Speaker 2: Palaque, yeah palanqui right.
Speaker 1: So they're saying that basically this dude shared the same
Speaker 1: culture as the ones Who, built, chichen, Itza right right
Speaker 1: so they all were of the, same religious mindset spiritual
Speaker 1: mindset and all these things ascending. To the heavens that
Speaker 1: was a pretty traversible concept. For these people being reborn
Speaker 1: as a tree a, pretty you know. Traversible spiritual concept
Speaker 1: but nowhere else is there a depiction of a dude
Speaker 1: in a way his body even positioned, in this way
Speaker 1: let alone steering a craft. Of some type. That's an
Speaker 1: outlier let.
Speaker 2: Me ask You as, a christian man what do you
Speaker 2: make of snakes and all? These ancient cultures, is it
Speaker 2: like are you interpreting that as like that's the deceiver
Speaker 2: or are you looking at that in.
Speaker 1: A different way so personally and not Even, as a
Speaker 1: christian This is just jacob's Gonna. BEHALF of jacob i
Speaker 1: have one phobia, on this earth. Only one thing that,
Speaker 1: really and truly if you see me squealing like, a
Speaker 1: little schoolgirl IT'S probably because i saw or have. Something
Speaker 1: near me, it's not spiders, it's not bugs. It's not.
Speaker 1: Roaches its snakes that is the one thing that no
Speaker 1: matter what, that gives, ME the creeps i don't. Deal, with,
Speaker 1: THEM well.
Speaker 2: No, i GET that but i mean that's but there's.
Speaker 1: A lot of significance to them to a lot of
Speaker 1: cultures and religions and tribes. Around the world tribes never, saw,
Speaker 1: Each Other right the druids revered snakes in, a very.
Speaker 1: Heavy heavy way So, did the romans, by, the way
Speaker 1: right So, did the greeks So did, the asian communities
Speaker 1: And So Did. Meso america India, so, like INDIA absolutely
Speaker 1: so i am of the belief that they hold a
Speaker 1: lot of significance to any place. Where, They live however
Speaker 1: i'm not one hundred percent sold that This was clearly
Speaker 1: satan deceiving his people. Around, the world okay could? IT
Speaker 1: be sure i understand the thought. PROCESS on that i
Speaker 1: could see the pieces of the tapestry being put together.
Speaker 7: On.
Speaker 1: THAT one right i also can acknowledge that the same
Speaker 1: thing could be said, about, The, eagle right.
Speaker 2: YEAH for, sure i mean as far as, the symbolism
Speaker 2: goes it's like it's evolved version of the. Snake or
Speaker 2: whatever it's just.
Speaker 1: Every tribe has eagles are like a. Highly. Revered bird
Speaker 1: specifically there's all kinds of different, types of birds but.
Speaker 1: Specifically the eagle it doesn't matter If, you're In, rome In,
Speaker 1: egypt In, india in China, in meso, america and yeah maybe,
Speaker 1: the bald eagle maybe, the brown eagle maybe, it, Doesn't
Speaker 1: matter right they all acknowledge that that specific bird's got something.
Speaker 2: Extra with it it's a gangster bird.
Speaker 1: Of PREY exactly so i feel like all tribes can
Speaker 1: acknowledge that snakes, have, A thing right and there's also
Speaker 1: something to be said for. The human psyche there's a
Speaker 1: reason and why in ancient times if a woman was
Speaker 1: having a hard time actually, delivering a baby they would
Speaker 1: throw a snake skin on her stomach and it would scare.
Speaker 1: The baby out.
Speaker 2: Oh that's a that's a.
Speaker 1: Very ancient practice so there is something we talked about
Speaker 1: This on the. Live, here recently right how dogs and
Speaker 1: humans have been so interconnected for thousands and thousands of
Speaker 1: years that we even resonate with each other and give
Speaker 1: each other. Serotonin, FROM touch right i believe that snakes
Speaker 1: in some way have gone against humans for so long
Speaker 1: that we also have a inherent chemical thing that happens
Speaker 1: within our brains when. We see them some, people love
Speaker 1: it some. People hate them you notice nobody's ever really.
Speaker 1: Neutral about snakes they're either LIKE super oh, i love
Speaker 1: snakes or like y'all don't, Fucking like, THOSE like yeah.
Speaker 2: I, wonder you know there's there's the symbolic understanding of
Speaker 2: snakes and then the the literal, like you know we're all,
Speaker 2: scared of snakes but, to, be, Honest like yeah i'm
Speaker 2: scared to death of. FUCKING snakes, TOO i, fuck i
Speaker 2: like don't put. That around me I'm like bammar jarro like.
Speaker 2: KEEP that shit i will have a full on PANIC
Speaker 2: attack if i, See a snake, But you know i'd
Speaker 2: probably have the same kind of PANIC attack if i
Speaker 2: walked outside my front door and saw. Fucking polar, bear
Speaker 2: you know like you're done At that.
Speaker 1: Going you should polar bear is the Only animal on
Speaker 1: earth that actively and aggressively. Hunts human beings no other
Speaker 1: animal like sees us as, a food source. But they,
Speaker 1: do so yeah you should be scared of polar Bears unless.
Speaker 1: A coca, cola you know THEN maybe. MAYBE i would
Speaker 1: i might test those waters AND see if i can get,
Speaker 1: It from him but, like you. Know. We'll see, yeah
Speaker 1: but anyway so as far as the imagery of snakes
Speaker 1: and my personal spiritual, BELIEFS on them i think that
Speaker 1: there may be. Something, TO it well i believe there
Speaker 1: is definitely something to them, as spiritually speaking from the animal.
Speaker 1: To human transference i'm not going TO say that i
Speaker 1: believe that all of This proves that satan was doing
Speaker 1: his deceiving game to Every. Man ON earth but i
Speaker 1: also could understand why people would. Draw that conclusion you can.
Speaker 2: Understand that angle and you know, what's interesting too is,
Speaker 2: that YOU know and i Know that the Egyptians and
Speaker 2: the mayans. Two different people but as Far as, the
Speaker 2: egyptians go if you, think about it like a lot
Speaker 2: of their, symbolism and stuff they always had a lot
Speaker 2: of symbolism of, snakes and, cats right yeah and those
Speaker 2: are the two species. With slid eyes so it, makes you,
Speaker 2: wonder you know it makes you makes you wonder like who,
Speaker 2: they were worshiping what, they were worshiping like why so
Speaker 2: specifically the. Slid eye variety.
Speaker 1: That's a, VERY good, point i mean and, that being
Speaker 1: said we should say reptiles have. The, slid, eyes snakes
Speaker 1: yes but there's other types of reptiles that do have
Speaker 1: those slid. Eyes and, stuff but yeah there might be
Speaker 1: something to. That as, well You know the egyptians were
Speaker 1: big with like looking at the eyes The eye of. Horus, for,
Speaker 1: instance yeah. Yeah, Big time anyway so what?
Speaker 2: We got, Here all.
Speaker 1: Right we're gonna read a little bit. Into this story
Speaker 1: some of the theories that are that have been proposed
Speaker 1: Surrounding call the great range from being an astronaut to. A,
Speaker 1: time traveler again this is the death mask that he
Speaker 1: was wearing, in his sarcophagus completely. Made of jade, that.
Speaker 1: Is insanity, dude oh, yeah.
Speaker 2: That's badass dude all right now. SOMETHING like, that i.
Speaker 1: Mean we can it's just how much money you're trying, to.
Speaker 2: COME off, dude i mean might have to get a little.
Speaker 2: Donation set up we can get, a jade mask.
Speaker 1: Oh my god Like even the pharaohs with their gold
Speaker 1: death masks. For their sarcophagus this, is priceless artifacts not
Speaker 1: just for the weight of gold, that was used but
Speaker 1: the construction and the time frame and. All these things
Speaker 1: this jade mask is equally in the conversation of being. A,
Speaker 1: priceless artifact oh there's there's no way to even put
Speaker 1: a dollar. AMOUNT on, This i mean i'm sure if
Speaker 1: somebody in the black, market Still could BUT i'm bro
Speaker 1: i don't even know how to put an.
Speaker 2: Evaluation, on that well and if you look at his,
Speaker 2: necklaces there too they said that they wore that jade. By,
Speaker 2: the pound yeah so that they had some fun they
Speaker 2: like shoulder pads walking. AROUND every day.
Speaker 1: I mean it was a, status symbol absolutely but also,
Speaker 1: like you said, for spiritual significance because they saw jade
Speaker 1: as being equivalent to walking around with one of, cuts of. Quattles.
Speaker 2: Actual, Feathers yeah yeah well and those those jade eggs
Speaker 2: are REALLY good for i think some people would use
Speaker 2: them that they'll like freeze them and then use them,
Speaker 2: for their face like to get rid of wrinkles and
Speaker 2: bags and shit. Like that, too, SO maybe yeah i
Speaker 2: mean you're talking about, how this, guy you know he he,
Speaker 2: lived to eighty but. He looked forty maybe he was
Speaker 2: doing the old jade egg.
Speaker 3: On.
Speaker 2: The face bro.
Speaker 1: Maybe he had an ancient skin routine that we just
Speaker 1: don't KNOW about because i didn't. Write, IT down look.
Speaker 1: I don't know i need to.
Speaker 2: KNOW about this i need to. Know about this con
Speaker 2: you zuming on?
Speaker 1: That for, ME uh YEAH i THOUGHT i had i
Speaker 1: consume a. Little.
Speaker 2: Bit more here it's a, little baby, print ALL right so.
Speaker 1: I can read It if you, IF you no i can.
Speaker 1: See it now it's. Small.
Speaker 2: Fucking type So kenich janab Pakal was a mayan Governor
Speaker 2: of the palanquet region between the year six fifteen and,
Speaker 2: six eighty five a period of advancement and prosperity. For
Speaker 2: its inhabitants according to the History recorded in Stone by.
Speaker 2: The mayans themselves pacaul died at At an approximately he
Speaker 2: died at approximately. Eighty, years old sorry. About, that brainform
Speaker 2: however studies showed that his body corresponds to that of
Speaker 2: the man of. In his forties according to the description
Speaker 2: in hieroglyphics and studies that have been made of his remains,
Speaker 2: More than once pacall was robust and measured approximately one point,
Speaker 2: seven meters tall a description that does not correspond to
Speaker 2: That of. A? Mayan octagenarian octagenarian how.
Speaker 1: Tall is one point seven meters convery. Defeat and inches.
Speaker 1: I'm just, curious let's see because like dark about how
Speaker 1: that's that's a pretty tall dude compared to. His contemporaries,
Speaker 1: HERE and yes i understand because he was. Eating, BETTER
Speaker 1: food okay, I understand, that but like how extra? Tall
Speaker 1: IS this because i, want to say the average, height
Speaker 1: of people especially this time was like five.
Speaker 2: Four five, five uh yeah that is five point, five
Speaker 2: seven feet so a little over five, and a half
Speaker 2: so like five five foot six and, a half fish.
Speaker 1: And that was consider its tall. To his contemporaries yeah little.
Speaker 2: Little, baby men, yeah so yeah so he's one point.
Speaker 2: Seven meters tall many experts say that the tombstone on
Speaker 2: his grave portrays pecall sitting in a, kind of ship
Speaker 2: given that his hands and feet seemed to be operating
Speaker 2: some sort of. Board and pedals in addition to that
Speaker 2: would Be the rear fire, can be seen apparently coming
Speaker 2: from the propeller. Of the ship this and other evidence
Speaker 2: around his tomb have Fueled the legend pacall had that
Speaker 2: the had the means to visit outer space and even.
Speaker 2: Travel through time that's.
Speaker 1: Another thing too fire coming out the base of it
Speaker 1: is not something that you see another mayanaia. Icinography, at
Speaker 1: all right if It was The, tree of life he
Speaker 1: might be, climbing the tree or the tree will be
Speaker 1: growing with him, on a branch elevating him. To this
Speaker 1: position you're not gonna have Fire near The, tree. Of,
Speaker 1: life dude.
Speaker 2: Yeah that would probably burn it down, a little, bit
Speaker 2: you know.
Speaker 1: A little bit so this is the, sarcophagus in question
Speaker 1: and this is one of the sides depicting one of
Speaker 1: his family members on a tree Being reborn as i'm
Speaker 1: not sure if this is one of the cacals or
Speaker 1: the nance or the. Avocado, or avocadoo, uh but yeah.
Speaker 1: That's the tomb it's, the sarcophagus.
Speaker 2: Itself all right So who Was? Pacall the great you can.
Speaker 2: See another, depiction uh yeah we already read about when his.
Speaker 2: Tomb was, discovered excuse me this is another image, of
Speaker 2: pacall okay and he's not operating some sort of. Thing
Speaker 2: like that he's sitting on a throne which was carved
Speaker 2: to have like two different heads of like a jungle.
Speaker 1: Cat looking thing but you notice This is, regular. Mayan
Speaker 1: iconography right his hands are, in a yes they're, in
Speaker 1: a position but he's not in a very specific looking
Speaker 1: like he's riding a motorcycle. Type.
Speaker 2: Of position, yeah that's man that's a, pretty, cool PICTURE.
Speaker 1: Right so i think it might. BE his mom.
Speaker 2: I don't know it does make, you wonder though because
Speaker 2: look at it looks like fucking cat dog that. He's
Speaker 2: sitting on and, and you know you don't have people
Speaker 2: going out in the jungles saying look he was he
Speaker 2: was sitting on. A cat dog so that must be
Speaker 2: that must be. Literal with it it must exist. In
Speaker 2: the forest we got to go. Look for it it's
Speaker 2: not until.
Speaker 1: It might have been a nod to the occult reasoning
Speaker 1: Of the ancient Mayan deities That, nickelodeon show man.
Speaker 2: We don't, know, oh Yeah well nickel lodi in remember
Speaker 2: like we, broke that DOWN it's Like i HATE god
Speaker 2: or i Don't, believe in god or, something like that
Speaker 2: whenever you break It Down. INTO greek nickelodeon, i was.
Speaker 1: Joking but DAMN now that, I, SAID that okay i mean.
Speaker 4: In.
Speaker 2: Checks out So born, on march twenty third of, Six
Speaker 2: Oh Three kennich jana pacall was a descendant of his
Speaker 2: mother's side of the dynasty That rolled palanqu when his
Speaker 2: grandfather and, his brother died who governed in the region That,
Speaker 2: corresponds to palanqua a part of a part, of the
Speaker 2: nobility decided to separate and Settle In, Toward, Tortghero, Tortguero.
Speaker 1: Tabasco, Tortuguero tobasco.
Speaker 2: Meanwhile pacall's Parents returned to palankay to raise him. To
Speaker 2: the throne because although his, mother SUCKED cock.
Speaker 1: Sorry.
Speaker 2: I had to, I get it, i get it she
Speaker 2: was the legit or his mother was, the legitimate heir
Speaker 2: the position that could only be occupied. By A male
Speaker 2: so pacall Became governor of palanqua when he was only.
Speaker 2: Twelve years, old at first it was thought that the
Speaker 2: tombstone was, just an altar but when it was removed
Speaker 2: the governor's. Sarcophagus was found it was then when it
Speaker 2: was Discovered that the mesoamerican pyramids also served as a
Speaker 2: Mausoleum as the.
Speaker 1: Egyptians, used to indeed, none of this again is the.
Speaker 1: Building in question so let's talk a Little bit. About
Speaker 1: Pecall's government.
Speaker 2: So pecall's time on the throne was one of. Peace
Speaker 2: and prosperity he married at the age Of, twenty three,
Speaker 2: tzabaku a jaw with whom he, had five children of
Speaker 2: whom were two of them were governors. After his father,
Speaker 2: during His government plan kay had confrontations with those Who,
Speaker 2: settled in tutugero but never. Succumbed, to them furthermore he
Speaker 2: took military action against those who, invaded his territory, always
Speaker 2: emerging victorious.
Speaker 1: Which is a pretty. Solid Track record so i'm not
Speaker 1: one hundred percent whose death mask we're. Looking at, here
Speaker 1: but again look at this artwork and all the specific
Speaker 1: types of jewelry that. Is, being worn again notice the jade,
Speaker 1: being used whenever. Very VERY symbolic.
Speaker 2: Whenever i get my Body, shipped TO maine, whenever I
Speaker 2: die so i can Have a. PROPER viking sendoff i
Speaker 2: want one Of. Those, masks maine yeah that's they Do,
Speaker 2: that In maine the. VIKING send, off.
Speaker 1: I, Mean that's fair but then, all that jade all
Speaker 1: that money is going to be just be lost to
Speaker 1: the bottom of every body of water. WE'RE talking, about.
Speaker 2: I, mean you know Old girl from titanic didn't really
Speaker 2: think that it was that big of a deal to
Speaker 2: throw that sapphire back.
Speaker 1: In the ocean that pissed me. Off so much at
Speaker 1: the end, of that movie all of this shit was to,
Speaker 1: find this jewel, and in reality you had the jewel
Speaker 1: in your pocket. The entire time you just wanted to
Speaker 1: go and tell everybody the story of you getting banged
Speaker 1: out on a boat on Your. Way to america that was.
Speaker 1: The entire point.
Speaker 2: Back back, IN my day i used to, have perky
Speaker 2: nipples and he portrayed, me, like this like of course
Speaker 2: you wouldn't be able to TELL now because, i have,
Speaker 2: Old saggy skin but AT one time i was. A hot, piece,
Speaker 2: she said like.
Speaker 1: It, blows my mind, because that, jewel that sapphire was worth. A,
Speaker 1: Literal fortune yeah and that was how they were funding
Speaker 1: the expedition under the pretense is that they were going
Speaker 1: to find this jewel and pay back all the loans
Speaker 1: that they took to. Go out, there in reality she
Speaker 1: just wanted to, tell these people. INCLUDING her granddaughter i
Speaker 1: should add about the time that she got banged out
Speaker 1: when she was sixteen in the Back OF a model
Speaker 1: a on a boat, that went down and then at
Speaker 1: the end, of, it like oh you mean this jewel
Speaker 1: that could have funded all of this and we didn't
Speaker 1: even need to come out here in the. First Damn
Speaker 1: place now i'm just gonna throw it over the side
Speaker 1: and say fuck The world because i'm about, to DIE
Speaker 1: anyway and i. Don't care, anymore, it's like bro. That,
Speaker 1: selfish bitch yeah.
Speaker 2: She wanted to keep it for throw, it back, symbolically
Speaker 2: you know keep it pure. IN that sense. I get
Speaker 2: it you just go to.
Speaker 1: A Pier Over the atlantic, ocean and, hum that bitch
Speaker 1: it's the same. Body.
Speaker 2: Of WATER yeah, but i mean didn't she chuck it
Speaker 2: Like where, The, titanic sank yeah.
Speaker 1: Right over and she just like dropped it and there Was. Like,
Speaker 1: goodbye jack meanwhile, keep in mind that expensive ass boat
Speaker 1: that you're on had to be paid, for by somebody
Speaker 1: and it was supposed to be paid For. By that sapphire.
Speaker 1: You just, hummed but okay. The movie was it was
Speaker 1: great for. What it was but, then that ending boy.
Speaker 1: Had me LIVID that's, what.
Speaker 2: I actually people Talk. SHIT on titanic i think it's
Speaker 2: one of. The best movies that's a that's a, top and.
Speaker 1: Excellent excellent movie just the, ending was.
Speaker 2: Horrible that's all it's supposed. To, be romantic jacob.
Speaker 1: Fuck That she did froman's gonna pay. For that boat
Speaker 1: she ain't gotta pay, for, that, shit now. No she
Speaker 1: ain't she probably died on, the way back. The old bitch.
Speaker 2: Probably she should have just threw. Her self overboard You know.
Speaker 1: What i'm saying why not go be with your.
Speaker 7: Long.
Speaker 2: Lost, Lover shit so pacall promoted the productive activity, of
Speaker 2: the region both for trade and, for local consumption in
Speaker 2: addition to reactivating ceremonies, and public events which earned him
Speaker 2: the appreciation. Of the people he also promoted the written
Speaker 2: record of, all, military actions ceremonies, and important events which
Speaker 2: has helped historians and archaeologists of our times to better
Speaker 2: study and understand the history Of palan k pacaull's tombstone
Speaker 2: measured three point eight three point, eight meters long by
Speaker 2: two point two meters wide and seven. Weighed seven tons it's.
Speaker 2: A hefty one.
Speaker 1: Fourteen thousand pounds.
Speaker 2: Is that how much? Seven tons is so a ton is.
Speaker 1: Two. Thousand, pounds, yeah Now actually as, I'm saying that
Speaker 1: i'm not sure if this is a metric ton or.
Speaker 1: A standard ton so actually that might even be, more
Speaker 1: than that because a metric ton is two point two,
Speaker 1: thousand or sorry a ton is. TWO thousand pounds, a
Speaker 1: Metric ton if, i'm not mistaken is twenty. Two HUNDRED
Speaker 1: pounds so. I don't know but on, the low end
Speaker 1: this lid alone.
Speaker 2: Fourteen thousand pounds.
Speaker 1: That's.
Speaker 2: Fucking insane yeah they had to get four lifts on,
Speaker 2: that fucking thing four fucking floor jacks to lift the bitch.
Speaker 2: Up pretty heavy it shows that the governor as the center.
Speaker 2: Of the universe below, is the underworld in the middle the,
Speaker 2: tree of life and above The God it's momna Mamnah. Represented,
Speaker 2: as quetzel.
Speaker 1: Indeed so now this is the, image, In question right so.
Speaker 2: This is that tree of life that. They're alluding to.
Speaker 1: They're saying that this is the tree of life. That
Speaker 1: he had happens to be kind. Of traversing on this
Speaker 1: is the sky, god in question and this is supposed to.
Speaker 1: Be the underworld even though.
Speaker 2: These are flames it almost does kind of, look mechanic?
Speaker 2: Though doesn't it.
Speaker 1: It really, does and again There's no other mayan iconography
Speaker 1: that shows anything. Close, to, this dude, yeah that is
Speaker 1: and this thing? Touching his Face no other mayan iconography shows.
Speaker 1: Something like, that all right what the fuck do we?
Speaker 2: THINK that is i have an idea about what, it
Speaker 2: could be but what do you think is going? INTO
Speaker 2: his nose.
Speaker 1: I don't just, looking, AT it bro i got a,
Speaker 1: couple OF theories but. I don't know i understand completely
Speaker 1: that they would think that this is some sort of,
Speaker 1: a BREATHING apparatus and i don't inherently, Disagree right this
Speaker 1: and it doesn't have to be a whole face mask
Speaker 1: that would cover it up to where you couldn't tell who.
Speaker 1: You're looking at for the, imagery of it it would
Speaker 1: make more sense that they would just kind of show
Speaker 1: a tube going, to, His face right and it has
Speaker 1: to be touching the show that there is a connection to.
Speaker 1: His actual face and it's not like they had the
Speaker 1: wherewith thought to come up with what we would now
Speaker 1: see like when we think of a face mask that you,
Speaker 1: would breathe through you might think of like. A, fighter
Speaker 1: pilot right they got that mass that they lash on,
Speaker 1: to their helmet and they got a tube to where
Speaker 1: they can get oxygen and high elevations.
Speaker 2: And all that it's. Not like that it's.
Speaker 1: Not like that but if they would have shown that
Speaker 1: we couldn't, see, his Face right and i'm not saying
Speaker 1: that he even had, something like that it's also very
Speaker 1: possible that it was something close to like a. Nasal,
Speaker 1: fare andngeal right do you know?
Speaker 4: What?
Speaker 1: That, Is no okay So In THE marine corps i went.
Speaker 1: Through this program IT was a csl, COMBAT or yeah cls.
Speaker 1: Combat life saver and for anybody listening, that's a vetteran
Speaker 1: you probably just started chuckling to yourself because this is not. A,
Speaker 1: lifesaver course okay it teaches you a, few little things
Speaker 1: most of which, will never use but like. It's a
Speaker 1: thing but ONE thing that i will never forget is
Speaker 1: when they made us insert a nasal fair and deeal
Speaker 1: into our own noses and then take a lap around
Speaker 1: the building to show. How this works what, This device
Speaker 1: is it's a tube it's just a tube with like
Speaker 1: a oper, at one end and you are shoving it
Speaker 1: up your nose and down your nasal cavity down. To
Speaker 1: your throat and this is too if somebody is they're
Speaker 1: having trouble, breathing or something maybe they got like shot
Speaker 1: in the face and like they're having issues breathing and
Speaker 1: getting air through their nose, of their mouth because the
Speaker 1: only two places that air, enters your body and you need,
Speaker 1: air to breathe you fucking shove of nasal fair ands
Speaker 1: you'll up their nose and you. Can breathe normally now,
Speaker 1: THAT'S being said i could see this being a breathing
Speaker 1: tube that he shoved up his nose rather than war.
Speaker 1: Across his face that also kind of makes. Sense to.
Speaker 2: ME oh okay i was actually thinking more along, the
Speaker 2: lines of so do you remember whenever you were young
Speaker 2: and you'd be picking your nose, and, somebody say damn
Speaker 2: you got your fingers so far up you're gonna. Poke, your,
Speaker 2: brain Well.
Speaker 1: Yeah the egyptians used to pull the brain out of
Speaker 1: the the deceased. With a hook they pulled it through
Speaker 1: the nose in. The mummification, Process.
Speaker 2: Right right but, ALSO right. There I believe and i
Speaker 2: could be just, making THIS up but I feel like,
Speaker 2: i HEARD this but i believe the farther, up you
Speaker 2: go you're because your your pineal gland is said to
Speaker 2: be literally right here in, between the eyebrows. Just above
Speaker 2: it and so it makes me wonder if there was
Speaker 2: some kind of drip of sorts or some kind of
Speaker 2: tool that was being used TO express the dmt out of. Your,
Speaker 2: PINEAL gland possibly. I don't know i DON'T.
Speaker 1: Think OF dmt but i to, further your claim there
Speaker 1: is sinuses that are underneath your, eyes right here but
Speaker 1: there are also sinuses that. Go up here so, to
Speaker 1: your point they may have been trying to touch the
Speaker 1: pineal gland, in some way shape or form, THROUGH this means,
Speaker 1: I don't know that's.
Speaker 2: THE only way, i can think unless they were just
Speaker 2: trying to, get to well When were The so the
Speaker 2: mayans Were. After, the egyptians yeah we're talking like way
Speaker 2: after is, When HE died but I, mean the egyptians
Speaker 2: if we're going, to get technical at least pre date
Speaker 2: TWENTY five hundred bc when the. PYRAMID was built i
Speaker 2: mean there still is A gyp, In EGYPT today, so,
Speaker 2: i mean right so it makes me wonder IF maybe they,
Speaker 2: i don't know if, they were talking or maybe they
Speaker 2: got some of that some of that information over There.
Speaker 2: Into the maya but it makes me wonder Because even
Speaker 2: the egyptians were they they had depictions, of you know
Speaker 2: Like The the third Eye and The eye of. Horace
Speaker 2: and everything if you look at The eye Of, eye
Speaker 2: of horace it is what for what identical to what
Speaker 2: the fucking pineal? Gland? Looks like bro like it's it's, really,
Speaker 2: let me yeah let. Me show You i'm gonna i'm
Speaker 2: gonna pull. Up a picture it is like fucking stunning how.
Speaker 1: Perfect It is because I've seen The eye of horace a.
Speaker 1: Bunch of time that's on A lot, of egyptian artwork
Speaker 1: and the pineal gland looks kind of like. A pine
Speaker 1: cone The eye of horace looks like an eye with.
Speaker 1: Eyeliner On it so i'm not One, hundred percent, well,
Speaker 1: it's like.
Speaker 2: Yeah, here we go stop? Sharing your screen? Did all
Speaker 2: right so check this shit? Out right here? Look at
Speaker 2: that that tell me? That's?
Speaker 1: Not?
Speaker 2: Similar bro oh like, a, side view right? ISN'T that
Speaker 2: crazy i saw.
Speaker 1: Something like a straight on. View, of it okay so
Speaker 1: that does not look like.
Speaker 2: A pine, CONE i mean, i don't know maybe it
Speaker 2: DOES in three d or. Something like that but it's
Speaker 2: it's not just the it's not, just the, oh pineal
Speaker 2: gland it's the, it's the whole like it's, the, pituitary
Speaker 2: gland right. It's, the whole well you, got the hypothalamis,
Speaker 2: the medulla, ambata the thalamus and the corpus colossum all
Speaker 2: together creating the. Eye of horus how the fuck did?
Speaker 5: They?
Speaker 2: Know, THAT bro, Yeah i mean i'm.
Speaker 1: Not denying that but that's the. Other THING too the
Speaker 1: i of horus would be not. The pineal gland the
Speaker 1: pineal glands at the front. Of the brain the thalamus
Speaker 1: is pretty, much dead center where like the the brain
Speaker 1: stem connective tissue connects to the rest. Of the brain
Speaker 1: so to say that the horus is supposed to be
Speaker 1: remnants of, The human brain i'm with you, one, Hundred.
Speaker 2: Percent right Well That's what i'm if you zoom all,
Speaker 2: the way out you see, this picture here which is
Speaker 2: the side view, of the brain and, so holy, shit
Speaker 2: how like how could? They have known and that's the
Speaker 2: same thing with the. Yin and yang how could they.
Speaker 2: Have known that that is literally a perfect depiction. Of
Speaker 2: quantum entanglement like how, did THESE people without x rays
Speaker 2: or any kind of cat, scan or anything how did?
Speaker 1: THEY know, this i mean, when somebody dies especially, in
Speaker 1: like war when they just got their, head cleaved open
Speaker 1: you can see like brain matter and you can see how.
Speaker 1: It's made up they had a very decent understanding, of
Speaker 1: human anatomy and they had like dissections that they did
Speaker 1: on people for a. Good long while they didn't just
Speaker 1: like discover one day by accident that you could pull
Speaker 1: the brain out.
Speaker 2: Through the, NOSE oh, yeah, i guess yeah. That, Makes
Speaker 2: sense okay, WELL even, still i mean it's still pretty
Speaker 2: damn fascinating to see. The correlation there.
Speaker 1: It, very much is very much is now, that being
Speaker 1: said was this Tube or or i'm not even gonna
Speaker 1: call it a TUBE necessarily because i don't know that it,
Speaker 1: is or isn't but this thing that is connected. To,
Speaker 1: his nose again we saw other depictions of mine iconography
Speaker 1: in the video we just shared, a moment ago and
Speaker 1: even that there's a picture of, him right here there
Speaker 1: is nothing. Touching his face he was, wearing a headdress
Speaker 1: but nothing. Touching his. Face or nose same over here
Speaker 1: with this person for something to be, Touching his, nose
Speaker 1: and again nothing here was. Carved, by accident hell there's even,
Speaker 1: indentations right here and it gets smaller as it gets.
Speaker 1: TO the nose i could understand why some people would
Speaker 1: think that this was a breathing apparatus or a breathing tube,
Speaker 1: in some way.
Speaker 2: She or form hold on, here a second because if you,
Speaker 2: look really close so there's the outline, of his face
Speaker 2: and then there seems to be another line directly above
Speaker 2: it is is that the thing that looks like it's going?
Speaker 2: Into his nose could that just be something that's set
Speaker 2: upon his nose and running across his, forehead like that
Speaker 2: You see?
Speaker 1: What i'm saying or could this be a face shield that.
Speaker 1: He was wearing but they wanted to make sure that
Speaker 1: in the picture you could still. See his, face oh.
Speaker 2: Man, whoa, hold on yeah let me keep that keep.
Speaker 1: That. Right there yeah, and, then again dude his hands
Speaker 1: are in a, very strange position not like he's trying
Speaker 1: to grab something or. Anything like, that if anything this
Speaker 1: hand is holding a knob. Of some type, this tree is,
Speaker 1: if it, is in fact the tree of life is
Speaker 1: smooth on all of the sides except for this knock
Speaker 1: where he's holding something and that notch is connected to
Speaker 1: whatever the hell. This, thing IS like it's i understand
Speaker 1: why they would look at this and see something of
Speaker 1: a he's controlling it or these are like a control
Speaker 1: panel or a steering mechanism or something like that for
Speaker 1: whatever the. Hell, he's writing.
Speaker 2: Yeah it almost Reminds Me of danny gohler talking about
Speaker 2: like how whenever he GOES into the dmt realm that
Speaker 2: there's like fucking panels and like like screens and things
Speaker 2: that THERE are like i don't know, what he says
Speaker 2: that there are essentially like controllers of this matrix and
Speaker 2: they're all controlling it like via these screens and. REALLY
Speaker 2: strange shit. I don't, Know i mean i'm just trying
Speaker 2: to think, outside THE box but i have no idea
Speaker 2: what the fuck to make, of this really because? What
Speaker 2: is that what is all this? Shit around him what
Speaker 2: Is that brow.
Speaker 1: That's the thing you have to think outside the box
Speaker 1: even try to even educationally come up with a theory,
Speaker 1: on this, one because again there's no other Example of
Speaker 1: a mayan depiction showing.
Speaker 2: Anything LIKE this somebody i guarantee you this is not
Speaker 2: meant to. Be taken literal it has, to be symbolic
Speaker 2: some kind of code meant to be meant to be
Speaker 2: deciphered in some.
Speaker 1: Kind OF way and i don't necessarily. Disagree with you
Speaker 1: and that is what this article. Is talking about some
Speaker 1: people take it as a code to mean that he
Speaker 1: is climbing the tree of life up to the heavens
Speaker 1: to be reborn as. His deified self some take this
Speaker 1: to be a code of him in a rocket ship flying.
Speaker 1: Into outer space and maybe that's where he got the
Speaker 1: knowledge and information to have all these crazy building projects
Speaker 1: take place. And go successfully maybe that's where he got
Speaker 1: the knowledge to be able to win every single military
Speaker 1: engagement that he and his tribe ever got. In contact
Speaker 1: with maybe, this is him, like you said symbolically and
Speaker 1: code specifying talking about him possibly writing, a time machine
Speaker 1: and maybe that's why he died at the, age of
Speaker 1: eighty but his body was as a, forty year old
Speaker 1: because things go differently when we're talking about the. Time.
Speaker 1: Space continuum yeah.
Speaker 2: You know, what's interesting too is the border, on the
Speaker 2: outside like it seems to be like little depictions of
Speaker 2: something that they're almost like LITTLE pictures of i wonder what.
Speaker 2: THAT could, be i mean could it just be like
Speaker 2: protective sigils of swords or. Something like that.
Speaker 1: So basically they have broken it down to say that
Speaker 1: all of this along the sarcophagus is a timeline. Of
Speaker 1: his rule.
Speaker 2: Oh that's cool.
Speaker 1: And they show like these are specific and important events
Speaker 1: that took place during his time. As a Rule and if,
Speaker 1: i'm not mistaken they even talk about what year each
Speaker 1: of those things did and. Did not happen so this
Speaker 1: was the thing that they Said in The. Temple of
Speaker 1: inscription this is The one of this is A part of,
Speaker 1: i should say the longest Recorded timeline of mayan, history,
Speaker 1: to date well, the, second longest right the other One, is, at, Chichenitza.
Speaker 2: Right right so this so the what appears to be
Speaker 2: coming out, of his stomach that's that's supposed to be
Speaker 2: like the base. Of the tree this is allegedly supposed
Speaker 2: to be the trunk, of, the tree right and so he, would,
Speaker 2: essentially well no he's supposed to be midway up the,
Speaker 2: tree right now and at the bottom this is in.
Speaker 2: The entire picture but down here they're supposed to, be
Speaker 2: an urn which is supposed to represent The.
Speaker 1: Underworld of. Chibalba oh whoa this is the record to
Speaker 1: the archaeologist and. The educated folk they're saying that this
Speaker 1: image is supposed to be him, leaving the underworld climbing
Speaker 1: the tree of life and ascending To, the sky god
Speaker 1: which is being depicted by this bird in the. Sky
Speaker 1: over here and that's him ascending from the underworld to
Speaker 1: his god. To, your status meanwhile everybody that we've read
Speaker 1: from says that this puts him at the center, of
Speaker 1: the cosmos right the center of the cosmos on whatever
Speaker 1: the hell this is. Supposed to be there is fire
Speaker 1: in flames at the. Bottom of it he is operating.
Speaker 1: Something of controls he's got something connected, to his nose
Speaker 1: he's got foot pedals that his feet are, operating as
Speaker 1: well and He's going to obviously what they saw is
Speaker 1: the realm of the gods. Or the sky so this
Speaker 1: is where the whole rocket. Conversation comes in but so
Speaker 1: that's sure that this was.
Speaker 2: A time machine that's supposed to be ketsiquada at.
Speaker 1: The, top there uh they show. That it, is that's
Speaker 1: yeah being represented. As a ketzel so this is, The
Speaker 1: Feather serpent, sky god.
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Speaker 1: With The article the tombstone The cover because sarcophaga is
Speaker 1: one of the most important record. Of the, discovery for
Speaker 1: decades it has been the subject of debate between experts
Speaker 1: and amateurs who have more than one. Theory about it
Speaker 1: taking into account what is known about the mind culture
Speaker 1: and the studies that experts have done, over the years
Speaker 1: the official Interpretation of the tombstone. Is as follows pacall
Speaker 1: is seated in the middle as a young man in
Speaker 1: the center. Of the universe below Him is sakhbakh na
Speaker 1: for the or the first centipede, of white bones Which
Speaker 1: represents the Mayan. Underworld Of chibalba from pakau's body emerges
Speaker 1: a tree with a two, headed serpent intersecting dividing the
Speaker 1: cosmos into. Its four regions, around the tree it's possible
Speaker 1: to see the faces of different deities that accompany him
Speaker 1: on his journey, through the cosmos and right at the top,
Speaker 1: of the Tree the god ittsamna can be Seen. Represented as,
Speaker 1: quetzal right now this is a colorized version of what this.
Speaker 1: Picture would be so you, see this. Tree it's separate
Speaker 1: at the top of these two serpent heads and all these.
Speaker 1: Things around him these, are other gods other deities and.
Speaker 1: All the, things so again. These are flames nothing about
Speaker 1: flames Are near the tree of life has. Ever been found, but.
Speaker 2: All right, well it's interesting it's go back up. On
Speaker 2: the picture it's interesting that he is depicted as being
Speaker 2: red and, everything that, is you know a surface, level
Speaker 2: with him and below it seems to. ALL be, RED
Speaker 2: i mean i know that this is kind of like a.
Speaker 2: Reimagining or whatever this, wasn't the whatever but it, makes me,
Speaker 2: wonder you know just Colors are they, they hold symbolism,
Speaker 2: and you, know traditionally red Especially, everyone like india red
Speaker 2: and the root is always associated. With each other so
Speaker 2: it's interesting that you have the base of the tree
Speaker 2: that is coming, out of him as, it said before
Speaker 2: and so he's at the. Base of it he would,
Speaker 2: be the, roots you know so that maybe that's. Why
Speaker 2: he's red but.
Speaker 1: To your point this is an artist rendition thereof because
Speaker 1: he's supposed to be wearing. A, jade skirt, Yeah, YOU'RE
Speaker 1: right so i mean you could tell that some of
Speaker 1: this was kind of more of the interpretation there of
Speaker 1: like somebody took. BLUE you know i mean it's it's an,
Speaker 1: artist rendition thereof and it's not, A bad rendition.
Speaker 2: I should add i feel like the color really brings it. More,
Speaker 2: into perspective actually it.
Speaker 1: Shows the, depths of it because, looking at this it's
Speaker 1: kind of like looking at a black and white tat
Speaker 1: versus a. Colored in tat it's it's going to give
Speaker 1: you two different perspectives as to what is supposed. To
Speaker 1: be what and unless you know what you're looking for
Speaker 1: looking at there's a lot of this that. You're, gonna miss.
Speaker 2: Yeah, the coloring adds it adds. DIMENSION to IT i think.
Speaker 1: I, Think SO too but i mean even still a
Speaker 1: lot of, this is GOLD and like i don't know
Speaker 1: if the tree was supposed. TO be gold i Don't
Speaker 1: know if chibalba was supposed to be. Some other color,
Speaker 1: it's you know. It's an artist it's like a water.
Speaker 1: Color rendition, thereof but anyway, continuing, it says however there
Speaker 1: is another theory about pacall is actually sitting in what
Speaker 1: appears to be, a space ship and that his hands
Speaker 1: are on. The control, board in addition next, to his
Speaker 1: nose it is possible to see an artifact that is
Speaker 1: probably a microphone or something that helps him. BREATHE in
Speaker 1: space i didn't even see that by his nose and
Speaker 1: think that that. Was a, microphone but okay some sort.
Speaker 1: Of speaking apparatus who knows beneath it what would be
Speaker 1: the head of the centipede is actually a turbine from
Speaker 1: which fire comes out, as it advances and which has the,
Speaker 1: cosmos around it precisely because it is. Traveling through space
Speaker 1: although it is a, rather unusual theory there is not
Speaker 1: enough evidence to prove it correct, or disprove it but
Speaker 1: the vast majority of the scientific community has dismissed it.
Speaker 1: As far fetched on, the other hand it must not,
Speaker 1: be forgotten That according, to mia mythology the gods came
Speaker 1: down from the heavens and taught, them, about, mathematics architecture.
Speaker 1: Agriculture and technology have they taught man to build machines
Speaker 1: to fly and perhaps? TRAVEL through, SPACE i mean i don't.
Speaker 1: KNOW about that i don't know, about it either but
Speaker 1: it is an interesting. Thought, to say now it's.
Speaker 2: An interesting literal way. OF taking it i don't think
Speaker 2: that any of it was meant to, BE literal, personally i.
Speaker 1: Mean who KNOWS we, Like, i said pacaul we know
Speaker 1: was a real do, That died right he, Walked the
Speaker 1: earth he led his people, for you know upwards of fifty.
Speaker 1: Some odd years he started at the age of twelve
Speaker 1: and died at the. Age of eighty so like we
Speaker 1: know that he was in action for a. Good, long
Speaker 1: while now was this all supposed to just be imaging
Speaker 1: and was just supposed to be some artistic liberties that
Speaker 1: were taken to show his grandiose status as such an amazing.
Speaker 1: And divine, Leader very possibly but then we also get.
Speaker 1: The rocket conversation and now We, go to pall the
Speaker 1: time traveler who stayed to Live. Among, the mayans now
Speaker 1: there is another offbeat theory That says that pecall might
Speaker 1: have been a time traveler who stayed to Live. Among
Speaker 1: the maya how is? This theory supported the answer lies
Speaker 1: in the Remains of. The mayan governor according to the
Speaker 1: studies that had been made of his remains and descriptions,
Speaker 1: Written in stone pacall was a robust man measuring one,
Speaker 1: point seven meters an image that does not entirely Coincide.
Speaker 1: With the, mayans In addition the mayans used to adorn
Speaker 1: their teeth with pressure stones and deform their skulls from
Speaker 1: babies to give them more of, an elongated appearance customs that,
Speaker 1: should be present. Especially In royalty but pacall does not
Speaker 1: have any. Of these characteristics and we've talked about that quite. A,
Speaker 1: few times right they would bind their heads as babies
Speaker 1: to give them, that elongated skull because they believe that
Speaker 1: that's how. The, gods looked pacall who was supposed to
Speaker 1: be the intermediary between gods and man as His, time
Speaker 1: as lord didn't have an elongated. Skull at all if
Speaker 1: the body in the sarcophagus Was, IN fact pacall i don't.
Speaker 1: Know that anyway another test is the age at which
Speaker 1: he is supposed. To have died according, To the Numbers
Speaker 1: pacall the great died at about the, age of eighty
Speaker 1: but his remains are that of a man. In, his
Speaker 1: forties however it is Known that the mayans changed some
Speaker 1: dates to coincide with astronomical or, god related events and
Speaker 1: this may have. Been The case was pacall a time
Speaker 1: traveler who used his technology To return to paling to
Speaker 1: ensure the survival? Of his people you have, the last?
Speaker 2: Word, ALL right WELL i actually i do, have AN
Speaker 2: opinion but i want to save it. UNTIL the end
Speaker 2: i want to gather in more information as we go if,
Speaker 2: there IS more because I have a i have a
Speaker 2: pretty solid idea about what we could be looking.
Speaker 1: At, right here, okay fair enough We, do have wait
Speaker 1: do we already? Read, this article yeah we.
Speaker 2: Saw that one unless it's just, the same pictures.
Speaker 1: It's the same, pictures in iconography because there's only so.
Speaker 1: Much of, him, but yeah okay we could. Jump ahead
Speaker 1: anyway let's see the temple, of the. Inscriptions the discovery
Speaker 1: we talked about, all that already. The unofficial interpretations this
Speaker 1: is actually THE reason why i pulled. Up this. Article
Speaker 1: so again they said that it's something like. A space
Speaker 1: ship in addition to his nose that is possible to
Speaker 1: see an artifact that is probably a microphone or something
Speaker 1: helps him. Breathe in, space beneath it what would be
Speaker 1: the head of the centipede is, actually a turban although
Speaker 1: it is Rather an unusual there is not enough, as
Speaker 1: oh wow this is a, completely different article but it's
Speaker 1: using the. Exact same terminology on, the other hand it
Speaker 1: must not be forgotten that the gods came down from
Speaker 1: the heavens and taught.
Speaker 5: Them.
Speaker 1: About, this wow okay so this is another article that
Speaker 1: was literally one. To. One comparison there now it's said
Speaker 1: here that it's not. An, alien, astronaut actually no before
Speaker 1: we get to the hater ade section, OF the story
Speaker 1: i do want to hear your theory. At this time
Speaker 1: oh you?
Speaker 2: Ready?
Speaker 1: For this okay before, you go there keep in mind
Speaker 1: these people knew NOTHINGS of the vedicx or the chakras
Speaker 1: or chi or any. Of these.
Speaker 2: Things i'm, aware all right stop. Sharing the screen i'm
Speaker 2: gonna pull, something at you and, here we. GO all
Speaker 2: right i firmly believe that what is being depicted right
Speaker 2: here is the use of entheogenics, aka sylus psychedelics And
Speaker 2: in the maya it was prof only, used a lot,
Speaker 2: right most specifically you want to guess what the what
Speaker 2: the most specific uh psychedelic they were using right?
Speaker 1: OFF the rip i, Would GUESS peyote but i don't
Speaker 1: know that, for a fact because that's more of. A
Speaker 1: desert thing they got.
Speaker 2: Down, With, some payoti yeah they got. Down some payoti
Speaker 2: they got down with payoti and tobacco and fermented drinks
Speaker 2: and mushrooms, and water, lilies morning glories all designed to.
Speaker 2: Induce something right but.
Speaker 1: At, the same time a lot OF these d mt
Speaker 1: retreats happen in this region.
Speaker 2: Of the, world say less we come to the buffo
Speaker 2: toad where there is secreted psychedelic venom that comes off.
Speaker 2: Of their back and this Was the most? Where? Was
Speaker 2: IT uh did i? Pass it up already history of the,
Speaker 2: ancient antheenogenic use so it says one of the more
Speaker 2: unusual entheogens employed by the mile was derived from the
Speaker 2: skin and more specific more especially the parr parotid glands of.
Speaker 2: The Cane toad the rinella marina formerly known as, the
Speaker 2: bufo marinus a sacred figure throughout The history. Of mesoamerican
Speaker 2: culture the poison present in the skin of the r
Speaker 2: marina or, the buffo toad contains a number of buffo
Speaker 2: toxins that can prove fatal if the if the toxic
Speaker 2: secretion is prepared improperly or. Consumed in excess the goal
Speaker 2: of such consumption of cane toad venom was generally communication with,
Speaker 2: the spirit world although recreational use may. Have also occurred
Speaker 2: the primary method for inducing a psychedelic event was through
Speaker 2: the consumption. Of psychoactive plants some of the psychoactive components
Speaker 2: of the plants were narcotic anaglyss AND a anaglyss i don't,
Speaker 2: know that word analgelescig, fuck, me, anyways, analgesics, psilocybin PSILOCYBIN mescaline,
Speaker 2: d mt. Mussomol and others the main goals for the
Speaker 2: usage of these plants were, for spiritual, healing spirit, interaction
Speaker 2: ancestral communication, enlightenment and wisdom and. Really religious ceremonies the
Speaker 2: effects of psychedelic plants during religious rituals is believed to
Speaker 2: have had an impact on the development and, creation of,
Speaker 2: figures sacred, images mythological creatures. And spiritual, figures at present
Speaker 2: most of the most of the evidence Comes from ancient
Speaker 2: maya art and rare examples of residue of substances recovered.
Speaker 2: From CERAMIC containers so i personally Believe that cause i'm, not.
Speaker 2: Gonna lie bro whenever you showed, ME that picture, i
Speaker 2: was like that is. A fucking trip like somebody was
Speaker 2: tripping when they when they pictured that fucking carving. In
Speaker 2: their mind so it maybe think if.
Speaker 1: The art work looks like they have like some crazy
Speaker 1: psychedelic things going, On with it i'll give, you, that.
Speaker 2: Too right right, and you know if you're going to be,
Speaker 2: COMMUNICATING with, GODS i mean. I don't know i've personally
Speaker 2: felt that if you're going to be communicating with gods
Speaker 2: or higher, deities or anything just just from, my own, personal,
Speaker 2: YOU know experience i believe that, The easiest way i'm
Speaker 2: not saying, the only way but the easiest way to
Speaker 2: be able to have direct contact and to be able
Speaker 2: to perceive them would be through the. Use of psychedelics
Speaker 2: so if we're talking about how he is blasting off
Speaker 2: into becoming the center, of the universe, and you Know
Speaker 2: you got ketselquaddle up there guiding him in some, KIND
Speaker 2: of WAY i mean i think that it was more
Speaker 2: of an allegorical blast off, than anything else especially If. You're.
Speaker 2: On buffo bro that's FUCKING. That's straight, dmt you know
Speaker 2: like you want to talk about, a blast off that's
Speaker 2: the blast off. YOU'RE looking for i think.
Speaker 1: It's very possible i'm.
Speaker 2: Not saying that i'm. Not guaranteeing that that's just. My
Speaker 2: best guess nobody.
Speaker 1: Can guarantee, anything. With this bro i'm not even trying
Speaker 1: to dispel. Or disprove, anything you're saying to be, honest
Speaker 1: with you because it's as equally valid as the story
Speaker 1: that it's Him climbing The. Tree of life it's equally
Speaker 1: as valid as him riding, a rocket ship and it's
Speaker 1: equally as valid as him going through. A time machine
Speaker 1: this imagery is something that has not been seen in
Speaker 1: any other type of imagery, from, the minds.
Speaker 2: Which, to be fair if YOU if, You're i mean
Speaker 2: i've never tried, the buffo too but they say that
Speaker 2: that's one of the ways that you can get access
Speaker 2: TO like the. Dmt and stuff but whenever, you're on
Speaker 2: that you feel like you're probably accessing, all of that
Speaker 2: You know, What, I'M saying like i feel like you
Speaker 2: probably feel. Like you're you you have died and you
Speaker 2: Came back right like my WHOLE, EXPERIENCE with dmt I
Speaker 2: felt like. I fucking died i thought that everything died and?
Speaker 2: So was that is that how the ancients looked at being?
Speaker 2: Like at rebirth possibly.
Speaker 1: Possibly THE only issue i have with a lot of
Speaker 1: the theories that. Are being proposed why does it look
Speaker 1: like he the flames underneath the tree make no? Sense?
Speaker 1: At all right his hands like he's operating something for
Speaker 1: us we live in a modern day where like driving,
Speaker 1: a standard vehicle right like a, manual drive car you
Speaker 1: understand that year's a gear shift and you have to
Speaker 1: have certain pedals and. All these things somebody In the
Speaker 1: ancient mayan world would have never or even seen, something
Speaker 1: like this would have never dreamed of, something like that
Speaker 1: never would have imagined. Something like that so for them
Speaker 1: to have him imaged in such a way to where
Speaker 1: that's obviously what we can see his hands doing and.
Speaker 1: His feet doing where did they? Get? That from now
Speaker 1: is it possible that they got THAT from a dmt
Speaker 1: trip and just put down. What they saw. It's very
Speaker 1: possible you could see all kinds of SHIT in a
Speaker 1: dmt trip that you've. Never seen. Before who knows but,
Speaker 1: like we said could this be a literal depiction of something?
Speaker 1: That took place could this? Be completely symbolic and there's
Speaker 1: levels to the symbolism of every ounce of this seven
Speaker 1: ton sarcophagus lid. Open To, Interpretation bro.
Speaker 2: Well and it looks like he's, On his side but
Speaker 2: could he just? Be laying, down you know like if you,
Speaker 2: think about it like if he's out there having a
Speaker 2: full On trip and i'm not just gonna stick on.
Speaker 2: This just whatever but if he's out there having some
Speaker 2: kind of full on trip and, he's laying down you
Speaker 2: would probably perceive that the tree of life. Comes from
Speaker 2: you like you ever see like certain people that like
Speaker 2: What was That rick and morty episode where they do
Speaker 2: like some kind of space psychedelic, or some Shit and,
Speaker 2: FUCKING jerry's like i. Literally am, time you know some
Speaker 2: people have like, weird you know, correlations like that and
Speaker 2: so maybe, he, Was like yo i'm actually the tree
Speaker 2: of Fucking life and i'm the center, of the universe
Speaker 2: which a lot of people come to that conclusion after
Speaker 2: a heavy. DOSES of, PSYCHEDELICS i, mean i mean. It's
Speaker 2: A theory i'm i'm not even trying to prove it one.
Speaker 2: Way or another but that's.
Speaker 1: MY best cause, I hear you i honestly can't say one.
Speaker 8: Way.
Speaker 1: Or another dude it's very fascinating and it all none
Speaker 1: of it, necessarily makes sense but it all kind of
Speaker 1: flows in makes sense at. The same time it's a,
Speaker 1: very interesting thing WHICH is why i thought it'd be
Speaker 1: a fun episode for us to, talk about today especially
Speaker 1: as we talk about the the ethereal and, the disproven
Speaker 1: slash proven slash whatever you want to call, it, A,
Speaker 1: history right yes you, Got, ONE more yeah i got,
Speaker 1: one more thing and this, as we do got keep
Speaker 1: the third eye all, the way open which means we
Speaker 1: do have to hear from some of the haters that
Speaker 1: are sipping on. That hater rade but, aside from that
Speaker 1: they actually show the. Entire image here oh, there we
Speaker 1: go which is. Really really, dope but okay let's let's
Speaker 1: break it down in. The reading here this Article is
Speaker 1: From misfits and heroes dot. WordPress dot Com the title
Speaker 1: It's Not, an alien astronaut so you can already tell
Speaker 1: where they're going. With this one but we do need
Speaker 1: to keep it all the way one hundred with our.
Speaker 2: Good cult members and THERE is some i, was gonna say,
Speaker 2: by the way and look at the date that, it was.
Speaker 1: Published twenty seventeen the date.
Speaker 2: Though mark mark six on that three six here three.
Speaker 1: Six, ma FIEW anyway SO i Think, i got yeah
Speaker 1: it's about AS far as i can go zooming and
Speaker 1: still getting all.
Speaker 2: Of, THE sentences damn i just had that all like
Speaker 2: that straight up baton bruge come out of. ME just
Speaker 2: now i don't even know where that Came, from you'ur.
Speaker 1: Yes. Indeed all right so going into, the article, here
Speaker 1: IT says when i Visited the famous Maya city of Palanque,
Speaker 1: IN southern mexico i had the chance to see the
Speaker 1: full sized replica of the sarcophagus Of knich Janab Pakall
Speaker 1: or Pa. Call the great the original is Still under The,
Speaker 1: temple of inscriptions where it was discovered. Nineteen, fifty two
Speaker 1: unfortunately archaeologists at the time were not able to translate
Speaker 1: the many symbols and glyphs, on the sarcophagus so people guessed.
Speaker 1: At the meaning one, guest in particular proved to. Be
Speaker 1: very popular In his book Periots, of the gods published in,
Speaker 1: Nineteen Sixty Eight eric vaughan danakin proposed that the image
Speaker 1: on the sarcophagus actually showed. An alien astronaut palanqua was
Speaker 1: one of the ancient sites that he proposed were proof
Speaker 1: of Alien. Presence on earth the book, was widely popular
Speaker 1: selling over, seven million copies and The SAME. Year arthur
Speaker 1: c clark's space epic two, THOUSAND And One, a space.
Speaker 1: Odyssey was published it continued a storyline from His Earlier,
Speaker 1: work the sentinel written in, nineteen fifty one which tells
Speaker 1: the story of an ancient artifact Left on the moon
Speaker 1: by alien beings in two Thousand And, one Space odyssey
Speaker 1: the obelisk proves to be, more excuse me proves to
Speaker 1: be the force behind these sudden advancements, in human achievement
Speaker 1: including the first use of weapons by the ape men
Speaker 1: shown at the beginning. Of The Movie so von danakin
Speaker 1: was simply using popular science fiction theories and imposing them on, specific,
Speaker 1: ancient sites, Including Among, Others, Monte, pieshiu Nosca. Cusco and palanque,
Speaker 1: the problem is now that experts can read the mind
Speaker 1: Glyphs and, understand mayan cosmology people still want to see
Speaker 1: a picture of an Alien astronaut on Pacal. The GREATS
Speaker 1: tomb when i was walking from the ruins, TO the
Speaker 1: museum i passed numerous street vendors offering Small replicas of
Speaker 1: pacall's tombld ONE of which i bought. For ten dollars
Speaker 1: but the vendor also held the plac cup sideways and
Speaker 1: pointed out the alien ashnout in CASE that's, what i,
Speaker 1: wanted all right so real quick before, He continue reading
Speaker 1: so this is, the, Actual depiction right this is the
Speaker 1: actual stone, carving of it which is still mind. Blowing,
Speaker 1: To me right.
Speaker 2: So it seems like they're using it nowadays as more
Speaker 2: of like. A tourist attraction you want to.
Speaker 1: See, THE astronaut, well i mean if somebody on the
Speaker 1: street is trying to, MAKE a sale i understand where. They're,
Speaker 1: GOING for YEAH i mean i. Get it now, that
Speaker 1: being said this is a depiction with, all the inscriptions,
Speaker 1: all the things but also with some explanations. Associated with
Speaker 1: It the palin qu astronaut inscription on a tomb lid
Speaker 1: based relief in Sacred, temples of palaquet and this breaks
Speaker 1: down the entirety of the theory that he was on.
Speaker 1: A rocket ship so at the top we have new
Speaker 1: world found human beings are present at the mind people's.
Speaker 1: Make at home that's what this depiction at the top
Speaker 1: edge of the lid shows guds from the sky guiding
Speaker 1: the spacecraft that Would be boy, quetzel right here the
Speaker 1: symbol for crossing into. A new galaxy that would be
Speaker 1: the symbol right here at the. Corner piece right. Symbols
Speaker 1: representing extraterrestrials perhaps that's what, these things are. A navigation
Speaker 1: system perhaps that's what all these little things that are
Speaker 1: like sticking out, at the front like you've seen an,
Speaker 1: aircraft these days a jet will have like a really
Speaker 1: small metal tube sticking out of the front. Nose of
Speaker 1: it perhaps that's. A navigation system.
Speaker 2: Or if, you, ever seen like what are? Those those
Speaker 2: airships they always used to have those little things. AT
Speaker 2: the top i don't know what the. FUCK they're called
Speaker 2: i know, what you mean and so maybe that's what
Speaker 2: we're looking at. In this iconography the symbol for food
Speaker 2: system is being depicted here this right by his mouth
Speaker 2: as he's on a ship that might take him a
Speaker 2: long time to get to. Where he's going perhaps he
Speaker 2: needed a little bit of something to eat while he's.
Speaker 1: ON the ship. I don't know. The oxygen system this
Speaker 1: would be the thing. On his nose the symbol for
Speaker 1: crossing into the new galaxy right. Here as well so
Speaker 1: we see one. At the corner we see one at.
Speaker 1: The middle right this is the well. Cushioned head rest
Speaker 1: this whole thing is not. A head dress it's. A, head.
Speaker 1: Rest okay okay notice the gravitational pull, on the hair
Speaker 1: so like the hair isn't flying back as if he's
Speaker 1: laying down and his hair would be. Going this way
Speaker 1: it's being shot downward as if he's being thrust up. By,
Speaker 1: his rocket okay the symbol For. The planet saturn interesting
Speaker 1: that that's on the edge.
Speaker 2: Of the way, in a second you know what this
Speaker 2: really looks like how he's sitting. In that position doesn't
Speaker 2: it look like? HE'S giving birth.
Speaker 1: I see a dude on, A craw, rocket but like,
Speaker 1: because giving birth he'd be going out this way with
Speaker 1: whatever the business end of. This transaction was that's, JUST.
Speaker 2: Me well i, mean giving well maybe, not giving birth
Speaker 2: but it's it's just strange how you have the tree
Speaker 2: essentially coming out, of his crotch and could it be
Speaker 2: like some kind. Of phallis symbolism but.
Speaker 1: His other knee, is right here so like this isn't
Speaker 1: coming from inside of his chest or stomach web. Between
Speaker 1: his legs it's like he's riding the, side of. It,
Speaker 1: IF anything, okay i see let's see symbol For. The
Speaker 1: planet saturn this symbol. Representing combustible fuel apparently this was
Speaker 1: a symbol that the minds Used for flammable the symbol
Speaker 1: For the planet venus. Is also present Fuego or an english.
Speaker 1: Fire signified combustion and. Engine powered vehicle so that's, what
Speaker 1: this all this fire. Was right here this is our
Speaker 1: Word containing the this, is our world containing human. Beings
Speaker 1: as ourselves this is where. The people start so on
Speaker 1: this edge of the lid. Showed his people on this edge,
Speaker 1: of the lid it showed the new world of human beings,
Speaker 1: like the gods right in. His NEW home so i
Speaker 1: find that to. Be interesting too at the base of
Speaker 1: the rocket vers the top, of the rocket or the,
Speaker 1: tree or whatever symbol for the, two moon planet which
Speaker 1: was another one of the. The astronomical signs this is
Speaker 1: thought to be an ignition and or a breaking system,
Speaker 1: by his feet very similar to how human beings in
Speaker 1: our cars have a gas pedal and. A brake pedal
Speaker 1: fair enough are these controls. To the spacecraft the things
Speaker 1: that his hands are all over thought to be symbols
Speaker 1: of planets. In other galaxies these other little symbols on
Speaker 1: the edges Symbols, for baby mayan indicating that the travels
Speaker 1: left their seed on. The new world very interesting Symbols
Speaker 1: for extraterrestrial so this was the symbol, Of right here
Speaker 1: this we might call the symbol of. Like the gods
Speaker 1: perhaps it was the. SYMBOL of aliens i. Do not
Speaker 1: know and also these are symbols representing extraterrestrials on the
Speaker 1: edge and Later. On with quetzel so that is just
Speaker 1: some of the iconography. That has shown now they've also
Speaker 1: got this image where they recreated IN a three d
Speaker 1: image of what this dew would.
Speaker 4: Be.
Speaker 1: Looking at here you see the tree doesn't go behind
Speaker 1: him exactly like straddling it.
Speaker 2: From his seat it almost looks like one of those,
Speaker 2: the submarine telescopes.
Speaker 1: Like a, periscope, yeah.
Speaker 2: Yeah yeah Yeah.
Speaker 1: And again i'm not saying that that's clearly. What THIS
Speaker 1: is but i also understand why how would you make
Speaker 1: a stone carving to? Show this image this is not
Speaker 1: a crazy far, fetched, comparison.
Speaker 2: HERE right man i have no idea what to do. With,
Speaker 2: this dude, now IT'S awesome and i think that's that's
Speaker 2: probably kind of, the point though just to allow the imagination.
Speaker 1: To run rampant but according, to this article the hoax is.
Speaker 1: Extraordinarily long lived maybe it's the appeal of seeing intelligent
Speaker 1: aliens as part. OF our history Tv Shows, like Ancient
Speaker 1: aliens In, Search Of, aliens Mystery Quest and history's mysteries
Speaker 1: keep the story Of alien astronauts. Alive and well for
Speaker 1: An Episode, Of Ancient, aliens paul francis, a model maker
Speaker 1: CREATED a three d image of the Alien astronaut on
Speaker 1: pecall's tomb lid see. The photo, ABOVE he admitted i
Speaker 1: had to be, A little. Interpretive i guess so the
Speaker 1: rocket he created looks nothing like the image. ON the.
Speaker 1: SARCOPHAGUS i don't i don't actually. AGREE with that i
Speaker 1: think this is a pretty close comparison as far. As.
Speaker 2: THAT goes, EH i mean i could see how he
Speaker 2: took some liberties, of his, own.
Speaker 1: Some liberties absolutely but it's not like this looks nothing,
Speaker 1: Like this, now it's.
Speaker 2: Comparable, For SURE.
Speaker 1: Yeah BUT i mean i understand why some is sip
Speaker 1: and hater aid, would be like, no, Fucking, way, man, okay, yeah,
Speaker 1: sure sure sure.
Speaker 2: But some people just really love just waking up in
Speaker 2: the morning and pissing in. Their own, cheerios you know.
Speaker 1: It's a thing it. Is a thing now. Let's continue
Speaker 1: here we got some more images from other cultures. Around
Speaker 1: the world the whole debate arose out of ignorance of
Speaker 1: the belief systems and cultural set Of. The ancient maya
Speaker 1: it would be like seeing a Photo of The, indian
Speaker 1: god ganesh which is of the elephant with like nine,
Speaker 1: hands and shit and trying to interpret it with no
Speaker 1: Knowledge of the hindu. Beliefs behind IT but basically i
Speaker 1: understand what, he's, Saying here right like if you had
Speaker 1: never heard Anything about the vedic belief system and they
Speaker 1: just uncovered some ancient temple and they showed an alien,
Speaker 1: with nine hands you mean to tell me there was
Speaker 1: ancient elephants with nine hands running around the earth wearing, Pants, And,
Speaker 1: SHIT like okay i understand why that would.
Speaker 2: Not, make sense yeah a, little cultural context AND that's
Speaker 2: why i say that almost all of, this ancient shit
Speaker 2: you're never supposed to, take it literal Like it's always
Speaker 2: i'm not gonna say always ninety eight percent. Of the
Speaker 2: time it's meant, to be.
Speaker 1: Symbolic very truly and then we can skin continue here
Speaker 1: or looking at the Image from The, book of kels
Speaker 1: The beautiful illuminated gospels drawn On kalfskin in ireland AROUND,
Speaker 1: eight hundred ad without an understanding of. The four evangelists
Speaker 1: it pictures, and winged representations which. Is very true if
Speaker 1: you were to just take this picture, out of context, you,
Speaker 1: would think oh so these human beings just had wings.
Speaker 1: At one point if you had never heard Anything, about
Speaker 1: the gospels or angels or any, of these things you
Speaker 1: would also, take, that like oh we're supposed to literally
Speaker 1: believe these dudes that walk the. Earth had, WINGS like
Speaker 1: okay i see where he's. Going with this that would
Speaker 1: be clockwise from. The, top. Left yeah okay we show
Speaker 1: that these symbols come from the Prophet Revelation. Of saint
Speaker 1: john imagine the wild theories that you could come up
Speaker 1: with if you didn't. Know, the background now let's talk
Speaker 1: about Some of the mayan symbols that we see in.
Speaker 1: This death toll mayan. Symbols and cosmology this is a
Speaker 1: picture of. The world tree as, It turns out maa
Speaker 1: cosmolological beliefs may have may many of which were absorbed,
Speaker 1: from earlier cultures were fairly Consistent across the. Mayan city
Speaker 1: states they saw the world as divided, into three zones,
Speaker 1: the upper world the land, of the gods the middle world,
Speaker 1: where humans live, and the underworld which is the realm. Of,
Speaker 1: the day however these realms weren't necessarily defined as. Good
Speaker 1: or evil every part. Had its value the world tree spanned.
Speaker 1: All three worlds its roots Were, in the underworld its
Speaker 1: trunk Was In, the middle world and its highest Branches In,
Speaker 1: the other World Or. The god realm it, took several
Speaker 1: forms including, the sibia tree, stylized maize plants and. A
Speaker 1: cacao tree the Version used on pekall's tomb lid is
Speaker 1: also used in a Mural in the Temple Of the
Speaker 1: foliated Cross at palanqu so this is that that he's.
Speaker 1: Talking about, here but again let's take a certain look.
Speaker 1: At the iconography these people are. Standing straight up their
Speaker 1: hands are, doing something right but they're not grabbing controls.
Speaker 1: By any means you see nothing touching their face as far.
Speaker 1: As that's, concerned their, hands their feet, their body language
Speaker 1: all of that is, Standing straight up so very different than. The,
Speaker 1: TOMB lid.
Speaker 2: Well i wanted to throw this, out there too? Isn't
Speaker 2: it crazy all of these different civilization all and not
Speaker 2: even just, the you Know the, meso america ones but
Speaker 2: like almost every single spiritual culture out there has some
Speaker 2: kind of reverence toward a world tree or some kind.
Speaker 2: Of tree symbolism so You, have in Mesopotamia obviously, the
Speaker 2: egyptian tree which is called Which is, the Acacia tree,
Speaker 2: the slavic one which is it's a three three tiered
Speaker 2: world tree, Symbolized, by heaven earth. And The underworld in Norse,
Speaker 2: you have yudrsil an immense ash tree connected to. The
Speaker 2: Nine worlds in india You have, the banyan tree is
Speaker 2: associated with protection in the. Circle Of life in china
Speaker 2: You have the world tree depicted with a phoenix, and
Speaker 2: a dragon with the. Dragon symbolizing immortality And then in
Speaker 2: japan you have trees were seen as sacred and symbolic of.
Speaker 2: Life and connection and that's not even Including in The
Speaker 2: garden of Eden with The tree Of life With. Adam.
Speaker 2: And eve right so it's like every single culture had
Speaker 2: some kind of. Tree of life it makes, you wonder
Speaker 2: like how did they all? Put that together this is.
Speaker 1: One of those things where it's like all of them
Speaker 1: had some sort of astrological significance. Behind star systems how
Speaker 1: do they all? FIGURE that out i think that there
Speaker 1: is a little bit of some transference of knowledge of
Speaker 1: people that, have never talked and there's like a kernel of.
Speaker 1: TRUTH to it i think there is some some real
Speaker 1: spiritual revelations from looking at a, TREE right now i
Speaker 1: mean just like staring at one, and, being like ah
Speaker 1: IT'S the, spiritual i mean like really looking at the
Speaker 1: structure of how. A tree grows it takes nutrients, from
Speaker 1: the ground it takes nutrients, from the sky and it
Speaker 1: lives within, our middle, world right right symbolic.
Speaker 2: In every sense really if you look at it for
Speaker 2: all the realms that it would. Be, connected to yeah
Speaker 2: of course you have the roots Going, down to hell and,
Speaker 2: then you know you have the base of the tree,
Speaker 2: here on earth and then the branches and everything up.
Speaker 2: IN the heavens, i get it. It makes SENSE it's
Speaker 2: just i just find it fascinating that everybody put that
Speaker 2: together and they all think that they ALL all, use
Speaker 2: i mean it's like every single version of it incorporates
Speaker 2: all three. Levels, at least yeah of heaven and the earth.
Speaker 2: And the underworld it all.
Speaker 1: Ties together, in my opinion especially like like, you just
Speaker 1: said the root system goes, into the ground whether you
Speaker 1: call it the Like not necessarily hell or the realm,
Speaker 1: of the dead which but that makes sense because a
Speaker 1: lot of cultures, buried their dead so into the ground
Speaker 1: or down below was seen as where. Dead people go that.
Speaker 1: Just made sense so the tree root systems getting its
Speaker 1: nutrients from the underworld or from the realm of the,
Speaker 1: dead or whatever. Perfectly makes sense it wouldn't take a
Speaker 1: decently logical man to notice that a tree with no, leaves,
Speaker 1: Can't survive right so it has to be getting its
Speaker 1: nutrients from the, sky as well either, from the sun,
Speaker 1: from the stars, from the air. From the whatever it
Speaker 1: makes perfect sense that this tree is getting nutrients from
Speaker 1: up top. And down low, but its trunk, the wood
Speaker 1: itself is what humans live with. In our realm so
Speaker 1: to say there's like a three tier realm to it
Speaker 1: perfectly makes. Sense to me whether You're, Living, In, Asia, Mesoamerica,
Speaker 1: europe africa. Australia doesn't matter that that all makes. Sense
Speaker 1: to me it.
Speaker 2: All, Traverses right, yeah.
Speaker 1: But again these dudes do not have their their bodies
Speaker 1: in weird. Almost fetal positions their feet are standing, Firm
Speaker 1: on platforms their hands, are touching things but not in
Speaker 1: weird risk manipulations and. Things like that nothing's touch. In
Speaker 1: their faces THIS is what i mean that it's very
Speaker 1: very different for.
Speaker 2: Almost thing else it almost looks like they got their head,
Speaker 2: in the clouds but there they're gravity centered if you will.
Speaker 1: A little bit YOU know, What i mean like their petzel.
Speaker 2: Their feet are. On the, ground well yeah but ketzel
Speaker 2: is supposed to be like, a sky, God right exactly
Speaker 2: and so it's like they're grounded, here on earth yet
Speaker 2: their their heads are up there in. Heaven as well
Speaker 2: it's like. A PERFECT grounding, and i, COULD you know
Speaker 2: i feel like with a lot of, different spiritual modalities
Speaker 2: a lot of people get real like way too crazy,
Speaker 2: and too imaginative and their feet come off the ground
Speaker 2: and they're they they don't want to, include anything logical
Speaker 2: anything left brained or. Anything like that but then you
Speaker 2: got the atheist or you know or whatever that are just.
Speaker 2: Like two grounded they don't go imaginative or creative or
Speaker 2: anything like. That AT all and i think, that this
Speaker 2: picture amongst other, pictures as well almost proves that you
Speaker 2: need to integrate both the left and the right brain
Speaker 2: together in order to be able to really get.
Speaker 1: THE whole picture i, AGREE with you. I really do
Speaker 1: now let me point. Out something else this is supposed
Speaker 1: to be the tree of life, in, This IMAGE right
Speaker 1: and i should also mention this was found in the
Speaker 1: same city as. The sarcophagus lid it's from, the same,
Speaker 1: spot same artists renditions. All these things but do you
Speaker 1: notice that there is no fire coming from the bottom.
Speaker 1: Of the tree there is no urn that they're talking
Speaker 1: about or. Anything like that it is very much a
Speaker 1: normal depiction of a.
Speaker 2: Mayantree, of life yeah i'ma be, HONEST with you i
Speaker 2: never really saw the fucking fire, or the urn especially.
Speaker 2: NOT the, FIRE i mean i understand what, they're pointing
Speaker 2: at but like, that to me didn't, this, like say.
Speaker 2: Right that didn't that doesn't necessarily. Mean fire though that
Speaker 2: seems to be like taking a. Reach at, it but.
Speaker 1: Okay saying the, Same thing though this is what the
Speaker 1: base of this quote unquote tree of, life looks, Like
Speaker 1: right right this is the base of this. Tree of
Speaker 1: life would you say that that's even? The same base
Speaker 1: you could see the connections to, the same tree the,
Speaker 1: branches up here the top Of it with ketzel. At
Speaker 1: the top i'm with you as far. As that goes
Speaker 1: the base of it that's supposed to be, in the
Speaker 1: underworld this looks. NOTHING like, this.
Speaker 2: I mean it's, pretty CLOSE though, where.
Speaker 1: I mean yeah you see this, flat part here but
Speaker 1: all the extra shit AT the, bottom i.
Speaker 2: Mean it looks. PRETTY fucking similar, I would.
Speaker 1: SAY i.
Speaker 2: DON'T i don't i wish.
Speaker 1: We had something this is the, flat part here and
Speaker 1: there's nothing extra at the bottom that would signify. Any
Speaker 1: of that this has all this extra. SHIT over here.
Speaker 2: I mean it's a little, bit, more DEPICTIVE sure but
Speaker 2: i think that the base stuff is.
Speaker 1: Pretty, much similar, Okay, Fair ENOUGH now, like i said
Speaker 1: this is a Tablet from the Temple Of the Foliated,
Speaker 1: cross In palaquet. Late classical period this tablet celebrates the
Speaker 1: emergence of Maize and The. Mountain of, Sustenance fair enough now.
Speaker 1: Let's continue, here it says have you seen the same
Speaker 1: imagery minus. The Reclining human. Here i'm sorry here you
Speaker 1: see the same imagery, minuster reclining human the world tree
Speaker 1: rising from, the offering bowl marked with the denote or
Speaker 1: the dotted x can sign and filled with the, trappings
Speaker 1: of royalty, the crossed, skyband the fish and the lancet
Speaker 1: for ritual blood letting on the top of the underworld's realm.
Speaker 1: Of the dead the quawk monster head at the top
Speaker 1: of the tree is the. Principal bird deity now let's talk.
Speaker 1: About this. One shining Glory this is this is another
Speaker 1: image the from. The sarcophagus lid here all along the
Speaker 1: tree you find the symbol of precious greenstone, celts or
Speaker 1: selts emphasizing wealth and power as well. As shining glory
Speaker 1: in the diagram of the, glyphs for jade the celter,
Speaker 1: marked in red so on the sarcophagus lid everything that
Speaker 1: you see in this picture that are red was actually.
Speaker 1: Made of jades this was actually green on. The original
Speaker 1: lid right the tree also is marked with the. Sign for.
Speaker 1: Wood fair enough curled around the upper section of the
Speaker 1: tree is the milky way conflated with the double headed
Speaker 1: serpent bar which was the symbol of power For. The
Speaker 1: mine kings each serpent has a, huge upper jaw so that's.
Speaker 1: What these are these are supposed to be those Serpents.
Speaker 1: For mine kings it's interesting to see the same elements
Speaker 1: repeated in other, tablets and murals Which showed the world
Speaker 1: tree in the center growing out of the earth. Monster
Speaker 1: or underworld in the Case of the Temple. Of the
Speaker 1: cross the drawing above the world tree is a maze
Speaker 1: plant which personified ears of corn growing. From the, branches
Speaker 1: once again it grows Out of the kuok monster or
Speaker 1: underworld figure, at the bottom and the principal bird rests. At,
Speaker 1: the top interestingly the two figures in the mural are
Speaker 1: the same person. At different ages. Now that's interesting this
Speaker 1: picture we're looking at this is that's why he's standing
Speaker 1: up on like a pedestal in this one here and
Speaker 1: over here he's standing. On flat ground so it is supposed
Speaker 1: to be, the same dude just at two different points. In, His,
Speaker 1: life wow.
Speaker 2: Oh that's, cool.
Speaker 1: Moving on note that the figure on the right stands
Speaker 1: on a personal, personified maze plant while the one on
Speaker 1: the left Stands on a kuak monster with a cleft
Speaker 1: head from which. The corn merges the king Dying In
Speaker 1: The young maze God being reborn pacall on his tomb
Speaker 1: lid is presented as both the man dying falling into
Speaker 1: the maw of the underworld between jaguar jawbones and the
Speaker 1: baby being born onto the. Tree of life certain my
Speaker 1: rulers were thought to take on the role of god
Speaker 1: kings who could intercede with the spirit. World after death,
Speaker 1: In this image pacaul is being reborn As. The maize
Speaker 1: god note the seed and leaf image just below the Reclining.
Speaker 1: Figure of pacall just as the maid seed must be
Speaker 1: buried in the, earth, To grow right pacall is falling
Speaker 1: into the underworld only. To rise again now that's. ANOTHER
Speaker 1: interesting point. I see this this is the baby, icnography
Speaker 1: or union And this is pacall. In this form so
Speaker 1: they are saying that his body positioning is indicative of
Speaker 1: him being reborn as a baby from, the underworld spiritually,
Speaker 1: that is yeah.
Speaker 4: It.
Speaker 1: Makes sense Now the baby pacall is shown lying on
Speaker 1: his back with the, right leg raised which is the
Speaker 1: sign for the. Union or baby the drawing. On the
Speaker 1: left while this sign usually, shows an infant it's also
Speaker 1: used to show the Birth Of the maize god on
Speaker 1: a late classic vase drawing. On the right so this
Speaker 1: IS the vase i? Think right here or is? It this, one, oh,
Speaker 1: no no. No this one this is supposed To Be
Speaker 1: the maze. God being born. So all right while the
Speaker 1: SIGN usually, like i, said lace classippers note the vegetation
Speaker 1: growing out of the cleft Head of. The kuwakh monster
Speaker 1: that's all these like foliage and. Things, over here now
Speaker 1: The jade skirt pecall's net jade skirt is interesting in
Speaker 1: that the diamond weave is usually. Associated, with women indeed
Speaker 1: a very similar skirt seems to Be worn by pecaul's
Speaker 1: mother in a tablet Found In. The royal palace this
Speaker 1: may suggest, an androgynist combination just as the adult in
Speaker 1: the baby post suggests a combination of. Youth in age
Speaker 1: so this is his mom with the diamond, pattern jade
Speaker 1: skirt and this is them sitting together. In the palace but,
Speaker 1: keep in mind if this was supposed to be him
Speaker 1: being Symbolic Of, the maize god which is what this is.
Speaker 1: Supposed To Be the maize god being a dude oftentimes
Speaker 1: would wear the jade skirt, of a woman but he
Speaker 1: was also seen as. A fertility, GOD so.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean uh and a lot of engine cultures
Speaker 2: talk about the balance between, masculine, and FEMININE right so
Speaker 2: i would.
Speaker 1: Make you have to add that balance in order, To
Speaker 1: make babies, so YOU know but i mean two.
Speaker 2: Genders, Out there well i'm talking about like just within
Speaker 2: the individual that you want to try and maintain the
Speaker 2: balance of your feminine aspects and. Your masculine aspects feminine
Speaker 2: not necessarily meaning that. Like you're gay i'm. Not saying
Speaker 2: that i'm saying like feminine aspects such, as like. Emotions
Speaker 2: Thrown estrogen. Oh, i'm talking well, we HAVE those we
Speaker 2: i mean, everybody has testostrogen. Testosterone and estrogen, but you
Speaker 2: know it's about maintaining the balance of like caring, and emotional,
Speaker 2: aspect you know for the for the feminine and then
Speaker 2: the masculine aspect would just be like taking care of. Fucking,
Speaker 2: bidding it.
Speaker 1: Okay fair. Enough fair, enough continuing on it talks about.
Speaker 1: The turtle emblem What you see pacall wearing right here,
Speaker 1: in that Iconography and if, i'm, not mistaken yeah he's
Speaker 1: also wearing it in the depiction of him On The
Speaker 1: rocket Slash. Tree of life he's wearing it right here, on,
Speaker 1: His chest right, so, that turtlee uh The turtle emblem
Speaker 1: pacall carries on his chest may be a reference to
Speaker 1: the rebirth of the maze god from the turtleshell as
Speaker 1: reference on this plate on, The side here so this
Speaker 1: is the turtle Shell where the maze gods being. Born
Speaker 1: out of but keep in mind they also thought that
Speaker 1: the world rested on the back of, the great turtle
Speaker 1: so that could also be a. Symbol.
Speaker 2: Of, That right yeah so let's see.
Speaker 1: Ancestors and nobles along the border on the outside of
Speaker 1: the image are references to celestial bodies and six portraits.
Speaker 1: Of leading nobles the coffin inside the sarcophagus is carved
Speaker 1: on all four sides With portraits of pacall's ancestors emerging
Speaker 1: as trees sprouting. From the earth painted stucco figures on
Speaker 1: the walls of the tomb echoed these references to relatives
Speaker 1: and important figures in the life of the leader who
Speaker 1: was laid to rest. In the tomb so now we're
Speaker 1: getting to. The writer's thoughts while some may find it
Speaker 1: harmless fun to see an alien astronaut instead of a
Speaker 1: famous leader immortalized, by his, tombstone for me it seems
Speaker 1: a little insulting to the people who created this amazing piece
Speaker 1: of complicated. And, beautiful ART so, like i said they're
Speaker 1: gonna have your haters that are basically seeing this and
Speaker 1: this whole image where, it breaks down how this is clearly,
Speaker 1: a rocket Ship right. The palanque astronaut he is saying
Speaker 1: that even looking at it in that perspective, is JUST insulting,
Speaker 1: which i, MEAN all right i guess that's one way.
Speaker 2: OF interpreting him i mean if you want to let your,
Speaker 2: IMAGINATION run rampant i would say that he probably this
Speaker 2: is this is somebody who, probably just thought, oh my,
Speaker 2: god you know the the ancient gods were giving us,
Speaker 2: all this technology and maybe. THAT'S the case. I don't,
Speaker 2: know i mean the ancient, gods slash aliens whatever you want.
Speaker 2: TO call them i found it interesting there at THE
Speaker 2: bottom that i wanted to, pull this up as at
Speaker 2: the bottom of that article it talked, about, blood letting.
Speaker 2: Sacrifice and rebirth so it doesn't doesn't even necessarily have
Speaker 2: to be through the use of entheogenics in order to
Speaker 2: be able to connect with. That other side so it
Speaker 2: says In, ancient meso America particularly, the maya civilization blood
Speaker 2: letting was a ritualized practice involving self inflicted cutting or
Speaker 2: piercing of the body. To release blood it serves diverse functions,
Speaker 2: within their societies so communicating with the, divine and, ancestors
Speaker 2: legitimizing power and. Ensuring Well being the maya believe the
Speaker 2: blood was a vital life force containing A part, of
Speaker 2: god's blood requiring it to be returned to the deities
Speaker 2: to maintain. The cosmic order in the. Act of burning
Speaker 2: the sacrifice blood symbolized the offerings transfer to the gods via.
Speaker 2: The rising, smoke, SO like yeah i just love learning
Speaker 2: about that, kind of shit just to see what they
Speaker 2: believed in back, in THE day and i just think. It's, so.
Speaker 1: Cool absolutely man so with all, this being said, good
Speaker 1: cult members you. Be the judge Go look up Pacall's
Speaker 1: tombstone or. Pacall's sarcophagus lid you tell us what you.
Speaker 1: Think about? It all right are we? Being crazy here
Speaker 1: is it clearly not a time machine or? A rocket
Speaker 1: ship is it clearly just a very specific and important,
Speaker 1: and you know ritualistic lid to show his. Death and
Speaker 1: rebirth i'm not saying it. Is or isn't to be completely.
Speaker 1: Honest with you jonathan has his. OPINIONS about it i
Speaker 1: have my, opinions about, IT and honestly i don't think
Speaker 1: either of us are sold one hundred percent on. Any
Speaker 1: of it so we want to hear what you have to.
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Speaker 1: of that jargon, AND mumbo jumbo i, should also mention
Speaker 1: while we were talking about, this Whole thing the mayans
Speaker 1: and how they were using jade as such. A, significant
Speaker 1: resource right we also cannot sidestep the fact that they,
Speaker 1: were using gold a. Lot of gold this was a
Speaker 1: big Thing in the mayan Culture and. The aztec cultures
Speaker 1: and if you want to look across, the entire world
Speaker 1: every culture and civilization has used gold and silver to.
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