WEBVTT 1 00:00:02.200 --> 00:00:04.839 You see something's going to happen. 2 00:00:06.320 --> 00:00:10.599 What what's going to happen? 3 00:00:12.359 --> 00:00:17.120 I think? What a. 4 00:00:22.519 --> 00:00:22.719 Help. 5 00:00:24.359 --> 00:00:29.359 Welcome to the Occult Rejects. This episode, we're back at 6 00:00:29.399 --> 00:00:33.679 you with part two of the West Indian Magic. We 7 00:00:33.759 --> 00:00:37.079 got the same crew that we had earlier in part one. 8 00:00:37.359 --> 00:00:41.399 We got Lisa the cult reject mad scientist. What's up Lisa? 9 00:00:41.439 --> 00:00:42.880 Thank you so much for joining us. 10 00:00:43.799 --> 00:00:44.799 I'm excited to be here. 11 00:00:44.920 --> 00:00:47.200 Oh yeah, yeah. It's definitely an interesting topic and again 12 00:00:47.320 --> 00:00:51.600 not one that I know much about. So uh, was 13 00:00:51.600 --> 00:00:54.439 there anything that you would like to replug? Got anything? 14 00:00:54.520 --> 00:00:54.960 So sure? 15 00:00:55.359 --> 00:00:58.000 Check us out at a cult Research Institute dot org. 16 00:00:58.200 --> 00:01:02.240 Got many many great country readers. They contribute literary work 17 00:01:02.560 --> 00:01:06.680 to that website. Checks out there a cool research institute 18 00:01:06.680 --> 00:01:07.120 dot org. 19 00:01:07.480 --> 00:01:10.599 Thank you very much. I appreciate that. And we got 20 00:01:10.959 --> 00:01:14.439 Jin the Ninja with us again. Jin, what is up 21 00:01:14.480 --> 00:01:16.760 my man? Please let everybody know what your deal is 22 00:01:16.799 --> 00:01:18.760 for people who may don't know who you are here. 23 00:01:19.879 --> 00:01:21.959 Sure, thank you so much, Nick, thank you, Lisa, and 24 00:01:22.000 --> 00:01:25.319 thank you. I'msaidarian. I highly recommend people to check out 25 00:01:25.319 --> 00:01:28.480 part one from the part from the from the bit 26 00:01:28.599 --> 00:01:30.879 I was able to hear of it, it was actually 27 00:01:30.879 --> 00:01:34.719 a really good episode. So thank you Nick for hosting 28 00:01:34.719 --> 00:01:39.200 my crazy ideas and you can check me out at 29 00:01:39.560 --> 00:01:43.959 Threshold Saints on x and also my personal account at 30 00:01:43.959 --> 00:01:47.040 wukongrie Born to be Uko and g Reborn and Instagram 31 00:01:47.079 --> 00:01:50.719 at Threshold Saints and the link Trio Vima show nott 32 00:01:50.719 --> 00:01:52.680 sas that I always is so so check me out 33 00:01:52.680 --> 00:01:54.439 there and thank you guys so much. 34 00:01:55.040 --> 00:01:57.680 Awesome, and yes, thank you very much Jin for joining us, 35 00:01:57.680 --> 00:02:01.760 and thank you very much for the topic. And finally 36 00:02:01.760 --> 00:02:05.120 to the guest Absidarian, welcome sir. Thank you very much 37 00:02:05.159 --> 00:02:07.879 again for joining us. I always appreciate your input and 38 00:02:07.920 --> 00:02:10.159 your stuff that you bring to the show. Please let 39 00:02:10.199 --> 00:02:11.800 everybody know what you deal is and where they can 40 00:02:11.840 --> 00:02:12.159 find you. 41 00:02:13.759 --> 00:02:16.240 Thank you, thank you, and thanks again everyone for having 42 00:02:16.280 --> 00:02:20.319 me back on. It's a pleasure. So you could find 43 00:02:20.360 --> 00:02:24.240 me on linked link tree at Absodarian. I do a 44 00:02:24.280 --> 00:02:28.680 lot of esoteric research. I'm most active on Facebook, Patreon, 45 00:02:28.840 --> 00:02:31.000 and gab, but I'm also on ig and a little 46 00:02:31.000 --> 00:02:35.039 bit of Twitter. Yeah, we got a lot to cover today. 47 00:02:35.120 --> 00:02:38.719 We just we'll talk more about Trinidad, some of the 48 00:02:38.759 --> 00:02:41.800 traditions going on in Trinidad and being that it's West 49 00:02:41.840 --> 00:02:44.800 Indian magic. So I wanted to talk about a little 50 00:02:44.800 --> 00:02:48.039 bit of some of the other islands, what they're involved with, 51 00:02:48.520 --> 00:02:51.800 some of the correspondents and you know, look at some 52 00:02:51.919 --> 00:02:55.520 things happening today with some of these esoteric traditions and 53 00:02:56.120 --> 00:02:59.599 look at some not too well known connections with West 54 00:02:59.599 --> 00:03:02.840 Indian in the Western magic tradition. 55 00:03:04.840 --> 00:03:07.520 Yeah, I don't know where you where you want to start, 56 00:03:07.680 --> 00:03:10.400 but I mean, I guess right now. 57 00:03:11.520 --> 00:03:15.879 Sure, so last time I really didn't get to talk 58 00:03:15.919 --> 00:03:20.599 about the Colleague tradition, but the Colleague tradition is really 59 00:03:21.159 --> 00:03:25.680 popular in the West Indies, especially Trinidad, Guyana and the 60 00:03:25.680 --> 00:03:30.919 guy and Is in general like Sirnam. But yeah, I 61 00:03:31.000 --> 00:03:35.319 have you know, in my in my family there's Poujai's 62 00:03:35.960 --> 00:03:42.560 and people relatives that are into following Collie Collige worship. 63 00:03:43.360 --> 00:03:46.719 And you know, my my dad has told me so 64 00:03:46.840 --> 00:03:52.439 many interesting stories about you know, Collige, which is such 65 00:03:52.479 --> 00:03:58.039 a uh you know, misunderstood daid goddess and there's not 66 00:03:58.120 --> 00:04:01.639 much known about her, just you know from writing. She's 67 00:04:01.680 --> 00:04:04.800 one of the Maha videos videos, which is the ten 68 00:04:05.759 --> 00:04:10.840 goddesses in the Tantric tradition. She's you know, she's usually 69 00:04:10.919 --> 00:04:14.360 the primary she starts at number one, and uh, you know, 70 00:04:14.759 --> 00:04:18.879 the other forms of the Maha videos are also aspects 71 00:04:18.959 --> 00:04:23.319 of Kali or Durga that some of the darker aspects. 72 00:04:23.879 --> 00:04:28.000 But yeah, so I'll share one story my dad told me. 73 00:04:28.639 --> 00:04:33.720 My dad's my dad's uncle was a pujari for you know, 74 00:04:33.759 --> 00:04:36.680 it was a colleague devotee sada as best as I 75 00:04:36.759 --> 00:04:40.160 understand sada. Again, for the listeners who miss part one, 76 00:04:40.600 --> 00:04:44.439 Sada worship, there's there's two types of worship in the 77 00:04:44.560 --> 00:04:47.199 in the tradition, it's you know, white magic or black magic. 78 00:04:47.600 --> 00:04:51.680 But the white magic tradition is sada, which means, uh, 79 00:04:52.199 --> 00:04:54.199 you know, no blood. So it's you know, you're not 80 00:04:54.519 --> 00:04:58.720 offering any any life or anything like that. That is 81 00:04:58.759 --> 00:05:02.800 not as popular as the the Black Contra section as far, 82 00:05:03.040 --> 00:05:08.160 which does. Yeah, so the Black Contra is much more 83 00:05:08.199 --> 00:05:10.480 popular because people, you know, people want to get rich, 84 00:05:10.560 --> 00:05:12.680 they want to be you know, they want to be powerful. 85 00:05:15.480 --> 00:05:18.720 Said that again, they want. 86 00:05:18.600 --> 00:05:20.720 To they want they want to cross the abyss and 87 00:05:20.759 --> 00:05:25.360 they want that edge. So yeah, the Black Contra is 88 00:05:25.560 --> 00:05:29.759 really really popular. And I just want to just jump 89 00:05:29.920 --> 00:05:32.279 to the States and in New York there's a big 90 00:05:32.759 --> 00:05:37.759 West Indian community and some of the businesses, you know, 91 00:05:37.800 --> 00:05:41.399 they're owned by Trinidadian or Guyanese people, and you know 92 00:05:41.439 --> 00:05:44.360 they're they're super successful. And you know, if you go 93 00:05:44.399 --> 00:05:47.879 in the store, it's like usually a rot shop. Rot 94 00:05:48.000 --> 00:05:51.360 shop is like, uh, you know, a restaurant that serves 95 00:05:51.480 --> 00:05:54.920 really good West Indian food. So you'll see a picture 96 00:05:54.959 --> 00:05:58.160 of the Davy, you know, the goddess. And this is 97 00:05:58.160 --> 00:06:02.319 a common theme. So a lot of the roaty shops 98 00:06:02.319 --> 00:06:06.360 and and the most successful business owners, by the way, 99 00:06:05.800 --> 00:06:10.480 they participate in callie worship and they do offerings. I've 100 00:06:10.519 --> 00:06:13.920 had a cousin who worked in a roaty shop and 101 00:06:13.959 --> 00:06:17.319 she said, you know, for some reason, every year, some 102 00:06:17.360 --> 00:06:22.319 worker gets hurt or injured, right, and she's like, you know, 103 00:06:22.399 --> 00:06:25.959 I know the owner he's into like black magic and stuff, 104 00:06:26.000 --> 00:06:29.279 so maybe there's something related there that you know, he's 105 00:06:29.360 --> 00:06:32.079 he's offering some some you know, someone gets cut or 106 00:06:32.160 --> 00:06:37.079 some some some blood or injury every year. And that's 107 00:06:37.160 --> 00:06:42.040 that's really popular. But back to Trinidad, that's that's also 108 00:06:42.920 --> 00:06:47.480 very popular. And back to the story with my dad's uncle. 109 00:06:47.639 --> 00:06:50.279 So my dad's uncle was a pujari with with he 110 00:06:50.319 --> 00:06:54.920 had his own collie temple and everything. And my dad's 111 00:06:54.920 --> 00:06:59.879 cousin was a female. She she committed suicide over a boy. Right, 112 00:07:00.879 --> 00:07:03.560 They just didn't work out. The parents weren't okay with 113 00:07:03.600 --> 00:07:06.759 the relationship. And in Trinida Ad, a common thing back 114 00:07:06.759 --> 00:07:09.160 in the day was if you're going to commit suicide, 115 00:07:09.199 --> 00:07:11.800 it was with gramozoon. So you're drinking. I forgot what 116 00:07:11.839 --> 00:07:15.439 it is, but basically gets poison. Right. So, my dad's 117 00:07:15.439 --> 00:07:19.759 cousin committed suicide, and you know, my uncle, my dad's 118 00:07:19.839 --> 00:07:22.959 uncle is distraught and he's he's he's at the he 119 00:07:23.360 --> 00:07:25.360 and my dad went to console him and he was 120 00:07:25.480 --> 00:07:28.160 just there, you know, in the temple by himself. He 121 00:07:28.199 --> 00:07:32.160 was very sad and distraught obviously, and he says, you know, 122 00:07:32.240 --> 00:07:34.079 he said it was he looked at the watch. He's like, 123 00:07:34.079 --> 00:07:35.839 all right. He said to my dad, Hey, just just 124 00:07:35.879 --> 00:07:37.639 wait right here. I'll I'll be right back. I just 125 00:07:37.680 --> 00:07:40.560 have to go make a offering and speak to Colligue. 126 00:07:41.680 --> 00:07:43.720 So my dad's just mining his business in the in 127 00:07:43.759 --> 00:07:45.759 the yard, and no one else is in the in 128 00:07:45.800 --> 00:07:49.279 the in the estate or the temple, and all of 129 00:07:49.319 --> 00:07:53.120 a sudden he sees his uncle just fly back like 130 00:07:53.240 --> 00:07:56.399 twenty thirty feet in the air like something knocked them, 131 00:07:56.839 --> 00:08:00.240 knocked them back like twenty thirty feet and my dad 132 00:08:00.319 --> 00:08:03.680 runs over. He's checking on my dad's uncle and he 133 00:08:03.839 --> 00:08:06.519 just looks like wow, he looks confused because he just 134 00:08:06.560 --> 00:08:09.639 got hit with something. And my dad noticed like a 135 00:08:09.720 --> 00:08:14.720 big red mark on his forehead and he goes, what happened, 136 00:08:14.800 --> 00:08:19.000 what's going on? He was like, if I tell you this, 137 00:08:19.439 --> 00:08:21.519 you can't tell anyone. You know, this is between me 138 00:08:21.560 --> 00:08:26.639 and you. So my dad's uncle goes, you know, he 139 00:08:26.720 --> 00:08:30.120 was praying to the davy CALLI please please bring my 140 00:08:30.199 --> 00:08:33.159 daughter back, Please bring my daughter back, and then he 141 00:08:33.320 --> 00:08:36.360 just heard a voice that said I give life, not 142 00:08:36.480 --> 00:08:39.159 so you can take life. And then he just got 143 00:08:39.320 --> 00:08:42.200 kicked in his head and he just flew back twenty 144 00:08:42.240 --> 00:08:45.279 thirty feet and he was just in a daze and dazzled. 145 00:08:45.759 --> 00:08:47.600 So this is just one of one of the Collie 146 00:08:47.679 --> 00:08:52.919 stories from Trinidad, and there's a few that's not something 147 00:08:52.919 --> 00:08:56.679 to be messed around with or taken lightly. So I 148 00:08:56.759 --> 00:09:00.279 thought that was a really interesting story that my dad 149 00:09:00.320 --> 00:09:06.559 told me. And another very popular temple in the South 150 00:09:06.639 --> 00:09:13.159 or Collie Temple, big following and whatnot, the hed Poojari. 151 00:09:13.360 --> 00:09:16.600 One day he just he just committed suicide. He would 152 00:09:16.600 --> 00:09:21.120 have withoud a shotgun. And he was very beloved in 153 00:09:21.440 --> 00:09:23.919 the village and everything, and he was doing sada as 154 00:09:23.919 --> 00:09:27.519 best as everyone knew. He wasn't he wasn't into like 155 00:09:27.639 --> 00:09:32.120 the black margic part. And it always, it always confused 156 00:09:32.159 --> 00:09:33.840 me a little bit. I was like, wait a minute, 157 00:09:34.159 --> 00:09:38.080 this gentleman was not doing any black magic or anything 158 00:09:38.240 --> 00:09:42.039 as best as I'm aware of, right, and what what 159 00:09:42.039 --> 00:09:45.840 what made him commit suicide? So this this so that, Yeah, 160 00:09:45.879 --> 00:09:50.080 that was just some some colligue stories from Trinidad, which 161 00:09:50.120 --> 00:09:54.679 is a very powerful goddess and uh, definitely not something 162 00:09:54.720 --> 00:09:58.840 to be you know, play around with lightly. And I 163 00:09:58.919 --> 00:10:05.440 just want to draw parallels in the Western tradition. I was, 164 00:10:06.000 --> 00:10:09.600 I was following the teachings of this really high rank 165 00:10:09.639 --> 00:10:13.039 in kabbalis. He was he was a Jewish mystic. And 166 00:10:13.080 --> 00:10:17.320 then he shared with me that one of one of 167 00:10:17.360 --> 00:10:20.279 the highest uh you know, the highest what is it? 168 00:10:20.399 --> 00:10:26.440 What would he say? Uh? One of the arcanum arcnorums 169 00:10:26.480 --> 00:10:31.279 in his tradition was about related to Kali and it 170 00:10:31.399 --> 00:10:35.879 was Collie's mantra is her true mantra, tantra and yantra. 171 00:10:36.279 --> 00:10:39.039 So for the for for the view for the listeners, 172 00:10:39.960 --> 00:10:45.600 Mantra is sound and uh tantra is the practice, and 173 00:10:45.679 --> 00:10:49.919 yantra is the geometry, the mandalas and everything. So it's 174 00:10:50.360 --> 00:10:53.519 it's the practice from the sound and and and the 175 00:10:53.519 --> 00:10:57.120 the image, the correct you know, all that correct stuff. 176 00:10:57.559 --> 00:10:59.960 And that really took me back. I was like, wait 177 00:11:00.120 --> 00:11:05.440 a minute, this guy's really high ranking Kabbalis and they 178 00:11:05.480 --> 00:11:08.840 practiced tantra. And then I went down a rabbit hole 179 00:11:10.440 --> 00:11:13.960 in India, the Jewish influence in India. I had no 180 00:11:14.080 --> 00:11:20.159 idea how many different times there were Jewish migrations to India, 181 00:11:20.279 --> 00:11:23.919 as early as the times of Solomon. Right, So there's 182 00:11:23.919 --> 00:11:28.679 at least six or seven groups just for the viewers, 183 00:11:28.720 --> 00:11:30.799 just for the listeners, Please excuse me, I don't have 184 00:11:30.840 --> 00:11:33.320 my full notes here, so I'm just winging most of 185 00:11:33.360 --> 00:11:36.960 this from memory. But there's six or seven groups in 186 00:11:36.960 --> 00:11:41.559 India that are there. And I always found that interest 187 00:11:41.600 --> 00:11:46.080 and because you know, throughout history the Jews have been 188 00:11:46.159 --> 00:11:48.559 kicked out of over one hundred and nine countries over 189 00:11:48.600 --> 00:11:52.200 a thousand times, and I always found it interested. They 190 00:11:52.200 --> 00:11:54.080 were never kicked out of India, right, so they had 191 00:11:54.320 --> 00:11:59.320 a firm foundation there. And then there's so many similarities 192 00:11:59.360 --> 00:12:02.279 between some of the groups, Like like the Sikhs, if 193 00:12:02.320 --> 00:12:04.320 you if you know who the Sikhs are with the Turbans, 194 00:12:05.279 --> 00:12:10.960 very very similar tribes because both of them are very 195 00:12:11.080 --> 00:12:13.879 you know, they're very loyal to their tribes. You know, 196 00:12:14.039 --> 00:12:18.879 Sikhs and Jews don't usually marry, marry outside or intermingle much. 197 00:12:19.639 --> 00:12:24.159 They're good with business, they grow their hair, and there's 198 00:12:24.240 --> 00:12:28.000 just so many similarities I picked up on right down 199 00:12:28.039 --> 00:12:31.200 to you know, with the Old Testament you have you know, 200 00:12:31.240 --> 00:12:34.240 Abraham and Sarah, and in the in the in the 201 00:12:34.559 --> 00:12:39.159 in the Eastern tradition, with Hinduism you have Brumha and 202 00:12:39.200 --> 00:12:42.919 set Us with the right. So that's like there's just 203 00:12:43.200 --> 00:12:46.639 so many parallels with some of the words. One of 204 00:12:46.919 --> 00:12:50.879 one of one word is pardisi, which is paradise. And 205 00:12:51.399 --> 00:12:55.039 I don't have the the Hebrew U name for it, 206 00:12:55.120 --> 00:12:58.639 but it's it's an acronym, you know, in in uh In, 207 00:12:58.639 --> 00:13:01.480 in Kabbala, each of a letter stands for another word. 208 00:13:02.240 --> 00:13:03.879 And you got to excuse me again, I don't have 209 00:13:03.919 --> 00:13:06.480 my full notes, but that's one of the most interesting 210 00:13:07.200 --> 00:13:11.159 uh rabbit holes I went down with some of the 211 00:13:10.679 --> 00:13:13.799 the letter mysticism and then and. 212 00:13:13.360 --> 00:13:15.399 Do you think that is I'm glad you're bringing that up, 213 00:13:15.440 --> 00:13:17.919 just real quick. And I hate that that doesn't that 214 00:13:18.039 --> 00:13:20.200 even like it really feels like that really even screws 215 00:13:20.279 --> 00:13:23.360 up your mat and and all that stuff. More is 216 00:13:23.360 --> 00:13:26.120 that like now if you want to say, hey, olive, 217 00:13:27.120 --> 00:13:28.960 but now you've got to add all those you're actually 218 00:13:29.039 --> 00:13:32.159 using other letters to explain one letter, mm hmm, and 219 00:13:32.159 --> 00:13:33.159 then you can start mind. 220 00:13:34.639 --> 00:13:37.240 That I don't have my notes right now, but I 221 00:13:37.480 --> 00:13:40.000 went down that rabbit hole and uh, there's a there's 222 00:13:40.000 --> 00:13:44.200 a very interesting and precise signs to it that that 223 00:13:44.279 --> 00:13:46.879 I picked up on. And side note, I'm not happy 224 00:13:46.919 --> 00:13:50.360 with how Gomatra is used nowadays. I think it's just 225 00:13:50.600 --> 00:13:57.639 what I call confirmation bias. You'll have conspiracy theorists especially, 226 00:13:58.159 --> 00:14:01.279 they'll they'll find, you know, they'll they'll find a code 227 00:14:01.399 --> 00:14:05.639 number forty seven and then they'll use the Enokian Gomatria 228 00:14:05.759 --> 00:14:08.720 or some gomatri that has nothing to do with the 229 00:14:08.759 --> 00:14:12.360 original word or the language. I always found interesting that 230 00:14:12.759 --> 00:14:15.840 it's just confirmation biased. They'll just plug it into whatever 231 00:14:16.440 --> 00:14:21.080 Gomatri system that you know, adheres to the numeric correspondence 232 00:14:21.120 --> 00:14:22.919 that they're trying to go after. 233 00:14:23.279 --> 00:14:25.120 There's a problem with some sites. It's like you could 234 00:14:25.120 --> 00:14:27.480 have like you probably literally have like twelve ciphers you're 235 00:14:27.519 --> 00:14:28.960 running it through, and it's like at that point, are 236 00:14:28.960 --> 00:14:31.639 you gonna find what you're looking for? Anyway? Yeah, exactly, 237 00:14:31.679 --> 00:14:35.200 I understand what you're getting it. I do think, you know, 238 00:14:35.279 --> 00:14:37.799 even myself when it comes to Jamatria, I've in some 239 00:14:37.840 --> 00:14:40.320 ways I've kind of calmed down using it in some 240 00:14:40.360 --> 00:14:43.440 ways and look at it differently. Like even myself, I 241 00:14:43.480 --> 00:14:47.200 really don't kind of really put too much push on 242 00:14:47.240 --> 00:14:50.200 it or I think it's that important unless it's, like 243 00:14:50.240 --> 00:14:52.679 you see it fitting in with like everything else to 244 00:14:52.679 --> 00:14:54.799 where it makes complete. So you know what I'm saying, 245 00:14:54.799 --> 00:14:58.000 Almost where I'm using it again like polymants would, it's 246 00:14:58.039 --> 00:15:01.039 one part of everything else, you know what I'm saying. 247 00:15:02.759 --> 00:15:06.240 Yeah, indeed. So we talked a little bit about the 248 00:15:06.240 --> 00:15:07.120 colleague traditionary. 249 00:15:07.200 --> 00:15:13.840 Sorry, okay, So I just want to shout out a 250 00:15:13.960 --> 00:15:16.200 show that Nick and I did a million years ago. 251 00:15:16.440 --> 00:15:20.120 We did the Tantra and Kabbala series. So we compared 252 00:15:20.200 --> 00:15:23.799 the ten mahavijas exactly like what you're talking about to 253 00:15:24.080 --> 00:15:27.759 the ten set on the tree and I gave like 254 00:15:27.840 --> 00:15:30.879 my reasoning of why they they would go there, and 255 00:15:30.919 --> 00:15:35.279 I used mostly the sepharatic, the eporatic, excuse me, astrology 256 00:15:36.639 --> 00:15:39.200 to argue why that I thought that would be the place, 257 00:15:40.840 --> 00:15:43.000 why that would be the case? Excuse me, and so 258 00:15:43.799 --> 00:15:45.600 I to But I totally agree with you. I think 259 00:15:45.639 --> 00:15:48.480 that colleagues are very dangerous. Got us. It's very powerful. 260 00:15:48.519 --> 00:15:51.279 It's a instruction of time. I said that she was 261 00:15:51.480 --> 00:15:54.679 like I likened her to maybe the seventh density, if 262 00:15:54.679 --> 00:15:56.960 you want to call it that a banah, and how 263 00:15:57.000 --> 00:15:59.559 she is like the you know, she stands upon the 264 00:15:59.559 --> 00:16:02.519 corpse of time. She is like the destruction of all things. 265 00:16:02.559 --> 00:16:05.960 But it's also the densifying of all things because gravity 266 00:16:06.080 --> 00:16:10.399 sort of brings you into formation. So everything. It's like 267 00:16:10.480 --> 00:16:12.879 the same as Krishna worship. Like Krishna and Kali you 268 00:16:12.960 --> 00:16:17.200 have that kind of like very close relationship, especially in Bengal. 269 00:16:17.240 --> 00:16:19.120 So I'm really glad that you brought up like the 270 00:16:19.240 --> 00:16:23.000 diaspora Jews in India because like the Koshin Jews were 271 00:16:23.039 --> 00:16:25.360 around the call it like the cal Katta Temple, they 272 00:16:25.360 --> 00:16:27.639 were around all this stuff. So in the tenth and 273 00:16:27.679 --> 00:16:30.399 eleventh century when the you know, the totala Tantra was 274 00:16:30.440 --> 00:16:32.919 being written when all this stuff was like happening. Yeah, 275 00:16:32.919 --> 00:16:37.759 there were there were groups you did know, traditional Jewish 276 00:16:37.799 --> 00:16:40.279 kabbala that were there. So it makes sense. And I've 277 00:16:40.320 --> 00:16:43.279 positive that even though the ordering in the totala Tantra 278 00:16:43.440 --> 00:16:46.919 is different than the than the tree, it's not that 279 00:16:46.960 --> 00:16:49.879 they are. It's not that the suffer are in different places. 280 00:16:50.120 --> 00:16:53.200 It's that the light travels through in a specific way. 281 00:16:53.639 --> 00:16:56.679 And so that's how they've mapped it out, just as 282 00:16:56.759 --> 00:16:59.120 like there's a lightning path and a serpent path and 283 00:16:59.559 --> 00:17:03.120 there's the different ways to cross the tree using those formulas. 284 00:17:03.360 --> 00:17:06.279 So I think that it perfectly comes together. It's like 285 00:17:06.599 --> 00:17:10.200 there's already Tndra is a synthesis. And something that Nick 286 00:17:10.319 --> 00:17:13.440 said was I was like, yeah, Nick, that's Tandra. That's 287 00:17:13.480 --> 00:17:15.559 like what it is. It's like putting it all kind 288 00:17:15.599 --> 00:17:18.680 of together and like seeing it as a greater whole. 289 00:17:19.400 --> 00:17:22.880 And so yeah, I agree with that. And Callie is 290 00:17:22.960 --> 00:17:26.039 very popular among all of them, and so it's really 291 00:17:26.119 --> 00:17:29.119 interesting because in Indonesia that there is no Collie. She 292 00:17:29.279 --> 00:17:32.960 is just Dirga, but she looks like Collie. So she 293 00:17:33.039 --> 00:17:35.319 will be black and she will be ferocious, and she 294 00:17:35.359 --> 00:17:37.960 will have the lolling tongue. 295 00:17:37.079 --> 00:17:41.599 Oh okay there, Yeah, I assume there was a difference 296 00:17:42.920 --> 00:17:44.680 or something was differently was going on, But I know 297 00:17:44.720 --> 00:17:46.759 what you're talking about, and they do very look look 298 00:17:46.839 --> 00:17:47.680 exactly the same. 299 00:17:49.279 --> 00:17:52.880 So there's the thing is like it it all depends 300 00:17:52.960 --> 00:17:56.480 on like the story the text. So if you're like 301 00:17:57.400 --> 00:18:01.640 the Indonesians never receive the Collie Tom, so everything that 302 00:18:01.680 --> 00:18:06.039 they had received was pre those tontures being written, so 303 00:18:06.319 --> 00:18:09.319 their practices are caught in a different time. You could say, 304 00:18:09.880 --> 00:18:13.759 just like Trinidad has like they preference colleague, but in Buddhism, 305 00:18:14.000 --> 00:18:17.359 we preference a different one, a different Maha vidja or 306 00:18:17.359 --> 00:18:20.480 a different wisdom goddess. So everybody has kind of like 307 00:18:20.559 --> 00:18:24.200 their framework that they use, and they're kind of like 308 00:18:24.519 --> 00:18:28.799 beginning ending terminus. That's sort of how I've been thinking about. 309 00:18:28.839 --> 00:18:31.960 I don't know, maybe that's a little too you know, 310 00:18:32.119 --> 00:18:36.200 speculative magical theory, but I think that there is something 311 00:18:36.640 --> 00:18:40.519 that different places when they receive the text, if they 312 00:18:40.559 --> 00:18:44.799 continue to practice it in the same way, it's interesting 313 00:18:44.880 --> 00:18:47.720 to look at how it changes exactly how we're talking 314 00:18:47.759 --> 00:18:50.599 about from island to island, from place to place, because 315 00:18:50.599 --> 00:18:53.519 you would think of India as being the like origination, 316 00:18:53.680 --> 00:18:56.480 which it is. But then in India they did not 317 00:18:56.640 --> 00:19:00.440 maintain the Samparadais, like the contric Sampuradis are very there's 318 00:19:00.640 --> 00:19:04.279 very few of them left in India. There are contract temples, 319 00:19:04.920 --> 00:19:08.640 but there's very few contract stampurdaise like schools that practice, 320 00:19:08.759 --> 00:19:11.319 like a mystery school that practice. So I just think 321 00:19:11.319 --> 00:19:15.839 it's interesting how they have preserved this stream of it, 322 00:19:15.960 --> 00:19:19.319 maybe better than in India. And then they've also preferenced 323 00:19:19.359 --> 00:19:25.880 like a particular goddess. I don't know, just some observations, great, 324 00:19:25.960 --> 00:19:26.759 great feedback. 325 00:19:26.920 --> 00:19:30.519 I just want to touch on you mentioned Buddhism. Yes, 326 00:19:30.640 --> 00:19:34.359 so Buddhism they follow Tara the Green Tower, and in 327 00:19:34.559 --> 00:19:38.759 India the ten Mahavidias. Tara is the second Mahavidia, which 328 00:19:38.799 --> 00:19:43.759 is another expansion of Kali. And yes, Durga is related 329 00:19:43.799 --> 00:19:48.640 to Kali. Colli's the black aspect of Durga. So the 330 00:19:48.680 --> 00:19:52.200 black mother the un that's a very ancient archetype a 331 00:19:52.279 --> 00:19:56.559 black mother, right, the black Madonna. And I just want 332 00:19:56.559 --> 00:19:59.759 to recommend a really good book if you're interested in this. 333 00:20:00.559 --> 00:20:05.720 It's David Kingsley Tantric Visions of the Divine Feminine, the 334 00:20:05.799 --> 00:20:09.720 ten Mahavidias. And you know, when I was younger learning 335 00:20:09.720 --> 00:20:12.680 about esoteric Hinduism, I was. I was really blown away 336 00:20:12.720 --> 00:20:15.480 by David Kingsley's work. I got to give him a 337 00:20:15.480 --> 00:20:19.640 lot of credit. He really does justice to you know 338 00:20:19.880 --> 00:20:22.920 that that tradition. And of course you guys probably know 339 00:20:23.279 --> 00:20:26.880 Mike McGee the magician. Uh, he has the Shiva Shakti 340 00:20:27.559 --> 00:20:31.079 website also, and he he bought a lot of the 341 00:20:31.079 --> 00:20:34.039 the tntra to the West with his translations, his original 342 00:20:34.079 --> 00:20:38.240 translations from a lot of the tontras. So Mike McGhee 343 00:20:39.200 --> 00:20:41.880 his his website I think is Shivashakti dot org or 344 00:20:42.079 --> 00:20:45.599 Siva Shukde something like that. But I'll bring it up later. 345 00:20:46.000 --> 00:20:51.440 And David Kingsley, great author, Jin mentioned the tree and 346 00:20:51.519 --> 00:20:54.200 I definitely want to circle back to what I was 347 00:20:54.240 --> 00:20:57.960 saying with paradise, and you guys will love this this 348 00:20:58.319 --> 00:21:02.759 esoteric breakdown. The word paradise is related to the Hebrew 349 00:21:02.839 --> 00:21:06.279 word pardise, which is also in Sanskrit and in these 350 00:21:06.279 --> 00:21:11.519 par desi, which means orchid or garden. It is also 351 00:21:12.240 --> 00:21:17.839 not to rikhan or an acronym for peshet ramez deche sod. 352 00:21:18.559 --> 00:21:22.839 These are Hebrew terms for peshet. These are the Hebrew 353 00:21:22.880 --> 00:21:25.400 terms for each of the letters. Now right, Peschet is 354 00:21:25.440 --> 00:21:30.160 the literal meaning passed on by religious tradition. Ramez is 355 00:21:30.200 --> 00:21:36.480 the second letter allegorical meaning, The third letter duche hamolytical meaning, 356 00:21:36.480 --> 00:21:39.480 which is the applic application of the general principles of 357 00:21:39.839 --> 00:21:44.720 rhetoric to the specific art of public speaking. And the 358 00:21:44.799 --> 00:21:48.279 fourth is Sod, which is the mystery or the secret meanings. 359 00:21:48.519 --> 00:21:51.759 So there's four layers, and you know, when you use 360 00:21:51.799 --> 00:21:55.519 the kabalistic key, you could you could break down language 361 00:21:55.559 --> 00:22:00.440 and a lot of different correspondence with this. Uh, when 362 00:22:00.440 --> 00:22:04.000 we talk about the four kabbaalistic worlds, they really they 363 00:22:04.039 --> 00:22:08.200 relate to these meanings. Although some fates do not utilize 364 00:22:08.200 --> 00:22:11.640 the sod or esoteric hidden meaning, most still use the 365 00:22:11.680 --> 00:22:15.400 first three. If one grasp the first three, it is 366 00:22:15.519 --> 00:22:19.400 much easier to stare them towards sod, the mystery. So 367 00:22:19.440 --> 00:22:23.799 I thought that was a great connection there. Okay, so 368 00:22:23.839 --> 00:22:26.319 we talked about Collie. 369 00:22:26.240 --> 00:22:30.319 Yeh think you just want to interrupt the real quick? Yeah, 370 00:22:30.720 --> 00:22:32.880 I know we covered it in I think our ciphers 371 00:22:32.880 --> 00:22:34.920 and scripts and jamatria, but notre Racana is like a 372 00:22:34.920 --> 00:22:37.319 former Jamatri, right, I think you said, like, yeah, a 373 00:22:37.400 --> 00:22:39.200 single letter like stands for something. 374 00:22:40.559 --> 00:22:42.519 Really interesting science. 375 00:22:43.720 --> 00:22:48.599 Okay before we do Oh sorry Lisa, no please do 376 00:22:49.319 --> 00:22:51.200 oh Okay, So I just want to say before we 377 00:22:51.240 --> 00:22:53.640 get off, Collie, I just want to say they be 378 00:22:53.759 --> 00:22:54.880 chwo things quick things. 379 00:22:55.200 --> 00:22:58.319 Is that? Yeah? Green Tara definitely I said that she 380 00:22:58.440 --> 00:23:01.240 was just sad. So you have like that sort of 381 00:23:01.279 --> 00:23:05.160 like infinite green blue green ray of mercy, like infinite 382 00:23:05.160 --> 00:23:08.880 in the world in potential. But you know there are 383 00:23:09.279 --> 00:23:12.240 all the Maha Vida goddesses in their own way actually 384 00:23:12.279 --> 00:23:15.440 appear in contrac Buddhism as well. So all of those 385 00:23:16.039 --> 00:23:19.880 they just appear as Daikini's because they came originally from 386 00:23:19.920 --> 00:23:24.519 that Choseth Yogini sixty four set, which was not really Hindu, 387 00:23:24.640 --> 00:23:28.440 it wasn't Paranic, and it wasn't Buddhist. It was just tontric. 388 00:23:28.599 --> 00:23:32.000 So you had all the different practitioners around. So Chinamasaka 389 00:23:32.039 --> 00:23:38.079 is actually a Buddhist goddess rather than a Indian contric goddess. 390 00:23:38.160 --> 00:23:40.279 So I just want to point that out. But absolutely 391 00:23:40.599 --> 00:23:43.240 I totally agree with that. If you are a Khalikolis, 392 00:23:43.279 --> 00:23:46.759 meaning that your preference is Khali as the prime mover, 393 00:23:47.079 --> 00:23:50.279 So the number one exactly like Abstarian said, then you 394 00:23:50.400 --> 00:23:53.599 are going to view the tree as an emanation out 395 00:23:53.599 --> 00:23:56.119 of her, which also makes sense in a Christian way 396 00:23:56.160 --> 00:23:57.960 if you want to think of it like you're coming 397 00:23:58.000 --> 00:24:01.519 through the three like through Bnah. So you're just saying 398 00:24:01.559 --> 00:24:04.279 that time is the first or the destruction of time 399 00:24:04.440 --> 00:24:08.319 is the prime mover in the world perfectly. I think 400 00:24:08.400 --> 00:24:11.880 anyone who has familiarity with the Coblosi tree could say 401 00:24:11.920 --> 00:24:15.880