WEBVTT 1 00:00:00.880 --> 00:00:04.200 Welcome everybody to another episode of the Hard Trews Podcast 2 00:00:04.240 --> 00:00:07.440 with Ashton Forbes. Today, I have a very special guest. 3 00:00:07.679 --> 00:00:10.199 His name is Tom Montalk. Tom Montalk is. 4 00:00:10.199 --> 00:00:13.759 An expert at scaler physics. He is an an electrical 5 00:00:13.800 --> 00:00:17.559 engineer and a physicist. He has written several books. We 6 00:00:17.640 --> 00:00:20.879 spoke a year ago, had a mind blowing conversation about 7 00:00:20.879 --> 00:00:24.039 scaler physics. Now I want to bring Tom Montalk back 8 00:00:24.079 --> 00:00:31.359 on to talk more about plasma, UFOs, aliens and scaler physics. Tom, 9 00:00:31.519 --> 00:00:32.560 Welcome back to the show. 10 00:00:32.600 --> 00:00:34.960 Brother, Hey Ashen, good to be back. 11 00:00:35.679 --> 00:00:37.799 Thanks. Well, let's just jump right into this, Okay. 12 00:00:37.799 --> 00:00:40.000 I know some people are familiar with your background, other 13 00:00:40.039 --> 00:00:42.280 people are not familiar with it. Just give us a 14 00:00:42.359 --> 00:00:46.240 quick recap of what you've been studying for the last 15 00:00:46.640 --> 00:00:50.880 fifteen or twenty years related to physics, engineering, UFO phenomenon. 16 00:00:51.079 --> 00:00:51.320 Okay. 17 00:00:51.359 --> 00:00:54.799 Yeah, So as a child, I had various paranormal experiences 18 00:00:54.840 --> 00:00:58.799 in Germany, stuff that nowadays you could call it potentially extraterrestrial. 19 00:00:58.920 --> 00:01:04.079 But I've also had various kinds of supernatural entergy encounters 20 00:01:04.079 --> 00:01:06.319 as well, besides that new non physical stuff. But anyway, 21 00:01:06.599 --> 00:01:09.680 some when else thirteen, I decided to really started digging 22 00:01:09.719 --> 00:01:11.439 into what could be going on with that, So I 23 00:01:11.480 --> 00:01:14.120 read all the UFO, all the metaphysics, all the physics 24 00:01:14.159 --> 00:01:17.439 books at my local library, and then a couple years 25 00:01:17.519 --> 00:01:22.000 later I started getting really into suppressed science, so I 26 00:01:22.079 --> 00:01:26.400 ordered all these information packets from rexresearch dot com and well, 27 00:01:26.480 --> 00:01:28.519 this is before the internet, so they advertised in the 28 00:01:28.519 --> 00:01:31.079 back of Popular Science magazine. So I got their photocopy 29 00:01:31.200 --> 00:01:34.920 information packets on Townsend Brown on various free energy inventions, 30 00:01:35.040 --> 00:01:37.560 Wellhelm Reich and the entire things. So I started doing 31 00:01:37.560 --> 00:01:40.000 lots and lots of experiments. Back then, I didn't have 32 00:01:40.400 --> 00:01:43.359 the expertise or the tools I needed to do it properly, 33 00:01:43.400 --> 00:01:45.959 but I did try. At least I got into weather 34 00:01:46.040 --> 00:01:50.640 engineering using Wilhelm Rece cloud busting techniques, and then eventually 35 00:01:50.640 --> 00:01:54.040 I went to college for physics and electrical engineering. So 36 00:01:54.280 --> 00:01:56.159 I only ended up doing four and a half years 37 00:01:56.159 --> 00:01:59.159 of that because I realized going into academia it was 38 00:01:59.200 --> 00:02:02.560 too and I didn't have the freedom that I would 39 00:02:02.560 --> 00:02:05.359 need to pursue these fringe things without always having to 40 00:02:05.359 --> 00:02:08.080 worry about covering my own ass from you know, ruining 41 00:02:08.080 --> 00:02:11.080 my credibility for looking into something that wasn't officially approved. 42 00:02:11.520 --> 00:02:12.800 So I decided, you know what, I'm just going to 43 00:02:12.879 --> 00:02:15.199 do like graphic design web design on the side and 44 00:02:15.319 --> 00:02:19.159 spend my free time studying these topics, everything from alternative 45 00:02:19.439 --> 00:02:24.240 science to eufology, to current events to I mean everything 46 00:02:24.280 --> 00:02:27.400 that could provide puzzle pieces as to what's really going 47 00:02:27.439 --> 00:02:29.800 on and what is really being kept away from us. 48 00:02:29.879 --> 00:02:32.560 And so over the years, I've communicated with thousands of people, 49 00:02:32.560 --> 00:02:37.960 including scientists, researchers, abductees, eufologist, any any sort of truth 50 00:02:38.000 --> 00:02:41.439 seeker who's into this, and I've amassed a huge database 51 00:02:41.639 --> 00:02:44.879 of personal anecdotal data plus you know, research things, many 52 00:02:44.919 --> 00:02:46.960 things that you yourself ash and have been into and 53 00:02:47.039 --> 00:02:49.439 have been discovering over the past year. I've been heavily 54 00:02:49.439 --> 00:02:51.599 into a lot of that stuff too, and so that 55 00:02:51.719 --> 00:02:55.039 sort of allows us to converge our paths right now 56 00:02:55.080 --> 00:02:56.240 in this podcast. 57 00:02:56.960 --> 00:03:01.439 Absolutely, So, what is going on to your research? After 58 00:03:02.080 --> 00:03:06.360 decades of looking into it, talking to people, getting experiences, 59 00:03:07.039 --> 00:03:09.520 looking into the science and the physics, what is your 60 00:03:09.520 --> 00:03:12.199 best guest for what's going on with UFO phenomenon? 61 00:03:12.599 --> 00:03:16.520 Yeah, so I think working backwards, it's you and yourself 62 00:03:16.560 --> 00:03:21.919 know your entire audience knows that the government, the shadow government, 63 00:03:21.960 --> 00:03:24.800 the shadow of military. They have technologies that are decades, 64 00:03:24.840 --> 00:03:29.879 if not centuries, ahead of what is admitted within mainstream physics. 65 00:03:30.039 --> 00:03:32.520 So when I went to college back in nineteen ninety 66 00:03:32.520 --> 00:03:37.280 eight through two thousand and two, our textbooks, that stuff 67 00:03:37.319 --> 00:03:40.599 is stone age compared to the true science that these 68 00:03:40.680 --> 00:03:44.879 black ops programs have. Now, the question is how much 69 00:03:45.039 --> 00:03:48.919 of that is explainable within eupology. In other words, how 70 00:03:48.960 --> 00:03:52.000 much of the supposed UFO phenomenon, alien phenomenon, abductions and 71 00:03:52.000 --> 00:03:55.560 so on, is actually the secret government being involved in 72 00:03:55.639 --> 00:03:59.319 these illicit, illegal programs. And I think I would say 73 00:03:59.319 --> 00:04:01.800 maybe thirty five twy percent of it is Nowadays that 74 00:04:01.840 --> 00:04:04.800 it's quite a bit because within the upology field there's 75 00:04:04.840 --> 00:04:07.759 not only the disposed thing as alien abductions, but there's 76 00:04:07.800 --> 00:04:12.240 also military abductions or my labs. And there's many, many people, 77 00:04:12.280 --> 00:04:15.080 you know, I mean, they're not all nutcakes or fruitcakes 78 00:04:15.120 --> 00:04:17.120 or anything. They're they're like, you know, people with credentials 79 00:04:17.439 --> 00:04:20.560 that claim to be military abductees. And also on the 80 00:04:20.560 --> 00:04:24.279 anecdotal data, like I know people personally whose parents were 81 00:04:24.680 --> 00:04:26.560 in the military and they went on to go into 82 00:04:26.639 --> 00:04:29.519 working for the NSSA or military like naval intelligence or something, 83 00:04:29.959 --> 00:04:31.959 and they would have periods of time during the military 84 00:04:31.959 --> 00:04:34.439 service where they would black out and they wouldn't know 85 00:04:34.680 --> 00:04:36.480 what they did for that period of time. It's almost 86 00:04:36.560 --> 00:04:40.079 like they're indoctrinated into a black program, and then when 87 00:04:40.079 --> 00:04:42.439 they discharged from it, they all are memories of it 88 00:04:42.480 --> 00:04:46.639 were erased, okay. And when you're involved in something like that, 89 00:04:46.920 --> 00:04:50.000 it's very easy for you to also be like have 90 00:04:50.160 --> 00:04:52.240 like an altar and stall like an ultra personality that 91 00:04:52.279 --> 00:04:55.040 can be switched on or off. And so you could 92 00:04:55.079 --> 00:04:58.240 be living a regular suburban life and sometimes at night 93 00:04:58.480 --> 00:05:02.000 you could be abducted using portal technology similar to the 94 00:05:02.040 --> 00:05:04.079 MH three seventy type technology where you can be taken 95 00:05:04.079 --> 00:05:05.720 out of your room, you know, I mean, not like 96 00:05:05.759 --> 00:05:07.920 an entire airplane, but just you your body, brought to 97 00:05:07.920 --> 00:05:10.000 an underground base, do what you do there in your 98 00:05:10.000 --> 00:05:12.800 alternate personality, and then be brought back by five in 99 00:05:12.839 --> 00:05:15.160 the morning to wake up an hour later. This is 100 00:05:15.199 --> 00:05:17.600 a sort of like a common pattern, okay. And so 101 00:05:18.759 --> 00:05:21.519 within that field of abductions, there is definitely a human 102 00:05:21.560 --> 00:05:24.959 component to it for sure, okay, But me and myself, 103 00:05:25.000 --> 00:05:26.920 you know, when I was a kid in Germany. Neither 104 00:05:27.000 --> 00:05:29.800 my parents were involved in anything military whatsoever. I mean, 105 00:05:29.800 --> 00:05:33.000 my entire family had no association with the US military. 106 00:05:33.399 --> 00:05:36.759 We did live in Germany, which did have US military bases, 107 00:05:36.759 --> 00:05:38.480 but I don't see how I would get on their radar, 108 00:05:39.160 --> 00:05:42.360 and the experiences that I remember, they do seem to 109 00:05:42.399 --> 00:05:46.160 involve non humans. Okay, I do remember the typical gray aliens. 110 00:05:46.199 --> 00:05:48.240 I remember something that was like a gray slash b 111 00:05:48.240 --> 00:05:51.560 reptilian hybrid, and I thought it was my imagination until 112 00:05:51.600 --> 00:05:53.519 I asked my mom and my grandma, like, was there 113 00:05:53.560 --> 00:05:56.839 anything weird that happened during those years? And they said, oh, yeah, 114 00:05:56.839 --> 00:05:58.680 of course. You know you're always talking about these gray 115 00:05:58.720 --> 00:06:01.959 men or these stone men coming after you. All right, 116 00:06:02.040 --> 00:06:04.920 So it wasn't like like me reading abduction literature and 117 00:06:04.920 --> 00:06:07.439 then like inventing memories because my mom and my grandma 118 00:06:07.519 --> 00:06:10.639 remembered me talking about that stuff. So anyway, that set 119 00:06:10.680 --> 00:06:12.600 me on a long research path to figure out, okay, 120 00:06:12.639 --> 00:06:16.279 well what's going on with that? So my personal personal hypothesis, Okay, 121 00:06:16.279 --> 00:06:20.639 my personal hypothesis is that if humans have the ability 122 00:06:20.720 --> 00:06:23.839 to develop very advanced technologies, and we've done it rapidly 123 00:06:23.839 --> 00:06:26.879 from like eighteen fifties where we had like horses and buggies, 124 00:06:27.279 --> 00:06:29.160 and then all of a sudden Tesla came around. And 125 00:06:29.199 --> 00:06:33.399 then the airship mystery sightings of eighteen nineties where clearly 126 00:06:33.720 --> 00:06:36.240 some group was experimenting with anti gravity vessels even in 127 00:06:36.240 --> 00:06:38.720 the eighteen nineties. Okay, and then you go a little 128 00:06:38.720 --> 00:06:41.720 bit beyond that, once you had quantum mechanics and relativity, 129 00:06:41.920 --> 00:06:44.759 and then the Nazis were They're probably the ones that 130 00:06:44.800 --> 00:06:48.399 were generating those food fighters that that you know, certain 131 00:06:48.399 --> 00:06:51.839 airplanes were seeing. And they also had advanced anti gravity 132 00:06:51.879 --> 00:06:54.839 technology and possibly free energy, maybe even time travel or 133 00:06:54.879 --> 00:06:58.360 time bending technology back then, you know, certain allegations of that, 134 00:06:58.959 --> 00:07:01.480 and so things accelerated very very quickly, and so you 135 00:07:01.480 --> 00:07:03.279 have to think about it. Okay, well, what if this 136 00:07:03.360 --> 00:07:05.639 track of acceleration keeps on happening for the next I 137 00:07:05.639 --> 00:07:08.600 don't know, five hundred years, how far could humanity go? 138 00:07:09.759 --> 00:07:12.000 You probably go to alpha centry even right now using 139 00:07:12.000 --> 00:07:12.680 that technology. 140 00:07:12.800 --> 00:07:13.720 Right. 141 00:07:13.839 --> 00:07:17.160 So the thing is, if there is life elsewhere in 142 00:07:17.199 --> 00:07:20.160 the universe at all at all, and they also have 143 00:07:20.279 --> 00:07:24.560 this acceleration curve, how impossible is it that at some 144 00:07:24.639 --> 00:07:26.759 point they could have done the same thing, and now 145 00:07:26.800 --> 00:07:29.319 we're the ones being visited even one hundred thousand years ago, 146 00:07:29.319 --> 00:07:31.800 a million years ago. So just humans can do it, 147 00:07:31.839 --> 00:07:33.759 I think other things can do it, and perhaps therefore 148 00:07:33.800 --> 00:07:35.279 they have and therefore they have been here for a 149 00:07:35.360 --> 00:07:37.480 very long time. So that's sort of my personal view 150 00:07:37.480 --> 00:07:40.639 on it. And the thing is, if you continue that 151 00:07:40.680 --> 00:07:43.519 thought experiment more and more and more, you start realizing, okay, 152 00:07:43.519 --> 00:07:46.720 well then you have different worlds, different civilizations that all 153 00:07:46.879 --> 00:07:49.720 accelerate at their own independent rates, but eventually they collide. 154 00:07:49.920 --> 00:07:53.000 Eventually they you know, it could be like the Spaniards 155 00:07:53.199 --> 00:07:55.759 meeting the natives, or it could be the Spaniards meeting 156 00:07:55.800 --> 00:07:58.079 the British, you know, like a parody kind of a thing. 157 00:07:58.560 --> 00:08:01.360 But either way, you get wars competition, and eventually you 158 00:08:01.399 --> 00:08:04.759 get a kind of homeostasis amongst all these different civilizations 159 00:08:04.800 --> 00:08:08.439 where everyone knows their place and there's rules and laws in. 160 00:08:08.439 --> 00:08:09.120 Place and so on. 161 00:08:09.800 --> 00:08:12.680 So what if that has already happened and Earth is 162 00:08:12.759 --> 00:08:16.399 kind of in this heavily traffic trafficked area but almost 163 00:08:18.279 --> 00:08:20.240 kept isolated in a way, you know, like like the 164 00:08:20.439 --> 00:08:23.920 like some sort of a nature preserve or zoo or something, 165 00:08:24.160 --> 00:08:26.920 you know, And so maybe maybe these things that are 166 00:08:26.920 --> 00:08:29.680 around they're not just secret military things, but they could 167 00:08:29.720 --> 00:08:32.799 actually be humanoids or other beings from other worlds that 168 00:08:32.840 --> 00:08:36.159 are here for their own agenda. And I think the 169 00:08:36.159 --> 00:08:38.320 ones that have the most power would be the ones 170 00:08:38.360 --> 00:08:41.360 that would be the most involved in our affairs because 171 00:08:41.360 --> 00:08:43.480 they would have the greatest ability to do so, and 172 00:08:43.519 --> 00:08:47.679 that could include everything from genetic manipulation to trying to 173 00:08:47.720 --> 00:08:50.799 take over the planet for themselves by our consent, you know, 174 00:08:50.919 --> 00:08:53.080 So they'd be seeding a lot of disinformation like, oh, 175 00:08:53.080 --> 00:08:54.559 the Grays are good and we need them, we need 176 00:08:54.600 --> 00:08:57.240 to hybridize with them. That's that sort of spiel. So 177 00:08:57.600 --> 00:08:59.799 when you start hearing these narratives about Grays wanting to 178 00:09:00.000 --> 00:09:02.399 ibridize with us and trying to infuse our genetics with 179 00:09:02.399 --> 00:09:05.480 theirs to create this superior hybrid that's half human and 180 00:09:05.519 --> 00:09:08.399 half grain, well, you know what, maybe that's not all 181 00:09:08.519 --> 00:09:13.080 government disinformation. Maybe that is an actual, genuinely extraterrestrial or 182 00:09:13.200 --> 00:09:15.320 some sort of non human intelligence that's trying to do that. 183 00:09:16.039 --> 00:09:18.399 And if that's the case, then we've got two problems 184 00:09:18.399 --> 00:09:19.799 to deal with. You don't mean we have one problem, 185 00:09:19.840 --> 00:09:23.360 which is the human corrupt military component, which is trying 186 00:09:23.360 --> 00:09:27.159 to hoard all this technology for themselves, and you have 187 00:09:27.519 --> 00:09:30.159 a higher version of that which is more and more cosmic. Right, 188 00:09:30.200 --> 00:09:32.799 So it's almost like like two bosses in this video game. 189 00:09:32.960 --> 00:09:33.600 We have to get through. 190 00:09:33.600 --> 00:09:35.159 We have to get through the human coruption element, and 191 00:09:35.200 --> 00:09:37.919 we have to get through this alien corruption element. So 192 00:09:37.919 --> 00:09:41.799 it's actually probably more complex and more difficult than some. 193 00:09:41.480 --> 00:09:43.159 Some conspiracy researchers believe. 194 00:09:43.440 --> 00:09:46.320 That's my Yeah, I think it's a good hypothesis. 195 00:09:46.399 --> 00:09:52.279 Why because you've grounded it in logic and reason, which is, Okay, 196 00:09:52.840 --> 00:09:55.679 we've got these technologies that are out there. Maybe they're 197 00:09:55.720 --> 00:09:59.720 free energy, maybe they're teleportation or portals, whatever you want 198 00:09:59.759 --> 00:10:03.279 to call. Those two things are really the only thing 199 00:10:03.320 --> 00:10:06.759 that's holding back faster than light travel at the moment. 200 00:10:07.039 --> 00:10:09.399 And if you open the door to faster than light travel, 201 00:10:10.039 --> 00:10:12.639 now all of a sudden, it's not so implausible that 202 00:10:12.759 --> 00:10:14.000 aliens would be here. 203 00:10:14.279 --> 00:10:14.519 You know. 204 00:10:14.600 --> 00:10:17.720 It's like, now if distance is no longer an issue, 205 00:10:18.320 --> 00:10:20.639 maybe the aliens can come visit us, Which is why 206 00:10:20.679 --> 00:10:23.360 I personally think that the technology will open the door 207 00:10:23.960 --> 00:10:27.279 to those bigger questions on what is the nature of 208 00:10:27.320 --> 00:10:29.360 the alien stuff? And people that have been saying, like 209 00:10:29.440 --> 00:10:33.000 people gonna say, oh, he's talking about hybridization. The more 210 00:10:33.039 --> 00:10:34.879 I look at this stuff, the less in the WU. 211 00:10:34.960 --> 00:10:36.679 I think that's like the thing that's like the least 212 00:10:36.679 --> 00:10:38.840 in the wo in my opinion is that we've been 213 00:10:38.879 --> 00:10:41.679 able to clone people for like twenty years. I don't 214 00:10:41.679 --> 00:10:43.159 know if a lot of people know this, but under 215 00:10:43.279 --> 00:10:47.600 George Bush, we banned human cloning. There was just a 216 00:10:47.639 --> 00:10:50.799 story a few weeks ago a guy cloning some kind 217 00:10:50.840 --> 00:10:54.399 of weird, big horned sheep and then hybridizing it as well, 218 00:10:54.720 --> 00:10:57.679 like some random farmer. So, like we're in the point 219 00:10:57.759 --> 00:11:02.840 twenty twenty four where genetic manipulation crisper technology is already 220 00:11:02.840 --> 00:11:05.759 reached complete mainstream. 221 00:11:06.600 --> 00:11:07.759 I guess what I would ask you on. 222 00:11:07.679 --> 00:11:10.159 A follow up is, so, what I'm hearing is that 223 00:11:10.399 --> 00:11:15.200 it's a combination potentially of technology that humans have figured out, 224 00:11:15.440 --> 00:11:17.360 maybe we've got it from aliens or what have. It 225 00:11:17.399 --> 00:11:19.440 goes back really far, is what I'm hearing, maybe one 226 00:11:19.480 --> 00:11:23.039 hundred and fifty years, and then possibly a combination of 227 00:11:23.200 --> 00:11:27.480 actual visitation or just non human intelligence. You kind of 228 00:11:27.480 --> 00:11:29.679 you weren't super specific about it, but you know, opens 229 00:11:30.039 --> 00:11:31.440 a lot of different options out. 230 00:11:31.279 --> 00:11:34.159 There, right right, And I would say that I think 231 00:11:34.279 --> 00:11:36.559 if we okay, so if aliens didn't exist, if we 232 00:11:36.559 --> 00:11:39.159 were just left our own devices, I do think that 233 00:11:39.399 --> 00:11:41.559 the trajectory that we took from the eighteen mid eighteen 234 00:11:41.639 --> 00:11:44.679 hundreds forwards, it is possible that we could have done 235 00:11:44.720 --> 00:11:47.600 it all on our own. Because once you get to 236 00:11:48.039 --> 00:11:51.360 James Maxwell and his electrodynamic theory and you start expanding 237 00:11:51.360 --> 00:11:53.480 that just a little bit, that opens the door to 238 00:11:53.879 --> 00:11:56.919 anti gravity, free energy portals, time travel, so that the 239 00:11:56.960 --> 00:12:00.440 potential was already there. However, the worst certain things like 240 00:12:00.480 --> 00:12:04.799 semiconductor technologies, which they were really really struggling with it 241 00:12:04.919 --> 00:12:09.559 until Roswell Roswell Crash happened. I think within within one year. Oh, 242 00:12:09.600 --> 00:12:11.919 they came out with the transistor. Finally a working transistor. 243 00:12:12.240 --> 00:12:14.200 You know, maybe they just need that little nudge. And 244 00:12:14.240 --> 00:12:16.720 you know, some people theorize that Roswell that was an 245 00:12:16.720 --> 00:12:20.360 actual alien craft, but that it was purposely crashed as 246 00:12:20.399 --> 00:12:23.840 a trojan horse in order to seed advanced technology within 247 00:12:24.639 --> 00:12:28.960 human civilization. And while the question is why, well, now 248 00:12:28.960 --> 00:12:30.919 we have computers, now, we got cameras everywhere, we got 249 00:12:30.919 --> 00:12:33.639 satellites watching us, we have we're on the eve of 250 00:12:33.679 --> 00:12:37.480 a global totalitarian police state thanks to that sort of technology. 251 00:12:37.519 --> 00:12:40.080 Maybe that's what the goal was all along. I'm not sure, 252 00:12:40.120 --> 00:12:43.639 but some people have theorized that, and I guess it's possible. 253 00:12:43.679 --> 00:12:49.000 I mean, from what I know about eufology, abduction experiences, anecdotes, 254 00:12:49.039 --> 00:12:51.440 all the data, everything about it, these aliens are extremely clever. 255 00:12:51.799 --> 00:12:54.039 I mean they're very clever. Not only that, but they're 256 00:12:54.080 --> 00:12:57.000 also you know, like with remote remote viewing, you can 257 00:12:57.039 --> 00:13:00.600 remote view not only other places but also other times, 258 00:13:00.720 --> 00:13:05.080 the past, the future, probable futures, right, and so these beings, 259 00:13:05.120 --> 00:13:07.360 it seems to me that they have an very advanced 260 00:13:07.360 --> 00:13:10.440 ability of precognition of being able to map out different 261 00:13:10.440 --> 00:13:14.080 probable futures and to adjust their actions and their adjustments 262 00:13:14.080 --> 00:13:15.600 to our timeline right now. Just like the movie The 263 00:13:15.639 --> 00:13:18.360 Adjustment Bureau, They're able to adjust things right now in 264 00:13:18.440 --> 00:13:21.360 order to affect the future in a way that they want. Now, 265 00:13:21.480 --> 00:13:23.080 you would think, okay, well they have that much power, 266 00:13:23.080 --> 00:13:25.120 why haven't they fully taken over our planet? And I 267 00:13:25.120 --> 00:13:28.000 think it's probably because there are other factions that might 268 00:13:28.080 --> 00:13:30.200 cancel that out, that want a different goal, and so 269 00:13:30.240 --> 00:13:33.080 there is this cold war kind of counterbalance happening. Even 270 00:13:33.120 --> 00:13:35.759 at the non human level, that is keeping things relatively 271 00:13:35.759 --> 00:13:40.840 steady up until a certain point. So yeah, it's pretty complex. 272 00:13:41.799 --> 00:13:44.600 I will say I think overall human history has been 273 00:13:44.679 --> 00:13:48.320 nudged and managed by, potentially by non human powers. And 274 00:13:48.639 --> 00:13:51.279 I just say that based on works like William Bramley's 275 00:13:51.320 --> 00:13:53.120 The Gods of Eden, which is an interesting book because 276 00:13:53.200 --> 00:13:55.200 he was a historian who didn't believe in any of 277 00:13:55.279 --> 00:13:58.080 this alien stuff. He just wanted to He just wanted 278 00:13:58.080 --> 00:14:00.080 to write a general history book. So he started digging 279 00:14:00.080 --> 00:14:03.519 into actual library archives in Europe and everywhere, like looking 280 00:14:03.559 --> 00:14:06.039 at these ancient records, and he started spotting all these 281 00:14:06.039 --> 00:14:10.279 anomalies that indicated either the presence of time travelers or 282 00:14:10.679 --> 00:14:13.480 something that seemed non human interfering with human history at 283 00:14:13.519 --> 00:14:15.559 key points. So it's an interesting book, you know, because 284 00:14:15.559 --> 00:14:17.720 he ended up writing a totally different book than what 285 00:14:17.720 --> 00:14:19.679 do you set out to. But that's usually how it goes. 286 00:14:19.720 --> 00:14:21.639 You know, a lot of these people that are into euthology, 287 00:14:21.480 --> 00:14:25.000 they didn't start out being abductees or even believing in it. 288 00:14:25.080 --> 00:14:27.440 But once you start looking at enough data you start 289 00:14:27.440 --> 00:14:29.039 out to conclude that there's something going on. Now, it 290 00:14:29.039 --> 00:14:31.919 doesn't mean it has to be extra terrestrials. It could 291 00:14:31.919 --> 00:14:34.120 be time travelers. It could be some sort of weird 292 00:14:34.440 --> 00:14:37.080 quantum phenomenon where you've got like parallel timelines and there's 293 00:14:37.120 --> 00:14:38.240 bleed throughs going on. 294 00:14:38.320 --> 00:14:39.759 There could be that. 295 00:14:39.840 --> 00:14:42.600 You know, it could be some sort of interdimensional thing, 296 00:14:43.360 --> 00:14:45.559 and these things are not mutually exclusive. It could actually 297 00:14:45.600 --> 00:14:47.960 be a big spectrum of all these things that are 298 00:14:47.960 --> 00:14:48.320 going on. 299 00:14:48.440 --> 00:14:51.360 So yeah, I mean, the problem, I guess is that 300 00:14:51.559 --> 00:14:53.639 you know, there's so many things going on without a 301 00:14:53.679 --> 00:14:56.000 lot of evidence for some of these more I'm going 302 00:14:56.039 --> 00:14:59.080 to call it esoteric concepts where they're grounded in pure physics, 303 00:14:59.120 --> 00:15:02.399 like time travel for example. It's like, without more understanding 304 00:15:02.440 --> 00:15:05.240 of like data, what's happening, how can we say whether 305 00:15:05.320 --> 00:15:07.320 or not there's a multiverse or if we're in some 306 00:15:07.399 --> 00:15:10.519 kind of deterministic timeline. You just you can't tell unless 307 00:15:10.559 --> 00:15:12.879 you have more data. But I love that you brought 308 00:15:12.919 --> 00:15:15.200 up the example of there's this guy that you know 309 00:15:15.320 --> 00:15:16.399 started looking through the history. 310 00:15:16.519 --> 00:15:17.519 Wasn't a UFO person? 311 00:15:17.879 --> 00:15:19.440 I like that because that's the same thing that happened 312 00:15:19.440 --> 00:15:23.000 to me, is that I'm somebody that recently got into 313 00:15:23.039 --> 00:15:25.320 this topic. I said, what's going on with this? I 314 00:15:25.320 --> 00:15:28.480 saw these crazy videos. Let me learn everything about the 315 00:15:28.519 --> 00:15:31.240 lore and the history of everything I learned. I always 316 00:15:31.240 --> 00:15:33.519 tell people there's three things. Do you know electrical engineering? 317 00:15:33.600 --> 00:15:35.480 You need to understand physics, and then you need to 318 00:15:35.559 --> 00:15:38.960 understand history. If you understand those three things, you will 319 00:15:39.039 --> 00:15:42.679 understand the whole nature of how anti gravity technology and 320 00:15:42.759 --> 00:15:45.919 free energy technologies have been kept hidden from us, and 321 00:15:46.200 --> 00:15:48.720 the history is all out there, like even and we'll 322 00:15:48.720 --> 00:15:50.480 talk more about some of these scientific papers because I 323 00:15:50.480 --> 00:15:51.840 want to get your opinion on some of this stuff. 324 00:15:51.960 --> 00:15:55.720 Is the scientific papers has been out there forever too. 325 00:15:55.840 --> 00:15:58.639 I think that when you mentioned Maxwell as well, you'll 326 00:15:58.679 --> 00:16:03.240 find that almost every he discusses Maxwell and they say, 327 00:16:03.480 --> 00:16:06.240 look at Maxwell's equations. This is when we like really 328 00:16:06.279 --> 00:16:09.320 took the next step up. And then I love the 329 00:16:09.360 --> 00:16:12.519 idea too that I've always loved this idea of Roswell 330 00:16:12.600 --> 00:16:16.440 leading to some kind of technological boom, especially with transistors. 331 00:16:16.480 --> 00:16:18.720 I actually looked into transistors and like the history of 332 00:16:18.759 --> 00:16:20.960 this like five or six years ago when I was 333 00:16:20.960 --> 00:16:24.240 first digging into it, going like, man, did we really 334 00:16:24.240 --> 00:16:27.120 like find some alien technology and then just like give 335 00:16:27.159 --> 00:16:30.159 it to some university professors and then say that they 336 00:16:30.240 --> 00:16:33.919 invented it, you know, like it's plausible, it's not out 337 00:16:33.919 --> 00:16:37.120 of the realm of plausibility. Let me ask you a 338 00:16:37.200 --> 00:16:41.080 question on the UFO thing about Roswell specifically. Tucker Carlson 339 00:16:41.159 --> 00:16:43.879 was talking to Clayton Morrison redacted last week actually just 340 00:16:43.879 --> 00:16:46.480 a few days ago, and he brought up this narrative 341 00:16:46.519 --> 00:16:48.120 that I've heard a lot. I like to shoot down 342 00:16:48.200 --> 00:16:51.120 narratives and explain narratives for people that aren't as deep 343 00:16:51.120 --> 00:16:54.159 into this as you and I are. And Tucker Carlson said, well, 344 00:16:54.480 --> 00:16:58.320 if these aliens flew from another galaxy or another star 345 00:16:58.360 --> 00:17:01.919 system or whatever, and they have this advanced technology, how 346 00:17:01.960 --> 00:17:05.599 can they crash? Shouldn't they just be invincible? I hear 347 00:17:05.640 --> 00:17:08.480 this all the time from people, So go ahead, give 348 00:17:08.519 --> 00:17:12.079 me your debunk of the how do UFOs crash? That's 349 00:17:12.119 --> 00:17:15.160 me to do in the air quotes? Yeah, argument, Yeah. 350 00:17:15.279 --> 00:17:17.480 So there's really only two explanations that I can think of. 351 00:17:17.759 --> 00:17:21.680 One is that it was intentionally crashed to serve as 352 00:17:21.680 --> 00:17:23.559 a trojan horse, to give us a gift of technology 353 00:17:23.559 --> 00:17:25.559 that would end up being like a poison pill that 354 00:17:25.720 --> 00:17:28.720 creates this this this hell world that we're moving into 355 00:17:28.880 --> 00:17:31.559 or we're on the version moving into we still could. 356 00:17:32.240 --> 00:17:34.960 That's one, and the other is that they were shot 357 00:17:35.000 --> 00:17:39.119 down by technology that humans had that was more advanced 358 00:17:39.200 --> 00:17:41.960 than we assume, right, because what we typically hear is, oh, 359 00:17:42.039 --> 00:17:44.079 during wildswell, they're testing what was it like, like like 360 00:17:44.480 --> 00:17:48.400 microwave radars or something, and that destabilized or energy field 361 00:17:48.400 --> 00:17:51.200 and therefore the ship crash. Maybe maybe they weren't expecting 362 00:17:51.200 --> 00:17:54.039 that and therefore they didn't have a counter measure to it, 363 00:17:55.480 --> 00:17:58.799 or or it wasn't even a microwave laser it maybe 364 00:17:58.839 --> 00:18:02.559 it was something that they I mean, they probably already 365 00:18:02.640 --> 00:18:05.960 knew about the non human tech presence on Earth for 366 00:18:06.000 --> 00:18:07.960 a while, maybe maybe even a couple decades, because if 367 00:18:07.960 --> 00:18:10.640 you think about it, there was that disuppose it crashed 368 00:18:10.680 --> 00:18:13.279 and crashed in Italy in the nineteen was the twenties 369 00:18:13.319 --> 00:18:16.079 and thirties, there's some rumors about that, and the Nazis 370 00:18:16.079 --> 00:18:18.359 have their own thing already by that point. So by 371 00:18:18.400 --> 00:18:20.759 the time Roswell happened, there already was a black program. 372 00:18:20.799 --> 00:18:23.799 I mean, the Manhattan Project was already happening years before that, right, 373 00:18:23.880 --> 00:18:27.880 So advanced technology was already being worked on, and of 374 00:18:27.880 --> 00:18:30.440 course it was weaponized, so they probably used it on that. 375 00:18:30.480 --> 00:18:33.559 So that's another potential explanation. And the thing is, no 376 00:18:33.759 --> 00:18:36.640 to come here from another world, even if they do, 377 00:18:36.799 --> 00:18:39.079 maybe their time travelers, maybe they're from an another dimension. 378 00:18:39.599 --> 00:18:42.920 To do that does not require invincibility. It just requires 379 00:18:43.039 --> 00:18:45.559 knowledge of key science and key physics. 380 00:18:46.240 --> 00:18:46.480 You know. 381 00:18:46.519 --> 00:18:49.039 It's like it's like, if you don't have the combination 382 00:18:49.119 --> 00:18:53.200 lock to a massive vault, how much effort do you 383 00:18:53.200 --> 00:18:54.480 need to get through those vault doors? 384 00:18:54.519 --> 00:18:54.839 A ton? 385 00:18:54.960 --> 00:18:55.160 Right? 386 00:18:55.480 --> 00:18:57.200 I mean, I don't know, you get like laser cutter 387 00:18:57.279 --> 00:18:59.319 or something to try to get to there. But if 388 00:18:59.319 --> 00:19:01.319 you know what the combination, you just do it and 389 00:19:01.359 --> 00:19:03.319 you're through the door. So the same thing with these 390 00:19:03.359 --> 00:19:06.000 sciences that we're talking about. If you go down that path, 391 00:19:06.319 --> 00:19:09.599 you've got the easy path towards magical abilities. It's not 392 00:19:09.839 --> 00:19:13.400 so the problem is nowadays, if you don't know any better, 393 00:19:13.440 --> 00:19:15.039 you would think that, okay, well, the only way to 394 00:19:15.039 --> 00:19:18.119 time travel, the only way to do these fantastic things 395 00:19:18.200 --> 00:19:21.640 is either through well basically through general relativity. Right, so 396 00:19:21.680 --> 00:19:24.119 you have to do these these giant, massive spinning cylinders 397 00:19:24.119 --> 00:19:27.160 a warp space and time, and for us to build 398 00:19:27.160 --> 00:19:28.960 that is impossible right now, Just know way we could 399 00:19:28.960 --> 00:19:31.519 build something that's massive that spins that fast and warp 400 00:19:31.559 --> 00:19:33.680 space and time. But that's because you're trying to use 401 00:19:34.039 --> 00:19:38.440 the handicapped version of science to do it. If you know, 402 00:19:38.519 --> 00:19:41.759 for example, the relation between an electric field and a 403 00:19:41.799 --> 00:19:44.240 gravitational field, hey, well there you go. You just have 404 00:19:44.279 --> 00:19:46.079 to pump up the electric field and you alter space 405 00:19:46.119 --> 00:19:48.640 and time and voila. Right, you got it. So that's 406 00:19:48.680 --> 00:19:50.519 what the Nazis were doing. I think that's what black 407 00:19:50.519 --> 00:19:52.359 ops are doing, and that's probably what some of these 408 00:19:52.759 --> 00:19:54.480 alien things are doing. That they've got a different kind 409 00:19:54.480 --> 00:19:56.319 of science than what the public has, and therefore it's 410 00:19:56.359 --> 00:19:58.200 way easier for them to do that than for us 411 00:19:58.279 --> 00:20:01.880 to imagine using our intentionally handicapped public science. 412 00:20:02.839 --> 00:20:05.359 Yeah, and I would say that it's you're right. I 413 00:20:05.359 --> 00:20:07.559 would also say that it's even easier than that is 414 00:20:07.599 --> 00:20:10.599 that you know, just because you've developed this technology doesn't 415 00:20:10.599 --> 00:20:11.400 mean you're invincible. 416 00:20:11.400 --> 00:20:13.000 That was your I think your strongest argument there. 417 00:20:13.039 --> 00:20:15.400 It's like, Okay, well I've got this awesome iPhone that's 418 00:20:15.440 --> 00:20:18.000 more powerful than any computer from the nineteen eighties, but 419 00:20:18.039 --> 00:20:19.480 if I put this in a cup of water, it's 420 00:20:19.480 --> 00:20:21.839 going to be destroyed in a few minutes, you know, 421 00:20:21.960 --> 00:20:27.160 So everything has vulnerabilities, and personally, in my opinion, I 422 00:20:27.160 --> 00:20:29.759 hadn't actually heard that. It was like there's possibly a 423 00:20:29.839 --> 00:20:32.559 decoy crashes or what have you. That's certainly possible too. 424 00:20:32.640 --> 00:20:35.519 But you know, if it's got everything's got a weakness, 425 00:20:35.599 --> 00:20:37.559 just like Superman's weakness is kryptonite. 426 00:20:37.640 --> 00:20:39.000 So if these things. 427 00:20:38.720 --> 00:20:42.359 Are surfing on gravitational waves, then theoretically, if I shoot 428 00:20:42.359 --> 00:20:45.240 a scaler potential or a gravitational wave at it, or 429 00:20:45.359 --> 00:20:48.920 create a gravitational disturbance around it, it's like pushing somebody 430 00:20:48.960 --> 00:20:51.079 off the surfboard while they're riding on the wave. You 431 00:20:51.079 --> 00:20:53.480 know they're going to fall off. In my opinion, Yeah, 432 00:20:53.559 --> 00:20:55.920 that's great. That's great metaphor because it's not magic that 433 00:20:55.960 --> 00:20:58.400 they're using. They're using technology. 434 00:20:58.519 --> 00:21:00.599 Yeah, it's not. They don't have the infinite the Stone. 435 00:21:00.680 --> 00:21:01.759 They're not just invincible. 436 00:21:01.759 --> 00:21:05.960 They just realize that there's some extended electrodynamics that we 437 00:21:06.160 --> 00:21:08.519 don't currently accept. 438 00:21:08.960 --> 00:21:10.799 Now, this I think goes to my next point. 439 00:21:10.599 --> 00:21:14.720 Really well, which is I always assumed, and I've researched 440 00:21:14.759 --> 00:21:16.880 a lot in the last year since we spoke, that 441 00:21:16.960 --> 00:21:20.640 if there is some suppressed science that's out there that 442 00:21:20.920 --> 00:21:24.079 related to UFO technology. It's gonna be out there to 443 00:21:24.119 --> 00:21:26.200 be found. It's not gonna be like hidden in a 444 00:21:26.279 --> 00:21:27.640 vault in the Vatican or whatever. 445 00:21:27.720 --> 00:21:27.759 Like. 446 00:21:27.799 --> 00:21:30.880 People will have been writing about it, writing theories about it, 447 00:21:32.160 --> 00:21:35.000 and I think I found it. So I guess my 448 00:21:35.039 --> 00:21:37.160 first question I'm gonna ask you I just realized, is 449 00:21:39.119 --> 00:21:41.000 you believe UFOs are real. I think we can just 450 00:21:41.200 --> 00:21:45.400 assume that UFOs are real. This is a UFO. What 451 00:21:45.759 --> 00:21:50.200 is the energy source for this UFO? Like recently we've 452 00:21:50.240 --> 00:21:52.160 been talking about there's these UFOs. 453 00:21:51.759 --> 00:21:52.440 In New Jersey. 454 00:21:52.519 --> 00:21:54.400 Some of them are clearly just planes, but let's just 455 00:21:54.440 --> 00:21:57.000 assume that some of these are UFOs and they're floating 456 00:21:57.039 --> 00:22:01.160 around in the sky for over a day's straight and 457 00:22:01.200 --> 00:22:05.799 they're just hovering there. In your opinion, Tom, what could 458 00:22:05.839 --> 00:22:08.519 be the energy source that allows this to be possible? 459 00:22:09.039 --> 00:22:09.200 Right? 460 00:22:09.279 --> 00:22:11.759 So if you if you asked me, h, let's say 461 00:22:11.759 --> 00:22:16.000 we have a shadow military anti gravity craft that's there 462 00:22:16.039 --> 00:22:19.319 and it's staying in the sky for days, and if 463 00:22:19.319 --> 00:22:21.720 you ask me what is it's power source? That would 464 00:22:21.759 --> 00:22:23.839 be easier to talk about because then we are strictly 465 00:22:23.880 --> 00:22:26.599 operating within the realm of hard science. Even if it 466 00:22:26.640 --> 00:22:28.960 is fringe science. Okay, we're still operating within the realm 467 00:22:28.960 --> 00:22:31.279 of science. Not to get too far off topic, but 468 00:22:31.319 --> 00:22:34.720 once we start talking about potential aliens or non human 469 00:22:34.720 --> 00:22:38.759 intelligences any ties. When we started talking about that so earlier, 470 00:22:38.759 --> 00:22:41.880 remember you mentioned what was like science, electrical engineering, and history. 471 00:22:41.920 --> 00:22:43.440 If you know those three things, you can figure out 472 00:22:43.440 --> 00:22:46.039 a lot of this. Those those are the three Those 473 00:22:46.039 --> 00:22:47.799 are like three legs of a table. That's a minimum 474 00:22:47.839 --> 00:22:50.640 minimum you need to have a stable table, right, But 475 00:22:50.680 --> 00:22:52.559 you can have four legs in a five six legs, 476 00:22:52.599 --> 00:22:54.720 So what are those other legs? Well, in my opinion, 477 00:22:54.759 --> 00:22:58.359 some of those other legs might include occultism, mysticism, right, 478 00:22:58.440 --> 00:23:04.319 stuff involving sigh power, subtle energies, etheric energy. So when 479 00:23:04.359 --> 00:23:06.720 we talk about the ether, we're not just talking about 480 00:23:06.839 --> 00:23:09.359 zero point energy vacuum fields. We're talking about something that's 481 00:23:09.400 --> 00:23:11.960 even more fundamental than that, that ties into it, and 482 00:23:12.000 --> 00:23:14.319 that gets more into the realm of consciousness. So when 483 00:23:14.319 --> 00:23:17.319 people asktra project or they got near death experiences, or 484 00:23:17.359 --> 00:23:21.559 they experienced telepathy or synchronicity or all these things, it's 485 00:23:21.599 --> 00:23:25.960 still not magic. However, it's not exactly hard science anymore either, 486 00:23:26.039 --> 00:23:28.200 because for example, take a synchronicity. Okay, when you get 487 00:23:28.200 --> 00:23:31.440 a synchronicity, if you get enough of them, you start realizing, 488 00:23:31.440 --> 00:23:35.119 We'll wait a minute. Reality cannot be this cold, deterministic 489 00:23:35.279 --> 00:23:37.839 machine that the university physicists tell us that it is. 490 00:23:38.119 --> 00:23:40.640 There's something more going on. It almost acts more like 491 00:23:40.680 --> 00:23:44.599 a collective dream, with waking dream symbols that communicate something 492 00:23:45.480 --> 00:23:49.440 meaningful to you, symbolic. And when it comes to symbolism 493 00:23:49.480 --> 00:23:51.720 and symbolic and meaning like meaning like the meaning of 494 00:23:51.759 --> 00:23:54.960 something that's no longer mathematical, you can't really map that 495 00:23:55.000 --> 00:23:59.680 out using variables because it's not mechanical. It is numinous, 496 00:23:59.720 --> 00:24:03.839 it is it is involving meanings, it's semantic. Okay, So 497 00:24:04.359 --> 00:24:09.200 it's a different field of dynamics than physics. So in 498 00:24:09.240 --> 00:24:11.440 my personal opinion, not to jump too far ahead, but 499 00:24:11.440 --> 00:24:13.759 I think that reality actually does consist of two parts. 500 00:24:14.079 --> 00:24:17.480 One part is the programmed physics like side of it, 501 00:24:17.519 --> 00:24:21.200 the deterministic, mathematical geometrical stuff. Everything that you and I 502 00:24:21.680 --> 00:24:23.920 have been talking about so far, that's what that is, 503 00:24:24.079 --> 00:24:25.519 and you can study it, you can engineer it, you 504 00:24:25.519 --> 00:24:28.480 can apply it. However, there is another component which deals 505 00:24:28.519 --> 00:24:30.440 more with like you could call it like the right brain. 506 00:24:30.400 --> 00:24:32.039 Of the matrix, or whatever you want to call it. 507 00:24:32.039 --> 00:24:36.559 It's where it's more symbolic, more meaningful, non mathematical, non 508 00:24:36.599 --> 00:24:40.559 necessarily geometric, Okay, And that's also a component of reality. 509 00:24:40.880 --> 00:24:43.000 And the reason why I bring this up is because 510 00:24:43.039 --> 00:24:48.039 it seems to me that after a civilization master's physical technology, 511 00:24:48.359 --> 00:24:50.880 the only thing left to master really is consciousness itself 512 00:24:50.920 --> 00:24:53.880 and these subtle energy fields that are almost like the 513 00:24:54.200 --> 00:24:58.559 underlying HTML code or machine code of reality. So if 514 00:24:58.599 --> 00:25:01.920 you run a physics emulation program on your computer, hey, 515 00:25:02.200 --> 00:25:04.079 all the physics are there, right, it's hard physics. 516 00:25:04.079 --> 00:25:04.799 You can simulate this. 517 00:25:04.839 --> 00:25:07.799 You can simulate agnetic fields, electric fields, and all the 518 00:25:07.799 --> 00:25:10.160 math works out. But guess what the entire thing is 519 00:25:10.240 --> 00:25:12.480 running on machine code, which isn't even physics, it's just 520 00:25:12.599 --> 00:25:15.880 a software. It's programming. So I do think that perhaps 521 00:25:15.960 --> 00:25:18.680 reality has a similar dynamic going on, where you have 522 00:25:18.720 --> 00:25:21.200 the actual physics, but it's all programmed. And if you 523 00:25:21.200 --> 00:25:23.279 know the programming, sure you can you can work within 524 00:25:23.279 --> 00:25:26.119 that physics. You can engineer things, you know, make you 525 00:25:26.119 --> 00:25:28.400 can program something to fly around. And so I think 526 00:25:28.440 --> 00:25:31.920 that some of these non human intelligences, some of them 527 00:25:32.160 --> 00:25:34.880 are only operating within the physics realm, and that includes 528 00:25:34.960 --> 00:25:37.599 a lot of these shadow military projects. They're they're using 529 00:25:37.640 --> 00:25:41.480 fringe science to do it, okay, and that's that's totally fine. However, 530 00:25:42.119 --> 00:25:44.640 that other component of reality some of these nhis so 531 00:25:44.680 --> 00:25:48.039 they probably have mastery over consciousness and the underlying matrix 532 00:25:48.079 --> 00:25:51.920 code to such an extent that they can probably reprogram 533 00:25:51.960 --> 00:25:55.200 physics itself directly from from the root source code in 534 00:25:55.319 --> 00:25:58.640 order to hover or levitate or you know, teleport or 535 00:25:58.640 --> 00:26:00.799 something like that. And if you don't have that conscious ability, 536 00:26:01.240 --> 00:26:03.839 well guess what, you're stuck using regular physics. And that's 537 00:26:03.839 --> 00:26:05.799 what the shadow military groups have and that's probably what 538 00:26:05.880 --> 00:26:10.519 some of these less less advanced alien groups also have. 539 00:26:10.640 --> 00:26:12.839 So right, So, once again, going back to your question, 540 00:26:13.119 --> 00:26:15.039 we asked me what makes it hover? I think in 541 00:26:15.079 --> 00:26:18.799 some in some cases it is probably I don't want 542 00:26:18.799 --> 00:26:19.960 to call it magic, but it is. 543 00:26:20.279 --> 00:26:21.799 It's a little bit beyond physics. 544 00:26:22.240 --> 00:26:25.759 You call it quantum consciousness, reprogramming of etheric energy fields 545 00:26:25.799 --> 00:26:27.839 or something like that. That's the one thing, and then 546 00:26:27.839 --> 00:26:30.000 the other thing that's that's more like the hard science, 547 00:26:30.039 --> 00:26:33.000 and that's what we can talk about more because that's mappable. 548 00:26:33.039 --> 00:26:35.400 That's what you can write scientific papers about, you know. 549 00:26:35.759 --> 00:26:37.920 And so as far as energy sources go, and obviously 550 00:26:38.000 --> 00:26:39.759 it has to be the zero point energy field, it 551 00:26:39.799 --> 00:26:41.559 has to be that clearly, right. 552 00:26:42.559 --> 00:26:44.680 I waited that whole time just to hear the final 553 00:26:44.720 --> 00:26:47.079 thing that I want to hear, the zero point energy field. 554 00:26:47.319 --> 00:26:49.000 The only thing I would disagree with you on is 555 00:26:49.039 --> 00:26:52.119 that I think it all is real hard physics. I 556 00:26:52.200 --> 00:26:54.519 think we're just not ready to the point to accept 557 00:26:54.559 --> 00:26:57.559 some of it. I think that the logical conclusion if 558 00:26:57.559 --> 00:27:00.000 there is a zero point energy field filled with energy 559 00:27:00.200 --> 00:27:03.279 that's out there in ether etheric energy you mentioned, I 560 00:27:03.279 --> 00:27:06.480 actually love that term etheric energy. To me, that's what 561 00:27:06.559 --> 00:27:09.079 consciousness is coming from. I mean, it's just like there's 562 00:27:09.079 --> 00:27:11.240 not there's not that much stuff out there. So to me, 563 00:27:11.279 --> 00:27:14.200 it's like if there's this energy field that we don't see, 564 00:27:14.200 --> 00:27:17.559 but it's always there, omnipresent everywhere around us, everywhere in 565 00:27:17.599 --> 00:27:20.279 the entire universe. I mean, there's got to be a 566 00:27:20.279 --> 00:27:24.720 connection there. It seems like it's avoidable. And then this 567 00:27:24.759 --> 00:27:26.319 is what I would say to you. You mentioned a lot 568 00:27:26.359 --> 00:27:29.319 about simulation theory, et cetera. So do you believe in 569 00:27:29.359 --> 00:27:32.680 the holographic principle, and do you want to explain that 570 00:27:32.839 --> 00:27:34.240 concept to people just briefly. 571 00:27:35.119 --> 00:27:39.039 Yeah, So there's different there's different versions of the holographic principle. 572 00:27:39.079 --> 00:27:42.400 Like on the one hand, you have Leonard Suskind, and 573 00:27:42.480 --> 00:27:44.279 he wrote a book about the well, he wrote some 574 00:27:44.319 --> 00:27:47.480 papers about the holographic theory of reality, but he's talking 575 00:27:47.519 --> 00:27:50.680 more about basically a fourth dimensional black hole that we 576 00:27:50.759 --> 00:27:53.200 exist on the surface of. And so just as you 577 00:27:53.200 --> 00:27:56.000 can have a two dimensional sheet of photographic film that 578 00:27:56.039 --> 00:27:58.200 has a holographic image and printed onto it and looks 579 00:27:58.240 --> 00:28:00.839 three dimensional even though it's a two dimensional sheet, well, 580 00:28:01.079 --> 00:28:03.559 our three D space time with the dimension of time 581 00:28:03.559 --> 00:28:05.759 added to it, which is fourth dimensions, could actually be 582 00:28:05.759 --> 00:28:07.680 embedded in a higher space. But it's actually like the 583 00:28:07.720 --> 00:28:10.519 flat plane within that higher space, and we're just holograms 584 00:28:11.000 --> 00:28:11.440 within that. 585 00:28:11.480 --> 00:28:13.160 And I think there is truth to that. 586 00:28:15.000 --> 00:28:19.599 But that's still one hundred that's still mostly a physical model. 587 00:28:19.640 --> 00:28:21.440 So there might still I think, in my opinion, there's 588 00:28:21.480 --> 00:28:24.880 just still could be a consciousness component to some extent. However, 589 00:28:24.960 --> 00:28:27.400 I do think that the more science advances and the 590 00:28:27.400 --> 00:28:30.559 more metaphysics advances, the more they converge upon a single 591 00:28:30.680 --> 00:28:34.880 true unified science. So so it's it's a matter of 592 00:28:34.920 --> 00:28:37.400 semantics and philosophy. You know, if you're saying that it's 593 00:28:37.400 --> 00:28:39.480 all science, and I'm saying, oh no, it's partly metaphysics 594 00:28:39.640 --> 00:28:41.680 is actually more of a semantic issue than an actual 595 00:28:42.119 --> 00:28:42.920 factual issue. 596 00:28:42.960 --> 00:28:44.519 You know, what do we call this? How do we 597 00:28:44.519 --> 00:28:44.680 call it? 598 00:28:44.799 --> 00:28:47.599 Yeah? Yeah, I mean that's my view is like, okay, well, 599 00:28:47.640 --> 00:28:49.519 if there is this ether, and just like you said, 600 00:28:49.559 --> 00:28:52.480 I fully believe the holographic principle. You did a great 601 00:28:52.519 --> 00:28:54.279 job of explaining it in my opinion, which is just 602 00:28:54.279 --> 00:28:57.720 this idea that on this extra dimension we're all maybe 603 00:28:57.720 --> 00:29:00.799 even one point the idea of like the one Lin theory, 604 00:29:01.559 --> 00:29:04.160 and therefore everything is right next to each other, which 605 00:29:04.200 --> 00:29:06.920 means the distance as we perceive, it's just a projection, 606 00:29:07.200 --> 00:29:10.519 an illusion that we perceive, and that opens the door 607 00:29:10.599 --> 00:29:14.319 to a lot of stuff that's considered esoteric, like remote viewing. 608 00:29:14.720 --> 00:29:17.480 I think, the idea of consciousness and what even is life? 609 00:29:17.480 --> 00:29:19.319 Maybe we're all the same person, a lot of that. 610 00:29:19.400 --> 00:29:23.640 So I just find those theories to be quite elegant, 611 00:29:23.839 --> 00:29:26.960 and I find that physics theories that are elegant usually 612 00:29:27.039 --> 00:29:29.599 have the most merit generally, a lot of this stuff 613 00:29:29.640 --> 00:29:31.440 really is more simple than what people expect. 614 00:29:31.480 --> 00:29:33.680 Yeah, yeah, And you know what people have to keep 615 00:29:33.720 --> 00:29:36.000 in mind is with a holographic principle. That's pretty much 616 00:29:36.039 --> 00:29:39.240 what quantum physics is when they talk about wave functions. 617 00:29:39.640 --> 00:29:42.920 Wave functions are patterns of amplitude and phase in space, 618 00:29:43.440 --> 00:29:46.160 and if the conscious observer interacts with it, oh, a 619 00:29:46.200 --> 00:29:49.799 single particle appears, or a system, an atom, whatever it appears. Well, 620 00:29:49.839 --> 00:29:52.559 that's how hologram works. It's a collection of amplitude and 621 00:29:52.599 --> 00:29:55.240 phase that's distributed over space, and when you shine a 622 00:29:55.319 --> 00:29:57.599 laser into it, it kind of decodes it, It gets 623 00:29:57.599 --> 00:29:59.880 modulated by it, and it generates a seemingly three to 624 00:30:00.039 --> 00:30:01.880 mentional object that isn't actually truly there. 625 00:30:02.000 --> 00:30:02.920 It's all informational. 626 00:30:03.240 --> 00:30:05.720 So quantum physics and holographic theory, I think there is 627 00:30:06.079 --> 00:30:06.960 basically the same thing. 628 00:30:07.880 --> 00:30:08.279 Everything. 629 00:30:08.359 --> 00:30:12.039 Being informational really opens the door to a lot of stuff, 630 00:30:12.119 --> 00:30:15.960 especially just the idea of teleportation, because it's like, now, 631 00:30:16.079 --> 00:30:19.319 what even am I? If I'm just a group of information, 632 00:30:19.519 --> 00:30:23.079 then that information can go through a wormhole. Like Leonard 633 00:30:23.079 --> 00:30:27.400 Suskin would argue, there's another theory that I don't know 634 00:30:27.400 --> 00:30:30.880 if you watch my Salvator Pais interview. He's I think 635 00:30:31.000 --> 00:30:33.799 been alluding to this concept that I just was listening 636 00:30:33.839 --> 00:30:37.160 to the seam here me and talk to Danica Patrick 637 00:30:37.160 --> 00:30:41.880 about this idea that inside each proton is a tiny 638 00:30:42.000 --> 00:30:42.680 black hole. 639 00:30:43.119 --> 00:30:44.559 Have you heard that at all? What are your thoughts 640 00:30:44.599 --> 00:30:44.880 on that? 641 00:30:45.200 --> 00:30:46.880 Yeah, I think it makes sense. I was thinking about 642 00:30:46.920 --> 00:30:49.759 this earlier tonight because I was thinking about I was 643 00:30:49.759 --> 00:30:51.759 thinking about gravity as an ether. 644 00:30:51.720 --> 00:30:52.759 Flow, you know. 645 00:30:53.319 --> 00:30:55.279 And see the problem is a lot of people think 646 00:30:55.279 --> 00:30:57.400 about gravity as rights. Imagine you got the Earth, okay, 647 00:30:57.440 --> 00:31:01.000 Earth as a as a spheroid, okay, and imagine gravity 648 00:31:01.000 --> 00:31:04.720 being an ether flow coming in from other radio spatial 649 00:31:04.720 --> 00:31:06.960 directions and pushing pushing objects into it. 650 00:31:07.000 --> 00:31:07.279 Okay. 651 00:31:07.799 --> 00:31:09.559 And that might be true, But it doesn't have to 652 00:31:09.559 --> 00:31:11.359 be that, not if we consider it from a fifth 653 00:31:11.359 --> 00:31:16.839 dimensional perspective, where perhaps instead of ether flowing in to it, 654 00:31:16.839 --> 00:31:21.119 it's more like at each height above the ground, you know. Yeah, 655 00:31:21.240 --> 00:31:24.400 there's a different ether flow into time into a fifth dimension, 656 00:31:25.160 --> 00:31:28.119 So it might actually be flow perpendicular to what we 657 00:31:28.200 --> 00:31:31.119 perceive a space. And there's different flow rates depending on 658 00:31:31.160 --> 00:31:33.920 the gravitational potential. So the closer art to the ground, 659 00:31:34.000 --> 00:31:36.240 the faster it flows or the slower it flow is 660 00:31:36.279 --> 00:31:40.039 depending on how you view it. So, yeah, so I 661 00:31:40.079 --> 00:31:44.559 do think that that ether flow it relates to time 662 00:31:44.599 --> 00:31:47.400 in some way and also to gravity for sure. 663 00:31:48.079 --> 00:31:51.640 Yeah, I mean, isn't it just simpler than that. It's 664 00:31:51.680 --> 00:31:54.279 just a matter of energy density, right, And the more 665 00:31:54.400 --> 00:31:56.920 energy density in a region you're going to have, you're 666 00:31:56.920 --> 00:31:59.599 gonna create a flow. So if you have less energy 667 00:31:59.599 --> 00:32:02.039 density region in this space right here than you have 668 00:32:02.079 --> 00:32:03.839 in this space, I expect there to be a flow 669 00:32:03.920 --> 00:32:06.640 where things are moving towards that, just like it's just 670 00:32:06.720 --> 00:32:09.160 thermo dynamics, just hot moves to cold, right. 671 00:32:09.000 --> 00:32:12.839 So yeah, yeah, right right, and that might actually be so. 672 00:32:12.839 --> 00:32:15.160 So basically, you can have let's say two points, this 673 00:32:15.160 --> 00:32:17.839 this one here in the frame. So this one here 674 00:32:17.880 --> 00:32:21.119 it might actually be flowing quickly through time, and this 675 00:32:21.200 --> 00:32:23.759 one here it might be flowing slowly through time into 676 00:32:23.799 --> 00:32:26.680 the fifth dimension into the fourth dimension. But if there's 677 00:32:26.680 --> 00:32:29.319 a difference between them, then there could be a transfer 678 00:32:29.359 --> 00:32:31.880 through space as well, not just time. And so then 679 00:32:31.920 --> 00:32:34.079 to our eyes we see an actual flow, you know, 680 00:32:34.119 --> 00:32:36.400 from along the x axes or waxes or z axis 681 00:32:36.440 --> 00:32:38.559 or whatever. Even though the flow is going from a 682 00:32:38.559 --> 00:32:40.880 point to another point, where each of these points are 683 00:32:40.920 --> 00:32:43.200 flowing into the fourth and fifth dimension at their own 684 00:32:43.240 --> 00:32:45.440 different rates, you know, So we we're talking about a 685 00:32:46.400 --> 00:32:50.720 fourth or fifth dimensional space of ether and flows that 686 00:32:50.839 --> 00:32:52.319 had that happened within that. So it's almost like some 687 00:32:52.359 --> 00:32:55.880 sort of a hyperdimensional fluid dynamics situation, I think, And 688 00:32:56.039 --> 00:32:58.519 I think some of that is needed to explain physics 689 00:32:58.559 --> 00:33:01.160 phenomena that a simple oh you know, everything flowing into 690 00:33:01.200 --> 00:33:04.039 a ball might not necessarily always account for. 691 00:33:04.400 --> 00:33:07.200 So you think the black hole idea at the center 692 00:33:07.240 --> 00:33:09.799 of the protons somehow feeds into that theory. 693 00:33:10.039 --> 00:33:10.799 Is that what you believe? 694 00:33:11.039 --> 00:33:13.839 Yeah, I think so, because the center of any mass 695 00:33:14.079 --> 00:33:16.400 is where all the gravity is pointing towards right. So 696 00:33:16.599 --> 00:33:19.079 if gravity is a kind of flow, you would think that, well, 697 00:33:19.079 --> 00:33:20.759 it has to go somewhere. So what if there is 698 00:33:20.759 --> 00:33:23.240 an actual spatial flow. So if if all this ether 699 00:33:23.400 --> 00:33:26.160 is flowing down and down into the center of every 700 00:33:26.160 --> 00:33:28.359 single mass, then where does it go once it reaches 701 00:33:28.400 --> 00:33:31.480 at It has to go through a higher dimension and 702 00:33:31.519 --> 00:33:34.440 then back out into regions of no matter, you know, 703 00:33:34.559 --> 00:33:39.039 into other other positions in the universe. And actually, Paula 704 00:33:39.160 --> 00:33:42.480 Violet Paul of Violet. One of his theories is that 705 00:33:42.559 --> 00:33:45.880 when you have a galaxy here and again in a 706 00:33:45.880 --> 00:33:49.039 galaxy there. When you got two galaxies, that space in 707 00:33:49.079 --> 00:33:52.319 between them actually has a positive gravitational potential. It's not zero, 708 00:33:52.359 --> 00:33:54.039 It actually bows out a little bit. So there's actually 709 00:33:54.039 --> 00:33:57.240 as it's equivalent to negative mass or negative energy to 710 00:33:57.319 --> 00:34:03.200 get this positive gravitational potential bump in between two gravity wells. Okay, 711 00:34:03.680 --> 00:34:06.920 so because by physical convention, whenever you have a mass, 712 00:34:06.960 --> 00:34:08.599 the closer you get to the mass, the more negative 713 00:34:08.599 --> 00:34:14.239 the gravitational potential becomes. But in between large groups groupings 714 00:34:14.239 --> 00:34:17.719 of masses, there's actually a positive gravitational potential. So maybe 715 00:34:17.719 --> 00:34:21.519 that positive corresponds to where the energy that flows into 716 00:34:21.519 --> 00:34:24.360 these black holes in side protons or whatever is re 717 00:34:24.400 --> 00:34:27.239 emitted out from a higher dimension into the vacuum of 718 00:34:27.239 --> 00:34:30.159 space into the zero point energy field somehow, and that 719 00:34:30.199 --> 00:34:34.800 creates like a positive gravitational potential. But so I'm just 720 00:34:34.800 --> 00:34:36.840 talking about a flow loop that has to go through 721 00:34:36.840 --> 00:34:38.880 a higher dimension in order to account for where the 722 00:34:38.880 --> 00:34:39.800 ether flow even goes. 723 00:34:40.320 --> 00:34:44.000 Do you think then in that model that energy is 724 00:34:44.159 --> 00:34:47.800 like a cyclical system, much like the water table on Earth, 725 00:34:47.840 --> 00:34:50.400 where energy is coming from the ether and going back 726 00:34:50.440 --> 00:34:51.519 to the ether eventually. 727 00:34:52.239 --> 00:34:55.079 Yeah, that's yeah, that's very possible. I will say that 728 00:34:55.159 --> 00:34:58.360 even within mainstream physics, it is well well known that 729 00:34:58.519 --> 00:35:03.360 energy involves cycling of something. Something on a quantum level 730 00:35:03.480 --> 00:35:06.360 is cycling, and that is what energy is. And actually 731 00:35:06.440 --> 00:35:10.000 the cycling within quantum physics they would call this quantum phase. 732 00:35:10.320 --> 00:35:12.880 So the quantum phase value is cycling like a clock. 733 00:35:12.920 --> 00:35:14.519 It's spinning like a clock. It's going from zero to 734 00:35:14.519 --> 00:35:17.000 three sixty degrees, you know, zero three sixty degrees, and 735 00:35:17.039 --> 00:35:19.239 it's spinning round and round and round. And the faster 736 00:35:19.320 --> 00:35:22.119 it spins, the more energy is present at that point. 737 00:35:22.360 --> 00:35:24.960 So when you talk about energy density, energy density is 738 00:35:25.000 --> 00:35:31.639 equivalent to the density of faster cycling rates. Okay, so 739 00:35:31.679 --> 00:35:33.760 that's what energy is. It deals with cycling through time, 740 00:35:33.880 --> 00:35:37.760 getting through time. But momentum momentum within physics, that has 741 00:35:37.800 --> 00:35:40.440 to do with cycling through space. So when you get 742 00:35:40.480 --> 00:35:43.159 a spatial wave quantum wave traced down in space, that 743 00:35:43.159 --> 00:35:45.840 corresponds to momentum. But if it traces out through time 744 00:35:45.880 --> 00:35:47.639 as a kind of oscillation, that's to do with energy. 745 00:35:47.679 --> 00:35:50.079 So energy momentum. There are two sides of the same coin, 746 00:35:50.440 --> 00:35:53.280 and they have to do with the cycling of something 747 00:35:53.559 --> 00:35:56.599 something they don't know exactly what it is, but they 748 00:35:57.000 --> 00:35:59.039 think it's Actually they don't know what it is. They 749 00:35:59.039 --> 00:36:00.719 just call a quantum phase and they say, oh, it 750 00:36:00.760 --> 00:36:02.519 spins this way through space and this way through time. 751 00:36:02.599 --> 00:36:05.519 That's that's energy and that's momentum. And then so you know, 752 00:36:05.599 --> 00:36:08.159 it's this kind of self referential how they describe reality, 753 00:36:08.239 --> 00:36:09.960 Like they don't really know what work is or energy 754 00:36:10.039 --> 00:36:12.119 or force or gravity. They explain everything in terms of 755 00:36:12.159 --> 00:36:14.360 everything else, and they sign terms to it, and they 756 00:36:14.679 --> 00:36:17.480 don't ever go to asking the fundamental questions like what 757 00:36:17.599 --> 00:36:19.559 actually is energy, what actually is time? 758 00:36:19.760 --> 00:36:21.800 What is gravity? They don't because they can't. 759 00:36:22.599 --> 00:36:25.360 It's like it's like Nicola Tesla and Nicola Tesla invented 760 00:36:25.400 --> 00:36:27.960 alternating current. Nicola Tesla was a real person, by the way, 761 00:36:28.000 --> 00:36:29.960 Guys I used to think he was a myth. All 762 00:36:30.000 --> 00:36:31.880 he figured out was that if you take a copper 763 00:36:31.920 --> 00:36:35.320 wire and spin it through a magnetic field, current begins 764 00:36:35.360 --> 00:36:38.000 to flow. No, and people say like, oh, well, you're 765 00:36:38.079 --> 00:36:42.039 just converting the kinetic energy into electrical energy. What the 766 00:36:42.039 --> 00:36:45.199 hell does that mean? Like what's the conversion rate? Like 767 00:36:45.239 --> 00:36:46.599 what are you talking about there? 768 00:36:46.639 --> 00:36:49.039 Is that? So if a wind is spinning a. 769 00:36:49.000 --> 00:36:53.679 Turbine, is the wind converting into electrical energy? That's not 770 00:36:53.800 --> 00:36:57.039 is it really converting? Like from a conceptual perspective, it 771 00:36:57.320 --> 00:37:00.239 makes sense you say, well, whatever energy I did here, 772 00:37:00.280 --> 00:37:02.320 that I'm going to get energy out of it. But 773 00:37:02.519 --> 00:37:06.760 from a broader philosophical perspective, it doesn't really make any sense. 774 00:37:06.840 --> 00:37:10.000 You realize that what's really happening in an alternating current 775 00:37:10.159 --> 00:37:14.119 is that time is moving forward, and time is causing 776 00:37:14.199 --> 00:37:17.599 the coil to be flipped, and that's causing the current 777 00:37:17.639 --> 00:37:21.039 to flow. It's crazy to me that the most fundamental 778 00:37:21.119 --> 00:37:24.679 question there is has not really ever been answered, which 779 00:37:24.719 --> 00:37:27.599 is where is energy even coming from? Where's the energy 780 00:37:27.639 --> 00:37:29.199 for these lights right here coming from? 781 00:37:30.000 --> 00:37:31.280 You know? So where do you think? 782 00:37:31.360 --> 00:37:33.559 So you think then that the energy must be coming 783 00:37:33.639 --> 00:37:36.199 from the ether? Do you think all energy is coming 784 00:37:36.239 --> 00:37:36.599 from there? 785 00:37:37.159 --> 00:37:37.880 In a way? 786 00:37:38.000 --> 00:37:39.760 In a way, I think it's coming from time. But 787 00:37:39.880 --> 00:37:42.400 time in a way is synonymous with ether. Like what's 788 00:37:42.400 --> 00:37:46.800 his name? Kazero of the Russian researcher he was he's 789 00:37:47.199 --> 00:37:51.679 researching etheric energy, you know, entropy, time and gravity, and 790 00:37:51.800 --> 00:37:53.400 he related all those to each other. You know, he 791 00:37:53.440 --> 00:37:55.239 said that they're all part of the same system, the 792 00:37:55.280 --> 00:37:58.760 same complex. But I do think that etheric energy or 793 00:37:59.639 --> 00:38:03.559 energy general does involve motion through the hologram you could 794 00:38:03.559 --> 00:38:03.840 call it. 795 00:38:03.840 --> 00:38:04.800 It's some sort of hologram. 796 00:38:05.000 --> 00:38:07.400 So so imagine, you know, it's like with like with animation, 797 00:38:07.880 --> 00:38:09.719 the old the old school, the old school animation. We 798 00:38:09.800 --> 00:38:12.639 got different slides and you take a picture of each one, right, 799 00:38:12.679 --> 00:38:15.920 and you do that. Yeah, so you can take all 800 00:38:15.920 --> 00:38:18.280 those slides or those all those those sheets and lay 801 00:38:18.280 --> 00:38:20.800 them out spatially, and you've got yourself a spatial pattern. 802 00:38:21.320 --> 00:38:23.960 But when you play them through time, now you've got motion. 803 00:38:24.360 --> 00:38:26.960 And you call this motion kinetic energy, right, But really 804 00:38:27.000 --> 00:38:29.960 it's a spatial pattern that's become animated. So time and space, 805 00:38:30.000 --> 00:38:32.039 you know, time and space they are at right angles, 806 00:38:32.039 --> 00:38:34.280 they're orthogonal, you know. But but you know there there 807 00:38:34.280 --> 00:38:36.199 are two sides of the same coin, and that you 808 00:38:36.199 --> 00:38:37.760 can be in between. One could be more of one 809 00:38:37.800 --> 00:38:40.679 or the other, and largely it depends on perspective. 810 00:38:40.800 --> 00:38:40.960 Right. 811 00:38:41.039 --> 00:38:43.920 So if you have if you have an electron and 812 00:38:43.960 --> 00:38:47.039 it's stationary relative to you, it's got an electric field 813 00:38:47.039 --> 00:38:49.159 around it, and it's one hundred percent electric but if 814 00:38:49.199 --> 00:38:51.320 you move past it, all of a sudden, part of 815 00:38:51.360 --> 00:38:55.599 that field becomes magnetic to you, so you know, or 816 00:38:55.599 --> 00:38:57.519 if you take a magnet or a magnetic field and 817 00:38:57.559 --> 00:38:58.880 you move in a certain way, then part of it 818 00:38:58.880 --> 00:39:02.960 becomes electric. So there are things within physics, quantum physics 819 00:39:03.000 --> 00:39:05.400 where if you look at it from the viewpoint of 820 00:39:06.079 --> 00:39:09.280 space time, fourth dimension, the fourth dimensional field, where you've 821 00:39:09.280 --> 00:39:11.639 got space here, you got time here, that entire thing. 822 00:39:11.679 --> 00:39:15.239 You've got these static patterns on here, static patterns. But 823 00:39:15.280 --> 00:39:17.360 when you yourself as the observer, moved through time, then 824 00:39:17.360 --> 00:39:21.320 it actually animates as motion or electricity, converting into magnetism 825 00:39:21.440 --> 00:39:23.880 or whatever. In other words, there are deeper dynamics going 826 00:39:23.880 --> 00:39:27.320 on that explain physics. But the thing is, even if 827 00:39:27.360 --> 00:39:29.400 you ask a physicists, well then why does that happen? 828 00:39:29.440 --> 00:39:30.599 Okay, well, then why does that happen? 829 00:39:30.639 --> 00:39:32.760 And someone you keep drilling down, at some point there's 830 00:39:32.800 --> 00:39:34.280 going to go They're gonna throw the hands up, They're like, 831 00:39:34.320 --> 00:39:36.320 I don't know, I don't know. I've reached the limits 832 00:39:36.360 --> 00:39:39.519 of my language, my conception, of my assumptions. I can't 833 00:39:39.559 --> 00:39:41.440 go any further. And at that point it becomes a 834 00:39:41.440 --> 00:39:45.400 philosophical speculation as to what's actually going on. But yeah, 835 00:39:45.400 --> 00:39:48.079 it's wrong. It's wrong to say that physics is an 836 00:39:48.119 --> 00:39:49.039 explanation of reality. 837 00:39:49.079 --> 00:39:49.320 It's not. 838 00:39:49.400 --> 00:39:54.639 It's a hypothesis. It's a model of reality. It's an approximation. Yeah, yeah, 839 00:39:54.679 --> 00:39:55.639 physics is the model. 840 00:39:56.480 --> 00:39:59.840 Engineering is the practical experimentation and observation. 841 00:40:00.159 --> 00:40:00.400 You know. 842 00:40:00.519 --> 00:40:04.480 So we should be looking at engineers to show us 843 00:40:04.519 --> 00:40:07.960 what's possible, and then physicists to show us to explain 844 00:40:08.000 --> 00:40:10.320 how it's how it is possible. But for some reason, 845 00:40:10.320 --> 00:40:12.840 it feels like it's the opposite. Let me ask you 846 00:40:13.800 --> 00:40:16.199 with zero point energy? Have you read Are you familiar 847 00:40:16.199 --> 00:40:17.199 with how Pudov's work? 848 00:40:17.639 --> 00:40:19.360 Yeah? Yeah, alleged. 849 00:40:20.599 --> 00:40:22.719 Because it feels like I looked at his papers since 850 00:40:22.760 --> 00:40:25.800 we last spoke, and to all the questions you just 851 00:40:25.840 --> 00:40:29.400 brought up about, well, is this zero point energy, this 852 00:40:29.519 --> 00:40:34.559 ether explaining gravity, mass, inertia, his papers say yes, it 853 00:40:34.639 --> 00:40:37.639 explains all of these things. It's not just him, but 854 00:40:37.719 --> 00:40:41.719 he also wrote some papers with Bernard hash and Ruda 855 00:40:41.960 --> 00:40:45.000 as well, and some of them wrote papers by themselves. 856 00:40:45.320 --> 00:40:48.039 It's clear these guys all know each other. So the 857 00:40:48.079 --> 00:40:50.280 crazy part is their papers go back to the eighties. 858 00:40:50.840 --> 00:40:53.280 The first one from how Pudoff was nineteen eighty seven, 859 00:40:53.719 --> 00:40:56.800 which was the ground state of the hydrogen atom, and 860 00:40:56.880 --> 00:41:00.440 he asks the question, why is the hydrogen and adam 861 00:41:00.519 --> 00:41:04.840 not radiate energy at rest? And it seems kind of 862 00:41:04.880 --> 00:41:07.000 counterintuitive at first because you think, well, it's at rest, 863 00:41:07.039 --> 00:41:09.559 it's not supposed to radiate energy. But then from the 864 00:41:09.639 --> 00:41:11.840 quantum mechanic perspective we look at it, we realize that 865 00:41:11.880 --> 00:41:14.639 nothing's ever really at rest. From the quantum mechanic perspective, 866 00:41:14.800 --> 00:41:18.119 if you were to take a pendulum in quantum mechanics, 867 00:41:18.360 --> 00:41:21.840 it never stops. Even you know, we look at something 868 00:41:21.840 --> 00:41:23.719 it looks like it's stopped, but it's never really stopped. 869 00:41:24.280 --> 00:41:26.440 So the conclusion he came to is that, well, it 870 00:41:26.519 --> 00:41:29.199 must be interacting with a field of energy where it's 871 00:41:29.280 --> 00:41:32.599 gaining energy and losing energy at the same rate and equilibrium, 872 00:41:32.880 --> 00:41:36.079 and that's why it doesn't appear to be radiated energy. 873 00:41:36.519 --> 00:41:39.320 He followed it up two years later and wrote what 874 00:41:39.400 --> 00:41:40.760 I think is probably gonna end up be in a 875 00:41:40.800 --> 00:41:45.079 legendary paper in history, which is gravity as a zero 876 00:41:45.119 --> 00:41:48.719 point fluctuation for us, where he's basically saying that the 877 00:41:48.960 --> 00:41:53.159 relative energy densities that are out there create this pressure 878 00:41:53.800 --> 00:41:56.000 that we know of as gravity, which was basically what 879 00:41:56.079 --> 00:41:59.880 you just explained a second ago regarding this etheric flow. 880 00:42:00.400 --> 00:42:01.960 Yeah, he just says it's. 881 00:42:01.800 --> 00:42:03.960 A matter of relative energy densities, which that was me 882 00:42:04.079 --> 00:42:07.679 just kind of stealing his arguments. And then it was 883 00:42:08.320 --> 00:42:10.760 Haitian Ruta later on that came up and said, well, 884 00:42:11.519 --> 00:42:15.519 this also explains inertia, Like why do we feel resistance 885 00:42:15.559 --> 00:42:19.119 when we're moving even through outer space where there's no gravity? 886 00:42:19.480 --> 00:42:22.239 Why do I feel resistance? Well, the answer is because 887 00:42:22.280 --> 00:42:25.039 you're moving through this field, like you would say with 888 00:42:25.119 --> 00:42:28.280 the hologram. It's like you're moving through the hologram, and 889 00:42:28.280 --> 00:42:31.840 when you do that, this is we feel. This resistance 890 00:42:31.880 --> 00:42:33.880 is there, and if you were to remove that zero 891 00:42:33.920 --> 00:42:37.039 point field, then you're not going to feel that resistance anymore. 892 00:42:37.400 --> 00:42:40.000 They also said that this zero point feels what gives 893 00:42:40.079 --> 00:42:43.000 us mass. That's the reason why we have mass at all, 894 00:42:43.519 --> 00:42:46.000 Otherwise we would have no mass. What do you think 895 00:42:46.000 --> 00:42:48.960 about how putoff you think that those theories are sound? 896 00:42:49.039 --> 00:42:53.000 I mean, this guy is connected to the UFO topic 897 00:42:53.079 --> 00:42:55.280 in a way that I never could have anticipated. 898 00:42:55.360 --> 00:42:57.119 Yeah. 899 00:42:57.480 --> 00:42:59.599 Yeah, so I like a lot of what he's written, 900 00:43:00.159 --> 00:43:03.000 but I'm also equally suspicious because someone who's that well 901 00:43:03.000 --> 00:43:05.840 connected and that's smart is also capable of putting out 902 00:43:05.880 --> 00:43:08.159 bs to throw people off track. So I'm careful. I'm 903 00:43:08.159 --> 00:43:10.000 careful when I read this stuff. I'm like, yes, this 904 00:43:10.119 --> 00:43:12.559 makes sense, but I'm going to reserve it's a little 905 00:43:12.599 --> 00:43:14.119 bit of sault, just just to make sure, you know, 906 00:43:14.440 --> 00:43:16.519 just to make sure that I don't swallow it fully. 907 00:43:16.519 --> 00:43:18.159 And I mean the same goes with with anyone else 908 00:43:18.199 --> 00:43:21.400 that that's involved in the higher level stuff that has 909 00:43:21.400 --> 00:43:23.760 secret connections. You know, they could be running interference for 910 00:43:23.760 --> 00:43:25.920 black programs by throwing people off track. They could be, 911 00:43:26.920 --> 00:43:29.280 but it's up to us to understand it and to 912 00:43:29.320 --> 00:43:30.920 see if that is a case or not. I mean, 913 00:43:30.960 --> 00:43:34.239 it's not a good idea to have a blanket suspicion 914 00:43:34.280 --> 00:43:37.119 and just not believe anything. If you're not gonna believe something, 915 00:43:37.119 --> 00:43:39.719 if you can have suspicion about it, explain why, like, 916 00:43:39.800 --> 00:43:41.480 find out why what is off about it? And if 917 00:43:41.519 --> 00:43:43.880 you can't find anything, then hey, guess what it checks out. 918 00:43:44.079 --> 00:43:47.440 So so that that's how I've been with how put off, 919 00:43:47.440 --> 00:43:51.280 And I mean I like that he is. He's open 920 00:43:51.280 --> 00:43:54.000 minded enough to explore things like the vector potential and 921 00:43:54.039 --> 00:43:56.559 the scaler potential, the force free version of those that 922 00:43:56.599 --> 00:43:58.920 don't lead to magnetic and electric fields, the stuff that 923 00:43:58.920 --> 00:44:01.800 I talked about in my last podcast with you. So 924 00:44:02.119 --> 00:44:03.519 he does talk about that, and he talked about it 925 00:44:03.559 --> 00:44:05.519 decades ago, you know, So he's one of those one 926 00:44:05.519 --> 00:44:06.159 of those guys. 927 00:44:06.280 --> 00:44:06.760 It was him. 928 00:44:06.880 --> 00:44:08.800 I mean, there's others like Tom Bearden, who's you know, 929 00:44:08.880 --> 00:44:11.320 talked at nauseum about that. 930 00:44:11.320 --> 00:44:11.840 Sort of thing. 931 00:44:12.320 --> 00:44:14.320 So it's a thing that keeps popping up, but it 932 00:44:14.320 --> 00:44:17.159 never really broaches into the mainstream. For for good reason, 933 00:44:17.199 --> 00:44:19.840 you know, because because academia is sort of a it's 934 00:44:19.880 --> 00:44:22.400 it's gate gatekeeper, you know, it's gate keeped. So there's 935 00:44:22.440 --> 00:44:25.320 just really no way to penetrate it. But but you've 936 00:44:25.320 --> 00:44:28.760 seen his patent by by any chance, yeah, the yeah, 937 00:44:28.800 --> 00:44:30.440 the vector potential communication system. 938 00:44:30.480 --> 00:44:31.480 Is that the one you're talking about? 939 00:44:31.679 --> 00:44:34.199 Oh wait, let me yeah, this one right here. So 940 00:44:34.239 --> 00:44:35.920 I'm just going to read it for the people listening. 941 00:44:36.039 --> 00:44:39.000 Just called first of all, just called communication system. If 942 00:44:39.039 --> 00:44:41.159 you're trying so, you know, I agree with you, you 943 00:44:41.199 --> 00:44:43.079 have we have to be skeptical and we should be 944 00:44:43.159 --> 00:44:46.039 judging arguments based on their merits, also not based on 945 00:44:46.079 --> 00:44:48.840 if somebody did remote viewing in the seventies or whatever. 946 00:44:49.000 --> 00:44:49.519 Crap too. 947 00:44:49.559 --> 00:44:52.639 But when someone's putting disinformation out there, I don't think 948 00:44:52.639 --> 00:44:55.400 they usually call us their pat in something really vague 949 00:44:55.559 --> 00:44:59.880 like communication system like what and so then you read 950 00:44:59.880 --> 00:45:01.679 it and I want to get your take on this. 951 00:45:01.960 --> 00:45:05.199 I've said my take many times. But a communication system 952 00:45:05.280 --> 00:45:09.400 using vector and scalar potential is disclosed. The system uses 953 00:45:09.880 --> 00:45:12.880 field free potentials like you just said signaling for many 954 00:45:12.880 --> 00:45:18.400 applications where the absence of shielding effects in seawater, plasma, 955 00:45:18.559 --> 00:45:20.920 or other dense media due to the fact that the 956 00:45:21.000 --> 00:45:25.440 absence of the electric and magnetic fields eliminates the possibility 957 00:45:25.559 --> 00:45:29.400 of induced charge and current response in the media being transited. 958 00:45:29.719 --> 00:45:31.360 So real quick before I let you jump in here, 959 00:45:31.840 --> 00:45:34.679 is that when I read that, it says we're using 960 00:45:35.320 --> 00:45:38.679 field potentials that have no electric and magnetic field like 961 00:45:38.679 --> 00:45:42.719 the Airnhoff Bom effect, transmitting a scalar potential through the 962 00:45:42.800 --> 00:45:46.679 ether through the zero point energy field, and we're doing 963 00:45:46.719 --> 00:45:51.719 it because electromagnetic fields are blocked by seawater and plasma, 964 00:45:52.159 --> 00:45:56.000 which mean says this is a communication device for communicating 965 00:45:56.000 --> 00:45:59.559 with a submarine, or communicating with the sun, or something 966 00:45:59.599 --> 00:46:02.320 some plants of all. Right, last thing I'll say is 967 00:46:02.360 --> 00:46:06.400 that this patent is not just one. There's five different 968 00:46:06.400 --> 00:46:09.760 patents with different patent numbers, all are the exact same thing, 969 00:46:10.440 --> 00:46:14.199 and they date all the way back to nineteen ninety three, yep. 970 00:46:14.320 --> 00:46:17.840 And I found a news article about this patent and 971 00:46:18.559 --> 00:46:22.599 the mainstream academics were up in arms about it. They 972 00:46:22.639 --> 00:46:26.880 were insessed over the fact that this patent had been approved. 973 00:46:26.920 --> 00:46:30.519 They claimed that it was pseudoscience and that the patent 974 00:46:30.559 --> 00:46:32.519 officer must not have known what they were talking about 975 00:46:32.519 --> 00:46:34.760 to approve this patent. But we can see it's been 976 00:46:34.800 --> 00:46:37.800 approved four o their time since then, most recently in 977 00:46:37.840 --> 00:46:40.440 twenty twenty one. So what is your thoughts on this pattern? 978 00:46:41.159 --> 00:46:42.119 I know, I think it's legit. 979 00:46:42.199 --> 00:46:45.159 I mean, it's just it just uses an expanded version 980 00:46:45.199 --> 00:46:48.079 of Maxwell's equations. Really, I mean, that's that's all it is. 981 00:46:48.079 --> 00:46:51.320 Because so the Maxwell's equations that we know nowadays, what 982 00:46:51.400 --> 00:46:54.639 they are is they relate electric charge to electric fields, 983 00:46:54.800 --> 00:46:57.119 electric fields to magnetic fields when they're both in motion 984 00:46:57.480 --> 00:47:00.760 and so on. So they relate one electromagnetic thing another. Okay, 985 00:47:01.400 --> 00:47:03.599 but thing is to get to that form, they had 986 00:47:03.639 --> 00:47:07.159 to cut out a lot of other things that were implied, 987 00:47:07.320 --> 00:47:08.920 but they were like, well, that stuff isn't physical, so 988 00:47:09.000 --> 00:47:11.239 let's just set it to zero or make them cancel 989 00:47:11.280 --> 00:47:12.519 each other out, so we don't have to worry about 990 00:47:12.519 --> 00:47:14.440 that stuff. You know, it's all imaginary anyway, we can't measure, 991 00:47:14.519 --> 00:47:15.239 we can't prove it. 992 00:47:15.239 --> 00:47:16.039 It's it's it. 993 00:47:15.960 --> 00:47:18.360 Doesn't doesn't matter, so let's only focus on this little part. 994 00:47:18.599 --> 00:47:22.199 And that became the four Maxwell's equations, and that's what's 995 00:47:22.239 --> 00:47:26.480 taught to every physics and electrical engineering student nowadays in college. Okay, 996 00:47:26.519 --> 00:47:28.159 and and they take it for granted, you know, to them, 997 00:47:28.199 --> 00:47:29.239 it's like the Ten commandments. 998 00:47:29.239 --> 00:47:31.360 They don't question it. They just follow it, okay. 999 00:47:31.840 --> 00:47:33.960 And and so when you when you tell them that, hey, 1000 00:47:33.960 --> 00:47:36.760 you know, what you're taught is false or it's incomplete, 1001 00:47:36.800 --> 00:47:39.000 they're like, oh my god, that's blasphemy. 1002 00:47:39.320 --> 00:47:39.599 Right. 1003 00:47:39.679 --> 00:47:41.440 So, so a lot of these scientists, you know, they're 1004 00:47:41.480 --> 00:47:44.079 they're criticizing religion for not being rigorous, but they themselves 1005 00:47:44.119 --> 00:47:46.719 act like priests, you know, they're they act like Pharisees 1006 00:47:46.800 --> 00:47:50.480 or something. So anyway, the point is, if you expand 1007 00:47:50.760 --> 00:47:54.079 Maxwell's equations and you don't use what's called the cool 1008 00:47:54.119 --> 00:47:56.519 engauge or the Lorentz gauge. If you don't use those things, 1009 00:47:56.519 --> 00:47:59.480 which is just those are ways of setting the divergence 1010 00:47:59.519 --> 00:48:03.159 of the magnetic vector potential to zero. Okay, that's called 1011 00:48:03.159 --> 00:48:05.880 the cool engage, or setting it to be the opposite 1012 00:48:06.119 --> 00:48:10.000 of the partial time derivative of the voltage with respect 1013 00:48:10.039 --> 00:48:13.840 to time. Either way, either either cancel the scale effects 1014 00:48:13.840 --> 00:48:15.519 out or you set them both to zero, and you're 1015 00:48:15.519 --> 00:48:18.079 only left with ordinary, non scalar physics. And that's what 1016 00:48:18.119 --> 00:48:21.159 electro magnetic theory is nowadays. So anyway, if you don't 1017 00:48:21.159 --> 00:48:22.960 do that, and you leave those things intact, and you 1018 00:48:23.039 --> 00:48:25.800 leave them alone, and you incorporate those scaler things, then 1019 00:48:26.119 --> 00:48:27.639 what you realize is, well, wait a minute, I can 1020 00:48:27.679 --> 00:48:30.840 create fields that don't have an electric field associated with 1021 00:48:30.880 --> 00:48:32.119 it or a magnetic field. 1022 00:48:31.960 --> 00:48:32.760 Associated with it. 1023 00:48:32.960 --> 00:48:36.400 All you have is a more deeper fundamental vector potential 1024 00:48:36.400 --> 00:48:39.840 and scalar potential that normally give rise to those other fields, 1025 00:48:39.840 --> 00:48:42.880 those main fields that we know. But in this case 1026 00:48:42.880 --> 00:48:44.280 you're not. You're not giving rise to them. You're just 1027 00:48:44.360 --> 00:48:47.039 leaving them alone and having them be what they are. 1028 00:48:47.119 --> 00:48:50.360 So I sort of got into this in my last 1029 00:48:50.719 --> 00:48:53.679 interview with you, where I talked about how the electric 1030 00:48:53.760 --> 00:48:56.039 scalar potential when there's a gradient in it, because remember 1031 00:48:56.039 --> 00:48:57.599 earlier were talking about when you get like like a 1032 00:48:57.639 --> 00:48:59.360 different and thing, you get to flow between it. 1033 00:49:00.039 --> 00:49:00.559 Say the same thing. 1034 00:49:00.559 --> 00:49:02.480 If you've got one voltage here and you got like 1035 00:49:02.480 --> 00:49:05.400 a lower voltage there, then you have a gradient in 1036 00:49:05.400 --> 00:49:08.639 between them, and that gradient creates an electric force field. 1037 00:49:08.760 --> 00:49:11.639 So you can you can think, right, yeah, yeah, yes, yeah, 1038 00:49:11.679 --> 00:49:13.199 So the electric force field, you can think of it 1039 00:49:13.239 --> 00:49:15.719 as a kind of accelerating ether flow. You know, between 1040 00:49:15.719 --> 00:49:18.039 a positive charge and a negative charge. 1041 00:49:18.159 --> 00:49:20.880 That's that's an asymmetry and a diepole too, right, any 1042 00:49:20.920 --> 00:49:23.199 situation where you've got more charge on one side than 1043 00:49:23.239 --> 00:49:26.679 you've got on the other side, Yeah. 1044 00:49:25.880 --> 00:49:27.840 Well yeah, yeah, yes, yes. 1045 00:49:27.920 --> 00:49:29.719 And also if you have a dipole where you got 1046 00:49:29.719 --> 00:49:32.440 like a positive charge or negative charge. If so, imagine 1047 00:49:32.480 --> 00:49:33.960 one is like a like a leaf flower and the 1048 00:49:33.960 --> 00:49:35.760 other one's like a vacuum cleaner. Right, so on one's 1049 00:49:35.760 --> 00:49:37.880 blowing and the other one is stuck in air. If 1050 00:49:37.960 --> 00:49:39.760 you mount them on a stick and just leave them alone, 1051 00:49:39.760 --> 00:49:42.199 they're actually gonna move through the air because it creates 1052 00:49:42.239 --> 00:49:45.199 like a flow around the entire thing, like a like 1053 00:49:45.239 --> 00:49:48.480 a smoke ring, a solenoid, and a smoke ring travels 1054 00:49:48.480 --> 00:49:50.400 through the air because it's sort of like like like 1055 00:49:50.480 --> 00:49:52.559 swimming its way through the air. That's that's what a 1056 00:49:52.599 --> 00:49:53.199 smoke ring does. 1057 00:49:53.400 --> 00:49:54.679 Why smokerings are doing that? 1058 00:49:55.400 --> 00:49:57.079 And in a way, I realize that there's a lot 1059 00:49:57.159 --> 00:50:00.599 more to smoke rings than what people have assumed, Like 1060 00:50:00.599 --> 00:50:03.719 there's a specific reason for why smoke rings form the 1061 00:50:03.719 --> 00:50:06.239 way that they do and the fractal nature when they 1062 00:50:06.679 --> 00:50:08.320 kind of fall apart as well. 1063 00:50:08.400 --> 00:50:10.360 Yeah, and you saw videos, right, you probably showed it 1064 00:50:10.400 --> 00:50:12.199 to your audience where smokings collide. 1065 00:50:12.679 --> 00:50:13.639 Yeah, yeah, it's. 1066 00:50:13.599 --> 00:50:15.559 Super cool watch them Colyde and then they have this 1067 00:50:15.760 --> 00:50:18.960 like ninety degree like where they make a smaller fractal 1068 00:50:19.079 --> 00:50:20.840 version of themselves. And it's consistent. 1069 00:50:21.159 --> 00:50:25.559 But every single time, what I wanted to ask on. 1070 00:50:27.360 --> 00:50:32.039 The Thomas Townson Brown, Actually, let's go I want to 1071 00:50:32.199 --> 00:50:35.079 actually change gears here for a second. Actually I want 1072 00:50:35.119 --> 00:50:36.800 to ask you before I forget, and then I want 1073 00:50:36.800 --> 00:50:38.119 to jump in and show you a video. 1074 00:50:39.119 --> 00:50:40.760 What did you think about the UFO hearing? 1075 00:50:41.119 --> 00:50:45.079 So, given all this information, this knowledge about science, your 1076 00:50:45.199 --> 00:50:50.079 understanding of this technology, your research into it, your research 1077 00:50:50.079 --> 00:50:52.280 into the alien phenomenon non human intelligence. 1078 00:50:53.000 --> 00:50:54.199 What do you think about that hearing? 1079 00:50:55.519 --> 00:50:58.440 I think it's a I think it's it's a token 1080 00:50:58.599 --> 00:51:02.199 gesture towards the idea of disclosure, because if they really 1081 00:51:02.239 --> 00:51:03.639 wanted to, if they really wanted. 1082 00:51:03.440 --> 00:51:05.679 Disclosure, they could do it. You know, they probably could. 1083 00:51:06.199 --> 00:51:08.599 But the thing is they put it out there in 1084 00:51:08.639 --> 00:51:14.880 these little crumbs to so these people that are giving testimonies, right, 1085 00:51:14.920 --> 00:51:16.880 they can only say so much before they start running 1086 00:51:16.920 --> 00:51:20.559 into national security issues and NDAs. 1087 00:51:20.079 --> 00:51:20.719 That they've signed. 1088 00:51:20.920 --> 00:51:22.440 And that's why they're always like, well, I can tell 1089 00:51:22.440 --> 00:51:23.760 you about this, but now I'll tell you about it 1090 00:51:23.840 --> 00:51:25.280 in a skiff, because you know. 1091 00:51:25.599 --> 00:51:26.639 The secured things. 1092 00:51:26.639 --> 00:51:28.760 And then when they finally get into the skiff, they 1093 00:51:29.360 --> 00:51:30.960 give them some bs, and then when they come out 1094 00:51:30.960 --> 00:51:32.480 of it, people ask, well, what did he say in 1095 00:51:32.519 --> 00:51:34.159 the skiff? And then well, we can't talk about it 1096 00:51:34.159 --> 00:51:37.039 because it's it's you know, it's classified. So so the 1097 00:51:37.079 --> 00:51:40.800 Congress people they get blocked, and these people testifying they 1098 00:51:40.800 --> 00:51:42.920 can only say so much, even in a skiff, you know, 1099 00:51:43.400 --> 00:51:46.440 So it's ultimately I think it's a clown show. 1100 00:51:46.719 --> 00:51:49.039 I think it's so. On the one hand, it does 1101 00:51:49.079 --> 00:51:49.880 add an air of. 1102 00:51:49.840 --> 00:51:52.199 Credibility to the UFO subject, like, oh, there's people in 1103 00:51:52.320 --> 00:51:55.280 uniform talking about what they've seen. And I guess for 1104 00:51:55.440 --> 00:51:57.559 the normies of the people that are getting into eupology 1105 00:51:57.599 --> 00:52:00.440 for the first time, it's good for them, like introduces 1106 00:52:00.599 --> 00:52:03.199 it softens them, softens them up to the idea that hey, 1107 00:52:03.199 --> 00:52:04.119 there's really something going on. 1108 00:52:04.199 --> 00:52:04.719 So that's good. 1109 00:52:05.199 --> 00:52:08.400 But for like the seasoned eupology researchers, we're like, oh 1110 00:52:08.400 --> 00:52:11.599 my god, this is so elementary, like why are you 1111 00:52:12.239 --> 00:52:15.079 not going where you should be going? Okay, but to 1112 00:52:15.119 --> 00:52:18.400 their credit, they are going further than they ever have before, 1113 00:52:18.559 --> 00:52:21.000 like all these other prior UFO flaps and stuff going 1114 00:52:21.000 --> 00:52:22.079 back decades and decades. 1115 00:52:22.639 --> 00:52:23.960 Yeah, it's it's more. 1116 00:52:24.039 --> 00:52:25.639 But then again, I mean you think about like Stephen 1117 00:52:25.679 --> 00:52:28.519 Greer and the Disclosure Project in the early two thousands, 1118 00:52:28.679 --> 00:52:31.760 some of those yeah, yeah, yeah, some of those witnesses 1119 00:52:31.800 --> 00:52:33.440 that came on and talk about things. That's a way 1120 00:52:33.519 --> 00:52:36.360 beyond even what's going on currently in these congressional things. 1121 00:52:36.360 --> 00:52:38.559 But then again, the current congressional thing is more official 1122 00:52:38.679 --> 00:52:40.480 because back then it was more like some oh okay, 1123 00:52:40.599 --> 00:52:44.280 just get some publicity, put them in Congress and have 1124 00:52:44.280 --> 00:52:46.280 a big appearance of it. But nowadays, it's a little 1125 00:52:46.280 --> 00:52:49.440 bit more has more teeth nowadays, but still not fully there. 1126 00:52:49.760 --> 00:52:52.039 What do you think the national security issue is that 1127 00:52:52.079 --> 00:52:54.800 they can't talk about? By the way, I totally agree 1128 00:52:54.800 --> 00:52:56.119 with you that the big issue with a lot of 1129 00:52:56.159 --> 00:52:58.320 these guys is that I don't think they're necessarily dishonest people, 1130 00:52:58.679 --> 00:53:02.159 but they've just run into competing incentives where they now 1131 00:53:02.199 --> 00:53:04.360 have NDAs. They can't speak about stuff. They would literally 1132 00:53:04.360 --> 00:53:06.679 go to prison over it. What do you think they're hiding? 1133 00:53:08.119 --> 00:53:12.159 A couple of things. One advanced technology, including admitting to 1134 00:53:12.199 --> 00:53:14.800 what degree they themselves have some of that advanced technology. 1135 00:53:15.079 --> 00:53:18.039 Because the thing is, if there have been crash retrievals, 1136 00:53:18.079 --> 00:53:20.039 as David Grish and all these others have been talking about, 1137 00:53:20.039 --> 00:53:22.960 there are crash retrievals, well who retrieved it, shadow military, 1138 00:53:22.960 --> 00:53:25.639 the secret government, they've been using it, and so therefore, 1139 00:53:25.639 --> 00:53:27.440 if they've been using it, have they developed some of 1140 00:53:27.440 --> 00:53:30.360 that technology? And the answer is yes, And the next 1141 00:53:30.440 --> 00:53:33.079 question is what have they been doing with that technology? 1142 00:53:33.119 --> 00:53:35.920 What about these military abductions? I use portal technology and 1143 00:53:35.960 --> 00:53:39.599 for my control purposes and sexual trafficking purposes and so on, 1144 00:53:39.760 --> 00:53:43.159 web gun running and all that. Well, it leads also 1145 00:53:43.159 --> 00:53:45.679 to a lot of liability because they used it to 1146 00:53:45.719 --> 00:53:47.639 get up to a lot of no good, you know, 1147 00:53:47.679 --> 00:53:50.199 a lot of illegal things and not to mention, not 1148 00:53:50.320 --> 00:53:52.039 to mention, and I'm not the first one to point 1149 00:53:52.039 --> 00:53:53.840 this out. Others have pointed it out that if you 1150 00:53:53.920 --> 00:53:56.719 have one company like Lockheed Martin or something that gets 1151 00:53:56.719 --> 00:54:00.280 access to this tech, but then another group like I 1152 00:54:00.280 --> 00:54:02.760 don't know, Boeing or something did not get access because 1153 00:54:02.760 --> 00:54:03.920 they weren't in with the crowd. 1154 00:54:04.280 --> 00:54:06.639 Well, in Lockheed Martin, they've get over the years, they. 1155 00:54:06.519 --> 00:54:08.920 Get billions and billions and billions of dollars of profits 1156 00:54:08.960 --> 00:54:11.039 from that, whereas the other ones might have to shutter 1157 00:54:11.079 --> 00:54:13.920 their doors because they didn't. Right, So if that truth 1158 00:54:13.960 --> 00:54:15.960 were to come out about what really happened, they would 1159 00:54:15.960 --> 00:54:18.719 have grounds to sue based on you know this, this 1160 00:54:18.800 --> 00:54:20.199 this preferential treatment. 1161 00:54:20.239 --> 00:54:25.280 So there's a huge, huge, huge liability risk to any 1162 00:54:25.320 --> 00:54:27.079 of this coming out to all the people that were 1163 00:54:27.119 --> 00:54:28.960 up to no good in this field. So you got that. 1164 00:54:29.280 --> 00:54:31.320 You got also just the fact that the. 1165 00:54:31.199 --> 00:54:35.280 Whole like ontological shock to humanity, it's not just the 1166 00:54:35.320 --> 00:54:37.920 existence of aliens that's the issue. It is what they 1167 00:54:37.960 --> 00:54:41.519 have been doing potentially in collusion with certain black ops groups, 1168 00:54:41.920 --> 00:54:44.559 illegal stuff, stuff that is just inhuman and if that 1169 00:54:44.599 --> 00:54:46.880 were to come out, yeah, it would. It would rock 1170 00:54:46.880 --> 00:54:49.159 a lot of people's worlds. And also the economic consequences 1171 00:54:49.159 --> 00:54:51.840 like free energy, anti gravity and all that would it 1172 00:54:51.840 --> 00:54:54.719 would wreck It would wreck most of the economy right now. 1173 00:54:54.760 --> 00:54:56.599 You know, maybe for good in the long run, but 1174 00:54:56.639 --> 00:54:58.840 in the short term, Yeah, I would get really ugly. 1175 00:55:00.599 --> 00:55:02.519 Was I actually going to ask you like or I 1176 00:55:02.559 --> 00:55:04.199 was going to bring up the question about the civil 1177 00:55:04.239 --> 00:55:06.760 liability because he asked the criminal liabilities one big assa. 1178 00:55:06.800 --> 00:55:10.199 That's the flashy aspect by who have they been killing, silencing, 1179 00:55:10.800 --> 00:55:14.159 quieting these free energy engineers and stuff like that. But 1180 00:55:14.199 --> 00:55:16.320 there's a less nefarious side of it too, which is 1181 00:55:16.360 --> 00:55:19.480 the civil liability, which is that, oh, maybe it's not 1182 00:55:19.639 --> 00:55:22.840 just the government in the military with this technology. What 1183 00:55:22.880 --> 00:55:25.039 if it's the defense contractors, And what if we gave 1184 00:55:25.199 --> 00:55:29.679 Lockheed Martin this technology like fifty years ago. Now we're 1185 00:55:29.679 --> 00:55:32.000 in a sea of crap where it's like, how do 1186 00:55:32.119 --> 00:55:34.519 we get out of this without? 1187 00:55:34.760 --> 00:55:35.519 You know, and there's. 1188 00:55:35.360 --> 00:55:38.400 People who are accountable and responsible for a lot of 1189 00:55:38.400 --> 00:55:41.880 of this stuff that happened, like the amount of legal 1190 00:55:41.920 --> 00:55:44.639 issues are just huge. And then the bigger thing too, 1191 00:55:45.000 --> 00:55:47.000 I love that you didn't bring up aliens at all, 1192 00:55:47.119 --> 00:55:49.280 even though you're somebody that absolutely, I think believes that 1193 00:55:49.360 --> 00:55:53.679 aliens are there's alien phenomenon happening here. Is that you 1194 00:55:53.719 --> 00:55:56.760 look at and you realize that aliens aren't a national 1195 00:55:56.760 --> 00:55:59.400 security issue. Of course, I mean at a higher political level, 1196 00:55:59.440 --> 00:56:02.280 it's a it's a political issue that you have to 1197 00:56:02.280 --> 00:56:05.559 deal with, but unless they're threatening to destroy our country, 1198 00:56:05.599 --> 00:56:08.679 it's not really a national security issue. The national security 1199 00:56:08.719 --> 00:56:12.679 issue is the impact of the technology, like you pointed out, 1200 00:56:12.840 --> 00:56:16.840 like what would free energy do to our society? Potentially 1201 00:56:16.880 --> 00:56:19.760 would change everything if we could leave the planet and 1202 00:56:19.760 --> 00:56:23.440 go through a portal to Mars or Andromeda or somewhere, 1203 00:56:23.480 --> 00:56:26.920 Like what does that do to our civilization? And those 1204 00:56:26.920 --> 00:56:30.880 are the positive outlooks. There's people as well, and I 1205 00:56:30.920 --> 00:56:35.480 want to get your thoughts on this, which is sal Pais, 1206 00:56:36.119 --> 00:56:38.679 in a statement that he made and then also in 1207 00:56:38.719 --> 00:56:41.519 the interview I did with him as well, really alluded 1208 00:56:41.519 --> 00:56:46.639 to this idea that we've been developing technology to basically 1209 00:56:46.760 --> 00:56:50.159 fight back against non human intelligence using a form of 1210 00:56:50.199 --> 00:56:53.119 their technology that we have advanced in a way that 1211 00:56:53.159 --> 00:56:55.760 they won't be prepared for I thought that was a 1212 00:56:55.800 --> 00:56:59.559 pretty crazy idea, but I've learned to not doubt the 1213 00:56:59.599 --> 00:57:03.119 man at this point. And it speaks to this idea 1214 00:57:03.360 --> 00:57:08.000 of a prison planet that basically we've been reset, or 1215 00:57:08.039 --> 00:57:11.719 we are being held down, and maybe after we reach 1216 00:57:11.719 --> 00:57:15.760 a certain level of technological advancement, income the others and 1217 00:57:16.519 --> 00:57:19.400 reset us back down to zero. What is your thoughts 1218 00:57:19.480 --> 00:57:21.880 on that philosophy, that mindset. 1219 00:57:22.119 --> 00:57:25.559 Yeah, so the thing is, our technological progress has been 1220 00:57:26.079 --> 00:57:28.800 it's definitely been accelerating, and I think, as I mentioned earlier, 1221 00:57:28.840 --> 00:57:31.840 it would have still continued even without any help by 1222 00:57:31.960 --> 00:57:34.559 non human intelligences. I guess I think we're still going 1223 00:57:34.599 --> 00:57:37.519 to accelerate upwards. And the problem is when we get 1224 00:57:37.519 --> 00:57:41.679 beyond a certain point, we start infringing on their asymmetric 1225 00:57:41.800 --> 00:57:45.440 power advantage. Okay, I'm talking about these these alien civizations 1226 00:57:45.519 --> 00:57:49.639 or factions or something. So we become a threat, but 1227 00:57:49.679 --> 00:57:52.719 at the same time, for some of these highly efficient 1228 00:57:52.880 --> 00:57:56.719 predatory factions, we also become an opportunity because if we 1229 00:57:56.800 --> 00:58:00.719 become sufficiently technologically advanced and they gain control of us, 1230 00:58:01.280 --> 00:58:03.760 then we are advanced to run our own prison planet 1231 00:58:04.000 --> 00:58:06.599 for them. You know, once we got satellites. When we've 1232 00:58:06.599 --> 00:58:09.079 got ships in our brains and you know, cameras everywhere 1233 00:58:09.119 --> 00:58:12.159 AI monitoring our every move and our every thought. We 1234 00:58:12.199 --> 00:58:14.880 lock ourselves down and so we kind of, you know, 1235 00:58:14.920 --> 00:58:17.360 wrap ourselves up in this in this this birthday wrapping paper, 1236 00:58:17.440 --> 00:58:19.239 put a bow on it and hand it over to 1237 00:58:19.519 --> 00:58:22.159 this controlling alien civilization. And they don't have to lift 1238 00:58:22.199 --> 00:58:26.840 a finger. I mean, you know, to be highly intelligent 1239 00:58:26.880 --> 00:58:29.599 and highly efficient and highly predatory, that's what that would involve. 1240 00:58:29.800 --> 00:58:32.320 It wouldn't involve like like doing a Blitzkreek on a 1241 00:58:32.360 --> 00:58:33.400 planet and taking. 1242 00:58:33.119 --> 00:58:33.679 It by force. 1243 00:58:34.199 --> 00:58:37.320 You wuld do it through subtle manipulation, but possibly over centuries, 1244 00:58:37.320 --> 00:58:40.360 you know, manipulating religions, belief systems, political ideologies. I mean, 1245 00:58:40.480 --> 00:58:43.320 for all I know, Marxism was invented by something non 1246 00:58:43.400 --> 00:58:46.760 human to fool humans. You know, something something smarter has 1247 00:58:46.760 --> 00:58:48.880 to fool humans in order to create something that fools 1248 00:58:48.920 --> 00:58:51.400 most smart humans. And the same thing with like string 1249 00:58:51.440 --> 00:58:55.639 theory for example, right string theory was his name Witten 1250 00:58:55.679 --> 00:58:58.119 or something like that. The people that came up with it, 1251 00:58:58.199 --> 00:58:59.719 oh man, they had to be so smart to come 1252 00:58:59.800 --> 00:59:02.119 up with that theory. But if the theory is false, 1253 00:59:02.159 --> 00:59:04.280 and if it is deceptive, then they have to be 1254 00:59:04.320 --> 00:59:07.039 even smarter than these these one hundred and sixty IQ 1255 00:59:07.159 --> 00:59:10.320 PhDs that study string theory for their entire careers. You 1256 00:59:10.320 --> 00:59:11.719 know what I mean, You got to be smarter than 1257 00:59:11.719 --> 00:59:14.760 the smartest humans. Yeah, yeah, so and so so the 1258 00:59:14.800 --> 00:59:19.639 deception system that is in place, whether we're talking about archaeology, genetics, physics, 1259 00:59:20.559 --> 00:59:25.440 you know, technology engineering, it is so well crafted that 1260 00:59:25.760 --> 00:59:27.480 to me, it seems to me that it would have 1261 00:59:27.599 --> 00:59:30.320 to have an even higher superior intelligence to craft it 1262 00:59:30.440 --> 00:59:33.880 to fool our best and brightest for so long, you know. 1263 00:59:33.960 --> 00:59:35.880 So that's another reason why I do think that aliens 1264 00:59:35.920 --> 00:59:38.079 might have had a hand in, you know, some of 1265 00:59:38.119 --> 00:59:40.639 the suppression, because obviously they would. They would also stand 1266 00:59:40.679 --> 00:59:44.119 to lose from us developing let's say, free energy, anti gravity, 1267 00:59:44.159 --> 00:59:46.199 because when we'd be able to go to their territories, 1268 00:59:46.800 --> 00:59:50.039 we'd become problems for them. Right We've become problems for them, 1269 00:59:50.039 --> 00:59:53.239 whereas right now we're nicely tucked away on this little 1270 00:59:53.280 --> 00:59:55.960 blue marble and we're not really a problem, and we're 1271 00:59:56.199 --> 00:59:58.840 like a We're like a nice fish pond that they 1272 00:59:59.039 --> 01:00:00.920 just come by and take a little fish out when 1273 01:00:00.920 --> 01:00:02.840 they need to. And but once the fish grow legs 1274 01:00:02.880 --> 01:00:05.079 and start arming themselves with guns and start you know, 1275 01:00:05.119 --> 01:00:06.800 going on their lines, and that becomes a problem. 1276 01:00:07.320 --> 01:00:10.760 So what scares me though about that is that it, yeah, 1277 01:00:11.079 --> 01:00:14.000 like it makes sense, is that you would wait until 1278 01:00:14.039 --> 01:00:16.320 they reached a level where they're a threat and then 1279 01:00:16.360 --> 01:00:19.159 you would just come down and wipe them out. Or 1280 01:00:19.639 --> 01:00:22.239 if you're smart, you don't even need to use force, 1281 01:00:22.400 --> 01:00:27.440 like you said, you just manipulate, psychologically, manipulate the movements 1282 01:00:27.440 --> 01:00:30.039 of the civilization, kind of like in the first Batman 1283 01:00:30.119 --> 01:00:34.000 Batman Begins movie where the evil organizations like, we used 1284 01:00:34.000 --> 01:00:38.639 a new weapon economics to take down civilizations, and you 1285 01:00:38.639 --> 01:00:41.159 look at what the CIA already does, and you go, 1286 01:00:41.519 --> 01:00:43.880 they already do these activities. 1287 01:00:43.920 --> 01:00:44.960 Oh yeah, yeah. 1288 01:00:45.079 --> 01:00:47.760 The CIA guy, Kevin Ship, he was just on with 1289 01:00:47.880 --> 01:00:50.639 Candice Owens. He even mentioned that image U seven zero videos, 1290 01:00:50.639 --> 01:00:54.639 and right before he did, he mentioned how the CIA's 1291 01:00:54.920 --> 01:00:59.719 basic motto is like it's a matter of plausible deniability. 1292 01:01:00.440 --> 01:01:02.599 They can do anything they want as long as they 1293 01:01:02.679 --> 01:01:06.079 don't make the government look bad. And you realize something 1294 01:01:06.119 --> 01:01:08.440 like that is possible, and you go, well, why not 1295 01:01:08.719 --> 01:01:12.000 non human intelligence? Maybe they are manipulating us behind the 1296 01:01:12.039 --> 01:01:15.840 scenes from the shadows, like the little puppet masters, so 1297 01:01:15.920 --> 01:01:18.440 to speak. It even speaks to Plato's cave, you know, 1298 01:01:18.519 --> 01:01:21.280 the shadows on the walls instead of seeing the true reality. 1299 01:01:21.840 --> 01:01:22.280 Yeah. 1300 01:01:22.320 --> 01:01:24.679 Well, well, you know what, before we move on, like 1301 01:01:24.760 --> 01:01:27.239 think about this, we talk about we think about the 1302 01:01:27.239 --> 01:01:31.480 government or the shadow military reverse engineering alien technologies. Right, 1303 01:01:31.639 --> 01:01:34.079 so that's pretty much accepted with an euthology that sort 1304 01:01:34.119 --> 01:01:37.320 of thing is happening. But what about them reverse engineering 1305 01:01:37.840 --> 01:01:43.559 alien methods of control, psychological control, cultural control, you know, 1306 01:01:43.639 --> 01:01:46.679 political maneuvering, and so on. What if they learned from 1307 01:01:46.679 --> 01:01:49.199 that as well and are applying it to us. Maybe 1308 01:01:49.239 --> 01:01:51.920 that is part of the basis of why the CIA 1309 01:01:51.960 --> 01:01:53.719 operates the way it does. You know, I mean, CIA 1310 01:01:53.800 --> 01:01:57.320 traces back to well to several things, but but also 1311 01:01:57.679 --> 01:01:59.360 some of the Nazis that were brought over from World 1312 01:01:59.360 --> 01:02:03.000 War Two. There's a lot of rumors about the Nazis 1313 01:02:03.039 --> 01:02:06.840 having had interactions with non human beings to get some 1314 01:02:06.880 --> 01:02:08.519 of their technology and so on, and that's why they 1315 01:02:08.559 --> 01:02:11.440 accelerated so quickly between like nineteen thirty and nineteen forties. 1316 01:02:11.639 --> 01:02:14.719 Who knows who I mean, maybe there's something uh something 1317 01:02:14.760 --> 01:02:15.000 to that. 1318 01:02:15.559 --> 01:02:17.719 Yeah, the Nazi thing is really interesting to me. It 1319 01:02:17.719 --> 01:02:19.880 was something that I wanted to dismiss as kind of 1320 01:02:19.920 --> 01:02:22.639 a conspiratorial people are trying to connect dots that don't exist. 1321 01:02:22.880 --> 01:02:25.280 But then you find out about Operation paper Clip, and 1322 01:02:25.320 --> 01:02:28.519 you find out like Friedberg. Win Winnenberg was one of 1323 01:02:28.519 --> 01:02:30.920 the guys that was brought over when he was like 1324 01:02:30.960 --> 01:02:35.000 fifteen from a project paper Clip from Germany, and he 1325 01:02:35.119 --> 01:02:39.360 studied under Werner Heisenberg, like the Heisenberg of Heisenberg's uncertainty principle. 1326 01:02:39.679 --> 01:02:41.840 Oh and by the way, he also believes in a 1327 01:02:41.880 --> 01:02:46.199 plank ether or a hypothesis, which is basically exactly what 1328 01:02:46.199 --> 01:02:48.719 we've been talking about and this whole zero point energy 1329 01:02:48.719 --> 01:02:53.000 field thing. So I've wanted to dismiss it. But the 1330 01:02:53.039 --> 01:02:55.840 more we look back, the further this thing really goes, 1331 01:02:56.000 --> 01:02:58.519 and it does go back to like even the early 1332 01:02:58.639 --> 01:03:01.960 nineteen hundreds, which is does make you wonder if there's 1333 01:03:02.000 --> 01:03:04.239 something else at play. I don't really know where it's 1334 01:03:04.239 --> 01:03:05.599 coming from, but it's interesting. 1335 01:03:05.920 --> 01:03:08.719 Well, I was listening to an interview recently with Eugene 1336 01:03:08.760 --> 01:03:09.480 put Klutenoff. 1337 01:03:09.800 --> 01:03:14.400 You know, anyway, there was an inter superconductors. By the way, 1338 01:03:14.400 --> 01:03:16.559 for people that are out there and and and basically 1339 01:03:17.400 --> 01:03:19.159 was doing the same stuff Ning Lee was doing in 1340 01:03:19.199 --> 01:03:22.559 the nineties of researching y CBO hy b C why 1341 01:03:22.639 --> 01:03:25.159 CBO superconductors for anti gravity. 1342 01:03:25.440 --> 01:03:27.400 Yeah, if you guys want to like check out what 1343 01:03:27.559 --> 01:03:32.199 is the latest cutting edge in public publicly accessible anti gravity, 1344 01:03:32.760 --> 01:03:35.159 I would I would point them to put Klutenoff because 1345 01:03:35.719 --> 01:03:39.719 he was an he's an experimental physicist. So experimental means 1346 01:03:39.719 --> 01:03:41.880 you're not just pen on paper, you're actually doing it 1347 01:03:41.880 --> 01:03:45.280 for real, and he's he's got it. Like and so 1348 01:03:45.440 --> 01:03:48.159 he was asked in the interview how he began or 1349 01:03:48.159 --> 01:03:50.679 how how he discovered this sort of stuff. He mentioned 1350 01:03:50.800 --> 01:03:54.079 I think if I remember correctly, that his dad during 1351 01:03:54.079 --> 01:03:56.239 World War Two got access to some of the papers 1352 01:03:56.239 --> 01:03:59.000 that the Nazi scientists really developed. Yeah, some of those 1353 01:03:59.000 --> 01:04:01.400 patents and papers and you know, things like that, And 1354 01:04:01.480 --> 01:04:04.159 so Pakolatnov during his early years was trying to study those, 1355 01:04:04.159 --> 01:04:05.960 trying to reverse engineer it, trying to figure out how 1356 01:04:05.960 --> 01:04:08.119 it worked. And then it took him like two three 1357 01:04:08.159 --> 01:04:10.159 decades and he finally got it. And so that's why 1358 01:04:10.440 --> 01:04:12.800 he was even doing the experiments that he was doing 1359 01:04:12.800 --> 01:04:16.320 with like rotating superconductors and other rotating things because he 1360 01:04:16.400 --> 01:04:20.599 was trying to apply what he reversed engineering from some 1361 01:04:20.639 --> 01:04:24.320 of these Nazi Nazi papers about playing anti gravity ships 1362 01:04:24.320 --> 01:04:24.639 and so on. 1363 01:04:25.440 --> 01:04:30.800 Yeah, spin and magnetism, especially super conductivity is it's quantum 1364 01:04:30.800 --> 01:04:33.400 effect on the macroscopic scale, So it shouldn't be surprising 1365 01:04:33.440 --> 01:04:35.760 that it's connected to this, especially at the universe is electorate. 1366 01:04:35.800 --> 01:04:38.920 Do you know when that interview happened? How long ago it. 1367 01:04:38.840 --> 01:04:42.440 Was, I'm guessing a couple of years. I'll link it. 1368 01:04:42.800 --> 01:04:44.719 Yeah, it tends to me later that sounds great. 1369 01:04:46.039 --> 01:04:48.559 Now, there was an interview that I want to share 1370 01:04:48.719 --> 01:04:50.599 a couple of just a few minutes of the clip 1371 01:04:51.280 --> 01:04:55.159 with you, that was on a Project Unity's channel four 1372 01:04:55.239 --> 01:04:58.480 years ago, and so this predates my emergence on the 1373 01:04:58.480 --> 01:05:01.280 scene of the UFO phenomenon. What have you? And I 1374 01:05:01.400 --> 01:05:04.679 listened to this and it sort of blew my mind. 1375 01:05:04.760 --> 01:05:07.039 Just to set the background for it. It's from somebody 1376 01:05:07.079 --> 01:05:09.880 who just calls himself mister X. You can hear their 1377 01:05:09.960 --> 01:05:12.000 voice that don't use a voice change or anything like that. 1378 01:05:12.039 --> 01:05:13.599 If you know who they are, please let me know. 1379 01:05:15.639 --> 01:05:19.840 And they talk about the Saphire projects and how put 1380 01:05:19.880 --> 01:05:23.760 off and they talk specifically about plasma more specifically, they 1381 01:05:23.800 --> 01:05:26.840 talk about exotic vacuum objects, which is something that Ken's 1382 01:05:26.840 --> 01:05:30.719 shoulders discovered in the late eighties, around the same time 1383 01:05:30.760 --> 01:05:33.880 that Pons and Fleischmann made their announcement of cold fusion. 1384 01:05:35.079 --> 01:05:38.639 And this guy, from listening to this, he's clearly in 1385 01:05:38.679 --> 01:05:41.400 the know. This isn't some random person off the street, 1386 01:05:41.559 --> 01:05:43.920 like he knows these people. He knows all the players, 1387 01:05:44.599 --> 01:05:46.440 he's clearly worked with some of them. But he also 1388 01:05:46.480 --> 01:05:50.440 sounds like a pretty young guy. There was a specific 1389 01:05:50.480 --> 01:05:52.360 part in this interview, a couple of parts actually that 1390 01:05:52.400 --> 01:05:56.280 I thought were just huge moments, but one part I 1391 01:05:56.280 --> 01:05:59.360 thought you needed to listen to here, which was really interesting. 1392 01:05:59.400 --> 01:06:04.400 So let's go ahead and play this for you. So 1393 01:06:04.480 --> 01:06:06.719 here is the video, mister ax. 1394 01:06:06.960 --> 01:06:07.679 Here's the clue. 1395 01:06:08.079 --> 01:06:12.719 A paper online called a Brief Introduction to scaler Physics. 1396 01:06:12.920 --> 01:06:15.639 His name is Thomas Mendeleth, and it's called a Brief 1397 01:06:15.639 --> 01:06:18.719 Introduction to scalar Physics. It's a great document and he 1398 01:06:18.760 --> 01:06:22.000 has done a ton of research where he lays out 1399 01:06:22.360 --> 01:06:26.639 how gravity, mass, inertia, even time itself is controlled by 1400 01:06:26.639 --> 01:06:30.039 the scaler invector potentials. And he has written a very 1401 01:06:30.079 --> 01:06:32.320 good paper on this, and he has a website at 1402 01:06:32.440 --> 01:06:35.320 mond talk dot net m O N e A l 1403 01:06:35.480 --> 01:06:39.679 A dot net and there's a section on scaler physics. 1404 01:06:39.880 --> 01:06:43.079 But this guy has posted a lot of information and 1405 01:06:43.360 --> 01:06:45.599 I think he's a genius. And he explains this with 1406 01:06:45.719 --> 01:06:48.840 illustrations and graphics so that the ordinary person can comprehend it. 1407 01:06:49.320 --> 01:06:50.639 And you know, and one thing, A couple more things 1408 01:06:50.679 --> 01:06:52.280 about the flux line I want I want to mention 1409 01:06:52.639 --> 01:06:54.880 what's so critical is there's a lot of talk today 1410 01:06:54.920 --> 01:06:59.400 and upology about UFOs require these super advanced meta materials 1411 01:06:59.679 --> 01:07:04.079 with nano layer. Yeah, that's not required to build anti 1412 01:07:04.079 --> 01:07:08.320 gravity vehicles. And I don't think all UFOs had such 1413 01:07:08.320 --> 01:07:11.800 exact meta materials. Some probably did, but I don't think 1414 01:07:11.920 --> 01:07:14.599 they all did. I think the idea that you that 1415 01:07:14.679 --> 01:07:17.039 we have to master the production of these execty meta 1416 01:07:17.079 --> 01:07:19.599 materials to produce some anti gravity craft, it's a flat 1417 01:07:19.639 --> 01:07:20.079 out line. 1418 01:07:20.159 --> 01:07:20.960 Do you think do you think? 1419 01:07:21.519 --> 01:07:21.840 Sorry? 1420 01:07:21.920 --> 01:07:25.159 I was okay, So first of all, Wow, you just 1421 01:07:25.159 --> 01:07:26.199 got at a shot out there. 1422 01:07:26.199 --> 01:07:27.039 Have you not seen that? 1423 01:07:28.079 --> 01:07:29.880 I didn't know that he did an interview with you? 1424 01:07:30.320 --> 01:07:31.039 Was that your interview? 1425 01:07:31.320 --> 01:07:31.400 Oh? 1426 01:07:31.480 --> 01:07:36.719 That was an interview with with Unity. Yeah, and this 1427 01:07:36.800 --> 01:07:39.400 is again from four years ago. And all of a 1428 01:07:39.440 --> 01:07:41.519 sudden he had been talking. He started talking about scaler 1429 01:07:41.679 --> 01:07:43.960 fields and he name drops you. I think right before 1430 01:07:44.000 --> 01:07:46.079 that he was started talking about Maxwell's equations as well, 1431 01:07:46.119 --> 01:07:47.360 like everybody seems to. 1432 01:07:48.199 --> 01:07:51.159 Has he ever reached out to you. 1433 01:07:50.159 --> 01:07:51.639 No, he has not reached out to me. I would 1434 01:07:51.679 --> 01:07:53.719 love if mister X is out there watching. I would 1435 01:07:53.880 --> 01:07:57.039 love to talk to mister X and then the other 1436 01:07:57.119 --> 01:07:59.280 I let that play for another minute or so because 1437 01:07:59.320 --> 01:08:01.360 I wanted to get you or feedback on that claim. 1438 01:08:01.400 --> 01:08:03.960 This is something that I've been struggling to reconcile, which 1439 01:08:04.000 --> 01:08:06.920 is when you talk about the energy source, is the 1440 01:08:07.079 --> 01:08:11.280 energy source external like the zero point energy field or 1441 01:08:11.480 --> 01:08:16.520 is there some other fuel that they have that is 1442 01:08:16.560 --> 01:08:21.439 somehow getting around the limitation of E equals mc squared. 1443 01:08:21.520 --> 01:08:24.399 And the faster you move something, the more you know 1444 01:08:24.720 --> 01:08:25.760 energy it takes. 1445 01:08:26.119 --> 01:08:28.159 What is your thought on, you know? 1446 01:08:28.199 --> 01:08:31.000 And this also speaks to Bob Blazar and Element one fifteen. 1447 01:08:31.039 --> 01:08:33.640 What we're really down here is is there an element 1448 01:08:33.680 --> 01:08:36.239 one fifteen or you know, we just call it mysterious 1449 01:08:36.720 --> 01:08:39.800 fuel source or do you think it's just directly coming 1450 01:08:39.880 --> 01:08:42.319 from the environment the zero point energy field? 1451 01:08:42.680 --> 01:08:45.880 Yeah, So personally, I don't really believe in the element 1452 01:08:45.920 --> 01:08:48.960 one fifteen theory. I mean, obviously element one fifteen can 1453 01:08:49.000 --> 01:08:51.159 be produced in the lab, and it has been, but 1454 01:08:51.239 --> 01:08:53.399 I don't think but but I don't think that it's 1455 01:08:53.720 --> 01:08:56.119 something that's mass producible and that it plays a role 1456 01:08:56.159 --> 01:08:58.520 in an anti gravity ship as Bob as Our. As 1457 01:08:58.560 --> 01:09:00.680 Bob as Our claims, you know, and he himself when 1458 01:09:00.680 --> 01:09:02.359 he claims that stuff, I think he was going off 1459 01:09:02.399 --> 01:09:04.359 of recovered memories because he had had some weird memory. 1460 01:09:04.760 --> 01:09:06.640 Remember earlier I was talking about people going to the 1461 01:09:06.640 --> 01:09:08.039 Black Ops programs and they come out of it and 1462 01:09:08.079 --> 01:09:10.000 they don't remember what they did during that time when 1463 01:09:10.000 --> 01:09:12.399 they were in. Well, that's a common thing, and if 1464 01:09:12.399 --> 01:09:15.199 Bob Bazar is legit, then he probably underwent a similar 1465 01:09:15.239 --> 01:09:18.119 sort of memory white procedure. And so therefore anything that 1466 01:09:18.159 --> 01:09:22.479 he does remember, either it's incomplete or it could be 1467 01:09:22.479 --> 01:09:24.720 a screen memory that was put there to cover up 1468 01:09:24.760 --> 01:09:26.560 for the real thing that actually happened. 1469 01:09:26.840 --> 01:09:27.640 Possibly, I don't know. 1470 01:09:27.760 --> 01:09:30.359 Okay, So I don't know if Eleman one fifteen is 1471 01:09:31.000 --> 01:09:34.560 real dealent, But I would say that there are different 1472 01:09:35.119 --> 01:09:38.439 types of technologies for producing similar effects in terms of 1473 01:09:39.000 --> 01:09:43.720 time warping, propulsion getting free energy. There are different methods, 1474 01:09:44.159 --> 01:09:47.920 but they're not an infinite number of different methods. You 1475 01:09:48.239 --> 01:09:50.359 can sort of categorize them into Okay, you're using this 1476 01:09:50.359 --> 01:09:52.399 principle of physics. Okay, he just uses that principle, and 1477 01:09:52.439 --> 01:09:57.000 they're closely related, but there's slightly different, especially especially when 1478 01:09:57.039 --> 01:09:59.239 it comes to propulsion, like for example, the Towns and 1479 01:09:59.319 --> 01:10:03.039 Brown stuff Bifail brown effect. That's a different mechanism from 1480 01:10:03.159 --> 01:10:05.920 what pod Kletnov was doing with a rotating superconductors or 1481 01:10:06.000 --> 01:10:07.159 rotating magnetic fields. 1482 01:10:07.239 --> 01:10:09.399 They both lead to propulsion, right, but they're but they're different. 1483 01:10:10.000 --> 01:10:15.159 And mister X, yeah, I'm familiar with with that individual. 1484 01:10:15.399 --> 01:10:18.880 He he Yeah, he's talking about the flux liner, the 1485 01:10:18.880 --> 01:10:21.560 flu the ARV Alien reproduction vehicle flex liner that Mark 1486 01:10:21.600 --> 01:10:24.680 McAndlish was talking about. Yeah, that's an interesting thing because 1487 01:10:24.680 --> 01:10:26.760 if you look at it, you see different components, you 1488 01:10:26.800 --> 01:10:28.359 can sort of start to guess how it works. Like, 1489 01:10:28.399 --> 01:10:30.840 for example, there's a coil around the top and then 1490 01:10:30.840 --> 01:10:33.720 there's a rotating disc in there, so that's a homopolar generator. 1491 01:10:33.760 --> 01:10:34.880 Okay, that's what that is. 1492 01:10:35.319 --> 01:10:39.439 And then at the bottom there are these these crystalline 1493 01:10:39.800 --> 01:10:43.159 capacitor layers you know, like in a fanned grid array 1494 01:10:43.279 --> 01:10:46.439 sort of like that, and the probably bifail brown gravitators 1495 01:10:46.439 --> 01:10:48.920 that's probably what they are, so like high voltage gravitators 1496 01:10:48.920 --> 01:10:51.520 that could be like changed in direction, combined with some 1497 01:10:51.560 --> 01:10:53.079 sort of a homopolar thing, which I don't know if 1498 01:10:53.119 --> 01:10:56.039 that was just to generate extremely high currents or if 1499 01:10:56.079 --> 01:10:58.840 it you know, functioned additionally for it for its own reasons, 1500 01:10:58.880 --> 01:11:02.920 but they're there's a certain logic behind various propulsion methods, 1501 01:11:03.840 --> 01:11:05.680 and the same thing also goes for energy. I think 1502 01:11:05.680 --> 01:11:07.760 in some cases it is definitely tapping it from the 1503 01:11:07.840 --> 01:11:11.279 zero point energy field just that. But here's a problem. 1504 01:11:11.760 --> 01:11:13.720 When you tap it from the zero point energy field, 1505 01:11:14.239 --> 01:11:17.479 you are changing the zero point energy field in your 1506 01:11:17.479 --> 01:11:18.119 local region. 1507 01:11:18.520 --> 01:11:19.359 You're changing it. 1508 01:11:19.479 --> 01:11:22.359 You know, you're extracting, you're converting energy from one domain 1509 01:11:22.520 --> 01:11:24.960 to another domain. And so therefore, know one domain goes 1510 01:11:25.000 --> 01:11:26.720 up and the other domain goes down, and so that 1511 01:11:26.760 --> 01:11:29.399 can lead to some very weird, very weird effects like 1512 01:11:29.479 --> 01:11:32.479 for example, one example that comes to mind is a 1513 01:11:32.520 --> 01:11:35.479 guy named Leon Sprink s P R I n K. 1514 01:11:35.720 --> 01:11:37.479 Leon Sprink. Have you ever heard of Leon Sprink? 1515 01:11:38.000 --> 01:11:38.720 I don't think so. 1516 01:11:39.239 --> 01:11:40.560 I think he was a He was a chemist. I 1517 01:11:40.600 --> 01:11:42.680 don't know if he was Russian or French or something, 1518 01:11:42.760 --> 01:11:45.279 but this is like many many decades ago. Anyway, he 1519 01:11:45.319 --> 01:11:48.680 figured out a process where if you construct a wooden 1520 01:11:48.840 --> 01:11:51.479 frame and you put electrodes in there at an x 1521 01:11:51.880 --> 01:11:54.239 X pattern electrodes, and you give it like one hundred 1522 01:11:54.239 --> 01:11:56.079 and fifty thousand volts, you just kind of let it run. 1523 01:11:56.359 --> 01:11:58.279 If you let it run for hours, if not days, 1524 01:11:58.319 --> 01:12:00.399 all of a sudden you start getting an ex banning 1525 01:12:00.479 --> 01:12:04.479 field of altered ether, you could say, where chemical processes 1526 01:12:04.560 --> 01:12:07.239 would go way faster than they would normally. And so 1527 01:12:07.279 --> 01:12:10.239 he used his process in order to speed up chemical 1528 01:12:10.479 --> 01:12:13.039 processing of cement, like a cemmetri factory, you know, whether 1529 01:12:13.039 --> 01:12:15.560 the making lime or whatever they make for for making cement. 1530 01:12:16.199 --> 01:12:18.760 He was able to use this process to alter the 1531 01:12:18.760 --> 01:12:21.760 ether itself in order to alter chemical processes to you know, 1532 01:12:21.960 --> 01:12:23.159 speed up industrial production. 1533 01:12:24.479 --> 01:12:24.640 Yeah. 1534 01:12:24.720 --> 01:12:26.159 Yeah, But but the reason why I mentioned that is 1535 01:12:26.159 --> 01:12:30.760 because his arrangement of electrodes electrodes was doing something to 1536 01:12:30.840 --> 01:12:32.800 the ether that was altering it, and one of the 1537 01:12:32.840 --> 01:12:36.800 effects was alteration of chemical processes. Now, there are other 1538 01:12:36.880 --> 01:12:39.279 alterations that can happen. You can have alterations where the 1539 01:12:39.279 --> 01:12:42.680 weather itself gets disturbed. And there's a on rex research 1540 01:12:42.720 --> 01:12:47.319 dot com there's an article about David Wells W E. L. L. S. 1541 01:12:47.399 --> 01:12:50.239 David Wells. He's a guy who tried to replicate the 1542 01:12:50.319 --> 01:12:52.760 Newman machine, the Newman free Energy machine, which is like 1543 01:12:53.000 --> 01:12:58.399 a big massive Joseph Newman. So Joseph Newman his free 1544 01:12:58.479 --> 01:13:00.199 energy machine, which is a big coil wire with like 1545 01:13:00.199 --> 01:13:03.079 a rotating magnet on the inside to generate electricity, and 1546 01:13:03.199 --> 01:13:05.680 according to Newman, it generated more power out than in. 1547 01:13:05.760 --> 01:13:09.439 And he almost got it, got it patented, but basically 1548 01:13:09.560 --> 01:13:11.479 people working for the men in Black, you know, men 1549 01:13:11.520 --> 01:13:14.000 in black and quotes, shut it down and they denied 1550 01:13:14.039 --> 01:13:17.720 him the patterns. I think, yeah, yeah so, But but 1551 01:13:17.760 --> 01:13:20.760 the thing is with with his device. David Wells tried 1552 01:13:20.760 --> 01:13:22.520 to replicate it, but he did it differently, with like 1553 01:13:22.600 --> 01:13:24.880 rotating magnets in like a different kind of oil situation. 1554 01:13:25.359 --> 01:13:27.000 He found that his machine when he turned it on, 1555 01:13:27.479 --> 01:13:29.960 it cut a hole like like a like a not 1556 01:13:30.000 --> 01:13:32.920 a hole, but a but a channel through the cloud 1557 01:13:33.000 --> 01:13:37.000 layer in the sky above. Yeah, consistently, you know it. 1558 01:13:37.199 --> 01:13:38.640 It would open up a hole like wherever the sun 1559 01:13:38.720 --> 01:13:40.800 was and the machine was the path in between what 1560 01:13:41.079 --> 01:13:42.000 a hole would open up. 1561 01:13:42.319 --> 01:13:43.199 He found that that effect. 1562 01:13:43.239 --> 01:13:47.960 He found that water bottles in his refrigerator and beer 1563 01:13:48.079 --> 01:13:50.079 like in the bar across the street, they would burst 1564 01:13:50.119 --> 01:13:55.479 because they would freeze at regular refrigeration temperatures. Now, I myself, 1565 01:13:55.479 --> 01:13:57.920 I did an experiment a couple of years ago where 1566 01:13:57.920 --> 01:14:00.079 I had a rotating aluminum disk and a magnet on it. It 1567 01:14:00.720 --> 01:14:02.479 was for a different experiment, but I was just like 1568 01:14:02.479 --> 01:14:05.840 like testing eddy current effects and like magnetic dragging and 1569 01:14:05.880 --> 01:14:09.600 so on. Well, when I whenever I did that, stuff 1570 01:14:09.600 --> 01:14:12.720 from the refrigerator would undergo some really really weird changes. 1571 01:14:12.960 --> 01:14:15.119 Like water bottles. Water bottles that I put in the 1572 01:14:15.119 --> 01:14:18.279 freezer would not freeze. They would become super cooled, so 1573 01:14:18.279 --> 01:14:20.319 they wouldn't freeze. They would stay liquid even at like 1574 01:14:20.319 --> 01:14:23.319 like like like it was like five degrees above zero, 1575 01:14:23.720 --> 01:14:26.840 you know, fair Knight, Yeah, yeah, and eggs would explode, 1576 01:14:27.079 --> 01:14:30.159 like we would freeze and they're above freezing temperature, but 1577 01:14:30.159 --> 01:14:32.239 they would they would you know, solidify and they would 1578 01:14:32.239 --> 01:14:34.920 crack the shells and just just other weird stuff. So 1579 01:14:35.800 --> 01:14:38.199 there is a kind of energy that affects the ether, 1580 01:14:38.399 --> 01:14:42.359 that alters the I'm guessing intramolecular forces, probably changing the 1581 01:14:42.479 --> 01:14:45.760 very constants of physics themselves, you know, the electric primitivity, 1582 01:14:45.800 --> 01:14:49.039 the magnetic permeability, those things depending on the properties of 1583 01:14:49.039 --> 01:14:51.800 the ether itself. And there are methods of altering the ether, 1584 01:14:52.199 --> 01:14:54.880 and some of those methods happen inadvertently when you try 1585 01:14:54.880 --> 01:14:57.720 to tap energy from the ether. So certain free energy devices, 1586 01:14:57.720 --> 01:15:00.159 they're not just spinning out energy, they're probably also altering 1587 01:15:00.359 --> 01:15:03.640 the local etheric conditions, which then affect the physical consonance 1588 01:15:03.720 --> 01:15:04.279 of physics. 1589 01:15:05.399 --> 01:15:07.439 Yeah, and this is where I wanted to get into 1590 01:15:07.439 --> 01:15:10.079 the next clip from the same mister X interview. So, 1591 01:15:10.439 --> 01:15:11.880 and we're not gonna have time to watch it all, 1592 01:15:11.920 --> 01:15:14.279 so I'll just give you and the viewers kind of 1593 01:15:14.319 --> 01:15:17.159 the framework here is that they talk a lot about 1594 01:15:17.199 --> 01:15:20.680 exotic vacuum objects. Zogic vacuum objects are balls of plasma. 1595 01:15:21.119 --> 01:15:25.359 Ken's shoulders discovered from my research. Specifically, I would say 1596 01:15:25.399 --> 01:15:28.319 Paul SI's is the number one witness. He's now dead, 1597 01:15:28.359 --> 01:15:31.960 died in twenty thirteen. He was an aeronautics engineer. He 1598 01:15:32.119 --> 01:15:35.840 spoke specifically about hypersonic vehicles and crafts, and they use 1599 01:15:35.880 --> 01:15:38.800 a plasma sheath, and this is how they reduce the 1600 01:15:38.920 --> 01:15:41.159 drag in front of them, and actually it has this 1601 01:15:41.720 --> 01:15:45.800 propulsive effect to it as well. I speculate that we 1602 01:15:45.960 --> 01:15:49.239 figured out at some point around when Ken Shoulders was 1603 01:15:49.239 --> 01:15:52.800 doing his research that we don't need a craft for 1604 01:15:52.840 --> 01:15:55.720 a spy plane anymore. We can use a ball of 1605 01:15:55.840 --> 01:15:58.720 energy with some mechanical device in the middle of it 1606 01:15:59.439 --> 01:16:03.359 to get all the same effects that we want from 1607 01:16:03.640 --> 01:16:06.479 our spyplane. But we can get it now in a 1608 01:16:06.560 --> 01:16:10.079 drone and possibly even using how Pudoff's patent, which literally 1609 01:16:10.119 --> 01:16:12.800 says in it that it can communicate through plasma to 1610 01:16:12.920 --> 01:16:17.039 communicate and control the drone. And why is this huge? Well, 1611 01:16:17.760 --> 01:16:22.760 the nature of these plasmas are that they have an 1612 01:16:22.800 --> 01:16:28.079 extremely high charge density, extremely high. They also have a 1613 01:16:28.239 --> 01:16:32.199 natural asymmetry. We were talking about asymmetries and how it 1614 01:16:32.239 --> 01:16:35.359 creates this pressure or with electric field. They have a 1615 01:16:35.439 --> 01:16:38.560 natural asymmetry where electrons are not repelling each other, they're 1616 01:16:38.560 --> 01:16:41.920 not neutralizing within the plasma like you would expect, which 1617 01:16:41.960 --> 01:16:44.359 to me is like basically an unlimited battery. So you've 1618 01:16:44.399 --> 01:16:46.920 got this thing that can produce a huge amount of 1619 01:16:47.000 --> 01:16:52.199 charge relative to its size. It's got these self organizing 1620 01:16:52.840 --> 01:16:58.199 and self sustaining properties, meaning that it forms a torus 1621 01:16:58.319 --> 01:17:04.319 that forms a sphere, and then after that it sustains itself. 1622 01:17:04.920 --> 01:17:08.119 So Ken's Shoulders called them exotic vacuum objects because he 1623 01:17:08.239 --> 01:17:11.399 believed they must be cohering energy from the vacuum in 1624 01:17:11.520 --> 01:17:15.560 order to be sustainable like this. So I bring this 1625 01:17:15.760 --> 01:17:18.079 up because I think that you may have some insights 1626 01:17:18.079 --> 01:17:19.640 into it. I don't know how much you know about 1627 01:17:19.680 --> 01:17:21.479 the plasma stuff. I want you to listen to this 1628 01:17:21.520 --> 01:17:23.800 guy talk about it for a couple of minutes. I 1629 01:17:23.920 --> 01:17:27.359 think that somebody figured out that there's probably several different 1630 01:17:27.359 --> 01:17:30.279 ways to do with microwaves, RF waves or just being 1631 01:17:30.279 --> 01:17:32.640 able to produce some kind of standing wave within the 1632 01:17:32.680 --> 01:17:37.439 plasma that allows it to become coherent where now it 1633 01:17:37.520 --> 01:17:41.760 can just float freely. But also what happens is it 1634 01:17:41.880 --> 01:17:46.319 changes the permittivity of space. The plasma itself being there 1635 01:17:46.479 --> 01:17:50.279 pushes out the zero point energy. So to really bring 1636 01:17:50.319 --> 01:17:52.279 this all around, why does this connect to hal Putoff? 1637 01:17:52.279 --> 01:17:55.319 Because how Putoff was writing the papers explaining these concepts, 1638 01:17:55.720 --> 01:17:57.840 and Ken Schulders wrote a paper and by the way, 1639 01:17:57.880 --> 01:18:00.640 he was partners with hal Putoff. Ken and Shoulders wrote 1640 01:18:00.640 --> 01:18:04.680 a paper called Permittivity Transitions where he says that basically 1641 01:18:04.720 --> 01:18:09.319 he realized in nineteen eighty that from a paper by Bergstrom, 1642 01:18:09.439 --> 01:18:11.840 the paper was from nineteen seventy three, that there really 1643 01:18:11.880 --> 01:18:13.960 is an ether. And then if there really is an 1644 01:18:13.960 --> 01:18:16.159 ether and there really is a medium, now we can 1645 01:18:16.199 --> 01:18:19.000 start playing around with the medium. We can play around 1646 01:18:19.000 --> 01:18:21.920 with the permittivity of free space, which changes the speed 1647 01:18:21.920 --> 01:18:25.680 of light. And I think it's really interesting because based 1648 01:18:25.680 --> 01:18:27.600 on what you were just talking about with time and 1649 01:18:27.960 --> 01:18:31.600 you know, having these collisions that were happening more often, 1650 01:18:32.159 --> 01:18:35.039 like you know, somehow they were manipulating time with these experiments, 1651 01:18:35.079 --> 01:18:39.439 with this energy that they were creating with their electrodes, 1652 01:18:40.159 --> 01:18:43.359 is that this is also, in my opinion, the answer 1653 01:18:43.399 --> 01:18:45.760 to cold fusion and fusion in general. I don't think 1654 01:18:45.800 --> 01:18:48.399 hot fusion is ever gonna work. I think that with 1655 01:18:48.479 --> 01:18:50.560 hot fusion we were like, let's just heat it up 1656 01:18:50.800 --> 01:18:53.000 and then there'll be more collisions because there's more energy. 1657 01:18:53.680 --> 01:18:55.560 But we should have been thinking about in terms of time, 1658 01:18:56.039 --> 01:18:58.199 which is, if we manipulate the rate of time, then 1659 01:18:58.239 --> 01:19:01.079 we're gonna have more collisions and we don't need temperature 1660 01:19:01.119 --> 01:19:03.640 for that at all. It can be cold. This is 1661 01:19:03.640 --> 01:19:06.119 something where sal Pais has been saying on a lot 1662 01:19:06.159 --> 01:19:09.279 of interviews, even going back a year ago. It's all 1663 01:19:09.319 --> 01:19:12.640 about cold plasma. So before we watch this clip, I 1664 01:19:12.640 --> 01:19:14.319 would postulate to you to think about it, and to 1665 01:19:14.359 --> 01:19:17.800 the audience to think about what if we discovered some 1666 01:19:18.119 --> 01:19:23.560 natural phenomenon plasma that has properties that we can't recreate 1667 01:19:23.560 --> 01:19:26.920 with meta materials, at least not now. Maybe a civilization's 1668 01:19:26.960 --> 01:19:28.960 like a thousand years more advanced than us can do it, 1669 01:19:29.359 --> 01:19:31.319 but right now we just don't have the material science 1670 01:19:31.359 --> 01:19:33.800 for it. But we found the workaround, which is that 1671 01:19:33.880 --> 01:19:35.880 we can make this ball of plasma and now we 1672 01:19:35.920 --> 01:19:38.479 can get a lot of the same magical effects that 1673 01:19:38.600 --> 01:19:40.640 normally we would have to be like a thousand years 1674 01:19:40.640 --> 01:19:43.199 more advanced for. This is what the context I want 1675 01:19:43.319 --> 01:19:45.359 you to have when we listen to this, because I 1676 01:19:45.359 --> 01:19:48.159 think this guy worked with Hal Pudoff on the Saffire project, 1677 01:19:48.199 --> 01:19:51.000 and I think the Saffire project was basically a front 1678 01:19:51.439 --> 01:19:54.800 for this EVO plasma research. 1679 01:19:54.920 --> 01:19:56.239 So let's play this clip here. 1680 01:19:58.760 --> 01:20:00.359 It's like two or three perfect sense. 1681 01:20:00.640 --> 01:20:04.960 But now if you have the self organizing plasma and 1682 01:20:05.039 --> 01:20:09.600 it's producing an EVO in this central column, it could 1683 01:20:09.600 --> 01:20:14.399 develop this super conducting double layer which would almost be 1684 01:20:14.600 --> 01:20:17.720 like a layer of electrons that have formed Cooper pairs 1685 01:20:17.720 --> 01:20:21.039 and become super conducting. Now what's so interesting about that is, 1686 01:20:21.520 --> 01:20:23.960 I believe from the research I have done, that it's 1687 01:20:23.960 --> 01:20:26.800 a super conducting state which is highly interactive with the 1688 01:20:26.840 --> 01:20:32.199 vacuum with the zero poin energy field, and basically you 1689 01:20:32.239 --> 01:20:35.479 can create a bubble of what's called magnetic vector potential 1690 01:20:35.640 --> 01:20:38.960 around the craft. Now, this is a very important concept 1691 01:20:39.479 --> 01:20:41.840 I want to get across here about magnetic vector potential. 1692 01:20:42.359 --> 01:20:47.319 See Originally, Maxwell back in the eighteen hundreds produced the 1693 01:20:47.359 --> 01:20:53.560 first theory of electromagnetism of electrodynamics, and in his original theory, 1694 01:20:53.640 --> 01:20:58.000 the primary movers of electromagnetism was the scalar potential and 1695 01:20:58.039 --> 01:21:01.119 the vector potential. And forget the term potential, that's really 1696 01:21:01.159 --> 01:21:03.880 not a good descriptor of this, but the scalar potential. 1697 01:21:03.920 --> 01:21:06.640 Just imagine for a moment that there's a river and 1698 01:21:06.680 --> 01:21:09.159 you're underneath the surface of the of the river. The 1699 01:21:09.199 --> 01:21:12.000 scalar potential would be the pressure of the water all 1700 01:21:12.039 --> 01:21:15.359 around you pushing against your body. That's the scaler or 1701 01:21:15.399 --> 01:21:20.079 the static potential that's always there. The vector potential would 1702 01:21:20.079 --> 01:21:23.119 be the force of the current flowing against your body, 1703 01:21:23.319 --> 01:21:26.720 pushing against you in a specific direction, a specific vector. 1704 01:21:27.199 --> 01:21:30.920 That's the vector potential. The magnetic and electric fields are 1705 01:21:31.119 --> 01:21:35.239 just various manifestations of the scaler in vector potentials. A 1706 01:21:35.279 --> 01:21:39.199 magnetic field is just a curled vector potential, for example. 1707 01:21:39.840 --> 01:21:43.079 And so with the flux liner, you're creating a bubble 1708 01:21:43.119 --> 01:21:44.680 of vector potential around the craft. 1709 01:21:44.880 --> 01:21:45.039 Right. 1710 01:21:45.159 --> 01:21:48.720 Then if you pulse it, because remember the flux liner 1711 01:21:48.840 --> 01:21:51.439 was designed as like a high frequency Tesla core, if 1712 01:21:51.479 --> 01:21:55.720 you pulse it, that creates another gradient in the vector potential, 1713 01:21:55.720 --> 01:21:58.960 which is critical. Also, if you make this bubble asymmetrical 1714 01:21:59.039 --> 01:22:04.079 in shape, that's important. By creating another level of a gradient, also, 1715 01:22:04.159 --> 01:22:06.359 you can even do things. There's a secondary propulsion system 1716 01:22:06.359 --> 01:22:10.119 in the flux liner. Two, which were the dielectric materials. 1717 01:22:10.159 --> 01:22:13.800 At the very base, they were these copper It was 1718 01:22:14.439 --> 01:22:19.079 layers of copper and dielectric. Copper and dielectric this green material. 1719 01:22:19.399 --> 01:22:22.199 And basically what makes perfect sense for this green material, 1720 01:22:22.479 --> 01:22:26.640 the dielectric material would have been dope, very impightenent tightening, 1721 01:22:27.880 --> 01:22:30.439 and it would have had a high K value, which 1722 01:22:30.479 --> 01:22:33.199 would be a high capacity of value. And what's so 1723 01:22:33.239 --> 01:22:37.000 interesting about this is that type of ferroelectric material can 1724 01:22:37.079 --> 01:22:40.920 have a natural nonlinearity about it. So you have all 1725 01:22:41.000 --> 01:22:43.840 these ways of adding an additional gradient, so you have 1726 01:22:43.920 --> 01:22:46.800 the natural property of the EVO to be highly interactive 1727 01:22:46.800 --> 01:22:49.439 with the vector potential. And then you have all these 1728 01:22:49.479 --> 01:22:54.560 extra gradients from being pulsed at high frequency and having 1729 01:22:54.640 --> 01:22:57.680 the shape of the craft and having the properties of 1730 01:22:57.720 --> 01:23:00.520 the dielectric, and it all contributes to having a higher 1731 01:23:00.520 --> 01:23:03.439 pressure on one side, a weaker pressure on the other side, 1732 01:23:03.479 --> 01:23:06.199 and creating a net movement. Because gravity, this is a 1733 01:23:06.279 --> 01:23:09.720 key concept. I want your listeners to grasp gravity, mass 1734 01:23:09.800 --> 01:23:13.600 in in inertia are all electrical phenomena. They are all 1735 01:23:13.760 --> 01:23:16.920 manifestations of the scaler invector potentials. 1736 01:23:17.840 --> 01:23:20.560 So now you see why I wanted you to listen 1737 01:23:20.600 --> 01:23:22.399 to that. Right, you are already dropping a lot of 1738 01:23:22.439 --> 01:23:24.720 those terms of this interview. And I was sitting here like, 1739 01:23:24.760 --> 01:23:26.600 I don't want to spoil what I'm about the place. 1740 01:23:26.840 --> 01:23:27.359 What do you think? 1741 01:23:27.359 --> 01:23:29.319 What do you think it was? Understanding he's a big. 1742 01:23:29.279 --> 01:23:29.680 Thing for you. 1743 01:23:30.560 --> 01:23:32.920 Yeah, yeah, So I've written about those things, and I'm 1744 01:23:32.960 --> 01:23:35.000 sure he's thought about it and researched it himself and 1745 01:23:35.520 --> 01:23:38.119 probably incorporated it into his understanding of how let's say 1746 01:23:38.159 --> 01:23:40.239 the flex liner works. So you know, ka, kudos to 1747 01:23:40.319 --> 01:23:45.039 him for for applying it in such a original and 1748 01:23:45.119 --> 01:23:48.000 creative way, you know, like insightful way. Insightful way because 1749 01:23:48.039 --> 01:23:50.359 because for example, earlier when I talked about the flex 1750 01:23:50.399 --> 01:23:52.560 liner and how the bottom layer was like a Bifield 1751 01:23:52.560 --> 01:23:55.199 brown capacitor kind of a thing, he talks about how 1752 01:23:55.199 --> 01:23:57.479 they had different layers and how they were doped. Okay, now, 1753 01:23:57.520 --> 01:24:00.479 what when what does you mean by doping? Dope means 1754 01:24:00.560 --> 01:24:04.880 you have the different layers have different k's, different dielectric constants, 1755 01:24:05.279 --> 01:24:07.720 and so when you put an electric field through the 1756 01:24:07.760 --> 01:24:10.319 stack of layers, the electric field here is going to 1757 01:24:10.359 --> 01:24:11.760 be different from the one here, different from the one 1758 01:24:11.760 --> 01:24:15.159 There's got a compression in that direction. Okay, it's compression 1759 01:24:15.159 --> 01:24:18.279 in that direction, and that creates a linear well quote 1760 01:24:18.359 --> 01:24:22.159 unquote linear nonlinearity in the electric field. And so when 1761 01:24:22.159 --> 01:24:24.880 you have non linearities in the electric field, you're you're 1762 01:24:24.960 --> 01:24:25.920 generating something new. 1763 01:24:25.960 --> 01:24:26.239 Okay. 1764 01:24:26.359 --> 01:24:29.880 So the same way that a gradient in the voltage 1765 01:24:29.960 --> 01:24:32.520 leads to an electric field, well, a gradient which is 1766 01:24:32.520 --> 01:24:35.640 really a divergence in the electric field leads to X 1767 01:24:36.119 --> 01:24:38.920 to something else, which is probably electro gravitation. You know, 1768 01:24:38.920 --> 01:24:39.760 it's probably what it is. 1769 01:24:40.439 --> 01:24:40.680 Now. 1770 01:24:40.800 --> 01:24:45.600 A lot of these things they are evident within the equations. 1771 01:24:45.680 --> 01:24:48.520 So ultimately a lot of the stuff is in the math. 1772 01:24:49.000 --> 01:24:52.159 So if you can, if you understand the mathematics, then 1773 01:24:52.199 --> 01:24:54.000 you can look at an equation and you can say, okay, 1774 01:24:54.000 --> 01:24:57.239 well that part there corresponds to this physical process, and 1775 01:24:57.279 --> 01:24:58.920 if I want to apply it, this is the sort 1776 01:24:58.960 --> 01:25:00.640 of physical experiment or set up that I have to 1777 01:25:00.680 --> 01:25:02.800 do in order to make it be that way. 1778 01:25:02.960 --> 01:25:03.119 Right. 1779 01:25:03.680 --> 01:25:06.760 So one of the theories that I had in that 1780 01:25:06.840 --> 01:25:09.840 in my paper A brief introduction to scalear physics, is 1781 01:25:09.840 --> 01:25:14.279 that the divergence of the magnetic vector potential, in other words, 1782 01:25:14.319 --> 01:25:17.159 in other words, how much this water flow that he's 1783 01:25:17.199 --> 01:25:19.840 talking about diverges or converges upon a point in a 1784 01:25:19.920 --> 01:25:24.079 radial direction. This expansion or contraction of the ether corresponds 1785 01:25:24.239 --> 01:25:26.960 or is inter related in some way to the gravitational 1786 01:25:27.039 --> 01:25:29.960 potential and therefore also to the rate of time itself. 1787 01:25:30.439 --> 01:25:32.960 So what this means is, if you can control the 1788 01:25:33.039 --> 01:25:36.119 vector potential, which you can do through charge densities and 1789 01:25:36.199 --> 01:25:39.960 through currents and just arranging them in a certain geometric way, 1790 01:25:40.279 --> 01:25:42.960 if you can control that then you can control the 1791 01:25:43.000 --> 01:25:45.960 gravitational potential, and therefore you can control time as well. 1792 01:25:46.159 --> 01:25:48.760 Then it's just a matter of how much charge density 1793 01:25:48.800 --> 01:25:51.840 you can compact into a certain space and how much 1794 01:25:51.840 --> 01:25:54.159 you can make it modulate. And so that's exactly what 1795 01:25:54.239 --> 01:25:57.199 you're talking about with those plasmoids, those stable plasma things, 1796 01:25:57.199 --> 01:26:01.840 where that is nature's own mechanism for compacting as much 1797 01:26:01.920 --> 01:26:04.960 charges as possible into the smallest volume. Okay, that's how 1798 01:26:04.960 --> 01:26:07.439 you get the greatest charge density. And so when you 1799 01:26:07.479 --> 01:26:09.760 have such a high level of charge density and you 1800 01:26:09.880 --> 01:26:14.520 modulate its size, that is a way of generating radial 1801 01:26:15.199 --> 01:26:16.680 longitudinal waves. 1802 01:26:16.920 --> 01:26:21.800 Wow, that's mind blowing to think about, and it makes 1803 01:26:21.840 --> 01:26:24.000 a lot of sense. It's like, I love the thing 1804 01:26:24.039 --> 01:26:26.399 you just said about nature. It's like nature's way of 1805 01:26:26.439 --> 01:26:30.199 fitting the most charge into that region. When I first 1806 01:26:30.560 --> 01:26:34.079 spoke to Salpayis, my first thought was, like I kept 1807 01:26:34.159 --> 01:26:36.800 thinking I was on all on board the meta material 1808 01:26:36.840 --> 01:26:39.159 thing alien, you know, when they figured out somewhere must 1809 01:26:39.199 --> 01:26:41.800 be a meta material. But doesn't it just make so 1810 01:26:41.960 --> 01:26:44.359 much more sense that nature is going to have the 1811 01:26:44.399 --> 01:26:48.760 most efficient mechanism and it's not going to be some 1812 01:26:49.000 --> 01:26:53.159 material that we've got. You know that to me makes 1813 01:26:53.199 --> 01:26:56.439 the most sense out of all of it. And then 1814 01:26:56.439 --> 01:26:59.600 when I heard him talking about these ideas, these cold plasmas, 1815 01:27:00.680 --> 01:27:02.920 and you know, I look back at that make streets 1816 01:27:02.920 --> 01:27:05.479 of and zero videos and I'm just going, Wow, this 1817 01:27:05.560 --> 01:27:09.279 is really the answer, because this is where Sal Sal's 1818 01:27:09.319 --> 01:27:13.720 whole paise effect is that he's saying that to your point, 1819 01:27:13.800 --> 01:27:15.600 what is what is the amount of energy you can 1820 01:27:15.640 --> 01:27:18.279 fit electromagnetic flux you can fit within a region of 1821 01:27:18.319 --> 01:27:21.279 space time? Sal's thing is that the most is the 1822 01:27:21.279 --> 01:27:24.159 Swinger limit. Is that once you hit the Swinger limit 1823 01:27:24.239 --> 01:27:28.279 Julian Schwinger Nobel Prize winner nineteen sixty five, when you 1824 01:27:28.359 --> 01:27:31.800 hit that level of energy density, you're breaking through the 1825 01:27:31.800 --> 01:27:35.039 fabric of reality. You could argue you're like looking at 1826 01:27:35.079 --> 01:27:39.279 the true nothingness at that point. You're looking down through 1827 01:27:39.399 --> 01:27:41.960 whatever the ether is. You're looking at it at that point. 1828 01:27:44.359 --> 01:27:47.199 So yeah, I think that. And then this also speaks 1829 01:27:47.239 --> 01:27:49.880 to the idea of these evos. What they're doing then 1830 01:27:49.960 --> 01:27:53.039 is they're changing the permittivity of space time in that region. 1831 01:27:53.119 --> 01:27:55.880 That's going to manipulate the speed of light in that region. 1832 01:27:56.600 --> 01:27:59.760 And now it's you know, now, what do you have? 1833 01:27:59.840 --> 01:28:04.439 You have a ball of energy floating around. And the 1834 01:28:04.479 --> 01:28:06.319 other thing that I realized, I'm curious you get your 1835 01:28:06.359 --> 01:28:09.119 thoughts on all of this, is that one of the 1836 01:28:09.159 --> 01:28:11.680 biggest scientific things that I found was something called the 1837 01:28:11.760 --> 01:28:14.800 dynamic Kasmir effect. You hear people talk about the Kasimir 1838 01:28:14.840 --> 01:28:18.640 effect all the time in this topic, and why because 1839 01:28:18.680 --> 01:28:20.600 it proves zero point energy is real for the people 1840 01:28:20.640 --> 01:28:23.239 out there going well, is zero point energy even real? Yes, 1841 01:28:23.319 --> 01:28:26.920 the Lamb shift proves it's real, Kasimir effect proves it's real, 1842 01:28:27.159 --> 01:28:30.319 Aaron off Bom effect proves it's real. All these things 1843 01:28:30.520 --> 01:28:33.199 prove there's something there. Why does science ignore them? 1844 01:28:33.239 --> 01:28:33.680 I don't know. 1845 01:28:33.800 --> 01:28:35.720 I don't really care at the end of the day. 1846 01:28:38.000 --> 01:28:41.640 But this energy level, if we can break through this, 1847 01:28:41.760 --> 01:28:44.800 then we can create these types of effects that we've 1848 01:28:44.840 --> 01:28:49.119 been writing about in physics, which is like wormholes, you know, portals, 1849 01:28:49.199 --> 01:28:53.199 things like that. They require these huge amounts of energy 1850 01:28:53.319 --> 01:28:57.039 to pull off. So what is your thoughts and you 1851 01:28:57.079 --> 01:28:59.279 have any other background thoughts or anything I haven't brought 1852 01:28:59.359 --> 01:29:03.560 up about evos in general, And oh sorry, I forgot 1853 01:29:03.600 --> 01:29:04.880 The other thing I was gonna say about the dynamic 1854 01:29:04.920 --> 01:29:08.199 Asmir effect is that they think the dynamic Casmir effect. 1855 01:29:08.319 --> 01:29:12.039 They being physicists, they think the dynamic asm effect happens 1856 01:29:12.039 --> 01:29:15.079 at the event horizon of black holes. Is that that's 1857 01:29:15.159 --> 01:29:19.720 one of the astrological locations cosmological locations where we see 1858 01:29:19.760 --> 01:29:22.279 the dynamic asm effect happen. If you read about the 1859 01:29:22.319 --> 01:29:26.000 dynamic Asmir effect, it basically says that the Shwinger effect 1860 01:29:26.079 --> 01:29:31.079 is happening. Is that these virtual particle pairs that are 1861 01:29:31.079 --> 01:29:34.920 constantly popping in and out of existence, they get captured 1862 01:29:35.399 --> 01:29:40.319 from the Swinger effect and what happens they become real photons. 1863 01:29:40.439 --> 01:29:43.760 Photon is just light. So to me, if you add 1864 01:29:43.760 --> 01:29:46.760 this up and you say, huh, if we're creating like 1865 01:29:46.800 --> 01:29:49.800 a black hole or a little permittivity change in a 1866 01:29:49.840 --> 01:29:53.359 region of space, and we've got our plasma here, then 1867 01:29:53.399 --> 01:29:56.520 it's gonna be glowing because it's gonna be something inside 1868 01:29:56.520 --> 01:29:59.800 there is pulling photons out of the ether, if it's 1869 01:29:59.840 --> 01:30:02.439 real interacting with the ether, like Ken Shoulders would say, 1870 01:30:02.600 --> 01:30:05.039 what is your thoughts on any and all of that? 1871 01:30:05.399 --> 01:30:08.359 Yeah, So the zero point energy field, the way that 1872 01:30:08.399 --> 01:30:10.640 some physicists understand it is that you have these virtual 1873 01:30:10.680 --> 01:30:14.600 particles a virtual including virtual photons that pop in and 1874 01:30:14.640 --> 01:30:16.680 out of existence, and they do it within a time 1875 01:30:16.720 --> 01:30:20.279 span that is allowed by the Heisenberg uncertainty principle. Right, 1876 01:30:20.279 --> 01:30:22.479 so there's a very very small window of time where 1877 01:30:22.479 --> 01:30:24.119 things can pop in and pop out, but it's enough 1878 01:30:24.399 --> 01:30:28.239 to generate a collective effect that leads to zero point 1879 01:30:28.319 --> 01:30:32.079 energy effects. Okay, and I think what you were talking 1880 01:30:32.079 --> 01:30:34.359 about there, what they were talking about, has to do 1881 01:30:34.479 --> 01:30:37.640 with bringing a system right up to that threshold where 1882 01:30:37.840 --> 01:30:40.319 when something tries to pop into existence and a pair 1883 01:30:40.359 --> 01:30:42.760 and an anti pair thing, well, there's a there's a 1884 01:30:42.760 --> 01:30:44.439 sort of like like one is above the threshold and 1885 01:30:44.439 --> 01:30:47.279 one is beneath the threshold. So so therefore you get 1886 01:30:47.279 --> 01:30:50.520 this asymmetric effect. You break the symmetry that normally combines 1887 01:30:50.560 --> 01:30:52.640 them back to zero. So imagine you generate a one 1888 01:30:52.680 --> 01:30:55.079 and a minus one and normally they collapse back to zero. 1889 01:30:55.319 --> 01:30:57.159 Well what if as soon as that one pops out, 1890 01:30:57.640 --> 01:30:59.159 you like throw that into a black hole, and then 1891 01:30:59.159 --> 01:31:00.760 the other one you leave out of the black hole. Well, 1892 01:31:00.840 --> 01:31:02.439 now all of a sudden, you've got this minus one 1893 01:31:02.760 --> 01:31:06.239 out of nowhere without a one to cancel it back out, 1894 01:31:06.279 --> 01:31:08.319 So you get you get something out of nothing. Okay, 1895 01:31:08.399 --> 01:31:10.479 that's sort of what you're talking about there, and I 1896 01:31:10.479 --> 01:31:12.760 mean another way of understanding that would be you are 1897 01:31:12.800 --> 01:31:15.880 biasing the zero point energy field so that you get 1898 01:31:15.880 --> 01:31:18.520 a net, a net fluctuation that comes out. 1899 01:31:18.439 --> 01:31:19.720 Of it, you know, so that's oil. 1900 01:31:19.800 --> 01:31:23.600 Well, right, but you've just tapped into this unlimited supply 1901 01:31:23.640 --> 01:31:27.159 of energy. At that point, you're creating something that's pulling 1902 01:31:27.159 --> 01:31:27.960 the energy out. 1903 01:31:28.159 --> 01:31:28.399 Yeah. 1904 01:31:28.479 --> 01:31:30.880 Yeah, And so that sort of energy then would be 1905 01:31:30.920 --> 01:31:34.079 in the form of either they're not virtual particles anymore, 1906 01:31:34.079 --> 01:31:35.960 they're real particles now, and they could be electrons, you know, 1907 01:31:36.000 --> 01:31:39.119 they could be electrons and also photons, so some sort 1908 01:31:39.159 --> 01:31:41.039 of radiation. It could be light, could be gamma rays, 1909 01:31:41.199 --> 01:31:44.039 X rays, whatever. And actually, interestingly enough, a lot of 1910 01:31:44.079 --> 01:31:49.000 these supposed UFOs they do generate these energy fields. They 1911 01:31:49.039 --> 01:31:52.399 generate particles like electric fields around them in addition to 1912 01:31:52.840 --> 01:31:55.199 glowing in a plasmatic sort of way and people getting 1913 01:31:55.359 --> 01:31:57.600 ultraviolet radiation burns and when they get a little bit too 1914 01:31:57.640 --> 01:32:00.680 close to them. So they're generating very very intense energy fields. 1915 01:32:00.680 --> 01:32:04.279 And perhaps perhaps they are creating a shell around themselves 1916 01:32:04.279 --> 01:32:06.119 that's almost like an event horizon for all we know. 1917 01:32:06.279 --> 01:32:08.279 Maybe that's what they're doing, you know, But but no, 1918 01:32:08.319 --> 01:32:10.560 doubt that a lot of these ships, they do use 1919 01:32:11.239 --> 01:32:14.319 plasmas to do a lot of what they do. So 1920 01:32:14.319 --> 01:32:16.119 so imagine if you if you do have a metal 1921 01:32:16.239 --> 01:32:19.039 vehicle and the skin of it, you can electrify in 1922 01:32:19.079 --> 01:32:22.279 such a way that you create a plasmoid around yourself, 1923 01:32:22.479 --> 01:32:25.039 so you're encased in a plasmai You're like you're like 1924 01:32:25.079 --> 01:32:27.800 a flying ball lightning basically, So you can imagine where 1925 01:32:27.800 --> 01:32:29.600 you can do it that you can you can nullify inertia, 1926 01:32:29.600 --> 01:32:31.920 you can alter gravity, you can probably alter the rate 1927 01:32:31.920 --> 01:32:35.520 of time. And actually, funny enough, Stefan Merinov and the 1928 01:32:35.560 --> 01:32:39.359 Magvid Magavid device, you know which I think, I think, 1929 01:32:39.439 --> 01:32:40.600 I think I linked that to you once. 1930 01:32:40.720 --> 01:32:42.760 Yeah, yeah, so. 1931 01:32:42.520 --> 01:32:46.319 So the Magavid device, this was device that Stefan Maronov. 1932 01:32:46.439 --> 01:32:50.600 He's a Bulgarian physicist who died under very mysterious circumstances. 1933 01:32:50.600 --> 01:32:52.760 But that was the final device that you built before 1934 01:32:53.119 --> 01:32:55.880 he was killed. And the official story is that he 1935 01:32:56.319 --> 01:32:59.680 committed suicide by jumping off a university building, but in 1936 01:32:59.720 --> 01:33:02.239 true when he landed, one of the people that found 1937 01:33:02.279 --> 01:33:06.159 him found that there was this weird, green, glowing fluid 1938 01:33:06.279 --> 01:33:09.600 leaking out the back of his fractured skull almost almost 1939 01:33:09.600 --> 01:33:11.439 like a like like radiator fluid from a car, like 1940 01:33:11.479 --> 01:33:12.239 a coolant or something. 1941 01:33:13.640 --> 01:33:15.560 Well no, no, no, the theory. The theory is that 1942 01:33:15.560 --> 01:33:15.920 that he was. 1943 01:33:15.920 --> 01:33:17.960 Probably mind controlled, like objective with some sort of thing 1944 01:33:17.960 --> 01:33:20.359 and it made to jump up. Yeah but see, but 1945 01:33:20.439 --> 01:33:24.119 see he was fully conscious and he probably would have recovered, 1946 01:33:24.119 --> 01:33:28.239 but an ambulance showed up, mysterious ambulance and took him away, 1947 01:33:28.239 --> 01:33:30.279 and he died on the way to the hospital. And 1948 01:33:30.319 --> 01:33:32.720 I think they tried to trace where that ambulance came from, 1949 01:33:32.760 --> 01:33:36.039 and it wasn't an official ambulance. So yeah, so something 1950 01:33:36.079 --> 01:33:39.159 went on there, you know. But anyway, so this MAGVID 1951 01:33:39.399 --> 01:33:43.840 device it stands for a magnetic vortex and looked. 1952 01:33:43.600 --> 01:33:47.279 Into this actually yeah, yeah, yeah, because you sent me 1953 01:33:47.319 --> 01:33:50.560 this what I can't remember, there's something relevant. 1954 01:33:50.199 --> 01:33:52.279 To this, this mag love uh. 1955 01:33:53.760 --> 01:33:56.399 But yeah, I looked into it and I thought it 1956 01:33:56.439 --> 01:34:01.000 looked very plausible and just not to change the subject, 1957 01:34:01.039 --> 01:34:04.159 we can talk more about that. But something I was 1958 01:34:04.279 --> 01:34:07.479 just looking at yesterday actually was I decided to pull 1959 01:34:07.560 --> 01:34:12.359 up sALS uh. Here it is sorry Sal's patent for 1960 01:34:12.520 --> 01:34:17.399 Inertial Craft using Inertial Mass Reduction Advice. And one thing 1961 01:34:17.439 --> 01:34:19.840 you noticed. How do I make this go over somewhere else? 1962 01:34:20.439 --> 01:34:22.640 Let me try to pop this out there? We go, 1963 01:34:22.720 --> 01:34:25.680 Oh hold on, let me switch, let me switch my 1964 01:34:25.720 --> 01:34:32.640 share screen here this craft, sal says, there's a cavity here, 1965 01:34:33.399 --> 01:34:36.239 This triangle craft is using a cavity that has Xenon 1966 01:34:36.399 --> 01:34:39.399 gas or another noble gas in it, which I believe 1967 01:34:39.800 --> 01:34:45.800 is an insulator. And I guess what I'm getting at 1968 01:34:45.920 --> 01:34:49.760 here is that could this outside be this plasma field 1969 01:34:49.800 --> 01:34:52.920 that's being generated, and could the energy be using this 1970 01:34:53.039 --> 01:34:57.039 cavity here to create the cold plasma on the outside. 1971 01:34:58.239 --> 01:35:00.600 I don't looking at this image of looks like what 1972 01:35:00.680 --> 01:35:02.199 he's trying to represent on this image. 1973 01:35:02.520 --> 01:35:02.720 Yeah. 1974 01:35:02.760 --> 01:35:04.560 Yeah, well man, it's been it's been a while since 1975 01:35:04.560 --> 01:35:06.239 I read that patent, so I can't remember, but I 1976 01:35:06.239 --> 01:35:07.680 mean it does look like it. And I know that 1977 01:35:07.720 --> 01:35:10.520 he does incorporate plasma into some of his some of 1978 01:35:10.560 --> 01:35:12.880 his technologies. So and you have to if you want 1979 01:35:12.880 --> 01:35:15.680 really high charge densities, Yeah, you have to use plasmas. 1980 01:35:15.680 --> 01:35:17.119 It's just as mentioned, it's. 1981 01:35:16.880 --> 01:35:19.720 Nature's way, nature's way of doing it most efficiently. 1982 01:35:19.840 --> 01:35:24.159 So yeah, yeah, so yeah, I think that my opinion 1983 01:35:24.359 --> 01:35:26.159 is this and now this is kind of what you know. 1984 01:35:26.239 --> 01:35:28.239 I want to get your last thoughts on this here 1985 01:35:28.319 --> 01:35:31.359 may ask one or two more questions, but what if 1986 01:35:31.359 --> 01:35:33.880 what is your thoughts on this hypothesis that I've I 1987 01:35:33.880 --> 01:35:35.840 don't think I've stolen this in from anybody else, but 1988 01:35:35.920 --> 01:35:39.359 maybe other people had the same thought. What if any 1989 01:35:39.399 --> 01:35:42.840 civilization kind of figures out that plasma is the secret 1990 01:35:42.920 --> 01:35:44.920 They all figure out that we can't get the energy 1991 01:35:44.960 --> 01:35:48.239 densities we need without plasma, and so that that would 1992 01:35:48.279 --> 01:35:52.079 mean that plasma is kind of like discovering fire, you know, 1993 01:35:52.600 --> 01:35:56.800 like you first you start rubbing sticks together and you realize, oh, 1994 01:35:56.800 --> 01:35:58.640 we can make fire happen. Look at that, and then 1995 01:35:58.720 --> 01:36:00.000 do we still rub sticks together? 1996 01:36:00.159 --> 01:36:00.479 I don't. 1997 01:36:00.720 --> 01:36:02.600 I was making a fire earlier today and I just 1998 01:36:02.720 --> 01:36:05.960 used my lighter right and I start the fire up. 1999 01:36:06.680 --> 01:36:08.840 And we don't really ask why fire works the way 2000 01:36:08.840 --> 01:36:10.840 that it does, or who figured it out? Whatever, We 2001 01:36:10.920 --> 01:36:13.720 just say it exists, it's a property of nature that happens. 2002 01:36:13.760 --> 01:36:15.279 And then you know, you could get into the long 2003 01:36:15.680 --> 01:36:18.319 complicated explanation for how and why it's working. 2004 01:36:18.920 --> 01:36:20.560 But what if plasma's like that? 2005 01:36:21.079 --> 01:36:24.520 And what if then now the hurdle to achieving this 2006 01:36:24.680 --> 01:36:29.520 magical technology is just discovering a property of nature. It's 2007 01:36:29.560 --> 01:36:34.399 not even a matter of achieving some level of material 2008 01:36:34.520 --> 01:36:38.920 science or understanding what is your thoughts on that theory? 2009 01:36:38.960 --> 01:36:40.439 And I think the reason why I like it is 2010 01:36:40.479 --> 01:36:41.960 going back to what you said at the beginning when 2011 01:36:41.960 --> 01:36:43.079 I asked you what you think the nature of the 2012 01:36:43.159 --> 01:36:46.000 UFO phenomenon is, is that it opens the door to everything. 2013 01:36:46.199 --> 01:36:47.880 Is that it could be partially us. We could have 2014 01:36:47.880 --> 01:36:49.439 figured some of this out. We could have figured it 2015 01:36:49.439 --> 01:36:51.439 out from aliens. We could have figured it out from 2016 01:36:51.880 --> 01:36:53.479 digging something up. We could have figured it out on 2017 01:36:53.520 --> 01:36:55.800 our own. It also opens the door to some of 2018 01:36:55.800 --> 01:36:57.760 this stuff flying around being us, but some of it 2019 01:36:57.800 --> 01:37:01.640 also being aliens using a similar foundation of technology, all 2020 01:37:01.680 --> 01:37:03.119 based on plasma. What do you think? 2021 01:37:03.600 --> 01:37:07.880 Yeah, I think plasma is quite foundational now for us 2022 01:37:08.520 --> 01:37:13.800 as humans with our budget, our labs, our garages, our basements. Plasma, 2023 01:37:13.840 --> 01:37:16.840 I think is the way to go to get those 2024 01:37:16.920 --> 01:37:19.159 charge densities that we need to have very strong effects. 2025 01:37:19.359 --> 01:37:21.119 And in case people are wondering, like why is it 2026 01:37:21.199 --> 01:37:23.560 that charge densities have any effect on anything? While it's 2027 01:37:23.560 --> 01:37:26.680 because charge itself electric charges, they seem to have a 2028 01:37:26.720 --> 01:37:29.800 grip on the ether. And so that's why when you 2029 01:37:29.840 --> 01:37:32.880 send a current down a wire, it drags a little 2030 01:37:32.880 --> 01:37:34.840 bit of ether with it, and so you've get this 2031 01:37:34.920 --> 01:37:38.680 vector potential flowing alongside the outside of the wire because 2032 01:37:38.720 --> 01:37:41.880 it's being dragged along by the charge. And so when 2033 01:37:41.880 --> 01:37:45.359 you take charges and you compress them together, if you 2034 01:37:45.399 --> 01:37:48.000 compress charges together and in emotion like this, then what 2035 01:37:48.000 --> 01:37:50.159 you're doing is you're also compressing the ether. So you're 2036 01:37:50.199 --> 01:37:54.039 modulating the ether by modulating charge density. And the greater 2037 01:37:54.159 --> 01:37:56.560 the charge density, the stronger you grip on the ether, 2038 01:37:56.680 --> 01:37:59.000 and the more you effect the zero point energy field 2039 01:37:59.159 --> 01:38:00.880 and so on. So that's why ar are so important 2040 01:38:00.960 --> 01:38:04.039 is because they literally grab the ether the alter time, 2041 01:38:04.239 --> 01:38:06.640 like the Bifield Brown effect. Okay, the Bifield Brown effect. 2042 01:38:06.760 --> 01:38:09.239 You just have a capacitor, a high voltage capacitor, so 2043 01:38:09.319 --> 01:38:11.479 once charge super high you know, negative, and the other 2044 01:38:11.520 --> 01:38:13.800 one either is at ground or super high negative voltage. 2045 01:38:14.199 --> 01:38:17.079 And just with that alone you get a propulsive force 2046 01:38:17.399 --> 01:38:19.960 because you're altering the ether in an asymmetric way, so 2047 01:38:20.000 --> 01:38:22.199 the ether wants to flow, you know, to rebalance it. 2048 01:38:22.239 --> 01:38:25.680 And so therefore you get this motion. And so the 2049 01:38:25.680 --> 01:38:27.119 reason why I bring that up is because yeah, I 2050 01:38:27.119 --> 01:38:29.199 think plasma is the most efficient way to do it, 2051 01:38:29.239 --> 01:38:32.399 because that's how nature does it, ball lightning the sun. 2052 01:38:32.720 --> 01:38:35.079 You know, I'm actually fire itself as a plasma. Funny enough, 2053 01:38:35.920 --> 01:38:38.039 but but yeah, I mean you can use plasmas to 2054 01:38:38.039 --> 01:38:40.640 do things that you can't with let's say, copper conductors, 2055 01:38:40.680 --> 01:38:42.960 because a copper conductor you can only put so much 2056 01:38:43.039 --> 01:38:45.600 energy into it before the copper melts, you know, before 2057 01:38:45.600 --> 01:38:47.520 the wire heats up and it melts. So you can't 2058 01:38:47.600 --> 01:38:50.680 use the copper wire to do these super high powerful things. 2059 01:38:50.680 --> 01:38:52.680 But if you use a plasma, which is nothing but 2060 01:38:52.920 --> 01:38:56.039 charges nothing but ions and electrons, then there's nothing there 2061 01:38:56.079 --> 01:38:57.880 to melt, you know, so you can keep on pumping 2062 01:38:58.279 --> 01:39:01.039 energy into it until you reach the Shwinger limit or 2063 01:39:01.039 --> 01:39:03.000 whatever sort of limit you're talking about, and then you 2064 01:39:03.000 --> 01:39:07.239 start get getting really really weird effects. But one of 2065 01:39:07.279 --> 01:39:09.720 the important things I forgot to mention earlier is that 2066 01:39:09.720 --> 01:39:12.119 there are really two ways of getting these exotic effects. 2067 01:39:12.600 --> 01:39:15.640 One is to cram just as much mass and energy 2068 01:39:15.680 --> 01:39:17.560 and motion or whatever into a certain volume of space, 2069 01:39:17.600 --> 01:39:19.600 and you end up curving space and time. You end 2070 01:39:19.680 --> 01:39:22.159 up curving the ether. And that's what general relativity would 2071 01:39:22.199 --> 01:39:24.800 recommend and I think that's what sal pia is is 2072 01:39:24.960 --> 01:39:26.560 is that's what he's going for. He's going for like 2073 01:39:26.600 --> 01:39:29.439 extreme energy densities to warp space and time. 2074 01:39:29.960 --> 01:39:30.439 But there is. 2075 01:39:30.359 --> 01:39:33.680 Another way, and the other way is to first you 2076 01:39:33.760 --> 01:39:37.720 alter the actual physical constants of space itself, you know, 2077 01:39:37.800 --> 01:39:40.840 the primitivity, the index of refraction of the ether. And 2078 01:39:40.920 --> 01:39:43.119 if you alter those, then you don't need as much 2079 01:39:43.239 --> 01:39:46.039 energy in order to get those effects. And that's something 2080 01:39:46.079 --> 01:39:49.520 that funny enough, Jack Strafai, you know, like that's the 2081 01:39:49.520 --> 01:39:51.239 thing that we talked about last time with the Schmuck factor. 2082 01:39:51.800 --> 01:39:56.760 So that thing that is the variable that controls how 2083 01:39:56.840 --> 01:39:59.399 much energy you need to warp a certain amount of 2084 01:39:59.399 --> 01:40:01.840 space and time. And so if you can alter that 2085 01:40:01.920 --> 01:40:05.479 first using scalear physics principles, you buy altering the density 2086 01:40:05.479 --> 01:40:07.960 of the ether. If you can do that first, then 2087 01:40:08.520 --> 01:40:11.600 the ether becomes more fluid, more appliable, softer, and you 2088 01:40:11.600 --> 01:40:13.960 don't need as much energy per volume space in order 2089 01:40:13.960 --> 01:40:17.079 to open portals or ultra time or anything like that. 2090 01:40:17.159 --> 01:40:20.520 So that's why I think that some of these ships, 2091 01:40:20.520 --> 01:40:24.239 whether they are shadow military or alien stuff, some of 2092 01:40:24.239 --> 01:40:26.880 them probably are using a method of softening up to 2093 01:40:26.920 --> 01:40:29.079 ether first before they apply the energy. So therefore they 2094 01:40:29.119 --> 01:40:32.119 don't have to have the energy equivalent of a massive 2095 01:40:32.159 --> 01:40:34.239 star in order to open a portal. You know, maybe 2096 01:40:34.279 --> 01:40:36.319 they don't need that, Maybe they just need a tiny 2097 01:40:36.359 --> 01:40:39.920 fraction of that. But in correspondence to that, they also 2098 01:40:40.000 --> 01:40:43.359 softened up the ether in a massive, massive way. Through that, 2099 01:40:43.359 --> 01:40:44.760 the combination, you're all connected. 2100 01:40:44.920 --> 01:40:47.279 Honestly, I think that I think that all these ideas 2101 01:40:47.279 --> 01:40:49.399 and concepts are connected in a way where once we 2102 01:40:49.439 --> 01:40:52.399 start seeing it experimentally publicly, it's going to start to 2103 01:40:52.399 --> 01:40:54.199 make a lot of sense. I think that we can 2104 01:40:54.239 --> 01:40:57.039 reduce the energy requirements. I think we can amplify energy 2105 01:40:57.119 --> 01:40:59.279 as well, and I think we can pull free energy 2106 01:40:59.319 --> 01:41:00.920 out of the through all of above. 2107 01:41:01.399 --> 01:41:02.159 And I think we're going. 2108 01:41:02.119 --> 01:41:04.520 To find that, Yeah, there's a relationship between them all. 2109 01:41:05.239 --> 01:41:08.359 Tom Bearden, you know, he would talk about tickling, tickling 2110 01:41:08.439 --> 01:41:11.199 the ether with the you know a little bit of energy, 2111 01:41:11.239 --> 01:41:12.680 and that's kind of what he's talking about, is he's 2112 01:41:12.680 --> 01:41:15.199 like saying that find the way to interact with the 2113 01:41:15.199 --> 01:41:17.720 ether in a way that uses the least amount of energy. 2114 01:41:17.880 --> 01:41:20.760 And I think that Ken Shoulders maybe has either discovered 2115 01:41:20.760 --> 01:41:22.840 that or discovered one way to do that. 2116 01:41:23.600 --> 01:41:24.560 With plasmas. 2117 01:41:25.359 --> 01:41:28.439 And I love what you mentioned about the electricity. I 2118 01:41:28.439 --> 01:41:30.279 want to go back to that for a second because 2119 01:41:30.319 --> 01:41:33.600 I always mentioned this Veritassium video. He's my favorite physicist 2120 01:41:33.600 --> 01:41:37.520 out there. Veritassium on YouTube does this video, I think 2121 01:41:37.560 --> 01:41:39.479 it was like a year or two ago about electricity 2122 01:41:39.520 --> 01:41:43.880 doesn't flow through wires and he finds that, yes, there's 2123 01:41:44.439 --> 01:41:47.600 electricity is flowing through fields. You could say it's flowing 2124 01:41:47.640 --> 01:41:50.199 through the ether, you know, from one point to the other, 2125 01:41:50.279 --> 01:41:52.880 but it's not technically flowing through the wires. The wires 2126 01:41:52.880 --> 01:41:55.079 are just kind of acting as conduits for a lack 2127 01:41:55.119 --> 01:41:56.319 of a better term, yep. 2128 01:41:58.039 --> 01:41:59.880 And why is this so huge? 2129 01:42:00.079 --> 01:42:04.520 Because of what you just said about the electricity electrons, 2130 01:42:04.560 --> 01:42:07.119 they are connecting to the ether. They are coupling to 2131 01:42:07.239 --> 01:42:09.640 the ether. So now if you think about it from 2132 01:42:09.640 --> 01:42:12.960 that perspective, this perspective, electricity is coupled to the ether. 2133 01:42:14.199 --> 01:42:16.800 And then you can look back at how Pudoff's paper 2134 01:42:16.880 --> 01:42:21.600 specifically is polarizable vacuum or metric space time metric engineering. 2135 01:42:21.960 --> 01:42:25.000 What he's talking about is basically like taking Microsoft paint 2136 01:42:25.199 --> 01:42:28.159 and doing a little cutout of a region, you know, 2137 01:42:28.199 --> 01:42:29.920 make a bubble, or you can be any shape you 2138 01:42:29.920 --> 01:42:32.960 potentially want, but like just roughly, let's say a bubble, 2139 01:42:33.600 --> 01:42:35.840 and now you create like an eddy current, and Eddie 2140 01:42:35.880 --> 01:42:38.399 current is just like a different an area of space 2141 01:42:38.439 --> 01:42:42.079 where you have a current difference, maybe a superconducting barrier, 2142 01:42:42.920 --> 01:42:45.199 and now you've got a bubble. You've got a bubble 2143 01:42:45.239 --> 01:42:49.880 in space time, all created and produced by electricity, by 2144 01:42:49.920 --> 01:42:52.880 electric charge. And I think that's what Ken shoulders. I 2145 01:42:52.880 --> 01:42:55.720 think this is where Ken's shoulders and how Putoff's ideas 2146 01:42:55.760 --> 01:42:58.399 overlapped and why they were partners with one another because 2147 01:42:58.439 --> 01:43:00.840 they both understood that space is an empty and there's 2148 01:43:00.840 --> 01:43:03.079 this ether and they were both kind of like how 2149 01:43:03.159 --> 01:43:06.399 Putoff was going the or sorry, Ken shoulder is going 2150 01:43:06.439 --> 01:43:08.680 to the plasma route, going like you know, this is 2151 01:43:08.680 --> 01:43:11.239 how we can create it, and then how Putoff was 2152 01:43:11.520 --> 01:43:14.439 kind of explaining it in the concepts. I personally think 2153 01:43:14.439 --> 01:43:17.600 he got sucked into the black world as well. And 2154 01:43:17.800 --> 01:43:19.560 I think he's a lot smarter than he lets on 2155 01:43:19.600 --> 01:43:21.960 as well. He knew's a very smart guy. I think 2156 01:43:21.960 --> 01:43:26.640 he knows way more stuff. So I guess thoughts on 2157 01:43:26.960 --> 01:43:29.439 that and energy not flowing through the wires and what 2158 01:43:29.479 --> 01:43:32.840 that means for how you manipulate space time. 2159 01:43:33.279 --> 01:43:34.920 It's an important thing. It's something I wanted to bring 2160 01:43:35.000 --> 01:43:36.800 up for sure, So it's good that we got to 2161 01:43:36.800 --> 01:43:39.800 this point. So in that very toasium video, yeah, I 2162 01:43:39.840 --> 01:43:41.880 did talk about how energy is not flowing through the wire, 2163 01:43:41.960 --> 01:43:44.560 is actually flowing in the space around the wire. And 2164 01:43:44.600 --> 01:43:47.600 the quantity that they refer to is the pointing vector 2165 01:43:47.720 --> 01:43:51.279 Poy and t ing, And the pointing vector is equal 2166 01:43:51.319 --> 01:43:55.199 to the electric field crossed with the magnetic field. So 2167 01:43:55.279 --> 01:43:57.399 he cross B, he cross B. So if you got 2168 01:43:57.439 --> 01:43:59.800 electric field this way, magnetic field this way, then the 2169 01:43:59.840 --> 01:44:02.159 pointing vector, well, is you this way or that way? 2170 01:44:02.159 --> 01:44:02.439 After you? 2171 01:44:02.760 --> 01:44:05.159 I didn't keep track of my directions, but it's perpendicular 2172 01:44:05.199 --> 01:44:05.800 to both of them. 2173 01:44:05.760 --> 01:44:09.720 Right, So but see what he's saying, is it flows 2174 01:44:09.760 --> 01:44:12.479 like how energy flows with a photon, Because in a photon, 2175 01:44:12.880 --> 01:44:14.720 you have the electric field in one direction, you got 2176 01:44:14.760 --> 01:44:18.199 the magnetic field perpendicular to that, and then you have 2177 01:44:18.199 --> 01:44:21.079 the direction of motion perpendicular to both of those. And 2178 01:44:21.119 --> 01:44:22.880 that's what the pointing vector is, is the direction of 2179 01:44:23.000 --> 01:44:28.079 energy flow that flows electro magnetically. And as you and 2180 01:44:28.119 --> 01:44:30.439 I have been discussing this entire time, there's more things 2181 01:44:30.439 --> 01:44:32.880 than just transverse electromagnetic waves. 2182 01:44:33.039 --> 01:44:33.840 There are other. 2183 01:44:33.720 --> 01:44:37.880 Forms of you could say waves or ripples in the ether. Okay, 2184 01:44:38.239 --> 01:44:40.960 so think about it this way. The pointing vector, if 2185 01:44:41.000 --> 01:44:43.760 that is E cross B words right angles to be, 2186 01:44:44.680 --> 01:44:47.880 then how do you make this this this transverse electromagnetic 2187 01:44:47.920 --> 01:44:50.560 flow zero. There's different ways to do it. One, you 2188 01:44:50.560 --> 01:44:52.359 can have the E and the B be in the 2189 01:44:52.399 --> 01:44:55.039 same direction. Right, They're not perpendicular to each other, so 2190 01:44:55.079 --> 01:44:57.039 the perpendicular component is actually zero. 2191 01:44:58.279 --> 01:44:58.439 Right. 2192 01:44:58.479 --> 01:44:59.680 So if you have the E and the B in 2193 01:44:59.680 --> 01:45:02.399 the same direction, then you don't get a pointing vector 2194 01:45:02.439 --> 01:45:04.800 and you don't get loss of energy. And that is 2195 01:45:04.880 --> 01:45:07.319 what that that nineteen ninety two Air Force paper that 2196 01:45:07.359 --> 01:45:09.279 you've been citing it out. 2197 01:45:09.800 --> 01:45:11.159 Yeah, yeah, yeah, by by. 2198 01:45:11.119 --> 01:45:15.239 Jack Champions in there that the electric and magnetic fields 2199 01:45:15.239 --> 01:45:17.880 are parallel another. And I kept reading that and I 2200 01:45:17.880 --> 01:45:20.039 wanted to talk to you about it because I was like, wait, 2201 01:45:20.119 --> 01:45:22.640 is he saying I couldn't understand exactly. I could tell 2202 01:45:22.960 --> 01:45:24.159 it was profound. 2203 01:45:24.359 --> 01:45:25.159 Yeah, But so what. 2204 01:45:25.039 --> 01:45:28.079 You're saying there is that you've creating a situation where 2205 01:45:28.279 --> 01:45:31.720 the you've canceled out, you've created a scaler potential. 2206 01:45:31.840 --> 01:45:33.479 Is that how would you even interpret that. 2207 01:45:33.439 --> 01:45:36.800 You've created a situation where you don't get radiation in 2208 01:45:37.039 --> 01:45:38.760 a typical way. So, in other words, if you have 2209 01:45:38.840 --> 01:45:41.880 this ball of plasmoid stuff, it's not going to be 2210 01:45:41.960 --> 01:45:44.359 leaking energy outward and like fizzling out to nothing. It's 2211 01:45:44.359 --> 01:45:45.960 going to be self sustaining, at least for a period 2212 01:45:46.000 --> 01:45:47.840 of time. And that's what ball lightning is. Ball lightning 2213 01:45:47.880 --> 01:45:49.560 perier is and it goes around for a while and 2214 01:45:49.640 --> 01:45:51.880 eventually it fizzles out, you know, when it destabilizes. But 2215 01:45:51.920 --> 01:45:54.640 from that period of time, all these charges are compacted 2216 01:45:54.680 --> 01:45:56.520 together and they're not dissipating. 2217 01:45:56.920 --> 01:45:57.560 Right. Wow. 2218 01:45:57.640 --> 01:46:00.880 So that's one situation where you're canceled out the pointing 2219 01:46:00.960 --> 01:46:03.159 vector by making E and B parallel so that there 2220 01:46:03.199 --> 01:46:05.600 is no cross, there's no perpendicular component, right. So that's 2221 01:46:05.600 --> 01:46:07.760 one way to do it. The other way to do 2222 01:46:07.800 --> 01:46:12.079 it is to make the magnetic field zero but leave 2223 01:46:12.079 --> 01:46:14.600 the electric field. So if you have the electric field 2224 01:46:14.640 --> 01:46:17.319 but no magnetic field, even even if the electric field 2225 01:46:17.359 --> 01:46:19.560 is oscillating, if you cancel out the magnetic field, then 2226 01:46:19.600 --> 01:46:23.279 it's e cross zero that is equal to zero. That's 2227 01:46:23.319 --> 01:46:25.680 also a situation where the pointing field and you know 2228 01:46:25.680 --> 01:46:26.119 what that is. 2229 01:46:26.600 --> 01:46:27.239 You know what that is. 2230 01:46:27.560 --> 01:46:30.239 That is Ken Shoulders e v Oh, that is what 2231 01:46:30.279 --> 01:46:33.119 it is. Because in his paper won his book ev 2232 01:46:33.239 --> 01:46:35.720 a Tale of Discovery and that book that that last. 2233 01:46:35.520 --> 01:46:36.800 Chapter you called it a book. 2234 01:46:36.800 --> 01:46:39.199 I call it like memoirs. But that's that's an amazing 2235 01:46:39.279 --> 01:46:39.920 read for people. 2236 01:46:39.960 --> 01:46:43.079 Oh yeah, that's a good one. I I love it. 2237 01:46:43.800 --> 01:46:45.640 I mean because man, that book, you can you can 2238 01:46:45.640 --> 01:46:47.920 tell his passion, you can tell that he understands what. 2239 01:46:47.800 --> 01:46:49.359 He's talking about. You know, he's he's in it. It's 2240 01:46:49.399 --> 01:46:51.039 not like some some some accade. 2241 01:46:51.840 --> 01:46:53.520 That's where he says that he learned that the ether 2242 01:46:53.680 --> 01:46:56.119 was real in nineteen eighty and he talks openly about 2243 01:46:56.119 --> 01:46:59.479 his relationship with how pudoph and Bill Church was the 2244 01:46:59.520 --> 01:47:02.079 owner of or just chicken at the time. Like that 2245 01:47:02.119 --> 01:47:04.039 needs to be made into a movie anyway, Please keep going. 2246 01:47:04.079 --> 01:47:05.239 Yeah, all right. 2247 01:47:05.279 --> 01:47:07.800 So in that paper, near the end, he talks about 2248 01:47:07.800 --> 01:47:10.319 his theory about what these evos are and what he 2249 01:47:10.319 --> 01:47:12.119 thinks they are is they he thinks that they are 2250 01:47:12.159 --> 01:47:16.079 monopole oscillations of electric charge densities. So it's a long 2251 01:47:16.119 --> 01:47:19.000 it's a long phrase, but what really means is a 2252 01:47:19.079 --> 01:47:23.720 spherical oscillating density of charge, right, so in other words, 2253 01:47:23.720 --> 01:47:27.359 the electric field is pointing outwards in a radial direction, 2254 01:47:27.479 --> 01:47:30.039 and it's increasing and decreasing, increasing and decreasing because the 2255 01:47:30.119 --> 01:47:33.239 charges are moving. It's actually it's actually generating a vector 2256 01:47:33.239 --> 01:47:36.119 potential and a radial symmetrical way. That's what it's doing. 2257 01:47:36.159 --> 01:47:36.359 Okay. 2258 01:47:36.359 --> 01:47:40.760 It's generating as spherical longitudinal waves into the ether. Okay, 2259 01:47:41.720 --> 01:47:44.600 Except what makes it stable is that it's oscillating in 2260 01:47:44.600 --> 01:47:47.119 such a way that it is in resonance with the 2261 01:47:47.159 --> 01:47:51.760 ether itself. Okay, So because it's resonating at a frequency 2262 01:47:51.800 --> 01:47:55.640 that is in resonance with the ether, any sort of 2263 01:47:55.720 --> 01:47:58.359 longitude energy that does go out gets reflected back. 2264 01:47:58.199 --> 01:47:58.600 So it's in. 2265 01:47:58.680 --> 01:48:00.680 You know, it's like as if you and I and 2266 01:48:00.720 --> 01:48:02.159 a bunch of people were in a mosh pit and 2267 01:48:02.159 --> 01:48:03.920 we're all like pushing out against each other. Normally we 2268 01:48:03.960 --> 01:48:06.439 would disperse, but if there's a crowd around us that 2269 01:48:06.520 --> 01:48:08.760 is pushing back in time with us, then then we 2270 01:48:08.840 --> 01:48:10.359 just kind of stay together as as a group in 2271 01:48:10.399 --> 01:48:12.279 the center of the mashpit. So that's how it is. 2272 01:48:12.319 --> 01:48:14.479 You know, these electrons are trying to push apart, but 2273 01:48:14.479 --> 01:48:16.880 then the ether pushes it back, and there's this oscillation 2274 01:48:16.960 --> 01:48:19.000 going on, and so that's what he's talking about. He's 2275 01:48:19.000 --> 01:48:21.920 talking about these radial charge oscillations. That that's his version 2276 01:48:21.960 --> 01:48:25.800 of the plasmoid. Whereas the Jack and the Champion paper 2277 01:48:26.840 --> 01:48:28.960 that's slightly different that that's where you'd got the E 2278 01:48:29.159 --> 01:48:31.479 and the B non zero, but they're in parallel so 2279 01:48:31.520 --> 01:48:35.800 you get this like solenoidal you know, troidal spherical shape, right, 2280 01:48:36.279 --> 01:48:40.720 and that's it's similar, but it's different from from Ken's 2281 01:48:40.680 --> 01:48:43.680 shoulders stuff. But it's it's to what to our eyes, 2282 01:48:43.720 --> 01:48:45.880 both of them will look like plasmoids. It's just one 2283 01:48:45.880 --> 01:48:47.840 it's like a like a torus, and the other one 2284 01:48:47.960 --> 01:48:50.960 is you know, radiating like like like this, like it's 2285 01:48:50.960 --> 01:48:53.640 not radiating, but it's moving like that. But yeah, but 2286 01:48:53.640 --> 01:48:56.079 but both of them, the pointing vectors are zero because 2287 01:48:56.159 --> 01:48:58.119 there is no E cross B and that's non zero. 2288 01:48:58.279 --> 01:49:00.079 Interestingly enough, so so which. 2289 01:49:00.000 --> 01:49:02.640 One is the one that's compressing decompressing Ken shoulders or Jack? 2290 01:49:02.800 --> 01:49:02.960 Yeah? 2291 01:49:03.000 --> 01:49:05.000 Yeah, yeah, Ki Ken shoulders. So when he talks about 2292 01:49:05.000 --> 01:49:06.920 monopoles at the end of his paper, he's talking about 2293 01:49:06.960 --> 01:49:09.000 electric monopoles, not magnetic monopoles. 2294 01:49:09.000 --> 01:49:12.279 He's just talking about I've been interpreting it wrong. This 2295 01:49:12.399 --> 01:49:16.439 whole time. I mean fundamentally the same concept. But yeah, wow, 2296 01:49:17.039 --> 01:49:20.039 yeah wow, that is mind blowing man, that you brought 2297 01:49:20.039 --> 01:49:23.520 that up. Thank you for thank you for talking about that. Yeah, 2298 01:49:23.680 --> 01:49:26.520 And that's the thing where then the Champion paper goes 2299 01:49:26.520 --> 01:49:29.520 and takes it a step further and from the Champions 2300 01:49:29.520 --> 01:49:32.840 approach says, well, if you create this vortex just like 2301 01:49:33.239 --> 01:49:36.159 a whirlpool where you're pulling the tub the water or 2302 01:49:36.199 --> 01:49:41.359 the tub, then it can stabilize the the field and 2303 01:49:41.560 --> 01:49:46.479 therefore becomes stable. And I also wonder do you think 2304 01:49:46.600 --> 01:49:49.039 that there might be a requirement or like, do you 2305 01:49:49.119 --> 01:49:51.079 think there has to be modulated in such a way 2306 01:49:51.079 --> 01:49:54.079 where it has to be in some kind of equilibrium 2307 01:49:54.119 --> 01:49:57.159 with the atmosphere as well, Like does it have to 2308 01:49:57.199 --> 01:50:00.279 be like the same temperature as the background atmosphe or 2309 01:50:00.319 --> 01:50:03.119 close that that kind of gets alluded to, and then 2310 01:50:03.119 --> 01:50:05.399 the champ Can paper and it was an interesting thought 2311 01:50:05.399 --> 01:50:07.439 that I'd never considered. I just assume that if you 2312 01:50:07.439 --> 01:50:11.439 can make a bubble, then it's completely separated for everything else. 2313 01:50:11.840 --> 01:50:14.680 But what if there is some criteria where it needs 2314 01:50:14.680 --> 01:50:17.760 to be within a certain threshold of the outside environment 2315 01:50:17.760 --> 01:50:21.039 in order for it to stay stable. Otherwise it'll become. 2316 01:50:22.000 --> 01:50:22.439 Yeah, I think. 2317 01:50:23.720 --> 01:50:27.960 I think the environmental conditions, whether it's pressure, the I mean, 2318 01:50:28.000 --> 01:50:30.039 even the types of gases that are in the air, 2319 01:50:30.119 --> 01:50:32.359 if if any, if there's any sort of particle exchange 2320 01:50:32.399 --> 01:50:34.640 with the plasmoid, because I think about it, you can 2321 01:50:34.680 --> 01:50:37.560 make a plasmoid probably in a field of pure hydrogen, 2322 01:50:37.720 --> 01:50:39.399 or you can make another one and pure to feel 2323 01:50:39.439 --> 01:50:41.560 of pure like argon or something. Right, So if you 2324 01:50:41.600 --> 01:50:43.640 make one within atmosphere, it's going to be made of 2325 01:50:43.680 --> 01:50:47.079 hydrogen or I mean nitrogen, carbon dioxide, and all these 2326 01:50:47.119 --> 01:50:48.800 other things that separate and some on like a little 2327 01:50:48.800 --> 01:50:51.279 bit of water vapor. So yeah, I mean, the plasmoid 2328 01:50:51.319 --> 01:50:54.119 would definitely be made of the stuff of the gas 2329 01:50:54.159 --> 01:50:56.439 that it forms within, and so therefore it would have 2330 01:50:56.479 --> 01:50:59.399 an interaction with the environment, not only with the physical environment, 2331 01:50:59.399 --> 01:51:03.239 but probably also of the gravitational environment and the etheric environment. 2332 01:51:03.319 --> 01:51:07.159 Like if the physical constant of electric primitivity were different, 2333 01:51:07.319 --> 01:51:09.479 the speed of light were different, then maybe it would 2334 01:51:09.520 --> 01:51:11.600 be a bigger plasmoid instead of a smaller one and 2335 01:51:11.640 --> 01:51:14.199 more compact one or vice versa. Right, So the environmental 2336 01:51:14.199 --> 01:51:17.319 conditions ultimately end up determining the size of the plasmoid. 2337 01:51:17.760 --> 01:51:20.760 Probably its color, probably what frequency it's oscillating at. All 2338 01:51:20.800 --> 01:51:23.800 these things, you know, kind of converge together and think 2339 01:51:23.800 --> 01:51:27.199 about this. What if what if the electron itself is 2340 01:51:27.239 --> 01:51:30.520 a plasmoid in the ether, And what if what if 2341 01:51:30.560 --> 01:51:34.000 electric charge and the mass of the electron. What if 2342 01:51:34.239 --> 01:51:37.520 those things only appear because those are the environmental conditions 2343 01:51:37.880 --> 01:51:39.840 that it exists within. What if what if the very 2344 01:51:39.840 --> 01:51:43.239 properties of the ether are would give the electron it's 2345 01:51:43.239 --> 01:51:45.399 suppose the charge. I think that's probably what's going on. 2346 01:51:46.039 --> 01:51:48.640 Oh, I totally agree with you, and you really helped 2347 01:51:48.640 --> 01:51:54.199 me to conceptualize these balls of plasma. So then in 2348 01:51:54.279 --> 01:51:57.279 terms of do you think they can be created then 2349 01:51:57.319 --> 01:52:00.000 through anything? And do you think they could like it? 2350 01:52:00.319 --> 01:52:02.479 You know, I've wondered because I keep thinking of the 2351 01:52:02.560 --> 01:52:06.920 m AH three seven zero videos and they closely match 2352 01:52:07.000 --> 01:52:11.720 what you were describing with Ken's shoulders, the oscillation that's 2353 01:52:11.760 --> 01:52:14.640 going on there. I think that if those videos are real, 2354 01:52:14.680 --> 01:52:19.000 then those orbs are pulling the electrons directly from the atmosphere, 2355 01:52:19.079 --> 01:52:21.680 like I don't think they're in a glass container of 2356 01:52:21.920 --> 01:52:25.880 argon or some other gas or whatever it is. And 2357 01:52:26.520 --> 01:52:28.159 one of the papers I read it, I don't remember 2358 01:52:28.159 --> 01:52:29.760 which well, maybe it was in a Champion, maybe it 2359 01:52:29.800 --> 01:52:31.159 was one of the others. They said that it can 2360 01:52:31.239 --> 01:52:34.920 be it can be tuned to any frequency, meaning that 2361 01:52:35.039 --> 01:52:37.760 it can be any color of light that they can emit, 2362 01:52:38.359 --> 01:52:41.479 and they might even be able to be invisible. So 2363 01:52:42.000 --> 01:52:44.279 do you think that they could be invisible? Does that 2364 01:52:44.520 --> 01:52:45.319 make sense to you? 2365 01:52:45.760 --> 01:52:45.960 Yeah? 2366 01:52:46.039 --> 01:52:49.000 Yeah, because so within plasmas, when you try to create 2367 01:52:49.039 --> 01:52:51.760 a plasma in a lab, one of the easiest ways 2368 01:52:51.760 --> 01:52:54.159 to do that is you good like like an evacuated chamber, 2369 01:52:54.279 --> 01:52:56.199 like like a vacuum tube or something. You got two 2370 01:52:56.199 --> 01:52:58.479 electrodes in there, right, so one's ground once a cathode, 2371 01:52:58.479 --> 01:53:01.520 one's aode, and you pump certain level of current into it, 2372 01:53:01.560 --> 01:53:04.359 certain level voltage, and it ionizes the remaining gases that 2373 01:53:04.359 --> 01:53:07.479 are in there, right, And so as you increase the current, 2374 01:53:07.600 --> 01:53:09.760 you get this curve. It's it's a curve that's common 2375 01:53:09.800 --> 01:53:13.000 to all such plasmas, and at the very beginning of it, 2376 01:53:13.039 --> 01:53:17.079 there's a kind of dark plasma. It's called the Townsend regime. 2377 01:53:17.279 --> 01:53:20.960 It's within that regime that that particular phase of plasma 2378 01:53:21.000 --> 01:53:23.720 where you don't get any light emission, so it's dark, 2379 01:53:23.800 --> 01:53:26.600 but it is still a plasma. There's actual plasmatic processes 2380 01:53:26.640 --> 01:53:29.800 going on there in there, but it's invisible optically invisible 2381 01:53:29.840 --> 01:53:33.039 because it's not emitting necessarily any light. So if you 2382 01:53:33.119 --> 01:53:36.000 have these orbs, right, so, if their technology is advanced enough, 2383 01:53:36.479 --> 01:53:39.199 they could create these plasmoid orbs that are within that 2384 01:53:39.279 --> 01:53:42.079 particular regime or something like it where it's not emitting 2385 01:53:42.159 --> 01:53:45.079 light but it is invisible. And I think Ken Shoulders, 2386 01:53:45.119 --> 01:53:47.199 didn't you talk about dark evos as well? 2387 01:53:47.279 --> 01:53:50.000 Yeah, people are probably watching this right now screaming the 2388 01:53:50.159 --> 01:53:54.520 chat dark evos because yeah, and also the Safire project 2389 01:53:55.000 --> 01:53:57.560 they had a mode where it was completely dark. The 2390 01:53:57.560 --> 01:54:00.920 plasma was on, there was voltage given to it, but 2391 01:54:00.960 --> 01:54:04.239 it was just black, not emitting any light whatsoever. 2392 01:54:04.800 --> 01:54:05.000 Yep. 2393 01:54:05.119 --> 01:54:05.600 Interesting. 2394 01:54:06.159 --> 01:54:07.840 Yeah, Now since we're on the topic, let me mention 2395 01:54:07.920 --> 01:54:11.800 something briefly. So within that that that curve of this chasm, 2396 01:54:11.840 --> 01:54:14.880 this plasma curve, if you get up to a certain point, okay, 2397 01:54:14.920 --> 01:54:17.920 so beyond this Townshend regime, beyond this cold plasma regime, 2398 01:54:18.279 --> 01:54:20.920 you get to what's called the normal glow discharge. And 2399 01:54:20.960 --> 01:54:22.560 that's like when you got the electrode like in the 2400 01:54:22.560 --> 01:54:25.159 Sapphire Project videos, you got this electrode, and like little 2401 01:54:25.199 --> 01:54:27.159 glowing dots start appear around it, right, and then they 2402 01:54:27.159 --> 01:54:30.279 start to move a little bit. That's normal glow discharge phase. 2403 01:54:30.600 --> 01:54:32.720 And eventually it gets so bright that the entire thing 2404 01:54:32.760 --> 01:54:35.840 gets covered in like a uniform layer of glow. And 2405 01:54:35.880 --> 01:54:38.880 that's called the abnormal glow discharge phase. Okay, that's a 2406 01:54:39.199 --> 01:54:41.399 higher up in the curve. But then something very interesting 2407 01:54:41.399 --> 01:54:44.439 happens because once you reach that state, you can you 2408 01:54:44.479 --> 01:54:47.359 can turn down the voltage a little bit and it'll 2409 01:54:47.399 --> 01:54:50.640 start retracing that curve and go back to the cold 2410 01:54:50.760 --> 01:54:54.039 plasma state. Really but it's but it's a different kind 2411 01:54:54.119 --> 01:54:56.319 of cold plasma state. It's like it's like a plasma 2412 01:54:56.399 --> 01:54:59.359 has two states to it, like two parallel states to it, 2413 01:54:59.720 --> 01:55:01.840 and when you go up in voltage, you go along 2414 01:55:01.880 --> 01:55:03.720 the bottom one, and then when you trace back you 2415 01:55:03.720 --> 01:55:06.399 actually come back this this other parallel way, where now 2416 01:55:06.479 --> 01:55:08.640 you've got this kind of cold plasma instead of this kind. 2417 01:55:08.640 --> 01:55:11.880 So there's another kind of cold plasma that exists besides 2418 01:55:11.960 --> 01:55:13.880 the one that you first encounter when you first start 2419 01:55:13.920 --> 01:55:17.720 applying voltage. And it's within that other secondary one that's 2420 01:55:17.720 --> 01:55:20.279 where you start getting really weird, really weird. Effects like 2421 01:55:20.359 --> 01:55:24.600 transmutation and probably like cold fusion something like that started 2422 01:55:24.600 --> 01:55:27.720 getting these weird effects because that is a state where 2423 01:55:28.119 --> 01:55:31.520 you have both electrons and ions like protons or whatever. 2424 01:55:31.520 --> 01:55:34.720 It's like hydrogen gas where they are in an equal, 2425 01:55:35.600 --> 01:55:40.039 equally distributed, uniform ad mixture of ions colliding with electrons. 2426 01:55:40.319 --> 01:55:42.560 And there's a paper by Harold Asptin. 2427 01:55:43.439 --> 01:55:43.920 What's this called? 2428 01:55:44.000 --> 01:55:46.279 Let me look it up real quick, Harold ast them. 2429 01:55:46.760 --> 01:55:51.239 It's a paper called Power from Space, the Korea Invention 2430 01:55:51.760 --> 01:55:55.079 cor r EA invention and as he's talking about the 2431 01:55:55.119 --> 01:55:58.159 doctor pop Paolo Korea, who work with free energy systems 2432 01:55:58.279 --> 01:56:02.359 involving plasma. So anyway, in the book, he talks about 2433 01:56:02.359 --> 01:56:05.199 how when you have a heavy ion like a like 2434 01:56:05.239 --> 01:56:07.840 a hydrogen or helium atom or something like that, colliding 2435 01:56:07.920 --> 01:56:11.359 with a light one like electron, that difference in mass 2436 01:56:11.840 --> 01:56:15.840 and both of them having charge, it does something exotic. Okay, 2437 01:56:16.199 --> 01:56:20.199 it does something exotic where it generates free energy somehow. 2438 01:56:20.319 --> 01:56:22.279 You know, you get extra energy out of that interaction. 2439 01:56:22.600 --> 01:56:25.039 That the greater the difference in masses between the heavy 2440 01:56:25.039 --> 01:56:28.399 ion and small electron. Right, So the reason why I 2441 01:56:28.399 --> 01:56:31.960 bring that up is because within that secondary cold plasma 2442 01:56:31.960 --> 01:56:34.159 state that is where you have the maximum number of 2443 01:56:34.159 --> 01:56:38.279 ions interacting with the maximum number of electrons, and the 2444 01:56:38.279 --> 01:56:39.319 more they do that, the. 2445 01:56:39.199 --> 01:56:41.239 More free energy is being generated. 2446 01:56:41.640 --> 01:56:45.039 So within cold plasma, a certain kind of it, you 2447 01:56:45.079 --> 01:56:48.079 do get these exotic free energy and other effects. 2448 01:56:49.840 --> 01:56:52.439 I think that's the biggest thing, and the biggest takeaway 2449 01:56:52.479 --> 01:56:54.640 from the plasma as well, is that you go back to, 2450 01:56:54.840 --> 01:56:56.720 like you just recap in what we've talked with this 2451 01:56:56.760 --> 01:56:59.319 whole thing, is that we've talked about the nature of 2452 01:56:59.359 --> 01:57:03.600 the suppression of the UFO phenomenon, what it could be, 2453 01:57:04.199 --> 01:57:09.079 what the national security issue is the technology, and then 2454 01:57:09.119 --> 01:57:12.039 you go, well, what is this technology to me? All 2455 01:57:12.359 --> 01:57:16.000 signs are pointing towards plasma. Plasma's got these properties that 2456 01:57:16.039 --> 01:57:18.640 we need, and it turns out, like you just mentioned, 2457 01:57:19.000 --> 01:57:22.000 I came to the same conclusion that it's like basically 2458 01:57:22.079 --> 01:57:26.199 an infinite battery. This natural property of this plasma is 2459 01:57:26.399 --> 01:57:29.079 just producing what we would think of as free energy, 2460 01:57:29.079 --> 01:57:31.399 but it's not really free. It goes back to the 2461 01:57:31.479 --> 01:57:34.960 dynamic Casmir effect. You're pulling energy out of the ether 2462 01:57:35.119 --> 01:57:37.760 where we're sending this other particle somewhere else, and this 2463 01:57:37.840 --> 01:57:41.159 gives us a net positive amount of energy in our 2464 01:57:41.199 --> 01:57:45.039 observable reality. Now it's at the cost of something. We 2465 01:57:45.079 --> 01:57:48.279 took energy out of the ether. And this also speaks 2466 01:57:48.319 --> 01:57:50.479 to a lot of these free energy devices they cool 2467 01:57:50.600 --> 01:57:52.399 things down like that. 2468 01:57:52.399 --> 01:57:54.279 There's a serial video that I could. 2469 01:57:54.119 --> 01:57:55.680 Show right now, but I'm not going to have shown 2470 01:57:55.680 --> 01:57:57.840 it someveral times in my stream where they show this 2471 01:57:57.960 --> 01:58:03.119 John Cerel free energy device recreation, and over the five 2472 01:58:03.239 --> 01:58:06.319 or ten minute video, it actually cools down to the 2473 01:58:06.319 --> 01:58:09.520 point where the center magnet has frost on it. It's 2474 01:58:09.520 --> 01:58:12.359 gotten so cold, and they have a thermal thing on 2475 01:58:12.439 --> 01:58:14.479 it as well. So really, the point I'm trying to 2476 01:58:14.479 --> 01:58:16.880 make for people is it's true there is no free lunch. 2477 01:58:17.119 --> 01:58:19.800 So even if you're pulling energy out of this see 2478 01:58:20.079 --> 01:58:23.800 ocean of energy, pulling this energy out, you're pulling energy 2479 01:58:23.840 --> 01:58:26.479 out of that region, which naturally is going to cool 2480 01:58:26.479 --> 01:58:29.520 things down as well. So there's always going to be 2481 01:58:29.560 --> 01:58:33.319 consequences no matter what. Where we can't we can't cheat 2482 01:58:33.359 --> 01:58:35.159 the laws of physics. We can just break them, or 2483 01:58:35.159 --> 01:58:38.119 we can just bend them a little bit. Right, So 2484 01:58:39.119 --> 01:58:41.680 I guess this is probably a good time to close 2485 01:58:41.720 --> 01:58:44.359 it down. We've had a great conversation Tom. We spoke 2486 01:58:44.399 --> 01:58:47.399 about plasma. You gave me some new great insights into 2487 01:58:47.399 --> 01:58:51.079 cold plasmas. We spoke about free energy, gravity manipulation, We 2488 01:58:51.119 --> 01:58:55.800 spoke about aliens, non human intelligence, UFO phenomenon, the UFO hearings, 2489 01:58:55.840 --> 01:58:57.000 how poodoph et cetera. 2490 01:58:57.319 --> 01:58:59.039 Is there anything else you want to mention before we 2491 01:58:59.119 --> 01:58:59.600 close out? 2492 01:59:00.119 --> 01:59:02.359 Yeah, I want to say for you guys that are 2493 01:59:02.359 --> 01:59:05.680 interested in this fringe physics stuff, check out the works 2494 01:59:05.720 --> 01:59:11.840 of David Maker. David Maker, he so David Maker. He's 2495 01:59:11.840 --> 01:59:13.880 a he's a smart guy. And what he did was 2496 01:59:14.000 --> 01:59:19.840 he reverse engineered general relativity. He did to general relativity 2497 01:59:20.119 --> 01:59:23.560 what me and others have done with Maxwell's equations to 2498 01:59:23.600 --> 01:59:26.720 find the hidden avenues that would expand it. And based 2499 01:59:26.760 --> 01:59:31.039 on that expansion of general relativity, he found equations that 2500 01:59:31.479 --> 01:59:35.640 show how rotating charges, especially if they wobble on their axis, 2501 01:59:36.079 --> 01:59:38.600 are able to produce gravitational fields, are able to couple 2502 01:59:38.600 --> 01:59:40.720 to space time and to warp space time in a 2503 01:59:40.800 --> 01:59:43.680 very efficient and effective way. Not only that, but he 2504 01:59:43.720 --> 01:59:46.399 also figured out that it does it especially if you 2505 01:59:46.439 --> 01:59:48.600 bring the voltage up to I think it was either 2506 01:59:48.680 --> 01:59:50.960 five hundred and eleven thousand volts or five hundred and 2507 01:59:50.960 --> 01:59:53.800 twelve thousand volts. But there's a singularity in voltage there 2508 01:59:54.000 --> 01:59:55.840 where if you take this rotating charge system and you 2509 01:59:55.880 --> 01:59:57.239 bring it up to that voltage, as soon as you 2510 01:59:57.319 --> 01:59:59.880 hit that, you get like a massive burst of thrust 2511 02:00:00.880 --> 02:00:03.279 or you know, either increase in weight or decrease in weight. 2512 02:00:03.640 --> 02:00:06.680 So David Maker, I see, is that the one I'm 2513 02:00:06.680 --> 02:00:07.520 trying to see on the screen. 2514 02:00:07.800 --> 02:00:09.600 This is the paper, but this is him for sure. 2515 02:00:09.680 --> 02:00:11.880 I found this last time we spoke, and I I 2516 02:00:11.920 --> 02:00:14.880 started digging into David Maker quite a bit. Actually at 2517 02:00:14.880 --> 02:00:16.920 the time it was well beyond me. But I should 2518 02:00:16.960 --> 02:00:20.520 take another look at it now because he has heard, Like, 2519 02:00:20.640 --> 02:00:22.319 let me just say this real quick, because that I've 2520 02:00:22.960 --> 02:00:25.079 I've talked to engineers behind the scenes that I've never 2521 02:00:25.159 --> 02:00:27.960 spoken about that have brought up David Maker as well, 2522 02:00:28.000 --> 02:00:29.960 which is why I got really interested when you brought 2523 02:00:29.960 --> 02:00:30.239 it up. 2524 02:00:30.319 --> 02:00:33.119 So interesting, okay, yeah, interesting. Yeah. 2525 02:00:33.159 --> 02:00:35.560 He's got like four papers on a research gate. I 2526 02:00:35.600 --> 02:00:38.439 think one of them was co authored with Glenn Robertson, 2527 02:00:38.439 --> 02:00:41.279 who used to work for the team that Amy Eskridge 2528 02:00:42.039 --> 02:00:44.239 was part of it. Really yeah, so there's a connection 2529 02:00:44.359 --> 02:00:46.119 is like, you know, two degrees of separation between Amy 2530 02:00:46.159 --> 02:00:48.079 Eskridge and David Baker, and they probably knew each other 2531 02:00:48.119 --> 02:00:48.760 for all I know. 2532 02:00:49.520 --> 02:00:50.319 Yeah, they probably did. 2533 02:00:50.840 --> 02:00:55.560 But anyway, that science that that he figured out is 2534 02:00:55.720 --> 02:01:00.399 what pot Kletnov is doing is implementing him the lab. Yeah, yeah, 2535 02:01:00.479 --> 02:01:05.159 rotating rotating charges whose axis of rotation wobbles. Okay, So 2536 02:01:05.199 --> 02:01:08.920 if you look up one of plot Klutknov's more recent 2537 02:01:09.000 --> 02:01:12.000 experiments from like like five ten years ago, I'll say 2538 02:01:12.039 --> 02:01:14.119 recent because he goes back to the nineties, right. 2539 02:01:14.119 --> 02:01:15.039 Yeah, yeah, yeah. 2540 02:01:15.079 --> 02:01:17.720 Well it's a video where he's like a vacuum chamber 2541 02:01:17.760 --> 02:01:19.159 and he's got like a metal disc in there, and 2542 02:01:19.199 --> 02:01:21.319 it's on an axis like a motor, and he spins 2543 02:01:21.319 --> 02:01:23.199 it up and there's like a weight that's suspended above it, 2544 02:01:23.399 --> 02:01:26.399 and there's a weight starts wabbling with gravitational pulses due 2545 02:01:26.439 --> 02:01:28.800 to the gravity being generated by this rotating disc. And 2546 02:01:28.840 --> 02:01:32.399 the disc is not superconducting. It has well it takes 2547 02:01:32.439 --> 02:01:35.079 too long to explain, but long story short, it's aluminum disc. 2548 02:01:35.119 --> 02:01:38.319 It's got gold gold rings impregnated into it, and there's 2549 02:01:38.319 --> 02:01:41.720 a builds up very high charge densities at the interface 2550 02:01:41.760 --> 02:01:43.920 between the gold and the aluminum, and it does it naturally. 2551 02:01:44.000 --> 02:01:46.199 Without any additional energy input. And so when you spin 2552 02:01:46.239 --> 02:01:47.760 that around and you make it wobble like that on 2553 02:01:47.760 --> 02:01:50.319 the axis, you get this gravitational impulse. So that's an 2554 02:01:50.359 --> 02:01:51.920 example of him doing that. But but he said is 2555 02:01:52.239 --> 02:01:54.880 he said that that particular method is not very efficient 2556 02:01:55.319 --> 02:01:57.760 and that the most efficient way to do it would 2557 02:01:57.760 --> 02:02:01.239 be through rotating magnetic fields. Just what that magvid that 2558 02:02:01.319 --> 02:02:05.000 Stephen Meronov developed, that's what that is. He's creating extremely 2559 02:02:05.039 --> 02:02:07.760 high frequency rotating magnetic fields that were operating at like 2560 02:02:07.800 --> 02:02:10.800 seventy five megahertz. And there's no way, there's no way 2561 02:02:10.840 --> 02:02:12.800 you can you can build a mechanical physical disc that 2562 02:02:12.880 --> 02:02:15.439 rotates that fast and that's like seventy five million times 2563 02:02:15.479 --> 02:02:15.920 per second. 2564 02:02:15.960 --> 02:02:16.600 You know you can't. 2565 02:02:16.640 --> 02:02:19.159 You can't do that, right, Why the plasma is so big? 2566 02:02:19.199 --> 02:02:22.840 Because the plasma now you have just this nebulous gas 2567 02:02:22.880 --> 02:02:25.439 that can do a move in any direction that you 2568 02:02:25.479 --> 02:02:27.359 need it. Just it makes a lot of sense anyway, keep. 2569 02:02:27.239 --> 02:02:28.159 Going, yeah, yeah. 2570 02:02:28.199 --> 02:02:30.640 So so to finish up the magvid thing, what he 2571 02:02:30.680 --> 02:02:32.960 had was he had two sets of coils, right, So 2572 02:02:32.960 --> 02:02:35.000 one set of coil was like this, another set of 2573 02:02:35.000 --> 02:02:38.479 coils was like this, and each one produced a magnetic field. Okay, 2574 02:02:39.079 --> 02:02:41.960 but each set of coils was pumped in quadrature, meaning 2575 02:02:42.000 --> 02:02:43.760 one was given a sin wave if the only one 2576 02:02:43.800 --> 02:02:45.319 was given a co sine wave. So they're like ninety 2577 02:02:45.319 --> 02:02:47.199 degrees apart in time. And when you do that with 2578 02:02:47.239 --> 02:02:48.680 that sort of setup, but you end up getting you 2579 02:02:48.680 --> 02:02:53.560 get a synthetic rotating magnetic field. And so anything that's 2580 02:02:53.600 --> 02:02:56.920 in that rotating magnetic field, if a response to magnetism magnetism, 2581 02:02:57.319 --> 02:03:00.479 the orbitals or the electron orbitals will align with it. 2582 02:03:00.560 --> 02:03:02.439 So I mean that's how magnets work. You know, when 2583 02:03:02.439 --> 02:03:05.840 you put iron near a magnet, the orbil's print. So 2584 02:03:05.880 --> 02:03:09.319 what happens is because magnetism itself within a magnet or 2585 02:03:09.399 --> 02:03:12.680 iron a fairite because it involves electrons going around in orbit. 2586 02:03:12.840 --> 02:03:16.239 Like that, if you have a rotating magnetic field, you 2587 02:03:16.279 --> 02:03:19.880 have rotating charges that their axis of rotation ends up 2588 02:03:20.840 --> 02:03:24.039 rotating itself at seventy five megaherts in this case, and 2589 02:03:24.079 --> 02:03:26.479 that that that is that is the David Maker thing, 2590 02:03:26.479 --> 02:03:29.479 where you've got rotating charges whose axis is either wobbling 2591 02:03:29.640 --> 02:03:34.279 or rotating entirely, okay, at high voltages. So that's what 2592 02:03:34.359 --> 02:03:36.479 his device was doing. It was actually ionizing the air, 2593 02:03:36.840 --> 02:03:39.600 and then electrons were coming out the top and circulating 2594 02:03:39.600 --> 02:03:41.640 and going around up through the bottom. He was creating 2595 02:03:41.640 --> 02:03:46.800 a plasmoid using rotating magnetic fields. Yeah, and according to rumors, 2596 02:03:46.800 --> 02:03:48.920 for people that knew that saw the device and demonstration, 2597 02:03:49.479 --> 02:03:55.760 it warked time and it produced free energy. So no wonder. Yeah, 2598 02:03:55.960 --> 02:03:58.199 very not that magnet device, So no wonder. He died 2599 02:03:58.239 --> 02:04:00.000 within two weeks after producing something. 2600 02:04:00.119 --> 02:04:02.159 Yeah, And I think we've reached a point now where 2601 02:04:02.279 --> 02:04:03.560 maybe this is what will end on? 2602 02:04:03.760 --> 02:04:04.159 Is that? 2603 02:04:04.600 --> 02:04:08.039 What do you think's changed between that was probably like 2604 02:04:08.079 --> 02:04:11.199 what the seventies or something and now because it seems 2605 02:04:11.239 --> 02:04:13.960 like something has changed from my perspective, because a I'm 2606 02:04:13.960 --> 02:04:17.800 still alive and I've been exposing all this science and technology. 2607 02:04:18.039 --> 02:04:20.439 You are too right, and you might just say, well, 2608 02:04:20.479 --> 02:04:22.760 we're just small fish in a big pond, and you know, 2609 02:04:23.960 --> 02:04:26.199 we're making small ripples, but we're not making big change. 2610 02:04:26.239 --> 02:04:29.079 But it does feel like they're letting some of this 2611 02:04:29.199 --> 02:04:32.079 stuff come out, you know, and some of it, like 2612 02:04:32.159 --> 02:04:34.359 I think we are in agreement. That's the technology that 2613 02:04:34.399 --> 02:04:37.399 they're afraid of coming out. But what is it you 2614 02:04:37.399 --> 02:04:40.159 think change? Do you think that they've just given up 2615 02:04:40.159 --> 02:04:42.239 they've gotten tired of hiding it. Do you think that 2616 02:04:42.760 --> 02:04:45.119 it's going to come out inevitably anyway? Do you think 2617 02:04:45.119 --> 02:04:47.199 there's another explanation? What do you think is going on? 2618 02:04:47.439 --> 02:04:50.039 Yeah, I think there's a timetable that they have towards 2619 02:04:50.159 --> 02:04:53.119 where they want this to come out, because they can. 2620 02:04:53.680 --> 02:04:55.720 So the thing is, if you release it. 2621 02:04:55.880 --> 02:04:59.680 Prematurely, then we would not have been on this geopolitical 2622 02:04:59.760 --> 02:05:01.640 track that we've been on for the past thirty forty 2623 02:05:01.640 --> 02:05:04.359 fifty years. And for some reason, they wanted this to 2624 02:05:04.399 --> 02:05:06.520 happen until a certain point in the future. It could 2625 02:05:06.520 --> 02:05:08.279 be within ten years, it could be within thirty years, 2626 02:05:08.319 --> 02:05:11.000 who knows, But I think I think well, I mean, 2627 02:05:11.000 --> 02:05:14.000 we are reaching various technological singularities, even with AI right 2628 02:05:14.039 --> 02:05:16.239 coming up within the next ten, ten, twenty years, So 2629 02:05:16.279 --> 02:05:19.119 I think they want it to happen during that time 2630 02:05:19.159 --> 02:05:22.039 period and not a moment before. So if someone tries 2631 02:05:22.079 --> 02:05:24.239 to come out with a free energy device before that 2632 02:05:24.279 --> 02:05:26.239 they're ready for it, before they have all the pieces 2633 02:05:26.239 --> 02:05:29.520 in play to exploit it, that's not good for them, 2634 02:05:29.560 --> 02:05:31.479 you know, because then we'd be preempting them. So they're 2635 02:05:31.520 --> 02:05:33.000 going to kill us off if we do it beforehand. 2636 02:05:33.399 --> 02:05:35.840 But still like, right now, you and I we can 2637 02:05:35.880 --> 02:05:38.399 talk about this. We can talk about this, and you've 2638 02:05:38.439 --> 02:05:42.880 known people that probably have working devices, Okay, but it's 2639 02:05:42.960 --> 02:05:44.800 when they have working devices that they're going to release 2640 02:05:44.840 --> 02:05:47.680 to the world that affects things on an economic, political, 2641 02:05:47.760 --> 02:05:52.479 geopolitical level, that's when they get whacked. So we're still 2642 02:05:52.520 --> 02:05:55.239 in the danger zone. But at least we can talk 2643 02:05:55.239 --> 02:05:55.640 about it. 2644 02:05:56.439 --> 02:05:58.279 Yeah, And people ask me like, hey, Ash, and what 2645 02:05:58.319 --> 02:06:00.920 happened with your whole ether tech energy device thing that 2646 02:06:00.920 --> 02:06:02.800 you were doing? And I say, just do you listen 2647 02:06:02.840 --> 02:06:05.039 to what Tom just said right there. It's one thing 2648 02:06:05.119 --> 02:06:07.800 to talk about it conceptually. It's also another thing to 2649 02:06:07.840 --> 02:06:10.439 see it with your own eyes. It's a whole other 2650 02:06:10.520 --> 02:06:14.560 thing to try to get on CNN with it, right. 2651 02:06:14.680 --> 02:06:17.079 And when you start to try to do those types 2652 02:06:17.079 --> 02:06:19.119 of things, that's when you see the full force of 2653 02:06:19.159 --> 02:06:22.880 the suppression. That's when you see the disinformation. People come 2654 02:06:22.960 --> 02:06:26.000 out and say, I mean I actually research this. There's 2655 02:06:26.039 --> 02:06:29.840 several people who literally they basically they are fit PhD 2656 02:06:30.000 --> 02:06:33.199 physicists whose job it is to testify on behalf of 2657 02:06:33.199 --> 02:06:35.760 the government that when people are developing free energy devices 2658 02:06:35.760 --> 02:06:38.600 that they're kooks and cranks, and then it's pseudoscience and. 2659 02:06:38.560 --> 02:06:39.319 All this stuff. 2660 02:06:39.640 --> 02:06:42.560 It's scary to see that stuff, and some people might 2661 02:06:42.560 --> 02:06:43.840 even believe it themselves. 2662 02:06:44.039 --> 02:06:44.880 Oh I'm sure they do. 2663 02:06:45.199 --> 02:06:47.359 Yeah, you know, and that's and that's so it goes 2664 02:06:47.399 --> 02:06:49.479 to show that guys like this isn't a game, Like 2665 02:06:49.520 --> 02:06:53.800 there's something happening at a major level here and these 2666 02:06:53.880 --> 02:06:56.960 this physics is real. Many many, many people have discovered 2667 02:06:56.960 --> 02:07:00.880 it throughout time. We can push as hard as we can, 2668 02:07:00.960 --> 02:07:03.960 but ultimately, I guess the last question for you is, 2669 02:07:04.840 --> 02:07:07.560 so what do we do knowing all this information, knowing 2670 02:07:07.680 --> 02:07:10.239 the history of the suppression on it, Tom, what is 2671 02:07:10.359 --> 02:07:14.600 your view on how we progress? 2672 02:07:14.840 --> 02:07:17.720 I think the best thing would be to use weaponized 2673 02:07:18.520 --> 02:07:22.079 open source crowdsourcing of this information, because then it's not 2674 02:07:22.119 --> 02:07:25.039 just one person, one inventor, who has something. So so 2675 02:07:25.079 --> 02:07:29.640 the tyfficult pattern is an inventor discovers something amazing, they 2676 02:07:30.159 --> 02:07:32.039 think about it. Should I release this to the world. 2677 02:07:32.560 --> 02:07:32.640 No. 2678 02:07:32.760 --> 02:07:35.640 I spent like ten twenty years developing it. I should 2679 02:07:35.640 --> 02:07:37.239 make money off this? Okay, A right, fine, I'm gonna 2680 02:07:37.239 --> 02:07:38.520 make money off this, So therefore I have to keep 2681 02:07:38.520 --> 02:07:41.119 it secret. I have to try to get investors and 2682 02:07:41.239 --> 02:07:43.560 have to start signing deals, and this process takes time, 2683 02:07:44.039 --> 02:07:46.479 and you start signaling to the powers that be that hey, 2684 02:07:46.520 --> 02:07:48.359 I've got something, but I haven't released it to the 2685 02:07:48.399 --> 02:07:50.359 world yet. So if you kill me off now, I 2686 02:07:50.399 --> 02:07:53.479 will never release it. And guess what happens. That's what happens. 2687 02:07:53.560 --> 02:07:57.000 So stan Meyer, he had a technology and he cloaked 2688 02:07:57.039 --> 02:08:01.520 it in a lot of misdirection, you know. And and 2689 02:08:01.560 --> 02:08:03.560 so therefore when he was just about to sign that deal, 2690 02:08:03.600 --> 02:08:05.520 he stood up and he claimed, I've been poisoned, and 2691 02:08:05.560 --> 02:08:08.760 he falls over dead in the parking lot. 2692 02:08:09.479 --> 02:08:11.039 I would say, is that what if? 2693 02:08:11.039 --> 02:08:14.880 Also there's this element of I've seen this pattern where 2694 02:08:15.199 --> 02:08:18.039 when people figure it out, they go, oh, it was 2695 02:08:18.119 --> 02:08:20.560 it was that easy. Oh everybody's going to figure this out. 2696 02:08:20.600 --> 02:08:22.880 Like next year. They think like, oh, everyone's going to 2697 02:08:22.920 --> 02:08:25.680 figure this out. And so they start, you know, doing 2698 02:08:25.680 --> 02:08:28.399 the same things. So you said, they start patenting things, 2699 02:08:28.640 --> 02:08:32.039 they start trying to make investment deals. The thing they 2700 02:08:32.079 --> 02:08:34.159 don't do is they don't start you know, putting it 2701 02:08:34.279 --> 02:08:37.760 on the blockchain or doing a bunch of interviews. Usually 2702 02:08:37.800 --> 02:08:40.800 they they get like that, and then the problem is 2703 02:08:40.800 --> 02:08:43.399 that it doesn't come out. It never comes out. And 2704 02:08:43.439 --> 02:08:45.239 so now we've just got people with these patents and 2705 02:08:45.239 --> 02:08:47.600 then everybody, we've got all these patents out there, they 2706 02:08:47.640 --> 02:08:49.640 claim to be able to do free energy type stuff 2707 02:08:49.640 --> 02:08:51.560 and nobody thinks they're real and what have you. 2708 02:08:52.279 --> 02:08:53.960 Uh So there may be there's an element of that. 2709 02:08:53.920 --> 02:08:58.199 Yeah, yeah, especially especially if the principle is simple, like 2710 02:08:58.239 --> 02:09:00.439 you said, if it's very easy, and then that everyone 2711 02:09:00.479 --> 02:09:02.239 else can figure out. Usually usually what they end up 2712 02:09:02.279 --> 02:09:05.079 doing is they end up releasing something about it because 2713 02:09:05.880 --> 02:09:09.399 people are gonna want to know anyway, but they misdirected 2714 02:09:09.439 --> 02:09:11.920 with a bunch of complicated extras that don't need to 2715 02:09:11.920 --> 02:09:13.199 be part of it, and so. 2716 02:09:14.159 --> 02:09:16.680 Sabotage in there. So somebody tries to copy it or whatever. 2717 02:09:16.760 --> 02:09:19.560 Then yeah, yeah, yeah right, and all of a sudden, 2718 02:09:19.600 --> 02:09:20.239 everyone else is that. 2719 02:09:20.279 --> 02:09:22.359 Everybody's like, oh, I'm going to recreate it, and I failed. 2720 02:09:22.560 --> 02:09:24.520 It's like no, I know, I know, and people try 2721 02:09:24.520 --> 02:09:25.880 to recreate it and like, oh my god, I got 2722 02:09:25.920 --> 02:09:27.479 to buy like a like ten thousand dollars worth of 2723 02:09:27.479 --> 02:09:30.159 materials to create a special magnet recipe or something. I'm 2724 02:09:30.159 --> 02:09:33.399 talking about Floyd Sweet for example. Things like that. You know, 2725 02:09:33.720 --> 02:09:36.720 the principle is probably very simple, but they added all 2726 02:09:36.720 --> 02:09:38.880 this complicated conditions to it, and they say, only if you 2727 02:09:38.920 --> 02:09:40.359 do this and this and this and this this do 2728 02:09:40.399 --> 02:09:42.159 you get the effect. And the people try to replicate it, 2729 02:09:42.159 --> 02:09:44.199 but of course again do everything, and it fails because 2730 02:09:44.239 --> 02:09:47.520 they missed the original simple thing. And then the other 2731 02:09:47.560 --> 02:09:50.840 problem is these inventors they stumble upon something, but they 2732 02:09:50.880 --> 02:09:53.520 don't one hundred percent know why it's doing what it does, 2733 02:09:53.840 --> 02:09:55.319 and so they have to come up with their own 2734 02:09:55.399 --> 02:09:57.880 crazy theory about why it is. And so therefore you've 2735 02:09:57.880 --> 02:10:00.000 got all these different inventors with their own crazy theory 2736 02:10:00.199 --> 02:10:02.199 that all contradict each other about what it is. So 2737 02:10:02.239 --> 02:10:04.359 if you had the unified theory that you could explain 2738 02:10:04.399 --> 02:10:07.439 all of it with one common, correct, true science instead 2739 02:10:07.479 --> 02:10:10.279 of all these little half baked attempts at trying to understand, like, oh, 2740 02:10:10.279 --> 02:10:13.039 there's a little gyroscopic ether particles. We'll call them etherons 2741 02:10:13.079 --> 02:10:15.720 or something, and you know, maybe that's the case, but 2742 02:10:15.760 --> 02:10:17.600 I think most of the time they're just trying to 2743 02:10:17.800 --> 02:10:19.560 grasp at what it could actually be. 2744 02:10:19.600 --> 02:10:20.640 So there's so much misdirection. 2745 02:10:20.880 --> 02:10:23.560 And plus then you've got Charlatan's writing, You've got probably 2746 02:10:23.560 --> 02:10:25.920 like government disinformants in there as well. Trying to lead 2747 02:10:26.000 --> 02:10:29.560 people astray. It's a it's a dangerous mindfield. So like, 2748 02:10:29.640 --> 02:10:32.039 kudos to anyone like you or anyone else who's who's 2749 02:10:32.239 --> 02:10:36.159 trying to really brave the dark, choppy waters and trying 2750 02:10:36.159 --> 02:10:38.680 to figure out what that island of truth actually is. 2751 02:10:39.439 --> 02:10:41.600 Yeah, and I know we've been going for a while. 2752 02:10:41.640 --> 02:10:42.920 I want to I want to wind it down. But 2753 02:10:43.039 --> 02:10:45.840 that reminded me too of you know, I've reached out 2754 02:10:45.840 --> 02:10:48.640 to a lot of physicists here and there about just 2755 02:10:48.760 --> 02:10:51.000 input on what have you. One of them was a 2756 02:10:51.000 --> 02:10:54.800 professor named David Greer from n YU who he several 2757 02:10:54.880 --> 02:10:58.239 years ago, was making the rounds on you know, the 2758 02:10:58.279 --> 02:11:01.760 media for developing this tractor. And it's funny because I 2759 02:11:01.800 --> 02:11:04.279 messaged him about it and he got very defensive over 2760 02:11:04.319 --> 02:11:06.920 the idea that there's no special physics going on, but 2761 02:11:07.000 --> 02:11:08.880 he said it was. He literally it was magic. He 2762 02:11:08.920 --> 02:11:11.199 couldn't explain it. And it goes to the point that 2763 02:11:11.279 --> 02:11:12.880 you just mentioned, which is this idea that like a 2764 02:11:12.920 --> 02:11:16.319 lot of people don't even know how they invented the 2765 02:11:16.319 --> 02:11:18.119 thing they did. I'm like, do you think this could 2766 02:11:18.159 --> 02:11:20.439 be like a negative energy laser that you're doing here? 2767 02:11:20.439 --> 02:11:22.840 Because it has like the same properties. No, no, there's nothing. 2768 02:11:22.960 --> 02:11:26.159 There's nothing exotics, magical, it's just normal energy. And I'm going, yeah, 2769 02:11:26.159 --> 02:11:28.479 I know, it's you know, everything is like there's anything 2770 02:11:28.479 --> 02:11:30.000 that we can see, we have an explanation for it. 2771 02:11:30.079 --> 02:11:33.800 But I just think that that mindset is a good 2772 02:11:34.520 --> 02:11:37.680 analogy to where academia is right now, where it's like, 2773 02:11:37.760 --> 02:11:40.199 we've got these ideas out there, We've spoken about them 2774 02:11:40.239 --> 02:11:43.800 for two hours on this live, on this interview, and 2775 02:11:43.920 --> 02:11:47.640 yet they don't get taken seriously. And we've seen these inventors, 2776 02:11:47.680 --> 02:11:50.720 these papers, some of these guys like Ken Shoulders. This 2777 02:11:50.800 --> 02:11:55.079 guy was developing microelectronics before microelectronics were a thing. He 2778 02:11:55.199 --> 02:11:58.279 was developing drones before drones were a thing. These are 2779 02:11:58.319 --> 02:12:01.920 not lightweight guys, are aren't random cranks in their garage. 2780 02:12:02.119 --> 02:12:07.000 So what would be your message to humanity for the 2781 02:12:07.000 --> 02:12:09.760 people out there wondering when this is going to come out? 2782 02:12:10.039 --> 02:12:12.159 What would you tell them to reassure those people? 2783 02:12:12.840 --> 02:12:15.680 Well, so the question is what I'm about to say 2784 02:12:15.720 --> 02:12:16.680 is a reassuring or not? 2785 02:12:16.760 --> 02:12:17.079 Okay? 2786 02:12:18.119 --> 02:12:20.399 So I so there there's an inventor that I used 2787 02:12:20.399 --> 02:12:23.640 to know, and after he developed a breakthrough and developing 2788 02:12:23.680 --> 02:12:26.399 a water powered engine that actually truly just ran on water, 2789 02:12:26.720 --> 02:12:30.119 no other funny business. Yeah, he was dead within a 2790 02:12:30.159 --> 02:12:32.439 month and a half. I was I was about to 2791 02:12:32.439 --> 02:12:34.439 go visit him to show it, you know, see what 2792 02:12:34.720 --> 02:12:38.039 what he developed, and he died shortly after. But anyway, 2793 02:12:38.760 --> 02:12:40.840 one of the things that he told me is that 2794 02:12:40.880 --> 02:12:42.560 he thinks that one day there will come a time 2795 02:12:43.119 --> 02:12:47.479 where mounting economic and climate and other disasters are going 2796 02:12:47.520 --> 02:12:50.840 to just death by a thousand cuts to these systems. Yeah, 2797 02:12:50.880 --> 02:12:53.920 so the government will not have the resources anymore to 2798 02:12:54.479 --> 02:12:57.720 maintain their grip of control. And at that point you 2799 02:12:57.800 --> 02:13:00.640 will have a flourishing of suppressed vents that can no 2800 02:13:00.680 --> 02:13:04.279 longer be kept down because there's just no longer no 2801 02:13:04.319 --> 02:13:06.720 longer enough band power to keep them suppressed. 2802 02:13:07.359 --> 02:13:09.760 So I think war or to break out, and we 2803 02:13:09.760 --> 02:13:13.159 were to use them in wars out another possibility. 2804 02:13:13.479 --> 02:13:15.000 I would say that it's only it would only be 2805 02:13:15.039 --> 02:13:17.720 used in war if there is no other option, like 2806 02:13:17.760 --> 02:13:20.800 if America, like for example, America's Black Ops programs, if 2807 02:13:20.800 --> 02:13:22.800 they themselves were at risk of being wiped out by 2808 02:13:22.800 --> 02:13:25.239 invading Russians or Aliens or whatever it is, then they 2809 02:13:25.239 --> 02:13:27.079 would pull it out. But up until that point, I 2810 02:13:27.079 --> 02:13:29.920 think they'll I it's a bigger risk to reveal it 2811 02:13:30.000 --> 02:13:32.000 then to keep it secret, you know, so that they'll 2812 02:13:32.039 --> 02:13:33.560 keep it secret until they can't anymore. 2813 02:13:33.640 --> 02:13:36.359 So yeah, but finish your thoughts. Sorry. 2814 02:13:36.720 --> 02:13:38.640 Yeah, But but the thing is we can't really depend on 2815 02:13:38.680 --> 02:13:41.680 them because that'll be their timetable. So I think it's 2816 02:13:41.720 --> 02:13:44.800 up to us to continue doing the research, the experimentation 2817 02:13:44.960 --> 02:13:47.119 to open source it. And the thing is, if you're 2818 02:13:47.159 --> 02:13:51.600 someone who does discover magical principle like anti gravity or 2819 02:13:51.600 --> 02:13:54.239 free energy or something, you're gonna have to make that 2820 02:13:54.399 --> 02:13:56.760 hard choice. Are you going to be like Gallum and 2821 02:13:56.800 --> 02:14:00.319 the Lord of the Rings with your precious or are 2822 02:14:00.399 --> 02:14:04.439 you going to sacrifice yourself for humanity and put it 2823 02:14:04.439 --> 02:14:06.199 out there in a way that can't be suppressed. You know, 2824 02:14:06.319 --> 02:14:08.960 blockchain it whatever, open source it. 2825 02:14:08.960 --> 02:14:10.319 It's really the only way to go. I mean, that's 2826 02:14:10.319 --> 02:14:11.039 the only way to do it. 2827 02:14:12.039 --> 02:14:14.600 I agree, man, And so my approach has been we've 2828 02:14:14.600 --> 02:14:16.960 just got to teach people, We've got to wake people up. 2829 02:14:17.199 --> 02:14:19.239 And that's why I've been doing this podcast, is why 2830 02:14:19.279 --> 02:14:21.119 I wanted to talk to you today, That's why I 2831 02:14:21.159 --> 02:14:24.520 do my live streams, is that this stuff is too 2832 02:14:24.560 --> 02:14:27.039 hard for people to understand unless they have the framework 2833 02:14:27.079 --> 02:14:30.399 to understand it. It was Richard Feynman that spoke about the idea. 2834 02:14:30.479 --> 02:14:32.760 He was asked about what is magnetism, and he said, well, 2835 02:14:33.239 --> 02:14:36.199 unless you understand the principles, then it doesn't make any 2836 02:14:36.239 --> 02:14:39.159 sense to even try to explain magnetism to somebody. And 2837 02:14:39.239 --> 02:14:40.960 I think that's true of a lot of this physics 2838 02:14:40.960 --> 02:14:43.279 is unless you understand that there's an ether, there's no 2839 02:14:43.319 --> 02:14:46.119 point talking about free energy because you can't understand how 2840 02:14:46.159 --> 02:14:49.000 it's possible. Yeah, so, Tom, I want to thank you 2841 02:14:49.079 --> 02:14:52.359 very much. It's been an awesome conversation. Go ahead, shout 2842 02:14:52.399 --> 02:14:55.159 out any of anyone you want, any of your content 2843 02:14:55.159 --> 02:14:56.880 that you want. Let people know where they can find you. 2844 02:14:57.439 --> 02:14:59.399 Yeah, well you can find We had mon talk do 2845 02:14:59.399 --> 02:15:02.800 on net alka dot net and of course on Twitter 2846 02:15:02.800 --> 02:15:04.479 and x as well. Like I've my I've got a 2847 02:15:04.479 --> 02:15:08.159 YouTube channel at YouTube slash dot com slash tommon talk 2848 02:15:08.920 --> 02:15:13.680 and uh yeah, I'm also the guy behind scalerphysics dot com. 2849 02:15:13.720 --> 02:15:16.199 So if you go to scalerphysics dot com and you 2850 02:15:16.279 --> 02:15:19.680 click on resources, there's like a list of various papers. 2851 02:15:19.680 --> 02:15:21.720 It's not complete. I mean, you yourself a featured stuff 2852 02:15:21.760 --> 02:15:24.039 on your channels. That's like beyond what I've included there, 2853 02:15:24.079 --> 02:15:26.600 so I'll have to update my list. But scalerphysics dot 2854 02:15:26.640 --> 02:15:28.520 com you can go there. You can read my paper 2855 02:15:28.680 --> 02:15:31.840 brief Introduction to Scaler Physics that mister X has a 2856 02:15:32.159 --> 02:15:36.119 you know that he blotted and if he's listening, you know, 2857 02:15:36.239 --> 02:15:39.760 hey man, hopefully we get to talk sometime. Hopefully you 2858 02:15:39.800 --> 02:15:42.319 get to talk to Ashen. Yeah, we do a three 2859 02:15:42.359 --> 02:15:42.880 way conversation. 2860 02:15:43.119 --> 02:15:43.439 Be great. 2861 02:15:43.520 --> 02:15:45.399 So yeah, thank you Tom, I love it. This is 2862 02:15:45.439 --> 02:15:47.840 another episode of hard Trews. Everybody, Thank you all. 2863 02:15:47.960 --> 02:15:49.479 Have a great day everyone, Peace,