Speaker 1: Welcome everybody to another episode of the Hard Trews Podcast
Speaker 1: with Ashton Forbes. Today, I have a very special guest.
Speaker 2: His name is Tom Montalk. Tom Montalk is.
Speaker 1: An expert at scaler physics. He is an an electrical
Speaker 1: engineer and a physicist. He has written several books. We
Speaker 1: spoke a year ago, had a mind blowing conversation about
Speaker 1: scaler physics. Now I want to bring Tom Montalk back
Speaker 1: on to talk more about plasma, UFOs, aliens and scaler physics. Tom,
Speaker 1: Welcome back to the show.
Speaker 3: Brother, Hey Ashen, good to be back.
Speaker 2: Thanks. Well, let's just jump right into this, Okay.
Speaker 1: I know some people are familiar with your background, other
Speaker 1: people are not familiar with it. Just give us a
Speaker 1: quick recap of what you've been studying for the last
Speaker 1: fifteen or twenty years related to physics, engineering, UFO phenomenon.
Speaker 3: Okay.
Speaker 4: Yeah, So as a child, I had various paranormal experiences
Speaker 4: in Germany, stuff that nowadays you could call it potentially extraterrestrial.
Speaker 4: But I've also had various kinds of supernatural entergy encounters
Speaker 4: as well, besides that new non physical stuff. But anyway,
Speaker 4: some when else thirteen, I decided to really started digging
Speaker 4: into what could be going on with that, So I
Speaker 4: read all the UFO, all the metaphysics, all the physics
Speaker 4: books at my local library, and then a couple years
Speaker 4: later I started getting really into suppressed science, so I
Speaker 4: ordered all these information packets from rexresearch dot com and well,
Speaker 4: this is before the internet, so they advertised in the
Speaker 4: back of Popular Science magazine. So I got their photocopy
Speaker 4: information packets on Townsend Brown on various free energy inventions,
Speaker 4: Wellhelm Reich and the entire things. So I started doing
Speaker 4: lots and lots of experiments. Back then, I didn't have
Speaker 4: the expertise or the tools I needed to do it properly,
Speaker 4: but I did try. At least I got into weather
Speaker 4: engineering using Wilhelm Rece cloud busting techniques, and then eventually
Speaker 4: I went to college for physics and electrical engineering. So
Speaker 4: I only ended up doing four and a half years
Speaker 4: of that because I realized going into academia it was
Speaker 4: too and I didn't have the freedom that I would
Speaker 4: need to pursue these fringe things without always having to
Speaker 4: worry about covering my own ass from you know, ruining
Speaker 4: my credibility for looking into something that wasn't officially approved.
Speaker 4: So I decided, you know what, I'm just going to
Speaker 4: do like graphic design web design on the side and
Speaker 4: spend my free time studying these topics, everything from alternative
Speaker 4: science to eufology, to current events to I mean everything
Speaker 4: that could provide puzzle pieces as to what's really going
Speaker 4: on and what is really being kept away from us.
Speaker 4: And so over the years, I've communicated with thousands of people,
Speaker 4: including scientists, researchers, abductees, eufologist, any any sort of truth
Speaker 4: seeker who's into this, and I've amassed a huge database
Speaker 4: of personal anecdotal data plus you know, research things, many
Speaker 4: things that you yourself ash and have been into and
Speaker 4: have been discovering over the past year. I've been heavily
Speaker 4: into a lot of that stuff too, and so that
Speaker 4: sort of allows us to converge our paths right now
Speaker 4: in this podcast.
Speaker 1: Absolutely, So, what is going on to your research? After
Speaker 1: decades of looking into it, talking to people, getting experiences,
Speaker 1: looking into the science and the physics, what is your
Speaker 1: best guest for what's going on with UFO phenomenon?
Speaker 4: Yeah, so I think working backwards, it's you and yourself
Speaker 4: know your entire audience knows that the government, the shadow government,
Speaker 4: the shadow of military. They have technologies that are decades,
Speaker 4: if not centuries, ahead of what is admitted within mainstream physics.
Speaker 4: So when I went to college back in nineteen ninety
Speaker 4: eight through two thousand and two, our textbooks, that stuff
Speaker 4: is stone age compared to the true science that these
Speaker 4: black ops programs have. Now, the question is how much
Speaker 4: of that is explainable within eupology. In other words, how
Speaker 4: much of the supposed UFO phenomenon, alien phenomenon, abductions and
Speaker 4: so on, is actually the secret government being involved in
Speaker 4: these illicit, illegal programs. And I think I would say
Speaker 4: maybe thirty five twy percent of it is Nowadays that
Speaker 4: it's quite a bit because within the upology field there's
Speaker 4: not only the disposed thing as alien abductions, but there's
Speaker 4: also military abductions or my labs. And there's many, many people,
Speaker 4: you know, I mean, they're not all nutcakes or fruitcakes
Speaker 4: or anything. They're they're like, you know, people with credentials
Speaker 4: that claim to be military abductees. And also on the
Speaker 4: anecdotal data, like I know people personally whose parents were
Speaker 4: in the military and they went on to go into
Speaker 4: working for the NSSA or military like naval intelligence or something,
Speaker 4: and they would have periods of time during the military
Speaker 4: service where they would black out and they wouldn't know
Speaker 4: what they did for that period of time. It's almost
Speaker 4: like they're indoctrinated into a black program, and then when
Speaker 4: they discharged from it, they all are memories of it
Speaker 4: were erased, okay. And when you're involved in something like that,
Speaker 4: it's very easy for you to also be like have
Speaker 4: like an altar and stall like an ultra personality that
Speaker 4: can be switched on or off. And so you could
Speaker 4: be living a regular suburban life and sometimes at night
Speaker 4: you could be abducted using portal technology similar to the
Speaker 4: MH three seventy type technology where you can be taken
Speaker 4: out of your room, you know, I mean, not like
Speaker 4: an entire airplane, but just you your body, brought to
Speaker 4: an underground base, do what you do there in your
Speaker 4: alternate personality, and then be brought back by five in
Speaker 4: the morning to wake up an hour later. This is
Speaker 4: a sort of like a common pattern, okay. And so
Speaker 4: within that field of abductions, there is definitely a human
Speaker 4: component to it for sure, okay, But me and myself,
Speaker 4: you know, when I was a kid in Germany. Neither
Speaker 4: my parents were involved in anything military whatsoever. I mean,
Speaker 4: my entire family had no association with the US military.
Speaker 4: We did live in Germany, which did have US military bases,
Speaker 4: but I don't see how I would get on their radar,
Speaker 4: and the experiences that I remember, they do seem to
Speaker 4: involve non humans. Okay, I do remember the typical gray aliens.
Speaker 4: I remember something that was like a gray slash b
Speaker 4: reptilian hybrid, and I thought it was my imagination until
Speaker 4: I asked my mom and my grandma, like, was there
Speaker 4: anything weird that happened during those years? And they said, oh, yeah,
Speaker 4: of course. You know you're always talking about these gray
Speaker 4: men or these stone men coming after you. All right,
Speaker 4: So it wasn't like like me reading abduction literature and
Speaker 4: then like inventing memories because my mom and my grandma
Speaker 4: remembered me talking about that stuff. So anyway, that set
Speaker 4: me on a long research path to figure out, okay,
Speaker 4: well what's going on with that? So my personal personal hypothesis, Okay,
Speaker 4: my personal hypothesis is that if humans have the ability
Speaker 4: to develop very advanced technologies, and we've done it rapidly
Speaker 4: from like eighteen fifties where we had like horses and buggies,
Speaker 4: and then all of a sudden Tesla came around. And
Speaker 4: then the airship mystery sightings of eighteen nineties where clearly
Speaker 4: some group was experimenting with anti gravity vessels even in
Speaker 4: the eighteen nineties. Okay, and then you go a little
Speaker 4: bit beyond that, once you had quantum mechanics and relativity,
Speaker 4: and then the Nazis were They're probably the ones that
Speaker 4: were generating those food fighters that that you know, certain
Speaker 4: airplanes were seeing. And they also had advanced anti gravity
Speaker 4: technology and possibly free energy, maybe even time travel or
Speaker 4: time bending technology back then, you know, certain allegations of that,
Speaker 4: and so things accelerated very very quickly, and so you
Speaker 4: have to think about it. Okay, well, what if this
Speaker 4: track of acceleration keeps on happening for the next I
Speaker 4: don't know, five hundred years, how far could humanity go?
Speaker 4: You probably go to alpha centry even right now using
Speaker 4: that technology.
Speaker 3: Right.
Speaker 4: So the thing is, if there is life elsewhere in
Speaker 4: the universe at all at all, and they also have
Speaker 4: this acceleration curve, how impossible is it that at some
Speaker 4: point they could have done the same thing, and now
Speaker 4: we're the ones being visited even one hundred thousand years ago,
Speaker 4: a million years ago. So just humans can do it,
Speaker 4: I think other things can do it, and perhaps therefore
Speaker 4: they have and therefore they have been here for a
Speaker 4: very long time. So that's sort of my personal view
Speaker 4: on it. And the thing is, if you continue that
Speaker 4: thought experiment more and more and more, you start realizing, okay,
Speaker 4: well then you have different worlds, different civilizations that all
Speaker 4: accelerate at their own independent rates, but eventually they collide.
Speaker 4: Eventually they you know, it could be like the Spaniards
Speaker 4: meeting the natives, or it could be the Spaniards meeting
Speaker 4: the British, you know, like a parody kind of a thing.
Speaker 4: But either way, you get wars competition, and eventually you
Speaker 4: get a kind of homeostasis amongst all these different civilizations
Speaker 4: where everyone knows their place and there's rules and laws in.
Speaker 3: Place and so on.
Speaker 4: So what if that has already happened and Earth is
Speaker 4: kind of in this heavily traffic trafficked area but almost
Speaker 4: kept isolated in a way, you know, like like the
Speaker 4: like some sort of a nature preserve or zoo or something,
Speaker 4: you know, And so maybe maybe these things that are
Speaker 4: around they're not just secret military things, but they could
Speaker 4: actually be humanoids or other beings from other worlds that
Speaker 4: are here for their own agenda. And I think the
Speaker 4: ones that have the most power would be the ones
Speaker 4: that would be the most involved in our affairs because
Speaker 4: they would have the greatest ability to do so, and
Speaker 4: that could include everything from genetic manipulation to trying to
Speaker 4: take over the planet for themselves by our consent, you know,
Speaker 4: So they'd be seeding a lot of disinformation like, oh,
Speaker 4: the Grays are good and we need them, we need
Speaker 4: to hybridize with them. That's that sort of spiel. So
Speaker 4: when you start hearing these narratives about Grays wanting to
Speaker 4: ibridize with us and trying to infuse our genetics with
Speaker 4: theirs to create this superior hybrid that's half human and
Speaker 4: half grain, well, you know what, maybe that's not all
Speaker 4: government disinformation. Maybe that is an actual, genuinely extraterrestrial or
Speaker 4: some sort of non human intelligence that's trying to do that.
Speaker 4: And if that's the case, then we've got two problems
Speaker 4: to deal with. You don't mean we have one problem,
Speaker 4: which is the human corrupt military component, which is trying
Speaker 4: to hoard all this technology for themselves, and you have
Speaker 4: a higher version of that which is more and more cosmic. Right,
Speaker 4: So it's almost like like two bosses in this video game.
Speaker 3: We have to get through.
Speaker 4: We have to get through the human coruption element, and
Speaker 4: we have to get through this alien corruption element. So
Speaker 4: it's actually probably more complex and more difficult than some.
Speaker 3: Some conspiracy researchers believe.
Speaker 2: That's my Yeah, I think it's a good hypothesis.
Speaker 1: Why because you've grounded it in logic and reason, which is, Okay,
Speaker 1: we've got these technologies that are out there. Maybe they're
Speaker 1: free energy, maybe they're teleportation or portals, whatever you want
Speaker 1: to call. Those two things are really the only thing
Speaker 1: that's holding back faster than light travel at the moment.
Speaker 1: And if you open the door to faster than light travel,
Speaker 1: now all of a sudden, it's not so implausible that
Speaker 1: aliens would be here.
Speaker 2: You know.
Speaker 1: It's like, now if distance is no longer an issue,
Speaker 1: maybe the aliens can come visit us, Which is why
Speaker 1: I personally think that the technology will open the door
Speaker 1: to those bigger questions on what is the nature of
Speaker 1: the alien stuff? And people that have been saying, like
Speaker 1: people gonna say, oh, he's talking about hybridization. The more
Speaker 1: I look at this stuff, the less in the WU.
Speaker 1: I think that's like the thing that's like the least
Speaker 1: in the wo in my opinion is that we've been
Speaker 1: able to clone people for like twenty years. I don't
Speaker 1: know if a lot of people know this, but under
Speaker 1: George Bush, we banned human cloning. There was just a
Speaker 1: story a few weeks ago a guy cloning some kind
Speaker 1: of weird, big horned sheep and then hybridizing it as well,
Speaker 1: like some random farmer. So, like we're in the point
Speaker 1: twenty twenty four where genetic manipulation crisper technology is already
Speaker 1: reached complete mainstream.
Speaker 2: I guess what I would ask you on.
Speaker 1: A follow up is, so, what I'm hearing is that
Speaker 1: it's a combination potentially of technology that humans have figured out,
Speaker 1: maybe we've got it from aliens or what have. It
Speaker 1: goes back really far, is what I'm hearing, maybe one
Speaker 1: hundred and fifty years, and then possibly a combination of
Speaker 1: actual visitation or just non human intelligence. You kind of
Speaker 1: you weren't super specific about it, but you know, opens
Speaker 1: a lot of different options out.
Speaker 4: There, right right, And I would say that I think
Speaker 4: if we okay, so if aliens didn't exist, if we
Speaker 4: were just left our own devices, I do think that
Speaker 4: the trajectory that we took from the eighteen mid eighteen
Speaker 4: hundreds forwards, it is possible that we could have done
Speaker 4: it all on our own. Because once you get to
Speaker 4: James Maxwell and his electrodynamic theory and you start expanding
Speaker 4: that just a little bit, that opens the door to
Speaker 4: anti gravity, free energy portals, time travel, so that the
Speaker 4: potential was already there. However, the worst certain things like
Speaker 4: semiconductor technologies, which they were really really struggling with it
Speaker 4: until Roswell Roswell Crash happened. I think within within one year. Oh,
Speaker 4: they came out with the transistor. Finally a working transistor.
Speaker 4: You know, maybe they just need that little nudge. And
Speaker 4: you know, some people theorize that Roswell that was an
Speaker 4: actual alien craft, but that it was purposely crashed as
Speaker 4: a trojan horse in order to seed advanced technology within
Speaker 4: human civilization. And while the question is why, well, now
Speaker 4: we have computers, now, we got cameras everywhere, we got
Speaker 4: satellites watching us, we have we're on the eve of
Speaker 4: a global totalitarian police state thanks to that sort of technology.
Speaker 4: Maybe that's what the goal was all along. I'm not sure,
Speaker 4: but some people have theorized that, and I guess it's possible.
Speaker 4: I mean, from what I know about eufology, abduction experiences, anecdotes,
Speaker 4: all the data, everything about it, these aliens are extremely clever.
Speaker 4: I mean they're very clever. Not only that, but they're
Speaker 4: also you know, like with remote remote viewing, you can
Speaker 4: remote view not only other places but also other times,
Speaker 4: the past, the future, probable futures, right, and so these beings,
Speaker 4: it seems to me that they have an very advanced
Speaker 4: ability of precognition of being able to map out different
Speaker 4: probable futures and to adjust their actions and their adjustments
Speaker 4: to our timeline right now. Just like the movie The
Speaker 4: Adjustment Bureau, They're able to adjust things right now in
Speaker 4: order to affect the future in a way that they want. Now,
Speaker 4: you would think, okay, well they have that much power,
Speaker 4: why haven't they fully taken over our planet? And I
Speaker 4: think it's probably because there are other factions that might
Speaker 4: cancel that out, that want a different goal, and so
Speaker 4: there is this cold war kind of counterbalance happening. Even
Speaker 4: at the non human level, that is keeping things relatively
Speaker 4: steady up until a certain point. So yeah, it's pretty complex.
Speaker 4: I will say I think overall human history has been
Speaker 4: nudged and managed by, potentially by non human powers. And
Speaker 4: I just say that based on works like William Bramley's
Speaker 4: The Gods of Eden, which is an interesting book because
Speaker 4: he was a historian who didn't believe in any of
Speaker 4: this alien stuff. He just wanted to He just wanted
Speaker 4: to write a general history book. So he started digging
Speaker 4: into actual library archives in Europe and everywhere, like looking
Speaker 4: at these ancient records, and he started spotting all these
Speaker 4: anomalies that indicated either the presence of time travelers or
Speaker 4: something that seemed non human interfering with human history at
Speaker 4: key points. So it's an interesting book, you know, because
Speaker 4: he ended up writing a totally different book than what
Speaker 4: do you set out to. But that's usually how it goes.
Speaker 4: You know, a lot of these people that are into euthology,
Speaker 4: they didn't start out being abductees or even believing in it.
Speaker 4: But once you start looking at enough data you start
Speaker 4: out to conclude that there's something going on. Now, it
Speaker 4: doesn't mean it has to be extra terrestrials. It could
Speaker 4: be time travelers. It could be some sort of weird
Speaker 4: quantum phenomenon where you've got like parallel timelines and there's
Speaker 4: bleed throughs going on.
Speaker 3: There could be that.
Speaker 4: You know, it could be some sort of interdimensional thing,
Speaker 4: and these things are not mutually exclusive. It could actually
Speaker 4: be a big spectrum of all these things that are
Speaker 4: going on.
Speaker 1: So yeah, I mean, the problem, I guess is that
Speaker 1: you know, there's so many things going on without a
Speaker 1: lot of evidence for some of these more I'm going
Speaker 1: to call it esoteric concepts where they're grounded in pure physics,
Speaker 1: like time travel for example. It's like, without more understanding
Speaker 1: of like data, what's happening, how can we say whether
Speaker 1: or not there's a multiverse or if we're in some
Speaker 1: kind of deterministic timeline. You just you can't tell unless
Speaker 1: you have more data. But I love that you brought
Speaker 1: up the example of there's this guy that you know
Speaker 1: started looking through the history.
Speaker 2: Wasn't a UFO person?
Speaker 1: I like that because that's the same thing that happened
Speaker 1: to me, is that I'm somebody that recently got into
Speaker 1: this topic. I said, what's going on with this? I
Speaker 1: saw these crazy videos. Let me learn everything about the
Speaker 1: lore and the history of everything I learned. I always
Speaker 1: tell people there's three things. Do you know electrical engineering?
Speaker 1: You need to understand physics, and then you need to
Speaker 1: understand history. If you understand those three things, you will
Speaker 1: understand the whole nature of how anti gravity technology and
Speaker 1: free energy technologies have been kept hidden from us, and
Speaker 1: the history is all out there, like even and we'll
Speaker 1: talk more about some of these scientific papers because I
Speaker 1: want to get your opinion on some of this stuff.
Speaker 1: Is the scientific papers has been out there forever too.
Speaker 1: I think that when you mentioned Maxwell as well, you'll
Speaker 1: find that almost every he discusses Maxwell and they say,
Speaker 1: look at Maxwell's equations. This is when we like really
Speaker 1: took the next step up. And then I love the
Speaker 1: idea too that I've always loved this idea of Roswell
Speaker 1: leading to some kind of technological boom, especially with transistors.
Speaker 1: I actually looked into transistors and like the history of
Speaker 1: this like five or six years ago when I was
Speaker 1: first digging into it, going like, man, did we really
Speaker 1: like find some alien technology and then just like give
Speaker 1: it to some university professors and then say that they
Speaker 1: invented it, you know, like it's plausible, it's not out
Speaker 1: of the realm of plausibility. Let me ask you a
Speaker 1: question on the UFO thing about Roswell specifically. Tucker Carlson
Speaker 1: was talking to Clayton Morrison redacted last week actually just
Speaker 1: a few days ago, and he brought up this narrative
Speaker 1: that I've heard a lot. I like to shoot down
Speaker 1: narratives and explain narratives for people that aren't as deep
Speaker 1: into this as you and I are. And Tucker Carlson said, well,
Speaker 1: if these aliens flew from another galaxy or another star
Speaker 1: system or whatever, and they have this advanced technology, how
Speaker 1: can they crash? Shouldn't they just be invincible? I hear
Speaker 1: this all the time from people, So go ahead, give
Speaker 1: me your debunk of the how do UFOs crash? That's
Speaker 1: me to do in the air quotes? Yeah, argument, Yeah.
Speaker 4: So there's really only two explanations that I can think of.
Speaker 4: One is that it was intentionally crashed to serve as
Speaker 4: a trojan horse, to give us a gift of technology
Speaker 4: that would end up being like a poison pill that
Speaker 4: creates this this this hell world that we're moving into
Speaker 4: or we're on the version moving into we still could.
Speaker 4: That's one, and the other is that they were shot
Speaker 4: down by technology that humans had that was more advanced
Speaker 4: than we assume, right, because what we typically hear is, oh,
Speaker 4: during wildswell, they're testing what was it like, like like
Speaker 4: microwave radars or something, and that destabilized or energy field
Speaker 4: and therefore the ship crash. Maybe maybe they weren't expecting
Speaker 4: that and therefore they didn't have a counter measure to it,
Speaker 4: or or it wasn't even a microwave laser it maybe
Speaker 4: it was something that they I mean, they probably already
Speaker 4: knew about the non human tech presence on Earth for
Speaker 4: a while, maybe maybe even a couple decades, because if
Speaker 4: you think about it, there was that disuppose it crashed
Speaker 4: and crashed in Italy in the nineteen was the twenties
Speaker 4: and thirties, there's some rumors about that, and the Nazis
Speaker 4: have their own thing already by that point. So by
Speaker 4: the time Roswell happened, there already was a black program.
Speaker 4: I mean, the Manhattan Project was already happening years before that, right,
Speaker 4: So advanced technology was already being worked on, and of
Speaker 4: course it was weaponized, so they probably used it on that.
Speaker 4: So that's another potential explanation. And the thing is, no
Speaker 4: to come here from another world, even if they do,
Speaker 4: maybe their time travelers, maybe they're from an another dimension.
Speaker 4: To do that does not require invincibility. It just requires
Speaker 4: knowledge of key science and key physics.
Speaker 2: You know.
Speaker 4: It's like it's like, if you don't have the combination
Speaker 4: lock to a massive vault, how much effort do you
Speaker 4: need to get through those vault doors?
Speaker 3: A ton?
Speaker 1: Right?
Speaker 4: I mean, I don't know, you get like laser cutter
Speaker 4: or something to try to get to there. But if
Speaker 4: you know what the combination, you just do it and
Speaker 4: you're through the door. So the same thing with these
Speaker 4: sciences that we're talking about. If you go down that path,
Speaker 4: you've got the easy path towards magical abilities. It's not
Speaker 4: so the problem is nowadays, if you don't know any better,
Speaker 4: you would think that, okay, well, the only way to
Speaker 4: time travel, the only way to do these fantastic things
Speaker 4: is either through well basically through general relativity. Right, so
Speaker 4: you have to do these these giant, massive spinning cylinders
Speaker 4: a warp space and time, and for us to build
Speaker 4: that is impossible right now, Just know way we could
Speaker 4: build something that's massive that spins that fast and warp
Speaker 4: space and time. But that's because you're trying to use
Speaker 4: the handicapped version of science to do it. If you know,
Speaker 4: for example, the relation between an electric field and a
Speaker 4: gravitational field, hey, well there you go. You just have
Speaker 4: to pump up the electric field and you alter space
Speaker 4: and time and voila. Right, you got it. So that's
Speaker 4: what the Nazis were doing. I think that's what black
Speaker 4: ops are doing, and that's probably what some of these
Speaker 4: alien things are doing. That they've got a different kind
Speaker 4: of science than what the public has, and therefore it's
Speaker 4: way easier for them to do that than for us
Speaker 4: to imagine using our intentionally handicapped public science.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and I would say that it's you're right. I
Speaker 1: would also say that it's even easier than that is
Speaker 1: that you know, just because you've developed this technology doesn't
Speaker 1: mean you're invincible.
Speaker 2: That was your I think your strongest argument there.
Speaker 1: It's like, Okay, well I've got this awesome iPhone that's
Speaker 1: more powerful than any computer from the nineteen eighties, but
Speaker 1: if I put this in a cup of water, it's
Speaker 1: going to be destroyed in a few minutes, you know,
Speaker 1: So everything has vulnerabilities, and personally, in my opinion, I
Speaker 1: hadn't actually heard that. It was like there's possibly a
Speaker 1: decoy crashes or what have you. That's certainly possible too.
Speaker 1: But you know, if it's got everything's got a weakness,
Speaker 1: just like Superman's weakness is kryptonite.
Speaker 2: So if these things.
Speaker 1: Are surfing on gravitational waves, then theoretically, if I shoot
Speaker 1: a scaler potential or a gravitational wave at it, or
Speaker 1: create a gravitational disturbance around it, it's like pushing somebody
Speaker 1: off the surfboard while they're riding on the wave. You
Speaker 1: know they're going to fall off. In my opinion, Yeah,
Speaker 1: that's great. That's great metaphor because it's not magic that
Speaker 1: they're using. They're using technology.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's not. They don't have the infinite the Stone.
Speaker 2: They're not just invincible.
Speaker 1: They just realize that there's some extended electrodynamics that we
Speaker 1: don't currently accept.
Speaker 2: Now, this I think goes to my next point.
Speaker 1: Really well, which is I always assumed, and I've researched
Speaker 1: a lot in the last year since we spoke, that
Speaker 1: if there is some suppressed science that's out there that
Speaker 1: related to UFO technology. It's gonna be out there to
Speaker 1: be found. It's not gonna be like hidden in a
Speaker 1: vault in the Vatican or whatever.
Speaker 4: Like.
Speaker 1: People will have been writing about it, writing theories about it,
Speaker 1: and I think I found it. So I guess my
Speaker 1: first question I'm gonna ask you I just realized, is
Speaker 1: you believe UFOs are real. I think we can just
Speaker 1: assume that UFOs are real. This is a UFO. What
Speaker 1: is the energy source for this UFO? Like recently we've
Speaker 1: been talking about there's these UFOs.
Speaker 2: In New Jersey.
Speaker 1: Some of them are clearly just planes, but let's just
Speaker 1: assume that some of these are UFOs and they're floating
Speaker 1: around in the sky for over a day's straight and
Speaker 1: they're just hovering there. In your opinion, Tom, what could
Speaker 1: be the energy source that allows this to be possible?
Speaker 2: Right?
Speaker 4: So if you if you asked me, h, let's say
Speaker 4: we have a shadow military anti gravity craft that's there
Speaker 4: and it's staying in the sky for days, and if
Speaker 4: you ask me what is it's power source? That would
Speaker 4: be easier to talk about because then we are strictly
Speaker 4: operating within the realm of hard science. Even if it
Speaker 4: is fringe science. Okay, we're still operating within the realm
Speaker 4: of science. Not to get too far off topic, but
Speaker 4: once we start talking about potential aliens or non human
Speaker 4: intelligences any ties. When we started talking about that so earlier,
Speaker 4: remember you mentioned what was like science, electrical engineering, and history.
Speaker 4: If you know those three things, you can figure out
Speaker 4: a lot of this. Those those are the three Those
Speaker 4: are like three legs of a table. That's a minimum
Speaker 4: minimum you need to have a stable table, right, But
Speaker 4: you can have four legs in a five six legs,
Speaker 4: So what are those other legs? Well, in my opinion,
Speaker 4: some of those other legs might include occultism, mysticism, right,
Speaker 4: stuff involving sigh power, subtle energies, etheric energy. So when
Speaker 4: we talk about the ether, we're not just talking about
Speaker 4: zero point energy vacuum fields. We're talking about something that's
Speaker 4: even more fundamental than that, that ties into it, and
Speaker 4: that gets more into the realm of consciousness. So when
Speaker 4: people asktra project or they got near death experiences, or
Speaker 4: they experienced telepathy or synchronicity or all these things, it's
Speaker 4: still not magic. However, it's not exactly hard science anymore either,
Speaker 4: because for example, take a synchronicity. Okay, when you get
Speaker 4: a synchronicity, if you get enough of them, you start realizing,
Speaker 4: We'll wait a minute. Reality cannot be this cold, deterministic
Speaker 4: machine that the university physicists tell us that it is.
Speaker 4: There's something more going on. It almost acts more like
Speaker 4: a collective dream, with waking dream symbols that communicate something
Speaker 4: meaningful to you, symbolic. And when it comes to symbolism
Speaker 4: and symbolic and meaning like meaning like the meaning of
Speaker 4: something that's no longer mathematical, you can't really map that
Speaker 4: out using variables because it's not mechanical. It is numinous,
Speaker 4: it is it is involving meanings, it's semantic. Okay, So
Speaker 4: it's a different field of dynamics than physics. So in
Speaker 4: my personal opinion, not to jump too far ahead, but
Speaker 4: I think that reality actually does consist of two parts.
Speaker 4: One part is the programmed physics like side of it,
Speaker 4: the deterministic, mathematical geometrical stuff. Everything that you and I
Speaker 4: have been talking about so far, that's what that is,
Speaker 4: and you can study it, you can engineer it, you
Speaker 4: can apply it. However, there is another component which deals
Speaker 4: more with like you could call it like the right brain.
Speaker 3: Of the matrix, or whatever you want to call it.
Speaker 4: It's where it's more symbolic, more meaningful, non mathematical, non
Speaker 4: necessarily geometric, Okay, And that's also a component of reality.
Speaker 4: And the reason why I bring this up is because
Speaker 4: it seems to me that after a civilization master's physical technology,
Speaker 4: the only thing left to master really is consciousness itself
Speaker 4: and these subtle energy fields that are almost like the
Speaker 4: underlying HTML code or machine code of reality. So if
Speaker 4: you run a physics emulation program on your computer, hey,
Speaker 4: all the physics are there, right, it's hard physics.
Speaker 3: You can simulate this.
Speaker 4: You can simulate agnetic fields, electric fields, and all the
Speaker 4: math works out. But guess what the entire thing is
Speaker 4: running on machine code, which isn't even physics, it's just
Speaker 4: a software. It's programming. So I do think that perhaps
Speaker 4: reality has a similar dynamic going on, where you have
Speaker 4: the actual physics, but it's all programmed. And if you
Speaker 4: know the programming, sure you can you can work within
Speaker 4: that physics. You can engineer things, you know, make you
Speaker 4: can program something to fly around. And so I think
Speaker 4: that some of these non human intelligences, some of them
Speaker 4: are only operating within the physics realm, and that includes
Speaker 4: a lot of these shadow military projects. They're they're using
Speaker 4: fringe science to do it, okay, and that's that's totally fine. However,
Speaker 4: that other component of reality some of these nhis so
Speaker 4: they probably have mastery over consciousness and the underlying matrix
Speaker 4: code to such an extent that they can probably reprogram
Speaker 4: physics itself directly from from the root source code in
Speaker 4: order to hover or levitate or you know, teleport or
Speaker 4: something like that. And if you don't have that conscious ability,
Speaker 4: well guess what, you're stuck using regular physics. And that's
Speaker 4: what the shadow military groups have and that's probably what
Speaker 4: some of these less less advanced alien groups also have.
Speaker 4: So right, So, once again, going back to your question,
Speaker 4: we asked me what makes it hover? I think in
Speaker 4: some in some cases it is probably I don't want
Speaker 4: to call it magic, but it is.
Speaker 3: It's a little bit beyond physics.
Speaker 4: You call it quantum consciousness, reprogramming of etheric energy fields
Speaker 4: or something like that. That's the one thing, and then
Speaker 4: the other thing that's that's more like the hard science,
Speaker 4: and that's what we can talk about more because that's mappable.
Speaker 4: That's what you can write scientific papers about, you know.
Speaker 4: And so as far as energy sources go, and obviously
Speaker 4: it has to be the zero point energy field, it
Speaker 4: has to be that clearly, right.
Speaker 1: I waited that whole time just to hear the final
Speaker 1: thing that I want to hear, the zero point energy field.
Speaker 1: The only thing I would disagree with you on is
Speaker 1: that I think it all is real hard physics. I
Speaker 1: think we're just not ready to the point to accept
Speaker 1: some of it. I think that the logical conclusion if
Speaker 1: there is a zero point energy field filled with energy
Speaker 1: that's out there in ether etheric energy you mentioned, I
Speaker 1: actually love that term etheric energy. To me, that's what
Speaker 1: consciousness is coming from. I mean, it's just like there's
Speaker 1: not there's not that much stuff out there. So to me,
Speaker 1: it's like if there's this energy field that we don't see,
Speaker 1: but it's always there, omnipresent everywhere around us, everywhere in
Speaker 1: the entire universe. I mean, there's got to be a
Speaker 1: connection there. It seems like it's avoidable. And then this
Speaker 1: is what I would say to you. You mentioned a lot
Speaker 1: about simulation theory, et cetera. So do you believe in
Speaker 1: the holographic principle, and do you want to explain that
Speaker 1: concept to people just briefly.
Speaker 4: Yeah, So there's different there's different versions of the holographic principle.
Speaker 4: Like on the one hand, you have Leonard Suskind, and
Speaker 4: he wrote a book about the well, he wrote some
Speaker 4: papers about the holographic theory of reality, but he's talking
Speaker 4: more about basically a fourth dimensional black hole that we
Speaker 4: exist on the surface of. And so just as you
Speaker 4: can have a two dimensional sheet of photographic film that
Speaker 4: has a holographic image and printed onto it and looks
Speaker 4: three dimensional even though it's a two dimensional sheet, well,
Speaker 4: our three D space time with the dimension of time
Speaker 4: added to it, which is fourth dimensions, could actually be
Speaker 4: embedded in a higher space. But it's actually like the
Speaker 4: flat plane within that higher space, and we're just holograms
Speaker 4: within that.
Speaker 3: And I think there is truth to that.
Speaker 4: But that's still one hundred that's still mostly a physical model.
Speaker 4: So there might still I think, in my opinion, there's
Speaker 4: just still could be a consciousness component to some extent. However,
Speaker 4: I do think that the more science advances and the
Speaker 4: more metaphysics advances, the more they converge upon a single
Speaker 4: true unified science. So so it's it's a matter of
Speaker 4: semantics and philosophy. You know, if you're saying that it's
Speaker 4: all science, and I'm saying, oh no, it's partly metaphysics
Speaker 4: is actually more of a semantic issue than an actual
Speaker 4: factual issue.
Speaker 3: You know, what do we call this? How do we
Speaker 3: call it?
Speaker 1: Yeah? Yeah, I mean that's my view is like, okay, well,
Speaker 1: if there is this ether, and just like you said,
Speaker 1: I fully believe the holographic principle. You did a great
Speaker 1: job of explaining it in my opinion, which is just
Speaker 1: this idea that on this extra dimension we're all maybe
Speaker 1: even one point the idea of like the one Lin theory,
Speaker 1: and therefore everything is right next to each other, which
Speaker 1: means the distance as we perceive, it's just a projection,
Speaker 1: an illusion that we perceive, and that opens the door
Speaker 1: to a lot of stuff that's considered esoteric, like remote viewing.
Speaker 1: I think, the idea of consciousness and what even is life?
Speaker 1: Maybe we're all the same person, a lot of that.
Speaker 1: So I just find those theories to be quite elegant,
Speaker 1: and I find that physics theories that are elegant usually
Speaker 1: have the most merit generally, a lot of this stuff
Speaker 1: really is more simple than what people expect.
Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, And you know what people have to keep
Speaker 4: in mind is with a holographic principle. That's pretty much
Speaker 4: what quantum physics is when they talk about wave functions.
Speaker 4: Wave functions are patterns of amplitude and phase in space,
Speaker 4: and if the conscious observer interacts with it, oh, a
Speaker 4: single particle appears, or a system, an atom, whatever it appears. Well,
Speaker 4: that's how hologram works. It's a collection of amplitude and
Speaker 4: phase that's distributed over space, and when you shine a
Speaker 4: laser into it, it kind of decodes it, It gets
Speaker 4: modulated by it, and it generates a seemingly three to
Speaker 4: mentional object that isn't actually truly there.
Speaker 3: It's all informational.
Speaker 4: So quantum physics and holographic theory, I think there is
Speaker 4: basically the same thing.
Speaker 2: Everything.
Speaker 1: Being informational really opens the door to a lot of stuff,
Speaker 1: especially just the idea of teleportation, because it's like, now,
Speaker 1: what even am I? If I'm just a group of information,
Speaker 1: then that information can go through a wormhole. Like Leonard
Speaker 1: Suskin would argue, there's another theory that I don't know
Speaker 1: if you watch my Salvator Pais interview. He's I think
Speaker 1: been alluding to this concept that I just was listening
Speaker 1: to the seam here me and talk to Danica Patrick
Speaker 1: about this idea that inside each proton is a tiny
Speaker 1: black hole.
Speaker 2: Have you heard that at all? What are your thoughts
Speaker 2: on that?
Speaker 4: Yeah, I think it makes sense. I was thinking about
Speaker 4: this earlier tonight because I was thinking about I was
Speaker 4: thinking about gravity as an ether.
Speaker 3: Flow, you know.
Speaker 4: And see the problem is a lot of people think
Speaker 4: about gravity as rights. Imagine you got the Earth, okay,
Speaker 4: Earth as a as a spheroid, okay, and imagine gravity
Speaker 4: being an ether flow coming in from other radio spatial
Speaker 4: directions and pushing pushing objects into it.
Speaker 1: Okay.
Speaker 4: And that might be true, But it doesn't have to
Speaker 4: be that, not if we consider it from a fifth
Speaker 4: dimensional perspective, where perhaps instead of ether flowing in to it,
Speaker 4: it's more like at each height above the ground, you know. Yeah,
Speaker 4: there's a different ether flow into time into a fifth dimension,
Speaker 4: So it might actually be flow perpendicular to what we
Speaker 4: perceive a space. And there's different flow rates depending on
Speaker 4: the gravitational potential. So the closer art to the ground,
Speaker 4: the faster it flows or the slower it flow is
Speaker 4: depending on how you view it. So, yeah, so I
Speaker 4: do think that that ether flow it relates to time
Speaker 4: in some way and also to gravity for sure.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, isn't it just simpler than that. It's
Speaker 1: just a matter of energy density, right, And the more
Speaker 1: energy density in a region you're going to have, you're
Speaker 1: gonna create a flow. So if you have less energy
Speaker 1: density region in this space right here than you have
Speaker 1: in this space, I expect there to be a flow
Speaker 1: where things are moving towards that, just like it's just
Speaker 1: thermo dynamics, just hot moves to cold, right.
Speaker 4: So yeah, yeah, right right, and that might actually be so.
Speaker 4: So basically, you can have let's say two points, this
Speaker 4: this one here in the frame. So this one here
Speaker 4: it might actually be flowing quickly through time, and this
Speaker 4: one here it might be flowing slowly through time into
Speaker 4: the fifth dimension into the fourth dimension. But if there's
Speaker 4: a difference between them, then there could be a transfer
Speaker 4: through space as well, not just time. And so then
Speaker 4: to our eyes we see an actual flow, you know,
Speaker 4: from along the x axes or waxes or z axis
Speaker 4: or whatever. Even though the flow is going from a
Speaker 4: point to another point, where each of these points are
Speaker 4: flowing into the fourth and fifth dimension at their own
Speaker 4: different rates, you know, So we we're talking about a
Speaker 4: fourth or fifth dimensional space of ether and flows that
Speaker 4: had that happened within that. So it's almost like some
Speaker 4: sort of a hyperdimensional fluid dynamics situation, I think, And
Speaker 4: I think some of that is needed to explain physics
Speaker 4: phenomena that a simple oh you know, everything flowing into
Speaker 4: a ball might not necessarily always account for.
Speaker 1: So you think the black hole idea at the center
Speaker 1: of the protons somehow feeds into that theory.
Speaker 2: Is that what you believe?
Speaker 4: Yeah, I think so, because the center of any mass
Speaker 4: is where all the gravity is pointing towards right. So
Speaker 4: if gravity is a kind of flow, you would think that, well,
Speaker 4: it has to go somewhere. So what if there is
Speaker 4: an actual spatial flow. So if if all this ether
Speaker 4: is flowing down and down into the center of every
Speaker 4: single mass, then where does it go once it reaches
Speaker 4: at It has to go through a higher dimension and
Speaker 4: then back out into regions of no matter, you know,
Speaker 4: into other other positions in the universe. And actually, Paula
Speaker 4: Violet Paul of Violet. One of his theories is that
Speaker 4: when you have a galaxy here and again in a
Speaker 4: galaxy there. When you got two galaxies, that space in
Speaker 4: between them actually has a positive gravitational potential. It's not zero,
Speaker 4: It actually bows out a little bit. So there's actually
Speaker 4: as it's equivalent to negative mass or negative energy to
Speaker 4: get this positive gravitational potential bump in between two gravity wells. Okay,
Speaker 4: so because by physical convention, whenever you have a mass,
Speaker 4: the closer you get to the mass, the more negative
Speaker 4: the gravitational potential becomes. But in between large groups groupings
Speaker 4: of masses, there's actually a positive gravitational potential. So maybe
Speaker 4: that positive corresponds to where the energy that flows into
Speaker 4: these black holes in side protons or whatever is re
Speaker 4: emitted out from a higher dimension into the vacuum of
Speaker 4: space into the zero point energy field somehow, and that
Speaker 4: creates like a positive gravitational potential. But so I'm just
Speaker 4: talking about a flow loop that has to go through
Speaker 4: a higher dimension in order to account for where the
Speaker 4: ether flow even goes.
Speaker 1: Do you think then in that model that energy is
Speaker 1: like a cyclical system, much like the water table on Earth,
Speaker 1: where energy is coming from the ether and going back
Speaker 1: to the ether eventually.
Speaker 4: Yeah, that's yeah, that's very possible. I will say that
Speaker 4: even within mainstream physics, it is well well known that
Speaker 4: energy involves cycling of something. Something on a quantum level
Speaker 4: is cycling, and that is what energy is. And actually
Speaker 4: the cycling within quantum physics they would call this quantum phase.
Speaker 4: So the quantum phase value is cycling like a clock.
Speaker 4: It's spinning like a clock. It's going from zero to
Speaker 4: three sixty degrees, you know, zero three sixty degrees, and
Speaker 4: it's spinning round and round and round. And the faster
Speaker 4: it spins, the more energy is present at that point.
Speaker 4: So when you talk about energy density, energy density is
Speaker 4: equivalent to the density of faster cycling rates. Okay, so
Speaker 4: that's what energy is. It deals with cycling through time,
Speaker 4: getting through time. But momentum momentum within physics, that has
Speaker 4: to do with cycling through space. So when you get
Speaker 4: a spatial wave quantum wave traced down in space, that
Speaker 4: corresponds to momentum. But if it traces out through time
Speaker 4: as a kind of oscillation, that's to do with energy.
Speaker 4: So energy momentum. There are two sides of the same coin,
Speaker 4: and they have to do with the cycling of something
Speaker 4: something they don't know exactly what it is, but they
Speaker 4: think it's Actually they don't know what it is. They
Speaker 4: just call a quantum phase and they say, oh, it
Speaker 4: spins this way through space and this way through time.
Speaker 4: That's that's energy and that's momentum. And then so you know,
Speaker 4: it's this kind of self referential how they describe reality,
Speaker 4: Like they don't really know what work is or energy
Speaker 4: or force or gravity. They explain everything in terms of
Speaker 4: everything else, and they sign terms to it, and they
Speaker 4: don't ever go to asking the fundamental questions like what
Speaker 4: actually is energy, what actually is time?
Speaker 3: What is gravity? They don't because they can't.
Speaker 1: It's like it's like Nicola Tesla and Nicola Tesla invented
Speaker 1: alternating current. Nicola Tesla was a real person, by the way,
Speaker 1: Guys I used to think he was a myth. All
Speaker 1: he figured out was that if you take a copper
Speaker 1: wire and spin it through a magnetic field, current begins
Speaker 1: to flow. No, and people say like, oh, well, you're
Speaker 1: just converting the kinetic energy into electrical energy. What the
Speaker 1: hell does that mean? Like what's the conversion rate? Like
Speaker 1: what are you talking about there?
Speaker 2: Is that? So if a wind is spinning a.
Speaker 1: Turbine, is the wind converting into electrical energy? That's not
Speaker 1: is it really converting? Like from a conceptual perspective, it
Speaker 1: makes sense you say, well, whatever energy I did here,
Speaker 1: that I'm going to get energy out of it. But
Speaker 1: from a broader philosophical perspective, it doesn't really make any sense.
Speaker 1: You realize that what's really happening in an alternating current
Speaker 1: is that time is moving forward, and time is causing
Speaker 1: the coil to be flipped, and that's causing the current
Speaker 1: to flow. It's crazy to me that the most fundamental
Speaker 1: question there is has not really ever been answered, which
Speaker 1: is where is energy even coming from? Where's the energy
Speaker 1: for these lights right here coming from?
Speaker 2: You know? So where do you think?
Speaker 1: So you think then that the energy must be coming
Speaker 1: from the ether? Do you think all energy is coming
Speaker 1: from there?
Speaker 3: In a way?
Speaker 4: In a way, I think it's coming from time. But
Speaker 4: time in a way is synonymous with ether. Like what's
Speaker 4: his name? Kazero of the Russian researcher he was he's
Speaker 4: researching etheric energy, you know, entropy, time and gravity, and
Speaker 4: he related all those to each other. You know, he
Speaker 4: said that they're all part of the same system, the
Speaker 4: same complex. But I do think that etheric energy or
Speaker 4: energy general does involve motion through the hologram you could
Speaker 4: call it.
Speaker 3: It's some sort of hologram.
Speaker 4: So so imagine, you know, it's like with like with animation,
Speaker 4: the old the old school, the old school animation. We
Speaker 4: got different slides and you take a picture of each one, right,
Speaker 4: and you do that. Yeah, so you can take all
Speaker 4: those slides or those all those those sheets and lay
Speaker 4: them out spatially, and you've got yourself a spatial pattern.
Speaker 4: But when you play them through time, now you've got motion.
Speaker 4: And you call this motion kinetic energy, right, But really
Speaker 4: it's a spatial pattern that's become animated. So time and space,
Speaker 4: you know, time and space they are at right angles,
Speaker 4: they're orthogonal, you know. But but you know there there
Speaker 4: are two sides of the same coin, and that you
Speaker 4: can be in between. One could be more of one
Speaker 4: or the other, and largely it depends on perspective.
Speaker 1: Right.
Speaker 4: So if you have if you have an electron and
Speaker 4: it's stationary relative to you, it's got an electric field
Speaker 4: around it, and it's one hundred percent electric but if
Speaker 4: you move past it, all of a sudden, part of
Speaker 4: that field becomes magnetic to you, so you know, or
Speaker 4: if you take a magnet or a magnetic field and
Speaker 4: you move in a certain way, then part of it
Speaker 4: becomes electric. So there are things within physics, quantum physics
Speaker 4: where if you look at it from the viewpoint of
Speaker 4: space time, fourth dimension, the fourth dimensional field, where you've
Speaker 4: got space here, you got time here, that entire thing.
Speaker 4: You've got these static patterns on here, static patterns. But
Speaker 4: when you yourself as the observer, moved through time, then
Speaker 4: it actually animates as motion or electricity, converting into magnetism
Speaker 4: or whatever. In other words, there are deeper dynamics going
Speaker 4: on that explain physics. But the thing is, even if
Speaker 4: you ask a physicists, well then why does that happen?
Speaker 3: Okay, well, then why does that happen?
Speaker 4: And someone you keep drilling down, at some point there's
Speaker 4: going to go They're gonna throw the hands up, They're like,
Speaker 4: I don't know, I don't know. I've reached the limits
Speaker 4: of my language, my conception, of my assumptions. I can't
Speaker 4: go any further. And at that point it becomes a
Speaker 4: philosophical speculation as to what's actually going on. But yeah,
Speaker 4: it's wrong. It's wrong to say that physics is an
Speaker 4: explanation of reality.
Speaker 3: It's not.
Speaker 4: It's a hypothesis. It's a model of reality. It's an approximation. Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 4: physics is the model.
Speaker 1: Engineering is the practical experimentation and observation.
Speaker 2: You know.
Speaker 1: So we should be looking at engineers to show us
Speaker 1: what's possible, and then physicists to show us to explain
Speaker 1: how it's how it is possible. But for some reason,
Speaker 1: it feels like it's the opposite. Let me ask you
Speaker 1: with zero point energy? Have you read Are you familiar
Speaker 1: with how Pudov's work?
Speaker 2: Yeah? Yeah, alleged.
Speaker 1: Because it feels like I looked at his papers since
Speaker 1: we last spoke, and to all the questions you just
Speaker 1: brought up about, well, is this zero point energy, this
Speaker 1: ether explaining gravity, mass, inertia, his papers say yes, it
Speaker 1: explains all of these things. It's not just him, but
Speaker 1: he also wrote some papers with Bernard hash and Ruda
Speaker 1: as well, and some of them wrote papers by themselves.
Speaker 1: It's clear these guys all know each other. So the
Speaker 1: crazy part is their papers go back to the eighties.
Speaker 1: The first one from how Pudoff was nineteen eighty seven,
Speaker 1: which was the ground state of the hydrogen atom, and
Speaker 1: he asks the question, why is the hydrogen and adam
Speaker 1: not radiate energy at rest? And it seems kind of
Speaker 1: counterintuitive at first because you think, well, it's at rest,
Speaker 1: it's not supposed to radiate energy. But then from the
Speaker 1: quantum mechanic perspective we look at it, we realize that
Speaker 1: nothing's ever really at rest. From the quantum mechanic perspective,
Speaker 1: if you were to take a pendulum in quantum mechanics,
Speaker 1: it never stops. Even you know, we look at something
Speaker 1: it looks like it's stopped, but it's never really stopped.
Speaker 1: So the conclusion he came to is that, well, it
Speaker 1: must be interacting with a field of energy where it's
Speaker 1: gaining energy and losing energy at the same rate and equilibrium,
Speaker 1: and that's why it doesn't appear to be radiated energy.
Speaker 1: He followed it up two years later and wrote what
Speaker 1: I think is probably gonna end up be in a
Speaker 1: legendary paper in history, which is gravity as a zero
Speaker 1: point fluctuation for us, where he's basically saying that the
Speaker 1: relative energy densities that are out there create this pressure
Speaker 1: that we know of as gravity, which was basically what
Speaker 1: you just explained a second ago regarding this etheric flow.
Speaker 2: Yeah, he just says it's.
Speaker 1: A matter of relative energy densities, which that was me
Speaker 1: just kind of stealing his arguments. And then it was
Speaker 1: Haitian Ruta later on that came up and said, well,
Speaker 1: this also explains inertia, Like why do we feel resistance
Speaker 1: when we're moving even through outer space where there's no gravity?
Speaker 1: Why do I feel resistance? Well, the answer is because
Speaker 1: you're moving through this field, like you would say with
Speaker 1: the hologram. It's like you're moving through the hologram, and
Speaker 1: when you do that, this is we feel. This resistance
Speaker 1: is there, and if you were to remove that zero
Speaker 1: point field, then you're not going to feel that resistance anymore.
Speaker 1: They also said that this zero point feels what gives
Speaker 1: us mass. That's the reason why we have mass at all,
Speaker 1: Otherwise we would have no mass. What do you think
Speaker 1: about how putoff you think that those theories are sound?
Speaker 1: I mean, this guy is connected to the UFO topic
Speaker 1: in a way that I never could have anticipated.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 4: Yeah, so I like a lot of what he's written,
Speaker 4: but I'm also equally suspicious because someone who's that well
Speaker 4: connected and that's smart is also capable of putting out
Speaker 4: bs to throw people off track. So I'm careful. I'm
Speaker 4: careful when I read this stuff. I'm like, yes, this
Speaker 4: makes sense, but I'm going to reserve it's a little
Speaker 4: bit of sault, just just to make sure, you know,
Speaker 4: just to make sure that I don't swallow it fully.
Speaker 4: And I mean the same goes with with anyone else
Speaker 4: that that's involved in the higher level stuff that has
Speaker 4: secret connections. You know, they could be running interference for
Speaker 4: black programs by throwing people off track. They could be,
Speaker 4: but it's up to us to understand it and to
Speaker 4: see if that is a case or not. I mean,
Speaker 4: it's not a good idea to have a blanket suspicion
Speaker 4: and just not believe anything. If you're not gonna believe something,
Speaker 4: if you can have suspicion about it, explain why, like,
Speaker 4: find out why what is off about it? And if
Speaker 4: you can't find anything, then hey, guess what it checks out.
Speaker 4: So so that that's how I've been with how put off,
Speaker 4: And I mean I like that he is. He's open
Speaker 4: minded enough to explore things like the vector potential and
Speaker 4: the scaler potential, the force free version of those that
Speaker 4: don't lead to magnetic and electric fields, the stuff that
Speaker 4: I talked about in my last podcast with you. So
Speaker 4: he does talk about that, and he talked about it
Speaker 4: decades ago, you know, So he's one of those one
Speaker 4: of those guys.
Speaker 3: It was him.
Speaker 4: I mean, there's others like Tom Bearden, who's you know,
Speaker 4: talked at nauseum about that.
Speaker 3: Sort of thing.
Speaker 4: So it's a thing that keeps popping up, but it
Speaker 4: never really broaches into the mainstream. For for good reason,
Speaker 4: you know, because because academia is sort of a it's
Speaker 4: it's gate gatekeeper, you know, it's gate keeped. So there's
Speaker 4: just really no way to penetrate it. But but you've
Speaker 4: seen his patent by by any chance, yeah, the yeah,
Speaker 4: the vector potential communication system.
Speaker 3: Is that the one you're talking about?
Speaker 1: Oh wait, let me yeah, this one right here. So
Speaker 1: I'm just going to read it for the people listening.
Speaker 1: Just called first of all, just called communication system. If
Speaker 1: you're trying so, you know, I agree with you, you
Speaker 1: have we have to be skeptical and we should be
Speaker 1: judging arguments based on their merits, also not based on
Speaker 1: if somebody did remote viewing in the seventies or whatever.
Speaker 2: Crap too.
Speaker 1: But when someone's putting disinformation out there, I don't think
Speaker 1: they usually call us their pat in something really vague
Speaker 1: like communication system like what and so then you read
Speaker 1: it and I want to get your take on this.
Speaker 1: I've said my take many times. But a communication system
Speaker 1: using vector and scalar potential is disclosed. The system uses
Speaker 1: field free potentials like you just said signaling for many
Speaker 1: applications where the absence of shielding effects in seawater, plasma,
Speaker 1: or other dense media due to the fact that the
Speaker 1: absence of the electric and magnetic fields eliminates the possibility
Speaker 1: of induced charge and current response in the media being transited.
Speaker 1: So real quick before I let you jump in here,
Speaker 1: is that when I read that, it says we're using
Speaker 1: field potentials that have no electric and magnetic field like
Speaker 1: the Airnhoff Bom effect, transmitting a scalar potential through the
Speaker 1: ether through the zero point energy field, and we're doing
Speaker 1: it because electromagnetic fields are blocked by seawater and plasma,
Speaker 1: which mean says this is a communication device for communicating
Speaker 1: with a submarine, or communicating with the sun, or something
Speaker 1: some plants of all. Right, last thing I'll say is
Speaker 1: that this patent is not just one. There's five different
Speaker 1: patents with different patent numbers, all are the exact same thing,
Speaker 1: and they date all the way back to nineteen ninety three, yep.
Speaker 1: And I found a news article about this patent and
Speaker 1: the mainstream academics were up in arms about it. They
Speaker 1: were insessed over the fact that this patent had been approved.
Speaker 1: They claimed that it was pseudoscience and that the patent
Speaker 1: officer must not have known what they were talking about
Speaker 1: to approve this patent. But we can see it's been
Speaker 1: approved four o their time since then, most recently in
Speaker 1: twenty twenty one. So what is your thoughts on this pattern?
Speaker 3: I know, I think it's legit.
Speaker 4: I mean, it's just it just uses an expanded version
Speaker 4: of Maxwell's equations. Really, I mean, that's that's all it is.
Speaker 4: Because so the Maxwell's equations that we know nowadays, what
Speaker 4: they are is they relate electric charge to electric fields,
Speaker 4: electric fields to magnetic fields when they're both in motion
Speaker 4: and so on. So they relate one electromagnetic thing another. Okay,
Speaker 4: but thing is to get to that form, they had
Speaker 4: to cut out a lot of other things that were implied,
Speaker 4: but they were like, well, that stuff isn't physical, so
Speaker 4: let's just set it to zero or make them cancel
Speaker 4: each other out, so we don't have to worry about
Speaker 4: that stuff. You know, it's all imaginary anyway, we can't measure,
Speaker 4: we can't prove it.
Speaker 3: It's it's it.
Speaker 4: Doesn't doesn't matter, so let's only focus on this little part.
Speaker 4: And that became the four Maxwell's equations, and that's what's
Speaker 4: taught to every physics and electrical engineering student nowadays in college. Okay,
Speaker 4: and and they take it for granted, you know, to them,
Speaker 4: it's like the Ten commandments.
Speaker 3: They don't question it. They just follow it, okay.
Speaker 4: And and so when you when you tell them that, hey,
Speaker 4: you know, what you're taught is false or it's incomplete,
Speaker 4: they're like, oh my god, that's blasphemy.
Speaker 2: Right.
Speaker 4: So, so a lot of these scientists, you know, they're
Speaker 4: they're criticizing religion for not being rigorous, but they themselves
Speaker 4: act like priests, you know, they're they act like Pharisees
Speaker 4: or something. So anyway, the point is, if you expand
Speaker 4: Maxwell's equations and you don't use what's called the cool
Speaker 4: engauge or the Lorentz gauge. If you don't use those things,
Speaker 4: which is just those are ways of setting the divergence
Speaker 4: of the magnetic vector potential to zero. Okay, that's called
Speaker 4: the cool engage, or setting it to be the opposite
Speaker 4: of the partial time derivative of the voltage with respect
Speaker 4: to time. Either way, either either cancel the scale effects
Speaker 4: out or you set them both to zero, and you're
Speaker 4: only left with ordinary, non scalar physics. And that's what
Speaker 4: electro magnetic theory is nowadays. So anyway, if you don't
Speaker 4: do that, and you leave those things intact, and you
Speaker 4: leave them alone, and you incorporate those scaler things, then
Speaker 4: what you realize is, well, wait a minute, I can
Speaker 4: create fields that don't have an electric field associated with
Speaker 4: it or a magnetic field.
Speaker 3: Associated with it.
Speaker 4: All you have is a more deeper fundamental vector potential
Speaker 4: and scalar potential that normally give rise to those other fields,
Speaker 4: those main fields that we know. But in this case
Speaker 4: you're not. You're not giving rise to them. You're just
Speaker 4: leaving them alone and having them be what they are.
Speaker 4: So I sort of got into this in my last
Speaker 4: interview with you, where I talked about how the electric
Speaker 4: scalar potential when there's a gradient in it, because remember
Speaker 4: earlier were talking about when you get like like a
Speaker 4: different and thing, you get to flow between it.
Speaker 3: Say the same thing.
Speaker 4: If you've got one voltage here and you got like
Speaker 4: a lower voltage there, then you have a gradient in
Speaker 4: between them, and that gradient creates an electric force field.
Speaker 4: So you can you can think, right, yeah, yeah, yes, yeah,
Speaker 4: So the electric force field, you can think of it
Speaker 4: as a kind of accelerating ether flow. You know, between
Speaker 4: a positive charge and a negative charge.
Speaker 1: That's that's an asymmetry and a diepole too, right, any
Speaker 1: situation where you've got more charge on one side than
Speaker 1: you've got on the other side, Yeah.
Speaker 3: Well yeah, yeah, yes, yes.
Speaker 4: And also if you have a dipole where you got
Speaker 4: like a positive charge or negative charge. If so, imagine
Speaker 4: one is like a like a leaf flower and the
Speaker 4: other one's like a vacuum cleaner. Right, so on one's
Speaker 4: blowing and the other one is stuck in air. If
Speaker 4: you mount them on a stick and just leave them alone,
Speaker 4: they're actually gonna move through the air because it creates
Speaker 4: like a flow around the entire thing, like a like
Speaker 4: a smoke ring, a solenoid, and a smoke ring travels
Speaker 4: through the air because it's sort of like like like
Speaker 4: swimming its way through the air. That's that's what a
Speaker 4: smoke ring does.
Speaker 2: Why smokerings are doing that?
Speaker 1: And in a way, I realize that there's a lot
Speaker 1: more to smoke rings than what people have assumed, Like
Speaker 1: there's a specific reason for why smoke rings form the
Speaker 1: way that they do and the fractal nature when they
Speaker 1: kind of fall apart as well.
Speaker 4: Yeah, and you saw videos, right, you probably showed it
Speaker 4: to your audience where smokings collide.
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, it's.
Speaker 1: Super cool watch them Colyde and then they have this
Speaker 1: like ninety degree like where they make a smaller fractal
Speaker 1: version of themselves. And it's consistent.
Speaker 2: But every single time, what I wanted to ask on.
Speaker 1: The Thomas Townson Brown, Actually, let's go I want to
Speaker 1: actually change gears here for a second. Actually I want
Speaker 1: to ask you before I forget, and then I want
Speaker 1: to jump in and show you a video.
Speaker 2: What did you think about the UFO hearing?
Speaker 1: So, given all this information, this knowledge about science, your
Speaker 1: understanding of this technology, your research into it, your research
Speaker 1: into the alien phenomenon non human intelligence.
Speaker 2: What do you think about that hearing?
Speaker 4: I think it's a I think it's it's a token
Speaker 4: gesture towards the idea of disclosure, because if they really
Speaker 4: wanted to, if they really wanted.
Speaker 3: Disclosure, they could do it. You know, they probably could.
Speaker 4: But the thing is they put it out there in
Speaker 4: these little crumbs to so these people that are giving testimonies, right,
Speaker 4: they can only say so much before they start running
Speaker 4: into national security issues and NDAs.
Speaker 3: That they've signed.
Speaker 4: And that's why they're always like, well, I can tell
Speaker 4: you about this, but now I'll tell you about it
Speaker 4: in a skiff, because you know.
Speaker 3: The secured things.
Speaker 4: And then when they finally get into the skiff, they
Speaker 4: give them some bs, and then when they come out
Speaker 4: of it, people ask, well, what did he say in
Speaker 4: the skiff? And then well, we can't talk about it
Speaker 4: because it's it's you know, it's classified. So so the
Speaker 4: Congress people they get blocked, and these people testifying they
Speaker 4: can only say so much, even in a skiff, you know,
Speaker 4: So it's ultimately I think it's a clown show.
Speaker 3: I think it's so. On the one hand, it does
Speaker 3: add an air of.
Speaker 4: Credibility to the UFO subject, like, oh, there's people in
Speaker 4: uniform talking about what they've seen. And I guess for
Speaker 4: the normies of the people that are getting into eupology
Speaker 4: for the first time, it's good for them, like introduces
Speaker 4: it softens them, softens them up to the idea that hey,
Speaker 4: there's really something going on.
Speaker 3: So that's good.
Speaker 4: But for like the seasoned eupology researchers, we're like, oh
Speaker 4: my god, this is so elementary, like why are you
Speaker 4: not going where you should be going? Okay, but to
Speaker 4: their credit, they are going further than they ever have before,
Speaker 4: like all these other prior UFO flaps and stuff going
Speaker 4: back decades and decades.
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's it's more.
Speaker 4: But then again, I mean you think about like Stephen
Speaker 4: Greer and the Disclosure Project in the early two thousands,
Speaker 4: some of those yeah, yeah, yeah, some of those witnesses
Speaker 4: that came on and talk about things. That's a way
Speaker 4: beyond even what's going on currently in these congressional things.
Speaker 4: But then again, the current congressional thing is more official
Speaker 4: because back then it was more like some oh okay,
Speaker 4: just get some publicity, put them in Congress and have
Speaker 4: a big appearance of it. But nowadays, it's a little
Speaker 4: bit more has more teeth nowadays, but still not fully there.
Speaker 1: What do you think the national security issue is that
Speaker 1: they can't talk about? By the way, I totally agree
Speaker 1: with you that the big issue with a lot of
Speaker 1: these guys is that I don't think they're necessarily dishonest people,
Speaker 1: but they've just run into competing incentives where they now
Speaker 1: have NDAs. They can't speak about stuff. They would literally
Speaker 1: go to prison over it. What do you think they're hiding?
Speaker 4: A couple of things. One advanced technology, including admitting to
Speaker 4: what degree they themselves have some of that advanced technology.
Speaker 4: Because the thing is, if there have been crash retrievals,
Speaker 4: as David Grish and all these others have been talking about,
Speaker 4: there are crash retrievals, well who retrieved it, shadow military,
Speaker 4: the secret government, they've been using it, and so therefore,
Speaker 4: if they've been using it, have they developed some of
Speaker 4: that technology? And the answer is yes, And the next
Speaker 4: question is what have they been doing with that technology?
Speaker 4: What about these military abductions? I use portal technology and
Speaker 4: for my control purposes and sexual trafficking purposes and so on,
Speaker 4: web gun running and all that. Well, it leads also
Speaker 4: to a lot of liability because they used it to
Speaker 4: get up to a lot of no good, you know,
Speaker 4: a lot of illegal things and not to mention, not
Speaker 4: to mention, and I'm not the first one to point
Speaker 4: this out. Others have pointed it out that if you
Speaker 4: have one company like Lockheed Martin or something that gets
Speaker 4: access to this tech, but then another group like I
Speaker 4: don't know, Boeing or something did not get access because
Speaker 4: they weren't in with the crowd.
Speaker 3: Well, in Lockheed Martin, they've get over the years, they.
Speaker 4: Get billions and billions and billions of dollars of profits
Speaker 4: from that, whereas the other ones might have to shutter
Speaker 4: their doors because they didn't. Right, So if that truth
Speaker 4: were to come out about what really happened, they would
Speaker 4: have grounds to sue based on you know this, this
Speaker 4: this preferential treatment.
Speaker 3: So there's a huge, huge, huge liability risk to any
Speaker 3: of this coming out to all the people that were
Speaker 3: up to no good in this field. So you got that.
Speaker 3: You got also just the fact that the.
Speaker 4: Whole like ontological shock to humanity, it's not just the
Speaker 4: existence of aliens that's the issue. It is what they
Speaker 4: have been doing potentially in collusion with certain black ops groups,
Speaker 4: illegal stuff, stuff that is just inhuman and if that
Speaker 4: were to come out, yeah, it would. It would rock
Speaker 4: a lot of people's worlds. And also the economic consequences
Speaker 4: like free energy, anti gravity and all that would it
Speaker 4: would wreck It would wreck most of the economy right now.
Speaker 4: You know, maybe for good in the long run, but
Speaker 4: in the short term, Yeah, I would get really ugly.
Speaker 1: Was I actually going to ask you like or I
Speaker 1: was going to bring up the question about the civil
Speaker 1: liability because he asked the criminal liabilities one big assa.
Speaker 1: That's the flashy aspect by who have they been killing, silencing,
Speaker 1: quieting these free energy engineers and stuff like that. But
Speaker 1: there's a less nefarious side of it too, which is
Speaker 1: the civil liability, which is that, oh, maybe it's not
Speaker 1: just the government in the military with this technology. What
Speaker 1: if it's the defense contractors, And what if we gave
Speaker 1: Lockheed Martin this technology like fifty years ago. Now we're
Speaker 1: in a sea of crap where it's like, how do
Speaker 1: we get out of this without?
Speaker 2: You know, and there's.
Speaker 1: People who are accountable and responsible for a lot of
Speaker 1: of this stuff that happened, like the amount of legal
Speaker 1: issues are just huge. And then the bigger thing too,
Speaker 1: I love that you didn't bring up aliens at all,
Speaker 1: even though you're somebody that absolutely, I think believes that
Speaker 1: aliens are there's alien phenomenon happening here. Is that you
Speaker 1: look at and you realize that aliens aren't a national
Speaker 1: security issue. Of course, I mean at a higher political level,
Speaker 1: it's a it's a political issue that you have to
Speaker 1: deal with, but unless they're threatening to destroy our country,
Speaker 1: it's not really a national security issue. The national security
Speaker 1: issue is the impact of the technology, like you pointed out,
Speaker 1: like what would free energy do to our society? Potentially
Speaker 1: would change everything if we could leave the planet and
Speaker 1: go through a portal to Mars or Andromeda or somewhere,
Speaker 1: Like what does that do to our civilization? And those
Speaker 1: are the positive outlooks. There's people as well, and I
Speaker 1: want to get your thoughts on this, which is sal Pais,
Speaker 1: in a statement that he made and then also in
Speaker 1: the interview I did with him as well, really alluded
Speaker 1: to this idea that we've been developing technology to basically
Speaker 1: fight back against non human intelligence using a form of
Speaker 1: their technology that we have advanced in a way that
Speaker 1: they won't be prepared for I thought that was a
Speaker 1: pretty crazy idea, but I've learned to not doubt the
Speaker 1: man at this point. And it speaks to this idea
Speaker 1: of a prison planet that basically we've been reset, or
Speaker 1: we are being held down, and maybe after we reach
Speaker 1: a certain level of technological advancement, income the others and
Speaker 1: reset us back down to zero. What is your thoughts
Speaker 1: on that philosophy, that mindset.
Speaker 4: Yeah, so the thing is, our technological progress has been
Speaker 4: it's definitely been accelerating, and I think, as I mentioned earlier,
Speaker 4: it would have still continued even without any help by
Speaker 4: non human intelligences. I guess I think we're still going
Speaker 4: to accelerate upwards. And the problem is when we get
Speaker 4: beyond a certain point, we start infringing on their asymmetric
Speaker 4: power advantage. Okay, I'm talking about these these alien civizations
Speaker 4: or factions or something. So we become a threat, but
Speaker 4: at the same time, for some of these highly efficient
Speaker 4: predatory factions, we also become an opportunity because if we
Speaker 4: become sufficiently technologically advanced and they gain control of us,
Speaker 4: then we are advanced to run our own prison planet
Speaker 4: for them. You know, once we got satellites. When we've
Speaker 4: got ships in our brains and you know, cameras everywhere
Speaker 4: AI monitoring our every move and our every thought. We
Speaker 4: lock ourselves down and so we kind of, you know,
Speaker 4: wrap ourselves up in this in this this birthday wrapping paper,
Speaker 4: put a bow on it and hand it over to
Speaker 4: this controlling alien civilization. And they don't have to lift
Speaker 4: a finger. I mean, you know, to be highly intelligent
Speaker 4: and highly efficient and highly predatory, that's what that would involve.
Speaker 4: It wouldn't involve like like doing a Blitzkreek on a
Speaker 4: planet and taking.
Speaker 3: It by force.
Speaker 4: You wuld do it through subtle manipulation, but possibly over centuries,
Speaker 4: you know, manipulating religions, belief systems, political ideologies. I mean,
Speaker 4: for all I know, Marxism was invented by something non
Speaker 4: human to fool humans. You know, something something smarter has
Speaker 4: to fool humans in order to create something that fools
Speaker 4: most smart humans. And the same thing with like string
Speaker 4: theory for example, right string theory was his name Witten
Speaker 4: or something like that. The people that came up with it,
Speaker 4: oh man, they had to be so smart to come
Speaker 4: up with that theory. But if the theory is false,
Speaker 4: and if it is deceptive, then they have to be
Speaker 4: even smarter than these these one hundred and sixty IQ
Speaker 4: PhDs that study string theory for their entire careers. You
Speaker 4: know what I mean, You got to be smarter than
Speaker 4: the smartest humans. Yeah, yeah, so and so so the
Speaker 4: deception system that is in place, whether we're talking about archaeology, genetics, physics,
Speaker 4: you know, technology engineering, it is so well crafted that
Speaker 4: to me, it seems to me that it would have
Speaker 4: to have an even higher superior intelligence to craft it
Speaker 4: to fool our best and brightest for so long, you know.
Speaker 4: So that's another reason why I do think that aliens
Speaker 4: might have had a hand in, you know, some of
Speaker 4: the suppression, because obviously they would. They would also stand
Speaker 4: to lose from us developing let's say, free energy, anti gravity,
Speaker 4: because when we'd be able to go to their territories,
Speaker 4: we'd become problems for them. Right We've become problems for them,
Speaker 4: whereas right now we're nicely tucked away on this little
Speaker 4: blue marble and we're not really a problem, and we're
Speaker 4: like a We're like a nice fish pond that they
Speaker 4: just come by and take a little fish out when
Speaker 4: they need to. And but once the fish grow legs
Speaker 4: and start arming themselves with guns and start you know,
Speaker 4: going on their lines, and that becomes a problem.
Speaker 1: So what scares me though about that is that it, yeah,
Speaker 1: like it makes sense, is that you would wait until
Speaker 1: they reached a level where they're a threat and then
Speaker 1: you would just come down and wipe them out. Or
Speaker 1: if you're smart, you don't even need to use force,
Speaker 1: like you said, you just manipulate, psychologically, manipulate the movements
Speaker 1: of the civilization, kind of like in the first Batman
Speaker 1: Batman Begins movie where the evil organizations like, we used
Speaker 1: a new weapon economics to take down civilizations, and you
Speaker 1: look at what the CIA already does, and you go,
Speaker 1: they already do these activities.
Speaker 3: Oh yeah, yeah.
Speaker 1: The CIA guy, Kevin Ship, he was just on with
Speaker 1: Candice Owens. He even mentioned that image U seven zero videos,
Speaker 1: and right before he did, he mentioned how the CIA's
Speaker 1: basic motto is like it's a matter of plausible deniability.
Speaker 1: They can do anything they want as long as they
Speaker 1: don't make the government look bad. And you realize something
Speaker 1: like that is possible, and you go, well, why not
Speaker 1: non human intelligence? Maybe they are manipulating us behind the
Speaker 1: scenes from the shadows, like the little puppet masters, so
Speaker 1: to speak. It even speaks to Plato's cave, you know,
Speaker 1: the shadows on the walls instead of seeing the true reality.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 4: Well, well, you know what, before we move on, like
Speaker 4: think about this, we talk about we think about the
Speaker 4: government or the shadow military reverse engineering alien technologies. Right,
Speaker 4: so that's pretty much accepted with an euthology that sort
Speaker 4: of thing is happening. But what about them reverse engineering
Speaker 4: alien methods of control, psychological control, cultural control, you know,
Speaker 4: political maneuvering, and so on. What if they learned from
Speaker 4: that as well and are applying it to us. Maybe
Speaker 4: that is part of the basis of why the CIA
Speaker 4: operates the way it does. You know, I mean, CIA
Speaker 4: traces back to well to several things, but but also
Speaker 4: some of the Nazis that were brought over from World
Speaker 4: War Two. There's a lot of rumors about the Nazis
Speaker 4: having had interactions with non human beings to get some
Speaker 4: of their technology and so on, and that's why they
Speaker 4: accelerated so quickly between like nineteen thirty and nineteen forties.
Speaker 4: Who knows who I mean, maybe there's something uh something
Speaker 4: to that.
Speaker 1: Yeah, the Nazi thing is really interesting to me. It
Speaker 1: was something that I wanted to dismiss as kind of
Speaker 1: a conspiratorial people are trying to connect dots that don't exist.
Speaker 1: But then you find out about Operation paper Clip, and
Speaker 1: you find out like Friedberg. Win Winnenberg was one of
Speaker 1: the guys that was brought over when he was like
Speaker 1: fifteen from a project paper Clip from Germany, and he
Speaker 1: studied under Werner Heisenberg, like the Heisenberg of Heisenberg's uncertainty principle.
Speaker 1: Oh and by the way, he also believes in a
Speaker 1: plank ether or a hypothesis, which is basically exactly what
Speaker 1: we've been talking about and this whole zero point energy
Speaker 1: field thing. So I've wanted to dismiss it. But the
Speaker 1: more we look back, the further this thing really goes,
Speaker 1: and it does go back to like even the early
Speaker 1: nineteen hundreds, which is does make you wonder if there's
Speaker 1: something else at play. I don't really know where it's
Speaker 1: coming from, but it's interesting.
Speaker 4: Well, I was listening to an interview recently with Eugene
Speaker 4: put Klutenoff.
Speaker 1: You know, anyway, there was an inter superconductors. By the way,
Speaker 1: for people that are out there and and and basically
Speaker 1: was doing the same stuff Ning Lee was doing in
Speaker 1: the nineties of researching y CBO hy b C why
Speaker 1: CBO superconductors for anti gravity.
Speaker 4: Yeah, if you guys want to like check out what
Speaker 4: is the latest cutting edge in public publicly accessible anti gravity,
Speaker 4: I would I would point them to put Klutenoff because
Speaker 4: he was an he's an experimental physicist. So experimental means
Speaker 4: you're not just pen on paper, you're actually doing it
Speaker 4: for real, and he's he's got it. Like and so
Speaker 4: he was asked in the interview how he began or
Speaker 4: how how he discovered this sort of stuff. He mentioned
Speaker 4: I think if I remember correctly, that his dad during
Speaker 4: World War Two got access to some of the papers
Speaker 4: that the Nazi scientists really developed. Yeah, some of those
Speaker 4: patents and papers and you know, things like that, And
Speaker 4: so Pakolatnov during his early years was trying to study those,
Speaker 4: trying to reverse engineer it, trying to figure out how
Speaker 4: it worked. And then it took him like two three
Speaker 4: decades and he finally got it. And so that's why
Speaker 4: he was even doing the experiments that he was doing
Speaker 4: with like rotating superconductors and other rotating things because he
Speaker 4: was trying to apply what he reversed engineering from some
Speaker 4: of these Nazi Nazi papers about playing anti gravity ships
Speaker 4: and so on.
Speaker 1: Yeah, spin and magnetism, especially super conductivity is it's quantum
Speaker 1: effect on the macroscopic scale, So it shouldn't be surprising
Speaker 1: that it's connected to this, especially at the universe is electorate.
Speaker 2: Do you know when that interview happened? How long ago it.
Speaker 3: Was, I'm guessing a couple of years. I'll link it.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it tends to me later that sounds great.
Speaker 1: Now, there was an interview that I want to share
Speaker 1: a couple of just a few minutes of the clip
Speaker 1: with you, that was on a Project Unity's channel four
Speaker 1: years ago, and so this predates my emergence on the
Speaker 1: scene of the UFO phenomenon. What have you? And I
Speaker 1: listened to this and it sort of blew my mind.
Speaker 1: Just to set the background for it. It's from somebody
Speaker 1: who just calls himself mister X. You can hear their
Speaker 1: voice that don't use a voice change or anything like that.
Speaker 1: If you know who they are, please let me know.
Speaker 1: And they talk about the Saphire projects and how put
Speaker 1: off and they talk specifically about plasma more specifically, they
Speaker 1: talk about exotic vacuum objects, which is something that Ken's
Speaker 1: shoulders discovered in the late eighties, around the same time
Speaker 1: that Pons and Fleischmann made their announcement of cold fusion.
Speaker 1: And this guy, from listening to this, he's clearly in
Speaker 1: the know. This isn't some random person off the street,
Speaker 1: like he knows these people. He knows all the players,
Speaker 1: he's clearly worked with some of them. But he also
Speaker 1: sounds like a pretty young guy. There was a specific
Speaker 1: part in this interview, a couple of parts actually that
Speaker 1: I thought were just huge moments, but one part I
Speaker 1: thought you needed to listen to here, which was really interesting.
Speaker 1: So let's go ahead and play this for you. So
Speaker 1: here is the video, mister ax.
Speaker 2: Here's the clue.
Speaker 5: A paper online called a Brief Introduction to scaler Physics.
Speaker 5: His name is Thomas Mendeleth, and it's called a Brief
Speaker 5: Introduction to scalar Physics. It's a great document and he
Speaker 5: has done a ton of research where he lays out
Speaker 5: how gravity, mass, inertia, even time itself is controlled by
Speaker 5: the scaler invector potentials. And he has written a very
Speaker 5: good paper on this, and he has a website at
Speaker 5: mond talk dot net m O N e A l
Speaker 5: A dot net and there's a section on scaler physics.
Speaker 5: But this guy has posted a lot of information and
Speaker 5: I think he's a genius. And he explains this with
Speaker 5: illustrations and graphics so that the ordinary person can comprehend it.
Speaker 5: And you know, and one thing, A couple more things
Speaker 5: about the flux line I want I want to mention
Speaker 5: what's so critical is there's a lot of talk today
Speaker 5: and upology about UFOs require these super advanced meta materials
Speaker 5: with nano layer. Yeah, that's not required to build anti
Speaker 5: gravity vehicles. And I don't think all UFOs had such
Speaker 5: exact meta materials. Some probably did, but I don't think
Speaker 5: they all did. I think the idea that you that
Speaker 5: we have to master the production of these execty meta
Speaker 5: materials to produce some anti gravity craft, it's a flat
Speaker 5: out line.
Speaker 3: Do you think do you think?
Speaker 2: Sorry?
Speaker 1: I was okay, So first of all, Wow, you just
Speaker 1: got at a shot out there.
Speaker 2: Have you not seen that?
Speaker 3: I didn't know that he did an interview with you?
Speaker 3: Was that your interview?
Speaker 4: Oh?
Speaker 1: That was an interview with with Unity. Yeah, and this
Speaker 1: is again from four years ago. And all of a
Speaker 1: sudden he had been talking. He started talking about scaler
Speaker 1: fields and he name drops you. I think right before
Speaker 1: that he was started talking about Maxwell's equations as well,
Speaker 1: like everybody seems to.
Speaker 3: Has he ever reached out to you.
Speaker 1: No, he has not reached out to me. I would
Speaker 1: love if mister X is out there watching. I would
Speaker 1: love to talk to mister X and then the other
Speaker 1: I let that play for another minute or so because
Speaker 1: I wanted to get you or feedback on that claim.
Speaker 1: This is something that I've been struggling to reconcile, which
Speaker 1: is when you talk about the energy source, is the
Speaker 1: energy source external like the zero point energy field or
Speaker 1: is there some other fuel that they have that is
Speaker 1: somehow getting around the limitation of E equals mc squared.
Speaker 1: And the faster you move something, the more you know
Speaker 1: energy it takes.
Speaker 2: What is your thought on, you know?
Speaker 1: And this also speaks to Bob Blazar and Element one fifteen.
Speaker 1: What we're really down here is is there an element
Speaker 1: one fifteen or you know, we just call it mysterious
Speaker 1: fuel source or do you think it's just directly coming
Speaker 1: from the environment the zero point energy field?
Speaker 4: Yeah, So personally, I don't really believe in the element
Speaker 4: one fifteen theory. I mean, obviously element one fifteen can
Speaker 4: be produced in the lab, and it has been, but
Speaker 4: I don't think but but I don't think that it's
Speaker 4: something that's mass producible and that it plays a role
Speaker 4: in an anti gravity ship as Bob as Our. As
Speaker 4: Bob as Our claims, you know, and he himself when
Speaker 4: he claims that stuff, I think he was going off
Speaker 4: of recovered memories because he had had some weird memory.
Speaker 4: Remember earlier I was talking about people going to the
Speaker 4: Black Ops programs and they come out of it and
Speaker 4: they don't remember what they did during that time when
Speaker 4: they were in. Well, that's a common thing, and if
Speaker 4: Bob Bazar is legit, then he probably underwent a similar
Speaker 4: sort of memory white procedure. And so therefore anything that
Speaker 4: he does remember, either it's incomplete or it could be
Speaker 4: a screen memory that was put there to cover up
Speaker 4: for the real thing that actually happened.
Speaker 3: Possibly, I don't know.
Speaker 4: Okay, So I don't know if Eleman one fifteen is
Speaker 4: real dealent, But I would say that there are different
Speaker 4: types of technologies for producing similar effects in terms of
Speaker 4: time warping, propulsion getting free energy. There are different methods,
Speaker 4: but they're not an infinite number of different methods. You
Speaker 4: can sort of categorize them into Okay, you're using this
Speaker 4: principle of physics. Okay, he just uses that principle, and
Speaker 4: they're closely related, but there's slightly different, especially especially when
Speaker 4: it comes to propulsion, like for example, the Towns and
Speaker 4: Brown stuff Bifail brown effect. That's a different mechanism from
Speaker 4: what pod Kletnov was doing with a rotating superconductors or
Speaker 4: rotating magnetic fields.
Speaker 3: They both lead to propulsion, right, but they're but they're different.
Speaker 4: And mister X, yeah, I'm familiar with with that individual.
Speaker 4: He he Yeah, he's talking about the flux liner, the
Speaker 4: flu the ARV Alien reproduction vehicle flex liner that Mark
Speaker 4: McAndlish was talking about. Yeah, that's an interesting thing because
Speaker 4: if you look at it, you see different components, you
Speaker 4: can sort of start to guess how it works. Like,
Speaker 4: for example, there's a coil around the top and then
Speaker 4: there's a rotating disc in there, so that's a homopolar generator.
Speaker 3: Okay, that's what that is.
Speaker 4: And then at the bottom there are these these crystalline
Speaker 4: capacitor layers you know, like in a fanned grid array
Speaker 4: sort of like that, and the probably bifail brown gravitators
Speaker 4: that's probably what they are, so like high voltage gravitators
Speaker 4: that could be like changed in direction, combined with some
Speaker 4: sort of a homopolar thing, which I don't know if
Speaker 4: that was just to generate extremely high currents or if
Speaker 4: it you know, functioned additionally for it for its own reasons,
Speaker 4: but they're there's a certain logic behind various propulsion methods,
Speaker 4: and the same thing also goes for energy. I think
Speaker 4: in some cases it is definitely tapping it from the
Speaker 4: zero point energy field just that. But here's a problem.
Speaker 4: When you tap it from the zero point energy field,
Speaker 4: you are changing the zero point energy field in your
Speaker 4: local region.
Speaker 3: You're changing it.
Speaker 4: You know, you're extracting, you're converting energy from one domain
Speaker 4: to another domain. And so therefore, know one domain goes
Speaker 4: up and the other domain goes down, and so that
Speaker 4: can lead to some very weird, very weird effects like
Speaker 4: for example, one example that comes to mind is a
Speaker 4: guy named Leon Sprink s P R I n K.
Speaker 3: Leon Sprink. Have you ever heard of Leon Sprink?
Speaker 2: I don't think so.
Speaker 4: I think he was a He was a chemist. I
Speaker 4: don't know if he was Russian or French or something,
Speaker 4: but this is like many many decades ago. Anyway, he
Speaker 4: figured out a process where if you construct a wooden
Speaker 4: frame and you put electrodes in there at an x
Speaker 4: X pattern electrodes, and you give it like one hundred
Speaker 4: and fifty thousand volts, you just kind of let it run.
Speaker 4: If you let it run for hours, if not days,
Speaker 4: all of a sudden you start getting an ex banning
Speaker 4: field of altered ether, you could say, where chemical processes
Speaker 4: would go way faster than they would normally. And so
Speaker 4: he used his process in order to speed up chemical
Speaker 4: processing of cement, like a cemmetri factory, you know, whether
Speaker 4: the making lime or whatever they make for for making cement.
Speaker 4: He was able to use this process to alter the
Speaker 4: ether itself in order to alter chemical processes to you know,
Speaker 4: speed up industrial production.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 4: Yeah, But but the reason why I mentioned that is
Speaker 4: because his arrangement of electrodes electrodes was doing something to
Speaker 4: the ether that was altering it, and one of the
Speaker 4: effects was alteration of chemical processes. Now, there are other
Speaker 4: alterations that can happen. You can have alterations where the
Speaker 4: weather itself gets disturbed. And there's a on rex research
Speaker 4: dot com there's an article about David Wells W E. L. L. S.
Speaker 4: David Wells. He's a guy who tried to replicate the
Speaker 4: Newman machine, the Newman free Energy machine, which is like
Speaker 4: a big massive Joseph Newman. So Joseph Newman his free
Speaker 4: energy machine, which is a big coil wire with like
Speaker 4: a rotating magnet on the inside to generate electricity, and
Speaker 4: according to Newman, it generated more power out than in.
Speaker 4: And he almost got it, got it patented, but basically
Speaker 4: people working for the men in Black, you know, men
Speaker 4: in black and quotes, shut it down and they denied
Speaker 4: him the patterns. I think, yeah, yeah so, But but
Speaker 4: the thing is with with his device. David Wells tried
Speaker 4: to replicate it, but he did it differently, with like
Speaker 4: rotating magnets in like a different kind of oil situation.
Speaker 4: He found that his machine when he turned it on,
Speaker 4: it cut a hole like like a like a not
Speaker 4: a hole, but a but a channel through the cloud
Speaker 4: layer in the sky above. Yeah, consistently, you know it.
Speaker 4: It would open up a hole like wherever the sun
Speaker 4: was and the machine was the path in between what
Speaker 4: a hole would open up.
Speaker 3: He found that that effect.
Speaker 4: He found that water bottles in his refrigerator and beer
Speaker 4: like in the bar across the street, they would burst
Speaker 4: because they would freeze at regular refrigeration temperatures. Now, I myself,
Speaker 4: I did an experiment a couple of years ago where
Speaker 4: I had a rotating aluminum disk and a magnet on it. It
Speaker 4: was for a different experiment, but I was just like
Speaker 4: like testing eddy current effects and like magnetic dragging and
Speaker 4: so on. Well, when I whenever I did that, stuff
Speaker 4: from the refrigerator would undergo some really really weird changes.
Speaker 4: Like water bottles. Water bottles that I put in the
Speaker 4: freezer would not freeze. They would become super cooled, so
Speaker 4: they wouldn't freeze. They would stay liquid even at like
Speaker 4: like like like it was like five degrees above zero,
Speaker 4: you know, fair Knight, Yeah, yeah, and eggs would explode,
Speaker 4: like we would freeze and they're above freezing temperature, but
Speaker 4: they would they would you know, solidify and they would
Speaker 4: crack the shells and just just other weird stuff. So
Speaker 4: there is a kind of energy that affects the ether,
Speaker 4: that alters the I'm guessing intramolecular forces, probably changing the
Speaker 4: very constants of physics themselves, you know, the electric primitivity,
Speaker 4: the magnetic permeability, those things depending on the properties of
Speaker 4: the ether itself. And there are methods of altering the ether,
Speaker 4: and some of those methods happen inadvertently when you try
Speaker 4: to tap energy from the ether. So certain free energy devices,
Speaker 4: they're not just spinning out energy, they're probably also altering
Speaker 4: the local etheric conditions, which then affect the physical consonance
Speaker 4: of physics.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and this is where I wanted to get into
Speaker 1: the next clip from the same mister X interview. So,
Speaker 1: and we're not gonna have time to watch it all,
Speaker 1: so I'll just give you and the viewers kind of
Speaker 1: the framework here is that they talk a lot about
Speaker 1: exotic vacuum objects. Zogic vacuum objects are balls of plasma.
Speaker 1: Ken's shoulders discovered from my research. Specifically, I would say
Speaker 1: Paul SI's is the number one witness. He's now dead,
Speaker 1: died in twenty thirteen. He was an aeronautics engineer. He
Speaker 1: spoke specifically about hypersonic vehicles and crafts, and they use
Speaker 1: a plasma sheath, and this is how they reduce the
Speaker 1: drag in front of them, and actually it has this
Speaker 1: propulsive effect to it as well. I speculate that we
Speaker 1: figured out at some point around when Ken Shoulders was
Speaker 1: doing his research that we don't need a craft for
Speaker 1: a spy plane anymore. We can use a ball of
Speaker 1: energy with some mechanical device in the middle of it
Speaker 1: to get all the same effects that we want from
Speaker 1: our spyplane. But we can get it now in a
Speaker 1: drone and possibly even using how Pudoff's patent, which literally
Speaker 1: says in it that it can communicate through plasma to
Speaker 1: communicate and control the drone. And why is this huge? Well,
Speaker 1: the nature of these plasmas are that they have an
Speaker 1: extremely high charge density, extremely high. They also have a
Speaker 1: natural asymmetry. We were talking about asymmetries and how it
Speaker 1: creates this pressure or with electric field. They have a
Speaker 1: natural asymmetry where electrons are not repelling each other, they're
Speaker 1: not neutralizing within the plasma like you would expect, which
Speaker 1: to me is like basically an unlimited battery. So you've
Speaker 1: got this thing that can produce a huge amount of
Speaker 1: charge relative to its size. It's got these self organizing
Speaker 1: and self sustaining properties, meaning that it forms a torus
Speaker 1: that forms a sphere, and then after that it sustains itself.
Speaker 1: So Ken's Shoulders called them exotic vacuum objects because he
Speaker 1: believed they must be cohering energy from the vacuum in
Speaker 1: order to be sustainable like this. So I bring this
Speaker 1: up because I think that you may have some insights
Speaker 1: into it. I don't know how much you know about
Speaker 1: the plasma stuff. I want you to listen to this
Speaker 1: guy talk about it for a couple of minutes. I
Speaker 1: think that somebody figured out that there's probably several different
Speaker 1: ways to do with microwaves, RF waves or just being
Speaker 1: able to produce some kind of standing wave within the
Speaker 1: plasma that allows it to become coherent where now it
Speaker 1: can just float freely. But also what happens is it
Speaker 1: changes the permittivity of space. The plasma itself being there
Speaker 1: pushes out the zero point energy. So to really bring
Speaker 1: this all around, why does this connect to hal Putoff?
Speaker 1: Because how Putoff was writing the papers explaining these concepts,
Speaker 1: and Ken Schulders wrote a paper and by the way,
Speaker 1: he was partners with hal Putoff. Ken and Shoulders wrote
Speaker 1: a paper called Permittivity Transitions where he says that basically
Speaker 1: he realized in nineteen eighty that from a paper by Bergstrom,
Speaker 1: the paper was from nineteen seventy three, that there really
Speaker 1: is an ether. And then if there really is an
Speaker 1: ether and there really is a medium, now we can
Speaker 1: start playing around with the medium. We can play around
Speaker 1: with the permittivity of free space, which changes the speed
Speaker 1: of light. And I think it's really interesting because based
Speaker 1: on what you were just talking about with time and
Speaker 1: you know, having these collisions that were happening more often,
Speaker 1: like you know, somehow they were manipulating time with these experiments,
Speaker 1: with this energy that they were creating with their electrodes,
Speaker 1: is that this is also, in my opinion, the answer
Speaker 1: to cold fusion and fusion in general. I don't think
Speaker 1: hot fusion is ever gonna work. I think that with
Speaker 1: hot fusion we were like, let's just heat it up
Speaker 1: and then there'll be more collisions because there's more energy.
Speaker 1: But we should have been thinking about in terms of time,
Speaker 1: which is, if we manipulate the rate of time, then
Speaker 1: we're gonna have more collisions and we don't need temperature
Speaker 1: for that at all. It can be cold. This is
Speaker 1: something where sal Pais has been saying on a lot
Speaker 1: of interviews, even going back a year ago. It's all
Speaker 1: about cold plasma. So before we watch this clip, I
Speaker 1: would postulate to you to think about it, and to
Speaker 1: the audience to think about what if we discovered some
Speaker 1: natural phenomenon plasma that has properties that we can't recreate
Speaker 1: with meta materials, at least not now. Maybe a civilization's
Speaker 1: like a thousand years more advanced than us can do it,
Speaker 1: but right now we just don't have the material science
Speaker 1: for it. But we found the workaround, which is that
Speaker 1: we can make this ball of plasma and now we
Speaker 1: can get a lot of the same magical effects that
Speaker 1: normally we would have to be like a thousand years
Speaker 1: more advanced for. This is what the context I want
Speaker 1: you to have when we listen to this, because I
Speaker 1: think this guy worked with Hal Pudoff on the Saffire project,
Speaker 1: and I think the Saffire project was basically a front
Speaker 1: for this EVO plasma research.
Speaker 2: So let's play this clip here.
Speaker 1: It's like two or three perfect sense.
Speaker 5: But now if you have the self organizing plasma and
Speaker 5: it's producing an EVO in this central column, it could
Speaker 5: develop this super conducting double layer which would almost be
Speaker 5: like a layer of electrons that have formed Cooper pairs
Speaker 5: and become super conducting. Now what's so interesting about that is,
Speaker 5: I believe from the research I have done, that it's
Speaker 5: a super conducting state which is highly interactive with the
Speaker 5: vacuum with the zero poin energy field, and basically you
Speaker 5: can create a bubble of what's called magnetic vector potential
Speaker 5: around the craft. Now, this is a very important concept
Speaker 5: I want to get across here about magnetic vector potential.
Speaker 5: See Originally, Maxwell back in the eighteen hundreds produced the
Speaker 5: first theory of electromagnetism of electrodynamics, and in his original theory,
Speaker 5: the primary movers of electromagnetism was the scalar potential and
Speaker 5: the vector potential. And forget the term potential, that's really
Speaker 5: not a good descriptor of this, but the scalar potential.
Speaker 5: Just imagine for a moment that there's a river and
Speaker 5: you're underneath the surface of the of the river. The
Speaker 5: scalar potential would be the pressure of the water all
Speaker 5: around you pushing against your body. That's the scaler or
Speaker 5: the static potential that's always there. The vector potential would
Speaker 5: be the force of the current flowing against your body,
Speaker 5: pushing against you in a specific direction, a specific vector.
Speaker 5: That's the vector potential. The magnetic and electric fields are
Speaker 5: just various manifestations of the scaler in vector potentials. A
Speaker 5: magnetic field is just a curled vector potential, for example.
Speaker 5: And so with the flux liner, you're creating a bubble
Speaker 5: of vector potential around the craft.
Speaker 2: Right.
Speaker 5: Then if you pulse it, because remember the flux liner
Speaker 5: was designed as like a high frequency Tesla core, if
Speaker 5: you pulse it, that creates another gradient in the vector potential,
Speaker 5: which is critical. Also, if you make this bubble asymmetrical
Speaker 5: in shape, that's important. By creating another level of a gradient, also,
Speaker 5: you can even do things. There's a secondary propulsion system
Speaker 5: in the flux liner. Two, which were the dielectric materials.
Speaker 5: At the very base, they were these copper It was
Speaker 5: layers of copper and dielectric. Copper and dielectric this green material.
Speaker 5: And basically what makes perfect sense for this green material,
Speaker 5: the dielectric material would have been dope, very impightenent tightening,
Speaker 5: and it would have had a high K value, which
Speaker 5: would be a high capacity of value. And what's so
Speaker 5: interesting about this is that type of ferroelectric material can
Speaker 5: have a natural nonlinearity about it. So you have all
Speaker 5: these ways of adding an additional gradient, so you have
Speaker 5: the natural property of the EVO to be highly interactive
Speaker 5: with the vector potential. And then you have all these
Speaker 5: extra gradients from being pulsed at high frequency and having
Speaker 5: the shape of the craft and having the properties of
Speaker 5: the dielectric, and it all contributes to having a higher
Speaker 5: pressure on one side, a weaker pressure on the other side,
Speaker 5: and creating a net movement. Because gravity, this is a
Speaker 5: key concept. I want your listeners to grasp gravity, mass
Speaker 5: in in inertia are all electrical phenomena. They are all
Speaker 5: manifestations of the scaler invector potentials.
Speaker 1: So now you see why I wanted you to listen
Speaker 1: to that. Right, you are already dropping a lot of
Speaker 1: those terms of this interview. And I was sitting here like,
Speaker 1: I don't want to spoil what I'm about the place.
Speaker 1: What do you think?
Speaker 2: What do you think it was? Understanding he's a big.
Speaker 5: Thing for you.
Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, So I've written about those things, and I'm
Speaker 4: sure he's thought about it and researched it himself and
Speaker 4: probably incorporated it into his understanding of how let's say
Speaker 4: the flex liner works. So you know, ka, kudos to
Speaker 4: him for for applying it in such a original and
Speaker 4: creative way, you know, like insightful way. Insightful way because
Speaker 4: because for example, earlier when I talked about the flex
Speaker 4: liner and how the bottom layer was like a Bifield
Speaker 4: brown capacitor kind of a thing, he talks about how
Speaker 4: they had different layers and how they were doped. Okay, now,
Speaker 4: what when what does you mean by doping? Dope means
Speaker 4: you have the different layers have different k's, different dielectric constants,
Speaker 4: and so when you put an electric field through the
Speaker 4: stack of layers, the electric field here is going to
Speaker 4: be different from the one here, different from the one
Speaker 4: There's got a compression in that direction. Okay, it's compression
Speaker 4: in that direction, and that creates a linear well quote
Speaker 4: unquote linear nonlinearity in the electric field. And so when
Speaker 4: you have non linearities in the electric field, you're you're
Speaker 4: generating something new.
Speaker 1: Okay.
Speaker 4: So the same way that a gradient in the voltage
Speaker 4: leads to an electric field, well, a gradient which is
Speaker 4: really a divergence in the electric field leads to X
Speaker 4: to something else, which is probably electro gravitation. You know,
Speaker 4: it's probably what it is.
Speaker 2: Now.
Speaker 4: A lot of these things they are evident within the equations.
Speaker 4: So ultimately a lot of the stuff is in the math.
Speaker 4: So if you can, if you understand the mathematics, then
Speaker 4: you can look at an equation and you can say, okay,
Speaker 4: well that part there corresponds to this physical process, and
Speaker 4: if I want to apply it, this is the sort
Speaker 4: of physical experiment or set up that I have to
Speaker 4: do in order to make it be that way.
Speaker 2: Right.
Speaker 4: So one of the theories that I had in that
Speaker 4: in my paper A brief introduction to scalear physics, is
Speaker 4: that the divergence of the magnetic vector potential, in other words,
Speaker 4: in other words, how much this water flow that he's
Speaker 4: talking about diverges or converges upon a point in a
Speaker 4: radial direction. This expansion or contraction of the ether corresponds
Speaker 4: or is inter related in some way to the gravitational
Speaker 4: potential and therefore also to the rate of time itself.
Speaker 4: So what this means is, if you can control the
Speaker 4: vector potential, which you can do through charge densities and
Speaker 4: through currents and just arranging them in a certain geometric way,
Speaker 4: if you can control that then you can control the
Speaker 4: gravitational potential, and therefore you can control time as well.
Speaker 4: Then it's just a matter of how much charge density
Speaker 4: you can compact into a certain space and how much
Speaker 4: you can make it modulate. And so that's exactly what
Speaker 4: you're talking about with those plasmoids, those stable plasma things,
Speaker 4: where that is nature's own mechanism for compacting as much
Speaker 4: charges as possible into the smallest volume. Okay, that's how
Speaker 4: you get the greatest charge density. And so when you
Speaker 4: have such a high level of charge density and you
Speaker 4: modulate its size, that is a way of generating radial
Speaker 4: longitudinal waves.
Speaker 1: Wow, that's mind blowing to think about, and it makes
Speaker 1: a lot of sense. It's like, I love the thing
Speaker 1: you just said about nature. It's like nature's way of
Speaker 1: fitting the most charge into that region. When I first
Speaker 1: spoke to Salpayis, my first thought was, like I kept
Speaker 1: thinking I was on all on board the meta material
Speaker 1: thing alien, you know, when they figured out somewhere must
Speaker 1: be a meta material. But doesn't it just make so
Speaker 1: much more sense that nature is going to have the
Speaker 1: most efficient mechanism and it's not going to be some
Speaker 1: material that we've got. You know that to me makes
Speaker 1: the most sense out of all of it. And then
Speaker 1: when I heard him talking about these ideas, these cold plasmas,
Speaker 1: and you know, I look back at that make streets
Speaker 1: of and zero videos and I'm just going, Wow, this
Speaker 1: is really the answer, because this is where Sal Sal's
Speaker 1: whole paise effect is that he's saying that to your point,
Speaker 1: what is what is the amount of energy you can
Speaker 1: fit electromagnetic flux you can fit within a region of
Speaker 1: space time? Sal's thing is that the most is the
Speaker 1: Swinger limit. Is that once you hit the Swinger limit
Speaker 1: Julian Schwinger Nobel Prize winner nineteen sixty five, when you
Speaker 1: hit that level of energy density, you're breaking through the
Speaker 1: fabric of reality. You could argue you're like looking at
Speaker 1: the true nothingness at that point. You're looking down through
Speaker 1: whatever the ether is. You're looking at it at that point.
Speaker 1: So yeah, I think that. And then this also speaks
Speaker 1: to the idea of these evos. What they're doing then
Speaker 1: is they're changing the permittivity of space time in that region.
Speaker 1: That's going to manipulate the speed of light in that region.
Speaker 1: And now it's you know, now, what do you have?
Speaker 1: You have a ball of energy floating around. And the
Speaker 1: other thing that I realized, I'm curious you get your
Speaker 1: thoughts on all of this, is that one of the
Speaker 1: biggest scientific things that I found was something called the
Speaker 1: dynamic Kasmir effect. You hear people talk about the Kasimir
Speaker 1: effect all the time in this topic, and why because
Speaker 1: it proves zero point energy is real for the people
Speaker 1: out there going well, is zero point energy even real? Yes,
Speaker 1: the Lamb shift proves it's real, Kasimir effect proves it's real,
Speaker 1: Aaron off Bom effect proves it's real. All these things
Speaker 1: prove there's something there. Why does science ignore them?
Speaker 2: I don't know.
Speaker 1: I don't really care at the end of the day.
Speaker 1: But this energy level, if we can break through this,
Speaker 1: then we can create these types of effects that we've
Speaker 1: been writing about in physics, which is like wormholes, you know, portals,
Speaker 1: things like that. They require these huge amounts of energy
Speaker 1: to pull off. So what is your thoughts and you
Speaker 1: have any other background thoughts or anything I haven't brought
Speaker 1: up about evos in general, And oh sorry, I forgot
Speaker 1: The other thing I was gonna say about the dynamic
Speaker 1: Asmir effect is that they think the dynamic Casmir effect.
Speaker 1: They being physicists, they think the dynamic asm effect happens
Speaker 1: at the event horizon of black holes. Is that that's
Speaker 1: one of the astrological locations cosmological locations where we see
Speaker 1: the dynamic asm effect happen. If you read about the
Speaker 1: dynamic Asmir effect, it basically says that the Shwinger effect
Speaker 1: is happening. Is that these virtual particle pairs that are
Speaker 1: constantly popping in and out of existence, they get captured
Speaker 1: from the Swinger effect and what happens they become real photons.
Speaker 1: Photon is just light. So to me, if you add
Speaker 1: this up and you say, huh, if we're creating like
Speaker 1: a black hole or a little permittivity change in a
Speaker 1: region of space, and we've got our plasma here, then
Speaker 1: it's gonna be glowing because it's gonna be something inside
Speaker 1: there is pulling photons out of the ether, if it's
Speaker 1: real interacting with the ether, like Ken Shoulders would say,
Speaker 1: what is your thoughts on any and all of that?
Speaker 4: Yeah, So the zero point energy field, the way that
Speaker 4: some physicists understand it is that you have these virtual
Speaker 4: particles a virtual including virtual photons that pop in and
Speaker 4: out of existence, and they do it within a time
Speaker 4: span that is allowed by the Heisenberg uncertainty principle. Right,
Speaker 4: so there's a very very small window of time where
Speaker 4: things can pop in and pop out, but it's enough
Speaker 4: to generate a collective effect that leads to zero point
Speaker 4: energy effects. Okay, and I think what you were talking
Speaker 4: about there, what they were talking about, has to do
Speaker 4: with bringing a system right up to that threshold where
Speaker 4: when something tries to pop into existence and a pair
Speaker 4: and an anti pair thing, well, there's a there's a
Speaker 4: sort of like like one is above the threshold and
Speaker 4: one is beneath the threshold. So so therefore you get
Speaker 4: this asymmetric effect. You break the symmetry that normally combines
Speaker 4: them back to zero. So imagine you generate a one
Speaker 4: and a minus one and normally they collapse back to zero.
Speaker 4: Well what if as soon as that one pops out,
Speaker 4: you like throw that into a black hole, and then
Speaker 4: the other one you leave out of the black hole. Well,
Speaker 4: now all of a sudden, you've got this minus one
Speaker 4: out of nowhere without a one to cancel it back out,
Speaker 4: So you get you get something out of nothing. Okay,
Speaker 4: that's sort of what you're talking about there, and I
Speaker 4: mean another way of understanding that would be you are
Speaker 4: biasing the zero point energy field so that you get
Speaker 4: a net, a net fluctuation that comes out.
Speaker 3: Of it, you know, so that's oil.
Speaker 1: Well, right, but you've just tapped into this unlimited supply
Speaker 1: of energy. At that point, you're creating something that's pulling
Speaker 1: the energy out.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 4: Yeah, And so that sort of energy then would be
Speaker 4: in the form of either they're not virtual particles anymore,
Speaker 4: they're real particles now, and they could be electrons, you know,
Speaker 4: they could be electrons and also photons, so some sort
Speaker 4: of radiation. It could be light, could be gamma rays,
Speaker 4: X rays, whatever. And actually, interestingly enough, a lot of
Speaker 4: these supposed UFOs they do generate these energy fields. They
Speaker 4: generate particles like electric fields around them in addition to
Speaker 4: glowing in a plasmatic sort of way and people getting
Speaker 4: ultraviolet radiation burns and when they get a little bit too
Speaker 4: close to them. So they're generating very very intense energy fields.
Speaker 4: And perhaps perhaps they are creating a shell around themselves
Speaker 4: that's almost like an event horizon for all we know.
Speaker 4: Maybe that's what they're doing, you know, But but no,
Speaker 4: doubt that a lot of these ships, they do use
Speaker 4: plasmas to do a lot of what they do. So
Speaker 4: so imagine if you if you do have a metal
Speaker 4: vehicle and the skin of it, you can electrify in
Speaker 4: such a way that you create a plasmoid around yourself,
Speaker 4: so you're encased in a plasmai You're like you're like
Speaker 4: a flying ball lightning basically, So you can imagine where
Speaker 4: you can do it that you can you can nullify inertia,
Speaker 4: you can alter gravity, you can probably alter the rate
Speaker 4: of time. And actually, funny enough, Stefan Merinov and the
Speaker 4: Magvid Magavid device, you know which I think, I think,
Speaker 4: I think I linked that to you once.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, so.
Speaker 4: So the Magavid device, this was device that Stefan Maronov.
Speaker 4: He's a Bulgarian physicist who died under very mysterious circumstances.
Speaker 4: But that was the final device that you built before
Speaker 4: he was killed. And the official story is that he
Speaker 4: committed suicide by jumping off a university building, but in
Speaker 4: true when he landed, one of the people that found
Speaker 4: him found that there was this weird, green, glowing fluid
Speaker 4: leaking out the back of his fractured skull almost almost
Speaker 4: like a like like radiator fluid from a car, like
Speaker 4: a coolant or something.
Speaker 3: Well no, no, no, the theory. The theory is that
Speaker 3: that he was.
Speaker 4: Probably mind controlled, like objective with some sort of thing
Speaker 4: and it made to jump up. Yeah but see, but
Speaker 4: see he was fully conscious and he probably would have recovered,
Speaker 4: but an ambulance showed up, mysterious ambulance and took him away,
Speaker 4: and he died on the way to the hospital. And
Speaker 4: I think they tried to trace where that ambulance came from,
Speaker 4: and it wasn't an official ambulance. So yeah, so something
Speaker 4: went on there, you know. But anyway, so this MAGVID
Speaker 4: device it stands for a magnetic vortex and looked.
Speaker 1: Into this actually yeah, yeah, yeah, because you sent me
Speaker 1: this what I can't remember, there's something relevant.
Speaker 2: To this, this mag love uh.
Speaker 1: But yeah, I looked into it and I thought it
Speaker 1: looked very plausible and just not to change the subject,
Speaker 1: we can talk more about that. But something I was
Speaker 1: just looking at yesterday actually was I decided to pull
Speaker 1: up sALS uh. Here it is sorry Sal's patent for
Speaker 1: Inertial Craft using Inertial Mass Reduction Advice. And one thing
Speaker 1: you noticed. How do I make this go over somewhere else?
Speaker 1: Let me try to pop this out there? We go,
Speaker 1: Oh hold on, let me switch, let me switch my
Speaker 1: share screen here this craft, sal says, there's a cavity here,
Speaker 1: This triangle craft is using a cavity that has Xenon
Speaker 1: gas or another noble gas in it, which I believe
Speaker 1: is an insulator. And I guess what I'm getting at
Speaker 1: here is that could this outside be this plasma field
Speaker 1: that's being generated, and could the energy be using this
Speaker 1: cavity here to create the cold plasma on the outside.
Speaker 1: I don't looking at this image of looks like what
Speaker 1: he's trying to represent on this image.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 4: Yeah, well man, it's been it's been a while since
Speaker 4: I read that patent, so I can't remember, but I
Speaker 4: mean it does look like it. And I know that
Speaker 4: he does incorporate plasma into some of his some of
Speaker 4: his technologies. So and you have to if you want
Speaker 4: really high charge densities, Yeah, you have to use plasmas.
Speaker 4: It's just as mentioned, it's.
Speaker 3: Nature's way, nature's way of doing it most efficiently.
Speaker 1: So yeah, yeah, so yeah, I think that my opinion
Speaker 1: is this and now this is kind of what you know.
Speaker 1: I want to get your last thoughts on this here
Speaker 1: may ask one or two more questions, but what if
Speaker 1: what is your thoughts on this hypothesis that I've I
Speaker 1: don't think I've stolen this in from anybody else, but
Speaker 1: maybe other people had the same thought. What if any
Speaker 1: civilization kind of figures out that plasma is the secret
Speaker 1: They all figure out that we can't get the energy
Speaker 1: densities we need without plasma, and so that that would
Speaker 1: mean that plasma is kind of like discovering fire, you know,
Speaker 1: like you first you start rubbing sticks together and you realize, oh,
Speaker 1: we can make fire happen. Look at that, and then
Speaker 1: do we still rub sticks together?
Speaker 2: I don't.
Speaker 1: I was making a fire earlier today and I just
Speaker 1: used my lighter right and I start the fire up.
Speaker 1: And we don't really ask why fire works the way
Speaker 1: that it does, or who figured it out? Whatever, We
Speaker 1: just say it exists, it's a property of nature that happens.
Speaker 1: And then you know, you could get into the long
Speaker 1: complicated explanation for how and why it's working.
Speaker 2: But what if plasma's like that?
Speaker 1: And what if then now the hurdle to achieving this
Speaker 1: magical technology is just discovering a property of nature. It's
Speaker 1: not even a matter of achieving some level of material
Speaker 1: science or understanding what is your thoughts on that theory?
Speaker 1: And I think the reason why I like it is
Speaker 1: going back to what you said at the beginning when
Speaker 1: I asked you what you think the nature of the
Speaker 1: UFO phenomenon is, is that it opens the door to everything.
Speaker 1: Is that it could be partially us. We could have
Speaker 1: figured some of this out. We could have figured it
Speaker 1: out from aliens. We could have figured it out from
Speaker 1: digging something up. We could have figured it out on
Speaker 1: our own. It also opens the door to some of
Speaker 1: this stuff flying around being us, but some of it
Speaker 1: also being aliens using a similar foundation of technology, all
Speaker 1: based on plasma. What do you think?
Speaker 4: Yeah, I think plasma is quite foundational now for us
Speaker 4: as humans with our budget, our labs, our garages, our basements. Plasma,
Speaker 4: I think is the way to go to get those
Speaker 4: charge densities that we need to have very strong effects.
Speaker 4: And in case people are wondering, like why is it
Speaker 4: that charge densities have any effect on anything? While it's
Speaker 4: because charge itself electric charges, they seem to have a
Speaker 4: grip on the ether. And so that's why when you
Speaker 4: send a current down a wire, it drags a little
Speaker 4: bit of ether with it, and so you've get this
Speaker 4: vector potential flowing alongside the outside of the wire because
Speaker 4: it's being dragged along by the charge. And so when
Speaker 4: you take charges and you compress them together, if you
Speaker 4: compress charges together and in emotion like this, then what
Speaker 4: you're doing is you're also compressing the ether. So you're
Speaker 4: modulating the ether by modulating charge density. And the greater
Speaker 4: the charge density, the stronger you grip on the ether,
Speaker 4: and the more you effect the zero point energy field
Speaker 4: and so on. So that's why ar are so important
Speaker 4: is because they literally grab the ether the alter time,
Speaker 4: like the Bifield Brown effect. Okay, the Bifield Brown effect.
Speaker 4: You just have a capacitor, a high voltage capacitor, so
Speaker 4: once charge super high you know, negative, and the other
Speaker 4: one either is at ground or super high negative voltage.
Speaker 4: And just with that alone you get a propulsive force
Speaker 4: because you're altering the ether in an asymmetric way, so
Speaker 4: the ether wants to flow, you know, to rebalance it.
Speaker 4: And so therefore you get this motion. And so the
Speaker 4: reason why I bring that up is because yeah, I
Speaker 4: think plasma is the most efficient way to do it,
Speaker 4: because that's how nature does it, ball lightning the sun.
Speaker 4: You know, I'm actually fire itself as a plasma. Funny enough,
Speaker 4: but but yeah, I mean you can use plasmas to
Speaker 4: do things that you can't with let's say, copper conductors,
Speaker 4: because a copper conductor you can only put so much
Speaker 4: energy into it before the copper melts, you know, before
Speaker 4: the wire heats up and it melts. So you can't
Speaker 4: use the copper wire to do these super high powerful things.
Speaker 4: But if you use a plasma, which is nothing but
Speaker 4: charges nothing but ions and electrons, then there's nothing there
Speaker 4: to melt, you know, so you can keep on pumping
Speaker 4: energy into it until you reach the Shwinger limit or
Speaker 4: whatever sort of limit you're talking about, and then you
Speaker 4: start get getting really really weird effects. But one of
Speaker 4: the important things I forgot to mention earlier is that
Speaker 4: there are really two ways of getting these exotic effects.
Speaker 4: One is to cram just as much mass and energy
Speaker 4: and motion or whatever into a certain volume of space,
Speaker 4: and you end up curving space and time. You end
Speaker 4: up curving the ether. And that's what general relativity would
Speaker 4: recommend and I think that's what sal pia is is
Speaker 4: is that's what he's going for. He's going for like
Speaker 4: extreme energy densities to warp space and time.
Speaker 3: But there is.
Speaker 4: Another way, and the other way is to first you
Speaker 4: alter the actual physical constants of space itself, you know,
Speaker 4: the primitivity, the index of refraction of the ether. And
Speaker 4: if you alter those, then you don't need as much
Speaker 4: energy in order to get those effects. And that's something
Speaker 4: that funny enough, Jack Strafai, you know, like that's the
Speaker 4: thing that we talked about last time with the Schmuck factor.
Speaker 4: So that thing that is the variable that controls how
Speaker 4: much energy you need to warp a certain amount of
Speaker 4: space and time. And so if you can alter that
Speaker 4: first using scalear physics principles, you buy altering the density
Speaker 4: of the ether. If you can do that first, then
Speaker 4: the ether becomes more fluid, more appliable, softer, and you
Speaker 4: don't need as much energy per volume space in order
Speaker 4: to open portals or ultra time or anything like that.
Speaker 4: So that's why I think that some of these ships,
Speaker 4: whether they are shadow military or alien stuff, some of
Speaker 4: them probably are using a method of softening up to
Speaker 4: ether first before they apply the energy. So therefore they
Speaker 4: don't have to have the energy equivalent of a massive
Speaker 4: star in order to open a portal. You know, maybe
Speaker 4: they don't need that, Maybe they just need a tiny
Speaker 4: fraction of that. But in correspondence to that, they also
Speaker 4: softened up the ether in a massive, massive way. Through that,
Speaker 4: the combination, you're all connected.
Speaker 1: Honestly, I think that I think that all these ideas
Speaker 1: and concepts are connected in a way where once we
Speaker 1: start seeing it experimentally publicly, it's going to start to
Speaker 1: make a lot of sense. I think that we can
Speaker 1: reduce the energy requirements. I think we can amplify energy
Speaker 1: as well, and I think we can pull free energy
Speaker 1: out of the through all of above.
Speaker 2: And I think we're going.
Speaker 1: To find that, Yeah, there's a relationship between them all.
Speaker 1: Tom Bearden, you know, he would talk about tickling, tickling
Speaker 1: the ether with the you know a little bit of energy,
Speaker 1: and that's kind of what he's talking about, is he's
Speaker 1: like saying that find the way to interact with the
Speaker 1: ether in a way that uses the least amount of energy.
Speaker 1: And I think that Ken Shoulders maybe has either discovered
Speaker 1: that or discovered one way to do that.
Speaker 2: With plasmas.
Speaker 1: And I love what you mentioned about the electricity. I
Speaker 1: want to go back to that for a second because
Speaker 1: I always mentioned this Veritassium video. He's my favorite physicist
Speaker 1: out there. Veritassium on YouTube does this video, I think
Speaker 1: it was like a year or two ago about electricity
Speaker 1: doesn't flow through wires and he finds that, yes, there's
Speaker 1: electricity is flowing through fields. You could say it's flowing
Speaker 1: through the ether, you know, from one point to the other,
Speaker 1: but it's not technically flowing through the wires. The wires
Speaker 1: are just kind of acting as conduits for a lack
Speaker 1: of a better term, yep.
Speaker 2: And why is this so huge?
Speaker 1: Because of what you just said about the electricity electrons,
Speaker 1: they are connecting to the ether. They are coupling to
Speaker 1: the ether. So now if you think about it from
Speaker 1: that perspective, this perspective, electricity is coupled to the ether.
Speaker 1: And then you can look back at how Pudoff's paper
Speaker 1: specifically is polarizable vacuum or metric space time metric engineering.
Speaker 1: What he's talking about is basically like taking Microsoft paint
Speaker 1: and doing a little cutout of a region, you know,
Speaker 1: make a bubble, or you can be any shape you
Speaker 1: potentially want, but like just roughly, let's say a bubble,
Speaker 1: and now you create like an eddy current, and Eddie
Speaker 1: current is just like a different an area of space
Speaker 1: where you have a current difference, maybe a superconducting barrier,
Speaker 1: and now you've got a bubble. You've got a bubble
Speaker 1: in space time, all created and produced by electricity, by
Speaker 1: electric charge. And I think that's what Ken shoulders. I
Speaker 1: think this is where Ken's shoulders and how Putoff's ideas
Speaker 1: overlapped and why they were partners with one another because
Speaker 1: they both understood that space is an empty and there's
Speaker 1: this ether and they were both kind of like how
Speaker 1: Putoff was going the or sorry, Ken shoulder is going
Speaker 1: to the plasma route, going like you know, this is
Speaker 1: how we can create it, and then how Putoff was
Speaker 1: kind of explaining it in the concepts. I personally think
Speaker 1: he got sucked into the black world as well. And
Speaker 1: I think he's a lot smarter than he lets on
Speaker 1: as well. He knew's a very smart guy. I think
Speaker 1: he knows way more stuff. So I guess thoughts on
Speaker 1: that and energy not flowing through the wires and what
Speaker 1: that means for how you manipulate space time.
Speaker 4: It's an important thing. It's something I wanted to bring
Speaker 4: up for sure, So it's good that we got to
Speaker 4: this point. So in that very toasium video, yeah, I
Speaker 4: did talk about how energy is not flowing through the wire,
Speaker 4: is actually flowing in the space around the wire. And
Speaker 4: the quantity that they refer to is the pointing vector
Speaker 4: Poy and t ing, And the pointing vector is equal
Speaker 4: to the electric field crossed with the magnetic field. So
Speaker 4: he cross B, he cross B. So if you got
Speaker 4: electric field this way, magnetic field this way, then the
Speaker 4: pointing vector, well, is you this way or that way?
Speaker 2: After you?
Speaker 3: I didn't keep track of my directions, but it's perpendicular
Speaker 3: to both of them.
Speaker 4: Right, So but see what he's saying, is it flows
Speaker 4: like how energy flows with a photon, Because in a photon,
Speaker 4: you have the electric field in one direction, you got
Speaker 4: the magnetic field perpendicular to that, and then you have
Speaker 4: the direction of motion perpendicular to both of those. And
Speaker 4: that's what the pointing vector is, is the direction of
Speaker 4: energy flow that flows electro magnetically. And as you and
Speaker 4: I have been discussing this entire time, there's more things
Speaker 4: than just transverse electromagnetic waves.
Speaker 3: There are other.
Speaker 4: Forms of you could say waves or ripples in the ether. Okay,
Speaker 4: so think about it this way. The pointing vector, if
Speaker 4: that is E cross B words right angles to be,
Speaker 4: then how do you make this this this transverse electromagnetic
Speaker 4: flow zero. There's different ways to do it. One, you
Speaker 4: can have the E and the B be in the
Speaker 4: same direction. Right, They're not perpendicular to each other, so
Speaker 4: the perpendicular component is actually zero.
Speaker 3: Right.
Speaker 4: So if you have the E and the B in
Speaker 4: the same direction, then you don't get a pointing vector
Speaker 4: and you don't get loss of energy. And that is
Speaker 4: what that that nineteen ninety two Air Force paper that
Speaker 4: you've been citing it out.
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, yeah, by by.
Speaker 1: Jack Champions in there that the electric and magnetic fields
Speaker 1: are parallel another. And I kept reading that and I
Speaker 1: wanted to talk to you about it because I was like, wait,
Speaker 1: is he saying I couldn't understand exactly. I could tell
Speaker 1: it was profound.
Speaker 3: Yeah, But so what.
Speaker 1: You're saying there is that you've creating a situation where
Speaker 1: the you've canceled out, you've created a scaler potential.
Speaker 2: Is that how would you even interpret that.
Speaker 4: You've created a situation where you don't get radiation in
Speaker 4: a typical way. So, in other words, if you have
Speaker 4: this ball of plasmoid stuff, it's not going to be
Speaker 4: leaking energy outward and like fizzling out to nothing. It's
Speaker 4: going to be self sustaining, at least for a period
Speaker 4: of time. And that's what ball lightning is. Ball lightning
Speaker 4: perier is and it goes around for a while and
Speaker 4: eventually it fizzles out, you know, when it destabilizes. But
Speaker 4: from that period of time, all these charges are compacted
Speaker 4: together and they're not dissipating.
Speaker 3: Right. Wow.
Speaker 4: So that's one situation where you're canceled out the pointing
Speaker 4: vector by making E and B parallel so that there
Speaker 4: is no cross, there's no perpendicular component, right. So that's
Speaker 4: one way to do it. The other way to do
Speaker 4: it is to make the magnetic field zero but leave
Speaker 4: the electric field. So if you have the electric field
Speaker 4: but no magnetic field, even even if the electric field
Speaker 4: is oscillating, if you cancel out the magnetic field, then
Speaker 4: it's e cross zero that is equal to zero. That's
Speaker 4: also a situation where the pointing field and you know
Speaker 4: what that is.
Speaker 3: You know what that is.
Speaker 4: That is Ken Shoulders e v Oh, that is what
Speaker 4: it is. Because in his paper won his book ev
Speaker 4: a Tale of Discovery and that book that that last.
Speaker 2: Chapter you called it a book.
Speaker 1: I call it like memoirs. But that's that's an amazing
Speaker 1: read for people.
Speaker 3: Oh yeah, that's a good one. I I love it.
Speaker 4: I mean because man, that book, you can you can
Speaker 4: tell his passion, you can tell that he understands what.
Speaker 3: He's talking about. You know, he's he's in it. It's
Speaker 3: not like some some some accade.
Speaker 1: That's where he says that he learned that the ether
Speaker 1: was real in nineteen eighty and he talks openly about
Speaker 1: his relationship with how pudoph and Bill Church was the
Speaker 1: owner of or just chicken at the time. Like that
Speaker 1: needs to be made into a movie anyway, Please keep going.
Speaker 3: Yeah, all right.
Speaker 4: So in that paper, near the end, he talks about
Speaker 4: his theory about what these evos are and what he
Speaker 4: thinks they are is they he thinks that they are
Speaker 4: monopole oscillations of electric charge densities. So it's a long
Speaker 4: it's a long phrase, but what really means is a
Speaker 4: spherical oscillating density of charge, right, so in other words,
Speaker 4: the electric field is pointing outwards in a radial direction,
Speaker 4: and it's increasing and decreasing, increasing and decreasing because the
Speaker 4: charges are moving. It's actually it's actually generating a vector
Speaker 4: potential and a radial symmetrical way. That's what it's doing.
Speaker 2: Okay.
Speaker 4: It's generating as spherical longitudinal waves into the ether. Okay,
Speaker 4: Except what makes it stable is that it's oscillating in
Speaker 4: such a way that it is in resonance with the
Speaker 4: ether itself. Okay, So because it's resonating at a frequency
Speaker 4: that is in resonance with the ether, any sort of
Speaker 4: longitude energy that does go out gets reflected back.
Speaker 3: So it's in.
Speaker 4: You know, it's like as if you and I and
Speaker 4: a bunch of people were in a mosh pit and
Speaker 4: we're all like pushing out against each other. Normally we
Speaker 4: would disperse, but if there's a crowd around us that
Speaker 4: is pushing back in time with us, then then we
Speaker 4: just kind of stay together as as a group in
Speaker 4: the center of the mashpit. So that's how it is.
Speaker 4: You know, these electrons are trying to push apart, but
Speaker 4: then the ether pushes it back, and there's this oscillation
Speaker 4: going on, and so that's what he's talking about. He's
Speaker 4: talking about these radial charge oscillations. That that's his version
Speaker 4: of the plasmoid. Whereas the Jack and the Champion paper
Speaker 4: that's slightly different that that's where you'd got the E
Speaker 4: and the B non zero, but they're in parallel so
Speaker 4: you get this like solenoidal you know, troidal spherical shape, right,
Speaker 4: and that's it's similar, but it's different from from Ken's
Speaker 4: shoulders stuff. But it's it's to what to our eyes,
Speaker 4: both of them will look like plasmoids. It's just one
Speaker 4: it's like a like a torus, and the other one
Speaker 4: is you know, radiating like like like this, like it's
Speaker 4: not radiating, but it's moving like that. But yeah, but
Speaker 4: but both of them, the pointing vectors are zero because
Speaker 4: there is no E cross B and that's non zero.
Speaker 3: Interestingly enough, so so which.
Speaker 1: One is the one that's compressing decompressing Ken shoulders or Jack?
Speaker 2: Yeah?
Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, Ki Ken shoulders. So when he talks about
Speaker 4: monopoles at the end of his paper, he's talking about
Speaker 4: electric monopoles, not magnetic monopoles.
Speaker 1: He's just talking about I've been interpreting it wrong. This
Speaker 1: whole time. I mean fundamentally the same concept. But yeah, wow,
Speaker 1: yeah wow, that is mind blowing man, that you brought
Speaker 1: that up. Thank you for thank you for talking about that. Yeah,
Speaker 1: And that's the thing where then the Champion paper goes
Speaker 1: and takes it a step further and from the Champions
Speaker 1: approach says, well, if you create this vortex just like
Speaker 1: a whirlpool where you're pulling the tub the water or
Speaker 1: the tub, then it can stabilize the the field and
Speaker 1: therefore becomes stable. And I also wonder do you think
Speaker 1: that there might be a requirement or like, do you
Speaker 1: think there has to be modulated in such a way
Speaker 1: where it has to be in some kind of equilibrium
Speaker 1: with the atmosphere as well, Like does it have to
Speaker 1: be like the same temperature as the background atmosphe or
Speaker 1: close that that kind of gets alluded to, and then
Speaker 1: the champ Can paper and it was an interesting thought
Speaker 1: that I'd never considered. I just assume that if you
Speaker 1: can make a bubble, then it's completely separated for everything else.
Speaker 1: But what if there is some criteria where it needs
Speaker 1: to be within a certain threshold of the outside environment
Speaker 1: in order for it to stay stable. Otherwise it'll become.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I think.
Speaker 4: I think the environmental conditions, whether it's pressure, the I mean,
Speaker 4: even the types of gases that are in the air,
Speaker 4: if if any, if there's any sort of particle exchange
Speaker 4: with the plasmoid, because I think about it, you can
Speaker 4: make a plasmoid probably in a field of pure hydrogen,
Speaker 4: or you can make another one and pure to feel
Speaker 4: of pure like argon or something. Right, So if you
Speaker 4: make one within atmosphere, it's going to be made of
Speaker 4: hydrogen or I mean nitrogen, carbon dioxide, and all these
Speaker 4: other things that separate and some on like a little
Speaker 4: bit of water vapor. So yeah, I mean, the plasmoid
Speaker 4: would definitely be made of the stuff of the gas
Speaker 4: that it forms within, and so therefore it would have
Speaker 4: an interaction with the environment, not only with the physical environment,
Speaker 4: but probably also of the gravitational environment and the etheric environment.
Speaker 4: Like if the physical constant of electric primitivity were different,
Speaker 4: the speed of light were different, then maybe it would
Speaker 4: be a bigger plasmoid instead of a smaller one and
Speaker 4: more compact one or vice versa. Right, So the environmental
Speaker 4: conditions ultimately end up determining the size of the plasmoid.
Speaker 4: Probably its color, probably what frequency it's oscillating at. All
Speaker 4: these things, you know, kind of converge together and think
Speaker 4: about this. What if what if the electron itself is
Speaker 4: a plasmoid in the ether, And what if what if
Speaker 4: electric charge and the mass of the electron. What if
Speaker 4: those things only appear because those are the environmental conditions
Speaker 4: that it exists within. What if what if the very
Speaker 4: properties of the ether are would give the electron it's
Speaker 4: suppose the charge. I think that's probably what's going on.
Speaker 1: Oh, I totally agree with you, and you really helped
Speaker 1: me to conceptualize these balls of plasma. So then in
Speaker 1: terms of do you think they can be created then
Speaker 1: through anything? And do you think they could like it?
Speaker 1: You know, I've wondered because I keep thinking of the
Speaker 1: m AH three seven zero videos and they closely match
Speaker 1: what you were describing with Ken's shoulders, the oscillation that's
Speaker 1: going on there. I think that if those videos are real,
Speaker 1: then those orbs are pulling the electrons directly from the atmosphere,
Speaker 1: like I don't think they're in a glass container of
Speaker 1: argon or some other gas or whatever it is. And
Speaker 1: one of the papers I read it, I don't remember
Speaker 1: which well, maybe it was in a Champion, maybe it
Speaker 1: was one of the others. They said that it can
Speaker 1: be it can be tuned to any frequency, meaning that
Speaker 1: it can be any color of light that they can emit,
Speaker 1: and they might even be able to be invisible. So
Speaker 1: do you think that they could be invisible? Does that
Speaker 1: make sense to you?
Speaker 2: Yeah?
Speaker 4: Yeah, because so within plasmas, when you try to create
Speaker 4: a plasma in a lab, one of the easiest ways
Speaker 4: to do that is you good like like an evacuated chamber,
Speaker 4: like like a vacuum tube or something. You got two
Speaker 4: electrodes in there, right, so one's ground once a cathode,
Speaker 4: one's aode, and you pump certain level of current into it,
Speaker 4: certain level voltage, and it ionizes the remaining gases that
Speaker 4: are in there, right, And so as you increase the current,
Speaker 4: you get this curve. It's it's a curve that's common
Speaker 4: to all such plasmas, and at the very beginning of it,
Speaker 4: there's a kind of dark plasma. It's called the Townsend regime.
Speaker 4: It's within that regime that that particular phase of plasma
Speaker 4: where you don't get any light emission, so it's dark,
Speaker 4: but it is still a plasma. There's actual plasmatic processes
Speaker 4: going on there in there, but it's invisible optically invisible
Speaker 4: because it's not emitting necessarily any light. So if you
Speaker 4: have these orbs, right, so, if their technology is advanced enough,
Speaker 4: they could create these plasmoid orbs that are within that
Speaker 4: particular regime or something like it where it's not emitting
Speaker 4: light but it is invisible. And I think Ken Shoulders,
Speaker 4: didn't you talk about dark evos as well?
Speaker 1: Yeah, people are probably watching this right now screaming the
Speaker 1: chat dark evos because yeah, and also the Safire project
Speaker 1: they had a mode where it was completely dark. The
Speaker 1: plasma was on, there was voltage given to it, but
Speaker 1: it was just black, not emitting any light whatsoever.
Speaker 2: Yep.
Speaker 1: Interesting.
Speaker 4: Yeah, Now since we're on the topic, let me mention
Speaker 4: something briefly. So within that that that curve of this chasm,
Speaker 4: this plasma curve, if you get up to a certain point, okay,
Speaker 4: so beyond this Townshend regime, beyond this cold plasma regime,
Speaker 4: you get to what's called the normal glow discharge. And
Speaker 4: that's like when you got the electrode like in the
Speaker 4: Sapphire Project videos, you got this electrode, and like little
Speaker 4: glowing dots start appear around it, right, and then they
Speaker 4: start to move a little bit. That's normal glow discharge phase.
Speaker 4: And eventually it gets so bright that the entire thing
Speaker 4: gets covered in like a uniform layer of glow. And
Speaker 4: that's called the abnormal glow discharge phase. Okay, that's a
Speaker 4: higher up in the curve. But then something very interesting
Speaker 4: happens because once you reach that state, you can you
Speaker 4: can turn down the voltage a little bit and it'll
Speaker 4: start retracing that curve and go back to the cold
Speaker 4: plasma state. Really but it's but it's a different kind
Speaker 4: of cold plasma state. It's like it's like a plasma
Speaker 4: has two states to it, like two parallel states to it,
Speaker 4: and when you go up in voltage, you go along
Speaker 4: the bottom one, and then when you trace back you
Speaker 4: actually come back this this other parallel way, where now
Speaker 4: you've got this kind of cold plasma instead of this kind.
Speaker 4: So there's another kind of cold plasma that exists besides
Speaker 4: the one that you first encounter when you first start
Speaker 4: applying voltage. And it's within that other secondary one that's
Speaker 4: where you start getting really weird, really weird. Effects like
Speaker 4: transmutation and probably like cold fusion something like that started
Speaker 4: getting these weird effects because that is a state where
Speaker 4: you have both electrons and ions like protons or whatever.
Speaker 4: It's like hydrogen gas where they are in an equal,
Speaker 4: equally distributed, uniform ad mixture of ions colliding with electrons.
Speaker 4: And there's a paper by Harold Asptin.
Speaker 3: What's this called?
Speaker 4: Let me look it up real quick, Harold ast them.
Speaker 4: It's a paper called Power from Space, the Korea Invention
Speaker 4: cor r EA invention and as he's talking about the
Speaker 4: doctor pop Paolo Korea, who work with free energy systems
Speaker 4: involving plasma. So anyway, in the book, he talks about
Speaker 4: how when you have a heavy ion like a like
Speaker 4: a hydrogen or helium atom or something like that, colliding
Speaker 4: with a light one like electron, that difference in mass
Speaker 4: and both of them having charge, it does something exotic. Okay,
Speaker 4: it does something exotic where it generates free energy somehow.
Speaker 4: You know, you get extra energy out of that interaction.
Speaker 4: That the greater the difference in masses between the heavy
Speaker 4: ion and small electron. Right, So the reason why I
Speaker 4: bring that up is because within that secondary cold plasma
Speaker 4: state that is where you have the maximum number of
Speaker 4: ions interacting with the maximum number of electrons, and the
Speaker 4: more they do that, the.
Speaker 3: More free energy is being generated.
Speaker 4: So within cold plasma, a certain kind of it, you
Speaker 4: do get these exotic free energy and other effects.
Speaker 1: I think that's the biggest thing, and the biggest takeaway
Speaker 1: from the plasma as well, is that you go back to,
Speaker 1: like you just recap in what we've talked with this
Speaker 1: whole thing, is that we've talked about the nature of
Speaker 1: the suppression of the UFO phenomenon, what it could be,
Speaker 1: what the national security issue is the technology, and then
Speaker 1: you go, well, what is this technology to me? All
Speaker 1: signs are pointing towards plasma. Plasma's got these properties that
Speaker 1: we need, and it turns out, like you just mentioned,
Speaker 1: I came to the same conclusion that it's like basically
Speaker 1: an infinite battery. This natural property of this plasma is
Speaker 1: just producing what we would think of as free energy,
Speaker 1: but it's not really free. It goes back to the
Speaker 1: dynamic Casmir effect. You're pulling energy out of the ether
Speaker 1: where we're sending this other particle somewhere else, and this
Speaker 1: gives us a net positive amount of energy in our
Speaker 1: observable reality. Now it's at the cost of something. We
Speaker 1: took energy out of the ether. And this also speaks
Speaker 1: to a lot of these free energy devices they cool
Speaker 1: things down like that.
Speaker 2: There's a serial video that I could.
Speaker 1: Show right now, but I'm not going to have shown
Speaker 1: it someveral times in my stream where they show this
Speaker 1: John Cerel free energy device recreation, and over the five
Speaker 1: or ten minute video, it actually cools down to the
Speaker 1: point where the center magnet has frost on it. It's
Speaker 1: gotten so cold, and they have a thermal thing on
Speaker 1: it as well. So really, the point I'm trying to
Speaker 1: make for people is it's true there is no free lunch.
Speaker 1: So even if you're pulling energy out of this see
Speaker 1: ocean of energy, pulling this energy out, you're pulling energy
Speaker 1: out of that region, which naturally is going to cool
Speaker 1: things down as well. So there's always going to be
Speaker 1: consequences no matter what. Where we can't we can't cheat
Speaker 1: the laws of physics. We can just break them, or
Speaker 1: we can just bend them a little bit. Right, So
Speaker 1: I guess this is probably a good time to close
Speaker 1: it down. We've had a great conversation Tom. We spoke
Speaker 1: about plasma. You gave me some new great insights into
Speaker 1: cold plasmas. We spoke about free energy, gravity manipulation, We
Speaker 1: spoke about aliens, non human intelligence, UFO phenomenon, the UFO hearings,
Speaker 1: how poodoph et cetera.
Speaker 2: Is there anything else you want to mention before we
Speaker 2: close out?
Speaker 4: Yeah, I want to say for you guys that are
Speaker 4: interested in this fringe physics stuff, check out the works
Speaker 4: of David Maker. David Maker, he so David Maker. He's
Speaker 4: a he's a smart guy. And what he did was
Speaker 4: he reverse engineered general relativity. He did to general relativity
Speaker 4: what me and others have done with Maxwell's equations to
Speaker 4: find the hidden avenues that would expand it. And based
Speaker 4: on that expansion of general relativity, he found equations that
Speaker 4: show how rotating charges, especially if they wobble on their axis,
Speaker 4: are able to produce gravitational fields, are able to couple
Speaker 4: to space time and to warp space time in a
Speaker 4: very efficient and effective way. Not only that, but he
Speaker 4: also figured out that it does it especially if you
Speaker 4: bring the voltage up to I think it was either
Speaker 4: five hundred and eleven thousand volts or five hundred and
Speaker 4: twelve thousand volts. But there's a singularity in voltage there
Speaker 4: where if you take this rotating charge system and you
Speaker 4: bring it up to that voltage, as soon as you
Speaker 4: hit that, you get like a massive burst of thrust
Speaker 4: or you know, either increase in weight or decrease in weight.
Speaker 4: So David Maker, I see, is that the one I'm
Speaker 4: trying to see on the screen.
Speaker 1: This is the paper, but this is him for sure.
Speaker 1: I found this last time we spoke, and I I
Speaker 1: started digging into David Maker quite a bit. Actually at
Speaker 1: the time it was well beyond me. But I should
Speaker 1: take another look at it now because he has heard, Like,
Speaker 1: let me just say this real quick, because that I've
Speaker 1: I've talked to engineers behind the scenes that I've never
Speaker 1: spoken about that have brought up David Maker as well,
Speaker 1: which is why I got really interested when you brought
Speaker 1: it up.
Speaker 3: So interesting, okay, yeah, interesting. Yeah.
Speaker 4: He's got like four papers on a research gate. I
Speaker 4: think one of them was co authored with Glenn Robertson,
Speaker 4: who used to work for the team that Amy Eskridge
Speaker 4: was part of it. Really yeah, so there's a connection
Speaker 4: is like, you know, two degrees of separation between Amy
Speaker 4: Eskridge and David Baker, and they probably knew each other
Speaker 4: for all I know.
Speaker 3: Yeah, they probably did.
Speaker 4: But anyway, that science that that he figured out is
Speaker 4: what pot Kletnov is doing is implementing him the lab. Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 4: rotating rotating charges whose axis of rotation wobbles. Okay, So
Speaker 4: if you look up one of plot Klutknov's more recent
Speaker 4: experiments from like like five ten years ago, I'll say
Speaker 4: recent because he goes back to the nineties, right.
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 4: Well it's a video where he's like a vacuum chamber
Speaker 4: and he's got like a metal disc in there, and
Speaker 4: it's on an axis like a motor, and he spins
Speaker 4: it up and there's like a weight that's suspended above it,
Speaker 4: and there's a weight starts wabbling with gravitational pulses due
Speaker 4: to the gravity being generated by this rotating disc. And
Speaker 4: the disc is not superconducting. It has well it takes
Speaker 4: too long to explain, but long story short, it's aluminum disc.
Speaker 4: It's got gold gold rings impregnated into it, and there's
Speaker 4: a builds up very high charge densities at the interface
Speaker 4: between the gold and the aluminum, and it does it naturally.
Speaker 4: Without any additional energy input. And so when you spin
Speaker 4: that around and you make it wobble like that on
Speaker 4: the axis, you get this gravitational impulse. So that's an
Speaker 4: example of him doing that. But but he said is
Speaker 4: he said that that particular method is not very efficient
Speaker 4: and that the most efficient way to do it would
Speaker 4: be through rotating magnetic fields. Just what that magvid that
Speaker 4: Stephen Meronov developed, that's what that is. He's creating extremely
Speaker 4: high frequency rotating magnetic fields that were operating at like
Speaker 4: seventy five megahertz. And there's no way, there's no way
Speaker 4: you can you can build a mechanical physical disc that
Speaker 4: rotates that fast and that's like seventy five million times
Speaker 4: per second.
Speaker 3: You know you can't.
Speaker 1: You can't do that, right, Why the plasma is so big?
Speaker 1: Because the plasma now you have just this nebulous gas
Speaker 1: that can do a move in any direction that you
Speaker 1: need it. Just it makes a lot of sense anyway, keep.
Speaker 3: Going, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 4: So so to finish up the magvid thing, what he
Speaker 4: had was he had two sets of coils, right, So
Speaker 4: one set of coil was like this, another set of
Speaker 4: coils was like this, and each one produced a magnetic field. Okay,
Speaker 4: but each set of coils was pumped in quadrature, meaning
Speaker 4: one was given a sin wave if the only one
Speaker 4: was given a co sine wave. So they're like ninety
Speaker 4: degrees apart in time. And when you do that with
Speaker 4: that sort of setup, but you end up getting you
Speaker 4: get a synthetic rotating magnetic field. And so anything that's
Speaker 4: in that rotating magnetic field, if a response to magnetism magnetism,
Speaker 4: the orbitals or the electron orbitals will align with it.
Speaker 4: So I mean that's how magnets work. You know, when
Speaker 4: you put iron near a magnet, the orbil's print. So
Speaker 4: what happens is because magnetism itself within a magnet or
Speaker 4: iron a fairite because it involves electrons going around in orbit.
Speaker 4: Like that, if you have a rotating magnetic field, you
Speaker 4: have rotating charges that their axis of rotation ends up
Speaker 4: rotating itself at seventy five megaherts in this case, and
Speaker 4: that that that is that is the David Maker thing,
Speaker 4: where you've got rotating charges whose axis is either wobbling
Speaker 4: or rotating entirely, okay, at high voltages. So that's what
Speaker 4: his device was doing. It was actually ionizing the air,
Speaker 4: and then electrons were coming out the top and circulating
Speaker 4: and going around up through the bottom. He was creating
Speaker 4: a plasmoid using rotating magnetic fields. Yeah, and according to rumors,
Speaker 4: for people that knew that saw the device and demonstration,
Speaker 4: it warked time and it produced free energy. So no wonder. Yeah,
Speaker 4: very not that magnet device, So no wonder. He died
Speaker 4: within two weeks after producing something.
Speaker 1: Yeah, And I think we've reached a point now where
Speaker 1: maybe this is what will end on?
Speaker 2: Is that?
Speaker 1: What do you think's changed between that was probably like
Speaker 1: what the seventies or something and now because it seems
Speaker 1: like something has changed from my perspective, because a I'm
Speaker 1: still alive and I've been exposing all this science and technology.
Speaker 1: You are too right, and you might just say, well,
Speaker 1: we're just small fish in a big pond, and you know,
Speaker 1: we're making small ripples, but we're not making big change.
Speaker 1: But it does feel like they're letting some of this
Speaker 1: stuff come out, you know, and some of it, like
Speaker 1: I think we are in agreement. That's the technology that
Speaker 1: they're afraid of coming out. But what is it you
Speaker 1: think change? Do you think that they've just given up
Speaker 1: they've gotten tired of hiding it. Do you think that
Speaker 1: it's going to come out inevitably anyway? Do you think
Speaker 1: there's another explanation? What do you think is going on?
Speaker 4: Yeah, I think there's a timetable that they have towards
Speaker 4: where they want this to come out, because they can.
Speaker 3: So the thing is, if you release it.
Speaker 4: Prematurely, then we would not have been on this geopolitical
Speaker 4: track that we've been on for the past thirty forty
Speaker 4: fifty years. And for some reason, they wanted this to
Speaker 4: happen until a certain point in the future. It could
Speaker 4: be within ten years, it could be within thirty years,
Speaker 4: who knows, But I think I think well, I mean,
Speaker 4: we are reaching various technological singularities, even with AI right
Speaker 4: coming up within the next ten, ten, twenty years, So
Speaker 4: I think they want it to happen during that time
Speaker 4: period and not a moment before. So if someone tries
Speaker 4: to come out with a free energy device before that
Speaker 4: they're ready for it, before they have all the pieces
Speaker 4: in play to exploit it, that's not good for them,
Speaker 4: you know, because then we'd be preempting them. So they're
Speaker 4: going to kill us off if we do it beforehand.
Speaker 4: But still like, right now, you and I we can
Speaker 4: talk about this. We can talk about this, and you've
Speaker 4: known people that probably have working devices, Okay, but it's
Speaker 4: when they have working devices that they're going to release
Speaker 4: to the world that affects things on an economic, political,
Speaker 4: geopolitical level, that's when they get whacked. So we're still
Speaker 4: in the danger zone. But at least we can talk
Speaker 4: about it.
Speaker 1: Yeah, And people ask me like, hey, Ash, and what
Speaker 1: happened with your whole ether tech energy device thing that
Speaker 1: you were doing? And I say, just do you listen
Speaker 1: to what Tom just said right there. It's one thing
Speaker 1: to talk about it conceptually. It's also another thing to
Speaker 1: see it with your own eyes. It's a whole other
Speaker 1: thing to try to get on CNN with it, right.
Speaker 1: And when you start to try to do those types
Speaker 1: of things, that's when you see the full force of
Speaker 1: the suppression. That's when you see the disinformation. People come
Speaker 1: out and say, I mean I actually research this. There's
Speaker 1: several people who literally they basically they are fit PhD
Speaker 1: physicists whose job it is to testify on behalf of
Speaker 1: the government that when people are developing free energy devices
Speaker 1: that they're kooks and cranks, and then it's pseudoscience and.
Speaker 2: All this stuff.
Speaker 1: It's scary to see that stuff, and some people might
Speaker 1: even believe it themselves.
Speaker 3: Oh I'm sure they do.
Speaker 1: Yeah, you know, and that's and that's so it goes
Speaker 1: to show that guys like this isn't a game, Like
Speaker 1: there's something happening at a major level here and these
Speaker 1: this physics is real. Many many, many people have discovered
Speaker 1: it throughout time. We can push as hard as we can,
Speaker 1: but ultimately, I guess the last question for you is,
Speaker 1: so what do we do knowing all this information, knowing
Speaker 1: the history of the suppression on it, Tom, what is
Speaker 1: your view on how we progress?
Speaker 4: I think the best thing would be to use weaponized
Speaker 4: open source crowdsourcing of this information, because then it's not
Speaker 4: just one person, one inventor, who has something. So so
Speaker 4: the tyfficult pattern is an inventor discovers something amazing, they
Speaker 4: think about it. Should I release this to the world.
Speaker 1: No.
Speaker 4: I spent like ten twenty years developing it. I should
Speaker 4: make money off this? Okay, A right, fine, I'm gonna
Speaker 4: make money off this, So therefore I have to keep
Speaker 4: it secret. I have to try to get investors and
Speaker 4: have to start signing deals, and this process takes time,
Speaker 4: and you start signaling to the powers that be that hey,
Speaker 4: I've got something, but I haven't released it to the
Speaker 4: world yet. So if you kill me off now, I
Speaker 4: will never release it. And guess what happens. That's what happens.
Speaker 4: So stan Meyer, he had a technology and he cloaked
Speaker 4: it in a lot of misdirection, you know. And and
Speaker 4: so therefore when he was just about to sign that deal,
Speaker 4: he stood up and he claimed, I've been poisoned, and
Speaker 4: he falls over dead in the parking lot.
Speaker 2: I would say, is that what if?
Speaker 1: Also there's this element of I've seen this pattern where
Speaker 1: when people figure it out, they go, oh, it was
Speaker 1: it was that easy. Oh everybody's going to figure this out.
Speaker 1: Like next year. They think like, oh, everyone's going to
Speaker 1: figure this out. And so they start, you know, doing
Speaker 1: the same things. So you said, they start patenting things,
Speaker 1: they start trying to make investment deals. The thing they
Speaker 1: don't do is they don't start you know, putting it
Speaker 1: on the blockchain or doing a bunch of interviews. Usually
Speaker 1: they they get like that, and then the problem is
Speaker 1: that it doesn't come out. It never comes out. And
Speaker 1: so now we've just got people with these patents and
Speaker 1: then everybody, we've got all these patents out there, they
Speaker 1: claim to be able to do free energy type stuff
Speaker 1: and nobody thinks they're real and what have you.
Speaker 2: Uh So there may be there's an element of that.
Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, especially especially if the principle is simple, like
Speaker 4: you said, if it's very easy, and then that everyone
Speaker 4: else can figure out. Usually usually what they end up
Speaker 4: doing is they end up releasing something about it because
Speaker 4: people are gonna want to know anyway, but they misdirected
Speaker 4: with a bunch of complicated extras that don't need to
Speaker 4: be part of it, and so.
Speaker 1: Sabotage in there. So somebody tries to copy it or whatever.
Speaker 4: Then yeah, yeah, yeah right, and all of a sudden,
Speaker 4: everyone else is that.
Speaker 2: Everybody's like, oh, I'm going to recreate it, and I failed.
Speaker 4: It's like no, I know, I know, and people try
Speaker 4: to recreate it and like, oh my god, I got
Speaker 4: to buy like a like ten thousand dollars worth of
Speaker 4: materials to create a special magnet recipe or something. I'm
Speaker 4: talking about Floyd Sweet for example. Things like that. You know,
Speaker 4: the principle is probably very simple, but they added all
Speaker 4: this complicated conditions to it, and they say, only if you
Speaker 4: do this and this and this and this this do
Speaker 4: you get the effect. And the people try to replicate it,
Speaker 4: but of course again do everything, and it fails because
Speaker 4: they missed the original simple thing. And then the other
Speaker 4: problem is these inventors they stumble upon something, but they
Speaker 4: don't one hundred percent know why it's doing what it does,
Speaker 4: and so they have to come up with their own
Speaker 4: crazy theory about why it is. And so therefore you've
Speaker 4: got all these different inventors with their own crazy theory
Speaker 4: that all contradict each other about what it is. So
Speaker 4: if you had the unified theory that you could explain
Speaker 4: all of it with one common, correct, true science instead
Speaker 4: of all these little half baked attempts at trying to understand, like, oh,
Speaker 4: there's a little gyroscopic ether particles. We'll call them etherons
Speaker 4: or something, and you know, maybe that's the case, but
Speaker 4: I think most of the time they're just trying to
Speaker 4: grasp at what it could actually be.
Speaker 3: So there's so much misdirection.
Speaker 4: And plus then you've got Charlatan's writing, You've got probably
Speaker 4: like government disinformants in there as well. Trying to lead
Speaker 4: people astray. It's a it's a dangerous mindfield. So like,
Speaker 4: kudos to anyone like you or anyone else who's who's
Speaker 4: trying to really brave the dark, choppy waters and trying
Speaker 4: to figure out what that island of truth actually is.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and I know we've been going for a while.
Speaker 1: I want to I want to wind it down. But
Speaker 1: that reminded me too of you know, I've reached out
Speaker 1: to a lot of physicists here and there about just
Speaker 1: input on what have you. One of them was a
Speaker 1: professor named David Greer from n YU who he several
Speaker 1: years ago, was making the rounds on you know, the
Speaker 1: media for developing this tractor. And it's funny because I
Speaker 1: messaged him about it and he got very defensive over
Speaker 1: the idea that there's no special physics going on, but
Speaker 1: he said it was. He literally it was magic. He
Speaker 1: couldn't explain it. And it goes to the point that
Speaker 1: you just mentioned, which is this idea that like a
Speaker 1: lot of people don't even know how they invented the
Speaker 1: thing they did. I'm like, do you think this could
Speaker 1: be like a negative energy laser that you're doing here?
Speaker 1: Because it has like the same properties. No, no, there's nothing.
Speaker 1: There's nothing exotics, magical, it's just normal energy. And I'm going, yeah,
Speaker 1: I know, it's you know, everything is like there's anything
Speaker 1: that we can see, we have an explanation for it.
Speaker 1: But I just think that that mindset is a good
Speaker 1: analogy to where academia is right now, where it's like,
Speaker 1: we've got these ideas out there, We've spoken about them
Speaker 1: for two hours on this live, on this interview, and
Speaker 1: yet they don't get taken seriously. And we've seen these inventors,
Speaker 1: these papers, some of these guys like Ken Shoulders. This
Speaker 1: guy was developing microelectronics before microelectronics were a thing. He
Speaker 1: was developing drones before drones were a thing. These are
Speaker 1: not lightweight guys, are aren't random cranks in their garage.
Speaker 1: So what would be your message to humanity for the
Speaker 1: people out there wondering when this is going to come out?
Speaker 1: What would you tell them to reassure those people?
Speaker 4: Well, so the question is what I'm about to say
Speaker 4: is a reassuring or not?
Speaker 3: Okay?
Speaker 4: So I so there there's an inventor that I used
Speaker 4: to know, and after he developed a breakthrough and developing
Speaker 4: a water powered engine that actually truly just ran on water,
Speaker 4: no other funny business. Yeah, he was dead within a
Speaker 4: month and a half. I was I was about to
Speaker 4: go visit him to show it, you know, see what
Speaker 4: what he developed, and he died shortly after. But anyway,
Speaker 4: one of the things that he told me is that
Speaker 4: he thinks that one day there will come a time
Speaker 4: where mounting economic and climate and other disasters are going
Speaker 4: to just death by a thousand cuts to these systems. Yeah,
Speaker 4: so the government will not have the resources anymore to
Speaker 4: maintain their grip of control. And at that point you
Speaker 4: will have a flourishing of suppressed vents that can no
Speaker 4: longer be kept down because there's just no longer no
Speaker 4: longer enough band power to keep them suppressed.
Speaker 1: So I think war or to break out, and we
Speaker 1: were to use them in wars out another possibility.
Speaker 4: I would say that it's only it would only be
Speaker 4: used in war if there is no other option, like
Speaker 4: if America, like for example, America's Black Ops programs, if
Speaker 4: they themselves were at risk of being wiped out by
Speaker 4: invading Russians or Aliens or whatever it is, then they
Speaker 4: would pull it out. But up until that point, I
Speaker 4: think they'll I it's a bigger risk to reveal it
Speaker 4: then to keep it secret, you know, so that they'll
Speaker 4: keep it secret until they can't anymore.
Speaker 2: So yeah, but finish your thoughts. Sorry.
Speaker 4: Yeah, But but the thing is we can't really depend on
Speaker 4: them because that'll be their timetable. So I think it's
Speaker 4: up to us to continue doing the research, the experimentation
Speaker 4: to open source it. And the thing is, if you're
Speaker 4: someone who does discover magical principle like anti gravity or
Speaker 4: free energy or something, you're gonna have to make that
Speaker 4: hard choice. Are you going to be like Gallum and
Speaker 4: the Lord of the Rings with your precious or are
Speaker 4: you going to sacrifice yourself for humanity and put it
Speaker 4: out there in a way that can't be suppressed. You know,
Speaker 4: blockchain it whatever, open source it.
Speaker 3: It's really the only way to go. I mean, that's
Speaker 3: the only way to do it.
Speaker 1: I agree, man, And so my approach has been we've
Speaker 1: just got to teach people, We've got to wake people up.
Speaker 1: And that's why I've been doing this podcast, is why
Speaker 1: I wanted to talk to you today, That's why I
Speaker 1: do my live streams, is that this stuff is too
Speaker 1: hard for people to understand unless they have the framework
Speaker 1: to understand it. It was Richard Feynman that spoke about the idea.
Speaker 1: He was asked about what is magnetism, and he said, well,
Speaker 1: unless you understand the principles, then it doesn't make any
Speaker 1: sense to even try to explain magnetism to somebody. And
Speaker 1: I think that's true of a lot of this physics
Speaker 1: is unless you understand that there's an ether, there's no
Speaker 1: point talking about free energy because you can't understand how
Speaker 1: it's possible. Yeah, so, Tom, I want to thank you
Speaker 1: very much. It's been an awesome conversation. Go ahead, shout
Speaker 1: out any of anyone you want, any of your content
Speaker 1: that you want. Let people know where they can find you.
Speaker 4: Yeah, well you can find We had mon talk do
Speaker 4: on net alka dot net and of course on Twitter
Speaker 4: and x as well. Like I've my I've got a
Speaker 4: YouTube channel at YouTube slash dot com slash tommon talk
Speaker 4: and uh yeah, I'm also the guy behind scalerphysics dot com.
Speaker 4: So if you go to scalerphysics dot com and you
Speaker 4: click on resources, there's like a list of various papers.
Speaker 4: It's not complete. I mean, you yourself a featured stuff
Speaker 4: on your channels. That's like beyond what I've included there,
Speaker 4: so I'll have to update my list. But scalerphysics dot
Speaker 4: com you can go there. You can read my paper
Speaker 4: brief Introduction to Scaler Physics that mister X has a
Speaker 4: you know that he blotted and if he's listening, you know,
Speaker 4: hey man, hopefully we get to talk sometime. Hopefully you
Speaker 4: get to talk to Ashen. Yeah, we do a three
Speaker 4: way conversation.
Speaker 2: Be great.
Speaker 1: So yeah, thank you Tom, I love it. This is
Speaker 1: another episode of hard Trews. Everybody, Thank you all.
Speaker 2: Have a great day everyone, Peace,