1 00:00:05,759 --> 00:00:08,759 Speaker 1: What's he throughout the impossible or whatever I may improbable 2 00:00:08,839 --> 00:00:13,320 must be true? Then it is not a question of 3 00:00:13,480 --> 00:00:17,079 the libero cultism. All a touch of mysticism is today it. 4 00:00:17,199 --> 00:00:20,039 Speaker 2: Is empires as a host of them souls. 5 00:00:19,879 --> 00:00:28,239 Speaker 1: Telophaps thy father spirit due for a certain termed or 6 00:00:28,519 --> 00:00:33,719 the night. Yeah, the old gods aren't dead, and what 7 00:00:33,840 --> 00:00:34,560 is the true God? 8 00:00:35,159 --> 00:00:35,840 Speaker 3: When he's dead? 9 00:00:36,240 --> 00:00:36,960 Speaker 4: He can't complain. 10 00:00:39,359 --> 00:00:42,280 Speaker 1: People assume the time is a strict progression of cause 11 00:00:42,359 --> 00:00:45,600 to effect, but actually from a nonlinear, non subjective viewpoint, 12 00:00:45,679 --> 00:00:48,640 it's more like a big ball of wibby wobbly thymy 13 00:00:48,719 --> 00:00:49,840 wymy stuff. 14 00:00:51,799 --> 00:00:54,759 Speaker 3: You're listening to Paranormal UK Radio. 15 00:00:56,560 --> 00:00:59,119 Speaker 1: Hi, everybody, This is Iron Allen Brock, the host of 16 00:00:59,200 --> 00:01:02,920 the Paranormal OK Radio show, the flagship show to the 17 00:01:02,960 --> 00:01:11,439 Paranormal UK Radio network. With me today is him Mark 18 00:01:12,480 --> 00:01:14,719 Mark who Johnson? 19 00:01:15,159 --> 00:01:20,519 Speaker 3: Thank you. You know what was funny is before we 20 00:01:20,640 --> 00:01:25,799 introduce our guest, we had previously interviewed back in twenty seventeen, 21 00:01:26,159 --> 00:01:28,879 and you know what, she screwed up my name way 22 00:01:28,959 --> 00:01:33,640 back then too. And we've only been been. 23 00:01:33,680 --> 00:01:37,120 Speaker 1: Screwing up your name since we've done the Unknown Origins radio. 24 00:01:36,920 --> 00:01:40,640 Speaker 3: Show about fifteen years now. 25 00:01:42,640 --> 00:01:44,200 Speaker 1: You think I don't know who you are? 26 00:01:47,560 --> 00:01:50,799 Speaker 3: Well, who stayed at your house in a year and 27 00:01:50,840 --> 00:01:51,280 a half ago. 28 00:01:52,760 --> 00:01:56,079 Speaker 1: Yeah, well there was this funny American bloke walking around, 29 00:01:56,159 --> 00:01:57,680 but I didn't take much notice of him. 30 00:02:00,480 --> 00:02:01,359 Speaker 3: I'm so abused. 31 00:02:02,079 --> 00:02:05,200 Speaker 1: Oh you're you're really abused. Okay, come on and tell 32 00:02:05,280 --> 00:02:06,840 us the news. What's going on? 33 00:02:07,439 --> 00:02:08,120 Speaker 2: Oh my god? 34 00:02:09,080 --> 00:02:12,680 Speaker 3: Where I keep? 35 00:02:13,439 --> 00:02:15,479 Speaker 1: What's going on with us? 36 00:02:16,639 --> 00:02:17,159 Speaker 2: With us? 37 00:02:17,520 --> 00:02:22,960 Speaker 3: Well, we are in the process of publishing one book 38 00:02:23,039 --> 00:02:26,639 that you wrote, and then you and I are currently 39 00:02:26,800 --> 00:02:32,240 working on a book together, paranormal themed, and hopefully that 40 00:02:32,360 --> 00:02:33,719 could be out later this year. 41 00:02:35,039 --> 00:02:37,560 Speaker 1: I hope it'll be out before later this year. 42 00:02:38,479 --> 00:02:43,000 Speaker 3: You know what it takes us to actually start writing, 43 00:02:43,599 --> 00:02:45,840 you know, click and a click of the keyboard. 44 00:02:46,360 --> 00:02:47,879 Speaker 1: Well, I'm starting that next week. 45 00:02:48,280 --> 00:02:53,039 Speaker 3: I yes, yeah, we're just getting our notes together. 46 00:02:53,719 --> 00:02:55,680 Speaker 1: I want to get it over and done with before 47 00:02:55,719 --> 00:02:58,439 the sun comes to Wiles because it doesn't come very 48 00:02:58,479 --> 00:02:59,840 often and I'm not going to miss. 49 00:02:59,680 --> 00:02:59,879 Speaker 4: It this. 50 00:03:01,639 --> 00:03:01,960 Speaker 3: Okay. 51 00:03:02,280 --> 00:03:04,680 Speaker 1: And my new book, by the way, is Walking with 52 00:03:04,840 --> 00:03:05,199 the Dead. 53 00:03:05,919 --> 00:03:09,240 Speaker 3: Yes, Walking with the Dead will hopefully be out here 54 00:03:09,919 --> 00:03:15,360 within the month so, if not sooner, so we will 55 00:03:15,400 --> 00:03:17,199 look forward to that and let everybody know. 56 00:03:19,000 --> 00:03:23,800 Speaker 1: That's it all right, then nothing else that's our news. 57 00:03:23,919 --> 00:03:26,439 Speaker 3: Well, you know, the network is still going strong. 58 00:03:27,360 --> 00:03:27,520 Speaker 4: You know. 59 00:03:27,759 --> 00:03:31,199 Speaker 3: For two years in a row, we were rated as 60 00:03:31,400 --> 00:03:36,319 the number two paranormal podcast in the world by I 61 00:03:36,400 --> 00:03:43,919 forget who rated us a podcast podcast? Yeah, but we 62 00:03:44,039 --> 00:03:46,879 were number one the year before that. I'll take number two. 63 00:03:47,560 --> 00:03:51,639 Speaker 1: Yeah. And by the way, also, anybody that fancies themselves 64 00:03:52,319 --> 00:03:55,639 as a paranormal podcaster and wants to get onto a 65 00:03:55,800 --> 00:04:03,120 radio station, contact Pauk Radio dot com. 66 00:04:04,960 --> 00:04:07,319 Speaker 3: Yep, we are definitely looking for new shows to add 67 00:04:07,520 --> 00:04:08,240 to the network. 68 00:04:08,400 --> 00:04:12,919 Speaker 1: So some fresh blood, Yes, fresh blood, So what does 69 00:04:12,960 --> 00:04:13,520 that make us? 70 00:04:19,920 --> 00:04:26,480 Speaker 3: There we go, So I guess we'll get onto introducing 71 00:04:26,560 --> 00:04:32,480 our guest. As I mentioned, our guest was previously on 72 00:04:32,639 --> 00:04:36,759 the program coming up on eight years ago, Good Lord, 73 00:04:39,079 --> 00:04:42,360 and we talked about a variety of different subjects. We've 74 00:04:42,399 --> 00:04:46,079 got some really interesting new ones tonight now. Our guest 75 00:04:46,199 --> 00:04:52,240 is June Lundgren, who's a paranormal consultant and investigator, psychic medium, 76 00:04:52,920 --> 00:05:00,879 animal communicator, international author and with well over forty years 77 00:05:00,920 --> 00:05:04,600 of experience in the paranormal field. It is much as me. 78 00:05:06,040 --> 00:05:10,199 Speaker 1: Yes, well twenty years to go or. 79 00:05:12,000 --> 00:05:15,120 Speaker 3: So, how are you tonight? June, welcome to the program. 80 00:05:16,240 --> 00:05:19,160 Speaker 4: So good thanks for having me. It's a nice time day. 81 00:05:20,079 --> 00:05:24,079 Speaker 3: Oh rub it in. It's overcast and rainy here. 82 00:05:24,639 --> 00:05:30,839 Speaker 1: It's been sunny and hot here, and Juan's been here, yeah, 83 00:05:30,839 --> 00:05:33,079 and June's been laying about on the beach. 84 00:05:37,000 --> 00:05:39,680 Speaker 4: You stormy for that laying about in the time series 85 00:05:43,120 --> 00:05:43,639 and the pool. 86 00:05:44,519 --> 00:05:50,040 Speaker 1: Yeah, okay, all right. Then there's some markets who say 87 00:05:50,079 --> 00:05:52,680 it's not very good weather there where you are. No, 88 00:05:55,319 --> 00:05:56,800 it's so joining air. 89 00:05:58,360 --> 00:06:02,319 Speaker 3: Enjoy it while you can. You get, like, what maybe 90 00:06:02,360 --> 00:06:03,759 a week's worth of sunshiny year. 91 00:06:04,480 --> 00:06:05,399 Speaker 1: Yeah, maybe. 92 00:06:10,120 --> 00:06:14,600 Speaker 2: So, June, we wanted to talk to you today about 93 00:06:14,800 --> 00:06:17,480 your last couple of books that you put out, which 94 00:06:17,560 --> 00:06:21,399 is a subject that interests and fascinates. 95 00:06:20,879 --> 00:06:23,279 Speaker 3: A lot of people, dealing with demons. 96 00:06:24,279 --> 00:06:25,720 Speaker 2: Can you tell us a little. 97 00:06:25,480 --> 00:06:29,519 Speaker 3: Bit about the books. What got you into that type 98 00:06:29,560 --> 00:06:30,120 of research. 99 00:06:31,160 --> 00:06:34,399 Speaker 4: Well, I've always been able to see demons in their 100 00:06:34,399 --> 00:06:38,120 true forms, so I've always been able to see them, 101 00:06:38,600 --> 00:06:41,519 communicate with them and get rid of them. So it's 102 00:06:41,959 --> 00:06:43,720 since I was four and a half I've been seeing 103 00:06:43,759 --> 00:06:48,079 them in their true form, which is not how most 104 00:06:48,240 --> 00:06:53,040 humans see them. And that's probably because I have an 105 00:06:53,199 --> 00:06:58,720 archangel for a soul. I died in back in eighty six, 106 00:06:59,240 --> 00:07:02,360 and I went to the other side and Michael the 107 00:07:02,839 --> 00:07:04,959 angels there. He says, this is who you truly are. 108 00:07:05,560 --> 00:07:08,639 He said, you're aerial of the archangel. You were sent 109 00:07:08,839 --> 00:07:11,199 down through the human lives until you learn to have 110 00:07:11,319 --> 00:07:16,439 compassion for mankind. Because she's a demon slayer. She you know, 111 00:07:16,920 --> 00:07:21,680 has a thing about humans because then in her experience 112 00:07:22,199 --> 00:07:25,160 of a lot of humans will summon demons and then 113 00:07:25,360 --> 00:07:27,959 they then they cry out for help. So it's like, 114 00:07:28,279 --> 00:07:31,480 you know, that's the way it is. But people say 115 00:07:31,600 --> 00:07:34,160 that when she comes forward to what I'm doing, a removal, 116 00:07:34,240 --> 00:07:38,240 they see physical manifestations. They see wings coming out of 117 00:07:38,279 --> 00:07:41,759 my shoulders, my eyes turn white, and my face and 118 00:07:41,839 --> 00:07:46,040 my voice changes, and those are just some physical manifestations 119 00:07:46,120 --> 00:07:52,600 of her. But I've been doing this since nineteen eighty six, 120 00:07:54,120 --> 00:07:56,439 and when I went to the other side, Michael says, 121 00:07:56,519 --> 00:07:58,399 this isn't what you're supposed to be doing. You're supposed 122 00:07:58,399 --> 00:08:01,360 to be, you know, dealing with the demons. So I've 123 00:08:01,399 --> 00:08:05,680 been doing that since eighty six. Demons. I can do 124 00:08:05,759 --> 00:08:08,920 it from a distance because I don't have to be 125 00:08:09,079 --> 00:08:12,560 there in person. All I need is a picture or 126 00:08:13,079 --> 00:08:16,120 an email or something some communication of some form, and 127 00:08:16,240 --> 00:08:18,680 I can see what's there, how long it's been there, 128 00:08:19,279 --> 00:08:21,639 what it's been doing, and then I can get rid 129 00:08:21,680 --> 00:08:21,839 of it. 130 00:08:24,279 --> 00:08:26,759 Speaker 1: Okay, what do you class as a demon? 131 00:08:28,279 --> 00:08:31,000 Speaker 4: A demon is something that's never had never been human. 132 00:08:31,279 --> 00:08:35,720 It can never take on human form or physical form. 133 00:08:36,399 --> 00:08:40,080 It is like, you know, there's Lucifer, and then there's 134 00:08:40,120 --> 00:08:43,240 the old demons, which are the most powerful, and then 135 00:08:43,320 --> 00:08:47,399 there are the lesser demons, which i'd liken to hormonal teenagers. 136 00:08:48,279 --> 00:08:51,600 And then there are the minions, the shadow people, the 137 00:08:51,679 --> 00:08:56,759 heart bees they call imps, creepy cali. 138 00:08:56,559 --> 00:09:04,159 Speaker 1: Dudes, yeah, yeah, which I call critis astrol critters. Yeah, 139 00:09:04,200 --> 00:09:10,120 I called them critis. So do you actually remove demons 140 00:09:10,240 --> 00:09:12,360 from people that have been possessed? 141 00:09:13,120 --> 00:09:16,240 Speaker 4: Oh? Yeah, yeah, I've had several several cases. 142 00:09:17,039 --> 00:09:19,720 Speaker 1: So what sort what sort of demons are like? Because 143 00:09:19,720 --> 00:09:24,480 you've got several different types of demons that people. 144 00:09:24,720 --> 00:09:29,000 Speaker 4: Right, they're usually either an old demon or the lesser demon. 145 00:09:29,159 --> 00:09:32,440 But you know, it's people think that, you know, if 146 00:09:32,480 --> 00:09:35,799 you're possessed, it's twenty four seven, But the only time 147 00:09:35,879 --> 00:09:39,279 it's twenty four to seven is if you have for 148 00:09:39,480 --> 00:09:44,519 the one demon in possession because the reason what started 149 00:09:44,559 --> 00:09:47,600 the war between quote unquote Heaven and Hell was the 150 00:09:47,679 --> 00:09:50,600 fact that we were all white like beings at one time. 151 00:09:50,960 --> 00:09:53,960 And then Lucifer rose up against God and said, you know, 152 00:09:54,480 --> 00:09:56,440 we don't want to have physical form, We don't want 153 00:09:56,440 --> 00:09:58,759 to be subject to a shell, and this is not 154 00:09:59,039 --> 00:10:02,480 what we want. And so that's where the war began. 155 00:10:02,960 --> 00:10:06,639 And then Michael disarms Lucifer and Aerial disarmed his son, 156 00:10:07,159 --> 00:10:09,039 and God said, you know, we're not gonna put up 157 00:10:09,039 --> 00:10:10,960 with this anymore. You can't live among us. So he 158 00:10:11,120 --> 00:10:14,840 opened a rift into a dark realm and that's where 159 00:10:14,919 --> 00:10:18,159 he put them and sealed the rift. But you know, 160 00:10:19,000 --> 00:10:21,120 at first they were happy with it because they didn't 161 00:10:21,120 --> 00:10:23,559 want to have to deal with it, you know, taking 162 00:10:23,639 --> 00:10:27,399 on physical form or anything like that. But over over this, 163 00:10:27,799 --> 00:10:30,840 over the billions of years, they've become pissy, of course, 164 00:10:31,039 --> 00:10:34,799 you know, and they want revenge, and that's why they're here. 165 00:10:35,360 --> 00:10:38,879 They seek revenge from white light souls, you know, and 166 00:10:39,159 --> 00:10:42,200 that's why the cause as much pains and suffering as possible. 167 00:10:42,960 --> 00:10:43,279 M hm. 168 00:10:43,840 --> 00:10:46,840 Speaker 1: So when they actually sorry about Mark, but when they 169 00:10:46,879 --> 00:10:49,919 actually possessed somebody, you can tell what type of demon 170 00:10:50,000 --> 00:10:52,320 it actually is whether it's a close, it's a purchase 171 00:10:52,440 --> 00:10:53,000 or a pety. 172 00:10:54,039 --> 00:10:57,240 Speaker 4: Yeah. Yeah, it's just it's just quite simple. I just know. 173 00:10:58,080 --> 00:11:01,360 And it's like I could usually tell when something's coming 174 00:11:01,480 --> 00:11:02,440 long before it's coming. 175 00:11:03,200 --> 00:11:09,480 Speaker 1: Yeah, So Clausius, what how would you tell that it 176 00:11:09,600 --> 00:11:10,960 was Clausius for a start? 177 00:11:12,679 --> 00:11:15,919 Speaker 4: Well, I don't know that term. I don't give them 178 00:11:15,960 --> 00:11:22,440 a differential term. Yeah. 179 00:11:22,559 --> 00:11:26,200 Speaker 1: Well, Clausus is a closed demon, one that hides deep 180 00:11:26,240 --> 00:11:30,039 within the psyche, and it's very very difficult to get 181 00:11:30,039 --> 00:11:33,440 it removed. Whereas a purpose is an open one. You 182 00:11:33,480 --> 00:11:37,840 can tell the clauses because the eyes rolled back underneath silence. 183 00:11:38,480 --> 00:11:40,360 Speaker 4: Yeah, I just call on brain dwelling one. 184 00:11:42,879 --> 00:11:46,039 Speaker 1: Okay, Well the worst one is the epita as far 185 00:11:46,120 --> 00:11:49,759 as I'm concerned. Yeah, that's just very difficult. That really 186 00:11:49,879 --> 00:11:52,759 sits in the psyche, and to try and remove that 187 00:11:53,080 --> 00:11:55,360 is it takes a hell of a lot of effort, 188 00:11:55,399 --> 00:11:56,879 a hell of a lot of energy, in a hell 189 00:11:56,879 --> 00:11:57,600 of a lot of work. 190 00:11:58,559 --> 00:12:02,120 Speaker 4: Yeah, it's with most if you had a deliverance minister 191 00:12:02,559 --> 00:12:06,600 or a Catholic priest that was going to do their yes, 192 00:12:06,759 --> 00:12:09,080 I can understand where it would take a long time. 193 00:12:09,360 --> 00:12:12,399 With me, it doesn't because I see Well. 194 00:12:12,240 --> 00:12:15,679 Speaker 1: You're like but you're like me, aren't you. I do 195 00:12:15,840 --> 00:12:18,799 everything remotely. I've been fighting demons now foul or that, 196 00:12:19,879 --> 00:12:24,840 sixty years something like that. Yeah, and the furthest I've done. 197 00:12:24,879 --> 00:12:29,639 It's from Wales to New Zealand. Moved one in New 198 00:12:29,720 --> 00:12:32,279 Zealand from and I was in my kitchen in Wales 199 00:12:32,320 --> 00:12:32,759 at the time. 200 00:12:33,720 --> 00:12:38,879 Speaker 4: Yeah, so I from Australia, the Netherlands. It's just a moment. 201 00:12:40,759 --> 00:12:41,720 They don't have distance. 202 00:12:41,799 --> 00:12:44,519 Speaker 1: On the other side, I've done them all over the 203 00:12:44,559 --> 00:12:48,360 world as well. But this is why I can understand 204 00:12:48,440 --> 00:12:53,679 what you're talking about, because you remove and I'm remotely. 205 00:12:55,240 --> 00:12:59,320 Speaker 4: Yeah, it's it's uh, you just cast them out. 206 00:12:59,639 --> 00:13:00,279 Speaker 3: Is that you do? 207 00:13:03,240 --> 00:13:06,600 Speaker 1: I get rid of them. You cannot destroy a demon. 208 00:13:06,679 --> 00:13:11,320 Nobody can destroy a demon, because yes you can, but no, 209 00:13:11,480 --> 00:13:15,240 you can. You cannot destroy a dmon. You can remove 210 00:13:15,320 --> 00:13:17,320 a demon, you can get rid of a demon, but 211 00:13:17,360 --> 00:13:19,000 you can't destroy the demon. 212 00:13:19,679 --> 00:13:23,639 Speaker 4: Not if you're just a human being. No. That's when 213 00:13:24,080 --> 00:13:26,919 when I do do the killing of the demons, it's 214 00:13:27,360 --> 00:13:30,679 in a different whole, different plane of existence, and Aero 215 00:13:30,799 --> 00:13:31,799 comes forward and does it. 216 00:13:32,480 --> 00:13:37,279 Speaker 1: Yeah, it's not me. I completely change. You've seen it. 217 00:13:37,360 --> 00:13:37,840 Speaker 2: I mean, I'm. 218 00:13:38,240 --> 00:13:42,240 Speaker 4: Yeah, that's what happens. You just you just kill it. 219 00:13:42,639 --> 00:13:46,279 There's no other way around it. You can't. I know. 220 00:13:46,360 --> 00:13:48,720 It's probably about five or six years ago, and God said, 221 00:13:48,840 --> 00:13:53,639 you know what, Yeah, Lucifer's right, I'm too I'm too 222 00:13:54,279 --> 00:13:57,799 lenient on the demons, he says. He said, from then on, 223 00:13:57,919 --> 00:14:00,559 he says, I want them to be killed. So we 224 00:14:00,679 --> 00:14:05,559 started out about five years ago and it's been we've 225 00:14:05,559 --> 00:14:10,039 been going ever since. And there it kind of yeah, yeah, 226 00:14:10,039 --> 00:14:13,120 it's been one thing the other. It's I had a 227 00:14:13,399 --> 00:14:21,320 big battle and eighteen eighteen eighteen against Lucifer's son August eighteen, 228 00:14:21,399 --> 00:14:26,559 twenty eighteen, when Lucifer's Lucifer's son had been tracking Aeriel 229 00:14:27,679 --> 00:14:31,480 and he's the one who was basically calling her out 230 00:14:32,600 --> 00:14:36,879 and she ended up killing him. Lucifer came to her 231 00:14:37,200 --> 00:14:40,840 prior to the battle and said, listen, I didn't sanction this. 232 00:14:41,480 --> 00:14:45,639 This is not something that I want. He said, he's 233 00:14:45,679 --> 00:14:49,159 on his own. Whatever happens is on his head. And 234 00:14:49,240 --> 00:14:52,600 then he just Lucifer just walked away, and I'm like, okay, 235 00:14:53,840 --> 00:14:57,000 you know, it's on his own head. Nobody else. Not 236 00:14:57,080 --> 00:14:59,840 as bad as most people think he is. But there 237 00:14:59,919 --> 00:15:04,320 is that respect between the archangels, the Legion of Light, 238 00:15:05,840 --> 00:15:11,440 God Jesus, and and Lucifer. There is that respect and 239 00:15:11,559 --> 00:15:12,240 they stick with that. 240 00:15:13,000 --> 00:15:13,399 Speaker 1: Mm hmm. 241 00:15:14,279 --> 00:15:16,559 Speaker 4: You know it happens where I had a lady that 242 00:15:16,840 --> 00:15:21,360 contacted me. She had eleven demons. They contacted me and 243 00:15:21,440 --> 00:15:23,960 said she was possessed, and I'm like, right, send me 244 00:15:24,000 --> 00:15:26,639 a picture. Well, no, she sent me the picture. I 245 00:15:26,679 --> 00:15:29,639 knew that there was someone there, and I knew how 246 00:15:29,679 --> 00:15:33,480 many were there, and God said, I want you to 247 00:15:33,559 --> 00:15:35,759 take you know, Aaron who's a friend of mine, who's 248 00:15:36,000 --> 00:15:37,879 ordained minister, So I want you to take him with 249 00:15:38,000 --> 00:15:41,320 you because he fears the dark ones and when he 250 00:15:41,399 --> 00:15:44,600 cannot fear the dark ones and serve me. So he 251 00:15:44,759 --> 00:15:47,360 went with me, and then one of the other girls 252 00:15:48,120 --> 00:15:51,039 of the Girl that made up my Bis Girl's paranormal team. 253 00:15:51,559 --> 00:15:53,679 I told him, I said, you need to prepare because 254 00:15:53,720 --> 00:15:56,279 this is like nothing you've ever seen before, nothing you've 255 00:15:56,320 --> 00:16:00,399 ever experienced. And it took me took me three hours 256 00:16:00,480 --> 00:16:04,799 to remove in of them. On the eleventh one. It 257 00:16:04,960 --> 00:16:07,200 was hiding out from Lucifer. I can look into their 258 00:16:07,240 --> 00:16:10,639 mind and find out why they're there and what they're 259 00:16:10,679 --> 00:16:14,320 hiding from and it was hiding from a Lucifer because 260 00:16:14,440 --> 00:16:16,879 Lucifer had given it a job and it just blew 261 00:16:16,960 --> 00:16:22,600 him off, didn't do it, and so so he's I said, fine, 262 00:16:22,639 --> 00:16:24,279 I said, do you want to go home? I said, 263 00:16:24,320 --> 00:16:27,399 you can return to the light. If your repentance, you 264 00:16:27,440 --> 00:16:30,759 can return to the light. And I said, Jesus, come forth. 265 00:16:31,080 --> 00:16:32,600 And my friends were standing in front of me, and 266 00:16:32,639 --> 00:16:36,879 they part as this huge white hand comes out towards 267 00:16:36,960 --> 00:16:41,120 the woman. And then the demon said no, I can 268 00:16:41,200 --> 00:16:44,120 never go home, and he like hunkered back inside of her, 269 00:16:45,200 --> 00:16:48,399 and I said, so be it. So Jesus removed his hand, 270 00:16:48,600 --> 00:16:50,919 and then I said, so be it. Lucifer come forth, 271 00:16:52,080 --> 00:16:54,799 and Lucifer appeared at the end of the hallway and 272 00:16:54,960 --> 00:16:59,240 came georgeous. And my friends are like kind of my 273 00:16:59,320 --> 00:17:01,840 friend is or they mins her, he said desperus forul 274 00:17:01,879 --> 00:17:04,599 a second, he said, I kind of freaked out, he said, 275 00:17:04,599 --> 00:17:06,319 and then I remembered who and what you are, and 276 00:17:06,440 --> 00:17:10,759 I was okay. And what they saw was a black 277 00:17:11,599 --> 00:17:15,480 figure in a fedora double breast's suits fats with no 278 00:17:15,720 --> 00:17:19,599 features except the gold eyes. Come down the hallway and 279 00:17:19,960 --> 00:17:22,200 Lucifer said, you know, come out of there, you're coming 280 00:17:22,279 --> 00:17:25,279 with me and he said, no, I'm not going anywhere. 281 00:17:26,240 --> 00:17:28,039 So Lucifer turned and looked at me and said, I 282 00:17:28,119 --> 00:17:30,160 know you don't want me to harm the woman, so 283 00:17:30,319 --> 00:17:32,680 I will be back for it tonight. And he turned 284 00:17:32,680 --> 00:17:34,039 around and disapeared down the hall. 285 00:17:35,119 --> 00:17:36,240 Speaker 1: And where was this? 286 00:17:36,839 --> 00:17:37,880 Speaker 4: Where was sorry? 287 00:17:37,920 --> 00:17:38,400 Speaker 1: Whereabouts? 288 00:17:38,519 --> 00:17:41,359 Speaker 4: Was this that was locally in for? It? 289 00:17:41,480 --> 00:17:41,519 Speaker 3: Was? 290 00:17:42,440 --> 00:17:46,319 Speaker 4: Yeah? Yeah, And so I told the woman, I said, 291 00:17:46,319 --> 00:17:48,559 don't worry about it. He'll be back. Lucifer will be 292 00:17:48,640 --> 00:17:51,519 back tonight for it. We all went home and we 293 00:17:51,599 --> 00:17:54,799 all woke up at three am, and I heard Lucifer 294 00:17:54,839 --> 00:17:59,680 say it's done, and we and we went back to 295 00:18:00,000 --> 00:18:03,880 everybody went back to sleep. And then the next morning 296 00:18:03,960 --> 00:18:06,240 I called her and she says, oh my gosh, says, 297 00:18:06,319 --> 00:18:09,759 I haven't felt like this in over twenty years. He said, 298 00:18:09,920 --> 00:18:14,200 I feel absolutely empty. And I said, I said, please 299 00:18:14,319 --> 00:18:18,519 go get counseling. I said, you have PTSD, having these 300 00:18:18,599 --> 00:18:21,960 things within you, That's that's one of the. 301 00:18:21,960 --> 00:18:24,720 Speaker 1: Most important things, isn't it. The counseling at the end. 302 00:18:25,720 --> 00:18:27,440 Speaker 4: Yeah, So she the last thing I knew she was 303 00:18:27,640 --> 00:18:28,839 in counseling and doing well. 304 00:18:30,160 --> 00:18:32,880 Speaker 1: So what do you think, What do you think of sorry. 305 00:18:33,039 --> 00:18:34,400 What do you think of elopmentals? 306 00:18:35,400 --> 00:18:37,400 Speaker 4: I like elementals. Most of them are pretty good. 307 00:18:39,359 --> 00:18:41,519 Speaker 1: Yeah, we've got some pretty good ones in Europe. You 308 00:18:41,599 --> 00:18:44,839 know the one at lap Castle from Style right. 309 00:18:44,960 --> 00:18:48,079 Speaker 4: Yeah, every now and then you get a nasty one, 310 00:18:48,480 --> 00:18:51,279 but for the most part, I don't know. They don't 311 00:18:51,440 --> 00:18:52,240 bother me in the lease. 312 00:18:52,880 --> 00:18:55,279 Speaker 1: Well, the one at lake Castle is a bit negative. 313 00:18:55,480 --> 00:18:59,680 He's a bit of a nasty It's about the size 314 00:18:59,680 --> 00:19:03,599 of a sep and he's got a human head apparently 315 00:19:03,720 --> 00:19:08,640 instincts the rotten flesh lay castles in Ireland. It's a 316 00:19:08,799 --> 00:19:11,839 very famous I think it must be one of the 317 00:19:11,880 --> 00:19:15,799 most famous elementals we got in Europe is this one. 318 00:19:16,319 --> 00:19:19,279 And he only he only comes when he's provoked, And 319 00:19:19,759 --> 00:19:21,759 of course you get the tourists over there trying to 320 00:19:21,920 --> 00:19:23,599 provoke it so that. 321 00:19:23,720 --> 00:19:29,880 Speaker 3: It will appear, you know, for the stupid ghost Hunters, 322 00:19:29,920 --> 00:19:32,200 because you know the ship. They've had a few shows 323 00:19:32,279 --> 00:19:32,839 going there. 324 00:19:33,480 --> 00:19:40,279 Speaker 4: Oh yeah, yeah, yeah. Ghost Adventures went there, I remember, right. 325 00:19:40,720 --> 00:19:43,960 Speaker 3: Ghost Adventures, but the Ghost Hunters TV show were the 326 00:19:44,000 --> 00:19:45,240 first host to go there. 327 00:19:46,200 --> 00:19:47,839 Speaker 1: I know, most haunted went there. 328 00:19:49,200 --> 00:19:53,079 Speaker 4: Yeah, I went. I was on the Ghost Adventures show 329 00:19:53,160 --> 00:19:55,920 and removed the demon there and I told him, I said, 330 00:19:55,920 --> 00:19:58,880 the demon wanted me to give Zach Bagan's a message 331 00:19:59,000 --> 00:20:00,920 and I said, that's gonna read. And what I'm here, 332 00:20:01,720 --> 00:20:06,480 Oh my message, I said, I said you, here's the 333 00:20:06,559 --> 00:20:10,680 message from the demon. The demon was standing and he 334 00:20:10,799 --> 00:20:12,920 wanted to see what I saw. So I told him, 335 00:20:13,880 --> 00:20:15,599 I said, you don't want to see what I see. 336 00:20:16,319 --> 00:20:18,119 And he made a big stink about it. So I 337 00:20:18,160 --> 00:20:19,599 told him, I said, oh, my hand, and see what 338 00:20:19,720 --> 00:20:23,519 you see. And he just freaked out. And I told him, 339 00:20:23,559 --> 00:20:26,480 I said, it's not for everyone. I said, I see 340 00:20:26,519 --> 00:20:30,480 them in their truth form. Said that, yeah, that'll not 341 00:20:30,839 --> 00:20:34,880 you'll not be happy about yeah, and he is. The 342 00:20:34,920 --> 00:20:39,799 demon told him quit provoking, but provoking and quit disrespecting, 343 00:20:40,000 --> 00:20:43,319 or you will pay the price. And I took gave 344 00:20:43,400 --> 00:20:46,319 him the message and everything, and he didn't do it. 345 00:20:46,480 --> 00:20:48,640 So when he bought that place called the Demon House, 346 00:20:49,079 --> 00:20:52,039 that same old demon that gave him the message took 347 00:20:52,079 --> 00:20:56,240 his sight. I told him, I said, you better pay 348 00:20:56,240 --> 00:20:59,279 attention and you better do what he says, because they 349 00:20:59,319 --> 00:21:03,359 don't come down here to give you a message for nothing. No, 350 00:21:03,440 --> 00:21:04,079 you better do it. 351 00:21:05,519 --> 00:21:08,119 Speaker 3: Well, It's true a couple of things there when you 352 00:21:08,200 --> 00:21:11,240 were on the Ghost Adventures show. How long ago was that? 353 00:21:11,799 --> 00:21:14,240 I've watched most of the episodes, and for some reason, 354 00:21:14,400 --> 00:21:15,559 that one's not coming to mind. 355 00:21:16,319 --> 00:21:19,240 Speaker 4: It's a number nine. I think it's I think it's 356 00:21:19,279 --> 00:21:23,559 a series nineteen. It was Great Guard of the Pacific. Okay, 357 00:21:24,319 --> 00:21:26,279 it was a four part special. I was at the 358 00:21:26,400 --> 00:21:29,839 Nordblad Hotel where I had removed demons earlier that year. 359 00:21:30,680 --> 00:21:33,640 Speaker 3: Okay, all right, I'll have to go back and look 360 00:21:33,640 --> 00:21:42,720 at that again. Do you have enough to share? No, well, 361 00:21:43,720 --> 00:21:45,279 shame on you. To the back of the line. Then, 362 00:21:46,839 --> 00:21:49,319 June when you just to touch on some things that 363 00:21:49,440 --> 00:21:56,319 you talked about earlier with the rebellious angels being sent 364 00:21:56,440 --> 00:22:01,079 to the dark Abyss whatever it was and sealed in Yah. 365 00:22:01,160 --> 00:22:05,519 So if they're sealed into that dimension, how do they 366 00:22:05,599 --> 00:22:07,279 get up here? Does cause trouble? 367 00:22:07,440 --> 00:22:12,559 Speaker 4: Simple? Simple? They create dark portals. They opened the door 368 00:22:12,799 --> 00:22:15,359 way into our world. It's not like they can't open 369 00:22:15,400 --> 00:22:17,559 a doorway into the light, but they can into our 370 00:22:17,599 --> 00:22:20,880 world because stop them. Think about how many paranormal groups 371 00:22:20,960 --> 00:22:22,960 do you know that are out there that do not 372 00:22:23,440 --> 00:22:26,400 protect and do not close the portals that they create 373 00:22:26,599 --> 00:22:31,440 in their investigation or their scrying or they're reading tarrows 374 00:22:32,559 --> 00:22:36,359 everything like that opens a portal and if you don't 375 00:22:36,400 --> 00:22:39,720 close it, anything and everything can come through. It's like 376 00:22:39,880 --> 00:22:41,880 leaving your house door open. Yeah, come on down. 377 00:22:44,240 --> 00:22:47,119 Speaker 3: I definitely agree with that with especially people use oji 378 00:22:47,240 --> 00:22:49,640 boards whatever. They don't know how to close them properly. 379 00:22:49,799 --> 00:22:51,000 Speaker 4: But exactly. 380 00:22:51,960 --> 00:22:55,079 Speaker 3: But you also said that one of the reasons they 381 00:22:55,279 --> 00:22:59,359 rebelled was because they didn't want to come into human form. 382 00:23:00,119 --> 00:23:03,920 So now, why all of a sudden would they choose 383 00:23:04,079 --> 00:23:06,400 to inhabit and possess human bodies. 384 00:23:07,079 --> 00:23:10,160 Speaker 4: See, that's the thing. It's not like they're being reborn 385 00:23:10,279 --> 00:23:13,319 and stuck in the shell for you know, ninety eighty 386 00:23:13,400 --> 00:23:16,759 years whatever. It's different because they can come and go 387 00:23:17,119 --> 00:23:20,559 and they do in a human body. You know. It's 388 00:23:20,720 --> 00:23:24,400 they do that to just create more problems for the individual, 389 00:23:25,000 --> 00:23:29,799 more pain, more sensual. Yeah, and it's about that's why. 390 00:23:30,200 --> 00:23:30,359 Speaker 2: You know. 391 00:23:30,720 --> 00:23:34,720 Speaker 4: It's it's kind of interesting where people will say, well, 392 00:23:34,960 --> 00:23:38,519 you know, this person is, this person is possessed, this 393 00:23:38,640 --> 00:23:43,759 person is, yes, and it's like it's not it it's 394 00:23:44,160 --> 00:23:50,960 really there's not as many true possessions as one would be. Yeah, 395 00:23:51,160 --> 00:23:54,200 it's it's a rarety that they're true possession. This woman 396 00:23:54,319 --> 00:23:57,559 that had it for twenty years had true possession. But 397 00:23:57,680 --> 00:24:00,720 there are others who just have attachments, you know, or 398 00:24:00,920 --> 00:24:04,640 are just influencing. It's all about what they choose to 399 00:24:04,720 --> 00:24:08,839 do and and being stmons traveling pacts, so you know, 400 00:24:08,960 --> 00:24:12,000 they're not loaners like the shadow people are. Shadow people 401 00:24:12,039 --> 00:24:16,599 are loners, you know. But the thing is, whenever someone 402 00:24:16,759 --> 00:24:21,920 connects with me, the activity will usually ramp up because 403 00:24:22,000 --> 00:24:25,000 they know that they know who I am, and they 404 00:24:25,079 --> 00:24:27,079 know what I am, and they don't want to be 405 00:24:27,160 --> 00:24:30,279 anywhere near Ariel because he they said, they know that 406 00:24:30,519 --> 00:24:33,880 she will absolutely kill her ass. That'll be that. 407 00:24:36,759 --> 00:24:43,599 Speaker 3: So would the the attachments be considered demonic oppression rather 408 00:24:43,720 --> 00:24:44,440 than possession? 409 00:24:45,400 --> 00:24:48,279 Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, it'd be more. It'd be more in that classification. 410 00:24:50,400 --> 00:24:54,680 Speaker 3: Okay. And you also said that they have an opportunity 411 00:24:54,720 --> 00:24:56,240 if they repent, they can go back. 412 00:24:57,279 --> 00:25:00,680 Speaker 4: They can. Yeah, that's It's not often that that is 413 00:25:00,799 --> 00:25:04,319 offered to them, of course, but it can be. And 414 00:25:04,480 --> 00:25:08,640 that's why Azue is in the dark realm. He is 415 00:25:08,799 --> 00:25:11,240 there because he went to God and said, when they 416 00:25:11,519 --> 00:25:13,279 when God sealed them in there, and he went to 417 00:25:13,359 --> 00:25:15,920 God and said, what if they want to repent? What 418 00:25:16,039 --> 00:25:18,920 if they want to come home? He says, how you know? 419 00:25:19,039 --> 00:25:21,759 How will we know? He says, I would like to 420 00:25:21,839 --> 00:25:26,039 be able to be there in the dark realm and 421 00:25:26,359 --> 00:25:30,240 take a handful of other archangels with me so that 422 00:25:30,960 --> 00:25:33,480 if someone wants to come back to the light, they can't. 423 00:25:35,359 --> 00:25:38,039 And I can count on one hand the amount of 424 00:25:38,559 --> 00:25:43,720 demons that have gone back, but there are also people. 425 00:25:44,000 --> 00:25:46,519 There are also demons like I call him Herb, I 426 00:25:46,559 --> 00:25:49,440 won't say his real name, and he's He came to 427 00:25:49,519 --> 00:25:52,079 me and says, listen, I want you to go. He's 428 00:25:52,119 --> 00:25:55,720 an old demon. I want you to go to Lucifer 429 00:25:56,039 --> 00:25:59,039 and ask if he would allow me to be the 430 00:25:59,079 --> 00:26:03,160 bridge between you know, the human world and the darkness, 431 00:26:04,240 --> 00:26:07,000 because I would really like to be able to help. 432 00:26:08,359 --> 00:26:11,000 And so I went to Lucifer and I said, well, 433 00:26:11,039 --> 00:26:13,920 this is what he wants to do. And Lucifer is like, 434 00:26:14,039 --> 00:26:16,880 you know, I have to talk among the old the 435 00:26:16,960 --> 00:26:20,680 other old ones and find out if they approved. So 436 00:26:20,920 --> 00:26:24,680 in the end they approved. And so when you see him, 437 00:26:25,559 --> 00:26:29,519 you see her. He's more trades of like soft grays 438 00:26:30,079 --> 00:26:33,839 than he is dark. And he'll come if something's happening 439 00:26:34,000 --> 00:26:36,880 or he feels there's something I should know about that 440 00:26:36,960 --> 00:26:40,279 there's something going on. Then he will, you know, he'll 441 00:26:40,319 --> 00:26:42,960 get a hold of me and he'll tell me what's 442 00:26:43,000 --> 00:26:45,240 going on or what needs to be done, you know, 443 00:26:45,279 --> 00:26:48,519 because there are always rugue demons. Rugue demons are just 444 00:26:48,799 --> 00:26:50,240 you know, you're going to have them no matter what. 445 00:26:50,839 --> 00:26:53,599 Lucifer cannot keep control of all of them, and there 446 00:26:53,640 --> 00:26:56,480 are those who turn against you know, what he does 447 00:26:57,039 --> 00:27:00,480 and feels that he himself is too lenient. 448 00:27:02,799 --> 00:27:05,319 Speaker 3: That brings up a question for me because I'm trying 449 00:27:05,359 --> 00:27:14,519 to understand, Uh, Lucifer's role. Is Lucifer the same as Satan? 450 00:27:16,039 --> 00:27:19,160 Speaker 4: Yeah, that Lucifer is his white light name. Satan is 451 00:27:19,240 --> 00:27:23,240 his dark name. So how to they have two names, 452 00:27:23,279 --> 00:27:25,079 the one of light and one of dark. I always 453 00:27:25,079 --> 00:27:29,359 call him Lucifer, which means the shining one, out of 454 00:27:29,440 --> 00:27:34,960 respect for him. The dark name is more derogatory, so 455 00:27:35,440 --> 00:27:36,880 I have a habit of not using it. 456 00:27:39,240 --> 00:27:44,440 Speaker 3: So you know, there's always the picture of Lucifer, Satan 457 00:27:46,400 --> 00:27:52,960 whatever names that people call him as being the ultimate 458 00:27:53,160 --> 00:27:57,640 evil trying to destroy mankind and whatnot. And from what 459 00:27:57,880 --> 00:28:03,359 you're talking about, it sounds like he's like a manager 460 00:28:04,640 --> 00:28:05,640 and you can talk. 461 00:28:07,119 --> 00:28:09,559 Speaker 4: He's like the head of the mafia, you know, kind 462 00:28:09,599 --> 00:28:11,720 of liken it to that the ahead of the mafia, 463 00:28:13,640 --> 00:28:16,680 and everybody and everybody else's is his people, you know, 464 00:28:17,519 --> 00:28:21,480 and what he says goes. He has three old demons 465 00:28:21,559 --> 00:28:25,319 that are first, second, and third in command, and they 466 00:28:25,640 --> 00:28:28,960 oversee like the old the other old demons, and they 467 00:28:29,200 --> 00:28:32,440 oversee the younger demons and the minions. Each one has 468 00:28:32,480 --> 00:28:36,319 a job to do and it's and he he, he 469 00:28:36,519 --> 00:28:39,720 is like above all of these, you know, he controls 470 00:28:39,839 --> 00:28:43,599 all of that. But like I said, there are rogue demons, 471 00:28:43,920 --> 00:28:47,519 you know, that happened occasionally, and people don't understand that 472 00:28:47,680 --> 00:28:52,559 demons evolve, just like angels of all and demon. A 473 00:28:52,680 --> 00:28:57,000 demon can push its evolution, it can try to force 474 00:28:57,119 --> 00:29:00,920 the evolution. And when it does, it doesn't act like 475 00:29:01,079 --> 00:29:03,920 other demons. It goes crazy. If they were a human, 476 00:29:04,359 --> 00:29:08,319 I'd say they went absolutely psycho because they don't act, 477 00:29:08,720 --> 00:29:12,160 they don't travel in packs, they don't have creepy callies 478 00:29:12,240 --> 00:29:16,680 with them, and they do things that are unpredictable. And 479 00:29:16,799 --> 00:29:20,240 if Lucifer finds one of them, he kills them because 480 00:29:20,839 --> 00:29:24,559 to him, they are a liability to him and he 481 00:29:24,680 --> 00:29:28,119 won't have that at all or if he or if 482 00:29:28,160 --> 00:29:30,759 he finds a rogue or something like that it's getting 483 00:29:30,799 --> 00:29:33,440 out of hand. You know, he'll come to me and say, 484 00:29:33,599 --> 00:29:36,839 you know, I have this one, you know, because it 485 00:29:37,000 --> 00:29:41,400 saves him face if Ariel kills it, rather than him 486 00:29:41,480 --> 00:29:44,640 killing it. So he will say that, you know, I've 487 00:29:44,680 --> 00:29:48,519 got this one needs to be dealt with, and as 488 00:29:48,559 --> 00:29:51,720 a favor to him, she will do it. But then 489 00:29:51,799 --> 00:29:56,359 he owes her. So it's it's a it's a you know, 490 00:29:56,839 --> 00:29:57,920 a mutual respecting. 491 00:29:58,839 --> 00:30:04,079 Speaker 3: Very interesting one of the things. And YouTube both can 492 00:30:05,079 --> 00:30:07,359 tell me about your thoughts on this, since I've never 493 00:30:07,440 --> 00:30:13,640 actually really encountered any demonic entities in my twenty years 494 00:30:13,720 --> 00:30:15,000 of paranormal research. 495 00:30:16,599 --> 00:30:17,480 Speaker 1: Negative energy. 496 00:30:18,720 --> 00:30:21,759 Speaker 3: Yeah, well that's where I want to go with negative energy, 497 00:30:22,440 --> 00:30:28,319 because it seems to me that these types of entities 498 00:30:29,200 --> 00:30:34,640 that attach themselves to people and people who have personal 499 00:30:34,759 --> 00:30:40,759 issues alcoholics or people who for whatever reason is spiritually 500 00:30:40,839 --> 00:30:46,079 and mentally deficient, and that allows these things to come in. 501 00:30:49,759 --> 00:30:52,240 But you know, I always like in it more like 502 00:30:52,319 --> 00:30:57,240 a parasite. It's because these things consist of negative energy. 503 00:30:58,000 --> 00:31:03,119 They feed on negative energy, and so they create as 504 00:31:03,240 --> 00:31:08,720 much chaos in a person or multiple people in people's 505 00:31:08,799 --> 00:31:14,240 lives in order to create that negative energy of fear, hate, 506 00:31:14,319 --> 00:31:16,920 whatever that that just they feed on it, and the 507 00:31:17,039 --> 00:31:20,119 more they feed, the stronger they get. So I liken 508 00:31:20,200 --> 00:31:22,079 them too, like a spiritual mosquito. 509 00:31:23,240 --> 00:31:27,720 Speaker 4: Yeah, kind of. They're a pain in my that's quite. 510 00:31:27,599 --> 00:31:31,359 Speaker 1: That is quite a good aology of them, actually, yeah 511 00:31:32,359 --> 00:31:33,720 mhm parasitic. 512 00:31:34,799 --> 00:31:37,119 Speaker 4: Yeah, there can be a pain in the butt, especially 513 00:31:37,240 --> 00:31:42,240 the thank your best and suckers because they're tricks. Yeah. 514 00:31:42,480 --> 00:31:45,599 But yeah, whenever you remove a demon, you have to 515 00:31:45,680 --> 00:31:49,680 remove the negative energy that is that has been created 516 00:31:49,759 --> 00:31:52,680 by them as well. In the physics, it's not it's not. 517 00:31:54,319 --> 00:31:56,720 Speaker 1: An aduct but you've also got to put the positive 518 00:31:56,839 --> 00:31:58,000 energy back into the place. 519 00:31:59,160 --> 00:32:02,240 Speaker 4: Yes that yeah, that's and that's what we do when 520 00:32:02,240 --> 00:32:06,039 we do the cleansing of the we removed that We 521 00:32:06,160 --> 00:32:07,920 remove the energy and put it in its place, the 522 00:32:07,960 --> 00:32:12,279 white light energy. Know that it can purify and clear 523 00:32:12,400 --> 00:32:15,000 everything away. But people have a tendency to think that, 524 00:32:15,839 --> 00:32:18,319 you know, if a demon is attached to one individual, 525 00:32:18,480 --> 00:32:22,759 that that's the only person they affect. But that's not accurate. 526 00:32:22,880 --> 00:32:26,720 They affect everyone within that person's inner circle. That's how 527 00:32:26,799 --> 00:32:30,720 they work. Why not, you know, it's like if they 528 00:32:30,759 --> 00:32:33,759 have that imo, and if people don't realize it, why 529 00:32:33,799 --> 00:32:37,039 are you suddenly having fights with your boyfriend or your 530 00:32:37,119 --> 00:32:40,279 husband or why you know, why is your animal having 531 00:32:40,440 --> 00:32:44,079 health issues? Because you know, they'll take your health down, 532 00:32:44,400 --> 00:32:47,559 you know, your your financial stuff will go down in 533 00:32:47,680 --> 00:32:50,599 the toilet. Their whole life goes in the toilet. And 534 00:32:50,920 --> 00:32:55,440 that's just that's just how they work. And people just think, oh, 535 00:32:55,640 --> 00:32:58,920 you know, I'm I'm jinked or I'm cursed or whatever. 536 00:32:59,000 --> 00:33:02,920 And I'm like, yeah, whatever, No, that's not what that's 537 00:33:03,000 --> 00:33:05,759 not what's going on. I wish I could say that. 538 00:33:05,880 --> 00:33:08,000 I wish I could say, yeah, that's that's the whole problem. 539 00:33:08,440 --> 00:33:08,960 But that's not. 540 00:33:09,839 --> 00:33:11,799 Speaker 1: Okay, John, let's get off the dark stuff. 541 00:33:11,880 --> 00:33:12,039 Speaker 4: Now. 542 00:33:12,680 --> 00:33:14,279 Speaker 1: Have you seen any ghosts lately? 543 00:33:15,640 --> 00:33:20,039 Speaker 4: Oh? Yeah, all the time, you've done some ghost Yeah. 544 00:33:20,279 --> 00:33:22,279 It's like, you know, somebody will call me up and say, oh, 545 00:33:22,519 --> 00:33:24,839 you know, or something emails saying that you know, there's 546 00:33:25,160 --> 00:33:28,240 there's something negative here, and I'm like, no, you know, 547 00:33:28,319 --> 00:33:30,920 it's not. It's not negative. It's like I have a 548 00:33:30,960 --> 00:33:33,440 lot of people you know, email me and say, you know, 549 00:33:33,640 --> 00:33:36,480 these things are going on, this has been happening. Yeah, 550 00:33:36,640 --> 00:33:40,799 And you just you know, and then you get a picture. Yeah, 551 00:33:41,200 --> 00:33:43,240 you get a picture of a location. It's like, oh, 552 00:33:43,319 --> 00:33:45,960 it's your cousin or your mom or your dad or whatever. 553 00:33:46,440 --> 00:33:48,480 And then you give them the message that that they're 554 00:33:48,640 --> 00:33:50,440 there to you to deliver. 555 00:33:51,319 --> 00:33:55,000 Speaker 1: Yeah, this is it over here. You know, it's more 556 00:33:55,119 --> 00:33:59,799 ghosts and demons in America's more demons and ghosts. Yeah, 557 00:34:02,440 --> 00:34:05,079 that's what it comes on seats. Isn't it demon it's not. 558 00:34:05,920 --> 00:34:07,799 Speaker 4: Yeah, that's and that's what they want, you know, they 559 00:34:07,839 --> 00:34:13,039 want everything. Everything is neat, everything is everything's a demon? 560 00:34:13,119 --> 00:34:16,079 Everything negative. It's not always I tell them, you know, 561 00:34:16,400 --> 00:34:18,599 it's probably more likely to be your grandmar or grandpa, 562 00:34:19,480 --> 00:34:20,000 is true. 563 00:34:20,519 --> 00:34:20,920 Speaker 1: That's true. 564 00:34:21,760 --> 00:34:24,360 Speaker 4: And like when I go to the graveyards, it's always 565 00:34:24,480 --> 00:34:25,800 human spirits, you know. 566 00:34:26,039 --> 00:34:29,559 Speaker 1: That's it. That's the dead. Color shoe darling, can they 567 00:34:30,719 --> 00:34:32,920 that's what they say. The dead cann't hurt you live 568 00:34:32,960 --> 00:34:37,199 in that hurtshoe. But so I wouldn't wander around over 569 00:34:37,360 --> 00:34:40,039 here in a graveyard on my own at night no more. 570 00:34:40,159 --> 00:34:41,159 Speaker 4: Yeah, no, I don't bother. 571 00:34:41,440 --> 00:34:43,559 Speaker 1: But it's not it's not the dead that I'm worried about. 572 00:34:43,559 --> 00:34:46,920 Speaker 4: It's more than living, yes, living, Yeah, my Grandma said 573 00:34:46,920 --> 00:34:49,719 that she's a medium show because you know, dead people, 574 00:34:49,800 --> 00:34:52,039 you have to worry about the living like that. I know. 575 00:34:52,840 --> 00:34:54,800 Speaker 1: And what about the pets stuff? How are you getting 576 00:34:54,840 --> 00:34:55,400 on with that now? 577 00:34:56,559 --> 00:34:59,079 Speaker 4: Yeah? I have a lot of people. In fact, I've 578 00:34:59,119 --> 00:35:02,679 got a reading tomorrow about two pats ones. That's one 579 00:35:02,719 --> 00:35:04,599 that crossed and one that's back again. 580 00:35:05,159 --> 00:35:08,159 Speaker 1: I lost my my little dog last week. 581 00:35:09,719 --> 00:35:13,239 Speaker 4: That's always really really hard. I love she was. 582 00:35:15,280 --> 00:35:17,119 Speaker 1: Yeah, she was twenty years old. 583 00:35:18,599 --> 00:35:22,800 Speaker 4: Wow, that's good for twenty years, that's good. My Springer 584 00:35:22,960 --> 00:35:25,239 was fifteen and three months. But that was from their 585 00:35:26,039 --> 00:35:29,960 incarnation with me, and she came back two years ago 586 00:35:30,119 --> 00:35:32,599 and I have her back again. So I just looked 587 00:35:32,639 --> 00:35:35,360 forward to me, you know, I'm coming back look for me, 588 00:35:35,559 --> 00:35:37,519 and I do, and I find this is it. You know. 589 00:35:37,880 --> 00:35:40,559 Speaker 1: I'm just a man of dogs that I've had over 590 00:35:40,599 --> 00:35:44,239 the years, and I recognized previous dogs I've had them 591 00:35:44,360 --> 00:35:46,119 passed over in the new dogs. 592 00:35:46,760 --> 00:35:53,000 Speaker 4: Yeah, I have two and they're the incarnation. Yeah, they're 593 00:35:53,079 --> 00:35:56,840 the reincarnation of my Doblemans who were sisters. And they 594 00:35:56,880 --> 00:36:00,400 answered the same name and everything else, the same mannerisms everything, 595 00:36:00,400 --> 00:36:03,760 because they came back like right away. My springer waited 596 00:36:03,800 --> 00:36:06,719 a little while before she came back, and but she 597 00:36:07,639 --> 00:36:10,280 she answers to the same. I mean, I know it's her. 598 00:36:10,480 --> 00:36:12,719 You can see your energy. I can see her and 599 00:36:13,039 --> 00:36:16,039 within the physical body of the new one. 600 00:36:18,000 --> 00:36:20,800 Speaker 1: This is it, isn't it. It's sad when you lose them, 601 00:36:20,920 --> 00:36:22,360 especially after twenty years. 602 00:36:22,719 --> 00:36:22,880 Speaker 4: You know. 603 00:36:23,039 --> 00:36:25,920 Speaker 1: She was blind and she was deaf, but she used 604 00:36:25,920 --> 00:36:29,519 to still beat the other dogs to the to the 605 00:36:29,639 --> 00:36:31,039 utility room to get her food. 606 00:36:32,000 --> 00:36:32,599 Speaker 4: Yeah, she done it. 607 00:36:32,679 --> 00:36:33,000 Speaker 1: I don't know. 608 00:36:33,920 --> 00:36:34,159 Speaker 4: And she. 609 00:36:35,800 --> 00:36:39,360 Speaker 1: Was massive. She'd be down about my garden. She'll find 610 00:36:39,360 --> 00:36:40,239 her way to the door. 611 00:36:41,119 --> 00:36:43,599 Speaker 4: Yeah, her nose didn't failure though. Her nose was still working. 612 00:36:45,559 --> 00:36:46,599 Speaker 1: Yeah, it certainly was. 613 00:36:47,519 --> 00:36:50,400 Speaker 4: Yeah. I was one like that too. We had a 614 00:36:50,599 --> 00:36:53,480 what they call a plumber spaniel and he was he 615 00:36:53,559 --> 00:36:56,679 got it here he could see. But you tossed something, 616 00:36:56,719 --> 00:37:00,719 you tossed some piece of food, and he's got it. Yeah. 617 00:37:01,719 --> 00:37:03,360 Speaker 1: Yeah, I'll do. 618 00:37:05,119 --> 00:37:07,639 Speaker 4: Most people that come to me for animals, it's usually 619 00:37:07,719 --> 00:37:12,119 because there are behavioral issues, but the animal and so 620 00:37:12,960 --> 00:37:16,719 I can actually connect like I'm talking to you with 621 00:37:16,880 --> 00:37:20,159 the animal. At first, they seem a little startled, but 622 00:37:20,320 --> 00:37:22,440 once they realize that they can understand you. And you 623 00:37:22,519 --> 00:37:26,159 can understand them. Then we have our conversations about what's 624 00:37:26,239 --> 00:37:27,679 going on and what the problem is. 625 00:37:28,440 --> 00:37:31,679 Speaker 1: And you're a whisper of animals. 626 00:37:32,679 --> 00:37:35,360 Speaker 4: Yeah, I talked to them about it and it takes 627 00:37:35,440 --> 00:37:37,400 care of it there and they're fine after that. 628 00:37:39,840 --> 00:37:42,360 Speaker 1: Are you already good on humans? Because I need a 629 00:37:42,400 --> 00:37:43,360 whisper of the monk? 630 00:37:44,760 --> 00:37:47,599 Speaker 4: Yeah? Yeah, don't get me started in those ones. 631 00:37:48,840 --> 00:37:50,239 Speaker 3: I mean, I'm encourageable. 632 00:37:52,239 --> 00:37:56,679 Speaker 4: It's quite easy being an archangel. When she comes forward, 633 00:37:56,760 --> 00:37:59,960 When I bring her forward, I can see into the 634 00:38:00,400 --> 00:38:04,559 individual's mind. I can't actually you know, help them get 635 00:38:04,679 --> 00:38:09,360 rid of problems issues that are psycho you know, psychologically 636 00:38:09,480 --> 00:38:12,920 keeping them held back, keeping them from doing the work, 637 00:38:13,159 --> 00:38:16,239 that sort of thing. Because I can, I can actually 638 00:38:16,320 --> 00:38:20,119 have a conversation with their subconscious And all. 639 00:38:20,079 --> 00:38:27,119 Speaker 3: This hit you as early as you can. Remember when 640 00:38:27,159 --> 00:38:27,440 I was. 641 00:38:27,440 --> 00:38:30,920 Speaker 4: Four and a half, how I saw demons change, or 642 00:38:31,000 --> 00:38:33,519 that I saw them as most humans do, you know, 643 00:38:33,679 --> 00:38:37,559 a black mass, you know, a dark figure. But after that, 644 00:38:38,239 --> 00:38:42,199 I saw them as they truly are, and I'm going 645 00:38:42,360 --> 00:38:45,679 ash yeah, And that was just kind of at first 646 00:38:45,719 --> 00:38:47,480 I was scared of. Michael said, don't worry about it, 647 00:38:48,000 --> 00:38:50,239 so they you can see them but I won't let 648 00:38:50,280 --> 00:38:52,679 them see you because I want you to watch them. 649 00:38:52,760 --> 00:38:55,320 I want you to learn how they work, you know, 650 00:38:55,559 --> 00:38:57,239 all that stuff, because you'll need it when you get older. 651 00:38:58,039 --> 00:38:59,880 So you're you know, your four and a half, You're like, oh, okay, 652 00:39:00,079 --> 00:39:03,719 a game, do it. Oh I've been doing it since then, 653 00:39:03,920 --> 00:39:08,119 and I'm going to sixty seven, So okay, Oh dear, 654 00:39:09,280 --> 00:39:12,599 I'm almost sixty seven in November, will be seven. 655 00:39:12,840 --> 00:39:21,400 Speaker 1: Younger than me. Everybody's younger than me. I just I said, 656 00:39:21,679 --> 00:39:24,199 I thought you said seventy seven, and I thought I 657 00:39:24,280 --> 00:39:25,360 was that brilliant. 658 00:39:25,519 --> 00:39:29,159 Speaker 4: Someone's older than me seventy nine. He's going to be 659 00:39:29,199 --> 00:39:30,000 eighty in August. 660 00:39:30,199 --> 00:39:33,000 Speaker 1: So yeah, yeah, I've got home ridding clear as well. 661 00:39:33,719 --> 00:39:35,519 Speaker 4: Yeah he's in the hot now though. 662 00:39:39,840 --> 00:39:41,679 Speaker 1: So what are your books called? Sorry? 663 00:39:41,760 --> 00:39:41,960 Speaker 2: Mark? 664 00:39:42,079 --> 00:39:42,840 Speaker 3: Did you go on? 665 00:39:42,920 --> 00:39:43,039 Speaker 2: Then? 666 00:39:43,119 --> 00:39:46,400 Speaker 4: Mark? I have the two latest ones are one of 667 00:39:46,480 --> 00:39:49,039 them called Demons Here. It's the first in a three 668 00:39:49,159 --> 00:39:52,480 part series of books, and it talks about how the 669 00:39:52,639 --> 00:40:00,159 negative entities are affecting the current world. And there's a 670 00:40:00,199 --> 00:40:04,480 couple of chapters. Yeah, one is on you know where 671 00:40:04,519 --> 00:40:06,519 to find help, how to help yourself and where to 672 00:40:06,599 --> 00:40:09,159 find help, and the other one's on protection you know 673 00:40:09,280 --> 00:40:13,159 the myths behind, but we'll really protect versus what won't. 674 00:40:14,119 --> 00:40:19,400 And the other one I just released, it's called Dark Encounters. 675 00:40:19,719 --> 00:40:25,079 It's fifteen of my worst encounters with from demonic stuff. 676 00:40:25,599 --> 00:40:27,920 And then the new one I have is called The 677 00:40:28,000 --> 00:40:31,239 Angel Primers, coming out next month. Because there are over 678 00:40:31,320 --> 00:40:35,400 three hundred thousand warrior angels reborn and incarnated into physical 679 00:40:35,519 --> 00:40:39,840 right now, and so a lot of them don't know 680 00:40:39,920 --> 00:40:42,400 who or what they are, and they don't know what 681 00:40:42,639 --> 00:40:45,599 they can do, what their abilities are, how to utilize 682 00:40:45,639 --> 00:40:50,239 their abilities, and everything in the book is I teach 683 00:40:50,280 --> 00:40:54,119 everything from how to create white light swords, to how 684 00:40:54,159 --> 00:40:58,639 to create infinity orbs and how to merge with your 685 00:40:59,239 --> 00:41:02,360 you know, angelic soul, that type of things. So it's 686 00:41:02,440 --> 00:41:05,800 basically a primer. That's so it's called the Angel Primer's 687 00:41:05,840 --> 00:41:07,480 good to get a. 688 00:41:08,320 --> 00:41:08,840 Speaker 1: Look at them. 689 00:41:09,280 --> 00:41:10,800 Speaker 3: And where can people find your books? 690 00:41:11,760 --> 00:41:14,599 Speaker 4: They can find them on Amazon dot com there or 691 00:41:14,679 --> 00:41:17,000 they can find they can get a link on my website. 692 00:41:17,480 --> 00:41:19,119 Either one is where they can find them. 693 00:41:21,239 --> 00:41:21,920 Speaker 3: Fantastic. 694 00:41:22,559 --> 00:41:23,480 Speaker 1: What's your website? 695 00:41:25,000 --> 00:41:27,519 Speaker 4: Mystic connections dot org. 696 00:41:28,760 --> 00:41:32,119 Speaker 1: Okay, hope everyone's taking that down on a piece of paper. 697 00:41:33,559 --> 00:41:37,440 Speaker 4: Mystic Connections Org. And it will get you there. It 698 00:41:37,599 --> 00:41:41,480 talks about you know, my demon Seer site is part 699 00:41:41,519 --> 00:41:44,559 of it is feeds into the three. It's three of 700 00:41:44,599 --> 00:41:48,199 them in ones, my Ghasts and Girls, Paranormal Investigation site, 701 00:41:48,400 --> 00:41:52,360 in the demon Seer and then the mystic connections. 702 00:41:53,400 --> 00:41:56,880 Speaker 1: Mm hmm okame ook. 703 00:41:58,079 --> 00:42:00,599 Speaker 3: Well, June, thank you very much for coming on the 704 00:42:00,679 --> 00:42:04,360 program again. It's lovely talking with you again. And of 705 00:42:04,440 --> 00:42:07,760 course the subject is always one of that fascinates me, 706 00:42:07,920 --> 00:42:11,760 especially since you two obviously have way more experience than 707 00:42:11,800 --> 00:42:15,199 I do, which is like nil. But I've dealt with 708 00:42:15,280 --> 00:42:17,800 a pissed off ghost before, but nothing to mon. 709 00:42:19,239 --> 00:42:25,840 Speaker 4: Yeah. Those are funny, yeah, all right, we get the 710 00:42:25,920 --> 00:42:30,440 occasional one who ghost the shows himself as a seven 711 00:42:30,480 --> 00:42:33,440 foot tall shadow person when they're actually a short, fat, 712 00:42:33,559 --> 00:42:35,719 vaulting guy who never got any respects from. 713 00:42:35,599 --> 00:42:46,480 Speaker 3: By sounds about right, delusions of grandeur exactly. Well, thanks June, 714 00:42:46,639 --> 00:42:50,599 and thank you everyone for listening to another edition of 715 00:42:50,679 --> 00:42:54,480 the Paranormal UK Radio show, The Flag Chip Show here 716 00:42:54,639 --> 00:42:58,599 on the Paranormal UK Radio Network and Irene. Where can 717 00:42:58,639 --> 00:42:59,320 people find us? 718 00:43:00,079 --> 00:43:01,039 Speaker 1: Everywhere? People? 719 00:43:01,559 --> 00:43:02,000 Speaker 4: Everyone? 720 00:43:03,400 --> 00:43:06,400 Speaker 3: Well, thanks so again everyone, you have a great week 721 00:43:06,639 --> 00:43:09,000 and as I always say, be good humans, and we 722 00:43:09,079 --> 00:43:10,039 will talk to you all soon.