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Speaker 1: It's a louder. I'm out.

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Speaker 2: I'm moving outside right now. So I just had one

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one statement and then.

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Speaker 1: One question for you.

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Speaker 2: I see a lot of the times when you go

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on these debates or wherever you're going, that people want

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to make the claim that you're mean or whatever. And

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that was when I first started coming into Orthodoxy. I

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realized that was something that I had even kind of

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had the thought about you. And I think that it

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comes from this Protestant Jesus that they give us, that

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Jesus is all about being nice and and so like,

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as I started reading into the Church Fathers and reading

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into some of these things and even listening to you,

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excuse me on a regular basis and realizing that a

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lot of the low IQ stuff that you deal with

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and everything like that, I think that it's just a

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perspective change, and a lot of the times that it's

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these people's view on the Jesus that they're giving with

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Protestantism that is going.

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Speaker 1: To make them kind of reject you.

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Speaker 2: Because even for me, I used to kind of be like,

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oh well, like if Jade Eyer's what Orthodoxy represents, I

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don't really want to be a part of it. But

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that was just my whole thing is you know this

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because I haven't moved into New Age stuff, so I

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was kind of like God is love man, and like

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all that other kind of bullshit that you fall into

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with that and then realizing later on and even you know,

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like seeing you curse and stuff like that. It was

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something that for me at the time was a stumbling block,

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but it was almost like a an IQ barrier that

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I had to get over, and once I was able

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to get past that and actually do some reading, which

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I actually really lacked myself.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I'm actually way more tane than the Church Fathers

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if you actually read them.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I know that. That's something I kind of came across,

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Speaker 3: Know, just all like like Saint cyr Ol Jerusalem the

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catechetical Lecture says hate all the heretics. He says they're idiots,

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they're demonic, they're possessed their dogs. You know. Jerome says

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even ten times worse though.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, and so you know, I kind of just wanted

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to start by apologizing to you, just because I'm recently

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being received into the church and coming from that and

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kind of saying that to people when I came.

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Speaker 3: Into Well, whatever, I appreciate you. You're the first person

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I think that's ever apologized for saying that I was mean,

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And then I've never heard anybody has ever done that,

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So that's funny.

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Speaker 2: Well, I said it a lot behind your back, and

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like coming into Orthodoxy, I really feel bad about that

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because I would say it to other people as I

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was coming into the church of you. But I was also,

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to be fair to I was introduced to you by

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a bunch of like genuine Ortho bros. Not like the

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term that gets thrown around for us. But these guys

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are two guys who had actually never even entered into

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an Orthodox church, but they were arguing with me about

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Orthodoxy and they hadn't read any of the books that

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you read. They were just using a bunch of your

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talking points without being able to actually dive into it.

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So some of what I was projecting on you was then.

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Speaker 3: If that makes sense, Yeah, so I appreciate that.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, no problem.

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Speaker 3: I mean, I've always seen my vantage point as coming

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out of philosophy. In the rama, philosophy we debate all

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the time, you know, even even in the two thousands,

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it was pretty normal in the college setting. It's probably

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not that way anymore because of all the woke stuff,

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but it was pretty normal to even have debates with professors.

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They were supportive of that. It was a much more

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kind of freer you know, speak your mind, have your

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ideas challenged, ethos, and that was the two thousands. I

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think a lot of the gen Z are more coddled

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and they don't like having their positions challenged, and they

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think that, you know, their feelings getting hurt is in

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some way like signifying the you know, I don't know,

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like like if you you don't represent Jesus because you

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challenge my worldview and it makes my fief it's just

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weird to me. I don't know, like all of that

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is hard to me.

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Speaker 2: That it was I'm sorry, father speaking, but it was

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my worldview being challenged and not having epistemic justification or

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any justification. Rather for my worldview is just knowing it

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and feeling it. And even like the arguments with tag

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not really making sense to certain people, and it's because

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they've never had to justify anything before. From that kind

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of point of view, They've just been able to state

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their arguments and never actually have to justify why their

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arguments are what they are.

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Speaker 3: Also, and I'm not.

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Speaker 4: Saying this is you, but you did hit on a

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few points. People react differently when they're challenged and unable

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to justify. So one thing I'm not saying this is you,

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but there's other groups out there that because they don't

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know the material, they're insecure about their level of knowledge

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of what they believe. Their beliefs are being challenged. The

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easy way for a lot of people is to do

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the kind of fake moral piety. And well, I can't engage,

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you know, on philosophic and debate terms, so but what

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I can do is say that you're not a good Christian.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, and we should be praying. So there's a lot

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of that going on.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, And I mean, you know, to be fair, like

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that was me at one point in time. You know,

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it's been I was catechized for two years because my

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wife decided to come in halfway through when I was

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already in the process of getting ready to enter baptism,

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and my wife came with me, so we went I

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went through the Kadakisus with her as well. So through

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all of that I grew a lot, and you know,

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who went to seminary himself and very similar to Jay

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in the philosophical realm and everything, and so like, as

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I learned through somebody like that, I just realized how

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fake my piety was and how little grounding I had

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to stand on on a lot of things.

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Speaker 4: But I want to make a public confession. When I

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first sound j J, I didn't like you either.

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Speaker 3: Well, I mean, I exposed you were all faking gay,

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and so I understand that.

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Speaker 4: But you know what's interesting, it's because exactly he said,

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Jay was saying stuff that I actually didn't agree with.

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because I was a you know, when I first came in,

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in theistic evolution.

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Speaker 1: I'm like, well, who's this guy saying I'm wrong?

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Speaker 4: And so that is why I didn't like him, because

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he actually was right and he was calling me out

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on uh, you.

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Speaker 3: Know the well personally I didn't know you.

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Speaker 1: He was calling out the views and I took it.

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I'm like, well, who's this guy? And then do you

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mind if I asked a question?

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Speaker 3: Sure?

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Speaker 5: So the Council of.

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Speaker 2: Jerusalem, the sixteen seventy two one is that a that's

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a binding council for Orthodoxy?

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Speaker 1: Is that correct?

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I would say it's normative. I mean, even if

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it's even if we you know, squabble over whether it's quote,

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you know, infallible or something like that, Like, it's pretty

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much been received in the in the Orthodox world, So

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Speaker 2: On decrease six or like sometimes when you see the

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church father speaking of us being guilty of original sin?

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of it? Is that what they mean by saying guilty

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of it?

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Speaker 3: Yeah? Sometimes guilt is used even by Paul to speak

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of the entirety of the effects of it. But that

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doesn't translate into individual personal guilt, which has always been

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rejected in the East on the part of you know,

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not accepting the august Anian perspective.

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Speaker 2: Sorry, so saying that humanity is guilty and therefore even

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that's why we baptize infants and stuff like that, some

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of that is using like decrease sixteen, not exactly that language,

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but by saying that by the guilt that we take on,

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it's not a personal guilt for the sin, but it's

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yet the effects.

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Speaker 3: Right. This is why nobody believes that position anymore, not

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even the Roman Catholic Church. The only people that believe

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that are Lutherans and Calvinists. There's literally nobody else that believes.

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Speaker 4: And think about if they were damned through a personal guilt,

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why would the worthodox church wait forty days to baptize?

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Speaker 1: Yeah, now that's point.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, you should also look up the liturgical prayers. This

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is another good argument against this kind of low not

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saying you're low tier, but the people that make this

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position this argument are pretty usually pretty low tier. Like

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discord kind of saved, but there's various prayers that are

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pretty clearly pointing out that that infants are not guilty

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for what Adam did even though they receive the effects

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of the sin. There's at least two liturgical prayers that

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reference this. But even aside from that, once you get

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of the mode of willing and our own guilt being

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something that we accrue through our personal actions, not from

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actually to collapse nature in person in anthropology. So they're

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making kind of an inverse mistake like Roman Catholics and

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you absolute divine simplicity proponents to make when they collapse

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person into nature in the Godhead. They're doing the same

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thing with collapsing person into nature and anthropology and thinking

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that it's our nature that becomes guilty and not our

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personal willing in action. So when you get up into

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making sense of why we would only be guilty for

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the actions that we will and not for our nature.

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that you were guilty by nature in Adam, then you

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would then be led to the conclusion of universal salvation

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because our whole nature is restored. But then they would

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have to you know, then basically they would be in

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the David Bentley Hert position. That's the line of reasoning

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the Sixth Council is that what you accrue in terms

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of virtues and vice can only be via your own

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personal mode of willing. Even though will is a property

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of nature, the mode of willing is personal, and that's

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why you can only recapitulate the virtues by your own

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willing and participation in grace. So that's why even though

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they die outside of baptism, we also don't necessarily say

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that they are participating in theiosis. And that's why many

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of the Eastern fathers speculate that God may do something

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with him that we just don't understand. And even though

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they're not participating in theosis, we don't know what that

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might mean. So there might be I think Nissa says

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something like there might be a natural state that they're

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restored to, even if they're not participating in theosis like

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the members of the church. But regardless, there's no real

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consistent way to actually make sense of the damning of

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infants other than to collapse the willing into the nature

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and the guilt into the nature. But the problems that

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emerge from saying that you're guilty by nature are so

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much more immense than the difficulties of not knowing what

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damn They just speak as if we commend them to

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God and we don't know what their fate is, but

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we trust in God's mercy. Like if you adopt the

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position that we're guilty by nature. They don't even understand

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how difficult that is in terms of eschatology, in terms

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of human anthropology, that it basically just destroys the whole

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Orthodox ethos, But they're too stupid to know that. Chase,

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Speaker 1: Hey?

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Speaker 3: Are you so?

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Speaker 1: Am I interrupting?

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Speaker 3: I mean so pretty much anytime you talk it's for

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me an interruption, But go ahead, Well, I was.

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Speaker 6: You were in the middle of talking about mode of

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will and then I got added to it. But it's fine.

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You're not gonna understand this anyway. Probably want to call, well,

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I a prior caller apologize for things that like they

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had said about you.

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Speaker 1: So I wanted to call it and can.

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Speaker 7: I just apologize real quick?

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Speaker 6: I guess thank you sologize for calling you a snaggle

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toothed woodland swamp creature. I'm sorry for bought reporting all

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your videos and posts on Twitter. I apologize for posting

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your address on four Chan for a meet up.

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Speaker 7: But I'm not done.

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Speaker 3: Okay, please please go on.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, I'll purchase don't forget that pro the jay dire

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profile you put on Grinder.

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Speaker 6: Yeah, the j dire profile that mean father and an

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I is made and put on Grinder.

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Speaker 3: Interesting that you guys are both together. That's interesting. You

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guys are both together on Grinder. That's an interesting admission.

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Speaker 6: Well, look, I just I don't wanted to say. You

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guys are like making this a joke and it's I

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had this. It's my heart's convicted. So I apologize for

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for doing all those things within the last three days.

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Speaker 3: Well, I guess I need to apologize for doing the

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sorceress kg B. Dougan rituals that I did to flood

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your basement because I think it worked.

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Speaker 8: Yeah I did.

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Speaker 6: I'm fair carpet right now, and it's it weighs so

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much because it's so soaked.

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Speaker 5: But you shouldn't remember.

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Speaker 1: Do you remember?

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Speaker 6: We were we were getting lunch in like I think

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it was Montana, and we were walking out and there's

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some purple hail card.

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Speaker 1: Wait you go, I'm going to debate you into marrying her.

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Speaker 3: Apparently who you married? Is that who you married? I

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don't even know, no, But I.

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Speaker 6: Just wanted to apologize for all those things that me

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and father.

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Speaker 1: And I did.

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Speaker 3: Yes, that's okay, man, I forget I mentioned, and I

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apologize for sending the spirits to flood your basement and

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together we met. I'm gonna go ahead and burn that

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voodoo doll. I'm gonna email Dugan right now to tell

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them to stop doing the ritual because it's actually flooding

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the basement. But bodies, by, what's up? Bodies? Something booties,

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what's up? Bodies? Buddy's offa what's up? Man? I'm mute.

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I don't understand the people that wait in line and

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then never unmute. That's it's a weird one to me, Like, what,

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what's the Maybe there's bots or something and I don't

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get it. Thunder punch, what's up, dude, We've got a

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Pokemon in here. I'm having fun over here today. What's up?

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Speaker 9: Hey, Jay?

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Speaker 7: Thanks for having me on one little again.

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Speaker 1: I have a.

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Speaker 10: Question if Father and Anius wants to weigh on this,

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that'd be cool too. I was a guy that called

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in a little bit ago said that I had visited

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my first liturgy yesterday and the church father said something

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a little peculiar to me.

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Speaker 7: Again, this was like a Greek Orthodox thing.

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Speaker 10: I'm Protestant background, so I'm not super sure on this,

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but he.

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Speaker 11: Said something about how catechhumans were welcome to partake in

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the Eucharist. It just sounded a little weird to me

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the way he worded it that he he made it

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sound like, well, this is something we used to do

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and we don't do it anymore, and uh, just.

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Speaker 3: Some part or to depart. Did you hear the part

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of the ligia where the catcumans depart?

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Speaker 1: Well?

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Speaker 7: He said that, yeah, is as far as I'm aware,

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is that it.

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Speaker 11: Used to be the Catecumans would depart from the liturgy

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or maybe you know, not take the Eucharist.

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Speaker 1: No, there was that impression I got they would leave

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the liturgy so category entirely. Okay, Yeah, Catecumans never.

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Speaker 4: Took the Eucharist that section where say all catechums apart,

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catacumbs depart that no catecumun remain.

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Speaker 1: Let us faithful again and again in peace, pray to

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the Lord. That's the point of the.

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Speaker 1: The catacumbs actually departed from the building and weren't allowed.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, it sounds a little that sounds a little far

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gone that. I don't think. I think Greeks would go

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that far. What's up man, Will Will Wild Will?

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I just had a question.

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Speaker 12: Do you think like the Midi from which trials were

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like satanic panic back then, like like we had in

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the eighties. And also have you heard how Jeffrey Dahmer

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like may have not they may not have told us

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everything about him correctly, and like he had connections to.

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Speaker 13: The president, the vice president took his class there.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I've done whole podcast I've done whole podcasts yes,

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I've done whole podcasts on that. I forgot what the

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first question was, technician, what's up?

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Speaker 14: Hello?

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Speaker 3: Yeah, what's up? Dog?

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Speaker 1: Hey man?

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Speaker 15: I wanted to see what the Orthodox thought about dinosaurs, dude.

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Speaker 3: Like, can you have them? Can you own them? Can

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you eat them? Answer is yes, all the above, Thomas,

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what's up? Dog? Here are the here's the damer podcast

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right here. There's a few more. I here's one on

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Henry Lee Lucas on a Sam podcast. Here's what we

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did with Richard. I know I did at least four

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or five of these. I don't know it's it only

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always only shows like one or two though it's really annoying.

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But I've done several. I did like five, I think

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on on Serial Coach. What's up, Thomas, I'm mute, hey j.

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Speaker 16: I posted that super chat earlier about Romans. So just

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to give you some background, I'm currently a Roman Catholic,

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technically an ordinary Catholic, and I have a friend who's Orthodox.

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I've been listening to a lot of your stuff. I

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listened to you and Father Ananias about coherentism and kind

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of attacking classical foundationalism, and I found a lot of

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it very insightful and kind of convincing.

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Speaker 7: So I know you said you're not.

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Speaker 16: Gay, but I was wondering if you could hold my

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hand and kind of walk me through parts of Romans here,

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just to kind of explain, because I know you guys

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have the principle of the noose and that's kind of

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novel to me, and I'm trying to just get through

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the whole epistemology.

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Speaker 3: Yeah. Well, I mean again, like you know, in Romans one,

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Paul several times mentions that it's men's hearts that are darkened,

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like in verse twenty one, So he doesn't primarily locate

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the issue in the intellect. And if you understand Roman

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Catholics tomistic anthropology, man's a dual of body and soul

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slash intellect. So why is Paul using this word heart,

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which is from the Hebrew idea like David talks about

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in the Psalms about his heart. It's just an assumption

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that that means the intellect. Why well, because after Augustine

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in the West, the whole anthropology of the West adopted

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wholesale pretty much the idea of a body soul duality approach.

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But Paul, have you ever noticed in you know the

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Tessalonian's pulse's body, soul and spirit. Why does Paul use

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a trichotomy approach when all the West after Augustine adopts

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a dichotomy approach.

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Speaker 7: Yeah, that makes sense.

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Speaker 16: And so when he says here his eternal power Deity

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has been clearly perceived in the things that happened? Made?

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Is that perception through the heart? And like, what's the

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that's the sort of mechanism by which the gentile's hearts

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are clearly perceiving God?

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Speaker 3: How would you explay that every man has within his heart,

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within his news, within his innermost being and inner testimony

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to the one true God existing, and that is why

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he is without excuse. So notice his passage is not

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about intellectual syllogisms and causal chains. It's about moral guilt.

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So tumism flips this into some intellectual problem when Paul's

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whole point is that idolatry is a universal moral problem,

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not a universal intellectual problem. In other words, the Roman Calgary, Oh,

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they're just not reasoning properly. Right. If they were, if

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Pagans were more like Aristotle, than they would sit around

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and they would reason better and come to the right

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conclusion that there's a single first cause. Paul doesn't say

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anything about that. He says that they did not retain

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the True God in their minds and God gave them

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over to wickedness. So it's issues of moral corruption and

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it's nothing to do with intellect other than that the

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moral corruption darkens the intellect as an effect. So Roman

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Catholics flip the anthropology of this whole chapter and actually

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make it an intellectual reasoning problem, not a moral problem

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of the heart. So in the romancality perspective, the problem

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here is just that they need to like fix their algorithmic,

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you know, causal chain reasoning, and then they would come

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to the One True God as the cause. When Paul

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is saying, no, they need to repent. It's a repentance issue,

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not an intellectual IQ issue.

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Speaker 1: Okay, that makes a lot of sense.

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Speaker 16: And So if I'm going down the kind of epistemology,

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because I'm like super under red on philosophy and everything,

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what readings would you recommend to help clear that up

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for me because I find it very convincing.

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Speaker 3: Well, I would say the first place to start if

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you wanted a direct contrast between the Orthodox position on

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Romans one, and what we're talking about in the Tomistic

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position would be Orthodox dogmatic theology by father steinilloy v I.

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That whole book is about what I just said, and

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it also gets into like critiquing the Latin Tomistic doctrine

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of the Trinity and all the problems in the Trinity

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view there. But I think you know, you could look

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at I have a whole philosophy course that I did

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some with a deacon. You could look at that. You

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could look at W. J. Woods book on epistemology, which

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is more of a Christian approach to pistemology. But that's

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actually good for Roman Catholics as well, because a big

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part of the thesis of Woods book is that your

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morals affect your reasoning, and so there's no such thing

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as like divorcing how you reason from the virtues. And

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that's kind of the point of Romans won right. It's

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like the Thomas are missing that the darkening of the

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reasoning isn't primarily an intellectual problem. It's a moral heart problem.

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probably the whole totality of the Roman Calolic worldview and

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system is face and is full of so many idolatrous,

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weird creeps, and as we saw this very weak grinder gaze,

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precisely because they don't have the solutions, they don't have

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the actual things that help and heal. They think that

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the papacy is the thing that will solve and help

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and heal all these problems. And you'll notice right here

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this guy who's I opened up Grinder at the local

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SSPX chapel and I saw three guys from the church

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were there. One of them was an ultra server. We

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are not returning to tradition dog. Now people say, oh,

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he's lying, Well, he actually got that s guy says

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in his profile at least he had it up yesterday,

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that he suffers from same sexual attraction. So here's a

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Roman Catholic tradcat guy at the SSPX chapel admitting that

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he's a real person who is saying he suffers from

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same sex attraction and he's finding the same people on

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Grinder his SSPX chapel. I don't find this hard to

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believe at all, because when I was a trad cat

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back in the two thousands, late twenty's, early twenty tens, uh,

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there were multiple people at the SSPX Chapel that eventually

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came out as gay. So it doesn't surprise me at all.

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I mean, trycats are just again super gay, So not

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every single one of them, but it's very very well known,

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it's very prominent amongst them. So again, what is Paul

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saying romans want? Isn't the irony here that Romans one

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talks about all this gayness in Roums one and then

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the Traycats are full of gayness and they're missing the

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point of RUMs one. But he's zapha.

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Speaker 1: Great song, great song?

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Speaker 3: What so.

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Speaker 1: zapA that you don't know?

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Speaker 4: No, I don't place Steely Dam.

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Speaker 3: That's Boomer rug, dude, I don't only boomer rock on

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the Michael McDonald.

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Speaker 1: It's a great song. Oh and they make up. I

477
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found they make a beer too.

478
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Speaker 3: Steely Dan beer. I know I'm joking. What's up man?

479
00:26:14,319 --> 00:26:19,359
That guy just can't get on here. Anyone disagree? You

480
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got ahead of line? Please write your hand if you disagree.

481
00:26:22,079 --> 00:26:24,960
John Adams, what's up man? I know you don't disagree,

482
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or maybe you do, maybe you want to have a fighter.

483
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Speaker 17: There we go, buddy, Buddy saw the is the Steely

484
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Dan song.

485
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Speaker 7: And Michael McDonald did not.

486
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Speaker 1: Sting on that many Steely Dan songs. Interesting, How does

487
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Jaye not know that?

488
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Speaker 3: I know who Steely Dan is because my dad listened

489
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to Steely Dan. I just never got into them.

490
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Speaker 17: That's actually a funny song because it's like a rock

491
00:26:51,160 --> 00:26:57,839
and roll throwback song, but about Buddhism. That I think

492
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that was the point of it was to be kind

493
00:27:00,559 --> 00:27:05,799
of a boogie woogie rock and roll song about Buddhism

494
00:27:06,440 --> 00:27:11,319
earlier Judeo Christian. Uh, there's there's a good there's an

495
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interesting book with a particular take on it. It's called Americanism,

496
00:27:16,480 --> 00:27:23,599
the Fourth Great Western Religion, and so what it makes it's.

497
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Speaker 1: A very small book, very thin book.

498
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Speaker 17: It's probably like you know, two bucks online or something,

499
00:27:28,960 --> 00:27:33,920
but it's written by a Jewish guy, and basically what

500
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he says in there is that Americanism is a development

501
00:27:40,559 --> 00:27:45,319
out of It's like a secular version of Zionism and

502
00:27:45,720 --> 00:27:52,160
Christianity mixed into a Judeo Christian religion called Americanism.

503
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Speaker 7: Because after you.

504
00:27:54,240 --> 00:27:57,839
Speaker 3: Know, actually, actually if you read the GM Davis book

505
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that Father Hears printed about Antichrist, he has the exact

506
00:28:02,240 --> 00:28:03,359
same analysis.

507
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Speaker 7: Yeah, yeah, I'm familiar with that one.

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Speaker 3: Too.

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Speaker 17: The Yeah, but basically after Woodrow Wilson introduces the idea

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of Americanism.

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00:28:13,160 --> 00:28:14,880
Speaker 3: Uh huh.

512
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Speaker 17: This is it's basically the combination of Judeo and Christian

513
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secular morals that makes up Americanism as a secular religion

514
00:28:25,160 --> 00:28:28,400
to be you know, distributed to the rest of the world.

515
00:28:28,599 --> 00:28:30,720
Speaker 1: Right, And so that's really so.

516
00:28:30,880 --> 00:28:35,720
Speaker 17: After Wilson is kind of the personification of combining Judeo

517
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Christian and it's got like Puritanical ties to the you know,

518
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because it's it's all tied into the Puritans coming here

519
00:28:44,000 --> 00:28:45,519
thinking they were the children of Israel.

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Speaker 3: That's exactly what Davis says in that chapter as well.

521
00:28:48,920 --> 00:28:51,519
Speaker 1: Yeah, I just wanted.

522
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Speaker 3: To add that. Yeah, I appreciate that. Thank you, John.

523
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We had a couple of super jazz I want to

524
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read here before I forget them. Jacob Kabe five dollars.

525
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None of my friends think that Sam might is appealing

526
00:29:00,799 --> 00:29:02,680
enough to drive to New Orleans for skank Fest. I

527
00:29:02,720 --> 00:29:05,920
don't get people's sense of humor. It's during normy. Well,

528
00:29:06,000 --> 00:29:09,480
you know, Sam is a is a unique acquired taste.

529
00:29:10,279 --> 00:29:12,559
I know, the first time I saw M. D. Skits,

530
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I didn't really get it, and It was the same

531
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with Tim and Erica. The first time I saw Tim

532
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and Erica, I was like, I don't understand what and

533
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then I, oh, I see what they're doing right, And

534
00:29:20,400 --> 00:29:22,640
it was the same with MD. But I will say

535
00:29:22,640 --> 00:29:27,079
that like Sam's stand up is a lot more kind

536
00:29:27,119 --> 00:29:31,240
of normy friendly. It's a lot more of a I mean,

537
00:29:31,279 --> 00:29:34,279
it's it's unique, but it's a lot more it's a

538
00:29:34,279 --> 00:29:36,119
lot less abstract than the rest of this sort of

539
00:29:36,200 --> 00:29:38,079
MD stuff. So if you, if you are a fan

540
00:29:38,119 --> 00:29:40,640
of stand up, I think you would definitely find his

541
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stand up appealing. I don't know if he's doing stand

542
00:29:43,799 --> 00:29:47,039
up at skank Fest or if it's just panels or what.

543
00:29:47,240 --> 00:29:52,000
I'm not really familiar with how that works. But sneggelbast

544
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I became member for six months. As recent as last year,

545
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I saw people wearing a mask, even if they're alone

546
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in their car with the windows up. I have to

547
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shake my head. I still see mask. I still see

548
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a lot of gen X and boomers and black No.

549
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Speaker 4: I got to tell you about if you haven't figured

550
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this out, this is crazy. So my brother was on

551
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a he's on a discord sound engineer thing, and so anyways, Uh,

552
00:30:19,519 --> 00:30:22,559
they're talking about AI and music, whether.

553
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Speaker 1: That you're about and stuff like this.

554
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Speaker 4: And this person comes in and says, well AI is racist,

555
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who can't use it? And the guy who owns the

556
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thing says, look, we're not getting into politics. Blah blah blah.

557
00:30:34,599 --> 00:30:36,079
Speaker 1: Person eventually had to get booted.

558
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Speaker 4: So my brother looks them up on Instagram and then

559
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they have all these mess on all their you know, pictures,

560
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and then he starts doing a deep dive and finding

561
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other people, and then he finds.

562
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Speaker 1: Out there's a whole group.

563
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Speaker 4: It's usually a tide with like uh, the protesters, but

564
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particularly the gays.

565
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Speaker 1: As person was part of an LGBTQ. It's actually a uniform.

566
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They're not.

567
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Speaker 3: Oh interesting, it's like a signaling part of your gang.

568
00:31:08,880 --> 00:31:14,160
Speaker 4: Yeah, it's a whole counterculture asthetic now that they actually

569
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wear these masks, not for hell reason, but that's.

570
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Speaker 3: That makes sense though, that makes sense. All right, guys,

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hold on one second. I gotta go t T I'm

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gonna let the ad. We do have a couple sponsors,

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and we'll let the ad play. We'll go to the

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ladies room, uh and try to wiggle out my snaggletooth

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right back.

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Speaker 18: I really think is for us because a philosophy course

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they give you kind of some useless information that American

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isn't the fourth Great Western lays out there over twelve weeks,

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dozens and dozens of hours.

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Speaker 19: Notatresentation of this, we got invaded with research that takes

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to have a co India, and it was just the

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origins of philosophys and interesting day the different ways to

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look at it over time.

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Speaker 3: I don't mind all that has been brought about to

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what we have.

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Speaker 18: And I'm so not racist that Indian After churchilosophy on

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the objective problem, logic and reason side in and over,

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I go get philosophy that is irrational as we eat

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day by day, I think we should bring racism.

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Speaker 3: Back and then whatever worthified and spread out, probably a

627
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lot of under arm, but that's okay.

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Speaker 18: It takes socialist ideas where you become the property in action.

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Speaker 3: You need to be able to stand in your own ground.

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Speaker 18: It helps to have a foundation in philosophy because it's

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a method of fine truth when you get down to.

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Speaker 3: It, all right, not deems sure we are back? We

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are back? Why would I eat at Indian retaurant? Are

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ten dollars? And says wait where to go? I'm done

635
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with penal substitutionary atonement, but don't oh don oc ten dollars.

636
00:35:12,679 --> 00:35:14,599
Good evening, Jay I've been watching for a while. Do

637
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you have any recommendations on books and texts about modern

638
00:35:19,039 --> 00:35:27,320
day Judaism and its later developments. I mean, well, there's

639
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the Jesus and the Talmud book that came out from

640
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one of the universities. I forget which one. I read

641
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the couple chapters in that. I mean, there's a Boyarin's

642
00:35:39,599 --> 00:35:42,119
book that's pretty good that we used in the Daniel.

643
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Just look up the introduction to the Daniel Hoikikichu debate.

644
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And I list some of the decent books. But if

645
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you mean like the development of reform Judaism or Kabbala,

646
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that kind of stuff, they don't really deal a lot

647
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with that. But if you wanted to read like the

648
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history of Kabbala, maybe from any book by Gersham Sholem

649
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would be pretty good. But beyond that, I'm not sure

650
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about later developed doctrines. But those are probably the ones

651
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that I would be familiar with. I think the one

652
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is the Talmant. One is by Schaeffer, and it's from Yeah,

653
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Peter Schaeffer, which University, Princeton, So Princeton University Press. Jesus

654
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and the Talmut is pretty good. I've read a few

655
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chapters of that and Daniel Boyarn's book we use for

656
00:36:43,400 --> 00:36:51,880
several debates Borderlines. Was this one that was relevant for

657
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the Muslim debates Bodies, But that's not really about his

658
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oracle Judaism. Oh show show them, Yeah, yeah, major trends

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in Jewish mysticism. I have. Let's see origin. I think

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I read all the origins of the Kabbala. I just

661
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bought his book on Jacob Frank, but it's small. I

662
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haven't read it yet. Oh, and then there's this one.

663
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I read a bunch of this one, which is a

664
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gigantic text on kabbala. That one's pretty good. So if

665
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if that's but I don't really have a I don't know,

666
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like the history of modern I read Jared Diamond's book

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History of the Jews, and that would probably chart the

668
00:37:50,480 --> 00:37:55,039
more historical developments. But that's all I can think of.

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Carb five dollars. Did you watch Tucker's recent interview with

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the Orthodox nun and palistin Now? I saw that he

671
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did that, but I didn't realize. I didn't know if

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she was. I assumed she was Orthodox because of the

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Greek name, but I know she was Roman Catholic or what.

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But I've not watched it. I just saw that it

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went up today, so I don't know exactly. I mean,

676
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I would assume I would agree with her and appreciate

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Tucker giving a voice to these these kinds of positions

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and views. David, what's up man? Do you have Judaism

679
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Strange Gods by Hoffmann? Yes? I have the book. I've

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read some chapters of it. It's it's it's very hard.

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I mean, I'm not saying the information isn't accurate, but

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it's very hard to read because it's like a thousand

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pages and it's just like, I mean, after a while,

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if you read a lot of Talmud texts, you just

685
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kind of like, all right, I get the point, Like

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this is just this it's crazy. What's the name of

687
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the Jacob Frank book? Let me grab it over here

688
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on the show. If I haven't read yet, I just

689
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got it.

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Speaker 5: Can you many express.

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Speaker 3: Where is it at?

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Speaker 14: Jamie?

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Speaker 5: Can you make the expressible?

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Speaker 14: No?

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Speaker 3: I can't find it.

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Speaker 1: Oh here it is? Where is it?

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Speaker 3: Well? Easier said than done. I don't know where it is.

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I might have taken it back to Tennessee. I don't

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see it. But oh wait, no, there it is.

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Speaker 20: Oh, I don't know where it is. Maybe Jamie took

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it out of the w or something.

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Speaker 3: We actually have another whole library in here now, so

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it's kind of confusing. I'll show which book it is.

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So it's a little short book. It's a little red book. Yeah,

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this is it. From Francism to Jacobinism. So I didn't

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I've never even heard of this. I was like, Oh,

707
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that looks really interesting. I gotta get that. So let's

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see what he said about the Sabbatians. What's up David

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on you?

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Speaker 5: Hey, how's it going.

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Speaker 3: What's on your man?

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Speaker 21: So I want to take an Islamic position, but I'm Christian.

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I just want to kind of go over the Islamic

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dilemma because I've heard of counter arguments that makes sense.

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Speaker 3: Interesting, I've never heard of counter argument that makes sense.

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But go ahead.

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Speaker 21: So you argue that the Koran says that the Bible,

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that the Bible is confirmed and is basically a revelation

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that we should accept.

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Speaker 3: Right. Yeah, in the early Muslims of the first second

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generation said the same thing too, outside of.

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Speaker 21: The kron But the Koran says in chapter two, verse

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seventy nine, vote to those who write the scripture with

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their own hands. Then they say this is from a

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lot in order to purchase, in order to purchase.

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Speaker 3: What we've already covered this, that's not what it says.

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It's talking about two which number.

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Speaker 7: Chapter two, verse seventy nine.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, we've covered We've covered this like fifty times. So

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it's talking about the people who are literate. If you

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go back to seventy eight, do you think the people

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who are literate can change the texts?

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Speaker 7: They can change the oral.

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Speaker 3: Exactly, so they don't so they don't rewrite it exactly.

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Speaker 1: Yeah.

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Speaker 21: And how about Kurhn Chapter three, verse seventy one, old

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people with the scripture?

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Speaker 7: Why do you mix the truth with falsehood and conceal

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the truth?

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Speaker 3: Well, you know, okay, where does that say that they're

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changing the text?

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Speaker 7: You mix the truth with falsehood?

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Speaker 3: That doesn't say they're changing the text. It's talking about

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the people of the book, the people of the scripture,

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which could be Jews and Christians mm hm.

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Speaker 7: And they're mixing what truth with fulsehood?

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Speaker 3: It doesn't say does that text say they're changing the

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text or is that what you're saying.

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Speaker 7: When you change the text, do you mix truth with falsehood?

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Speaker 3: It doesn't say they change the text.

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Speaker 7: It implies that, No, it doesn't.

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Speaker 3: The other passages say that Allah's word can't be changed, right,

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how does how does Allah's word not be changed?

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Speaker 7: In what sense?

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Speaker 3: Well, it doesn't matter because it says to go to

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the Torah and the Gospel. How do you do that?

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If it's been changed?

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Speaker 7: It does matter?

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Speaker 3: How do you do how do you go to the tour?

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How do you go to the Torah and the Gospel?

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If it's been changed?

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Speaker 7: That means God's ultimate message can be changed?

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Speaker 3: The protected how do you go? Exactly? Thank you? That's

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the point. Yeah, it's not changed, is protected. So the

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Tora and the Gospel are not changed. Oh, you just

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said it means that it's protected and not changed. Then

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you said two seconds later it's.

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Speaker 7: Changed changing what sense protected? In what sense protected?

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Speaker 3: What do you understand that? The argument is that the

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Qoran itself contradicts itself, because the Quran is saying that

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you need to go to these prior texts. Later Muslims

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say that the prior texts are corrupted, even though the

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Koran itself doesn't say that. The Koran actually says to

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go back to the earlier texts.

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Speaker 21: Yeah, so when you're talking about the so do you

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know that the Muslims believing in the death.

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Speaker 3: They have tradition of course, So you don't have been

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in here. We've actually we've actually dealt with all of

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these arguments, probably fifty times. So of course I don't

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know what the heaths are, even though I have debated

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all the top Muslims relevant the argument, How is any

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of that relevant to this?

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Speaker 21: Because when when someone argued Muslim argues against you and

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the only sites of the Bible.

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Speaker 3: What does that have to do with this? What does

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that have to do That has nothing to do with

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this point? It says to go to the Torah and

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the Gospel.

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Speaker 21: Right because the hadith complete the king.

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Speaker 3: To do with what? It doesn't the hotdis themselves contradict.

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Speaker 7: They can they can't be separated.

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Speaker 3: What does that have to do with this argument? Why

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are you bringing in the hadiths when the Qoran itself

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says to go to the prior revelation. I know what

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hadiths are, I'll debated all the top Muslims. That has

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nothing to do with this.

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Speaker 7: You know what the hadiths are. You know they're inseparable.

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Speaker 3: So what all that means. All that shows me is

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that the Quran and the hadiths all contradict the fact

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that they believe in. Howdith has nothing to do with

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proving this argument correct.

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Speaker 7: So the Hadith says that the Bible.

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Speaker 3: Is corrupted, right, All that tells me is that the

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Koran and Hadiths contradict. Okay, so when how do I

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go to the wisdom of the Torah and the Gospel

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if it's corrupted?

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Speaker 7: What do you mean, how do you go to wisdom

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of the tour in the Bible of is corrupted?

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Speaker 5: Yeah, Muslims would say that.

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Speaker 21: You so it's going to be circular right eventually, thank.

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Speaker 3: You exactly, And that's why it fails. So you admitted

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it's circular. Hence why you guys are idiots? Ulix? What's up?

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And by the way, he's not. He's a Muslim acting

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like he's not. This is the thing that the Muslims

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are doing now where they did this whole You'll notice

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they'll do this a lot on God logic streams. They've

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been doing this for the last year. They will call

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in saying that they're Christians or they're catech humans and

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they just want to ask questions and it's a trick

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because they're actually Muslims. What's up, man, I'm you, Hey, Jerry,

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how's it going good.

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Speaker 22: I'm sorry you get that question literally up your color.

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Have you heard of a book called View of the Hebrews?

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Speaker 3: Nope?

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Speaker 22: All right, So it's a book from the nineteenth century

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from an author named Ethan Smith, and it's basically an

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American revivalist postulation about the Native Americans being descended from

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the lost tribes of Israel.

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Speaker 3: So it's just Mormon nonsense.

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Speaker 22: Yeah, so this is more evidence on the pile that

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Mormonism is stealing, you know, American revivalist culture.

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Speaker 3: Oh interesting, Yeah, Actually, I didn't realize there was a

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prior argument from evangelicals in America that that was the case.

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And ers, what's up? By the way, for those that

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are interested, we have a video where we went through

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I think all of the passages in the Qur'an about

837
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going back to prior revelation.

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Speaker 1: Hi Krrie, hi Ja.

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Speaker 7: I've been a viewer for a while.

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Speaker 23: So I'm a new adult heading into college. I was

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asking if i'd get a little bit of advice about

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what so I haven't been into theology or philosophy, and over,

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you know, four years, and it's pretty intimidating my world

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to come into. I was asking if you could recommend

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me like books that I could read or that you know,

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a way I could get back into it, because it.

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Speaker 7: Is really intimidating.

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Speaker 3: What exactly about what.

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Speaker 23: Maybe orthodox Orthodox philosophy, Orthodox ofistemology, i'll difference from Catholicism.

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Speaker 3: Well, I would start with Laski's book Mystical Theology of

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the Eastern Church, doctor Phillip Schard's book Greek East, Latin West,

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and then go to my recommended reading on my website.

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So let me find this. There's a video I made

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where I went through all of the texts in the

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Quran talking about prior revelation right here, all the Koran

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texts that confirm it, the Bible, thirty minutes of it

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right here. So here's the full reputation of what that

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kid was arguing, what's up, Apples, what's up dude? What up?

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Speaker 14: Bro?

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Speaker 3: Flame mess? Yeah, we read that one car, but we

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read that one dan vicious five dollars. I like to

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trigger democrats and progressive by saying Dogma is one of

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the greatest profile pro life films ever created. That's funny.

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I have seen dogma. What's up, man, I'm mute apples.

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Speaker 24: I think the tradcasts are bad than the Protestants or

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what bagger than the.

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Speaker 1: Rotistance gayer gayer.

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Speaker 25: Uh probably, I'm just trying to be somewhere super gay.

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Speaker 1: So I was just getting your opinion.

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Speaker 3: Well, split the split the week, you know, go to

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the Revival church Evangelical church on Wednesdays and then go

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to the Latin Mouse on Sundays.

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Speaker 7: That's awesome, Hey, man, advice for someone.

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Speaker 1: What if I'm too stupid to crock orthodoxy?

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Speaker 3: I don't think it's anything to do with intellect, So

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what's the stupid part? What do you mean?

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Speaker 7: What if I'm too slow to grasp the theology?

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Speaker 14: Uh?

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Speaker 3: Well, then I would just not make theology my focus.

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I would just focus on other aspects of the faith,

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like lives of saints or I don't know, history of

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the church, or iconography and aesthetics. Those are other domains

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that don't focus on high tier technical theology terms.

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Speaker 24: I think it's like sometimes I think I resonate more

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emotionally than intellectually. Okay, so sometimes it's hard to.

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Speaker 25: Have a change of mind based off intellect Yeah, it's

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like it feels like that there's not there's no amount

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of knowledge that I can gain, so like unlock some

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kind of revelation. It's like a it feels like it's

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like an endless pursuit.

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Speaker 3: Well yeah, again, maybe you know, maybe approaching God philosophically

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and intellectually just isn't like your vibe, and go with

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more of a promote approach of attending the liturgy. And

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you know, not that you shouldn't if you're into the

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intellectual side of it, but you know, just focus on

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other spects. You don't have to read Lasky and Florofsky

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and all these people. Not everybody has the same proclivities

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or gifts.

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Speaker 26: Owen, what's up man, Well yop, heyj I.

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Speaker 27: Was just wondering about the First Council in Jerusalem that

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Ax talks about.

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Speaker 5: Is that, like, am I kind of stupid.

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Speaker 27: For thinking that's a good reputation for people's supremacy.

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Speaker 3: I think ultimately it does refute it. The problem is

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just that it's used a lot in Roman Catholics have

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a lot of kind of pat responses to what they're

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gonna say if you bring it up. So even though Ultimately, yes,

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I do think it isn't the vatican one view. They're

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just gonna say something like, yeah, well, you know, Peter

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still has a key role and uh, you know, it

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develops over time like a seed growing into a tree.

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And I mean they're just gonna have a lot of

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power respon.

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Speaker 5: Okay.

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Speaker 28: I also kind of had a question about it about

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whether or not it's possible to really have like a

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Christian republic or if like republican forms of government and

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democracies themselves are corrosive to Christianity.

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Speaker 3: I mean, I don't guess it's impossible, but usually when

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it's tried, it just doesn't seem to work really well.

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But I mean it's I guess it's always theoretically possible.

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I haven't overlooked your super chat, dude, chill out, man.

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There's a lot of superchats. Let me try to get

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to them all. And there's two different ways that they

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come in apple Seed. No, we read that one Troy

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Orthodox five dollars. I'm asking for my friend Norm, do

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you own a doghouse? I'm assuming that's a Norm McDonald joke.

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I don't own a dog or a doghouse, for one,

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because we travel a lot, so I don't have the

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ability to have a dog. But I did tell Jamie

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that eventually I could get her a dog, but we

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had to figure out how to make that at work.

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Dennis sends sixty looks like Hebrew currency. I don't know.

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Sheckls God, bless you Jay, and bless your chat. Appreciate that, man,

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appreciate that. I'm trying to find your super chat. Dude,

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I don't know what you're Can you just relax good,

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I'm scrolling back. I gonna find it. Burden ten dollars

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unblocked me on Twitter. I said you were mean. I

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apologize Weeper's icon. Okay, I'll try to remember to do that.

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Vanilla seven seventeen ten dollars Unitarian mate pivoted to Christ

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and says, no one sees God but the Son. So

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00:54:04,079 --> 00:54:08,639
Gideon saw an angel, But the text says that Yahweh

943
00:54:08,639 --> 00:54:11,280
turned his face to Gideon, So it's that doesn't That

944
00:54:11,320 --> 00:54:13,320
doesn't work If you can't say that Gideon was just

945
00:54:13,320 --> 00:54:17,360
hanging out with Michael the arch angel. He says, Revelation

946
00:54:17,480 --> 00:54:23,559
twenty two sixteen is a checkmate. How could that be

947
00:54:23,599 --> 00:54:27,400
a checkmate? Let's see, let's steal man. The argument.

948
00:54:29,039 --> 00:54:29,960
Speaker 5: Steal man.

949
00:54:31,360 --> 00:54:35,559
Speaker 3: Revelation twenty two sixteen. I Jesus sent my Angel to

950
00:54:35,599 --> 00:54:40,480
testify to these things in the churches. I am the

951
00:54:40,519 --> 00:54:42,679
root of offspring of David. So the fact that Jesus

952
00:54:42,719 --> 00:54:46,920
says he sent a messenger, the messenger is John. You

953
00:54:47,039 --> 00:54:49,159
got again. People are so stupid. I don't know why

954
00:54:49,239 --> 00:54:52,679
they can't understand this. They they think that the word

955
00:54:52,719 --> 00:54:55,639
angel only refers to like Michael and Gabriel in Your

956
00:54:55,639 --> 00:54:58,480
Guardian Angel. It's just the word that means messenger, dude.

957
00:54:59,320 --> 00:55:02,320
So the content is going to determine what kind of

958
00:55:02,320 --> 00:55:05,119
a messenger it is. The messenger of the Book of

959
00:55:05,159 --> 00:55:08,920
Revelation is the apostle John, and the angels of the

960
00:55:08,960 --> 00:55:12,480
seven Churches can also be the bishops of the seven churches.

961
00:55:12,519 --> 00:55:17,079
They're also messengers. And there's also angels that are angel messengers.

962
00:55:17,559 --> 00:55:20,719
So there's nothing about Revelation twenty two sixteen that somehow

963
00:55:20,760 --> 00:55:25,960
proves that Jesus never appears in the Old Testament. It's

964
00:55:26,039 --> 00:55:29,079
just a created angelic being. I mean, this is so dumb,

965
00:55:30,039 --> 00:55:34,000
and I don't understand why people keep having a problem

966
00:55:34,039 --> 00:55:36,719
with this. It's just like the Musli I guess there's

967
00:55:36,800 --> 00:55:38,119
a lot. I mean again, I don't mean to make

968
00:55:38,159 --> 00:55:40,639
it all iq I know it's not, but like I

969
00:55:40,679 --> 00:55:42,920
think with a lot of these Adiq people man like

970
00:55:42,920 --> 00:55:45,800
these Muslims, these Pakistanis and these these people and these

971
00:55:45,800 --> 00:55:49,760
other like they they're just never going to understand these

972
00:55:49,880 --> 00:55:52,400
kinds of distinctions. And I guess this was the whole

973
00:55:52,400 --> 00:55:54,440
point of that. You know, how would you feel if

974
00:55:54,440 --> 00:55:55,280
you hadn't had breakfast?

975
00:55:55,360 --> 00:55:55,400
Speaker 14: Me?

976
00:56:02,880 --> 00:56:05,800
Speaker 3: I mean, can we look at the word goat or kid?

977
00:56:06,480 --> 00:56:10,400
I mean the word kid? Do you slow people understand

978
00:56:10,480 --> 00:56:13,400
that a kid isn't always a goat. Sometimes it's a

979
00:56:13,480 --> 00:56:16,400
human child. And so the contact and the intentionality of

980
00:56:16,400 --> 00:56:18,880
the author is going to determine whether we're talking about

981
00:56:18,920 --> 00:56:22,960
a small human child or a goat. But it's the

982
00:56:23,000 --> 00:56:26,679
same word. Is that? Okay? Are we understanding this? Grade

983
00:56:26,719 --> 00:56:32,639
school children? Brody Leerman five dollars? I'm doing my first

984
00:56:32,639 --> 00:56:34,639
stet of open mic tonight. Wish me luck well? She

985
00:56:34,920 --> 00:56:36,760
see we got these people in the audience. They're already

986
00:56:36,800 --> 00:56:39,599
beating me. I don't have open mic night because it's

987
00:56:39,639 --> 00:56:41,360
a damn black club and I'm gonna get beat up

988
00:56:41,360 --> 00:56:45,199
if I go and do my stand up there comedy

989
00:56:45,280 --> 00:56:48,760
zone got converted because they started serving fried onions and

990
00:56:49,599 --> 00:56:51,679
blossoms and all of the black people sort of coming in.

991
00:56:51,679 --> 00:56:58,719
Now it's a black comedy club. But good luck, Brody,

992
00:56:59,119 --> 00:57:06,880
we do support you, all right. Let me I'm trying

993
00:57:06,920 --> 00:57:11,440
to find your super check. You said I missed it.

994
00:57:11,599 --> 00:57:16,159
Jony ten dollars, Jay, I love you man. Have you

995
00:57:16,199 --> 00:57:19,920
made a video of the Jehovah's witness contection connection to

996
00:57:19,960 --> 00:57:23,960
the CIA? I didn't make a video on it, but

997
00:57:23,960 --> 00:57:27,360
we've done countless videos where we talked about intelligence agencies

998
00:57:27,400 --> 00:57:31,360
utilizing religions and cults, including toes, witnesses, and scientology. Absolutely. Yeah,

999
00:57:31,360 --> 00:57:35,039
we've mentioned that probably. I mean again, I don't have

1000
00:57:35,079 --> 00:57:38,440
a single video on that subject, but I bet we've

1001
00:57:38,480 --> 00:57:43,119
mentioned it forty times in ten years of podcast. Let's

1002
00:57:43,159 --> 00:57:48,840
see here. J mel twenty dollars. Thank you for defining

1003
00:57:48,840 --> 00:57:52,800
the Beatsivic vision. Does it come out of Augustine? Actually? Yes,

1004
00:57:52,840 --> 00:57:56,400
Augustine is one of the first to state the Beatzivi vision.

1005
00:57:56,440 --> 00:57:58,079
He says it in the City of God. We've covered

1006
00:57:58,079 --> 00:58:02,679
that when we lecture through the City of God. Did

1007
00:58:02,719 --> 00:58:06,360
the Catholics infer it from other Enlightenment writings? No, I

1008
00:58:06,360 --> 00:58:09,119
didn't everything do the Enlightenment. The beatific vision doctrine has

1009
00:58:09,360 --> 00:58:12,280
stated clearly in Augustine and City of God. I think

1010
00:58:12,280 --> 00:58:14,199
he played. I think he states it in other places too.

1011
00:58:14,199 --> 00:58:18,519
Maybe on the Trinity a quinness kind of builds on

1012
00:58:18,599 --> 00:58:21,840
it solidifies it, that the intellect is saciated by seeing

1013
00:58:21,840 --> 00:58:26,119
the divine essence. I mean, that's just kind of what

1014
00:58:26,320 --> 00:58:28,239
I mean. It's it's dogma in Rome, like it's in

1015
00:58:28,320 --> 00:58:31,760
Densinger as its own entry beatific Vision, but it's actually not.

1016
00:58:32,519 --> 00:58:35,679
It's not in Denzinger until the Middle Ages. I want

1017
00:58:35,679 --> 00:58:39,199
to say, like John the twenty second or something. It's

1018
00:58:39,239 --> 00:58:49,000
it's pretty late in Denzinger. Friar Ze, what's up, dude? O? Hey,

1019
00:58:49,079 --> 00:58:58,840
let's find the Denzinger. It'll come up pretty quick. What's up, man?

1020
00:58:58,880 --> 00:58:59,679
I'm friars A.

1021
00:59:00,800 --> 00:59:03,679
Speaker 1: Hello. Can you know what I mean? Hello? I remember

1022
00:59:03,679 --> 00:59:05,679
if you remember I called and all I tuned in

1023
00:59:05,719 --> 00:59:10,920
one time about asking if you did personal calls a

1024
00:59:11,000 --> 00:59:11,679
few weeks ago?

1025
00:59:13,079 --> 00:59:14,920
Speaker 7: Okay, Oh, I mean it is not.

1026
00:59:15,239 --> 00:59:17,360
Speaker 29: But I've like a thousand questions, but I guess the

1027
00:59:17,400 --> 00:59:19,960
one I want to ask is more personal.

1028
00:59:20,280 --> 00:59:24,119
Speaker 1: How does how do you? How does one? How does

1029
00:59:24,159 --> 00:59:28,239
it work? Being like who you are, like quote unquote

1030
00:59:28,280 --> 00:59:30,679
maybe famous or you know, whatever word you want to use.

1031
00:59:30,559 --> 00:59:35,760
Speaker 4: Within Orthodoxy, Like do you like have to like check

1032
00:59:35,800 --> 00:59:38,719
in with your parish priests?

1033
00:59:38,800 --> 00:59:40,599
Speaker 1: Do they like like, I'm not trying to get in

1034
00:59:40,639 --> 00:59:43,559
your business. I'm just genuinely wondering how like it works.

1035
00:59:43,639 --> 00:59:47,519
I know you've been doing stuff, you know, long before Orthodoxy,

1036
00:59:47,760 --> 00:59:50,800
so I'm curious just how it maybe works. You know

1037
00:59:50,840 --> 00:59:51,719
what I'm saying, because.

1038
00:59:51,480 --> 00:59:54,760
Speaker 13: I know I saw someone where you like said you

1039
00:59:54,800 --> 00:59:57,599
gave your discord to your parish folks.

1040
00:59:57,639 --> 00:59:59,960
Speaker 3: So I'm just think I didn't get my discord any

1041
01:00:00,159 --> 01:00:03,119
parish folks, so I'm not I gave it over to

1042
01:00:03,880 --> 01:00:06,360
Fathered again, and I should have time for it. Yeah,

1043
01:00:06,400 --> 01:00:08,639
I mean my handler, my priest is my handler, and

1044
01:00:08,840 --> 01:00:12,400
he's directly under Dugan, and Dugan's directly under Putin. So

1045
01:00:12,440 --> 01:00:15,880
Putin basically sends out the directives. It gets trickles down

1046
01:00:15,960 --> 01:00:19,719
to Uh to Dugan, and then that trickles down to

1047
01:00:19,800 --> 01:00:23,559
my priest and then my priest. Basically he lives over

1048
01:00:23,599 --> 01:00:26,760
in the basement underneath me, and whenever he's ready, he's

1049
01:00:26,760 --> 01:00:28,960
got a little a little horn that he talks into

1050
01:00:29,400 --> 01:00:31,440
and there's a pipe that comes up into my bedroom

1051
01:00:31,559 --> 01:00:35,280
and basically he tells me what to do on pretty much.

1052
01:00:35,719 --> 01:00:37,559
I mean it's not like minutes a minute, it's more

1053
01:00:37,679 --> 01:00:40,400
like every fifteen minutes. He basically gives me the directive.

1054
01:00:40,519 --> 01:00:44,039
So it's pretty much total control. But you know, it's

1055
01:00:44,079 --> 01:00:48,679
a life, it's a living. Let's see, it was John

1056
01:00:48,719 --> 01:00:50,760
the twenty second, but I got to fund I'm trying

1057
01:00:50,760 --> 01:01:00,559
to find the first entry. I want to say. I

1058
01:01:00,599 --> 01:01:05,960
don't know why this is coming up. It's benedictu's datus.

1059
01:01:07,559 --> 01:01:10,320
It says Danzinger nine oh four, but when you go here,

1060
01:01:10,360 --> 01:01:15,760
it's not there, which is weird. So let's try nine

1061
01:01:15,800 --> 01:01:16,239
oh four.

1062
01:01:20,840 --> 01:01:21,039
Speaker 1: Oh.

1063
01:01:21,119 --> 01:01:23,719
Speaker 3: This is two different numbering systems, that's why. So it's

1064
01:01:23,960 --> 01:01:28,239
let's say Benedict this days. I was right, though it

1065
01:01:28,599 --> 01:01:35,960
is John the twenty second. Now it's not excuse me,

1066
01:01:36,159 --> 01:01:47,280
Benedict the twelfth be a tyfic vision in the last days.

1067
01:01:47,360 --> 01:02:03,800
Here we go, there you go Denzinger five thirty, Dogma,

1068
01:02:03,920 --> 01:02:08,519
you see the divine essence in the escaton right there? Dusan,

1069
01:02:08,639 --> 01:02:17,599
what's up, dog I'm still looking for your question about

1070
01:02:19,159 --> 01:02:23,480
Sir Joe five or eight A's high IQ is not

1071
01:02:23,599 --> 01:02:26,920
halal bro exactly. I think it's kind of a requirement.

1072
01:02:27,679 --> 01:02:31,280
You gotta be low iq. I don't see any questions

1073
01:02:31,280 --> 01:02:35,559
about the patriarch, So I don't know what you're having

1074
01:02:35,559 --> 01:02:38,559
a meltdown about. I'm going back. Maybe I just missed it.

1075
01:02:38,639 --> 01:02:50,199
Let me scroll back steam aleven five dollars. In Hebrew,

1076
01:02:50,440 --> 01:02:54,960
the word allah is a curse and an oak. Muslims

1077
01:02:54,960 --> 01:02:59,559
and Arab Christians worship cursed oak trees. I don't know

1078
01:02:59,559 --> 01:03:02,320
what that means, the word allah. I think you're making

1079
01:03:02,360 --> 01:03:21,119
a joke. Surely, right, Bulgarian three dollars? This must be it.

1080
01:03:21,719 --> 01:03:24,880
What do you think of Patriarch Bartholomew talking about World

1081
01:03:24,920 --> 01:03:28,800
Council of Religions for Peace in twenty twenty five. I

1082
01:03:28,800 --> 01:03:32,719
mean it's as bad as anything bar the Pope for

1083
01:03:32,760 --> 01:03:35,239
INSTIs in Vatican Tuesday. I mean I've been critiquing and

1084
01:03:35,280 --> 01:03:49,800
calling out Bartholomew for a long time. Burden, I'm an

1085
01:03:49,840 --> 01:03:53,239
orthodoxed catecumen. We had an interaction that was silly, unblock me.

1086
01:03:53,400 --> 01:03:59,440
I want to call you, okay, weeper's icon dousan. What's

1087
01:03:59,480 --> 01:04:12,800
up man? I'm mute man, barely what's up?

1088
01:04:14,400 --> 01:04:17,400
Speaker 5: Id? Because I'm an Orthodox Christian. I had a question

1089
01:04:17,519 --> 01:04:18,920
about praying for these people.

1090
01:04:19,480 --> 01:04:21,519
Speaker 1: Can they be used for salvation?

1091
01:04:25,000 --> 01:04:26,239
Speaker 30: Uh?

1092
01:04:26,280 --> 01:04:28,159
Speaker 3: Well, I mean we can pray for the dead, but

1093
01:04:28,199 --> 01:04:31,480
if I mean, if they died self consciously in wickedness,

1094
01:04:32,320 --> 01:04:34,800
which we don't know right, it is probably not going

1095
01:04:34,840 --> 01:04:37,840
to save them. So if they are wicked and they

1096
01:04:37,880 --> 01:04:40,960
die wicked, they're not going to be saved because we

1097
01:04:41,000 --> 01:04:43,159
pray for them. But we don't know people's final state

1098
01:04:43,239 --> 01:04:45,679
and all that, so you know, we can pray for them.

1099
01:04:46,199 --> 01:04:58,679
Monitor what's up man? What's up?

1100
01:04:59,800 --> 01:04:59,920
Speaker 1: Hey?

1101
01:05:00,199 --> 01:05:06,519
Speaker 3: J Hey, hey?

1102
01:05:07,280 --> 01:05:10,719
Speaker 24: I was watching Nick Flintes recently and someone asked.

1103
01:05:10,480 --> 01:05:15,119
Speaker 4: About you and he said he liked you and would

1104
01:05:15,239 --> 01:05:16,079
do a collab.

1105
01:05:16,320 --> 01:05:18,199
Speaker 14: So when are you gonna.

1106
01:05:17,960 --> 01:05:18,639
Speaker 1: Get that set up?

1107
01:05:19,000 --> 01:05:22,159
Speaker 3: Well, there was a kind of collab in that he

1108
01:05:22,320 --> 01:05:24,519
was just on the Sam Hide Show, which I wrote for.

1109
01:05:25,320 --> 01:05:27,280
But nobody has reached out to me yet.

1110
01:05:29,480 --> 01:05:30,719
Speaker 1: Okay, I hope it happens.

1111
01:05:31,880 --> 01:05:33,719
Speaker 3: Thank you anything else on your mind?

1112
01:05:36,760 --> 01:05:38,559
Speaker 1: No, thanks for what you do?

1113
01:05:42,960 --> 01:05:44,119
Speaker 3: Extreme what's up.

1114
01:05:48,039 --> 01:05:48,719
Speaker 1: Whom?

1115
01:05:51,119 --> 01:05:54,760
Speaker 13: I had a couple of quick questions. One, do you

1116
01:05:54,840 --> 01:05:59,320
believe in cryptids? Have you ever read the Hammer of

1117
01:05:59,440 --> 01:06:02,159
which is or heard of it? And what are your

1118
01:06:02,199 --> 01:06:05,000
thoughts on the medieval witch trials and where wolf trials

1119
01:06:05,039 --> 01:06:08,800
of Europe.

1120
01:06:09,079 --> 01:06:12,599
Speaker 3: I'm open minded about cryptids. I think that there's probably

1121
01:06:13,320 --> 01:06:19,119
you know, demonic spirits and entities or something. Probably I

1122
01:06:19,440 --> 01:06:23,840
can't prove that with any like hardcore evidence. I think

1123
01:06:23,920 --> 01:06:31,199
probably a lot of the medieval trials were probably bullshit.

1124
01:06:32,400 --> 01:06:34,679
I have read Hamberg Witches. There's a lot of silly

1125
01:06:34,719 --> 01:06:37,920
stuff in there, got a lot of superstitious stuff. But

1126
01:06:38,559 --> 01:06:42,320
that's about all I know about that. Lord. I love cryptids, though,

1127
01:06:43,280 --> 01:06:46,960
but I don't know what's going on. Lord Casper Swift,

1128
01:06:47,039 --> 01:06:47,400
what's up?

1129
01:06:47,480 --> 01:06:47,639
Speaker 14: Man?

1130
01:06:57,599 --> 01:06:59,719
Speaker 3: Speaking of I forgot we were gonna we were gonna

1131
01:06:59,760 --> 01:07:05,199
do a a stream on land between the lakes and

1132
01:07:05,239 --> 01:07:09,719
the dog man well whatever he is, I forgot about

1133
01:07:09,760 --> 01:07:15,000
doing that. That one. That's a fun one, Lord Casper.

1134
01:07:15,039 --> 01:07:22,800
I'm here, dude, What is the logic behind waiting in

1135
01:07:22,840 --> 01:07:26,800
line and then not unmuting? I don't understand what? What's

1136
01:07:27,000 --> 01:07:28,159
what do people get out of that?

1137
01:07:28,280 --> 01:07:28,360
Speaker 14: Like?

1138
01:07:28,480 --> 01:07:28,559
Speaker 31: What?

1139
01:07:29,000 --> 01:07:35,159
Speaker 3: Why? I'm mystified by this, Jason, what's up, dude? I

1140
01:07:35,159 --> 01:07:37,599
hope this is the black guy that says, white boy,

1141
01:07:37,719 --> 01:07:38,000
what's that?

1142
01:07:38,119 --> 01:07:41,360
Speaker 5: White boy?

1143
01:07:41,679 --> 01:07:44,360
Speaker 3: Remember him? The guy that makes like infinite profiles?

1144
01:07:45,800 --> 01:07:49,760
Speaker 1: Yes, sir, so, I'm what the dot Christian.

1145
01:07:49,760 --> 01:07:51,800
Speaker 5: I've been wanting to speak the team for a while.

1146
01:07:53,519 --> 01:07:54,920
Speaker 1: I forgot a lot of my questions.

1147
01:07:54,960 --> 01:08:00,800
Speaker 31: But my parish really pushes that the Calistos where the

1148
01:08:00,920 --> 01:08:05,800
Orthodox Way book is a it's that it's a good book,

1149
01:08:05,800 --> 01:08:11,239
and I've heard negative things about him personally, with him

1150
01:08:11,280 --> 01:08:13,840
being like an ecumenist. I just wanted to know what

1151
01:08:13,960 --> 01:08:17,079
your thoughts are were about his writings.

1152
01:08:17,359 --> 01:08:19,319
Speaker 3: The worst part of that book is that it kind

1153
01:08:19,359 --> 01:08:22,520
of hints at universalism in one section, and then there's

1154
01:08:22,560 --> 01:08:26,520
a Nestorian Protestant statement about Jesus being damned on the cross,

1155
01:08:26,560 --> 01:08:30,119
which is false, and then beyond that, towards the end

1156
01:08:30,119 --> 01:08:32,439
of his life he softened up and seemed to be

1157
01:08:32,520 --> 01:08:37,520
pro gay. So I do not ever recommend where books. Aaron,

1158
01:08:37,560 --> 01:08:48,119
what's up? Man? Yo?

1159
01:08:50,640 --> 01:08:53,279
Speaker 1: Hey? Can you hear me? Hey?

1160
01:08:53,960 --> 01:08:55,760
Speaker 14: Today your day has finally come.

1161
01:08:55,920 --> 01:08:58,600
Speaker 1: You were about to get debunked finally.

1162
01:09:01,079 --> 01:09:03,800
Speaker 3: No, see, now you got me all hyped up. I

1163
01:09:03,840 --> 01:09:05,039
was ready to get smashed.

1164
01:09:07,359 --> 01:09:07,399
Speaker 7: No.

1165
01:09:07,560 --> 01:09:12,079
Speaker 32: I just got a quick question for you. Have you

1166
01:09:12,159 --> 01:09:17,880
ever encountered any type of King James only ism?

1167
01:09:18,760 --> 01:09:19,039
Speaker 3: Sure?

1168
01:09:21,279 --> 01:09:23,479
Speaker 1: So, I kind of grew up in.

1169
01:09:23,479 --> 01:09:24,359
Speaker 14: This and.

1170
01:09:25,960 --> 01:09:30,439
Speaker 32: It's kind of recently looked into it a little bit

1171
01:09:30,439 --> 01:09:35,640
more and realized it is, you know, cultish sort of.

1172
01:09:39,479 --> 01:09:42,000
Speaker 7: Do you have any advice for.

1173
01:09:44,199 --> 01:09:46,840
Speaker 32: I guess I should give some backstory here, But my

1174
01:09:47,079 --> 01:09:51,920
dad is actually my pastor, and yeah.

1175
01:09:51,880 --> 01:09:52,039
Speaker 1: So.

1176
01:09:55,159 --> 01:09:58,159
Speaker 32: I don't really know how to approach him about this

1177
01:09:58,279 --> 01:10:01,640
and say like, hey, we're going to disagree that here

1178
01:10:01,880 --> 01:10:03,000
without you know, like.

1179
01:10:04,560 --> 01:10:07,880
Speaker 3: You have any well, I would just not I would.

1180
01:10:08,199 --> 01:10:11,520
You know, you're never going to convince your dad through

1181
01:10:11,760 --> 01:10:16,439
debate and argumentation because he's there's just a dynamic that's,

1182
01:10:17,239 --> 01:10:23,279
you know, authority versus those under authority. So the best

1183
01:10:23,319 --> 01:10:25,840
way to convince your dad is for him to see

1184
01:10:25,880 --> 01:10:28,960
that if you become Orthodox, that it impacts your life

1185
01:10:29,039 --> 01:10:32,399
in a positive, profound way. So he sees you mature,

1186
01:10:32,479 --> 01:10:35,039
he sees you become a man, he sees you, you know,

1187
01:10:35,159 --> 01:10:38,640
establish a family, you know, have your own business, be

1188
01:10:38,920 --> 01:10:42,000
faithful and stable, and a change in you. That's the

1189
01:10:42,039 --> 01:10:44,800
best way to convert and influence your family. It's not

1190
01:10:44,840 --> 01:10:48,239
going to be through debating and you know, arguing about

1191
01:10:48,239 --> 01:10:51,039
the Philly oquay over you know, Thanksgiving dinner, and none

1192
01:10:51,079 --> 01:10:53,079
of that's going to work. The only time I would

1193
01:10:53,119 --> 01:10:56,760
say is that if they do ask you questions, at

1194
01:10:56,800 --> 01:10:59,520
that point, it's good to say, hey, yeah, dad, here's

1195
01:10:59,560 --> 01:11:01,920
a really good book on orthodoxy. I recommend reading this.

1196
01:11:02,399 --> 01:11:05,079
So that's how I would approach that. Otherwise it's just

1197
01:11:05,119 --> 01:11:08,159
not it's just not worth trying to argue with with

1198
01:11:08,199 --> 01:11:14,399
your dad. And you know, the KJV only route crowd

1199
01:11:14,520 --> 01:11:19,800
is is a difficult one because they're usually suit like

1200
01:11:20,239 --> 01:11:22,199
I'm not talking about your dad in particular, but like

1201
01:11:22,239 --> 01:11:25,399
it's very dunning Krueger to where like they don't even

1202
01:11:25,439 --> 01:11:29,680
realize how dumb the stuff they believe is, and the

1203
01:11:29,680 --> 01:11:32,520
more you try to kind of refute it, the more

1204
01:11:32,520 --> 01:11:35,079
they double down, triple down. So I would actually just say,

1205
01:11:35,119 --> 01:11:39,479
maybe it's a tough one with us because it's like

1206
01:11:39,479 --> 01:11:46,319
a cult. I mean, I would say, you know, if

1207
01:11:46,399 --> 01:11:51,720
he if he's not willing to question it or consider

1208
01:11:51,760 --> 01:11:53,560
the possibility of being wrong, and it's even worse if

1209
01:11:53,560 --> 01:11:56,520
he's a pastor, you might just have to just leave

1210
01:11:56,560 --> 01:11:59,600
it alone and just try to love him to death.

1211
01:12:00,479 --> 01:12:02,199
It's really the only thing I could think of. Honestly,

1212
01:12:03,760 --> 01:12:05,560
try to be the best son that you can be.

1213
01:12:05,600 --> 01:12:12,600
That's probably your best route. But I feel, you, man,

1214
01:12:12,720 --> 01:12:20,279
I mean, tain't nothing ten dollars. Everybody should watch Chase's

1215
01:12:20,359 --> 01:12:24,640
debate with Vegan Gains on jimbob channel. It's pretty entertaining. Yeah,

1216
01:12:24,960 --> 01:12:27,840
I would like to check that out. That sounds super funny.

1217
01:12:27,880 --> 01:12:30,039
I didn't even know that was happening. I probably would

1218
01:12:30,039 --> 01:12:33,479
have postponed this stream. So they're not mad thinking I

1219
01:12:33,479 --> 01:12:36,000
was trying to steal the audience or whatever. I didn't

1220
01:12:36,039 --> 01:12:38,560
know they were doing that. But that sounds pretty funny.

1221
01:12:38,600 --> 01:12:42,359
But I mean, I don't think anybody's expecting Vegan Gains

1222
01:12:42,399 --> 01:12:45,439
to offer very much. Does he still do the same

1223
01:12:45,880 --> 01:12:50,319
name the tree? I mean, are people still vegan? That

1224
01:12:50,520 --> 01:12:52,880
seems like this has died out. Remember when Tristana was

1225
01:12:52,920 --> 01:12:55,720
doing live streams and you know, this is like twenty nineteen.

1226
01:12:55,760 --> 01:13:01,680
It's like the height of veganism on YouTube, and I

1227
01:13:01,680 --> 01:13:04,239
don't even see anything vegan. I don't even know there's

1228
01:13:04,279 --> 01:13:08,119
still vegan YouTubers. Is it even a thing? Somebody was

1229
01:13:08,159 --> 01:13:11,880
saying that it's so bad now that like Vegan Gains

1230
01:13:11,920 --> 01:13:15,600
just does his own like OnlyFans or whatever. I'm not joking,

1231
01:13:15,680 --> 01:13:20,119
Like he actually does his of and that because like

1232
01:13:20,199 --> 01:13:24,520
the whole vegan YouTube world died. That's what I thought

1233
01:13:24,560 --> 01:13:28,920
was going on. So whenever I hear like, oh that's

1234
01:13:28,960 --> 01:13:32,079
twice straight up twenty eighteen and here the day Vegan gains,

1235
01:13:32,119 --> 01:13:39,479
remember him, um making sure I didn't missing the super

1236
01:13:39,560 --> 01:13:41,920
chest because there was quite a few. I think I

1237
01:13:41,960 --> 01:13:48,720
got them all there. Yeah, I got that one, got

1238
01:13:48,760 --> 01:13:53,359
that one, got that one. Don't you dare miss the

1239
01:13:53,399 --> 01:13:58,399
super Chi bust down, Jubilee one dollar. Your shades can

1240
01:13:58,479 --> 01:14:01,039
hide all the tears in your eyes, but not your

1241
01:14:01,159 --> 01:14:04,960
underskin mole on your eyebrow, white boy? Oh got me?

1242
01:14:05,000 --> 01:14:08,199
Look at that a mole right there. That's a pretty

1243
01:14:08,239 --> 01:14:11,640
devastating cut down. Might have to call it a night.

1244
01:14:13,199 --> 01:14:15,279
And that's why I wear the glasses so you guys

1245
01:14:15,319 --> 01:14:18,840
can't see me crying. Because it's like, are people not

1246
01:14:18,920 --> 01:14:21,119
even good at cutdowns anymore? Remember in the back in

1247
01:14:21,159 --> 01:14:23,399
the day, dude, Like in the eighties and the nineties,

1248
01:14:23,920 --> 01:14:27,439
cutdowns were just savage, dude. They would just like cut

1249
01:14:27,479 --> 01:14:31,479
to the bone. But like, you have a mole on

1250
01:14:31,520 --> 01:14:35,479
your eyebrow, that's the best you got, Dude. That's weak.

1251
01:14:36,000 --> 01:14:38,920
It's weak as hell, all right, It's up and for him,

1252
01:14:38,960 --> 01:14:41,399
anybody wants to call in, I've still got some energy.

1253
01:14:41,479 --> 01:14:45,000
I'm still here. I'm still standing hit request to speak.

1254
01:14:45,840 --> 01:14:47,800
These guys have already been on. I feel like I'm

1255
01:14:47,800 --> 01:14:51,439
just gonna get more questions of stuff that we've already

1256
01:14:51,920 --> 01:14:53,760
kind of dealt with. No offense to those dudes. I

1257
01:14:53,840 --> 01:14:56,600
love you. I love you guys, you very much. Not

1258
01:14:56,640 --> 01:15:01,560
hating on you. I love you. It's called a you anymore. Exactly, Hello,

1259
01:15:01,640 --> 01:15:07,960
Cindy Crawford, exactly e diva atism five dollars. Should migrant

1260
01:15:07,960 --> 01:15:12,000
populations who convert return to their countries of origin? I

1261
01:15:12,000 --> 01:15:14,640
think they should return, regardless of the conversion or not.

1262
01:15:15,119 --> 01:15:17,680
Conversion has nothing to do with him. Like, they should

1263
01:15:17,720 --> 01:15:20,600
just go back. That's what I think. Carb five dollars.

1264
01:15:20,640 --> 01:15:23,359
Shout out to your godfather, Dean Arnold. He has great

1265
01:15:23,359 --> 01:15:26,439
friends from college with my father in law who is

1266
01:15:26,439 --> 01:15:29,439
now a priest, who brought him into the Orthodox Church.

1267
01:15:29,520 --> 01:15:32,960
Well that's crazy. It's an interesting round about it, Seim.

1268
01:15:33,000 --> 01:15:34,960
I want to call in. Who hasn't called in? Okay,

1269
01:15:34,960 --> 01:15:37,279
so these dudes, no offense to you, dudes, I love you,

1270
01:15:37,800 --> 01:15:43,359
but you've already called in. I want haters and debaters.

1271
01:15:43,800 --> 01:15:48,319
That got to issue. We only got fifty second. Remember

1272
01:15:48,359 --> 01:15:50,159
the other night, it was crazy. We had one hundred.

1273
01:15:50,560 --> 01:15:53,840
Now we had two hundred and fifty people in here,

1274
01:15:53,960 --> 01:15:59,239
and nobody would nobody would call in. That was pretty

1275
01:15:59,319 --> 01:16:04,960
that was pretty wide. And now we got sixty people.

1276
01:16:06,159 --> 01:16:09,600
And it's the same three dudes that have already called in. Owen,

1277
01:16:09,680 --> 01:16:15,960
We'll go to this dude. What's up? Still stand? Hey, Jay?

1278
01:16:16,399 --> 01:16:17,800
Speaker 5: Have you heard of Michael Jones?

1279
01:16:18,279 --> 01:16:18,720
Speaker 3: Of course?

1280
01:16:20,039 --> 01:16:21,000
Speaker 14: Okay, So then like.

1281
01:16:21,359 --> 01:16:23,199
Speaker 27: If I talked if I said, like, you've heard about

1282
01:16:23,199 --> 01:16:25,319
his stuff about like the horror movies and stuff about

1283
01:16:25,359 --> 01:16:26,920
vampires and syphilis and all that.

1284
01:16:28,359 --> 01:16:30,159
Speaker 3: Well, I don't know about every one of his theories.

1285
01:16:30,199 --> 01:16:32,600
I don't what is his name about vampires and syphilists.

1286
01:16:33,119 --> 01:16:34,720
This isn't new. This is a new one to me.

1287
01:16:35,479 --> 01:16:36,239
Speaker 14: I said.

1288
01:16:37,640 --> 01:16:42,199
Speaker 27: That, I thought you would find it interesting because of

1289
01:16:42,279 --> 01:16:42,680
your like.

1290
01:16:42,840 --> 01:16:47,600
Speaker 3: Are they are they fighting the low boss? Vampires starts with.

1291
01:16:47,560 --> 01:16:50,960
Speaker 7: The low both Well, when he's not talking.

1292
01:16:50,760 --> 01:16:54,199
Speaker 27: About the Jews or the logos, he writes about horror

1293
01:16:54,199 --> 01:16:56,680
movies and the like they're a horror.

1294
01:16:56,319 --> 01:16:57,439
Speaker 1: Itself and analyzes it.

1295
01:16:57,520 --> 01:16:58,079
Speaker 3: I didn't know that.

1296
01:16:58,159 --> 01:17:01,079
Speaker 1: Yeah, So with vampires, he.

1297
01:17:01,079 --> 01:17:03,880
Speaker 27: Said he was reading about Graham Stoker and found out

1298
01:17:03,880 --> 01:17:05,039
that Bram Stoker had.

1299
01:17:04,880 --> 01:17:07,199
Speaker 5: Actually contracted Syphlis.

1300
01:17:07,199 --> 01:17:11,720
Speaker 27: This is before penicillin, and that the whole vampire thing

1301
01:17:11,920 --> 01:17:16,840
was basically a Catharsis story for Europe around syphilis, and

1302
01:17:16,880 --> 01:17:23,600
that that the whole thing with like the guy Harker

1303
01:17:23,640 --> 01:17:28,000
when he's there with those female vampires or whatever, he.

1304
01:17:28,039 --> 01:17:28,920
Speaker 1: Like, has sex with them.

1305
01:17:28,960 --> 01:17:32,399
Speaker 27: Then he goes back to England and then Mina, which

1306
01:17:32,520 --> 01:17:36,399
for the undercurrent is that Mina is like an innocent

1307
01:17:36,520 --> 01:17:38,920
victim of syphilis because she starts going crazy and stuff,

1308
01:17:39,000 --> 01:17:41,199
which is what happened to be there.

1309
01:17:41,319 --> 01:17:44,000
Speaker 3: That is an interesting thesis. I never thought about that.

1310
01:17:44,159 --> 01:17:49,960
I didn't know that. That's that's fascinating. Oh thanks, Yeah, Well,

1311
01:17:50,760 --> 01:17:54,560
beware of Tom Cruise, the you know him and Brad

1312
01:17:54,560 --> 01:17:56,159
Pitt trying to bite on your neck. You're probably going

1313
01:17:56,199 --> 01:17:59,520
to get the you know, get the gay. So watch out, spook.

1314
01:17:59,600 --> 01:18:06,399
The spooky talk about Anne Rice. I'll talk about interview

1315
01:18:06,399 --> 01:18:10,039
with the vampire. I'm talking about right on that neck

1316
01:18:10,119 --> 01:18:15,000
boy getting that gay syphilis. What's up, man, I'm you

1317
01:18:15,960 --> 01:18:17,760
I hey, Jake.

1318
01:18:19,000 --> 01:18:23,199
Speaker 33: I'm wondering about your take on Iran and Savak and

1319
01:18:23,239 --> 01:18:28,479
the British involvement in the Iotolis rule. I'm mostly curious about,

1320
01:18:28,520 --> 01:18:31,600
like what the key factor is that's keeping Iran under

1321
01:18:31,640 --> 01:18:34,800
the stranglehold of Britain. I'm also curious as to like

1322
01:18:35,800 --> 01:18:38,760
why it seems to like kind of contradict some of

1323
01:18:38,800 --> 01:18:42,319
the current narratives even like some of the deeper level

1324
01:18:42,399 --> 01:18:46,760
narratives about what's going on with like the geopolitical connections

1325
01:18:46,760 --> 01:18:50,319
in the world, like Russia and China and Iran. That

1326
01:18:50,359 --> 01:18:53,399
alliance doesn't really seem to make sense to me, especially

1327
01:18:53,479 --> 01:18:57,159
with you know what I know about Iran's connection with

1328
01:18:57,239 --> 01:18:58,039
the British.

1329
01:18:58,800 --> 01:19:01,760
Speaker 7: I'm just I don't know what's going on, and I was.

1330
01:19:01,680 --> 01:19:04,680
Speaker 3: Wondering if she had. I mean, I've done several talks

1331
01:19:04,760 --> 01:19:07,520
on the history of it that I mean, here's the

1332
01:19:07,560 --> 01:19:10,119
clips video that just went up today seven hours ago

1333
01:19:10,199 --> 01:19:12,560
on the covert ties between Iran and the CIA, and

1334
01:19:12,600 --> 01:19:15,119
I've done lectures on the history of British intelligence and

1335
01:19:15,159 --> 01:19:17,359
the relationship to it. But I don't, I mean, other

1336
01:19:17,399 --> 01:19:19,119
than what I've talked about in those videos, I don't

1337
01:19:19,119 --> 01:19:24,760
know what else to say. Jeremy, what's up. I'm still

1338
01:19:25,000 --> 01:19:33,199
stan who brought the Eye of Tolis to power. And

1339
01:19:33,279 --> 01:19:35,319
here's the video of me talking about I tell us

1340
01:19:35,359 --> 01:19:39,560
come to power with the aid of the British. I mean,

1341
01:19:39,600 --> 01:19:45,800
I don't think that Britain necessarily totally controls Iran. What's

1342
01:19:45,840 --> 01:19:46,319
on your mind?

1343
01:19:48,159 --> 01:19:48,359
Speaker 1: Hey?

1344
01:19:48,720 --> 01:19:53,880
Speaker 34: So I just was learning that Thomas believe in predestination,

1345
01:19:54,520 --> 01:19:59,000
and I guess I just actually went a good one

1346
01:19:59,039 --> 01:20:01,319
of my best friends. He has a Catholic friend and

1347
01:20:01,439 --> 01:20:03,279
he just introduced us to which I think that would

1348
01:20:03,279 --> 01:20:07,000
get along. And I was just curious, is that is

1349
01:20:07,039 --> 01:20:12,439
the predestination in the Thomas view the official Catholic UH doctrine?

1350
01:20:12,600 --> 01:20:15,520
Speaker 3: And if so, I guess we're no. I mean, as

1351
01:20:15,560 --> 01:20:19,439
a Roman Catholic. Roman Catholics can believe in molinisms. While

1352
01:20:19,479 --> 01:20:22,399
Res's position, you can believe in the Thomas position. You

1353
01:20:22,399 --> 01:20:26,479
can have an Augustinian position. They allow a dispute and

1354
01:20:26,520 --> 01:20:35,520
debate on that topic. Okay, thank you, stay stand Hamilton.

1355
01:20:37,479 --> 01:20:48,199
What's up? Name? By the way? Uh? These two.

1356
01:20:50,279 --> 01:20:51,000
Speaker 1: J E. W.

1357
01:20:51,079 --> 01:20:57,159
Speaker 3: Baiting Jesuits, Sam Hid obviously a Jesuit nick Off, obviously

1358
01:20:57,159 --> 01:21:00,640
a Jesuit, are in the CIA. They're mission is to

1359
01:21:00,640 --> 01:21:05,680
filment the rise of the Jesuit controlled right wing, ultimately

1360
01:21:05,760 --> 01:21:11,840
a monarchy and pro inquisition tridentine Catholic fascism. So here's

1361
01:21:11,840 --> 01:21:16,439
what we got from this wacko Protestant to which I'm

1362
01:21:16,479 --> 01:21:20,079
assuming this is Pinesapp. I think pinesp says the Society

1363
01:21:20,079 --> 01:21:25,279
of Jesus sends us regards. Oh got smoked, to which

1364
01:21:25,319 --> 01:21:31,960
I said, welcome to Layer one. Of the Illuminati enormies,

1365
01:21:32,640 --> 01:21:37,680
the Nephelin Bafomet bloodlines, Data Rectolians who control the Tibetan

1366
01:21:37,680 --> 01:21:41,640
Atlantis Merchant Masonic Muselage Masters are the ones that actually

1367
01:21:41,640 --> 01:21:46,000
control the Jesuits, who controlled the jew who control the world,

1368
01:21:46,319 --> 01:21:54,359
and we send our regards welcome to Layer one. Normis Hamilton,

1369
01:21:54,399 --> 01:21:55,359
I'm mute. What's up man?

1370
01:21:57,239 --> 01:22:01,880
Speaker 35: Hey, J big fan. Thanks for me on. You're doing

1371
01:22:01,880 --> 01:22:05,319
a good job out there. We all love you. I'm

1372
01:22:05,319 --> 01:22:09,119
a big Sam hid fan as well. And my question

1373
01:22:09,279 --> 01:22:13,159
is have you had any discussion with Sam about religion,

1374
01:22:14,840 --> 01:22:17,680
because he seems like he's kind of making a turn

1375
01:22:17,760 --> 01:22:20,640
into kind of making some public statements that.

1376
01:22:20,840 --> 01:22:22,119
Speaker 1: He might be a believer.

1377
01:22:24,279 --> 01:22:28,560
Speaker 3: We had a lengthy discussion about his video game that

1378
01:22:28,600 --> 01:22:32,760
he's been creating, because he is putting Christian themes and

1379
01:22:32,760 --> 01:22:37,079
elements into his sort of sci fi multiverse video game

1380
01:22:37,159 --> 01:22:40,439
that he's been working on for a long time. We

1381
01:22:40,520 --> 01:22:43,159
touched on it a little bit when I was on PGL,

1382
01:22:44,439 --> 01:22:47,600
but we haven't had much more than that. So, I mean,

1383
01:22:47,680 --> 01:22:51,800
he did say in a podcast recently he does personally

1384
01:22:51,840 --> 01:22:54,600
believe in Jesus, but I don't know if that means

1385
01:22:54,640 --> 01:22:58,000
he's attending a church or what. So we haven't really

1386
01:22:58,039 --> 01:23:02,399
engaged in that conversation beyond those two instances in the past.

1387
01:23:03,760 --> 01:23:06,760
But yeah, I keep keep praying for Sam. I certainly

1388
01:23:06,800 --> 01:23:15,880
have been. John David, what's up? Atism? No, we did that.

1389
01:23:18,239 --> 01:23:20,439
I thought I missed one. Hold on, let's see Vanilla.

1390
01:23:21,039 --> 01:23:24,399
No we did that. Ain't on? Uh oh you missed

1391
01:23:24,439 --> 01:23:27,960
my super Roast chat a minute ago. No, I read it.

1392
01:23:27,960 --> 01:23:30,279
You said I have a mole. That was pretty hardcore. Dude.

1393
01:23:30,439 --> 01:23:34,600
I'm just still recovering because, man, you start talking about

1394
01:23:34,600 --> 01:23:38,560
my moles. Dude, that's hard. It's hard. I'm gonna be honest,

1395
01:23:38,600 --> 01:23:43,039
it's hard. John David, what's up?

1396
01:23:43,079 --> 01:23:46,199
Speaker 7: Many day?

1397
01:23:48,319 --> 01:23:52,479
Speaker 15: Appreciate what you do for the community and for the church.

1398
01:23:54,399 --> 01:23:57,920
Speaker 3: Go to question for you community organizer like Obama? Remember

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that community organizers.

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Speaker 15: I came out of a of a of a cult.

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Speaker 1: Maybe maybe like nine months ago.

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Speaker 3: And what kind we love our cults? Yeah, So I'm

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working on starting all I got, so I need, I

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need all the info and the deets I can get.

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Speaker 5: Yeah.

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Speaker 3: So, I mean it's not a sell. What's the point, right? Like?

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Speaker 15: Yeah, they weren't too much into sex in this one.

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It's called the Local Churches or the the Lord's Recovery.

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Speaker 1: Have you heard of that one?

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Speaker 3: No?

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Speaker 1: Yeah?

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Speaker 15: So it was started by Witness Lead. He was a

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prodigy of Watchman in China. Have you heard of Watchman?

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Speaker 3: Yes?

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Speaker 1: Yeah, No Christian lives and he.

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Speaker 15: Was heavily influenced by someone called Emmy Barber and she

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was a dispensationalist. He took a lot of inspiration from

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John Nelson Darby. They're super big into all of that

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and their view, probably one of the most fundamental views

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is that the church is one city, one church.

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Speaker 7: Have you heard of that?

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Speaker 3: Have not? Yeah?

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Speaker 15: So in the New Testament, you see Paul use the

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descriptor for the for the people that he's speaking to

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in his epistle, Uh, you know, the church in Philippi,

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the Church in Ethesus, the Church and Colossy. And then

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you see in Revelation when Jesus uh addresses John, you.

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Speaker 1: Know, give these to the give these letters.

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Speaker 15: I think give these letters to the seven churches, right,

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I think he uses the term local church. And so

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they're very dogmatic about how God's only right recognizes the

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church as one city meeting under that city's name, and

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of course they take full authority over that and then

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just kick everyone else out of that picture.

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Speaker 14: So if you were.

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Speaker 15: To begin to combat someone giving you that that argument

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that you know in scripture we only see the church

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is being described this way, then why would we ascribe

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the church another way other than the worldwide church, which.

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Speaker 3: Churches describe both ways. So for example, you know in

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Matthew sixteen when Jesus establishes the church and he talks

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to Peter, and then in Matthew eighteen, when the same

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thing has said to the whole college of the Apostles

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when they meet in Acts fifteen at the Jerusalem Council,

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that is the Apostolic College, which is the twelve foundation

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stones in the Book of Revelation of that one city.

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So the city, in terms of the imagery of the

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Book of Revelation, is an entire building, an entire edifice.

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And for example, in Peter's Epistles, Peter says you are

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a holy priesthood, a Royal Chosen People, a holy Nation,

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et cetera, ascribing the promises to the nation state of Israel,

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to the universal Church. Those epistles are called the Catholic

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epistles because they're not ascribed to any one church. Right,

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So Peter and John's epistles are written to many churches

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as far as we know, hence the term Catholic epistles.

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So the College of the Apostles is the foundation stones

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of the New Jerusalem. The Book of Relation again says

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that each foundation stone has the name of an apostle

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on it and it's one vast building. So the cult

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here is basically saying that because some of the letters

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are written to certain churches, there is therefore only local churches.

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But that's not true, right, It's a false either or

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fallacy because it's of both. And yeah, there are local churches,

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but they're also called one universal Catholicos or total Church,

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or the entire body of Christ throughout the world. And

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again go back to the Old Testament, when we have

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the promises to you know, the patriarchs. The promises to

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Abraham are that all the nations will be blessed in

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the seed of the Messiah and In Galatians three, Paul

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says that that seed is all the people baptized into Christ.

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So that seed is the priesthood and is the nation,

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and is thus not only local, but it is local.

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Speaker 15: Okay, great, thank you for answering that. You can ask

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another YEP. One of their Bedrock teachings comes directly from

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Watchman Knee.

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Speaker 1: He basically made this.

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Speaker 15: Three volume series called The Spiritual Man, and within that

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series he basically takes.

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Speaker 7: From Jesse Penn Lewis.

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Speaker 32: Who was a dispensationalist mystic, and.

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Speaker 15: Presents basically the on I don't know if I'm saying

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this is greatly the ontology of man, describing man as

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three parts, so tripart type view.

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Speaker 1: And so you have the body.

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Speaker 15: The biology and all its parts that are materially observable.

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Speaker 7: Then you have the soul to.

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Speaker 1: Comprise of the mind, emotion, and will.

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Speaker 15: And then the spirit, which they believe is comprised of

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the conscience, the intuition.

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Speaker 7: And fellowship.

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Speaker 15: And my question is what would the orthodox view of

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man be?

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Speaker 1: Was he two parts? Three parts?

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Speaker 15: And then if there are multiple parts, what are within

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those parts?

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Speaker 3: Yeah, well this is a little more complex. So what

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I would say is to go into this domain, it

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helps to really understand Orthodox Christology. And Orthodox Christology is

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something that is not easy because it's formulated over many

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ecumenical councils, so you actually have to get up into

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like the Sixth Council before you get a kind of

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01:30:24,079 --> 01:30:28,279
a crystallized total picture of Christology. But there are places

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01:30:28,319 --> 01:30:30,840
that you can kind of start and get the overview.

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01:30:31,279 --> 01:30:36,039
So we do believe in a kind of a trichotomy body, soul,

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01:30:36,239 --> 01:30:39,079
and spirit, and for us that's the news or the heart,

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01:30:39,680 --> 01:30:42,640
but that wouldn't translate into all these sort of arbitrary

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01:30:42,680 --> 01:30:46,319
categories that you're saying Watchman Knee has about the makeup

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01:30:46,359 --> 01:30:48,880
of the person. So what I would say is, if

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you were wanting to start, I would begin with John

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01:30:51,840 --> 01:30:54,680
Damascus's book on the Orthodox Faith. I have a lecture

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01:30:54,680 --> 01:30:58,239
series where I work through that whole book and he

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01:30:58,359 --> 01:31:01,119
will give you more of a basic kind of outline

1513
01:31:01,119 --> 01:31:06,439
of Orthodox anthropology within that systematic theology, and then as

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01:31:06,479 --> 01:31:08,439
you get a little bit deeper, you can get into

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01:31:09,159 --> 01:31:11,520
what the Orthodox doctrine or the news is. But I

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01:31:11,520 --> 01:31:13,880
wouldn't worry too much about that if you're new to

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01:31:13,920 --> 01:31:16,279
this stuff. I would focus on kind of learning the

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01:31:16,319 --> 01:31:20,439
basics of you know, Orthodox systematic theology from a book

1519
01:31:20,479 --> 01:31:23,680
like Palma Zinsky's book Orthodox Dogmatics, and maybe read that

1520
01:31:23,760 --> 01:31:26,880
along with John Damascus, Saint John Mascus is on the

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Orthodox faith, and then maybe then kind of branch into

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01:31:31,199 --> 01:31:34,479
Saint Maximus the Confessor, who will go deeper into what

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01:31:34,520 --> 01:31:39,239
you're talking about, with specificity about what's the actual quote

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01:31:39,359 --> 01:31:42,399
parts of the soul or something like that. So just

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01:31:42,399 --> 01:31:44,439
wouldn't get too heavy into that if you're if you're

1526
01:31:44,439 --> 01:31:48,239
starting out, understand you have questions about combating Watchman need

1527
01:31:48,399 --> 01:31:51,960
but yeah, just begin with these more basic things and

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01:31:52,039 --> 01:31:54,800
with you know, something like John Damascus's works, and then

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01:31:54,840 --> 01:31:58,000
that'll come eventually. It's just I wouldn't immediately get into

1530
01:31:58,039 --> 01:32:02,880
the news doctrine. This is interesting though, that Watchman apparently

1531
01:32:04,039 --> 01:32:08,800
had a close connection to campus crusade, which is closely

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01:32:08,880 --> 01:32:12,520
connected to the Pentagon that was detailed in.

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01:32:13,960 --> 01:32:14,039
Speaker 1: F.

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01:32:14,079 --> 01:32:17,000
Speaker 3: William Ingdall's book Lost hedgem On. For the first that

1535
01:32:17,319 --> 01:32:20,880
was kind of a surprise for me. Now again, people

1536
01:32:21,560 --> 01:32:23,479
lose their minds when I start talking about this. Oh,

1537
01:32:23,560 --> 01:32:26,439
you're saying everybody in this in this campuship state is

1538
01:32:26,479 --> 01:32:28,720
and steel you no I'm not saying that. I'm saying

1539
01:32:28,760 --> 01:32:33,720
that the Pentagon, the military, the deep State, the State Department,

1540
01:32:34,199 --> 01:32:38,439
they view these institutions in these organizations as tools for

1541
01:32:38,520 --> 01:32:41,199
soft power. So it does not mean that everybody in

1542
01:32:41,239 --> 01:32:44,039
these institutions is some agent or some operative. In fact,

1543
01:32:44,359 --> 01:32:46,000
most of people in these are too stupid to even

1544
01:32:46,039 --> 01:32:47,920
know that or ever figure that out. They'll never They're

1545
01:32:47,920 --> 01:32:50,199
never going to figure out that campus crusade is a

1546
01:32:50,439 --> 01:32:53,680
military Pentagon form of seft power. They're never going to

1547
01:32:53,760 --> 01:32:57,039
understand that. So we're talking to people who very few

1548
01:32:57,039 --> 01:33:00,319
of them will actually get this. And no, we're not schizophrenic, okay,

1549
01:33:00,920 --> 01:33:03,880
Like it's a form of soft power. Look up soft power,

1550
01:33:04,039 --> 01:33:07,239
Joseph Knight. We've covered this famous essay, this famous work

1551
01:33:07,840 --> 01:33:11,359
from him. It's twenty years old, thirty years old. But

1552
01:33:12,479 --> 01:33:16,359
it's not surprising though that Watchman NI had this relationship

1553
01:33:16,399 --> 01:33:19,880
because things are beginning to make sense. And by the way,

1554
01:33:19,920 --> 01:33:24,640
this actually ties into Peter Gilquist and the Evangelical Orthodox Church, which,

1555
01:33:24,640 --> 01:33:28,159
if you don't know, was the early phase of people

1556
01:33:28,199 --> 01:33:31,279
converting to Orthodoxy that came in under the Antiochians back

1557
01:33:31,279 --> 01:33:37,239
in the day in the early eighties. But Watchman Ni.

1558
01:33:39,199 --> 01:33:42,399
I don't. I haven't looked into this, but my first

1559
01:33:42,720 --> 01:33:50,760
inclination is this is probably a Western intelligence utilized influence

1560
01:33:50,840 --> 01:33:54,199
operation in China. Now that doesn't mean that the Chinese

1561
01:33:54,199 --> 01:33:56,960
government is good, because I'm saying that this is happening.

1562
01:33:56,960 --> 01:33:59,760
This is just the reality of geopolitics. And as we

1563
01:33:59,840 --> 01:34:02,399
pointed out for many years, which no one else points out,

1564
01:34:02,439 --> 01:34:04,600
we're literally one of the only channels out here that

1565
01:34:04,680 --> 01:34:07,159
talks about this and points this out. Shout out to

1566
01:34:07,239 --> 01:34:09,760
Rachel for writing a really excellent essay some years ago

1567
01:34:09,880 --> 01:34:13,279
about NGO's think tanks and foundations trying to influence and

1568
01:34:13,359 --> 01:34:17,840
change religion. But we've also highlighted the intelligence apparatus's use

1569
01:34:17,920 --> 01:34:21,479
of missionaries for many, many years, especially throughout the Cold War,

1570
01:34:21,840 --> 01:34:27,279
but even way earlier than the Cold War. My inclination,

1571
01:34:27,439 --> 01:34:34,399
as I see that's probably what's going on here because Waschman.

1572
01:34:34,560 --> 01:34:38,479
Nie was persecuted and opposed communism in China. And you

1573
01:34:38,479 --> 01:34:40,640
guys know, I'm not pro communist. I'm just telling you

1574
01:34:40,720 --> 01:34:43,720
the reality of the situation that from the vantage point

1575
01:34:43,720 --> 01:34:46,720
of the CIA in the State Department, they would see

1576
01:34:46,720 --> 01:34:50,039
this as a very useful tool of soft power, or

1577
01:34:50,079 --> 01:34:54,680
perhaps even covert espionage, right, missionaries that make great spies.

1578
01:34:55,800 --> 01:34:59,920
That's probably what's going on here. And here's the wor

1579
01:35:00,000 --> 01:35:02,079
worst part about this. The worst part is not even

1580
01:35:02,279 --> 01:35:05,399
what's watchman me working for the OSS or CIA. No,

1581
01:35:05,479 --> 01:35:07,199
that's not even the worst part. The worst part is that,

1582
01:35:07,319 --> 01:35:10,199
like this guy that called endpointed out, these things can

1583
01:35:10,319 --> 01:35:15,319
very easily transition into being cults. So I've never heard

1584
01:35:15,359 --> 01:35:19,159
of this organization. The local churches is very By the way,

1585
01:35:19,199 --> 01:35:21,079
have you noticed that lately? We've had a lot of guys.

1586
01:35:21,079 --> 01:35:23,159
But basically every time I do a stream, somebody calls

1587
01:35:23,199 --> 01:35:25,760
in who was in a cult? Which is good. That

1588
01:35:25,800 --> 01:35:31,520
means people are leaving these idiotic, crazy cults. But it's

1589
01:35:31,600 --> 01:35:34,079
just like every day there's like, what is this cult?

1590
01:35:34,119 --> 01:35:36,039
What did this is crazy? What is this one heard?

1591
01:35:36,079 --> 01:35:42,039
I never heard of this? So this one, though, is dispensationalists.

1592
01:35:42,079 --> 01:35:49,119
That's crazy, A dispensationalist local church's cult. And what let's

1593
01:35:49,119 --> 01:35:53,000
see what the connection is to Peter Gilquist and the

1594
01:35:53,399 --> 01:35:57,199
Orthodox Evangelical Orthodox Church, which was a made up thing.

1595
01:35:57,279 --> 01:35:58,920
It's kind of like this was like kind of like

1596
01:35:59,000 --> 01:36:02,960
Doug Wilson back in the day where they're like moving

1597
01:36:03,079 --> 01:36:07,199
gradually towards Patristic stuff, but they still have all this

1598
01:36:07,279 --> 01:36:14,800
evangelical stuff going on. And then eventually they were received

1599
01:36:14,880 --> 01:36:19,680
under the Antiochians, and they became the big church down

1600
01:36:19,720 --> 01:36:22,319
in Nashville, the one that I first visited back in

1601
01:36:22,359 --> 01:36:27,960
two thousand and seven eight sat Ignatius in Franklin, Tennessee,

1602
01:36:27,960 --> 01:36:34,640
outside Nashville. But let's see what this connection is. In

1603
01:36:34,720 --> 01:36:38,000
nineteen sixty nine, Campus Crusade lot launched what would become

1604
01:36:38,359 --> 01:36:43,119
Christian World Liberation Front at Berkeley. I guarantee you that's

1605
01:36:43,159 --> 01:36:48,560
a World Anti Communist League CIA State Department thing. In

1606
01:36:48,600 --> 01:36:51,880
an attempt to reach young people in the counterculture. Jack Sparks,

1607
01:36:51,920 --> 01:36:56,399
who was a former stats professor at Penn State and

1608
01:36:56,479 --> 01:36:59,600
a Campus Crusade staff member, became the dominant figure in

1609
01:37:00,119 --> 01:37:05,359
CWLF throughout the nineteen seventies. Sparks and Braun, who knew

1610
01:37:05,359 --> 01:37:08,319
each other through the CCC, gave talks at the CWLF

1611
01:37:08,600 --> 01:37:14,479
gatherings against witness lee in the local churches to stem

1612
01:37:14,479 --> 01:37:20,039
the loss of the members to that local church in Berkeley. Braun,

1613
01:37:20,039 --> 01:37:22,560
who had a bitter split with Gene Edwards, left this

1614
01:37:22,680 --> 01:37:27,199
group and joined with Sparks and the other former Crusade

1615
01:37:27,279 --> 01:37:33,199
leaders to establish New Covenant Apostolic Order where with themselves

1616
01:37:33,279 --> 01:37:37,199
as the new Apostles. Oh my gosh. In nineteen seventy nine,

1617
01:37:37,279 --> 01:37:43,079
six of these original seven New Covenant Appostolic Order apostles

1618
01:37:43,720 --> 01:37:48,479
appointed themselves bishops of the newly formed Evangelical Orthodox Church.

1619
01:37:49,279 --> 01:37:51,159
Isn't this funny too? Because it's kind of the exact

1620
01:37:51,159 --> 01:37:54,920
same progress and movement that we've seen people like Doug

1621
01:37:54,960 --> 01:37:57,439
Wilson and James Jordan do, where they move more and

1622
01:37:57,439 --> 01:38:02,199
more towards a kind of high Church Anglican Is type position,

1623
01:38:02,319 --> 01:38:04,199
and then they just could sort of create, oh, where

1624
01:38:04,239 --> 01:38:07,439
this where the actual new Apostolic Church, the new Apostolic

1625
01:38:07,479 --> 01:38:11,640
TALC Church. This is crazy, but I will give I

1626
01:38:11,640 --> 01:38:14,359
mean props to the Evangelic Orthodox Church for at least

1627
01:38:14,399 --> 01:38:16,920
recognizing that this was silly and eventually just saying, okay,

1628
01:38:16,920 --> 01:38:21,359
we got to become Orthodox. In nineteen seventy four, they

1629
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founded a subsidiary cult counter cult ministry called Spiritual Counterfeit Project.

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01:38:29,920 --> 01:38:34,560
This is confusing, blah blah blah. In nineteen seventy six,

1631
01:38:34,600 --> 01:38:38,119
Peter Gilquist, who's the famous convert to Orthodox, he presiding

1632
01:38:38,159 --> 01:38:41,079
in Sao became the head of Thomas Nelson Publishers, also

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01:38:41,199 --> 01:38:48,439
in Nashville, the Bible publisher. The first book was Mind

1634
01:38:48,520 --> 01:38:57,279
Benders by Jack Sparks. They blamed Watchman Nee and Witness Lee. Okay,

1635
01:38:57,359 --> 01:39:00,640
is this who is Witness Lee? I'm confused? No, is

1636
01:39:00,680 --> 01:39:06,640
this the mystic the dispensational mystic? I think this is

1637
01:39:06,680 --> 01:39:15,840
the mystic guy? Yes, Plymouth Brethren. Wow, this is crazy. Okay,

1638
01:39:15,880 --> 01:39:21,479
so Witness Lee. These Chinese dudes are just like taking

1639
01:39:22,600 --> 01:39:29,239
the Watchmen and witness Is that how Chinese names work?

1640
01:39:29,319 --> 01:39:34,479
Like you just name yourself after like your function. My

1641
01:39:34,640 --> 01:39:40,600
name is YouTuber YouTuber dire. Just name yourself your function. Uh?

1642
01:39:41,039 --> 01:39:57,359
Where are we at? This is Jonestown responding to the

1643
01:39:57,399 --> 01:40:01,520
demand for counter cult publications. After Jones Town, the books

1644
01:40:01,520 --> 01:40:06,680
were published. Blah blah blah. Innervarsity Press published the book next.

1645
01:40:07,960 --> 01:40:11,800
All right, I'm confused. How are we getting to the

1646
01:40:12,279 --> 01:40:15,399
cult out of all this legal stuff? Where's the cult?

1647
01:40:18,680 --> 01:40:22,119
Long story short? Just avoid all this evangelical nonsense, Like

1648
01:40:22,159 --> 01:40:29,560
what even is all this stuff? Watch a nonsense? Now

1649
01:40:29,600 --> 01:40:33,920
we're getting to Christian Research Institute. What this is Hank

1650
01:40:33,960 --> 01:40:34,720
Cannigraf stuff?

1651
01:40:34,760 --> 01:40:35,000
Speaker 14: Right?

1652
01:40:36,439 --> 01:40:43,800
Speaker 3: Yeah? So now all the evangelical anti cult people are

1653
01:40:43,880 --> 01:41:04,479
fighting with the Watchman Knee spinoff cult deification. So witness

1654
01:41:04,600 --> 01:41:09,319
Lee began to use the term deification. That's interesting. He

1655
01:41:09,399 --> 01:41:16,520
got this from Ethanacious. By the way, you know this

1656
01:41:16,840 --> 01:41:19,680
has happened with Francis Chan too, right, Francis Chan has

1657
01:41:19,720 --> 01:41:22,399
like suddenly decided he's his own made up Orthodox thing.

1658
01:41:22,840 --> 01:41:27,520
This is a weird thing that like Protestant Evangelical people

1659
01:41:27,880 --> 01:41:30,359
end up doing where they like, they won't become Orthodox,

1660
01:41:30,600 --> 01:41:33,800
they just move more and more to kind of Orthodox

1661
01:41:34,760 --> 01:41:41,359
and then create their own thing. Right, Like Francis Chan

1662
01:41:42,920 --> 01:41:45,079
is saying, oh, I believe in the real presence now,

1663
01:41:46,319 --> 01:41:48,760
and like as if you just kind of do it

1664
01:41:49,239 --> 01:41:51,600
and it happens and it has nothing to do with

1665
01:41:51,640 --> 01:41:59,720
like Apostolic succession. It's like what. But also people overlook that,

1666
01:42:00,119 --> 01:42:02,600
I mean a lot of this stuff isn't even.

1667
01:42:05,359 --> 01:42:10,039
Speaker 9: Francis Chen see by Willis's and the Eucharist, Hello to

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01:42:10,039 --> 01:42:11,760
you friends, I'm Joseph de nich.

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01:42:12,000 --> 01:42:14,279
Speaker 3: To fellowship and the Lord's Supper.

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01:42:14,520 --> 01:42:16,760
Speaker 1: They devoted themselves.

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01:42:17,479 --> 01:42:19,840
Speaker 3: Again, a lot of people just don't even understand the

1672
01:42:19,840 --> 01:42:25,640
angle of the Pentagon and the State Department having direct

1673
01:42:25,680 --> 01:42:31,119
connections and relationships with a lot of these giant evangelical organizations, corporations,

1674
01:42:31,640 --> 01:42:35,119
and movements, and I would say that's definitely probably what's

1675
01:42:35,159 --> 01:42:39,520
going on here. Was this a monitored Do you want

1676
01:42:39,520 --> 01:42:42,720
to come back and mention any of this stuff? Because

1677
01:42:42,720 --> 01:42:44,920
this is a fascinating rabbit hole. I haven't really gone down.

1678
01:42:48,119 --> 01:42:58,720
I mute. I'm mute, man, what's up? Help us out here?

1679
01:42:59,239 --> 01:43:02,159
Monitor immune? You're the guy in this cult?

1680
01:43:02,239 --> 01:43:02,359
Speaker 14: Right?

1681
01:43:04,840 --> 01:43:19,840
Speaker 3: Can you hear me? Yo? I guess you can't hear me? Parhesia.

1682
01:43:21,000 --> 01:43:31,119
Is this Benny Wills, slowboy, whitebird, two dollars raid from hotel?

1683
01:43:32,039 --> 01:43:35,399
Shout out to everybody from hotel Parhesia. What's up?

1684
01:43:35,439 --> 01:43:35,520
Speaker 23: Man?

1685
01:43:35,560 --> 01:43:36,000
Speaker 3: You want to talk?

1686
01:43:36,039 --> 01:43:39,600
Speaker 1: I'm you, hey, man, how are you?

1687
01:43:40,439 --> 01:43:41,359
Speaker 3: I've got a yeah.

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01:43:45,960 --> 01:43:48,880
Speaker 36: It's not really a debate, it's more of a question,

1689
01:43:49,239 --> 01:43:52,960
I guess, sort of from your perspective as a Christian.

1690
01:43:53,479 --> 01:43:56,279
So I'm someone who's sort of in opposition to the

1691
01:43:56,319 --> 01:43:58,000
Abrahamic religions and.

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01:43:58,439 --> 01:44:00,520
Speaker 1: In the sphees that I mixing.

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01:44:01,439 --> 01:44:05,640
Speaker 36: The largest pushback that we receive is not so much

1694
01:44:05,720 --> 01:44:10,880
about theology. It's about ethnicity of Jesus. And I find

1695
01:44:10,920 --> 01:44:16,119
that sort of pretty odd as someone who's semi familiar

1696
01:44:16,199 --> 01:44:19,640
with the texts that this is the angle that sort

1697
01:44:19,640 --> 01:44:22,039
of being approached from. And I just sort of wondered

1698
01:44:22,079 --> 01:44:23,800
if you had a little bit of insight as to

1699
01:44:24,039 --> 01:44:25,880
why you think that that might be like a bit

1700
01:44:25,920 --> 01:44:27,439
of a resurgence at the moment.

1701
01:44:27,800 --> 01:44:28,680
Speaker 1: Does that make sense?

1702
01:44:28,960 --> 01:44:31,439
Speaker 3: Who's I don't understand what who's pushing back on this?

1703
01:44:31,560 --> 01:44:34,800
What are you talking about? Sorry?

1704
01:44:35,359 --> 01:44:42,960
Speaker 36: The Abrahamic religions I'm in opposition to. And when I

1705
01:44:43,039 --> 01:44:48,199
get into discussion about these sorts of topics, it's not

1706
01:44:48,279 --> 01:44:52,920
so much the actual scripture that is being argued about.

1707
01:44:53,880 --> 01:44:58,840
The Apologists generally come from an angle of this is

1708
01:44:58,920 --> 01:45:06,399
a ethnically European ideology and it's an ancestral faith, which

1709
01:45:06,479 --> 01:45:09,880
I sort of think is very clearly not not the case.

1710
01:45:10,600 --> 01:45:13,880
And I thought, there's someone who's in the Christian world

1711
01:45:14,159 --> 01:45:15,199
a bit more than I am.

1712
01:45:16,520 --> 01:45:17,119
Speaker 1: Have you got anything.

1713
01:45:17,840 --> 01:45:20,159
Speaker 3: I've never heard anybody. I've never heard anybody in the

1714
01:45:20,239 --> 01:45:24,159
Orthodox Church think that Christianity is a European ethnic religion.

1715
01:45:25,399 --> 01:45:26,199
I've never heard that.

1716
01:45:28,199 --> 01:45:31,359
Speaker 36: It's actually a surprisingly.

1717
01:45:32,079 --> 01:45:33,520
Speaker 7: Common thing.

1718
01:45:34,960 --> 01:45:40,279
Speaker 36: That the have you heard of the White Jesus theory?

1719
01:45:40,840 --> 01:45:46,119
Speaker 3: I mean, I know that there's Christian identity groups, and

1720
01:45:46,119 --> 01:45:51,680
there's British Israelite groups, but they're very tiny fraction movements.

1721
01:45:51,720 --> 01:45:54,800
I mean, maybe.

1722
01:45:57,800 --> 01:45:59,720
Speaker 1: It's fine if if you're not sort of familiar with it.

1723
01:45:59,760 --> 01:46:01,720
Speaker 36: I just thought, you know, you're more in that world

1724
01:46:01,800 --> 01:46:04,119
sort than I am, and I thought, maybe this is

1725
01:46:04,159 --> 01:46:06,760
something that you're maybe semi familiar with and might be

1726
01:46:06,800 --> 01:46:08,520
able to shed a little bit of light.

1727
01:46:09,239 --> 01:46:10,239
Speaker 1: On that for me.

1728
01:46:11,359 --> 01:46:12,279
Speaker 36: But it's perfectly fine.

1729
01:46:12,319 --> 01:46:13,039
Speaker 3: You know, you can't be.

1730
01:46:13,000 --> 01:46:15,680
Speaker 36: Over it every topic obviously, so I just thought, you know,

1731
01:46:15,760 --> 01:46:18,039
your knowledge, will you do this day in day out?

1732
01:46:18,159 --> 01:46:21,279
Speaker 3: Right? So, I mean, Jesus is a descendant of Abraham

1733
01:46:21,319 --> 01:46:24,479
and his senate of David to fulfill the promises, so

1734
01:46:24,640 --> 01:46:28,199
obviously he's a Hebrew person. He's not a white European person.

1735
01:46:29,439 --> 01:46:33,000
But I've never heard anybody who isn't like just crazy

1736
01:46:33,039 --> 01:46:36,199
or in a cult think that Jesus was a white European.

1737
01:46:36,279 --> 01:46:37,359
That's kind of retarded.

1738
01:46:39,760 --> 01:46:44,000
Speaker 36: Yeah, that's sort of my understanding of it too, because again,

1739
01:46:45,159 --> 01:46:48,399
it was a requirement of the prophecy fulfillment to be

1740
01:46:48,479 --> 01:46:51,960
from that direct line, and to me at least, it's

1741
01:46:52,000 --> 01:46:55,479
sort of quite explicit about that and not even really

1742
01:46:55,720 --> 01:46:58,600
leading room for interpretation or whatnot.

1743
01:46:58,600 --> 01:46:59,680
Speaker 7: So that's kind of how I.

1744
01:47:00,119 --> 01:47:01,920
Speaker 3: Well, I think there is a there is a rise

1745
01:47:01,960 --> 01:47:05,479
in the resurgence of like neopagan movements, and you know,

1746
01:47:05,560 --> 01:47:10,359
the European Right, the European you know, dissident right, the

1747
01:47:10,399 --> 01:47:12,319
New Right, Like a lot of these movements might be

1748
01:47:12,399 --> 01:47:16,319
tempted with trying to, you know, claim that Jesus was

1749
01:47:16,319 --> 01:47:18,920
some sort of a you know, white European or they

1750
01:47:19,000 --> 01:47:22,840
might be delving into British Israelite stuff. But I mean, again,

1751
01:47:22,960 --> 01:47:27,039
it's it's very minor numbers of people, don't I can't

1752
01:47:27,079 --> 01:47:31,960
imagine that really, I mean, I mean, the dominant forms

1753
01:47:32,000 --> 01:47:37,079
of Protestant Catholic Christianity in Europe definitely wouldn't hold to that.

1754
01:47:37,680 --> 01:47:40,279
So it would have to be kind of minority movements.

1755
01:47:40,880 --> 01:47:44,399
Monitor what's up. Maybe there's like a reaction against black

1756
01:47:44,439 --> 01:47:46,640
Hebrew Israelites or something like that. I don't know what's up.

1757
01:47:46,680 --> 01:47:54,399
Speaker 37: Monitor, Hey, I was just wondering if you'd ever run

1758
01:47:54,439 --> 01:47:58,319
across any evidence that the Peace Corps was like CIA

1759
01:47:58,359 --> 01:48:00,760
and filtrated because.

1760
01:48:00,520 --> 01:48:05,600
Speaker 3: They're well, they have a supposed statement that if you

1761
01:48:05,640 --> 01:48:07,640
go into the CIA, they will not hire you in

1762
01:48:07,680 --> 01:48:09,520
the Peace Corps and you're not supposed to go from

1763
01:48:09,520 --> 01:48:12,239
the Peace Corps to the CIA, but that Andrew Bustamante

1764
01:48:12,279 --> 01:48:14,880
guy says, well, after I spent several years in the

1765
01:48:14,880 --> 01:48:18,239
Peace Corps, immediately went into the CIA. So obviously that

1766
01:48:18,319 --> 01:48:21,600
can be bypassed, even if on the vantage point part

1767
01:48:21,600 --> 01:48:23,720
of the of the the Peace Corps they don't want

1768
01:48:23,720 --> 01:48:26,640
people from the CIA. I feel sure that at some

1769
01:48:26,760 --> 01:48:30,039
point there have been I'm sure people in the CIA

1770
01:48:30,039 --> 01:48:30,840
in the Peace Corps.

1771
01:48:32,479 --> 01:48:34,479
Speaker 37: Yeah, I guess I was just wondering if you're aware

1772
01:48:34,520 --> 01:48:37,640
of any like sort of relatively well.

1773
01:48:37,399 --> 01:48:42,359
Speaker 3: Known Well, and Andrew Bustamante is an example of a

1774
01:48:42,359 --> 01:48:44,439
person who was in the Peace Corps and then violated

1775
01:48:44,439 --> 01:48:46,680
the promise to not go into the CIA and it

1776
01:48:46,800 --> 01:48:48,000
directly went into the CIA after.

1777
01:48:48,760 --> 01:48:51,199
Speaker 37: Yeah, I guess, I don't mean like just personnel, but

1778
01:48:51,319 --> 01:48:55,079
like any known operations or so, Yeah.

1779
01:48:55,000 --> 01:48:58,880
Speaker 3: I don't know. I wouldn't be surprised, but I mean

1780
01:48:58,920 --> 01:49:01,199
I think red red Cross is another class that you know,

1781
01:49:01,319 --> 01:49:05,399
CIA covered to Okay, the USA, I d was used

1782
01:49:05,439 --> 01:49:08,079
as well for many years.

1783
01:49:07,600 --> 01:49:09,880
Speaker 37: Because I read that too, that it was supposed to

1784
01:49:09,920 --> 01:49:12,800
be like you know, streamed to not have people in

1785
01:49:12,840 --> 01:49:14,960
the CIA, and I know, I think it was created

1786
01:49:14,960 --> 01:49:18,479
by JFK. It was like very anti CIA, obviously so,

1787
01:49:18,600 --> 01:49:21,119
but but it seemed like like, you know, they're sending

1788
01:49:21,119 --> 01:49:23,560
a bunch of Americans to foreign countries under the guys.

1789
01:49:23,800 --> 01:49:26,720
Speaker 3: Yeah, I'm not sure actually by that JFK was actually

1790
01:49:26,720 --> 01:49:29,600
anti CA, because if you read quickly, he has a

1791
01:49:29,600 --> 01:49:33,000
whole section where he talks about that during that time,

1792
01:49:33,199 --> 01:49:37,399
what they started doing was trying to It was actually

1793
01:49:37,439 --> 01:49:39,520
under JFK that they started trying to do a lot

1794
01:49:39,560 --> 01:49:43,319
of these CIA things under the cover of NGO's think

1795
01:49:43,399 --> 01:49:48,239
tanks and foundations, So that actually began not under Reagan,

1796
01:49:48,279 --> 01:49:50,800
but under JFK. It really ramped up under Reagan though.

1797
01:49:51,680 --> 01:49:56,159
Speaker 37: Okay, and then there's another random, unrelated question. I've never

1798
01:49:56,239 --> 01:49:58,920
heard you talk about like the Shroud, but I'm wondering

1799
01:49:59,000 --> 01:50:00,119
what you're given.

1800
01:49:59,880 --> 01:50:00,720
Speaker 1: A on that.

1801
01:50:00,800 --> 01:50:04,720
Speaker 3: I've never found it very convincing. I don't care. If

1802
01:50:04,760 --> 01:50:06,479
you want to believe in the Shrowd, that's up to you.

1803
01:50:06,520 --> 01:50:10,319
I've been to the Shroud. You know, Orthodox people are

1804
01:50:10,319 --> 01:50:11,319
free to believe in it.

1805
01:50:14,000 --> 01:50:17,199
Speaker 5: Why don't you find it convincing to me?

1806
01:50:17,279 --> 01:50:20,760
Speaker 3: It's just an odd line of argument, like like that's like,

1807
01:50:21,439 --> 01:50:23,279
first of all, I don't understand what it would I mean,

1808
01:50:23,279 --> 01:50:25,880
I believe in relics, but I don't understand what this

1809
01:50:25,920 --> 01:50:30,920
would prove that a baron or duke in the eleven

1810
01:50:31,000 --> 01:50:36,000
hundreds found a cloth and there's a bearded dude, And

1811
01:50:36,039 --> 01:50:38,760
I mean, it's just to me, it's a very it's

1812
01:50:38,760 --> 01:50:44,359
a whole bunch of leaps of non sequiturs and it's

1813
01:50:44,399 --> 01:50:46,079
just a It's just to me, it's just a silly

1814
01:50:46,119 --> 01:50:51,319
line of like evidentials argumentation, like if I'm gonna believe Christianity,

1815
01:50:51,800 --> 01:50:54,479
it's not gonna be because of some French duke of

1816
01:50:54,479 --> 01:50:56,680
the eleven hundreds claiming that he found a cloth. To me,

1817
01:50:56,720 --> 01:51:04,560
it just seems like a really an odd line of

1818
01:51:04,720 --> 01:51:08,920
argumentation that we're like to get to. Well, that bearded

1819
01:51:09,079 --> 01:51:11,199
has got to be Jesus, And I mean, I just

1820
01:51:11,520 --> 01:51:17,000
to me, I don't get it. You know, what's what

1821
01:51:17,039 --> 01:51:22,000
does Jesus say? Uh? Unbelieving generations seeks these kinds of

1822
01:51:22,039 --> 01:51:29,600
signs and wonders like what's up, man, m what's up? Jay?

1823
01:51:30,399 --> 01:51:34,159
Speaker 30: I was watching your video on my journey to Orthodoxy.

1824
01:51:34,720 --> 01:51:38,439
I found it pretty fascinating. I'm only twenty and I'm

1825
01:51:38,640 --> 01:51:39,199
I'm kind of.

1826
01:51:39,159 --> 01:51:40,399
Speaker 7: On the same track right now.

1827
01:51:40,439 --> 01:51:43,119
Speaker 1: But I've been reading a lot.

1828
01:51:42,960 --> 01:51:46,439
Speaker 30: Of Cobbalistic works, and I know that you read those

1829
01:51:46,479 --> 01:51:49,680
as well before your journey to Orthodoxy, and I was

1830
01:51:49,720 --> 01:51:53,000
just wondering what caused you to you know, straight away

1831
01:51:53,039 --> 01:51:53,359
from that.

1832
01:51:54,199 --> 01:51:57,479
Speaker 3: I didn't find combolism to be very enlightening because, as

1833
01:51:57,600 --> 01:52:03,319
Sholam says, it's kind of repurposed in retooled gnosticism and neoplatonism.

1834
01:52:03,479 --> 01:52:05,479
So if you were going to go that route, you

1835
01:52:05,560 --> 01:52:09,479
might as well just adopt neoplatonism. But neoplatonism just ends

1836
01:52:09,520 --> 01:52:14,399
up being like perennialism, and you know, maybe like uh,

1837
01:52:15,760 --> 01:52:19,840
you know, Gannon or shoe On and all the traditionalists school.

1838
01:52:20,279 --> 01:52:22,439
So I did I mean, at the end of the day,

1839
01:52:22,800 --> 01:52:24,600
and I read a bunch of the traditionalists, like if

1840
01:52:24,600 --> 01:52:28,520
I'm reading Julia s Evla and he's basically just promoting like,

1841
01:52:28,640 --> 01:52:31,479
you know, butt stuff, It's like, what was the point

1842
01:52:31,479 --> 01:52:33,720
of all of this? Like, so it seems like everything

1843
01:52:33,760 --> 01:52:34,680
ends in butt stuff?

1844
01:52:34,760 --> 01:52:40,279
Speaker 30: So, uh, you don't think that like there's any decodification

1845
01:52:40,680 --> 01:52:47,520
of some things in the Bible through Cobbola. No, Okay,

1846
01:52:48,399 --> 01:52:50,119
all right, Well that's really all I wanted to ask

1847
01:52:50,159 --> 01:52:52,359
because I just didn't see why you left.

1848
01:52:52,199 --> 01:52:57,920
Speaker 3: In the video, but I mean the the type of

1849
01:52:58,000 --> 01:53:01,359
typology that some Cobbalists do, who just ends up being

1850
01:53:01,640 --> 01:53:04,439
kind of the typology that the Church fathers do, but

1851
01:53:04,479 --> 01:53:08,199
then it kind of goes crazy. It points to like origins,

1852
01:53:08,239 --> 01:53:13,960
you know, over over typicization of everything. So yeah, Cabala

1853
01:53:14,039 --> 01:53:29,920
is faking. Kay Spider, what's up? Yeah, what's on your mind?

1854
01:53:31,840 --> 01:53:33,960
Speaker 38: First of all, I just want to say thanks for

1855
01:53:34,279 --> 01:53:38,520
bringing me closer to worthodoxy, and I appreciate what you're

1856
01:53:38,520 --> 01:53:39,520
doing with your content.

1857
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Speaker 7: I wanted to ask.

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Speaker 5: I've kind of been like looking into.

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Speaker 38: Israel and what it's been doing more recently, and I've

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been looking in the history of it too, and I

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know that there were operations running parallel with like the

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LA and contrast with the CIA and massade they were

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doing or low operations. But I was wondering if you

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think there's like some type of deeper link and that

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maybe they use that to help fund their defense force

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because it grew a lot during that same time, so

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it seems like.

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Speaker 1: There's a link.

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Speaker 3: Did Israel receive cover funding from Iran contra is what

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you're saying?

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Speaker 38: Yeah, but also maybe from the CIA in order to

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help them grow their defense force at the time.

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Speaker 3: I would assume that probably, but I don't remember off

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the top of my head. I mean Victor Ostrowski might

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mention Iran contra. I can't remember, but I mean you

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could argue that big. I mean, we give Israel all

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kinds of money, so I would imagine probably, but I

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don't off the top of my head, I'm not sure. Okay, Tyodora,

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what's up, man? Yeah, people don't use I'm trying to remember.

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Let's see, I was reading something recently that mentioned Iran contra.

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It wasn't Max Blumandal. I don't think it was Victor Ostrowski,

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it wasn't Whitney Webb. Looking at my books up there,

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I don't remember what it was, but I'm sure it

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is real benefited somehow. What's up, man, Teodor, I'm you.

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Richard Grove probably would have a good source on that.

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He knows a lot about that stuff. Theodore, what's up,

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I'm you. I just don't understand the waiting in line

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to not talks really weird.

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Speaker 1: Do we have any more people waiting line that don't

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want to talk.

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Speaker 3: I'm only taking people that will not talk rest in

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the shade. What's up man? By the way, you guys

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like today's thumbnail, I always try to get crazy and

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like fully skipped. So with the thumbnails, we got Mohammed

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a Job, who, by the way, was found to be

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lying in court. This cracked me up. He took Douglas

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Murray to court and against the spectator and lost the

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case because the judge found Muhammed a Job to be

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a massive liar because for whatever reason, a Jab called

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everyone Hindu, Net and Yahoo, Tommy Robinson, Douglas Murray are

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all Hindu.

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Speaker 4: It's even better, the judge universally ruled that not only

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was Hajab a liar, but all is well.

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Speaker 3: The funniest part was that the judge. The judge said

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he found it annoying that Muhammed a Job sat in

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the back and just ate donuts. I'm not joking, this

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is what the judge said, and uh licked the sugar

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from his fingers. I'm not joking. One of the art that,

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like one of the articles actually has that in there.

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I'm trying to find if it was in here. Creepy,

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So he just back basically sat in the courtroom eating donuts,

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and the judge found this to be a very odd

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line of defense. And somebody, I don't know if there

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is true, but somebody said that now he's trying to

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do an MMA event to raise money to pay the bill.

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I'm not joking. No to pay he owes like six

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hundred pounds, six hundred thousand pounds.

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Speaker 8: It sounds like he has just uttered disregard for the

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situation that he was in and he didn't even believe

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anything was gonna happen.

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Speaker 3: Or it's really weird. I don't, I don't, I don't

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really understand. I mean, I don't know what's going on.

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It's just weird, Like what was he thinking?

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Speaker 8: Eating a donut sounds like chewing gum or whistling or

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something like that.

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Speaker 5: But to the end degree.

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Speaker 8: But this bit about raising money to pay legal fees

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with some phony MMA event, I think he needs friends

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to help him do that.

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Speaker 3: So, you know, and a lot of people were asking

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how many donuts did he actually eat? We want to

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know the number of donuts that Muhammad jab was chomping

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on and did he actually lick his fingers? Okay, what's

1934
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on your line? Man?

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Speaker 8: I wanted to ask you about the apostolic succession, and

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I wanted to know, how do you know that it's

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a reliable way of conveying the true teaching, so to speak?

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How do we know that the Apostles that generation and

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then the succeeding generations. How do we know that essentially

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what they passed on to the following generations is what

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Jesus or the Apostles or the next generation after them taught.

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Speaker 3: Well, I think we would cross reference it with scripture

1943
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and divine revelation, which promised that the Holy Spirit would

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be with the church to lead into guide it, and

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that he would never leave us or forsake us, and

1946
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that he would quote guide us into all truths. And

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also Paul's epistles that that's what Paul himself, when he

1948
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talks to Timothy, says should be the mode of transmission.

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So he tells Timothy to lay hands on others after him,

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just like Paul laid hands on Timothy. So I think

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there is a faith commitment involved in trusting that what

1952
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we see in divine Scripture was passed down. But also

1953
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we can go read the first second third century Church

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fathers and see that they did in fact teach what

1955
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Scripture teaches and they did teach a universally consistent doctrine.

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Speaker 8: Okay, but it's there's probably like some deviation between what

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was taught and what was captured.

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Speaker 1: And so I'll think about.

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Speaker 3: It, right, Well, how do you know that, Like, why

1960
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can't God providentially I mean, we trust God to evidentially

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guide and keep and maintain the tradition.

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Speaker 8: Well, it's certainly possible. I mean, I'm not saying one

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way or the other happened. But if you have people

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acting with free agency, with this sudden new, hugely different religion,

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that just put religion on its.

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Speaker 3: Head, why is it hugely different?

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Speaker 1: It's not.

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Speaker 3: First of all, it's not hugely different.

1969
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Speaker 1: What do you mean, love that enemies and pray for.

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Speaker 3: Those who just that's in Leviticus. So that's not hugely different.

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Speaker 1: Okay.

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Speaker 8: Well, sure, when it comes to Judea compared to the

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rest of the world, it wasn't hugely different.

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Speaker 7: But the rest of the world's let's call the.

1975
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Speaker 8: World pagan or non religion. This is Christianity's foolishness. I mean,

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even today, if you go to some areas of the

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world which are even modernly developed, and you talk about

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these kind of concepts that'll look you like you're foolish.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, Paul says, the wisdom of the world is foolishness,

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and they see they see Christianity as foolishness.

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Speaker 8: Sure, so then you have this group of people mixing

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with who are not foolish, mixing with this world. Let's

1983
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say the world is Christians mixing with the world and

1984
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trying to teach them and bring them and make them

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teachers and reproducers and so on so forth.

1986
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Speaker 3: Well, you say mixing with the world, what do you

1987
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mean mixing with the world.

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Speaker 8: I mean, if Jay Dyer we're going to go to

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China or that's probably maybe it's a good example, I

1990
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don't know. But if you're going to go into the

1991
02:01:24,520 --> 02:01:26,399
Amazon rainforest and meet Christians out of.

1992
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Speaker 3: It, that I think you're not aware of the fact

1993
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that we can actually read many many people from the first, second,

1994
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and third century. Are you aware of this?

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02:01:35,560 --> 02:01:35,720
Speaker 1: Well?

1996
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Speaker 8: Sure, but how do you know what they're getting is reliable?

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Is the point they could still be wrong too?

1998
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Speaker 3: Is the idea you're not understanding what I'm saying. I'm

1999
02:01:42,640 --> 02:01:46,560
saying that they teach a unified doctrine throughout the Roman Empire,

2000
02:01:47,119 --> 02:01:49,920
which corresponds with the teaching not just of the New

2001
02:01:49,960 --> 02:01:52,159
Testament and the Apostles in the written text from the

2002
02:01:52,159 --> 02:01:56,039
first century, but also with the previous Hebrew revelation that

2003
02:01:56,199 --> 02:01:58,880
consistency shows a uniform doctrine.

2004
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Speaker 5: So everyone in the first century a. D. Was teaching

2005
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the same thing.

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Speaker 3: Again, do you not realize that we can actually read

2007
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those people?

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Speaker 1: Yeah, you're going to read them.

2009
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Speaker 3: Okay, do you know any of these people? Are you

2010
02:02:15,199 --> 02:02:16,279
aware of any of these things?

2011
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Speaker 1: Well?

2012
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Speaker 3: How about when are you aware of any of these people?

2013
02:02:20,600 --> 02:02:23,640
How about when are you aware of any of these people?

2014
02:02:25,119 --> 02:02:25,399
Speaker 5: Paul?

2015
02:02:25,920 --> 02:02:30,039
Speaker 3: No, correct, after the Apostles the first second century Christians?

2016
02:02:30,039 --> 02:02:32,600
Are you aware of them? Have you read them?

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Speaker 14: Oh?

2018
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Speaker 5: You mean the so called the church fathers and.

2019
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Speaker 1: So and so.

2020
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Speaker 3: They're so called. You don't think they existed?

2021
02:02:39,359 --> 02:02:40,560
Speaker 5: What do you mean, I don't think they existed?

2022
02:02:40,560 --> 02:02:41,840
Speaker 3: They were said so called.

2023
02:02:42,760 --> 02:02:44,119
Speaker 7: That's what they're called church fathers.

2024
02:02:44,199 --> 02:02:44,399
Speaker 30: Yeah.

2025
02:02:44,439 --> 02:02:46,920
Speaker 3: Well, usual when people say so called, it means that

2026
02:02:46,920 --> 02:02:49,319
they doubt that title or their existence.

2027
02:02:50,560 --> 02:02:52,560
Speaker 8: No, I'm not using it in a rhetorical sense or

2028
02:02:52,600 --> 02:02:53,600
an argumentative sense.

2029
02:02:53,720 --> 02:02:56,079
Speaker 7: I'm using it just in the literal districts.

2030
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Speaker 3: Okay, So if you can read those people and we

2031
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have old church fathers. Have you read those people?

2032
02:03:03,439 --> 02:03:03,960
Speaker 1: Very little?

2033
02:03:04,960 --> 02:03:07,119
Speaker 3: So how do you know whether they do or don't

2034
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teach uniform consistent doctrine?

2035
02:03:10,319 --> 02:03:11,880
Speaker 5: Well's UCBI is the church father.

2036
02:03:12,720 --> 02:03:13,840
Speaker 3: He's a historical writer.

2037
02:03:17,960 --> 02:03:18,840
Speaker 5: Is he a church father?

2038
02:03:19,039 --> 02:03:21,680
Speaker 3: Well, he's a later church father than what I'm talking about.

2039
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He's a patristic historian and writer.

2040
02:03:26,319 --> 02:03:29,039
Speaker 8: Okay, Well, if he is a church father, which I

2041
02:03:29,079 --> 02:03:32,479
think some people would say he is, I've read passages

2042
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in him.

2043
02:03:32,880 --> 02:03:35,640
Speaker 7: It's actually quite relevant to the shroud discussion.

2044
02:03:35,279 --> 02:03:35,960
Speaker 1: You're talking about.

2045
02:03:36,439 --> 02:03:37,199
Speaker 3: I'm not talking about this.

2046
02:03:37,319 --> 02:03:39,880
Speaker 8: This is on traditions, and he says these traditions are true.

2047
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Speaker 3: And can you name a church father that's three hundreds?

2048
02:03:43,880 --> 02:03:45,880
Can you name a church father in the first, first,

2049
02:03:45,920 --> 02:03:47,000
second century.

2050
02:03:46,640 --> 02:03:48,520
Speaker 5: That you're going to demonstrate to you why.

2051
02:03:48,439 --> 02:03:53,960
Speaker 3: You're demonstrating nothing but ignorance, because I Usebius is way late.

2052
02:03:54,079 --> 02:03:58,119
I'm talking about a first or can you that's way late?

2053
02:03:58,239 --> 02:04:01,319
He's not first or second century, he's three hundreds. I'm

2054
02:04:01,319 --> 02:04:03,640
talking about first and second century. Can you name one

2055
02:04:03,800 --> 02:04:07,640
that you've read that shows an inconsistency?

2056
02:04:08,680 --> 02:04:11,800
Speaker 5: I mean, is there inconsistency between uh.

2057
02:04:12,600 --> 02:04:16,199
Speaker 3: The Apostolic fathers, the post Apostolic fathers. That's what I'm

2058
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talking about.

2059
02:04:17,199 --> 02:04:19,399
Speaker 5: You know, pieces you pick up over the.

2060
02:04:19,600 --> 02:04:21,239
Speaker 3: Okay, well, name a bit of the name, a bit

2061
02:04:21,319 --> 02:04:22,560
or a piece that's inconsistent.

2062
02:04:25,159 --> 02:04:26,159
Speaker 5: Why do I need to do that?

2063
02:04:26,960 --> 02:04:30,479
Speaker 3: Because this is your argument? What do you mean? No,

2064
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it's not now you're.

2065
02:04:32,359 --> 02:04:36,520
Speaker 8: Being argument is even that the Apostles themselves got doctrine

2066
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wrong and had to be corrected.

2067
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Speaker 1: So how on earth that's not.

2068
02:04:39,560 --> 02:04:43,560
Speaker 3: What you argue. That's not what you argued. You argue exactly, no,

2069
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it isn't you qualified your argument.

2070
02:04:46,199 --> 02:04:48,960
Speaker 39: You qualified your argument. That's not what you are arguing

2071
02:04:49,000 --> 02:04:52,720
up until now. Now you're now your life that you're

2072
02:04:52,840 --> 02:04:56,159
qualifying your argument now to be about the Apostles and

2073
02:04:56,159 --> 02:04:58,039
not what the first and second century church.

2074
02:04:57,880 --> 02:05:00,840
Speaker 5: Fathers taught succession.

2075
02:05:01,119 --> 02:05:03,359
Speaker 8: You're trying to make it about what the church fathers

2076
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say so you can say that I'm ignorant.

2077
02:05:04,800 --> 02:05:09,960
Speaker 3: That's part of Apostolic succession. Shut up and let me explain.

2078
02:05:09,560 --> 02:05:13,199
Speaker 39: What I'm saying, because you're you're changing your argument.

2079
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Speaker 5: My argument is the saying that Apostolic session is.

2080
02:05:16,640 --> 02:05:20,399
Speaker 40: Unreliable, and I'm showing you that it's not unreliable because

2081
02:05:20,439 --> 02:05:24,439
the shut up the successors to the the successors to

2082
02:05:24,560 --> 02:05:27,520
the Apostles, shut up.

2083
02:05:27,520 --> 02:05:31,319
Speaker 3: Okay, you're done. That's not true. I'm showing you that

2084
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it's false because the successors to the Apostles, the successors

2085
02:05:36,439 --> 02:05:40,640
to the Apostles taught the successors to the Apostles called

2086
02:05:40,680 --> 02:05:42,760
the Apostolic fathers, taught shut.

2087
02:05:42,560 --> 02:05:43,560
Speaker 5: Up, you.

2088
02:05:45,279 --> 02:05:46,039
Speaker 7: Stop talking.

2089
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Speaker 3: They taught a uniform doctrine. All right, he's not gonna

2090
02:05:49,520 --> 02:05:51,920
he won't be He won't answer the questions because he

2091
02:05:51,960 --> 02:05:54,800
has to talk over otherwise and change his arguments. So

2092
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this is why it's a waste of time.

2093
02:05:57,239 --> 02:05:58,520
Speaker 1: Do you know what it reminds me of.

2094
02:05:59,720 --> 02:06:03,680
Speaker 5: It's like, okay, suppose this.

2095
02:06:04,399 --> 02:06:08,359
Speaker 4: I suppose the analogy is, do you want to learn something?

2096
02:06:10,000 --> 02:06:14,199
And we have a kind of normative means secular speaking,

2097
02:06:15,079 --> 02:06:21,680
and that's let's say the university, high school, college, et cetera.

2098
02:06:25,279 --> 02:06:29,079
What is so suppose that in some ways analogous to

2099
02:06:29,119 --> 02:06:33,359
apostolic session, And that really does even though let's say

2100
02:06:33,399 --> 02:06:37,479
there's imperfect things within the college system in high school,

2101
02:06:38,319 --> 02:06:43,640
it provides a means to no thinks And what's the

2102
02:06:43,680 --> 02:06:47,760
opposite position, Well, we shouldn't have any instructors at all.

2103
02:06:47,960 --> 02:06:49,520
Speaker 1: Everybody show should just be able.

2104
02:06:49,359 --> 02:06:51,800
Speaker 4: To have the Internet and do everything they want, and

2105
02:06:51,840 --> 02:06:56,199
we'll send out heart surgeons who basically educate themselves on

2106
02:06:56,279 --> 02:06:56,920
the Internet.

2107
02:06:58,960 --> 02:07:01,399
Speaker 1: I feel like this is somewhat applicable.

2108
02:07:01,720 --> 02:07:04,880
Speaker 4: First of all, apostalk secession is a historical is a

2109
02:07:05,000 --> 02:07:10,880
historic reality and biblical, as you pointed out, correct, and

2110
02:07:11,000 --> 02:07:12,960
it does preserve I mean.

2111
02:07:13,039 --> 02:07:14,479
Speaker 1: What's the antithesis of it?

2112
02:07:15,520 --> 02:07:19,039
Speaker 4: Every man for himself, right, So you're saying epistemically, that's

2113
02:07:19,039 --> 02:07:19,800
a better way.

2114
02:07:21,640 --> 02:07:23,520
Speaker 3: I actually think he was going in the direction of

2115
02:07:23,600 --> 02:07:26,359
like a higher critical point. He was going to try

2116
02:07:26,399 --> 02:07:28,920
to argue that he said he towards the end there

2117
02:07:28,960 --> 02:07:32,159
he was saying, no, the Apostles actually contradicted themselves. The

2118
02:07:32,199 --> 02:07:35,319
original question was, how do we know Apostolic succession is

2119
02:07:35,359 --> 02:07:38,079
a good way to pass down tradition. That's why we

2120
02:07:38,119 --> 02:07:40,399
go to the first and second century church fathers called

2121
02:07:40,399 --> 02:07:43,520
the post Apostolic fathers. That's not Eusebius. Eusebius is not

2122
02:07:43,600 --> 02:07:48,560
a post Apostolic father. Post Apostolic fathers is ignacious Clement

2123
02:07:51,399 --> 02:07:55,720
early Church fathers, and they're after the Apostles. And that's

2124
02:07:55,760 --> 02:07:58,560
why I'm saying that if we see them throughout the

2125
02:07:58,640 --> 02:08:02,880
Roman empire taching a consistent doctrine, that's a good indicator,

2126
02:08:03,159 --> 02:08:08,159
a good evidence that they did accurately transmit the Apostolic

2127
02:08:08,279 --> 02:08:12,079
deposit And then he said, no, no, I'm arguing that the

2128
02:08:12,119 --> 02:08:16,239
Apostles contradicted themselves. And so he added that on once

2129
02:08:16,279 --> 02:08:17,880
he saw that we were going to the second and

2130
02:08:17,960 --> 02:08:20,039
third century church fathers prior.

2131
02:08:19,760 --> 02:08:24,760
Speaker 1: To wouldn't you have to know what the true doctrine is.

2132
02:08:25,239 --> 02:08:26,279
Speaker 3: To say that it's false?

2133
02:08:27,039 --> 02:08:27,359
Speaker 1: Yes?

2134
02:08:28,840 --> 02:08:30,760
Speaker 3: Yeah, And that's why when I started asking him to

2135
02:08:30,880 --> 02:08:33,520
name a church father that was a post episode father

2136
02:08:33,560 --> 02:08:36,199
that he read, he couldn't name one. So again, Bro,

2137
02:08:36,479 --> 02:08:38,760
your lawyer tactics are not going to work on me.

2138
02:08:38,800 --> 02:08:45,199
That's not going to work here, Mars. What's up in Seah?

2139
02:08:45,199 --> 02:08:46,880
A lot of people do, a lot of people think

2140
02:08:46,920 --> 02:08:50,800
that being a lawyer somehow translates into like debating. It doesn't.

2141
02:08:51,680 --> 02:08:53,239
It may, but not necessarily.

2142
02:09:02,079 --> 02:09:02,680
Speaker 5: What's up, Jay?

2143
02:09:03,239 --> 02:09:03,600
Speaker 3: What's up?

2144
02:09:04,800 --> 02:09:05,159
Speaker 1: All right?

2145
02:09:05,239 --> 02:09:08,119
Speaker 3: So a couple of the Orthobos got together.

2146
02:09:07,920 --> 02:09:08,600
Speaker 1: We had a meeting.

2147
02:09:09,079 --> 02:09:12,000
Speaker 2: You gotta stop telling people to come smash you hard online.

2148
02:09:12,039 --> 02:09:13,720
Speaker 1: Bro, It's just it's overall.

2149
02:09:14,279 --> 02:09:16,600
Speaker 2: It's listen, it's hot, but it's not a good look.

2150
02:09:16,680 --> 02:09:18,520
Speaker 1: Overall. I just gotta tell you that.

2151
02:09:21,479 --> 02:09:23,319
Speaker 3: I will repent of my gainness right now.

2152
02:09:25,560 --> 02:09:27,279
Speaker 1: There you have it, boys, Thanks.

2153
02:09:27,840 --> 02:09:32,960
Speaker 3: Yeah, he just smashed me online right there. Anthony was up.

2154
02:09:38,520 --> 02:09:42,479
Speaker 29: I should have debated him in my Joja lawyer accent.

2155
02:09:42,920 --> 02:09:45,840
You see here, your honor, this man is not a

2156
02:09:45,920 --> 02:09:51,479
well of inn of the post Aple Stolics hoods falls.

2157
02:09:52,079 --> 02:09:55,560
I do concur but and I do declare that this

2158
02:09:55,680 --> 02:09:59,880
man is in guilt of pudsury hell in the ca

2159
02:10:00,479 --> 02:10:01,960
y'all allsta.

2160
02:10:01,479 --> 02:10:12,239
Speaker 3: What's up man, Anthony? What's up? Anthony? You're another one

2161
02:10:12,239 --> 02:10:15,439
of these people. I just don't understand the logic of

2162
02:10:15,479 --> 02:10:30,760
waiting to not talk Charles. What's up? Charles calling me

2163
02:10:30,760 --> 02:10:33,840
from his from his shower, fresh from the shower, what's up?

2164
02:10:35,760 --> 02:10:35,920
Speaker 14: Well?

2165
02:10:36,000 --> 02:10:37,600
Speaker 1: Yeah, I gotta get out of the labor here.

2166
02:10:38,279 --> 02:10:41,560
Speaker 41: Hey, I was away a couple of minutes after the

2167
02:10:41,600 --> 02:10:45,840
local church guy called. So I don't know if someone

2168
02:10:46,159 --> 02:10:50,479
mentioned this, but I've been a Christian for forty five years,

2169
02:10:50,520 --> 02:10:55,159
and back in the day I knew of witness in

2170
02:10:55,239 --> 02:10:57,680
the local church through also reading.

2171
02:11:00,319 --> 02:11:01,840
Speaker 5: Back to my Calviy Chapel.

2172
02:11:01,600 --> 02:11:06,199
Speaker 41: Days, which, by the way, Chuck Smith did want anything

2173
02:11:06,239 --> 02:11:10,199
to do with Watchmanny. After a book came out called

2174
02:11:10,319 --> 02:11:14,279
Understanding Watchman Ny, which was a critique of a lot

2175
02:11:14,279 --> 02:11:15,159
of these kind.

2176
02:11:14,960 --> 02:11:16,760
Speaker 1: Of weird views.

2177
02:11:17,479 --> 02:11:20,560
Speaker 41: But anyway, a book came out exposing witness Lee in

2178
02:11:20,600 --> 02:11:24,840
the local church called The God Men. This is over

2179
02:11:24,920 --> 02:11:27,520
forty five years this about forty five years ago. And

2180
02:11:28,359 --> 02:11:30,800
what the author of that book found out quickly is

2181
02:11:30,840 --> 02:11:39,319
that the local church zealously sues anybody that critiques them publicly.

2182
02:11:39,720 --> 02:11:39,880
Speaker 1: Yeah.

2183
02:11:39,960 --> 02:11:42,479
Speaker 3: I think we just referenced that in the Wikipedia article

2184
02:11:42,560 --> 02:11:44,119
that there was a lawsuit about that.

2185
02:11:45,000 --> 02:11:49,520
Speaker 41: Okay, Yeah, like I said, I was away, So yeah, I.

2186
02:11:49,479 --> 02:11:51,159
Speaker 1: Didn't know if you knew that.

2187
02:11:51,159 --> 02:11:52,800
Speaker 5: That's kind of no.

2188
02:11:52,880 --> 02:11:56,520
Speaker 3: But I mean that sounds again really sus not surprised.

2189
02:11:56,560 --> 02:12:00,119
But yeah, a lot of these cultic groups like that

2190
02:12:00,119 --> 02:12:05,079
are pretty I think, you know, scientology is very litigious, Jim,

2191
02:12:05,119 --> 02:12:12,119
what's up man? Yeah? No, Ucbus is not a saint.

2192
02:12:12,359 --> 02:12:15,720
We consider him a patristic writer because he was not

2193
02:12:15,960 --> 02:12:20,199
fully Orthodox, and he was writing in the three hundreds,

2194
02:12:20,960 --> 02:12:23,119
not in the first and second century. What's up man?

2195
02:12:28,079 --> 02:12:29,880
Speaker 1: Hey? Hey, you doing Jay good?

2196
02:12:29,920 --> 02:12:30,359
Speaker 3: What's up?

2197
02:12:31,720 --> 02:12:31,960
Speaker 11: Yeah?

2198
02:12:32,039 --> 02:12:35,199
Speaker 14: Listen to your tag explanation videos and they're a very

2199
02:12:35,199 --> 02:12:38,600
good listen. Calling in because I believe that you might

2200
02:12:38,640 --> 02:12:41,760
have missed an important concept that I think ties in

2201
02:12:41,800 --> 02:12:44,119
all the logic together in it? Okay, And it's like

2202
02:12:44,199 --> 02:12:49,760
the concept of zero or nothing? Is that something that

2203
02:12:49,800 --> 02:12:53,680
you have thought about or considered in the tag argument?

2204
02:12:55,520 --> 02:12:56,000
Speaker 3: Enlighten me?

2205
02:12:58,239 --> 02:13:02,680
Speaker 14: So how I understand if I'm wrong for the tag argument? Uh,

2206
02:13:02,840 --> 02:13:07,479
there's three foundational concepts and they are what is the

2207
02:13:07,479 --> 02:13:12,199
most necessary presupposition to everything? Because they all presuppose each other?

2208
02:13:12,960 --> 02:13:15,840
Is that correct?

2209
02:13:17,000 --> 02:13:18,439
Speaker 3: Maybe? I don't know.

2210
02:13:19,239 --> 02:13:25,600
Speaker 14: Okay, So, like I guess how I see the three concepts?

2211
02:13:25,600 --> 02:13:27,680
Speaker 3: And Tag, what do you mean by the three concepts?

2212
02:13:28,159 --> 02:13:30,239
Speaker 14: Well, when you're talking about like the Father, the Son,

2213
02:13:30,279 --> 02:13:33,039
and the Holy Spirit, right, Tag, you're saying you have

2214
02:13:33,119 --> 02:13:35,720
these three things that are inevitable.

2215
02:13:36,359 --> 02:13:38,640
Speaker 3: Okay, I don't so this is not really the line

2216
02:13:38,640 --> 02:13:39,079
of argument.

2217
02:13:39,119 --> 02:13:41,920
Speaker 14: I go, now, okay, maybe could you explain then?

2218
02:13:42,119 --> 02:13:46,159
Speaker 3: Well, just get to what's your argument about the zero stuff? Oh?

2219
02:13:46,239 --> 02:13:50,680
Speaker 14: Yeah, so nothing. So, So, if you're trying to like

2220
02:13:51,439 --> 02:13:55,680
talk about logic and prove everything, you would necessarily have

2221
02:13:55,760 --> 02:13:58,920
to have a starting point, right, You would necessarily need

2222
02:13:58,960 --> 02:14:03,199
to have an ability to distinguish between that starting point

2223
02:14:03,199 --> 02:14:06,039
and something else, And then you need the ability to

2224
02:14:06,199 --> 02:14:12,000
relate the topics together. And so that's kind of how

2225
02:14:12,039 --> 02:14:16,640
I understood the tag argument from watching your videos. But

2226
02:14:16,680 --> 02:14:18,520
maybe I maybe I'm off.

2227
02:14:18,800 --> 02:14:21,960
Speaker 1: Why did you say zero is nothing? You know, zero

2228
02:14:22,079 --> 02:14:28,319
is actual something on a number line? Oh? Yes? Would

2229
02:14:28,359 --> 02:14:30,800
you explain some more just and mean? I got a

2230
02:14:30,840 --> 02:14:35,600
head out. Oh that's fine a pismology class. But so

2231
02:14:35,640 --> 02:14:38,520
are you Did you say there's a connection between zero

2232
02:14:38,560 --> 02:14:40,680
and nothing or well?

2233
02:14:40,680 --> 02:14:42,960
Speaker 14: I think it's more like concepts, right, and that the

2234
02:14:43,760 --> 02:14:45,880
it's not necessarily that they're that they're numbers, but they

2235
02:14:45,880 --> 02:14:50,359
could be thought of his numbers. Maybe like all these

2236
02:14:50,399 --> 02:14:54,680
things would presuppose numbers because they're supposed to be transcendentals.

2237
02:14:54,760 --> 02:15:03,960
Speaker 3: Right. I just don't say why tag necessitates nothing, that

2238
02:15:04,119 --> 02:15:06,840
the concept of nothing or or numbers.

2239
02:15:06,479 --> 02:15:11,520
Speaker 14: Even Okay, yeah, so I guess maybe it's it.

2240
02:15:11,520 --> 02:15:15,119
Speaker 1: Might take even if there were no numbers.

2241
02:15:15,000 --> 02:15:18,199
Speaker 14: Right right, Yeah, I understand, at least I believe I

2242
02:15:18,319 --> 02:15:22,119
understand the tag would presuppose it would come before math, right,

2243
02:15:22,079 --> 02:15:26,439
it come before numbers. What I got from watching your

2244
02:15:26,520 --> 02:15:31,479
videos was that you kind of get down to three concepts.

2245
02:15:31,560 --> 02:15:34,000
I think I might have had a screenshot or something

2246
02:15:34,039 --> 02:15:37,000
of what those we may I just never.

2247
02:15:37,039 --> 02:15:40,880
Speaker 3: I don't recall ever referring to the triad as three concepts.

2248
02:15:41,039 --> 02:15:41,880
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's not three.

2249
02:15:42,279 --> 02:15:43,800
Speaker 14: Well, how would you refer to the then?

2250
02:15:44,520 --> 02:15:47,399
Speaker 3: I mean, the ultimate reality is three persons, father, son,

2251
02:15:47,439 --> 02:15:51,199
and Holy Spirit. And that's more of a like I'm

2252
02:15:51,239 --> 02:15:54,960
saying that that's metaphysical absolute reality. So it's much more

2253
02:15:55,000 --> 02:15:57,079
than just some sort of conceptual framework.

2254
02:15:58,199 --> 02:16:01,039
Speaker 14: Oh yeah, sorry, I don't mean it. Maybe concept's not

2255
02:16:01,119 --> 02:16:02,840
a great word. It's like a charged word or not

2256
02:16:02,880 --> 02:16:05,720
a great word, but it's it's like I guess how

2257
02:16:05,760 --> 02:16:11,159
Plato describes, like his realm of forms is more real

2258
02:16:11,199 --> 02:16:13,760
than reality, right, like the fathers and the Holy Spirit

2259
02:16:13,880 --> 02:16:16,479
mm hm, as a concept would be more real than

2260
02:16:16,680 --> 02:16:19,000
things that we would see because we're limited by our perceptions.

2261
02:16:19,239 --> 02:16:22,920
Speaker 3: Yeah, but they're not abstract ideas, nor are they identical

2262
02:16:22,960 --> 02:16:27,079
to Plato's ideas because they're actual, so, you know, interpersonal

2263
02:16:27,560 --> 02:16:29,119
beings or persons.

2264
02:16:30,279 --> 02:16:32,079
Speaker 14: Okay, No, I totally I'm on board with that.

2265
02:16:32,079 --> 02:16:32,840
Speaker 3: I agree with that.

2266
02:16:34,000 --> 02:16:35,680
Speaker 14: Maybe I just don't have a better word than a

2267
02:16:35,760 --> 02:16:37,639
concept to describe what I'm talking about.

2268
02:16:37,719 --> 02:16:40,920
Speaker 3: So Peel, so are you maybe going in the direction

2269
02:16:41,000 --> 02:16:47,680
of arguing that maybe it's fundamentally essential to reasoning to have.

2270
02:16:50,159 --> 02:16:53,360
For example, when Aristotle lists the categories, you know, I

2271
02:16:53,360 --> 02:17:00,360
think he puts like differentiation, like like identification, differentiation, and like,

2272
02:17:00,360 --> 02:17:04,520
aren't these fundamental categories and relation or categories that are

2273
02:17:04,559 --> 02:17:09,559
necessary to have being or to have ontology and by extension,

2274
02:17:09,559 --> 02:17:11,680
to have knowledge. Is that with the line of argument

2275
02:17:11,719 --> 02:17:12,159
you're using.

2276
02:17:13,000 --> 02:17:15,159
Speaker 14: Yeah, I think so. Actually, maybe I'm not as familiar

2277
02:17:15,239 --> 02:17:16,360
with the Aristotle part.

2278
02:17:16,840 --> 02:17:17,600
Speaker 1: That'd be interesting for.

2279
02:17:17,559 --> 02:17:19,079
Speaker 14: Me to listen to, but yeah, I think that is

2280
02:17:19,120 --> 02:17:22,840
what I'm going down, the augmentation of I was trying

2281
02:17:22,879 --> 02:17:23,040
to do.

2282
02:17:24,079 --> 02:17:24,360
Speaker 1: I guess.

2283
02:17:24,399 --> 02:17:29,159
Speaker 3: So for example, quantity is one of the categories, and

2284
02:17:29,360 --> 02:17:32,319
I would say, yeah, like, in order to have knowledge,

2285
02:17:32,319 --> 02:17:41,239
you got to have some of these fundamental categories substance, quantity, quality, relation, place, time, position, state, action, affection.

2286
02:17:41,799 --> 02:17:44,719
Those are the categories listed by Aristotle. And what Kant

2287
02:17:44,760 --> 02:17:48,000
does is kind of tries to remove these from metaphysics

2288
02:17:48,000 --> 02:17:51,760
and make them more of a mental conceptual scheme that

2289
02:17:52,079 --> 02:17:57,040
they're necessary for predication. I'm not a quantient, but I

2290
02:17:57,079 --> 02:17:59,079
think CONT's right that, like, if you're going to have

2291
02:17:59,200 --> 02:18:04,559
meaningful conversation and discourse and linguistic exchange and thus knowledge,

2292
02:18:04,920 --> 02:18:08,000
you kind of have to have these basic categories, and

2293
02:18:08,040 --> 02:18:17,200
one of those is quantity and relation, which could quantity

2294
02:18:17,239 --> 02:18:19,959
obviously relates to mathematics.

2295
02:18:22,000 --> 02:18:26,120
Speaker 14: Yeah, quantity is necessary for mathematics for sure. I guess

2296
02:18:26,159 --> 02:18:28,319
I wasn't sure that I hadn't heard there were so

2297
02:18:28,440 --> 02:18:33,319
many different categories. I thought that based on listening to

2298
02:18:33,399 --> 02:18:35,959
Tag and based on kind of reasoning it out myself,

2299
02:18:36,040 --> 02:18:39,440
finally came down to three and kind of like a

2300
02:18:39,559 --> 02:18:41,760
hidden forth one almost, which is what I was kind

2301
02:18:41,760 --> 02:18:44,319
of getting at with the concept of nothing.

2302
02:18:45,120 --> 02:18:47,600
Speaker 3: Well, what kind does is take these categories and then

2303
02:18:47,639 --> 02:18:52,319
tries to kind of make them again like necessary for

2304
02:18:52,399 --> 02:18:56,079
any conceptual schema or that basically all of our minds

2305
02:18:56,159 --> 02:18:59,520
kind of have these categories, and then the mind organizes

2306
02:19:00,639 --> 02:19:05,440
the data into this list of category here. So I

2307
02:19:05,440 --> 02:19:09,520
don't there's not like one absolute list of this. It's

2308
02:19:09,559 --> 02:19:12,319
just kind of philosophers and people trying to work through

2309
02:19:12,360 --> 02:19:20,360
it and figure it out. So it's interesting.

2310
02:19:20,879 --> 02:19:24,000
Speaker 14: I guess I would say, maybe I'll just kind of

2311
02:19:24,000 --> 02:19:25,799
explain a little bit more about what I was thinking.

2312
02:19:25,879 --> 02:19:28,639
Like I was, I was thinking about like God, So

2313
02:19:28,680 --> 02:19:31,479
there's God, the Father, there's the Son, there's the Holy Spirit, right,

2314
02:19:32,079 --> 02:19:37,920
God the Father is it's basically like encompassing everything. The

2315
02:19:38,000 --> 02:19:41,360
Son is a distinct being from him, but it's also

2316
02:19:42,079 --> 02:19:46,000
connected back and the same as him, and the connection

2317
02:19:46,159 --> 02:19:48,479
is kind of like the Holy Spirit that we all

2318
02:19:48,920 --> 02:19:51,959
communicate back through and are connecting through.

2319
02:19:52,079 --> 02:19:53,079
Speaker 5: Does that make sense?

2320
02:19:59,479 --> 02:20:00,479
Speaker 14: M m hm.

2321
02:20:10,840 --> 02:20:15,440
Speaker 3: Maybe. I mean, it's just maybe it's a little difficult

2322
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to because because a lot of times people might read

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into some of these terms things that aren't necessarily But

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I mean, you do have like when Saint Maximus the

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Confessor writes about the first principle and then the logos

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being born from the first principle, that it's like the

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first of differentiation and the first of relations. So you

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might if you read Saint Maximus read it in that way.

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It's interesting he speaks kind of this way in the

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ambiguo like ambigual one, and then there's some questions in

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the questions and answers that goes along this line. I

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just the problem is not whether or not it's true.

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It's just that, like when Maximus makes these arguments, he

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kind of argues, like everyone agrees that, well, we all

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know that these are the these are obvious metaphysical principles,

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and the problem is that when you get to modern philosophy,

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philosophers are not going to grant that these are obvious

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metaphysical principles the way that the ancients and the Medievals

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understood them to just be so so.

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Speaker 14: Oh right, you had to prove them all for sure.

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Speaker 3: Yeah.

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Speaker 14: Anyway, Okay, I didn't want to take up too much time,

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but I don't know. I thought this is interesting. Maybe

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if there's some way to follow up with you on this,

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because I think there's some things that would be interested

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to read based on what you said, And maybe if

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there's some way where I could chat with you more

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about this kind of elaborate further.

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Speaker 3: I don't know. I mean, that's a tough question. Maybe

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just come back next time we're doing an open open stream.

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I appreciate it. Yeah, it's just it gets really harry

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and abstract, Anthony. You want to try again. But I

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appreciate the way you're thinking here. And I'm not saying

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that Kant's version of the categories is identical too, it's

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just very it's similar to Aristotles categories. What's up, man?

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Speaker 5: Can you hear me?

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Speaker 14: Now? Sure?

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Speaker 7: Awesome? Sorry about that.

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Speaker 1: You brought this up a while ago.

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Speaker 42: And I'm sorry if you covered already, but the did

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Do you mind going quickly over the geopolitical angle of

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these a too an apparition in your opinion.

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Speaker 3: I don't know that there. I mean, there could be one.

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I don't know what it.

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Speaker 42: Is, gotcha, okay, yeah, I just you know, I was

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looking into it more. I'm Coptic myself, and I noticed

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that in the description they also outline.

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Speaker 7: Doves or glowing doves.

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Speaker 42: And I know we have you know, that idea in

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the Bible, but I realized it's more prominent in the

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Core and I you know, the the the chapters of

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the Corona are supposed to intercede as doves on the

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day of judgment. Oh really, And I noticed, yeah, yeah,

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so that's kind of what drew me into your angle

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of you know, it could be just.

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Speaker 3: Some kind of well, I will say this that usually

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it's it's appealed to in an ecumenist way. So for example,

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we have Roman Catholics love this apparition. They don't care

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that it's an Oriental Orthodox thing, and they'll just say, yeah,

2380
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so any apparition that's Mary and it's all good. Right.

2381
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So it's like, well, but if you're a Roman Catholic.

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I'm not saying it's even approved by the Vatican. I'm

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just saying that Roman Catholics tend to, in an acumenist way,

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support and promote the Zytoone apparition. I hadn't really thought

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about the doves. But regardless of the doves, like it's

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it's already used by acuminous minded people all the time.

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Speaker 1: Gotcha, all right, thanks for your time, man.

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Speaker 3: And the reason for that's pretty obvious, because the Roman

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Catholics were saying, hey, if Mary is appearing in Zyto

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02:24:05,280 --> 02:24:08,760
in Egypt to the Coptics, and if we base a

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02:24:08,799 --> 02:24:12,200
lot of our argumentation on apparitions, we got to admit

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it's Mary, and therefore, hey, Coptics are They're good? Mary's

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02:24:17,600 --> 02:24:20,319
Mary wouldn't appear up there, right, So it becomes this

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02:24:20,879 --> 02:24:36,200
like automatic default, a humanist move, which could then suggest

2395
02:24:36,799 --> 02:24:39,600
ecumenist stuff. I'm not sure where I mean. I guess

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it could go in different ways, but I mean it's

2397
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kind of like Fatima. Like Fatima definitely was was even

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if it was, I don't think it was real, but

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even if it was, like it was also roped into

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geopolitical you know, cold War stuff. I would say, just

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on the surface of it, without looking a lot into

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02:25:04,920 --> 02:25:08,120
this could definitely be I mean, the CIA would definitely

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capitalize on this against the Soviets. Right, So this has

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taking place in nineteen sixty eight, it's the Cold War.

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I mean, this would be perfect like Cold War stuff. Right. Oh, look,

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Mary's with the Coptics. Therefore the Soviets are bad and

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02:25:22,479 --> 02:25:26,680
you think I'm not joking, Like apparitions were loved by

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the CIA and utilized and staged by admission, by the

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CIA and the Cold War. That's admitted, and we've covered

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that many times over. Many people, even tradcats, argue that

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Magic Gory was one of these. So my guess would

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02:25:50,520 --> 02:25:55,520
be that if if this was in some way capitalized

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02:25:55,559 --> 02:25:58,920
on or staged or even just just created as a hoax,

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because remember, like I mean, do we know the thousands

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02:26:04,360 --> 02:26:07,680
of people that were there? No, okay, well, how do

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02:26:07,719 --> 02:26:09,479
we know that thousands of people witness Well there's a

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02:26:09,520 --> 02:26:12,959
news printing that says thousands of people saw Well, I

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mean you realize the newspapers have been staging things since

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the eighteen nineties. Look up the bat people on the

2420
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Moon hoax, which everybody at that time believed was real

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because it was in the papers. Now and here's Roman

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02:26:35,520 --> 02:26:42,799
Catholic sites promoting her right here. Now we've covered, for example,

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02:26:43,879 --> 02:26:48,360
in the book on the CN religion that we covered

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02:26:48,680 --> 02:26:53,680
from the academic texts. It's not a conspiracy. Book ed Lansdale,

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for example, wanted to stage entire second comings of Christ

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during the Cold War. Now, supposedly they didn't go with

2427
02:27:00,719 --> 02:27:02,559
any of that, but that tells you right there, there's

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an admission openly right there that they're willing to engage

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in staged apparitions. And there are examples of this. I

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don't know if it'll come up when I search for it,

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but let's see