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Speaker 1: Welcome to the KTPF Reload Show. In case you're wondering

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what the Reload Show is about if you haven't heard

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previous shows, these are the interviews that were conducted by

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a good friends of mine, Steven Sue Tagget in the

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days of the KTPF radio show. There are on radio

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show around for just over four years, broadcasting every week

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for over the three hours. I joined them in the

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last eighteen months of the show's run, but eventually the

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guys felt they've just about had enough. It was a

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monumental effort to keep broadcasting every week for three hours.

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It was a wonderful show, but unfortunately they are longer

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involved and the shows have just sort of sat in

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the archive. So I thought it would be nice to

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bring them back to life and bringing you the interviews

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that the guy has conducted over those four years and

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include some of the most interesting people within the world

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of the paranormal and some not so well numbers. Nevertheless

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still very interesting. We even have one or two rather

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unusual shows, including a live seance and other things along

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those lines. Anyway, hopefully you enjoy tonight's show, and this

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is the KTPF Reload Show.

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Speaker 2: Enjoy This program deals with themes of an adult nature

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and is intended for a mature audience.

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Speaker 1: You're in the right.

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Speaker 3: Place online, on Aware and on air all over the

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world talk radio.

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Speaker 4: You hear us, We hear you. Good even, ladies and gentlemen,

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and welcome to another edition of the KTPF Community talk show.

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My name is Suzanne and I'm Steve, and we're here

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keeping the paranormal friendly. So sit back with your favorite

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beverage whilst we bring you a relaxed show full of

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the supernatural, paranormal and other strange phenomena. Now on tonight's show,

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We've got Gary has some Time. He is well known

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for in the field of UFO research. A married man

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with two beautiful adult daughters, Scumfort born Carrie worked as

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a detective in the British Transport Police for over twenty

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years and was involved in the London bombing's inquiry as

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a specialist interviewer of first first responding police officers. In

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January two thousand and two, while still a serving police officer,

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he launched an unofficial national database for police officers reporting

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UFO sightings at www dot Proofospolice Database dot co dot UK.

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The founder and editor of UFO Truth Magazine, tells us

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about uthology, reported cases, credible witnesses, evidence evaluation and ET

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visitations and the other opinions that he has rewarded neuthology

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and how he got involved. So sit back and we'll

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talking to him. Well, what we're going to do is

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we're going to contact Gary.

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Speaker 5: Now, I bet Gary doesn't say it's Pluto.

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Speaker 4: Let's contact Gary and see what he thinks, what he's

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got to tell us about uphology. And as I said,

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he is a founder and editor of the magazine. Hello

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UK Truth Magazine. Good evening, Gary, evening. How are you.

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Speaker 3: I'm very well. Thank you, Thank you for inviting me

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onto your show.

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Speaker 4: That's fine, not a problem.

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Speaker 5: You've been you can go now.

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Speaker 4: Thank you for thank you for giving us your time.

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We've just been talking. We've just been talking about did

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you say that it's about Pluto recently this week the

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NASA fly pass?

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Speaker 3: Yes? Yeah.

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Speaker 4: What do you think? Do you think it looks like

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Pluto on the planet or was it a love heart?

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Speaker 3: It's hard to know what it is.

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Speaker 6: I think they must have a lot more images than

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what they're releasing. Yes, seem to be just drip feeding it. Yeah,

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but I mean it is fascinating. And what I always

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find fascinating when you're hear NASA speak is that they say, oh,

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it's going to have this and that on the surface,

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and then actually when they get there, it's nothing like

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Speaker 3: So that always falls to me like, we.

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Speaker 6: Really don't know what's going on, And as we explore

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the universe, we're really just touching the tip of an iceberg.

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Speaker 3: In hour. We really are the answering the playground. I think.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, Okay, my listeners, don't forget. If you have any

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and I'll tweak the amp a bit more. But hopefully

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you can hear them. Okay. As I said, welcome to

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the show, Gary, And what we'd like to do is,

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first of all, can you tell us about yourself and

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how you've got involved in you.

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Speaker 6: Well, I'm now a retired police officer. I retired in

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as a detective constable working on murder manslaughter rate that

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kind of thing. I was an advanced interviewer of suspects

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and witnesses. So that's my background. Previously that I spent

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a childhood sighting that stayed with me but in the

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background for a long time, and then putting a long

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story shot. In January two thousand and two, I launched

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an unofficial national database for British police officers to record

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their UFOUR sightings. And I started with about six cases

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involved in ten British police officers, and now thirteen years on,

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I have over five hundred and fifty cases involving around

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one thousand and fifty British police officers, which.

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Speaker 4: Is quite okay. Can I just ask before Steve asked

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east first one, how did the FOCE feel about your interest?

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Speaker 6: Initially it wasn't a problem, but as time went on,

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I left the police early. I could have gone for

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another six years. But as an example, the thing that

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the straw that brought the camel's back as it were,

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was that in two thousand and nine, when the Ministry

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Defense suddenly closed its UFO reporting desk, I wrote to

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all the police forces in England and Wales of my

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own volition, as in an off duty capacity, stating that

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I was an officer with the British Transport Police, stated

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that my hobby was UFOs and that I had this

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police database and how were they going to record sightings

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that they were still going to have regardless of the

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mod's decision and basically cutting a long story short. My

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own chief Constable I wrote to as well as a

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matter of courtesy. He apparently got a phone call from

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another chief Constable I don't know which force who ridiculed him.

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force and because of that he took a dim view

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instigate disciplinary hearings for bringing the force into disrepute and

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cutting a long story short. Twelve months later I got

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a twelve month written warning, even though it was a

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private letter saying who I was, what I was doing

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in a private capacity, asking for information. The reality is

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where your job was potentially on the line.

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Speaker 3: All through that process.

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some kind of problem for me, and I ended up

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getting sacked for some reason, so I chose to walk away, right.

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said that they'd seen the sighting? Would it be taken seriously?

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think it was December two thousand and nine, the mod

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close its UFO reporting facility, which meant that for the

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previous fifty years, the usual procedure had been that if

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somebody rang in called to the police station, the police

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officer who took the call would then ask them to

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complete or record details for an online form that would

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then be facts teleexed in days of old, emailed in

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recent years to the Ministry of Defense, and it would

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be up to them whether they investigated it or not.

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Speaker 3: Invariably they didn't.

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Speaker 6: However, the reality is from two thousand and nine. No

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force is obliged to record any information on UFOs as

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far as I'm aware, although many still will do. And

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what I would say is that if a member of

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the public walked into a big police station, because most

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of the small, rural, tiny police stations have disappeared, and

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it nearly always is a big regional police station. Now,

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if they went in and went to the front desk,

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what should happen is that they should be treated sympathetically

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and an incident log should be created and an offer

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should be allocated to investigate if there is anything to investigate.

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Tangible wise, if it comes into a control room, which

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is you know, via a nine nine nine or one

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or one number or whatever. Basically, again, everything in a

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control room is recorded audio wise, everything so the way

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that the responder, the civilian at the other end picking

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up the line, that's all monitored. So they have to

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be seen to be professional and they can't dismiss you

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and call you a fool, perhaps in days of old

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when things were more rural and less automated. So I

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would say that if you rang into a police station,

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it should be recorded. However, what the police will say is, well,

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we've nobody to send it to, so what's the point

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in telling us in a roundabout way? And I think

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that's a real problem and that has never been addressed

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since I wrote to the MD.

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Speaker 3: And I could foresee that every force was.

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Speaker 6: Still going to get anywhere between five and ten sightings

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Speaker 3: Well, there's forty.

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Speaker 6: Three county forces in England and Wales, in Scotland and Wales,

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so that's a lot of sightings, and what are they're

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going to do with them? So it's a major problem

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it far from the cost cutting exercise that they said

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UFO sightings has compared in previous years were at a

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very high levels, considerably so, and the MOD were getting

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bogged down in freedom of information requests and I think

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that was the real reason they wanted to get rid

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of the problem, which is, if you know your history

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on UFOs is not too dissimilar to the way the

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American US Air Force got.

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Speaker 3: Rid of the Project Blue Book.

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Speaker 6: They basically set it to a university that was trumped

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up that it was always going to set to fail.

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The university the Condon report came out, there was nothing

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to it, and that's it, or there's no point in

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carrying on blue book anymore. I think it was a

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deliberate act to get people asking from asking questions.

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Speaker 4: Right, Okay, So if you was to walk into the

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police station today, just let me clarify this, Yes that

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they would take notice or no they wouldn't, And would

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it be passed on to the MD.

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Speaker 3: Well, it won't go to the MRD.

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Speaker 6: But certainly if you go to the front desk, all

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everything in the front desk area is video recorded and

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audio recorded. So again, if you walk in in all

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seriousness and say I've just seen something and I'm really scared,

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I'm sure a lot of people who've had sightings are

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absolutely shocked at what they've seen. Whether it turns out

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to be misidentification doesn't matter. The point is they've perceived

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that they've had an experience and they may well be traumatized.

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then they should be dealt with very sympathetically. And what

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should happen is that they should be set aside, an

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officers should interview them, and a log should be raised

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an incident log is created for virtually everything that either

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comes to the police station via the front desk or

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via a telephone call, and if not, there should be

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a question as to why not?

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Speaker 4: Right, Okay, Steve, you've got a question.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, I got one that right at the start of

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anybody's investigation. Really, we all know what people see. It

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is unreliable due to how they perceive things. How do

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we decide what is relevant or worth following up off?

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Speaker 6: Well, in my experience as a police officer, you get

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perception difficulties in the sense of yes, for example, let's

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do it this way, and this is where the skeptics

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make try to make hay, but it doesn't add up.

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Speaker 3: It's a scrutiny in reality you can have.

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Speaker 6: Are you in a let's let's do it as an example.

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Speaker 3: Now, are you in a studio?

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Speaker 4: No?

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Speaker 3: No, all right? Are you in a building that has windows?

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Speaker 5: Yes?

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Speaker 6: Okay, the windows outside are looking at what street? Okay,

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let's imagine now we hear a loud explosion.

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Speaker 3: Are you not yep.

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Speaker 6: So what you'll have then is everybody doing the same.

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all become material witnesses.

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Speaker 3: To an event, whatever it is.

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Speaker 6: Everybody will see parts of that event slightly differently. For example,

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you may think that it was an explosion by a

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red car you when you give you a statements, the

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police might say it's a green car. Somebody else down

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the road might say it's next to a lorry. Some

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people might say I saw four people on the other

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side of the road. Other people will say I saw

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too Other people will say I saw a guy riding

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Speaker 3: But the point is, and.

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Speaker 6: This is the real fact of perception, is they all

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see an incident. Parts of the description, their personal descriptions

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may vary wildly, but they won't be wrong about the

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actual incident. I hear an explosion, I went to the window.

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That will all be the same. So do you see

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what I mean? So when we look at evidence, for example,

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if again something happened outside your room wherever you are,

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and there's a UFO there, everybody would go rushing to

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the window to look, and you've got then fifty hundred witnesses.

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If it's in a built up town, So they become

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witnesses and they should have their statements taken and all

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essentially will they saw something in the sky. The variations

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of size, shape, colors, et cetera maybe vary a lot,

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but they'll all more or less say the same thing,

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that there was something in the sky, and that should

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is what should be remembered. Because when people talk about perceptions,

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I always say, we'll hang on a minute. How can

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you decry? First of all, you've got to look for

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number of witnesses. Best, if you get what's called independent witnesses,

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that's people who don't know each other, but all viewing

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from different geographical vantage points, that's the best kind of scenario.

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Then what you have to do is work out in

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relation to a UFO sighting. All right, so people have

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seen something, what is it?

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Speaker 3: What is it?

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Speaker 6: Then boils down to how they describe the size, shape, movement, noise,

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et cetera. Well, if you have six people who don't

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know each other viewing it from four or five different

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geographical advantage points, and they're saying it's a cigar shape

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and it's about two hundred foot long, then they're looking

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at a cigar shape that's two hundred foot long. Then

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you have to determine what is that object? Can we

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explain that away in identifiable natural things? So you go

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through the list. Is it microlight aircraft, helicopter. Well, there's

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no noise, it's silent, it's two hundred foot long, there's

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no appendages, there's no side of energes. And then suddenly

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it shoots off in a blink of eye, instant acceleration

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and stops two miles away.

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Speaker 3: Well, we can't do that.

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Speaker 6: So what you have to do is first of all,

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established that something was in the sky, and then you've

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got to examine the data to see what was described

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and see if you can then pull anything from it.

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But if an object did that, then we are not

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looking at anything that we can do stealth for otherwise, Right.

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Speaker 4: Okay, so what do you do? Then you've got you've

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got the reports, you've intermid the witnesses, you've done all that.

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Where do you go from there?

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Speaker 6: Well it would depend if it's a multiple witness event.

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We have got a real problem in the UK now

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because say I do a great investigation and I have

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fifty witnesses, I come up with a conclusion report based

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on all this, I think this is a normalous to

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me points to unknown technology in our airspace, or what

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am I going to do with that?

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Speaker 3: Well, literally, what can I do?

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Speaker 6: I can publish it within the UFO community, which in

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terms of mainstream is underground, so not many people see it.

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Speaker 3: I can put a press release out.

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Speaker 6: To the mainstream media, and the odds are that they'll

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just totally ignore it, like they usually do.

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Speaker 3: So what do you do? You tell me what you do?

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Speaker 6: There's not a lot you can do when the mainstream

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media don't give you a level playing field.

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Speaker 5: No, they have a bad of ridiculing people, don't it

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when it comes to things like that.

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Speaker 6: Well, that is the historical problem, especially with the UFOs.

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That's really carrying on from the nineteen fifties when the

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CIA put the Robertson panel together. They commissioned the Robertson

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Panel of top scientists and basically that panel quite openly

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said we've got to strip the aura of flying sources

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and we've got to work with the media to done

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this subject down in the media. Now, you could argue

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they did that for the right reasons and for the

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wrong reasons. I think it was done because too many

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people were genuinely interested and they didn't want to give

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out the truth of what was going on.

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Speaker 4: Okay, now you started the profiless police database. Can I

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ask why you went down this road.

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Speaker 6: It's a long story which i'll cut short, suffice to say,

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having had a childhood sighting that stayed with me, but

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then I went away, had a life, got married, had

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a couple of kids, was in the Air Force, joined

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the police, and it was kind of like in the background.

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And then I basically came across a magazine called UFO Magazine,

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which was a printed publication, and it was in wh

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Smith on Leeds City railway station, and I thought, wow,

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this is interesting. From years ago, it was just like

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little old little white booklets, you know, a little lay

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five booklets. But this was a proper glossy printed magazine

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and it was all done nonsensationalistic, was done by geicolled Grain. Bertill,

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sadly not with us now died in two thousand and

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three of brain emorrhage. But it was a great magazine

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universally regarded across the world ufour wise, and it told

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things from pilot perspectives, air traffic controllers and from me

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as a police officer and by then a detective, I

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was always drawn to things that were evidential. What would

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stand up in a court of law. Well, if a

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pilot seis in broad daylight a UFO that's a structured object,

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and he chases after it, and he can't get anywhere

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near it, and the objects is playing games with him,

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and maybe it's confirmed on ground radar, airborne radar, perhaps

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other aircraft in the area, passenger aircraft, etc. Which has

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happened many times, then in my opinion, it should have

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been treated seriously. But because of this era of ridicule

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from the nineteen fifties that's persisted until this day, then

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basically we're still having the same arguments that we had

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sixty years ago. We've not moved on because really the

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mainstream media are working subtly and unbeknownst to themselves. Really

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because it's not happening at low level. This comes from

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on high that there's a policy to done this subject down.

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They don't consistently come to people like me who could

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take them to the top pilots, the astronauts, the cosmonauts,

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the air traffic controllers and put forward the best three

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percent of cases they don't do that. If you remember,

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or some of your audience may remember, I made two

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appearances on This Morning ITV Breakfast Big Show in the Morning,

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and basically I challenged them to have a debate. Well,

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they had this guy called Chris French who is a

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well known skeptic psychologist on there, and it was a

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real joke and they tried to literally tie my hands

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behind me back.

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Speaker 3: But I did a few things that surprise people.

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Speaker 6: I like, especially with a live audience, because the can't

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control live TV, and somebody like me is relatively dangerous

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because I can tell the truth and will tell the

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truth now. Unfortunately, at the end of the show, both

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the presenters, Holly Willoughby and the other guy came to

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me and said we should have you on every week,

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and I said, well, I'll be more than happy to

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come on and tell you the best cases, because I'll

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only feature the best cases.

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Speaker 3: But here's a story. They won't have me back on.

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Speaker 6: And only recently a freelance journalist about ten days ago

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rang me up saying they looking to do a program

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on UFOs on This Morning I think it was on

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last week or the week before, and I said, well,

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let's see if you can just get me back on

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that because I've done it a couple of times. Oh no,

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we can't have you and why not? Or you've been

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on it before, Well that's ridiculous. Chris French has done

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it twenty times and he gets paid five hundred pounds

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of time. You know, So that an argument didn't add up.

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So the reality is the mainstream controlled the subject in

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the way it's perceived to the masses. If somebody gave

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me a TV series on the mainstream and just concentrated

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on the top three percent cases by the end of

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that series, no one of a sound mine who looked

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at the show with an open mind would be in

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any doubt that we're dealing with something very, very profoundly

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strange and almost certainly his et in origin.

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Speaker 5: Can I just at this point say more to our

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listeners than yourself. UFO means just that unidentified flying objective

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absolutely aliens coming from another planet, which is well, is

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what a lot of people jumped to straight away, Dudley.

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Speaker 6: Yes they do, and a lot of people would prefer

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that the term r AP is used.

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Speaker 3: But I personally like the UFO because I know what

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it means.

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Speaker 6: And yes, people do misinterpret, but the reality is is

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and the general rule of thumb is that ninety five

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percent of all reports turn out to have a mundane explanation,

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whether it be misidentification, meteorological whatever. That's fine, and then

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you have this hard core of five percent. Now, when

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you really drill down into this five percent, you can

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take away another two percent that after investigation, turn out

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to have a conventional explanation, but you are always left

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with this very hard core of cases. Now that's three

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percent of millions. This isn't three percent of ten this

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is three percent of millions of cases worldwide. So we're

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talking about many, many thousands, tens of thousands of high

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quality reports from all around the world that defy explanation

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after investigation. Now, if you were an investigative reporter for

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any other subject, you would go to the best evidence

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as part of your start point of an investigation. Well,

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why is it that in the mainstream we're still looking

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at the same silly stories. They're still doing the same

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silly shows for donkeys' years. The format never changes. The

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first twenty minutes they give you a good pilot case

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and the audience is going, this is very interesting. Then

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the second twenty minutes, they start to go into the

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iconography or the alien heads, the communion, the alien gray face,

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the people that stand on the top of the hills

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going on Mommy with tin lids on their head, and

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they make it look crazy. Now, if you were an

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investigator reporter for any other subject, you would start only

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the best percent, the best top evidence. And in my case,

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what I would say is that the mainstream media do

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not do this. They continually fail to do this worldwide,

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apart from South America, which are far.

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Speaker 3: More open to the subject.

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Speaker 6: And basically the start point should be only at the

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beginning of the three percent. Why am I I'm not

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bothered about the ninety seven percent that can be explained.

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We should be starting and telling the public about the

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three percent, and that's where your investigation starts.

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Speaker 4: Okay, Now, do you believe that UFOs are extraterrestrial vehicles

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or are they drone like objects scouting or is there

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another explanation for the phenomena?

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Speaker 6: Well that's two questions in one really, because if it's

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drawn scouting, then you're implying that these aliens that are

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sending them out as.

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Speaker 3: Drugs were.

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Speaker 6: Understan Yes, I do yes, I do believe that a

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small proportion of cases, three percent of cases do for

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me create the circumstantial past, the circumstantial evidence debt.

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Speaker 3: Which is used in court of law all the time.

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Speaker 6: People get convicted a murder without the body, sometimes because

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the prosecution put forward what's called the circumstantial evidence case,

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and that basically means is that if you've got enough

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pieces of the jigsaw of the story, you can create

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an overwhelming compelling.

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Speaker 3: View of what's really occurred.

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Speaker 6: Well, if you apply that test, you are force and

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you look at the very top three percent, the pilots,

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commercial and military astronauts, cosmonauts who have gone on the record,

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radar operators, air traffic controllers, observation observer core sonar operators,

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top military officials, scientists who go on the record.

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Speaker 3: If you put in that hard.

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Speaker 6: Cluster the very best cases, they do stand up to scrutiny,

477
00:28:06,559 --> 00:28:11,039
and for me, overwhelmingly it points to et surveiling the earth.

478
00:28:11,279 --> 00:28:13,920
Quite what they're doing is another question. But are they

479
00:28:13,960 --> 00:28:16,240
here absolutely right?

480
00:28:16,279 --> 00:28:19,400
Speaker 4: Okay? And why are we seeing these UFOs? Do you

481
00:28:19,400 --> 00:28:22,640
think that they have shielding devices so that we cannot

482
00:28:22,759 --> 00:28:25,880
detect them in our fly zone? But people can see

483
00:28:25,920 --> 00:28:28,799
them or is it the government that are actually denying

484
00:28:28,839 --> 00:28:30,799
everything that we're being visited?

485
00:28:33,359 --> 00:28:34,440
Speaker 3: Well, two questions there.

486
00:28:34,480 --> 00:28:37,440
Speaker 6: The first part is I do believe that one of

487
00:28:37,480 --> 00:28:41,920
the characteristics of a UFO, a genuine U four ie T,

488
00:28:43,279 --> 00:28:47,200
is the ability to render themselves invisible and visible at will,

489
00:28:47,920 --> 00:28:50,920
cloaking for want of a better word. But this is

490
00:28:51,039 --> 00:28:54,599
kind of evidence by many people around the world who

491
00:28:54,759 --> 00:28:58,839
recorded footage and this is not CGI footage where people

492
00:28:58,880 --> 00:29:02,640
are seeing objects often in the infrared spectrum that you

493
00:29:02,720 --> 00:29:06,799
can't see visually, but with through night vision and infrared

494
00:29:07,240 --> 00:29:10,400
lenses you can pick up objects that you can't see visually.

495
00:29:10,680 --> 00:29:16,519
I myself are doing experiments with night vision and infrared

496
00:29:16,680 --> 00:29:19,400
at the moment in broad daylight and picking up objects

497
00:29:20,279 --> 00:29:23,079
long distance. But I'm picking up objects in broad daylight

498
00:29:23,599 --> 00:29:25,839
you can't see visually, but you can see through an

499
00:29:25,839 --> 00:29:30,559
infrared lens attached to the camera. So the night vision

500
00:29:30,599 --> 00:29:36,119
itself uses a different spectrum. But they're clearly showing objects

501
00:29:36,200 --> 00:29:39,880
that are moving in the sky with night vision equipment

502
00:29:40,319 --> 00:29:44,480
that are making weird and wonderful maneuvers that we can't do,

503
00:29:44,920 --> 00:29:51,279
right angle turns, reversals, instant acceleration, incident stop what's called

504
00:29:51,319 --> 00:29:54,039
flaring up where the object is bright and then suddenly

505
00:29:54,200 --> 00:29:55,920
it grows ten times the.

506
00:29:55,920 --> 00:29:58,960
Speaker 3: Size, like flaring up like a flare, and then goes down.

507
00:29:59,400 --> 00:29:59,599
You know.

508
00:29:59,640 --> 00:30:01,960
Speaker 6: But these a scene often for many minutes, so you

509
00:30:02,079 --> 00:30:05,599
often have multiple objects caught on night vision in weird

510
00:30:05,640 --> 00:30:09,079
and wonderful patterns that are not birds, clearly not birds

511
00:30:09,559 --> 00:30:13,799
that hold formation. So there's a whole plethora of really

512
00:30:13,799 --> 00:30:16,279
good stuff out there. So they do have the ability

513
00:30:16,319 --> 00:30:19,200
to be invisible if they want. I think most of

514
00:30:19,240 --> 00:30:24,359
the time they are just like they're surveillers and just

515
00:30:24,440 --> 00:30:27,440
watch us. I think we have to climb down a

516
00:30:27,519 --> 00:30:31,359
little bit and think of ourselves as the ant on

517
00:30:31,400 --> 00:30:33,279
the ground in the playground.

518
00:30:33,440 --> 00:30:35,200
Speaker 3: Would we talk to an ant?

519
00:30:35,880 --> 00:30:38,400
Speaker 6: No, we would, Why because we think, well, we've got

520
00:30:38,440 --> 00:30:42,079
superior to let your tiny urine en. There's no point

521
00:30:42,079 --> 00:30:44,359
you can't understand us. Well, how do we know that

522
00:30:44,480 --> 00:30:47,920
aliens don't look at us as very primitive life phones?

523
00:30:48,920 --> 00:30:51,119
Just because we think that we're clever and we can

524
00:30:51,559 --> 00:30:54,920
fly jet aircraftter one thousand miles an hour doesn't mean

525
00:30:54,920 --> 00:30:58,000
that they think that. And obviously they've traveled long distances,

526
00:30:58,240 --> 00:31:02,359
so it's a perception thing. So the reality is is

527
00:31:02,400 --> 00:31:06,000
that I think we have been watched most of the

528
00:31:06,039 --> 00:31:10,000
time by probably many species who come and view the

529
00:31:10,079 --> 00:31:14,279
earth much like we would swim with the fish in

530
00:31:14,319 --> 00:31:17,720
the Great Barrier reef. We don't go break the coral

531
00:31:17,960 --> 00:31:20,000
on the Great Barrier reef. That's a big no no,

532
00:31:20,079 --> 00:31:23,359
because that's the natural habitat. We basically just watch the

533
00:31:23,480 --> 00:31:28,640
variety of fish and observe in their natural environment. Well,

534
00:31:28,680 --> 00:31:31,519
how do we know that the vast majority of UFOs

535
00:31:31,559 --> 00:31:34,640
and aliens that are visiting here aren't doing the same?

536
00:31:35,839 --> 00:31:42,480
Speaker 5: Yeah it. Alien technology has been rumored to have been

537
00:31:42,559 --> 00:31:46,839
engineered back engineered by a scientists and military. But what

538
00:31:46,880 --> 00:31:50,759
are your thoughts on such a potential earth shattering claims?

539
00:31:51,000 --> 00:31:54,039
Why do you think these advancements have not been more

540
00:31:54,279 --> 00:31:55,759
forthcoming by the powers that be?

541
00:31:58,640 --> 00:32:02,440
Speaker 6: Right the reverse engineering? The reality is, you've got to

542
00:32:02,440 --> 00:32:06,000
look at this subject from two perspectives. And I say

543
00:32:06,000 --> 00:32:09,359
this to many people. There is the secret world of

544
00:32:09,519 --> 00:32:13,880
intelligence services and governments, and we me or you will

545
00:32:13,920 --> 00:32:16,680
never have what's called the need to know. We will

546
00:32:16,720 --> 00:32:22,000
never have the authorization to find out those critical questions.

547
00:32:22,200 --> 00:32:25,640
So we reli on to what happens in the public domain.

548
00:32:26,759 --> 00:32:31,319
The reality is, though, that if something crashed at Roswell,

549
00:32:31,359 --> 00:32:35,039
and I sincerely do believe that something did crash at Roswell,

550
00:32:36,400 --> 00:32:40,880
naturally we would try to make whatever was recovered. If

551
00:32:40,880 --> 00:32:43,440
it was a flying saurceer, for want of a better word,

552
00:32:43,799 --> 00:32:46,839
we would want to try to make it work. Why

553
00:32:47,240 --> 00:32:53,079
because if we did, our technological development would leap forward hundreds,

554
00:32:53,079 --> 00:32:57,519
if not thousands of years very quickly. And as we

555
00:32:57,599 --> 00:33:00,880
live in a world of militarism and America Earth, if

556
00:33:00,920 --> 00:33:04,240
you think about this, were just won the Second World War,

557
00:33:05,160 --> 00:33:09,279
UFOs begin to turn up after we start detonating atomic weapons,

558
00:33:09,440 --> 00:33:14,000
that's no coincidence. In my eye, there's a crash at Roswell.

559
00:33:14,240 --> 00:33:18,160
Now people lose this fact that people go, well, why

560
00:33:18,359 --> 00:33:22,079
Roswell in little New Mexico, middle of nowhere, Why would

561
00:33:22,079 --> 00:33:24,440
they turn up there? Well, the obvious answer is that

562
00:33:24,519 --> 00:33:27,880
it's never really publicized that much. Is that Roswell just

563
00:33:27,960 --> 00:33:31,799
happened to have the only world's atomic bomb squadron.

564
00:33:32,279 --> 00:33:34,559
Speaker 3: Well, if you think about the big globe.

565
00:33:34,640 --> 00:33:37,880
Speaker 6: If you've got a big rotating globe in your room

566
00:33:38,160 --> 00:33:40,000
and you were to throw a dart at it, what's

567
00:33:40,039 --> 00:33:43,400
the odds that UFO, it's going to turn up that

568
00:33:43,519 --> 00:33:47,319
one little tiny place pretty pretty slim. So to my mind,

569
00:33:47,359 --> 00:33:51,000
there's a definite correlation between atomic weapons and UFOs and

570
00:33:51,039 --> 00:33:53,960
them turning up. I think that when the first atomic

571
00:33:54,000 --> 00:33:57,440
weapon went off, he said a sound wave into space

572
00:33:57,759 --> 00:34:01,720
that said, oh, this planet suddenly got to a level

573
00:34:01,759 --> 00:34:08,280
of engineering and expertise that we didn't expect, and that's

574
00:34:08,320 --> 00:34:11,440
why they start turning up in larger numbers. So the

575
00:34:11,480 --> 00:34:14,639
reality is that I think there's many good reasons to

576
00:34:14,679 --> 00:34:17,599
think that we would have if we've recovered anything, we

577
00:34:17,679 --> 00:34:19,719
would try to naturally make it work.

578
00:34:19,960 --> 00:34:20,880
Speaker 3: How would you do that?

579
00:34:21,199 --> 00:34:24,119
Speaker 6: Well, what's believed to have happened is that they take

580
00:34:24,199 --> 00:34:26,840
pieces from the craft and they go to the top

581
00:34:27,880 --> 00:34:31,519
corporations and say, try to make that piece work. They

582
00:34:31,559 --> 00:34:37,079
don't tell the other companies what they're doing, so it's compartmentalized,

583
00:34:37,519 --> 00:34:42,559
and each person each company works in isolation, sworn to secrecy,

584
00:34:42,760 --> 00:34:45,000
and eventually one or two of them might go, yeah, well,

585
00:34:45,079 --> 00:34:46,920
actually we got that to work.

586
00:34:47,639 --> 00:34:50,039
Speaker 3: And that's how things would have been done.

587
00:34:50,079 --> 00:34:53,599
Speaker 6: And I think that's entirely feasible and almost certainly has happened.

588
00:34:53,719 --> 00:34:57,800
Have we got reverse engineered man made UFOs. I suspect

589
00:34:57,840 --> 00:35:00,679
that we do. People talk about the t R three

590
00:35:00,800 --> 00:35:03,639
B and things like that. I suspect there are some

591
00:35:03,760 --> 00:35:06,679
man made UFOs. But where I disagree with a lot

592
00:35:06,719 --> 00:35:09,920
of people is I don't think that they explain the

593
00:35:10,000 --> 00:35:14,360
many sightings worldwide. I still think those are et but

594
00:35:14,559 --> 00:35:19,239
we I think we have developed levels of technology, whether

595
00:35:19,280 --> 00:35:25,400
it's in association with or just through reverse engineering UFOs.

596
00:35:25,440 --> 00:35:28,760
So I think it's a it's logical that we would

597
00:35:28,800 --> 00:35:32,159
have reversed if we could, if something genuinely crashed, and

598
00:35:32,320 --> 00:35:35,679
we do it because America certainly would want to be

599
00:35:35,760 --> 00:35:38,719
the top military power in the world, which they think

600
00:35:38,760 --> 00:35:40,400
they right.

601
00:35:40,480 --> 00:35:42,880
Speaker 4: Okay, we've got a question for you in the chat room.

602
00:35:43,119 --> 00:35:47,360
Speaker 5: Yes, ghost to come up the questions, you've actually answered

603
00:35:47,440 --> 00:35:50,079
part of it. But he said, do you think some

604
00:35:50,280 --> 00:35:55,239
UFOs could be ECO from the future or back in

605
00:35:55,320 --> 00:35:57,280
time just crossing over somewhere.

606
00:35:59,079 --> 00:36:02,039
Speaker 6: Well, what I've realized over the years is that there's

607
00:36:02,079 --> 00:36:05,960
no simple answer to that question. Whilst I am very

608
00:36:06,039 --> 00:36:10,679
much an evidential person because of my police background, detective background,

609
00:36:11,719 --> 00:36:14,480
I kind of look at the nuts and bolts. However,

610
00:36:14,920 --> 00:36:18,039
that's only a part of it, and I think study

611
00:36:18,559 --> 00:36:22,480
as over many many decades. Now makes us realize that

612
00:36:23,360 --> 00:36:27,960
we're dealing with possible inter dimensions. And you think of

613
00:36:28,039 --> 00:36:33,199
the large Hadron collider in only in recent years do

614
00:36:33,280 --> 00:36:38,719
they admit that they might be ten dimensions, twelve dimensions. Well,

615
00:36:38,760 --> 00:36:42,800
this is absolutely earth shattering kind of technology that we're

616
00:36:42,960 --> 00:36:45,519
just becoming aware of. That's why I say we're in

617
00:36:45,559 --> 00:36:49,880
our infancy. I think we're just beginning to get to

618
00:36:49,920 --> 00:36:55,159
a technological level where it won't be long. I think

619
00:36:55,199 --> 00:36:58,360
within the next fifteen to seventeen years. And I say

620
00:36:58,400 --> 00:37:03,400
that because two years ago mainstream science heavily reported that

621
00:37:03,480 --> 00:37:08,239
the new radio telescopes coming online worldwide. They were saying,

622
00:37:08,280 --> 00:37:13,199
within twenty years we'll get detect an intelligent signal, not

623
00:37:13,280 --> 00:37:19,360
just a signal, and intelligence civilization through mainstream. So if

624
00:37:19,360 --> 00:37:22,320
you set that as teching the clock running by twenty

625
00:37:22,480 --> 00:37:28,480
thirty three, we will have made contact even in the mainstream.

626
00:37:29,039 --> 00:37:30,079
Speaker 3: By twenty thirty three.

627
00:37:30,519 --> 00:37:33,599
Speaker 6: But what I suggest what will happen is in the

628
00:37:33,679 --> 00:37:37,039
five to ten years preceding that, and as each new

629
00:37:37,320 --> 00:37:42,760
development comes along and discovery comes along, mainstream science and

630
00:37:42,840 --> 00:37:47,159
television and the media are gonna think, well, lastly, it's

631
00:37:47,199 --> 00:37:49,519
only going to be a matter of time now before

632
00:37:49,519 --> 00:37:52,800
we've got to deal with the ET issue once and

633
00:37:52,840 --> 00:37:56,920
for all, and perhaps or the ufologists out there, maybe

634
00:37:57,000 --> 00:37:59,760
there is something to iscus. Within a few years, we're

635
00:37:59,760 --> 00:38:02,320
going to meet these people or at least have contact

636
00:38:02,320 --> 00:38:04,119
with them. So I think there will be a sea

637
00:38:04,280 --> 00:38:07,760
change in the years running up to that, which some

638
00:38:07,800 --> 00:38:11,559
people may call disclosure. But I think that once something

639
00:38:11,760 --> 00:38:14,199
within a few years, within five to ten years, there

640
00:38:14,199 --> 00:38:16,920
will be a breakthrough, and I think the real truth

641
00:38:16,920 --> 00:38:17,880
will start to come out.

642
00:38:19,199 --> 00:38:23,280
Speaker 5: How far do you think mainstream is behind the secret stuff?

643
00:38:26,039 --> 00:38:28,679
Speaker 6: Well, certainly in aircraft, and I've always had a big

644
00:38:28,719 --> 00:38:30,280
interest in aircraft development.

645
00:38:30,679 --> 00:38:32,639
Speaker 3: The general rule is that like with.

646
00:38:32,760 --> 00:38:36,679
Speaker 6: People who use the stealth argument, and undoubtedly stealth aircraft

647
00:38:36,719 --> 00:38:39,119
have been responsible for a lot of UFO sightings over

648
00:38:39,119 --> 00:38:42,239
the years, but the reality is it's generally twenty to

649
00:38:42,360 --> 00:38:45,519
thirty years of secret development before it goes public.

650
00:38:46,079 --> 00:38:49,800
Speaker 3: For example, the.

651
00:38:48,360 --> 00:38:52,679
Speaker 6: The F one one seven, the stealth fighter, I think,

652
00:38:52,840 --> 00:38:56,280
was first flew in nineteen seventy five, but it didn't

653
00:38:56,320 --> 00:39:00,599
actually go public to the world until the Gulf War

654
00:39:01,519 --> 00:39:04,119
was what nineteen ninety one, So they you had like

655
00:39:04,119 --> 00:39:06,440
a fifteen year to sixteen year gap, and I think

656
00:39:06,519 --> 00:39:09,719
that's probably twenty years. But this is this is an

657
00:39:09,800 --> 00:39:12,119
argument that doesn't add up to me, the stealth argument,

658
00:39:12,400 --> 00:39:17,320
because stealth does not operate anything like what we experience

659
00:39:17,639 --> 00:39:21,119
with genuine UFO sightings. What I mean by genuine UFO

660
00:39:21,239 --> 00:39:25,400
sightings over the last seventy years of research, you basically

661
00:39:25,519 --> 00:39:29,960
can say that this about the genuine UFO ie T

662
00:39:30,599 --> 00:39:34,920
that they have the ability to make instant acceleration, instant

663
00:39:35,000 --> 00:39:40,119
stop reversals, instant reversal in flight, so you go forward

664
00:39:40,159 --> 00:39:43,199
and then back on the same track, ninety degree right

665
00:39:43,239 --> 00:39:47,800
angle turns, the ability to make high speed vertical jumps,

666
00:39:48,360 --> 00:39:50,360
so ten thousand feet in a matter of a couple

667
00:39:50,400 --> 00:39:52,719
of seconds in the blink of an eye, straight up

668
00:39:52,719 --> 00:39:56,920
in the sky. Similarly, they can do dissent a high

669
00:39:56,920 --> 00:39:59,960
speed ten thousand feet in a couple of seconds straight.

670
00:39:59,760 --> 00:40:00,559
Speaker 3: Down to the ground.

671
00:40:00,920 --> 00:40:04,599
Speaker 6: They have the ability to render themselves visible and invisible,

672
00:40:04,960 --> 00:40:09,119
and generally most of the time there is no noise whatsoever,

673
00:40:09,400 --> 00:40:13,519
even at close quarter. So those are the general characteristics

674
00:40:13,519 --> 00:40:16,039
of what I would call genuine ETEA craft. Well, when

675
00:40:16,079 --> 00:40:19,559
you look at stellth aircraft, what do they do? They

676
00:40:19,639 --> 00:40:23,679
have a runway, they take off on wheels. They have wings.

677
00:40:23,719 --> 00:40:26,280
However funny shape they are, they still have wings. They

678
00:40:26,320 --> 00:40:30,480
generally have a tail configuration of some kind, and basically

679
00:40:30,559 --> 00:40:34,360
stealth just means it's hard on radar to pick them up.

680
00:40:34,719 --> 00:40:37,519
They still fly like a plane. They can't stop in

681
00:40:37,639 --> 00:40:40,719
mid air. They can't move at slow speeds, as a

682
00:40:40,760 --> 00:40:42,760
lot of people have said. In fact, I was looking

683
00:40:42,760 --> 00:40:46,440
at watching a documentary today and the top aviation official

684
00:40:46,800 --> 00:40:51,079
said a stealth aircraft like a Beta or whatever, they

685
00:40:51,119 --> 00:40:53,480
would stall at slow speed and drop out the sky

686
00:40:53,800 --> 00:40:57,559
because they need thrust to keep going. Well, genuine UFOs

687
00:40:57,639 --> 00:41:01,039
don't do that. They don't just accelerate like a car

688
00:41:01,079 --> 00:41:02,159
and get faster and faster.

689
00:41:02,480 --> 00:41:07,559
Speaker 3: They just go bank bank, gone stop, gone stop. Yeah,

690
00:41:07,840 --> 00:41:09,039
can do anything like that.

691
00:41:09,079 --> 00:41:10,920
Speaker 5: I suppose the closest we had to that was the

692
00:41:10,920 --> 00:41:13,840
old Herrea, which we wish we've no muffbolled.

693
00:41:14,280 --> 00:41:16,199
Speaker 6: Yeah, but if you ever stood next to a harrier,

694
00:41:16,599 --> 00:41:21,440
you know about it. Nois well absolutely, and it's like

695
00:41:21,480 --> 00:41:24,719
a helicopter. They still make loads of noise. So when

696
00:41:24,800 --> 00:41:28,800
people are saying that we're looking at huge triangle objects

697
00:41:28,920 --> 00:41:31,679
just above tree top level but making no noise, the

698
00:41:31,719 --> 00:41:34,760
size of a football pitch, and you've got multiple witnesses,

699
00:41:35,039 --> 00:41:37,480
then I think we have to start listening to these people,

700
00:41:37,639 --> 00:41:39,519
because a lot of the police officers that have come

701
00:41:39,559 --> 00:41:42,320
to me over the years are reporting exactly that. One

702
00:41:42,400 --> 00:41:45,199
such case, an officer said to me, I was with

703
00:41:45,280 --> 00:41:50,239
my uniform colleague and we saw a huge black triangle object,

704
00:41:50,639 --> 00:41:53,559
no noise, at about fifty feet height and it was

705
00:41:53,559 --> 00:41:55,039
the size of three football fields.

706
00:41:55,039 --> 00:41:57,519
Speaker 3: And that says three football fields. Come on, how do

707
00:41:57,559 --> 00:41:57,760
you know.

708
00:41:57,760 --> 00:42:00,000
Speaker 6: It's the size of three football fields? And he says,

709
00:42:00,039 --> 00:42:02,440
because we saw it above three football fields. And I says,

710
00:42:02,480 --> 00:42:05,800
that's a good answer. And that's called validation in terms

711
00:42:05,840 --> 00:42:08,599
of police officer. When somebody says to you, you bounce

712
00:42:08,639 --> 00:42:11,320
it back, yeah, at ten o'clock. How do you know

713
00:42:11,360 --> 00:42:14,039
it was ten o'clock? Yeah, because Coronasha Street had just

714
00:42:14,039 --> 00:42:15,679
gone off at ten o'clock and I went to make

715
00:42:15,719 --> 00:42:16,280
a cup of tea.

716
00:42:16,400 --> 00:42:19,840
Speaker 3: And that's validation to requestion it. And so when somebody

717
00:42:19,840 --> 00:42:20,400
came out.

718
00:42:20,280 --> 00:42:23,119
Speaker 6: And says that to you, it was above three football fields,

719
00:42:23,119 --> 00:42:26,239
then we really should be listening to these people, But

720
00:42:26,360 --> 00:42:29,480
unfortunately the mainstream are not interested. And I think that

721
00:42:29,599 --> 00:42:33,519
is very much down to certain governments. America the most

722
00:42:33,519 --> 00:42:38,719
secretive government in the world on UFOs, closely followed by Britain.

723
00:42:38,960 --> 00:42:44,199
Because of our special inverted fingers relationship that we've had

724
00:42:44,280 --> 00:42:47,039
all these years, we very much tore the line with America.

725
00:42:47,079 --> 00:42:50,199
But if you went to South America, like I've spoken

726
00:42:50,199 --> 00:42:53,920
in Brazil, you have thousands of people interested who will

727
00:42:53,960 --> 00:42:57,480
queue up for conferences, and you will have representatives of

728
00:42:57,559 --> 00:43:02,480
the military. Jajea Vard in Brazil and his team of

729
00:43:02,519 --> 00:43:08,599
researchers actually sit down at ministerial level with the Brazilian

730
00:43:09,000 --> 00:43:13,360
Defense Minister and the top people in the Brazilian Air

731
00:43:13,400 --> 00:43:16,639
Force to talk about and discuss the release of cases.

732
00:43:16,840 --> 00:43:18,639
Speaker 3: Well, that doesn't exist.

733
00:43:18,320 --> 00:43:20,679
Speaker 6: Really anywhere else in the country, but you have had

734
00:43:20,719 --> 00:43:25,639
official reports by the likes of Chile, Peru, Uruguay, Mexico,

735
00:43:26,199 --> 00:43:30,599
completely different attitude. Many of those countries would openly say

736
00:43:30,880 --> 00:43:34,599
our air forces have studied them and they basically conclude

737
00:43:34,760 --> 00:43:35,639
they're not stealth.

738
00:43:35,760 --> 00:43:36,840
Speaker 3: We're looking at et.

739
00:43:37,199 --> 00:43:40,559
Speaker 4: Okay talking about that. Mazzi's in the chat room and

740
00:43:40,599 --> 00:43:44,480
he said, what are your views on alien races? Do

741
00:43:44,559 --> 00:43:46,840
you believe in any and if so, which ones?

742
00:43:49,079 --> 00:43:54,519
Speaker 6: Well, yes, if I believe that UFO's visiting and engaging

743
00:43:54,559 --> 00:43:57,679
the planet Earth. There must be somebody something inside it.

744
00:43:58,239 --> 00:44:02,119
I personally have never met an alien, had any contact.

745
00:44:02,440 --> 00:44:05,239
I'm not an abductee. I've never had an experience, but

746
00:44:05,280 --> 00:44:06,440
I know many people are.

747
00:44:06,760 --> 00:44:09,559
Speaker 3: I know many researchers who investigate those claims.

748
00:44:10,639 --> 00:44:14,920
Speaker 6: Whilst some people I think are drawn to the abduction

749
00:44:15,039 --> 00:44:19,079
phenomenon because they want to be included and may have

750
00:44:19,119 --> 00:44:22,599
some psychological issues, the vast majority of people that do

751
00:44:22,719 --> 00:44:25,599
so are genuine. They've had an experience, and there are

752
00:44:25,639 --> 00:44:29,000
so many commonalities all around the world, and I still

753
00:44:29,079 --> 00:44:32,719
know some of the top researchers. Dave Hodrien, who runs

754
00:44:32,760 --> 00:44:35,360
the Birmingham UFO group, I would regard him as Britain's

755
00:44:35,679 --> 00:44:37,199
leading abduction researcher.

756
00:44:37,440 --> 00:44:40,199
Speaker 3: He's investigated something like one hundred and.

757
00:44:39,880 --> 00:44:43,519
Speaker 6: Fifty cases in Britain and from around the world over

758
00:44:43,519 --> 00:44:45,920
the last five or six years, and when you hear

759
00:44:46,000 --> 00:44:48,679
his presentations there are so many commonalities.

760
00:44:49,039 --> 00:44:52,679
Speaker 3: Mary Rodwell ex of Leeds, now lives in Australia.

761
00:44:52,880 --> 00:44:55,440
Speaker 6: She's one of the most prominent people dealing with the

762
00:44:55,480 --> 00:44:59,400
abduction experience worldwide. In Australia, she tours around the world

763
00:44:59,440 --> 00:45:02,679
and basically there are again so many commonalities to the

764
00:45:02,719 --> 00:45:07,719
abduction experience. How can it be that people in the

765
00:45:07,760 --> 00:45:13,119
third world, who don't have access to the media, TV, radio, newspapers, etc.

766
00:45:14,079 --> 00:45:17,159
We are more or less report in the same kind

767
00:45:17,199 --> 00:45:20,880
of thing that they have an experience. They have what's

768
00:45:20,920 --> 00:45:24,840
called missing time. A number of minutes disappear, hours, minutes.

769
00:45:25,480 --> 00:45:29,400
They find themselves in a room being experimented on by

770
00:45:29,760 --> 00:45:33,400
small creatures. Not always small creatures. There are many different

771
00:45:33,599 --> 00:45:37,840
species allegedly out there. But this is not my personal

772
00:45:37,920 --> 00:45:42,280
area because I see my personal area with upology is

773
00:45:42,320 --> 00:45:47,920
trying to bring to the outside world the best credible evidence.

774
00:45:48,360 --> 00:45:50,440
If you were to go down the high street with

775
00:45:50,480 --> 00:45:54,440
a microphone and say have listened to this pilot report

776
00:45:54,440 --> 00:45:57,800
about UFOs, they'd be interested because they're going to associate

777
00:45:57,840 --> 00:46:00,360
with a pilot. But if you said to somebody, well

778
00:46:00,480 --> 00:46:03,039
do you believe in alien implants? People are just going

779
00:46:03,119 --> 00:46:05,199
to laugh at you and say you're an utter because

780
00:46:05,320 --> 00:46:08,119
there's too much information and it's too far off the

781
00:46:08,159 --> 00:46:09,440
credibility scale.

782
00:46:09,679 --> 00:46:14,360
Speaker 3: So I come at it from a very evidential basis.

783
00:46:14,719 --> 00:46:20,039
Speaker 6: You know, radar ground trace elements that are recording indentations

784
00:46:20,039 --> 00:46:23,039
on the ground, things that can be physical, that's something

785
00:46:23,159 --> 00:46:28,159
landed there, etc. And that's my sphere of youuthologies it were.

786
00:46:28,639 --> 00:46:30,719
But yes, I'm asked this all the time, but it's

787
00:46:30,760 --> 00:46:33,079
not my expertise and I leave it to people like

788
00:46:33,360 --> 00:46:36,639
Dave Audren Barry Rodwell to do those kind of things.

789
00:46:37,159 --> 00:46:41,960
Speaker 4: Okay, Now, as an experienced investigator and on the evidence available,

790
00:46:42,400 --> 00:46:46,400
do you find Roswell and Renders some credible and why

791
00:46:46,559 --> 00:46:49,199
choose those locations?

792
00:46:49,960 --> 00:46:52,559
Speaker 6: Well, I think I've answered that earlier because the why

793
00:46:52,599 --> 00:46:56,239
did Roswell happen? Like I say, get your globe, get

794
00:46:56,239 --> 00:46:58,760
a dart board and throw it at the globe, and

795
00:46:58,800 --> 00:47:02,719
I tell you what you want hit anywhere near Roswell.

796
00:47:03,000 --> 00:47:05,639
But that's what happened in nineteen forty seven, in July

797
00:47:05,760 --> 00:47:10,079
nineteen forty seven, and whined Roswell, New Mexico because it

798
00:47:10,199 --> 00:47:14,679
was the first atomic bomb squadron And where was it

799
00:47:14,639 --> 00:47:18,159
in Roswell, New Mexico? Water coincidence, middle of nowhere.

800
00:47:18,480 --> 00:47:18,880
Speaker 3: So there's a.

801
00:47:18,880 --> 00:47:22,559
Speaker 6: Different correlation as to why UF force turned up there.

802
00:47:22,920 --> 00:47:26,400
So I think that answers that one rendols from forest Roswell.

803
00:47:26,440 --> 00:47:28,679
Speaker 3: I do believe was et related.

804
00:47:28,960 --> 00:47:31,480
Speaker 6: There's far too many people gone on the record that

805
00:47:31,719 --> 00:47:35,920
the US Air Force lied repeatedly and tried to play

806
00:47:36,039 --> 00:47:40,239
down and even when they did two explanations in the

807
00:47:40,360 --> 00:47:44,280
late nineties, each one didn't stand up to scrutiny i e.

808
00:47:44,440 --> 00:47:47,440
The weather Bloo when the crash test dummies explanations were

809
00:47:47,440 --> 00:47:48,559
found to not add up.

810
00:47:48,960 --> 00:47:50,519
Speaker 3: So I don't think that at all.

811
00:47:50,599 --> 00:47:54,280
Speaker 6: I think the Ufair Force have pretty much lied throughout

812
00:47:54,320 --> 00:47:58,400
all of this, and especially if you investigate Project blue Book,

813
00:47:58,679 --> 00:48:00,599
they played lip service to it.

814
00:48:00,719 --> 00:48:02,719
Speaker 3: Apart from the very early years.

815
00:48:03,000 --> 00:48:07,280
Speaker 6: Of forty seven to forty nine what was called Project Sign,

816
00:48:07,360 --> 00:48:11,039
which then became Project Grudge, which then became Project blue Book.

817
00:48:11,199 --> 00:48:16,360
Project Sign was the most investigative period of genuine research

818
00:48:16,400 --> 00:48:19,639
into the subject. And in the first year, after a

819
00:48:19,679 --> 00:48:25,440
twelvemonth in investigation, they came up with what's called the

820
00:48:25,559 --> 00:48:28,840
Estimate of the situation, and that was a report that

821
00:48:28,920 --> 00:48:32,920
went to General Vandenberg, and it basically.

822
00:48:32,559 --> 00:48:35,239
Speaker 3: Said, when we concluded.

823
00:48:34,679 --> 00:48:37,840
Speaker 6: Are looking at about oney twelve hundred cases over the

824
00:48:37,840 --> 00:48:42,760
preceding year, we think that this is almost certainly interplanetary.

825
00:48:43,480 --> 00:48:46,159
Now that was the term in the forties, not extraterrestrial

826
00:48:46,199 --> 00:48:49,000
as we've used now. Into planetary was the phrase of

827
00:48:49,039 --> 00:48:51,719
the day, but it meant the same thing. Vandenberg says,

828
00:48:51,719 --> 00:48:54,840
I ain't taking this to the president and basically ordered

829
00:48:55,039 --> 00:48:57,639
all copies to be destroyed. How do we know it

830
00:48:57,719 --> 00:49:02,079
exists because again, who wrote a very famous book called

831
00:49:02,639 --> 00:49:06,039
The Reporter, and I'd identified flying sources in nineteen fifty

832
00:49:06,079 --> 00:49:09,880
six was a guy called Captain Edward Ruppolt, and he

833
00:49:10,000 --> 00:49:13,280
ran Project Blue Book for a couple of years in

834
00:49:13,320 --> 00:49:16,679
the early fifties, and he said that he saw copy.

835
00:49:17,360 --> 00:49:20,159
So one copy of that report did exist, and he

836
00:49:20,320 --> 00:49:23,400
went public in his book, and it's a very famous book.

837
00:49:23,440 --> 00:49:25,559
So we know it existed, and we know that it

838
00:49:25,599 --> 00:49:29,800
concluded interplanetary and it was not bad. I think there's

839
00:49:29,840 --> 00:49:36,840
maybe good reasons why governments have kept quiet about it, because, let's,

840
00:49:36,840 --> 00:49:39,920
for example, America likes to think that it's the most

841
00:49:40,199 --> 00:49:46,320
biggest superpower with huge influence all around the world, with

842
00:49:46,519 --> 00:49:50,760
hundreds of thousands, if not millions of people worldwide. Americans

843
00:49:50,800 --> 00:49:54,840
been involved in the armament industries, supporting lots of jobs

844
00:49:54,840 --> 00:50:00,119
and families, et cetera, et cetera. Well would be why

845
00:50:00,360 --> 00:50:03,519
for Barack Obama to stand up on the White House

846
00:50:03,599 --> 00:50:07,199
lawn and say, well, actually, we've known about these things

847
00:50:07,199 --> 00:50:10,360
for sixty seventy years. We can't get anywhere near them.

848
00:50:10,840 --> 00:50:14,920
Were actually totally vulnerable to them. Our technology is far

849
00:50:15,920 --> 00:50:17,119
inferior to theirs.

850
00:50:17,480 --> 00:50:18,360
Speaker 3: Is he going to do that?

851
00:50:18,440 --> 00:50:21,719
Speaker 6: Because all those armament contracts from around the world, supporting

852
00:50:21,760 --> 00:50:24,639
thousands of jobs would not be then worth the paper

853
00:50:24,679 --> 00:50:27,719
they're written on. So that's one of the reasons why

854
00:50:27,800 --> 00:50:31,800
people at very high level dot come forward because they

855
00:50:31,800 --> 00:50:33,960
don't want to admit that actually these things can go

856
00:50:34,280 --> 00:50:37,960
come and go with impunity and there's nothing we can

857
00:50:38,000 --> 00:50:38,480
do about it.

858
00:50:39,079 --> 00:50:40,559
Speaker 4: Okay, Steve, Yeah.

859
00:50:40,599 --> 00:50:45,519
Speaker 5: When it comes to Rendelsham kind of holds evidence should

860
00:50:45,519 --> 00:50:49,599
be the most believable, considering the tape and a notebook,

861
00:50:49,599 --> 00:50:51,960
but he seems to have changed and added to his

862
00:50:52,039 --> 00:50:55,519
original evidence over the years, and yet Larry Robins has

863
00:50:55,639 --> 00:50:59,159
fiercely stuck by what he says happened on that night.

864
00:50:59,480 --> 00:51:00,239
Why do you say that?

865
00:51:00,400 --> 00:51:08,480
Speaker 6: Is well, if anybody has noted the UFO Truth Magazine.

866
00:51:09,800 --> 00:51:13,239
Speaker 3: Facebook page. On my Facebook page, I put a.

867
00:51:15,920 --> 00:51:22,440
Speaker 6: Statement about the forthcoming Colonel Holt lecture at Woodbridge, which

868
00:51:22,599 --> 00:51:26,920
was like ten days ago now, and basically I said

869
00:51:27,000 --> 00:51:30,719
that I'd ended my association with Colonel Holt after seven

870
00:51:30,800 --> 00:51:33,719
years of working with him to develop a film script,

871
00:51:33,760 --> 00:51:36,719
a viable film script which I was writing in collaboration

872
00:51:36,880 --> 00:51:40,320
with him, because of his attitude and the way he

873
00:51:40,440 --> 00:51:45,760
treated Larry Warren, and it's it's I think it's he's

874
00:51:45,800 --> 00:51:50,400
left himself wide open for legal redress. Larry Warren is

875
00:51:50,400 --> 00:51:53,280
a friend of mine. I regarded Holt as a friend

876
00:51:53,280 --> 00:51:57,159
of mine, but I could not stand by and letting.

877
00:51:57,000 --> 00:51:59,719
Speaker 3: Burrate somebody who actually believe was involved.

878
00:52:00,159 --> 00:52:03,079
Speaker 6: And what you must understand is that Larry Warren was

879
00:52:03,119 --> 00:52:07,119
the original whistleblower who was in the public domain for

880
00:52:07,199 --> 00:52:11,920
ten years a loan, totally alone in the world talking

881
00:52:11,960 --> 00:52:16,000
about rendallstrom Forrest, in the public domain to the press

882
00:52:16,079 --> 00:52:19,840
for ten years before any of the new principal witnesses

883
00:52:19,920 --> 00:52:23,920
like Hault, Peniston, Jim John Borrows came out.

884
00:52:23,960 --> 00:52:24,159
Speaker 3: Etc.

885
00:52:24,920 --> 00:52:29,679
Speaker 6: Now, whatever did he make mistakes? Larry did make mistakes,

886
00:52:29,679 --> 00:52:31,880
But why did he make mistakes? Because he was nineteen

887
00:52:32,320 --> 00:52:35,079
when he got involved in what was a very bizarre

888
00:52:35,159 --> 00:52:38,519
set of events. Now, where I take issue is that

889
00:52:39,079 --> 00:52:44,079
Colonel Holt as the senior officer who saw multiple UFOs

890
00:52:44,400 --> 00:52:48,559
himself and has recorded great evidence with the Halt Memorandum

891
00:52:48,559 --> 00:52:52,239
as piece to documentary written evidence. The tape is a

892
00:52:52,239 --> 00:52:54,159
piece of physical evidence you're produced in.

893
00:52:54,079 --> 00:52:54,840
Speaker 3: A court of law.

894
00:52:56,239 --> 00:53:00,960
Speaker 6: That's all well and good, but in reality, far from

895
00:53:01,079 --> 00:53:04,920
bringing witnesses and encouraging witnesses to come out of the woodwork,

896
00:53:05,880 --> 00:53:09,519
it seems to me that he is actually causing people

897
00:53:09,599 --> 00:53:14,000
not to come forward because people just see the infighting

898
00:53:14,079 --> 00:53:17,119
that's going on, and that for me, is wrong, that

899
00:53:17,199 --> 00:53:20,159
policy is wrong, and why he has got a real

900
00:53:20,199 --> 00:53:22,960
downer on Larry Warren. He said to me that he's

901
00:53:22,960 --> 00:53:25,840
got lots of evidence against Larry Warren. So I said, well,

902
00:53:25,840 --> 00:53:27,840
if you've got evidence, put it out there and the

903
00:53:27,880 --> 00:53:29,719
evidence will fall where it falls.

904
00:53:30,000 --> 00:53:30,920
Speaker 3: But he never does.

905
00:53:31,119 --> 00:53:35,199
Speaker 6: And again, having heard his lecture and seeing the video,

906
00:53:36,039 --> 00:53:41,840
he makes terrible accusations without presenting a shred of evidence

907
00:53:41,840 --> 00:53:45,079
to back them up, and I think he's left himself

908
00:53:45,079 --> 00:53:48,119
open to legal redress and I find that very disappointed.

909
00:53:48,360 --> 00:53:51,440
But the rendel from Forest case is great. He adds

910
00:53:51,480 --> 00:53:55,840
to it in the sense that wouldridge. He mentioned that

911
00:53:55,920 --> 00:53:58,920
he got statements from radar operators. Well, I think the

912
00:53:58,960 --> 00:54:02,480
reality is he'd can get the statements that it was

913
00:54:03,000 --> 00:54:06,199
Robert Hastings, the researcher who wrote the book UFOs and

914
00:54:06,320 --> 00:54:11,920
Nukes who identified and got to the radar operators. They're

915
00:54:11,960 --> 00:54:14,239
in that book, so you can get that. And it's

916
00:54:14,360 --> 00:54:17,559
very good statements that have come out. And that's very

917
00:54:17,599 --> 00:54:21,280
interesting because it confirms very definitely that there was the

918
00:54:21,400 --> 00:54:26,400
UFO recorded on radar and seen visually by these radar

919
00:54:26,440 --> 00:54:29,400
operators over the base at the time of the incidents.

920
00:54:29,760 --> 00:54:34,360
So that's a different department. It's not just one department.

921
00:54:34,719 --> 00:54:37,320
It's now branched over into a different section of the

922
00:54:37,360 --> 00:54:40,480
Air Force, air traffic control. So that's a major step forward.

923
00:54:40,800 --> 00:54:43,079
So evidentally, things are still coming out.

924
00:54:43,920 --> 00:54:47,360
Speaker 5: Can I intrupt you for a second? That radio operation

925
00:54:47,519 --> 00:54:52,920
is on both notes or just one? Sorry said that again,

926
00:54:53,079 --> 00:54:56,400
the evidence from the radar people is on both notes

927
00:54:56,519 --> 00:54:59,639
or just one because it was over two nights, wasn't it.

928
00:55:00,039 --> 00:55:03,280
Speaker 6: I understanding goes and I've emailed one of them to

929
00:55:03,320 --> 00:55:05,639
try to get him to come forward more publicly, but

930
00:55:05,920 --> 00:55:09,039
he basically only went public for the book. But their

931
00:55:09,119 --> 00:55:12,119
names are in there, their statements are in there. They

932
00:55:12,119 --> 00:55:14,519
are kind of shy because they don't want this media

933
00:55:14,599 --> 00:55:17,719
circus around them, and you can't really blame anybody for

934
00:55:18,639 --> 00:55:20,880
that because their lives would never be the same if

935
00:55:20,920 --> 00:55:24,320
they go on TV, etc. In the same way that Holpe.

936
00:55:24,559 --> 00:55:27,320
When I first met Holp in two thousand and seven,

937
00:55:27,440 --> 00:55:30,000
I said, you've had a fantastic career. I said, but

938
00:55:30,119 --> 00:55:32,559
when you die, you're not going to be remembered for

939
00:55:32,599 --> 00:55:35,840
your military career. You're going to die. You'll be remembered

940
00:55:35,880 --> 00:55:38,079
for one thing, and that's Rendles from Forest. So you

941
00:55:38,599 --> 00:55:41,119
have to kind of come to get to groups with that.

942
00:55:41,480 --> 00:55:46,079
And so's his life changed considerably when in a sense

943
00:55:46,079 --> 00:55:48,519
it came out in nineteen eighty three as a result

944
00:55:48,559 --> 00:55:52,320
of Larry Warren actions that that's what's led and he

945
00:55:52,360 --> 00:55:56,159
always misinterprets that. But as my understanding that that was

946
00:55:56,199 --> 00:55:58,480
not the sequence of events. It was Larry Warren that

947
00:55:58,559 --> 00:56:01,880
got the document that led to the document, the Hope

948
00:56:01,880 --> 00:56:03,119
Memore coming out.

949
00:56:03,079 --> 00:56:04,119
Speaker 3: Through Larry Fawcett.

950
00:56:04,880 --> 00:56:09,000
Speaker 6: But basically, when you look at the case, it still

951
00:56:09,039 --> 00:56:11,320
sounds up to scrutiny, even if you take all the

952
00:56:11,639 --> 00:56:15,639
personalities out of it. You have three successive nights. It's

953
00:56:15,679 --> 00:56:18,960
definitely a nuclear base, which he won't say, but it

954
00:56:19,039 --> 00:56:22,960
definitely is because I worked on two nuclear bases, one

955
00:56:23,000 --> 00:56:26,400
of which was identical in its geographical layout, at Ari

956
00:56:26,559 --> 00:56:30,119
flabru in what was then West Germany between eighty three

957
00:56:30,199 --> 00:56:34,239
and eighty five or eighty five to eighty eight. I

958
00:56:34,360 --> 00:56:38,639
work there, and basically, Larry warrener said it's nuclear And

959
00:56:38,760 --> 00:56:41,039
basically you can tell straight away that it's a nuclear

960
00:56:41,079 --> 00:56:44,800
bunkers weapon storage area. The Americans call it a weapon

961
00:56:44,840 --> 00:56:49,679
storage area. That means nuclear bunkers. They a conventional bond

962
00:56:49,719 --> 00:56:53,159
dump that does not have security police excess of thirty

963
00:56:53,199 --> 00:56:57,719
to forty per night, twenty four hours a day, five

964
00:56:57,760 --> 00:57:01,239
different shifts working on around the clock. You don't get

965
00:57:01,239 --> 00:57:04,000
that with a conventional bondom. So straight away the guarding

966
00:57:04,119 --> 00:57:06,960
something in the bunkers, that's what I did, and it

967
00:57:07,079 --> 00:57:10,800
was the similar figures. And you know, Larry Warren is

968
00:57:10,840 --> 00:57:14,320
the only one to say it's nuclear weapons. The others

969
00:57:14,679 --> 00:57:18,519
stick to this stock phrase of oh well, I can

970
00:57:18,599 --> 00:57:21,719
neither confirm or deny, which is the nick Pope's favorite

971
00:57:21,760 --> 00:57:22,760
line in this.

972
00:57:23,039 --> 00:57:25,280
Speaker 3: But realistically they're all playing politics.

973
00:57:25,440 --> 00:57:28,679
Speaker 6: The reality is they won't say it for one very

974
00:57:28,719 --> 00:57:31,440
simple reason. I know for a fact, and I was

975
00:57:31,519 --> 00:57:33,679
told this, and I could leave you to work this out.

976
00:57:33,920 --> 00:57:34,559
Speaker 3: Who told me.

977
00:57:35,199 --> 00:57:37,119
Speaker 6: I can tell you for a fact that there were

978
00:57:37,159 --> 00:57:41,840
more nuclear weapons in the Bentwaters Woodbridge storage area than

979
00:57:42,039 --> 00:57:46,039
anywhere else in Europe. And the real answer why it

980
00:57:46,159 --> 00:57:49,840
never comes out to that effect is because it broke

981
00:57:50,039 --> 00:57:54,239
all the international nuclear arms treaties because everybody thought that

982
00:57:54,320 --> 00:57:57,119
the nuclear weapons were at Greenham Common. Do you remember

983
00:57:57,239 --> 00:57:59,960
years gone by there was the Peace campaign and protested

984
00:58:00,119 --> 00:58:03,400
everywhere about cruising missiles going into Greenham Common, which want

985
00:58:03,440 --> 00:58:06,079
a million miles aware, and all the time people were

986
00:58:06,159 --> 00:58:09,880
laughing at bent Was and Woodbridge because the nuclear weapons

987
00:58:09,920 --> 00:58:12,320
were there, and there were more nuclear weapons there than

988
00:58:12,400 --> 00:58:13,480
anywhere else in Europe.

989
00:58:13,679 --> 00:58:14,920
Speaker 3: Broke all the agreements.

990
00:58:15,079 --> 00:58:19,920
Speaker 6: Now that is then a major political dynamite question and

991
00:58:20,039 --> 00:58:24,239
that's why the higher echelon's witnesses do not come out.

992
00:58:24,400 --> 00:58:26,840
Speaker 3: But that's the reality. This is about nuclear weapons.

993
00:58:27,159 --> 00:58:31,199
Speaker 6: And this is what's often missed when you get TV companies,

994
00:58:31,280 --> 00:58:35,760
mainstream TV companies making a documentary. They don't show you

995
00:58:35,840 --> 00:58:37,920
all the evidence. They show you a bit of the evidence.

996
00:58:38,440 --> 00:58:41,079
They don't show you the most telling parts of it.

997
00:58:41,199 --> 00:58:43,960
They don't show you that radiar evidence that's been out

998
00:58:44,239 --> 00:58:47,159
for the last four or five years at least, but

999
00:58:47,239 --> 00:58:50,719
nobody's made a documentary on that and bring that extra

1000
00:58:50,760 --> 00:58:54,000
to it. People are still talking about the lighthouse when

1001
00:58:54,039 --> 00:58:56,880
it was never a lighthouse. How can a lighthouse stop

1002
00:58:56,920 --> 00:58:59,480
above halt at a thousand feet and shine a beam

1003
00:58:59,519 --> 00:59:02,840
down to his which he and his colleague saw. How

1004
00:59:02,840 --> 00:59:04,559
can the flying lighthouse do that?

1005
00:59:04,559 --> 00:59:06,480
Speaker 3: It's ridiculous, But every.

1006
00:59:06,239 --> 00:59:10,639
Speaker 6: Mainstream documentary still goes about it, every newspaper still goes

1007
00:59:10,679 --> 00:59:11,360
on about it.

1008
00:59:11,360 --> 00:59:12,519
Speaker 3: It's an absolute joke.

1009
00:59:12,760 --> 00:59:15,760
Speaker 6: So when people talk about Rendolstrom, they're not getting the

1010
00:59:15,800 --> 00:59:19,000
best evidence. If I did the documentary about rendolstroon forest,

1011
00:59:19,440 --> 00:59:22,199
the lighthouse wouldn't appear anywhere in it, or if it did,

1012
00:59:22,400 --> 00:59:24,400
he would be kicked out in the first minute because

1013
00:59:24,440 --> 00:59:27,639
it didn't stand up to scrutiny. And you get people

1014
00:59:27,679 --> 00:59:31,000
like Dr David Clark coming out and saying, oh, you

1015
00:59:31,159 --> 00:59:34,039
listen to the tape that he made always says yes,

1016
00:59:34,119 --> 00:59:37,360
it's there, and five seconds, yes it is. The reality

1017
00:59:37,480 --> 00:59:39,559
is he was out there for four and a half hours.

1018
00:59:39,920 --> 00:59:43,599
I defy anybody to look at the field and go, oh,

1019
00:59:43,679 --> 00:59:48,199
there's a light over there. Oh there's a light over there.

1020
00:59:49,280 --> 00:59:51,800
Oh there's a light over there, every five seconds without

1021
00:59:51,920 --> 00:59:54,800
going well that lights every five seconds, I think that's

1022
00:59:54,800 --> 00:59:55,480
a lighthouse.

1023
00:59:55,639 --> 00:59:57,920
Speaker 3: I'll tell you what they're looking at a lighthouse? Are they?

1024
00:59:58,079 --> 01:00:01,440
Speaker 6: It's ridiculous, but the TV put it in a spin.

1025
01:00:01,800 --> 01:00:04,599
The reality is Reynolds's Reformed is arguably the best case

1026
01:00:04,639 --> 01:00:07,679
in the world in terms of that. It's three successive nights,

1027
01:00:08,159 --> 01:00:12,199
different shifts of aim and involved numerous military wellitnesses, many

1028
01:00:12,239 --> 01:00:15,599
of which are still in those shadows yet to come

1029
01:00:15,639 --> 01:00:18,559
out because they see all this, who are and ridicules

1030
01:00:18,599 --> 01:00:21,880
Still that persists in the media, But it's it's got

1031
01:00:22,119 --> 01:00:25,960
ground trace evidence background radiation eight times above. It had

1032
01:00:26,159 --> 01:00:29,440
three indentations in the ground and thet and the guide

1033
01:00:29,559 --> 01:00:33,519
counter only peaked in each of the indentations, not next

1034
01:00:33,519 --> 01:00:36,480
to it, but in the peak, and one blast area

1035
01:00:36,639 --> 01:00:41,320
directly in the center of the triangle. Now that it's

1036
01:00:41,360 --> 01:00:44,000
not about how much it peaked, it's about the fact

1037
01:00:44,039 --> 01:00:48,440
that there was a change your counter. Take it out

1038
01:00:48,440 --> 01:00:50,960
of the pod, go to the next pod. The indentation

1039
01:00:51,079 --> 01:00:57,519
that means that something materially affected the background radiation. There

1040
01:00:57,559 --> 01:01:00,840
were trees broken, Something came through and punched its way

1041
01:01:01,199 --> 01:01:04,320
either up or down through the canopy of the trees.

1042
01:01:04,480 --> 01:01:06,639
When Holt looked up, he could see a hole in

1043
01:01:06,760 --> 01:01:09,360
the canopy of the trees where the objects had took

1044
01:01:09,360 --> 01:01:10,920
off and gone off up into the sky.

1045
01:01:11,280 --> 01:01:14,239
Speaker 3: Numerous objects seen to the north, numerous objects seen to

1046
01:01:14,239 --> 01:01:14,639
the south.

1047
01:01:14,880 --> 01:01:18,480
Speaker 6: Beams being shone down into the nuclear weapons storage area.

1048
01:01:18,719 --> 01:01:22,000
I'll tell you what, when we talk about Reynolson, Colonel

1049
01:01:22,039 --> 01:01:25,119
Holt did mention. He mentioned something I didn't know. I

1050
01:01:25,239 --> 01:01:27,519
knew that there were people on the ground walking around

1051
01:01:27,639 --> 01:01:30,320
machine guns in a weapon storage area because I'd done

1052
01:01:30,320 --> 01:01:33,119
that job myself, so I knew that there were more witnesses,

1053
01:01:33,320 --> 01:01:35,599
and he acknowledged there were more witnesses. But what he

1054
01:01:35,639 --> 01:01:39,159
actually said during that lecture, which I'd never heard ever before,

1055
01:01:39,159 --> 01:01:41,239
and I'd love him to answer it, he said that

1056
01:01:41,280 --> 01:01:43,880
he got statements from two of those people in the

1057
01:01:43,880 --> 01:01:47,840
weapon storage area on the ground. Well, nobody's ever said

1058
01:01:47,840 --> 01:01:50,800
that before, So he either that's either telling the truth

1059
01:01:51,119 --> 01:01:54,400
or he's hiding some part of the information. If those

1060
01:01:54,400 --> 01:01:57,559
statements are indeed have been taken, you should be releasing

1061
01:01:57,559 --> 01:02:00,800
those asap, because that would add a lot more vital

1062
01:02:00,840 --> 01:02:04,199
evidence to beams being shone down into nuclear weapons story.

1063
01:02:04,280 --> 01:02:08,400
Speaker 4: Jerry, Okay, we got Mozzi back. He's asking a delicate

1064
01:02:08,480 --> 01:02:12,000
question to you, have you ever been threatened by anybody

1065
01:02:12,039 --> 01:02:18,440
directly or indirectly to keep you quiet. No, No, that's

1066
01:02:18,440 --> 01:02:19,360
the easiest wonder that.

1067
01:02:19,840 --> 01:02:23,960
Speaker 6: The only thing that I got was over a period

1068
01:02:24,000 --> 01:02:26,599
of time in the last five or six years of

1069
01:02:26,599 --> 01:02:28,920
my police career, I started to have a lot more

1070
01:02:29,000 --> 01:02:33,400
hassle subtly within the police force. But nobody ever said

1071
01:02:33,400 --> 01:02:35,960
to me, don't do this else your career.

1072
01:02:36,039 --> 01:02:37,079
Speaker 3: Is this now? Okay?

1073
01:02:37,559 --> 01:02:40,760
Speaker 4: What are your views on UFO related subjects such as

1074
01:02:40,920 --> 01:02:45,880
animal mutilations, tubercarbra crop patterns. They've even said that maybe

1075
01:02:45,880 --> 01:02:51,039
Bigfoot is an extraterrestrial. It goes on to also ghost

1076
01:02:51,119 --> 01:02:54,519
riders question from earlier, what do you think about the

1077
01:02:54,559 --> 01:02:57,880
strange noises that we hear that a's worldwide? Do you

1078
01:02:58,360 --> 01:02:59,880
think they're all connected to UFO.

1079
01:03:01,719 --> 01:03:06,760
Speaker 6: Well, that's about eight questions in one. We'll take the

1080
01:03:06,800 --> 01:03:13,559
first pick. What's under the UFO umbreller. What's definitely under

1081
01:03:13,559 --> 01:03:16,599
the UFO breller is crop circles. There is a correlation.

1082
01:03:16,719 --> 01:03:19,480
I believe many people have seen UFOs in relation to

1083
01:03:19,800 --> 01:03:23,760
crop circles. Most are man made ninety I believe a

1084
01:03:23,840 --> 01:03:26,280
man made but I do think there's a correlation.

1085
01:03:26,440 --> 01:03:28,320
Speaker 3: It's under the umbrella of UFOs.

1086
01:03:28,880 --> 01:03:35,280
Speaker 6: Alien implants, alien abductions, human mutilations, animal mutilations are all

1087
01:03:35,320 --> 01:03:40,519
involved under the UFO umbrella. Definitely, What was the other

1088
01:03:40,599 --> 01:03:44,679
questions that you ask Cuba Cabra. Some people say that's

1089
01:03:45,079 --> 01:03:48,119
creature that's been dropped off by a spaceship, or it's

1090
01:03:48,159 --> 01:03:51,599
an escape from a spaceship, and it might just be

1091
01:03:51,639 --> 01:03:54,360
an animal running free. I had no idea to me,

1092
01:03:55,599 --> 01:03:58,119
I have no knowledge space that. I'll suffice to say

1093
01:03:58,159 --> 01:04:03,159
that I suspect that there are some very strange creatures, bigfoot, yetti.

1094
01:04:03,519 --> 01:04:05,559
I think it's all part of the same thing. I

1095
01:04:05,599 --> 01:04:09,400
do personally believe that there are still yet to be

1096
01:04:09,480 --> 01:04:16,079
found large guerrilla type It's in the very remote areas

1097
01:04:16,119 --> 01:04:19,280
of the world, and I don't think I don't think

1098
01:04:19,320 --> 01:04:22,440
they're personally eat related. But do I believe in bigfoot

1099
01:04:22,639 --> 01:04:26,079
and the yet, Yes, because the circumstantial evidence, the best

1100
01:04:26,079 --> 01:04:32,599
bit of evidence, footprints, casts, hairs, some dnare taken from

1101
01:04:32,679 --> 01:04:35,679
hairs of school caps and things like that would suggest

1102
01:04:35,719 --> 01:04:37,679
that we're dealing with a large primate.

1103
01:04:37,679 --> 01:04:40,000
Speaker 4: And the noises that we hear around the world.

1104
01:04:41,119 --> 01:04:42,440
Speaker 3: This is interesting.

1105
01:04:42,639 --> 01:04:46,639
Speaker 6: Undoubtedly, some may think that it's hoaxes, and maybe some

1106
01:04:46,719 --> 01:04:49,199
have been hoped but there seems to be quite a

1107
01:04:49,239 --> 01:04:50,960
lot of them over the last couple of years from

1108
01:04:51,000 --> 01:04:54,039
all around the world. And when you hear them, they

1109
01:04:54,119 --> 01:05:00,119
all sound strangely similar and they are kind of very eerie.

1110
01:05:00,239 --> 01:05:03,480
I have no idea what they are, suffice to say

1111
01:05:03,519 --> 01:05:05,440
that they appear to be coming from underground.

1112
01:05:06,239 --> 01:05:08,000
Speaker 3: And one thing.

1113
01:05:08,000 --> 01:05:13,119
Speaker 6: That I think we don't realize is, and especially I

1114
01:05:13,119 --> 01:05:16,719
think in America, is that we have the technology to

1115
01:05:16,880 --> 01:05:22,199
build very proficient underground tunnels. There is a lot of

1116
01:05:22,239 --> 01:05:25,960
technology that would say that there are major tunneling systems

1117
01:05:26,239 --> 01:05:29,079
for survival nuclear war, that kind of thing that have

1118
01:05:29,159 --> 01:05:32,599
been developed, and machines have been developed that can bore

1119
01:05:33,159 --> 01:05:39,079
and make vasting roads and connect I suspect underground, very

1120
01:05:39,119 --> 01:05:42,360
deep mile or two miles underground. There may well be

1121
01:05:42,599 --> 01:05:46,159
connections to other Citi's strategic points around the world. So

1122
01:05:46,360 --> 01:05:49,079
if I would hazard, I guess if indeed it's real,

1123
01:05:49,480 --> 01:05:53,960
I think it could be some kind of underground really okay.

1124
01:05:53,599 --> 01:05:57,199
Speaker 4: And when we hear a lot about grays and reptilians

1125
01:05:57,599 --> 01:05:59,079
being part of the government, what do.

1126
01:05:59,039 --> 01:06:02,760
Speaker 3: You think to that, I have no idea.

1127
01:06:02,840 --> 01:06:08,280
Speaker 6: It sounds crazy, you see what I mean? This goes

1128
01:06:08,320 --> 01:06:14,079
into the secret world of need know. Now, if, for example,

1129
01:06:14,639 --> 01:06:18,320
a UFO crashed in nineteen forty seven at Roswell and

1130
01:06:18,440 --> 01:06:21,840
one of the bodies that was allegedly covered survive for

1131
01:06:22,000 --> 01:06:25,719
a time, and there was able to be some limited

1132
01:06:26,079 --> 01:06:32,519
communication between the alien and the interrogators, then who knows

1133
01:06:32,599 --> 01:06:36,199
that somebody'd say, well, if we help you, we or

1134
01:06:36,239 --> 01:06:39,199
if you help us, we will give you certain technology.

1135
01:06:39,280 --> 01:06:42,679
We will give you certain things to help your civilization

1136
01:06:42,800 --> 01:06:48,119
advance more quickly. People speculate that fiber optics, night vision,

1137
01:06:50,280 --> 01:06:53,559
things like that came from reverse engineered things, but it

1138
01:06:53,599 --> 01:06:56,320
may well be that they were given to us in.

1139
01:06:56,320 --> 01:06:57,639
Speaker 3: Some kind of an exchange.

1140
01:06:57,679 --> 01:07:02,760
Speaker 6: Well, a lot of people have speculated with animal mutilations

1141
01:07:02,800 --> 01:07:07,840
that they take you know, put it this way, if

1142
01:07:08,400 --> 01:07:13,239
the argument against animal mutilations being man made is kind

1143
01:07:13,239 --> 01:07:13,920
of ridiculous.

1144
01:07:14,039 --> 01:07:15,400
Speaker 3: If you think about the scale.

1145
01:07:16,000 --> 01:07:18,960
Speaker 6: If you think that in America, a huge, big continent,

1146
01:07:19,440 --> 01:07:23,960
you could seal off the mountain range and have thousands.

1147
01:07:23,519 --> 01:07:24,519
Speaker 3: Of square acres.

1148
01:07:24,840 --> 01:07:27,480
Speaker 6: You could shoot them every day for the next fifty

1149
01:07:27,559 --> 01:07:30,280
years and black them to hell and do experiments to

1150
01:07:31,079 --> 01:07:33,119
millions of cattle and nobody.

1151
01:07:32,760 --> 01:07:35,320
Speaker 3: Would have a clue. So you can do it in

1152
01:07:35,400 --> 01:07:36,320
total secrecy.

1153
01:07:36,360 --> 01:07:38,480
Speaker 6: You don't need to have any who are Why are

1154
01:07:38,519 --> 01:07:41,000
you going to go on to somebody's farm and then

1155
01:07:41,239 --> 01:07:44,559
take fifty of their cattle and then dump them in

1156
01:07:44,679 --> 01:07:49,039
various places. They've all got these surgical marks that are

1157
01:07:49,119 --> 01:07:52,719
very similar, like laser coats with no blood.

1158
01:07:53,079 --> 01:07:54,519
Speaker 3: They're very common.

1159
01:07:54,559 --> 01:07:57,880
Speaker 6: There's very common wounds that are all around the recorded

1160
01:07:57,920 --> 01:07:58,639
all around the world.

1161
01:07:58,719 --> 01:07:59,599
Speaker 3: Why would you do that.

1162
01:07:59,639 --> 01:08:03,079
Speaker 6: You could important down to your heart's content, You don't

1163
01:08:03,159 --> 01:08:04,880
need to do it in this public way.

1164
01:08:05,159 --> 01:08:08,599
Speaker 3: So that takes me to think that they're doing this. Now.

1165
01:08:08,639 --> 01:08:14,639
Speaker 6: There's some speculation that certain amount of mutilations are allowed

1166
01:08:14,679 --> 01:08:20,279
to continue as part of perhaps a genetic ongoing program

1167
01:08:20,279 --> 01:08:23,479
that ET has, and that's why it's occurring, because they

1168
01:08:23,479 --> 01:08:27,079
tend to go to genitalia certain areas of the body.

1169
01:08:27,239 --> 01:08:29,600
Speaker 3: It may well be that that is needed.

1170
01:08:29,840 --> 01:08:33,399
Speaker 6: It sounds transiful, but I suspect that that aspect is real.

1171
01:08:33,640 --> 01:08:36,680
Whether they're in government is I will never know. You

1172
01:08:36,760 --> 01:08:38,680
will never know because we don't have the need to know.

1173
01:08:39,079 --> 01:08:39,840
Speaker 3: Qualification.

1174
01:08:40,199 --> 01:08:43,720
Speaker 4: Okay, what is your best evidence to date based on

1175
01:08:43,840 --> 01:08:48,279
UFO sightings that involve extra restials.

1176
01:08:49,359 --> 01:08:54,000
Speaker 6: Well, I think yeah, I mean in twenty thirteen, I

1177
01:08:54,079 --> 01:08:58,359
gave evidence on behalf of police officers worldwide in Washington,

1178
01:08:58,439 --> 01:09:02,159
DC at what was called the City Hearings, which was

1179
01:09:02,319 --> 01:09:07,439
mock congressional hearings, just two blocks short of the White House,

1180
01:09:07,880 --> 01:09:10,800
at the National Press Club, the same place where all

1181
01:09:10,840 --> 01:09:15,359
the leaders of the world have spoken Nelson, Mandela, Gorbachev,

1182
01:09:15,439 --> 01:09:17,720
et cetera, all the American presidents. So I was at

1183
01:09:17,720 --> 01:09:19,840
the same podium as that, and we're all giving our

1184
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evidence before five former congress men and women and one

1185
01:09:25,840 --> 01:09:29,319
former senator. Together the six of them had eighty years

1186
01:09:29,319 --> 01:09:33,560
of public service, so very experienced panel. And after one

1187
01:09:33,640 --> 01:09:36,680
day of presenting our best evidence or some of our

1188
01:09:36,720 --> 01:09:40,600
best evidents, it lasted for five full days. They stood

1189
01:09:40,680 --> 01:09:43,159
up and they basically said, we've heard enough. Yes, you

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01:09:43,159 --> 01:09:47,479
should have full congressional hearings. They're clearly is et visiting

1191
01:09:47,560 --> 01:09:50,520
or surveill in the earth now. One of those people

1192
01:09:50,520 --> 01:09:54,319
that gave testimony was a guy called Colonel Oscar Santa Maria,

1193
01:09:54,600 --> 01:09:57,760
and he was a Peruvian general, but he was in

1194
01:09:57,800 --> 01:10:01,760
his earlier career he had been a fighter pilot and

1195
01:10:02,359 --> 01:10:06,560
on one occasion he was flying a jet fighter and

1196
01:10:06,800 --> 01:10:10,560
in broad daylight, he was vectored to go to w

1197
01:10:10,600 --> 01:10:13,479
a radar confirmed stationary object.

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Speaker 3: This is broad daylight.

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Speaker 6: And as he approached on an attacking position.

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Speaker 3: As he approached this a.

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Speaker 6: Stationary object, which is very difficult for a pilot because

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01:10:24,039 --> 01:10:27,399
I'm not used to seeing stationary things, he immediately looked

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01:10:27,399 --> 01:10:29,199
at it and thought, oh, this looks like a balloon.

1204
01:10:29,640 --> 01:10:32,880
So he was ordered then to fire his machine guns

1205
01:10:33,319 --> 01:10:37,000
at this what he thought was a balloon. However, when

1206
01:10:37,039 --> 01:10:39,840
he fired his weapons, he hit his target, but the

1207
01:10:39,880 --> 01:10:43,720
bullets did nothing, and then the object suddenly jumped ten

1208
01:10:43,760 --> 01:10:47,640
thousand feet in two thousand in two or three seconds

1209
01:10:47,720 --> 01:10:50,800
up into the air, straight vertical into the sky in

1210
01:10:50,840 --> 01:10:53,720
the blink of an eye. Ten thousand feet not something

1211
01:10:53,760 --> 01:10:56,479
that our planes could do. So he then chased it

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01:10:56,520 --> 01:10:58,760
with his after burner in broad daylight.

1213
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Speaker 3: And this is all an on redar.

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01:11:01,039 --> 01:11:03,960
Speaker 6: And he goes up and he starts another attacking run

1215
01:11:04,560 --> 01:11:07,319
because it's stationary again at ten thousand feet, and.

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01:11:07,359 --> 01:11:09,399
Speaker 3: Just as he's about to fire his weapons again, guess

1217
01:11:09,399 --> 01:11:09,960
what it does.

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Speaker 6: It does another ten thousand feet instant hight vertically into

1219
01:11:14,199 --> 01:11:17,119
the sky. Well, that's an intelligent act. And when you

1220
01:11:17,399 --> 01:11:23,560
hear the testimony of this pilot firsthand, given testimony to

1221
01:11:23,640 --> 01:11:27,279
these senators and congressmen and women. They had their jaws

1222
01:11:27,600 --> 01:11:31,880
round the floor. They were in awe. And there are many, many,

1223
01:11:32,359 --> 01:11:37,159
multiple pilot cases, multiple commercial pilot cases of similar kind

1224
01:11:37,239 --> 01:11:37,840
of events.

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Speaker 3: And when you.

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01:11:39,720 --> 01:11:43,199
Speaker 6: Hear this testimony, you just realize that this is very

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01:11:43,279 --> 01:11:45,800
real and this is not stell and this is a

1228
01:11:45,800 --> 01:11:51,279
phenomenon that's intelligent under intelligent control and has a level

1229
01:11:51,680 --> 01:11:54,279
of technology way beyond anything we have got.

1230
01:11:54,680 --> 01:11:55,880
Speaker 3: That's my best evidence.

1231
01:11:56,039 --> 01:11:59,000
Speaker 4: Okay, Now do you think that there are more sightings

1232
01:11:59,000 --> 01:12:01,680
in America than anywhere else in the world, because we

1233
01:12:01,760 --> 01:12:04,399
seem to hear a lot from neuf ON about they've

1234
01:12:04,399 --> 01:12:06,159
seen this, that and the other, but not a lot

1235
01:12:06,199 --> 01:12:10,640
from the UK, not that I've seen anyway, and from

1236
01:12:10,720 --> 01:12:11,520
other places.

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01:12:13,079 --> 01:12:15,439
Speaker 6: Well, I think what you've got to understand is that

1238
01:12:15,920 --> 01:12:20,079
new Fon is doing a good job in the sense

1239
01:12:20,119 --> 01:12:26,880
that it's a nationwide American research group that have been

1240
01:12:26,920 --> 01:12:31,439
there now for many years. And so the America obviously

1241
01:12:31,479 --> 01:12:36,840
is a huge place, and I think UFOs are often

1242
01:12:36,880 --> 01:12:42,800
seen in the vicinity of military installations, power stations, nuclear facilities,

1243
01:12:43,239 --> 01:12:46,199
and America obviously has lots of those, so that might

1244
01:12:46,239 --> 01:12:48,239
be an explanation why there's a lot of sightings there.

1245
01:12:48,239 --> 01:12:50,359
Speaker 4: It's as if they're more interested in what's going on

1246
01:12:50,439 --> 01:12:51,039
in America.

1247
01:12:52,560 --> 01:12:55,319
Speaker 6: Well, I think I think personally America do hold the key.

1248
01:12:55,359 --> 01:12:57,560
As I said, they're the most secretive government and they

1249
01:12:57,640 --> 01:13:01,000
know the most about it. But reality, UFOs are seen

1250
01:13:01,079 --> 01:13:03,399
all over. But if you look at Britain, we've lost

1251
01:13:03,439 --> 01:13:06,720
our reporting desk so now it's fragmented, which is sure

1252
01:13:06,760 --> 01:13:09,680
what the mod wanted. So I could record sightings that

1253
01:13:09,720 --> 01:13:13,560
will come to me. Various other groups in the UK

1254
01:13:13,760 --> 01:13:16,600
will get sightings, but who coordinates it and that's what

1255
01:13:16,640 --> 01:13:20,039
we've lost. And similarly sightings that occur around the world.

1256
01:13:20,119 --> 01:13:23,800
But certain countries, if you go to Germany, they're very

1257
01:13:23,840 --> 01:13:26,680
reluctant to ever admit they've had any UFO sightings. But

1258
01:13:26,720 --> 01:13:32,039
only recently somebody has put a legal action and forced

1259
01:13:32,039 --> 01:13:36,479
the Germans to release their German documents on UFOs, so

1260
01:13:36,720 --> 01:13:39,560
that'll be interesting when they come out. So again, I

1261
01:13:39,600 --> 01:13:42,479
think there is a very little structure worldwide. But in

1262
01:13:42,520 --> 01:13:48,079
America with newphone you have a large nationwide organization that

1263
01:13:48,279 --> 01:13:51,600
many people instantly think of. Well, whereas we think of

1264
01:13:51,880 --> 01:13:54,640
Emergency nine ninety nine, a lot of people will have

1265
01:13:54,680 --> 01:13:56,600
heard a new phone and will have a number that.

1266
01:13:56,560 --> 01:13:58,600
Speaker 3: They can ring because they'll be one in their local area.

1267
01:13:58,920 --> 01:14:00,439
So we don't have that structure.

1268
01:14:00,760 --> 01:14:05,079
Speaker 6: And unfortunately, many of the British UFO groups that were

1269
01:14:05,279 --> 01:14:12,399
historical no longer operating or have the same level of

1270
01:14:13,199 --> 01:14:16,800
people involved as they once did, and there are many

1271
01:14:16,800 --> 01:14:19,359
factors as to why that is. But I think UFOs

1272
01:14:19,359 --> 01:14:23,239
have been seen much more. But it's down to the

1273
01:14:23,720 --> 01:14:26,199
person to report it. Who do you report it to.

1274
01:14:26,600 --> 01:14:28,600
You're hardly going to report it to the police if

1275
01:14:28,600 --> 01:14:30,960
they're not interested, if they're not going to do anything

1276
01:14:31,000 --> 01:14:33,800
with it, So therefore your option is you report it

1277
01:14:33,840 --> 01:14:37,039
to me or some UFO civilian group in the UK.

1278
01:14:37,319 --> 01:14:38,640
Speaker 3: But it's still fragmented.

1279
01:14:38,920 --> 01:14:41,680
Speaker 6: I think that's exactly what the MRD got and that's

1280
01:14:41,720 --> 01:14:44,079
the position we find in. But the sightings are happening

1281
01:14:44,079 --> 01:14:48,399
all the time. I would suspect sightings either one in ten,

1282
01:14:48,520 --> 01:14:52,000
one in twenty come forward to the vast majority do it.

1283
01:14:54,560 --> 01:14:56,560
Speaker 4: The other question I'd like to ask is about the

1284
01:14:56,600 --> 01:14:59,279
cover up of the government authorities. Do you think they

1285
01:14:59,319 --> 01:15:02,159
should be cover it up? Some people believe that it

1286
01:15:02,239 --> 01:15:04,159
might scare people and all this that and the other.

1287
01:15:04,199 --> 01:15:07,239
But there seems to be a lot of population that

1288
01:15:08,439 --> 01:15:11,800
wants to know that we are being visited and believe

1289
01:15:11,840 --> 01:15:16,159
that we are, and with alien inductions or contact eas

1290
01:15:16,199 --> 01:15:16,960
and stuff like that.

1291
01:15:18,079 --> 01:15:23,159
Speaker 6: You've got a very interesting disconnect in the media because

1292
01:15:23,479 --> 01:15:27,479
even when mainstream opinion polls are done anywhere in the world,

1293
01:15:27,600 --> 01:15:31,800
certainly in America and Europe, the vast majority end up

1294
01:15:31,800 --> 01:15:35,720
for about seventy to eighty percent saying one question, Yet

1295
01:15:35,760 --> 01:15:39,239
we believe that the governments have covering it up and

1296
01:15:39,359 --> 01:15:42,880
to it's usually sixty seventy percent.

1297
01:15:42,760 --> 01:15:45,119
Speaker 3: Believe that et is visited the earth.

1298
01:15:45,479 --> 01:15:48,119
Speaker 6: All right, Now, you'd think on that there would this

1299
01:15:48,279 --> 01:15:53,600
be this, you know, real change and openness from governments. Well,

1300
01:15:53,640 --> 01:15:56,239
if that's what they feel, perhaps we should tell the truth.

1301
01:15:56,319 --> 01:15:59,039
But it doesn't quite work like that at all. The

1302
01:15:59,119 --> 01:16:02,680
reality is it's about lots of power. That's why I

1303
01:16:02,680 --> 01:16:05,640
think it's secret. American doesn't want to lose its dominant arm.

1304
01:16:06,520 --> 01:16:10,159
I think the reality is is that in the next

1305
01:16:10,199 --> 01:16:14,159
three to five years, perhaps a South American country may

1306
01:16:14,239 --> 01:16:17,239
put pressure on Americans to say, well, look, we're going

1307
01:16:17,279 --> 01:16:20,119
to go public at government level. Our prime minister is

1308
01:16:20,119 --> 01:16:23,079
going to stand up and say UFOs exist. Our Air

1309
01:16:23,119 --> 01:16:24,640
Force says it researched it.

1310
01:16:24,680 --> 01:16:28,319
Speaker 3: Blah blah blah. Are you going to tell them world first?

1311
01:16:28,560 --> 01:16:29,159
Or a we goaner?

1312
01:16:29,640 --> 01:16:31,119
Speaker 6: And I think there will be some pressure to bear

1313
01:16:31,199 --> 01:16:34,920
on America. It's a very difficult thing, but sooner or

1314
01:16:35,000 --> 01:16:37,279
later it's going to happen and the truth will come out.

1315
01:16:37,600 --> 01:16:42,039
Definitely is secrecy, but it's American led and quite how

1316
01:16:42,119 --> 01:16:43,880
and when that breaks who knows?

1317
01:16:44,319 --> 01:16:48,560
Speaker 4: Okay, Now, we mentioned in your introduction about your UFO

1318
01:16:48,640 --> 01:16:53,000
Truth magazine, which you started when you retired. What did

1319
01:16:53,319 --> 01:16:55,680
Why did you decide to fill your time with this?

1320
01:16:57,600 --> 01:17:01,319
Speaker 6: Because as the years went on and as I was

1321
01:17:01,359 --> 01:17:05,479
doing the police database, something compelled me to do more.

1322
01:17:06,119 --> 01:17:12,439
And there had been various printed magazines you were for magazine,

1323
01:17:12,119 --> 01:17:14,800
the one that I mentioned with Grain Burstil that ceased

1324
01:17:14,840 --> 01:17:17,359
in two thousand and four when the editor died and

1325
01:17:17,520 --> 01:17:20,399
his wife decided to pull the plug on it. There'd

1326
01:17:20,439 --> 01:17:24,680
been various of the short limited printed magazines or subscription

1327
01:17:24,720 --> 01:17:29,199
based magazines, but didn't stand the test of time, you know,

1328
01:17:29,800 --> 01:17:33,199
over a period of time. And so as time went on,

1329
01:17:33,319 --> 01:17:37,079
I thought, well, I feel compelled to do something. So

1330
01:17:37,359 --> 01:17:39,720
as my interest in the subject became more and more

1331
01:17:40,119 --> 01:17:42,960
and I started to do public speaking and found that

1332
01:17:43,039 --> 01:17:44,960
I could do it. Not everybody can, by I found

1333
01:17:45,000 --> 01:17:47,319
that I could do it, and I enjoyed doing media

1334
01:17:47,359 --> 01:17:51,600
work that I thought, well, I'm going to retire purposely

1335
01:17:51,840 --> 01:17:55,920
early to launch an online magazine to tell the truth

1336
01:17:55,920 --> 01:17:57,479
from an evidential point of view.

1337
01:17:57,600 --> 01:17:59,359
Speaker 3: What would stand up in a court of Lord. That's

1338
01:17:59,720 --> 01:18:01,520
my particular bag, as it were.

1339
01:18:02,000 --> 01:18:05,960
Speaker 6: And so uf four Truth Magazine was launched with the

1340
01:18:06,000 --> 01:18:10,479
first issue in June of twenty thirteen. It's bi monthly,

1341
01:18:11,279 --> 01:18:14,439
which is every two months. It's ninety six pages. But

1342
01:18:14,520 --> 01:18:18,319
what makes it difference is two things. It features many

1343
01:18:18,359 --> 01:18:22,079
of the world's top UFO researchers from many countries around

1344
01:18:22,079 --> 01:18:30,640
the world South America, Europe, America, Britain, etc. And also

1345
01:18:30,760 --> 01:18:33,880
a third of all the money is that's raced through subscriptions.

1346
01:18:34,319 --> 01:18:35,079
Speaker 3: It's not free.

1347
01:18:35,359 --> 01:18:38,239
Speaker 6: The third of all moneys raced through subscriptions is set

1348
01:18:38,279 --> 01:18:39,720
aside for ufour causes.

1349
01:18:40,319 --> 01:18:44,239
Speaker 4: Just a quick question that's coming UFO London says, what

1350
01:18:44,319 --> 01:18:48,279
does Gary think of Chris French? You may have missed

1351
01:18:48,279 --> 01:18:53,920
something earlier that there is no science regarding expert witnesses.

1352
01:18:54,319 --> 01:18:57,880
Are we in danger? Of citing officialdom.

1353
01:18:57,279 --> 01:19:00,359
Speaker 6: Chris French I met him twice for This Morning. Sure,

1354
01:19:01,239 --> 01:19:05,800
affable blockoff camera, but he was a paid skeptic, getting

1355
01:19:05,840 --> 01:19:10,159
five hundred pounds of time. He'd done twenty twenty summer visits.

1356
01:19:10,159 --> 01:19:14,079
He was on a regular contract with ITV. Anything psychological ghost,

1357
01:19:14,479 --> 01:19:17,720
anything like that, he would be there to offset ghost,

1358
01:19:17,840 --> 01:19:23,600
offset your offset UFOs. It's that's part of the mainstream

1359
01:19:23,600 --> 01:19:27,079
and it's not right. But what can we do? What

1360
01:19:27,239 --> 01:19:29,920
was the part of the question, Are.

1361
01:19:29,760 --> 01:19:34,439
Speaker 4: We in danger of citing official dum? I don't know

1362
01:19:34,439 --> 01:19:35,119
what it means.

1363
01:19:34,880 --> 01:19:39,159
Speaker 5: By that, to the official report all the time?

1364
01:19:39,199 --> 01:19:40,880
Speaker 4: Are we going to come back to the official report

1365
01:19:40,920 --> 01:19:42,399
all the time? Maybe that's what you're saying.

1366
01:19:45,600 --> 01:19:46,680
Speaker 3: I think we're bogged down.

1367
01:19:47,560 --> 01:19:51,840
Speaker 6: Our big problem in upology is having a level playing field,

1368
01:19:51,880 --> 01:19:54,560
and we don't have a level of playing field in

1369
01:19:54,600 --> 01:19:58,159
the West, certainly, not in Europe, certainly not in America.

1370
01:19:58,720 --> 01:20:01,760
And whilst the main's dream, if you think about it,

1371
01:20:01,800 --> 01:20:03,079
there are only five or.

1372
01:20:03,079 --> 01:20:05,159
Speaker 3: Six big media corporations worldwide.

1373
01:20:05,600 --> 01:20:08,680
Speaker 6: If they control that media, then there's a very little

1374
01:20:08,720 --> 01:20:12,439
chance of ever I was making a big indentation unless

1375
01:20:12,880 --> 01:20:16,920
one et decides to show themselves that an event that

1376
01:20:17,000 --> 01:20:19,119
makes it, you know, if they did it the Olympics

1377
01:20:19,199 --> 01:20:22,920
kind of thing with all the cameras and if it

1378
01:20:23,079 --> 01:20:25,600
landed on the center circle, and I think even if

1379
01:20:25,640 --> 01:20:28,239
they cut the live feed of TV, you'd still have

1380
01:20:28,640 --> 01:20:32,600
one hundred thousand YouTube videos going straight on there. So

1381
01:20:32,680 --> 01:20:34,680
I think that would be very hard to contain a

1382
01:20:34,720 --> 01:20:36,760
major events possib.

1383
01:20:36,479 --> 01:20:39,680
Speaker 5: According to according to a lot of videos, Gary, they

1384
01:20:39,680 --> 01:20:45,159
actually did that the love of Olympics. This was probably

1385
01:20:45,159 --> 01:20:47,560
a little bit, a little bit tony in cheek. If

1386
01:20:47,600 --> 01:20:51,039
you had the chance, would you go on an alien spaceship?

1387
01:20:51,079 --> 01:20:54,079
If offered like they did in Close Encounters?

1388
01:20:55,680 --> 01:20:58,560
Speaker 6: I think would I do with Richard Dreyfus and leave

1389
01:20:58,600 --> 01:21:01,239
my family alone to fend for themselves.

1390
01:21:01,640 --> 01:21:04,359
Speaker 3: No part of me would want to go.

1391
01:21:04,479 --> 01:21:08,359
Speaker 6: But if it was at the expense of seeing my children, grandchildren,

1392
01:21:08,399 --> 01:21:10,000
et cetera, then the answer is now.

1393
01:21:15,239 --> 01:21:17,720
Speaker 4: Well, thanks Gary, it's been great avenue on the show.

1394
01:21:18,319 --> 01:21:19,359
Speaker 2: It really has well.

1395
01:21:19,439 --> 01:21:21,000
Speaker 4: Trying to get you for ages.

1396
01:21:21,640 --> 01:21:25,680
Speaker 3: Well you never asked me before long in asking me

1397
01:21:25,720 --> 01:21:26,199
to come.

1398
01:21:26,039 --> 01:21:28,600
Speaker 4: Back, I didn't. I didn't know how to get old

1399
01:21:28,600 --> 01:21:29,760
of you.

1400
01:21:29,800 --> 01:21:32,399
Speaker 3: Well, it's an amazing it's an amazing thing.

1401
01:21:32,439 --> 01:21:38,680
Speaker 6: The Internet isn't it is name, what's this? What's this

1402
01:21:38,840 --> 01:21:41,680
email address? It comes up quite easy on Google, so

1403
01:21:41,800 --> 01:21:44,439
I don't hide myself, so don't you know, don't wait

1404
01:21:44,479 --> 01:21:46,119
as long to have me back if you want me back.

1405
01:21:46,199 --> 01:21:48,399
Speaker 4: Oh, I definitely want you back. Thank you very much

1406
01:21:48,439 --> 01:21:50,800
for giving us your time. It's been brilliant.

1407
01:21:51,000 --> 01:21:54,920
Speaker 3: You're welcome. All right, bye bye, all right, thank you.

1408
01:21:57,920 --> 01:21:59,640
Speaker 4: That's it for that.

1409
01:21:59,159 --> 01:21:59,960
Speaker 3: That's it for the sea.

1410
01:22:00,560 --> 01:22:01,920
Speaker 4: That is it this evening.

1411
01:22:02,239 --> 01:22:03,920
Speaker 5: So I hope you enjoyed the show.

1412
01:22:04,000 --> 01:22:07,399
Speaker 4: And I say, and you went back next week, So

1413
01:22:07,439 --> 01:22:11,159
we hope you've enjoyed the savings show and we look

1414
01:22:11,199 --> 01:22:14,039
forward to having your company again next week. And as

1415
01:22:14,079 --> 01:22:15,760
I say, that's good night.

1416
01:22:15,680 --> 01:22:17,319
Speaker 5: For me, and it's good night for the.

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Speaker 4: Until next time. All it's left to say is.

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Speaker 5: Keep parormal friendly night guys.

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Speaker 6: This is where it's at.

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Speaker 2: Hellier Harry Price here, good evening. If there's nothing myself

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and everybody else enjoy here on the other side, more

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is the Sit back and relax and listen to Parasearch

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Radio with its paranormal news, views and reviews from across

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the UK and beyond. Make sure to find out more

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about them on Facebook, Twitter and the world wide Web.

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Whatever they are to keep up to date with all

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their broadcast throughout the week, and I hope you enjoy

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them as much as we do over here. Hello, is

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anybody there