Speaker 1: You know for most of it. Yeah, I don't.
Speaker 2: In the hell is the last time the Day actually
Speaker 2: aired a video, right?
Speaker 1: I don't know which one of you can't? Are you
Speaker 1: having trouble hearing the callers, be Pete, because I don't
Speaker 1: know which one of you can't hear the other. But
Speaker 1: both of you just talked over each other like completely, No.
Speaker 2: I can hear them.
Speaker 3: When I hear a break and go to say something,
Speaker 3: there's a lag.
Speaker 2: And there's always been a lag on this.
Speaker 1: Okay, I'm sorry. Well, it's just it's funny because like
Speaker 1: I hear the two of you in real time, and
Speaker 1: I guess you guys are hearing a lag. I'm sorry,
Speaker 1: all right, anyway, you know what, I'm gonna put you
Speaker 1: on hold, man and get to the next caller, but
Speaker 1: load up with something else and whatever else you had
Speaker 1: on your mind. I got that list here if you
Speaker 1: want to talk about it when I come back to you,
Speaker 1: because you basically said to me, you know, uh, let's see,
Speaker 1: let's just see what you said here. You said take
Speaker 1: your time, and that's the one I responded to. But
Speaker 1: you basically what was the statement? Now I got to
Speaker 1: see it. Geez, what did you actually say, you said, like,
Speaker 1: pick your five songs. You know, let's see, out of curiosity,
Speaker 1: what's your top five rock songs? Right? And then I said,
Speaker 1: please narrow down rock a bit, because it's always hard
Speaker 1: to make a short list. See, I already had a
Speaker 1: problem as soon as you're saying five top songs, and
Speaker 1: then and then I wind up saying to you, I
Speaker 1: cannot do it with less than seven and feel okay
Speaker 1: about it. Sorry, man, that's what I said. And then
Speaker 1: I gave you my list. Okay, so I don't know. Maybe, well,
Speaker 1: do you want to do it right now or do
Speaker 1: you want to hold off and and go over it?
Speaker 2: Well, yeah, hold off, we'll revisit it.
Speaker 1: Okay, let's do that, and we'll give everybody a chance.
Speaker 1: But let me make sure I actually put seven here,
Speaker 1: and I didn't miscount because I struggled with this. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I put seven songs up there. I had to. I
Speaker 1: could not do it otherwise. I'm sorry I could not
Speaker 1: follow your rules. So hang on, Chris, and we will
Speaker 1: go over to the guy who I often swap names
Speaker 1: with you for, which is Danny in California. Looks like Danny,
Speaker 1: how are you doing good? Evening? So what's on your mind? This?
Speaker 4: Are you a beautiful day here in California? Yeah? What's
Speaker 4: on my mind? Well, I just a quick you were
Speaker 4: talking about Hany Harrison. I don't know if I've stated
Speaker 4: here before in the show, but I didn't realize my
Speaker 4: daughter was taking horseback riding lessons and it was their
Speaker 4: their little property out just outside of the town where
Speaker 4: I live on his wife Trina yea, And I realized
Speaker 4: later I was told he was, Uh, it was Hank Harrison,
Speaker 4: Courtney Love's father. Yeah. I saw that the soap was
Speaker 4: the cold soaked in blood or soaked and bleached the documentary.
Speaker 4: I've heard a couple of that Opperman's uh interviews with
Speaker 4: with Hank Harrison. I didn't realize you have intere viewed
Speaker 4: him that he's quite quite an interesting fellow.
Speaker 1: He was he died and.
Speaker 4: Yeah, sadly and then uh, Dave Roll and my son
Speaker 4: was going to college in southern California. He was a
Speaker 4: butcher at Whole Foods. He would come in occasionally and
Speaker 4: buy up and my son said he was he was
Speaker 4: a really nice fellow to Dilla, especially for a celebrity.
Speaker 2: He was.
Speaker 4: He was down to earth and it was really good.
Speaker 4: But what I wanted to talk to is I was
Speaker 4: trying to figure out a way to maybe get to
Speaker 4: Lancer this year, and it's just not going to work out.
Speaker 4: But I will send you something now hopefully if you
Speaker 4: if you host it again, I'll try to make it
Speaker 4: out there and attend the conference. But I do have
Speaker 4: a question about lanswer. Is there a way of buying
Speaker 4: like a video of the of the conference.
Speaker 1: Yeah, if you sign up, you know at Assassination Conference
Speaker 1: dot com. Uh, use the co TOCELLI ten. You get
Speaker 1: ten percent off and you'll be able to watch all
Speaker 1: of it, you know, from home. Uh and if you
Speaker 1: use the right browser. Don't use Firefox because that gives
Speaker 1: me trouble uh doing it. But if you use like
Speaker 1: Chrome or whatever, there's you know, when the videos are posted,
Speaker 1: not right away you can watch it live, but afterwards
Speaker 1: and they post the videos, you can download them with
Speaker 1: your Chrome browser or I think Apple all the browsers
Speaker 1: do it. But either way, yeah, you can. You can
Speaker 1: download and keep the videos absolutely, but you got to
Speaker 1: buy them through that so.
Speaker 4: Once you can download them up because I doubt I'm
Speaker 4: gonna be there all weekend.
Speaker 1: Yeah, no problem. But what you do is when you
Speaker 1: when you buy your ticket, you can buy it so
Speaker 1: that you get the video also like you can buy
Speaker 1: just to go there physically, or you can buy both.
Speaker 1: And just like I said, you know, use use my
Speaker 1: code please, because one it shows that you know, I
Speaker 1: actually got people that I brought to the conference, and
Speaker 1: two it gives you ten percent off. At least it's
Speaker 1: something you know, so might as well get the discount
Speaker 1: that I also at least you know, can show Hey,
Speaker 1: some of my people actually showed up. Because weird thing,
Speaker 1: like three years we've done this and one of those
Speaker 1: times I didn't want to say it, but somehow, even
Speaker 1: though I know some of you guys signed up for it,
Speaker 1: nobody used my code. Like I had zero zero people
Speaker 1: used and I saw it on the back end, so
Speaker 1: it's not like I was being lied lied to. And
Speaker 1: I knew people had signed up and been there because
Speaker 1: of me, and yet they didn't use the code. So
Speaker 1: weird thing. Maybe I did a bad job of telling
Speaker 1: people about it, but that's why I'm repeating it. So yeah,
Speaker 1: do that, and then you can keep the videos. You
Speaker 1: download them, and then you got you know, an MP
Speaker 1: four or whatever video file. I forget. I think it's
Speaker 1: an MP four that you can like keep, you know.
Speaker 1: So they go okay, you know, and say some people
Speaker 1: used to buy DVDs, which I don't know if they
Speaker 1: even offer those anymore. You could get a DVD set
Speaker 1: or a thumb drive.
Speaker 4: But now I'm just DOWNLD school. I'd want them to
Speaker 4: send me my VHS tape.
Speaker 1: Well, I don't know if they have the capacity for
Speaker 1: VHS anymore.
Speaker 4: I don't have a VHS. I don't even have a
Speaker 4: CD player anymore. I'm just I'm just kind of that's
Speaker 4: what I'm kind of used to.
Speaker 1: Oh, I got you look behind me on my shelf.
Speaker 1: I've got you know, well what I hanging on my wall.
Speaker 1: I have a DVD of my first presentation, which was
Speaker 1: a disaster in twenty seventeen. It was terrible. Don't buy it,
Speaker 1: even if they said they were selling it for like
Speaker 1: ten bucks. Do not buy it. It's a waste. But
Speaker 1: it was my first ever presentation because it got screwed up,
Speaker 1: like right as I was getting ready to do it.
Speaker 1: There was a big controversy and there was like actually
Speaker 1: an issue like Carmine almost came to blows with people
Speaker 1: that had creeped in from the Judy Baker conference, and
Speaker 1: part of my presentation was going to be like destroying Judy,
Speaker 1: like you know. For for my presentation was it was
Speaker 1: half of my presentation. And Deborah Conway, who was in
Speaker 1: charge of the conference, you know, you see her in person,
Speaker 1: she's like, you know, when she was running the conference,
Speaker 1: she would be like completely dressed up like she was
Speaker 1: going to a formal event and all that, you know,
Speaker 1: and she was like a kind of a conventional lady
Speaker 1: from Texas, let's say. So she was very much like
Speaker 1: all shaken up and upset and like, oh you you can't,
Speaker 1: you can't do that half of your your presentation. I
Speaker 1: just I just you know, she was like totally petrified
Speaker 1: of what would happen next. So I kind of went, okay, Deborah,
Speaker 1: you know, I'll do what you ask, but you know,
Speaker 1: I've only got half a presentation. And then I went
Speaker 1: to do it, and it involved audience participation, and the
Speaker 1: point of it was we need to reach out and
Speaker 1: do more outreach with young people regarding the assassination, get
Speaker 1: them familiar with it and the real you know, work
Speaker 1: and the real efforts to reveal the history so that
Speaker 1: they're not just stuck with you know, whatever the health
Speaker 1: shows up on YouTube. And in twenty seventeen, I was
Speaker 1: saying this, and we need to come up with better
Speaker 1: forms of outreach. And my argument was that we should,
Speaker 1: you know, have an app and like really interact, like
Speaker 1: our best people should interact with young people through apps
Speaker 1: or even video games or you know, the stuff that
Speaker 1: they are participating in. Go to them where they are,
Speaker 1: and it just so happens. There was a couple of
Speaker 1: guys that did the you know, we go out to
Speaker 1: the schools and you know, present at high schools to kids,
Speaker 1: and we're already doing that work, and my you know,
Speaker 1: and they started like pretty much kind of you know,
Speaker 1: trashing me almost while I was doing the presentation right away,
Speaker 1: like oh well, we're already doing that, you know, and
Speaker 1: it's like no, no, no, beyond yeah, beyond go to
Speaker 1: the high school. You're not going to light up a
Speaker 1: kid and get them enthusiastic by showing up at their
Speaker 1: high school. You're just not. You know, it can be
Speaker 1: part of this, but we got to go past that.
Speaker 1: My idea was we need to go and think ahead
Speaker 1: of the curve, you know, start giving them the stuff
Speaker 1: in the technological packages along the lines of you know
Speaker 1: what I mean, Like back then, I would have said Vine,
Speaker 1: because like TikTok wasn't even a big thing yet. But
Speaker 1: I was saying, well, through Vine, the short video clip
Speaker 1: which is what vine. I don't know if people remember Vine,
Speaker 1: but it was sort of like TikTok. Yeah, it was
Speaker 1: sort of like TikTok, but without the popularity and without
Speaker 1: you know, the technology being better, So it was like
Speaker 1: a low quality TikTok. And I was trying to tell
Speaker 1: the stuff like, this is what we need to do
Speaker 1: our outreach in We need to design it and get
Speaker 1: them involved with Hey, look there's a history to be
Speaker 1: uncovered here and it's important and here's why. And we
Speaker 1: need to reach out to them again on the platforms
Speaker 1: and through the mechanisms and the technology that they are using,
Speaker 1: not the stuff that we think, you know. And this
Speaker 1: was my kind of like, let's bridge the gap between
Speaker 1: the baby boomers and you know, this next generation. I'm
Speaker 1: a generation excerpt, let's build the bridge right here, I'm
Speaker 1: telling you how. And they really just were like, oh,
Speaker 1: you know, this is just a waste of time and
Speaker 1: who cares? And I didn't bring and I didn't bring
Speaker 1: any slides, and I was still on my cane and
Speaker 1: I literally like paced back and forth in front of
Speaker 1: the stage instead of even going up on the stage
Speaker 1: to try and engage with the audience. And they trashed me,
Speaker 1: and they knocked out half of my presentation, you know,
Speaker 1: out of my hands by Deborah begging me not to
Speaker 1: do it before I went on. So it's a disaster.
Speaker 2: It sucks, I'll tell.
Speaker 1: You that right now. My first presentation was garbage, and
Speaker 1: it was garbage because of these things, and it's my fault.
Speaker 1: I should have been better prepared with more material than
Speaker 1: I needed, and I could have made better points. But
Speaker 1: also I had these again school teachers who were angry,
Speaker 1: like as if I was, you know, because everything's a
Speaker 1: freaking personal issue and everything's egos, and it's like, it's
Speaker 1: not about your ego and your presentation. I'm telling you
Speaker 1: that as a community, we need to reach out to
Speaker 1: young people in the venues that they are already participating it,
Speaker 1: not going to their school because that's nice and all,
Speaker 1: and that'll get you a certain crowd. But if people
Speaker 1: showed up in my school for you know, for something
Speaker 1: that was supposed to be some old, you know, political
Speaker 1: situation that I don't really care about. It's yet again
Speaker 1: attached to high school, which not every teenager is totally
Speaker 1: enthusiastic about. You know. So I'm sorry, I mean, and
Speaker 1: you know what, you can argue with my point all
Speaker 1: you want, but you didn't have to literally like trash
Speaker 1: me and pretty much say that this was pointless what
Speaker 1: I was talking about while I'm on stage, or while
Speaker 1: I'm not even on stage, while I'm trying to be
Speaker 1: at the front of the class presenting. You know, I'm
Speaker 1: telling you, it was almost like these school teachers needed
Speaker 1: to learn to corum that they try and teach their
Speaker 1: students about not screwing over the guy giving a lecture,
Speaker 1: you know, for the thirty minutes that I was going
Speaker 1: to give. You know, but what are you going to do?
Speaker 4: Yeah, isn't it just common sense to be polite, to
Speaker 4: let you finish and then maybe afterwards if they wanted
Speaker 4: to be critical.
Speaker 1: I don't understand that people, and I tried for years
Speaker 1: not to say anything about it, but it was really
Speaker 1: to me, it was like demoralizing because it's like, Dude,
Speaker 1: I went to this trouble there and you know, and
Speaker 1: I'm trying to do something different for God's sake. I mean,
Speaker 1: you can have another guy come in and talk about,
Speaker 1: you know, exactly what angle he thinks the bullet came
Speaker 1: from in Dealey Plaza and there's a thousand of those.
Speaker 1: I'm talking about something that is different what we should
Speaker 1: do going forward. I thought it would be valuable at
Speaker 1: least for that reason. But and like I said, I
Speaker 1: helped my tongue for years about it, but it is
Speaker 1: really aggravating. And eight years later, I'm still aggravated by
Speaker 1: it because, you know, it was sort of like I
Speaker 1: got sabotaged by my own people while I'm dealing with
Speaker 1: these people that are sneaking in from another conference, you know,
Speaker 1: like literally like spying on and trying to undermine. I mean,
Speaker 1: it's really ridiculously grown. People behaving like this is just outrageous,
Speaker 1: especially backing up a grifting, you know, a fraud like
Speaker 1: Judy Baker, for Christ's sake, they were showing up and
Speaker 1: like sneaking into our conference and like you know, then
Speaker 1: reporting back what was going on to her, you know,
Speaker 1: and stuff like this. I'm like, for real, Okay, anyway, Sorry,
Speaker 1: I didn't mean to go into that big of a rant.
Speaker 1: But you know, don't buy that ten dollars whatever they
Speaker 1: charge it for a DVD and me don't buy it.
Speaker 1: But anyway, this year's conference, so I plan to do
Speaker 1: something different. You might want to save this one. And
Speaker 1: I've been guaranteed that I will not be undermined, interrupted,
Speaker 1: or screwed with. Even if I do piss off the
Speaker 1: owner of the thing. I've already told her I might,
Speaker 1: And this is the way this is going to go,
Speaker 1: and I'm going to finish it one way or another.
Speaker 1: So yeah, that's where we're going this year. So I
Speaker 1: don't know if I'll ever be invited back, but I
Speaker 1: am the MC this year at least as long as
Speaker 1: I survive to get there, so it might be worth it. Yeah,
Speaker 1: definitely do that Assassination Conference dot com and just remember
Speaker 1: Ocelly ten, Ocelly ten, you know my name, and put
Speaker 1: a ten at the end and you'll get ten percent off.
Speaker 4: They go, Okay, that'll help out. Yeah, I'm yeah, I'm
Speaker 4: really interested. I mean, you've kind of talked about your
Speaker 4: topic and I'm kind of I'm kind of interested, you know,
Speaker 4: you know, I I'm not at the degree of a
Speaker 4: researcher like you folks are. But I mean, I've always
Speaker 4: been extremely inquisitive and rereading. But I do care about
Speaker 4: the truth, and I like the type of research you do,
Speaker 4: and it's like you're trying, you're just trying to get
Speaker 4: to what really has happened and how they you know,
Speaker 4: and try to stay away from things are modeled, and
Speaker 4: you're willing to change a point of view and based
Speaker 4: on facts, and I really I really appreciate that type
Speaker 4: of research because you people get so married to the
Speaker 4: what they want to believe, which they we're all guilty.
Speaker 4: You won't, you won't budge, and it's it's I mean,
Speaker 4: I don't see the benefit that you know.
Speaker 1: And there's my opinion and you probably wouldn't even know it.
Speaker 1: But there's been a whole thing this weekend because you know,
Speaker 1: Representative Luna ended up receiving some documents from the Russians
Speaker 1: this week right, a couple of days ago.
Speaker 4: Saw something on them on on X. Yeah, I don't
Speaker 4: know the whole scope of it. You know, I don't
Speaker 4: have I don't have enough time to research. I have
Speaker 4: to rely on others. You were more didicated, right, So.
Speaker 1: I'm sure b Pete is aware of this, you know,
Speaker 1: just because it was a you know interest. But you've
Speaker 1: been tracking this, right b Pete, the whole like Luna
Speaker 1: and the Russian documents and all that.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I've seen some stuff on next today. I was
Speaker 3: going to ask you about it later when we've decided
Speaker 3: to change to another topic of what you know, smoking
Speaker 3: gun has come out of the stack. I haven't seen
Speaker 3: one yet, but you know the Russians. Hey, it was
Speaker 3: an inside job, and you know it's it's these guys
Speaker 3: over there in this rogue group of individuals that were
Speaker 3: responsible for it.
Speaker 1: Yeah. Well, look we're hitting stuff from you know, the
Speaker 1: Russian intelligence agencies, right, so you know already temper your expectations,
Speaker 1: and not because I got anything against Russians, but again
Speaker 1: it's just what are you going to do? That's the
Speaker 1: adversary in the Cold War, right, so what do you want?
Speaker 1: But the point is that because of the government shutdown,
Speaker 1: this is another key interesting point. Because of the government shutdown,
Speaker 1: guess what, NARA can't even receive and work with this
Speaker 1: stuff the National archives. Right. Well, anyway, there's been some
Speaker 1: objections now from people who've gotten very angry, and I
Speaker 1: understand part of their anger. But because there's no government
Speaker 1: agency to work with these documents, guess what, Jeff Morley
Speaker 1: and Mary Farrell said. We'll take them and we'll publish
Speaker 1: them so that people can get a hold of them.
Speaker 1: We'll even do the translations because we're available. And that
Speaker 1: has caused a lot of subcontroversy.
Speaker 3: She ought to just go ahead and start live streaming
Speaker 3: in her office and pull out a document and read it.
Speaker 4: I'd sit there and watch.
Speaker 2: I know.
Speaker 3: Our friends over at the lone Gunman would be all
Speaker 3: eyes wide open. Maybe we fans.
Speaker 1: Well, the problem is, you know, you got a dossier
Speaker 1: in hand. Now, it's the three hundred and thirty pages
Speaker 1: that they sent, and it's inorganized through.
Speaker 4: Yeah, sit through three hundred and thirty pages.
Speaker 3: Okay, as long as she's wearing that red, white and
Speaker 3: blue outfit that made her famous.
Speaker 1: Well you know, you you with the attractive women you
Speaker 1: know in politics lately. But okay, the thing is three
Speaker 1: hundred and thirty pages. It's in Russian, you know, so
Speaker 1: she can't read it directly, don't care? I know, Yeah,
Speaker 1: there you go. Yeah, what you're what you're telling me
Speaker 1: is she can read it in Latin, even if she
Speaker 1: doesn't know Latin, you don't care, you'll watch Okay, I
Speaker 1: got you.
Speaker 3: This way, I'll sit there and listen to a Korean
Speaker 3: woman who's hotter nail rapped for fifteen minutes and not
Speaker 3: understand a single damn words.
Speaker 4: She said, it's just pleasant to sit through.
Speaker 1: Okay, I got you. See, Now me, I don't know.
Speaker 1: They got to they got to at least speak a
Speaker 1: language I understand in order for me to care. But okay,
Speaker 1: that's just me. And that's because probably I got bad eyesight,
Speaker 1: so I'm missing out on a lot of things. You know,
Speaker 1: blind guy, duh. Anyhow, Yeah, so there's that element here
Speaker 1: where there's this controversy because why in the hell does
Speaker 1: Jeff Morley get to see these things versed and blah blah,
Speaker 1: Well you know what he's involved in it. I'm not
Speaker 1: thrilled either that this is the process. But guess what.
Speaker 1: Government shuts down a lot of things. You know, work
Speaker 1: is not going to get done, and it just so
Speaker 1: happens we can't do anything with these documents until the
Speaker 1: government reopens as far as the National Archives is concerned.
Speaker 1: So over a JFK fact, yeah, fine, but over a
Speaker 1: JFK facts. Morley has now done what he's you know,
Speaker 1: published him. You can go download him yourself, go get
Speaker 1: him yourself if you want. All right, So, I mean,
Speaker 1: I don't know why people are screaming at him about
Speaker 1: it and like really pissed about it, but there it is.
Speaker 1: That's what they're doing. So that's a weird subcontract. But
Speaker 1: there's always stuff like this going on, and lately because
Speaker 1: of this Oversight Committee and the interest there and Trump's
Speaker 1: executive water, uh, you know what, there's been a bit
Speaker 1: of action. So what do you what do you want
Speaker 1: me to tell you?
Speaker 3: You know what I mean, Danny, No matter what they do,
Speaker 3: there's gonna be people that aren't pleased with the process.
Speaker 3: I mean, that's just the way it is. Especially when
Speaker 3: you're talking about this gang of folks that are involved
Speaker 3: in JFK research.
Speaker 1: Well, right, you know, it's sort of like the old joke, right,
Speaker 1: you know, and this is about you know, the Battle
Speaker 1: of the sex is. Let's just say, I love that
Speaker 1: family guy a clip where you know he's he's redoing TV.
Speaker 1: Everything's about redoing TV. So they have to relaunch everything
Speaker 1: from scratch and they turn around, they go, well, we
Speaker 1: need a couple of shows where people are fighting with
Speaker 1: each other. So, you know, so Peter goes, all right,
Speaker 1: we'll go get some men, go do this. Go get
Speaker 1: this simple thing and they'll fight. Go film it by
Speaker 1: get out of here, all right, Now what we need
Speaker 1: a couple more shows of fighting. Well, I'll tell you what.
Speaker 1: Here's what we do. We go get a couple of
Speaker 1: gay guys and do this and that, and then they'll
Speaker 1: start fighting. Okay, go we still need more fighting shows. Okay,
Speaker 1: you know what, go get a couple of women and
Speaker 1: just get a couple of women, they'll start fighting.
Speaker 4: Go.
Speaker 1: I feel like the JFK community is like a bunch
Speaker 1: of women in a workplace, you know, where there's a guarantee. No,
Speaker 1: I'm serious. It doesn't even matter who's got what genitals say,
Speaker 1: it's just they behave in exactly that way. You put
Speaker 1: enough of us together, there will be a fight. It's
Speaker 1: just that simple. There will be arguments and they'll escalate.
Speaker 1: And the more of us you put together other or
Speaker 1: the more you know, diverse group you put together, the
Speaker 1: worse and cats. You know. At this point, Russ Baker
Speaker 1: just walks up to me now and stares at me
Speaker 1: and gives me weird, dirty stink eye looks, and that's it.
Speaker 1: That's where he's at with me. And it's all because,
Speaker 1: you know, I busted him on that ridiculous, you know,
Speaker 1: bush and deally placid thing, and I insisted that's ridiculous.
Speaker 1: And now I got a grown man who shows up
Speaker 1: every couple of years to stare at me. I mean, really,
Speaker 1: this is this is what we're doing. And uh so
Speaker 1: you know, doesn't that boil it all down? Yeah? But
Speaker 1: it's really really oddly easily triggered. I mean, snowflakes of
Speaker 1: every political stripe end up in the JFK thing. Man,
Speaker 1: they just do. Uh, they're freaked out. They've got no
Speaker 1: thick skin at all. I mean, lefty, righty, you know,
Speaker 1: supposedly I'm a political They're all kind of snowflakes. They
Speaker 1: freak out, especially when you insult them. And when you
Speaker 1: insult like you were talking about with the you know,
Speaker 1: the whole thing, like they're married to stuff. You don't
Speaker 1: know how I've dragged that thing out where I've explained
Speaker 1: to people it's very much like when I was a
Speaker 1: younger man and a guy would go home with a
Speaker 1: girl or a woman, depending on their age, and they'd
Speaker 1: be drinking, and the two of them would be drinking,
Speaker 1: and they'd wake up next to them and realize, holy crap,
Speaker 1: this is not the woman I thought I went home
Speaker 1: with last night. I definitely was wearing the beer goggles.
Speaker 1: And usually they'll quickly kind of deal with that, try
Speaker 1: to politely, go listen, I'm busy today, but you got
Speaker 1: to get the hell up on out of here, really,
Speaker 1: and they'll distance themselves and not call that woman because,
Speaker 1: holy crap, they made a mistake. These guys don't want
Speaker 1: to admit that they took the ugly girl home from
Speaker 1: the bar. And that's what their problem is. Even when
Speaker 1: it falls apart, it's logically bs, it's clearly no good,
Speaker 1: they stay stuck to it, you know, like it's a
Speaker 1: baby mama, and they don't want to abandon the baby.
Speaker 1: I mean, it's just that bad. They took the ugly
Speaker 1: girl home from the bar. They don't want to admit
Speaker 1: that they didn't didn't met Marilyn Monroe that night, and
Speaker 1: here we are, and they stick to it. And I've
Speaker 1: never seen anything like it in any sort of serious occupation,
Speaker 1: whether it's something you got paid for or was a hobby.
Speaker 1: I've never seen people like this, except in the case
Speaker 1: of sports teams. Sometimes, you know where somebody sticks with
Speaker 1: the sports, Like if you're a freaking oh my god,
Speaker 1: if you're like in football, if you're a fan of
Speaker 1: the Cleveland Browns, Okay, you know what I'm saying, Like,
Speaker 1: you definitely stuck with it. Have you been like that
Speaker 1: for a couple of decades? You stayed with the ugly
Speaker 1: girl in the bar and kept a straight face about
Speaker 1: it and did not mind that other people knew you
Speaker 1: brought the ugly girl home from the bar. That's okay,
Speaker 1: But we don't have that in the JFK community. Everybody
Speaker 1: since they brought home the princess, and you know, they'd
Speaker 1: be lucky if the frog is still alive. I mean,
Speaker 1: it's just where they're at. Anyhow. That's the way I
Speaker 1: see it. And it's blunt and it's kind of rude
Speaker 1: according to some people, but I can't. I can't do
Speaker 1: it any other way. So Danny, accurate analogy, But go ahead,
Speaker 1: what else you got we cycle that? Yeah?
Speaker 4: Well, I think I think what you just talked about,
Speaker 4: just like the community, the research community that you're talking
Speaker 4: about that's human nature. I mean every every organization that
Speaker 4: I've dealt with in one way or another, where it's
Speaker 4: uh a local fire department, a little league, baseball, of
Speaker 4: soccer league, a church, UH, different committees in the church.
Speaker 4: You know, human egos getting away. I mean they're fragile
Speaker 4: and and there's just there's always too many chiefs and
Speaker 4: two little Indians and like I said, you know, we
Speaker 4: do things a certain way and we get bent out
Speaker 4: of shape and I don't know, we just slight drama.
Speaker 2: Well, human nature. I have a trauma.
Speaker 1: I have a little Yeah, I have a little theory
Speaker 1: on this, dandy, and I want to run it by
Speaker 1: you and also get B Pete's take on this, UH,
Speaker 1: and then we'll cycle back through the callers, go back
Speaker 1: around to Jimmy and whoever else calls in. By the way,
Speaker 1: three one nine, five two seven five zero one six,
Speaker 1: we're definitely going to be live for at least I
Speaker 1: don't know, another half hour, forty minutes. I'm gonna keep
Speaker 1: us going. But you know, I have a theory and
Speaker 1: I want to get both of your takes on this,
Speaker 1: and again you can join in anybody hearing us live
Speaker 1: at about UH let's see twenty yeah, twenty to ten
Speaker 1: right now, live in the East coast, in the Eastern
Speaker 1: time zone. Right uh here on the let's make sure
Speaker 1: about my date even the seventeenth day of October, Okay,
Speaker 1: and I can't believe we're almost halfway through the month,
Speaker 1: But seventeenth of October twenty to ten pm Eastern, Okay,
Speaker 1: nine forty or so. You can join us at three
Speaker 1: one nine five two seven five zero one six. But
Speaker 1: otherwise we're gonna, you know, cycle back through the callers,
Speaker 1: maybe even take a quick break. But before I go there,
Speaker 1: I want to get you, take both of you. Actually,
Speaker 1: we'll start with be Pete. Let Danny think about this
Speaker 1: for a minute. Be Pete. Here's my theory. These guys, right,
Speaker 1: they're the smartest guy among their little group at home.
Speaker 1: Whatever state they're in, Okay, like you know, doesn't matter
Speaker 1: if they're from Iowa or they're in some you know,
Speaker 1: remote part of Pennsylvania that you got to actually literally
Speaker 1: check to see if it's on a map and it exists, right,
Speaker 1: or if they're you know, in Oklahoma in a town
Speaker 1: that doesn't sound like it belongs in Oklahoma, whatever they
Speaker 1: could be there or they could be in Los Angeles,
Speaker 1: but among their group in their place where they are,
Speaker 1: they're usually one of the smartest people there and always
Speaker 1: thought to be that. Right. Then they author a book
Speaker 1: or they do a documentary and they are the smartest guy,
Speaker 1: and as far as the locals are concerned and their
Speaker 1: little friend group and their family, they are the JFK expert.
Speaker 1: And maybe at their job, if they're a school teacher
Speaker 1: or whatever, at that job, they're the JFK expert. Okay,
Speaker 1: And then they go and they actually expose their stuff.
Speaker 1: You know, they put out a book, but they didn't
Speaker 1: have to face any of their readers. They put out
Speaker 1: videos on YouTube. They never had to deal with any
Speaker 1: of those face to face. I think they get a
Speaker 1: shock when they run into a bunch of other people
Speaker 1: that might actually call them on some of their bs,
Speaker 1: show them the flaws in their work, point out to
Speaker 1: them where they should have done better, could have dug deeper, whatever,
Speaker 1: And I think that's the buyer's remorse that comes in
Speaker 1: where they then dig in their heels and decide, Nope,
Speaker 1: I know I'm the great one from Des Moines, or
Speaker 1: I'm the good guy from Jersey. I'm the smartest man
Speaker 1: in Delaware when it comes to the JFK assassination, and
Speaker 1: then they expose themselves to a wider group and they
Speaker 1: find out guess what, maybe not? What do you think
Speaker 1: is that the culture shock that we see when they
Speaker 1: dig in their heels and they just stay married to
Speaker 1: the ugly chick they brought home from the bar? What
Speaker 1: what do you think? Me, Pete? Yeah, a lot of times.
Speaker 3: But then you've also got people that are higher up
Speaker 3: in the food chain among all of those people. I mean,
Speaker 3: take Fetzer for example. The guy's got a PhD. Fetcher's
Speaker 3: a smart guy. He put out a lot of publications
Speaker 3: over the years dealing with computer intelligence and things of
Speaker 3: that nature. Don't get me wrong, Fetzer is smart. But
Speaker 3: Fetzer can be awfully stupid when it comes to things,
Speaker 3: and he's a perfect example of an educated idiot. When
Speaker 3: it comes to certain things in the JFK world that
Speaker 3: you can't explain it to him, He's going to double
Speaker 3: down and double down harder and harder and harder. We've
Speaker 3: seen it with everything that he's gotten involved with from
Speaker 3: nine to eleven JFK.
Speaker 4: Thing.
Speaker 1: So yeah, you see that, you see, but it's not
Speaker 1: just the conspiracy.
Speaker 3: So let me let me Sometimes it's that little guy
Speaker 3: down there. There's the local guy that brings something out
Speaker 3: and then after further investigation, right, okay, we find out the.
Speaker 1: Guy was wrong, but at.
Speaker 3: Least he disproves something that a lot of people were
Speaker 3: thinking over the years.
Speaker 1: Okay, let me let me try and just dig in
Speaker 1: on something that you said here and get a little
Speaker 1: more detail from you, because yes, you're right about all this.
Speaker 1: And somebody can say, well that's about you know, your
Speaker 1: theories and you had to build him and all that,
Speaker 1: but there is a hubris here that goes beyond just
Speaker 1: what Fetzer decided is his big you know theory. And
Speaker 1: you heard it on this show. Like twenty fifteen, we
Speaker 1: did a you know, an anniversary JFK show and the
Speaker 1: guy started freaking out at me and Carmine for going,
Speaker 1: whoa whoa hold on with your you know, massive dump
Speaker 1: of factoids. Relax, you know, what are you talking about
Speaker 1: with this or that? And the thing is, as he
Speaker 1: freaked out and started saying, we had our heads up,
Speaker 1: our ass and all kinds of stuff. It's fun. It's
Speaker 1: in the archives out there somewhere. Anyway. The other problem
Speaker 1: is though. It's a hubris that goes beyond just his theories,
Speaker 1: because remember when he walked in to do that court case,
Speaker 1: and I'm sure that we covered it on the show.
Speaker 1: You and I think we did a call in show
Speaker 1: and we had Ace come in and report to us
Speaker 1: about what was happening in the courtroom, right that you
Speaker 1: were with me on that. Okay. So he goes into
Speaker 1: court and the judge tells him, you know, Xyz, you
Speaker 1: can't do this. Don't do that. Now you have to
Speaker 1: follow the judge's instructions. You're you know what, literally you're
Speaker 1: playing on his court, okay, and it's a legal ball.
Speaker 1: You got to do things according to what the court
Speaker 1: wants and translate that when the court says, we're talking
Speaker 1: about the judge. The judge tells him, you can't bring
Speaker 1: this stuff here as evidence. It will not be entered
Speaker 1: into evidence. Therefore, you're literally not going to be able
Speaker 1: to participate in this legal proceeding. You have nothing to
Speaker 1: bring to the table because I'm telling you that doesn't
Speaker 1: go on my table. Then he tells him, I'll give
Speaker 1: you this piece of evidence that you want to examine,
Speaker 1: will give you access to a piece of video. Do not, okay,
Speaker 1: share it with this or this or this. It does
Speaker 1: not get disseminated to anyone else. This is for your
Speaker 1: eyes only. He violates that rule. His arrogance goes beyond
Speaker 1: just his pet theories, because he heard the rules, he
Speaker 1: understood what he was told, He asked to it, because
Speaker 1: he understands the language, and as you said, is intelligent
Speaker 1: enough to handle complex things. So when he's told don't
Speaker 1: show this video to anybody else, then he comes back
Speaker 1: to the judge literally saying, I brought this to another
Speaker 1: video expert when he was specifically told not to do that.
Speaker 1: I mean that one day's worth of observation from Ace
Speaker 1: was priceless because it was like this guy was told
Speaker 1: the rules, told how things work, and then said, screw it,
Speaker 1: I'm going to do it anyway. And that is a
Speaker 1: whole other level of arrogance. That again, and that's from
Speaker 1: the top of the food chain. You said it, it
Speaker 1: is true, but I was talking about the guys coming
Speaker 1: up and becoming and climbing up the ladder on the
Speaker 1: food chain. You've got a whole other set of problems
Speaker 1: from the top of the food chain. But this is
Speaker 1: definitely one of them where their own egos and belief
Speaker 1: in their intellect alone causes this problem. Wouldn't you agree
Speaker 1: with that, VP, Because that's another issue on top of
Speaker 1: just like he loves his theory and you know, has
Speaker 1: a bone to pick with the Jews. You know, outside
Speaker 1: of those two things, he's got an ego issue here
Speaker 1: where it's like my ego supersedes and trumps.
Speaker 4: All right, Oh yeah, definitely, definitely.
Speaker 2: I don't.
Speaker 3: I'm trying to think. You know, he really when he
Speaker 3: went into court, he needed to have a lawyer and
Speaker 3: he didn't have one, and that's why he basically lost.
Speaker 4: I mean, well he.
Speaker 3: Lost on the merits of the case, but some of
Speaker 3: the things that he did that kind of angered at
Speaker 3: the court.
Speaker 1: You know, well that's what I was just I could.
Speaker 3: Not understand the concept of he might not know what
Speaker 3: he's talking about. And then you take his case versus
Speaker 3: say Alex Jones. Now, Alex Jones, his biggest problem was
Speaker 3: he didn't show up and so it was a summary
Speaker 3: judgment against him. And this last appeal that he had
Speaker 3: on the billion dollars that he owes, he appealed it
Speaker 3: to the Supreme Court and they didn't even want to
Speaker 3: hear it, his biggest mistake was not going to court
Speaker 3: when he should have gone, and it may have had
Speaker 3: a different outcome.
Speaker 1: Okay, but both of them share something here. I think
Speaker 1: I must have not properly explained this because both of
Speaker 1: them have the same problem, be Pete, and that is this.
Speaker 1: I know what the mechanism is, I know what I
Speaker 1: was instructed to do to participate in this one way
Speaker 1: or another, and both of them did things that automatically
Speaker 1: made it so they're not participating in part of the process.
Speaker 1: Fitzer wouldn't follow the rules, wouldn't go along with the
Speaker 1: conditions of things. So therefore tried to walk in there
Speaker 1: and say nope, I'm going to drop this in front
Speaker 1: of you in court. Anyway, got told no. So that
Speaker 1: was the end of that. Whether he had a lawyer
Speaker 1: or not, he could have chosen to participate or not.
Speaker 1: And by the fact that he would not even play
Speaker 1: by the rules, it's like showing up for a baseball
Speaker 1: game and saying that's okay, I'm going to hit this
Speaker 1: with a paddle. You know, you can't go up to
Speaker 1: bat with a giant ping pong paddle. It doesn't work
Speaker 1: that way. Okay, so automatically, Oh, I couldn't play in
Speaker 1: the game. Absolutely. Jones didn't show up for a bunch
Speaker 1: of things, therefore gave up his right to argue. See,
Speaker 1: both of them gave up their rights to argue by
Speaker 1: not participating according to the parameters that were set by
Speaker 1: the court. This is a common thing and both of
Speaker 1: them it's the same ego issue. Although I think Alex
Speaker 1: Jones intentionally did it so that he could, you know,
Speaker 1: have the martyrdom financially, and that's another issue. But Fetzer,
Speaker 1: it made no sense he was going to get personally
Speaker 1: held liable for something that he intentionally did not play
Speaker 1: by the rules to even have a chance to step
Speaker 1: in the ring and fight, you know what I mean.
Speaker 1: So both of them did the same thing, though they
Speaker 1: both you know, absolutely ignored the fact that somebody else
Speaker 1: set the rules and you have to do this in
Speaker 1: this in order to even begin to fight. So there
Speaker 1: it is. That's that other level of arrogance I'm talking
Speaker 1: about where it's like, you know, there are some people, yes,
Speaker 1: they have the privilege of ignoring all the rules, but
Speaker 1: it's not that many of us, and some of us
Speaker 1: think we are and we're not Fetzer was not one
Speaker 1: of those people that could ignore all the rules and
Speaker 1: still get something done. Alex Jones same thing, although he's
Speaker 1: continued to broadcast and thrive. So, you know, I don't
Speaker 1: know what to tell you there. That's a weird nexus situation.
Speaker 1: But the thing is both of them seem to go
Speaker 1: into this with the idea of that doesn't matter what
Speaker 1: the rules are, how the game is played, I'm going
Speaker 1: to show up and bang, do it my way, and
Speaker 1: it's going to get done. And both of them wound
Speaker 1: up with judgments against them. So to me, this is
Speaker 1: the same problem. What do you think of that?
Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean it basically came down and they did
Speaker 3: the same thing. It oppos it into the spectrum.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, So Danny, your thoughts on this though, what
Speaker 1: do you think about the original question? Even where you
Speaker 1: know there's this Maybe it's the shock of now being
Speaker 1: exposed and actually having to confront, you know the fact
Speaker 1: that maybe you don't have everything right and it's the
Speaker 1: first time, and then they just dig in more as
Speaker 1: a defense. But also simultaneously, maybe it's got something to
Speaker 1: do with exactly what be Pete brought up at the
Speaker 1: so called top of the food chain, and you have
Speaker 1: this arrogance of hey, look, rules don't matter. I've got this,
Speaker 1: and they think they can just you know, get it
Speaker 1: done based on what the power of their will. It
Speaker 1: doesn't matter what the rules are, it doesn't matter about
Speaker 1: the you know, the rules of evidence or anything else.
Speaker 1: I mean, really larger thought process here. It's all the
Speaker 1: same thing. They're so arrogant that they have the solution
Speaker 1: regardless of what the solution requires. I mean, what do
Speaker 1: you think of that, Danny.
Speaker 4: It's just the same old thing. It's a massive ego
Speaker 4: and privilege, and massive ego feeds on your privilege. I mean,
Speaker 4: look through the confident can enable. Don't apply jealousy. Jealousy
Speaker 4: you're jealousy when you kind of stick that stick in
Speaker 4: that nag said, ego, any concept to be jealousy because
Speaker 4: you think so highly yourself. Any they can maybe prove
Speaker 4: you wrong or have facts correct. Look at a soul
Speaker 4: and David. You know Saul was the king, but he
Speaker 4: was jealous of David. Look at that king Herod and Jesus,
Speaker 4: he was afraid of a little baby. It's this massive
Speaker 4: ego with power and privilege. They're no different. It's the
Speaker 4: same psychological makeup they have. Where most normal people would
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Speaker 1: Anything on your mind as we go to the final segment.
Speaker 3: No, just an update on the Fetzer deal. I was
Speaker 3: looking at the homepage of a poser that basically caught
Speaker 3: all the TETs or stuff.
Speaker 4: Sure, apparently there's some appeal.
Speaker 3: They're waiting on a decision on an appeal, and I
Speaker 3: think it's at the state level, the state Supreme Court
Speaker 3: in Wisconsin. So that's still he's still on the hook
Speaker 3: for the million dollars. He's only partially settled about a
Speaker 3: thousand or twenty thousand of but I think on the
Speaker 3: initial damages, not the six hundred thousand that he was
Speaker 3: hit in lawyer fees and all. But yeah, yeahfets are
Speaker 3: still treadwater.
Speaker 1: So Is that like close to two million between all
Speaker 1: the fees and the settlement? Is that what we're looking
Speaker 1: at here?
Speaker 3: Or No, it's like one point one meal Okay, close
Speaker 3: to one point one I think it was.
Speaker 4: I think it was one meal.
Speaker 3: One hundred thousand, one hundred and sixty five thousand or
Speaker 3: something is what it came up to.
Speaker 1: Well, that's not as bad as I thought it was
Speaker 1: on the guy, but it's still going to hurt, you know.
Speaker 1: I'm sure that's going to put hurt.
Speaker 3: It wasn't a billion like uh, you know, like Alex
Speaker 3: Jones got hit with billion dollars.
Speaker 4: Man, that's a whole lot of cash.
Speaker 1: But here's the thing. He's big enough to throw a
Speaker 1: billion dollar bullet at you know what I mean. That's
Speaker 1: the thing I think people don't recognize because he was
Speaker 1: still up to this day, as far as I know,
Speaker 1: still takes donations like I do. You know what I mean?
Speaker 1: Where it's like, and I believe me, I'm nowhere near
Speaker 1: you know, million or even one hundred thousand dollars territory
Speaker 1: or even fifty thousand dollars territory. When it comes to
Speaker 1: what it is, I can even you know, begin to
Speaker 1: take in. I mean, it's a joke to even think
Speaker 1: about fifty thousand, but I mean the amount of money
Speaker 1: this guy takes out good. It's interesting.
Speaker 3: The state of Wisconsin, the judge in all this at
Speaker 3: the circuit level before it was appealed, he had to
Speaker 3: finally issue an order saying that Fetcher was not allowed
Speaker 3: to file in any court, any circuit court in Wisconsin,
Speaker 3: any paperwork whatsoever having to do with Leonard Poster, no opposer,
Speaker 3: Sandy Hook Elementary School.
Speaker 4: I mean, there's a list there because.
Speaker 3: Fetzer, you know, you made the comment about sharing a
Speaker 3: video in all and having people look at it, and
Speaker 3: he wasn't supposed to, but he has continued on even
Speaker 3: toil late last year, like he had a copy of
Speaker 3: no Posner's passport and he was sent he sent a
Speaker 3: copy of this to somebody. One of his witnesses on paper,
Speaker 3: Anonymous too to supposedly looked at a video of this
Speaker 3: kid watching a Superman movie or a Spider Man movie
Speaker 3: and then taking dates and trying to show that the
Speaker 3: passport that he had to be older than this date
Speaker 3: on the passport because here he is watching this movie
Speaker 3: and talking about Spider Man.
Speaker 4: And finally the court just got ticked off and said,
Speaker 4: that's it, buddy.
Speaker 3: You can't other than paperwork you need to file for
Speaker 3: your appeal, you can't file anything regarding a list of
Speaker 3: about nine.
Speaker 2: Different things in the state of Wisconsin.
Speaker 4: You're done. It's gotten that bad.
Speaker 1: Well, But that's the thing is the guy continues on.
Speaker 1: He's still doing a podcast somewhere, I think too. But
Speaker 1: Alex Sjoones a different story. Like I said, just that
Speaker 1: he takes in donations, but he also sells stuff constantly.
Speaker 1: He's got that stuff even when the even when the
Speaker 1: Onions supposedly took over his stuff, right, they were still
Speaker 1: selling the Alex Jones products if you hit the product page,
Speaker 1: so I mean, and you go there, like right now,
Speaker 1: I accidentally hit a thing on X. Because he's got
Speaker 1: two channels on X that always come to the top
Speaker 1: of my you know what's happening, and here's live broadcasts
Speaker 1: on X. He's got prominent placement there permanently for two channels,
Speaker 1: won the Alex Jones channel, and now he's got Info
Speaker 1: Wars back and he's had it, you know, for a while.
Speaker 1: But the fun part is, like I clicked on it
Speaker 1: accidentally and I was immediately, you know, barraged with the
Speaker 1: Hakeem Jeffries special on the health supplements because Hakeem Jeffries
Speaker 1: is trying to take us down, so we've made a
Speaker 1: special in his name. You get a discount if you
Speaker 1: used the code Hakem Jeffries. I mean not kidding literally
Speaker 1: like that was and I'm like, oh god, I mean
Speaker 1: every once in a while I end up like stumbling
Speaker 1: into one of his broadcasts and it's always a gem.
Speaker 1: You know that that is being pumped at me by
Speaker 1: by Alex Jones if I click on it. And that's
Speaker 1: what I got the other day, the Hakkim Jeffries special
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Speaker 1: He can take the billion dollar hit the amount of
Speaker 1: money that that guy's taken in.
Speaker 3: I understand that he got his uh what is YouTube
Speaker 3: channel back and then and then they immediately canceled it again.
Speaker 1: I don't know, I can't keep track. Oh I know,
Speaker 1: is I put in because remember in like a half
Speaker 1: a day. Yeah, remember you sent me the article. Hey,
Speaker 1: they're actually reconsidering people that were taking down for certain things.
Speaker 1: I actually have a screenshot I was going to bring
Speaker 1: up with you, but we're way too late in the
Speaker 1: show now. But next week I'll talk to you about
Speaker 1: my You know, there's no way that hell I'm getting
Speaker 1: my YouTube channel back, even though a lot of other
Speaker 1: people are. But anyway, we'll get into that next week.
Speaker 1: Let's get back to the callers because they've been waiting,
Speaker 1: and again new ones if you want to jump in
Speaker 1: on the end. Three one nine, five, two seven five
Speaker 1: zero one six. We're keeping this going. So Jimmy, you
Speaker 1: were first in line. Let's get you up again first
Speaker 1: and see what else you got on your mind.
Speaker 2: Jimmy, Oh, let's see there's much spoken. There was.
Speaker 1: Anything you want to tag onto or throw something brand
Speaker 1: new in the mix, Go for it, it's all you.
Speaker 2: Well, let's see I remember something about that's sure?
Speaker 11: And Kirk last week, didn't you mentioned wanting to know
Speaker 11: what big operation was coming up before Kennedy got killed
Speaker 11: or something like that.
Speaker 1: I gotta tell you, I'm not quite catching what you're
Speaker 1: throwing down here. Which operation was ongoing when Kennedy was killed.
Speaker 1: There was a bunch a bunch of different operations depending
Speaker 1: on what you're talking about, I mean in the CIA
Speaker 1: or in the military or well.
Speaker 11: Tess test one two three.
Speaker 2: Yeah, somehow you didn't hear half of what I said. Okay, one,
Speaker 2: Professor hand.
Speaker 4: Can you hear me? No?
Speaker 1: Yeah, I heard his first time.
Speaker 2: Go ahead, I don't think you did. Okay, all right, Well,
Speaker 2: last week the professor handcut is on.
Speaker 11: He mentioned it sounded the like he didn't understand what
Speaker 11: big operation was upcoming in the JFK situation. You don't
Speaker 11: recall this, but he didn't seem to get some yes, No, maybe.
Speaker 1: I am not connecting with what it is you're asking.
Speaker 1: As I said the first time, Jimmy, I heard every
Speaker 1: word you said, but I don't understand what you're.
Speaker 2: Asking fascinating people.
Speaker 12: Well, I can help you press through the way to
Speaker 12: invade Cuba in December.
Speaker 2: Okay, right, And that's.
Speaker 1: Yep.
Speaker 2: And that's as per Secretary State.
Speaker 11: Ross great Sturgists, all sorts of people up and down
Speaker 11: the line, And that would have been the only chance
Speaker 11: in hell of JFK Benning that election had.
Speaker 2: He had lived. I see.
Speaker 1: Okay, uh, BPTE anything. Uh you want to grab on
Speaker 1: this or no, I'll leave that one to you.
Speaker 2: You're the document guy.
Speaker 1: Okay, okay, Jimmy, Well, I don't know how to answer that. Okay,
Speaker 1: the possible invasion of Cuba? That the whole thing, which
Speaker 1: which thing are we talking about? Here? The the CD.
Speaker 2: Why that quantity wouldn't have had a quarter of his
Speaker 2: head blown off? Yes, there would have been an invasion
Speaker 2: of Cuba in December?
Speaker 3: Do you not get this?
Speaker 2: You're not aware of this?
Speaker 1: No, some people have posited that, and I do not
Speaker 1: believe that scenario is valid. I don't think that was
Speaker 1: a certainty. Various people have made this their escape.
Speaker 11: That way rep countless documents. It's the only way the
Speaker 11: JFK would have been reelected. Do you understand that?
Speaker 2: Do you acknowledge that?
Speaker 1: No? I don't knowledge that. No, I do not acknowledge that.
Speaker 1: I do not know that for certain, because no, I don't,
Speaker 1: because there was a whole.
Speaker 2: Year hal all me.
Speaker 1: No, no, no, no, don't talk to me like this.
Speaker 1: No no, no, no no no no no no no
Speaker 1: no no no no no no no no no. Hold
Speaker 1: on a second, You're not going to just cut me
Speaker 1: off and do that to me when I'm trying to
Speaker 1: navigate through what you're saying. Okay, no, I don't know
Speaker 1: why you're hostile to me tonight, but I disagree with
Speaker 1: something and I'm trying to say that to you, and
Speaker 1: you're a halt and this and that?
Speaker 4: What is this?
Speaker 1: What did I do to you? I'll put you back
Speaker 1: on and I'll just sit back. But I don't know
Speaker 1: what I did wrong to you? Exactly? Do you hear this?
Speaker 1: Be Peter? Am I crazy? Well?
Speaker 3: I heard it, but I mean, yeah, what Jimmy is
Speaker 3: just you know, before you start trailing off, he's trying to,
Speaker 3: I don't know, guess, keep you on a specific part
Speaker 3: of the topic.
Speaker 1: Okay, so I was trailing off. Okay, I'm sorry. I
Speaker 1: did not realize that.
Speaker 3: But no, no, no, no, I'm not saying you were
Speaker 3: trailing off. You're going in a direction that was veering
Speaker 3: off of what his point is. And I'm not sure
Speaker 3: that he's from what I gather. His point is is
Speaker 3: that there was an operation that was going to come up,
Speaker 3: and I don't understand that's the only way he could
Speaker 3: be elected a re elected thing.
Speaker 1: But yeah, I don't think I.
Speaker 3: Personally don't think he was planning on an operation to
Speaker 3: invade Cuba in December, and so he was taken out
Speaker 3: in November because up till that point he was the
Speaker 3: one working. You know, they were working back channels on
Speaker 3: the Cuban missile deal, and it was okay, if you
Speaker 3: were you move your missiles. We won't do this, we
Speaker 3: won't move our missiles into such and such in Germany,
Speaker 3: and blah blah blah blah blah. Yeah, and there was
Speaker 3: that backdoor negotiation that was going on while everybody was
Speaker 3: getting what was coming from the press, and there was
Speaker 3: no mere mention of it. It didn't come out until
Speaker 3: much later that he was talking in fact channels to Russia.
Speaker 1: Yeah, of course, and then that was right. But according
Speaker 1: to a lot of different documentations, sure there were contingency
Speaker 1: plans and various ideas about invading Cuba. But what Jimmy's
Speaker 1: saying is that basically he's like yelling at me that
Speaker 1: I'm not acknowledging with a certainty that a year later
Speaker 1: JFK wouldn't have been reelected. You know what, I have
Speaker 1: trouble making that determination with any sort of certainty based
Speaker 1: on the fact that you know, the election was in
Speaker 1: sixty four, but I don't know, you know, I.
Speaker 3: Can yeah, I feel like there was no question Kennedy
Speaker 3: was going to be re elected. It's just a question
Speaker 3: whether they're going to bring Johnson along or get somebody else. Okay,
Speaker 3: pretty much got to bring Johnson along. It's kind of
Speaker 3: hard to discard your vice president in a second run.
Speaker 1: Well, that might have been the case, but this is
Speaker 1: a whole lot of speculation for something that would have
Speaker 1: been a year later almost, and I just I say no,
Speaker 1: I can't say with certainty that, and then he's like,
Speaker 1: oh pulp this and that. I'm like, dude, calm down,
Speaker 1: you know, let's talk. You know, don't don't try yelling
Speaker 1: at me, Like what am I?
Speaker 4: That's just a Jimmy is okay.
Speaker 1: I just wanted to find out what I did wrong
Speaker 1: there that like all of a sudden he was like
Speaker 1: kind of angry with me. I'm like, what did I
Speaker 1: do to anger him? I don't know, but I'll put
Speaker 1: him back on and let him speak for himself now.
Speaker 1: But I'm not gonna get like yelled at well. I'm
Speaker 1: trying to talk to you and trying to figure out
Speaker 1: what it is. You're asking me anyway, that's that's my job. Yeah,
Speaker 1: well yeah, you yell at me that that's your job exactly. Okay,
Speaker 1: hold on, Jimmy, I'm gonna put you back on. I
Speaker 1: may be totally in the wrong here, but there you go, Jimmy.
Speaker 1: Now you go ahead, I'll shut up.
Speaker 4: Joke.
Speaker 2: Don't believe.
Speaker 1: God damn you because you don't scream over me and
Speaker 1: treat me like a jerk. No, no, no, you're not
Speaker 1: gonna real quickly?
Speaker 4: All right?
Speaker 11: First, thanks, First, last, Okay, when b Pete said I'm
Speaker 11: not sure that he was killed because there was gonna
Speaker 11: be an invasion, I never said anything remotely like that.
Speaker 2: And you to why you get yelled.
Speaker 11: That's because when I speak, you start yacking away and
Speaker 11: still let me finish my point.
Speaker 1: Good lord, Well, I wanted to understand your point, Jimmy,
Speaker 1: and I was trying to do that, and then you
Speaker 1: start barking at me and all this. Well, you don't
Speaker 1: do that to me.
Speaker 3: There you go, you talk blah blah.
Speaker 2: Look here here's the real deal, all right. He asked
Speaker 2: me why they wouldn't have been reelected. Gee, let's see
Speaker 2: the burlin.
Speaker 8: Wall to be of pigs.
Speaker 11: His approval rating was in the shitty. When about the
Speaker 11: face of genius, Goldwater would have wiped the floor with him.
Speaker 2: Maybe he had no chance in how Maybe Watson won
Speaker 2: on the ghost of ft because he was a martyr.
Speaker 2: It's as simple as that.
Speaker 13: And there's plenty of documents showing that there was going
Speaker 13: to be an invasion in Cuba in December, and Bobby
Speaker 13: Kennedy was running the damn thing because he wanted his
Speaker 13: brother to win. That comes from russ That comes from stupids,
Speaker 13: that comes from everyone.
Speaker 1: Okay, so let me you're finished, right, So I'll ask
Speaker 1: a question. Now here's the thing. With a whole year
Speaker 1: going before the election, it seems to me as though
Speaker 1: a year is enough time for everything to change. Uh,
Speaker 1: you know, like say Goldwater doesn't even run, So you don't.
Speaker 2: Know have to do with anything I just done. You
Speaker 2: asked me for reasons why JFK would invade Cuba. I
Speaker 2: gave you one very highly good reason, okay, why it
Speaker 2: was in his In fact, I got one of them
Speaker 2: bastards a tape saying why they were going to do it.
Speaker 1: Okay, But regardless of what it is, that's regardless of
Speaker 1: what it is that we're supposedly planned and everything else.
Speaker 1: I mean, I'd like to see those documents because the
Speaker 1: stuff that I've seen doesn't satisfy to me that there
Speaker 1: was a definite invasion plan. But put that aside, let's
Speaker 1: just say you're right, I'll leave that alone.
Speaker 2: My question is really important I need to add in,
Speaker 2: so okay, could please hold on, Yes, this is an
Speaker 2: important one. Sure you and your documents? Okay, Yeah, Let's
Speaker 2: see what Felix Rodriguez was up to.
Speaker 12: Uh huh, what he was up to preceding the assassination,
Speaker 12: where was he headed?
Speaker 2: And why was he doing it? If there was no
Speaker 2: damned invasion, I'm not dying that there's a lot of
Speaker 2: cub It's doing fascinating things.
Speaker 1: I just I just said, I'll even just you know,
Speaker 1: submit to fine, there was an invasion being planned. Whatever.
Speaker 1: I wanted to ask a different question, but go ahead.
Speaker 2: Well I've got a question. That's question could be.
Speaker 3: If why didn't Johnson carry through with the plans to
Speaker 3: invade Cuba.
Speaker 2: Because maybe it wasn't Johnson's idea, Maybe it was mostly
Speaker 2: Kennedy all hopped up one to get into Cuba. That
Speaker 2: maybe is Robert Kennedy mostly that was worried about it.
Speaker 1: I don't know. I wasn't there.
Speaker 2: I don't care about that part fair enough. Oh I've
Speaker 2: ever cared about is finding out who blew aways Kennedy.
Speaker 1: But the hell was that?
Speaker 2: That's weird, if speaking anyway. Oh and another thing that
Speaker 2: the professor said that was really odd. He somehow got confused.
Speaker 2: He couldn't could see, well, it's it, Ah was the deal.
Speaker 2: Let's see I found that with him and saying, oh,
Speaker 2: it is pretty good.
Speaker 14: Uh something about.
Speaker 2: Oh he thought it was all instantaneous.
Speaker 1: That was cute.
Speaker 12: How he pretended that the people that went the cat
Speaker 12: went to Cuba to take over the joint, got turned around,
Speaker 12: as he put it, and sent back because uh.
Speaker 2: Castro asked him to No, that's not how it worked, professor.
Speaker 12: They got the ship beat out of him and common
Speaker 12: prison for a couple of years.
Speaker 2: That's what led to their anger toward Kennedy.
Speaker 1: It wasn't about.
Speaker 2: Policies, this and the other thing.
Speaker 12: But you won't get that because you're never wear an
Speaker 12: operator and that's a big woop.
Speaker 2: It's just you can't get it. You can't you will, Okay,
Speaker 2: it's too bad. We can't all work together. Your But
Speaker 2: at the end of the day, you know, I was
Speaker 2: just thinking of supposium would be great.
Speaker 12: But as uh you pointed out earlier, normal as soon
Speaker 12: blah blah blah.
Speaker 2: You're right to be just one jackass trying to argue
Speaker 2: with someone else.
Speaker 11: About idy oddic just minute horseship because they want to
Speaker 11: keep this going forever.
Speaker 2: It's a cottage industry. I want to solve the case.
Speaker 2: If they if you don't go start with the top
Speaker 2: man and work your way down, you start from the
Speaker 2: battom and work your way up. Well, they don't want
Speaker 2: to solve the case.
Speaker 12: Well, how I have to solve I don't understand the
Speaker 12: motive is exactly that doubt.
Speaker 2: I'm going to get any help from those COMMI documents. Yeah, okay, yeah,
Speaker 2: all right, I'm I hear you there.
Speaker 1: Look the funny thing is I agree with your ultimate conclusion.
Speaker 1: I wouldn't have put it that way, but ultimately your
Speaker 1: conclusions all correct. And I guess you have arguments with
Speaker 1: stuff that Larry said on the show like a week
Speaker 1: ago plus. Okay, that's what we're talking about here. I
Speaker 1: finally figured that out. But he kind of made a
Speaker 1: joke about, Yeah, what are they going to do? Turn
Speaker 1: around those operators and send them back to Dallas to
Speaker 1: go kill Kennedy. Okay, but that that was his point
Speaker 1: of view. I mean, if you want to, you know,
Speaker 1: go ahead and write, you know, a nice counter to
Speaker 1: what he had to say, and I'll gladly give it
Speaker 1: to him and maybe we'll read it on the show.
Speaker 1: He's supposed to come back, what twenty ninth or the
Speaker 1: thirtieth one or the other on the show. He's a
Speaker 1: little busy this week. But if you want, I'll do that,
Speaker 1: Go ahead and write it up. Tell me exactly what
Speaker 1: it is that I should be bringing up to him,
Speaker 1: and I'll read it verbatim if you like. But this
Speaker 1: is an argument you have with Larry. I'm saying I
Speaker 1: didn't understand the point about like there was no way
Speaker 1: he was going to be elected a year later. I
Speaker 1: get that Johnson got elected, you know, basically on the
Speaker 1: on the sympathy for the murder of JFK. Sure he
Speaker 1: waltz right in there in sixty four because of that.
Speaker 1: Otherwise I don't know if Johnson would have been a
Speaker 1: nationally electable figure at all, you know, personally that's my viewpoint.
Speaker 14: The reason I brought up the reason I brought up
Speaker 14: the election is that was one of the main motivations
Speaker 14: for Bobby Kennedy wanting to go back into Cuba.
Speaker 2: Okay, that's my opinion based on.
Speaker 1: You know, that's evidence, and that's fair enough. You can
Speaker 1: have that opinion, and I can see how that opinion works.
Speaker 1: That's the possibility Bobby Kennedy was involved in a whole
Speaker 1: bunch of crap he didn't want the world to know
Speaker 1: about at that time directly, which is why he literally
Speaker 1: said somebody to interfere with Garrett since investigation. In my mind,
Speaker 1: that's again my mind, and John Mellen thought the same.
Speaker 1: But the thing is, I just I sit here and
Speaker 1: I go, well, I can't predict with any certainty that
Speaker 1: he would or would not have won in sixty four
Speaker 1: had he not been killed. I don't know. I know
Speaker 1: that he would have stayed there for the rest of
Speaker 1: sixty four and he would have finished out his term
Speaker 1: at the very least. But that's the only thing I
Speaker 1: can say with certainty. If he hadn't been killed, I think,
Speaker 1: you know, but I don't have any certainty about the
Speaker 1: election because I've looked at this a lot of different ways,
Speaker 1: and people have made many different arguments about what he
Speaker 1: needed to be re elected or if he would have been.
Speaker 1: I don't think that that matters, because again, he still
Speaker 1: had another year of what it was he was going
Speaker 1: to be doing, whatever that would have been, and whatever
Speaker 1: would have been caused by his actions.
Speaker 2: Right, I mean, he hit he hit put the major there.
Speaker 2: You're right, it doesn't matter as that wasn't his fate. Well,
Speaker 2: people don't want to talk about fate.
Speaker 12: Nonetheless, I could assure you one day we will be fatalities,
Speaker 12: and it won't be when you and I choose.
Speaker 2: Nonetheless, there is such a thing as fate. Can I
Speaker 2: agree with you? And in any case, there is such
Speaker 2: a thing as uh.
Speaker 1: Well, well there you go.
Speaker 8: You and I.
Speaker 1: You and I actually see Yeah, you and I actually
Speaker 1: see things the same way here. There is such a
Speaker 1: thing as fate, And indeed I believe that, Yeah, you're right,
Speaker 1: it is very possible that you and I will be
Speaker 1: fatalities in something that has nothing to do with our
Speaker 1: direct actions in the very near future. I agree with
Speaker 1: all that. But anyway, I give you a chance here
Speaker 1: to throw in a final sentiment before I get to
Speaker 1: the rest of the callers for the week. If you like, Jimmy,
Speaker 1: go ahead.
Speaker 11: Well, I'm like you may think there was inks stranger
Speaker 11: on my site to to or b Pete.
Speaker 2: I was a little hurt by the professor, all right,
Speaker 2: a little stuff and something. Well, I don't know, he's
Speaker 2: just he's held that on his idea.
Speaker 14: Just like you said, you ain't gonna.
Speaker 2: Get off that no more than I'm going to get
Speaker 2: off these cubans. There you go out wherever, there you go.
Speaker 1: So Jimmy James, wait a minute, I had cut you
Speaker 1: off too early. That was an accident. That was an accident,
Speaker 1: sorry accident.
Speaker 2: Look at that. It was a good show you got.
Speaker 2: I mean a loud stuff got covered.
Speaker 1: Wow, miscellaneous tried and hey, I didn't even get to
Speaker 1: mention that the Trump. Hey, I didn't even get the
Speaker 1: chance the kids to mention the Trump. Trump commuted George
Speaker 1: Santos sentence. Apparently I just got that little news brief there,
Speaker 1: a little breaking was commuted George Sanchos.
Speaker 2: Poor guy didn't deserve none of that crap.
Speaker 11: But uh oh, chuck, I used that town percent cold
Speaker 11: last year and I got the deluxe, So you better
Speaker 11: have got money.
Speaker 1: Oh really, I got a double check on that. Oh no,
Speaker 1: it wasn't. Last year wasn't the problems. No, no, Jimmy,
Speaker 1: last year wasn't the problem. Excuse me. It was the
Speaker 1: year before that there was the problem. So anyway, No,
Speaker 1: you're right, you're I bought it.
Speaker 2: Well, he's.
Speaker 1: I don't know. I'm not hearing them. Do you hear them?
Speaker 2: B pete? He that's all I have. Peace?
Speaker 1: There you go, peace, Jimmy, and uh, you know, sorry
Speaker 1: about the aggravation from Professor Hancock or myself or whoever.
Speaker 1: So I suddenly I felt like there was some anger
Speaker 1: there and I didn't know why. I was just trying
Speaker 1: to figure out what you were saying. Okay, anyway, enough
Speaker 1: of that. We solved it. We resolved it, and we
Speaker 1: seem to come down. Yeah, go ahead.
Speaker 4: But he's sick.
Speaker 1: He doesn't feel well. Yeah, that's well, so am I.
Speaker 1: What are you going to do?
Speaker 2: It is what it is.
Speaker 1: The world is sick too, so you know, in a
Speaker 1: sick world, if you're sick, are you actually sick?
Speaker 2: I don't know?
Speaker 1: Tree falling in the woods and all. Anyway, let's go
Speaker 1: over to uh to Chris. Chris, you gotta find a
Speaker 1: word for the week.
Speaker 4: Well, not necessarily.
Speaker 1: Just enjoy your life the best you can.
Speaker 2: Everybody.
Speaker 1: Hey, look, I'm doing the best I can, which reminds me,
Speaker 1: you know what, really quick, I'm willing to do this
Speaker 1: real fast. Unless you've got an extensive thing you want
Speaker 1: to discuss. We could go over my list. You want
Speaker 1: to go over my list? Yeah, let's do it, all right,
Speaker 1: because okay, let's do it. So, as I said before,
Speaker 1: Chris sends me this message and says, you know, give
Speaker 1: me your top five rock songs, like the soundtrack of
Speaker 1: your life. And I said, okay, well, first of all,
Speaker 1: qualify rock and all that. Anyway, I could only get
Speaker 1: it down to seven. So I made this list. Did
Speaker 1: you see it, Chris?
Speaker 4: Yeah?
Speaker 2: While I was on hold.
Speaker 4: Yeah, cheated, Okay, cool.
Speaker 15: I didn't get a chance to listen to the mean
Speaker 15: I'm familiar with the most of them, I'll say.
Speaker 1: Fair enough. Okay, so this is the soundtrack? Is there
Speaker 1: something to this? Because my soundtrack is the best I
Speaker 1: could do is bring it down to seven. And it's
Speaker 1: black Sabbath under the sun, Otis Redding sitting on the
Speaker 1: dock of the Bay sound Garden blow up the outside world,
Speaker 1: black label Society, suicide Messiah, nine inch nails, Hurt, Motorhead,
Speaker 1: I don't believe a word, and rage against the machine,
Speaker 1: Mike check. That represents the best I could do to
Speaker 1: pair it to on to five and I only ended
Speaker 1: up with seven. I couldn't quite do it. So what
Speaker 1: are your thoughts about any of that?
Speaker 2: Look, you know, that's one of those where.
Speaker 4: Realistically we need to sit down to listen each one of.
Speaker 2: Them one other one.
Speaker 1: Okay, well, I'll tell you what you do that right,
Speaker 1: and get back to me on it. Maybe we could
Speaker 1: cover it next week, or we could have an exchange
Speaker 1: on X or both right and just.
Speaker 2: Do it up.
Speaker 1: What do you think? Yeah, all right, that sounds like
Speaker 1: a plan. So you got to find a word for
Speaker 1: the week, like a caper here or something you want
Speaker 1: to go out with.
Speaker 15: Once again, just anybody who's listening, just to just, you know,
Speaker 15: get away from the tech a little bit and just
Speaker 15: focus on enjoying your life a little bit, do something meaningful.
Speaker 7: Absolutely, we'll just leave it at the.
Speaker 1: Can't argue with you there. Chris, Thanks for calling and
Speaker 1: being a part of it and also contributing to the
Speaker 1: network and contributing to the discussions and everything else. I
Speaker 1: appreciate you and I thank you so On top of that,
Speaker 1: we got our last one here because nobody else joined in,
Speaker 1: and it looks like, yeah, Danny, you're going to be
Speaker 1: the last caller to give us a final word for
Speaker 1: the week. What's on your mind? Final word?
Speaker 4: Yeah, just stay away from jealousy and in folks with
Speaker 4: massive Eagles egos.
Speaker 2: That's all I can say.
Speaker 4: And just you know, by anybody out there, help Chuck
Speaker 4: out to get to Texas. I'm going to send you
Speaker 4: something here in a little bit, you know, prior to
Speaker 4: your trip. So hopefully we'll help seeing you know, get
Speaker 4: some beat. Maybe enough people can chip in and maybe
Speaker 4: get your steak dinner or something.
Speaker 1: Wow, well that would be great. Those guys I just
Speaker 1: did a podcast with are gonna go to to uh
Speaker 1: to Dallas and uh. I told them, you know, if
Speaker 1: I can scrape up enough money, we can go over
Speaker 1: to uh Campezes and split a pizza because the pizza
Speaker 1: is not bad and I like going over to Campezes.
Speaker 1: Uh Be Pete and I went when when we went together,
Speaker 1: we went and sat down at the head of the
Speaker 1: table there with the dally Plaza UK people and it
Speaker 1: was great. But if I got a couple of bucks,
Speaker 1: I'm gonna try and make that part of the trip.
Speaker 1: If I can, uh and maybe go with those guys,
Speaker 1: I'll catch a ride. You know, somebody's got to have
Speaker 1: a rent.
Speaker 4: A car, right right, Well, I get if you're hosting
Speaker 4: that year and get out there, I'll make sure we
Speaker 4: go to Campezes my treat.
Speaker 1: Oh man, that would be great, But I don't. I
Speaker 1: don't know if I'm gonna make it another year. But
Speaker 1: you know, who knows, who knows if we'll all be
Speaker 1: here in another year, Danny. I mean, at this rate.
Speaker 2: Positive, I'm trying.
Speaker 1: Look, I'm trying, and I hope you. I hope you're
Speaker 1: around because you're you're you're you're good guy, and you
Speaker 1: got this really long marriage that i'd like to see
Speaker 1: get longer because it really makes me hopeful about the world.
Speaker 1: You know that you that you were still there and
Speaker 1: in a good mood.
Speaker 4: Forty four years the same, the same, don't mine one
Speaker 4: and only. I mean, I count my blessings. We've we've
Speaker 4: built a good life with each other. I'm you know,
Speaker 4: we've had her ups and downs, but a lot more ups,
Speaker 4: you know, and we've come together.
Speaker 2: It's I think it's been easy.
Speaker 4: I mean, all the dramas you know, there's just no time.
Speaker 1: For that exactly. Well, look, man, God made the gods
Speaker 1: bless you and her and all things that you touch, man,
Speaker 1: because you're a good guy and I appreciate you. So
Speaker 1: that's Danny from California, and man, it's always good to
Speaker 1: hear from him and everybody else on the show. I
Speaker 1: appreciate you, guys. Bet Pete. I guess it's all up
Speaker 1: to you to close this one out because obviously we're
Speaker 1: not going to have Aaron on tonight. My voice is show,
Speaker 1: but we went a little extra even so it is
Speaker 1: what it is, almost two and a half hours tonight,
Speaker 1: and I think that's good enough for a Friday night.
Speaker 1: What do you say?
Speaker 3: Well, all I can say is thanks everybody for calling in.
Speaker 3: You know, we covered a lot of topics tonight, so
Speaker 3: we'll just get ready and do it again next week.
Speaker 3: Other than that, everybody go to a Chelli dot com
Speaker 3: hit to donate button and do what you can. Thanks
Speaker 3: to Jimmy and Chris and to Danny, and I'll throw
Speaker 3: it back to you there.
Speaker 1: You go, and I do appreciate you guys. Of course
Speaker 1: I don't even survive without you. But also we keep
Speaker 1: this going and we'll keep it up. I'm still looking
Speaker 1: for ideas if you want to expand the call in
Speaker 1: shows on the network, if you think that we should
Speaker 1: add other things, other suggestions by all means, email me
Speaker 1: blind JFK Researcher at gmail dot com, or you can
Speaker 1: send it the same thing for the you know, for
Speaker 1: the front page. If you want to send articles and
Speaker 1: ideas and things like that, info at ochelly dot com.
Speaker 1: You can message me on X reach me any which
Speaker 1: way you want, because this show exists to serve those
Speaker 1: of you that do support it, and I appreciate you guys,
Speaker 1: and especially if you're chipping in much appreciation. You know,
Speaker 1: everybody that you heard on the show tonight, to be
Speaker 1: honest with you, is somebody who does contribute in some way,
Speaker 1: so you know what, I appreciate them, and I hope
Speaker 1: that those of you that are just listening to this,
Speaker 1: you know and not calling in. First of all, I
Speaker 1: wish you would on some one of these Friday nights,
Speaker 1: but also if you want more chances to get on
Speaker 1: the air and talk or interact or you know, change
Speaker 1: the direction of the show. I'm open to it all
Speaker 1: because that's the way this goes, and you know, I
Speaker 1: do it my way, but I definitely hear all the
Speaker 1: feedback and anything you got to say, and I leave
Speaker 1: it open every Friday to do that. So here it is,
Speaker 1: and I'm glad that I got my co host be
Speaker 1: Pete with me to do it. And I'm especially grateful
Speaker 1: for those of you listening. I am, after all, just O'shelley.
Speaker 1: You are