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Speaker 1: You're listening to a classic edition of the Unknown Origins

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Radio show here on the Paranormal UK Radio Network. Hi,

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this is barniefas Gerald from GHOS Hunters International and you're

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listening to Unknown Origins Radio.

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Speaker 2: We live in a world filled with the unknown. Ghosts

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and spirits wander through our physical existence. Unknown creatures work

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in the shadows, and strange lights and craft dominate our skies.

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Credible eyewitnesses are convinced these things are real, yet modern

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science refuses to acknowledge their existence, so it's up to

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individual researchers to search for the truth. Welcome to Unknown

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Speaker 1: Good evening, everybody, and welcome to another edition of Unknown

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Origins Radio where we talk about everything having to do

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with the strange and paranormal. I'm your host, Mark Johnson

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and joining me as our co host Lauren de Pinto.

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How are you doing tonight, Lauren?

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Speaker 3: I'm doing really really well.

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Speaker 1: Mark.

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Speaker 3: What's going on?

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Speaker 1: Oh? Well, despite the fact that you know, I hate Skype,

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I hate it with a passion and like our weather

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as our guest who will be introducing here soon pointed

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a sound check, we test everything, and then all heck

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breaks loose with you know, Skype not behaving. But you

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know what, better late than never. We're here on the

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air tonight. I just want to point out for everyone

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a fun time there during the show.

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Speaker 3: We do. It's a lot of fun. I love that

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new setup. Did a good job.

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Speaker 1: Oh thank you, thank you.

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Speaker 3: I pat myself on the back thereat.

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Speaker 4: Now.

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Speaker 3: I don't know if we're going to go right into

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speaking with Chase, but I wanted to kind of bring

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up really quick that that airline, that that airplane that's

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missing about that, Yes, the Malaysian Airline.

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Speaker 1: Yeah I believe it was terrorism.

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Speaker 3: Oh I think so too.

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Speaker 1: You know, they have those two guys that had stolen passports.

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Speaker 3: Oh yeah, but they said that in the news that

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that was happening. That seems to happen on a frequent basis,

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where people you know, coming to with stolen passports and

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that they have explosives, so that's that's a bit bizarre.

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They also said that five people checked in but didn't

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board the flight, so there's a lot of you know,

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question marks surrounding this, especially where is the airplane. You know,

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they have so many people scouring the ocean.

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Speaker 1: Well, if the airplane, if it exploded, it might have

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disintegrated and then those pieces hit the ocean and sink

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and then that's it. That's true, So who knows. It's

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a shame. This is unfortunately the world we live in.

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I don't know what the hell happened to it. I'm

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see if, you know, if she knows anybody we can

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hit a ride. You know, I'm ready to get out

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of here. But I also want to mention, you know,

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you heard our promo at the beginning of the show.

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We have Phenomicon coming up in literally a month from today.

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Speaker 3: Well for me it would be a month from yesterday.

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Speaker 1: But yes, yes, well, yeah, well we're arriving a month,

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we're arriving the night before. But yet it's in Gettysburg, Pennsylvania,

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April tenth through the thirteenth at the Eisenhower Hotel and

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so you can get your tickets at Phenomiconcentral dot com

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and it's a great lineup of people, and Lauren and

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to be there. I'm going to be doing my talk

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the new updated version of The Psychic Spy by Irene

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Book one the Tower, nice paranormal you know mystery. Yes, yes,

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that's that's going to be a good book. I can't

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Speaker 1: So, got a lot. We're gonna be busy this next month.

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We got a lot coming up. So with that said,

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let's go ahead and get into our show. We have

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a great guest tonight. Our guest is a longtime friend

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of ours. We used to be when we were on

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k g RA. She also had a show there called

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Project White Paper, and another show that she currently also

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co hosts called Encounters with a lineup of other great ufologists,

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Race Hobbes, our great friend, Race, and Richard Dole and

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Mac maloney. So we're really excited to welcome Chase Klotsky

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to the program tonight. How are you tonight, Chase.

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Speaker 5: I am so happy to be here tonight with you, guys.

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I love visiting Dark Matter Radio and Unknown Origins of course.

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Speaker 3: Oh yeah, welcome.

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Speaker 1: Well, we're glad to have you, and I invited you

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not only because you know we would talking to you

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you're such a great person and you do a lot

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of great adventures. And the one specifically that you recently

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went on, which is a subject very dear to my heart.

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I'm fascinated with this is you took a trip down

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to South America, and I was wondering if you could

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start by telling us what prompted that trip and what

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were you hoping to get out of it.

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Speaker 5: Well, the trip was prompted probably by most definitely, not

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probably definitely La Marzouli and La and Richard Shaw are

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most famous for doing. It's a documentary series called Watchers,

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and they're killing it out here. These guys have presented

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more physical and trace evidence into the UFO phenomena as

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well as many others. They discuss everything from the shroud

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of tour into the Bible code, prophecies, paranormal black eyed children,

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if it's unknown, they're covering it in this documentary that

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they've produced and it's mega successful. Well, La has been

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and he has been researching giants and these elongated skulls

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and he had run across a video from Brian Forrester

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down in Peru, Paracas, Peru, and he just with him.

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He just had to get down there and visit some

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of these megalithic structures, the pyramids, and to examine hands

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Speaker 6: So Watchers six.

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Speaker 5: Actually premiered the first investigation. So they did a little

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preliminary work on this and some results, very very preliminary

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results came forward just as we returned back, because we

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Peru and finish a lot more of this investigation. We

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did everything from Inca stones to the skulls, pyramids. Mommies,

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Speaker 1: Oh my god, what didn't you do?

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recommend if anybody is on Facebook and you go to

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Chase's Facebook page the pictures that you were posting on

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your trip and when you got back, you're hitting all

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those spots I want to go visit, you know, the

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Speaker 6: Great Yeah, it was.

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Speaker 5: It was a dream in so many ways to be

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standing in front of some of these structures that you know,

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it was shocking. And there were a few little things

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Speaker 5: I don't know why, but in my head they were

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huge and I get up to them and it kind

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of reminded me of that movie's final tap where they

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lowered down the Yeah it's his stinky little idol, because

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they're only about three feet tall, is that right?

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Speaker 1: Yeah? I thought they were like five feet tall or something.

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you know, things like that, but honestly, for the most part,

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things are much more epic in person, and it was

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an extraordinary trip, it really was.

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Speaker 1: Now. You know, there's so much mystery surrounding these sites

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down there from the NOSCA lines really made famous by

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you know, they that and the documentary and his books

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thought they might have been landing fields, but really, you know,

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more research shows that it could possibly be some type

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of app system because a lot of the lines. If

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the world. I mean, what do you what are your

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Speaker 5: Well, and they're still discovering more and more of these

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earth geometrics. They're they're finding some of these lines that

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look more like crop circles. They're they're mathematical, they're sacred geometry.

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believe that the theory's grown since the initial discovery or

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reveal from Eric Vondanagan. But you know, thank goodness that

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we have, you know, people out here, brave, brave researchers

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and academics that aren't afraid to go against the grain

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and stand up and say, wait a minute, okay, what

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and I thought, I've never heard questions like this. I've

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never heard anyone quest something from a Bible or something

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Speaker 6: So I thought it was brilliant.

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Speaker 5: And but yes, you're absolutely right saying the theory has grown.

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Speaker 1: And you know, that's the one thing about his book

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that a lot of people don't realize. Everybody, you know,

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especially a lot of his naysayers and skeptics, go, oh yeah, well,

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he said, this is what happened, and this is what happened.

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and he lists these questions like could this have been

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a possibility? Why is this here? Why? You know, he

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just postulated these theories and ideas. He wasn't saying, yes,

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this is this was definitely aliens. You know, it's not

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like Georgia Suklos going, I'm not saying it was aliens,

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Speaker 6: I love that guy, and.

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Speaker 1: It's it's there was a about a year or so ago,

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I saw some documentary that tried to explain the Nasca

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lines as religious ceremonies, that the Native Peruvian Indians would

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walk these lines as paths as part of their spiritual

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you know, ceremonies. And I'm watching this program and I

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just really wanted to find a large rock and throw

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it through my TV and go how stupid do you

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guys have to be considering serious?

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Speaker 5: Except honestly when you're talking. One of the best things

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that we did was we weren't the tourist. We were

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with Brian Forrester and he, you know, his wife Irene

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was our interpreter and she lives there, so it does Brian.

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He's lived there for four years. And you know, so

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we took the unbeaten path, which wasn't always the safest thing.

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they that's what the Nasca natives say. They say that

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these were more ritualistic back in the day. It's it's

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bizarre and they know it. But we were flying over

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the Nasca lines and uh La asked the pilot, you know,

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Speaker 6: And he had the you know, same party line.

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Speaker 5: They they don't say aliens did them or you know,

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different their interpretation of a lot of these humongous, humongous

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discoveries and what the Peruvian people think of them.

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Speaker 1: Well, see, I'm I've been leaning towards a lot of

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these theories, especially a lot of these structures down there

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in South America, in Peru and nearby where's where was

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Puma Punku located?

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Speaker 6: Again, that's in Bolivia, Bolivia.

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Speaker 1: Okay, it's right over in Bolivia. And you know, I'm

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of the opinion not so much of a aliens these days.

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these structures and maybe even carved the Nosca lines. But

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it's I leaned towards the fact that I think that

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there were way more advanced human civilizations back then that

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were older than we think than what science would tell us.

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That maybe we used to be a hell of a

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lot smarter and had higher levels of technology. And let's

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face it, if there's a natural disaster or we destroy ourselves, hello,

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Putin and Obama and all you guys ready to go

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to war that you know, and we all have to

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start over again, right Yeah. You hear of the wars

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that they talk about in the uh, the Indian Epics

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and the you know where they talk about what sounds

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like nuclear war and flying machines and missiles and and

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you know, who's to say that there weren't some of

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these big wars or catastrophes that kind of we booted

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us as a race and we had to start all

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Speaker 5: That's exactly the conclusion most of us are coming to

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when you visit and examine these sites. First of all,

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these are not tombs, you know where the royals were buried,

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and some of these pyramids, these were functional buildings of mechanics.

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that today we cannot duplicate without serious attention and the

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most advanced engineering methodologies and planning, and then let's bring

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in the big trucks, you have to come to that conclusion.

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Either we were helped by higher intelligence or you're exactly

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right that there was an exvance civilization that we just

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haven't discovered yet, because it is very apparent. The other

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thing that I was personally shocked and was, you know,

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working with la on a theory, is literally when you're there,

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the first thing you notice are some of these structures

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are thrown. They're literally it looks like somebody put this

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big piece of dynamite or something and just blasted these

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things all over the place. Because that's exactly what we found,

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and so you kind of it makes you wonder, and

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you have to examine alternative theories. You can't just say

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aliens did it and that's it, you know, And that's

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what we do with LA. I was kicking and screaming,

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you guys, because I'm a eufologist.

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Speaker 6: I'm nuts and bolts evidence, you know.

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Speaker 5: I've been doing this for twenty years, and now I'm

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with a group that's saying we don't think they're you know,

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aliens from polates Chase. We think that these are the

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fallen angels that are documented in ancient texts going way

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back in many religions. We know giants were here on

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the earth, and we believe that this is the nepheline

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and the technology of these fallen angels, which are eternal

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beings with a massive amount of technological knowledge and a

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universal view that were cast down. Now, when you have

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that kind of knowledge, but you know, you're kind of

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stuck here. I kind of think of like a seal

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team being sent to a very remote island. They would

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still try to, you know, develop calm and you know,

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communications and things like this, you know, a shelter, places

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to organize and meet and plan, but they'd have to

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use the tools that were available so versus the big,

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you know, fancy buildings that they used to Now with

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all the air conditioning, they may just have to use

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a grass hut for a while, but it still probably

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would offer more intelligence than you know, the natives that

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are you know, soon to come after well.

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Speaker 1: You know, in these you mentioned these old stories of

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the of the the watchers, the Nephelam fallen angels. And again,

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are we talking about other races of beings coming from

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the stars or are we talking about again possibly more

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advanced forms of human beings possibly, you know, maybe there

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or were isolated pockets of more advanced civilizations and the

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more primitive civilizations, and who knows if they've overlapped, if

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there was some types of experiments or cross breeding. I mean,

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there is the theories that you know, alien races played

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a hand in creating the human race to begin with.

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Maybe it's a mixture of both. I don't know. I

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do seem to want to lean more towards most of

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what we're finding to possibly be we are the ones

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who created it, but we certainly had a lot different

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knowledge back then.

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Speaker 6: You have to follow the evidence. That's the tough part.

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Speaker 5: And when you listen to some of the theories, and

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of course some of the greats that came before is

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like Jay Allen Heinez and Jacques Vala and David Jacobs,

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you know, in his over thirty years of studying examining,

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you know, regression, which I'm not a big fan of,

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but you know, all the study that he's done with

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the abductees and the information he's gathered, they've all come

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to pretty much a few conclusions that are similar to

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each other, which is the same one I have. One,

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They're probably not coming here on a full tank of

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gas and a red bull, so they're most likely dimensional

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and using jump technology and quantum physics type advancement to

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get here. And number two, whatever is the agenda isn't

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good for us. Jay Allen, Heinek, Jacques Valais, they all

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agreed they're most likely demonic beings that are described in

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our Bible, that these are a race of beings. You know,

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if you kind of get take out that image that

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we've been given of these angels as spirits with wings

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and all this, and realize that this is probably you know,

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flesh and blood species that is much different than humans.

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Of course they are they be human. You know that

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they were cast down. They were sent down here, they

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had sex with human women, created a hybrid race. We

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know that typically hybrids cannot reproduce. Oh my gosh, we're

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just falling into a rabbit hole, aren't we, guys? Right,

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That's great, keep going, It's it's you know, these are

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theories that we have to seriously look into with the

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same tenacity and vigor as we have the nuts and

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bolts of community, because truthfully, in fifty years in that community,

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we have no more evidence than what is being presented

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through the you know, angelic theory.

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Speaker 6: It's just amazing stuff.

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Speaker 5: And I'm kicking and screaming you guys, because I do

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not want it to be there. But even my my evidence,

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the things I've seen, the conclusions I have to come

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with as we're discovering DNA samples and seeing these things,

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I'm falling into camp kicking and screaming.

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Speaker 1: Yeah. I have. In the last ten years or so,

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I've had my beliefs drastically changed from being just a

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paranormal researcher looking at ghosts to totally expanding my paradigm

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and my worldview on all subjects. And instead of staying

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with the tried and true tradition of what tradition tells

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us these things are. I've broken away from the pack,

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so to speak. And again I'm speaking for me, not

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for Lauren, because you know, even Lauren and I we

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sometimes go at it in debating. But for again, for

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me personal I lean towards multi dimensional or interdimensional. For

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most of these I don't follow. Again, this is my opinion.

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I don't follow with the whole demonic, angelic thing. I

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think that's ways of that we've learned to describe certain things,

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and we're still trying to kind of look at the

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religious aspects of it. When if you really look at nature,

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if you really look in what surrounds us, some things

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may look good from one angle, some things may look

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evil from another angle. I mean, you have a nice

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kiddy cat at home, and he's all sweet, and this

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is what happened with one of my cats last night,

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all sweet and cuddling prairie. But you know what, he

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walks in from the garage and he has a mouse

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in a and he kills it. And so what is he?

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Is he bad or is he good? You know, it's

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he just is. And so I think we're a little

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too quick to want to point at things and say

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they're not good for us, they're bad for us, or

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they have an evil agenda, but we may not be

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able to comprehend that agenda because if they are more

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advanced than us, then we may not be able to

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understand what their reasoning really is.

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Speaker 5: I agree, it's why we're on the trail. It's this

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is still such anomalous, you know theory. There's so much

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going on out there, and you know, whether you're a

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paranormal investigator, you know, looking for strange creatures, these reports

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are epic. They are almost epidemic levels. They're not going away.

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They're reported by honest, for credible people. We could, you know,

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talk about the astronauts and the police officers and military,

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all the people that were known and told to trust.

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But let's not forget the little Christian grandmother you know

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that has this little farm and you know the backwoods

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of Tennessee, that wouldn't lie to save her life telling

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you about a UFO event. There's just way too much

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going on. It's not slowing down. It is burgeoning. And

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thank goodness that we have a little behind us, because wow,

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don't we love our jobs.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I just waited they paid better.

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Speaker 6: Yeah, for real, Well.

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Speaker 5: You know most of our loves, you know, if my

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husband loves golf, and that cost us a fortune every

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time he likes to go as often as he does.

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So I guess our passions are supposed to hit a

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little harder than maybe a work living.

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Speaker 6: I don't know.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, I mean, if we could find a way

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to make it pay without seeming too opportunistic, because I

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would do this full time if I could, because that's

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how passionate I am about the subjects. That's my passion.

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It is. It is, say, if you all want to

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pay me to do this, feel free pay me.

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Speaker 3: That'd be nice, But.

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Speaker 1: You know it's also for me. It's really important to

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try to get to the truth and find out what

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that is. And you know, there were a lot of

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concepts I fought well. I remember originally reading you know,

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when Whitley Strieber first came out with Communion and then

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his follow up Transformation, which I thought really was an

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even better book because it really delved into more personal

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of the contact experience for him. And I remember there

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was one thing he mentioned in his book about they

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took him on the craft and they opened up this drawer,

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and in the drawer were what looked there were alien

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bodies stacked in the drawer that looked like they were dead,

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but they were laying there. And he said that these

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beings seemed really happy to show this to him. And

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it started that incident alone started me thinking about the

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fact that could these beings, or these what we see

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as the grays or other races of these aliens being

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multi dimensional or maybe what would even consider existing on

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a spiritual existence. The way that they interact in this

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world is to have these temporary bodies like I like

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to call meat suits, yes, to come in and they're

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able to inhabit and work and interact with us in

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this environment.

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Speaker 5: Well, and let's not forget in his original book, and

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I am quoting, I felt an absolutely indescribable sense of menace.

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It was hell on earth to be there in the

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presence of these entities. And yet I couldn't move, I

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couldn't cry out, I couldn't get away. I lay as

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still as death, suffering inner agonies. Whatever there seemed to be,

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whatever was there seemed so monstrously ugly, so filthy and

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dark and sinister. Of course, they were demons, they had

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to be, and they were here and I.

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Speaker 6: Could not get away. That was in his book Communion.

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Speaker 5: So I often wonder when we're examining, you know, the

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full reports of abductees, their initial thoughts and reports, when

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they first started realizing abduction was happening, and then you

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see many of them take on a progression of almost

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Stockholm syndrome, where they start identifying with the beings and

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then pretty soon well, they're so lucky it was a

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good thing, and there's they're here for humanity. Well, I

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don't know about you, but to me, the whole thing

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sounds like a deception and brainwashing. And it's human nature

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to have kind of that syndrome where you start identifying

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with something. But in most cases these abductee reports are horrific,

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and they're terrified and they were taken against their will.

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Speaker 6: That is not a good thing.

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Speaker 1: There's a lot of if in the work of doctor

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John Mack and in Dolores Dolorus Cannon, who both using

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hypnotherapy or hypnosis hypnotic regression to take these experiences back

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and talking about their experiences. There are a lot of

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these people and again you mentioned that you have an

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issue with the whole hypnotherapy angle of it.

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Speaker 6: Yeah, not a fan.

474
00:27:54,440 --> 00:27:58,559
Speaker 1: Yeah, so you know, it's not a proven fact what

475
00:27:58,720 --> 00:28:00,920
these people what they're coming up with. There are problems

476
00:28:00,960 --> 00:28:03,960
with it. But a lot of people who were interviewed

477
00:28:03,960 --> 00:28:07,079
by doctor mac and also by Dolores Cannon, who talk

478
00:28:07,119 --> 00:28:10,920
about the fact that they agreed to this either on

479
00:28:11,000 --> 00:28:14,000
a subconscious level, spiritual level, or before they even came

480
00:28:14,039 --> 00:28:17,839
into this lifetime. And you know, whether that is a

481
00:28:17,880 --> 00:28:23,559
false memory being imprinted to regurgitate later to justify it,

482
00:28:24,000 --> 00:28:27,680
or whether it's real, we have no idea, you know,

483
00:28:27,799 --> 00:28:30,880
are these things is what we would what we consider

484
00:28:30,920 --> 00:28:34,240
to be evil and menacing be actually just something that's

485
00:28:34,240 --> 00:28:36,680
beyond our comprehension. And that's how the only way we

486
00:28:36,680 --> 00:28:37,599
can interpret.

487
00:28:37,319 --> 00:28:40,960
Speaker 5: It absolutely, and I know that there's a lot of

488
00:28:41,000 --> 00:28:45,000
truth to that. And as you know, technology advances, and

489
00:28:45,279 --> 00:28:47,960
you know, our computers you help us get smarter, and

490
00:28:48,319 --> 00:28:52,480
we're faster, and information is at our fingertips at lightning speed.

491
00:28:53,200 --> 00:28:55,480
You know, I believe we're getting closer to the answers

492
00:28:55,920 --> 00:29:00,319
we've never experienced as a human race, a technological boom

493
00:29:00,359 --> 00:29:06,240
and advancement that affected all of humanity. Ever, as fast

494
00:29:06,279 --> 00:29:09,599
as we have in the last what seventy five years.

495
00:29:09,880 --> 00:29:14,000
It's incredible pace that we're on, and I do believe

496
00:29:14,039 --> 00:29:17,599
that we're, you know, gearing up for a crescendo.

497
00:29:17,720 --> 00:29:18,400
Speaker 6: Whatever that is.

498
00:29:18,440 --> 00:29:21,519
Speaker 5: It could be disclosure, because our government's not going to

499
00:29:21,519 --> 00:29:23,880
give us that information. It is going to take an

500
00:29:23,920 --> 00:29:25,759
event that they cannot explain away.

501
00:29:27,160 --> 00:29:27,799
Speaker 6: It is coming.

502
00:29:28,359 --> 00:29:32,799
Speaker 5: I believe disclosure is on its way, and I'm not

503
00:29:32,880 --> 00:29:36,480
sure that we're actually going to like the answer, whatever

504
00:29:36,519 --> 00:29:36,960
that may be.

505
00:29:37,920 --> 00:29:39,880
Speaker 3: And are we ready for it, really.

506
00:29:40,000 --> 00:29:42,480
Speaker 1: Well, that's going to be a big This is where

507
00:29:42,559 --> 00:29:45,880
I don't think disclosure is ever going to come up.

508
00:29:46,079 --> 00:29:49,279
I don't think, you know, it would even if aliens

509
00:29:49,359 --> 00:29:51,599
landed on the White House lawn, they'd find a way

510
00:29:51,640 --> 00:29:55,039
to tell you that it was our imaginations, because I

511
00:29:55,079 --> 00:29:58,720
think they've got their hands on technology and they know things.

512
00:29:59,039 --> 00:30:01,880
They absolutely you do not want a sheep all to

513
00:30:01,960 --> 00:30:05,160
know about it, and they're going to deny, deny, deny, deny.

514
00:30:05,519 --> 00:30:08,480
And even if other governments like the UK or Canada

515
00:30:08,960 --> 00:30:11,480
or France or any of them come out and disclose

516
00:30:11,720 --> 00:30:14,680
UFO information here in America and in the United States,

517
00:30:14,720 --> 00:30:18,160
it is still laughed at by the media, you know,

518
00:30:18,200 --> 00:30:20,559
which is run by the government, whether we want to

519
00:30:20,599 --> 00:30:24,240
admit it or not. And the government itself they say

520
00:30:24,359 --> 00:30:28,759
UFOs do not exist, when we have the overwhelming amount

521
00:30:28,799 --> 00:30:34,079
of evidence that says it does. And when you talk

522
00:30:34,119 --> 00:30:37,200
about the you know, the evil, whether these aliens are evil,

523
00:30:37,279 --> 00:30:39,200
and how people react to it. I mean, we had

524
00:30:39,240 --> 00:30:41,960
a great guest on last week. Or name is Sonny Williams,

525
00:30:42,359 --> 00:30:44,680
and Sonny, I know you're listening tonight. I see in

526
00:30:44,720 --> 00:30:48,759
the chat room and she she is a long time

527
00:30:49,920 --> 00:30:53,079
alien experience R abductee and she runs a group down

528
00:30:53,079 --> 00:30:56,039
in Texas called Lights in the Texas Sky. And she

529
00:30:56,200 --> 00:30:59,839
was telling us this one part where she woke up

530
00:31:00,039 --> 00:31:03,240
in her bed she was paralyzed, and there was these

531
00:31:03,359 --> 00:31:06,720
creatures standing around the bed, almost like in hooded robes,

532
00:31:07,160 --> 00:31:12,359
and you can almost take almost the satanic demonic imagery

533
00:31:12,400 --> 00:31:14,960
from it because they're wearing these black robes covering their

534
00:31:14,960 --> 00:31:19,000
faces and they're repeating over and over again saying, you

535
00:31:19,039 --> 00:31:23,759
are not cooperating, you are not cooperating. And this went on.

536
00:31:24,000 --> 00:31:25,839
She said that she was able to see the clock

537
00:31:25,880 --> 00:31:29,400
and not move for two hours, two solid hours, and

538
00:31:29,440 --> 00:31:33,160
then finally this other being walks in one of the

539
00:31:33,799 --> 00:31:36,119
large ones that they talk about. The eight foot tall

540
00:31:36,160 --> 00:31:39,200
one had to bow down to come in the doorway

541
00:31:39,680 --> 00:31:41,680
and walks up and gets right in her face, and

542
00:31:42,400 --> 00:31:46,240
she hears in her husband's voice saying it's gonna be okay.

543
00:31:47,279 --> 00:31:50,759
I'll take care of you. Well, she reacted very violently

544
00:31:50,799 --> 00:31:53,039
to that. She actually was able to break free enough

545
00:31:53,079 --> 00:31:57,359
to strike the creature on the shoulder and it left

546
00:31:57,440 --> 00:32:01,680
kind of upset. And then these all left. But you know, again,

547
00:32:02,079 --> 00:32:05,240
they tormented her for two hours. She said it felt

548
00:32:05,240 --> 00:32:08,359
like torture, and then this being comes in trying to

549
00:32:08,359 --> 00:32:10,960
tell her it's going to be okay, and she didn't

550
00:32:11,079 --> 00:32:12,440
by that point, she didn't want to hear it.

551
00:32:13,240 --> 00:32:14,440
Speaker 6: Yeah, I don't blame her.

552
00:32:14,799 --> 00:32:18,599
Speaker 5: That's a shocking account and very brave for her to

553
00:32:18,640 --> 00:32:21,759
come forward and share her story, because I guarantee there

554
00:32:21,759 --> 00:32:25,000
are many others out here that may know exactly the

555
00:32:25,079 --> 00:32:28,519
feeling or what she went through. So, you know, kudos

556
00:32:28,559 --> 00:32:30,200
to her and big pat.

557
00:32:30,039 --> 00:32:30,319
Speaker 6: In the back.

558
00:32:30,359 --> 00:32:33,079
Speaker 5: I'd hug her if I saw her, But you know,

559
00:32:33,160 --> 00:32:37,920
this is what we hear over and over and I

560
00:32:37,960 --> 00:32:41,400
don't like it. I don't like it, and to me,

561
00:32:42,240 --> 00:32:45,799
it's you know, you kind of wonder, are there good aliens,

562
00:32:45,839 --> 00:32:49,400
bad aliens, you know, good angels, bad angels. It doesn't

563
00:32:49,440 --> 00:32:52,640
matter if they're affect in humanity and we're under some

564
00:32:52,680 --> 00:32:56,799
sort of manipulation, even with them changing our genome or

565
00:32:57,039 --> 00:33:00,000
a hybrid program, this is all done without our permission,

566
00:33:00,039 --> 00:33:03,680
and I just it's wrong. It's it's not part of

567
00:33:04,519 --> 00:33:07,519
are what we consider our God given right of free will,

568
00:33:08,079 --> 00:33:11,119
and for us to be treated this way, it's no

569
00:33:11,200 --> 00:33:16,000
different than how we treat our cattle, our dolphins, our

570
00:33:16,039 --> 00:33:19,599
little whales at sea world. And you know, maybe it's

571
00:33:19,720 --> 00:33:22,119
just the way it is in the cosmos. You know,

572
00:33:22,400 --> 00:33:25,440
it's kind of that question that I still suffer with

573
00:33:25,480 --> 00:33:29,799
today with God, and that is is God powerful because

574
00:33:29,839 --> 00:33:33,720
he's right? Or is he right because he's powerful?

575
00:33:34,799 --> 00:33:37,160
Speaker 1: Depends on if you're looking at the Older New Testament.

576
00:33:38,519 --> 00:33:40,839
In the Old Testament, he says do as I say

577
00:33:40,880 --> 00:33:46,720
and shut up. You know. That's that's basically it. I

578
00:33:46,759 --> 00:33:48,640
had a thought there and now went out when hear

579
00:33:48,640 --> 00:33:54,200
and out the other these If you look at say,

580
00:33:54,240 --> 00:33:56,440
we have our pets, you know, we think look at

581
00:33:56,440 --> 00:33:59,000
them as part of our family. Our dogs or cats

582
00:33:59,039 --> 00:34:03,200
are gerbils, you know, and they get sick or they

583
00:34:03,200 --> 00:34:05,359
need shots, whatever, what do we do? We take them

584
00:34:05,359 --> 00:34:08,559
to the vet. Have you known any animal who likes

585
00:34:08,559 --> 00:34:11,239
to go to the vet? They are scared to death?

586
00:34:11,880 --> 00:34:13,000
Speaker 6: Are they self aware?

587
00:34:13,880 --> 00:34:14,119
Speaker 2: See?

588
00:34:14,159 --> 00:34:16,480
Speaker 6: This is I think that's the difference.

589
00:34:16,960 --> 00:34:21,519
Speaker 5: We know that elephants have a self awareness, whales and dolphins,

590
00:34:21,920 --> 00:34:25,039
you know, so they do understand that they don't have

591
00:34:25,079 --> 00:34:28,360
a choice, you know, And I think that's the difference.

592
00:34:28,440 --> 00:34:31,599
Speaker 6: You know, humanity, humans, we are different.

593
00:34:32,280 --> 00:34:36,519
Speaker 5: We're set apart, and it's because of that intellect and

594
00:34:36,559 --> 00:34:41,920
self awareness and morality codes that are supposed to put

595
00:34:42,000 --> 00:34:43,079
us in charge somehow.

596
00:34:44,280 --> 00:34:48,360
Speaker 1: At the same time, though, the argument could be made

597
00:34:48,400 --> 00:34:52,519
that we are taking the pets to the vet for

598
00:34:52,639 --> 00:34:56,119
their own good and the pets don't know that. They

599
00:34:56,119 --> 00:34:59,800
don't they can't comprehend that. Now, again, we are more

600
00:35:00,000 --> 00:35:04,280
advanced and we have that self awareness and consciousness that's

601
00:35:04,360 --> 00:35:07,280
different from the animals. But if you're looking, if you

602
00:35:07,360 --> 00:35:11,800
want to compare that to us and a more intelligent species,

603
00:35:11,840 --> 00:35:14,159
what do they know or what do they comprehend that

604
00:35:14,280 --> 00:35:15,760
we don't and maybe we can't.

605
00:35:16,760 --> 00:35:19,679
Speaker 5: I do absolutely understand what you're saying, and that is

606
00:35:19,840 --> 00:35:22,119
part of you know, some of the things that we

607
00:35:22,239 --> 00:35:26,280
consider when we're trying to conclude certain cases absolutely, Mark,

608
00:35:26,360 --> 00:35:29,519
it's you know, it's a tough science. It's a tough, tough,

609
00:35:29,559 --> 00:35:33,199
tough phenomenon to look into. It's unknown. It's why science

610
00:35:33,239 --> 00:35:36,320
doesn't address it. Science wants two and two to equal four,

611
00:35:36,880 --> 00:35:40,719
and they can prove that over and over and over again. However,

612
00:35:40,800 --> 00:35:45,199
we all know that unusual things, extraordinary things happen to

613
00:35:45,360 --> 00:35:48,960
very credible people every single day. Science can't explain it,

614
00:35:49,239 --> 00:35:52,719
so they brush it away. But it doesn't take away

615
00:35:52,760 --> 00:35:57,199
that these things do happen. And you know, so thank goodness,

616
00:35:57,239 --> 00:35:59,880
you know we're here, we're talking about it, we're sharing stories,

617
00:36:00,199 --> 00:36:03,119
and we're trying to find the answers and the only

618
00:36:03,159 --> 00:36:04,840
way we're going to get them is to get on

619
00:36:04,920 --> 00:36:05,360
that trail.

620
00:36:05,440 --> 00:36:07,760
Speaker 6: Get the boots on the ground. Let's go out. We

621
00:36:07,880 --> 00:36:09,800
need to cooperate with one another.

622
00:36:09,960 --> 00:36:14,480
Speaker 5: Stop the little freaking drama, queen, you know, jilted drama.

623
00:36:14,800 --> 00:36:15,440
You know what I mean.

624
00:36:16,119 --> 00:36:18,079
Speaker 6: And you know we get along and share.

625
00:36:18,840 --> 00:36:21,199
Speaker 5: You guys don't care if I'm on another network. We're

626
00:36:21,199 --> 00:36:25,119
independent broadcasters. We're doing something that you're not going to

627
00:36:25,199 --> 00:36:28,119
hear on mainstream media. We're getting the word out to

628
00:36:28,159 --> 00:36:30,920
the public wherever they want to go. That's their choice,

629
00:36:30,960 --> 00:36:32,840
and thank goodness they have options.

630
00:36:33,719 --> 00:36:34,760
Speaker 1: But this is.

631
00:36:34,800 --> 00:36:37,400
Speaker 5: Exactly how we're going to get answers, and we're going

632
00:36:37,440 --> 00:36:40,840
to do it together before any one person has it

633
00:36:40,880 --> 00:36:41,760
all by himself.

634
00:36:42,760 --> 00:36:45,599
Speaker 1: And you know that's we have an uphill battle too,

635
00:36:45,679 --> 00:36:49,880
because we are fighting the media onslaught, We're fighting the

636
00:36:50,679 --> 00:36:56,400
you know, the distractions that are being put out every

637
00:36:56,480 --> 00:37:00,719
other day to dumb us down and not ask questions

638
00:37:00,719 --> 00:37:04,679
and go with the flow. I mean I constantly point

639
00:37:04,679 --> 00:37:06,719
this out to people, like if you walk down the street,

640
00:37:06,719 --> 00:37:09,719
if you're in a mall, at a bus stop, look

641
00:37:09,760 --> 00:37:12,199
at everybody around you and they've got their cell phone

642
00:37:12,199 --> 00:37:14,519
in front of their face, three inches from their face,

643
00:37:15,239 --> 00:37:18,480
surfing the web and staring into that. And I always

644
00:37:18,559 --> 00:37:22,400
go back to my favorite B movie from the eighties

645
00:37:22,639 --> 00:37:25,960
that they live with Rowdy Roddy Piper. You know, you

646
00:37:26,000 --> 00:37:29,920
put on the sunglasses and you see, like, obey, see

647
00:37:29,960 --> 00:37:33,519
the money, this is your God. And you know, we're

648
00:37:33,559 --> 00:37:38,280
so distracted and we have so much to dumbest down,

649
00:37:38,320 --> 00:37:39,719
to not ask questions.

650
00:37:40,679 --> 00:37:45,039
Speaker 5: Well, when season three of Honey Booboo outrank the ben

651
00:37:45,159 --> 00:37:46,960
Ganzi breaking story.

652
00:37:46,800 --> 00:37:48,119
Speaker 6: Kill me, We're in trouble.

653
00:37:48,800 --> 00:37:50,599
Speaker 3: Yeah, that's sad, that's pathetic.

654
00:37:51,360 --> 00:37:54,719
Speaker 1: It's like, wake up people. I mean, there are times

655
00:37:54,760 --> 00:37:56,480
I just get so angry I want to start using

656
00:37:56,480 --> 00:37:59,440
stronger language. But I promised Keith i'd keep it clean.

657
00:37:59,280 --> 00:37:59,440
Speaker 2: So.

658
00:38:00,960 --> 00:38:02,079
Speaker 6: He runs a clean ship.

659
00:38:02,199 --> 00:38:05,920
Speaker 3: Darn it.

660
00:38:06,000 --> 00:38:09,800
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's very, very frustrating. So yeah, getting back to

661
00:38:09,800 --> 00:38:13,559
you to your your trip down there. You know, so

662
00:38:13,679 --> 00:38:15,360
what are some of the other places that you saw?

663
00:38:15,440 --> 00:38:18,800
Now you saw Pumapuku and the NASCAR lines and you.

664
00:38:18,800 --> 00:38:20,800
Speaker 3: Went tos were great by the way.

665
00:38:20,920 --> 00:38:21,679
Speaker 1: Two.

666
00:38:22,280 --> 00:38:24,960
Speaker 3: You know, me being somewhat of a photographer, I really

667
00:38:25,480 --> 00:38:27,320
but you know, I have to say something. You know,

668
00:38:27,440 --> 00:38:30,079
that's supposed to be the it's believed to be the

669
00:38:30,079 --> 00:38:32,440
site where the world was created, but it seems so

670
00:38:32,679 --> 00:38:36,239
simple out there. It seems so muted almost, you know.

671
00:38:36,880 --> 00:38:37,840
Speaker 6: It still is.

672
00:38:38,039 --> 00:38:40,840
Speaker 5: My goodness, We're standing at the foothills of the Andes

673
00:38:41,079 --> 00:38:44,719
and you know, at one point where you know, thirteen

674
00:38:44,800 --> 00:38:48,480
thousand feet you know, up this mountain which is you know,

675
00:38:48,519 --> 00:38:53,840
Puma Puku and Tiwanaku, and it was just incredible some

676
00:38:53,880 --> 00:38:57,079
of the things that go on because it's still a

677
00:38:57,079 --> 00:39:01,039
third world country and as we're traveling through, so you know,

678
00:39:01,119 --> 00:39:04,880
thank goodness, we had a few heads up, but there

679
00:39:04,920 --> 00:39:07,840
are ATMs. There's no Walmart, you can't run to the

680
00:39:07,920 --> 00:39:12,559
local CVS if you run out of aspirin. It's just

681
00:39:12,800 --> 00:39:17,280
so different. Even the foods in the restaurants. Walking down

682
00:39:17,320 --> 00:39:20,320
the plaza and they're set up tables and this lady's

683
00:39:20,360 --> 00:39:22,280
selling the bread that she made that morning, and the

684
00:39:22,320 --> 00:39:25,280
other lady, you know, brought fruit from her farm. And

685
00:39:25,880 --> 00:39:29,719
it was so incredible the experience. But being with the

686
00:39:29,760 --> 00:39:31,119
Peruvian people.

687
00:39:31,400 --> 00:39:32,320
Speaker 6: And the.

688
00:39:33,800 --> 00:39:38,760
Speaker 5: Bolivianos, it was just amazing because they're so open and

689
00:39:39,039 --> 00:39:43,360
they find us strange. And I remember, as you know,

690
00:39:43,599 --> 00:39:46,800
just over the years looking at National Geographic and some

691
00:39:46,880 --> 00:39:50,000
of the shows and magazines and seeing the Peruvian people

692
00:39:50,039 --> 00:39:52,760
and the big skirts and the very colorful braids with

693
00:39:52,840 --> 00:39:58,039
the little extensions. They still dress exactly the same. Their

694
00:39:58,039 --> 00:40:02,639
traditions haven't changed much, and it is we At one

695
00:40:02,639 --> 00:40:06,199
point we're in Changos, which is this necropolis, and it's

696
00:40:06,440 --> 00:40:08,119
as far as your I can see. All you see

697
00:40:08,199 --> 00:40:12,039
is desert and it's hot, and it's this beautiful white sand,

698
00:40:12,599 --> 00:40:16,880
but there are human remains littered everywhere. And some of

699
00:40:16,920 --> 00:40:19,119
those photos I put up, I think some people thought

700
00:40:19,159 --> 00:40:21,360
these were remains that we dug up and just left

701
00:40:21,400 --> 00:40:22,960
on top, you know, for.

702
00:40:23,039 --> 00:40:27,199
Speaker 6: GPS location or something. No, that is what it looked like.

703
00:40:27,320 --> 00:40:30,159
Speaker 5: We were stepping on, you know, two thousand year old

704
00:40:30,199 --> 00:40:34,599
pottery and human remains, and you're running across.

705
00:40:34,719 --> 00:40:37,800
Speaker 6: I mean, we're digging up our own elongated skulls.

706
00:40:38,719 --> 00:40:43,480
Speaker 5: You know, when we talk about the investigation and the

707
00:40:43,519 --> 00:40:46,800
forensic sampling we did on these, you know, most people

708
00:40:46,920 --> 00:40:49,719
think one or two skulls. I promised you we looked

709
00:40:49,719 --> 00:40:54,400
at hundreds, hundreds of these skulls. Some of them we

710
00:40:54,519 --> 00:40:57,519
dug up ourselves. And it's not hard. We didn't even

711
00:40:57,559 --> 00:40:59,840
have a shuffle, you know, just kind of get in

712
00:40:59,880 --> 00:41:03,639
and move the sand and oh my gosh, here's a femur. Okay,

713
00:41:03,679 --> 00:41:05,360
here's another elongated head.

714
00:41:05,440 --> 00:41:06,599
Speaker 6: It was crazy.

715
00:41:07,199 --> 00:41:09,079
Speaker 3: But did you feel I'm sorry, Mark, did you feel

716
00:41:09,119 --> 00:41:13,320
you were disturbing anything there, like digging in a graveyard

717
00:41:13,559 --> 00:41:15,840
or was it just anyone could do that anyone?

718
00:41:16,239 --> 00:41:19,280
Speaker 5: That is a great question, because that's something all of

719
00:41:19,360 --> 00:41:21,519
us felt at one point. It's you know, we're kind

720
00:41:21,519 --> 00:41:23,800
of tiptoeing around, trying not to you know, step on

721
00:41:23,840 --> 00:41:27,639
the vertebrae and to do that you're stepping on metatarsals.

722
00:41:27,480 --> 00:41:31,760
Speaker 6: It was crazy. But no, the reason the area is

723
00:41:31,800 --> 00:41:32,400
littered like.

724
00:41:32,360 --> 00:41:36,880
Speaker 5: This is because of the Wacos, and that's the grave robbers,

725
00:41:37,480 --> 00:41:39,000
and what they do is they go in and a

726
00:41:39,079 --> 00:41:42,760
lot of these locations are still unmarked. Peru has not

727
00:41:42,800 --> 00:41:48,079
been investigated in a big way on Probably more than

728
00:41:48,079 --> 00:41:51,320
half of their structures and pyramids are still buried or

729
00:41:51,360 --> 00:41:54,239
only half revealed and.

730
00:41:54,280 --> 00:41:55,320
Speaker 6: Have never been studied.

731
00:41:55,800 --> 00:41:59,760
Speaker 5: The last real archaeological dig was back in the nineteen twenties.

732
00:42:00,440 --> 00:42:03,360
These there's so much going on out there. But the

733
00:42:03,400 --> 00:42:06,280
Wocanos go in and they use these poles and they

734
00:42:06,320 --> 00:42:09,320
go through the desert and that's why there's so much

735
00:42:09,360 --> 00:42:13,400
broken pottery. I mean, I was finding big, huge chunks

736
00:42:13,440 --> 00:42:17,079
of this amazing pottery with inca eyes.

737
00:42:16,840 --> 00:42:21,280
Speaker 6: All over it. Oh mg, and we're just yeah, it

738
00:42:21,320 --> 00:42:23,400
was it was were you to take this home?

739
00:42:24,159 --> 00:42:26,400
Speaker 5: We there were some things that we were allowed to

740
00:42:26,440 --> 00:42:29,760
take through customs obviously, some things had to go through

741
00:42:29,840 --> 00:42:36,320
the Ministry of Architecture and Archaeology and artifacts. There there's

742
00:42:36,679 --> 00:42:38,920
some things that you know, we could and other things

743
00:42:38,920 --> 00:42:39,480
we couldn't.

744
00:42:40,000 --> 00:42:43,199
Speaker 6: And uh, you know, it was it was.

745
00:42:43,920 --> 00:42:46,880
Speaker 5: There's a lot of rules on certain things, so any

746
00:42:48,440 --> 00:42:53,000
pretty much, I guess you know, human remains absolutely not. Obviously,

747
00:42:53,400 --> 00:42:55,280
we're not gonna be you know, bringing home skulls and

748
00:42:55,320 --> 00:42:57,119
things like that.

749
00:42:58,480 --> 00:43:02,800
Speaker 1: When you're down there pulling up vertebrae and spines and legs,

750
00:43:02,840 --> 00:43:04,840
you know, their ghost hunderd and me sitting there thinking, yeah,

751
00:43:04,880 --> 00:43:07,280
I bet there's this old peruviing ghostitting and going hey, hey,

752
00:43:07,320 --> 00:43:08,280
you're stepping on my back.

753
00:43:08,519 --> 00:43:10,679
Speaker 5: Oh my gosh, Mark. And let me tell you that

754
00:43:10,800 --> 00:43:13,239
I had all my all my equipment. I had a

755
00:43:13,280 --> 00:43:18,960
lot of it, and the EMF is going crazy. I

756
00:43:19,000 --> 00:43:24,239
had my mailmeter and the I have a strike meter,

757
00:43:24,639 --> 00:43:27,400
and it's a lightning detector because what it does is

758
00:43:27,440 --> 00:43:32,000
it registers any ionist, ionic or you know, kind of

759
00:43:32,039 --> 00:43:34,559
interference like a lightning strike. It's the same thing a

760
00:43:34,599 --> 00:43:37,599
golfer would wear or a lifeguard, and it will tell

761
00:43:37,639 --> 00:43:39,679
you if there's a lightning strike or any kind of

762
00:43:39,719 --> 00:43:43,880
electric activity within a forty mile radius. This thing is

763
00:43:44,000 --> 00:43:48,639
beeping like crazy in certain locations. And while we're there,

764
00:43:48,679 --> 00:43:52,000
we were actually brought into this one area that is

765
00:43:52,039 --> 00:43:55,159
not open to anybody, including people outside of the town,

766
00:43:55,760 --> 00:43:58,840
and we visited with the Mayor of Peace Goo and

767
00:43:59,079 --> 00:44:01,440
we had arm guards and everything escort is to this

768
00:44:01,559 --> 00:44:04,119
place and stay with us. As we visited this pyramid,

769
00:44:04,719 --> 00:44:09,280
and the interpreter Irene was letting them know who we

770
00:44:09,320 --> 00:44:11,760
all were and what we did well. I was the

771
00:44:11,880 --> 00:44:17,840
UFO investigator, and almost every time she would introduce me,

772
00:44:18,000 --> 00:44:20,360
their eyes get big, they light up, and they couldn't

773
00:44:20,400 --> 00:44:24,159
wait to tell me the UFOs. So we're standing in

774
00:44:24,519 --> 00:44:29,800
Piacego on this pyramid that nobody knows about. It's a

775
00:44:29,840 --> 00:44:33,960
beautiful very it's a step pyramid like most of them

776
00:44:33,960 --> 00:44:37,000
in Peru. And we're standing on this and he's telling

777
00:44:37,039 --> 00:44:39,840
me about this Ufo story that the people that used

778
00:44:39,840 --> 00:44:42,440
to live there had told him, and about how this

779
00:44:42,599 --> 00:44:44,159
Ufo used to come and there used to be a

780
00:44:44,159 --> 00:44:46,320
big lake out there and every time it came, it

781
00:44:46,320 --> 00:44:47,920
would drain more and more of the water.

782
00:44:48,840 --> 00:44:50,039
Speaker 6: It was taking their water.

783
00:44:50,320 --> 00:44:50,719
Speaker 1: Wow.

784
00:44:51,400 --> 00:44:55,119
Speaker 5: But these UFOs used to visit this pyramid, and everywhere

785
00:44:55,119 --> 00:44:57,920
we went people were telling us. They're so open with

786
00:44:58,039 --> 00:45:01,360
the UFO and the Paranoi normal stories that they have.

787
00:45:02,400 --> 00:45:04,440
They never looked over their shoulder like here, you'd kind

788
00:45:04,480 --> 00:45:05,960
of get is anyone listening?

789
00:45:06,039 --> 00:45:06,880
Speaker 6: Is anyone close?

790
00:45:07,719 --> 00:45:09,519
Speaker 5: They were just like, oh my gosh, let me tell

791
00:45:09,519 --> 00:45:11,480
you about this ufo or I saw when I was

792
00:45:11,519 --> 00:45:12,480
fourteen years old.

793
00:45:13,039 --> 00:45:19,519
Speaker 6: Everywhere we went wow, wow, crazy, you know.

794
00:45:19,599 --> 00:45:22,880
Speaker 5: And then we're in the museums and we were given

795
00:45:22,960 --> 00:45:25,519
so much favor and we're brought in the back rooms

796
00:45:25,599 --> 00:45:28,039
and I have on Facebook a picture of a mummy,

797
00:45:28,440 --> 00:45:30,880
well that was actually in the back room of the

798
00:45:31,000 --> 00:45:33,920
museum as they were preparing it to be on display.

799
00:45:34,360 --> 00:45:38,039
Nobody but them had ever seen this mummy before. And

800
00:45:38,320 --> 00:45:40,880
of course then we get to Parrakas and at Senior

801
00:45:40,960 --> 00:45:46,079
Wan's museum. You know, we're flabbergasted at the elongated skulls

802
00:45:46,559 --> 00:45:49,360
because there's a huge difference. And this is something you

803
00:45:49,440 --> 00:45:51,719
learned very quickly investigating these skulls.

804
00:45:52,320 --> 00:45:53,519
Speaker 6: You can see.

805
00:45:54,119 --> 00:45:57,639
Speaker 5: When something has been cradle boarded or the cranial deformation.

806
00:45:58,239 --> 00:46:01,800
It's it's almost obvious. But when you come across one

807
00:46:01,800 --> 00:46:04,760
of these skulls that La and Richard are talking about,

808
00:46:06,639 --> 00:46:07,679
it almost sat me down.

809
00:46:07,719 --> 00:46:08,119
Speaker 6: You guys.

810
00:46:08,199 --> 00:46:11,480
Speaker 5: I'm standing there and my eyes immediately went to it,

811
00:46:11,480 --> 00:46:14,679
and I'm thinking, what the heck is that well? And

812
00:46:15,199 --> 00:46:19,440
it's so different. It's one baridal plate. It's the bones

813
00:46:19,480 --> 00:46:22,599
are you know, the density, the thickness of the skull

814
00:46:22,840 --> 00:46:26,440
is so much, the jaw is so robust and different,

815
00:46:26,880 --> 00:46:32,039
the cranial volume is at least yeah, twenty to thirty

816
00:46:32,079 --> 00:46:37,039
percent bigger than the average adult human head sitting next

817
00:46:37,039 --> 00:46:42,599
to it. And they're just so anomalous looking and different.

818
00:46:42,679 --> 00:46:45,719
You're just like, that's why we can pick them out.

819
00:46:45,760 --> 00:46:47,840
That's why we're like, can we see this one? Then

820
00:46:47,880 --> 00:46:50,079
we have seen your wand coming up opening the case

821
00:46:50,079 --> 00:46:52,280
and giving us the skulls here you go, hey, you go,

822
00:46:53,440 --> 00:46:56,480
Oh my gosh, was that.

823
00:46:57,840 --> 00:47:00,960
Speaker 1: Chase? Well, we have a caller calling in who has

824
00:47:01,000 --> 00:47:03,960
a question for you. Uh, we have our good friend

825
00:47:04,000 --> 00:47:06,079
Bruce Pearson calling in. How are you doing? Bruce?

826
00:47:07,639 --> 00:47:09,920
Speaker 4: Hello, Change, it's been a while. I was spoking to

827
00:47:09,960 --> 00:47:10,639
you for a while.

828
00:47:13,480 --> 00:47:15,119
Speaker 6: Oh, it's so nice for you to call. I was

829
00:47:15,159 --> 00:47:19,920
just gonna say, Bruce, I know this name, yea.

830
00:47:20,000 --> 00:47:24,519
Speaker 4: Doing the several Marshalls play imagine. Congratulations on your trip.

831
00:47:24,719 --> 00:47:29,079
Sounds like there was an amazing adventure, and certainly Lord

832
00:47:29,159 --> 00:47:32,559
and Mark they've had their own travels and adventures. We've

833
00:47:32,559 --> 00:47:34,440
been able to share some of them together. But uh,

834
00:47:35,000 --> 00:47:37,519
you know, I think it's it's really cool you came

835
00:47:37,559 --> 00:47:41,000
on the show and UH have been able to work

836
00:47:41,000 --> 00:47:44,800
collaboratively on this. As we move ahead on this, I

837
00:47:44,800 --> 00:47:46,320
think you made a good point. I don't think, you know,

838
00:47:46,360 --> 00:47:48,599
I really don't think we're ever going to get a

839
00:47:49,280 --> 00:47:52,960
gardy disclosure. I don't think we're going to get voluntary disclosures.

840
00:47:53,039 --> 00:47:58,840
There's really nothing in it for the military, government or

841
00:47:58,880 --> 00:48:01,960
anyone else that has the control order explanning. It's really

842
00:48:01,960 --> 00:48:05,400
economically or whatever to open that can of worms. There

843
00:48:05,480 --> 00:48:07,519
just can't be any good out of it from their perspective,

844
00:48:07,519 --> 00:48:09,679
and so I don't think it's as much as you can.

845
00:48:09,920 --> 00:48:12,000
I think we should continue pushing. I just don't think

846
00:48:12,000 --> 00:48:12,920
it's ever going to happen.

847
00:48:13,199 --> 00:48:16,760
Speaker 5: Well, I agree, and thank you, thank you for that.

848
00:48:17,840 --> 00:48:21,639
I'm very happy to be here, you know, on unknown origins.

849
00:48:22,159 --> 00:48:24,400
We just love sharing stories and being out here and

850
00:48:24,440 --> 00:48:28,199
we're all working, and you know, even people that you know,

851
00:48:28,280 --> 00:48:30,400
these guys don't but even you know, people that just

852
00:48:30,519 --> 00:48:33,639
research and and you know, do their own shows and stuff,

853
00:48:33,880 --> 00:48:37,639
still talk to many, many people every week and they're researching,

854
00:48:37,760 --> 00:48:41,320
and you know, so their knowledge base is increasing. And

855
00:48:41,679 --> 00:48:46,800
I'm fast learning to highly respect UH independent broadcasters because

856
00:48:46,800 --> 00:48:52,039
the knowledge base that we're accumulating is massive, especially the

857
00:48:52,119 --> 00:48:54,480
producers like Keith and Race and you know some of

858
00:48:54,519 --> 00:48:57,559
these guys because they're just not listening to this show.

859
00:48:57,880 --> 00:49:01,480
They're listening to all of them and all of the

860
00:49:01,519 --> 00:49:03,800
guests and all of the opinions. So you know, we

861
00:49:03,880 --> 00:49:06,880
can't forget to hook these guys up and support them

862
00:49:06,960 --> 00:49:10,599
with everything from likes on Facebook to donate buttons. It's

863
00:49:10,800 --> 00:49:15,159
it's just a great way to show, you know, we

864
00:49:15,199 --> 00:49:18,840
support independent broadcasting and screw that mainstream media. I know

865
00:49:18,880 --> 00:49:21,360
where we're getting the truth and it's not on Fox

866
00:49:21,440 --> 00:49:23,960
News or Yeah.

867
00:49:25,079 --> 00:49:27,360
Speaker 1: See, it is actually stoop to making their own up

868
00:49:27,360 --> 00:49:27,840
these days.

869
00:49:27,880 --> 00:49:30,599
Speaker 5: So it's so crazy. But Bruce, thank you so much

870
00:49:30,639 --> 00:49:33,239
for Collin and I agree. And you know, when it

871
00:49:33,280 --> 00:49:36,599
comes to disclosure, I actually have gotten to the point

872
00:49:36,639 --> 00:49:39,360
where I know because my husband's you know, he's a

873
00:49:39,360 --> 00:49:42,840
submarine commander. I know he doesn't keep these secrets. None

874
00:49:42,920 --> 00:49:45,559
of his friends do. This is a shadow part of

875
00:49:45,599 --> 00:49:48,039
the military, the part of the military that would keep

876
00:49:48,039 --> 00:49:51,119
these secrets, and they are keeping them. These aren't the

877
00:49:51,119 --> 00:49:53,559
guys driving on that base every day. These aren't the

878
00:49:53,599 --> 00:49:57,360
guys that you will see wearing uniforms and serving their country.

879
00:49:57,840 --> 00:50:01,480
And I don't think the politicians would you tell Obama anything.

880
00:50:01,840 --> 00:50:05,800
Speaker 6: He's a temporary employee. And Obama didn't come.

881
00:50:05,719 --> 00:50:07,880
Speaker 5: Up through the ranks of you know, the CIA and

882
00:50:08,079 --> 00:50:11,119
NSA like the old regime. Did you know Bush and

883
00:50:11,199 --> 00:50:14,639
Cheney and that whole crooney little bit. They've been trading

884
00:50:14,760 --> 00:50:18,199
jobs in these secret organizations and holding these.

885
00:50:18,039 --> 00:50:19,480
Speaker 6: Secrets for a long time.

886
00:50:19,920 --> 00:50:22,719
Speaker 5: But do you know those are the secret keepers, these

887
00:50:22,840 --> 00:50:23,960
kind of shadow.

888
00:50:23,679 --> 00:50:26,000
Speaker 6: Pockets, you know.

889
00:50:26,159 --> 00:50:28,599
Speaker 1: And that's the thing is these guys they know all

890
00:50:28,599 --> 00:50:34,079
these politicians are temporary. So there's a lot of even

891
00:50:35,119 --> 00:50:39,440
mainstream television programs like Scandal, they talk about B thirteen,

892
00:50:39,679 --> 00:50:45,840
SECT thirteen or whatever, these secrets government entities that are

893
00:50:45,920 --> 00:50:54,760
beyond the government. And and we lost Bruce. Yeah, Bruce,

894
00:50:54,800 --> 00:50:57,679
if you want to call back in, please feel free.

895
00:50:58,760 --> 00:51:02,480
And yeah, they just they they they don't answer to

896
00:51:02,480 --> 00:51:05,079
anybody because they know. These politicians, if they're not already

897
00:51:05,079 --> 00:51:06,480
on board, you know, they're going to be gone in

898
00:51:06,480 --> 00:51:07,880
a few years and they're going to keep doing what

899
00:51:07,920 --> 00:51:15,480
they're doing. Absolutely, so it's it's it's ridiculous. So let

900
00:51:15,480 --> 00:51:18,079
me ask you this, what do you think is on

901
00:51:18,159 --> 00:51:20,960
the horizon? What do you think is really going to

902
00:51:21,039 --> 00:51:23,639
be happened in the next year or so, because there

903
00:51:23,639 --> 00:51:28,079
seems to be so much strange things happening in the paranormal.

904
00:51:29,280 --> 00:51:30,519
Speaker 6: I hopefully.

905
00:51:31,320 --> 00:51:34,840
Speaker 5: I I think we're going to be probably a little

906
00:51:34,880 --> 00:51:38,840
further still debating DNA evidence. I think we're still going

907
00:51:38,840 --> 00:51:41,320
to be debating some of the truths that we know

908
00:51:41,360 --> 00:51:45,719
we're going out here, but the naysayers are getting less

909
00:51:45,760 --> 00:51:48,559
and less. As we all know, there's a huge difference

910
00:51:48,599 --> 00:51:51,760
between a skeptic and a debunker and someone that's just

911
00:51:51,840 --> 00:51:54,519
out to, you know, make your life miserable and no

912
00:51:54,599 --> 00:51:58,480
matter what evidence is presented, they're never going to believe it.

913
00:51:59,199 --> 00:52:03,119
And you know, I love them. I think they keep

914
00:52:03,280 --> 00:52:07,840
us honest. However, when you start crossing the line of ridiculous,

915
00:52:07,880 --> 00:52:09,960
in other words, you want to come at me and

916
00:52:10,840 --> 00:52:13,880
make me responsible, and this is a good thing. To

917
00:52:14,400 --> 00:52:17,599
prove what I've just said, show my data, give you

918
00:52:17,679 --> 00:52:21,159
all my notes. Well, when you're coming back at me,

919
00:52:21,639 --> 00:52:24,599
I would like the same from you. Prove to me

920
00:52:24,760 --> 00:52:27,880
why what I showed you is not accurate. Don't just

921
00:52:27,920 --> 00:52:31,599
go on Facebook and spout off your you know, this

922
00:52:31,679 --> 00:52:36,280
guy's a bonehead. We're starting to hold these skeptics accountable

923
00:52:36,400 --> 00:52:39,480
for the same you know, for the same information, for

924
00:52:39,559 --> 00:52:42,199
that same caliber that they're expecting from us.

925
00:52:42,760 --> 00:52:43,719
Speaker 6: That is only fair.

926
00:52:44,320 --> 00:52:46,719
Speaker 5: The second thing I think we're going to see is

927
00:52:47,320 --> 00:52:50,840
more respect towards these subjects, because as you and Lauren know,

928
00:52:51,320 --> 00:52:54,000
you know, I started the resistance on Facebook because I'm

929
00:52:54,079 --> 00:52:56,679
tired of the way, you know, mainstream media, you know,

930
00:52:56,800 --> 00:52:59,480
has to tongue in cheek and you know, the X

931
00:52:59,519 --> 00:53:03,920
file thing is on every UFO story. But if that

932
00:53:04,079 --> 00:53:08,000
reporter had done just just as much homework on that

933
00:53:08,239 --> 00:53:12,400
story from that witness about a UFO that he did

934
00:53:12,480 --> 00:53:15,639
on the sevent eleven robberies, you know, where they could

935
00:53:15,639 --> 00:53:17,199
come out and say, well, this is the fourth time

936
00:53:17,199 --> 00:53:19,000
in seven years that this rob you know that this

937
00:53:19,039 --> 00:53:22,719
seventy eleven has been robbed, and police authorities say, you know,

938
00:53:22,800 --> 00:53:26,360
give us the same respect or you're not getting our

939
00:53:26,400 --> 00:53:31,480
stories anymore. I had a huge UFO experience. It was

940
00:53:31,559 --> 00:53:36,440
epic in two thousand, way back in twenty ten, and

941
00:53:36,880 --> 00:53:40,800
I've had everything from Paranormal witness, you know, I've had

942
00:53:41,239 --> 00:53:43,960
all sorts of TV shows call me. They've even offered

943
00:53:44,000 --> 00:53:47,400
me money to sell the story, and my answer has

944
00:53:47,480 --> 00:53:53,239
been no, because I just don't trust entertainment.

945
00:53:53,519 --> 00:53:56,159
Speaker 6: Or these yeah, these news things.

946
00:53:56,440 --> 00:53:58,480
Speaker 5: However, I did just give it to La for his

947
00:53:58,599 --> 00:54:01,800
Watchers documentary, but I've worked with him. I trust him

948
00:54:02,679 --> 00:54:04,599
because we have to tell the truth in these and

949
00:54:04,920 --> 00:54:10,199
stop spinning these with these exaggerated you know, entertainment value.

950
00:54:10,320 --> 00:54:14,280
Speaker 1: Oh exactly, exactly. I mean, everybody who listened to our

951
00:54:14,320 --> 00:54:17,159
show has heard me complain about being on a couple

952
00:54:17,159 --> 00:54:20,159
of these programs where they've twisted information. I was interviewed

953
00:54:20,480 --> 00:54:24,320
by Jack Osborne for Haunted Highways and this pinhead producer

954
00:54:24,400 --> 00:54:26,079
comes right in the middle of my story. He cuts

955
00:54:26,119 --> 00:54:28,239
me off to say, oh no, no, no, no, don't say

956
00:54:28,239 --> 00:54:30,320
it this way. Try saying it this way. It's like,

957
00:54:30,760 --> 00:54:32,280
do you want to hear the freaking story or not?

958
00:54:32,760 --> 00:54:32,960
Speaker 2: Good?

959
00:54:33,079 --> 00:54:33,239
Speaker 5: Right?

960
00:54:33,519 --> 00:54:36,079
Speaker 1: You know, don't tell me how to tell my story.

961
00:54:36,400 --> 00:54:38,440
And you know what, they wound up cutting me from

962
00:54:38,480 --> 00:54:40,679
the episode because I didn't want to play along.

963
00:54:41,119 --> 00:54:42,119
Speaker 6: Are you serious?

964
00:54:42,159 --> 00:54:42,360
Speaker 1: Well?

965
00:54:42,800 --> 00:54:43,599
Speaker 6: I don't doubt that.

966
00:54:43,679 --> 00:54:47,199
Speaker 5: And good for you, Mark, because honestly, and you guys

967
00:54:47,239 --> 00:54:50,840
both know, I've been approached to do television several times,

968
00:54:51,280 --> 00:54:55,000
and without a certain commitment. My answer has been absolutely no.

969
00:54:55,119 --> 00:54:57,119
I've backed out of two of them. One of them

970
00:54:57,159 --> 00:54:59,960
actually made the air, and I was so thankful when

971
00:55:00,000 --> 00:55:05,840
and people raped it when after two episodes everyone was laughing,

972
00:55:06,599 --> 00:55:08,960
But I knew when they said, Okay, Chase, we want

973
00:55:08,960 --> 00:55:10,960
you in a tank top and we're gonna dress you

974
00:55:11,079 --> 00:55:13,719
like Laura Croft and you want you to act more

975
00:55:13,760 --> 00:55:14,840
like an action figure.

976
00:55:15,119 --> 00:55:16,039
Speaker 6: I'm done, guys.

977
00:55:16,239 --> 00:55:18,760
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, I know what you're talking about.

978
00:55:19,760 --> 00:55:25,039
Speaker 5: Yeah, but I'm done with that. And it's just you know,

979
00:55:25,280 --> 00:55:29,199
I'm an investigator. I love being out there and there's

980
00:55:29,239 --> 00:55:32,039
nothing more. And I know both of you know this firsthand.

981
00:55:32,599 --> 00:55:37,400
When you have somebody that has experienced something so extraordinary,

982
00:55:37,840 --> 00:55:42,400
they can't sleep, they're scared, or they're just so overwhelmed

983
00:55:42,559 --> 00:55:46,039
by what's just happened. They can't tell their neighbors, they'll

984
00:55:46,039 --> 00:55:48,880
think they're crazy. They can't call their mom, you know,

985
00:55:48,920 --> 00:55:51,960
their husband's laughing at him and thinks it's funny, or

986
00:55:52,119 --> 00:55:55,159
vice versa. Well, and then they call and talk to you,

987
00:55:55,199 --> 00:55:57,880
and you walk into the house and you're very professional,

988
00:55:58,400 --> 00:56:04,159
and they're crying there, so thankful that somebody's listening and

989
00:56:04,199 --> 00:56:07,559
that they can tell their story to somebody that understands

990
00:56:07,920 --> 00:56:10,199
phenomena right exactly.

991
00:56:11,000 --> 00:56:13,400
Speaker 1: Actually, we got Bruce back on Bruce, did you have

992
00:56:13,440 --> 00:56:14,039
another question?

993
00:56:15,760 --> 00:56:17,519
Speaker 4: Well, I just wanted to follow up on that, if

994
00:56:17,519 --> 00:56:20,039
I may, you know changed, I think that your book

995
00:56:20,119 --> 00:56:22,920
is indicative. Mark and I have had this discussion on

996
00:56:22,960 --> 00:56:25,880
a number of occasions as a you know, one of

997
00:56:25,920 --> 00:56:28,440
the I guess, unfortunately, one of the few people, and

998
00:56:28,880 --> 00:56:33,159
that this has been trained, you know, in broadcast journalism

999
00:56:33,199 --> 00:56:35,719
and spent a good portion of my life doing documentaries

1000
00:56:35,719 --> 00:56:41,440
and invescue and stuff. I am quite honestly, frighteningly astounded

1001
00:56:41,480 --> 00:56:44,519
by the high quality of a lot of the shows

1002
00:56:44,519 --> 00:56:46,599
out there. Mark and I have discussed as many times

1003
00:56:46,599 --> 00:56:47,159
as you well know.

1004
00:56:47,320 --> 00:56:47,519
Speaker 1: Mark.

1005
00:56:49,159 --> 00:56:51,519
Speaker 4: But having said that, I think that the fact that

1006
00:56:51,559 --> 00:56:54,840
you wrote your books is the point that I want

1007
00:56:54,880 --> 00:56:56,960
to make. I'd like you to discuss between the two

1008
00:56:57,000 --> 00:56:58,840
of you or three of you. I'm sorry learning and

1009
00:56:59,079 --> 00:57:02,599
trying to exclude you, but the fact is, I think

1010
00:57:02,679 --> 00:57:06,480
we need to now raise the bar as much as possible,

1011
00:57:06,559 --> 00:57:08,760
not at the exclusion of anybody. And there's a million

1012
00:57:08,800 --> 00:57:12,480
different agendas for people that are involved in this community.

1013
00:57:12,559 --> 00:57:16,960
But I think that we are now cracking the egg,

1014
00:57:17,039 --> 00:57:22,239
if you will, with science, with forensic technology, and I

1015
00:57:22,280 --> 00:57:24,559
think that we need to try to continue to push

1016
00:57:24,559 --> 00:57:29,519
that envelope and be serious about investigative techniques and ferret

1017
00:57:29,559 --> 00:57:33,280
out the fakers and the folks that are misinformed for

1018
00:57:33,360 --> 00:57:36,039
whatever good reasons or not. And I think that it's

1019
00:57:36,079 --> 00:57:42,000
important that we don't turn into just the sea of malaise,

1020
00:57:42,079 --> 00:57:46,800
that we keep rehashing the same documentation without moving it forward,

1021
00:57:46,840 --> 00:57:52,880
because inevitably, if that happens, the excitement, the passion, the interest,

1022
00:57:53,480 --> 00:57:56,360
and the new information that comes out that's a result

1023
00:57:56,400 --> 00:57:58,800
of that is going to wane, and that will that'll

1024
00:57:58,800 --> 00:58:00,880
be a sad day if that. I don't see that

1025
00:58:00,920 --> 00:58:03,400
happening now. But I always try when I'm speaking to

1026
00:58:03,440 --> 00:58:06,280
people to make draws a strong distinction, as you were

1027
00:58:06,320 --> 00:58:10,960
just making the point Chase about entertainment shows and shows

1028
00:58:11,000 --> 00:58:14,199
that at least making an attempt to be UH an

1029
00:58:14,280 --> 00:58:18,000
investigative documentary, if you will, on television. So I think

1030
00:58:18,000 --> 00:58:20,559
it's very important that everybody involved in this to the

1031
00:58:20,599 --> 00:58:24,320
extent they can try to raise the bar in terms

1032
00:58:24,360 --> 00:58:28,679
of the scientific UH investigation and try to be very

1033
00:58:28,800 --> 00:58:31,639
careful on how they document things and before they proclaim

1034
00:58:31,719 --> 00:58:36,119
things to be valid, because God knows, the naysayers jip

1035
00:58:36,159 --> 00:58:39,239
all over when when somebody has found out to be

1036
00:58:39,440 --> 00:58:42,599
fraudulent and that that hurts the whole community.

1037
00:58:43,239 --> 00:58:43,920
Speaker 6: It sure does.

1038
00:58:45,000 --> 00:58:47,480
Speaker 4: Don't deserve anybody's purpose. And I'm not being critical of

1039
00:58:47,480 --> 00:58:49,840
people learn it because you know they're just fascinated. They

1040
00:58:49,840 --> 00:58:52,400
won't have a good time. And there's nothing wrong with that, No,

1041
00:58:54,039 --> 00:58:56,039
you know, those people have every right to do as

1042
00:58:56,039 --> 00:58:58,239
they see fit. But if you're gonna, if you're going

1043
00:58:58,320 --> 00:59:04,599
to try to instigate any unknown or unexplained phenomena and

1044
00:59:04,639 --> 00:59:07,840
you purport to be someone who is trying to take

1045
00:59:07,920 --> 00:59:11,840
a balance and scientific approach to figure out what's going on,

1046
00:59:12,039 --> 00:59:15,400
I think that you really need to played by the

1047
00:59:15,480 --> 00:59:18,519
rules if you will, and that's hard. It's a lot

1048
00:59:18,559 --> 00:59:21,280
harder to do, especially in an environment where there really

1049
00:59:21,280 --> 00:59:23,760
aren't a lot of rules.

1050
00:59:24,199 --> 00:59:30,400
Speaker 6: You're absolutely right, and Bruce, thank you. I'm sorry, go ahead.

1051
00:59:31,440 --> 00:59:32,840
Speaker 4: I just want to hear your opine on it, and

1052
00:59:32,920 --> 00:59:34,519
I'm going to hang up and let you guys speak.

1053
00:59:34,559 --> 00:59:35,679
So thank you very much.

1054
00:59:35,760 --> 00:59:37,280
Speaker 1: All right, thanks a lot, Bruce, appreciate it.

1055
00:59:37,320 --> 00:59:39,320
Speaker 3: Hi, Bruce, Yeah, I do too.

1056
00:59:39,400 --> 00:59:42,199
Speaker 6: And Bruce, I love you. You're just so awesome. Seriously,

1057
00:59:43,000 --> 00:59:44,159
he said, he read the book.

1058
00:59:44,280 --> 00:59:47,360
Speaker 5: I'm like, oh, I thank you so much for that,

1059
00:59:48,480 --> 00:59:52,559
And that's exactly what I'm hoping you know comes out

1060
00:59:52,559 --> 00:59:56,920
here is is really that if whether you're a paranormal investigator,

1061
00:59:57,199 --> 01:00:02,719
you're out looking for Bigfoot, cupicabra as a cryptozoologist, or

1062
01:00:02,840 --> 01:00:07,360
you UFO investigator, it all comes down to what you're

1063
01:00:07,440 --> 01:00:11,159
doing is important. And what if that's the time that

1064
01:00:11,239 --> 01:00:15,639
you're out there at that paranormal investigation and something very

1065
01:00:15,639 --> 01:00:20,880
epic happens and you don't know how to construct a

1066
01:00:20,920 --> 01:00:23,559
proper case file, or you don't know how to preserve

1067
01:00:23,639 --> 01:00:26,679
that evidence or how to present it properly, or even

1068
01:00:26,719 --> 01:00:29,639
who to call, you know, to say, hey, do you

1069
01:00:29,679 --> 01:00:32,280
see an apparition? Because we all know what happens if

1070
01:00:32,320 --> 01:00:34,079
you post it on Facebook.

1071
01:00:33,639 --> 01:00:37,079
Speaker 3: Right Oh yeah, oh god, yes, yeah.

1072
01:00:36,559 --> 01:00:40,960
Speaker 5: So it's yeah, it's just it's it's Mayham. Everyone has

1073
01:00:41,000 --> 01:00:45,119
an opinion. But that's what It's a social environment. You know,

1074
01:00:45,159 --> 01:00:47,679
who do you send these photos to? How what labs

1075
01:00:47,679 --> 01:00:49,599
can you get? Are you know, do you have to

1076
01:00:49,599 --> 01:00:52,280
be you know, a special connected person?

1077
01:00:52,559 --> 01:00:54,719
Speaker 6: Heck no, oh my gosh.

1078
01:00:54,760 --> 01:00:57,039
Speaker 5: And you know, that's really some of the things I've

1079
01:00:57,119 --> 01:00:58,840
learned out in the field is that some of the

1080
01:00:58,880 --> 01:01:01,880
new people are the people that really never got to

1081
01:01:02,000 --> 01:01:05,400
be in investigations because they just.

1082
01:01:05,320 --> 01:01:07,119
Speaker 6: Didn't know how this worked.

1083
01:01:07,599 --> 01:01:09,280
Speaker 5: We want to lay that out for them and just

1084
01:01:09,320 --> 01:01:13,559
give them all these answers because we need investigators and

1085
01:01:13,599 --> 01:01:16,920
we need conscientious and like Bruce said, people that are

1086
01:01:16,920 --> 01:01:19,719
going to do this now with all the equipment we

1087
01:01:19,840 --> 01:01:26,639
have knowledge, forensics availability. Now we need every single case

1088
01:01:26,960 --> 01:01:31,440
that we accept, we accept knowing that our goal is

1089
01:01:31,480 --> 01:01:35,519
whatever we find, even if it is unknown, that case

1090
01:01:35,519 --> 01:01:38,280
file is going to be at the level where it's admissible.

1091
01:01:39,079 --> 01:01:43,320
Because if it's not, what you've done is you know,

1092
01:01:43,400 --> 01:01:48,840
offered the public and the scientific community just unanswered questions,

1093
01:01:49,079 --> 01:01:54,000
more unvalidated evidence and debate. Well, I know, as a ufologists,

1094
01:01:54,039 --> 01:01:57,199
we've had fifty friggin years of that. I'm ready to

1095
01:01:57,280 --> 01:02:01,519
move on, and we are capable of of constructing these

1096
01:02:01,679 --> 01:02:07,480
investigations and a case management system that by the end

1097
01:02:07,880 --> 01:02:12,400
you can present to any other investigator, all your heroes,

1098
01:02:12,639 --> 01:02:18,559
TV stars, scientific community, but more importantly the public, a

1099
01:02:18,679 --> 01:02:22,920
case file that is so conclusive it is admissible and

1100
01:02:22,960 --> 01:02:30,480
would meet a burden of proof. Halla seriously, and we

1101
01:02:30,519 --> 01:02:31,119
can do this.

1102
01:02:31,320 --> 01:02:32,000
Speaker 3: You can do this.

1103
01:02:32,159 --> 01:02:33,119
Speaker 6: Everyone can do this.

1104
01:02:33,760 --> 01:02:39,760
Speaker 5: It's just learning the methodologies of investigation, and of course

1105
01:02:39,840 --> 01:02:42,360
some of this you know, like interviewing skills, and it

1106
01:02:42,400 --> 01:02:46,239
takes doing it and you get better each year. But

1107
01:02:46,320 --> 01:02:48,519
it doesn't mean you're totally going to blow it on

1108
01:02:48,559 --> 01:02:51,639
your first one. You guys, grab it, let's go, let's

1109
01:02:51,639 --> 01:02:54,199
get busy, let's get boots on the ground. Cases are

1110
01:02:54,199 --> 01:02:57,559
coming in. I don't know a single investigator that is

1111
01:02:57,599 --> 01:03:01,320
investigating every single report they're getting. And it kills us

1112
01:03:01,360 --> 01:03:04,320
because I'm always afraid I have to say no to

1113
01:03:04,360 --> 01:03:07,559
the one person right that needs me the most.

1114
01:03:07,960 --> 01:03:09,320
Speaker 6: It puts ant in my stomach.

1115
01:03:10,159 --> 01:03:12,760
Speaker 1: Well, I hate to do this, but we're actually I

1116
01:03:12,800 --> 01:03:15,360
knew this hour was gonna fly by quickly, and it did.

1117
01:03:15,639 --> 01:03:18,320
So we're coming up on the end of the show, Chase.

1118
01:03:18,360 --> 01:03:21,960
Before we go, where can people find information on your

1119
01:03:22,000 --> 01:03:25,440
book and about you? And we'll plug your radio show again.

1120
01:03:26,480 --> 01:03:30,639
Speaker 6: Aw thanks guys. Chase Klutsky dot com is I.

1121
01:03:30,599 --> 01:03:33,559
Speaker 5: Have a website. I'm obsessed with my Facebook. I love

1122
01:03:33,599 --> 01:03:36,199
my Facebook friends. I network all the time, so you

1123
01:03:36,280 --> 01:03:38,760
know you can find me there. The book is sold

1124
01:03:39,039 --> 01:03:42,880
through Richard Dolan Press. Because this book is also it's

1125
01:03:42,960 --> 01:03:45,960
Chase Klutsky with Richard Dolan not quite a co author,

1126
01:03:46,039 --> 01:03:48,519
but trust me, I gave him, Hey, this is how

1127
01:03:48,559 --> 01:03:51,519
you do it? Make it readable. That's what he did,

1128
01:03:51,960 --> 01:03:53,039
amazing publisher.

1129
01:03:53,159 --> 01:03:54,000
Speaker 6: So it's you know.

1130
01:03:54,039 --> 01:03:59,440
Speaker 5: The book is called Admissible, The Field Manual for Investigating UFOs,

1131
01:03:59,559 --> 01:04:03,360
Paranormal Activity and Strange Creatures with Richard Dolan as well.

1132
01:04:04,000 --> 01:04:06,639
I have a children's book called Our Alien's Really Real.

1133
01:04:07,280 --> 01:04:11,760
And honestly, guys, you know you can find out where

1134
01:04:11,760 --> 01:04:14,039
my show is and everything on Facebook. But you know,

1135
01:04:14,039 --> 01:04:16,519
I'm just so happy to be with you guys tonight.

1136
01:04:16,599 --> 01:04:19,679
I'm miss miss hearing from you and it's just awesome

1137
01:04:19,760 --> 01:04:22,519
that thank you for inviting me, and you know, dark

1138
01:04:22,559 --> 01:04:23,800
Matter Radio for having me.

1139
01:04:23,880 --> 01:04:24,559
Speaker 6: This is amazing.

1140
01:04:24,599 --> 01:04:26,840
Speaker 1: Thank you so much for coming on. We loved having

1141
01:04:26,840 --> 01:04:28,800
you and we'll have to do this again sometime.

1142
01:04:29,599 --> 01:04:31,519
Speaker 6: And Bruce you rock Missta.

1143
01:04:33,159 --> 01:04:34,400
Speaker 3: Well really does well.

1144
01:04:34,480 --> 01:04:36,719
Speaker 1: We're going to sign off this so thank you everybody

1145
01:04:36,760 --> 01:04:40,519
for listening to another edition of Unknown Origins Radio. Be

1146
01:04:40,599 --> 01:04:43,920
sure to tune in here every Monday evening at nine

1147
01:04:44,000 --> 01:04:48,239
pm Eastern Standard Time on the Dark Matter Radio Network.

1148
01:04:48,519 --> 01:04:51,400
And we sign off with as usual with our weekly

1149
01:04:51,440 --> 01:04:55,559
wisdom from Greg Gonzalez and Greg says, I do what

1150
01:04:55,679 --> 01:04:59,159
I want, when I want, where I want. If my

1151
01:04:59,199 --> 01:05:03,639
wife says it's okay, that's right. Have a great night, everybody,