WEBVTT 1 00:00:07.280 --> 00:00:10.720 You are now listening to True Murder, The most shocking 2 00:00:10.800 --> 00:00:13.839 killers in true crime history and the authors that have 3 00:00:13.919 --> 00:00:21.199 written about them Gaesy, Bundy, Dahmer, The Nightstalker, DTK. Every 4 00:00:21.239 --> 00:00:24.920 week another fascinating author talking about the most shocking and 5 00:00:25.039 --> 00:00:29.199 infamous killers in true crime history. True Murder with your 6 00:00:29.239 --> 00:00:32.399 host journalist and author Dan Zupanski. 7 00:00:41.439 --> 00:00:45.759 Good Evening. Melinda Kola is very familiar with his Secret 8 00:00:45.840 --> 00:00:48.439 Santa and the many links that tie him to John 9 00:00:48.479 --> 00:00:52.439 Beney Ramsey. Each link is carefully explained within this book 10 00:00:52.759 --> 00:00:55.520 to lead from one connection to the next between John 11 00:00:55.560 --> 00:00:59.079 Beney and the Secret Santa. Follow the pieces of the 12 00:00:59.119 --> 00:01:01.640 puzzle to find out but who this secret Centa is 13 00:01:02.119 --> 00:01:05.040 and how this chameleon was able to evade the authorities. 14 00:01:05.680 --> 00:01:08.799 Included within as a pair of government generated documents for 15 00:01:08.879 --> 00:01:12.840 the same man under different aliases assume names. This alone 16 00:01:12.840 --> 00:01:16.079 should raise a red flag for authorities. The same individual 17 00:01:16.480 --> 00:01:19.400 also use a term of endearment common to the Ramsey 18 00:01:19.480 --> 00:01:22.400 family for John Benay in front of his peers and 19 00:01:22.439 --> 00:01:25.400 classmates at a karate school, when asked if he was 20 00:01:25.439 --> 00:01:29.400 related to that girl found in a basement, he responded with, 21 00:01:29.519 --> 00:01:32.519 I don't know, No Johnny B. No one knew this 22 00:01:32.719 --> 00:01:35.000 term of endearment until it was used in the book 23 00:01:35.079 --> 00:01:38.920 The Death of Innocence by John Ramsey. Planned murder indicates 24 00:01:38.920 --> 00:01:42.359 that the killer knew the victim's schedule. Overkill is usually 25 00:01:42.439 --> 00:01:45.680 a message intended for someone else other than the victim. 26 00:01:46.079 --> 00:01:50.159 Who was the overkill message intended for and why. DNA 27 00:01:50.519 --> 00:01:53.519 feenotyping can be used to help generate an image of 28 00:01:53.560 --> 00:01:56.040 the killer's face, which may match up with some of 29 00:01:56.040 --> 00:01:59.680 the images found within this book, raising some serious questions. 30 00:02:00.079 --> 00:02:02.359 The true name of the Secret Santa is listed on 31 00:02:02.439 --> 00:02:05.400 Detective Lou Smith's suspect list. There is a list of 32 00:02:05.439 --> 00:02:07.439 people to contact at the end of the book should 33 00:02:07.480 --> 00:02:11.479 you see this Secret Santa reports whereabouts to the proper authorities. 34 00:02:11.599 --> 00:02:13.919 Corruption and lack of cooperation on the part of the 35 00:02:13.919 --> 00:02:16.599 authorities have held back much of this information for far 36 00:02:16.680 --> 00:02:19.560 too long. That is why she has compiled the list 37 00:02:19.599 --> 00:02:21.479 of links to send out to the public so that 38 00:02:21.520 --> 00:02:25.879 they may decide for themselves. If the information found within 39 00:02:26.319 --> 00:02:30.879 warrant's interest and possibly and arrest. Perhaps together we can 40 00:02:30.919 --> 00:02:33.759 finally bring an end to this case and justice for 41 00:02:33.879 --> 00:02:36.639 John Benay Ramsey. The book that We're featuring this evening 42 00:02:36.800 --> 00:02:41.039 is Secret Santa, My Murderer, The True John Benay completed 43 00:02:41.080 --> 00:02:45.080 puzzle with my special guest, activists and author Melinda Coola. 44 00:02:45.319 --> 00:02:47.639 Welcome to the program, and thank you for this interview. 45 00:02:47.840 --> 00:02:48.719 Melinda Coola. 46 00:02:49.360 --> 00:02:53.000 Thank you Mistress Fansky for giving an ear and an 47 00:02:53.000 --> 00:02:56.319 audience to John Benay as well as other homicide victims. 48 00:02:56.599 --> 00:02:58.879 It's our job to tell the truth. I can tell 49 00:02:58.919 --> 00:03:01.439 you this is the line a leone than terrible tragedies. 50 00:03:01.520 --> 00:03:04.240 There's posters everywhere see it, say it. If you see 51 00:03:04.280 --> 00:03:07.439 something that's wrong, you suspect something, you're supposed to report it. 52 00:03:07.479 --> 00:03:11.319 If not, then you become culpable in the outcome of tragedies. 53 00:03:11.599 --> 00:03:14.800 I'm trying not to become culpable in the outcome of 54 00:03:14.840 --> 00:03:16.280 the tragedy of this child. 55 00:03:16.599 --> 00:03:20.560 Let's go to nineteen ninety six. Take us back for 56 00:03:20.680 --> 00:03:25.840 people to understand what John Benay had told four persons. 57 00:03:26.479 --> 00:03:29.520 Tell us what John Benay had said regarding Secret Santa. 58 00:03:29.960 --> 00:03:33.560 Tell us about these conversations before we talk about who 59 00:03:33.719 --> 00:03:36.000 you found out to be the Secret Santa. 60 00:03:36.159 --> 00:03:39.439 Children are never heard. Everyone wants them to go away. 61 00:03:39.800 --> 00:03:42.159 But John Beney quote a friend of hers and that 62 00:03:42.400 --> 00:03:47.439 information was just made available very recently. This friend announced 63 00:03:47.439 --> 00:03:50.639 that John Beney, when they were young, told her she 64 00:03:50.800 --> 00:03:55.039 was very excited Santa's coming again after Christmas. But the 65 00:03:55.159 --> 00:03:58.599 child said, well, Santo was here. You know, Santa's coming 66 00:03:58.639 --> 00:04:01.879 again after Christmas with a present, but it's a secret. 67 00:04:01.879 --> 00:04:06.960 It's a secret visit. This child just now recently, within 68 00:04:07.000 --> 00:04:10.319 the last couple of weeks, came forward with that information 69 00:04:10.479 --> 00:04:14.919 because now she's twenty six years older and she realized 70 00:04:14.919 --> 00:04:18.240 the importance of what John Beney told her dear friend 71 00:04:18.240 --> 00:04:20.000 when they were both six years old. 72 00:04:20.319 --> 00:04:23.639 You cite three other people that were also told about 73 00:04:23.639 --> 00:04:28.160 the secret Santa. What kinds of things specifically did John 74 00:04:28.240 --> 00:04:30.079 Benet say, and to who. 75 00:04:30.160 --> 00:04:34.759 The Santa at fleet White's party? That Santa was accustomed 76 00:04:34.800 --> 00:04:37.680 to being there for the fleet White family, so everyone 77 00:04:37.839 --> 00:04:41.480 was familiar with that Santa. That was the second Santa 78 00:04:41.600 --> 00:04:45.639 for John Beney, John Benet's family's Santa mc reynold's was 79 00:04:45.759 --> 00:04:49.240 Stanta number one. So as this party is winding down 80 00:04:49.399 --> 00:04:53.839 at fleet White's house and Priscilla's John Beney is thinking 81 00:04:53.920 --> 00:04:57.839 Santa and Santa is hoping she enjoyed all her presence. 82 00:04:58.000 --> 00:05:02.480 John Benay told that Santa Danta number two, she's expecting 83 00:05:02.560 --> 00:05:06.480 another Santa after Christmas, but it was a secret Santa, 84 00:05:06.639 --> 00:05:09.480 and he's going to bring her yet another present, Stanta 85 00:05:09.560 --> 00:05:12.800 number two. I'm not sure if he became a little 86 00:05:12.800 --> 00:05:15.639 annoyed that she might be greedy or didn't understand she 87 00:05:15.720 --> 00:05:19.680 was speaking of her truth. Santa's coming again after Christmas, 88 00:05:19.680 --> 00:05:22.879 because that Danta told her he has already been here 89 00:05:22.920 --> 00:05:25.240 at your home and here I am. So he wondered 90 00:05:25.240 --> 00:05:28.319 why she was expecting another Santa in the evening when 91 00:05:28.360 --> 00:05:33.319 everyone was leaving. I believe that John Beney told Priscilla White, 92 00:05:33.480 --> 00:05:37.879 Danta is coming again after Christmas when Papa John Ramsey 93 00:05:38.000 --> 00:05:41.240 tucked his child in bed. Somewhere along the line over 94 00:05:41.279 --> 00:05:44.839 these past twenty six years, someone pointed out that she 95 00:05:45.079 --> 00:05:48.160 also told her father while he's tucking her in and 96 00:05:48.199 --> 00:05:50.639 she wakes up just a moment or two, and she's 97 00:05:50.720 --> 00:05:53.199 excited because even though she's sleepy and it's been a 98 00:05:53.240 --> 00:05:57.120 long day, Danta is coming again after Christmas. The child 99 00:05:57.199 --> 00:06:01.319 who's now twenty six years older, that is recent. That 100 00:06:01.519 --> 00:06:05.040 is a young lady who knows what she heard from 101 00:06:05.120 --> 00:06:08.360 this precious six year old friend of hers, the other Santa. 102 00:06:08.360 --> 00:06:10.560 I don't know that he's still alive from the Fleet 103 00:06:10.560 --> 00:06:14.160 White party. And for Priscilla, she may remember that, but 104 00:06:14.279 --> 00:06:17.480 certainly I would think a father would remember the words 105 00:06:17.519 --> 00:06:20.079 that his daughter has to say about a secret Santa 106 00:06:20.160 --> 00:06:20.879 after Christmas. 107 00:06:20.920 --> 00:06:24.000 You're right about the groundskeeper and what John Benay had 108 00:06:24.040 --> 00:06:26.920 said to the groundskeeper regarding Secret Senna. 109 00:06:27.000 --> 00:06:30.800 Yes, her conversation with the groundskeeper stemmed from her coming 110 00:06:30.879 --> 00:06:32.959 to him and she was crying, and this I had 111 00:06:33.000 --> 00:06:35.839 read somewhere. She approached him, she was crying. He wants 112 00:06:35.839 --> 00:06:38.120 to know why she was crying. After all, it's Christmas, 113 00:06:38.279 --> 00:06:40.639 you've opened your presence, you've visited with stands, you have 114 00:06:40.680 --> 00:06:43.160 a brand new bike. Why would you be crying on Christmas? 115 00:06:43.240 --> 00:06:45.560 Probably he's thinking, as a young man himself, did someone 116 00:06:45.639 --> 00:06:48.120 hurt her? Did she fall? What's wrong? And she said 117 00:06:48.120 --> 00:06:51.079 to him, I wish my father was around more often. 118 00:06:51.399 --> 00:06:53.879 So at that moment I'm feeling is that if she's 119 00:06:53.879 --> 00:06:56.040 not seeing her father as the bad guy, I wish 120 00:06:56.079 --> 00:06:59.959 my father was around more often. And why does love hurt? 121 00:07:00.439 --> 00:07:03.920 Why does love hurt? That was the second comment. Why 122 00:07:03.920 --> 00:07:06.360 would a six year old even make such a statement 123 00:07:06.680 --> 00:07:10.399 is it because the secret Santa who visited every Christmas 124 00:07:10.399 --> 00:07:13.879 Eve hurt her while he's in costume. Is that a 125 00:07:13.920 --> 00:07:15.519 possibility the answers Yes. 126 00:07:15.639 --> 00:07:19.839 Let's get back to what the neighborhoard later after this, 127 00:07:20.240 --> 00:07:22.879 and again we're not going to go into what happened 128 00:07:22.959 --> 00:07:27.240 on that morning, the police arrival and the mishandling of 129 00:07:27.240 --> 00:07:30.040 this case, the gross mishandling of this case right from 130 00:07:30.079 --> 00:07:33.480 the very beginning of the investigation. But let's talk about 131 00:07:33.560 --> 00:07:36.160 what police do find in terms of a neighbor that 132 00:07:36.240 --> 00:07:39.639 comes forth and has something to say that they witnessed 133 00:07:39.680 --> 00:07:44.000 in terms of a scream, and also an eyewitness report 134 00:07:44.040 --> 00:07:46.000 that they gave to police. Tell us what they said 135 00:07:46.000 --> 00:07:48.639 to police in terms of this description and what they 136 00:07:48.759 --> 00:07:49.519 heard and when. 137 00:07:49.959 --> 00:07:53.959 That is such an important point, because the neighbor across 138 00:07:54.040 --> 00:07:58.160 the street heard after midnight or at midnight, a scream 139 00:07:58.199 --> 00:08:00.680 of a child, the most heart wrenched scream she had 140 00:08:00.720 --> 00:08:03.680 ever heard in her entire life. This scream came definitely, 141 00:08:03.720 --> 00:08:06.519 in her opinion, from across the street from the Ramsay's home. 142 00:08:06.720 --> 00:08:10.199 That tells us that at midnight, John Bane still alive, 143 00:08:10.480 --> 00:08:14.240 because she's the one that's screamed. Now, later that same 144 00:08:14.319 --> 00:08:17.439 witness who's hearing the scream and is wondering what's going 145 00:08:17.439 --> 00:08:22.000 on across the street. That same witness saw at five pm. Okay, 146 00:08:22.040 --> 00:08:24.800 now we're into the next day, the day after Christmas, 147 00:08:25.240 --> 00:08:28.079 where John and Patsy are leaving their home at five 148 00:08:28.519 --> 00:08:31.279 to go to the Fleet White party, but the neighbors 149 00:08:31.279 --> 00:08:34.279 saying goodbye. She has their dog. She sees a man 150 00:08:34.360 --> 00:08:38.759 coming from the left walking straight to John's house. There 151 00:08:38.799 --> 00:08:40.960 is a good chance that the person walking straight to 152 00:08:41.080 --> 00:08:43.159 John's house and cutting as you're looking at the front 153 00:08:43.200 --> 00:08:45.919 of the house over to the left corner watched John 154 00:08:45.919 --> 00:08:48.639 and Patsy pull away. Because of the timing, So this 155 00:08:48.879 --> 00:08:52.120 curious woman saw the image of the man, knows that 156 00:08:52.200 --> 00:08:55.799 he was maybe five six, maybe one hundred and thirty pounds. 157 00:08:55.960 --> 00:08:59.519 What jacket he was wearing that he with intention walked 158 00:08:59.519 --> 00:09:01.720 toward the house and off to the left corner. That 159 00:09:01.840 --> 00:09:04.279 would be by the way, the same corner where if 160 00:09:04.320 --> 00:09:07.200 you lift up the grate and slide into the room. 161 00:09:07.399 --> 00:09:10.399 It would be that corner. Later, when the police were 162 00:09:10.399 --> 00:09:12.960 there to find out about the kidnapping, which as you know, 163 00:09:13.039 --> 00:09:17.080 turned into a murder, he is there at running away 164 00:09:17.080 --> 00:09:20.279 from the house. That same man is running away from 165 00:09:20.320 --> 00:09:23.080 the house from the back and then back to the 166 00:09:23.120 --> 00:09:26.320 direction he came from. And this woman is watching him 167 00:09:26.360 --> 00:09:29.360 run away from the house while the authorities are in 168 00:09:29.720 --> 00:09:32.919 the house, probably looking for him. Now they realize this 169 00:09:32.960 --> 00:09:35.200 is not a kidnapping, this is a murder. So she 170 00:09:35.519 --> 00:09:38.519 had turned around and stopped one of the local officers 171 00:09:38.519 --> 00:09:40.840 in front of her home, like in between the two streets, 172 00:09:41.000 --> 00:09:43.720 and she said, there is a man running away from 173 00:09:43.759 --> 00:09:45.840 the house. This is what he looks like. But he 174 00:09:45.919 --> 00:09:48.360 is the same man that at five o'clock in the 175 00:09:48.399 --> 00:09:52.639 evening approached the house and that front left corner. So 176 00:09:52.679 --> 00:09:55.320 it's the same man at five who is running away. Now, 177 00:09:55.480 --> 00:09:57.440 maybe someone could go catch up with him and find 178 00:09:57.480 --> 00:09:59.279 out who he is and why is he here and 179 00:09:59.279 --> 00:10:01.120 why is he running away from the house When the 180 00:10:01.120 --> 00:10:04.360 house is loaded with police officers, she said, no one 181 00:10:04.399 --> 00:10:08.320 paid attention to her, No one pursued that individual. Incredible. 182 00:10:09.200 --> 00:10:12.879 Let's talk about the most important thing that you bring 183 00:10:12.919 --> 00:10:17.240 to this story, obviously, is your interaction with this person 184 00:10:17.399 --> 00:10:21.720 you believe is the primary suspect, Bill Ramsey. First off, 185 00:10:21.759 --> 00:10:25.320 tell us who Bill Ramsey is, just officially, and then 186 00:10:25.559 --> 00:10:28.759 let's take our audience back to the karate school, and 187 00:10:28.840 --> 00:10:31.879 in July nineteen ninety six you write that your husband 188 00:10:31.960 --> 00:10:34.440 is involved in this karate school as an adult student 189 00:10:34.480 --> 00:10:38.000 and your son is involved as a child student at 190 00:10:38.039 --> 00:10:42.120 this AKC karate school. Tell us what this karate school is, 191 00:10:42.480 --> 00:10:45.039 who the instructor is, tell us a little bit about 192 00:10:45.320 --> 00:10:48.000 your son being there. Tell us give us a background 193 00:10:48.039 --> 00:10:50.600 about this karate school and why you're all there, and 194 00:10:50.639 --> 00:10:52.679 then what happens one day? Who do you meet. 195 00:10:52.879 --> 00:10:55.600 There's two karate schools, and we should always call them. 196 00:10:55.639 --> 00:10:59.519 Karate school number one, the original school that Bill Ramsey 197 00:10:59.639 --> 00:11:03.240 and his two friends participated in in Mannahawk and New Jersey. 198 00:11:03.399 --> 00:11:06.240 That's karate school number one. Let's call it the negative school. 199 00:11:06.320 --> 00:11:10.279 Karate school number two, the one my husband and son attended. 200 00:11:10.360 --> 00:11:12.279 Franklin was five and a half years old. He's in 201 00:11:12.320 --> 00:11:15.159 the child's class. Tom's in the adult class with other 202 00:11:15.200 --> 00:11:18.639 adult males and females. That's karate school number two. Parkinson 203 00:11:18.720 --> 00:11:22.600 Bay Karate School. The owner is Brian Parkinson. That was 204 00:11:22.639 --> 00:11:26.279 in Weartown, New Jersey, which is now the Waretown Post Office. 205 00:11:26.440 --> 00:11:30.159 This is where I met a man and his name 206 00:11:30.399 --> 00:11:34.159 was Bill Ramsey. Bill Ramsey and his two friends came 207 00:11:34.200 --> 00:11:38.720 together at the Parkinson Bay Karate School. Bill Ramsey's presence 208 00:11:38.799 --> 00:11:42.279 was very strongly felt because of his attention to the 209 00:11:42.399 --> 00:11:45.879 children and then his aggressive nature with the adult males, 210 00:11:46.320 --> 00:11:51.799 especially after he returned from John Benet's murder situation. Bill 211 00:11:52.039 --> 00:11:55.039 Ramsey is five feet six, he's one hundred and thirty 212 00:11:55.080 --> 00:11:58.360 pounds silk and wet. To describe him as very easy. 213 00:11:58.759 --> 00:12:01.720 Think of Charles Manson. This man standing right next to 214 00:12:01.840 --> 00:12:04.480 Charles Manson, and you probably wouldn't be able to tell 215 00:12:04.480 --> 00:12:07.120 them apart in height and build and weight, in the 216 00:12:07.159 --> 00:12:10.720 way they look in appearance. No disrespect to either one 217 00:12:10.759 --> 00:12:14.159 of them, but you're looking at someone very very similar 218 00:12:14.279 --> 00:12:17.679 to Charles Manson. Bill Ramsey's sitting on the bleachers. High 219 00:12:17.679 --> 00:12:19.840 on the bleachers, there's one bleacher. It kind of helps 220 00:12:19.879 --> 00:12:22.759 the karate instructor to keep the adults away from the 221 00:12:22.840 --> 00:12:27.360 children during the children's class. Bill was angry, and this 222 00:12:27.440 --> 00:12:30.039 is where he really got my attention. Bill was very, 223 00:12:30.120 --> 00:12:33.000 very angry because on the wall where Bill always sat 224 00:12:33.159 --> 00:12:36.320 high on the bleacher to his right was a wooden 225 00:12:36.480 --> 00:12:40.279 karate training sword. It was a very ornate piece of carving. 226 00:12:40.639 --> 00:12:43.279 It can be used as a sword. It can inflict danger, 227 00:12:43.679 --> 00:12:46.360 but it was intended as a unique gift, one of 228 00:12:46.399 --> 00:12:48.919 a kind for the owner of the school, given to 229 00:12:49.159 --> 00:12:54.200 mister Parkinson. Since the Parkinson by an appreciating customer client, 230 00:12:54.399 --> 00:12:57.279 it always hung on that wall. Bill Ramsey is all 231 00:12:57.320 --> 00:13:00.519 about wood and that's something we should all remember. My son, 232 00:13:00.679 --> 00:13:03.200 because he did very well in obtaining his white belt. 233 00:13:03.279 --> 00:13:05.799 Not remember he's a very active little boy five and 234 00:13:05.799 --> 00:13:08.720 a half years old, asked the karate instructor, since he 235 00:13:08.759 --> 00:13:11.159 won his white belt, would he please run up the 236 00:13:11.200 --> 00:13:14.120 bleacher grab the sword. He'll be very very careful, but 237 00:13:14.159 --> 00:13:16.399 he just wanted to stay it and handle it. Mister 238 00:13:16.440 --> 00:13:19.919 Parkinson gave him permission. Franklin ran off the bleachers behind 239 00:13:19.960 --> 00:13:23.120 Bill Ramsey, grabbed the sword off the wall, jumped down 240 00:13:23.320 --> 00:13:25.840 from the bleachers. It was only about five six steps. 241 00:13:25.960 --> 00:13:29.799 As he's playing something that would be like Zoral Power Rangers. 242 00:13:29.799 --> 00:13:32.840 He's just swinging the sword around, pretending to be able 243 00:13:32.879 --> 00:13:35.840 to train himself how to use it better. Not anyone 244 00:13:36.000 --> 00:13:38.519 in sight of him. No one was in danger. The 245 00:13:38.600 --> 00:13:40.600 karate instructor was keeping an eye on that. All of 246 00:13:40.639 --> 00:13:43.480 a sudden, Bill Ramsey jumps off the bleacher, went after 247 00:13:43.559 --> 00:13:47.840 Franklin ripped the sword from Franklin's hands and thrusted it 248 00:13:48.039 --> 00:13:52.000 forward Franklin's abdomen. Franklin, because he had just finished workout, 249 00:13:52.159 --> 00:13:56.879 Franklin intuitively jumped back away from the point of the sword. 250 00:13:56.960 --> 00:14:00.320 It's the wooden sword, and that instant I raised from 251 00:14:00.360 --> 00:14:03.320 the front of the school to Franklin, pushed them behind, 252 00:14:03.559 --> 00:14:06.480 grabbed the sword off. Bill Ramsey returned it to where 253 00:14:06.559 --> 00:14:08.960 it's supposed to be on the wall till the instructor 254 00:14:09.039 --> 00:14:11.480 get this man away from the children. He's a danger 255 00:14:11.519 --> 00:14:13.559 to the children. None of the children are his. Why 256 00:14:13.679 --> 00:14:15.440 is he here? And if he's here the next time, 257 00:14:15.519 --> 00:14:18.279 all parents will pull their children because I will pull mine. 258 00:14:18.399 --> 00:14:22.120 And the problem was resolved. We thought, that's Bill Ramsey tell. 259 00:14:22.039 --> 00:14:26.080 Us a little bit more about this unique hand carved, 260 00:14:26.360 --> 00:14:29.240 hand painted miniature karate sword. 261 00:14:29.519 --> 00:14:31.559 This sword, I had it in my own hands. It's 262 00:14:31.600 --> 00:14:35.720 only about twenty to twenty two inches in length. In 263 00:14:35.720 --> 00:14:39.519 that area the sword had scrolled where you would put 264 00:14:39.559 --> 00:14:42.639 your hand the hand grip. It had scrolled in gold 265 00:14:43.080 --> 00:14:46.519 the word Korea. Not made in Japan, made in China, 266 00:14:46.639 --> 00:14:49.720 made in Korea. No, no, no, only just one word 267 00:14:50.000 --> 00:14:52.960 scrolled in gold paint. Indicative of it being a one 268 00:14:53.000 --> 00:14:55.879 of a kind and created for this instructor. The word 269 00:14:55.960 --> 00:14:59.519 Korea down the shaft of it on all sides was 270 00:14:59.639 --> 00:15:04.120 what one would think, is this black laquer swiggles like 271 00:15:04.120 --> 00:15:07.519 little snakes. It wasn't. It was Korean lettering. The Korean 272 00:15:07.600 --> 00:15:11.600 lettering meant pride, integrity, that sort of thing. It also 273 00:15:11.759 --> 00:15:15.399 had splashes of other colors of paint. And it was 274 00:15:15.440 --> 00:15:19.360 sealed with a glistening laquer. That's very very important. It 275 00:15:19.440 --> 00:15:23.399 was sealed. This whole piece of wood artwork was sealed 276 00:15:23.399 --> 00:15:27.399 with a glistening laquer. The reason why that's important is 277 00:15:27.480 --> 00:15:32.399 in the autopsy report, the coroner is very specific as 278 00:15:32.440 --> 00:15:38.000 to the explanation and detailing of the wooden stick, which 279 00:15:38.039 --> 00:15:40.759 everyone is calling a paint brush handle, whether it is 280 00:15:40.879 --> 00:15:43.679 or it isn't. I only know this when he said 281 00:15:44.120 --> 00:15:49.240 the word Korea scrolled in gold paint, and then there 282 00:15:49.320 --> 00:15:53.639 were black swiggles of lacquer paint running up and down it, 283 00:15:53.840 --> 00:15:57.720 and a splash of multiple color paints, and it was 284 00:15:57.840 --> 00:16:02.799 sealed with a glistening He basically described the sword I 285 00:16:02.960 --> 00:16:06.200 just described to you, sir, So not only that, but 286 00:16:06.320 --> 00:16:09.440 mister Stepansky, this is a man who loves wood can 287 00:16:09.480 --> 00:16:12.960 turn wood into anything he absolutely wants to. So was 288 00:16:13.200 --> 00:16:16.879 that stick that completed the garag? Was it from the 289 00:16:16.919 --> 00:16:20.080 paint brush tray? A handle? A paintbrush handle. I can 290 00:16:20.120 --> 00:16:23.000 tell you one thing I know about paintbrush handles. They 291 00:16:23.039 --> 00:16:25.799 are never how much you spend on them, how little 292 00:16:25.879 --> 00:16:29.200 you spend on them, it's irrelevant. They're never sealed with 293 00:16:29.320 --> 00:16:33.360 a glistening lacker. They're never. They don't have Korean words 294 00:16:33.399 --> 00:16:35.799 going up and down them. They don't have scrolled and 295 00:16:35.840 --> 00:16:40.240 go only one word Korea. They have yes, made in Japan, 296 00:16:40.440 --> 00:16:43.080 made in China. Yes they have that, but not what 297 00:16:43.279 --> 00:16:47.080 was described as this miniature would karate training sort. So, 298 00:16:47.080 --> 00:16:50.519 sooner or later we are going to connect what exactly 299 00:16:50.600 --> 00:16:52.360 was used to make the garage. 300 00:16:52.639 --> 00:16:58.399 Let's talk about his behavior. You mentioned that his behavior 301 00:16:58.440 --> 00:17:01.759 in the class was a concerned to all the parents, 302 00:17:01.799 --> 00:17:04.599 and so they went to the instructor and tried to 303 00:17:04.599 --> 00:17:07.240 come up with some solutions. So the adults were not 304 00:17:07.400 --> 00:17:09.759 unless they were a guardian or parent of the child, 305 00:17:09.799 --> 00:17:12.039 they were not allowed to be at these classes. And 306 00:17:12.119 --> 00:17:15.799 the adults were only permitted to be at these classes 307 00:17:15.960 --> 00:17:18.920 five minutes arrived only five minutes before their classes, so 308 00:17:18.920 --> 00:17:22.359 there was a separation between the children and having someone 309 00:17:22.599 --> 00:17:26.400 not connected to the children. Say, for example, observing in 310 00:17:26.440 --> 00:17:31.000 this interim from July to December, your husband was in 311 00:17:31.000 --> 00:17:35.480 these adult classes, and other people communicated with this person 312 00:17:35.599 --> 00:17:39.759 that was in these classes as fellow karate devote. What 313 00:17:39.839 --> 00:17:43.319 are the things that were said just before Christmas of 314 00:17:43.440 --> 00:17:44.960 nineteen ninety six. 315 00:17:44.920 --> 00:17:47.720 Mister Sepansky, you just hit on the most important part 316 00:17:47.799 --> 00:17:50.960 of all of this. Bill came in and is rare 317 00:17:51.200 --> 00:17:55.279 that Bill Ramsey is in good spirits. Only one day 318 00:17:55.440 --> 00:17:58.359 that I know of, he announced to the karate instructor 319 00:17:58.599 --> 00:18:03.599 that he and his two friends are seasonal workers in construction. 320 00:18:03.720 --> 00:18:05.480 They didn't have the mighty paid the tuition for the 321 00:18:05.519 --> 00:18:07.920 last couple of months. The crowding instructor said, that's okay. 322 00:18:07.960 --> 00:18:10.160 When you get back to work, then you can just 323 00:18:10.240 --> 00:18:12.480 catch up. I know you're not going anywhere. He said, 324 00:18:12.480 --> 00:18:15.480 oh no, no, I expect to collect one hundred and 325 00:18:15.559 --> 00:18:20.000 eighteen thousand dollars as an inheritance, and when I returned 326 00:18:20.039 --> 00:18:24.359 from Boulder, Colorado, I will not only pay my delinquent tuition, 327 00:18:24.599 --> 00:18:27.000 but that of my two friends Ed and Terry. And 328 00:18:27.039 --> 00:18:29.839 he said, well, that's okay, no pressure, but did somebody die? 329 00:18:29.920 --> 00:18:33.200 You used the word inheritance. Did someone die? He said, oh? No, 330 00:18:33.279 --> 00:18:35.559 said I visit my father every Christmas Eve for a 331 00:18:35.640 --> 00:18:37.839 large sum of money. It sustains me for a year, 332 00:18:38.119 --> 00:18:40.319 and then I go back to the next stasy for that 333 00:18:40.400 --> 00:18:45.720 year's inheritance. Nobody died, and the crowding instructor, mister Brian Parkinson, said, oh, okay, 334 00:18:45.759 --> 00:18:48.359 I just I was concerned because you use that one 335 00:18:48.400 --> 00:18:50.839 word inheritance. He said, no, no, no. The other thing 336 00:18:51.000 --> 00:18:54.119 that took place was when anyone the men or the 337 00:18:54.200 --> 00:18:57.640 children would earn a belt rightfully, so everybody else would 338 00:18:57.680 --> 00:19:01.240 hear them on. Another adult male right another adult male 339 00:19:01.279 --> 00:19:02.880 said to him, you know, don't you have any family 340 00:19:02.920 --> 00:19:04.799 to be here for you and cheer you on and 341 00:19:05.079 --> 00:19:07.599 encourage you. Beside your two friends at in Terry. Don't 342 00:19:07.599 --> 00:19:10.039 you have anybody? He said, no, I'm the black sheep 343 00:19:10.079 --> 00:19:12.319 of a wealthy family. They live out in Boulder, Colorado. 344 00:19:12.599 --> 00:19:14.759 I see them once a year. They can't be bothered 345 00:19:14.759 --> 00:19:16.680 with me other than give me money to stay away 346 00:19:16.680 --> 00:19:18.519 from them. And he was very angry, and he said, 347 00:19:18.559 --> 00:19:21.279 I hate children, I hate children, I hate my siblings, 348 00:19:21.400 --> 00:19:23.559 I hate women and he just kind of used that 349 00:19:23.720 --> 00:19:28.200 moment to vent his anger toward a specific group, his siblings, 350 00:19:28.240 --> 00:19:30.880 because they were doted over his words, not mine, they 351 00:19:30.880 --> 00:19:32.799 were doted over, and all he gets his money once 352 00:19:32.839 --> 00:19:34.279 a year to get out of town and stay away 353 00:19:34.279 --> 00:19:37.359 for another year. Those were his words to different people 354 00:19:37.440 --> 00:19:39.839 in the karate class who happened to be standing around 355 00:19:40.079 --> 00:19:43.319 in a group encouraging one another to succeed in getting 356 00:19:43.319 --> 00:19:46.720 their next belt. So enough men in that karate class 357 00:19:46.759 --> 00:19:49.880 heard that, but more telling beside one hundred and eighteen 358 00:19:49.920 --> 00:19:53.680 thousand dollars before he ever left Ocean County, New Jersey, 359 00:19:53.839 --> 00:19:56.839 in this case where town, New Jersey, before he ever left, 360 00:19:56.880 --> 00:20:00.519 and expressing his hatred for his siblings because they're doated 361 00:20:00.519 --> 00:20:04.200 over and women in general, and that he traveled to 362 00:20:04.240 --> 00:20:07.640 Boulder to receive money once every Christmas. Considering all of that, 363 00:20:08.000 --> 00:20:12.000 Considering all of that, when this man came back from Boulder, Colorado, 364 00:20:12.440 --> 00:20:15.079 after the murder of this child, he had not received 365 00:20:15.079 --> 00:20:18.559 one hundred and eighteen thousand dollars, and he was filled 366 00:20:18.599 --> 00:20:21.319 with rage and anger, and he only took it out 367 00:20:21.359 --> 00:20:22.799 on one person, my husband. 368 00:20:23.039 --> 00:20:26.880 Let's go back to something that happened before his planned 369 00:20:26.960 --> 00:20:30.720 Christmas visit. I think it's very important if this was 370 00:20:30.799 --> 00:20:33.839 witnessed and you write that it was. What was the 371 00:20:33.880 --> 00:20:38.599 footwear the new footwear that Bill Ramsey came to the 372 00:20:38.680 --> 00:20:40.000 karate class wearing. 373 00:20:40.200 --> 00:20:43.160 Oh my god, you're brilliant he prior to the trip, 374 00:20:43.240 --> 00:20:45.319 because he sat high in the bleachers and he always 375 00:20:45.359 --> 00:20:48.440 wore what I would call clothes of a paulper if 376 00:20:48.480 --> 00:20:51.279 I may say so, and no disrespect please, But all 377 00:20:51.319 --> 00:20:53.799 of a sudden he's sitting on the bleachers and since 378 00:20:53.839 --> 00:20:57.319 he says, hi, you cannot miss the red logo. It's 379 00:20:57.359 --> 00:21:00.880 a type of a feather ring, bright red Indian feathering, 380 00:21:00.920 --> 00:21:03.160 if you will. That's why I would explain it as 381 00:21:03.359 --> 00:21:07.359 and the words high tech HI, dash, capital T, capital E, 382 00:21:07.559 --> 00:21:11.599 capital C. Because these very shiny footwear is new to 383 00:21:11.680 --> 00:21:16.279 his wardrobe. The men, especially the karate instructor, mister Brian Parkinson, 384 00:21:16.920 --> 00:21:21.559 encouraged him and commented in a very positive way, hoping 385 00:21:21.680 --> 00:21:23.480 that he would do the same with the rest of 386 00:21:23.480 --> 00:21:26.559 his wardrobe, like not look so Charles Manson like. So 387 00:21:26.759 --> 00:21:29.680 they commented and he said, well, it's cold where I'm 388 00:21:29.720 --> 00:21:32.599 going and I needed this footwear and so now it'll 389 00:21:32.640 --> 00:21:34.880 be easier for him to visit his father for the 390 00:21:34.880 --> 00:21:38.559 collection of his money. But please remember something which I 391 00:21:38.640 --> 00:21:40.440 just found out recently, which is why I'm bringing it 392 00:21:40.519 --> 00:21:45.000 up right now. There is police issue items that were 393 00:21:45.200 --> 00:21:49.079 in the crime scene that to this day nobody can explain. 394 00:21:49.240 --> 00:21:53.039 The high tech brant one footprint one in the dust 395 00:21:53.119 --> 00:21:55.640 next to John Benay where she was found. That's a 396 00:21:55.759 --> 00:21:59.279 police issued footwear. I didn't know that. I do know 397 00:21:59.319 --> 00:22:03.039 that now. Also the mag flashlight, the mag flashlight that 398 00:22:03.200 --> 00:22:06.000 was found and nobody has identified it as being there 399 00:22:06.319 --> 00:22:09.119 or somebody brought it in and just forgot about it. No, no, no, 400 00:22:09.359 --> 00:22:14.079 that is also police issued. The mag flashlight is police issued. 401 00:22:14.119 --> 00:22:16.440