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Speaker 2: Really appreciate you listening. Tonight's guest was featured on episode
Speaker 2: five ninety seven, and because of how much detail there
Speaker 2: was to his encounter, we didn't have time. We didn't
Speaker 2: have close to enough time for medians them all the
Speaker 2: questions I had for him, and also on top of
Speaker 2: that too, I wanted to give the listeners in the
Speaker 2: live chatted chance to ask them questions as well.
Speaker 1: Well.
Speaker 2: What we planned to do was I planned to have
Speaker 2: them come back on last week for a special episode,
Speaker 2: but unfortunately his cable went down right before we were
Speaker 2: scheduled air that show, that special midweek live stream episode.
Speaker 2: So luckily that's all back up and running, so we're
Speaker 2: able to bring them back on tonight well without any
Speaker 2: further ado, let's bring that guest on now. James, thanks
Speaker 2: so much for coming back.
Speaker 1: Oh, it's a pleasure, pleasures.
Speaker 2: All mine, James, For anyone who missed episode five ninety seven,
Speaker 2: please tell them about yourself.
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's simple. Country boy from the country. I loved it.
Speaker 1: Now I moved to Texas, a big city of a
Speaker 1: new experience for me, and I'm manager at Subway. That's
Speaker 1: pretty much it. I got a little bat dog and Zero.
Speaker 2: Yeah, speaking of Zero, you sent me that picture of him.
Speaker 2: I think it was last Tuesday, and he's absolutely adorable.
Speaker 2: I'm gonna post his picture here and just debits everybody
Speaker 2: in the live chat. Everyone who watches the YouTube version
Speaker 2: of the show can see him. But I can understand
Speaker 2: why you love him the way you do. Oh yes, Yeah,
Speaker 2: he's something else. James. When you sat up and locked
Speaker 2: eyes with that dog men that was staring at you
Speaker 2: through the window that night, what did you see in
Speaker 2: his eyes? Did you see fear, anger or curiosity?
Speaker 1: Curiosity? It looked like it was just as surprised as
Speaker 1: I was, because I know when it was looking in there,
Speaker 1: it couldn't see me. It could see my brother's laying
Speaker 1: beside me, and probably the knees owned down to the
Speaker 1: feet of my sister and my youngest brother. But I
Speaker 1: know I could have seen my brother Tony Bark and
Speaker 1: James and the older one his name James, also James
Speaker 1: Evans Love and I knew I could see them, but
Speaker 1: it couldn't see me. So when I set up, I'm
Speaker 1: pretty sure I surprised it just as much as it
Speaker 1: surprised me.
Speaker 2: Didn't you say that your news to news with that
Speaker 2: dog man for about forty five.
Speaker 1: Minutes qualty five minutes less than I put an a
Speaker 1: half away from that thing. I watched that thing and
Speaker 1: I didn't move, It didn't move, and we just I
Speaker 1: was just locked. It was like I was paralyzed, like
Speaker 1: it was paradized. I couldn't I couldn't believe it. I
Speaker 1: was trying everything in the book to make out what
Speaker 1: it was, but nothing, nothing clicking. Back then that time
Speaker 1: in the eighties, that was I've never seen anything like that.
Speaker 2: Oh no, I'm sure you hadn't you know, when you're
Speaker 2: going through your encyclopedia of what it could have possibly been,
Speaker 2: nothing would fit, nothing would match anything like that. So
Speaker 2: I can only imagine the thoughts that were going through
Speaker 2: your head. But talking about what you saw in its eyes,
Speaker 2: if you were locking eyes with it for forty five minutes.
Speaker 2: In most cases, eyewitnesses are going to report a shift
Speaker 2: from one type of emotion in its size to the next,
Speaker 2: and then to the next, maybe curiosity at one point,
Speaker 2: and then you're steering me. You're steering daggers in my eyes,
Speaker 2: anger because you're challenging me, and then maybe cooling down
Speaker 2: a little bit and back to curiosity or some other emotion.
Speaker 2: You never saw any shift like that in its eyes.
Speaker 1: There was no shift whatsoever. Nothing moved on it. After
Speaker 1: his ears went back and his eyes followed me when
Speaker 1: I laid back down to it at an anger, I
Speaker 1: nearly laid on top of one of my brothers. Nothing
Speaker 1: about it changed. It was just standing wonder looking at me.
Speaker 1: The only thing moved with his eyes following me as
Speaker 1: I laid back, and it was no anger, no nothing
Speaker 1: like it was just like it was surprised. It was
Speaker 1: like curious, and I'm I'm pretty sure I had the
Speaker 1: same look in my eyes. I'm trying to figure out
Speaker 1: what it was, and I'm thinking, you know, it's trying
Speaker 1: to figure out what I am. And I say, that's
Speaker 1: the reason I wasn't scared, because it is no teeth
Speaker 1: showing nothing, no growling, no aggressive movement. Eyes would basically
Speaker 1: like zero the calm.
Speaker 2: It's curious when it comes to having dogman encounters. I
Speaker 2: think you hit the lottery as far as the dog
Speaker 2: man that came to pee a visit that night, because
Speaker 2: most of them had, they would have had a captive audience.
Speaker 2: You're right there, nose to know, nos to nose with it.
Speaker 2: They could have pushed all sorts of your buttons. But yeah,
Speaker 2: that dog me, I thank goodness, it didn't do any.
Speaker 1: Of that, none of it.
Speaker 2: That's really good now. I know you say when you
Speaker 2: first locked eyes with it, that had its ears pin
Speaker 2: At any point of that forty five minutes, did it
Speaker 2: ever put its ears back up?
Speaker 1: It ears never went back up. When I set up,
Speaker 1: what I noticed first was its hands. That's what was
Speaker 1: checking on that one thing like digitive, and that what
Speaker 1: woke me up. And I set up, and as my
Speaker 1: eyes adjifted, I seen the hands stop. And then when
Speaker 1: the ears went back, and that's what caught my attention
Speaker 1: for the second thing that moves E went back And
Speaker 1: from that moment until I watched it for those forty
Speaker 1: five fifty minutes until that the rest of the two
Speaker 1: hours I watched it. As I laid back, the ears
Speaker 1: never came back up. They stayed pent backwards, that could
Speaker 1: be see them come back up.
Speaker 2: That could be seen two ways. Obviously, if you're talking
Speaker 2: about a dog or a horus, if they pin their ears,
Speaker 2: normally that's a sign of anger. But it's going to
Speaker 2: use it Zerrus for information gathering. Well, you're right there,
Speaker 2: within less than a foot and a half from it.
Speaker 2: If you're going to make any noise, it's going to
Speaker 2: be able to see that you're making a noise, So
Speaker 2: it doesn't need it serious for that. Maybe it pended
Speaker 2: Seers just because of the intensity of the moment. I
Speaker 2: can't think for this thing. All I can do is
Speaker 2: just gues and as we go through tonight's show, I'm
Speaker 2: not gonna try to put any words into your mouth.
Speaker 2: That's the last thing I'd want to do. So when
Speaker 2: I ask you about things like this, yeah, just tell
Speaker 2: me what you experienced and I'll do the best I
Speaker 2: cannot to influence you. But maybe it pended Zeers. What
Speaker 2: I'm getting at here is maybe it pended Seers because
Speaker 2: it didn't want to intimidate you, maybe or just because
Speaker 2: of no other reason than it didn't need it. Zeos.
Speaker 2: It had you right there nose to nose with it,
Speaker 2: so there wasn't really any need to listen.
Speaker 3: So maybe that's what's behind it, like I say, Zero,
Speaker 3: But like I say, the ears went back in the back,
Speaker 3: back head, and that you may be right, and they
Speaker 3: probably right at times.
Speaker 1: Zero pennies is back is a little angry.
Speaker 2: Well, that just had to be through the roof. It
Speaker 2: really must have been. Not all, but a lot of
Speaker 2: my witnesses who've been that close to a dog man
Speaker 2: as you were for all that time, they reported an
Speaker 2: unusual quality that the dog man's rettinas had. Did you
Speaker 2: notice anything strange, any strange qualities about its rettinas when
Speaker 2: you were that close to it? I know you said
Speaker 2: it had eyes pretty close to Zero's, only quite a
Speaker 2: bit larger, But did you notice anything strange unusual about
Speaker 2: its retinas?
Speaker 1: Nothing strange about it? Blackish brown eyes and when I say,
Speaker 1: it looked exactly like Zero eyes and you can see
Speaker 1: just a little bit of white in them on both
Speaker 1: corners of his eye and a limit in the between
Speaker 1: it which knows was and that was it and it
Speaker 1: eyes was just basically like Zero's. A German shepherd like
Speaker 1: eyes or what not? A German shepherd. What's that down
Speaker 1: called guene yes? Not to know? Not that GWEENI A.
Speaker 1: I had one of those starts, a long time golden retriever.
Speaker 1: I was similar like that, and zero eyes are similar
Speaker 1: to a golden retriever.
Speaker 2: Why you really did looking? You really did hit the
Speaker 2: lottery when it comes to dog men. Yeah, you definitely
Speaker 2: hit the lottery because in almost every other case it's
Speaker 2: gonna be a lot more intense than that. Thank goodness,
Speaker 2: it wasn't more intense.
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, one thing I can tell you, I am
Speaker 1: awesome with dogs. I own at least thirty dollars and
Speaker 1: I could pretty much make them do anything I want.
Speaker 1: They just loved me. I had so many of them,
Speaker 1: like Zero he sleeps with me, and I had when
Speaker 1: I was in every day father live my well, my
Speaker 1: grandmother left my dad side, and I had dogs. I
Speaker 1: tell them go do this, and they pretty much don't
Speaker 1: do it. It's almost if they understood me. So I
Speaker 1: don't know. I wasn't aggressive toward it, So maybe it
Speaker 1: was just like, Okay, we're just gonna look at each
Speaker 1: other until somebody gives up.
Speaker 2: Normally, if these guys, they don't care if you're aggressive
Speaker 2: or not, they're gonna just do all they can to
Speaker 2: push your buttons and mortify you to within an inch
Speaker 2: of your life. That's why I'm saying, you really hit
Speaker 2: the lottery. When it comes to dogmen. You could have
Speaker 2: had an encounter with Thank goodness, like I said, for
Speaker 2: that as well, and as far as you being good
Speaker 2: with dogs, that's great. But when it comes to these guys,
Speaker 2: I don't need to tell you. We don't know how
Speaker 2: much of that crosses over to them. Maybe somebody can
Speaker 2: be great with dogs, but I really doubt that anybody's
Speaker 2: gonna be able to count on being good with dog men.
Speaker 2: I just don't think. I don't think that could be
Speaker 2: the case.
Speaker 1: I don't even, like I said this from here around
Speaker 1: like you say, I must have hit the lottery, and
Speaker 1: I'm pretty much glad I did. I mean, if that
Speaker 1: thing would have been growning or did anything like that,
Speaker 1: I can only think back. I don't know, well, I
Speaker 1: gotta gen ride up what I would have done. It
Speaker 1: would have what's some fear in me and to see
Speaker 1: something that you don't know what it is, and I
Speaker 1: couldn't figure it out because like I said, it had
Speaker 1: its head down and I couldn't really make out that
Speaker 1: snock until Zero help had his head down, and I'm like, oh,
Speaker 1: my goodness, that's what I saw.
Speaker 2: Well, like I said, I can only imagine what must
Speaker 2: have been going through your mind at the time, and
Speaker 2: understandably so. Now you said that depended zeros right from
Speaker 2: the start. But was there somehow, some way that you
Speaker 2: got to beat on how long it's serious might have been?
Speaker 1: It is. I would put them as long long as
Speaker 1: my hands, because when I looked up I saw them
Speaker 1: going back. I would put this ear at about seven
Speaker 1: inches seven to eight inches.
Speaker 2: Well that's pretty long. That's pretty close to as long
Speaker 2: as a mule.
Speaker 1: It was pretty long when I see him, and the
Speaker 1: way they went back, I'm like, okay, look, could have
Speaker 1: been like two horns. I wasn't thinking about horns then
Speaker 1: on I think I seen was a brown ere coolor
Speaker 1: zeros go back. But they were more pointed than Zero's ears.
Speaker 2: That's just amazing, it really is. Did this ear seem
Speaker 2: to be on the sides of its head or more
Speaker 2: on top?
Speaker 1: It was more on top of his head, more on
Speaker 1: the top, further up than zeros would be basically proper
Speaker 1: above his eyes. If you take it and take both.
Speaker 1: His eyes would pretty wide apart and go up those
Speaker 1: ears nearly level with his eyes.
Speaker 2: So pretty much the same positioning as a German shepherd.
Speaker 2: Then yes, okay, well, I see that's kind of what
Speaker 2: I expected. Did it have its mouth open or closed
Speaker 2: at the time?
Speaker 1: If mouth stayed closed the entire time, never open, his
Speaker 1: mouth never showed any teeth or nothing. Yes, stood there
Speaker 1: looking at me frozen.
Speaker 2: So if he kept his mouth closed the whole time
Speaker 2: and it never showed its teeth. With a lot of
Speaker 2: dog men, even though their mouths are closed, you can
Speaker 2: still see their canines protruding, it sounds like you never
Speaker 2: saw anything like that.
Speaker 1: No, maybe they would have been protruded. But like I say,
Speaker 1: its head was down, and it had it down like this,
Speaker 1: all I could see was the black tip of its
Speaker 1: nose at the bottom of the window and his nose
Speaker 1: going leading them up into his eyes, And I like,
Speaker 1: maybe if it had his nose out straight out, maybe
Speaker 1: she may have been protruding out Kate and I might
Speaker 1: have been sticking out. But like I said, it was
Speaker 1: face to face and I was looking at it face
Speaker 1: down and never see any teeth. Glad, I didn't.
Speaker 2: Oh, I bet you are glad. I'm glad you didn't
Speaker 2: see any either. That wouldn't have been good at all.
Speaker 2: When it held its head down in a posture where
Speaker 2: it was almost looking through its eyebrows at you. I
Speaker 2: don't know if a dog men his eyebrows or not.
Speaker 2: I guess they don't. But anyway, had that head down posture.
Speaker 2: Did you get the impression that did that, because if
Speaker 2: it would have had its muzzle up pointing straight at you,
Speaker 2: that it would have had a hard time keeping both
Speaker 2: eyes on you. Or do you think it kept his
Speaker 2: head down so it was less intimidating to this little boy.
Speaker 1: No, I guarantee you kept his head down because of
Speaker 1: the snout that I know now was too long for
Speaker 1: it to be that close. So it had to put
Speaker 1: it snap down because, like I said, it was a
Speaker 1: very small one and pretty much if it snout was up,
Speaker 1: it would have been sitting back. It would have been
Speaker 1: back a lot further from that window. So so his
Speaker 1: hand is snapped down, it's closer with his eyes.
Speaker 2: Oh that's right. Yeah, So if it's eighteen inches away
Speaker 2: from you, that makes sense. Then its forehead was probably
Speaker 2: nine inches from the glass, and your face was probably
Speaker 2: nine inches so that does make sense. If it had
Speaker 2: its head up, it couldn't have been that close.
Speaker 1: Nope. Wow, And that's what tricked me. That's what tricked me.
Speaker 1: I didn't at first. I didn't recognize the snout until,
Speaker 1: like I said, when Zero didn't, and it took me
Speaker 1: back to that night, just as if I was there,
Speaker 1: and I'm like, okay, and I remember the snout down,
Speaker 1: seeing the tip of the black nose, perfect example.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I'd say it must have been. Before I go
Speaker 2: any further with the questioning, I want to post a
Speaker 2: picture of your main man here, Zero, so I want
Speaker 2: to see him there.
Speaker 1: He is. How old is he that? He's two years old?
Speaker 3: Now?
Speaker 2: Yeah, he's adorable, he really is.
Speaker 1: And that's exactly how that thing had his head down
Speaker 1: like that, and I was looking at it.
Speaker 2: I can only imagine the thoughts going through her head.
Speaker 2: But I can't say that enough. I said that a
Speaker 2: couple of times, and I just can't say it enough.
Speaker 2: I can't only imagine what that must have been like.
Speaker 1: Man, I gotta say I got that thing now that
Speaker 1: when I say it's trunk down and I got him,
Speaker 1: That's what I that would always tell myself if you
Speaker 1: shrunk down and came back to me.
Speaker 2: That is amazing. So the same proportions everything, the length
Speaker 2: of its ears to the size of its head, everything
Speaker 2: was the same, pretty.
Speaker 1: Much, pretty much the same. It just giganic. Just takes
Speaker 1: zero head and sharp nose hills a little bit, put
Speaker 1: them a little closer inward, and make his head the
Speaker 1: side of a probably a basketball with a football sticking
Speaker 1: out of it. And you got that thing.
Speaker 2: So the same eye color, same nose color, everything.
Speaker 1: Ye had the black nose like it was a little
Speaker 1: bit dark and you see a little brownish song I
Speaker 1: guess on zero note. But his nose was solid black
Speaker 1: and nose scratches of anything had that. And fir was beautiful.
Speaker 1: It was nice. Peanut butter cardboard colored was not. It
Speaker 1: just just seemed like it was groomed. And that's what
Speaker 1: got me. I'm looking at something up there, and that's
Speaker 1: the reason I wasn't scared, because it didn't look shaggy,
Speaker 1: raggedy or it beat up with muddy and nothing like that.
Speaker 1: It just like it was a well groomed Maybe the
Speaker 1: body wasn't, but I didn't see that wish I would have,
Speaker 1: but I didn't see the body.
Speaker 2: That's one of the strange, many strange things about these guys.
Speaker 2: So many incredible eyewitnesses, such as yourself, they report that
Speaker 2: just left the groomers look to them where they're first perfect.
Speaker 2: Others see nasty ones, that kind of mangey, but a
Speaker 2: lot of them report that that the dog men they
Speaker 2: saw were just clean. It really makes you wonder how
Speaker 2: that could be. But even though we wonder how that
Speaker 2: can possibly be, it seems like that's a pretty common thing.
Speaker 2: So it is what it is. Yeah, it is. Now
Speaker 2: this might seem like a strange question, but you were
Speaker 2: so close to its face. You're the perfect person to
Speaker 2: ask at any time. Did you ever notice if it
Speaker 2: had any whiskers or not.
Speaker 1: I didn't see any. Quis good if it did. I mean,
Speaker 1: like I say, once I looked up and seen the
Speaker 1: blacken up his nose, and his ears went back, and
Speaker 1: my eye automatically went back to its eyes, and from
Speaker 1: that moment on we locked eyes. I see. I mean
Speaker 1: I could see my peripheral vision the face and all that,
Speaker 1: but the eyes were the most important thing I was looking.
Speaker 1: I was just looking at his eyes, and it was
Speaker 1: looking at me. It never took his eyes off me.
Speaker 1: I think I took my eyes off for in a
Speaker 1: couple of times. See was anybody else waking up? And
Speaker 1: looked over at that clock and shifted my eyes slowly back,
Speaker 1: still looking at me. Didn't moved a muscle, nothing moved.
Speaker 1: Maybe it fighting me in moved. I didn't know, because,
Speaker 1: like I said, I didn't see it. But his head
Speaker 1: never moved. Its hands never moved again, and they were
Speaker 1: hands like zero, but longer, a lot longer.
Speaker 2: You can say a lot of things about that dog, men,
Speaker 2: but one thing you can't say is that he was
Speaker 2: some comfortable with eye contact. Have you kept eye contact
Speaker 2: with you the whole time, all forty five minutes? That
Speaker 2: says it all?
Speaker 1: Right there?
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, yeah, it really does. Now you've got a
Speaker 2: really good look at its hands you just said. Was
Speaker 2: there anything notable though about its fingers that you noticed?
Speaker 1: They were long and bent bent inwards? It had because
Speaker 1: we were scratching. I seen them as it was still scratching.
Speaker 1: The screen was pretty much torn and gone. It's just
Speaker 1: a little window. It couldn't open this little small window,
Speaker 1: and I guess it had tore through the screen. And
Speaker 1: what woke me up is when it started tapping on
Speaker 1: the window. So the way its fingers were, both of
Speaker 1: them were up there and they was bent forward. When
Speaker 1: I looked up and it just frozed both fingers, both
Speaker 1: hands was in the same position, just really long, folded
Speaker 1: over like that, and it frowed just it just froke,
Speaker 1: froze out, and it looked at me. The only other
Speaker 1: movement it made one it went back. That was it
Speaker 1: brown hand that you see, a sharp brown furt like
Speaker 1: it's net here Zero's trying to jump up on the bed,
Speaker 1: but just like he has just stretched out so long.
Speaker 1: And the way that little seal came up on the window,
Speaker 1: I couldn't see if it had. I'm sure it did
Speaker 1: because they tore that screen, but I didn't see that
Speaker 1: any claw or anything.
Speaker 2: I put some thought into whether I was going to
Speaker 2: ask you this or not, and I think I'm just
Speaker 2: going to ask you at anytime after having that experience, James,
Speaker 2: do you ever start to wonder how many times how
Speaker 2: many nights you were laying in bed and I paid
Speaker 2: your visit, but you didn't know about that.
Speaker 1: From that night forward, every time we visited back up then,
Speaker 1: like I say, I always slept over there by that window.
Speaker 1: I made it my business to lay at an angle,
Speaker 1: and I washed that window until I fell asleep. And
Speaker 1: I used to think, even to this day, I think
Speaker 1: how many times that thing washed up in that I know,
Speaker 1: how many time it washed my grandparents, my mother in
Speaker 1: the other room. How many time it's been down there
Speaker 1: by that corn and was just washing up, pushing those
Speaker 1: tires and playing cops and robbers or down there in
Speaker 1: that ditch. I mean, how many time it's been watching
Speaker 1: the mister l who stayed about one hundred yards up
Speaker 1: in my grandfather and it's fun about six hundred yards down.
Speaker 1: How many times it had it been to their house
Speaker 1: as a visited any you know those three houses, I've
Speaker 1: seen it want a little bit further up, but it
Speaker 1: just shocking to say, okay, we've been down here at night.
Speaker 1: I used to be outside by myself at night, just
Speaker 1: sitting on the hood of my mama car looking at
Speaker 1: the dogs. How many time would I think behind the
Speaker 1: shed looking at me, could have been opening that ditch
Speaker 1: looking at me. It didn't know, but it put me
Speaker 1: on the alert.
Speaker 2: Ill bet it did. Back to the hands there, James,
Speaker 2: when it comes to the joints of its fingers. It's
Speaker 2: been a long time so you probably don't remember this,
Speaker 2: but did you buy chance notice anything about it joints
Speaker 2: that seemed a little off that you can remember.
Speaker 1: It's joints. It was like almost like three joints were
Speaker 1: to the hand, like it could bend it. Well. We
Speaker 1: got on our fingers about an inch the little slot
Speaker 1: in the middle of it, and it was so long.
Speaker 1: It just looked like just stretching the dogs all out
Speaker 1: and almost like it's formed a hand, like it just
Speaker 1: a dog paul so big that I don't know of
Speaker 1: the actual hands, but they reassemble basically my hands, just
Speaker 1: one hundred times long with color. I'm about to saying
Speaker 1: close zero and its paws just stretch them out and
Speaker 1: I could see they was just long and bent over
Speaker 1: like it was almost a fist, about half a fist.
Speaker 1: It was just like this right here, but three times
Speaker 1: longer than mine.
Speaker 2: Yeah, they do have big hands. I don't know if
Speaker 2: you knew this or not, but the really big ones
Speaker 2: twelve footer. It can have hens as big as a
Speaker 2: trash can lead.
Speaker 1: Oh man, they were big.
Speaker 2: Yeah, all no doubt. They get really big yeah, that's
Speaker 2: big enough to reach around your waist almost to pick
Speaker 2: you up. Yes, yeah, that's too big. Right there after
Speaker 2: the fact, you and your brother thought about the possibility,
Speaker 2: But did you think about how easily that dogged man
Speaker 2: could have come into your house broken into your house
Speaker 2: before you fell back to sleep that night.
Speaker 1: The only thing I was thinking about as I laid back,
Speaker 1: like I said, it was an outhouse back there, and
Speaker 1: my grandmother and my mom they wouldn't go out there.
Speaker 1: They had a pan or that they were even lead themselves.
Speaker 1: But my grandfather and me and my older brother, we'd
Speaker 1: take our younger brother that they need to go use
Speaker 1: the our house, and we go out of ourselves solo.
Speaker 1: Me and my older brother called like I said, we
Speaker 1: didn't was scaling nothing. But at that time, I was like,
Speaker 1: I hope I don't hear that back go open, because
Speaker 1: I know if either my granddad's going out or I
Speaker 1: could tell if my brother's going oucause he was the
Speaker 1: end of the bed, that it would have had to
Speaker 1: be my granddad. And I would have jumped up then
Speaker 1: and said, okay, don't don't go out. There's something out there.
Speaker 1: And I was just hoping that none of my siblings
Speaker 1: woke up, especially the younger one that called, it would
Speaker 1: have been a panic. They'd have seen that thing. And
Speaker 1: I know, especially the youngest one, if you set up
Speaker 1: one of other name with my sister, he would have
Speaker 1: went to screaming and what's that thing? Any wonder? And
Speaker 1: I don't know what would have happened.
Speaker 2: Thankingnes that didn't happen, although that dog man really does
Speaker 2: seem like it was one heck of a cool, calm,
Speaker 2: customary dog man. So even if they would have woke
Speaker 2: up and started screaming, I don't think it would have
Speaker 2: done anything dangerous like that. But then again, I can't
Speaker 2: think for these things. All I can do is guess.
Speaker 2: That's all I can do. Now we've already established the
Speaker 2: fact that you two remained locked face to face for
Speaker 2: about forty five minutes. But as far as you locking
Speaker 2: eyes with it and staying locked with it that long,
Speaker 2: was that because you weren't afraid of breaking the window
Speaker 2: and grabbing you or was it for another reason?
Speaker 1: Well, I wasn't afraid to cause, like I say, the
Speaker 1: side of that window it probably could have been big,
Speaker 1: as it would probably could have knocked that in time
Speaker 1: side that being a little walls of the house. But
Speaker 1: at that time, being so young and not really knowing
Speaker 1: what it was, the side of that window. If it
Speaker 1: would have broke that window, the only thing he could
Speaker 1: have put it. Couldn't even put his head in there.
Speaker 1: It would have been able to just put his arms
Speaker 1: in there. One of his arm probably could have came
Speaker 1: in there, but as far as it would have went,
Speaker 1: and I would have just scurried on over to the
Speaker 1: other side of the bed. And like I say, I
Speaker 1: knew I seen it in the window, and I knew
Speaker 1: it couldn't get in that window to me at that
Speaker 1: time because of the smallness of that window. It could
Speaker 1: have easily got in one of those back doors. But
Speaker 1: like I say, it didn't seem to me like it
Speaker 1: went anywhere near the fact because it was still in
Speaker 1: the window. And like we had two loaded shotguns on
Speaker 1: the end of the bed down there, and I could
Speaker 1: have got to them shotguns far before UD have got
Speaker 1: to that. Well, I don't know how fast I heard
Speaker 1: it really fast, but as far as it getting in
Speaker 1: that back door, I'm pretty sure me and my brother
Speaker 1: had those shotguns in our hands before it comes through
Speaker 1: that door. And if it would have buffeted that winder,
Speaker 1: he could have just only stuck his hand in there.
Speaker 1: That's as far as I knew.
Speaker 2: If it would have come to that door. I'm not
Speaker 2: too sure that the guns would have kept you saved
Speaker 2: from it. It's hard to say. Sometimes guns are effective,
Speaker 2: sometimes they aren't. I'm just so glad. I'm tickled pink
Speaker 2: that you never had to find out. Thank goodness, me too.
Speaker 1: I'm glad. Like I say, we, like I said, get
Speaker 1: that young age and they have the boat like a
Speaker 1: shotgun and brother had a revelation twelve gage pump action shotgun.
Speaker 1: And when I say, at that age, and we were
Speaker 1: thinking we were indestructible anywhere, we were like a thing
Speaker 1: because the gun could stop anything. And that's pretty much
Speaker 1: what really kept me from really panicing of being afraid.
Speaker 1: Like I said, I don't fear pretty much nothing but
Speaker 1: a catfish. But I wasn't scared because, like I say,
Speaker 1: it didn't show any aggression at all, and that pretty
Speaker 1: much kept me calm on, like, Okay, this thing is
Speaker 1: looking at me whatever it is, and everything I know,
Speaker 1: I'm wope.
Speaker 2: Well, you deserve a lot of credit, James for holding
Speaker 2: it together. Because very few people could have held it
Speaker 2: together close as well as you did. Most people they'd
Speaker 2: be sucking soup through a straw the rest of their lives.
Speaker 2: But yeah, you had that experience, a really intense experiences,
Speaker 2: not because of how the dog man behaved, but eighteen
Speaker 2: inches or less from that dog man face to face
Speaker 2: with it for forty five minutes, that's still intense, and
Speaker 2: you're still holding it down. So, like I said, you
Speaker 2: deserve a lot of credit for that because you've done something.
Speaker 2: You're doing something that very few people could do.
Speaker 1: Also, my brother, like I think, when he told me,
Speaker 1: like I say, I'm chalking up as a dream. The
Speaker 1: next morning he told me, did you see that thing
Speaker 1: in the window? So evidently it really didn't, you know,
Speaker 1: put too much of fear in him, because, like I said,
Speaker 1: he saw it at some point when he saw it
Speaker 1: before I woke up, Well, he saw it after I
Speaker 1: laid back or when I fell asleep. That we never
Speaker 1: discussed that. I don't know what time he saw it
Speaker 1: or when he saw it, but I know he saw
Speaker 1: it too.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I'd say that's undeniable there Before I go any further.
Speaker 2: If you're in the live chat and have any questions
Speaker 2: you want me to ask James for you, please type
Speaker 2: it in all caps. That way I won't miss it. James,
Speaker 2: I'm so glad your encounter didn't stop you from heading
Speaker 2: back into the woods. But can you do that present
Speaker 2: day and enjoy yourself or are you still looking around
Speaker 2: and almost paranoid about the possibility that another dog man
Speaker 2: might be out there?
Speaker 1: No, I go fishing. I go hunting. I got a
Speaker 1: friend that own a ranch, and we go out to
Speaker 1: his ranch and he got targeting and stuff that that,
Speaker 1: and we go out there and say in our shotguns
Speaker 1: and rifles, and I mean about it's there. I want
Speaker 1: to start getting night time. But I'm looking around. But
Speaker 1: like I say, I'm the type of prayerson I got
Speaker 1: fully full company. I'm saying my weapons, not that I
Speaker 1: would use them. I mean i'd rather, like I say,
Speaker 1: the riffles I got in the shots I got, they
Speaker 1: got infrared and they can also record, and I would
Speaker 1: love to see one try to record it. As far
Speaker 1: as shooting it, note, I'm not I'm not gonna shoot
Speaker 1: one if if that's the last thing I want to do.
Speaker 1: I just want to put one of my knight business
Speaker 1: camp which I can actually take it off the gun
Speaker 1: and use it with my hands. I got several of
Speaker 1: them that I could do that with. But like I say,
Speaker 1: I want to see another I want to see a
Speaker 1: full body. I just don't want to see their hands,
Speaker 1: ears and face. I want to see jif how big.
Speaker 1: I know they get big, and I know people describe
Speaker 1: them seven to twelve foot time. I want to just
Speaker 1: see one fully riding bypassing by eighty miles an hour.
Speaker 1: I keep going, I just want to see one.
Speaker 2: You never know, somebody down the road, you just might
Speaker 2: see another one. If you do have another encounter, though,
Speaker 2: I sure hope it's a good one. It's one that's
Speaker 2: not going to rattle you the way this one did.
Speaker 2: It was pretty I'm not going to say it was benign,
Speaker 2: but that encounter was as benign as a dog me
Speaker 2: encounter could be. A dog mean encounter can be almost
Speaker 2: I mean, you were eighteen inches away from it face
Speaker 2: to face, so that right there is pretty intense. Whether
Speaker 2: it snarled that you were acted aggressive, but still, I mean,
Speaker 2: everything considered, it was a pretty good dog mean encounter.
Speaker 1: That's a good bang. I being at that age student
Speaker 1: high school and like I say, I was just young
Speaker 1: and old that feared nothing. Nothing. I've been in cages
Speaker 1: with bulls and on the back of farcing down in Avery, Georgia,
Speaker 1: and they wasn't broken in or just this was getting
Speaker 1: nothing anywhere. I wanted to go clem trees, hanging out
Speaker 1: bridge and hanging up a side of the usfnmics of
Speaker 1: aircraft carrier CBN sixty eight. And it came into swimming
Speaker 1: with snakes, didn't It didn't catching them. It didn't make
Speaker 1: no different with it. Would I just wasn't skinner man
Speaker 1: saying now, if that thing would have been growling small
Speaker 1: and showing teeth and out of it probably so.
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, that would change everything. Like I said before,
Speaker 2: Thank goodness it wasn't that way with you, because that
Speaker 2: would have definitely changed the complexion of it. It really
Speaker 2: would have. Like I said, everyone, if you have any
Speaker 2: questions you want me to ask James for you, if
Speaker 2: you're in the live chat, please go ahead and type
Speaker 2: it in all caps. That way I won't miss it. James.
Speaker 2: After mister l cited in your scope for you, you
Speaker 2: said that you had a lot of confidence when it
Speaker 2: came to your ability to hit what you're aiming at.
Speaker 2: But if that dog man would have come back around
Speaker 2: that night, the night that you and your brothers saw it,
Speaker 2: and or later on I'm laying in that ditch, how
Speaker 2: sure are you he actually would have shot.
Speaker 4: It, because, like I said, after he sighted that riffling
Speaker 4: in and to this day, I can take my riffle
Speaker 4: and hit targets at one thousand yards.
Speaker 1: So it's I mean, it's easy. I've done it all
Speaker 1: my life, like I said, me and my older brother,
Speaker 1: we started out with pellet guns. We got so good.
Speaker 1: We set the pet six sit matches, little strike matches
Speaker 1: out there, the boxes out there and the matches, and
Speaker 1: then shooting with pellet guns and I come over with shotgun.
Speaker 1: With the spread of the buck shots of bird shots
Speaker 1: coming out, we don't have to really too much aim.
Speaker 1: But I got so good with that thirty dollars sick
Speaker 1: and still I got thirty or six. Now I can
Speaker 1: hear anything. I can hit a candload at five hundred
Speaker 1: yards for that thing with that high power scope. It's
Speaker 1: child's play.
Speaker 2: You're a nail driver.
Speaker 1: Then, oh yeah, I'm one of the best. I consider
Speaker 1: myself one of the best. I want to be the best.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I can understand why. If you can do that,
Speaker 2: you're surgical. You've always been one of those people who
Speaker 2: have had to see it to believe it. James, But
Speaker 2: did your dog be in the encounter have any effect
Speaker 2: on that present day? Are you more open minded or
Speaker 2: are you're still skeptical about things?
Speaker 1: I was skeptical up until that point when until the
Speaker 1: z Road got up on my offer, and because like
Speaker 1: I say, I talked when I said, I used to
Speaker 1: watch your dog man in counters, and I say, you
Speaker 1: know a couple other people and sasquatching counters, and I'm
Speaker 1: chalking up, okay, misidentifications. Somebody putting a suit on and
Speaker 1: their friends over on one side of the road, and
Speaker 1: as soon as a car come by, they run across
Speaker 1: with the suits and then it free and take pictures
Speaker 1: of it and hop on the back of the truck
Speaker 1: and they go home and they go there clan they
Speaker 1: seeing a sasquatch or a dog man. I don't think okay,
Speaker 1: could have been a hologram. That means they something could
Speaker 1: be a hologround projector or something like this right here.
Speaker 1: A lot of people say, man, look like it was
Speaker 1: floating right across the street, and I said, Okay, if
Speaker 1: there could have been a holler round projected or something.
Speaker 1: It's just all kind of wild. Things went through my
Speaker 1: mind to try to rationalize the encounters I was seeing
Speaker 1: on telling me you knew that. I know that I've
Speaker 1: seen a live one, a real breathing, live one. And
Speaker 1: I chalked it up. Like I say, and if people
Speaker 1: making miss identifying a bear stand up against a tree
Speaker 1: scratching it back like they do, maybe they saw that
Speaker 1: maybe a deer was at an awful position. They said
Speaker 1: that how long the dog man was going on four feet?
Speaker 1: I'm thinking, okay, maybe you've seen one dog man with
Speaker 1: his head down and another one was head up and
Speaker 1: standing close to each other, and you misidentify that from
Speaker 1: a distance how long it was? But like I say, now,
Speaker 1: I know those people actually saw those things because I
Speaker 1: saw one.
Speaker 2: Yeah that you did. No denying that.
Speaker 1: Now.
Speaker 2: Some of my witnesses, after having really traumatic encounters with
Speaker 2: dog men, do all they can to wait even thinking
Speaker 2: about them. Others, on the other hand, become obsessed with
Speaker 2: trying to find out all they can. Which group would
Speaker 2: you say that you fit into or fit somewhere between?
Speaker 1: I fit in the group of trying to find out
Speaker 1: every I watch your dog Man in Council every night.
Speaker 1: Every night I watched, so I even go and watch
Speaker 1: one that I've seen before, and I'm listening and I'm
Speaker 1: taking in all the information I'm taking in the area
Speaker 1: they've seen them in, if they showed the time line,
Speaker 1: or whoever they seeing them at, especially like I hear
Speaker 1: I'm here in Texas, Clean Texas, so close around like Austin,
Speaker 1: lampasas Gatesville, and I heard a few people say they've
Speaker 1: seen them in Gatesville because of a bunch of country
Speaker 1: out there in Gatesville. I've even taken my car and
Speaker 1: rode out that with my night vision goggle and just
Speaker 1: park side the road and took that night vision thing.
Speaker 1: It'll go at least eight hundred yards and just in
Speaker 1: the area. It got to me a point. I just
Speaker 1: I get obsessed with seeing a full body. Now I've
Speaker 1: seen this. I've seen some tears and wild hob and
Speaker 1: iyotas stuff like this round here, and I'm like, stand up,
Speaker 1: please don't. I'm telling myself seeing it's kind of your
Speaker 1: please stand up tell us it.
Speaker 2: Huh, yeah, you really caught the bug. That's pretty normal.
Speaker 2: You live your life believing that the world operates one way,
Speaker 2: but some days, some night, more accurately, you find out
Speaker 2: that the world is totally different than you've been told
Speaker 2: it is. It's only natural that you're going to try
Speaker 2: to investigate whatever it was that upsets your your worldview.
Speaker 2: You're going to research that all you can. So, yeah,
Speaker 2: that's what I would expect when it comes to how
Speaker 2: you've responded. There's no surprise when it comes to that
Speaker 2: to me at all. There really isn't. Well, let's get
Speaker 2: to some of the questions from the live chat members.
Speaker 2: The first one up is from Pancha Zorch and Poncha
Speaker 2: wants to know what its arms look like.
Speaker 1: Well, I didn't see any arms, like I say. The
Speaker 1: only thing I saw was his hands, its face, and
Speaker 1: then his ears and the way his hand was like
Speaker 1: he had his hands down, but his arms down, but
Speaker 1: his hands up and hands up fold up like a
Speaker 1: half fist. And that's how I never just I wish
Speaker 1: I would have seen the arms, so I couldn't tell
Speaker 1: you how long they were or were they shaggy? Was
Speaker 1: it sharp fur or long fur? I just seen the hands,
Speaker 1: never seen his arms.
Speaker 2: So it had its hands up and over the window
Speaker 2: sell the left. Yeah, yeah, okay, that makes sense. The
Speaker 2: next one up is from the Wellye Belly and they
Speaker 2: want to know what color was it. He said it
Speaker 2: was peanut butter colored. But they also want to know
Speaker 2: did it seem to be more of a puff than
Speaker 2: an adult?
Speaker 1: To me, it would just be I mean I get
Speaker 1: at that time, well, like I say now, I would
Speaker 1: put it as an a dope, pretty much an adult
Speaker 1: as far as I know from what I've heard how
Speaker 1: people seen, but like a sub adote. I put it
Speaker 1: that way, a sub adope because, like I said, that
Speaker 1: one though, we had to stand up on a tire
Speaker 1: just looking at one and an I was at that
Speaker 1: time five foot five, and I know that time was
Speaker 1: at least three foot till I put that thing over
Speaker 1: eight feet tall. And I don't know if it was.
Speaker 1: It may have been bending over looking at the one
Speaker 1: for an hour, I know, but I know it would
Speaker 1: at least a little bit over eight feet tall.
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's big enough right there. The next question is
Speaker 2: from Scott Lee. Scott wants to know now before I
Speaker 2: ask this question, I'm going to qualify it. His question
Speaker 2: if you listen to James talk about what he experienced,
Speaker 2: you might say, okay, well Jeams already answered that. But
Speaker 2: Scott wants to know. I'll just read this question and
Speaker 2: then I'll finish qualifying it. Scott wants to know did
Speaker 2: it have a terrifying look about it? Or was it
Speaker 2: a beautiful one? Now, even though it wasn't apoplectic, it
Speaker 2: was just looking at James through the window without showing
Speaker 2: any expression, it still could have been this one, wasn't
Speaker 2: It still could have been frightening to look at. So
Speaker 2: don't just dismiss his question out of hand as having
Speaker 2: already been answered. But yeah, just understand that even though
Speaker 2: it wasn't acting aggressive towards James, it still could have
Speaker 2: been frightening to look at. But yeah, I just wanted
Speaker 2: to qualify that before I I do share this question
Speaker 2: with you. Anyway, I'm getting ahead of myself. Scott's question
Speaker 2: is did it have a terrifying look about it? Or
Speaker 2: was it a beautiful one?
Speaker 1: To me, it was a beautiful look. Like I say,
Speaker 1: it looked like a giant version of zero. And now
Speaker 1: I guarantee you that my younger sibling woke up heer
Speaker 1: terror it would have scared them half to death. If
Speaker 1: they're seen that the side of his head and you
Speaker 1: know this fingers like the long hand fingers all that,
Speaker 1: it would have gared them to death. Like I say,
Speaker 1: I'm the type of person that I put my confidence
Speaker 1: in those weapons, with the two shotguns we had down there.
Speaker 1: Plus it was my older brother was down there and
Speaker 1: we both could shoot real goods. Were thinking at that
Speaker 1: time those shotguns could stop anything. And that's me And
Speaker 1: it wasn't aggressive look and so it never put any fear.
Speaker 1: It startled me when I first looked up because I'm
Speaker 1: trying to figure out what it was. I had I
Speaker 1: went outside and things may have changed. I may have
Speaker 1: been running back in that house.
Speaker 2: Well yeah, you just might have an understandably so, and
Speaker 2: you just mentioned that you're right there trying to figure
Speaker 2: out what it was. This is the perfect question to
Speaker 2: follow up that statement with cookies and Cream wants to
Speaker 2: know do you think it was a male or a female?
Speaker 1: Dog man? If I had to make a decision, I
Speaker 1: would think it was male because, like I said, it
Speaker 1: had the same and Zero's a male and they had
Speaker 1: the same black characteristic of him. Just what the wideness
Speaker 1: up his head, bigger head. But some female you know
Speaker 1: of animals that they're larger than the male, So it
Speaker 1: could quite possibly have been a female. Like I say,
Speaker 1: I didn't see Chester or anything. I just, like I said,
Speaker 1: from the head ears and half that's it. So it
Speaker 1: could have went both ways. It could have been male
Speaker 1: or female. I just don't know.
Speaker 2: Yeah, you're just doing the best you could to hold
Speaker 2: it together and try to gather as much info as
Speaker 2: you could. Like I said, I think you deserve a
Speaker 2: lot of credit for the way you handle that. You
Speaker 2: really do. Most people wouldn't have done really as well.
Speaker 2: This next question is from Wandering Bull three six nine,
Speaker 2: and he wants to know how old were you. I
Speaker 2: think you must have missed episode five ninety seven.
Speaker 1: I was young. I was around between fifteen to fifteen,
Speaker 1: sixteen years old, fourteen, fifteen to seventeen, I would put
Speaker 1: it fourteen to seventeen years I know, I was still
Speaker 1: in high school. And like I said, the running around
Speaker 1: those pellet guns shot gun, they eventually thirty or six,
Speaker 1: I didn't have sense enough to have fear. I put
Speaker 1: it that way.
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's how most of us were back then at
Speaker 2: that age, so can't faultunate for that. It looks like
Speaker 2: I must have missed episode five ninety seven, because she
Speaker 2: wants to know, James, did you say you're afraid of catfish? Why? So?
Speaker 5: My brother called a catfish at that pond behind my
Speaker 5: granddad's house, and he had my granddad's old still relling
Speaker 5: raw and very large catfish.
Speaker 1: And as he pulled them up on that bank, the
Speaker 1: bank was like a slope, and that line broke and
Speaker 1: that fish was flopping around trying to get back into
Speaker 1: that water, and me, being an idiot, ran down there
Speaker 1: and grabbed that fish with both my hands on the
Speaker 1: side of his head, with those two whatever twenty things
Speaker 1: on his side, and it must have stuck them both up,
Speaker 1: and it made me turn it loose. And from that
Speaker 1: day forward and to this day here, I will not
Speaker 1: pick up a catfish for nothing.
Speaker 2: Yeah it hurts, doesn't it?
Speaker 1: Oh?
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, I'll get your motor running. It looks like
Speaker 2: the next question is from Lucky number six and he
Speaker 2: wants to know where. She wants to know did James
Speaker 2: see any here or fur or paw Prince left behind the.
Speaker 1: Next day nothing. Only thing that was noticeable was the
Speaker 1: torn screen. We know for a fact that screen wasn't torn. So,
Speaker 1: like I said, was that previous day we pre say
Speaker 1: hide and go seeking to get up there and looking
Speaker 1: at our grandma would have killed us, My grandad would
Speaker 1: have killed us. They would have told that screen and
Speaker 1: the grass around the house. The house was sitting up
Speaker 1: on bricks, old house and up home bricks or stone, bricks, whatever,
Speaker 1: and couldn't see anything. And at that time I wasn't
Speaker 1: thinking to go look at that field because the field
Speaker 1: was plow up, but it had no plants there, and
Speaker 1: it probably was footprints out there, but we weren't even
Speaker 1: thinking about that, about looking for footprint. I wish I
Speaker 1: would have, but we weren't even thinking about looking for footprints.
Speaker 2: Well, it's totally understandable, it really is. It's not until
Speaker 2: recent times when the idea of trying to collect evidence
Speaker 2: is really in the forefront of most people's minds when
Speaker 2: it comes to an experience like that, so totally understandable.
Speaker 2: It looks like the next question is from Wandering Bull
Speaker 2: and Wandering Bull wants to know James, at any point
Speaker 2: did you think to take a picture of the dog men?
Speaker 1: I had nothing at that time. To take a picture
Speaker 1: with it. Nothing, no back they have no cell phones
Speaker 1: back then with us. If they were, we didn't know
Speaker 1: about them. And the camera was an old polar rob
Speaker 1: that I could shoot the picture out, but we didn't
Speaker 1: have anything like that. I say, I wished I would have.
Speaker 1: I definitely would have toruk a picture of it. But
Speaker 1: like I said, probably even if I had a camp
Speaker 1: I would have been thinking about that camera. I was
Speaker 1: just been looking at that thing. And that's what I
Speaker 1: say about a lot of people think they got their
Speaker 1: cell phones and they see the thing, that's first thing
Speaker 1: they think people are going to do if grab their phone.
Speaker 1: Know that that half the people are being shocked. They
Speaker 1: are not thinking about their cell phone. They're thinking about living.
Speaker 2: You're right, You're right. I heard somebody on a podcast
Speaker 2: mentioned if we put you in a cage at the
Speaker 2: zoo with a lion, how many pictures are you going
Speaker 2: to get to that line? That's a great point.
Speaker 1: Zero, that's right.
Speaker 2: I apologize if we've got that interference. Again, like I
Speaker 2: said on an earlier episode, someone in the area where
Speaker 2: the studio is has got an ungrounded antenna and that's
Speaker 2: what causes that sound. So again I apologize. Hopefully they'll
Speaker 2: stop it. But the next question for you is from
Speaker 2: Kelly in I think she missed episode five ninety seven
Speaker 2: as well. Kelly wants to know where did this happen?
Speaker 2: What part of the country.
Speaker 1: It's Georgia and it's Old Country or Bianna, Georgia or Vienna.
Speaker 1: I pronounced that Vianna. It was in Vienna, Georgia. It
Speaker 1: was out from the town out in the country. Weighed
Speaker 1: about five miles from town, out in the country, about
Speaker 1: three miles away from Interstate seventy five that runs straight
Speaker 1: through Cordia, Vianna, Dooley County all up Atlanta. It was
Speaker 1: out in the country, got them with woods and fields.
Speaker 2: Yeah, perfect area for a dog man to be. The
Speaker 2: next question for you is from Michigan meat eater, and
Speaker 2: he wants to know have you had any other experiences
Speaker 2: after this?
Speaker 1: No, and at that time I wish I did. Like
Speaker 1: I said, after that, we've been down there one hundred
Speaker 1: more times. Out said that I watched that wonder, never
Speaker 1: seen anything about that. Didn't go outside and in the daytime,
Speaker 1: I whatever. When I mentioned my dad brought to thirty
Speaker 1: hour stix with the scope on it. I used to
Speaker 1: stand up on a big iron pot in the back
Speaker 1: of my granddad out and just scan that tree line
Speaker 1: where the pond was, hoping that I would see it.
Speaker 1: Need come to drink some water or just walk out
Speaker 1: or either stand there looking at me. I just I
Speaker 1: just never sing it again. I want thing I heard
Speaker 1: anything close about that is when my brother theyvenge had
Speaker 1: a girlfriend, ain't Darthy when they said something ran out
Speaker 1: in front of their car in front of Georgia Civik.
Speaker 2: Yeah, you handled it exactly how people would almost anyone
Speaker 2: would handle a situation like that. So, yeah, that was
Speaker 2: textbook how you handled that. The next question is from KL,
Speaker 2: and KL wants to know did you say that from
Speaker 2: Georgia that's my home state. Yeah, you just answered that,
Speaker 2: so we can move on to the next one, which
Speaker 2: is from to be or not to be? They wanted
Speaker 2: to know did you feel like it was intelligent?
Speaker 1: Yes? I can tear from the eye that it was intelligence,
Speaker 1: that those are I could look into his eye, same
Speaker 1: with with Zero, like I say that same look in
Speaker 1: his eyes, and I know Zero's intelligent. I've seen Zero
Speaker 1: take a council in his mouth and get something from
Speaker 1: on the table. I watched him do that.
Speaker 2: That is smart. Yeah, really smart little guy. This next
Speaker 2: one is from Spicy Housewife and she wants to know
Speaker 2: has your family been informed about your encounter and if yes,
Speaker 2: what was the reaction.
Speaker 1: No, I've never told anyone my family. The only one
Speaker 1: I know about there was me and my older brother
Speaker 1: because at that time, we didn't want to scare you know,
Speaker 1: the younger siblings or the older one. My grandmother, my grandfather.
Speaker 1: My mother thought we were probably was crazy, and we
Speaker 1: never did tell anybody, And they didn't tell him one thing.
Speaker 1: Because there's been times when my mother actually went down
Speaker 1: there by herself and we stayed home, me and my
Speaker 1: older brother to the younger of us right there, and
Speaker 1: we wanted to tell them, but like I said, I brother,
Speaker 1: that thing probably long gone. So we never got because,
Speaker 1: like I said, under the time after that we were dying.
Speaker 1: There nothing nothing even remotely close to it, anything coming
Speaker 1: to that woman except for the little small are light
Speaker 1: from the light that was oldbody shed. You never told
Speaker 1: about mother or my grandmother, anybody. That only pace people
Speaker 1: I ever told what the people I worked with.
Speaker 2: It really was a different time back then. People are
Speaker 2: so much more open to things like this now than
Speaker 2: they were back then. It's totally understandable why you didn't
Speaker 2: share it. I get it. The next question is from
Speaker 2: Christina easter Day, and she wants to know did all
Speaker 2: your dogs react at all when this dog man was
Speaker 2: at your window for forty five minutes?
Speaker 1: No, my dogs, they were in about twenty miles away.
Speaker 1: There was an airby charge at my grandmother's house on
Speaker 1: my father's side. That's why I got was I never
Speaker 1: had a dog down to my grandfather's house. And my
Speaker 1: granddad had two black Labrador Retrievers and that was at
Speaker 1: that time I was probably about twelve or thirteen years old,
Speaker 1: And to this day, I don't know what happened to
Speaker 1: those dogs. Only thing I know he had two levelod
Speaker 1: we used to play with and after that they were gone.
Speaker 1: And I actually I never had an owner doult that
Speaker 1: I took down there to my grandfather's house and Bana
Speaker 1: George that was my mother's mama and father. But I
Speaker 1: never had a dog down there.
Speaker 2: It does make you wonder how they would have responded.
Speaker 2: This next one is from Christina Ysterday also and you
Speaker 2: touched on this already. She wants to know what color
Speaker 2: worthy eyes sin color is zero. I guess a darker
Speaker 2: brown in the dark brown or black. I think you said,
Speaker 2: didn't you Yep, okay. And then she also wants to
Speaker 2: know if it smiled at you, and you said that
Speaker 2: it kept its mouth closed the whole time.
Speaker 1: Yeah, kept no smile, no grimace, no bearing his teeth,
Speaker 1: no lips going back like zero do sometime when I
Speaker 1: accovate him. But nothing. It just it was like it
Speaker 1: was a somebody just put a picture of it there.
Speaker 1: It was just that still. I know it was living
Speaker 1: if I can look at it out. The only thing
Speaker 1: moved with his eye when I laid back down, his
Speaker 1: eye would just following minutes, three things moved, eyes, those hands,
Speaker 1: and it was when it went back. That's the only
Speaker 1: thing that moved on that.
Speaker 2: Thing, other than being there at your bedroom window in
Speaker 2: the middle of the night to handle itself about as
Speaker 2: well as could be expected or hoped, so thank goodness
Speaker 2: for that. Steven truth seeker wants to know if there
Speaker 2: was a smell.
Speaker 1: No, there was no smell, like I said, was I
Speaker 1: was inside it was on the outside that no smell
Speaker 1: whatsoever I could think of. No smell.
Speaker 2: That answer is that Christine yesterday also wants to know
Speaker 2: if it had tufts on the tops of its ears.
Speaker 1: I did. If it did, I didn't see it because
Speaker 1: I didn't have time to actually focus in on his ears,
Speaker 1: because as soon as I set up, its hands stopped,
Speaker 1: and when his ears went back, that's when I looked
Speaker 1: up and I called him going back. So I didn't
Speaker 1: see that that that the tip of them that didn't
Speaker 1: didn't have I just know they was just long and
Speaker 1: pointed from the its head on up and its ears
Speaker 1: went back before I can actually see the tip of
Speaker 1: they just folded back and they never came back up.
Speaker 2: It's no chance to tell for that tufts. That's understandable.
Speaker 2: It looks like no more. Fundland wants to know. Do
Speaker 2: you have a history of any pure normal encounters other
Speaker 2: than the dog man.
Speaker 1: No, that's about the only thing other than this gigantic snake.
Speaker 1: I saw. We well, we all saw that going across
Speaker 1: that that dirt road stretched from one end that dirt
Speaker 1: road all the way across the other.
Speaker 2: Yes, that was fun, that rattlesnake. That was one heck
Speaker 2: of a specimen. If there ever was such a thing
Speaker 2: as a boon and crocket rattlesnake. That's definitely one that
Speaker 2: was it. That's a big one. This next one is
Speaker 2: from Currie Hellier, and Carrie wants to know, sorry if
Speaker 2: this has already been covered James, but did the eye
Speaker 2: seem to have an illumination of their own rather than
Speaker 2: just reflected eye shine?
Speaker 1: No shine whatsoever? Is I the brownish black eyes with
Speaker 1: a little bit of white I can see on both
Speaker 1: corners of it. And that was it. It wasn't no shining,
Speaker 1: no illumination in thathing regular dog black eyes to me.
Speaker 2: Yeah, that helps too. There's no such thing as a
Speaker 2: dog man encounter that's going to give you the warm
Speaker 2: and fuzzies. But this one here that James had except
Speaker 2: for the fact that being so close to the window
Speaker 2: everything besides that it pushes all the buttons for being
Speaker 2: about as team as can be. Thank goodness for that.
Speaker 2: I still wish it wouldn't have come up to your
Speaker 2: window the way it did. But other than that, everything
Speaker 2: else it checks off all the boxes.
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, Like I say, it wasn't no one that
Speaker 1: went aggressive, just like it was just like looking at
Speaker 1: the one like asci in time. Just look, okay, I'll
Speaker 1: see you. You see me. We just look at each other.
Speaker 1: And I guess when y'all fell asleep, maybe just say, okay,
Speaker 1: he's not looking at me anymore. You sleep by. Maybe
Speaker 1: it just walk. Maybe it just say, okay, you better
Speaker 1: I got away from the winder. I don't know.
Speaker 2: All we can do is guess. The next one is
Speaker 2: from Jennifer Christiansen and Jim wants to know did the
Speaker 2: dog man have claws?
Speaker 1: If it did, I didn't see him, like I said,
Speaker 1: I had to have to to to that screen like
Speaker 1: it did. But like I said, the one I looked up,
Speaker 1: his fingers was folded down and it froze, so I
Speaker 1: must have called it and down with motion. When it
Speaker 1: froze up and it froze up, his eyes shifted. The
Speaker 1: minute went back and I looked up in his ears
Speaker 1: right quick, and I looked back down in his eyes,
Speaker 1: and I just stayed locked with his eyes. But I
Speaker 1: see when I first seen his fingers, I can see him,
Speaker 1: you know, I'm looking at his eyes. I can still
Speaker 1: see the image of his fingers down there, but it
Speaker 1: was folded over, so I didn't see it. If it
Speaker 1: had closed or not, I'm pretty sure it did. And
Speaker 1: the way it throw that screen.
Speaker 2: Well, you deserve credit for noticing all that you did.
Speaker 2: Like I said, a lot of people, most people wouldn't
Speaker 2: have noticed what you did, So hats off to you.
Speaker 2: I've got another one for you. This one's from Bang
Speaker 2: Bang and she wants to know, James, did you see
Speaker 2: it tapped on the window?
Speaker 1: It was not I wouldn't call it tapping on the window.
Speaker 1: It was like it was like scratching on it. Cause
Speaker 1: once it got through that screen, that's when it hit
Speaker 1: his fingers start hitting that window. And I looked at it, like, yeah, okay,
Speaker 1: this thing. That's what woke up because I can, I can,
Speaker 1: I can hear like a bunch of and that's what
Speaker 1: woke me up. And it was still going on, and
Speaker 1: so I'm like, okay, I woke up. Or something is
Speaker 1: tapping in that window or something that's tapping in this
Speaker 1: house somewhere. And as I set up and turned my
Speaker 1: head to the window, and wow, I said, what is this?
Speaker 2: Oh I bet you said something worse than that, and understandably,
Speaker 2: so I get it. This next one is from Frost
Speaker 2: m See Dill and they wanted to know when it
Speaker 2: looked in the window, was it concentrating on him or
Speaker 2: was it looking up the inside of the room.
Speaker 1: It concentrated full attention was on me one hundred percent.
Speaker 1: Is I never left me? It stayed focused on me
Speaker 1: in my eyes, like I said, I may. I took
Speaker 1: my eyes glanced away from it twice to see anybody
Speaker 1: getting up, make sure women not trying to go out
Speaker 1: that door, and looking at that old grandfather clock, the
Speaker 1: little dim light. But its eyes never left me. It
Speaker 1: stayed locked on me like like it was just just
Speaker 1: looking at it intrigue.
Speaker 2: You know when you're in the conversation with someone, how
Speaker 2: if you're close enough, you can notice I'm looking left right, left, right,
Speaker 2: left right, looking from one eye to the next and
Speaker 2: back and forth. Did it ever do that with you?
Speaker 2: Or was it just locked in one eye of the
Speaker 2: whole time?
Speaker 1: Locked on? Was it looking at me one eye like
Speaker 1: I say, when I looked at it, I'm my eye
Speaker 1: then moved. When I was sitting up, I'm looking into
Speaker 1: his vibe. It never blinked. Maybe if it did, I
Speaker 1: didn't notice it like it never blinked. I'm just looking
Speaker 1: at it and bating the part of my month. I
Speaker 1: laid back down at that angle and nearly laid on
Speaker 1: top of one of my brothers. And that's the only
Speaker 1: time is I moved boo and it kind of went
Speaker 1: to the it space and the one that went back
Speaker 1: to the right because I was laying I laid back
Speaker 1: and at angles, I went to the looking at the
Speaker 1: then move it out. Just his eyes moved, and at
Speaker 1: that time I could see more fright on its left
Speaker 1: eye than the right one.
Speaker 2: That's called the sclera of the eyeball. You most have
Speaker 2: witnesses they never seeing that. So yeah, you were close,
Speaker 2: up close and personal. The next one for you is
Speaker 2: from to be or not to be? And they want
Speaker 2: to know, do you have any friends who have seen
Speaker 2: the dog man?
Speaker 1: I had one. She comes to subway and that she's
Speaker 1: the one person I told and she called the werewolf
Speaker 1: and she said she's playing the werewolf, said she passed by.
Speaker 1: She was actually she was coming down one and she
Speaker 1: works in Georgetown. She was coming back home down one
Speaker 1: and said she looked over and seeing and I'm like,
Speaker 1: why when I w you, I'm thinking that myself. And
Speaker 1: I told her about how I was gonna do this here.
Speaker 1: She said, well, that's when she told me she did
Speaker 1: I've seen a were wolf. I'm like, okay, it's just
Speaker 1: as a doult man. It's not a were wolf. It
Speaker 1: call them dot man. I ended up telling her to
Speaker 1: the day she would still saying it was a were
Speaker 1: wolf standing up, walking on it's on two legs.
Speaker 2: You know what they say, Misery loves company. Of course
Speaker 2: you weren't rattled by that encounter. You're not miserable about
Speaker 2: that experience and just trying to deal with it, come
Speaker 2: to terms with it. But it still had to be
Speaker 2: a source of comfort knowing that you're not the only
Speaker 2: person in the world to have an encounter with one
Speaker 2: of these things. Now you definitely know that, but back
Speaker 2: then when you spoke with her, you found that out
Speaker 2: pretty shortly after the fact, and thank goodness for that.
Speaker 1: And then the other one that was when, like I said,
Speaker 1: a guy, you're on the supermarket, Rachel supermarket. His name
Speaker 1: was mister Rachel, and I was in there one day
Speaker 1: and he was telling about, you know, he had an't
Speaker 1: kind of with a sash squad night At that time,
Speaker 1: I'm highly skeptic. Go okay, yeah, here we go again.
Speaker 1: Somebody has seen a nine foot eight walking thing on
Speaker 1: the iron leg and I've been in these woods millions
Speaker 1: of times, hunting, fishing, climbing trees that was anything like that,
Speaker 1: And now I know how many times those things like
Speaker 1: that saw me.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's a pretty strange feeling.
Speaker 3: I know.
Speaker 2: It looks like shalam Shaw wants to know. Do you
Speaker 2: think that if you hadn't woken up and saw it,
Speaker 2: that it would have gotten into your home?
Speaker 1: I don't think so, because that as flimsy as that
Speaker 1: house was, if it wanted to come in, it could
Speaker 1: have gotten in. It took either one other doors. Like
Speaker 1: I say, they took the old house back there, and
Speaker 1: it took a nail and took a boy a six
Speaker 1: foot I mean a six inch by two inches a
Speaker 1: little more block of wood and knelt that nail through it,
Speaker 1: knelt it into that wall and then turned its sideways
Speaker 1: and held that door closed. And that was the only
Speaker 1: thing holding that door open. And my mother had trying
Speaker 1: to lock us. My younger brother hit that door thinking
Speaker 1: it was open, and knocked that nail in that piece
Speaker 1: of wood out that door, and that door flew right open.
Speaker 1: That thing could have just it could have come in there.
Speaker 1: With anybody knowing on the sign you would have heard
Speaker 1: or that nail and that piece of wood hitting that floor.
Speaker 1: That's the only sign that would have heard.
Speaker 2: Well, as you know, it didn't have to use that
Speaker 2: door or any window or anything like that to gain entry.
Speaker 2: It could have come through the wall, any of the
Speaker 2: walls in the home to get into the home. But yeah,
Speaker 2: obviously I didn't want to do that. And thank goodness
Speaker 2: for that.
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, me and my older brother probably because I
Speaker 1: guarantee you, if we really wanted to man it took
Speaker 1: us a little while, we probably could have went through
Speaker 1: that wall. It was just that thing.
Speaker 2: Oh, I understand it looks like cookies and cream must
Speaker 2: not have heard episode five and ninety seven either, because
Speaker 2: you addressed that in that episode. But no harm, no foul.
Speaker 2: Everyone's busy. They want to know. So did you see
Speaker 2: it leave or did you go to sleep?
Speaker 1: I fell asleep. I only think I know. I was
Speaker 1: laying back, almost on top of one of my brothers,
Speaker 1: and I was watching it and watching that last glance
Speaker 1: when I looked over and making sure nobody up, making
Speaker 1: sure I wouldn't see if my older brother was sitting up,
Speaker 1: anybody sitting up, I would have gepped my young wealth
Speaker 1: and dead, and that that's when I've seen that. It
Speaker 1: was three o'clock, getting close to three o'clock, and I
Speaker 1: just turned around, well put shifting my eyes back slightly
Speaker 1: and kept looking at looking at looking at it, and
Speaker 1: next saying, I know I'm waking up.
Speaker 2: It does make you want to how long it stayed there.
Speaker 2: But it's a good thing you did just fall asleep,
Speaker 2: because if you didn't, who knows what how much time
Speaker 2: would have gone by with you still there? Locked ey
Speaker 2: die with.
Speaker 1: That, That's right.
Speaker 2: The next one is from Harrison Wargo, and Harrison wants
Speaker 2: to know, apologies if this has been addressed, but what
Speaker 2: was the overall feeling you got from it in the
Speaker 2: moments you had looking into its eyes while it was
Speaker 2: steering at him.
Speaker 1: The very first feeling that came to me when I
Speaker 1: when I first set up it was unbelief. I'm like, okay,
Speaker 1: and then I'm shifted from unbelief. Though what is this?
Speaker 1: I'm trying to figure out what am I looking at?
Speaker 1: What I mean, what's in this one? Is an owl?
Speaker 1: In this one looking at it is some raccoon or
Speaker 1: something like that. I'm going through all the little things
Speaker 1: I've seen down there and those wheels down there, and
Speaker 1: like I said, I couldn't. I could not match it
Speaker 1: up with anything because the weight had his head down
Speaker 1: and it, like I say, that basically tricked me because
Speaker 1: at that time I didn't realize that it's it was
Speaker 1: a snout down going down to zero, got into that
Speaker 1: pasta and it just didn't. The feeling came over, like, Okay,
Speaker 1: I'm curious. I'm trying to figure out what it was.
Speaker 1: It's probably trying to figure out what I am. And
Speaker 1: I'm just looking at it and looking at it, and
Speaker 1: I'm thinking, Okay, I'm looking at an alien from out
Speaker 1: a space or a monster or someun rock there. Because
Speaker 1: like I say, back then, the term dog man never
Speaker 1: would have crossed my mind to turn well wolfed, Yes,
Speaker 1: well wolf crossed my mind. But the one I'm used
Speaker 1: to is just a regular man with a little fur
Speaker 1: on his face, and he had no snot whatsoever, and
Speaker 1: he wasn't as tall as as victims. And well it's
Speaker 1: big fling all that that one we've seen at the theater.
Speaker 1: Nothing that didn't look nothing like that. And so I
Speaker 1: didn't have no kind of this curiosity. I'm trying to
Speaker 1: figure out what it was what am I looking at?
Speaker 1: I'm looking at something that I've never seen before, so
Speaker 1: I couldn't identify it to save my life.
Speaker 2: I'm glad you're able to get some answers. Got one
Speaker 2: more question for you, and this is from Becoming Ama
Speaker 2: Marie and looks like Emia wants to know. Hey, James
Speaker 2: can't remember from the first episode, and I'm just now
Speaker 2: hopping on the live, but did you or your brother
Speaker 2: ever mention your citing to your grandparents and if not, why.
Speaker 1: Because I didn't want to put them out. I really
Speaker 1: didn't want to scare anybody. My mother, my father, they
Speaker 1: probably want to believe me anyway that the first thing
Speaker 1: they probably would have said, yeah, y'all was so bad
Speaker 1: and probably de Ever looking at you in the wather,
Speaker 1: and I guarantee you that's what they would have said,
Speaker 1: and they wanted to believed me. And like I said,
Speaker 1: all the time, me and my brother stayed down there
Speaker 1: soil that time was in the dish trying to find it.
Speaker 1: And I'm looking at that one and all that he
Speaker 1: probably was too, and I'm scanning the horizon down there,
Speaker 1: never seen it again, so I picked it up, and
Speaker 1: that thing is long gone, so nothing to worry about it.
Speaker 1: But I made sure I didn't take the boat out
Speaker 1: the shotgun with me, like we went to my other
Speaker 1: grandparents' house in the airbage gearge I left the shotgun down.
Speaker 1: I loaded, Like I say, buck shots love buck shots.
Speaker 1: So I'm figuring my granddaddy see something like that. He's
Speaker 1: got that shotgun and so it really didn't worry us
Speaker 1: like that. Plus mister l up there with its thirty
Speaker 1: or six and he shoot really good because he basically
Speaker 1: taught me, and I wasn't really worried. I'm figuring that
Speaker 1: if I don't figure if I wasn't scared, and that's
Speaker 1: my grandparent, maybe he would have been scared.
Speaker 2: You know. I said this several times before I said
Speaker 2: one more time. You definitely don't frighten easily. Holy cow.
Speaker 2: I Oh no, I'd say you don't. Well, definitely closing
Speaker 2: comments you want to share with us, James before we
Speaker 2: get out of here.
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, like I said, I'm that one person that, yeah,
Speaker 1: all the skeptics on this planet, I was number one,
Speaker 1: Like I said, I at that time, even after I've
Speaker 1: seen that thing in the window, I knew that was
Speaker 1: things out that you couldn't explain. But like I'm saying,
Speaker 1: for a being of sas squad, I'm that last person
Speaker 1: on earth that would have believed in that. Like I said,
Speaker 1: I had a idea of what things were missed identification.
Speaker 1: I even went as for a projection hologram and stuff
Speaker 1: like that around people's and soups and all the people
Speaker 1: with wouldn't put things making all that, and like I said,
Speaker 1: it took zero and I'm glad it did because it
Speaker 1: put my mind at rest. That was forty a little
Speaker 1: bit over forty years, and all that time, I wonder
Speaker 1: what was it that I've seen? And I am so
Speaker 1: glad that when I some wanted that dog and I
Speaker 1: got him and I was playing with him that day
Speaker 1: and he got up on my arm, that put my
Speaker 1: mind at ease. I was so glad, And like everybody know,
Speaker 1: I know for a fact at least was one. I
Speaker 1: don't know if it's still alive. I don't know if
Speaker 1: it's still out there. I don't know if it went
Speaker 1: away from Jordan. I know for a fact that it
Speaker 1: was at least one of those things. And I'm pretty
Speaker 1: sure everybody's seen these encounters and the different kinds I
Speaker 1: don't know about the different kinds. I know that kind.
Speaker 1: It's the one I saw. It may have been the
Speaker 1: same kind as everybody else seen. Like I said, I
Speaker 1: only seen the face, hands and ears. That's why to
Speaker 1: this day I wish I would have seen his entire body.
Speaker 1: Probably would have scared me half to death then, but
Speaker 1: I still wish I would have seen that entire body.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it probably would have, but it is what it is.
Speaker 2: I mean, you obviously weren't in control of that encounter
Speaker 2: it was. I'm just glad that you saw it and
Speaker 2: it was a good thing. It hasn't ruined your life.
Speaker 2: You can still function and do what you need to do.
Speaker 2: Thank Goodness for that. So I guess all we can
Speaker 2: do is play the glad game on that. And before
Speaker 2: the night, when you had that experience, you never would
Speaker 2: have believed that anything like that could be out there.
Speaker 2: But after you had that experience, now you know there
Speaker 2: definitely are. But having said that, James, I can't thank
Speaker 2: you enough for coming on sharing the details of that
Speaker 2: experience for us and episode five ninety seven number one,
Speaker 2: but for you to come back and answer all these questions.
Speaker 2: Really appreciate that too, So thanks again so much for
Speaker 2: your time.
Speaker 1: Now you're welcome, guinea time.
Speaker 2: It's appreciated well. Having said that, thanks again so much,
Speaker 2: and have a great night, so do you thanks, We'll see.
Speaker 2: Well that's it for another episode. Everyone. If you've had
Speaker 2: a Dogman encounter that you either want to speak with
Speaker 2: me about to get help coming to terms with or
Speaker 2: if you want to be a guest on the show,
Speaker 2: please go to Dogmanencounters dot com submit a report and
Speaker 2: if you do that then I'll be more than happy
Speaker 2: to contact you and schedule a phone consultation with you.
Speaker 2: There's no ever any pressure if you need help coming
Speaker 2: to terms with your experience. Of course, there's never any
Speaker 2: pressure to come on the show as a guest. A
Speaker 2: lot of the eyewitnesses I speak with, I speak with
Speaker 2: and in private you're never going to hear them on
Speaker 2: the show, so please keep that in mind. But having
Speaker 2: said that, thanks again so much for listening everyone. I
Speaker 2: really appreciate it, and of course have a great night.
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