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Speaker 2: Fifty college football.
Speaker 3: This weekend, Michigan defeated Ohio State thirteen to ten to
Speaker 3: improve their winning streak and the rivalry to four games.
Speaker 2: Guys, let's talk about this real quick.
Speaker 4: I show believe that.
Speaker 2: So you so you you've seen this many times before.
Speaker 2: We saw here with the pitchwork being done there in
Speaker 2: the Michigan fiasco after the game. It happened like four
Speaker 2: or five places, a.
Speaker 4: Bunch of places, and they got bad.
Speaker 5: So you have an issue with that. I do which part?
Speaker 5: I I win the game and walk off the field
Speaker 5: for oh, win the game the opponent? Yeah okay, yeah,
Speaker 5: but if you're on the losing side, lose a game
Speaker 5: and walk off, right, it's all it's all stupid on
Speaker 5: both sides of it.
Speaker 2: It's all dumb.
Speaker 5: But you know we've seen it. You know there was
Speaker 5: a fight a lot in the Macovic years. Remember when
Speaker 5: when Macovics in his first year, they went up and
Speaker 5: beat as U up at their place, Uh, Clarence Farmer
Speaker 5: and all those guys went out and ran on the
Speaker 5: on the sparky logo and stopped on it, and the
Speaker 5: big ol'd ball started, and so this is this is
Speaker 5: not anything new, but you know, and then the miss
Speaker 5: the Michigan guy player who was the one who took
Speaker 5: the flag out there and started the whole thing, gets
Speaker 5: on and says, you got to be a better loser,
Speaker 5: like you know what, be.
Speaker 2: A better winner? True.
Speaker 4: True.
Speaker 2: So my thought is is that it's like the court
Speaker 2: storm me. If you don't want it to happen, we
Speaker 2: don't let it happen. Don't win the damn game, and
Speaker 2: you know whatever.
Speaker 5: But I agree with coaches who say we're not going
Speaker 5: to let guys do that. We're going to defend our field.
Speaker 5: And so you know, just so you know what you
Speaker 5: need to do, be civil. Well one time, what world
Speaker 5: do you lose?
Speaker 4: Good luck? And that good luck with that.
Speaker 2: In fact, after the game, when I saw it happening,
Speaker 2: and I made my joke, and usual joke is that's
Speaker 2: the most fight Arizona showed doing the whole game, right
Speaker 2: was after that because it showed some emotion for gud.
Speaker 4: Right right, I hear you, And I'm glad. I wasn't
Speaker 4: there for that.
Speaker 2: But what did you did you stay?
Speaker 6: What did you think?
Speaker 2: What'd you think?
Speaker 3: I'm glad that uh Lamonious Correg came out and stopped
Speaker 3: it before Yeah, yeah, I'm yeah, I'm glad.
Speaker 5: And Arizona guy went out and did that, and the
Speaker 5: other players come over and stuff like that.
Speaker 4: But I didn't see it because.
Speaker 5: Even though you know, I got home and I was
Speaker 5: watching the game, the minute the clock went to zero,
Speaker 5: I changed the chance.
Speaker 2: Yeah, what did you say these What did you say
Speaker 2: when you finished watching it?
Speaker 7: No?
Speaker 4: I just changed the chaln and that was it.
Speaker 5: I mean, I went to I went to the the
Speaker 5: Notre Dame USC game. But everybody needs to kind of
Speaker 5: take a breath and and just be sports about do
Speaker 5: you think that?
Speaker 2: Well, we see in the short course in the court
Speaker 2: stom me. Uh, they find teams down twenty five thousand dollars. Whatever.
Speaker 4: The difference is, Steve. The court storming is the fans.
Speaker 5: It's the fans getting excited and doing things we're talking
Speaker 5: about the players in the games.
Speaker 2: Get off.
Speaker 4: Just win.
Speaker 5: If you don't want to go shake hands because you're
Speaker 5: so pissed off from frustrate whatever, then just get off.
Speaker 5: The few think that the BENC Doubla or whomever, I
Speaker 5: think they're gonna have to make a rule. I mean
Speaker 5: Ohio State and Michigan players got pepper sprayed. Pat Forty,
Speaker 5: who's on the show years ago, he got he got
Speaker 5: pepper sprayed.
Speaker 2: I don't talk about it those podcast No, I don't. Well,
Speaker 2: I don't know what you do.
Speaker 7: Though.
Speaker 5: Let's say you're an eighth year senior and you're the
Speaker 5: guy that goes out and wants to plant the flag.
Speaker 5: What's the n CUAA gonna do to you? Suspend you
Speaker 5: for your next game?
Speaker 2: Right right? Well, look at this. The guy who did
Speaker 2: it year was.
Speaker 8: It's on.
Speaker 4: It's on the coaches. It's on the coaches. Just say, guys, you.
Speaker 5: Know, when we win this game today and we are
Speaker 5: going to win, you know, on you know, on the
Speaker 5: road at the rival, we are going to win today,
Speaker 5: Let's get on. Let's go on the field, shake hands,
Speaker 5: and let's get out of there. Okay, let's not let's
Speaker 5: not do this.
Speaker 2: What world do you live in? Jacinbzali.
Speaker 4: It can happen, Okay, it can happen.
Speaker 2: It happens more often than not. But I mean, you know,
Speaker 2: I mean when it went? When? When?
Speaker 7: When?
Speaker 2: The when?
Speaker 4: The the was it two thousand and two team, I
Speaker 4: think of it?
Speaker 6: No?
Speaker 4: What was it? No, the two.
Speaker 5: Thousand and three team, whatever it was the Macovics team
Speaker 5: did that. I was upset at the Arizona players for
Speaker 5: having done that, like show some class win with class off.
Speaker 2: A couple of years ago, I said that I saw
Speaker 2: thread baby.
Speaker 5: Everybody, no, every ever since then, everybody's been going over
Speaker 5: there and and uh and uh, you know, the team
Speaker 5: goes over and stands by the logo and says, you're
Speaker 5: not coming over here.
Speaker 4: Coaches show them off.
Speaker 5: What pissed me off more than anything was the turd
Speaker 5: who did it. It was a Narzona guy last time,
Speaker 5: and then he goes and does that. That tells me
Speaker 5: that he's a big pos, giant pos.
Speaker 2: Did you see it? Did you remember anything two years
Speaker 2: ago for Arizona one up there and then did the
Speaker 2: flag or whatever. I don't think they did, okay, because
Speaker 2: I saw thread that we were just doing what you
Speaker 2: guys did two years.
Speaker 4: I think they did last year. Yeah, don't think.
Speaker 2: Maybe maybe I don't know, I don't that's your song.
Speaker 5: Maybe they can, but again they just don't do it.
Speaker 5: It's wrong for either side to do that. You know,
Speaker 5: and I'm the believer. You just win the game.
Speaker 2: You win the game, win with class and you know,
Speaker 2: and get off.
Speaker 5: That's what I would demand from my players if I'm
Speaker 5: in the coach and I tell them that. You know,
Speaker 5: when Arizona goes up to ASU next year, Brent Brinnan
Speaker 5: needs a tellis team anybody who does that, you lose
Speaker 5: your nil paycheck or scholarship.
Speaker 4: You know, don't do it. Just don't do it, as
Speaker 4: simple as that.
Speaker 3: On Friday, Georgia defeated Georgia Tech forty four to forty
Speaker 3: two in eight overtimes.
Speaker 2: That was a great game. Did you watch the game?
Speaker 2: It is a great game, great game, and they came
Speaker 2: back out of nowhere and won the game.
Speaker 9: Yeah.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I.
Speaker 5: So much happened again this weekend, you know, with all
Speaker 5: the all these games that affect the playoff, it's going
Speaker 5: to be interesting.
Speaker 3: South Carolina defeated Clemson seventeen to fourteen to keep their
Speaker 3: playoff hopes alive with just three losses, when.
Speaker 2: They're gonna announce everything this Saturday, Sunday, whatever.
Speaker 5: Sunday Sunday, and another ranking will come out tomorrow, but
Speaker 5: then on Sunday the playoff bracket will be announced after,
Speaker 5: you know, because all the championship games are on Saturday,
Speaker 5: so Brack will be announced. Who do you you know, uh,
Speaker 5: you know, there's kind of I was reading Pat Forty's
Speaker 5: column today. There's eleven teams that are pretty much in
Speaker 5: the question is who's the twelfth team? Right? Does the
Speaker 5: Big twelve championship loser get in? Does the ACC championship
Speaker 5: loser get in? You know, you know who gets in?
Speaker 5: Is there another group of five team who deserves to
Speaker 5: be in there? You know, to Lane what it made
Speaker 5: it had an argument for until they got beat.
Speaker 4: It's gonna be it's.
Speaker 5: Kind of like there's not enough teams now. So the
Speaker 5: twelfth team there's gonna be that gets in. There's gonna
Speaker 5: be about six other teams that are gonna go that's crapy, you.
Speaker 2: Know the top twelve off the top of your head.
Speaker 4: Well, okay, so yeah, I mean I can give you
Speaker 4: the eleven.
Speaker 5: Okay, the eleven, the winner of the Big twelve champion
Speaker 5: Big ten championship game, and the Ohio State and Oregon State,
Speaker 5: I mean, uh, Oregon, let me start over, Oregon, penn State,
Speaker 5: Ohio State, Indiana from the four from there, Georgia's in.
Speaker 4: Uh.
Speaker 5: The who are they playing in the in the conference
Speaker 5: championship game? Texas is in and uh.
Speaker 2: Tennessee, Tennessee is in.
Speaker 4: Okay, then wait to go Okay. Then you've got the
Speaker 4: Big twelve champion.
Speaker 5: It's going to be s m U or Iowa State,
Speaker 5: the a SEC champion, it's going to because I mean
Speaker 5: not s U a SU or Iowa State, s m
Speaker 5: U or Clemson, the the nine Notre Dame is ten,
Speaker 5: and then the Boise State you n l V winner,
Speaker 5: you know, winner of the of the Mount West Conference
Speaker 5: is eleven. Then you then after that you've got Alabama,
Speaker 5: South Carolina, Mississippi, the loser of the Big.
Speaker 4: Twelve championship game, the loser.
Speaker 5: Of the a SC championship game, and Miami can all
Speaker 5: say it should be us. That's the one that's gonna
Speaker 5: be hard, and that's the one that's gonna cause a heartburn.
Speaker 5: Not any different than when.
Speaker 2: There were four teams in No, no, no. On the
Speaker 2: fifth team was you're exactly right, because I'm already looking
Speaker 2: at Oh, we gotta move to sixteen teams, you know, to.
Speaker 5: Make sure everybody gets happy.
Speaker 2: Well we do it with seventeen. I think they went
Speaker 2: to sixty eight instead of sixty four. You know, you
Speaker 2: can't to make everybody happy. Shut up, you play, win
Speaker 2: the game, and you win it.
Speaker 5: When the damn game, you know, Alabama says we should
Speaker 5: be in, right, you should want some games.
Speaker 4: The a SEC commissioner came out and said.
Speaker 5: There's no there's no scenario where are the loser of
Speaker 5: our championship game should should be out?
Speaker 4: You know it's a former get Yeah, they're gonna it's
Speaker 4: gonna be interesting.
Speaker 3: NFL Week thirteen This weekend, the Eagles beat the Ravens
Speaker 3: twenty four to nineteen to improve to ten and two
Speaker 3: on the season.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 4: I love Sakuon Barkley.
Speaker 2: Yeah, he's been good.
Speaker 5: He's my fantasy running back. Oh oh, you have him
Speaker 5: screwed and screwed up his car. No, here's still time.
Speaker 5: But what's his name? The tight end for the Saints,
Speaker 5: Taysom Hill. Taysom Hill out out for the year. With
Speaker 5: the Neres. He's my tight end and that was on
Speaker 5: that run, right, I killed him, I think so, Yeah,
Speaker 5: I killed him.
Speaker 3: The Bills defeated the forty nine Ers thirty five to
Speaker 3: ten on Sunday Night Football to also improved to ten
Speaker 3: and two.
Speaker 5: No one wanted to be and Christian McCaffrey and you
Speaker 5: have him too, No, but my sister has him.
Speaker 4: So my sister, my daughter has him. So there's a
Speaker 4: little tie there. She's very upset.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 3: And Monday Night Football tonight at six fifteen, the Browns
Speaker 3: play the Broncos.
Speaker 2: And you have that game.
Speaker 4: That's my last game of our picks. Not going so
Speaker 4: well for me.
Speaker 2: This week started started with started.
Speaker 5: With locking the Lions who didn't cover. I was so
Speaker 5: mad at them stretching the lead a little yeah, a
Speaker 5: little bit. I had the Lions. I had Ohio State.
Speaker 5: I thought Ohio State was gonna come out and revenge.
Speaker 5: We're way better than you. Get the hell out of here.
Speaker 5: We're kicking your ass. And they did end they just didn't.
Speaker 2: Michigan has the momentum.
Speaker 5: I mean I heard I heard an interesting scenario because
Speaker 5: the guy from Notre Dame, the coach, the coach yeah,
Speaker 5: good free. Yeah, Marcus Freeman, he played, he played in
Speaker 5: Ohio State. They're saying Ohio State, Notre Dame, trade corder
Speaker 5: trade coaches and would said Notre Dame.
Speaker 4: Who would be the loser on that one.
Speaker 2: Yeah, he's he's a good story too.
Speaker 4: Yeah, he's a really good story.
Speaker 3: College basketball, the new AP pole came out today. Arizona
Speaker 3: dropped from the rankings. Yukon dropped to number twenty three
Speaker 3: after losing all three games in the Maui Tournament. Kansas
Speaker 3: remains number one.
Speaker 2: It's been a crazy season already. We'll get to basketball
Speaker 2: on the other side of when we talked to Jason Barr,
Speaker 2: but it's been crazy all over the place.
Speaker 5: What about what about Hurley's reaction saying we're never playing
Speaker 5: in a three team in a three team three three
Speaker 5: games and three days a tournament again. Ever, right, No,
Speaker 5: that's a real reaction. It's such a cop out to
Speaker 5: no it Hurly. I mean, yeah, your your your Yukon. Okay,
Speaker 5: you gotta win at least one of those games. Yeah,
Speaker 5: you got beat by some bad teams.
Speaker 2: It was it was Arizona nineteen or twenty seventeen, eighteen,
Speaker 2: whatever was when they went to Bahamas.
Speaker 4: Yeah, when they went to the bottom.
Speaker 2: If I'm a I'm never going back to the b.
Speaker 4: I had.
Speaker 5: I had a friend. I had a friend who was
Speaker 5: there and in the Bahamas. Yeah for that, And they
Speaker 5: were all excited. She was all excited about about you know,
Speaker 5: they and then they won the first game. The jinx
Speaker 5: is over and then the jinx was not over.
Speaker 2: Has that one game moment?
Speaker 5: And I said, how hard is it to play a
Speaker 5: game in a ballroom like that? Yeah, it's like playing
Speaker 5: it at Lat Paloma or something.
Speaker 2: We'll talk more again on the other side. But Tommy
Speaker 2: has some work to do.
Speaker 4: He's got some work to do.
Speaker 2: Yeah, we'll talk more about that.
Speaker 3: Arizona women's basketball will take on in Seattle today at
Speaker 3: six pm at Michale.
Speaker 2: That's another program that's very mysterious, very kind of well.
Speaker 5: You know, I've gotten to work a couple of their
Speaker 5: games on doing stats and stuff. Well this year, no, no,
Speaker 5: just they asked me to fill in a couple of times.
Speaker 5: And I worked the Grambling State game and I worked
Speaker 5: another game earlier in the year. And there I hope
Speaker 5: it is not listening. They're short on talent, really, they
Speaker 5: really are you know they and and then there's there's
Speaker 5: like not really any kind of chemistry, chemistry to it
Speaker 5: when you do you know and and and I get it.
Speaker 5: It's hard to have chemistry when you're turning over your roster.
Speaker 5: But some teams, and to me, that's one of the
Speaker 5: biggest factors in whether it's football, basketball, or wherever, is
Speaker 5: that with all the turnover that pretty much happens at
Speaker 5: all all the programs, the ability to pull players together
Speaker 5: who you haven't known for very long.
Speaker 2: I had, I had some of the other show last week.
Speaker 2: I can't remember who it was that said it's all
Speaker 2: recalibrated every years, every year, and the good coaches can
Speaker 2: do it, the players can adjust. Blah blah blah. But
Speaker 2: it is very mean.
Speaker 4: Okay, look at what Deon Sanders has done in Colorado.
Speaker 5: That's something like fifty six new players, but somehow the
Speaker 5: combination was good enough for them to be good. Same
Speaker 5: thing with Kenny dilling Hammond at As.
Speaker 2: Can I convince you that? Can I convince you? And
Speaker 2: nothing didn't matter to me that Diana is a good coach.
Speaker 5: Because he's a good accumulator of talent. Okay, So that's
Speaker 5: I think what I'm saying no, I'm saying he's got
Speaker 5: he is because you know what he has done. He
Speaker 5: surrounded himself with coaches who have been able to pull
Speaker 5: these guys together from all these different pieces to build
Speaker 5: a good team.
Speaker 2: No, no, no, that's and that's part of being a
Speaker 2: good coach, right.
Speaker 5: And you know it gets me to something I've been
Speaker 5: wanting to say about about about Brent Brannan because you know, somebody,
Speaker 5: a lot of things have been said about him, but
Speaker 5: somebody said to me, he's in over his head.
Speaker 4: And I took that from I don't think he's.
Speaker 5: In over his head from the point of can he
Speaker 5: coach x's and os and things like that he's been
Speaker 5: coaching forever, or I think he may be in over
Speaker 5: his head is maybe he doesn't have the coaching resources
Speaker 5: that say Jed Fish had. When you think about the
Speaker 5: coaches that Jedfish was able to pick from his long
Speaker 5: background in the NFL in college the many years he'd
Speaker 5: been doing it, guy mentors like like Bill Belichick and
Speaker 5: Pete Carroll and and and those guys, and then to
Speaker 5: bring a staff in. Because I don't think Jed Fish
Speaker 5: did all the coaching last year.
Speaker 2: He was the CEO.
Speaker 5: He had guys, maybe Brent Brannan doesn't have that quality
Speaker 5: of coaching of go to people, go to people.
Speaker 4: That maybe these coaches weren't. Maybe they're in a little
Speaker 4: over their heads.
Speaker 2: Well, let me tell you has been on the show
Speaker 2: a number of times and he said that a lot
Speaker 2: of it's, uh, they didn't because I talked about Brendan,
Speaker 2: you know, being the guy, the motivator or whatever, Steve,
Speaker 2: It's not about that. It's the coaches, the assistant coaches.
Speaker 2: That's who the players react, right, because they're the ones
Speaker 2: that are coaching it right.
Speaker 4: See and that and that's my point is that.
Speaker 5: I'll give you that maybe maybe Brent Brandon just didn't
Speaker 5: have the quality well of assistant coaches to choose from
Speaker 5: for his staff.
Speaker 2: That's no more, no that we'll end it here. But Okay,
Speaker 2: so now we know there's going to be changing.
Speaker 4: There has to be.
Speaker 2: There has to be how many we don't know yet.
Speaker 2: But but he's got to get some guys.
Speaker 5: With some chops, right, and it's gonna be interesting to
Speaker 5: see does he let go of old friends and guys
Speaker 5: that he's had with him for a long time and
Speaker 5: he has to he has to evaluate them and say, Okay,
Speaker 5: you didn't do a great job this year.
Speaker 4: I got to let you go. And how hard is
Speaker 4: that going to be for him?
Speaker 2: He has to, but he has to.
Speaker 5: This is this is I think I think Desray read
Speaker 5: Frans fine. Her statement said there will be change. Yeah,
Speaker 5: you know, is she going to have to okay all
Speaker 5: his coaching hires probably things like that.
Speaker 2: I don't know, Steve.
Speaker 5: Yeah, didn't initial release, did they? They just in the
Speaker 5: story for this No, just just what the statement that
Speaker 5: she made to to Michael Levy. You know, it'd be
Speaker 5: interesting to say.
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Speaker 2: Hey, welcome back to I the Ball here a Fox
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Speaker 2: is Jacon's Austin. Now on the phone, we have Jason Barr,
Speaker 2: sports anchor for Channel nine. Jason. How are you.
Speaker 6: Good, Stephen, Jay, how are you?
Speaker 2: We're doing fine? Thank you. Let me set this up,
Speaker 2: Jason Barr, what did you tell Jay and I maybe
Speaker 2: a few months ago? I know you reminded me on Saturday.
Speaker 6: No it wasn't listen, I'm not going to get here today.
Speaker 7: And get on with you guys and pound on.
Speaker 2: No, no, no, no, no, What did you say, you say
Speaker 2: you you had some reservations.
Speaker 6: I think, baby, yeah, yeah, you know how based on
Speaker 6: his record and and some other things at San Jose State.
Speaker 6: And I think what I said to you guys before
Speaker 6: the season was was this staff had something to prove. Yeah,
Speaker 6: you know, based on his thirty four and forty eight
Speaker 6: record at San Jose State. And you know, Babers ran
Speaker 6: a clean program at Syracuse and graduated a ton of kids,
Speaker 6: but it was let go for not winning enough games.
Speaker 6: So I said, this staff kind of had something to prove,
Speaker 6: and they just never passed the eye test.
Speaker 2: Ever.
Speaker 6: You know, even in Week one against New Mexico that
Speaker 6: was not really.
Speaker 7: A team win.
Speaker 6: The defense was not good and that was two guys
Speaker 6: Nova Feita and teder Rowland macmillan playing pitch and catch.
Speaker 6: And then in week two they looked awful against nau Yes,
Speaker 6: and it was like, oh goodness. So there were problems
Speaker 6: before the injuries, Yeah, neither were.
Speaker 5: Yeah, it looks scary after that first game, Jason, you're
Speaker 5: at you one hundred percent correct, And what we saw
Speaker 5: in that first game turned out to be the story
Speaker 5: of the season.
Speaker 2: And the second game, as you brought up, I remember
Speaker 2: and I said this after the show. I was a fan.
Speaker 2: I went as a person to watch against an a
Speaker 2: U and I was coming out and some of the
Speaker 2: fans goes, oh, this is going to be a difficult year,
Speaker 2: and I'm thinking, relaxed. It was just no, they were right,
Speaker 2: So were you, Jason?
Speaker 6: Yeah yeah, So so he's being brought back, you know,
Speaker 6: next year. And I think what we're going to see
Speaker 6: as a new offensive coordinator, I'd be surprised if he
Speaker 6: isn't forced even.
Speaker 2: To bring one in. And what I want to see here.
Speaker 6: Is a really good offensive coordinator who is not one
Speaker 6: of his buddies. This cannot be crony higher from the
Speaker 6: Dick Tomy days or from San Jose State. This has
Speaker 6: to be someone who has gone somewhere else done well,
Speaker 6: maybe even a lower level wherever, who can be the
Speaker 6: offensive coordator here and who can come here and say no,
Speaker 6: this needs to change and not accept any mediocrity that
Speaker 6: has been here in the past. I want to see
Speaker 6: an offensive coordinator who is not a crony higher.
Speaker 5: You know, we were talking about that just a little
Speaker 5: bit before the break, Jason, that you know, his his
Speaker 5: connections right in the coaching world, and he and he
Speaker 5: brought guys that he felt he trusted, who he thought
Speaker 5: could do a good job. And he didn't have the
Speaker 5: vast connections that that Jed Fish had to pick from
Speaker 5: when he got built his coaching staff. He just went
Speaker 5: out and got a bunch of guys that he that
Speaker 5: he knew over the years, and.
Speaker 4: He got quality guys.
Speaker 5: And I I don't know, but I don't know how
Speaker 5: many of those guys, like you said, were friends of
Speaker 5: his so much as he was trying to build a
Speaker 5: coaching staff he could win with.
Speaker 4: And maybe that is a huge difference.
Speaker 5: And I would I think that he has to have
Speaker 5: do some soul searching about the quality of the coaches
Speaker 5: and that he's going to bring in, because he's he
Speaker 5: better get some guys who can coach better than the
Speaker 5: guys that he has.
Speaker 7: Well and the sing goals for the strength and conditioning.
Speaker 6: You know, I've never talked to her about.
Speaker 7: Strength and conditioning the season like like we had right
Speaker 7: right this year.
Speaker 6: But I'll tell you what, you know, the previous staff,
Speaker 6: the brag about how much every guy's powerlifted and bench pressing,
Speaker 6: and we had curtains, curtains around the way literally little
Speaker 6: curtains around the way group.
Speaker 7: It's year, so I don't know what's going on.
Speaker 6: I don't know if you wouldn't bring it up, if
Speaker 6: if has, so many guys weren't getting hurt.
Speaker 7: I'll tell you what I mean.
Speaker 2: I mean, you know, guys were just going down.
Speaker 6: Left and right for a while, and and you know it's.
Speaker 2: Not good to both of you guys. I want to
Speaker 2: ask us, when do you think it all went wrong?
Speaker 2: At what point? I think Jason already answered the question.
Speaker 4: Jason's gonna say when they hired well.
Speaker 6: No, no, the NAU game was rough and then off
Speaker 6: the field. His biggest mistake off the field was a
Speaker 6: comment that may have come out wrong in the press conference.
Speaker 6: It came out like he didn't want any part in
Speaker 6: marketing the team. When he made it was would have
Speaker 6: to get the exact quote, and now people have gone
Speaker 6: over every to a word of it, you know, to
Speaker 6: make sure it was said right. I don't have it
Speaker 6: in front of me, so I'm gonna have to paraphrase it.
Speaker 7: You know.
Speaker 6: He was asked kind of about a little bit of
Speaker 6: the lack of marketing, and he said, you know, that's
Speaker 6: for somebody with a marketing degree. You know that was
Speaker 6: kind of adjusted it. And you know he can't do
Speaker 6: that today. You've got to market and brand the program
Speaker 6: like crazy. You know, you can't just come in here
Speaker 6: and coach the team. It doesn't work, you know, and
Speaker 6: and and and you've got to have a differentiator in recruiting.
Speaker 6: And you can't be so brazen to think because you're
Speaker 6: such a great leader, or you know this about Actsidons
Speaker 6: football of a sudden.
Speaker 7: They're gonna they're gonna win.
Speaker 6: No, you have to you have to have some type.
Speaker 7: Of differentiator in recruiting.
Speaker 6: And and you know we can't see under the hood
Speaker 6: with the ni L.
Speaker 7: But apparently you know that hasn't been.
Speaker 6: Great, and apparently they're working on it now. But I
Speaker 6: want to get you your guys's take. I assume you
Speaker 6: read the article by Michael lev and the Daily Story
Speaker 6: yesterday last night about you know, Desiree Refrance while bringing
Speaker 6: him back. It doesn't sound like he's.
Speaker 7: On a long leash.
Speaker 4: Exactly, No, Jason, that's exactly what I've heard. Uh.
Speaker 5: You know, I've got you know, somebody that knows the
Speaker 5: program very well who said exactly that that they're going
Speaker 5: to bring him back, and this is before she announced
Speaker 5: her thing, and he said, they're going to bring him back,
Speaker 5: but he's going to have a very short leash. And
Speaker 5: you wonder if the short leash means, like I was
Speaker 5: saying a second ago, is desiree or somebody in her
Speaker 5: administration right gonna have a veto power or going to
Speaker 5: have to approve the new hires. Are they gonna tell him, Okay,
Speaker 5: you have to fire your offensive and defensive coordinator. They're
Speaker 5: going to say something like that. We don't know, but
Speaker 5: there has to be a discussion. But she did say
Speaker 5: in the statement to Michael lev And there will be
Speaker 5: changes made.
Speaker 2: What that means, well, better to have a short leaf
Speaker 2: than leave.
Speaker 4: Than look, and that he.
Speaker 5: That's all fans should expect. He's like, Okay, we're gonna
Speaker 5: make you know. It's not He's not the only one
Speaker 5: who's gonna fix this. We're all gonna take part in
Speaker 5: fixing this. Because that's how big of a fix it
Speaker 5: needs to be.
Speaker 2: To your point, Jason, in the first two games, because
Speaker 2: I totally agree with your your evaluation on the first
Speaker 2: game and the second game, and I've said this, there's
Speaker 2: got to be some disconnect between the coach and the
Speaker 2: players maybe they don't respect them, they'll play hard for him, whatever,
Speaker 2: And I said that all year, you don't get beat
Speaker 2: by thirty twenty five every game, and that's what it
Speaker 2: felt like.
Speaker 6: Yeah, let me jump in because you're making a good
Speaker 6: point here. And somebody else made this point kind of
Speaker 6: what you're saying, Steve, after the game, and they were like, Okay,
Speaker 6: if Brennan is such a great guy, if you guys
Speaker 6: love him so much, why weren't you running too a
Speaker 6: wall for him?
Speaker 2: No, you're exactly right. So my point is, if that's
Speaker 2: the case in my scenario, what makes you think it's
Speaker 2: going to happen next year? If it's not there, it's
Speaker 2: not there. If you don't love the woman and you
Speaker 2: don't show it best the second, what's the second ye're
Speaker 2: going to matter.
Speaker 5: But let's remember what we said earlier, Steve, is that
Speaker 5: these players play for their assistant coaches. Right, those are
Speaker 5: the first, Those are first on their list, and then
Speaker 5: it's the head coach. Now, the head coach has to
Speaker 5: bring up, but he's got to get assistant coaches that
Speaker 5: the guys who are going to respect and run through
Speaker 5: walls with that and that's and that's the thing. And again,
Speaker 5: I you know, going to your point, Jason, you know
Speaker 5: he brought in all his buddies, right and guys that,
Speaker 5: and and again for with good reason. He he's worked
Speaker 5: with these coaches, to be fair, he trusted him. He
Speaker 5: thought at San Jose State they were good enough to
Speaker 5: take this step up, but as a group, they didn't
Speaker 5: make take the big step up that they needed to take.
Speaker 5: So now what's he going to do? You know, who's
Speaker 5: he going to let go? Who's he going to keep?
Speaker 5: I think the fan base, and you can't base it
Speaker 5: all on the fan base, but I think they'll lose
Speaker 5: their mind if Tino Baber's is back and the other and.
Speaker 6: They I believe he was the one who is only
Speaker 6: on the one year deal. And even if this was
Speaker 6: a super successful year, I wouldn't have expected him to
Speaker 6: have a second year. We are just in the sense
Speaker 6: that I think he can get a head coaching job
Speaker 6: at a MAC school or somewhere like that. He's got
Speaker 6: good experience, he ran a really clean program, he did
Speaker 6: win some games, he graduated a ton of kids. You know,
Speaker 6: he's a good guy. You know, Babers can get another job.
Speaker 6: Right as a head coach, but they need to bring
Speaker 6: in an offensive coordinator now. The other thing that I
Speaker 6: heard yesterday or on Saturday in the press conference that
Speaker 6: made me a little uneasy was when somebody asked Brennan, well,
Speaker 6: what's your pitch to bring guys in in the transfer
Speaker 6: portal now? And Brannan's get the leap of faith? And
Speaker 6: Brennan's defense he didn't have the full transfer portal last year.
Speaker 6: But the problem with it now is you got to
Speaker 6: recruit through the transfer portal off a four and eight
Speaker 6: season and a coaching staff that's never really had a
Speaker 6: ton of success. And and so he was asked, well,
Speaker 6: what are you saying, and it's and and he's got
Speaker 6: to get guys to have a leap of faith.
Speaker 7: Well that's not that's not a lot.
Speaker 2: No, Well, you have a leap of faith and you
Speaker 2: have Semenil money. I don't know if they have both.
Speaker 4: Well, but Jet Fish is the same thing though.
Speaker 6: Too right, But Fish said, Fish said, don't compare, don't
Speaker 6: look at Arizona and don't look at this what we
Speaker 6: did last year. Look at what this coaching staff has
Speaker 6: done in the NFL. And then Jed said, I've got
Speaker 6: the NFL playbook, and I've got NFL coaches, and we're
Speaker 6: going to be the third n three year correct, We're
Speaker 6: going to move you to the NFL. Okay, so bs
Speaker 6: or not. You know, you've got to sell and and
Speaker 6: and and he sell and he sold it and worked
Speaker 6: and he and he's got it's got a you know,
Speaker 6: tough What he can offer kids here is you're going
Speaker 6: to play. You're gonna right now, You're gonna play because
Speaker 6: there's not a lot of positions where you have somebody
Speaker 6: you know, guaranteed into into a.
Speaker 7: Spot, you know, for next year.
Speaker 2: But you know, a lot of people have said what.
Speaker 6: I'm about to say is it's just you know, you
Speaker 6: don't lose these three potential first round picks to the
Speaker 6: NFL and usually have a better roster next year. They
Speaker 6: have to have a home run in this print. He
Speaker 6: has had to have the home run in this transfer
Speaker 6: portal the way that Dillingham did for issue last year.
Speaker 2: While we have you on, Jason and Jay, let me
Speaker 2: go we have about three four minutes. This solve the
Speaker 2: world's problems with the basketball team, though, just because just
Speaker 2: because what the heck do you think is going on there?
Speaker 6: Jason, I'm having trouble figuring it out because when I
Speaker 6: look at the team, it doesn't look that much different
Speaker 6: from his previous three teams. Now, the one number that
Speaker 6: jumps out.
Speaker 7: Of you is the assists.
Speaker 6: They were always top five and assists, and now there
Speaker 6: one hundred and twentieth or whatever it was. So I'm
Speaker 6: trying to figure out what is I don't think that
Speaker 6: Kretus has made that freshman to sophomore year jump in
Speaker 6: improvement the way that Ballow did for him, the Loco
Speaker 6: did for him, and even as Zulu's Tubellus did for him.
Speaker 6: I don't see that kind of jump yet from either
Speaker 6: of the big men. So I think they're lacking a
Speaker 6: little bit there. There's something wrong with the Caleb Love.
Speaker 6: I'm not sure what it is, if it's a confidence
Speaker 6: issue or you know, just a feast or famine thing,
Speaker 6: but you know, that's definitely he's not quite you know,
Speaker 6: is consistent, and he wasn't that consistent year. But but
Speaker 6: but he's not that consistent.
Speaker 7: And I'm not really I don't really.
Speaker 6: Have my fender on what is so different from this
Speaker 6: year's team compared to the previous three.
Speaker 7: What's your take on it.
Speaker 2: Well, I've said this a few times. I think number one,
Speaker 2: I'll go with number two. First, they're not defending the team,
Speaker 2: nor they do. They feel like wanting to defend the
Speaker 2: teams on the perimeter, right, and they have people, they
Speaker 2: have athletes one.
Speaker 4: And that's been that's been a problem since he got.
Speaker 2: Here, right right, And to the number one thing in
Speaker 2: my mind defense is yeah, so number one. Number one,
Speaker 2: they're not able to go and transition. Arizona teams since
Speaker 2: I covered it in the nineties early nineties, they moved,
Speaker 2: they transitioned, they got points off, turnovers, off a lot
Speaker 2: of things these teams that they're playing, and you would
Speaker 2: be a coach, you'd want to stop that, right, get
Speaker 2: everybody back, stop their transition. You're saving at least fifteen points.
Speaker 2: And they don't look like the Arizona teams that I've covered.
Speaker 2: They're not fast, they're not smooth, but guess what, they
Speaker 2: have the players to do that. But the teams that
Speaker 2: they're playing are smarter, they're bigger than they're tougher. That's
Speaker 2: the number one thing in my mind. Oh yeah, I.
Speaker 6: Mean, uh, the Senate the first team they played, not Davidson,
Speaker 6: but the team after that was Oklahoma looked really tough,
Speaker 6: they looked really physical. But you're right, you know, to
Speaker 6: that point, I saw them do a high low play,
Speaker 6: you know where those kind of all you dunks, those
Speaker 6: those high low plays. I'm like, oh my goodness, I
Speaker 6: forgot about that. Say they said that all the time.
Speaker 7: Last year, and.
Speaker 5: Yeah, you know that was a sort of a bread
Speaker 5: and butter for him the last couple of years with
Speaker 5: with Ballow, with with Tubellas uh uh uh, and and
Speaker 5: last year with with Ballo and Crevis. So the things
Speaker 5: that have worked for him in the past they're not
Speaker 5: doing so for whatever reason. Is it? Is it just
Speaker 5: a chemistry issue? Is that the pieces don't quite fit right?
Speaker 5: You know, they got good players at all the positions,
Speaker 5: but what's the fit? To me that that's the only
Speaker 5: thing that explains to me what's going on with them
Speaker 5: right now, is that for whatever they don't fit he
Speaker 5: you know, he started Carter Bryant the other night, right.
Speaker 5: I know it's because of the technical clauses and stuff
Speaker 5: like that, but there's just doesn't seem to be any
Speaker 5: kind of cohes slow or rhythm or as you said,
Speaker 5: cohesiveness to any other lineup.
Speaker 2: Those three words cohesively flow.
Speaker 6: But I can't figure out what everything he's saying is right.
Speaker 6: But I'm about having trouble figuring out why because the
Speaker 6: team doesn't look much different than his previous three teams.
Speaker 6: And after the first couple of wins against Cadesious and
Speaker 6: Old Dominion.
Speaker 7: He made the comment of, well, you know, we've.
Speaker 6: Got a tough stretch, but but I like who we're
Speaker 6: going in with.
Speaker 7: And I don't think he.
Speaker 6: Was just saying that.
Speaker 2: I thought I think he was confident.
Speaker 6: And so you know, I'm That's what I'm kind of
Speaker 6: scratching my head at.
Speaker 2: Well, he said about it feels like you talked about
Speaker 2: being in the Big eight. Were built for it, We're
Speaker 2: ready for it. No, you're not, because we've seen it.
Speaker 5: To me, the the thing is that is that I
Speaker 5: think you know you're tasking one reason why they are
Speaker 5: where they are. It's it's that it's not the talent. No,
Speaker 5: it's not the scheme. No, well, it may be the
Speaker 5: scheme in the sense that he's got to find a
Speaker 5: scheme that works with the combinations that he has.
Speaker 2: You you've covered you've currently follow the team. I've covered
Speaker 2: it for like thirty years now, whatever, how do you
Speaker 2: beat an Araszonta team. Coach Loot or Sean or now
Speaker 2: Tommy put him in the half court. Make sure they
Speaker 2: plan always that because they don't have the players to
Speaker 2: play in the half court, they don't have the practice
Speaker 2: that they should have court. And how many teams have
Speaker 2: played them in the half court now? Every single defeat
Speaker 2: they put them in the half court.
Speaker 5: Yeah no, I again, I watched this team and it
Speaker 5: just doesn't look like it has the capability to run
Speaker 5: the stuff that Tommy has run since he got.
Speaker 2: Here, right right?
Speaker 6: Yeah?
Speaker 7: Interesting?
Speaker 2: Okay, Jason, you know, if you want to have a.
Speaker 6: Leap of faith with basketball, which is says, hey, you
Speaker 6: know the year that you don't think, you don't expect
Speaker 6: big things, that's that's what big things happens in basketball.
Speaker 2: Jason. You know what you're gonna start, Well, you can
Speaker 2: start well. They finished fifth in the packed Pac ten
Speaker 2: back in ninety seven, so you know this is gonna
Speaker 2: happen again. Be prepared for that one.
Speaker 6: Okay, Yeah, it's it's you know, listen, you know that
Speaker 6: that works.
Speaker 7: That works.
Speaker 2: Leap of faith along, Steve, Thanks Jason, thanks for joining us.
Speaker 2: Appreciate it.
Speaker 6: Yeah, great chatter about the football. Appreciate you guys having
Speaker 6: me on. We're good to listen to you and talk
Speaker 6: to you.
Speaker 2: Thank you, mess Thanks Jason Jason bar Channel nine. We're
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Speaker 1: Steve Rivera, He's got his eye on the ball. On
Speaker 1: Tucson Sports Station Fox Sports fourteen fifth Day.
Speaker 2: Hey, welcome back to win the Ball here on Fox
Speaker 2: Sports fourteen fifty. I'm Steve Rivera. In today with me
Speaker 2: is long time partner Jay gon Zauz Henry working on
Speaker 2: the board. So we're doing okay, let me ask you.
Speaker 2: You've been off the internet? You said, like off the
Speaker 2: craziness great Twitter?
Speaker 5: We No, I've been.
Speaker 2: I still pay attention to it over the weekend.
Speaker 5: After all this stuff. Soul retains me still and I
Speaker 5: don't feel compelled to go on there and fight with anybody.
Speaker 2: Okay, So so over the weekend when the basketball team
Speaker 2: and we'll stay on the basketball team. You hear, I
Speaker 2: see you on Facebook, see on Twitter. Tommy Wiwid is
Speaker 2: not the guy. He's not the guy. You know. These
Speaker 2: are coming from the guys that feasted with him for
Speaker 2: three years, right and all of a sudden he loses
Speaker 2: a couple of games and get him out of it there. Yeah.
Speaker 5: Well, like with the people who are saying Brent Brand
Speaker 5: needs to be fired, people are saying Tommy Lloyd, you know,
Speaker 5: is not the guy. I just say, go back to
Speaker 5: your basement, open your bag of cheetos, sit down in
Speaker 5: your boxer, shorts and have fun because it's it's all.
Speaker 4: All those things are dumb.
Speaker 5: And I'm not trying to put myself like I'm smarter
Speaker 5: than everybody, but those things are unrealistic.
Speaker 4: Right.
Speaker 5: You know what, Tommy Lloyd hasn't won enough for you.
Speaker 5: He's winning thirty games every year, right, I get it.
Speaker 5: He hasn't done in NCAA tournament what you would hope
Speaker 5: he would do. And he's off to a little bit
Speaker 5: of a rocky start. Did Lout have some rocky starts?
Speaker 5: I recall that he did. Sean Miller have some rocky starts.
Speaker 5: I recall that he did. There are still good coaches, right,
Speaker 5: really good coaches, and so you know, just relax, let
Speaker 5: as as they say, let this thing play out.
Speaker 2: Yeah, exactly exactly. I think he'll fix this. But half
Speaker 2: of it. It's not just him. It's Jay. If you
Speaker 2: want to beat me, you're going to put some work
Speaker 2: into beating me, right, And the schemes or whatever. I
Speaker 2: still say those things that I said earlier are an issue,
Speaker 2: and that's what he has to fix.
Speaker 5: The thing of it is, David, it feels like people
Speaker 5: think that this is easy because Tommy Lloyd has won
Speaker 5: so many games the first few years. It hasn't been easy.
Speaker 5: You know, a lot of things had to come together
Speaker 5: for him to win the mon games that he's won.
Speaker 2: We got to go to the full lines. Hello, you're
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Speaker 4: Who's this?
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Speaker 2: You you've been missing for a while. I was gonna
Speaker 2: call nine one one to find you. I was wondering,
Speaker 2: are you okay?
Speaker 18: Well get him one time? Jall? Have you been buddy?
Speaker 5: I'm hanging in there, Gabe. I'm I didn't jump off
Speaker 5: any bridges after Saturday?
Speaker 4: How's that?
Speaker 7: Uh?
Speaker 18: Yeah, neither did I. I was pinning of Stetchy that
Speaker 18: we're gonna lose to the scum devil.
Speaker 6: So and we did.
Speaker 7: So.
Speaker 18: I don't know if I like Dad Brennan coming back
Speaker 18: or not, but I know that Dino Babers is not
Speaker 18: coming back to be the offensive coordinator. What else do
Speaker 18: we know as in this point, No.
Speaker 2: We don't.
Speaker 4: We don't know anything. Uh gave that things are just
Speaker 4: getting started.
Speaker 5: He's obviously got to make some changes and we'll see
Speaker 5: what those are over over the time. But in the meantime,
Speaker 5: they got to be recruiting, So I don't know how.
Speaker 5: I don't know how you do all this right, If
Speaker 5: you have a stable staff, you can all go out
Speaker 5: and be recruiting, not worrying about things. Brent Brennan's got
Speaker 5: to worry about what do I have to do? What
Speaker 5: do I have to change? Uh, you know, whether it's
Speaker 5: coaching staff or however they do things during this time
Speaker 5: that he's also got to get players to come here?
Speaker 18: Do you seek deser re Francois have the money to
Speaker 18: farmhand even though Brent Brennan is not his guy, even
Speaker 18: though even though Brent Brennant is not her guy, that
Speaker 18: she hired him, even though that day he basically hire him.
Speaker 2: Well, that's a good question, because the rumors were that
Speaker 2: she did. I don't know if they're true or not.
Speaker 2: I don't know. I'm not gonna believe in any rumors.
Speaker 2: The thing is, they need a lot more money than
Speaker 2: what people think, right.
Speaker 18: Yeah, money makes them wall go round.
Speaker 5: And I think we're realistically though, Gabe. Even if she
Speaker 5: had oodles of money to do it, I think I
Speaker 5: think you hurt your program more than you help it
Speaker 5: if you fire a coach like Brent Brannan after year one.
Speaker 5: Like again, I was here when the Ben Lindsay thing happened. Gabe,
Speaker 5: you weren't even born yet, but that had to happen then, right,
Speaker 5: And even then when they fired him, when said Dempsey
Speaker 5: fired him after when I was shocked. I thought coaches
Speaker 5: don't lose their jobs after one year. Now, later on,
Speaker 5: you were how old eighty three? Eighty three?
Speaker 4: I would have been twenty four years old?
Speaker 2: Really only twenty four, Okay, so twenty four you're you
Speaker 2: and you probably know the history. It was bad.
Speaker 5: Yeah, And well later on I've told you, I you know,
Speaker 5: I read transcripts of from you know, what was going
Speaker 5: on behind the scenes, from from the from a Ben
Speaker 5: Lindsay's a lawsuit against Arizona. He had to be fired,
Speaker 5: and knowing all of what we read in those in
Speaker 5: the court files, he had to be fired. But that's
Speaker 5: how bad it had to be for them to fire
Speaker 5: I remember back then they had one year contracts.
Speaker 2: Yeah we got another call, Yeah, so we haven't.
Speaker 5: Yeah, So you know, I I think you hurt your
Speaker 5: program more than you help it if you get rid
Speaker 5: of a coach after one year in this situation.
Speaker 2: Okay, Jay, we have another call. Keep calling, Gay, we
Speaker 2: miss you, Man, I miss you? Did he go? Okay,
Speaker 2: Well he's listening. Thanks, we got another call. Yeah, let's
Speaker 2: take this call. All right, Hello, you're on the air
Speaker 2: and line on the ball, Nico, gab and Nico, what
Speaker 2: the Nico?
Speaker 7: Man?
Speaker 5: Yeah?
Speaker 8: J whateped and you get fired from that jet, Nico.
Speaker 5: I finished my homework on time, and Steve let me
Speaker 5: come in and hang and hag with him for a while.
Speaker 2: Dico, you want to be my partner here?
Speaker 1: Man, I don't know.
Speaker 8: Man, that's a pretty big commitment.
Speaker 2: Man, that's why I came.
Speaker 4: It is Nico. It's a huge commitment.
Speaker 8: And I don't have the sources you have.
Speaker 2: Man, I don't have the connection, but you have the humor.
Speaker 2: I need some humor. Go ahead, what's what's up? What
Speaker 2: are your thoughts?
Speaker 1: Hey?
Speaker 15: Man?
Speaker 8: I told you guys at the beginning of the year
Speaker 8: they'd be six and six, and you laughed at me.
Speaker 8: You didn't believe me.
Speaker 2: I thought they didn't win at least eight games? You
Speaker 2: really did, Jay, you thought they wouldn't more than that.
Speaker 5: Made I lost I mean my wife, I lost some
Speaker 5: money because they didn't get to eight.
Speaker 8: So yeah, man, it was bad. Man, it wasn't even
Speaker 8: like it was just.
Speaker 2: Bad what happened. So, Nico, I'm gonna ask you the
Speaker 2: question they asked Jay and Jason one did it when
Speaker 2: did you feel it went bad? Went wrong? And you yeah,
Speaker 2: because they didn't give him a fight.
Speaker 8: It was just terrible. You should whoop that. And you've
Speaker 8: got like forty Yeah.
Speaker 2: I agree, And and Jason made the point is the
Speaker 2: injuries weren't there already.
Speaker 8: Yeah, I mean Dino Babers, he's gonna get fired. But
Speaker 8: if you fire Dwayne Aquina, I'm gonna be pissed.
Speaker 7: I'm not gonna lie.
Speaker 2: Well that's the sentiment everywhere.
Speaker 5: Well, and Dwayne a Quina has the defense that all
Speaker 5: his good players got hurt. And so you I could
Speaker 5: see that if they keep Dwayne Aquina, maybe change some
Speaker 5: some might change some other guys on the staff, turnover
Speaker 5: a lot of the offensive staff or maybe it's just
Speaker 5: offensive coordinator.
Speaker 7: I don't know.
Speaker 5: And not the Babers, but the guy that he was
Speaker 5: supposed to be mentoring to to, you know, to call
Speaker 5: players and stuff. Maybe that you turn over, you do
Speaker 5: some you do some changes there. But again, none of
Speaker 5: that is gonna help the season ticket sales next year. No,
Speaker 5: it's not the only thing that's gonna help. That is
Speaker 5: if you win some games and people come back. So
Speaker 5: they're gonna have to bite the bullet and understand attendance
Speaker 5: is probably gonna be down next year.
Speaker 4: Well, no matter what they do.
Speaker 2: Niko, have you and your dad talked about season tickets
Speaker 2: next year?
Speaker 7: Yeah?
Speaker 8: Man, I go with my dad and his buddy and
Speaker 8: they're like, we're only coming back if you pay.
Speaker 7: For the tickets.
Speaker 9: I'm like, damn, so you're not freaking thirteen.
Speaker 7: Butts man, I don't know.
Speaker 2: We'll see. That's what Well, that's what that's what it is.
Speaker 2: That's what happened. That's what's gonna be your option of
Speaker 2: going to a game and spending the money but going
Speaker 2: to see the possibility. Yeah, they're gonna lose.
Speaker 5: I've heard some long time season ticket holder say I'm
Speaker 5: not so sure about next year, and that's and you
Speaker 5: know what, they have every right. The product was bad
Speaker 5: this year, you know. I mean, if you hear a
Speaker 5: movie is bad, do you go see it?
Speaker 2: Always?
Speaker 4: You usually don't, So it's same thing.
Speaker 8: Hey, man, I don't know. I'll probably pony up the
Speaker 8: cash but I did sit around some good people.
Speaker 5: Well, no, you know what the I'll say, the a
Speaker 5: SU fans around us were great. I think partly because
Speaker 5: the Arizona fans were just beaten. You know, we sat
Speaker 5: down and we had nothing to say. We were beaten.
Speaker 7: Uh.
Speaker 5: You know, even got to the point where you know
Speaker 5: how you su fans start chaying a SU and Arizona
Speaker 5: fans goes sucks. I wanted to tell the guy across
Speaker 5: out from me, Arizona fans stop saying sucks.
Speaker 2: One, they don't suck. Okay, you're down zero.
Speaker 5: Just just be quiet, write it out and go home
Speaker 5: after this.
Speaker 4: That that's what I wanted to happen.
Speaker 8: Hey, man, I'll say about this. Me and my dad
Speaker 8: were somebody that they issue chicks, and we we all
Speaker 8: let that al time. Man, we've been drinking at the bar.
Speaker 8: It's a great time.
Speaker 4: Yeah, there you go.
Speaker 2: There you go, Nico, Thanks for calling you.
Speaker 5: Do you hear from you? Nico?
Speaker 2: All right? No? Cool, He's right. I mean you to
Speaker 2: spend thirteen two thousand whatever is to go watch chance
Speaker 2: to win again.
Speaker 5: And and but you know, and I I may be
Speaker 5: one of the reasons that that a reason when you
Speaker 5: think of a number of reasons that that it could
Speaker 5: have been. The desre said, you know we're keeping them
Speaker 5: is because no matter what she does, like again, unless
Speaker 5: you're gonna go get you know, Bill Belichick, you know
Speaker 5: somebody like that to come here and coach who can
Speaker 5: sell tickets, you're not gonna You're not gonna change the
Speaker 5: trajectory of the of the coming season when it comes
Speaker 5: to tickets.
Speaker 2: The move the needle doesn't move for very much. There's
Speaker 2: no there's what you say this. I know her a
Speaker 2: little and we've met her right a little. She's a
Speaker 2: smart woman. We know that she's coming into a different spot.
Speaker 2: I'm not gonna try to all by her because she's
Speaker 2: coming here with the thoughts that she has to get
Speaker 2: this money, this place out of money, out of money trouble. Uh,
Speaker 2: there's money issues here. Uh. She's brought in some people
Speaker 2: of her own, her own past. A lot of people
Speaker 2: have left from the people that.
Speaker 4: Are here were here.
Speaker 2: So I don't envy the position she's in. And this
Speaker 2: was a no win situation, uh in firing the coach,
Speaker 2: hiring the coach, and her and her job. That said,
Speaker 2: she's making a lot of money, so people get paid
Speaker 2: a lot of money, have them. So there's no crying
Speaker 2: for for Desert.
Speaker 4: I'm not crying for her at all. But it is
Speaker 4: a it is a hard job.
Speaker 5: It's hard heart respect the fact that she's in an
Speaker 5: she is in a tough position, as is everybody over there,
Speaker 5: you know, And and everybody's got a you know, as
Speaker 5: they say, you know, uh, you know, pull the you know,
Speaker 5: pull on the rope or whatever whatever ridge do you
Speaker 5: say about that?
Speaker 4: You know that that you know, because it's the you know,
Speaker 4: it's football.
Speaker 5: And then when you got the added misery that's going
Speaker 5: on in basketball, it's kind of like this is this
Speaker 5: couldn't be harder right now than it is right right, No,
Speaker 5: bread and Butter's are both both programs.
Speaker 4: Yeah, and so the good.
Speaker 2: Thing is that the cash from this this past season
Speaker 2: has already come in. Yeah, because the season takes but
Speaker 2: the future holy.
Speaker 5: Well, you know, and and and look, everybody will feel
Speaker 5: better if basketball can ride itself. And look, we said
Speaker 5: all along, get ready for some losses. There's going to
Speaker 5: be some losses, and there are going to be some losses.
Speaker 5: The question is what can Tommy do to to to
Speaker 5: stem the tide on that Yeah, no.
Speaker 2: I agree with you. They have the players. I do
Speaker 2: believe that previous is not the guy that we thought
Speaker 2: he would be to this point.
Speaker 5: Well, let's not forget he was injured all you know,
Speaker 5: he didn't get time on the court and all that stuff,
Speaker 5: and so you know what does that have to do
Speaker 5: with with where he's at.
Speaker 2: Yeah, So they have Henry, they have a walk. Uh,
Speaker 2: they have they have have enough, they have parts they have.
Speaker 7: I like that.
Speaker 5: Also coming off the bench, he gives you a guy
Speaker 5: that at the very least have to cover it.
Speaker 2: Brian can play off the bench. Caleb's got to play better.
Speaker 2: We all know that. But guess what, You're gonna have
Speaker 2: to live with him being Caleb.
Speaker 5: Caleb is gonna be Caleb, and you're not going to
Speaker 5: sit him down for oh, sit him down, don't let
Speaker 5: him start like what what?
Speaker 2: Yeh. He's the first team All America guy that I
Speaker 2: think that they're gonna have to ride, which the way
Speaker 2: he plays, he's party gonna love it is Jaye j
Speaker 2: And Bradley just get the ball and he because he
Speaker 2: loves on that show. He's got, he's got, he's he's.
Speaker 5: The key to making all of this come together as
Speaker 5: point guards usually are, right. I think he's good. I
Speaker 5: think he's really good. He is, but maybe he's trying
Speaker 5: to figure things out.
Speaker 2: He's his style is take control blah blah blah and kJ.
Speaker 2: Whatever's going on with KG, he's got to be better too.
Speaker 2: I mean there's people that got to be better. Yeah,
Speaker 2: So we'll see Jay. I appreciate you coming back.
Speaker 5: Well, this is fun, Steve, Well, you know, we'll do
Speaker 5: it some more.
Speaker 2: Just what I need to hear you rant you didn't.
Speaker 5: I didn't read that bad, but I've had three days
Speaker 5: to get over it. But we'll be back together December
Speaker 5: nineteenth at the Casino del Sol and see us. So
Speaker 5: come and see us out there at the Soul Sports
Speaker 5: sports Book and we'll be hanging out over there.
Speaker 4: But I'm looking forward to that.
Speaker 2: Thank you, Henry. We'll see everybody tomorrow.