1 00:00:01,840 --> 00:00:05,519 Speaker 1: Golf Smarter number three eighty two, published on April thirtieth, 2 00:00:05,759 --> 00:00:06,639 twenty thirteen. 3 00:00:06,879 --> 00:00:11,960 Speaker 2: Welcome to golf Smarter Mulligans, your second chance to gain 4 00:00:12,000 --> 00:00:15,560 insight and advice from the best instructors featured on the 5 00:00:15,599 --> 00:00:21,600 Golf Smarter podcast. Great Golf Instruction never gets old. Our 6 00:00:21,719 --> 00:00:26,480 interview library features hundreds of hours of game improvement conversations 7 00:00:26,640 --> 00:00:30,160 like this that are no longer available in any podcast app. 8 00:00:30,399 --> 00:00:34,640 Speaker 3: The most important thing is to separate out the elements, 9 00:00:34,640 --> 00:00:36,759 and this is what most people don't do in their 10 00:00:36,799 --> 00:00:39,920 putting routines. When you've taken your practice stroke and you're 11 00:00:39,960 --> 00:00:42,000 ready to address the ball, you have to be done 12 00:00:42,039 --> 00:00:45,359 with thinking about how you're going to make that stroke. 13 00:00:45,640 --> 00:00:48,479 You have to be finished with that and say, Okay, 14 00:00:48,560 --> 00:00:50,320 that's the stroke I'm going to put on it, and 15 00:00:50,359 --> 00:00:53,399 I give some ideas in how to make every put 16 00:00:53,600 --> 00:00:57,759 of how to go about finding your best stroke. Then 17 00:00:58,039 --> 00:01:00,000 when you set the putter and you've taken your stance, 18 00:01:00,479 --> 00:01:03,240 you have to be done with direction. You don't want 19 00:01:03,280 --> 00:01:06,200 to be pushing or pulling any putts, so you make 20 00:01:06,239 --> 00:01:09,239 a commitment to use your stroke to send the ball 21 00:01:09,359 --> 00:01:13,319 on the line where that hutter's pointing at address No Push, 22 00:01:13,400 --> 00:01:16,239 No Pull. There's a chapter called every Putt starts as 23 00:01:16,239 --> 00:01:18,560 a straight putt, and that's really what you want to do. 24 00:01:24,239 --> 00:01:27,359 Speaker 1: How to make every put With Zen Golf author doctor 25 00:01:27,480 --> 00:01:28,319 Joseph Parrot. 26 00:01:28,359 --> 00:01:33,599 Speaker 2: This is Golf Smarter sharing tips and insights from golfers 27 00:01:33,640 --> 00:01:37,120 and golf professionals to help blower your score. It's worked 28 00:01:37,159 --> 00:01:38,879 for your host, Fred Green. 29 00:01:39,439 --> 00:01:42,359 Speaker 1: Welcome back to Golf Smarter. Doctor Joe. 30 00:01:42,640 --> 00:01:44,040 Speaker 3: Hi, Fred, great to be here. 31 00:01:44,239 --> 00:01:47,159 Speaker 1: It is great to have you back because we've had 32 00:01:47,159 --> 00:01:50,599 you many times. You are the most regular of our 33 00:01:50,640 --> 00:01:55,519 regular guests, and it's mainly because that your first book, 34 00:01:55,640 --> 00:01:59,640 Zen Golf, led me to this podcast. Honestly, I mean, 35 00:02:00,400 --> 00:02:04,200 what it meant to me and on the bigger picture 36 00:02:05,680 --> 00:02:08,960 made me think in a whole different way and launched 37 00:02:08,960 --> 00:02:12,319 this podcast and the questions behind this podcast. It was 38 00:02:12,360 --> 00:02:13,520 definitely from Zen Golf. 39 00:02:13,560 --> 00:02:15,960 Speaker 3: So again, well thank you, Fred. It was a pleasure 40 00:02:16,080 --> 00:02:20,120 being on that first podcast, and I appreciate how much 41 00:02:21,240 --> 00:02:24,360 you connected with Zen Golf. Every time we've talked, you've 42 00:02:24,800 --> 00:02:28,000 really shown that you understood it and understood where I 43 00:02:28,039 --> 00:02:31,800 was coming from. And it's been very gratifying how many 44 00:02:31,840 --> 00:02:35,159 golfers have really appreciated Zen Golf. I get a lot 45 00:02:35,159 --> 00:02:39,120 of emails thanking me for writing the book. And it's 46 00:02:39,199 --> 00:02:42,759 been eleven years since the book came out, and it 47 00:02:42,840 --> 00:02:46,520 has stayed pretty consistently in the top five of all 48 00:02:46,639 --> 00:02:51,159 golf books throughout that time, which is remarkable for a 49 00:02:51,199 --> 00:02:55,759 little book on the Eastern wisdom and Western psychology principles 50 00:02:56,319 --> 00:02:59,439 of getting out of your own way and playing your 51 00:02:59,479 --> 00:03:02,319 best golf as much as you possibly can. 52 00:03:02,680 --> 00:03:06,280 Speaker 1: And that is why it's probably the most successful golf 53 00:03:06,319 --> 00:03:07,759 mental book in history. 54 00:03:07,520 --> 00:03:11,960 Speaker 3: Right it seems that way, certainly in the last decade, 55 00:03:12,080 --> 00:03:19,199 and it's really been a great, a great phenomenon that 56 00:03:19,520 --> 00:03:22,199 I really didn't expect when I first wrote it. But 57 00:03:22,360 --> 00:03:29,240 it's been consistently in the top five in mental game 58 00:03:29,400 --> 00:03:33,240 golf books and in all golf books for the last decade. 59 00:03:33,319 --> 00:03:37,680 So that's that's been great. And you know, it came 60 00:03:37,719 --> 00:03:40,560 out eleven years ago and it's still near the top 61 00:03:40,599 --> 00:03:44,240 of the chart, so awesome, got lasting power. I really 62 00:03:44,319 --> 00:03:48,159 appreciate your your how much you connected with it and 63 00:03:48,159 --> 00:03:51,159 how much it meant to you and how and the 64 00:03:51,159 --> 00:03:53,039 feedback that I've gotten from people about it. 65 00:03:53,520 --> 00:03:56,960 Speaker 1: Yeah, that's great. Well, there's a new book out, and 66 00:03:57,120 --> 00:03:59,159 as soon as I saw the title, I went, We've 67 00:03:59,199 --> 00:04:01,840 talked about this, the title the new book, how to 68 00:04:01,919 --> 00:04:05,520 Make Every Putt the Secret to winning Golf's game within 69 00:04:05,759 --> 00:04:10,520 the game. So how to make Every putt is a 70 00:04:10,560 --> 00:04:13,800 line that you have said on this show. You know 71 00:04:13,840 --> 00:04:16,319 you made the putt, you just didn't hold it, right? 72 00:04:16,439 --> 00:04:17,399 Is that where we're going with this? 73 00:04:17,879 --> 00:04:20,759 Speaker 3: That is the basic principle, you know, a cup. I've 74 00:04:20,759 --> 00:04:23,600 gotten some very nice reviews about the book already, and 75 00:04:24,000 --> 00:04:27,000 a couple of them mentioned they say it's a presumptuous 76 00:04:27,040 --> 00:04:29,920 title or it's a you know what, what does that mean? 77 00:04:30,000 --> 00:04:33,000 How to Make Every putt? And I made that the 78 00:04:33,079 --> 00:04:37,480 title because I wanted to intrigue people and say, is 79 00:04:37,519 --> 00:04:41,439 that possible? Well, it's possible if you change the definition 80 00:04:41,639 --> 00:04:45,120 of making a putt and separate out making and holding. 81 00:04:45,800 --> 00:04:48,439 So if you got the putt started just the way 82 00:04:48,480 --> 00:04:50,120 you want it, and we know what that feels like 83 00:04:50,160 --> 00:04:53,240 when it leaves the putter face and we say, oh, yeah, 84 00:04:53,639 --> 00:04:56,560 I really like the way I got that one started, 85 00:04:57,279 --> 00:04:59,439 then you made your putt if it's on the line 86 00:04:59,439 --> 00:05:02,879 you chose, at the pace you chose, with a good 87 00:05:03,000 --> 00:05:06,000 roll coming off the sweet spot of the putter. Then 88 00:05:06,040 --> 00:05:09,399 you made your putt, then you see what happens, and 89 00:05:09,519 --> 00:05:11,720 if it goes in, then you hold your putt. So 90 00:05:11,720 --> 00:05:16,399 we separate making and holding. It's highly unlikely that you're 91 00:05:16,439 --> 00:05:19,879 going to hold every put but you can make every putt, 92 00:05:19,879 --> 00:05:23,439 and you want your confidence to be based on your execution, 93 00:05:24,160 --> 00:05:26,959 not so much on the outcome, because we're not dealing 94 00:05:27,000 --> 00:05:31,040 with a perfect surface. You know, on the PGA Tour average, 95 00:05:31,040 --> 00:05:33,680 and this is a group of the best golfers in 96 00:05:33,720 --> 00:05:38,120 the world, the PGA Tour average from eight feet is 97 00:05:38,160 --> 00:05:41,560 only fifty percent amazing. So if you say, you know, 98 00:05:41,639 --> 00:05:44,600 these guys, they're not that good. They miss half their 99 00:05:44,639 --> 00:05:46,319 putts from only eight feet away. 100 00:05:46,920 --> 00:05:48,040 Speaker 1: I can do that. 101 00:05:47,920 --> 00:05:52,800 Speaker 3: That doesn't sound very That's not a confidence builder. So 102 00:05:54,160 --> 00:05:57,199 and to have your expectations. I have a chapter in 103 00:05:57,240 --> 00:06:00,399 the book about lowering your expectations. If you think that 104 00:06:00,519 --> 00:06:03,279 you should hold every putt from eight feet, you're going 105 00:06:03,360 --> 00:06:05,800 to be pretty frustrated since the best golfers in the 106 00:06:05,839 --> 00:06:09,920 world only hold half of them. Yeah, well, your expectations 107 00:06:10,079 --> 00:06:14,120 and focus more on building your confidence based on how 108 00:06:14,160 --> 00:06:16,759 you get the ball started. And then if you get 109 00:06:16,759 --> 00:06:19,360 the ball started the way you want to. The only 110 00:06:19,399 --> 00:06:21,399 thing you need to adjust is how well you read 111 00:06:21,439 --> 00:06:23,759 the putts and how well you gauge the field of 112 00:06:24,120 --> 00:06:24,920 the pace. 113 00:06:25,079 --> 00:06:26,519 Speaker 1: And that's what this book is about. 114 00:06:27,040 --> 00:06:28,319 Speaker 3: That's right. Yeah. 115 00:06:28,439 --> 00:06:31,560 Speaker 1: I mean I think that there's a bigger picture to 116 00:06:31,639 --> 00:06:34,399 all of this, and that is that our expectations on 117 00:06:34,439 --> 00:06:39,000 our game is always probably set a little too high 118 00:06:39,079 --> 00:06:41,560 and leads to disappointment and frustration. 119 00:06:42,800 --> 00:06:46,120 Speaker 3: Probably true, and more with putting than anything else. I 120 00:06:46,160 --> 00:06:49,800 don't think we really compare ourselves so much to the 121 00:06:49,839 --> 00:06:53,240 pros when it comes to t shots, and not many 122 00:06:53,240 --> 00:06:56,040 people I know hit the ball three hundred yards, so 123 00:06:56,399 --> 00:06:59,720 it's not too realistic to compare ourselves to the pros 124 00:07:00,399 --> 00:07:03,360 hitting greens. Well, most of what we see on TV 125 00:07:03,519 --> 00:07:07,639 are pros that do hit the greens, but we have 126 00:07:07,680 --> 00:07:11,680 to remember the clubs that they hit into the greens 127 00:07:11,720 --> 00:07:15,560 are usually shorter than the ones that the average middle 128 00:07:15,680 --> 00:07:19,680 to high handicap or plays, So we really can't have 129 00:07:19,800 --> 00:07:23,560 that much expectation. But putting, come on, there's the ball, 130 00:07:23,600 --> 00:07:26,639 there's some grass as a hole doesn't take that much, 131 00:07:27,319 --> 00:07:29,920 it doesn't take strength, it doesn't take that much skill 132 00:07:30,000 --> 00:07:33,519 er coordination. That's where we start to compare ourselves to 133 00:07:33,560 --> 00:07:38,720 the pros. And the problem comes in with telecasts. Golf telecasts. 134 00:07:38,519 --> 00:07:41,920 Mostly we watch golf on TV, and if you watch 135 00:07:41,959 --> 00:07:45,439 golf on TV, you see mainly the guys who are 136 00:07:45,519 --> 00:07:48,680 leading and mainly the ones who are sinking putts. 137 00:07:49,000 --> 00:07:52,360 Speaker 1: Right, let's go back to thirteen. Now is sixty footter, 138 00:07:52,639 --> 00:07:55,079 and of course it's a replay of something that's already happened, 139 00:07:55,120 --> 00:07:57,519 so they've already vetted that shot. They're not going to 140 00:07:57,560 --> 00:08:00,759 show you. They'll show you a miss if it's two feet, 141 00:08:00,759 --> 00:08:02,439 but they won't show you a miss if it's eight feet. 142 00:08:03,759 --> 00:08:06,160 Speaker 3: So they'll show you the leaders. And then if you 143 00:08:06,240 --> 00:08:09,639 see a guy who's not in contention, and as you said, 144 00:08:09,959 --> 00:08:13,040 as about a sixty foot or across the green, bet 145 00:08:13,079 --> 00:08:15,319 your friends that he's gonna hold it, because the only 146 00:08:15,360 --> 00:08:17,240 reason they're showing the guy is because they're going to 147 00:08:17,279 --> 00:08:19,839 show him holding a pot. Right, So you see puts 148 00:08:19,839 --> 00:08:23,480 going in all the time on TV, and then when 149 00:08:23,519 --> 00:08:27,519 yours don't go in at that frequency, you start to 150 00:08:27,560 --> 00:08:31,800 get frustrated, be more realistic and focus more on how 151 00:08:32,120 --> 00:08:34,639 how good it feels to get the putt started, and 152 00:08:35,399 --> 00:08:39,360 realize on a twenty footer you know, maybe one out 153 00:08:39,360 --> 00:08:42,360 of one, out of ten or twelve is all at 154 00:08:42,360 --> 00:08:47,440 the pros hole. So when yours goes in, get excited 155 00:08:47,879 --> 00:08:50,440 when it gets close, feel like, hey, I did a 156 00:08:50,440 --> 00:08:53,679 good job. I rolled a good putt there right right. 157 00:08:55,279 --> 00:08:57,799 Speaker 1: And it's interesting because you know, when you talk about 158 00:08:57,840 --> 00:09:00,840 a level playing field with the pros, it's the place. 159 00:09:01,320 --> 00:09:04,320 I feel that putting is the place that if somebody's 160 00:09:04,360 --> 00:09:07,519 interested in getting started playing golf, that's where you should 161 00:09:07,559 --> 00:09:10,480 take them. Is a practice putting green, not a driving range, 162 00:09:10,919 --> 00:09:14,279 because the driving range can be so frustrating because you're 163 00:09:14,279 --> 00:09:17,399 not hitting the ball. But even a five year old 164 00:09:17,480 --> 00:09:19,919 can put the ball in the cup, right. 165 00:09:21,200 --> 00:09:24,759 Speaker 3: I like to teach. When I teach beginners, I do 166 00:09:24,960 --> 00:09:28,759 something that Harvey Pennock said the same thing. And you 167 00:09:28,799 --> 00:09:30,799 know the objective of the game is to get the 168 00:09:30,840 --> 00:09:33,080 ball in the hole, So start with that and work 169 00:09:33,120 --> 00:09:33,720 your way back. 170 00:09:33,840 --> 00:09:35,759 Speaker 1: Well, I taught Harvey everything he knows. 171 00:09:35,960 --> 00:09:41,759 Speaker 3: That's good, so we do want to I like to 172 00:09:41,799 --> 00:09:45,639 teach it backwards, so you work starting with a two 173 00:09:45,639 --> 00:09:50,840 foot putt, in fact, a tapin there's a chapter in 174 00:09:51,440 --> 00:09:54,360 How to Make Every Putt called turning knee knockers into 175 00:09:54,399 --> 00:09:58,039 tap ins, and I put something similar in zen putting, 176 00:09:58,399 --> 00:10:02,639 and that is that you're little tap in strokes. It's 177 00:10:02,919 --> 00:10:05,200 free of worry, it's free of care. You just make 178 00:10:05,240 --> 00:10:09,159 a little swipe, you know, a little back and through 179 00:10:09,279 --> 00:10:13,399 with the putter, and often it represents your best putting stroke. 180 00:10:14,440 --> 00:10:17,200 So when you get four feet away from the hole, 181 00:10:18,080 --> 00:10:20,399 you make your tap in stroke. It's usually enough to 182 00:10:20,440 --> 00:10:22,559 get it all the way to the hole. You'll find 183 00:10:22,600 --> 00:10:24,960 you're making your best stroke that way. So we start 184 00:10:25,000 --> 00:10:27,360 with a tap in and work our way back, and 185 00:10:28,399 --> 00:10:31,000 then you work to long putts. And then if I'm 186 00:10:31,039 --> 00:10:35,159 teaching somebody golf, then I start teaching them with osay 187 00:10:35,200 --> 00:10:38,000 an eight iron from just off the green, but I 188 00:10:38,039 --> 00:10:40,840 have them make a putting stroke with that, and they 189 00:10:40,919 --> 00:10:43,120 begin to see that the ball goes in the air 190 00:10:43,200 --> 00:10:46,039 without them helping it in the air, just by making 191 00:10:46,080 --> 00:10:49,480 a putting stroke along the surface with their eight iron 192 00:10:49,879 --> 00:10:51,840 and then a pitching wedge, and then they start to 193 00:10:51,879 --> 00:10:55,559 get the idea, Oh, I just send the club through 194 00:10:55,559 --> 00:10:58,440 the grass under the ball, and that's what lists the 195 00:10:58,480 --> 00:11:00,200 ball in the air. I don't have to help help 196 00:11:00,200 --> 00:11:03,039 it up. Because helping the ball in the air is 197 00:11:03,080 --> 00:11:07,200 the most common cause of fat shots and top shots. 198 00:11:13,240 --> 00:11:15,840 Speaker 1: To me, the ball going in the cup. That's what 199 00:11:15,919 --> 00:11:18,320 I call the happy sound. I mean, that's what I'm 200 00:11:18,320 --> 00:11:20,919 looking for. I got to hear the happy sound. I'll 201 00:11:20,919 --> 00:11:21,440 tap it in. 202 00:11:21,679 --> 00:11:24,480 Speaker 3: Don't give it to me. In fact, I tell people 203 00:11:24,639 --> 00:11:27,240 in their warm ups for going out before they play, 204 00:11:27,320 --> 00:11:30,320 the last thing they should do is cut a few 205 00:11:30,399 --> 00:11:33,919 two footers because you're not going to miss too many 206 00:11:33,919 --> 00:11:37,320 of those, and so you'll have a feeling of confidence 207 00:11:37,320 --> 00:11:39,600 of both making your put and holding your putt, and 208 00:11:39,639 --> 00:11:42,000 you get to hear that sound again and again and again, 209 00:11:42,159 --> 00:11:44,519 and it's very reinforcing and confidence building. 210 00:11:44,840 --> 00:11:48,679 Speaker 1: Yeah. Absolutely, I mean I should have I wish we 211 00:11:48,679 --> 00:11:51,360 would have had that conversation last week because I should 212 00:11:51,399 --> 00:11:54,200 have done a couple more two footers before my round. 213 00:11:55,840 --> 00:11:58,759 I feel that I have a decent mental game because 214 00:11:58,879 --> 00:12:03,279 I'm a a practitioner of zen golf and all that 215 00:12:03,320 --> 00:12:07,279 you have taught me in your books. But when I 216 00:12:07,360 --> 00:12:10,519 get frustrated, you know, I can let it go. I 217 00:12:10,519 --> 00:12:13,399 can let it go. That's fine. Something happens, it's out 218 00:12:13,399 --> 00:12:15,720 of my control. I'll start laughing about it instead of 219 00:12:15,759 --> 00:12:20,600 screaming and throwing things. But last week I was playing 220 00:12:20,600 --> 00:12:25,360 with a friend. Par three, I hit a great gap 221 00:12:25,399 --> 00:12:29,960 web shot right leaves me four foot from the cup. 222 00:12:30,080 --> 00:12:32,240 I was so excited because my friend put the ball 223 00:12:32,240 --> 00:12:33,960 in the water. Then he put one off the green. 224 00:12:35,360 --> 00:12:39,480 I three putted from four feet and I cannot let 225 00:12:39,480 --> 00:12:42,600 it go. That is the one thing I've been still 226 00:12:42,639 --> 00:12:46,159 frustrated about that round is I three putted from four feet. 227 00:12:46,879 --> 00:12:50,600 Speaker 3: Clearly you can't let it go. Right now, let me 228 00:12:50,679 --> 00:12:52,600 let me guess you didn't leave it short. 229 00:12:54,679 --> 00:12:57,759 Speaker 1: H No, the first one, Nope, on any of them. 230 00:12:59,200 --> 00:13:04,480 Speaker 3: I got it, So you know, you you might have decided, oh, 231 00:13:04,600 --> 00:13:06,480 I'm not sure if there's any break, I'm going to 232 00:13:06,639 --> 00:13:08,440 just aim at the hole and hit it a little 233 00:13:08,440 --> 00:13:10,639 extra firm and make sure I don't take out any 234 00:13:10,639 --> 00:13:15,440 break and then zoom it goes by. And then you 235 00:13:15,480 --> 00:13:19,320 try it again, and well, at least you didn't four putt. 236 00:13:19,639 --> 00:13:19,799 You know. 237 00:13:19,840 --> 00:13:23,519 Speaker 1: That's well, there you go, Okay. I feel so much better. 238 00:13:23,679 --> 00:13:27,000 Speaker 3: Now, you know. In Zen in Zen Golf, there's that 239 00:13:27,120 --> 00:13:31,360 chapter where I tell the story about the two monks 240 00:13:31,399 --> 00:13:35,679 walking around walking down the road and in their monastery 241 00:13:35,799 --> 00:13:38,519 they they've taken a vow of celibacy and also not 242 00:13:38,559 --> 00:13:41,960 to not to even make contact with women. But they 243 00:13:42,039 --> 00:13:45,639 meet this woman in a beautiful silk kimono who's trying 244 00:13:45,639 --> 00:13:49,159 to cross the stream, and one of the monks says, well, 245 00:13:49,200 --> 00:13:51,559 climb on my back, I'll take you across. And he 246 00:13:51,600 --> 00:13:54,120 takes her across the stream and she thanks him and 247 00:13:54,159 --> 00:13:55,759 they go on their way, and the other monk is 248 00:13:56,000 --> 00:13:59,799 very very upset, and he's thinking, how could my brother 249 00:14:00,279 --> 00:14:02,759 have violated his vow and how could he do this? 250 00:14:02,840 --> 00:14:04,679 And am I going to get in trouble if I 251 00:14:04,759 --> 00:14:06,440 tell on him? And then I'm kind of a rat 252 00:14:06,440 --> 00:14:07,759 and I don't want to do that. But if I 253 00:14:07,799 --> 00:14:10,200 don't tell him and people find out, then I'll get 254 00:14:10,240 --> 00:14:13,039 in trouble. And he gets all worked up and upset 255 00:14:13,039 --> 00:14:14,960 it and upset, and about half a mile down the 256 00:14:15,000 --> 00:14:17,840 road he screams out, how could you do that? And 257 00:14:17,879 --> 00:14:20,240 the other the first monk says, do what he says? 258 00:14:20,559 --> 00:14:23,840 That woman? He said, oh her, her? I set her 259 00:14:23,879 --> 00:14:26,759 down when we crossed the stream. Why my brother, are 260 00:14:26,799 --> 00:14:31,360 you still carrying her? I want you to encourage, to 261 00:14:31,480 --> 00:14:37,679 encourage you. You know, what's done is done, and set 262 00:14:37,759 --> 00:14:42,399 it down at the end of that round, and it's 263 00:14:42,399 --> 00:14:46,399 time to move on. Okay, I have a good friend 264 00:14:46,720 --> 00:14:51,120 who says, he says, you know, we think about the past, 265 00:14:51,440 --> 00:14:53,759 and we run it through in our minds again and again, 266 00:14:53,919 --> 00:14:57,960 as if we could change it, as if thinking about 267 00:14:58,000 --> 00:15:00,960 it is going to make it any different. Well, it's 268 00:15:01,000 --> 00:15:05,080 not right. So you have to say, Okay, what can 269 00:15:05,159 --> 00:15:08,320 I learn from that? What I can learn from that 270 00:15:08,600 --> 00:15:10,679 is I have to treat a four foot putt just 271 00:15:10,759 --> 00:15:13,799 like any other putt, And on any other putt, you 272 00:15:13,840 --> 00:15:17,879 don't want to run it four feet by you want 273 00:15:18,159 --> 00:15:19,919 you wanted to go at a pace that it's going 274 00:15:20,000 --> 00:15:22,000 to take it no more than a foot foot and 275 00:15:22,000 --> 00:15:27,159 a half past. Got it? I do. 276 00:15:27,559 --> 00:15:30,559 Speaker 1: I appreciate it, and I promise from now on I'm 277 00:15:30,559 --> 00:15:32,799 going to be putting in a great silk kimono. 278 00:15:33,759 --> 00:15:34,399 Speaker 3: A good plan. 279 00:15:35,879 --> 00:15:37,879 Speaker 1: Let's talk about some of the chapters in this book. 280 00:15:37,960 --> 00:15:42,320 Let's talk about the things that we can learn from 281 00:15:42,360 --> 00:15:44,440 this book that we're going to take away from this book. 282 00:15:45,039 --> 00:15:48,320 And before we do that, I just want to commend 283 00:15:48,360 --> 00:15:52,480 you on this awesome element that you've included at the 284 00:15:52,639 --> 00:15:57,120 end of every chapter. You have QR codes that when 285 00:15:57,200 --> 00:16:01,159 you scan it with your I something or your pocket 286 00:16:01,279 --> 00:16:03,639 phone pad whatever. 287 00:16:03,440 --> 00:16:04,840 Speaker 3: Whatever we use smartphone or. 288 00:16:05,600 --> 00:16:09,759 Speaker 1: Smartphone or device tablet. When you scan that, it'll pop 289 00:16:09,879 --> 00:16:15,440 up a video that shows you basically what the tip 290 00:16:15,480 --> 00:16:17,000 you've been trying to give in that chapter. 291 00:16:18,159 --> 00:16:21,000 Speaker 3: That's right. We don't have for every single chapter, but 292 00:16:21,120 --> 00:16:25,320 many of them have these QR codes, and in a 293 00:16:25,320 --> 00:16:28,960 lot of the chapters, the way the chapters are formatted, 294 00:16:29,080 --> 00:16:32,919 they most of them have a challenge. It talks about 295 00:16:32,960 --> 00:16:35,879 one of the challenges of putting and the solution that 296 00:16:35,919 --> 00:16:40,480 I provide, and often an exercise, a drill, or a demonstration. 297 00:16:40,919 --> 00:16:44,679 So these drills or demonstrations are what we have videos 298 00:16:44,720 --> 00:16:48,799 of on my zenngolf dot com website and they're also 299 00:16:48,840 --> 00:16:52,759 on YouTube. And what will happen is when you scan 300 00:16:52,919 --> 00:16:55,080 the QR code at the end of the chapter, it'll 301 00:16:55,080 --> 00:17:01,080 take you immediately to the video on our site. It'll 302 00:17:01,080 --> 00:17:03,559 take a little bit to download. So what I recommend 303 00:17:03,639 --> 00:17:06,720 is people scan it in first, then read the chapter. 304 00:17:06,759 --> 00:17:09,960 By the time they're done reading the chapter, it'll be 305 00:17:10,599 --> 00:17:13,960 loaded on their computer and they'll be able on their 306 00:17:14,319 --> 00:17:17,240 smartphone or device and they'll be able to play it 307 00:17:17,319 --> 00:17:22,480 and see me demonstrating that particular tip, that particular drill 308 00:17:22,640 --> 00:17:26,640 for that chapter on the ebook. I don't think we're 309 00:17:26,640 --> 00:17:28,559 going to have the QR squares because you have your 310 00:17:28,599 --> 00:17:30,519 e book right there, but it will have a link 311 00:17:30,880 --> 00:17:32,240 to that very same video. 312 00:17:32,599 --> 00:17:34,519 Speaker 1: Oh fabulous. And how long are the. 313 00:17:34,559 --> 00:17:40,000 Speaker 3: Videos anywhere from thirty seconds to a minute. I think 314 00:17:40,000 --> 00:17:42,160 a minute and a half is the longest one. So 315 00:17:42,200 --> 00:17:45,400 they're very short. Yep. You know. The book is written 316 00:17:45,440 --> 00:17:50,680 for our modern generation. No chapter is more than two pages, 317 00:17:51,160 --> 00:17:53,599 so I make the point, I get to the point, 318 00:17:53,680 --> 00:17:56,599 and then go to the next one. And the videos 319 00:17:56,599 --> 00:18:00,799 are the same. They're just very brief drills and administrations 320 00:18:01,160 --> 00:18:02,200 of what's in the chapter. 321 00:18:02,680 --> 00:18:06,680 Speaker 1: Sounds like the keeping the which I appreciate greatly. Keeping 322 00:18:06,680 --> 00:18:11,000 the chapters short, that that was something that you thought 323 00:18:11,359 --> 00:18:13,680 well in advance to make sure that you did. 324 00:18:14,160 --> 00:18:16,440 Speaker 3: That was a planned part of the format. And I 325 00:18:16,480 --> 00:18:19,079 had to edit some of them down and it was 326 00:18:19,119 --> 00:18:22,640 a great exercise because it really it made me take 327 00:18:22,680 --> 00:18:26,039 out any extra stuff, any fluff. You know. It's just 328 00:18:26,599 --> 00:18:30,640 really the key points, raising the questions that golfers have 329 00:18:31,519 --> 00:18:35,960 about putting, answering that question, giving them drills and exercises 330 00:18:36,000 --> 00:18:39,200 to do so. One, two, three, and move on. 331 00:18:39,920 --> 00:18:44,359 Speaker 1: And this book is not just a zen golf type 332 00:18:44,400 --> 00:18:51,200 of putting instruction book you give actual, you know, physical 333 00:18:51,240 --> 00:18:55,279 things to do beyond what's in your head to make 334 00:18:55,319 --> 00:18:56,119 you a better putter. 335 00:18:56,599 --> 00:18:59,119 Speaker 3: Yeah, we include some elements of the stroke in here, 336 00:18:59,799 --> 00:19:04,400 and I develop those in conjunction with people working on 337 00:19:04,640 --> 00:19:11,160 the mechanics of putting. But also, you know, I work 338 00:19:11,240 --> 00:19:14,519 with a lot of different instructors and a lot of 339 00:19:14,599 --> 00:19:19,759 scientists who worked on the mechanics through I think there's 340 00:19:20,160 --> 00:19:23,240 all these putting monitors that they have nowadays that they 341 00:19:23,680 --> 00:19:26,000 and they've come up with really what some of the 342 00:19:26,079 --> 00:19:29,599 key elements are. So I include a few of those, 343 00:19:29,799 --> 00:19:33,200 but I also include options because it is really more 344 00:19:33,240 --> 00:19:37,200 of an art than strictly a science. So when we 345 00:19:37,240 --> 00:19:40,440 talk about the grip, I include lots of different ways 346 00:19:40,480 --> 00:19:45,839 of holding the putter and talk about the fundamental motions. 347 00:19:46,200 --> 00:19:50,480 They're not that different. But the key is that you 348 00:19:50,960 --> 00:19:54,720 want the putter face to be sending the ball directly 349 00:19:54,759 --> 00:19:58,039 on the line perpendicular to the way that face is 350 00:19:58,079 --> 00:20:01,880 set up at address and whatever gets the putter back 351 00:20:01,960 --> 00:20:05,200 to that point that's not a glancing blow, but that 352 00:20:05,240 --> 00:20:08,599 the putter head is moving down the same line and 353 00:20:08,640 --> 00:20:12,599 the face stays square to that line at impact, before 354 00:20:12,680 --> 00:20:17,079 or after it's not as important as at impact that's 355 00:20:17,119 --> 00:20:19,279 going to send the ball where the putter's pointing, And 356 00:20:19,319 --> 00:20:21,920 that's really a key element in the routine that I teach. 357 00:20:28,400 --> 00:20:31,359 Speaker 1: It's more than just the stroke. You get into elements. 358 00:20:31,400 --> 00:20:33,200 And what I'd like to do is if I throw 359 00:20:33,200 --> 00:20:35,599 out a topic, if you can just go ahead and 360 00:20:35,680 --> 00:20:38,960 run with it and I'll pull from the book. Yeah, 361 00:20:39,160 --> 00:20:41,640 I would love to do that. And we don't have 362 00:20:41,680 --> 00:20:43,599 a ton of time left for this episode, but would 363 00:20:43,640 --> 00:20:45,000 you be able to stick around and we'll do a 364 00:20:45,200 --> 00:20:47,000 member's only episode and we can get into a lot 365 00:20:47,039 --> 00:20:47,920 more depth of the book. 366 00:20:48,079 --> 00:20:50,559 Speaker 3: Absolutely, let's do a few now though, Okay. 367 00:20:50,440 --> 00:20:51,720 Speaker 1: Let's do it for a few now, and no. 368 00:20:52,279 --> 00:20:55,240 Speaker 3: Definitely want to get them going on the routine. 369 00:20:55,359 --> 00:20:57,599 Speaker 1: Oh, absolutely, so let's go ahead and do that. Let's 370 00:20:57,599 --> 00:20:59,799 talk about the shot routine. 371 00:21:00,640 --> 00:21:06,880 Speaker 3: Okay. The most important thing is to separate out the elements, 372 00:21:06,880 --> 00:21:09,000 and this is what most people don't do in their 373 00:21:09,039 --> 00:21:12,559 putting routines. You have to separate out the elements. So 374 00:21:12,839 --> 00:21:16,279 when you've taken your practice stroke and you're ready to 375 00:21:16,319 --> 00:21:18,559 address the ball, you have to be done with thinking 376 00:21:18,599 --> 00:21:22,599 about how you're going to make that stroke. You have 377 00:21:22,680 --> 00:21:25,599 to be finished with that and say, okay, that's the 378 00:21:25,640 --> 00:21:27,880 stroke I'm going to put on it, and I give 379 00:21:27,920 --> 00:21:32,720 some ideas in how to make every putt of how 380 00:21:32,759 --> 00:21:37,599 to go about finding your best stroke. Then when you 381 00:21:37,680 --> 00:21:40,039 set the putter and you've taken your stance, you have 382 00:21:40,119 --> 00:21:44,440 to be done with direction. You don't want to be 383 00:21:44,559 --> 00:21:47,480 pushing or pulling any putts, so you make a commitment 384 00:21:48,279 --> 00:21:51,319 to use your stroke to send the ball on the 385 00:21:51,359 --> 00:21:55,880 line where that putter's pointing at address. No push, no pull. 386 00:21:56,319 --> 00:21:59,519 There's a chapter called every putt starts as a straight putt, 387 00:21:59,559 --> 00:22:02,759 and that's really what you want to do. The third 388 00:22:02,799 --> 00:22:06,119 thing is to connect with the distance and only look 389 00:22:06,319 --> 00:22:09,200 for pace, for the feel for the distance, and take 390 00:22:09,240 --> 00:22:11,920 a good long look. Don't just glance at the hole 391 00:22:11,960 --> 00:22:14,960 and then guess how big a stroke to make. Let 392 00:22:15,599 --> 00:22:20,160 your visual connection with the distance imprint that distance as 393 00:22:20,200 --> 00:22:22,839 you look at the hole, or maybe you're not looking 394 00:22:22,880 --> 00:22:24,400 at the hole, maybe you're looking at a point on 395 00:22:24,440 --> 00:22:28,559 the green that you're putting toward. And connect with that distance, 396 00:22:29,000 --> 00:22:31,920 how uphill or downhill, how slower fast the green is, 397 00:22:32,440 --> 00:22:35,839 and really let that sink into your eyes, and your 398 00:22:35,880 --> 00:22:38,839 eye hand coordination will tell your body how big a 399 00:22:38,920 --> 00:22:43,079 stroke to make. And that's really the key part of 400 00:22:43,160 --> 00:22:46,279 the routine. That you imprint the picture and then you 401 00:22:46,400 --> 00:22:50,000 roll it into the picture that you've imprinted, so you're 402 00:22:50,079 --> 00:22:54,480 clear on your stroke. Then you're done with thinking about that, 403 00:22:54,799 --> 00:22:57,519 you're clear on your read, you're done with thinking about that, 404 00:22:57,920 --> 00:22:59,960 and then you only stroke it for the pace. 405 00:23:01,079 --> 00:23:03,960 Speaker 1: When I take a putt, I'll look at it from 406 00:23:04,000 --> 00:23:08,119 different angles, mostly from behind the ball towards the hole, 407 00:23:08,160 --> 00:23:09,319 and then I go to the other side and look 408 00:23:09,359 --> 00:23:13,160 from the hole towards the ball, looking for the angle 409 00:23:13,200 --> 00:23:16,160 that I'm looking at. And then one of the things 410 00:23:16,160 --> 00:23:17,759 that I do, and I'm going to ask you this, 411 00:23:18,279 --> 00:23:20,880 I kind of like I started the hole of the 412 00:23:20,880 --> 00:23:23,599 ball and I count how many steps and I generally 413 00:23:23,680 --> 00:23:26,920 think of each step as one yard. I count, you know, 414 00:23:27,000 --> 00:23:29,759 how many feet do I have? So I can get 415 00:23:29,799 --> 00:23:33,680 that in my head too. Is that a hindrance? 416 00:23:33,759 --> 00:23:34,039 Speaker 3: Is that? 417 00:23:34,160 --> 00:23:36,319 Speaker 1: Am I over Is this overkill? 418 00:23:37,640 --> 00:23:39,400 Speaker 3: Well, that's a good question. I think it has to 419 00:23:39,440 --> 00:23:43,240 do with people's personality. Some people it gives them an 420 00:23:43,240 --> 00:23:46,240 assurance and they feel like, I know this butt, I 421 00:23:46,319 --> 00:23:51,599 know what. I know what A fourteen footer feels like, 422 00:23:52,240 --> 00:23:55,920 I know what a twenty two footer feels like now 423 00:23:55,920 --> 00:23:59,559 you have to make some adjustments for uphill or downhill. 424 00:24:00,039 --> 00:24:03,039 So it can get kind of complicated. But for some 425 00:24:03,160 --> 00:24:08,200 people that might be very helpful and reassuring. Somebody I 426 00:24:08,240 --> 00:24:12,279 don't know, somebody who does a lot of technical work 427 00:24:12,480 --> 00:24:17,119 like editing and producing podcasts, somebody like that, it might 428 00:24:17,160 --> 00:24:22,359 be very helpful. But for somebody else it might add 429 00:24:22,400 --> 00:24:25,240 a complication, and they might it just might clog their 430 00:24:25,279 --> 00:24:30,119 brain and they're thinking about too many things. So if 431 00:24:30,200 --> 00:24:33,119 you're playing catch with somebody and you need to toss 432 00:24:33,160 --> 00:24:35,319 the ball to them, do you have to count Do 433 00:24:35,359 --> 00:24:37,400 you have to pace off how far away they are 434 00:24:37,480 --> 00:24:41,359 before you toss the ball to them? No? Not really. 435 00:24:41,759 --> 00:24:45,599 What as you look at their glove or whatever their 436 00:24:45,599 --> 00:24:50,160 hands they're holding it holding up, and what your eyes see, 437 00:24:51,359 --> 00:24:54,799 your brain translates to a message to your muscles to 438 00:24:54,960 --> 00:24:58,680 throw it this hard, to carry that distance. That's really 439 00:24:58,720 --> 00:25:00,000 all we're trying to do with putting. 440 00:25:00,680 --> 00:25:03,559 Speaker 1: Well, when the golf hole is able to move around 441 00:25:03,640 --> 00:25:06,559 to catch my ball the way somebody with a glove 442 00:25:07,160 --> 00:25:10,039 can do, then I'll be happy not to count it out. 443 00:25:11,920 --> 00:25:15,319 Speaker 3: Well, you know, when when they're forty feet away and 444 00:25:15,400 --> 00:25:18,000 your and the hole is forty feet away. All you're 445 00:25:18,000 --> 00:25:20,359 trying to do is throw it somewhere close to their glove. 446 00:25:20,480 --> 00:25:22,039 And that's all you're trying to do is get it 447 00:25:22,119 --> 00:25:24,920 up there somewhat close to the hole. Now, really that's 448 00:25:24,960 --> 00:25:27,720 not my philosophy on long leg putts. I still want 449 00:25:27,720 --> 00:25:29,880 you to try to be holding it. I want you 450 00:25:29,960 --> 00:25:32,680 to roll the putt in a way that it's going 451 00:25:32,720 --> 00:25:34,960 to finish and you see how it's going to go 452 00:25:35,000 --> 00:25:38,519 in the hole. Because you know, if if you just 453 00:25:38,640 --> 00:25:42,839 barely miss a four and a quarter inch hole, it's 454 00:25:42,880 --> 00:25:45,720 a pretty easy putt. But if you picture, you know, 455 00:25:45,759 --> 00:25:48,799 like some people teach picture of three foot circle around 456 00:25:48,839 --> 00:25:51,680 the hole. If you miss that, then you've got to 457 00:25:51,799 --> 00:25:53,759 then you got to face a little longer putt. So 458 00:25:54,079 --> 00:25:57,640 I'd rather try to get closer and you know, smaller targets, 459 00:25:57,680 --> 00:25:58,519 smaller misses. 460 00:25:59,319 --> 00:26:05,240 Speaker 1: Yeah, And the visualized visualization aspect of it is now 461 00:26:05,240 --> 00:26:09,160 we're getting back into the zen part of putting. 462 00:26:10,599 --> 00:26:14,720 Speaker 3: Right. You want to picture how the ball rolls and 463 00:26:14,759 --> 00:26:17,279 you can run your eyes. You know. I have a 464 00:26:17,279 --> 00:26:21,839 good friend Craig Farnsworth, who is a doctor. 465 00:26:21,839 --> 00:26:24,720 Speaker 1: Farnsworth un putting down and he's at Lakinta. 466 00:26:25,160 --> 00:26:28,319 Speaker 3: Yes, that's right, and he talks about running your eyes 467 00:26:28,400 --> 00:26:30,519 along the path that you see the ball is going 468 00:26:30,559 --> 00:26:34,119 to take in real time, which I really like that, 469 00:26:35,160 --> 00:26:37,640 and it imprints it more in your mind so that 470 00:26:38,039 --> 00:26:40,960 you have a picture, so you don't have just a snapshot. 471 00:26:41,039 --> 00:26:43,559 You have a video in your mind of the ball 472 00:26:43,680 --> 00:26:47,160 rolling out to the hole, and it includes a sense 473 00:26:47,200 --> 00:26:49,920 of how fast the pace needs to be when it starts. 474 00:26:50,559 --> 00:26:53,880 You know, when you start a straight down hill putt, 475 00:26:54,240 --> 00:26:56,720 it doesn't have to be going very fast at the start, 476 00:26:56,799 --> 00:26:58,559 and it's going to hold its speed all the way 477 00:26:58,599 --> 00:27:02,000 to the hole. When you're looking at a straight uphill putt, 478 00:27:02,960 --> 00:27:05,759 you have to give it a pretty good, get good 479 00:27:05,880 --> 00:27:08,119 go at the beginning, and it's going to be rolling 480 00:27:08,200 --> 00:27:10,839 pretty fast the first part of the putt and then 481 00:27:10,920 --> 00:27:13,559 slow down as it gets to the hole. So you 482 00:27:13,640 --> 00:27:16,039 have to be able to picture all of that. Once 483 00:27:16,079 --> 00:27:18,799 you can picture that, then you just give your body 484 00:27:18,839 --> 00:27:21,880 that message and let it re, you know, produce that 485 00:27:21,960 --> 00:27:24,480 picture and roll the ball into that picture. 486 00:27:25,200 --> 00:27:29,559 Speaker 1: Awesome. Well, I want to talk to you about in 487 00:27:29,640 --> 00:27:33,119 our next episode. We're going to talk about reading greens. Okay, 488 00:27:33,279 --> 00:27:35,920 we're going to talk about the best putting routine ever, 489 00:27:35,960 --> 00:27:38,400 which you kind of teased a little bit ago. 490 00:27:38,839 --> 00:27:40,200 Speaker 3: I gave you a little summary of it. 491 00:27:40,359 --> 00:27:43,480 Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, And then I have questions about things that 492 00:27:43,519 --> 00:27:45,759 you said about, you know, laying the scorecard over the 493 00:27:45,799 --> 00:27:48,119 hole or looking at the hole versus looking at the ball. 494 00:27:48,160 --> 00:27:49,559 So I want to go. I want to get into 495 00:27:49,599 --> 00:27:53,599 those things for our members only episode, which we'll published 496 00:27:54,359 --> 00:28:00,200 up next. And I just want to thank also Gotham Book, 497 00:28:00,279 --> 00:28:03,200 that's your publisher, correct, Yeah, I want to thank them 498 00:28:03,240 --> 00:28:05,599 because they sent me two extra copies of the book. 499 00:28:05,720 --> 00:28:08,559 I'm keeping one for myself, but I want to let 500 00:28:09,160 --> 00:28:13,039 our listeners know that the first two and that's all 501 00:28:13,039 --> 00:28:16,400 I can do here. The first two people to sign 502 00:28:16,559 --> 00:28:20,319 up for Golf Smarter for members only for the North 503 00:28:20,319 --> 00:28:24,079 American Plan B will not only get a box of 504 00:28:24,119 --> 00:28:27,279 Dixon win Eco friendly golf balls, but you for that 505 00:28:27,359 --> 00:28:30,880 same amount, you'll also receive the first two you'll receive 506 00:28:31,160 --> 00:28:34,039 a brand new copy hardback of How to Make Every 507 00:28:34,079 --> 00:28:37,000 put The Secret to Winning Golf's Game Within the Game 508 00:28:37,079 --> 00:28:39,000 by Doctor Joseph parent. 509 00:28:40,319 --> 00:28:43,079 Speaker 3: Is That okay, sounds great, sounds good? 510 00:28:43,119 --> 00:28:46,920 Speaker 1: All right, So thanks again and we'll have you back 511 00:28:46,960 --> 00:28:49,359 on our members only episode coming up next week. 512 00:28:50,000 --> 00:29:00,960 Speaker 3: Thanks very much, Fred, always a pleasure talking with you now.