WEBVTT 1 00:00:00.040 --> 00:00:03.000 And then comes Ukraine, and it's a classic David versus 2 00:00:03.000 --> 00:00:05.240 Goliath story. And and I think for a lot of 3 00:00:05.280 --> 00:00:07.919 us it was appealing because this was right versus wrong. 4 00:00:07.960 --> 00:00:11.839 There's no Gray, there's no Murphy, and and and then 5 00:00:11.960 --> 00:00:13.679 then what I think about is the same thing I 6 00:00:13.720 --> 00:00:16.800 thought about about Afghans, who we betrayed, and Kourags we betrayed. 7 00:00:16.800 --> 00:00:19.879 But the betrayal of the Ukrainians. Imagine if you're one 8 00:00:19.920 --> 00:00:21.600 of the one of the members of soft right now 9 00:00:22.199 --> 00:00:24.800 in Europe. I don't think they're in Ukraine, but in Europe, 10 00:00:24.960 --> 00:00:27.120 you know, training Ukraine, as are your CIO officer in 11 00:00:27.879 --> 00:00:30.440 at key station. How do you look at your partners 12 00:00:30.440 --> 00:00:31.440 in the eye this morning? 13 00:00:44.679 --> 00:00:47.479 All right, hey, everybody, welcome to another episode of Eyes 14 00:00:47.560 --> 00:00:50.000 on Very Special. On today we have Jack Murphy and 15 00:00:50.039 --> 00:00:57.719 Mark poly Moropolis, the No Marines, Thank god, uh Locke cooking. 16 00:00:58.039 --> 00:01:00.799 I want to thank Mark of course, Mark, former senior 17 00:01:00.840 --> 00:01:07.680 CIA officer, current national security analyst, an expert. Jack Murphy 18 00:01:07.719 --> 00:01:10.719 of course or do you leader, host of the Teamhouse 19 00:01:10.719 --> 00:01:14.280 and writer of the High Side. Guys, how's it going? 20 00:01:14.400 --> 00:01:17.159 What's happening in the world? Mark? How are you you start? 21 00:01:17.200 --> 00:01:19.319 Because uh, I know you're red hot. 22 00:01:19.760 --> 00:01:21.400 No, so it's good. So you know, I just got 23 00:01:21.439 --> 00:01:23.280 back and I have a little home gym that we 24 00:01:23.359 --> 00:01:25.200 built during COVID, so I was just lifted and I 25 00:01:25.239 --> 00:01:28.319 was listening to French heavy metal go Gyra. So I'm 26 00:01:28.359 --> 00:01:30.640 all fucking jazzed up now. But but I wanted to 27 00:01:30.640 --> 00:01:34.200 say something because every time I come on, I love 28 00:01:34.239 --> 00:01:36.079 coming on the show. I've done this for years. But 29 00:01:36.120 --> 00:01:38.840 I was just out at the University of Colorado at 30 00:01:38.840 --> 00:01:42.359 their RTC program talking to the cadets about leadership. They 31 00:01:42.439 --> 00:01:45.879 they're they're the couple of the army guys, and invited 32 00:01:45.879 --> 00:01:47.359 me out just because they had they had heard me 33 00:01:47.400 --> 00:01:50.079 where on the fucking team house. Literally, I get a 34 00:01:50.079 --> 00:01:52.079 foc ball and said, hey, I heard you in the 35 00:01:52.079 --> 00:01:54.319 team house. I loved your leadership stuff when you come 36 00:01:54.319 --> 00:01:56.719 out and talk to the cadets. So I went out there, 37 00:01:56.760 --> 00:01:59.920 and you all have a huge following, even amongst the 38 00:02:00.319 --> 00:02:03.519 kind of youngsters coming up and so, and I want 39 00:02:03.519 --> 00:02:05.200 to tell you one thing. If you ever go to Colorado, 40 00:02:05.319 --> 00:02:07.239 University of Colorado and Boulder, oh. 41 00:02:07.120 --> 00:02:10.840 My god, what a place that's cool. That's exactly the 42 00:02:10.879 --> 00:02:13.080 type of audience you know that I hope we reach 43 00:02:13.159 --> 00:02:15.840 out to young people who are interested in, you know, 44 00:02:15.919 --> 00:02:18.680 serving their country in some shape or form, and not 45 00:02:19.039 --> 00:02:21.280 to not to really persuade them one way or the other, 46 00:02:21.360 --> 00:02:23.599 but you know, if you're interested in this, here's a 47 00:02:23.599 --> 00:02:25.919 lot of more information. You can listen to someone like 48 00:02:25.960 --> 00:02:29.439 Mark talk about, you know, in depth about the agency 49 00:02:29.560 --> 00:02:32.319 for in his career there, and that can help them 50 00:02:32.319 --> 00:02:34.680 make their decision. So yeah, those are exactly the type 51 00:02:34.680 --> 00:02:35.800 of people you hope you reach to. 52 00:02:36.360 --> 00:02:38.039 And one of those things is that they also with 53 00:02:38.319 --> 00:02:41.000 the cadets told me, and also there was a couple 54 00:02:41.039 --> 00:02:43.400 of jack a couple of army rangers who run the 55 00:02:43.400 --> 00:02:46.159 program there, but they said they loved how you know, 56 00:02:46.360 --> 00:02:50.280 you bring on folks and this probably won't apply today, 57 00:02:50.599 --> 00:02:54.039 but who are a political so, you know, because you 58 00:02:54.120 --> 00:02:57.000 have in kind of the vepro world kind of you know, yeah, yeah, yeah, 59 00:02:57.000 --> 00:02:59.639 people who kind of go crazy on the right, but 60 00:02:59.719 --> 00:03:01.719 you all don't do that, and you bring on people 61 00:03:01.759 --> 00:03:03.879 who serve their country and tell some unique stories and 62 00:03:03.919 --> 00:03:05.879 you try to keep it a political mind. One of 63 00:03:05.919 --> 00:03:08.159 my favorite things is whenever I listened to Team House 64 00:03:08.199 --> 00:03:09.800 and you see one of your guests go down a 65 00:03:09.800 --> 00:03:12.479 certain road and how you and Dave kind of madly 66 00:03:12.520 --> 00:03:14.960 scramble to try to get them back on track. 67 00:03:15.039 --> 00:03:17.479 Yeah, yeah, we're not necessarily trying to go down that road. 68 00:03:18.639 --> 00:03:21.080 But yeah, I mean I think I had a conversation 69 00:03:21.199 --> 00:03:23.759 with Doug Wise a while back where he said something 70 00:03:23.840 --> 00:03:25.479 like that. He's like, this is one of the few 71 00:03:26.199 --> 00:03:32.120 nonpartisan spaces where people from this profession can talk. He's like, 72 00:03:32.159 --> 00:03:34.759 there's not very many of them. 73 00:03:35.080 --> 00:03:37.159 So amen, Amen to you guys. So happy to be 74 00:03:37.199 --> 00:03:38.319 on as always. 75 00:03:39.360 --> 00:03:43.360 And just editors know by design, that's by design. We 76 00:03:43.439 --> 00:03:46.520 do that on purpose. And I'll me and Jack talk 77 00:03:46.560 --> 00:03:50.360 about this offline all the time that it hinders and 78 00:03:50.479 --> 00:03:54.000 has hindered our growth. Oh sure, we're going to keep 79 00:03:54.039 --> 00:03:56.120 it like that, even if it means less money in 80 00:03:56.159 --> 00:03:57.879 our pockets. Clear, you know what I mean, Like, we're 81 00:03:57.879 --> 00:04:00.680 never gonna just colt how so. 82 00:04:00.879 --> 00:04:03.599 Yeah, I mean this is like a little aside, a 83 00:04:03.599 --> 00:04:06.439 little like anecdote that maybe means nothing to anyone at 84 00:04:06.439 --> 00:04:09.599 this point. But you know, many years ago I fell 85 00:04:09.680 --> 00:04:15.919 into the circle of Ginny Thomas, the Supreme Court Justice's wife, 86 00:04:16.160 --> 00:04:18.480 who is quite a sort of an activist. Not that 87 00:04:18.519 --> 00:04:20.560 I ever met her or anything like that, but she 88 00:04:20.680 --> 00:04:22.839 was emailing me and trying to get me to testify 89 00:04:22.879 --> 00:04:25.079 in front of Congress, trying to get me to talk 90 00:04:25.120 --> 00:04:28.079 to sixty minutes and all these other people. Not that 91 00:04:28.160 --> 00:04:30.759 I'm have a problem talking to Congress or journalists, but 92 00:04:30.839 --> 00:04:32.720 I realized at that point, I was like, if I 93 00:04:32.879 --> 00:04:35.839 do this, I'm allowing myself to become a political tool 94 00:04:36.439 --> 00:04:38.160 and the entire rest of my life is going to 95 00:04:38.199 --> 00:04:42.839 be different. And I was probably like I was still young. 96 00:04:42.920 --> 00:04:44.800 I mean I was like thirty or something like that, 97 00:04:44.920 --> 00:04:47.160 and I was just like, this isn't the road I 98 00:04:47.199 --> 00:04:48.959 want to go down. You know. 99 00:04:49.079 --> 00:04:52.639 One of the interesting things is I obviously has denoted 100 00:04:52.639 --> 00:04:54.959 I you know, I do some media commentary and I 101 00:04:55.000 --> 00:04:58.319 have a contract with MSNBC, so you know, take it 102 00:04:58.399 --> 00:05:00.800 whatever you want to take it in terms of ideology. 103 00:05:00.800 --> 00:05:05.160 But if people actually watched my my hits during the 104 00:05:05.480 --> 00:05:08.879 Afghan withdrawal, I was savage against the Biden administration for 105 00:05:08.959 --> 00:05:11.439 how they hose this up. And so I think, you know, 106 00:05:11.600 --> 00:05:14.000 one of the things that I try to do is 107 00:05:14.000 --> 00:05:15.279 is you know, call it like I see it, and 108 00:05:15.279 --> 00:05:17.560 that's what I think you all do as well. And 109 00:05:17.600 --> 00:05:19.319 so that's just that's just kind of a smart place 110 00:05:19.360 --> 00:05:22.959 to be that if you find yourselves being hated by everybody, 111 00:05:23.720 --> 00:05:25.279 it can be loved by everybody too. But if if 112 00:05:25.319 --> 00:05:28.160 you if you annoyed both the right and the left, Jack, 113 00:05:28.399 --> 00:05:32.240 I think you've probably done your job. That's the place 114 00:05:32.279 --> 00:05:32.480 to be. 115 00:05:32.680 --> 00:05:35.439 But I will say, though you know, all of that said, 116 00:05:35.800 --> 00:05:39.800 I also have felt in the you know, over the 117 00:05:39.839 --> 00:05:44.279 last month or so, that maybe it's more important, not 118 00:05:44.319 --> 00:05:47.879 necessarily to get partisan, but like I'm seeing things that 119 00:05:47.920 --> 00:05:49.759 I think are pretty messed up, and I think it's 120 00:05:49.759 --> 00:05:53.000 important that we say they're messed up, like this isn't cool, 121 00:05:53.079 --> 00:05:56.959 this isn't okay. And and I don't think it's necessarily 122 00:05:57.000 --> 00:05:59.160 a left or a right issue, like we'll talk about 123 00:05:59.240 --> 00:06:02.079 Ukraine in a little that, Like it's not necessarily a 124 00:06:02.160 --> 00:06:05.920 left or right issue. It's just like this is stupid. 125 00:06:05.560 --> 00:06:07.160 Well right, I mean, I have to you know, half 126 00:06:07.160 --> 00:06:10.800 of my friends are Republicans, uh, And I spend half 127 00:06:10.839 --> 00:06:14.319 of my day on signal chats saying, really, this is 128 00:06:14.360 --> 00:06:17.160 really what you signed up for? You know, Trump siding 129 00:06:17.160 --> 00:06:21.480 with Putin or you know, uh, you know threatening to 130 00:06:21.519 --> 00:06:25.839 fire the probationary officers at the CIA or or the 131 00:06:25.839 --> 00:06:28.480 special agents at the FBI. I mean these are actually 132 00:06:28.519 --> 00:06:32.879 not conservative principles from what's happening right now. So I'd 133 00:06:33.000 --> 00:06:33.600 very comfortable. 134 00:06:33.680 --> 00:06:36.439 The question is what are what are you trying to conserve, 135 00:06:37.240 --> 00:06:39.279 because it doesn't seem like they're trying to conserve the 136 00:06:39.360 --> 00:06:42.199 United States government or constitution at this moment. 137 00:06:42.879 --> 00:06:46.040 Look, government, you know, government sucks until you know, planes 138 00:06:46.040 --> 00:06:48.160 start falling out of the sky and terrorist attacks happened 139 00:06:48.160 --> 00:06:50.079 in the United States and your VHX don't get to you, 140 00:06:50.120 --> 00:06:52.800 and then there's a fricking measles or burf flu epidemic 141 00:06:53.759 --> 00:06:55.959 and you know your kids are sick, and so you 142 00:06:56.000 --> 00:06:57.839 know this kind of you know, war on government I 143 00:06:57.879 --> 00:07:00.759 find ludicrous. We won't. We want to reform government. Everybody does. 144 00:07:00.879 --> 00:07:02.920 If you actually worked, you know, you were in the military, 145 00:07:03.040 --> 00:07:05.519 I was in the CIA. I could spend five hours 146 00:07:05.560 --> 00:07:07.560 telling you all the reforms that are needed. You probably 147 00:07:07.600 --> 00:07:09.519 could do the same thing. We could have a whole 148 00:07:09.519 --> 00:07:12.720 podcast in the Pentagon procurement process, which is, you know, 149 00:07:12.800 --> 00:07:15.680 do we need giant aircraft carriers? I mean, look look 150 00:07:15.720 --> 00:07:19.399 at Ukraine and you know the explosion in indigenously produced 151 00:07:19.480 --> 00:07:22.279 drones that are having effects on the battlefield. So you know, 152 00:07:22.360 --> 00:07:24.600 reform is really good. But this is this is kind 153 00:07:24.639 --> 00:07:27.360 of the and I called the wet dream of the 154 00:07:27.439 --> 00:07:30.439 Chinese or Russian intelligence services. It looks like a COVID 155 00:07:30.439 --> 00:07:33.399 action plan to like destroy the US government. 156 00:07:34.279 --> 00:07:37.319 Yeah, I mean that's the thing. If you had infiltrated 157 00:07:37.360 --> 00:07:40.240 your people into the United States government, you know, like 158 00:07:40.360 --> 00:07:43.600 j Edgar Hoover suspected, this is exactly what they would 159 00:07:43.600 --> 00:07:47.000 be doing. They'd be flipping all the switches off, unplugging things, 160 00:07:47.360 --> 00:07:50.319 firing people, just like jamming up the works so that 161 00:07:50.360 --> 00:07:51.199 nothing can happen. 162 00:07:51.879 --> 00:07:53.759 Let me say that the you know, I have lots 163 00:07:53.759 --> 00:07:55.879 of friends in the FBI who all believe in the 164 00:07:55.879 --> 00:07:58.319 need for reform. But the idea that you're going to 165 00:07:58.360 --> 00:08:00.360 take it's it's six thousand FBI per some of the 166 00:08:00.360 --> 00:08:03.240 work on personnel who worked on January six cases, nine 167 00:08:03.360 --> 00:08:06.800 hundred special agents. The list of them went down to 168 00:08:06.839 --> 00:08:10.480 this kind of weird omb elon Musk thing which we 169 00:08:10.480 --> 00:08:12.839 don't really know is secure or not, and then and 170 00:08:12.839 --> 00:08:15.319 to DJ. But one thing that I don't know if 171 00:08:15.319 --> 00:08:17.839 the American people realize, is that the agents involved in 172 00:08:17.879 --> 00:08:20.199 the January sixth cases were taken from the Joint Terrorism 173 00:08:20.199 --> 00:08:22.959 Task Forces because they considered it domestic terrorism. 174 00:08:22.800 --> 00:08:23.319 Which they were. 175 00:08:23.560 --> 00:08:25.720 They were taken from all over Mark. I mean like 176 00:08:25.759 --> 00:08:27.639 that sucked up like a third of the eighth of 177 00:08:27.680 --> 00:08:28.160 the bureau. 178 00:08:28.519 --> 00:08:30.720 But if you end up getting rid of these people, 179 00:08:31.480 --> 00:08:34.080 you know that that's gutting the jttfs around the country. 180 00:08:34.080 --> 00:08:36.879 It's also doing two other things. One is their existing 181 00:08:36.919 --> 00:08:39.360 case load, what happens to it? But number two and 182 00:08:39.600 --> 00:08:42.519 I don't think this has been talked enough about do 183 00:08:42.559 --> 00:08:45.240 you really want and you know, think about things we 184 00:08:45.279 --> 00:08:48.480 did overseas when we're trying to advise reformer security services. 185 00:08:48.480 --> 00:08:51.120 Here's what you don't do. You don't throw you know, 186 00:08:51.279 --> 00:08:54.519 six thousand FBI personnel or two thousand CIA officers out 187 00:08:54.519 --> 00:08:58.639 in the streets overnight were angry. That's a counterintelligence disaster. 188 00:08:59.120 --> 00:09:02.519 I'm not talking about civil you know, civil unrest. People 189 00:09:02.559 --> 00:09:06.360 without with with mortgages to pay, with top secret clearances, 190 00:09:06.840 --> 00:09:09.759 who need healthcare, and who when they get when they 191 00:09:09.799 --> 00:09:13.279 get hit up on LinkedIn by a consulting firm located 192 00:09:13.279 --> 00:09:16.960 in Dubai that wants their uh you know, their their services, 193 00:09:17.039 --> 00:09:20.360 it's the Chinese intelligence organizations who are going to hit 194 00:09:20.399 --> 00:09:22.600 them up. So there's so many second order effects of 195 00:09:22.679 --> 00:09:26.000 just a lot of these really ill thought out moves. 196 00:09:26.039 --> 00:09:28.440 And but again I don't see a whole lot of 197 00:09:28.440 --> 00:09:31.440 pushback from from the Republicans, and I guess the American 198 00:09:31.480 --> 00:09:33.799 people think it's okay. There's CBS News poll from last 199 00:09:33.799 --> 00:09:36.440 week said Trumpet a fifty three percent approval rating, which 200 00:09:36.480 --> 00:09:39.919 means this shit's going to keep going until something bad happens. 201 00:09:40.600 --> 00:09:43.960 Yeah, I mean, maybe maybe I'm the one that's out 202 00:09:43.960 --> 00:09:46.120 of touch, right, you know, like you start to wonder 203 00:09:46.159 --> 00:09:49.559 this at all. You know, you mentioned earlier, like maybe 204 00:09:49.639 --> 00:09:51.960 America isn't the country that we thought it was, it's 205 00:09:52.000 --> 00:09:56.399 actually something different. It seems like we're in this point, 206 00:09:56.519 --> 00:10:01.879 this error right now, where people people who are intimidated 207 00:10:01.960 --> 00:10:05.600 by complexity, where I think the information environment has become 208 00:10:05.679 --> 00:10:09.519 so overwhelming that everyone wants to distill it down and 209 00:10:09.559 --> 00:10:13.879 you know, quote unquote common sense, and you know, you 210 00:10:13.919 --> 00:10:19.480 can that complexity and that information environment makes people feel uncomfortable. 211 00:10:19.879 --> 00:10:23.039 But when you start trying to eliminate it, I mean, 212 00:10:23.080 --> 00:10:26.559 the way the globalized world works today, I mean, we 213 00:10:26.639 --> 00:10:28.679 can't go back to the Stone Age, like it's not 214 00:10:28.799 --> 00:10:31.279 possible at this point. I mean not without you know, 215 00:10:31.440 --> 00:10:33.879 catastrophe and apocalypse happening. 216 00:10:34.679 --> 00:10:37.200 Right right, and so you know, so we're left with 217 00:10:37.320 --> 00:10:39.519 a time in which we are kind of battling for 218 00:10:39.720 --> 00:10:42.320 the truth. I mean, you know, I mean, you know, 219 00:10:42.600 --> 00:10:44.720 I think de follows me on Twitter, probably more than 220 00:10:44.720 --> 00:10:46.919 you do. But I threw a fit and kind of 221 00:10:46.919 --> 00:10:48.639 said I wouldn't go on Twitter anymore a couple of 222 00:10:48.639 --> 00:10:49.759 months ago, and now I'm back on. 223 00:10:50.240 --> 00:10:52.000 Jack's been good, he's out, he's not. 224 00:10:53.039 --> 00:10:55.919 And look, trust me, I get more hate mail and 225 00:10:55.960 --> 00:10:58.480 death threats on Twitter. Some of them are funny. I 226 00:10:58.480 --> 00:11:00.519 think I might have told you guys, someone called me 227 00:11:00.600 --> 00:11:03.960 an is Lomist communist one time, and that I should have. 228 00:11:04.080 --> 00:11:06.080 But I don't really know what an is Lomist communist 229 00:11:06.120 --> 00:11:08.440 actually is because it kind of doesn't exist. 230 00:11:08.519 --> 00:11:11.519 I mean, people, people are so brainwashed. I mean we 231 00:11:11.519 --> 00:11:14.320 we will do an interview with, you know, a woman 232 00:11:14.360 --> 00:11:16.200 who served in the army, and you get a bunch 233 00:11:16.279 --> 00:11:19.279 of comments like, oh, this is the DEI podcast. I 234 00:11:19.320 --> 00:11:21.919 was like, you're just the water buffalo, Like you can't 235 00:11:21.960 --> 00:11:26.320 think for yourself at all. You're just regurgitating propaganda like 236 00:11:26.320 --> 00:11:27.159 like a communist. 237 00:11:28.159 --> 00:11:29.840 One of the things that I've done is I talked 238 00:11:29.879 --> 00:11:34.080 to I do a lot of talks to college students 239 00:11:34.320 --> 00:11:37.080 who are interested in national security careers and and I 240 00:11:37.080 --> 00:11:38.679 had a line in this and I kept it. I 241 00:11:38.720 --> 00:11:40.320 was brave, I was, you know, it's just at the 242 00:11:40.360 --> 00:11:43.360 University of Colorado recently, and I say, you know, I 243 00:11:43.399 --> 00:11:46.799 actually say, diversity, you know, is our superpower. That, of 244 00:11:46.840 --> 00:11:49.759 course is exactly what Pete Hegseth, new Secretary of Defense said, 245 00:11:49.759 --> 00:11:51.879 and his hearing, he said we should never say that again. 246 00:11:52.360 --> 00:11:54.440 And I disagree, and I just I tell the students 247 00:11:54.440 --> 00:11:57.240 why is because on the streets of places like Moscow 248 00:11:57.279 --> 00:12:00.440 and Damascus, the most sensitive assets are off and handled 249 00:12:00.440 --> 00:12:03.759 by female case officers. If you serve and you know 250 00:12:03.799 --> 00:12:06.000 work and serve in the Middle East, and you're a 251 00:12:06.000 --> 00:12:08.360 CIO officer, and you guys know this, but you know, 252 00:12:08.399 --> 00:12:10.279 for the audience, if you go out and what's called 253 00:12:10.320 --> 00:12:13.039 a surveillance detection route, it's the idea of you know, 254 00:12:13.080 --> 00:12:16.320 making sure you don't take surveillance the bad guys to 255 00:12:16.360 --> 00:12:19.200 your agent meeting. If you have a female officer in 256 00:12:19.240 --> 00:12:21.159 a full of baya, guess what they're not going to do. 257 00:12:21.200 --> 00:12:23.799 They're not going to get caught. We need to have 258 00:12:23.879 --> 00:12:25.960 female officers, We need to have people who don't look 259 00:12:26.000 --> 00:12:28.799 like the three of us on this program. I remember, 260 00:12:28.919 --> 00:12:31.440 you know, so many instances in which we had this 261 00:12:31.559 --> 00:12:36.080 ethnically diverse station in which they spoke different languages. And 262 00:12:36.559 --> 00:12:38.159 the reason, one of the reasons why we didn't get 263 00:12:38.200 --> 00:12:40.600 caught was good trade craft, but also is because we 264 00:12:40.639 --> 00:12:43.679 could look differently on the street. That's the best athlete approach, 265 00:12:43.720 --> 00:12:46.279 and that's where diversity is great. But when you hear 266 00:12:46.320 --> 00:12:49.039 things like the Pentagon is not going to these there's 267 00:12:49.080 --> 00:12:52.679 just a news article that they're not going to this. 268 00:12:53.159 --> 00:12:55.720 I guess it was engineering conference or event at a 269 00:12:55.840 --> 00:12:59.639 historically black college or something in which used to be 270 00:12:59.639 --> 00:13:01.600 a very a kind of recruiting tool for the military. 271 00:13:01.600 --> 00:13:04.159 Well they can't go anymore because of the anti woke, 272 00:13:04.480 --> 00:13:07.879 you know, anti DEI stuff that's insane. You know, we're 273 00:13:07.879 --> 00:13:09.879 going to end up and your some of your listeners 274 00:13:09.879 --> 00:13:11.399 are gonna go crazy when I say this. We're gonna 275 00:13:11.440 --> 00:13:15.279 end up with an all white intelligence and military if 276 00:13:15.279 --> 00:13:17.320 we kind of go down these paths of you know what, 277 00:13:17.440 --> 00:13:20.480 we can't celebrate you know, Black History Month. You know, 278 00:13:20.519 --> 00:13:22.840 you can't have a women's counsel and even you know 279 00:13:23.039 --> 00:13:25.480 at the Agency, when I go into these colleges and 280 00:13:25.519 --> 00:13:27.639 I talk to folks, and a female officer of a 281 00:13:27.679 --> 00:13:30.559 female candidate would come up and say, is is CIA 282 00:13:30.559 --> 00:13:32.200 a comfortable place for women? And I said, you know, 283 00:13:32.279 --> 00:13:35.679 it's gotten better. We've had sexual harassment scandals. But here's why, 284 00:13:35.759 --> 00:13:39.240 because we really cannot you. You know, female officers have 285 00:13:39.360 --> 00:13:41.440 kind of a tremendous advantage in some places. But also, 286 00:13:41.480 --> 00:13:43.679 you know what, there's a women's council at the CIA. 287 00:13:43.759 --> 00:13:46.320 You will have a group outside of work where you 288 00:13:46.320 --> 00:13:50.519 can talk to people that doesn't exist anymore. That's crazy. So, 289 00:13:50.720 --> 00:13:53.240 you know, is the DEI stuff annoying? Sometimes? Sure it is. 290 00:13:53.320 --> 00:13:55.080 I went through all this stuff. I was told in 291 00:13:55.120 --> 00:13:57.080 a three day seminar that I was a racist. It 292 00:13:57.159 --> 00:13:59.600 was annoying. Did it stop me from spying? 293 00:13:59.720 --> 00:13:59.799 No? 294 00:14:00.480 --> 00:14:03.399 And so the pendulum is lung so wildly, you know, 295 00:14:03.720 --> 00:14:07.039 in which we blame plane crashes on DEI stuff. This 296 00:14:07.159 --> 00:14:07.759 is crazy. 297 00:14:08.480 --> 00:14:09.159 I was blaming. 298 00:14:09.240 --> 00:14:11.840 Should it be reformed? Yes? You know? Now it's like that. 299 00:14:11.840 --> 00:14:14.840 The it explains all of our ills of society. 300 00:14:14.639 --> 00:14:17.960 You know, blaming, blaming women and black people, like punching 301 00:14:18.000 --> 00:14:20.480 down like that is about the most pathetic thing that 302 00:14:20.559 --> 00:14:23.799 I can possibly imagine. That's it's kind of sad that 303 00:14:23.840 --> 00:14:27.320 there are these dudes that are just so intimidated by, 304 00:14:27.480 --> 00:14:29.600 you know, a country that is changing that you know, 305 00:14:29.600 --> 00:14:32.039 we're seeing like a backlash. 306 00:14:31.480 --> 00:14:32.320 Stuffs like you. 307 00:14:32.399 --> 00:14:34.320 I mean, are you sire melting right? 308 00:14:34.600 --> 00:14:37.519 You want to be this badass motherfucker in Special Forces 309 00:14:37.639 --> 00:14:40.440 or in the CIA, and you can't take a two 310 00:14:40.519 --> 00:14:42.600 day class on DEI and that's going to cause you 311 00:14:42.639 --> 00:14:45.639 to quit. I mean, this is crazy, it's annoying it. 312 00:14:46.279 --> 00:14:49.600 But I mean a couple I talked to one person 313 00:14:49.639 --> 00:14:53.879 who worked for uh, let's just say Protective Detail at 314 00:14:53.879 --> 00:14:56.960 the State Department, right, and he's in He thought, dee, 315 00:14:57.120 --> 00:14:59.720 I was stupid, but it was also just a block 316 00:14:59.759 --> 00:15:04.279 on evaluation, yes, and it said something about like are 317 00:15:04.320 --> 00:15:07.240 you inclusive with your team members and bringing them into 318 00:15:07.240 --> 00:15:09.519 the fold or something like that. He's like, it's dumb, 319 00:15:09.799 --> 00:15:13.080 but it didn't affect his job in any way. Or 320 00:15:13.720 --> 00:15:18.320 up at at Special Operations Command, they had a office 321 00:15:18.559 --> 00:15:22.480 with a DEI office with nine employees working in it, 322 00:15:22.799 --> 00:15:28.399 run by a PhD. They all got fired. And I mean, 323 00:15:28.440 --> 00:15:30.919 I don't really have a problem with that either, because 324 00:15:31.320 --> 00:15:33.639 no one I've spoken to knows what the hell these 325 00:15:33.759 --> 00:15:37.200 nine people did up there. So I mean, I don't 326 00:15:37.240 --> 00:15:39.759 think DEI is something that's going to be missed as 327 00:15:39.759 --> 00:15:42.799 it goes away. There's gonna be some other things, you know, 328 00:15:42.879 --> 00:15:45.639 like I should point out the Equal Opportunity REP is 329 00:15:45.639 --> 00:15:48.200 still up there at SOCOM, so I mean that's and 330 00:15:48.240 --> 00:15:53.519 that was always separate from DEI. So I mean, yeah, absolutely, 331 00:15:53.519 --> 00:15:56.639 I think it's important that we recruit, you know, from 332 00:15:56.639 --> 00:16:01.480 a diverse population. But yeah, d I mean, it's like 333 00:16:01.519 --> 00:16:04.720 you said, I don't think it was like destroying or 334 00:16:04.720 --> 00:16:07.440 helping America. It was more like something that was like 335 00:16:07.600 --> 00:16:08.279 kind of annoying. 336 00:16:08.799 --> 00:16:11.600 So so fix it, you know. But but you know, 337 00:16:11.840 --> 00:16:14.720 you know, Musk's kind of preoccupation with this anti woke 338 00:16:14.759 --> 00:16:17.799 stuff and that or that if Pete Hexast thinks that 339 00:16:17.840 --> 00:16:21.759 this is actually what you know, has affective military readiness 340 00:16:22.039 --> 00:16:24.440 is insane. Let me just you know, my friends who 341 00:16:24.480 --> 00:16:26.360 have served that you know in the US Navy who 342 00:16:26.399 --> 00:16:28.799 just got back. These are some young folks who were 343 00:16:28.799 --> 00:16:31.519 you know, you know, driving a ship in the in 344 00:16:31.600 --> 00:16:33.440 the you know, in the Pacific somewhere says, you know what, 345 00:16:33.480 --> 00:16:36.600 our fucking ships are falling apart. I'm sorry, that's not 346 00:16:36.679 --> 00:16:40.120 because of de I you know, there's there's something fundamentally, uh, 347 00:16:40.519 --> 00:16:45.080 the fundamental reform that that certainly needs to take place 348 00:16:45.080 --> 00:16:46.120 in it within within. 349 00:16:46.480 --> 00:16:48.399 It goes back to what I said about people being 350 00:16:48.399 --> 00:16:53.000 intimidated by complexity. Like, right, yes, sorting the navy is 351 00:16:53.039 --> 00:16:57.879 a big, complicated, expensive endeavor. It's a lot easier to 352 00:16:57.919 --> 00:17:00.960 just blame transsexuals and be like, hey, the transsexuals. They 353 00:17:01.240 --> 00:17:02.120 destroyed the navy. 354 00:17:03.279 --> 00:17:04.759 You know that one of the I was out west 355 00:17:05.240 --> 00:17:07.279 of a while ago and someone was railing to me about, 356 00:17:07.480 --> 00:17:10.240 you know, trans athletes and high school sports, and I said, 357 00:17:10.279 --> 00:17:12.640 I said, you realize in Utah there's four of them, 358 00:17:12.839 --> 00:17:16.039 Like literally this this might have decided the presidential election. Yeah. 359 00:17:16.279 --> 00:17:18.119 Remember the Super Bowl ad that everyone like? 360 00:17:18.160 --> 00:17:19.319 That ad was incredible? 361 00:17:20.000 --> 00:17:22.400 Uh, And so the Republicans ran this ad. But I mean, 362 00:17:22.680 --> 00:17:26.319 this is like five thousand on the list of important 363 00:17:26.359 --> 00:17:30.039 things in America. It's not a voting. Oh come on, 364 00:17:31.519 --> 00:17:34.000 let's see, let's let's get us back on track. Let's talk. 365 00:17:34.119 --> 00:17:39.519 Yeah, let's yeah. So yesterday the US delegation included Mark, 366 00:17:39.599 --> 00:17:45.680 Rubio and Lavarov met in Saudi Arabia with UH was 367 00:17:45.839 --> 00:17:46.880 MBS at the meeting. 368 00:17:47.960 --> 00:17:50.359 I don't think so oh no, no, no, no, they 369 00:17:50.599 --> 00:17:51.319 met before with. 370 00:17:51.319 --> 00:17:53.440 Him, Okay. So and they had a four and a 371 00:17:53.480 --> 00:17:58.559 half hour meeting and they came out Uh. I mean, 372 00:17:58.599 --> 00:18:01.240 if you're a supporter of you, I wouldn't say it 373 00:18:01.279 --> 00:18:04.440 was a pro Ukrainian meeting. Uh. I think that's fair 374 00:18:04.480 --> 00:18:08.480 to say. You know, they came out saying that Ukraine 375 00:18:08.519 --> 00:18:10.559 needs to have made concessions and stuff like that. It 376 00:18:10.559 --> 00:18:12.680 looked like a hostage video with Marko Rubio with the 377 00:18:12.720 --> 00:18:18.440 Russian delegates. Yeah, so that's where we're at. There. There's 378 00:18:18.480 --> 00:18:20.920 some word that Putin and Trump are gonna meet within 379 00:18:20.960 --> 00:18:25.480 the month. Again, I don't know where it came out. 380 00:18:25.559 --> 00:18:27.960 Very pro Russia, I mean, and I told Jack this 381 00:18:29.039 --> 00:18:31.319 before the meeting, like they're gonna go into that meeting 382 00:18:31.440 --> 00:18:33.319 and come out with a different set of a new 383 00:18:33.359 --> 00:18:37.000 set of talking points, and it's gonna get disseminated out 384 00:18:37.160 --> 00:18:38.799 and these are gonna be the new talking points of 385 00:18:38.799 --> 00:18:41.640 what Zelenski's gonna have to do without Ukraine and without 386 00:18:41.720 --> 00:18:48.200 European representation at these meetings. So that's where we're at, Mark. 387 00:18:49.240 --> 00:18:51.440 So let me just start off this off again because 388 00:18:51.599 --> 00:18:53.599 I think Jack made a good point that we have 389 00:18:53.680 --> 00:18:56.319 to criticize things that that we see are wrong. But 390 00:18:56.359 --> 00:18:58.279 you almost make this on a non partisan basis. So 391 00:18:58.319 --> 00:19:00.440 I'll say that, you know, if you were Donald Reagan 392 00:19:00.480 --> 00:19:03.160 or John McCain, you'd be horrified at what was the 393 00:19:03.160 --> 00:19:06.279 betrayal of Ukraine and the resuscitation, the rehabilitation of a 394 00:19:06.279 --> 00:19:10.039 war criminal. It's Vladimir Putin. Yesterday was kind of the 395 00:19:10.039 --> 00:19:14.160 culmination of a shocking week in which the US policy 396 00:19:14.240 --> 00:19:17.279 foreign policy changed dramatically. You know, we were the ally 397 00:19:17.319 --> 00:19:19.640 of the Ukrainians. We spent sixty billion dollars to a 398 00:19:19.720 --> 00:19:22.359 triit the Ukrainian military fifty percent. Not a single US 399 00:19:22.440 --> 00:19:27.759 soldier was killed. Russia is our enemy everything from of 400 00:19:27.799 --> 00:19:31.000 course their invasion of Ukraine to you know, sabotage and 401 00:19:31.039 --> 00:19:35.079