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Speaker 1: What is up? Fellas it goes? I am Damn Valley

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coming at you with more Jensen of NBA, the NBA Podcast,

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Name of the Actors, Sports Fame, of Sports Fame, and

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of Omni Dans Celebrity. We are here to take a

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break from talking about the playoffs because the NBA Draft

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Lottery is coming up more and so we have a

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really complex, scientific data backed question that we are going

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to ask and then use it to talk about all

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these teams that will be in the running for the lottery.

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That question, everybody, buckle up, strap in if you haven't

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already mm hm which.

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Speaker 2: Wait wait wait wait wait wait you built you need

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to build up some more. Come on, come on, you

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need to build it up even more than that. Look,

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this is the question. This is This has to be

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life changing to everyone listening in. You're you're already on track, Like,

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just just bring it home, Dan.

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Speaker 1: The answer to this question will quite literally determine whether

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the NBA exists in the next five years.

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Speaker 3: Right, the fate of the universe.

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Speaker 1: Actually, which NBA Draft Lottery team more needs Cooper flag

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the most on question? Number one, top prospect, He's going

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number one. I know everyone's probably just that they can't

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even wrap their heads around how mind melting that question was.

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So we're gonna go through each of these teams and

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just talk about it. We'll deliver our verdict at the end.

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Is the one team we're kind of just looking at.

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I don't know if there's any note you want to

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have before we dig in here, but we're just looking

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at the setup of the team where it's not where

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necessarily I guess it. I'm factoring in everything when I

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looked at this and prep for it, it's yeah, okay,

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the Cooper flag fit, but like, do they have any

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other blue chip cornerstones on the roster, Like I'm gonna

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a team like let's use this burs as an example.

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They win the lottery and have Cooper Flag, that kind

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of feels like cheating, Like they don't need Cooper Flag, Like, yeah,

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he might be fun as hell there, but the need

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level of Cooper Flag is not as high for a

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team that might not have let's say, the face of

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its future or a candidate for that spot in place.

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Speaker 2: I love how you look at it through that prison

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because I have it attacked it from a different approach.

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I'm gonna I'm looking at the state of a franchise,

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not in terms of like roster construction, but like how

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sad is your franchise? Really? That's that's like.

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Speaker 1: The same thing, is it?

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Speaker 2: Though?

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Speaker 1: Well, because the Spurs aren't gonna ran high on your

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sadness scale?

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Speaker 3: Are they correct? They're not just proved.

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Speaker 1: I just proved that point, then that's.

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Speaker 2: True, but like there are other situations there and also

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like goodwill. Like sometimes it's like before exam, do I

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want to reward the Philadelphia seventy six ers with this?

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Speaker 3: Do I want to give them a bailout option here?

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Speaker 1: But I don't. Again, they're a team that has cornerstone

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options in place already, though, so I feel like we

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might be We're tackling it from different perspectives, but I

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feel like we're gonna end up with close to this.

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I bet you I could pick which team I could

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narrow down to one or two, two or three teams

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that I know you're gonna select is but neither. But

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let's go through this exercise rather than spoil it. We

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begin speaking of sad franceranchises with the Charlotte Hornets. They

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have a fourteen percent chance of winning the lottery one

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of three teams that have a fourteen percent chance. When

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you look at this is now, this is the team

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that I could see ourselves disagreeing on, that's for sure.

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When you look at what they have in place where

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it feels like the base of their core is Brandon

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Miller LaMelo ball and that's it. Like you can't throw

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t John Salon in there, and you definitely can't throw

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Mark Williams in there when they tried to trade him.

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throw him in there more?

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Speaker 3: What like K Simpson?

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Speaker 1: I mean it'd be nice if he passed every once

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Speaker 3: But anyway, that'd be nice.

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Speaker 1: Yes, here's my thing. But like let's ask I guess

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this question on a scale of sort of one to ten,

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Like what is their need level for the Cooper Flag experience? Oh?

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Speaker 2: Their need is is up there? Like what is that

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like eight? Eight and a half? Okay, of course, I mean, look,

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this is a this is a franchise has been.

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Speaker 3: Just irrelevant for so long injury.

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Speaker 2: Plague, have a guy on the roster who shouldn't even

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play in the NBA, So it leaves everyone with a

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sour taste in their mouth whenever he plays, so like

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everything is just bad. They need something good. Yeah, absolutely,

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the Hornets fans to serve something nice, something they can

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root for, and a local product in that way. Well

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he played a duke. You know that's that counts.

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Speaker 1: They drink Poland's bring in Charlotte tame different.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, the go there you go.

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Speaker 1: What's interesting about that is I agree, I feel like

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not injury prone and then two actively good to root for.

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I do think the level of need you assigned, like

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needing the to win the lottery, it really does depend on, well,

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how do you feel about LaMelo ball and or Brandon Miller,

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because this team has at least shown, at least so

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far under this front office that they're not going to

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short circuit the process. But if you don't think that

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between the Melo and Brandon Miller you can assemble a

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sustainable playoff contender around them, then that need for Cooper

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flag is high. Because I do think there are some

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teams on this where you look at them and say

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oh they have like that's the Wemby is the like

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they have the guy in place, or even if you

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don't like the guy, like if the Hawks could win

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the lottery, which they cannot, well they can win the pickle.

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Just go to San Antonio. You may not like Trey Young,

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but you know that you can build a team around

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him that will get to the playoffs. With Charlotte, there's

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not a ton of proof of concept here, and injuries

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have really, you know, short circuited that. For sure. I

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tend to be higher on LaMelo than consensus, and so

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I don't think they need you. I don't think they

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need him as much to where it's this franchise will

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not be stuck in the desert if they don't have

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Cooper Flag and they have to start looking at some

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of the other prospects on the board.

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Speaker 2: You do realize that if the Hornets do get Cooper Flagg,

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you and I the biggest spousal debate, You and I.

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We have that dies like you and I will be

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friends again immediately, because I've said repeatedly that I don't

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think LaMelo is like the number one guy on a

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good team, Like I don't think he's got that. But

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and you're sort of disagreeing with me on that because

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you're saying, if he's healthy, and I get it, but

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that whole conversation just goes out the window because if

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Cooper Flag is there, he's gonna be number one.

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Speaker 3: He's gonna be the primary.

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Speaker 1: I agree, I want to make I don't disagree with

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any sense. Do you think LaMelo is capable of scaling

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down to being like the number two or number one,

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b whatever you want to say?

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Speaker 2: That is a really good question that I don't have

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the answer for. I hope so. But given that he

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makes a lot of questionable decisions. Uh and and isn't

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necessarily a guy who with to to to use a

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Captain America phrase, will lay down on fire for his soldiers.

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Speaker 3: I don't know. I don't know. I hope that I'm wrong.

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Speaker 2: I hope that LaMelo, because he'll beat twenty four later

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this year, kind of matures a little bit and goes, oh,

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you know what, this guy's the real deal.

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Speaker 3: Let's just ride that wave.

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Speaker 2: Because I've been sort of on irrelevant teams ever since

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I made it here. You know, winning is the priority

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in the NBA, and if LaMelo insists upon individual glory

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over teams success. I'd be worried as fuck.

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Speaker 1: I don't think he'd have There might be an adjustment period.

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moving LaMelo And I probably wouldn't like I at least

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want to see it in action, but you would run

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the risk of Okay, his value is probably not too

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high right now strictly because of the injury. There's the

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inefficiency stuff some people don't like to play style. That

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would become an interesting exercise. I will say, if they

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could just get a good defensive center in Charlotte, yeah,

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I would pay absurd amounts of money to watch that

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center defend with Brandon Miller and Cooper Flag on the court,

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because that, like Cooper Flag and Brandon Miller as like

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a base defense, like not your you know, back line,

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like that has the chance to be insane.

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Speaker 2: Which I don't want to go too far on this

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because we're already over our allocated time limit on each team.

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this one. I still think there could be a solid

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defensive center in Mark Williams kending health. He's only twenty three.

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had some issues there. I'm not gonna sit here and

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sugarcoat it and say he's a good defensive player.

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Speaker 3: Although I do think he has moments. I think that's

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Speaker 2: I don't think he is like a complete nonsense player defensively.

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Speaker 2: The rebounding alone as well is elite, and that helps

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that kind of finishes off defensive possessions. So I think

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there's something there. But again, you need him to be healthy.

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of at that mind that Mark Williams potentially could be

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looking around the league after having that deal rescinded, and

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maybe this is also not the best situation for him

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to develop. So it's like I feel as though with

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Cooper Flag, if he gets there, it just resets everything

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that's that allows him to say, Okay, culture reset from

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here on out. The guys we don't like the work

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ethic of some players that we don't like, everyone is

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now expendable. Outside of Cooper Flag. It just resets everything

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all together, though before I got that far. Our next

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team is the also has a fourteen percent chance of

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winning the lottery, the Utah Jazs. They just extended Will Hardy,

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who there were murmurings around the league that the Spurs

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are making run at him, and he signs a six

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year extension. I wonder this is totally tangential, but I

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wonder how much was Oh the Spurs maybe checked in

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before going with Mitch Johnson and that like Will Hardy

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maybe use that as leverage to get the extension. But

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they had picked up his option like for twenty twenty six,

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twenty seven this past year, so I think this was

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always headed there. I think you could make the case

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though and miss when you get to talk to need

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about Cooper flagmoret. I think you can make the case

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that right now, Will Hardy is this team's best building block,

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and that's problematic when you're looking at how many years

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seasons removed we now are from the Rudy Gobert and

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Donovan Mitchell trades, and look, part of that might be

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will Hardy's fault. He's definitely a really good coach on offense,

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and the Jazz were better than expected for the first

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half of the previous two seasons. Now they've finally tanked

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a full year. Unless you, I guess the only way

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that you could disagree that they're sort of at like

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def Con one. In terms of looking for a face

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of the futures, you either have to believe that it's

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Isaiah Collier, Keyante George or that you have that high

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high of an opinion of lowry marketing.

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Speaker 3: John Collins slander.

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Speaker 1: No, I'm kidding, Yes, Cody Williams is gonna happen.

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Speaker 2: Williams my big board last year. I mean, look, there's

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something so funny about the idea of them winning Cooper

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only a four, Kenyan Martin Junior best as a four,

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Taylor Hendricks best as a four, Kyle Philipowski strictly a four,

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as a four than the three. So it's like, all right,

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maybe this is just like the new age Jazz, let's

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start three.

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Speaker 3: Or four screw it, four power forwards?

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Speaker 2: Why not?

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Speaker 1: What would that be relative to Houston to where it's

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like And we've had some discussioners that discord that people

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think Tari Easton does a lot of the big man stuff,

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which is fair. But they're playing Jabbari, Shangun and Adams

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together withinn Atari Easton. But it's like those are two

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centers plus a four five and then a three four

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And if the Jazz are running out all.

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Speaker 2: Fours, all force, all force, I mean look and look

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the T shirts alone, all four on, all fours.

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Speaker 3: There we go.

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Speaker 2: It'd be fantastic. But yeah, look from from a franchise perspective,

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let's just let's.

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Speaker 3: Not beat around the bush here.

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Speaker 2: From a franchise perspective, getting a white superstar in Utah,

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yeah yeah, but perfect just no notes that is that

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would be huge for both the league and for them

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because we all know that that is something that has

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been an issue for a long time.

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Speaker 3: I would say perfect fit.

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Speaker 2: But in terms of the need, I don't know, because

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I don't know what the fuck this roster.

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Speaker 1: Is, but that's what. Yeah, that increased the need because

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what is their guiding force right now?

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Speaker 3: Who is the more that that is?

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Speaker 1: That's but that's then that's a problem and Larry Marketing, Look,

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you could make him and Cooper flag work if you're

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trying to be competitive. Soon you can't all the all

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the pieces around them become instantly fungible. I think, not

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only are you looking at a roster that's bereft of

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that number one guy of the future, but you're looking

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at an impatient fan base because of how many seasons.

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What are we like, we're three years, three summers removed

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from Rudy Gobert and Donovan Mitchell being shipped elsewhere? Is that?

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What was that twenty twenty two that it was? We're

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about to go to summer four?

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Speaker 3: Then, I like, so this is his third year.

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Speaker 1: Don Mitchell been in Cleveland for what's third year?

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Speaker 3: Right, But we're gonna have.

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Speaker 1: To double check that. I don't know what is time

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anyway more? But yeah, so don Mitchell just wrapped up

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his third season Cleveland, so trade him in the summer

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of two thousand or like that off season. So now

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you've gone through this will be your fourth off season

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since technically kicking off the rebuild, and or third excuse me,

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like even someone that you would stand there and identifies, well,

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this might be someone who can become. And there's a

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lot of like I think sometimes it's you know, it's

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oversimplified as to why they're here. I think a lot

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of the reason they're here is for good things like

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Larry markin in turning into a borderline all NBA player

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like and then some of the veterans just for contributing

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longer in that first season at a higher level than

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you'd expected. With all that said, you can't sit here

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after getting all those picks moving so much, like just

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blowing it up, and to not even have like even

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on teams if you don't believe that they're number one

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options in place, you can only say no, like that

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might be the dude, if we're fastening three or four years,

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like you could see, you could see a plausive there

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is no one and I don't even know who has

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the best chance of being that. Like if you even

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had to say, oh, it's gonna be one of the

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players on the roster that will be the pole star

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around whom they build everything in three to four years,

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who fucked who are you picking? Is it? Is it Collier?

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Is it Kiante George?

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Speaker 3: Like, honestly, oh god, that's depressing problem.

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Speaker 1: Taylor Hendrix, because I love that dude.

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Speaker 2: All right, you know what you couldnvince me so the

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need for them because of their situation. That's probably like

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a solid nine nine point five maybe even.

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Speaker 1: And it's you could go higher. But I do think

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then you get to the point of, like, I don't

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hate all the youth on Utah, Like I think Kyle

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Philipowski and Klier had like two of the more underrated rookie.

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Especially Philipowski. I think he like he was Yeah, what

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he did on offense this year was just nasty. But

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it does come what you also say, Man, the roster

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gets tricky because of all the fours.

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Speaker 3: Right right, So that that is very high.

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Speaker 2: Actually, so right now we have Utah in the lead,

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all right, Yeah.

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Speaker 1: We're to the Washington Wizards also a fourteen percent They

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are in a round out are fourteen percenters, And generally speaking,

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you would expect the teams that have the highest chance

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of winning lottery to need to win the lottery the most.

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This one's interesting though, because I think they have two

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options when it comes to if you were wondering who

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is their guiding force in black, Kula Bali and even

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Alex saw Sar did not have the most efficient offensive season,

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but like he showed some stretch, showed some defensive disruption.

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I think the passing, that's not something that I knew

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that he was going to be able to do right

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out of the gate. Here, As he gets stronger, I

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think he will become a better post defender, a better

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finisher around the basket. And I just love Koula Bali.

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Like that dude came into the league just ready to

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defend anyone and he's still kind of there. I think

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the swing skill for him will be the shooting. Yeah,

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the shooting. I kind of dabbled in, oh can this

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person create for others a bunch? But I think I

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might rather see him as if you could just get

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a set jump and then if you want him to

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make plays off the catch wheres maybe out of the

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short role that might be for what and for all

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he can do on defense. I think that's enough. So

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they do have two options here, and then they also

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have I like bub Garrington a lot like the Poison,

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which you could play on ball, and I really love

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Keishaw George. I don't think you call him a cornerstone,

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but as someone who can do I think, if the

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shot comes around, do a little bit of everything right.

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So I think some people might be surprised. If we're

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going on a scale of one to ten, I don't

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know where you're gonna land. I'm probably at like if

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five is average, they clearly need it more than just

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the average team because they're here at all. But I

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don't know a six.

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Speaker 2: Six, eleven, twelve, And I'll tell you why, because you

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look at it from a ross perspective.

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Speaker 3: That's totally fair.

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Speaker 2: This is a franchise where people don't care anymore, like

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at all. This is a franchise that might be one

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of the most, if not the most irrelevant in the

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entire NBA.

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Speaker 3: It is. I was there.

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Speaker 2: I was in Washington over Christmas in twenty fourteen. This

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was at the height of the John Wall Bradley Beal era.

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Nobody gave a fuck. Nobody gave a fuck except the hardcourse.

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And funny enough, by the way, Brian was there. We

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didn't know at that point in time.

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Speaker 1: Are two games out there for the thousands of people listening,

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who have no idea who Brian is.

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Speaker 2: Brian Suporikar coming friend or a mutual friend. So he

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was there and that, and like I actually asked him

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later on, like is this normal? He was like, yeah, Washington,

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It's like, okay, let's get some excitement back to the

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Wizards because the last time they won a championship was

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in nineteen seventy eight, and they've only like sparingly been

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in the playoffs ever since, like no first round loss

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here and there, like maybe made it to the second round.

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It's just it's been it's it's been really bad. It's

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been really bad. This is an organization, this is a

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fan base. This is everything that needs something else, that

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needs a that needs hope, that needs a light. It's

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not just about the roster how it's currently constructed. It's

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not about their cap sheet, it's not about their direction.

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This is about a team that needs a reason to

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exist ten eleven, twelve in terms of need.

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Speaker 1: That's an interesting way to look at it. I just

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don't know is the hype around Cooper flag enough, Like

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has he reached Wemby or Zion levels of hype coming

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out of college that if you're viewing this from sort

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of an like, you're looking at this as an existential crisis.

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Is that going to be enough to, like, I don't know,

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change public your your opinion of how much the public

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cares about the Wizards. I don't If you could make look,

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I'm sorry, you could make a case that like New

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Orleans has zion and that hasn't necessarily raised the pel

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because or at least hasn't convinced ownership to invest competently

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in the organization. So I I just it's tough for

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me to look at it from a non basketball perspective

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because I think if you're to look at it from

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a basketball perspective, do you still assign so much value

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to them needing Cooper.

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Speaker 2: Flag because he's Cooper Flag and he's an organizational star

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presumably of what we know that is the.

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Speaker 3: The spectrum of which we analyze this through.

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Speaker 2: Yes, because there's going to be a ripple effect if

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he is that Tier one superstar. More stars are gonna

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let sean, They're gonna build a competitive product. It's not

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gonna be John Wall and Bradley Beal. It's going to

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be something better, something that can capture the imagination of

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which Wizards fans. When is the last time we've ever

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been able to say that.

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Speaker 1: Here's my thing with that, though, Well, I think it's

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fair to look at it that way. You're basically saying

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that what they have in place can't Ever the outcome

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of that is zero, then, is what you're saying If

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you're saying they need Cooper flag because you're not that

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you're saying that, Alex r. Because part of this has

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this is about basketball captioning the imagined, captioning the imagination.

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So like by you putting them at an eleven and

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the Jazz at a nine, you're saying to me that

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there's more of a chance that the Utah cole aces

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in something.

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Speaker 2: Okay, I understand why you look at it like that.

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That's no. I think I'm basically putting more of an

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onus on. This is a team that's gone nowhere at

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least at least Utah has had moments during like Darren Williams,

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Carlos Boos or ever era where they made it to

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the Western Conference finals. Right, they made it to the

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finals back to back in ninety seven ninety eight, right,

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So like they've had playoffs success, They've been to the playoffs.

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They made it pretty far. They've had like, you know,

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consistent playoff appearances where we can sort of pencil them

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in as the top five sometimes top four seed.

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Speaker 3: We can't say that about the Wizards, not really.

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Speaker 2: I think the entire story narrative, whatever you want to

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call it, around the franchise is where I differ between

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the two of them. So, while I understand your point

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from a roster perspective, I do think more highly of

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how the Wizards are building right now than I do

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the Jazz. It's it's a feeling. It's the feeling dan

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of where those organizations are presently.

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Speaker 1: And look, I'm all for ejecting like the emotional component

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into this too. And I think part of the reason

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I would have the Wizards I have them lower is

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also because I trust the direction that the front office

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is headed in to where it's. Okay, now, let's look

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at it this way. Let's say they don't get Cooper Flag.

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The previous front office regime is probably going out there

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and giving up everything they have to trade for I

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don't know, like Kyle Kuzma again or something, and this one,

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you know, like, no, they're gonna continue to bill gradually

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and if that Cooper flag isn't already in place, that

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Pole Star, They're going to give themselves enough bites at

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the draft Apple to ensure that they go. And I

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also trust them more to develop what's already in place.

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And so that's why it's tough for me to say.

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From an interest perspective, I think there are a ton

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of teams that could fit, you know, like the a

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Cooper flag comes in and it gives you this polarizing

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presence around which to rally the fan base while you're

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still bad. I agree with you that Cooper flag probably

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does that for Washington more than Kulabali or alex Are

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for sure. Our next team has a twelve and a

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half percent, speaking of irrelevant franchises, by the way, as

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a twelve and a half and I'm allowed to say

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that because I was so high on the Pelicans too

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many times only for them to, you know, blow my

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brains out. They have a twelve and a half percent

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chance of winning lottery. David Griffin gone, Joe dumars in.

475
00:23:57,720 --> 00:24:01,200
There's still talent on this roster. Yeah, I just have

476
00:24:01,279 --> 00:24:03,359
no idea what the fuck they're doing. And that's the

477
00:24:03,519 --> 00:24:05,960
I think Zion Williamson's a borderline top ten player when

478
00:24:05,960 --> 00:24:09,599
he's available. Yeah, I don't get to available is the

479
00:24:09,680 --> 00:24:11,680
key word. I mean, you worry whose durability You're worried

480
00:24:11,680 --> 00:24:15,039
about more Zions or Lamello. It's it's probably Zons at

481
00:24:15,039 --> 00:24:20,759
this point. So so you're worried about well, so you

482
00:24:20,799 --> 00:24:22,640
want Melow to be unavailable, is what you're saying. That's

483
00:24:22,720 --> 00:24:26,519
that's kind of a cheap shot. I don't like, I

484
00:24:26,559 --> 00:24:29,920
feel like they need Cooper Flag, Like I would put

485
00:24:29,920 --> 00:24:33,119
them around an eight to where it's okay, you have Zion,

486
00:24:33,200 --> 00:24:35,400
so you still have a chance that if he's healthy,

487
00:24:35,920 --> 00:24:37,960
this is the guy. But I don't know that. You

488
00:24:37,960 --> 00:24:40,400
could say you're closer to having the guy than Charlotte.

489
00:24:40,400 --> 00:24:42,640
You could say it than Utah, just because there's at

490
00:24:42,680 --> 00:24:45,640
least someone with that level of talent. However, when you

491
00:24:45,680 --> 00:24:49,720
look at the direction of the franchise and maybe you disagree,

492
00:24:49,720 --> 00:24:51,319
like maybe the Army would be no, Like, they don't

493
00:24:51,359 --> 00:24:54,200
need Cooper Flags because nothing here is gonna change. Like,

494
00:24:54,279 --> 00:24:56,640
if you got Cooper Flag, I feel like it steers

495
00:24:56,680 --> 00:25:00,599
you in a very clear direction. Whereas kind of right now,

496
00:25:00,680 --> 00:25:02,720
regardless of who they end up with, if it's not

497
00:25:02,839 --> 00:25:08,519
Cooper Flag. You're still sort of just billowing in the wind, right,

498
00:25:08,640 --> 00:25:11,799
So where do we put them on a number? So

499
00:25:11,839 --> 00:25:14,839
the rankings right now, well, I guess we have different rankings,

500
00:25:15,160 --> 00:25:19,119
but like they're definitely for me, which so I guess

501
00:25:19,160 --> 00:25:21,039
you're assuming are they higher or lower for you than

502
00:25:21,039 --> 00:25:22,319
the Wizards? Would be the question?

503
00:25:23,400 --> 00:25:26,440
Speaker 2: No, I see, yeah, I think they're I think they're lower.

504
00:25:26,480 --> 00:25:30,200
I think again this we're talking about the Wizards for me,

505
00:25:30,319 --> 00:25:34,359
where I'm like, does this team have a reason to exist?

506
00:25:34,480 --> 00:25:37,759
So I think that's why it's so crucial. I'm not

507
00:25:37,839 --> 00:25:40,960
quite there with the Pelicans. Also because the Science Factory

508
00:25:41,000 --> 00:25:44,319
is still there, it's still alive for as long as

509
00:25:44,319 --> 00:25:44,599
it is.

510
00:25:44,720 --> 00:25:49,359
Speaker 3: We'll see what happens this summer six and a half.

511
00:25:51,160 --> 00:25:54,160
Speaker 2: And also if they do pivot off Scion after getting

512
00:25:54,480 --> 00:25:55,759
the Cooper flag pick.

513
00:25:56,640 --> 00:25:58,000
Speaker 1: Is that what you do if you're them?

514
00:25:58,039 --> 00:25:59,839
Speaker 2: By the way, I'm not saying no, no, I'm not saying

515
00:25:59,839 --> 00:26:03,720
that that's what they should do. No, I mean if

516
00:26:03,759 --> 00:26:07,039
they do, what if they get something in there that

517
00:26:07,119 --> 00:26:10,200
actually sets it up to flag long term, wouldn't be

518
00:26:10,240 --> 00:26:11,160
the worst thing in the world.

519
00:26:11,240 --> 00:26:13,119
Speaker 1: Well, that's what I was almost assuming was that just

520
00:26:13,160 --> 00:26:15,960
gives them a clear direction as let's just rebuild everything

521
00:26:16,000 --> 00:26:18,160
around him. Because, by the way, if you're worried about

522
00:26:18,519 --> 00:26:21,000
Cooper Flag playing with Lowry Market, and you certainly need

523
00:26:21,039 --> 00:26:23,240
to be worried with him playing next to Zion Williams

524
00:26:23,240 --> 00:26:23,480
and no.

525
00:26:24,880 --> 00:26:26,039
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, no, no.

526
00:26:26,200 --> 00:26:30,240
Speaker 2: The Yarket type of Flag and Sion are eerially similar,

527
00:26:30,720 --> 00:26:35,599
like sketchy long range shooters, although Flag projects.

528
00:26:35,200 --> 00:26:38,960
Speaker 3: To be better, but both playmaking force.

529
00:26:40,480 --> 00:26:43,759
Speaker 2: Flag obviously defensively far better on that end, where I

530
00:26:43,799 --> 00:26:47,119
think Sion offensively has by far the edge at least

531
00:26:47,200 --> 00:26:53,480
right now. But yeah, positional overlap times too, right, It's

532
00:26:53,519 --> 00:26:56,839
not as as it reaches as Bradley Beale Devin Booker,

533
00:26:56,880 --> 00:26:57,880
But we're up there.

534
00:26:59,440 --> 00:27:02,400
Speaker 1: So do you like? I still think of all the

535
00:27:02,440 --> 00:27:04,000
teams we've talked about, this will be the best way

536
00:27:04,000 --> 00:27:05,680
for him. I still have Utah at the top of

537
00:27:05,680 --> 00:27:07,599
my list of they we need to plague the most,

538
00:27:07,759 --> 00:27:10,400
because the Zion component here is just so tough to

539
00:27:10,480 --> 00:27:13,640
reconcile if you don't. And it doesn't seem like you know,

540
00:27:13,680 --> 00:27:16,799
Schmidt Douwa just published another like sort of info dump

541
00:27:17,079 --> 00:27:19,799
on the Pelican situation. It doesn't seem like there was

542
00:27:19,839 --> 00:27:22,359
actually a prerequisite of Jumar's taking the job that he

543
00:27:22,440 --> 00:27:24,920
had to trade Zion. But that's just sort of kind

544
00:27:24,920 --> 00:27:27,519
of out there. Zion even happy there? Do the Pelicans

545
00:27:27,559 --> 00:27:30,599
even want him? And how good? And how also, how

546
00:27:30,599 --> 00:27:33,359
do you build a team where you don't know if

547
00:27:33,400 --> 00:27:37,160
this okay an all NBA Top ten type player, you

548
00:27:37,160 --> 00:27:38,839
don't know whether he's going to be available, So how

549
00:27:38,839 --> 00:27:40,720
do you go about building your team? It seems like

550
00:27:41,400 --> 00:27:44,279
one of David Griffin's cardinal sins was he tried to

551
00:27:44,279 --> 00:27:49,119
build a team that could thrive or at least be

552
00:27:49,200 --> 00:27:52,599
good without Zion, and then it deviated too far away

553
00:27:52,599 --> 00:27:55,519
of optimizing Zion. But how do you justify what we

554
00:27:55,519 --> 00:27:57,799
need to optimize Zion if Zion's not gonna play in

555
00:27:57,839 --> 00:27:59,720
sixty five games every year?

556
00:28:00,279 --> 00:28:03,759
Speaker 2: Yeah, and that's and that's where the need comes in,

557
00:28:04,039 --> 00:28:06,440
because we can seize her and talk about, well do

558
00:28:06,480 --> 00:28:09,960
they really need him if Sion is there? But you're right,

559
00:28:10,000 --> 00:28:13,240
if Sigon plays twenty five, twenty seven games per year,

560
00:28:14,279 --> 00:28:15,359
what the fuck does it matter?

561
00:28:15,440 --> 00:28:21,400
Speaker 3: Then he's not there? No, you're right.

562
00:28:21,640 --> 00:28:23,839
Speaker 2: You know what did I say? Six point five? I'm

563
00:28:23,839 --> 00:28:27,720
gonna up it. You're right, it's not up to my

564
00:28:27,720 --> 00:28:31,119
my Washington levels though I'm probably gonna go up to

565
00:28:31,160 --> 00:28:31,839
seven point five.

566
00:28:31,920 --> 00:28:33,880
Speaker 1: So moret has the Wizards is number one so far

567
00:28:33,880 --> 00:28:35,680
and I have to do Yeah still too, Let's see

568
00:28:35,680 --> 00:28:38,039
if this next team can be throne either of them.

569
00:28:38,079 --> 00:28:39,960
They have a ten point five percent chance of winning

570
00:28:40,000 --> 00:28:43,440
the lottery. More the Philadelphia seventy six Ers with over

571
00:28:43,480 --> 00:28:45,480
a ten percent chance of winning the lottery, just like

572
00:28:45,519 --> 00:28:49,759
we all predicted at the start of the season. I mean,

573
00:28:51,599 --> 00:28:53,960
if if you're going at it through the lens of

574
00:28:54,519 --> 00:28:57,200
I don't trust this core together. Joel Embid and Paul

575
00:28:57,200 --> 00:28:58,920
George are never gonna live up to their contracts and

576
00:28:59,000 --> 00:29:01,480
Beat is never going to be hell again. You could

577
00:29:01,559 --> 00:29:03,640
argue the need is pretty urgent, but they also still

578
00:29:03,640 --> 00:29:06,880
have tyres MAXI. They have picks. They have I mean

579
00:29:06,920 --> 00:29:09,400
down where we know he's going to be aggressive in

580
00:29:09,480 --> 00:29:12,680
trying to make upgrades. So the need level you if

581
00:29:12,720 --> 00:29:14,519
you're the Sixers, you want to have the problem of

582
00:29:14,599 --> 00:29:17,039
let's keep the pick and then see, like do we

583
00:29:17,119 --> 00:29:19,240
trade it, do we draft? And trying to develop this player.

584
00:29:20,599 --> 00:29:23,519
I would argue, I'm if you can get Cooper Flag,

585
00:29:23,680 --> 00:29:25,680
I'm saying you get Cooper Flag like if they had

586
00:29:25,680 --> 00:29:29,359
a choice, obviously, yes, but winning the lottery almost complicates

587
00:29:29,400 --> 00:29:31,519
things for them because it's like, well, what what are

588
00:29:31,559 --> 00:29:32,359
you supposed to.

589
00:29:32,359 --> 00:29:34,279
Speaker 3: Do because of the contracts?

590
00:29:34,400 --> 00:29:36,640
Speaker 1: Yes, it's because of the contracts, But it's like, are

591
00:29:36,640 --> 00:29:39,759
you just assuming are you on Cooper Flag's timeline now

592
00:29:39,799 --> 00:29:42,039
or are you trying to develop Cooper Flag around you

593
00:29:42,119 --> 00:29:42,640
forget about?

594
00:29:43,039 --> 00:29:45,000
Speaker 2: Yes? Yes, no, no, no, no, there should be no

595
00:29:45,079 --> 00:29:48,640
confusion confusion about that. If you win the Cooper Flag lottery,

596
00:29:48,640 --> 00:29:50,880
if you're the Philadelphia seventy six ers apps of fucking

597
00:29:50,960 --> 00:29:53,160
lot you're on Cooper Flag's timeline right now.

598
00:29:55,240 --> 00:29:57,759
Speaker 1: So you're just then you're out on Joelle Embiid, Yes.

599
00:29:57,640 --> 00:29:57,960
Speaker 2: I am.

600
00:29:58,200 --> 00:30:00,240
Speaker 3: And Paul George. Yes, it's pall.

601
00:30:00,279 --> 00:30:02,759
Speaker 1: George is not the person. He's not like he never

602
00:30:02,759 --> 00:30:04,920
would even if Paul George had a good year, You're not. No.

603
00:30:04,920 --> 00:30:07,400
Speaker 2: No, But like what I mean is like, I'm just

604
00:30:07,480 --> 00:30:10,880
out on the veterans. I could also have said Eric Gordon,

605
00:30:10,960 --> 00:30:13,880
I'm just out on them trying to go out for

606
00:30:14,039 --> 00:30:17,519
when now players, you're you're switching things around, You're going

607
00:30:17,559 --> 00:30:21,240
into a rebuild, you are building around Tyree's Maxey Cooper Flag.

608
00:30:22,160 --> 00:30:28,119
Jerick McCain rhymes when rhymes as well, Yes, like that's

609
00:30:28,160 --> 00:30:29,480
your new starting point.

610
00:30:29,559 --> 00:30:32,720
Speaker 1: Absolutely, that's I think that would probably be the right call.

611
00:30:32,759 --> 00:30:34,559
So I do agree with you. I just don't think

612
00:30:34,599 --> 00:30:35,519
it's what they would do.

613
00:30:37,559 --> 00:30:42,720
Speaker 2: Maybe not, that's that's what they should do.

614
00:30:42,759 --> 00:30:44,559
Speaker 1: If I was running the franchise, I guess like, yeah,

615
00:30:44,599 --> 00:30:46,920
the Maxie FLA, But like what are so you're just

616
00:30:47,440 --> 00:30:49,519
you're if someone's willing to take and be, you're just

617
00:30:49,559 --> 00:30:51,279
trading him for what you can get. Because he's the

618
00:30:51,319 --> 00:30:53,720
type of player where it's if he's gonna play. And

619
00:30:53,759 --> 00:30:55,920
I don't necessarily mean this in a bad way, but

620
00:30:55,960 --> 00:30:59,119
it's not gonna know it's I mean, Tyr's Maxie blossomed

621
00:30:59,119 --> 00:31:01,160
around him. So maybe that's wrong call. But he's not

622
00:31:01,200 --> 00:31:04,440
going to streamline Cooper Flag's development. If anything, he might

623
00:31:04,480 --> 00:31:07,119
infringe upon it, because I think Cooper Flag is very

624
00:31:07,200 --> 00:31:10,359
much someone who needs plenty of touches to kind of

625
00:31:10,359 --> 00:31:12,599
make sure that he leaves a mark on the game

626
00:31:12,640 --> 00:31:16,480
offensively right now, and that's just with Maxi and EMBI

627
00:31:16,559 --> 00:31:19,240
that's not not gonna be as readily available.

628
00:31:21,680 --> 00:31:25,759
Speaker 3: Right Does that matter? Is that something we should think about.

629
00:31:26,839 --> 00:31:29,039
Speaker 1: I think everything's on the table here. I'm just saying

630
00:31:29,079 --> 00:31:32,599
I don't like I it's weird because I don't believe

631
00:31:32,599 --> 00:31:34,799
that they would be on Cooper Flag's timeline immediately if

632
00:31:34,799 --> 00:31:36,599
they won the lottery. I think they would either try

633
00:31:36,640 --> 00:31:39,000
and augment what they already have in place with Cooper Flag,

634
00:31:39,680 --> 00:31:42,599
or they would probably if of all the lottery teams,

635
00:31:42,599 --> 00:31:44,839
like they would be the most likely one to trade

636
00:31:45,400 --> 00:31:48,200
said lottery said number one pick right. I don't think

637
00:31:48,200 --> 00:31:49,920
anybody would. I want to make that clear.

638
00:31:50,000 --> 00:31:52,359
Speaker 2: I mean if I'm not closing the door on that,

639
00:31:52,559 --> 00:31:58,000
because NBA franchises act in so many different ways. If

640
00:31:58,039 --> 00:32:01,680
you are married to this time line of EMBIID Paul George,

641
00:32:02,119 --> 00:32:05,200
I guess Tyrese MAXI also, even though he's significantly younger.

642
00:32:06,599 --> 00:32:07,400
Speaker 3: You just got to make.

643
00:32:07,279 --> 00:32:09,440
Speaker 2: Sure it's the right deal though, Like if you have

644
00:32:09,480 --> 00:32:15,039
a yeah, yeah, but like straight up, man, even if

645
00:32:15,079 --> 00:32:16,359
you get Booker.

646
00:32:17,279 --> 00:32:20,319
Speaker 1: Because and also the problem you run into is h

647
00:32:20,319 --> 00:32:21,960
I'm assuming you look at that and say, okay, like

648
00:32:22,119 --> 00:32:24,799
EMBIID or George has to be your matching salary going

649
00:32:24,839 --> 00:32:28,039
out right, and you're probably picking Paul George.

650
00:32:27,920 --> 00:32:30,680
Speaker 2: Oh oh absolutely, but still like and then I'm probably

651
00:32:30,680 --> 00:32:34,920
also getting more in return. But do I even trust

652
00:32:35,119 --> 00:32:39,680
a Embid book, Maxy McCain crimes.

653
00:32:40,200 --> 00:32:44,039
Speaker 1: Core, that's so many guards. Do you trust that's a

654
00:32:44,200 --> 00:32:46,359
that's a talented core. I don't. I wouldn't trust it

655
00:32:46,359 --> 00:32:47,759
defensively for sure.

656
00:32:47,880 --> 00:32:50,319
Speaker 2: I wouldn't trust it to stay healthy. I wouldn't trust

657
00:32:50,319 --> 00:32:53,519
it to do a lot of things. It's again, this

658
00:32:53,599 --> 00:32:56,039
Sixer team needs a bit of a blow up, not

659
00:32:56,119 --> 00:33:01,240
in terms of like from everyone older than Tyree's Maxie up, like, yeah,

660
00:33:01,599 --> 00:33:03,559
oh well, with the exception of Quentin Grimes. That's you

661
00:33:03,599 --> 00:33:08,680
saying Quentin Grimes enough Cooper flag would be the perfect excuse.

662
00:33:08,960 --> 00:33:11,400
But where do we put them? Dan are putting them

663
00:33:11,400 --> 00:33:13,279
at at six point five six?

664
00:33:14,640 --> 00:33:16,559
Speaker 1: Our lowest score I think that we gave is I

665
00:33:16,640 --> 00:33:19,440
gave the Wizards of six and a half, but you

666
00:33:19,440 --> 00:33:20,680
could probably talk me into a seven.

667
00:33:20,720 --> 00:33:23,240
Speaker 3: But that was my highest because yeah.

668
00:33:23,799 --> 00:33:29,000
Speaker 1: So do they need it more than the Pelicans who

669
00:33:29,039 --> 00:33:32,039
have Zion? So it's kind of it's there's a contrast there,

670
00:33:32,039 --> 00:33:34,599
but it's okay, the Sixers haven't bet in MAXI and

671
00:33:34,640 --> 00:33:35,599
the Pelicans have Zion.

672
00:33:36,000 --> 00:33:38,279
Speaker 3: No they they don't. You're right, that's that's the way

673
00:33:38,319 --> 00:33:39,960
to figure out the score.

674
00:33:40,000 --> 00:33:42,920
Speaker 2: Here because you're right, tyres Max is far more available

675
00:33:43,799 --> 00:33:49,240
than sign Williams Snizz. Granted, Sion is better when he's healthy,

676
00:33:49,359 --> 00:33:54,680
but I do think the difference isn't so itck reaches

677
00:33:55,000 --> 00:33:58,240
to the point where like, oh yeah, like he's levels

678
00:33:58,279 --> 00:34:05,640
ahead because we have a reasonably healthy Tyrese Maxi and

679
00:34:05,680 --> 00:34:08,199
we also have a Jared McCain who, based off what

680
00:34:08,400 --> 00:34:10,840
we saw in the first year, looks like a keeper.

681
00:34:11,559 --> 00:34:15,360
If Quentin Grimes can duplicate what he did post trade deadline,

682
00:34:15,400 --> 00:34:17,159
and I know there are a lot of funky numbers

683
00:34:17,159 --> 00:34:21,000
in there. Yeah, no, they're just not in that big

684
00:34:21,039 --> 00:34:22,639
of a need, right.

685
00:34:23,480 --> 00:34:25,159
Speaker 1: I think if you were to argue, if we were

686
00:34:25,199 --> 00:34:27,239
to make the case that they need this more than anyone,

687
00:34:27,360 --> 00:34:30,039
or as much as anyone, it's what you said before,

688
00:34:30,480 --> 00:34:32,800
they need a reason to blow it up, like just

689
00:34:32,800 --> 00:34:35,920
the ironclad, concrete reason and Cooper flags, I guess about

690
00:34:35,960 --> 00:34:39,159
as iron clad as it would get to. I would argue, Look,

691
00:34:39,159 --> 00:34:42,519
you can talk about McCain and Grimes anyone, but Maxie

692
00:34:42,559 --> 00:34:45,000
would just be dispensable to me. If you have Cooper

693
00:34:45,039 --> 00:34:48,599
Flag at that point, next team up, they have a

694
00:34:49,400 --> 00:34:52,519
nine percent chance of winning the lottery. The Brooklyn Nets.

695
00:34:52,800 --> 00:34:58,079
This is fascinating because they reacquired control over their next

696
00:34:58,119 --> 00:35:01,360
two first round picks five and twenty six. They paid

697
00:35:01,719 --> 00:35:04,679
a pretty good premium to get them, and they don't

698
00:35:04,719 --> 00:35:07,239
have They didn't have it before, but they certainly didn't

699
00:35:07,239 --> 00:35:10,280
have a candidate after trading McHale Bridges. Cam Johnson is

700
00:35:10,280 --> 00:35:12,639
their best player, and if you want to argue for

701
00:35:12,679 --> 00:35:14,840
Cam Thomas or Nick Claxton, we could listen, but none

702
00:35:14,880 --> 00:35:19,800
of them die. You're right, so the need is there.

703
00:35:19,960 --> 00:35:23,039
And it's also I understand that there's only I think

704
00:35:23,079 --> 00:35:25,360
they only owe one of their picks right in twenty

705
00:35:25,559 --> 00:35:28,000
twenty seven is the one that's going out, So it's

706
00:35:28,039 --> 00:35:32,119
not like there's this long break in between them not

707
00:35:32,159 --> 00:35:36,400
having draft picks, but there is the urgency of in theory,

708
00:35:36,480 --> 00:35:39,000
you want to be good in time for the twenty

709
00:35:39,039 --> 00:35:41,760
twenty seven draft because you don't control that pick, so

710
00:35:41,800 --> 00:35:44,199
you kind of only have like these two bytes or

711
00:35:44,199 --> 00:35:46,760
two chances to be really bad and capitalize on it.

712
00:35:47,239 --> 00:35:49,719
And not that they already missed. I mean, if anything,

713
00:35:49,760 --> 00:35:51,760
in the testament to Jordi Fernandez and they were fun

714
00:35:51,800 --> 00:35:54,679
to watch for pretty much the entire season, but eventially

715
00:35:54,719 --> 00:35:57,119
you don't have one of the top four top five

716
00:35:57,559 --> 00:36:00,360
lottery odd spots. I do think some people would paint

717
00:36:00,400 --> 00:36:06,199
that as a failure. But regardless, the need for forget

718
00:36:06,239 --> 00:36:08,719
about the profile of Cooper flag off the court which

719
00:36:08,760 --> 00:36:10,960
you wrought up in Washington. Although if you want to

720
00:36:10,960 --> 00:36:14,719
compete with the Knicks in terms of interest, sure, like

721
00:36:14,800 --> 00:36:17,559
you just need a court, like you need a building block.

722
00:36:17,639 --> 00:36:19,719
You don't have that primary centerpiece right now.

723
00:36:20,039 --> 00:36:23,800
Speaker 2: From a roster perspective, the need here set of fifteen

724
00:36:23,840 --> 00:36:29,559
out of ten. From a market perspective, because this is

725
00:36:29,559 --> 00:36:32,519
still New Yorick, it's like two out of ten. Like

726
00:36:32,599 --> 00:36:37,280
they will get guys because it's they have.

727
00:36:37,480 --> 00:36:39,639
Speaker 1: They can have over eighty million dollars in cap space

728
00:36:39,639 --> 00:36:40,920
this year if they want it. I don't think they're

729
00:36:40,920 --> 00:36:43,199
gonna go for that much, but they can just they

730
00:36:43,199 --> 00:36:46,159
have more cap space. It's not just than anyone, but

731
00:36:46,280 --> 00:36:49,159
like they could triple up the next closest team, which

732
00:36:49,159 --> 00:36:50,440
is basically the Pistons at this.

733
00:36:50,400 --> 00:36:54,800
Speaker 2: Point, right So like it's it's the contrast is pretty

734
00:36:54,840 --> 00:36:57,639
fun because you're you're absolutely right. From a roster perspective,

735
00:36:57,639 --> 00:37:01,599
it's a gregious like this this just this screams Cooper

736
00:37:01,760 --> 00:37:05,039
Flag in terms of like the biggest need for sure,

737
00:37:05,599 --> 00:37:08,280
But again I just I have to factor it in

738
00:37:08,360 --> 00:37:10,159
just because of who I am. I have to factor

739
00:37:10,239 --> 00:37:13,639
in the organizational circumstances, and given that this is a

740
00:37:13,679 --> 00:37:17,920
team that can sleepwalk itself to free agent acquisitions, I'm

741
00:37:18,000 --> 00:37:21,360
just not overall in that big of a Oh we

742
00:37:21,440 --> 00:37:24,000
need something like they'll manage.

743
00:37:25,000 --> 00:37:28,159
Speaker 1: So I would put them below the Jazz for sure,

744
00:37:28,159 --> 00:37:30,159
who are my number one team so far because of

745
00:37:30,159 --> 00:37:33,559
basically everything you mentioned. And also I really think the

746
00:37:33,599 --> 00:37:36,440
time component in Utah needs to matter more to where

747
00:37:36,440 --> 00:37:38,880
it's this was the third season. I couldn't figure out

748
00:37:38,920 --> 00:37:40,639
the math before in terms of but like this was

749
00:37:40,679 --> 00:37:43,519
the technically the third season of the rebuild with Brooklyn.

750
00:37:43,519 --> 00:37:46,199
It's this was rebuilding year number one, and so you're

751
00:37:46,239 --> 00:37:49,920
prepared to be like bad. And I know the Jas

752
00:37:49,920 --> 00:37:51,440
still have a ton of other first round picks, but

753
00:37:51,440 --> 00:37:53,079
they're also if you're you mentioned this with the free

754
00:37:53,079 --> 00:37:56,519
agency stuff, Let's just say that you were willing to

755
00:37:56,599 --> 00:38:01,320
trade for Giannis Attenttakumpo this summer. Brooklyn can do that.

756
00:38:01,400 --> 00:38:04,239
I think with more confidence that he would one stay

757
00:38:04,320 --> 00:38:07,480
past his current contract and two they would have the

758
00:38:07,519 --> 00:38:10,119
ability to reel in other guys for your, honest, than

759
00:38:10,239 --> 00:38:12,840
Utah to say, even if you'd like Utah's assets stash

760
00:38:12,920 --> 00:38:14,920
more like, I think it would be harder. This might

761
00:38:14,920 --> 00:38:16,519
be the perfect way to frame it. It would be

762
00:38:16,519 --> 00:38:18,960
harder for Utah to make a trade for Giannis and

763
00:38:18,960 --> 00:38:23,039
accelerate their timeline this summer after year three of their rebuild,

764
00:38:23,039 --> 00:38:25,039
than it would for Brooklyn to say, you know what,

765
00:38:25,079 --> 00:38:27,239
we won the lottery, Like, let's just dangle Cooper Flag

766
00:38:27,280 --> 00:38:29,400
and see if that gets us you honest. I'm not

767
00:38:29,400 --> 00:38:31,760
not advocating for that. I'm just thinking they could.

768
00:38:31,760 --> 00:38:34,639
Speaker 2: I think they could, and they can go all in

769
00:38:34,719 --> 00:38:38,039
right now. It's funny because I've closed that door pretty thoroughly.

770
00:38:38,119 --> 00:38:41,360
But that's a really good point actually, because who they are,

771
00:38:41,480 --> 00:38:45,679
they can utilize their their the size of their market

772
00:38:45,920 --> 00:38:50,039
and the level of attraction they have from agencies and

773
00:38:50,199 --> 00:38:54,360
certain star players to sort of make a very quick retool.

774
00:38:55,840 --> 00:38:57,840
Speaker 3: That'd be fun, that'd be interesting.

775
00:38:58,239 --> 00:39:00,280
Speaker 1: I don't think if they had Cooper Flag, I'm not

776
00:39:00,280 --> 00:39:02,480
trading him for you, honest, And really that's the to me,

777
00:39:02,559 --> 00:39:04,840
that's the only way they could get you, honest, because Milwaukee,

778
00:39:04,960 --> 00:39:08,800
unless they're getting control they're like picks back and Portland

779
00:39:08,840 --> 00:39:12,800
has I think three swap whites swap rights from them.

780
00:39:12,840 --> 00:39:15,559
Excuse me, Like the Nets don't even have players that

781
00:39:15,599 --> 00:39:18,159
you can send the Bucks so that they're still good.

782
00:39:18,559 --> 00:39:20,880
You need that balance of a package, and they're Their

783
00:39:21,000 --> 00:39:23,800
balance right now is skewed heavily towards Hey, we don't

784
00:39:23,840 --> 00:39:25,800
need to send any money back in return, so it's

785
00:39:25,800 --> 00:39:29,119
cap relief and draft equity, which it matters, but when

786
00:39:29,119 --> 00:39:30,679
you're the Bucks and you don't control your own first

787
00:39:30,719 --> 00:39:33,480
round pick doesn't matter as much. Too far field, but

788
00:39:33,519 --> 00:39:36,880
the need I can't separate myself, Like I get what

789
00:39:37,000 --> 00:39:39,760
you're saying about the other They have time on their side,

790
00:39:39,800 --> 00:39:41,800
I guess, and then the mechanisms that will be or

791
00:39:41,800 --> 00:39:44,360
machinations that will be available to them is like being

792
00:39:44,400 --> 00:39:47,599
in the Brooklyn market, but you just don't have anyone

793
00:39:47,639 --> 00:39:50,599
to point to. And so I think they might be

794
00:39:50,840 --> 00:39:54,599
like maybe behind the Pelicans, who would be my number

795
00:39:54,639 --> 00:39:57,320
two teams, so far behind the Jazz, but like they're

796
00:39:57,400 --> 00:40:00,079
up there. I think Brooklyn's my number just to you,

797
00:40:00,000 --> 00:40:02,559
you have that name in there, and you don't have

798
00:40:03,679 --> 00:40:05,800
anyone else who even begins to check that box.

799
00:40:06,639 --> 00:40:10,440
Speaker 2: Yeah, I think you're right because of that, just the rosters, Yeah,

800
00:40:11,320 --> 00:40:12,079
I can get there.

801
00:40:12,679 --> 00:40:15,679
Speaker 1: Would you put them above or below the because you

802
00:40:15,719 --> 00:40:17,360
have the Wizards at eleven? So I'm assuming you have

803
00:40:17,360 --> 00:40:19,760
the nets below the Wizards. Do you think that Brooklyn

804
00:40:19,800 --> 00:40:22,360
needs it more than Utah? Well?

805
00:40:22,400 --> 00:40:23,599
Speaker 3: Where did I put Utah?

806
00:40:23,599 --> 00:40:25,480
Speaker 2: That was a solid eight point five I believe, I

807
00:40:25,599 --> 00:40:38,639
said from a roster perspective, absolutely, I think, oh that's close, yeah,

808
00:40:38,679 --> 00:40:39,559
probably just.

809
00:40:41,039 --> 00:40:44,559
Speaker 3: Inches. Yeah, I would.

810
00:40:44,719 --> 00:40:47,199
Speaker 1: I'm still gonna put Utah ahead just because they're a

811
00:40:47,280 --> 00:40:49,000
year three into it, so I think that there could

812
00:40:49,000 --> 00:40:51,199
be more patients in Brooklyn. But that I think that's

813
00:40:51,239 --> 00:40:53,719
an interesting debate, Utah or Brooklyn? Who needs it more?

814
00:40:53,800 --> 00:40:54,199
Speaker 2: So far?

815
00:40:54,360 --> 00:40:56,840
Speaker 1: Our next team coming in with a seven and a

816
00:40:56,880 --> 00:41:02,519
half percent chance of winning the lottery raptors more, where

817
00:41:02,559 --> 00:41:03,840
are you at with them? And how much do they

818
00:41:03,920 --> 00:41:05,800
need to win the number one pick? And are they

819
00:41:05,840 --> 00:41:08,159
you know I mentioned I did say, oh, is it

820
00:41:08,239 --> 00:41:10,079
Philly if they want it. I'm not saying any team

821
00:41:10,079 --> 00:41:12,199
would which team is most likely to win the number

822
00:41:12,239 --> 00:41:13,920
one pick and then trade it? I'm not kind of

823
00:41:13,920 --> 00:41:16,000
wondering if Toronto should be the answer to that question.

824
00:41:17,480 --> 00:41:21,760
Speaker 2: I mean, look, they they've committed to a core where frankly,

825
00:41:21,800 --> 00:41:25,320
I don't love the fit with the Brenton Ingram acquisition.

826
00:41:26,039 --> 00:41:27,800
Speaker 3: Not really sure what they're trying to do.

827
00:41:30,159 --> 00:41:33,280
Speaker 2: They are going to start three small forwards next year

828
00:41:33,559 --> 00:41:36,079
unless they make some alterations over the course of summer.

829
00:41:36,400 --> 00:41:41,800
This would be one Scotty Barnes, Cooper Flagg. A lot

830
00:41:41,840 --> 00:41:46,519
of overlap. There a lot of overlap. Not like I

831
00:41:46,559 --> 00:41:49,960
don't think Cooper is going to be like a day one,

832
00:41:50,800 --> 00:41:52,079
big time NPA score.

833
00:41:52,199 --> 00:41:53,559
Speaker 3: I think that's going to be like a year or

834
00:41:53,599 --> 00:41:55,480
two for him. Thing for him.

835
00:41:56,039 --> 00:41:59,719
Speaker 2: Scotty has yet to develop that, you know, that real

836
00:42:00,039 --> 00:42:05,599
eye level scoring instinct. Like I just I hate the

837
00:42:05,639 --> 00:42:09,440
funkiness of the roster, but there's a lot of quality there.

838
00:42:09,480 --> 00:42:12,320
So I can't say that from a from a roster perspective,

839
00:42:12,559 --> 00:42:14,639
like they're in major need an upgrade.

840
00:42:14,880 --> 00:42:17,920
Speaker 1: If you're just looking at it individually. Yeah, a level

841
00:42:17,920 --> 00:42:20,960
of talent between Cooper Flags, Scottie Barnes, Brandon Ingram and

842
00:42:21,039 --> 00:42:26,440
Manuel Quickly Yakub Perle. You are like the names like contained,

843
00:42:26,559 --> 00:42:31,280
So it's like, all right, that's not an intuitive top seven, right,

844
00:42:31,360 --> 00:42:32,679
that's certainly a top seven.

845
00:42:33,119 --> 00:42:36,880
Speaker 2: Yeah, exactly, So like you can look at it through that,

846
00:42:37,000 --> 00:42:39,440
but like the raw fit of it all that just

847
00:42:39,559 --> 00:42:43,440
seems messed up. That's just gonna complicate it even more,

848
00:42:44,760 --> 00:42:47,760
or maybe it streams streamlines that maybe they'll go, oh,

849
00:42:47,840 --> 00:42:49,800
we finally have our four and then they move Scotty

850
00:42:49,880 --> 00:42:50,360
to the three.

851
00:42:50,480 --> 00:42:51,440
Speaker 3: Then I don't know what they do.

852
00:42:52,920 --> 00:42:54,920
Speaker 2: Well incrim is probably what the hell did they do

853
00:42:55,000 --> 00:42:57,079
with Oh god, why did they trade for Ingram?

854
00:42:57,239 --> 00:42:59,000
Speaker 3: That was such such a dumb move.

855
00:42:59,480 --> 00:43:02,280
Speaker 1: I don't from a value play, just looking at what

856
00:43:02,320 --> 00:43:03,280
they get right, fair.

857
00:43:03,199 --> 00:43:05,400
Speaker 2: Enough, fair enough? I hate the extension. I should I

858
00:43:05,400 --> 00:43:07,280
should clarify it's the extension I hate.

859
00:43:08,440 --> 00:43:09,119
Speaker 1: I don't even know that.

860
00:43:09,159 --> 00:43:10,880
Speaker 3: I I was on him.

861
00:43:10,880 --> 00:43:13,559
Speaker 1: But forty million a year, okay, I agree, but we

862
00:43:13,719 --> 00:43:15,840
kind of know that, like that's not how free agency

863
00:43:15,840 --> 00:43:19,199
in the NBA works for someone. But he's still like, look,

864
00:43:19,239 --> 00:43:21,719
the number was a little high for me. But I

865
00:43:21,719 --> 00:43:23,880
think the fact that it's three years almost works in

866
00:43:23,920 --> 00:43:27,280
their favor because it immediately becomes this short term contract

867
00:43:27,360 --> 00:43:28,199
after next season.

868
00:43:28,239 --> 00:43:32,199
Speaker 2: Even so, I'm not a big fan of the I'm

869
00:43:32,239 --> 00:43:32,360
not a.

870
00:43:32,360 --> 00:43:34,400
Speaker 1: Big fan of the fit, but I am encouraged because

871
00:43:34,440 --> 00:43:36,639
the way that they use r J Barrett like getting

872
00:43:36,719 --> 00:43:39,360
him moving off the ball, and that's not it's probably

873
00:43:39,400 --> 00:43:40,880
something to be fair, it's probably something he would have

874
00:43:40,960 --> 00:43:42,440
liked to have done more in New York, but it's

875
00:43:42,480 --> 00:43:43,039
not they were.

876
00:43:43,159 --> 00:43:44,679
Speaker 3: Where does that leave Scotty.

877
00:43:46,039 --> 00:43:49,519
Speaker 1: With Cooper Flag in the mix? Because right now it

878
00:43:49,559 --> 00:43:52,320
seems like they're going to figure out a way to

879
00:43:52,360 --> 00:43:54,639
have people orbit around Scotty and still leave him as

880
00:43:54,639 --> 00:43:57,400
the focal point and then brandon Ingram is probably I

881
00:43:57,480 --> 00:43:59,440
like him manual quickly, but as right now he's their

882
00:43:59,480 --> 00:44:00,440
second best from score.

883
00:44:00,599 --> 00:44:04,199
Speaker 3: Do you trade Barnes if you get Flag?

884
00:44:05,559 --> 00:44:07,519
Speaker 1: But then like, what was the point of trading for

885
00:44:07,719 --> 00:44:12,760
Ingram because then you're on.

886
00:44:10,920 --> 00:44:13,159
Speaker 3: Then you have your offensive minded three man.

887
00:44:15,679 --> 00:44:16,119
Speaker 1: I don't know.

888
00:44:16,440 --> 00:44:19,760
Speaker 2: Wow, Look I'm not saying I like it. I'm just saying, look,

889
00:44:19,800 --> 00:44:21,480
if you want something that's a little bit of a

890
00:44:21,519 --> 00:44:24,000
cleaner fit, maybe it's Barnes. Also because Barnes has a

891
00:44:24,000 --> 00:44:26,320
lot of value, like he's on a fun max.

892
00:44:26,760 --> 00:44:29,440
Speaker 1: So here's what I would do is I would absolutely

893
00:44:29,440 --> 00:44:30,920
love to see them play together. And I think that

894
00:44:31,000 --> 00:44:33,559
you bet On like we've seen flashes of the Scotti

895
00:44:33,639 --> 00:44:36,960
Barnes like right at or gradual pull up jumper going

896
00:44:37,000 --> 00:44:39,480
in from beyond the arc. You hope that that's enough

897
00:44:39,519 --> 00:44:43,480
to work itself out or if I'm going to reorient anything,

898
00:44:43,920 --> 00:44:46,440
it's I'm surrounding Barnes and Cooper Flag with a bunch

899
00:44:46,440 --> 00:44:49,119
of emanual quickly types like go get a floor, spacing five,

900
00:44:49,199 --> 00:44:51,840
Chris Bouchet, get some max in this scenario, so they

901
00:44:52,000 --> 00:44:54,960
come back and just chuck threes. But they would be

902
00:44:55,480 --> 00:44:56,599
I want to say, they would be one of the

903
00:44:56,599 --> 00:44:59,239
more interesting Cooper Flag destinations, but I can't get there

904
00:44:59,280 --> 00:45:01,079
with need no it mean either.

905
00:45:01,119 --> 00:45:04,679
Speaker 2: So when the Raptures and Jazz play each other, will

906
00:45:04,800 --> 00:45:08,039
be like eight fourths starting out as it's.

907
00:45:09,000 --> 00:45:11,559
Speaker 1: Well they both have Cooper Flag. It is I guess.

908
00:45:11,639 --> 00:45:15,920
Speaker 2: Look it looks Utah isn't short on fours. They won't

909
00:45:15,960 --> 00:45:16,280
have to.

910
00:45:16,639 --> 00:45:19,039
Speaker 1: If we're talking about the battle of the power forward

911
00:45:19,079 --> 00:45:22,360
types between Toronto and Utah. Toronto needs Cooper Flag a

912
00:45:22,360 --> 00:45:24,440
lot like they need if you want to get on

913
00:45:24,960 --> 00:45:27,679
Utah level of like fours, yeah, you need Cooper Flag.

914
00:45:29,440 --> 00:45:31,880
I want to see now, like I'll see Cooper Flag

915
00:45:31,920 --> 00:45:33,679
on any of the see but Toronto would be just

916
00:45:33,719 --> 00:45:36,079
to see how they would react. I think that like

917
00:45:36,159 --> 00:45:38,679
so far that might be the most fascinating. Oh what

918
00:45:38,760 --> 00:45:41,679
does this mean for team even more so than Philly? Right?

919
00:45:41,760 --> 00:45:43,719
Or would you say Philly is more interesting than Toronto

920
00:45:43,760 --> 00:45:44,480
in that vein.

921
00:45:44,679 --> 00:45:47,320
Speaker 2: No, no, no, no, no, Philly isn't interesting at all.

922
00:45:50,679 --> 00:45:55,679
Speaker 1: We move on to this interesting six point seven percent

923
00:45:55,800 --> 00:45:58,719
chance of winning the lottery. The San Antonio Spurs six

924
00:45:58,760 --> 00:46:01,480
percent is their own, and then the Hawks have a

925
00:46:01,480 --> 00:46:03,679
point seven percent chance of winning the lottery and the Spurs.

926
00:46:03,760 --> 00:46:06,119
Speaker 3: We can skip this pretty quickly.

927
00:46:06,239 --> 00:46:09,519
Speaker 2: There's not a damn need for anything here, but it

928
00:46:09,559 --> 00:46:12,159
would be fun as hell if it happened.

929
00:46:13,119 --> 00:46:16,400
Speaker 1: Okay, I'm gonna yes all that. Yes, I just want

930
00:46:16,440 --> 00:46:20,039
to highlight one concern I would have. Yes, I don't

931
00:46:20,079 --> 00:46:23,639
think this is a macro problem. But you've like already

932
00:46:23,719 --> 00:46:26,880
made yourself so dependent on Victor Weber Yama being a

933
00:46:26,920 --> 00:46:30,159
floor spacer and if you want him to have paint touches,

934
00:46:30,960 --> 00:46:33,679
having Steph Cassel Cooper flag and dearon Fox on your

935
00:46:33,760 --> 00:46:35,440
rosters like not the way to go about it.

936
00:46:36,599 --> 00:46:41,760
Speaker 2: You don't have this word in the States. It's something

937
00:46:41,960 --> 00:46:48,320
we call fly fucking. Basically, it means it doesn't matter

938
00:46:49,480 --> 00:46:50,519
you're you're kind of.

939
00:46:50,519 --> 00:46:53,559
Speaker 1: Just sounds like having intercourse with insects is what it sounds.

940
00:46:54,280 --> 00:46:57,920
Speaker 2: Well, it's it's basically two insects having sex and it

941
00:46:57,920 --> 00:46:58,519
doesn't matter.

942
00:46:58,599 --> 00:46:59,360
Speaker 3: It's pointless.

943
00:47:00,239 --> 00:47:03,480
Speaker 2: So it's like basically the point of this is you're

944
00:47:03,519 --> 00:47:06,800
you're picking on it on like a threat here that

945
00:47:06,960 --> 00:47:10,480
just goes virtually nowhere, because yeah, all right, shooting concerns,

946
00:47:10,599 --> 00:47:13,639
big whoop, you fekre it out, Like the talent level

947
00:47:13,679 --> 00:47:17,239
here would be so ridiculous. Like even if you have

948
00:47:17,320 --> 00:47:20,719
to trade Stefan Castle for a better fit in terms

949
00:47:20,719 --> 00:47:24,559
of shooting and like fit wise, you probably do that

950
00:47:25,199 --> 00:47:28,760
because you just optimize Wemby and flag like Wemby.

951
00:47:28,440 --> 00:47:30,119
Speaker 3: As a shooting threat. I think we're.

952
00:47:30,000 --> 00:47:33,000
Speaker 2: All aligned that that's gonna work out pretty well.

953
00:47:33,280 --> 00:47:37,679
Speaker 1: And there it does spare him from the wear and

954
00:47:37,760 --> 00:47:40,239
tear when you're looking at how lean he is, like

955
00:47:40,280 --> 00:47:43,119
even at his peak like bulkiness, he's still going to

956
00:47:43,159 --> 00:47:46,400
be relatively skinny, if not extremely skinny, And so you

957
00:47:46,440 --> 00:47:48,800
do spare him from the Oh, let's have him like

958
00:47:49,079 --> 00:47:50,960
not banging down low in the post, like even if

959
00:47:51,000 --> 00:47:53,320
you're rolling to the basket, like that's going to be

960
00:47:53,360 --> 00:47:55,119
a more physical part of the game.

961
00:47:55,920 --> 00:48:00,880
Speaker 2: Defensively, there is potential there between Flag and Wempen to

962
00:48:01,079 --> 00:48:06,519
make Jared Allen and Evan Mowpley look like Marcus Speiser

963
00:48:06,559 --> 00:48:08,119
and Eddie Curry.

964
00:48:10,960 --> 00:48:11,679
Speaker 3: That's where we are.

965
00:48:12,639 --> 00:48:17,599
Speaker 1: And you add Castle to that too. Yeah, defensively score

966
00:48:18,000 --> 00:48:22,599
on that team Fox two. He can like Fox has

967
00:48:22,599 --> 00:48:25,440
like slowed down defensively in recent years because he's had

968
00:48:25,480 --> 00:48:27,719
to carry such a major offensive. Look, yeah, he'll be

969
00:48:27,719 --> 00:48:29,679
guarding the fourth best player on the roster all of

970
00:48:29,719 --> 00:48:30,079
a sudden.

971
00:48:30,159 --> 00:48:32,440
Speaker 3: Yeah that too, and he'll.

972
00:48:32,199 --> 00:48:35,280
Speaker 1: Turn like their version of Shay Gilges Alexander probably.

973
00:48:36,960 --> 00:48:40,119
Speaker 2: I mean, look, there is no need here. The need

974
00:48:40,280 --> 00:48:41,199
is at like one.

975
00:48:41,599 --> 00:48:43,760
Speaker 1: Well do they do? They need him the least of

976
00:48:43,800 --> 00:48:46,880
any team that we've talked about by Boss right, because

977
00:48:47,960 --> 00:48:50,119
it's any team in the lottery, Like, there's no I

978
00:48:50,159 --> 00:48:53,119
don't think there's unless you're really optimistic about the Sixers

979
00:48:53,119 --> 00:48:56,079
saying healthy. There's just no no case or any other team.

980
00:48:57,360 --> 00:49:00,199
We move on then to our next team, which is

981
00:49:00,559 --> 00:49:02,480
with a three point eight percent chance of winning the

982
00:49:02,480 --> 00:49:06,039
lottery thanks to the Phoenix Suns or I guess thanks

983
00:49:06,079 --> 00:49:08,280
to the Brooklyn Nets, or both of them, however you

984
00:49:08,280 --> 00:49:13,079
want to frame it. The Houston Rockets. This is This

985
00:49:13,199 --> 00:49:16,280
is interesting because if you think that Cooper Flag is

986
00:49:16,280 --> 00:49:19,039
the type of offensive engine that they need, I think

987
00:49:19,079 --> 00:49:20,960
you could make a case that there's a real need here.

988
00:49:21,400 --> 00:49:25,199
But we've talked a lot about redundancies, maybe not so

989
00:49:25,320 --> 00:49:28,679
much with strength but with weaknesses. And you add Cooper

990
00:49:28,719 --> 00:49:32,119
Flag to this roster, of all rosters, it's kind of

991
00:49:32,239 --> 00:49:35,599
just it's like a less extreme version of what if

992
00:49:35,599 --> 00:49:38,719
they went and traded for Riiannis attend to Koupo right right.

993
00:49:39,480 --> 00:49:44,000
Speaker 2: So it's fun because the need here is seen from

994
00:49:44,000 --> 00:49:48,239
a different priority level than say the Washington Wishards, where

995
00:49:48,280 --> 00:49:51,159
with the Wizards it's all about starting something. This is

996
00:49:51,199 --> 00:49:55,639
about finishing something. This is about completing something. This is

997
00:49:55,679 --> 00:49:59,960
about rounding out the roster to become a perennial championship contender.

998
00:50:00,599 --> 00:50:05,119
So yes, from that point, and from that perspective, the

999
00:50:05,199 --> 00:50:07,039
need is actually pretty big.

1000
00:50:07,679 --> 00:50:09,719
Speaker 3: I completely concede that point.

1001
00:50:10,559 --> 00:50:14,000
Speaker 2: But that said, look at who they have like that roster,

1002
00:50:14,559 --> 00:50:17,800
especially at the forward positions. They're not lacking in quality.

1003
00:50:18,280 --> 00:50:21,599
I'm in Thompson's probably that seems best player Charie Easton

1004
00:50:21,639 --> 00:50:24,599
isn't far behind. You have a boner on for Jabari

1005
00:50:24,679 --> 00:50:31,719
Smith Junior. Like this would they're not in need positionally

1006
00:50:32,039 --> 00:50:32,679
at the least.

1007
00:50:33,000 --> 00:50:37,480
Speaker 1: No, there's I just so I said this, I think

1008
00:50:37,519 --> 00:50:40,440
this is that Well, maybe it's not because they've like

1009
00:50:40,480 --> 00:50:42,400
taken a gradual approach, but like you could make a

1010
00:50:42,440 --> 00:50:45,840
case that if they won the Cooper Flag pick, would

1011
00:50:45,880 --> 00:50:49,639
you just say, hey, here's Cooper Flag, Jalen Green, and

1012
00:50:49,639 --> 00:50:50,960
then you figure out the rest of the money, maybe

1013
00:50:50,960 --> 00:50:53,719
picking up Fred Vanfleet's team option, and it's give us

1014
00:50:53,719 --> 00:50:56,119
Devin Booker and Kevin Durant, Like is that a movie

1015
00:50:56,119 --> 00:50:57,400
You're all of a sudden looking at.

1016
00:51:00,519 --> 00:51:01,800
Speaker 3: No, because I like the depth.

1017
00:51:03,360 --> 00:51:06,000
Speaker 1: I just gave up only two players from your rotation

1018
00:51:06,079 --> 00:51:08,320
this past year, like, and then you include if you

1019
00:51:08,320 --> 00:51:10,800
need to make the money work still like Jock Landale's

1020
00:51:10,800 --> 00:51:12,239
non guaranteed Wait wait wait.

1021
00:51:12,159 --> 00:51:15,599
Speaker 2: Wait, okay, okay. I thought you assumed that more players

1022
00:51:15,599 --> 00:51:17,199
were going out. So who am I left with now?

1023
00:51:17,239 --> 00:51:19,639
Speaker 1: If I'm Phoenix, I mean, and maybe you've given Phoenix

1024
00:51:19,639 --> 00:51:22,480
some of their picks back too. I don't, but it's

1025
00:51:23,079 --> 00:51:24,719
the base of the deal would be, is you could

1026
00:51:24,719 --> 00:51:28,800
get away with it Fred van Vliet, Cooper Flag and

1027
00:51:29,159 --> 00:51:33,320
Jalen Green and you're trading for Kevin Durant and Devin Booker.

1028
00:51:37,360 --> 00:51:41,039
Speaker 3: No, I want sustainability. I want sustainability.

1029
00:51:41,400 --> 00:51:45,320
Speaker 2: Why isn't that sustainable because Kevin Durant is forty seven

1030
00:51:45,400 --> 00:51:46,719
years old.

1031
00:51:47,480 --> 00:51:49,119
Speaker 1: Then you're left with Devin Booker and still some of

1032
00:51:49,119 --> 00:51:50,000
the Sons's other picks.

1033
00:51:50,360 --> 00:51:55,519
Speaker 2: Devin Booker, why what if Cooper Flag has the higher ceiling?

1034
00:51:55,679 --> 00:51:56,960
We don't know that that's something.

1035
00:51:57,280 --> 00:52:00,239
Speaker 1: Okay, that might be fair to ask, but are the

1036
00:52:00,320 --> 00:52:03,079
Rockets an environment in which he would ever approach that

1037
00:52:03,199 --> 00:52:06,159
higher ceiling? What is the pathway to Cooper Flagg actualizing

1038
00:52:06,239 --> 00:52:09,760
himself the best version himself? On this iteration of the

1039
00:52:09,840 --> 00:52:10,639
Rockets where.

1040
00:52:11,159 --> 00:52:14,079
Speaker 2: We always know that when teams draft a guy and

1041
00:52:14,119 --> 00:52:16,800
he becomes the best player, you kind of retailer the

1042
00:52:16,840 --> 00:52:19,519
team around the best player, why should we build off

1043
00:52:19,519 --> 00:52:22,719
the assumption that the roster remains intact. If we kind

1044
00:52:22,719 --> 00:52:25,079
of know that Flag is going to be like the

1045
00:52:25,119 --> 00:52:28,760
main guy.

1046
00:52:27,239 --> 00:52:29,480
Speaker 1: By your logic, then they should make that Booker and

1047
00:52:29,519 --> 00:52:31,320
Durant trade Because you just said on my Thomps is

1048
00:52:31,320 --> 00:52:32,400
the best player on the roster?

1049
00:52:32,880 --> 00:52:33,800
Speaker 3: I said he might be.

1050
00:52:35,559 --> 00:52:38,199
Speaker 2: But like if Cooper Flag comes in from day one

1051
00:52:38,400 --> 00:52:41,480
and it's the best player, which is the possibility.

1052
00:52:41,559 --> 00:52:42,119
Speaker 3: We don't know.

1053
00:52:44,239 --> 00:52:47,159
Speaker 2: I could see a scenario where they go, oh, like,

1054
00:52:47,239 --> 00:52:50,280
we have four or five guys all in the same

1055
00:52:50,320 --> 00:52:54,000
timeline who can give us a prolong window, whereas trading

1056
00:52:54,000 --> 00:52:58,719
for thirty seven year old Kevin Durant maybe not. Like,

1057
00:52:58,920 --> 00:53:01,320
don't get me wrong, I get the allure of KD.

1058
00:53:01,719 --> 00:53:03,679
I do, I absolutely do.

1059
00:53:03,920 --> 00:53:05,760
Speaker 1: I think I'm getting tongue up on the KD of

1060
00:53:05,800 --> 00:53:07,519
it all too much. I'm not saying they should go

1061
00:53:07,559 --> 00:53:11,000
on because of Kevin Durant. It's you're buying yourself time

1062
00:53:11,119 --> 00:53:14,000
now and later because Devin Bookers. Like I'm not trading

1063
00:53:14,000 --> 00:53:16,400
Cooper Flag just for Kevin Durant. You could also go

1064
00:53:16,480 --> 00:53:19,880
pick which like package you want for the Rockets to

1065
00:53:19,880 --> 00:53:22,360
go after. They could Cooper Flag will get you it.

1066
00:53:24,000 --> 00:53:28,960
Speaker 2: I would be more interested in like LaMelo I figured

1067
00:53:30,239 --> 00:53:36,760
in in like Gianni, is there if anything? What again?

1068
00:53:37,039 --> 00:53:38,840
You have to you have to pivot. But like I

1069
00:53:38,880 --> 00:53:41,639
and I know he's he's older than book but younger

1070
00:53:41,880 --> 00:53:45,599
than KD. It's like, I'm just like, why not can

1071
00:53:45,679 --> 00:53:48,079
you have to restructure things? You have to restructure things,

1072
00:53:48,119 --> 00:53:51,880
like even with the KD. I understand that your point is, oh,

1073
00:53:51,920 --> 00:53:54,039
we can just slide in KD. We can just slide

1074
00:53:54,039 --> 00:53:58,239
in book. I get it. But I would want the

1075
00:53:58,320 --> 00:54:02,960
best player, Okay, I mean I would won a top

1076
00:54:03,360 --> 00:54:06,280
what like, what is Gianna's top three?

1077
00:54:06,639 --> 00:54:07,639
Speaker 1: No lower than fifth?

1078
00:54:07,679 --> 00:54:08,679
Speaker 2: Probably right?

1079
00:54:09,639 --> 00:54:12,320
Speaker 3: Even fifth sounds ridiculously low for him, Like.

1080
00:54:12,360 --> 00:54:17,239
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, well, because there's Jokic, there's Shay and

1081
00:54:17,280 --> 00:54:19,679
then I think you, I mean like Luca this season,

1082
00:54:19,679 --> 00:54:20,960
there's not really like a strong case.

1083
00:54:21,000 --> 00:54:23,039
Speaker 3: No, no, no, janis over Luca this year for sure.

1084
00:54:22,960 --> 00:54:25,280
Speaker 1: For this year. But I was talking about over for

1085
00:54:25,360 --> 00:54:26,840
this year he was third. It was just he's gonna

1086
00:54:26,840 --> 00:54:29,360
finish third in MVP voting. Yeah, like maybe Tatum has

1087
00:54:29,360 --> 00:54:31,000
a case over him, maybe.

1088
00:54:32,760 --> 00:54:33,920
Speaker 3: Yeah, over Luca.

1089
00:54:34,039 --> 00:54:35,760
Speaker 1: You mean right, No, he has a case of this

1090
00:54:35,800 --> 00:54:37,320
season Tatum is a case over Luca.

1091
00:54:37,440 --> 00:54:40,199
Speaker 3: But yeah, yeah, yeah, but let's.

1092
00:54:40,039 --> 00:54:42,880
Speaker 1: Say Giannis is no lower than fourth, like let's account

1093
00:54:42,920 --> 00:54:45,719
for always Luca Luca at any point or whatever. Right,

1094
00:54:46,000 --> 00:54:47,960
So I get what you're saying about the talent playing

1095
00:54:48,000 --> 00:54:48,639
a vacuum.

1096
00:54:48,719 --> 00:54:52,280
Speaker 2: I just oh, you know, the spacing sucks on in

1097
00:54:52,320 --> 00:54:54,400
the if we assume that there aren't going to be

1098
00:54:54,440 --> 00:54:56,039
made follow up moves, yes.

1099
00:54:56,320 --> 00:54:58,960
Speaker 1: Especially if we also assume like oh, the contracts going out,

1100
00:54:59,000 --> 00:55:01,199
like some of your best floors, which would be Fred

1101
00:55:01,280 --> 00:55:04,199
van Fleet or Jalen Green, Right, they don't need they

1102
00:55:04,199 --> 00:55:05,119
don't need Cooper Flat.

1103
00:55:05,119 --> 00:55:05,760
Speaker 2: They get it.

1104
00:55:05,920 --> 00:55:07,360
Speaker 3: Just went way too long in this one.

1105
00:55:07,559 --> 00:55:11,960
Speaker 1: Yeah, the next team with a three point seven percent chance,

1106
00:55:12,440 --> 00:55:17,119
the Portland Trailblazers fun season. What's interesting about them moret

1107
00:55:17,400 --> 00:55:20,639
they're already good, Like we saw the size the defense

1108
00:55:20,719 --> 00:55:24,039
in action, Dannyavia was great, ended up being great after

1109
00:55:24,159 --> 00:55:27,559
somewhat slow star for them, Donovan Klingen, that was very impactful.

1110
00:55:30,079 --> 00:55:33,280
Who do you point to on this roster and say, okay,

1111
00:55:33,320 --> 00:55:36,760
like that's the guy of the future. There's options. I

1112
00:55:36,760 --> 00:55:39,039
think two of them, maybe three, depending on how you

1113
00:55:39,039 --> 00:55:41,519
feel about Anyavia. But I can't sit here and tell

1114
00:55:41,519 --> 00:55:43,800
you that I think Scoot or Shaden Sharp is going

1115
00:55:43,840 --> 00:55:47,159
to be that guy. I still don't know, and so

1116
00:55:47,239 --> 00:55:51,400
that kind of I think increases their need. Yeah, they're

1117
00:55:51,440 --> 00:55:54,760
almost in the Utah Jazz territory, but not as barren

1118
00:55:54,840 --> 00:55:55,960
of options. For sure.

1119
00:55:57,199 --> 00:55:59,599
Speaker 2: I think Denny is the guy moving forward, but I

1120
00:55:59,639 --> 00:56:04,000
also don't think we're looking at a version of him

1121
00:56:04,480 --> 00:56:09,320
who is in the same potential bracket as Cooper flag Well.

1122
00:56:09,360 --> 00:56:11,519
Speaker 1: I think that's the yeah, because I would say I'm

1123
00:56:11,559 --> 00:56:14,320
probably holding out hope more for Scoot than anyone. Actually,

1124
00:56:14,840 --> 00:56:17,039
if you're gonna say you think it's Denny, now you're

1125
00:56:17,119 --> 00:56:19,679
running into the same problem that Utah did because that's

1126
00:56:19,679 --> 00:56:22,880
not good enough. So you're like, I would think your

1127
00:56:22,880 --> 00:56:24,360
need for them would need to be through the roof,

1128
00:56:24,360 --> 00:56:26,039
So mine might be a little bit lower than yours.

1129
00:56:26,440 --> 00:56:31,840
I'd probably still have them at like a seven and

1130
00:56:31,880 --> 00:56:32,679
a half or eight.

1131
00:56:34,559 --> 00:56:37,079
Speaker 3: It's a significant need, yeah, because you.

1132
00:56:37,079 --> 00:56:39,920
Speaker 1: Want that definitive guy, which they don't that. I'll admit it.

1133
00:56:40,039 --> 00:56:41,800
I still love Scoop with that a'll and they just

1134
00:56:42,119 --> 00:56:46,119
what was Isn't that weird? This is it's adjacent to

1135
00:56:46,119 --> 00:56:49,280
what we're talking about. They just overhauled their assistance staff.

1136
00:56:49,400 --> 00:56:52,599
They fired I think three assistants. That's weird to do

1137
00:56:52,760 --> 00:56:55,320
after giving Chauncey Bills an extent, Like, doesn't that typically

1138
00:56:55,320 --> 00:56:59,599
portend that the coach isn't on the most stable footing? Yes,

1139
00:57:00,400 --> 00:57:04,440
And one of those coaches was apparently like that's the word,

1140
00:57:04,679 --> 00:57:08,280
like he was very responsible for Scoot Henderson's improvement this year.

1141
00:57:08,679 --> 00:57:11,159
So like that's just another thing that's I find interesting.

1142
00:57:11,280 --> 00:57:14,840
So maybe Portland needs Cooper flag more than even we're

1143
00:57:14,880 --> 00:57:16,079
giving saying that they do.

1144
00:57:17,280 --> 00:57:19,159
Speaker 3: I think there is a need there.

1145
00:57:19,480 --> 00:57:22,440
Speaker 2: I'm probably slightly higher on Denny than you are, but

1146
00:57:22,480 --> 00:57:24,840
I do agree with your overarching point of.

1147
00:57:25,320 --> 00:57:28,239
Speaker 1: You could tell me even if you sat here a

1148
00:57:28,239 --> 00:57:30,079
said Denny ABVI is going to be more valuable better

1149
00:57:30,079 --> 00:57:32,519
than lowry marketing. Yeah, I might actually agree with you

1150
00:57:32,800 --> 00:57:35,119
into like you could say that that's still just not

1151
00:57:35,159 --> 00:57:35,880
good enough to be.

1152
00:57:35,840 --> 00:57:38,719
Speaker 3: Like well enough, Yeah, I agree. I agree. So it's

1153
00:57:38,719 --> 00:57:39,760
actually a pretty big need.

1154
00:57:40,039 --> 00:57:43,519
Speaker 2: Like even if Denny tops out and like what is

1155
00:57:44,119 --> 00:57:46,159
I hate to put stats on something like that, but

1156
00:57:46,199 --> 00:57:48,199
like let's say he turns into like a twenty four

1157
00:57:48,239 --> 00:57:53,440
to eight guy, five assists whatever, Like all, sorry, caliber player? Cool,

1158
00:57:53,719 --> 00:57:58,639
You're absolutely right, that's not your number one guy?

1159
00:57:58,840 --> 00:58:03,360
Speaker 1: Right? And were they? So you have Washington and as

1160
00:58:03,400 --> 00:58:05,719
you're one, and then like you had Brooklyn is too,

1161
00:58:05,960 --> 00:58:08,320
I have Utah as one in Brooklyn as my two?

1162
00:58:08,960 --> 00:58:09,679
Do they need to be?

1163
00:58:09,960 --> 00:58:11,559
Speaker 3: Did you want me to keep track of?

1164
00:58:11,679 --> 00:58:14,920
Speaker 1: Like I'm just this is all, well, we'll pick our

1165
00:58:15,760 --> 00:58:18,199
top team at the end. Although you kind of said yours.

1166
00:58:17,920 --> 00:58:20,760
Speaker 2: All, I have mine a full spoiler, yeap.

1167
00:58:23,679 --> 00:58:25,800
Speaker 1: More than Utah or Brooklyn. I guess I'll ask do

1168
00:58:25,880 --> 00:58:28,400
the Blazers need it? Need it? Sorry? Do they need

1169
00:58:28,400 --> 00:58:32,119
Cooper Flag more than Brooklyn or Utah? No?

1170
00:58:32,239 --> 00:58:35,960
Speaker 2: I do think Utah needs more than migrators?

1171
00:58:36,199 --> 00:58:37,880
Speaker 1: Yeah, do they need it?

1172
00:58:38,280 --> 00:58:40,679
Speaker 2: Is just the NETS is so weird, right, because again,

1173
00:58:40,719 --> 00:58:43,960
the free agency element is there.

1174
00:58:44,840 --> 00:58:47,480
Speaker 1: I'm gonna say they don't because I at least have

1175
00:58:48,280 --> 00:58:51,480
someone I can point to and say, maybe Scoot is

1176
00:58:51,480 --> 00:58:55,480
still that top fifteen, top ten guy one day. Yeah,

1177
00:58:56,719 --> 00:58:59,400
just barely though, Like that's a there. That's a fascinating thing.

1178
00:58:59,440 --> 00:59:02,159
And by the way, of all the teams that need

1179
00:59:02,199 --> 00:59:04,920
Cooper flag the most, or I just want Cooper fla

1180
00:59:05,000 --> 00:59:06,719
to go to a team that has or whichever team

1181
00:59:06,760 --> 00:59:09,119
gets Cooper flag, please surround him with shooting Like I

1182
00:59:09,119 --> 00:59:10,800
don't want to see Cooper flag on this version of

1183
00:59:10,800 --> 00:59:12,719
the Blazers. I don't want to see him on this

1184
00:59:12,800 --> 00:59:15,840
very year's version of the or the current personnel with

1185
00:59:15,880 --> 00:59:18,800
the Raptors, Like that's just if you get Cooper flag, please,

1186
00:59:18,840 --> 00:59:20,239
I bet you surround him with shooters.

1187
00:59:20,679 --> 00:59:22,840
Speaker 2: Is that your seg to the next team?

1188
00:59:23,519 --> 00:59:26,360
Speaker 1: Speaking speaking of needing shooters.

1189
00:59:26,800 --> 00:59:30,280
Speaker 2: Oh okay, I thought I thought you were going Chicago

1190
00:59:30,360 --> 00:59:32,159
there because.

1191
00:59:33,320 --> 00:59:36,519
Speaker 1: Dallas started this season with Lukado ended this season with

1192
00:59:36,559 --> 00:59:38,960
a one point eight percent chance of landing Cooper Flag.

1193
00:59:39,000 --> 00:59:40,519
I don't really know what to make of any of that.

1194
00:59:41,239 --> 00:59:47,519
This is interesting, right, I mean sure, well, because I

1195
00:59:47,559 --> 00:59:49,920
think you could say they don't have their best play

1196
00:59:50,039 --> 00:59:53,280
because their long term view is two to three years.

1197
00:59:53,639 --> 00:59:56,199
They don't have anyone that you point you to say that's

1198
00:59:56,239 --> 00:59:58,360
going to be we know the face of our team,

1199
00:59:58,440 --> 01:00:03,320
of our direction three years from now. But they're also

1200
01:00:03,400 --> 01:00:05,880
looking to be immediately competitive and they have a lot

1201
01:00:05,920 --> 01:00:07,760
of talent on this roster that can help them do that.

1202
01:00:08,320 --> 01:00:11,400
Speaker 2: So they need him to trade him?

1203
01:00:11,880 --> 01:00:15,320
Speaker 1: No, I would wouldn't you say, well, because with Kyrie

1204
01:00:15,559 --> 01:00:17,679
missing a huge chunk of next year, couldn't they need

1205
01:00:17,760 --> 01:00:19,320
him to actually use him?

1206
01:00:20,000 --> 01:00:20,239
Speaker 3: Well?

1207
01:00:20,320 --> 01:00:24,440
Speaker 2: Sure, but let's look at it through the perspective of

1208
01:00:24,519 --> 01:00:27,239
them who are like, oh, yeah, we need veterans. Is

1209
01:00:27,280 --> 01:00:29,079
that gonna fly? Is that gonna wait? They get no.

1210
01:00:29,159 --> 01:00:32,199
Speaker 1: And then also it's you know, it does Cooper Flag

1211
01:00:32,320 --> 01:00:34,400
nudge You have Derek Lively, so I'm sure you're trying

1212
01:00:34,440 --> 01:00:35,840
to play all three of them at once, but it

1213
01:00:35,840 --> 01:00:39,079
probably nudges ad back towards the direction of the five

1214
01:00:39,320 --> 01:00:41,920
and then does he request a trade when that happens.

1215
01:00:42,119 --> 01:00:43,639
Speaker 3: So I want that to happen.

1216
01:00:43,719 --> 01:00:46,599
Speaker 2: And by the way, look, in terms of need, I'm

1217
01:00:46,639 --> 01:00:49,320
just not gonna put them particularly high for one reason.

1218
01:00:49,639 --> 01:00:52,519
They don't deserve to be high here. They don't they

1219
01:00:52,559 --> 01:00:55,039
they made their bed, They're they're in it. I feel

1220
01:00:55,079 --> 01:00:58,079
bad for MAVs fans to say that, because I understand

1221
01:00:58,079 --> 01:01:01,559
why mass fans would root the ever living hell out

1222
01:01:01,559 --> 01:01:05,239
of those one point eight percent odds. But I'm sorry,

1223
01:01:05,519 --> 01:01:09,199
your organization needs to suffer for a couple of years.

1224
01:01:10,159 --> 01:01:12,360
Speaker 1: And the other thing, too, is just like, if they're

1225
01:01:12,400 --> 01:01:17,719
gonna get this pick just to trade it, I like

1226
01:01:17,800 --> 01:01:20,320
that almost seems like really bad karma too, because I

1227
01:01:20,360 --> 01:01:20,800
don't know that.

1228
01:01:21,679 --> 01:01:26,400
Speaker 2: Imagine. Look, I'm sorry, just imagine he comes in and

1229
01:01:26,559 --> 01:01:30,960
he might have like a slightly higher body fat percentage

1230
01:01:32,400 --> 01:01:36,280
then what they expect, and they're like, Nope, can't keep you.

1231
01:01:36,400 --> 01:01:39,519
Let's let's see what we can get. That'd be fantastic.

1232
01:01:39,559 --> 01:01:41,800
I need that leaked immediately. If that happens.

1233
01:01:42,000 --> 01:01:45,440
Speaker 1: Is there any chance, just because now that Patrick Dumont

1234
01:01:45,480 --> 01:01:48,280
is kind of like, at least through indirect sources, like

1235
01:01:48,360 --> 01:01:51,159
distanced himself from the lugudot. He didn't realize how what

1236
01:01:51,199 --> 01:01:53,400
the fault was gonna be. Nico promised him it wouldn't

1237
01:01:53,440 --> 01:01:56,280
beat as bad or whatever. Is there a scenario where

1238
01:01:56,320 --> 01:02:01,599
if they won the Cooper Flag Sweepstakes that it forces

1239
01:02:01,639 --> 01:02:04,719
them to rebuild. Now now they are trading ad Nico

1240
01:02:04,760 --> 01:02:07,800
Harrison's probably getting canned at that point. So if you're

1241
01:02:07,800 --> 01:02:09,760
a MAVs fan, maybe you're used to root to win

1242
01:02:09,800 --> 01:02:11,920
the lottery regardless, I guess. But if you're a MAVs fan,

1243
01:02:12,480 --> 01:02:15,800
if you're really looking to be spared from the Nico

1244
01:02:15,840 --> 01:02:18,360
Harrison experience or whatever this direction is, you probably need

1245
01:02:18,400 --> 01:02:21,159
to root for the Of course, we already mentioned what

1246
01:02:21,199 --> 01:02:23,719
the flip side of that could be is Nico Harrison

1247
01:02:23,800 --> 01:02:26,400
still has the agency to carry out his vision. Cooper

1248
01:02:26,400 --> 01:02:28,039
Flag is probably playing elsewhere.

1249
01:02:28,320 --> 01:02:31,639
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, it's a good question. Though I'm going to

1250
01:02:31,719 --> 01:02:32,320
ring them low.

1251
01:02:32,440 --> 01:02:35,280
Speaker 2: I don't I'm not going to consider them in any

1252
01:02:35,400 --> 01:02:36,400
serious capacity.

1253
01:02:37,000 --> 01:02:41,079
Speaker 1: Our next team is your Chicago Bill with a one

1254
01:02:41,079 --> 01:02:45,719
point seven chance of winning the lottery. I just if

1255
01:02:45,760 --> 01:02:48,920
they win the Cooper Flag sweepstakes, Like, aren't they trading

1256
01:02:48,960 --> 01:02:51,360
him for CJ McCullum or something like, how does this work?

1257
01:02:52,480 --> 01:02:54,599
Speaker 3: I think you're aiming high with the cigam.

1258
01:02:57,280 --> 01:03:00,239
Speaker 1: The in theory though they need him, right because I

1259
01:03:00,320 --> 01:03:03,119
like Bouzells, I like Kobe White, but like none of.

1260
01:03:03,159 --> 01:03:06,239
Speaker 2: You aside right in as long as they don't go

1261
01:03:06,320 --> 01:03:09,559
out and do something stupid as re signing Josh Giddy

1262
01:03:09,599 --> 01:03:12,159
to ridiculous money and has him, you know, have him

1263
01:03:12,159 --> 01:03:13,239
become the starting point guard.

1264
01:03:13,400 --> 01:03:17,639
Speaker 1: Yeah, so where do they where do they land? For you?

1265
01:03:19,039 --> 01:03:22,440
Speaker 2: I mean, look, this is an organization who should be

1266
01:03:22,840 --> 01:03:25,159
somewhat high on the list in terms of need because

1267
01:03:25,599 --> 01:03:28,519
this is this is a front office that doesn't want

1268
01:03:28,559 --> 01:03:32,639
to build through the draft. They want to build actively

1269
01:03:33,039 --> 01:03:38,679
from the middle, which is beyond insanity. So from the

1270
01:03:38,719 --> 01:03:43,079
pure perspective of the fan base, and look, we have

1271
01:03:43,199 --> 01:03:46,000
to acknowledge that the Chicago fans are very very passionate

1272
01:03:46,000 --> 01:03:49,239
about their sports teams, I do think that there's a

1273
01:03:49,280 --> 01:03:52,119
big need here to just satisfy the fan base for

1274
01:03:52,159 --> 01:03:56,199
the Bulls themselves, because there's as competent as they are,

1275
01:03:57,400 --> 01:03:59,840
the need isn't big because I could see this ending

1276
01:04:00,039 --> 01:04:00,800
poorly for.

1277
01:04:04,320 --> 01:04:09,320
Speaker 1: They're like they're kind of in like Portland Territory, for

1278
01:04:09,440 --> 01:04:11,440
me because I'm looking at this from just like the

1279
01:04:11,519 --> 01:04:14,199
direction and like, who can you identify as the guiding

1280
01:04:14,239 --> 01:04:17,119
force and maybe having a player like like, I think

1281
01:04:17,159 --> 01:04:19,360
what does make front office jobs harder, as much as

1282
01:04:19,360 --> 01:04:21,000
we mean the shit out of the ones that might

1283
01:04:21,039 --> 01:04:23,480
do it incompetently. If you have someone that you can

1284
01:04:23,519 --> 01:04:26,079
point to and say, well, this is at least the

1285
01:04:26,119 --> 01:04:28,559
player around whom I'm going to try and structure everything

1286
01:04:28,599 --> 01:04:31,719
moving forward, it makes it easier for you to take risks,

1287
01:04:31,800 --> 01:04:33,480
or for you to even hit the reset button or

1288
01:04:33,519 --> 01:04:36,320
convince ownership to let you hit the reset button.

1289
01:04:36,320 --> 01:04:36,960
Speaker 3: It's all right.

1290
01:04:37,239 --> 01:04:39,719
Speaker 1: I think honestly you could make a case of me

1291
01:04:39,800 --> 01:04:43,519
that Chicago needs Cooper Flag more than Brooklyn needs Cooper Flag,

1292
01:04:43,559 --> 01:04:46,519
because at least you trust the front office in Brooklyn

1293
01:04:46,559 --> 01:04:48,239
to rebuild under their own cognizance.

1294
01:04:48,719 --> 01:04:51,960
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's almost like one of those situations where you

1295
01:04:52,000 --> 01:04:57,199
know it forces change, as you said, And but that's

1296
01:04:57,280 --> 01:05:01,320
the thing I keep hearing that Michael Reinstorf was gonna

1297
01:05:01,320 --> 01:05:06,519
take over from Jerry Reinstorf is even less creative than

1298
01:05:06,519 --> 01:05:11,039
his dad, which is saying something. So it's like and again, ownership,

1299
01:05:11,639 --> 01:05:16,039
as we know, plays a much larger role in the

1300
01:05:16,119 --> 01:05:19,760
success of NBA teams that we might are willing to

1301
01:05:19,760 --> 01:05:23,079
say out loud for it seemed like the Bulls. I'm

1302
01:05:23,119 --> 01:05:25,280
just sort of like, Okay, even if you get Cooper flag,

1303
01:05:26,920 --> 01:05:28,480
my next question is, how are you going to fuck

1304
01:05:28,480 --> 01:05:28,760
it up?

1305
01:05:30,679 --> 01:05:33,079
Speaker 1: That doesn't change their need though.

1306
01:05:33,000 --> 01:05:37,159
Speaker 2: Sure that's true, that is true, all right if we

1307
01:05:37,239 --> 01:05:39,599
isolate this to that their needs speaker than Brooklyn's.

1308
01:05:39,679 --> 01:05:42,559
Speaker 1: Yes, so that would if their needs bigger than Brooklyns.

1309
01:05:42,559 --> 01:05:44,400
I have them at number two behind Utah. That's kind

1310
01:05:44,440 --> 01:05:48,280
of wild that we're here with Chicago like all did

1311
01:05:48,320 --> 01:05:52,880
it to themselves. Our final team, they have a point

1312
01:05:52,880 --> 01:05:55,119
eight percent chance. The way the lottery, you got only

1313
01:05:55,159 --> 01:05:57,519
thirteen teams here because of the way that the draft

1314
01:05:57,559 --> 01:06:00,920
obligations shake out with Atlanta and San Antonio, the Sacramental

1315
01:06:01,000 --> 01:06:04,760
Kings the point eight percent chance. Domas a bonus is

1316
01:06:04,760 --> 01:06:08,440
planning on checking in this offseason. That was the reporting

1317
01:06:08,440 --> 01:06:10,480
and seeing how things are and what the future.

1318
01:06:10,280 --> 01:06:11,320
Speaker 3: Is as he should.

1319
01:06:11,559 --> 01:06:15,440
Speaker 1: Yes, look, if he doesn't want to play on Bulls West,

1320
01:06:15,599 --> 01:06:17,360
I think that says something about his character, and it

1321
01:06:17,400 --> 01:06:19,719
probably says something good about his character. It'll be quite honest.

1322
01:06:19,760 --> 01:06:22,639
Speaker 2: But oh, he's gonna play in Bulls East if Ricky

1323
01:06:22,639 --> 01:06:25,599
O'Donnell has his has his way, because it feels like

1324
01:06:25,760 --> 01:06:26,920
that's the next.

1325
01:06:26,719 --> 01:06:28,480
Speaker 1: Shoot Cooper flag for Sabonis.

1326
01:06:31,000 --> 01:06:33,920
Speaker 2: The funniest thing ever because then you get the the

1327
01:06:34,079 --> 01:06:41,960
Lithuanian superstar superstar, I say, NBA, yeah, and like he's

1328
01:06:42,039 --> 01:06:46,480
just the next next Era Center really just better, slightly better.

1329
01:06:46,519 --> 01:06:48,239
Speaker 1: But he's Artisanalcevich.

1330
01:06:48,280 --> 01:06:54,639
Speaker 2: Is that what you're saying, Oh, man, look again, Yeah

1331
01:06:54,719 --> 01:07:00,400
they need this, but incompetent ownership, I just I have

1332
01:07:00,440 --> 01:07:03,000
a hard time like rewarding a seem for like, oh

1333
01:07:03,119 --> 01:07:05,920
you need this player the most when they know they're

1334
01:07:06,000 --> 01:07:07,239
just dumbasses.

1335
01:07:08,440 --> 01:07:10,719
Speaker 1: And the other thing, too, is that even if you

1336
01:07:10,840 --> 01:07:15,360
don't feel good about Sacramento's direction and those in charge,

1337
01:07:16,320 --> 01:07:20,440
like their best player is just way better than Chicago's

1338
01:07:20,440 --> 01:07:22,440
best player right now, even with his flawed as the

1339
01:07:22,559 --> 01:07:25,480
roster is like Bonus is, whatever you think about him

1340
01:07:25,480 --> 01:07:28,239
in the playoffs, whatever you think about his defense and

1341
01:07:28,280 --> 01:07:31,119
the way that forces how you defend with him on

1342
01:07:31,159 --> 01:07:34,400
the floor, he's really fucking good. And so the need

1343
01:07:34,440 --> 01:07:37,719
isn't quite there. But if if, like before the lottery,

1344
01:07:38,239 --> 01:07:41,440
it comes out like he wants out, it's like, what

1345
01:07:41,480 --> 01:07:43,599
the hell's going on here? So then their need would increase,

1346
01:07:43,599 --> 01:07:46,840
so their need is high. But there's also like, if

1347
01:07:46,880 --> 01:07:51,599
you get Cooper Flag, I just don't know, like, what

1348
01:07:51,920 --> 01:07:54,480
are you tearing it down? Then? Because him and Sibonis

1349
01:07:54,519 --> 01:07:57,239
isn't an intuitive fit. De roseness still on this roster,

1350
01:07:58,679 --> 01:08:00,800
I would be even more con used about what the

1351
01:08:00,880 --> 01:08:03,760
case would do because this pick will basically if they don't,

1352
01:08:03,840 --> 01:08:05,760
I mean, if they're not gonna land, it's top twelve protected,

1353
01:08:05,800 --> 01:08:07,519
it goes to Atlanta, right, So he might not even

1354
01:08:07,559 --> 01:08:09,840
be worried about that having a first round pick, it

1355
01:08:09,880 --> 01:08:12,960
would be so bizarre. I don't I just don't know

1356
01:08:13,000 --> 01:08:14,760
what they would do. And then I don't mean that

1357
01:08:14,800 --> 01:08:16,680
in a bad way, because if you won the Cooper

1358
01:08:16,720 --> 01:08:20,359
Flag sweepstakes, that's an objectively good thing. I don't know

1359
01:08:20,520 --> 01:08:22,479
what how they would respond to it. If you told

1360
01:08:22,479 --> 01:08:25,079
me they traded that pick, I'd believe you. If you

1361
01:08:25,159 --> 01:08:27,119
told me they just tried to PLoP him in and

1362
01:08:27,159 --> 01:08:29,840
play him with everyone, I believe you. If you told

1363
01:08:29,840 --> 01:08:32,840
me that they traded the bonus, I'd believe you could

1364
01:08:32,840 --> 01:08:34,560
tell me anything and I would believe you.

1365
01:08:34,880 --> 01:08:37,159
Speaker 2: Yeah, I agreed, And that is always the sign of

1366
01:08:37,199 --> 01:08:38,680
such a great, great.

1367
01:08:40,439 --> 01:08:45,159
Speaker 1: Well. Optionality is a good thing unless it's like nonsensical

1368
01:08:45,279 --> 01:08:50,720
and like, so yeah, it would somehow getting Cooper flag.

1369
01:08:50,720 --> 01:08:54,239
There's a scenario where getting Cooper flag would inject the

1370
01:08:54,319 --> 01:08:58,159
direction with some coherence the Kings. It feels like it

1371
01:08:58,199 --> 01:09:01,199
would add to the incoherence or they've not built.

1372
01:09:01,760 --> 01:09:02,479
Speaker 3: You're not wrong.

1373
01:09:02,760 --> 01:09:05,960
Speaker 2: Yes, uh, it's it's bulls west as you said before,

1374
01:09:06,079 --> 01:09:09,920
in terms of like it can force a direction, but

1375
01:09:10,039 --> 01:09:12,840
at the same time, it's just not that optimistic.

1376
01:09:16,199 --> 01:09:18,079
Speaker 3: Man, where do I have them?

1377
01:09:18,520 --> 01:09:21,520
Speaker 1: They're they're not in my top three? No, Like I

1378
01:09:21,560 --> 01:09:28,119
think my top three are Utah at one, Chicago at two.

1379
01:09:28,720 --> 01:09:30,560
And this is this has nothing to do with deserve.

1380
01:09:30,640 --> 01:09:32,279
If we were to do like the team that deserves

1381
01:09:32,319 --> 01:09:34,319
it the most, like who's the most who is the

1382
01:09:34,319 --> 01:09:37,359
most ethical tanker this year? And it would be that

1383
01:09:37,399 --> 01:09:37,680
to you.

1384
01:09:39,199 --> 01:09:41,399
Speaker 3: Yeah, who is that? I don't even know who is

1385
01:09:41,439 --> 01:09:42,119
the most ethically.

1386
01:09:42,119 --> 01:09:44,039
Speaker 1: I think you could argue San Antonio was the most

1387
01:09:44,239 --> 01:09:47,960
most ethical lottery team because they're only like that's true

1388
01:09:48,079 --> 01:09:50,479
because of the Wemby injury. They might have wound up

1389
01:09:50,479 --> 01:09:53,880
in lottery anyway, though they weren't necessarily playing approximate there,

1390
01:09:54,239 --> 01:09:56,960
let's get to some Cooper flags of perlatives. Let's do that.

1391
01:09:57,279 --> 01:10:00,000
So what's the team that needs Cooper flag the most?

1392
01:10:00,479 --> 01:10:03,159
You have the Wizards. I have the Wizards, I have

1393
01:10:03,239 --> 01:10:05,319
the Jazz, But you could I think there's like real

1394
01:10:05,359 --> 01:10:08,800
cases for the Bulls or the Nets there. Yep, which

1395
01:10:08,840 --> 01:10:12,800
team deserves or which fan base if you want a

1396
01:10:12,840 --> 01:10:14,560
frame that deserves Cooper flag the.

1397
01:10:14,520 --> 01:10:19,680
Speaker 2: Most fan base Bulls because all the shenanigans that they've

1398
01:10:19,680 --> 01:10:21,840
been put through for so many years, and just the

1399
01:10:21,920 --> 01:10:24,680
volume fans that are there, Like because again I can

1400
01:10:24,720 --> 01:10:27,439
feel bad for Washington fans, but there are like four

1401
01:10:27,479 --> 01:10:30,520
of them, so it's like, wow, that's.

1402
01:10:31,520 --> 01:10:34,359
Speaker 3: No, it's not that it's not that big of a deal.

1403
01:10:35,399 --> 01:10:37,640
Speaker 2: Whereas with the Bulls there are at least a couple

1404
01:10:37,640 --> 01:10:40,760
of million, although they are dwindling by the second so

1405
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maybe they will be down to four by the time

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of the draft.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I think you could. I wouldn't be for the

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same reasons, but I think the answer would be between Chicago,

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Charlotte or Washington. For me, I'll just say Washington to

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go with some variety from you.

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Speaker 3: They are strictly because of like the fan base yes.

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01:10:59,279 --> 01:11:02,439
Speaker 1: Yeah, they deserve Cooper flag the most. What would be

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the worst Cooper flag landing spot.

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Speaker 2: Probably the Bulls, Like, honestly, the Bulls fans to serve

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01:11:13,479 --> 01:11:17,159
him the most, but the organization is the one that

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01:11:17,199 --> 01:11:20,880
deserves him the least. Where that is a situation where

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I just do not trust how they're going to handle it.

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They just fired the shooting coach, Peter Patton, who turned

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01:11:27,359 --> 01:11:30,800
the entire shooting profile around which had been a problem

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01:11:30,840 --> 01:11:33,000
for years, and then they fired him because he wasn't

1421
01:11:33,000 --> 01:11:35,520
a yes man for a Torrest Corner shovin. So like,

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01:11:35,920 --> 01:11:39,279
why would I trust that organization to do well with

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Cooper flag? Answer is I don't, So like deserves the least.

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01:11:44,399 --> 01:11:45,319
Chicago Bulls.

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Speaker 1: I I'm going to say the Sixers, I just don't

1426
01:11:51,880 --> 01:11:54,319
they're up there. I guess if you told me that

1427
01:11:54,399 --> 01:11:56,680
they were going to hit the reset button, yeah, I'm

1428
01:11:56,680 --> 01:11:58,359
okay with it. Then, But because I don't know that

1429
01:11:58,399 --> 01:12:00,800
they would do that, you'd either ding Cooper flag. And

1430
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then I'm wondering, Okay, well, who are you trading him

1431
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for or you're just trying to PLoP him in there?

1432
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And I don't love like the embid flag Paul, George Tyres,

1433
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Maxium just weird. I would watch it because it could

1434
01:12:12,399 --> 01:12:15,560
be like a car crash theory. Maybe what would be

1435
01:12:16,239 --> 01:12:19,520
the most unfair Cooper flag landing spot? San Antonio?

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Speaker 2: Right right? Obviously, I think you could make.

1437
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Speaker 1: A case for Houston though, right like that that could be.

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01:12:24,479 --> 01:12:26,279
Speaker 3: He could make a case, but it wouldn't hold up

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in court.

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Speaker 1: What would be the like the quirkiest where it's, oh, like,

1441
01:12:31,079 --> 01:12:32,800
what is you don't hate it, you don't love it?

1442
01:12:32,840 --> 01:12:33,720
What does this look like?

1443
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Speaker 3: Probably Sacramento, like because what the hell is that?

1444
01:12:39,399 --> 01:12:42,520
Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm gonna go with Houston. I don't know if

1445
01:12:42,720 --> 01:12:44,640
and then imagine if they don't make a trade, and

1446
01:12:44,680 --> 01:12:48,880
then it's Toronto too there, Toronto's also a candidate for sure,

1447
01:12:49,640 --> 01:12:51,920
but Houston with oh it's we have Cooper flag and

1448
01:12:51,960 --> 01:12:55,199
Ahmed Thompson and Jabari Smith Junior and Tari Easton. And

1449
01:12:55,239 --> 01:12:57,239
even if they make a move, it's imagine if they

1450
01:12:57,760 --> 01:13:00,279
then turned around somehow traded for your honest without luting

1451
01:13:00,319 --> 01:13:02,880
Cooper flag, that would be like wild too that people

1452
01:13:03,000 --> 01:13:08,079
are which team would be most likely to trade the

1453
01:13:08,119 --> 01:13:15,119
Cooper flag pick if they want it? Dallas, Dallas, I

1454
01:13:15,159 --> 01:13:22,119
think I'm gonna go with Philly. Mm hmm, that doesn't don't.

1455
01:13:23,560 --> 01:13:26,039
Speaker 3: I don't think. I don't think either is a bad choice.

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Speaker 1: I don't know if I have any other superlative categories.

1457
01:13:31,800 --> 01:13:38,319
I thought, uh, this was fun. More so, here's to

1458
01:13:38,479 --> 01:13:41,359
Utah or Washington. Those are the teams we decided need

1459
01:13:41,840 --> 01:13:45,079
Cooper Flag the most, but also with honorable mentions to Brooklyn.

1460
01:13:45,119 --> 01:13:48,119
And you're right about Chicago, they need him, but I

1461
01:13:48,119 --> 01:13:50,960
don't want to see him in Chicago like that. But

1462
01:13:51,359 --> 01:13:56,479
although Bozellis was fun, so it's maybe you could trust

1463
01:13:56,479 --> 01:13:58,079
them to do the right thing. I don't but like

1464
01:13:58,119 --> 01:13:59,279
maybe you could. I don't know.

1465
01:14:00,439 --> 01:14:03,239
Speaker 2: Wow, that is just injecting false hope into a.

1466
01:14:04,039 --> 01:14:06,600
Speaker 1: Yeah, they're gonna trade the versa bonus without including reach

1467
01:14:06,680 --> 01:14:08,720
in that package. You're gonna have booch ends a bonus

1468
01:14:08,840 --> 01:14:11,800
is your core moving forward? Can you tell our subscribers

1469
01:14:11,800 --> 01:14:14,000
where they can find you in all the work that

1470
01:14:14,039 --> 01:14:14,439
you do.

1471
01:14:14,840 --> 01:14:19,359
Speaker 2: Yes, I am currently writing a ton over ae Yahoo Sports, uh,

1472
01:14:19,800 --> 01:14:23,039
doing some off season primers and saying goodbye to teams

1473
01:14:23,079 --> 01:14:25,960
that get bounced in the playoffs, So you can find

1474
01:14:25,960 --> 01:14:28,920
my work there. I usually share a ton of them

1475
01:14:28,920 --> 01:14:30,600
on Blue Sky But here's the thing. I've been so

1476
01:14:30,680 --> 01:14:32,800
basic doing a lot of life stuff that I haven't

1477
01:14:32,800 --> 01:14:35,079
even had time to be on Blue Sky a whole lot.

1478
01:14:35,159 --> 01:14:38,119
So if you just go to Yahoo or just go

1479
01:14:38,159 --> 01:14:42,720
to Google search Yahoo and Morton that't my archive.

1480
01:14:42,439 --> 01:14:46,079
Speaker 3: Is gonna come up and go over doctor are Yeah,

1481
01:14:46,119 --> 01:14:47,800
And then you can find my work over at the

1482
01:14:47,920 --> 01:14:48,720
MP podcast.

1483
01:14:48,840 --> 01:14:51,000
Speaker 2: And you're Danish, by any chance, you can go find

1484
01:14:51,000 --> 01:14:51,720
it at a buzzer.

1485
01:14:53,800 --> 01:14:55,960
Speaker 1: Until next time, and as always, we need to shout

1486
01:14:56,000 --> 01:14:59,800
out to the one, the only, the indelible, Frank