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On May eleventh, 31 00:01:50.079 --> 00:01:55.799 twenty nineteen, as the first officer pilot, Christian kit Martin, 32 00:01:56.239 --> 00:01:59.920 a former Army ranger, was arrested by a swarm of 33 00:02:00.079 --> 00:02:03.920 heavily armed officers for the murders of three of his neighbors. 34 00:02:05.599 --> 00:02:10.159 The arrest captured global attention as Martin's mugshot clad in 35 00:02:10.199 --> 00:02:14.840 a pilot's uniform, spread across the Internet, sparking a media 36 00:02:14.879 --> 00:02:20.479 firestorm with headlines such as monster in the cockpit a 37 00:02:20.560 --> 00:02:25.159 combat helicopter pilot. Kit Martin had seen his life unravel 38 00:02:25.280 --> 00:02:30.199 after seeking a divorce. His wife's threatening words if you 39 00:02:30.360 --> 00:02:34.520 leave me, I will ruin your life, overheard by his daughter, 40 00:02:35.159 --> 00:02:39.000 seemed to have become a grim reality, escalating to a 41 00:02:39.039 --> 00:02:43.000 court martial and culminating in a high stakes murder trial 42 00:02:43.360 --> 00:02:48.000 at which he was convicted. I Will Ruin You The 43 00:02:48.120 --> 00:02:52.520 Twisted Truth behind the Kit Martin Murder Trial delves into 44 00:02:52.560 --> 00:02:57.680 the complex circumstances behind Martin's story. It looks beyond the 45 00:02:57.719 --> 00:03:01.719 sensational headlines and legal turmoil into the heart of this 46 00:03:01.879 --> 00:03:08.919 controversial case. With an investigative journalist's I author Emilio Corsetti 47 00:03:08.960 --> 00:03:12.400 the Third presents the facts of the crime that led 48 00:03:12.439 --> 00:03:15.960 to the arrest and the extraordinary links used to secure 49 00:03:15.960 --> 00:03:21.439 a conviction in this unforgettable true crime page turner. The 50 00:03:21.439 --> 00:03:24.439 book that we're featuring this evening is I Will Ruin 51 00:03:24.520 --> 00:03:28.560 You The Twisted Truth behind the Kit Martin Murder Trial 52 00:03:29.120 --> 00:03:34.919 with my special guest author, Emilio Corsetti the Third. Good 53 00:03:34.960 --> 00:03:39.120 evening and welcome to the program. Emilio Corsetti the Third. 54 00:03:40.319 --> 00:03:41.840 Yes, yes, thanks you for having me. 55 00:03:42.639 --> 00:03:45.479 Thank you so much, and congratulations on this book. 56 00:03:46.039 --> 00:03:46.400 Thank you. 57 00:03:47.599 --> 00:03:51.360 Let's talk about right away the cast of characters that 58 00:03:51.439 --> 00:03:57.479 you introduce and the the location where all of this 59 00:03:57.759 --> 00:04:02.639 emanates from. Talk about in County Pembroke, Kentucky. 60 00:04:03.879 --> 00:04:10.199 Well, the book starts off with a specific date, and 61 00:04:10.280 --> 00:04:15.479 that date to September five, September fifth, twenty twelve, and 62 00:04:15.879 --> 00:04:18.920 the reason it starts off with that date is because 63 00:04:19.000 --> 00:04:25.560 everything that transpired for the next ten fifteen years, while 64 00:04:25.639 --> 00:04:31.240 ten years occurred on that date and at the time, 65 00:04:32.560 --> 00:04:37.920 Kitt was living in Pembroke in the house that's become 66 00:04:38.000 --> 00:04:40.839 known as the Yellow House. They were living in the 67 00:04:41.199 --> 00:04:45.079 Yellow House in Pembroke, which is a small rural town 68 00:04:45.680 --> 00:04:49.920 in the southwestern corner of the state. Kit was his daughter, 69 00:04:50.040 --> 00:04:54.680 Mackenzie was living in the house, and then Joan, his wife, 70 00:04:55.079 --> 00:04:59.120 and her three kids, e j, Alma, and Essie were 71 00:04:59.160 --> 00:05:03.879 all living together. But on this particular night, things and 72 00:05:04.040 --> 00:05:08.160 reached the point where there was an argument, and that 73 00:05:08.319 --> 00:05:13.160 argument led to it asking for a divorce, and that 74 00:05:13.319 --> 00:05:19.759 set everything in motion because Jones's response from that statement 75 00:05:20.480 --> 00:05:23.879 was that she was going to ruin his life and 76 00:05:23.959 --> 00:05:29.560 his military career by accusing him of abuse and adding 77 00:05:29.600 --> 00:05:34.480 that she knew how to do it, and she certainly did, you. 78 00:05:34.399 --> 00:05:38.480 Say, this story seems to evolve and she asks for information. 79 00:05:39.560 --> 00:05:42.920 She's in a particular situation if there is going to 80 00:05:42.959 --> 00:05:47.639 be a divorce, financial dire straits. So she's asking some 81 00:05:47.759 --> 00:05:51.920 questions while she's just beginning to make allegations and just 82 00:05:52.000 --> 00:05:55.720 beginning for her to be asked if she wants some 83 00:05:55.800 --> 00:05:59.240 assistance from police. Tell us about that. 84 00:06:01.000 --> 00:06:06.000 Well. So on that night of the September fifth, twenty twelve, 85 00:06:08.040 --> 00:06:13.839 when Joan makes her threat, drawing his military career in 86 00:06:13.839 --> 00:06:18.000 his life by accusing him of abuse, it makes the decision. 87 00:06:18.639 --> 00:06:21.199 He basically says, Okay, if you want to accuse me 88 00:06:21.279 --> 00:06:24.839 of abuse, I'll call the police and you can make 89 00:06:24.879 --> 00:06:28.040 your accusation right now. So that's what he did. He 90 00:06:28.600 --> 00:06:31.839 called the police, and then moments later Joan got on 91 00:06:31.879 --> 00:06:34.639 the phone and she called nine to one one accusing 92 00:06:35.160 --> 00:06:42.240 it of domestic abuse. So that night the police three 93 00:06:42.279 --> 00:06:46.720 officers arrived at the scene and it was decided that 94 00:06:47.519 --> 00:06:51.600 Kit and his daughter Mackenzie would leave the residence. And 95 00:06:51.639 --> 00:06:58.800 then Joan declined any medical help. She declined going to 96 00:06:59.439 --> 00:07:05.399 a abuse center for abused women, but later that evening 97 00:07:05.480 --> 00:07:08.000 she had a change of heart and she decided to 98 00:07:08.040 --> 00:07:11.600 go to this abuse center because it would make her 99 00:07:11.720 --> 00:07:16.040 claims more credible, and her and her three kids left 100 00:07:16.040 --> 00:07:21.879 the house in Pembroke and went to the shelter in Hopkinsville, Kentucky. 101 00:07:24.439 --> 00:07:28.279 Now tell us about Joan her history as far as 102 00:07:28.800 --> 00:07:32.319 hit Martin is concerned, and the circumstances in which he 103 00:07:32.399 --> 00:07:36.399 met her and the situation that he believed that she 104 00:07:36.560 --> 00:07:38.360 was in at the time that they did meet. 105 00:07:39.800 --> 00:07:48.079 So John came into the picture after his divorce from 106 00:07:48.160 --> 00:07:57.199 his first wife, Stacy. So Kit wasn't someone who did 107 00:07:57.240 --> 00:08:01.319 a lot of dating, and he put a personal ad. 108 00:08:01.680 --> 00:08:07.399 That's how he found is his second his fiancee also 109 00:08:07.519 --> 00:08:09.560 is the personal ad. But he put personal ad in 110 00:08:09.600 --> 00:08:13.279 the paper and Joan was one of the women who 111 00:08:13.399 --> 00:08:18.639 responded to that ad. When they met. Joan told this 112 00:08:18.720 --> 00:08:22.600 elaborate story. How not on the night that they met, 113 00:08:22.639 --> 00:08:26.920 but within weeks of meeting, Joan came up with the 114 00:08:26.959 --> 00:08:31.519 story that she was being abused by her husband and 115 00:08:31.560 --> 00:08:33.679 that she felt threatened by him and that he was 116 00:08:33.679 --> 00:08:39.000 abusing her children. And so Getting made the decision to 117 00:08:40.600 --> 00:08:42.720 help her move out of what he thought was her 118 00:08:42.759 --> 00:08:48.840 apartment because her as Joan had told him that her 119 00:08:49.159 --> 00:08:54.600 ex her husband was stalking her. So he helped to 120 00:08:54.679 --> 00:08:57.200 move Joan and their three kids into a rental property 121 00:08:57.240 --> 00:08:59.919 that he co owned with his wife, his ex wife, Stacy. 122 00:09:01.440 --> 00:09:07.200 So that's how that relationship went. And I at one point, 123 00:09:07.720 --> 00:09:11.080 at that point, actually the kid had decided that he 124 00:09:11.519 --> 00:09:13.639 wasn't going to have a relationship with this woman, but 125 00:09:13.679 --> 00:09:15.639 he was going to help her in her in those 126 00:09:15.639 --> 00:09:20.679 three kids, because he felt he believed that she was 127 00:09:20.720 --> 00:09:25.519 being abused and that her husband was stalking her, her 128 00:09:25.639 --> 00:09:29.039 ex husband, as she explained it. But as it turns out, 129 00:09:29.759 --> 00:09:33.600 and he would learn this later on, not only was 130 00:09:35.120 --> 00:09:40.279 Carlo's her her ex husband, she was still married to him. 131 00:09:40.720 --> 00:09:44.519 In the apartment that Kit had helped her move out of, 132 00:09:45.480 --> 00:09:50.200 it was actually there combined their shared living space. So 133 00:09:50.840 --> 00:09:53.440 they did this while he was at work. So the 134 00:09:53.440 --> 00:09:55.000 whole thing was was a lie. 135 00:09:57.279 --> 00:10:02.320 You say that Kit realizes the combination of her stories 136 00:10:02.360 --> 00:10:07.759 and inconsistencies and just her overall seemed like her lying behavior, 137 00:10:08.720 --> 00:10:12.200 and wanted to break up with her. He but you 138 00:10:12.240 --> 00:10:15.600 say that she got him back by talking about that 139 00:10:15.720 --> 00:10:19.639 her brother had died in Iraq, So you know, and I. 140 00:10:19.639 --> 00:10:22.720 Still have not been able to verify the veracity of 141 00:10:22.759 --> 00:10:27.960 that story. But what happened was, I guess Joan had 142 00:10:28.000 --> 00:10:31.039 sensed that that Kit wasn't going to be in the picture, 143 00:10:31.159 --> 00:10:34.480 so she I don't know if it may very well 144 00:10:34.519 --> 00:10:37.279 be true. I had some information that indicates that it 145 00:10:37.320 --> 00:10:40.960 may be true that her brother died in Iraq, and 146 00:10:42.360 --> 00:10:46.399 Kit had decided to meet up with Joan to console her, 147 00:10:46.840 --> 00:10:50.279 and then that rekindled the relationship. Then the next thing 148 00:10:50.320 --> 00:10:56.039 that happened was that Kit was deciding he wanted to 149 00:10:56.039 --> 00:10:58.399 get back into the mill. At that time when they met, 150 00:10:58.559 --> 00:11:02.600 he was just in the reserve full time military, but 151 00:11:02.799 --> 00:11:06.440 since he was divorced and free to do whatever he 152 00:11:06.480 --> 00:11:09.159 wanted to do, at that point, he made a decision 153 00:11:09.159 --> 00:11:11.679 he was in to go back into the military full time, 154 00:11:13.519 --> 00:11:18.039 but at that particular time period, if he did go 155 00:11:18.120 --> 00:11:20.519 back into the military full time, there was a real 156 00:11:20.600 --> 00:11:25.279 high probability that he would be sent overseas. And by 157 00:11:25.320 --> 00:11:31.039 this time Kid had come attached to Jones's children, especially 158 00:11:31.080 --> 00:11:35.840 the two young girls. So he made a kind of 159 00:11:35.840 --> 00:11:39.720 a rass decision, and they went to the courthouse designed 160 00:11:39.720 --> 00:11:42.879 to get the paperwork for getting married, and they ended 161 00:11:42.960 --> 00:11:46.600 up signing the paperwork and finalizing the marriage right there 162 00:11:46.600 --> 00:11:51.440 at the clerk's office. And so he was shipped off 163 00:11:52.360 --> 00:11:56.039 to do some military work I think for six months 164 00:11:56.080 --> 00:11:59.360 to a year, and then they went to Germany, just 165 00:11:59.399 --> 00:12:00.919 as he did thought he was going to. 166 00:12:00.840 --> 00:12:06.480 Be you say. They came back to the US in 167 00:12:06.480 --> 00:12:11.080 twenty ten and they moved to Rhode Island and Kit 168 00:12:11.240 --> 00:12:15.039 pursues a master's degree in National Defense at the Navy 169 00:12:15.960 --> 00:12:21.360 War College. Right now they have a house in Pembroke, Kentucky. 170 00:12:22.960 --> 00:12:26.679 But what is the marriage characterized by, especially in terms 171 00:12:26.720 --> 00:12:28.519 of her behavior and who is she seemed to be 172 00:12:28.559 --> 00:12:29.639 spending a lot of time with. 173 00:12:30.919 --> 00:12:34.840 Well, they they haven't spent a lot of time before 174 00:12:34.879 --> 00:12:38.799 they got married. And then because of his full time 175 00:12:38.840 --> 00:12:45.440 military commitments and when they went overseas to Germany, Kit 176 00:12:45.600 --> 00:12:49.039 spent he had three tours of duty in Iraq. One 177 00:12:49.200 --> 00:12:52.519 was on it as a ground was on the ground, 178 00:12:52.600 --> 00:12:57.120 and then two tours were as an Apache attack helicopter pilot, 179 00:12:58.039 --> 00:13:00.720 so he was gone a lot of the time. And 180 00:13:00.799 --> 00:13:03.559 when he was home, he was only home for a 181 00:13:03.600 --> 00:13:06.600 few months before he was shipped off for another tour 182 00:13:06.639 --> 00:13:10.879 of duty. So they hadn't spent that much time together. 183 00:13:11.679 --> 00:13:14.200 And then when he went to Rhode Island, he was 184 00:13:14.240 --> 00:13:17.720 going to school full time at the War College. So 185 00:13:17.840 --> 00:13:22.440 their time in Pembroke, which they would have started moved 186 00:13:22.440 --> 00:13:26.399 to Pembroke, I guess in twenty eleven. It was the 187 00:13:26.440 --> 00:13:29.399 first time that they actually spent some time together. And 188 00:13:29.440 --> 00:13:32.960 I actually mentioned that The Pembroke is a very short 189 00:13:33.039 --> 00:13:37.159 drive from Fort Campbell, Kentucky, where Kit was based with 190 00:13:37.200 --> 00:13:43.360 the one hundred and first Airborne Division. So that was 191 00:13:43.440 --> 00:13:49.639 when things had started to sour long before that, but 192 00:13:49.679 --> 00:13:55.519 by now though, it was a constant attention in the relationship, 193 00:13:56.360 --> 00:14:01.080 and it was as witnessed by Kits daughter McKenzie. 194 00:14:02.759 --> 00:14:06.519 So you introduced a neighbor, Calvin Phillips, So tell us 195 00:14:06.559 --> 00:14:09.960 what the word is or the rumor is around So John, 196 00:14:10.720 --> 00:14:11.759 she was a homemaker. 197 00:14:11.799 --> 00:14:17.320 She she didn't work. That was a source of frustration 198 00:14:17.480 --> 00:14:21.600 and arguments, the fact that Kit was the sole provider. 199 00:14:21.639 --> 00:14:25.600 But I mean she was maintaining the household. But while 200 00:14:25.639 --> 00:14:29.360 Kit was at Fort Campbell, she would often spend time 201 00:14:29.399 --> 00:14:35.120 with the neighbor across the street, Calvin Phillips, and his wife, 202 00:14:35.480 --> 00:14:40.159 Pam Phillips, was someone who also spent the day working 203 00:14:40.840 --> 00:14:43.240 at a bank. She was a compliance officer at a 204 00:14:43.240 --> 00:14:48.240 bank in Hopkins of the Old Kentucky. So while Kit 205 00:14:48.519 --> 00:14:53.799 was at Fort Campbell and Pam was at the bank, 206 00:14:55.840 --> 00:14:59.600 Calvin and Joan spent a lot of time together. And 207 00:15:00.759 --> 00:15:06.440 there were some suspicions that before this whole argument, that 208 00:15:06.519 --> 00:15:11.559 there was something really going On, But the truth of 209 00:15:11.759 --> 00:15:16.879 that relationship, some of the facts that relationship wouldn't come 210 00:15:16.919 --> 00:15:21.399 out till after this big argument on September twelve or 211 00:15:21.440 --> 00:15:22.960 September fifth, twenty twelve. 212 00:15:24.720 --> 00:15:28.600 Let's talk about what happens after that, again getting back 213 00:15:28.639 --> 00:15:33.159 to Joan, where she complains what information she finds out 214 00:15:33.200 --> 00:15:37.639 in terms of potential aid or her Now she's in 215 00:15:38.080 --> 00:15:42.279 dire financial straits, so what's the information that she learns? 216 00:15:42.399 --> 00:15:45.440 And then now what is the story that she is 217 00:15:46.039 --> 00:15:47.399 alleging happened? 218 00:15:47.879 --> 00:15:53.440 Okay, So when Joan issued her threat to ruin his 219 00:15:53.600 --> 00:15:59.960 life by accusing him of abuse, the evidence points to 220 00:16:00.120 --> 00:16:02.200 the fact that she had just been waiting for an 221 00:16:02.240 --> 00:16:08.759 opportunity to introduce these images that she had taken of 222 00:16:08.840 --> 00:16:14.679 her son, Elijah Harmon, who had some injuries to his back, 223 00:16:15.120 --> 00:16:18.120 to his neck, and to the side of his face, 224 00:16:19.000 --> 00:16:24.600 which she claimed was caused by a beating from Kit 225 00:16:25.360 --> 00:16:28.200 over an incident that happened when he was in Rhode Island. 226 00:16:29.679 --> 00:16:33.759 So that was she had just been waiting. Actually, in 227 00:16:33.799 --> 00:16:37.639 the weeks before this this argument that led to Kit 228 00:16:37.799 --> 00:16:41.960 asking for a divorce, Joan had been showing these pictures 229 00:16:42.360 --> 00:16:45.519 all over the place. She would anybody that she came 230 00:16:45.559 --> 00:16:48.440 in contact. She was showing these pictures trying to show 231 00:16:48.480 --> 00:16:52.879 that her husband had abused her, her child, and she 232 00:16:52.960 --> 00:16:55.799 had the proof to show for it, right, She had 233 00:16:55.840 --> 00:17:02.639 these images. And so when everything got set in motion, 234 00:17:02.840 --> 00:17:06.400 when kid asked for a divorce, Joan was already she 235 00:17:06.480 --> 00:17:08.839 had everything planned out. She knew exactly what she had 236 00:17:08.880 --> 00:17:12.599 to do. She had to contact the Child Protective Services 237 00:17:13.000 --> 00:17:18.680 on the civil side, and she had to contact the 238 00:17:18.759 --> 00:17:23.880 child obviously program with the military to get things rolling 239 00:17:23.960 --> 00:17:28.400 on that side. And she let everybody know about these 240 00:17:28.440 --> 00:17:31.759 images because that was really the only proof other than 241 00:17:33.599 --> 00:17:36.079 what the kids would actually say once they were questioned 242 00:17:36.119 --> 00:17:41.279 by investigators. And at some point it was cleared by 243 00:17:41.400 --> 00:17:45.799 civilian investigators from any kind of abuse with the children, 244 00:17:47.279 --> 00:17:55.839 but there was there was multiple investigations actually that resulted 245 00:17:55.920 --> 00:18:01.039 from both these pictures that Joan had of alleged abuse 246 00:18:01.960 --> 00:18:09.599 and some computer a laptop computer and some CDs that 247 00:18:09.680 --> 00:18:14.440 were labeled with the top secret and Kit's name on him, 248 00:18:15.119 --> 00:18:17.920 and that was handed over to the FBI. The FBI 249 00:18:18.039 --> 00:18:21.720 handed it over to the military, and then another investigation 250 00:18:22.000 --> 00:18:30.039 was started about Kit potentially being an international spy, so 251 00:18:30.759 --> 00:18:32.920 he had all these things he was you know, he 252 00:18:33.000 --> 00:18:35.119 spent all his time trying to put out all these 253 00:18:35.160 --> 00:18:39.839 fires that Joan was starting in her goal of trying 254 00:18:39.880 --> 00:18:46.039 to win his military career in his life, and things 255 00:18:46.079 --> 00:18:53.599 progressed from just a simple slap on the risk because 256 00:18:53.640 --> 00:18:57.720 he had this classified information on this computer which did 257 00:18:57.799 --> 00:19:02.640 belong to him, and it did contain classified information. But 258 00:19:02.720 --> 00:19:08.400 there is a story behind that, and kid denied beating 259 00:19:10.519 --> 00:19:18.319 ej Elijah or the two girls, but when the investigators 260 00:19:18.359 --> 00:19:24.759 came to question the kids, they basically they basically said, yeah, 261 00:19:24.799 --> 00:19:28.920 he's like the worst person in the world. And that 262 00:19:29.359 --> 00:19:32.640 that thing moved things further from just a slap on 263 00:19:32.720 --> 00:19:38.319 the wrist to eventually not only was he facing a 264 00:19:38.400 --> 00:19:43.160 court martial, but because of the way things developed in 265 00:19:43.240 --> 00:19:47.680 this particular case, with accusations building on top of accusations 266 00:19:48.000 --> 00:19:53.480 on top of accusations, he was facing up to fifty 267 00:19:53.519 --> 00:19:57.839 eight years in prison and military prison for sexual assault. 268 00:19:58.599 --> 00:20:03.319 Because at one t point when Joan felt well, see 269 00:20:04.039 --> 00:20:10.480 when the news the news broke that Joan wasn't legally 270 00:20:11.279 --> 00:20:14.880 married to Kit because she was still legally married to 271 00:20:15.039 --> 00:20:21.759 her first husband, Carlos. That threw a wrench into Joan's 272 00:20:21.839 --> 00:20:28.480 plans of getting military assistants because now she was not 273 00:20:28.640 --> 00:20:33.160 the spouse, the legal spouse of a military member. So 274 00:20:33.440 --> 00:20:38.400 knowing that she couldn't get military assistants, she couldn't collect 275 00:20:38.400 --> 00:20:42.759 on his retirement. She wasn't able to get any kind 276 00:20:42.759 --> 00:20:47.279 of got offense from the military over these child abuse 277 00:20:47.319 --> 00:20:52.680 claims because they were married. But what she could do 278 00:20:53.599 --> 00:20:57.160 without being married is accused him of sexual assault, which 279 00:20:57.200 --> 00:21:00.599 was another accusation that she brought on almost eighteen months later, 280 00:21:00.759 --> 00:21:05.559 after she had asked for a divorce, after investigators had 281 00:21:05.599 --> 00:21:10.359 already questioned her repeatedly multiple times, is there anything else 282 00:21:10.400 --> 00:21:11.799 do you want to tell us? Is there anything else 283 00:21:11.880 --> 00:21:15.359 you want to tell us? But you know, so now 284 00:21:15.400 --> 00:21:20.319 she accused, accused Kit of sexual assault while they were married. 285 00:21:21.240 --> 00:21:25.279 And you know, I can't prove this, and I don't 286 00:21:25.279 --> 00:21:27.920 know if this was the motivation or not, but you 287 00:21:28.039 --> 00:21:33.759 can collect benefits military benefits in a sexual assault even 288 00:21:33.799 --> 00:21:36.480 if you weren't married to that person. It happens all 289 00:21:36.480 --> 00:21:36.880 the time. 290 00:21:38.359 --> 00:21:44.440 Now, who is questioning this narrative from Joan? And as 291 00:21:44.480 --> 00:21:47.720 a result, who do they want to question specifically? 292 00:21:48.839 --> 00:21:54.079 Well, okay, so John makes an accusation that Kit is 293 00:21:54.160 --> 00:21:58.519 responsible for child abuse. She has these images of EJ, 294 00:21:59.599 --> 00:22:02.319 but the b him is she has nothing to back 295 00:22:02.359 --> 00:22:06.640 it up other than what her three kids are saying 296 00:22:07.160 --> 00:22:10.559 and what she's saying, right, she never filed any kind 297 00:22:10.559 --> 00:22:15.759 of police reports. You would assume that if EJ had 298 00:22:15.799 --> 00:22:19.480 received this beating that left all these marks on his body, 299 00:22:19.519 --> 00:22:23.839 that she would have have had medical attention, she would 300 00:22:23.880 --> 00:22:27.640 have filed charges accused him of abuse at that time. 301 00:22:28.079 --> 00:22:33.480 But she didn't do that. So investigators were going looking 302 00:22:33.559 --> 00:22:38.680 for collaboration of this abuse and they weren't finding it. 303 00:22:39.319 --> 00:22:45.200 They did everything. They questioned neighbors and co workers in Germany, 304 00:22:45.720 --> 00:22:49.200 and military members in Germany who worked with Kit and 305 00:22:49.839 --> 00:22:56.480 new Joan. They they questioned neighbors that lived with near 306 00:22:56.599 --> 00:23:02.039 Kit in Rhode Island. They questioned and you know about 307 00:23:02.079 --> 00:23:06.559 a year after the divorce that the kid had asked 308 00:23:06.559 --> 00:23:11.440 for a divorce from Joan. He met another woman online, Laura. 309 00:23:12.119 --> 00:23:17.319 So you know, investigators came up with this this lie 310 00:23:18.240 --> 00:23:23.160 that they wanted to do a security search of the 311 00:23:23.240 --> 00:23:26.519 house and that the Kit knew about it. Well, not 312 00:23:26.680 --> 00:23:28.680 only did Kit not know about it, but he was 313 00:23:28.720 --> 00:23:34.359 being detained on base. Why they conducted this basically illegal 314 00:23:34.440 --> 00:23:39.480 search and The reason they were doing this search is 315 00:23:39.519 --> 00:23:43.599 because among the accusations between Joan and our kids was 316 00:23:43.640 --> 00:23:49.119 that kid had used a bamboos stick in a room 317 00:23:49.200 --> 00:23:54.480 and whip and whenever he beat the kids. So they 318 00:23:54.559 --> 00:23:58.559 went there to question Laura under the guise of doing 319 00:23:58.640 --> 00:24:03.599 a security check, and in reality they had another ulterior motive, 320 00:24:03.640 --> 00:24:07.200 which was to find evidence of this bamboo stick or 321 00:24:07.319 --> 00:24:11.799 this woman whip, which they didn't find. And in addition 322 00:24:11.920 --> 00:24:17.839 to that, they interviewed Laura and her two kids, and 323 00:24:17.880 --> 00:24:24.599 they when they interviewed the Jones three kids, they interviewed 324 00:24:24.680 --> 00:24:29.319 him as a group. Now, speaking of the book The 325 00:24:29.440 --> 00:24:33.839 Edge of Doubt, which involves child abuse, one of the 326 00:24:33.880 --> 00:24:38.759 things that you do is that you interview the children separately, right, right, 327 00:24:39.200 --> 00:24:43.160 But they interviewed him as a group, and they made 328 00:24:43.200 --> 00:24:50.319 statements that contradicted later statements. But when they interviewed Laura 329 00:24:50.359 --> 00:24:54.160 and her two kids, they denied that there was any abuse. 330 00:24:54.279 --> 00:25:00.680 There was no sexual misconduct between Kit and the ER's daughter. 331 00:25:01.839 --> 00:25:09.599 They also interviewed kids children, two kids, and of course 332 00:25:09.599 --> 00:25:14.839 there was no abuse alleged there. So despite their efforts, 333 00:25:15.279 --> 00:25:20.839 they were unable to find any corroborating evidence of abuse. 334 00:25:21.640 --> 00:25:25.519 That's sort of where Calvin comes in and to play 335 00:25:25.720 --> 00:25:32.400 in this whole scheme. This whole story is because Calvin 336 00:25:33.519 --> 00:25:39.799 and Joan together brought the the laptop and the CDs 337 00:25:39.960 --> 00:25:46.559 to the FBI. They were interested in Calvin because of 338 00:25:46.599 --> 00:25:50.319 his his connection to the to that that classified information, 339 00:25:51.160 --> 00:25:55.720 and when they called to Joan had apparently had made 340 00:25:55.799 --> 00:26:01.400 copies of these alleged abuse images. And when the investigators 341 00:26:01.440 --> 00:26:09.880 investigating the classified materials called Calvin to ask him more 342 00:26:09.920 --> 00:26:13.519 about this classified information and how he came about finding it, 343 00:26:14.519 --> 00:26:16.920 Calvin had made a statement that he had these pictures 344 00:26:16.960 --> 00:26:23.279 of alleged abuse of EJ. And then that elevated what 345 00:26:23.440 --> 00:26:24.920 was like I said, it was supposed to be a 346 00:26:25.519 --> 00:26:28.880 simple Article fifteen in the military, which is a slap 347 00:26:28.920 --> 00:26:33.480 on the risk for mishandling classified information into much more 348 00:26:33.559 --> 00:26:39.480 serious charges of child abuse Calvin. As things progressed and 349 00:26:39.519 --> 00:26:43.440 they were unable to corroborate Jones's accusations, they started to 350 00:26:43.480 --> 00:26:50.480 rely more on Calvin as opposed to Joan because as 351 00:26:50.480 --> 00:26:55.480 the investigation progressed, they learned that Joan had learned and 352 00:26:55.640 --> 00:26:59.839 lied about the father of EJ, who she had claimed 353 00:27:00.079 --> 00:27:04.119 had died in a logging accident. And had been beheaded, 354 00:27:04.599 --> 00:27:08.119 and all that turned out to not be true. Then 355 00:27:08.200 --> 00:27:12.400 Joan had lied about being divorced from her husband Carlos. 356 00:27:12.960 --> 00:27:16.559 Not only was that not true, but she had taken 357 00:27:17.000 --> 00:27:22.799 her two young girls and EJ and moved without modification 358 00:27:23.039 --> 00:27:27.559 of where she was going, and Carlos was unable to 359 00:27:27.640 --> 00:27:31.559 locate her and had not seen his two girls for 360 00:27:31.640 --> 00:27:37.599 over ten years. So Jones Jones' credibility had slowly been 361 00:27:37.640 --> 00:27:42.559 going down in the minds of the Jag prosecutors. Their 362 00:27:43.359 --> 00:27:47.680 decision was they were going to rely on Calvin to 363 00:27:47.759 --> 00:27:53.519 be their star witness. The problem with their their plan, though, 364 00:27:53.799 --> 00:27:57.880 is that Kid had hired a private investigator, and the 365 00:27:57.920 --> 00:28:00.680 private investigator was the one who found out about the 366 00:28:00.680 --> 00:28:05.079 fact that Joan wasn't divorced. He hired another private investigator 367 00:28:05.319 --> 00:28:08.799 who learned that J's flather had not died in a 368 00:28:08.839 --> 00:28:12.960 logging accident. The private investigator he had there were two. 369 00:28:13.960 --> 00:28:19.440 They went and interviewed Calvin, actually there was there was 370 00:28:19.440 --> 00:28:23.680 a very lengthy interview that Calvin agreed to do that 371 00:28:23.680 --> 00:28:27.759 that took place actually in Pmbroke in front of his house, 372 00:28:28.559 --> 00:28:32.559 under the tree in his front yard. In that interview, 373 00:28:33.279 --> 00:28:38.680 Calvin made statements that he was not aware of Joan 374 00:28:38.720 --> 00:28:41.599 had never said anything to him about being sexually assaulted, 375 00:28:43.079 --> 00:28:47.240 Joan had never said anything about him abusing the girls 376 00:28:47.799 --> 00:28:53.559 in a sexual way, and his only corroboration of abuse 377 00:28:53.759 --> 00:28:55.880 was these pictures which was given to him by Joan. 378 00:28:56.839 --> 00:29:00.640 So when and then there was also the That's affair, 379 00:29:01.160 --> 00:29:07.000 and when Calvin denied it once there was there was 380 00:29:07.079 --> 00:29:09.400 evidence that that pointed to the fact that there was 381 00:29:09.440 --> 00:29:13.000 an a fair at least there was some sexual at 382 00:29:13.119 --> 00:29:16.480 least two witnesses had caught them in the act, So 383 00:29:17.359 --> 00:29:22.799 it's hard to deny that. But Calvin's statements that he 384 00:29:23.000 --> 00:29:26.160 wasn't he Joan had never said anything about a sexual 385 00:29:26.160 --> 00:29:30.200 assault or child abuse of the of the girls was 386 00:29:30.799 --> 00:29:35.880 it was very important to kids case in what turned 387 00:29:35.920 --> 00:29:40.440 out to be a court martial because Calvin could say that, 388 00:29:41.279 --> 00:29:44.640 you know, he can deny that Joan had ever said 389 00:29:44.640 --> 00:29:50.200 anything about abuse, even though they were so close together 390 00:29:50.279 --> 00:29:55.039 in a relationship. So that's how Calvin became a witness 391 00:29:55.200 --> 00:30:00.240 not only for the the jack prosecutors, but for its 392 00:30:00.279 --> 00:30:05.079 defense in the court martial. And then as things progressed, 393 00:30:05.960 --> 00:30:10.759 the JAG prosecutors had set a plan in motion. Because 394 00:30:11.279 --> 00:30:16.599 Joan was such an unreliable witness and her accusation, specially 395 00:30:17.039 --> 00:30:23.720 of sexual assault, would not hold up under questioning. They 396 00:30:23.839 --> 00:30:29.160 decided that they were going to keep Joan on the rope, 397 00:30:29.279 --> 00:30:30.920 on one. 398 00:30:30.279 --> 00:30:34.880 Hand, letting her think believe that she was going to 399 00:30:34.920 --> 00:30:37.960 succeed in her goal of boining Kit's life by putting 400 00:30:38.079 --> 00:30:41.680 him in prison for fifty plus years for sexual assault, 401 00:30:42.160 --> 00:30:46.000