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Speaker 7: Good evening moments before boarding a passenger flight. On May eleventh,
Speaker 7: twenty nineteen, as the first officer pilot, Christian kit Martin,
Speaker 7: a former Army ranger, was arrested by a swarm of
Speaker 7: heavily armed officers for the murders of three of his neighbors.
Speaker 7: The arrest captured global attention as Martin's mugshot clad in
Speaker 7: a pilot's uniform, spread across the Internet, sparking a media
Speaker 7: firestorm with headlines such as monster in the cockpit a
Speaker 7: combat helicopter pilot. Kit Martin had seen his life unravel
Speaker 7: after seeking a divorce. His wife's threatening words if you
Speaker 7: leave me, I will ruin your life, overheard by his daughter,
Speaker 7: seemed to have become a grim reality, escalating to a
Speaker 7: court martial and culminating in a high stakes murder trial
Speaker 7: at which he was convicted. I Will Ruin You The
Speaker 7: Twisted Truth behind the Kit Martin Murder Trial delves into
Speaker 7: the complex circumstances behind Martin's story. It looks beyond the
Speaker 7: sensational headlines and legal turmoil into the heart of this
Speaker 7: controversial case. With an investigative journalist's I author Emilio Corsetti
Speaker 7: the Third presents the facts of the crime that led
Speaker 7: to the arrest and the extraordinary links used to secure
Speaker 7: a conviction in this unforgettable true crime page turner. The
Speaker 7: book that we're featuring this evening is I Will Ruin
Speaker 7: You The Twisted Truth behind the Kit Martin Murder Trial
Speaker 7: with my special guest author, Emilio Corsetti the Third. Good
Speaker 7: evening and welcome to the program. Emilio Corsetti the Third.
Speaker 4: Yes, yes, thanks you for having me.
Speaker 7: Thank you so much, and congratulations on this book.
Speaker 4: Thank you.
Speaker 7: Let's talk about right away the cast of characters that
Speaker 7: you introduce and the the location where all of this
Speaker 7: emanates from. Talk about in County Pembroke, Kentucky.
Speaker 4: Well, the book starts off with a specific date, and
Speaker 4: that date to September five, September fifth, twenty twelve, and
Speaker 4: the reason it starts off with that date is because
Speaker 4: everything that transpired for the next ten fifteen years, while
Speaker 4: ten years occurred on that date and at the time,
Speaker 4: Kitt was living in Pembroke in the house that's become
Speaker 4: known as the Yellow House. They were living in the
Speaker 4: Yellow House in Pembroke, which is a small rural town
Speaker 4: in the southwestern corner of the state. Kit was his daughter,
Speaker 4: Mackenzie was living in the house, and then Joan, his wife,
Speaker 4: and her three kids, e j, Alma, and Essie were
Speaker 4: all living together. But on this particular night, things and
Speaker 4: reached the point where there was an argument, and that
Speaker 4: argument led to it asking for a divorce, and that
Speaker 4: set everything in motion because Jones's response from that statement
Speaker 4: was that she was going to ruin his life and
Speaker 4: his military career by accusing him of abuse and adding
Speaker 4: that she knew how to do it, and she certainly did, you.
Speaker 7: Say, this story seems to evolve and she asks for information.
Speaker 7: She's in a particular situation if there is going to
Speaker 7: be a divorce, financial dire straits. So she's asking some
Speaker 7: questions while she's just beginning to make allegations and just
Speaker 7: beginning for her to be asked if she wants some
Speaker 7: assistance from police. Tell us about that.
Speaker 4: Well. So on that night of the September fifth, twenty twelve,
Speaker 4: when Joan makes her threat, drawing his military career in
Speaker 4: his life by accusing him of abuse, it makes the decision.
Speaker 4: He basically says, Okay, if you want to accuse me
Speaker 4: of abuse, I'll call the police and you can make
Speaker 4: your accusation right now. So that's what he did. He
Speaker 4: called the police, and then moments later Joan got on
Speaker 4: the phone and she called nine to one one accusing
Speaker 4: it of domestic abuse. So that night the police three
Speaker 4: officers arrived at the scene and it was decided that
Speaker 4: Kit and his daughter Mackenzie would leave the residence. And
Speaker 4: then Joan declined any medical help. She declined going to
Speaker 4: a abuse center for abused women, but later that evening
Speaker 4: she had a change of heart and she decided to
Speaker 4: go to this abuse center because it would make her
Speaker 4: claims more credible, and her and her three kids left
Speaker 4: the house in Pembroke and went to the shelter in Hopkinsville, Kentucky.
Speaker 7: Now tell us about Joan her history as far as
Speaker 7: hit Martin is concerned, and the circumstances in which he
Speaker 7: met her and the situation that he believed that she
Speaker 7: was in at the time that they did meet.
Speaker 4: So John came into the picture after his divorce from
Speaker 4: his first wife, Stacy. So Kit wasn't someone who did
Speaker 4: a lot of dating, and he put a personal ad.
Speaker 4: That's how he found is his second his fiancee also
Speaker 4: is the personal ad. But he put personal ad in
Speaker 4: the paper and Joan was one of the women who
Speaker 4: responded to that ad. When they met. Joan told this
Speaker 4: elaborate story. How not on the night that they met,
Speaker 4: but within weeks of meeting, Joan came up with the
Speaker 4: story that she was being abused by her husband and
Speaker 4: that she felt threatened by him and that he was
Speaker 4: abusing her children. And so Getting made the decision to
Speaker 4: help her move out of what he thought was her
Speaker 4: apartment because her as Joan had told him that her
Speaker 4: ex her husband was stalking her. So he helped to
Speaker 4: move Joan and their three kids into a rental property
Speaker 4: that he co owned with his wife, his ex wife, Stacy.
Speaker 4: So that's how that relationship went. And I at one point,
Speaker 4: at that point, actually the kid had decided that he
Speaker 4: wasn't going to have a relationship with this woman, but
Speaker 4: he was going to help her in her in those
Speaker 4: three kids, because he felt he believed that she was
Speaker 4: being abused and that her husband was stalking her, her
Speaker 4: ex husband, as she explained it. But as it turns out,
Speaker 4: and he would learn this later on, not only was
Speaker 4: Carlo's her her ex husband, she was still married to him.
Speaker 4: In the apartment that Kit had helped her move out of,
Speaker 4: it was actually there combined their shared living space. So
Speaker 4: they did this while he was at work. So the
Speaker 4: whole thing was was a lie.
Speaker 7: You say that Kit realizes the combination of her stories
Speaker 7: and inconsistencies and just her overall seemed like her lying behavior,
Speaker 7: and wanted to break up with her. He but you
Speaker 7: say that she got him back by talking about that
Speaker 7: her brother had died in Iraq, So you know, and I.
Speaker 4: Still have not been able to verify the veracity of
Speaker 4: that story. But what happened was, I guess Joan had
Speaker 4: sensed that that Kit wasn't going to be in the picture,
Speaker 4: so she I don't know if it may very well
Speaker 4: be true. I had some information that indicates that it
Speaker 4: may be true that her brother died in Iraq, and
Speaker 4: Kit had decided to meet up with Joan to console her,
Speaker 4: and then that rekindled the relationship. Then the next thing
Speaker 4: that happened was that Kit was deciding he wanted to
Speaker 4: get back into the mill. At that time when they met,
Speaker 4: he was just in the reserve full time military, but
Speaker 4: since he was divorced and free to do whatever he
Speaker 4: wanted to do, at that point, he made a decision
Speaker 4: he was in to go back into the military full time,
Speaker 4: but at that particular time period, if he did go
Speaker 4: back into the military full time, there was a real
Speaker 4: high probability that he would be sent overseas. And by
Speaker 4: this time Kid had come attached to Jones's children, especially
Speaker 4: the two young girls. So he made a kind of
Speaker 4: a rass decision, and they went to the courthouse designed
Speaker 4: to get the paperwork for getting married, and they ended
Speaker 4: up signing the paperwork and finalizing the marriage right there
Speaker 4: at the clerk's office. And so he was shipped off
Speaker 4: to do some military work I think for six months
Speaker 4: to a year, and then they went to Germany, just
Speaker 4: as he did thought he was going to.
Speaker 7: Be you say. They came back to the US in
Speaker 7: twenty ten and they moved to Rhode Island and Kit
Speaker 7: pursues a master's degree in National Defense at the Navy
Speaker 7: War College. Right now they have a house in Pembroke, Kentucky.
Speaker 7: But what is the marriage characterized by, especially in terms
Speaker 7: of her behavior and who is she seemed to be
Speaker 7: spending a lot of time with.
Speaker 4: Well, they they haven't spent a lot of time before
Speaker 4: they got married. And then because of his full time
Speaker 4: military commitments and when they went overseas to Germany, Kit
Speaker 4: spent he had three tours of duty in Iraq. One
Speaker 4: was on it as a ground was on the ground,
Speaker 4: and then two tours were as an Apache attack helicopter pilot,
Speaker 4: so he was gone a lot of the time. And
Speaker 4: when he was home, he was only home for a
Speaker 4: few months before he was shipped off for another tour
Speaker 4: of duty. So they hadn't spent that much time together.
Speaker 4: And then when he went to Rhode Island, he was
Speaker 4: going to school full time at the War College. So
Speaker 4: their time in Pembroke, which they would have started moved
Speaker 4: to Pembroke, I guess in twenty eleven. It was the
Speaker 4: first time that they actually spent some time together. And
Speaker 4: I actually mentioned that The Pembroke is a very short
Speaker 4: drive from Fort Campbell, Kentucky, where Kit was based with
Speaker 4: the one hundred and first Airborne Division. So that was
Speaker 4: when things had started to sour long before that, but
Speaker 4: by now though, it was a constant attention in the relationship,
Speaker 4: and it was as witnessed by Kits daughter McKenzie.
Speaker 7: So you introduced a neighbor, Calvin Phillips, So tell us
Speaker 7: what the word is or the rumor is around So John,
Speaker 7: she was a homemaker.
Speaker 4: She she didn't work. That was a source of frustration
Speaker 4: and arguments, the fact that Kit was the sole provider.
Speaker 4: But I mean she was maintaining the household. But while
Speaker 4: Kit was at Fort Campbell, she would often spend time
Speaker 4: with the neighbor across the street, Calvin Phillips, and his wife,
Speaker 4: Pam Phillips, was someone who also spent the day working
Speaker 4: at a bank. She was a compliance officer at a
Speaker 4: bank in Hopkins of the Old Kentucky. So while Kit
Speaker 4: was at Fort Campbell and Pam was at the bank,
Speaker 4: Calvin and Joan spent a lot of time together. And
Speaker 4: there were some suspicions that before this whole argument, that
Speaker 4: there was something really going On, But the truth of
Speaker 4: that relationship, some of the facts that relationship wouldn't come
Speaker 4: out till after this big argument on September twelve or
Speaker 4: September fifth, twenty twelve.
Speaker 7: Let's talk about what happens after that, again getting back
Speaker 7: to Joan, where she complains what information she finds out
Speaker 7: in terms of potential aid or her Now she's in
Speaker 7: dire financial straits, so what's the information that she learns?
Speaker 7: And then now what is the story that she is
Speaker 7: alleging happened?
Speaker 4: Okay, So when Joan issued her threat to ruin his
Speaker 4: life by accusing him of abuse, the evidence points to
Speaker 4: the fact that she had just been waiting for an
Speaker 4: opportunity to introduce these images that she had taken of
Speaker 4: her son, Elijah Harmon, who had some injuries to his back,
Speaker 4: to his neck, and to the side of his face,
Speaker 4: which she claimed was caused by a beating from Kit
Speaker 4: over an incident that happened when he was in Rhode Island.
Speaker 4: So that was she had just been waiting. Actually, in
Speaker 4: the weeks before this this argument that led to Kit
Speaker 4: asking for a divorce, Joan had been showing these pictures
Speaker 4: all over the place. She would anybody that she came
Speaker 4: in contact. She was showing these pictures trying to show
Speaker 4: that her husband had abused her, her child, and she
Speaker 4: had the proof to show for it, right, She had
Speaker 4: these images. And so when everything got set in motion,
Speaker 4: when kid asked for a divorce, Joan was already she
Speaker 4: had everything planned out. She knew exactly what she had
Speaker 4: to do. She had to contact the Child Protective Services
Speaker 4: on the civil side, and she had to contact the
Speaker 4: child obviously program with the military to get things rolling
Speaker 4: on that side. And she let everybody know about these
Speaker 4: images because that was really the only proof other than
Speaker 4: what the kids would actually say once they were questioned
Speaker 4: by investigators. And at some point it was cleared by
Speaker 4: civilian investigators from any kind of abuse with the children,
Speaker 4: but there was there was multiple investigations actually that resulted
Speaker 4: from both these pictures that Joan had of alleged abuse
Speaker 4: and some computer a laptop computer and some CDs that
Speaker 4: were labeled with the top secret and Kit's name on him,
Speaker 4: and that was handed over to the FBI. The FBI
Speaker 4: handed it over to the military, and then another investigation
Speaker 4: was started about Kit potentially being an international spy, so
Speaker 4: he had all these things he was you know, he
Speaker 4: spent all his time trying to put out all these
Speaker 4: fires that Joan was starting in her goal of trying
Speaker 4: to win his military career in his life, and things
Speaker 4: progressed from just a simple slap on the risk because
Speaker 4: he had this classified information on this computer which did
Speaker 4: belong to him, and it did contain classified information. But
Speaker 4: there is a story behind that, and kid denied beating
Speaker 4: ej Elijah or the two girls, but when the investigators
Speaker 4: came to question the kids, they basically they basically said, yeah,
Speaker 4: he's like the worst person in the world. And that
Speaker 4: that thing moved things further from just a slap on
Speaker 4: the wrist to eventually not only was he facing a
Speaker 4: court martial, but because of the way things developed in
Speaker 4: this particular case, with accusations building on top of accusations
Speaker 4: on top of accusations, he was facing up to fifty
Speaker 4: eight years in prison and military prison for sexual assault.
Speaker 4: Because at one t point when Joan felt well, see
Speaker 4: when the news the news broke that Joan wasn't legally
Speaker 4: married to Kit because she was still legally married to
Speaker 4: her first husband, Carlos. That threw a wrench into Joan's
Speaker 4: plans of getting military assistants because now she was not
Speaker 4: the spouse, the legal spouse of a military member. So
Speaker 4: knowing that she couldn't get military assistants, she couldn't collect
Speaker 4: on his retirement. She wasn't able to get any kind
Speaker 4: of got offense from the military over these child abuse
Speaker 4: claims because they were married. But what she could do
Speaker 4: without being married is accused him of sexual assault, which
Speaker 4: was another accusation that she brought on almost eighteen months later,
Speaker 4: after she had asked for a divorce, after investigators had
Speaker 4: already questioned her repeatedly multiple times, is there anything else
Speaker 4: do you want to tell us? Is there anything else
Speaker 4: you want to tell us? But you know, so now
Speaker 4: she accused, accused Kit of sexual assault while they were married.
Speaker 4: And you know, I can't prove this, and I don't
Speaker 4: know if this was the motivation or not, but you
Speaker 4: can collect benefits military benefits in a sexual assault even
Speaker 4: if you weren't married to that person. It happens all
Speaker 4: the time.
Speaker 7: Now, who is questioning this narrative from Joan? And as
Speaker 7: a result, who do they want to question specifically?
Speaker 4: Well, okay, so John makes an accusation that Kit is
Speaker 4: responsible for child abuse. She has these images of EJ,
Speaker 4: but the b him is she has nothing to back
Speaker 4: it up other than what her three kids are saying
Speaker 4: and what she's saying, right, she never filed any kind
Speaker 4: of police reports. You would assume that if EJ had
Speaker 4: received this beating that left all these marks on his body,
Speaker 4: that she would have have had medical attention, she would
Speaker 4: have filed charges accused him of abuse at that time.
Speaker 4: But she didn't do that. So investigators were going looking
Speaker 4: for collaboration of this abuse and they weren't finding it.
Speaker 4: They did everything. They questioned neighbors and co workers in Germany,
Speaker 4: and military members in Germany who worked with Kit and
Speaker 4: new Joan. They they questioned neighbors that lived with near
Speaker 4: Kit in Rhode Island. They questioned and you know about
Speaker 4: a year after the divorce that the kid had asked
Speaker 4: for a divorce from Joan. He met another woman online, Laura.
Speaker 4: So you know, investigators came up with this this lie
Speaker 4: that they wanted to do a security search of the
Speaker 4: house and that the Kit knew about it. Well, not
Speaker 4: only did Kit not know about it, but he was
Speaker 4: being detained on base. Why they conducted this basically illegal
Speaker 4: search and The reason they were doing this search is
Speaker 4: because among the accusations between Joan and our kids was
Speaker 4: that kid had used a bamboos stick in a room
Speaker 4: and whip and whenever he beat the kids. So they
Speaker 4: went there to question Laura under the guise of doing
Speaker 4: a security check, and in reality they had another ulterior motive,
Speaker 4: which was to find evidence of this bamboo stick or
Speaker 4: this woman whip, which they didn't find. And in addition
Speaker 4: to that, they interviewed Laura and her two kids, and
Speaker 4: they when they interviewed the Jones three kids, they interviewed
Speaker 4: him as a group. Now, speaking of the book The
Speaker 4: Edge of Doubt, which involves child abuse, one of the
Speaker 4: things that you do is that you interview the children separately, right, right,
Speaker 4: But they interviewed him as a group, and they made
Speaker 4: statements that contradicted later statements. But when they interviewed Laura
Speaker 4: and her two kids, they denied that there was any abuse.
Speaker 4: There was no sexual misconduct between Kit and the ER's daughter.
Speaker 4: They also interviewed kids children, two kids, and of course
Speaker 4: there was no abuse alleged there. So despite their efforts,
Speaker 4: they were unable to find any corroborating evidence of abuse.
Speaker 4: That's sort of where Calvin comes in and to play
Speaker 4: in this whole scheme. This whole story is because Calvin
Speaker 4: and Joan together brought the the laptop and the CDs
Speaker 4: to the FBI. They were interested in Calvin because of
Speaker 4: his his connection to the to that that classified information,
Speaker 4: and when they called to Joan had apparently had made
Speaker 4: copies of these alleged abuse images. And when the investigators
Speaker 4: investigating the classified materials called Calvin to ask him more
Speaker 4: about this classified information and how he came about finding it,
Speaker 4: Calvin had made a statement that he had these pictures
Speaker 4: of alleged abuse of EJ. And then that elevated what
Speaker 4: was like I said, it was supposed to be a
Speaker 4: simple Article fifteen in the military, which is a slap
Speaker 4: on the risk for mishandling classified information into much more
Speaker 4: serious charges of child abuse Calvin. As things progressed and
Speaker 4: they were unable to corroborate Jones's accusations, they started to
Speaker 4: rely more on Calvin as opposed to Joan because as
Speaker 4: the investigation progressed, they learned that Joan had learned and
Speaker 4: lied about the father of EJ, who she had claimed
Speaker 4: had died in a logging accident. And had been beheaded,
Speaker 4: and all that turned out to not be true. Then
Speaker 4: Joan had lied about being divorced from her husband Carlos.
Speaker 4: Not only was that not true, but she had taken
Speaker 4: her two young girls and EJ and moved without modification
Speaker 4: of where she was going, and Carlos was unable to
Speaker 4: locate her and had not seen his two girls for
Speaker 4: over ten years. So Jones Jones' credibility had slowly been
Speaker 4: going down in the minds of the Jag prosecutors. Their
Speaker 4: decision was they were going to rely on Calvin to
Speaker 4: be their star witness. The problem with their their plan, though,
Speaker 4: is that Kid had hired a private investigator, and the
Speaker 4: private investigator was the one who found out about the
Speaker 4: fact that Joan wasn't divorced. He hired another private investigator
Speaker 4: who learned that J's flather had not died in a
Speaker 4: logging accident. The private investigator he had there were two.
Speaker 4: They went and interviewed Calvin, actually there was there was
Speaker 4: a very lengthy interview that Calvin agreed to do that
Speaker 4: that took place actually in Pmbroke in front of his house,
Speaker 4: under the tree in his front yard. In that interview,
Speaker 4: Calvin made statements that he was not aware of Joan
Speaker 4: had never said anything to him about being sexually assaulted,
Speaker 4: Joan had never said anything about him abusing the girls
Speaker 4: in a sexual way, and his only corroboration of abuse
Speaker 4: was these pictures which was given to him by Joan.
Speaker 4: So when and then there was also the That's affair,
Speaker 4: and when Calvin denied it once there was there was
Speaker 4: evidence that that pointed to the fact that there was
Speaker 4: an a fair at least there was some sexual at
Speaker 4: least two witnesses had caught them in the act, So
Speaker 4: it's hard to deny that. But Calvin's statements that he
Speaker 4: wasn't he Joan had never said anything about a sexual
Speaker 4: assault or child abuse of the of the girls was
Speaker 4: it was very important to kids case in what turned
Speaker 4: out to be a court martial because Calvin could say that,
Speaker 4: you know, he can deny that Joan had ever said
Speaker 4: anything about abuse, even though they were so close together
Speaker 4: in a relationship. So that's how Calvin became a witness
Speaker 4: not only for the the jack prosecutors, but for its
Speaker 4: defense in the court martial. And then as things progressed,
Speaker 4: the JAG prosecutors had set a plan in motion. Because
Speaker 4: Joan was such an unreliable witness and her accusation, specially
Speaker 4: of sexual assault, would not hold up under questioning. They
Speaker 4: decided that they were going to keep Joan on the rope,
Speaker 4: on one.
Speaker 8: Hand, letting her think believe that she was going to
Speaker 8: succeed in her goal of boining Kit's life by putting
Speaker 8: him in prison for fifty plus years for sexual assault,
Speaker 8: while on the other hand telling Kit that they were
Speaker 8: going ahead with these sexual assault chargers when they had
Speaker 8: been found discussing this case in another proceeding where they
Speaker 8: had claimed that they weren't going to call Joan Is
Speaker 8: a witness because she was not a credible witness.
Speaker 4: Even though everything, all the accusations against Kit had originated
Speaker 4: with Joan. Right, child abuse originated with Joan, the sexual
Speaker 4: assault originated with Joan. The laptop was in Joan's care,
Speaker 4: the CDs were in Joan's care. But so even though
Speaker 4: she was the originator of all of these these evidence,
Speaker 4: and she had the images of the alleged abuse, they
Speaker 4: weren't going to use her as a witness. They were
Speaker 4: going to use Calvin as a witness. You had the
Speaker 4: Jack prosecutors wanting to use Calvin as a witness, and
Speaker 4: then you had Kit wanting to use Calvin as a
Speaker 4: witness because he can deny that Joan had ever said
Speaker 4: anything about abuse. So now we're getting into to November
Speaker 4: of twenty fifteen.
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Speaker 7: Now you're talking about November two thousand and fifteen, and
Speaker 7: the situation is that the court martial is at hand,
Speaker 7: and then we have November eighteenth. But before that, in
Speaker 7: the book, you talk about something that happens and we'll
Speaker 7: just mention it because it's very I think it's very important.
Speaker 7: But something happens previous in the summer June twenty eight,
Speaker 7: two thy and fifteen, and there is a connection to
Speaker 7: Joan and this home invasion. Tell us about that home
Speaker 7: invasion before we talk about what happens November eighteenth.
Speaker 4: Yeah, So the incident you're talking about is a John
Speaker 4: was running a house from this couple, this minnon night couple,
Speaker 4: and there was an home invasion early in the morning
Speaker 4: at three or four am, and there was a husband
Speaker 4: and a wife, an elderly man and woman, and they
Speaker 4: were both beaten. The husband died from his injuries, and
Speaker 4: then the woman was so severely beaten that she suffered
Speaker 4: brain damage. And now, like I said, Joan was running
Speaker 4: a house from that that couple, and within days of
Speaker 4: this incident, her co workers had noticed that she had
Speaker 4: been scourging on a new car, not an actual new car,
Speaker 4: but a new car for her and she had been
Speaker 4: boasting about buying new clothes and buying new furniture for
Speaker 4: her house. And it was her co workers who suspected
Speaker 4: that she had some involvement because she apparently was close
Speaker 4: to this couple and they knew her children. And so
Speaker 4: that's that story, that connection area, and that murder was
Speaker 4: still unsolved right. But now in November, early November of
Speaker 4: twenty fifteen, that the court marshall is scheduled for December first,
Speaker 4: twenty fifteen, and so it's getting close. Everybody is the
Speaker 4: Fort marshall has come and gone. The dates have been
Speaker 4: changed and postponed and put moved several times, but now
Speaker 4: it's scheduled for December first, and Kate receives a visit
Speaker 4: from an investigator that he's been working with on this
Speaker 4: for well over a couple of years and he was
Speaker 4: very familiar with the case, Michael Konzaki. So Michael ends
Speaker 4: up driving from California to deliver a car to his
Speaker 4: son who's returning from overseas deployment to Fort Campbell. I
Speaker 4: think he was returning his truck. So and at that
Speaker 4: time Michael Kanzaki decided well offered to let him stay
Speaker 4: at his house, so he did. He stayed at his
Speaker 4: house for like two weeks. But before he was getting
Speaker 4: ready to leave, they made a decision that they were
Speaker 4: going to go back and try to interview Calvin again
Speaker 4: to see if they can get because the statements about
Speaker 4: where they found, how they found the laptop and the
Speaker 4: discs and when they found it and who found it
Speaker 4: there were contradictory statements and they wanted to get it
Speaker 4: on tape about that particular issue. So Michael Konzaki and
Speaker 4: Mary Martin's, a private investigator who had been working on
Speaker 4: the case for kit also for well over a year
Speaker 4: and a half, they decided that they're going to do
Speaker 4: like an ambush type interview with Calvin at his home.
Speaker 4: So they go to Calvin and you know, they question
Speaker 4: about the laptop, and by now it's getting everybody's on edge.
Speaker 4: I mean Calvin is on edge because he's he realizes
Speaker 4: what kid is up against and his way and everything.
Speaker 4: So he's uptight about it and feeling pressure, and he
Speaker 4: makes statements to other people which are used later in
Speaker 4: a trial about being concerned about what Kit Martin might
Speaker 4: do as a result of this court martial and his testimony.
Speaker 4: But they also confronted him about the alleged affair between
Speaker 4: him and Joan. And when they confront him about it
Speaker 4: and they say that it's going to come out and
Speaker 4: trial at the court martial trial, Calvin doesn't deny that
Speaker 4: there was a relationship. His response was, so what, So
Speaker 4: they have that on tape. Let's go to the date
Speaker 4: that you had mentioned, which is November eighteenth, twenty fifteen.
Speaker 4: So they they do the recorded interview on November second,
Speaker 4: twenty fifteen. There's this comfort alleged confrontation between Calvin and Joan.
Speaker 4: A day or two after that, and then on November
Speaker 4: eighteenth November nineteenth, twenty fifteen. The first evidence that a
Speaker 4: crime had been committed was a neighbor had noticed smoke
Speaker 4: coming from a farm field from John Homick, John Homick's farm,
Speaker 4: and as he pulled closer to where he saw the smoke,
Speaker 4: he realized that it was a vehicle that was on fire.
Speaker 4: It had been on fire, I was still smoking. So
Speaker 4: they called the fire department. The fire department comes and
Speaker 4: then they discovered that their skeletal remains of two people
Speaker 4: inside that vehicle in this farm field, and the license
Speaker 4: plate to the vehicle identifies the owner of the choir's,
Speaker 4: Pam Phillips. So they immediately go to the Phillips residence,
Speaker 4: which is right across the street from from Kitts Home
Speaker 4: Patty Corner, and eventually, after they get a TANNA search warrant,
Speaker 4: they discovered that Calvin was murdered and his body was
Speaker 4: found in the basement of the house. So now there's
Speaker 4: there's three homicides, Calvin and Pam Phillips and neighbor at Dansroe.
Speaker 4: So that's that's the crime that takes place, and suspicion
Speaker 4: falls on Kit almost immediately because very conveniently, as investigators
Speaker 4: are going through the house, the the the Phillips's house.
Speaker 4: They get to the second floor and as they get
Speaker 4: to the landing right in front on a on a
Speaker 4: desk and the landing or to subpoenas for Calvin Phillips
Speaker 4: to testify in a court mark. So they called the
Speaker 4: Fort Campbell and they talked to the JAG prosecutors and
Speaker 4: then the CID agents, criminal Investigation Division agents, everybody who's
Speaker 4: been working on this case for the past two years
Speaker 4: trying to get this court martial of Kit Martin. They
Speaker 4: come to the crime scene when everybody is pointing the
Speaker 4: finger to Kit. He's military training, he had Army ranger training.
Speaker 4: He has multiple weapons in his house, including the two
Speaker 4: types of firearms that were used in the homicide. And
Speaker 4: then there's the fact that Calvin was going to testify
Speaker 4: in his court martial. While the initial investigation was the
Speaker 4: investigators were open minded about who may have committed this crime,
Speaker 4: it wasn't long before they formed a tunnel vision on
Speaker 4: Kit Martin and they focused all of their efforts and
Speaker 4: energy on trying to prove that Kit Martin had committed
Speaker 4: these three murders, and they did so by discarding a
Speaker 4: sculpatory evidence and trying to explain away evidence that didn't
Speaker 4: fit their theory, which is basically what tunnel vision is.
Speaker 7: You're right about how complicated it gets in terms of
Speaker 7: he has alibi witnesses, and it comes down to you explain,
Speaker 7: according to witnesses, when this crime was to occur around
Speaker 7: two am, and then would it would take for the
Speaker 7: officials to say that and conclude that his wife Laura
Speaker 7: was absolutely lying on her husband's behalf in this case.
Speaker 4: Okay, so they were there were few crimes, well, let's
Speaker 4: make it three crimes committed at different times of the day,
Speaker 4: all right, So they they're pretty confident that Calvin was
Speaker 4: was murdered sometime between seven am and say nine to
Speaker 4: thirty AM. And the reason that there they narrowed that
Speaker 4: window the seven I believe that's close to the time
Speaker 4: seven to nine thirty because that's when Kit was around
Speaker 4: at home. The Jones two kids had gone to school,
Speaker 4: and Laura had left for work very early that morning.
Speaker 4: So Kit was aroun at home right across the street
Speaker 4: from seven o'clock to like nine o'clock, nine fifteen whatever
Speaker 4: that he left to go to work before camp. The
Speaker 4: other part of this timeline is that that Fridays, So
Speaker 4: this was a Wednesday, and on Friday, Calvin and Pam
Speaker 4: were celebrating a wedding anniversary and their son Matt had
Speaker 4: bought them a washing machine for their wedding anniversary, and
Speaker 4: that washing machine was supposed to be delivered on November
Speaker 4: eighteenth between ten am and noo. Now, when the delivery
Speaker 4: truck drivers or the driver of the delivery truck arrived
Speaker 4: at the Phillips' house at around ten forty am, there
Speaker 4: was no They couldn't get any contact with Calvin. And
Speaker 4: they also called Pam and at the work and said
Speaker 4: that they were unable to get Calvin on the phone.
Speaker 4: So they were going to have to reach schedule this
Speaker 4: delivery of this Washington, Washington truck or washing machine. So
Speaker 4: that's the timeline when they believe that that Calvin was murdered,
Speaker 4: which it's in that level. It was definitely before it
Speaker 4: was after Pam left for work at six something, and
Speaker 4: it was before the delivery truck drivers left at or
Speaker 4: arrived at ten forty. Assuming that Calvin wasn't being held
Speaker 4: at gunpoint, let's say, all right, so we're assuming that
Speaker 4: he had been murdered. Now, Pam is at work at
Speaker 4: Dangroll's in Bowling Green and he's driving home to Pembroke.
Speaker 4: At this time at Danswell, the neighbor who lives right
Speaker 4: across the street, not across the street, but right across
Speaker 4: from the Phillips's house gets home on three something three
Speaker 4: forty three forty five Pam. She's trying to get about
Speaker 4: Calvin to find out why he wasn't there when the
Speaker 4: delivery truck driver showed up. So Pam was someone who
Speaker 4: was usually like the first to arrive at work in
Speaker 4: the last lead, but in this particular day, because she
Speaker 4: she was she wanted to find out what was going
Speaker 4: on with Calvin. She decided that she was going to
Speaker 4: leave early on work early, so she at five o'clock
Speaker 4: she decides she's going to leave work, and she's leaving
Speaker 4: for work. She gets in her car and there was
Speaker 4: a career arker was taking a picture of the sunset
Speaker 4: and Pam drove by and asked if she would take
Speaker 4: her picture. That's the last picture of Pam Furdles in
Speaker 4: the car that would be found the next day a
Speaker 4: set of blaze. So Pam leaves for work a little
Speaker 4: l after five, she gets home and she's she calls the
Speaker 4: neighbor at Dan's roll if you seen Calvin, and you
Speaker 4: know Ed's been a retted to the fact that you
Speaker 4: know Pam is looking for Calvin, so he's he's kind
Speaker 4: of looking out for her for him. And she plays
Speaker 4: back a message on her answering machine and it's from
Speaker 4: a friend that would called, who had also been to
Speaker 4: the house looking for cal with no success. And while
Speaker 4: she was on the phone with this this family friend,
Speaker 4: the family friend says that Pam said, hold on a second,
Speaker 4: I think I see something, And then after that she
Speaker 4: said she heard a scream, but she didn't. She said
Speaker 4: it wasn't really a scream. It was like she was
Speaker 4: started by something. And Pam never came back on the phone.
Speaker 4: She never said anything about hearing gunshots. But what we
Speaker 4: do know is that at around five thirty pm November eighteen,
Speaker 4: twenty fifteen, Pam was shot and with a twenty two
Speaker 4: caliber gun. What we also know is that at Dangero's,
Speaker 4: who was preparing dinner and whose kitchen window looked out
Speaker 4: right across to the back porch area in the back
Speaker 4: of the Phillips's house, saw or heard something that aligned
Speaker 4: him to the point where he grabbed his phone in
Speaker 4: a pistol and he ran out of his door, headed
Speaker 4: over to the Phillips house and as he rounded a
Speaker 4: wooden privacy fence that was between the two residences, he
Speaker 4: was shot. We know that because his phone in s
Speaker 4: a blood was found in that area, and then he
Speaker 4: works his way along this privacy fence to the backyard
Speaker 4: of the Phillips' house where he was shot again in
Speaker 4: the head. And we know that because there was blood
Speaker 4: and his pistols found sixty yards from where the phone
Speaker 4: was charge it was found. So we know that this
Speaker 4: crime took place at around five point thirty pm. Now
Speaker 4: here's the interesting thing about this whole trying to fit
Speaker 4: the evidence to your theory. Right. So, Kit Martin, for
Speaker 4: reasons for his own security, had installed security cameras around
Speaker 4: his house, so his movements in and out of the
Speaker 4: house we recorded that entire day and the entire next day.
Speaker 4: The only thing was that he didn't have a camera
Speaker 4: in the front of the house, which would have caught
Speaker 4: the front door, because they never used the front door.
Speaker 4: The door had been warped because the house had gone
Speaker 4: unsold for two years without heat, and the front door
Speaker 4: that was not functioning properly, a doorstop that they used
Speaker 4: to put pressure on the door, that they added some
Speaker 4: extra bolt locks to keep the door in the frame,
Speaker 4: and he actually nail the top of the door into
Speaker 4: the frame, all in an effort to straighten this door
Speaker 4: out right, because the prosecution would turn this, all of
Speaker 4: this evidence around because they didn't fit their theory. Right.
Speaker 4: But here's the thing. So the security footage shows that
Speaker 4: at five twenty three pm that day, November eighteen, twenty fifteen,
Speaker 4: More's two kids, Austin and Emma. They're going to a
Speaker 4: group dinner with some other kids at school. Right, they
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Speaker 7: Let's get to the trial of Kit Martin.
Speaker 4: Okay, So what's important to know about the trial is
Speaker 4: before the trial, and even well before there was a trial,
Speaker 4: there was a grand jury hearing, all right, And that
Speaker 4: grand jury hearing was on May tenth, twenty nineteen. And
Speaker 4: at that hearing, the lead investigator testified that Pam Phillips's
Speaker 4: phone and kitchphone we're traveling well. First of all, he
Speaker 4: testified that the two phone that kitschphone was at the
Speaker 4: scene of We're on Rosetown Road where the car was burnt.
Speaker 4: That was one thing he said. The next thing he
Speaker 4: said was that pans bone and the kitchbone were traveling
Speaker 4: together south to Fort Camp. All right, if you're in
Speaker 4: a grand jury and and you're you're hearing testimony from
Speaker 4: the lead detective who says that the victim's phone was
Speaker 4: traveling with the defendant, I mean, that's pretty much a
Speaker 4: slam dunk. But it turns out that all of that
Speaker 4: testimony was false. It wasn't true, and so they had
Speaker 4: asked for a dismissal just based on that, because you know,
Speaker 4: they they basically got a murder indictment based on false testimony.
Speaker 4: Now there was another piece of evidence, and that was
Speaker 4: a shellcasing, which plays a point and ball in this whole,
Speaker 4: in this whole story, in this in this trial. So
Speaker 4: the green jury testimony was false. That led to the murder,
Speaker 4: the the indictment, and then it kids a rest at
Speaker 4: the Rue Roy airport the next day, on May eleventh.
Speaker 4: This happened right just before you know, it's twenty nineteen,
Speaker 4: it's just before COVID hits. So now there's delaying the
Speaker 4: murder trial. He waits two years in jail, he can't
Speaker 4: get bond. He waited two years in jail for the
Speaker 4: murder trial. But so before, as we're getting closer to
Speaker 4: the trial, it's becoming evidence evident to the prosecution that
Speaker 4: they don't really have a case. All they have is
Speaker 4: it is this shellcasing that was covered on the back
Speaker 4: porch that two ballistic experts had testified did come from
Speaker 4: Kits Block forty five. So that was the other piece
Speaker 4: of evidence that the grand jury had, other than the
Speaker 4: false testimony about the cell phones. But it even not
Speaker 4: evidence wasn't a slam dunk because while the shellcasing matched
Speaker 4: the forty five caliber gun, the bullets that were recovered
Speaker 4: from the body of Calvin Phillips couldn't be positively matched
Speaker 4: to his Block forty five. In fact, it was leaning
Speaker 4: towards the fact. In fact, the defense ballistics expert his
Speaker 4: testimony was that it was unlikely that Kit's Block forty
Speaker 4: five fired the bullets that killed Galvin Phillips. So it
Speaker 4: certainly wasn't a slam dunk. But before the trial even began,
Speaker 4: the prosecution offered Kit a plea deal all he had
Speaker 4: to do was plead complicity to murder and they would
Speaker 4: give him between I think it was five to fifteen
Speaker 4: years if he did that, right, Okay, so you're talking
Speaker 4: about killing three people and you're going to give the
Speaker 4: guy five to fifteen years for that crime, and of
Speaker 4: course Kit declined because he didn't have anything to do
Speaker 4: with it. So now they go to the trial and
Speaker 4: the evidence that they have is contradicted by the alibi witnesses,
Speaker 4: which you'd already mentioned. Right, So remember we'd said that
Speaker 4: the murders of Pam Phillips and ed Dansrou had occurred
Speaker 4: at five point thirty pm. Well at five twenty three pm,
Speaker 4: like I said, Boston and Emma, Laura's children had left
Speaker 4: to go to this group dinner. Okay, it's five twenty
Speaker 4: three pm. Kit and Laura are home alone. They have
Speaker 4: the house to themselves, and they happen to be celebrating
Speaker 4: an anniversary. And we know that because of testimony, but
Speaker 4: we also know that kid had brought roses home for Laura. Right,
Speaker 4: So it's five twenty three pm. Now, if you believe
Speaker 4: the prosecutors theory, the kids are out of the house.
Speaker 4: They're getting ready they have the home to themselves. They're
Speaker 4: going to celebrate the anniversary. But Kit disappears and goes
Speaker 4: across the street and kills two people. Then he comes
Speaker 4: back to the house and Laura doesn't notice that anything
Speaker 4: is amiss. And then the third part of the crime
Speaker 4: occurs at two am when the car was set on fire.
Speaker 4: And we know that because there are two witnesses that
Speaker 4: heard two explosions and one witness who saw the flames
Speaker 4: at two am. Well, we have three people now at
Speaker 4: the house in Pembroke that are home. We have Laura,
Speaker 4: Emma and Austin. So to believe the prosecution theory, you
Speaker 4: have to believe that Kit got up at ten am
Speaker 4: because he had his alarm set for that, then went
Speaker 4: out through the front door, which they never proved functioned properly,
Speaker 4: and roaded two bodies by himself into a car and
Speaker 4: drove it to a farm fill, set it on fire,
Speaker 4: walked four miles back to the crime scene, got into
Speaker 4: ed dangerous car, drove it to Elkton, Kentucky, where Joan lived,
Speaker 4: and threw Pam Phillips's phone into her front yard, drove
Speaker 4: back barked Edge's car four blocks away, walked home, got
Speaker 4: into bed, and nobody in the house noticed anything amiss.
Speaker 4: And the very next day spent most of the day
Speaker 4: with Laura's daughter Emma, driving to her horse driving horse lessons,
Speaker 4: horse riding lessons. So yeah, and the whole story as
Speaker 4: far as how this that's the theory that the prosecution
Speaker 4: laid out.
Speaker 9: But without giving stuff away, the whole theory of the crime,
Speaker 9: they didn't actually present it to the jury until closing arguments.
Speaker 4: And you would say, well, how can you do a
Speaker 4: two week murder trial and not present a theory of
Speaker 4: the crime until the closing arguments on the last day
Speaker 4: of the trial. And the reason is is because everything
Speaker 4: points to multiple individuals involved in this crime. Right, There
Speaker 4: were two different weapons that were used, there were bodies
Speaker 4: that were loaded into a car, there were two cars
Speaker 4: that were moved from the crime scene. Even the prosecution
Speaker 4: admitted that there were circumstantial evidence that there were more
Speaker 4: than one person was involved, but at no time they
Speaker 4: identify a second person. So on the day before the
Speaker 4: evening before the closing arguments, the defense had argued because
Speaker 4: the original charges were that he was charged with complicity
Speaker 4: to commit murder either by himself or with the aid
Speaker 4: of others. That was the original charges, and the defense
Speaker 4: argued successfully that at no point during the trial had
Speaker 4: they brought forth evidence of another individual. So the prosecution's
Speaker 4: plan all along, for all these holes in their case
Speaker 4: was to say, well, he had help, and that's why
Speaker 4: we're charging him with complicity. We haven't identified this who
Speaker 4: helped him, but that's why we're charging him with complicity
Speaker 4: because we all know that more than one person was involved.
Speaker 4: But the judge agreed with the defense and said, you
Speaker 4: know what, you can no longer argue complicity. So now
Speaker 4: they had to come up. They had to make up
Speaker 4: this this whole stupid theory of the crime or how
Speaker 4: this how this thing took place on the spur of
Speaker 4: the moment on the last day of the trial, and
Speaker 4: it doesn't hold up. I mean, it's it's completely disproven
Speaker 4: simply just by the phone evidence of Pam Phillips's phone.
Speaker 4: Because Pam Phillips's phone pinged off a tower that indicated
Speaker 4: that that phone was in the Pembroke area the day
Speaker 4: after the murders, they could not have been laying in
Speaker 4: the front yard of Joan Martin as she claimed. And
Speaker 4: not only that, later in the day in the evening,
Speaker 4: the phone pinged off another cell tower even further east
Speaker 4: of Elton, Kentucky, where Joan lived, indicating that the phone
Speaker 4: was moving in movement somehow and not laying in the
Speaker 4: front yard as was claimed by the prosecution and by
Speaker 4: Joan Martin, who pled the fifth the trial and never testify.
Speaker 7: How important was it that the judge allowed witnesses to
Speaker 7: say what they had Kit had said or what they
Speaker 7: had heard Kit had said.
Speaker 4: So I mentioned earlier that as the build up to
Speaker 4: the court martial, everybody was on edge. Kit was on edge,
Speaker 4: law was on edge. They weren't sleeping. Well, Calvin expressed
Speaker 4: his concern you know what ramification might be if Kit
Speaker 4: was court martial and this evidence of this alleged affair.
Speaker 4: You know, he rightfully was concerned, and he expressed that
Speaker 4: concern to a number of individuals, and Pam Phillips also
Speaker 4: expressed her concern to another person individual coworker at the bank. Well,
Speaker 4: typically that's hearsay evidence. It's not allowed in a trial,
Speaker 4: but in this case, the judge made the decision and
Speaker 4: it's it's explained in the book how this came about.
Speaker 4: But he used to a person of the law called
Speaker 4: forfeiture by wrongdoing, being if you kill somebody so they
Speaker 4: don't testify, you can no longer claim that it's hearsay
Speaker 4: evidence because you forfeited that right because you kill them.
Speaker 4: And all it's needed for this while to be applied
Speaker 4: is what's called ponderance of evidence. So the judge, even
Speaker 4: though the trial had not begun and the evidence had
Speaker 4: not been challenged in front of a jury, it had
Speaker 4: been discussed in pre trial hearings. I will say that
Speaker 4: him made He made the ruling that this hearsay evidence
Speaker 4: was going to be allowed because of forfeiture by wrongdoing,
Speaker 4: and the preponderance of the evidence was that kid had
Speaker 4: killed these three people, at least Calvin Fils, to prevent
Speaker 4: him from testifying in the court martial. So it's a
Speaker 4: very complicated issue, this whole hearsay thing, but it certainly
Speaker 4: was detrimental to his case, and he was convicted in
Speaker 4: this trial, and the hearsay evidence played an important role
Speaker 4: in it. But what really played an important role is
Speaker 4: that there was so much deception that the prosecution used
Speaker 4: throughout the trial that by the time I actually interviewed
Speaker 4: one of the drawers, he had no clue about the
Speaker 4: prosecution's theory because like when I told him what the
Speaker 4: prosecution theory was, he said, well, that sounds implausible, and
Speaker 4: then he tried to make excuses about the phone movement,
Speaker 4: and then he had he had basic details about the
Speaker 4: case wrong, important details about the case. For example, the
Speaker 4: bullets that were used to kill Calvin Fields, who were
Speaker 4: a very specially designed bullet called a RIPG two research
Speaker 4: around right. It was designed so that when it entered
Speaker 4: the body, it would break into eight different parts, So
Speaker 4: you had eight different pedals what's called Troy cars, separating
Speaker 4: from the bullet traveling through the body trust the bullet
Speaker 4: base right, And Calvin received five shots with this ammunition,
Speaker 4: this rip ammunition, But they never found of all the
Speaker 4: ammunition that it had at his residence, in his truck.
Speaker 4: They never found any evidence that he had this type
Speaker 4: of ammunition, this very specialized ammunition. When I testified, when
Speaker 4: I interviewed one of the jurors, I told him that
Speaker 4: he said, no, I think I remember seeing a picture
Speaker 4: of that ammunition in the back of his truck. All right, Well,
Speaker 4: that was part of the deception that was the prosecution
Speaker 4: had done early on in this trial where they served
Speaker 4: a bunch of pictures that were seemingly incriminating, it actually
Speaker 4: had no connection to the case. And one of those
Speaker 4: pictures was a box of ammunition in the back of
Speaker 4: his truck. It was forty five caliber ammunition and there
Speaker 4: was also a twenty two caliber magazine. All right, well
Speaker 4: before it got to the picture that had already stated
Speaker 4: that Pimela and at Damswel were killed by twenty two
Speaker 4: rounds and Callen Phillis was killed by a forty five
Speaker 4: round And here we are was showing a picture of
Speaker 4: both types of ammunition in the back of his truck,
Speaker 4: and the ammunition box on the back of the truck
Speaker 4: said something like prim or something. What it wasn't was
Speaker 4: the gig two research rounds. But in this drawer's mind,
Speaker 4: and I don't know if he expressed the same miss
Speaker 4: identification of this important evidence, but he in his mind,
Speaker 4: he thought that he had that ammunition in the back
Speaker 4: of his truck and he did not, And that was
Speaker 4: that's a crucial piece of evidence because it's such a
Speaker 4: unique piece of ammunition that if he did have that ammunition,
Speaker 4: it will mean further towards the points that maybe he
Speaker 4: did this because the shell facing match is glock forty
Speaker 4: five and now here is that rare ammunition in the
Speaker 4: back of his truck. So it just goes to show
Speaker 4: you that, you know, even though these people sat, these drawers,
Speaker 4: sat in this week and this trial for two plus weeks,
Speaker 4: the whole prosecution theory of what happened wasn't thrown on
Speaker 4: them until the very last day closing arguments, and none
Speaker 4: of them put on connected the dots.
Speaker 7: Yes, absolutely, I want to thank you so much for
Speaker 7: coming on and talking about I Will Ruin You The
Speaker 7: Twisted Truth behind the Kit Martin murder Trial. For those
Speaker 7: that might want to check out more about the story,
Speaker 7: can you tell us about a website or any social
Speaker 7: media you do?
Speaker 4: Yes, if you go to Emeliocorsetti dot com E M I,
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Speaker 4: dot com, you'll find all the information about this this story,
Speaker 4: all of the posts I made during the two years
Speaker 4: two and a half years of research that I did. Letus,
Speaker 4: you'll find all the social media links on that website.
Speaker 7: Thank you so much. I Will ruin You, Amelia Corsetti.
Speaker 7: The third The Twisted Truth behind the Kit Martin murder trial.
Speaker 7: Thank you very much for this interview, and good night.