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your support. And we usually talk to Andrew Dunn. He

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is a publisher of long Leave Politics and a contributing

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columnist to The Charlotte Observer, and we usually talked to

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him in the first hour, but we had to shuffle

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it around a little bit because he had to attend

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to graduation ceremony for his for his child. Was there

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any free Palestine speeches by the valedictorian today during the

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during the ceremony there, Andrew.

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Speaker 2: No, Thank goodness, Cli it is a kindergarten graduate, which

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I didn't realize was a thing. But you know, the

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kids all walked in the pomp and circumstance, and so

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they had a good time.

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Speaker 1: Nobody flashing kafias or anything. No Palestinian flags or I

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guess actually now it would be the Mexican flag. That's

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the that's the flag of the of choice now, so

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none of.

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Speaker 2: That, Oh boy, yeah, no, no, none of that.

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Speaker 1: Okay, all right, So you had several yeah, actually I

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guess four different pieces you wrote for both your website

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long leaf pol dot com long Leaf Politics, but also

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at the Charlotte Observer a lot to focus on Josh Stein,

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the governor, but also former Governor Pat McCrory. So let's

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start with Josh Stein, because he got three different write

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ups by you. The first one you don't have to

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like Josh Stein to appreciate this. And what is this?

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It is his appearance on the Late Show with Stephen Colbert,

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and kudos to you for watching it. I only watched

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it when I saw your post. That's the only time

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I watched.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, Stephen Colbert is pretty much unwatchable, so you won't

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find me tuning into the Late Show. But you know,

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if the Governor of North Carolina is on there, I feel,

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in terms of my role that I have to watch.

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And you know, it was honestly a little refreshing, you know,

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I in the previous administration, I spent plenty of time

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watching TV hits that Governor Roy Cooper would do, and

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they were invariably combative. You know, very much anti Republican.

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Republicans are ruining everything. And Josh Stein, governor stein On here,

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he was actually talking up western North Carolina. He was

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making a sales pitch to come to the mountain, come

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spend your money. And you know, honestly, that's exactly the

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kind of thing that a governor should be doing. So,

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you know, I tried to be even handed when I

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can and give kudos.

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Speaker 1: Where they're due well, and also it helps that credit

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and give credit to Stephen Colbert. He's from South Carolina,

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he knows western North Carolina as well, so I think

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he had a a personal connection and an interest in

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helping to promote it. And so that's obviously I think

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why he brought Stein on to do that very as

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you called it, the softest of softball interviews. Yeah, but

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it also you said, you say that to succeed as governor,

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you have to understand and be okay with the fact

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that the governor is a constitutionally weak position, and having

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all out wars with the General Assembly doesn't work out

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very well because the legislature will always have the upper hand.

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And when I read what you wrote there, I thought,

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isn't it odd that Cooper coming out of the legislature

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for as long as he was there in his tenure,

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that he didn't seem to understand that. Or maybe he

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did and he just rejected the approach that Stein seems

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to be taking.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm not sure what exactly was going on there.

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You would think that he'd have more of an understanding

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of how to work the system, but you know, he

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did spend twenty years as an attorney general before that.

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Maybe he just got used to unquestioned loyalty and then

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people doing what he said what he told for them

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to do. But you know, it's really been something I've

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been watching a lot since Governor Stein got sworn in

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in January. It's impossible to ignore how he's approached the

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governorship and you know, complete one eighty from how Governor

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Cooper did. You know, it seems that Governor Stein is

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trying really hard to look centrist, to look moderate, to

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find common grounds, which obviously raises the question, you know,

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is this for show his moderation or is it real?

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And then, you know, to be honest, does it even

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matter whether it is real or for show?

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Speaker 1: Right, You're right about this in another post at long

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Leaved Politics called the Paradox of Josh Stein, And you say,

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we all feel in our gut that Stein is the

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most liberal governor North Carolina has ever elected. But that

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is decidedly not how he has governed so far. And

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then you give the example of the medical marijuana that

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he is or recreational marijuana legalization rather while on the

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other hand he's like, no, we can't have unregulated THHC

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products flooding convenience stores. It's like, that's essentially the example

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of the paradox of Josh Stein. So do you think

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though that that well, do you think it's all for show?

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And do you think that he is actually as liberal

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as people think he is.

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Speaker 2: I think he probably is. You know, he's a chap

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he was raised in Chapel Hill, educated at Ivy League institutions,

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does not have the roots in rural North Carolina like

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virtually every other Democratic governor that North Carolina had, and

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I think he does. He is a lot more liberal

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than any other governor that we've had, but he has

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made the conscious choice to either tone that down at

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least so far. And I think it's a reflection that

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he understands what the role of a governor is more

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so than many other people who have held that position.

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And I think, you know, if he can keep it up,

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it's a very good thing for his legacy and for

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the state. But I have a feeling that, you know,

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especially as it gets later in the term, he's going

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to feel a lot more pressure from his base to

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actually advocate for some of the more liberal positions that

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he's already amenable to.

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Speaker 3: Now.

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Speaker 1: One of the things that came up in the Colbert interview,

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but also you write about it the Charlotte Observer is

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FEMA scrapping FEMA, and he is. Now you say, he's

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become sort of the cheerleader for FEMA, not to detect

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it as it currently is, but to reform it. You say,

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the most liberal governor North Carolina has ever elected is

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sounding conservative. What did you mean by that?

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Speaker 2: Right, So, when Josh Stein goes out in public defending FEMA,

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he does not talk publicly, you know, about loving big

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government or anything like that. The argument that he's making

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is fundamentally a conservative one. It's that, you know, responding

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to interstate disasters is a core function of federal government,

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and he says that state governments should do more. However,

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you know, it doesn't make fiscal sense to have every

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fate set up their own disaster recovery bureaucracy, and that

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it saves money and makes things more efficient to have

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that done at the federal level, and that they can

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parachute in wherever the disaster happens to strike, and that,

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I mean, honestly, it's a fairly compelling argument, and I

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think that that's one of the reasons why we've seen

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you know, both Republican federal legislators and Democrats kind of

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coalescing around that view. However, I found it fascinating that,

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you know, while Governor Stein is saying that publicly, if

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you look at his ex account, formerly Twitter account, he

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has a post on about FEMA saying, well, storms are

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worse than a due to climate change, and that's why

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we need FEMA. And I have to think that was

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a mistake or maybe not, you know, maybe it's the

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mass flipping. I don't know exactly what's going on there.

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Speaker 1: Well, he's got to throw some red meat, you know,

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he's got to throw some of that to the base.

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I suspect, and if he pays that sort of lip service,

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then you know he stays in the more lefty kind

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of part of the Democrat coalition. I suspect. And he's

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not you know, he's not running around talking about climate

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change like you said, he's posting it on Twitter, just

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like he signed this letter along with the other Democrat

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governors against the National Guard being deployed into California. He

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has not promoted that. He's not sent out press releases

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about that, he's not doing interviews about that. So it's like,

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if you are on the left or you're a Democrat,

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you you know, you see these things and you know, okay,

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he's one of us, even though he's not publicly walking

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around saying this stuff. Again, I guess it gets to

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the paradox of Josh Stein. Who's the real Josh Stein.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I think you're exactly right, And I think a

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lot of that has to do with political reality. You know,

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Governor Cooper really paved the way for national donors and

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national interest groups to plow a whole bunch of money

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into North Carolina, and you know, Governor Stein has to

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do enough to keep that money flowing you know, especially

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looking at the twenty twenty six judicial race for Supreme Court,

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you know, Stein really wants to keep that seat, I

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would imagine, so he's got to throw an up red

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meat out, as you say, to keep the national Democrats interested.

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Speaker 1: So do you think that at the rumor in the

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scuttle Bud is that Josh Stein might be eyeing a

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run for president in twenty six? Do you think there's

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any merit to that? Have you heard that?

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Speaker 3: No?

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Speaker 2: And honestly, you know, I would imagine that he will

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be put on some shortlists as people who could be considered,

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but I don't see it as realistic. Honestly, I don't

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think he's ready for prime time. I think it would

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be a very painful process for him to be thrown

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in there. I mean, could he be considered as a

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VP pick. Possibly? I mean, there's just enough other Democratic

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governors with more political skill that I don't think Stein

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will be tempted to throw his hat in the ring.

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Speaker 1: Well, and also you got Roy Cooper, who's you know,

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hanging out at Harvard when he's not you know, dodging

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you know, citizen journalists with a webcam. You know, he's

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teaching some class up there, and so if you want

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a North Carolina governor who is free to run, it

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seems like Roy Cooper would be sort of that would

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be the better pick and leave Stein in the governor's

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mansion for another four years and then you know, let

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him build up his skill set and his resume a

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little bit more. But like you said, there are other

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governors that are out there that are better than Cooper,

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and so I don't know if I don't know if

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the time's ever going to be right for him either

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in the short term. But we'll say, I guess.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I think you're exactly right. And I think the

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longer that this draws out, I feel like the less

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likely it will be for Cooper to jump in the

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Senate race in twenty six. I mean, obviously, whenever he announces,

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he would more or less clear the field on the

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Democratic side. But you know, the longer it goes on,

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the more I think, well, maybe he doesn't have the

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stomach for another you know, bruising. We're all really his

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first bruising race, you know, I guess you could canider

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his two thousand run for Attorney General is a tough race,

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But since then, he really hasn't faced much scrutiny at all.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, and the outside focus on him if he were

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to run, even for US Senate, would be a lot

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more than he's ever encountered before. I suspect so, Andrew Dunn. Yeah, yeah,

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I appreciate it. As always. Congratulations to your kid and

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to you guys for the graduation ceremony. Kind Of disappointed

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there wasn't Deny Freegaza stuff, but okay. You can read

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his work at long Leaf Politics longleafpol dot com. He's

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also a contributing columnist to The Charlotte Observer. Thanks, Andrew,

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appreciate it, Thank you, all right, take care. All right,

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be circling back like Jen Psaki would, to the LA

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riots and the National Guard stuff. We kind of got

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sidetracked in the last hour because President Trump had to

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go and take questions in the Oval office. So I

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will circle back to that, but I want to get

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to this first. There's a blog, Ace of Spades HQ.

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I've read this blog for years and the guy who

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runs it goes by the name Ace of Spades. Coincidentally enough,

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and the other day Nate Silver. Do you know who

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Nate Silver is? Remember this guy, Nate Silver five thirty

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eight dot com right it was a political data analysis blog.

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I want to say that was part of the New

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York Times operation, and then I think it split out

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from that or something. And Nate Silver, and I want

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to say he started as a I think he was

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like a stats guy for baseball, I want to say,

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or sports in general maybe, and then he started doing analysis,

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you know, on polling, predominantly on elections, and that's when

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he started five thirty eight. And I think I think

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the five thirty eight is the number of districts in

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America or no states, no, not states states plus it's

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senators plus representatives, five thirty. I forget what the number means.

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It means something like that because you've got four hundred

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and thirty five representatives, one hundred senators, so that gets

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you to five thirty five. Then get the president, the

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vice president and uh, I don't remember who the other

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one was, but yeah, so the number means something and

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I forget what it is anyway. Nate Silver, he is

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not a conservative, okay, but he posted up a blog

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that shows conservatives are up thirty one points among those

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with self described excellent mental health. Okay, people who self

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dine describe themselves as having excellent mental health are up

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or Conservatives are up thirty one points over liberals, and

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they are below liberals by twenty six points when describing

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themselves as having poor mental health. So you understand what

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this poll or what this analysis is that liberals have

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way worse mental health than conservatives self reported. Democrats have

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turned themselves into the party of as Charlie Kirk from

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Turning Point USA, they have turned themselves into the party

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of the neurotic, the unstable, and the miserable. Now, if

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you've listened to my show for an extended period of

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I've mentioned it since I've returned to as well, the

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tendency for interpersonal victim TIV. This is a psychological profile,

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if you will, of people that get trapped in this

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victim mindset, and there are all sorts of negative things

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that occur, including degraded mental health. They don't feel happy,

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they can't sympathize with people, they treat other people poorly.

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They start seeing themselves as victims in everything, everywhere, all

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the time, and it stunts them. And I feel like

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So the five point thirty eight is the number of electors,

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Thank you everybody. Five thirty eight is the number of electors.

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And that includes so the four hundred and thirty five

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you know, House of Representative districts. You get two senators

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per state, so that that gets you to five thirty five.

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And then the three is for District of Columbia, right,

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So they got all three?

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Speaker 2: Right?

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Speaker 1: DC got all three? Is that right? So we still

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aren't given guam one. I mean, has that capsized yet?

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Has that tipped over? I mean it's been it's been

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probably fifteen years since Sank Johnson first alerted us all

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to that threat. But Puerto Rico did they get any No? Okay,

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so it's just DC. So five thirty eight dot com

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this was the website blog Nate Silver ran. It eventually

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got bought. He left. He was replaced by a guy

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named Nate Cohen, I think anyway. Nate Silver posted some

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stats about the self report self reported mental health among

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various you know, the Americans, broken down by their political affiliations,

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and what he found was that conservatives report far more.

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Conservatives report excellent mental health than progressives by thirty one points.

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That's a huge gap. And then on the other side

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of the scale self reported poor mental health, Progressives are

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way ahead of conservatives by twenty six points. They twenty

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six point majority report poor mental health. That is a

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huge gap. That's like sixty point difference. Right when you

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add you're putting them all on a line together, and

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so ace of spades at ace of spades, HQ. He

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writes it up thusly. Democrat poll analyst Nate Silver notices

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that Democrats are winning with those diagnosed with mental illness,

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and on the other hand, they're being trounced among the

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much larger group of people in good mental health. And

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then he uses these terms called Nate Silver does calls

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one it's a metaphor, one group the village, and another

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group the river. And so the village is used to

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describe people who are risk adverse, they don't like risks

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controlling that's the village, and the river describes risk takers

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and entrepreneurial explorer types. And so he uses the term

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village democrats, and that means basically democrat establishment and regime people.

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Turns out that young men are turned off by neuroticism, hysteria, weakling, grievance, mumbling,

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and efforts to control them. Right, this is part of

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the Democrats' big naval gazing operations where they're trying to

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figure out how they need to talk to the dudes

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in order to get the dudes to vote for them,

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and apparently tim Walls was not the solution. Meanwhile, unlike

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during the Bush era, moderate men might think it's those

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villagey Democrats who want to police their speech and their

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behavior and that they're just generally unchill, turning everything into

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a political conversation. We've seen this at every holiday. How

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do you talk to your mega uncle about stuff at

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the Thanksgiving table? Turn everything into politics? Last year, Trump

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fared better among voters who don't consume a lot of

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political news, which liberals like to read as a sign

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that these voters are poorly informed, but that could also

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indicate that Trump was winning the more apolitical normy vote.

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Normy is the normals, and obviously the mapping on this

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is far from perfect. But Ace Bads goes on to say,

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some of the problem that the Democrats have with young

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men is that they are seen as what in the

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poker world we would call nets neurotic, risk averse, sticklers

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for the rules, and always up in everybody's business. Here's

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what Nate Silver wrote. Although I've seen it written about elsewhere,

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I was honestly surprised by how strong the relationship is.

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Among voters who report poor mental health, liberals outnumber conservatives

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forty five percent to nineteen percent. Among those who report

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excellent mental health, conservatives outnumber liberals fifty one to twenty.

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So the young men that Democrats have trouble with aren't

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necessarily the ones who have been captured by the conservative

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manisphere or who are looking for a helping hand. Rather,

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it's those who report relatively high mental health and see

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Democrats as being too neurotic and perhaps constraining their opportunity

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to compete and reap the rewards of their work. Ace

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of Spades concludes, it's almost as if people who are

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mentally healthy do not want mentally ill people making decisions

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on their behalf. Yes, when you act crazy, people don't

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want to be led by you. You would think this

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would be obvious. Now get this. Harry Enton over at CNN,

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he does their polling and data breakdowns and stuff. He's

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got some numbers today on immigrants views on Donald Trump.

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These are I assume legal because they are immigrant voters. Okay,

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So I am assuming that this data set is legal immigrants.

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Harry Enton he is let me see here, is the

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host of CNN's Margins of Error, a podcast about statistical

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stories compelling and rich. He also he does the data

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analysis and such for CNN and so he's usually standing

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in front of the big, you know TV screen. He's

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like circling numbers and showing graphs and all of that stuff,

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and he's very exuberant. Anyway, he looks at the data

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on immigrants, lawful foreign born, you know, citizens who are

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voting but are from other countries, and he looks at

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how they have shifted on not just the immigration issue

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but also Donald Trump. Here's the clip.

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Speaker 3: Start off on the fact that immigrant citizens, immigrant voters,

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foreign born voters have gone tremendously to the right on

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this issue in twenty twenty four and twenty twenty five

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versus where they were on twenty twenty. Closest to or

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trust more in immigration. You go back to twenty twenty, Democrats,

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get this, held a thirty two point lead on this issue.

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Immigrant voters were in the Democratic camp.

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Speaker 2: Jump.

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Speaker 1: So that's in twenty twenty, Democrats had a thirty two

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point advantage over Republicans among immigrant legal immigrant voters in

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twenty twenty four.

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Speaker 3: Foward to twenty twenty four to twenty twenty five.

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Speaker 1: Look at that.

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Speaker 3: Shift, a forty point shift to the right among immigrant voters.

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Republicans now lead on this issue by eight points over

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Democrats more so than any other group that I could find.

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The group of voters who became more hawkish on immigration

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were in fact immigrants themselves, immigrants who were registered to

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vote in this country.

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Speaker 1: The question was who are you closer to?

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Speaker 3: Like?

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Speaker 1: Which party are you closer to? And trust more? On immigration?

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A forty point swing among immigrants to the Republicans.

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Speaker 3: So that's on that issue.

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Speaker 1: How about how they feel about kind of traditionally historically

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about Donald Trump.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, so you know, you see this shift, and you go,

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what is going on underneath the hood? Well, take a

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look donald Trump. You remember when he first ran back

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in twenty sixteen. Immigrant voters are one of his weakest bots.

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But look at this. Trump's vote share in presidential elections

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among again immigrant citizens, those who registered to vote. Look

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at this. Twenty sixteen, you got thirty six percent of

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the vote. You go to twenty twenty thirty nine percent

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of the vote. Look at this in twenty twenty four,

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all the way up to forty seven percent of the vote.

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Some polls I looked at had him barely losing that vote.

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Some polls I looked at had him barely winning that vote. Again,

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there is no block of voters that shifted more to

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the right from twenty twenty to twenty twenty four. Then

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immigrant voters and Donald Trump, at least in some surveys,

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actually won that vote. On average, it's about equal.

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Speaker 2: So there may be all this.

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Speaker 3: Stuff right about undocumented immigrants and Truff being harsh on them,

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but immigrant voters themselves have increasingly liked Donald Trump and

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have increasingly moved to the right on immigration into the

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Republican camp.

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Speaker 1: Well, then on that what you're getting at how immigrant

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citizens voters feel about people in the country illegally.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, and this is where it all kind of comes together,

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Cape Paul. When look at this the net favorable rating

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immigrants who are here illegally among immigrant citizens again, those

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registered to vote in twenty twenty, look at this plus

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twenty three points on the net favorable rating. But look

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at where we were in twenty twenty four minus six

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points underwater. So immigrant citizens have become increasingly unfavorable in

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their views of those immigrants who are here illegally. So

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I think it's so important when we're talking about this

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debate from a political angle, to separate those out who

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are undocumented immigrants versus those who are here legally, and

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those who are citizens, and those who are voters, because

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that group of voters has felt increasingly distant from those

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immigrants who are here legally. And so again, when we're

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talking about this, at least from a political angle, this

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is why Donald Trump feels so comfortable because in fact,

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amongst the group that you would think that would be

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most opposed to this, in fact they become increasingly favorable,

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not just towards Donald Trump, but towards a Republican point

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of view on immigration and becoming distant from those immigrants

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who are here illegally.

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Speaker 1: Wow, who could have ever guessed? All right, that'll do

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