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six twenty six a couple of days ago, you heard
tonight's guest come on and talk about a research area
that he's been researching for thirty years.
Speaker 2: Now.
Speaker 1: Actually, well, if you listen to episode four forty five,
that's when he initially came on. He talked about how
the dogmen in that research Cherry, we're almost docile, but
unfortunately recently something has changed and he describes him as
being dangerous. Now, well, if you listen to episode six
twenty six, like I said, you understand why he feels
that way. But before we get to that point, I
just want to welcome our guests back on. Thanks again
so much for coming back on, Marshall. I really appreciate it.
Speaker 2: Thank you Zan for having me.
Speaker 1: Oh no, you know you're welcome, Marshall. Like I said,
for anyone who missed episode six twenty six a couple
of days ago, can you tell us about yourself first?
And then after you do that if you can breeze
over those recent experiences that had you arriving to the
conclusion that that area is filled with dangerous dogmen now
when they used to be, as you put it back
in the day, almost docile.
Speaker 2: Kim. I'm sixty four years old, retired body man and painter.
Been a bigfoot and dog man researcher for around thirty years.
It's not really much to say about me, but I
really enjoyed. I'm going to retire from this, but i
really have enjoyed my years doing this, and I'm looking
forward to doing this episode with you. Vic. To kind
of wrap it all up, I'll just hit the main
points that I spoke about those four or five incidents.
Is very quickly started out with the torn up T
shirt that my grandson had found, which began to after
examining the shirt. Those were not somebody tearing something up
to use for a rag or something. They were looked
like claw marks to me, looked like it was shredded.
And then there were other incidentss with the people running
for their life with the water bottles and the things
that were spread and the woman's underclothes that were on
the bush where they had come running around the corner
and you could really tell it was very they were moving,
they were really scared. And I also found a tent
where it had been smashed to the ground for approximately
six months, and after investigating the inside of it all
that there was new equipment, everything in there had been abandoned,
and the person that was inside that tent had fought
their way out. They had discharged a shotgun and it
discharged to the right and in the far corner of
the tent, on the right side, they were shooting out
the door. And I know this area very well, and
I know that that's the heart of this dog Man territory.
So it leads me to understand that I believe with
one hundred and ten percent that that's what this person
was running from. Also the incident with my granddaughter where
we had walked by one howling and we weren't sure
we were going to make it out, but we did.
And that's just been a lot of things like that.
But I deemed the area very dangerous. Now it's a
long shock when I said two years ago it wasn't
like that at all. I believe that either it's something
the government's doing or it's people doing it, or I
believe other packs have moved into the area and been
causing friction. It could be a combination of any of those.
But the area has become very dangerous to where I'm
pretty much done going out there myself. It's just become
just too dangerously. So that's pretty much where I stand
on that.
Speaker 1: Well, I can understand what you've thrown in the towel
and aren't going to be heading out there anymore. How
long ago was it when you notice this change and
their demeanor in that area?
Speaker 2: About a year after we did that first episode, I
started noticing it, and it's been a very rapid change
for these events to all take place in this time period.
It's absolutely got me flabbergasted. I just can't understand. I mean,
I didn't understand before how they could be so docile
and you know, acted though like they didn't care whether
people walk through there or not, to this verocity that
we're witnessing now, to the point that I feel to
warn people about these animals because something if it's doing
it here, Vic, there's a good chance that it's happening
in other places. And you know, I, like I said,
like we talked about, I just don't want to see
anybody killed and such as you know, like I brought
up about some of the websites and things I think
are leading people into a trap, leading them to think
that these animals are gentle or able to get in
the midst of them and think you're going to come
out with your skin on. There's a very low chance
that that's going to happen if they continue down the
road that they're going. And like I said, they've been reproducing.
It rates that more and more and more vic I've
seen out there, it's just it's it's it's just strange.
The whole thing is just really weird. I don't know.
Speaker 1: Do you researching in the areas that are pretty far
and removed from that location.
Speaker 2: I did some, like I said, out east on the
first episode, and I've seen them and they caused me
very little trouble even out there. But if you if
you you know, you know this yourself being what you
do for uh, for the people here. More and more
people are heading to the woods to try to see
these things. And I don't know if because all of
the hype, I guess the word is to use hype
on the internet, that is deceiving people. I believe, especially youth.
I believe Vic, this this, this subject needs people to
take another look at it, very serious look because, like
I said, it's the lives of innocent people that can
die because of this stuff. And people keep invading their
territories and which we know they're very you know, territorial animals.
They've been hidden for all this time. You know, we
we've got records of them going you know, all the
way back into the you know, fifteen hundreds or even
back further than that, and the Indians bore witness to them.
But it seems that there wasn't much of a problem
with them like there is today. And I think it's
because of the storm of people that are rushing into
this and rushing into the woods. And animals an animal,
you know, they have areas that they call home. And
you got to look at it, look at it like this.
You know, somebody come running through your living room, you know,
with cameras and this and that and other without your permission.
You know, you're not going to stand for it, especially
if you got young. You know, Vic, we don't look
at it like that. But this is the woods is
their home, and man is becoming you know, more populated,
more populated, and we know that they're you know, pushing
back the forest and everything. But you know, I think
they've learned to live in these urban areas and around them.
But with all this hype on the internet and people
more and more people going in the woods, it could
be the very cause of this. I think it's placed
a big part in it.
Speaker 1: He might be right about that. It sounds like a
lot of people were heading into that area on the
regular for all these problems happened. But that calls to
question something I've been wondering about since you started telling
me about these recent developments. Have you been to any
of these other research areas after you noticed this change
in their demeanor in that one area where the abandon
tent was.
Speaker 2: Okay, I've been there, yeah, But are you asking me
if I've been any other areas other than this one?
Is that what you're asking?
Speaker 1: That's right? Have you been to any other research areas
besides the one that we're mostly talking about tonight where
you found the abandon tent you found that someone had
been running for their lives. Have you been to any
of your other research areas where dogmen are since you
noticed this swing in their temperament in that one area.
Speaker 2: Honestly, no, because that's where all the action's been and
it's pretty much kept me occupied trying to understand what's
been going on. My wife gets on me all the time.
She don't like me going out there doing this. But
you know, Vic, I've seen these things in the trees.
It's in the little ones, and it's almost though that
they don't care whether you see them or not, and
getting bolder. And I honestly, like I said, I mean,
if you're going to go do something, and whatever the
topic is you're going to do, you're going to go
to the area or to wherever your hobby is or
whatever it is your interest is. And this area has
enough action going on in it that there's no need
really to go anywhere else. This area would demand some
serious research by very I would say, veteran, very veteran
dogmned researchers. I'd recommend everybody else stay out of it
because it's just too dangerous anymore. I've been in this
for a long time. I mean a very long time,
and I don't scarey Zivik, I just somebody that don't.
But this has definitely got me raising an eyebrow and
concerned sometimes if I was ever coming back home, if
I was going to make it out of the woods,
and especially when they circled me, that thought they crossed
my mind, and I certainly didn't want to shoot my
way out because you're talking about a pack. I don't out, Jerry,
You're not going to make it. You're just not going
to make it. These things are going to take gunshots,
and you know, once your clip's gone and it's just
not going to work, You're not And the distance from
this area to the parking lot, you're not going to
make it alive. You're just not going to do it.
So it's just it's just it's phenomenal and in one
way of looking at it, the interest to a serious
researcher is big time. I mean, this is just like
the ace in the hand. But on the other hand,
it demands respect and extreme caution. And I wouldn't say
that thick if it wasn't true. I don't understand it myself.
I just I mean, I really on the first episode,
vic I brought out that I couldn't understand and asking
questions because I'm being honest, I don't understand how these
animals were so friendly, and you know, you could see
them walking through these areas and film them, hear them,
and then now all of a sudden, man, it's like
you become public enemy number one to them. And I
don't understand it because I've never ever done anything to
provoke them or to make them think that I would
do something to harm them. But when they act like
that around me, who's been there for so long and
have never caused them a problem, could you imagine what
they would do to somebody they don't know.
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ask you that question is I was initially gonna say, well,
maybe that guy who was inside the tent firing out
the door, maybe that was a catalyst that caused all
these problems, caused them to be so aggressive. But if
you noticed a shift six months or so before that
incident happened, then yeah, he couldn't be responsible for that shift.
So so much for that theory, he goes right out
the window. But also too, if you've never been to
any of your other research areas since you noticed this
shift in their behavior, I'd bet pretty good money that
what you're experiencing there in that one area, the main
research area, is local to that area. With my fingers,
in the whole dog man world, the dog man community,
so many connections with people all over who go out
and research these things, and eyewitnesses for that matter, in general.
If there is this shift all all over the place
and their demeanor and all of a sudden all dog
men became so aggressive, I'd be the first person to
know about it. But I haven't noticed any change whatsoever
like that. Now. I'm not taking anything away from what
you're saying about that big research area, the main research
area where you do most of your work, because I
fully believe you when you tell me that the dogmen
in that area are a lot more aggressive and acting dangerous.
But what do you think about the possibility that it
is localized to just that area.
Speaker 2: You may be right, because of the compact situation, because
of you know, the area itself is not a super
large area it is and it's not a national forest
or anything like that, which could be the reason. You know,
it's getting it from all sides and more and more
people for recreation and these other things that have been
getting on. It's possible because it's a compacted area that
it's forcing this kind of behavior. They're getting irritated, and
it's very good possibility it's people I don't know, or
it could be it like you know, a number of things.
But yeah, you may be onto something big because it
is an area that's not super large. In this kind
of uh place, it's farmland and you got patywoods here,
paty woods there, open fields, and then when you get
into these these uh forestry areas that's not real big
and these animals are setting up homestead it would take
long for people to get under their fur, especially when
more and more people are visiting these places. And like
I said, there were a plenty of people going out
there two years ago, but it's gotten down to almost nothing.
It's trickled down to nothing nearly. And you know, when
when you the things that I've witnessed, and what about
the things that I have it witness fick, Is there
incidences that I don't know about that have gone on
there for these animals to react like this in a
violent way like that within two years or basically a
year and to see a turn like this, something drastic,
Something has happened. And that's the big question. Why. I
don't know. I don't know. I can tell you the truth.
I can tell you what witness would have seen and heard,
and you know, I guess everybody would have to draw
their own conclusions. I mean, there's one hundred, you know,
reasons for why they could be doing it, reasons unknown
to us. But I think more and more people are
like throwing gas on the fire, especially when you've got
them coming from all sides into an area where they've
got young like this. You know that your guess is
as good as mine. There's a lot of good possibilities
of why this is happening. It could be this could
be something that has been building up over a period
of time and finally it snapped. You know, people, more people,
more people, and more people, and funny, you know, with
young and and such as this, they just maybe they're
just saying enough, you know, this is our home. Stay
out of it. Because we're seeing clashes. I've read other
people's reports and clashes. You know, people always make mention
of the clash. But because territory being destroyed by housing
developments and such as this, and it's pushing them and
where are they going to go? Vic? You know, especially
ones that are in areas like this, where are they
going to go? You know, if they they're burning bread
in this small area and that shrinking people are not
that the forest is shrinking, it's that people are compressing
in around them on every side. That's a pressure cooker, Vic,
That's plain and simple. That's a pressure cooker.
Speaker 1: Yeah, they're putting up houses everywhere. Of course there is
a huge housing shortage, so it's no wonder that that's happening.
But yeah, you make some really good points. Where are
they supposed to go?
Speaker 2: There's nowhere for him to go, So they're going to
fight any animal? Would you you take a grizzly beer
and compact about him and watch what happens. You just
start killing people right and left. If he's forced into
you put him in a small area and people come
in from all sides doing this doing that, you're gonna
you're gonna have problems, You're gonna have run ins. These
animals are no different except for probably they're a lot meaner.
You know, science doesn't have all the answers to everything
like they people claim. I think there's I think there's
a a spirit, a spiritual essence to everything. You know,
every human being is the spirit, and these things would
be alive if they didn't have a spirit. And I
think that, you know, we don't understand what living in
their world is. We can only look at it through
our eyeglasses, but how can we look at it through theirs?
We can only assume, but we really don't know. But
one thing I have learned as old as I am
and dealing with people and things that I have is
everybody's different and it's everybody's unique. But there's one solid
factor in all of this when it comes to a spirit,
and that is the love that the parent has for
it's young. And in every I don't care what species
it is, all the way up to man, they're going
to defend them, especially when they're being pressure cookered, Like
I think, what's happening here now? It may not be
happening in other places like this. But my guess is
I think, in my opinion that it's happening, but maybe
not as rapid as it is as far as speed
as it is here because of the size of the area.
But with the things that are going on in the
world VIC and the frequencies and the government and people's
cruel hearts and the people, like I said, on the internet,
and people going into these territories, and you know, everybody
wants to be the super researcher. And that's why I
strongly advised against it, because you know, we don't know
when we walk into a public hunting area what we're
walking into. VIC. We don't know, especially if we've never
been there. We don't know what we're walking into, especially
this place. If somebody never hunted there before and they
walk in there and all of a sudden they come
running out of there and not understanding what's going on, Well,
it didn't happen over here, but what is that thing?
What's going on? Or maybe they got killed, Maybe they
killed a deer and it come out there to take
it and they killed the man. You don't don't We
don't know, But there's a thousand reasons why you know,
things like this happen. But I do wholeheartedly believe it
that across the board from things that I have seen.
And you may, if you ever want to graft this
out or or look at it like that and see
if if the big if these dogmen are not getting
more violent to some degree across the board, And I
think you might find out that they are, even to
a small degree because they have to, because people are
entering their territory. We are going in their home to
research them. And they're not going to sit down with
you at a desk and let you ask them questions
like we're doing today. It's not going to happen. They
are going to react violently. So in other areas Vick,
where these people have been invading the territories, and you know,
the main your question is is you know what we
were talking about, is whether or not these things are
as bad in other places? Are they where they are here?
And like I said, I believe across the board is
somebody would really do a study on the sick and
graph it out, I believe you're going to find a
steady rise in aggression across the board. If somebody would
sit down and put this stuff together. You're a good
place to do it because I mean people come to
you with this stuff and with their their with their experiences,
and you know, you go through and figure out what is,
what is right and what isn't. And I think, Vic,
you would find that that is true. And this area
may be just one of many. And honestly, I think
you have something there about the area. I think it's
because the area is so small, and I think that
I think it's like throwing gas on the fire that's
already burning when they're already agitated, because again we're in
their living room and they stay back because we discussed it,
We brought this. This was brought up on the first
podcast or the first interview. If people would really sit down,
Vic with with the facts. I mean, not this, not
like you call it creepy pasta I like that, but
people sit down with the facts in cases where you know,
Vic in your heart, that they're telling you the truth.
These things are going on, and even like just the
United States grabbed it across the United States and areas.
Sure there are areas where dog Man is more condensed
than in other areas. So of course you're not going
to have as much runnings with people. But the question
is is in these public and these populated areas, they're
in urban areas now people are seeing them. I saw
that thing walking down the sidewalk in Jeffersonville, Indiana at
night and between two apartment buildings, and anybody could have
pulled in. I mean, the thing was just walking and
basically like it owned the joint and it was I mean,
that's just something you just don't see. And it tells
me that, you know, if this thing wasn't a dog man,
some people I've heard them say that the wherewith doesn't
have a tail and a dog man does. I don't know.
I don't know. I'm not an expert on the fact
that whether it's a warewoof or not, I don't know.
But I did see it and it was big and
it was hairy, and I wasn't about to holler at it.
But it was going through a populated area and it
wasn't running. It was casually walking. And that's what I'm saying.
They are mingling and coming. They're being forced into our
living urban areas there. They have no choice just because
of what I'm telling you is going on out there.
I think One of the big facts is the fact
that it's a smaller wooded area, and it could be
that they're overpopulating the area. It could be fretted between
the packs because it's such a small area and there's
more and more. And I told you that reproducing fast
could be another factor. So Vickags is probably a number
of things thrown in the bucket. It's doing it. I
think it. I think it's a lot of things that
are just agitating it. And if they are using beta waves,
like we've discussed before, that would definitely be a catalyst
for disaster for a fact. But as far as other areas,
I haven't been back out of East I have it
needed to because this area here has piqued my interest,
so I didn't really feel the need to go anywhere else.
But maybe I should have to see if it's like
this everywhere, or at least in other areas close to
this area. But I don't know, Vic, I don't I
don't have all the answers. You know. I'm not gonna
lie to you and say I do. I can tell
you what I know and speak of what I know
you what I know, and tell you what I've seen
that that's all I can do. I can speculate all
day long. It doesn't make it the truth, but common
sense throw it in there. I think, I think there's
some very you brought up some good points, and I
think that it's the population and the things with people
and uh, I think that's probably one of the major causes.
And I think population in such a smaller areas another.
That's another part of it. Of course, we know there
is full of all kinds of frequencies that could be
a part of it. I don't people firing at him
like that guy, did you know? I don't even know
if the man's alive. But Vic, it's an interesting point.
It's a very interesting point, is it like that? So
that would be for somebody that's you know, knows what
they're doing and to research around in these areas to
find out if this is what's really going on across
the board. But everybody's swearing up and down there being
a tag a dog man VIC on all these platforms.
People Oh yeah, And I don't doubt them. I mean
a lot of them probably have. I don't doubt that
at all, not the least, but what I've seen, I
don't doubt them. I'm not saying that every incidents is true,
but I believe that a lot of them probably are.
That tells you there that they are violent, they are vicious,
and they don't like people. And beck if it's if
they're like that, if it's just from the normal uh motive,
things are the normal range of the way that they
behave across the board and you start seeing these spikes
and smaller areas and they're reproducing Vick's common sense tell
you it's going to go to the bigger areas. It's
just like anything, it starts small and it grows, just
like an idea, you know, it starts small, but it grows.
It people like board with you know, making a call.
It was an idea, but look how big it grew.
And this is basically the same thing. These populations they're growing.
They got to have somewhere to go, and there's going
to be conflict with people who can be conflict with
other packs, and nobody's going to stop it. There's nobody
going to stop this. Vic ought seen so many little ones,
it's not funny. So where are they going to go?
I mean, they got to eat, They've got to uh,
they've got to have areas that they claim is their territory,
and it's going to cause conflicts with other packs and
they're basically outgrowing themselves. It's everywhere. People are reporting these
things more and more and more and more and more.
And back in the seventies, you never heard of anything
like this. Bigfoot was just starting out, but I never
heard a dog man. I never heard a dog man
until the two thousands, early two thousands and right around yeah,
late nineties, early two thousands, and I was already researching
Bigfoot at that point, and then I started hearing this,
and then things started showing up in some of my photographs.
And that's another point. I like to photograph tree lines,
and they're everywhere that I mean, anybody can walk just
about anywhere, and this is true. I could take a
camera and go just about anywhere around here or anywhere,
and I can photograph that tree line, just about any
tree line, and I guarantee I'm going to sign if
I blow that photo up, I'm going to see something.
Guarantee it. They're everywhere, and they're growing and there's a
reason why. There's got to be a reason for this.
And I had a lady that came on or a
lady that replied on the first interview, and a guy
did too, and they made a comment to the end,
to the end of the days, and they could be right.
They could be right. This could be preparation for something
much worse and vacaf it is, God help us all.
But like I said, these are not animals that you
put in the petting suit. They are vicious and they
are cool, and they don't play games. I don't believe
there's stuff people say, Oh yeah, it come over and
it talked to me and it was telling me about this,
and tell me about I don't believe in any of
that stuff at all. I don't believe none of that,
not a word of it. These are animals fact. And
even if they could do that, and they in order
to accumulate language like that, they would have to be
awful close to people for a very long time to
even understand. And they say the English language is were
the hardest languages to learn. So if they are doing it,
then it's coming from a spiritual thing. It's coming from
a demonic thing. It would have to be. I don't
want to take it in that direction, but you know
that it is a possibility. So if you're gonna, if
you're gonna, if we're going to look at this and
try to understand, you've got to put the spiritual side
in there with it. In order to come up with
a true conclusion, to the closest that we are able
to do, we have to look at every side of
this and look a look at records going back. I mean,
not this stuff that people are doing and going in
line for money to get views. I'm not talking about
that stuff. I'm talking about really, you know a lot
of true I'm sure a lot of good researchers that
are real and get their point of view on it
and ask them, hey, if you guys notice any kind
of more aggression in some of these areas like Daniel
Boon Park, uh down there in the forest down here
in Kentucky's it's supposed to be a pretty violent area,
and have people down there noticed more dog man encounters?
Being honest? Are people being honest about this? Are the
encounters they have and are they really true? Or do
they just want to get on a show and pull
somebody's leg. You know, digging through all that stuff to
try to find the truth is ridiculous, But we need
honest people We need honest people that are intelligent and
that can look at this subject with an honest heart
and evaluate the facts and the true facts, not this
other stuff efficiently. That stuff, it's just ridiculous. Like I said, Vic,
there's not too many channels. That's why, again, why I
came to you. I don't go for this stuff. You know,
people will do anything for money, but it's a very
this is not something that you do for money. This
is a very serious subject and it can affect people's lives,
it even cause them to be killed, and I think
it deserves uh a very serious looks. That's now with
the populations growing like they are, VIC, I mean, really,
come on, this is this is a serious mess. This
is not something that I think should be you know,
it shouldn't be looked at lightly. And we're not getting
help from the from the state or the government on
this issue. You're not. They's going to keep covering everything up.
You know, you're not going to get the truth unless
you get somebody that's retarded from the Forestry Service that
is honest. I don't believe a lot of the reports
they give. I've read a VIC, I have been through
thousands of reports and I read them, and I listen
to them, and and I don't even believe a third
of them. I really don't, because I catch them double
back in saying things, and then they trap themselves and
people people lie, and then when you come back and
ask them the question again, they got a different answer,
and or they say something and then they turn right
around and contradict it. See that's a lie. That's how
you know their line. And I know that just by discernment.
I know that's something that people like you have to
do to I would to make sure that the person
is not pulling your leg, because this is a very
serious subject, VIC and I can't. In my view, this
is my opinion. I think it's very, very underestimated. I
think we have missed the mark on it. I think
we missed it by a big mark, a big margin.
I don't think we even know what we're doing. Honestly,
we don't. The government does, but we don't. They've captured
these things, they weaponized them, they had them all the
way back in Vietnam, and here we set you know,
the eternity things loosing the forestry areas and people die,
and then you got these the natural breed that's in
there with these things, and you know you're going to
have a problem. These things are going to fight and kill,
and it just the blood just keeps being spilled. People
are the ones that's hanging at the end of the road.
We are the ones that are gonna pay for this stuff.
And it's it's a very serious subject, my friend. And
like I said, I'm I'm I'm retiring at this and
I I just Victori, is just so much data to
look at. But the problem is finding honest data, honest
people that won't lie, that will knock this junke off man.
These are killers. These animals are killers, you know, and
just to do this for money, it just sorry, but
it just bothers me very badly. It's just it's cold.
It's all cold hearted. Get somebody killed. Come on. But look,
everything I told you has been the truth. I put
my life on it. Everything I've told you, These things
that I've experienced have happened. And I wouldn't lie to
somebody for nothing and gets what I believe anyway, But Vic,
somebody's going to have to take this subject serious. Somebody.
I have never found a researcher, not that I've really
scanned the horizon looking for them. But I would like
to have found a researcher, and I think you understand
where I'm going with this, and a researcher that would really,
really a fearless man that doesn't take chances, that knows
what he's doing, that's had years of experience with these things,
that's been from one place to another, different areas, different states,
somebody that really understands the animal to really sit down
and take this thing across the board and find out
what in the world is going on. Check with government
you see, find out if they're using frequencies in these areas.
This area here, vic I believe deserves some very serious research.
Somebody that's got connections that might be able to find
out more about what the government might be doing if
that's a factor, or like I said, is there if
you could get a hold of what you would and
died out very seriously that anybody's going to turn it
over paperwork on people that's been ripped apart. I don't
think you're going to find that, but you might find
somebody that used to work for them that might be
able to give a little bit of insight on a
possibility of how many numbers of people have lost their
lives in this particular area, and that in itself would
give a very good clue of what's going on in
some of the other areas. You'd be able to measure,
probably predict the percentage of people that would be killed
if there's so many people being killed in this area
and you've got a population of so many and there's
this many people visit this park or whatever every year,
and lay out the facts and then get a good
understanding of what's really going on, because you know, this
this thing is growing and it's growing fast, and we
honestly don't know anything, Vic, I'm being honest. From whatever,
We don't really know much. Basically, we don't. All we're
talking about is a lot of people of the fear
and fear you know, they wanted everybody wants to hype.
You know, the thing about hype just about life and death,
and I think somebody needs to take the subject a
little bit more serious. This is why I said what
I said in the episode we just did, Vic. It
needed to be said because we're getting so far away
from the truth of what's really going on to we
don't even know what is truth and what isn't and
it's going to cause people their lives. It's not something
people need to monkey around with. We're dealing with creatures
that have a strength and an agility far beyond a
human being. We don't stand a chance, even with guns.
Half the time, you don't stand a chance with them,
and they'll get you. Vic. There's more. You know, there
are families and it's people think, yeah, I want to
go out and catch one of these pups. That would
be the biggest mistake of somebody's life. But you take somebody,
some kid that's maybe a partier, and say, hey, man,
it's going I'm going here in the woods. You know,
I think I know of that area where Marshall's talking about.
I think I know pretty much. Well, see if we
can go out there, man, I think the guy's full
of you on We'll see we go out there and
catch up up. You know, that would be a very serious.
Speaker 1: Mistake, Marshall. Not to interrupt you, but there's a very
important statement I want to put out there that touches
on what you just said. I can see it coming.
I can see it coming as sure as the sun
coming up tomorrow morning. It's pretty obvious why you haven't
done it, but I'm pretty sure a ton of listeners
are going to be asking me, well, why don't you
reveal where this area is, that all this stuff happened
that Marshall's talking about. Please spell it out for him.
Speaker 2: Well, for one, I don't want anybody else killed. And
that's the main thing that I do not want anybody
else killed. And that's probably what's going to happen if
I reveal the area. It's going to be a bunch
of amateurs are going to run out there. It's just
human nature. We'll find out. Don't think that guy's telling
the truth. Let's go out there and see what. Let's
get a little at you know, get some beer and
go out there and spend the night. That would be
a fatal mistake. They would be a bad mistake. And
this is my main reason why this is not a joke,
is not a lie. I'm putting the warning out because
I am pro life. I like to see our youth
grow up. I don't want to see a bunch of
kids murdered and slaughtered because I made a stupid mistake
and wasn't thinking. Because I told you and I just
brought it up before this is this area. It's for
a very very experienced, well thought out individual who knows
these animals, has known them, understands them to the as
far as they can, and somebody that don't take stupid chances.
And Vic, I would never I'm not going to tell
people where it's at. I just can't do that. It's suicide.
You know. It's like people think it's a it's a
it's a theme park, you know, and people get the
wrong idea. And like I said in the episode, when
you interview me, you know, god, dare you you know?
This is not something somebody wants to do here. And
I just I fear for people, Vic, I really do.
And that's my reason why for not ever revealing it,
because it needs to be As I said before, it
needs to be researched by somebody that really knows what
they're doing. This is no this is not a playground.
This is not for amateur researchers. This is not for
this kind of a person. This is for a mature
researcher that knows his boundaries, knows what to do, understands
the animals like that, Vic, That's what it's going to take,
or somebody's gonna end up dead. And I love people,
like I said, and I have to sleep at night.
And if I were to reveal this, you know as
well as I do, that place would be full of people.
You would have research with women out of state. I
bet to come there. Oh yeah, this is not for amateurs,
believe me. You look, I've been going to thirty years
and I don't want to go back. I don't want
to go back. They surrounded me the last time, and
I understood that was an invitation to leave and for
them to do that to me, you know, and I
understood it very clear. And I saw him with my
I saw the one walk and I saw his legs.
Like I said, I couldn't see his upper body, but
I saw his legs and he was in that part
from me. The brush had his upper body. But I
took pictures of two of them. And I know I
repeat myself a lot, but I got to drill this
into people's heads. This is not This is not hunting
a rabbit. This is not hunting a deer. This is
something that will kill you and it ain't and it
don't bother it to do it either, And it's it's
it's normal way of life. Killing you or me would
be they lose an Elsie sleep or killing your kid
or your wife, you know. And I, honestly, Vic, with
all my heart, believe that I think that these forest strangers,
these parks, I think they are cold hearted human beings
knowing and willingly letting people go out there for monetary
reasons and them knowing what's out there and people being
killed out there before and shut up because well we
don't want to lose any money. Shame on them, Vic,
Shame on them, you know what. But there's one thing
about me. I've been in a military. I'm an ex fighter.
I'm not afraid of things, and I'm not afraid to
tell the truth. I'm not afraid the truth. I believe
if more people would quit lying and start telling the truth,
we might get a lot further down the road than
what we are. And that's a strong statement. And please
forgive me anybody. I'm not point fingers at anybody in particular.
I'm just talking across the board. If you're doing it,
you ought to stop it because it could end up
hurting somebody or killing somebody. These animals need to be
taken more serious. And if anybody ever went to this area.
They would understand exactly what I mean. They would not
go back if they lived. So you know, why are
people not going there? See? People used to go up
there and walk their dogs and nobody there. But the
place is grown up. Why and then all of a
sudden it's aggression. See I believe nature. I believe people
aren't listening to their instincts to some degree. Get a
bad feeling. I don't think I want to go out
there anymore. My dog was, you know, was on edge,
you know, and stuff like this, and hear things in
the woods. Like I said, I saw a baby big
foot and it looked like a small chip fanzy running
all fours, run about ten feet, run right back in
the woods. You know, that's when things were good. Normally
you got that close, you might not, you know, come
out of it with your head on your body. But
they never bothered me. And I never did stupid things
like the rocks at him or shoot at him. You know,
I've always spoke kindly to him when I knew they
were there, a soft toned voice, always friendly, always kind.
Like my first interview, I talked about the demeanor of
people and how we approach it, you know, if you
are a kind hearted, loving person, a very good chance
you could stand a better chance of coming out of
this place alive than somebody that's arrogant and stupid, because
you just this is a very serious VIC. I pray
that God gets this into the hearts of people. This
is not a lie or a joke. I've heard some
of your interviews and I could tell when somebody's telling
the truth and when they're not. And some of those
people that have been women that have been terrorized, my
heart goes out to them. VIC. It really does. These
people that you know, they can't sleep at night anymore.
They wake up in the middle of the night with
the cold sweats, wondering if there are things, you know,
looking in their windows and stuff like this. It's a nightmare.
It's a living nightmare. This is a very serious thing,
and I just pray that people will listen to my
final warning. Please please use caution going into the woods.
Watch your back. That's one thing I learned as a
street fighter, you know, in Chicago when I was young,
and that's what thing you do. It's a street foot
you watch your back. And when I go to the woods,
I've never lost that thing. That instinct of all turned
around and look, and I found out with dog Man
that pays off and Bigfoot marry me in the first
interview that one, whatever it was, was sticking up behind
me and I knew it was going to break my neck.
That was out east. So I always watch my back,
and it's a smart thing to do. People, if you're
out in the woods, turn around once a every few
minutes or whatever, and look and look. If you hear
anything sticks breaking, better heavy leave because you can tell
if it's a deer or something small. But when you
hear a stick of any size, break leave right then
leave right there. You're being tracked. You're being tracked for
a fact. So whether it lets you live or not,
that's update. But please, vic, I just pray that my
humble warning goes out across the board. I don't to
go into it, you know, the whole thing yesterday. But
you know, we were talking about questions and answers on
this subject. But if somebody were to ask me, what
area would you recommend to go in in the area
where you live, and my answer would be none. My
answer would be none because I don't research any other area.
But I have stopped and I've done magnet fishing with
my grandkids and creeks and stuff like that, and that
feeling come over me. And they're just everywhere, Vic. They
follow creeks, they hunt, they stay out of sight, they
climb trees. They're very good about concealing themselves. I have
seen something that I don't know if I mentioned just
come back to mind. I should have brought it up
on the interview. I did see one on the way
out what I called Ambush Alley. I was coming out
of there and it was almost dark and I saw
one and I photographed it. I don't know if I
kept the photo or not. I have so many of
my deleted tonsum. But it was showing its teeth thick
stand out behind a tree, and I could counter your
tooth in the thing's head. And that's something I had forgotten.
And that's that's something I've never seen before, Vick. And
now it's showing your teeth at me. And I didn't
even know it was there. I just took photos as
I was leaving in the dark woods as I was leaving,
and that stood out. The teeth were white, it stood
out like I don't know what it's.
Speaker 1: Vick.
Speaker 2: What do you say, I mean, what could I say
more than what I have? How do you convince people that, hey,
you know, this guy's you know, I don't want to
think of me as an old salt he or some
old bogy that thinks he knows something. I don't know anything.
I don't going to know anything. You know, I would
tell you the truth of what I've seen and what
I've heard. Anything else would be a lie. And I
just pray that anybody that watches this or hears this,
please be very careful. And if these are woods that
you're going in that you've never been in before, please
pack and please go in a large group of people,
because you don't know what is waiting for you in there,
or what could be waiting for you. And I think
it's getting worse and worse, and you know it, people
are dying. It's just something that just it's heart reaching,
and you know, you know, after thirty years, I've had enough.
But this is a good way to leave the research
to younger and smarter people. Our younger generations smarter than
us older guys, and a smarter generation that listens to
the wisdom of us older men that have been in
the battle for a while. And if they can take
that information and apply it to their knowledge and use it,
that's the makings of the good researcher. Somebody that will
listen and apply what they hear and put it into
a program for their self and how to approach this
subject and how to approach these animals. And I think
they would do well. But remember, caution is always the
number one in the instincts. I cannot over emphasize the instincts. Thick,
Please listen to your God given instincts, because these things
are running on them and their interstincts are to kill yours.
You become the prey. Even though we are we are
apex predators, but not in the woods. Not the woods
or not. They they got the top notch. We are smart,
but they're not stupid either, And so I just I
would just like to say that, you know, I enjoyed
sharing this, this whatever little bit of knowledge that I
humbly and I want people to understand that I'm not
to know it all and I don't want to be
thought of as that, but I'd like to be thought
of as somebody that leaves the field with a stern,
loving warning that things are changing. Climates are changing, people
are changing, animals are changing. Look look at the look
at the birds. Don't even know what direction to go
in migration. Something is happening. It's it's everywhere. It's everywhere.
I mean it's not a big foot or dog man.
I mean, you know, whales are you know, beaching themselves
and birds are going in the direction during migrations. Something's happening.
And this could be the cause of this. It could
be because the Earth is doing something. There's there's a
million reasons why this could be happening. But the thing
about it is, and this is I'd like to leave
it with this. Don't become a casualty. Don't become that.
Use wisdom, be careful. And I still think Vic's the best,
just shows the best. And I always recommend you, Vic, always.
And I hope that what I've said here would be
a blessing to the people in some little way. I hope.
But Vic, that's all I know. That's all I know.
If I'm not going to see here and make up something,
you know, that's all I got. And uh, if if
you have any question, any more questions, Vica, whatever you
want to do.
Speaker 1: Oh, I've got tons and tons of questions for you,
a laundry list of questions, But I want to put
something out there though. Dog Men unfortunately, are never going
to be taken seriously until their existence is officially acknowledged
by the government, and yeah, good luck with that happening.
So in my opinion, they never are going to be
taken seriously. And also point number two, I can totally
understand why you feel that there's been a change in
their demeanor in that area. Sounds like you feel that
way for good reason. But I don't agree with you
when you say that you think that all over there's
been a change in their demeanor, because, like I said earlier,
if that was the case, I'd be the first one
to know it. It's not a brag. I do speak
with more dogmen eyewitnesses than anyone around. And if there
was a change, i'd notice an increase. And the report's
coming in and I haven't noticed any increase whatsoever. Everything
is just business as usual. The same number of reports
come in, and when the report do come in, there
is no heightening of aggressive accounts or anything like that.
I think what you're hearing when you listen to all
these shows putting out every week, week in, week out,
it's a new eyewitness reporting an attack or reporting watching
someone be killed by a dog man. That's just creepy pasta.
I mean, the last time I received a report from
anyone who who actually was attacked and killed was that
show that I guess it was about a month and
a half ago that aired, or that eyewitness talked about
when she was a kid, she went to that one
park in Colorado and a friend of hers was killed
in that park by a dog man. But yeah, I mean,
you want to talk about once in a true blue moon,
do I ever get a report like that. There is
no regularity whatsoever for reports coming in like that, So
that right there, that's why I've got the mindset that, yeah, dogmen,
I'm sure they definitely do kill people. And it sounds
like from what you've said about that park that area, Yeah,
sounds like now that they act the way they do there,
there's a heightened chance that if you go there that
could happen. But all over all over the place wherever
you might bump into a dog man, I definitely I
don't think that's the case for the aforementioned reasons, and
also too, you're talking to a guy, and I'm talked
about because of this. I know what's said about me
because I do this, but I mean all the time,
pretty much every day I'm in the woods, I like
to walk around and the big woods here, I've literally
walked hundreds and hundreds of miles through it. And you
want to talk about the perfect place, the perfect hangout
for dog men, not just a dog men because of
the size of the place, dog men could hang out
in this place and they'd have all the resources they
could possibly want, from moving water, to food to other resources.
But I don't have any trouble. I don't take anyone
else with me. I don't take a weapon most of
the time. And like I said, I've walked literally hundreds
of miles. But because you've had those experiences in that
particular park, like I said, I'm not discounting what you're
saying whatsoever. I'm just saying that it's my opinion that
it's that one area that deserves that reputation. Instead of
just casting a broad net and saying that all the
places where dogmen are are changing that way, I just
wanted to put that.
Speaker 2: Out there for you, right. I believe there, I still
believe that because and the reason that I do is
because of the times in the that we're living in,
and you're going to have run ins with this because
the people are populations of people are increasing, populations of
dog men are increasing, and this is a setup for
something coming down the road. And like I said before,
who knows how bad this is going to get five
or ten years from now, But I believe that it's
a pressure cooker. Like I said, I still I disagree
with you on that one because I do believe that
they are doing that because you're constantly getting reports all
the time on well somebody had a running with this
dog man, and they're getting more and more and it's
not just your platform, it's everywhere. Well, of course, not
all of it's true, we know that, but I believe
because of what I've seen. No, it's may not be
as bad in other areas as it is in this
particular one, but vig with populations of humans and populations
of dog man, these two don't mix, and they're continually growing.
And as they begin to they continue to take out
you know, wooded areas, and you know you're hearing more
and more about them in urban areas. Yeah, it's going
to get worse. It has to. And what about all
the things that have not been said, the reports that
have not been put in, but me knowing the way
that I am, and the things that I have seen,
even we've been put out east, you know, coming up
behind me and speaking up behind me, because they've been
known to break people's necks and stuff like this. You know,
these are these are it's it's the fact that animals,
no matter what they are, you know, they run from
man up to a point. It's like a lion or
anything else like that. As populations increase, fig you're going
to have these run ins. But yeah, I think I
think it's maybe not as fast as what's happening here.
I don't even understand this myself, but I do believe
because of the times that we live in, and like
I said, the populations and the deforestation and all the
factors thrown in in the pot. Yeah, I do believe
that it's going to get even worse because we have
We've got all the ingredients in the pod, and this
thing's going to blow. It's got to cannot We're getting,
you know, people talking about this more and more and
more about dog man encounters running behind their cars, and
this and that the other. And like I said, you
may have an area where, for some reason there's this
very small population living there. Who knows. I don't know.
I can't speak to what I don't know, But I
believe that due to the times in which we live
and when you throw when you throw the Bible into
the mix, and these things are supposed to happen at
the end times. So when you really take everything, all angles,
all portions that it is, it is, it has to
It's just common sense. You may not hear of it
like that, but Vic, there's a lot of people living
in a lot of places that we don't even know.
But if this is happening here, my guess is it's
happening somewhere else. There's no reason for it. There's just
absolutely no reason for this. But like I when you
had discussed, I would like to see somebody or me
take somebody in there that is a level headed man
or woman or whoever that knows, and I guarantee you
when he comes out, he's going to have photographs and
you'll see what I mean. But as far as yeah,
I believe, I mean, look at the explosion of all
the reports that. I mean, something is happening, and being
that we are at the end days, this stuff's supposed
to happen, and it's happening. I've watched it and it's
not just with subjects like what we're talking about. Vic.
Look at people's behavior. People used to when we were kids,
people didn't act like this. No, people respectful, people were
more kind to one another. But now you know, they
shoot you without even giving you a second look. In
the street, they're blowing people away. We know a lady now,
her husband was just shot over in Washington Stay for
no reason, a family man. They just drove and shot
the guy for no reason, and shot other people for
no reason. You never heard about this stuff when we're
growing up. So when you see stuff like this going on,
it carried I believe that it carries over into the
natural world because I spoke with spirits and uh, spirits
never change, Vick. They ever, they change masks, but they
never they never changed. And people change, but they don't,
and it's always the same outcome. And it's very predictable
because wild animals when they're when they're what do you
want to call it, uh crunched into one area, forced
into an area with man, you're going to have a problem,
and we are having it, and it's I believe this
is just a beginning, or there may be some other
areas like this thick, but I'm leave it's the beginning
of something much worse. And that's my honest opinion looking
at everything that I've seen and understand. But I agree
with you, I mean from your reports. Sure, I mean
you've got to go by the facts that you that
you understand, and so we're all throwing what we all
have in together to see what the outcome would be.
It's just a subject. It's ongoing, vic I think, And
like I said, you're more of an expert. You hear
this stuff. I'm sure you have enough discernment to know
when somebody's giving you the creepy pasta. But there is
an underlining truth to this, and that's what I've looked for.
When you comb through all the garbage, when you comb
through all the lies and all the people, the moneymakers
and this and that, and you get down to the few,
and then you find the truth. Somebody told me something
in somebody's life. It's made a lot of sense to me.
Maybe it's good advice, but They said, if you want
to be right, just stop doing what's wrong. And I
think it kind of applies with this. You know, man
is invading into territories that man don't care. Man's always
about money, self, his own self esteem. He's about himself.
Most people could care less if you died in the street.
And but animals, they follow instincts. They're not thinkers like
we are. And that's our biggest problem. And watching what's
going on, we're causing it. VIC. Human beings are causing this,
and we have to live. All humans have to live.
And I don't understand how we could ever live in
peace together, in harmony with these creatures. I don't know
how that's even possible. Because man destroys everything he gets.
We have been called we've shot animals to their extinct.
We always destroy everything we get without understanding it. But
I think I'll leave it with this VIC. In my opinion,
I believe nature is starting to fight back. I believe
that with all my heart. Nature's starting to fight back,
and they're doing it. It's doing it with a vengeance,
and people are dying and being People say that I'm spiritual.
I don't know, but what I do understand is fear
is growing. People are afraid these days. Vic They're afraid
of everything. They're afraid of the government, They're afraid of
losing everything they got. They're afraid of bankruptcy, the government
going bankruptcy, they're afraid of of They're just afraid. Our
country is in terrible condition. People just afraid we're going
to war with everybody that you know, and that spills
over into the natural realm. I think think of it
like this, thick That's what I like to think. If people,
if you've got a huge group of people that are depressed,
that are full of anxiety, and I think that that
radiates over into the natural world because you've got millions
of millions of people that are either scared, worried constantly
with every day comings and goings, sick people, families dying
of cancer, worry, worry, worry, worry, and you know, life
is like that. And I honestly believe I like with animals,
cats and dogs, you come in your house, that animal
can tell whether or not what kind of mood you're in.
And I think when you've got millions and millions of
people having this kind of a spirit, if I can
say that I think that it does affect the world.
And plus science has done nature a very bad turn,
filling with the earth, fullling with all that it's done. Vic,
I believe we are flirting with disasters the old song
well years ago I listened to rock music. I believe
we are flirting with disaster. And I think this is
just the beginning of what we're seeing. What I've seen,
and I know this is not the only area like this.
There's got to be others. It just doesn't work like that.
And I've told the truth, and I think the world
of view, and I think the world of the people
that listen to you. You've got a great thing going
your vict But I like a man that speaks his opinion.
And if you think you're right, God bless you. And
if you think I'm right, if I think I'm right,
God bless me. But that's what it takes to understand.
When we come to the table, Vic, we all bring
something to the table. And if we can't, it's like
eating pie. If if I hit a seat, I just
throw it away and go on eating pie. And I like,
you know, you brought something to the table that I
found very helpful. And I appreciated what you said because
it got me to think, and that's what we need
to do more of it. Say hey, look I disagree
with you on this, and this is why. That's what
we need more of. That's how we come to the
truth and come to the right understanding, because it's by
it's by pros and cons, it's we've got to come
We got to find the truth. And so now two
people are actually going to agree on everything that is said.
We don't, but we come as as friends and people
with the same interest, and we lay what we got
on the table. We bring what we got to the table,
and we all look at what the other fella's got.
It said, well I don't agree with that. I'll say, well,
thank you. You know well I do. But here's why.
But you might say, well, no, here's why I don't.
If this is what you could be right, I could
be wrong. If this is what it's going to take
VIC to shift through all the garbage till we can
come to the truth. We need more of what you
just did, Marshall. I don't agree with you on that point.
Thank you for that. Vic. That's what we need more of.
That's how we come and find the truth is by
people bringing their what they're understanding is to the table.
And if we can do this and really have people's
interest at heart, like you do and what I believe
I do, and it come with pros and cons. Sure,
no two people can agree on everything, but Vic, once
all the stuff, once all the draws is skinned off
the top, we got the truth. And that's how we
come to it and not fighting and arguing, but respecting
one another's opinion and say well, I don't agree, and
thank you for that, Vic, I appreciate it. That's a
real man. I appreciated that because you're teaching me and
I think the world of that. That that's a man.
That's a real man. I love that, I really do.
I appreciate that. It's not about arguing. I think you
had a good point, and I gave you my point.
Am I right? Maybe not? Are you right? Maybe not?
But somewhere in the middle, Vic, the truth lies there.
And I think that's what's important with us researchers and
with people. If we can sit down to the table
like this and not get angry or say wow, I
don't agree with you, Well, to heck with you. That's
not that's not how it's done. Now we come to
the table with an open mind and hearts for the people. VIC.
Sooner or later, we're going to come to the truth.
And that's what I think it's all been about. It's
coming to the truth of this. That's what all the
research is about. I'm just sharing a little wisdom. I
don't mean to go too long, but God bless you, Vic,
I appreciate that. Don't ever lose that. Don't ever lose that.
Don't ever be afraid to disagree with somebody. If you
think you're right, tellable, because you know what, Vic, And
between the two opinions, there's where we find a yellow line,
and it takes more of that pros and cons. Pros
and cons. We need that in order to understand each
other and what we're talking about and trying to come
to the truth. The whole thing about this is finding
the truth. And if we could do this, Vic, we're
all gonna be a lot safer and we're all gonna
be a lot better off. In my opinion, we will.
I've gets you too well. I'm so sorry.
Speaker 1: Oh no, don't apologize. Don't apologize. And just because we
disagree on there being a widespread ramping up of the
danger that these guys pose. Well, let me qualify that.
Like I said earlier, I'm never gonna say that dog
men are ever safe to be around. I'm never gonna
say that. But my whole standpoint is because of the
numbers I deal with, numbers of eyewitnesses and the experiences
on the average that they report to me. That's why
I've come to the conclusion that these guys are not
wired by nature to be dangerous to the point where
if the opportunity presents itself to rip a human apart,
they're going to act on that and do that. I'm
never going to say that there aren't deviant ones that
will rip a person apart as soon as the opportunity
presents itself. But having said all that, yeah, just because
our opinions vary on that, that doesn't mean I don't
respect your opinion, because I definitely do. But having said that,
I want to thank you so much for coming back
on to do this second show here, Marshall. I really
do appreciate it, and please remember, if I can ever
help you out in the future, all I have to
do is just let me know and I'll be there
for you man.
Speaker 2: I appreciate that. Vic. Like I said, I say it again,
You've got a good thing going. Don't ever lose it.
Don't ever lose it. People need it, They need you man,
they do.
Speaker 1: Oh, thank you sir. I feel blessed to be in
a position to be able to help the eyewitnesses. So yeah,
if I have my way, I'll never stop that. I
never will. But having said that, thanks again so much
for your time Marshall. Like I said, I really appreciate it,
and have a great night.