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Dogmanencounters dot com forward Slash podcast. If you listened episode

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six twenty six a couple of days ago, you heard

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tonight's guest come on and talk about a research area

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that he's been researching for thirty years.

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Speaker 2: Now.

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Speaker 1: Actually, well, if you listen to episode four forty five,

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that's when he initially came on. He talked about how

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the dogmen in that research Cherry, we're almost docile, but

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unfortunately recently something has changed and he describes him as

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being dangerous. Now, well, if you listen to episode six

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twenty six, like I said, you understand why he feels

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that way. But before we get to that point, I

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just want to welcome our guests back on. Thanks again

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so much for coming back on, Marshall. I really appreciate it.

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Speaker 2: Thank you Zan for having me.

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Speaker 1: Oh no, you know you're welcome, Marshall. Like I said,

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for anyone who missed episode six twenty six a couple

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of days ago, can you tell us about yourself first?

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And then after you do that if you can breeze

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over those recent experiences that had you arriving to the

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conclusion that that area is filled with dangerous dogmen now

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when they used to be, as you put it back

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in the day, almost docile.

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Speaker 2: Kim. I'm sixty four years old, retired body man and painter.

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Been a bigfoot and dog man researcher for around thirty years.

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It's not really much to say about me, but I

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really enjoyed. I'm going to retire from this, but i

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really have enjoyed my years doing this, and I'm looking

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forward to doing this episode with you. Vic. To kind

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of wrap it all up, I'll just hit the main

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points that I spoke about those four or five incidents.

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Is very quickly started out with the torn up T

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shirt that my grandson had found, which began to after

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examining the shirt. Those were not somebody tearing something up

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to use for a rag or something. They were looked

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like claw marks to me, looked like it was shredded.

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And then there were other incidentss with the people running

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for their life with the water bottles and the things

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that were spread and the woman's underclothes that were on

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the bush where they had come running around the corner

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and you could really tell it was very they were moving,

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they were really scared. And I also found a tent

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where it had been smashed to the ground for approximately

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six months, and after investigating the inside of it all

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that there was new equipment, everything in there had been abandoned,

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and the person that was inside that tent had fought

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their way out. They had discharged a shotgun and it

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discharged to the right and in the far corner of

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the tent, on the right side, they were shooting out

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the door. And I know this area very well, and

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I know that that's the heart of this dog Man territory.

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So it leads me to understand that I believe with

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one hundred and ten percent that that's what this person

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was running from. Also the incident with my granddaughter where

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we had walked by one howling and we weren't sure

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we were going to make it out, but we did.

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And that's just been a lot of things like that.

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But I deemed the area very dangerous. Now it's a

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long shock when I said two years ago it wasn't

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like that at all. I believe that either it's something

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the government's doing or it's people doing it, or I

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believe other packs have moved into the area and been

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causing friction. It could be a combination of any of those.

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But the area has become very dangerous to where I'm

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pretty much done going out there myself. It's just become

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just too dangerously. So that's pretty much where I stand

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on that.

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Speaker 1: Well, I can understand what you've thrown in the towel

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and aren't going to be heading out there anymore. How

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long ago was it when you notice this change and

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their demeanor in that area?

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Speaker 2: About a year after we did that first episode, I

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started noticing it, and it's been a very rapid change

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for these events to all take place in this time period.

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It's absolutely got me flabbergasted. I just can't understand. I mean,

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I didn't understand before how they could be so docile

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and you know, acted though like they didn't care whether

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people walk through there or not, to this verocity that

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we're witnessing now, to the point that I feel to

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warn people about these animals because something if it's doing

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it here, Vic, there's a good chance that it's happening

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in other places. And you know, I, like I said,

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like we talked about, I just don't want to see

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anybody killed and such as you know, like I brought

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up about some of the websites and things I think

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are leading people into a trap, leading them to think

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that these animals are gentle or able to get in

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the midst of them and think you're going to come

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out with your skin on. There's a very low chance

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that that's going to happen if they continue down the

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road that they're going. And like I said, they've been reproducing.

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It rates that more and more and more vic I've

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seen out there, it's just it's it's it's just strange.

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The whole thing is just really weird. I don't know.

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Speaker 1: Do you researching in the areas that are pretty far

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and removed from that location.

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Speaker 2: I did some, like I said, out east on the

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first episode, and I've seen them and they caused me

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very little trouble even out there. But if you if

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you you know, you know this yourself being what you

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do for uh, for the people here. More and more

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people are heading to the woods to try to see

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these things. And I don't know if because all of

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the hype, I guess the word is to use hype

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on the internet, that is deceiving people. I believe, especially youth.

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I believe Vic, this this, this subject needs people to

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take another look at it, very serious look because, like

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I said, it's the lives of innocent people that can

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die because of this stuff. And people keep invading their

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territories and which we know they're very you know, territorial animals.

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They've been hidden for all this time. You know, we

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we've got records of them going you know, all the

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way back into the you know, fifteen hundreds or even

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back further than that, and the Indians bore witness to them.

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But it seems that there wasn't much of a problem

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with them like there is today. And I think it's

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because of the storm of people that are rushing into

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this and rushing into the woods. And animals an animal,

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you know, they have areas that they call home. And

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you got to look at it, look at it like this.

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You know, somebody come running through your living room, you know,

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with cameras and this and that and other without your permission.

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You know, you're not going to stand for it, especially

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if you got young. You know, Vic, we don't look

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at it like that. But this is the woods is

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their home, and man is becoming you know, more populated,

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more populated, and we know that they're you know, pushing

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back the forest and everything. But you know, I think

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they've learned to live in these urban areas and around them.

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But with all this hype on the internet and people

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more and more people going in the woods, it could

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be the very cause of this. I think it's placed

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a big part in it.

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Speaker 1: He might be right about that. It sounds like a

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lot of people were heading into that area on the

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regular for all these problems happened. But that calls to

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question something I've been wondering about since you started telling

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me about these recent developments. Have you been to any

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of these other research areas after you noticed this change

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in their demeanor in that one area where the abandon

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tent was.

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Speaker 2: Okay, I've been there, yeah, But are you asking me

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if I've been any other areas other than this one?

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Is that what you're asking?

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Speaker 1: That's right? Have you been to any other research areas

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besides the one that we're mostly talking about tonight where

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you found the abandon tent you found that someone had

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been running for their lives. Have you been to any

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of your other research areas where dogmen are since you

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noticed this swing in their temperament in that one area.

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Speaker 2: Honestly, no, because that's where all the action's been and

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it's pretty much kept me occupied trying to understand what's

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been going on. My wife gets on me all the time.

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She don't like me going out there doing this. But

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you know, Vic, I've seen these things in the trees.

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It's in the little ones, and it's almost though that

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they don't care whether you see them or not, and

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getting bolder. And I honestly, like I said, I mean,

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if you're going to go do something, and whatever the

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topic is you're going to do, you're going to go

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to the area or to wherever your hobby is or

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whatever it is your interest is. And this area has

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enough action going on in it that there's no need

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really to go anywhere else. This area would demand some

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serious research by very I would say, veteran, very veteran

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dogmned researchers. I'd recommend everybody else stay out of it

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because it's just too dangerous anymore. I've been in this

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for a long time. I mean a very long time,

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and I don't scarey Zivik, I just somebody that don't.

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But this has definitely got me raising an eyebrow and

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concerned sometimes if I was ever coming back home, if

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I was going to make it out of the woods,

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and especially when they circled me, that thought they crossed

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my mind, and I certainly didn't want to shoot my

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way out because you're talking about a pack. I don't out, Jerry,

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You're not going to make it. You're just not going

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to make it. These things are going to take gunshots,

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and you know, once your clip's gone and it's just

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not going to work, You're not And the distance from

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this area to the parking lot, you're not going to

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make it alive. You're just not going to do it.

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So it's just it's just it's phenomenal and in one

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way of looking at it, the interest to a serious

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researcher is big time. I mean, this is just like

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the ace in the hand. But on the other hand,

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it demands respect and extreme caution. And I wouldn't say

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that thick if it wasn't true. I don't understand it myself.

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I just I mean, I really on the first episode,

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vic I brought out that I couldn't understand and asking

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questions because I'm being honest, I don't understand how these

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animals were so friendly, and you know, you could see

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them walking through these areas and film them, hear them,

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and then now all of a sudden, man, it's like

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you become public enemy number one to them. And I

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don't understand it because I've never ever done anything to

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provoke them or to make them think that I would

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do something to harm them. But when they act like

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that around me, who's been there for so long and

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have never caused them a problem, could you imagine what

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they would do to somebody they don't know.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, oh definitely. If you've had a dog mean encounter

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that you need help dealing with, or if you'd like

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to be a guest on the show, please go to

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Dogmanencounters dot com and submit a report. If you've had

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a Bigfoot sighting, I would like to be a guest

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on one of my two big foot podcasts, please go

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to my Bigfoot Sighting dot com. The reason why I

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ask you that question is I was initially gonna say, well,

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maybe that guy who was inside the tent firing out

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the door, maybe that was a catalyst that caused all

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these problems, caused them to be so aggressive. But if

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you noticed a shift six months or so before that

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incident happened, then yeah, he couldn't be responsible for that shift.

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So so much for that theory, he goes right out

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the window. But also too, if you've never been to

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any of your other research areas since you noticed this

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shift in their behavior, I'd bet pretty good money that

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what you're experiencing there in that one area, the main

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research area, is local to that area. With my fingers,

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in the whole dog man world, the dog man community,

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so many connections with people all over who go out

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and research these things, and eyewitnesses for that matter, in general.

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If there is this shift all all over the place

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and their demeanor and all of a sudden all dog

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men became so aggressive, I'd be the first person to

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know about it. But I haven't noticed any change whatsoever

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like that. Now. I'm not taking anything away from what

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you're saying about that big research area, the main research

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area where you do most of your work, because I

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fully believe you when you tell me that the dogmen

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in that area are a lot more aggressive and acting dangerous.

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But what do you think about the possibility that it

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is localized to just that area.

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Speaker 2: You may be right, because of the compact situation, because

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of you know, the area itself is not a super

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large area it is and it's not a national forest

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or anything like that, which could be the reason. You know,

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it's getting it from all sides and more and more

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people for recreation and these other things that have been

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getting on. It's possible because it's a compacted area that

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it's forcing this kind of behavior. They're getting irritated, and

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it's very good possibility it's people I don't know, or

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it could be it like you know, a number of things.

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But yeah, you may be onto something big because it

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is an area that's not super large. In this kind

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of uh place, it's farmland and you got patywoods here,

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paty woods there, open fields, and then when you get

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into these these uh forestry areas that's not real big

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and these animals are setting up homestead it would take

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long for people to get under their fur, especially when

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more and more people are visiting these places. And like

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I said, there were a plenty of people going out

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there two years ago, but it's gotten down to almost nothing.

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It's trickled down to nothing nearly. And you know, when

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when you the things that I've witnessed, and what about

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the things that I have it witness fick, Is there

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incidences that I don't know about that have gone on

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there for these animals to react like this in a

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violent way like that within two years or basically a

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year and to see a turn like this, something drastic,

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Something has happened. And that's the big question. Why. I

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don't know. I don't know. I can tell you the truth.

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I can tell you what witness would have seen and heard,

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and you know, I guess everybody would have to draw

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their own conclusions. I mean, there's one hundred, you know,

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reasons for why they could be doing it, reasons unknown

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to us. But I think more and more people are

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like throwing gas on the fire, especially when you've got

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them coming from all sides into an area where they've

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got young like this. You know that your guess is

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as good as mine. There's a lot of good possibilities

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of why this is happening. It could be this could

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be something that has been building up over a period

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of time and finally it snapped. You know, people, more people,

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more people, and more people, and funny, you know, with

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young and and such as this, they just maybe they're

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just saying enough, you know, this is our home. Stay

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out of it. Because we're seeing clashes. I've read other

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people's reports and clashes. You know, people always make mention

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of the clash. But because territory being destroyed by housing

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developments and such as this, and it's pushing them and

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where are they going to go? Vic? You know, especially

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ones that are in areas like this, where are they

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going to go? You know, if they they're burning bread

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in this small area and that shrinking people are not

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that the forest is shrinking, it's that people are compressing

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in around them on every side. That's a pressure cooker, Vic,

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That's plain and simple. That's a pressure cooker.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, they're putting up houses everywhere. Of course there is

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a huge housing shortage, so it's no wonder that that's happening.

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But yeah, you make some really good points. Where are

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they supposed to go?

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Speaker 2: There's nowhere for him to go, So they're going to

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fight any animal? Would you you take a grizzly beer

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and compact about him and watch what happens. You just

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start killing people right and left. If he's forced into

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you put him in a small area and people come

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in from all sides doing this doing that, you're gonna

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you're gonna have problems, You're gonna have run ins. These

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animals are no different except for probably they're a lot meaner.

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You know, science doesn't have all the answers to everything

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like they people claim. I think there's I think there's

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a a spirit, a spiritual essence to everything. You know,

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every human being is the spirit, and these things would

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be alive if they didn't have a spirit. And I

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think that, you know, we don't understand what living in

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their world is. We can only look at it through

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our eyeglasses, but how can we look at it through theirs?

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We can only assume, but we really don't know. But

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one thing I have learned as old as I am

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and dealing with people and things that I have is

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everybody's different and it's everybody's unique. But there's one solid

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factor in all of this when it comes to a spirit,

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and that is the love that the parent has for

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it's young. And in every I don't care what species

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it is, all the way up to man, they're going

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to defend them, especially when they're being pressure cookered, Like

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I think, what's happening here now? It may not be

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happening in other places like this. But my guess is

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I think, in my opinion that it's happening, but maybe

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not as rapid as it is as far as speed

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as it is here because of the size of the area.

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But with the things that are going on in the

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world VIC and the frequencies and the government and people's

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cruel hearts and the people, like I said, on the internet,

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and people going into these territories, and you know, everybody

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wants to be the super researcher. And that's why I

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strongly advised against it, because you know, we don't know

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when we walk into a public hunting area what we're

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walking into. VIC. We don't know, especially if we've never

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been there. We don't know what we're walking into, especially

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this place. If somebody never hunted there before and they

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walk in there and all of a sudden they come

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running out of there and not understanding what's going on, Well,

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it didn't happen over here, but what is that thing?

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What's going on? Or maybe they got killed, Maybe they

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killed a deer and it come out there to take

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it and they killed the man. You don't don't We

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don't know, But there's a thousand reasons why you know,

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things like this happen. But I do wholeheartedly believe it

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that across the board from things that I have seen.

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And you may, if you ever want to graft this

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out or or look at it like that and see

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if if the big if these dogmen are not getting

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more violent to some degree across the board, And I

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think you might find out that they are, even to

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a small degree because they have to, because people are

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entering their territory. We are going in their home to

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research them. And they're not going to sit down with

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you at a desk and let you ask them questions

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like we're doing today. It's not going to happen. They

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are going to react violently. So in other areas Vick,

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where these people have been invading the territories, and you know,

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the main your question is is you know what we

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were talking about, is whether or not these things are

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as bad in other places? Are they where they are here?

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And like I said, I believe across the board is

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somebody would really do a study on the sick and

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graph it out, I believe you're going to find a

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steady rise in aggression across the board. If somebody would

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sit down and put this stuff together. You're a good

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place to do it because I mean people come to

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you with this stuff and with their their with their experiences,

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and you know, you go through and figure out what is,

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what is right and what isn't. And I think, Vic,

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you would find that that is true. And this area

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may be just one of many. And honestly, I think

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you have something there about the area. I think it's

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because the area is so small, and I think that

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I think it's like throwing gas on the fire that's

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already burning when they're already agitated, because again we're in

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their living room and they stay back because we discussed it,

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We brought this. This was brought up on the first

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podcast or the first interview. If people would really sit down,

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Vic with with the facts. I mean, not this, not

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like you call it creepy pasta I like that, but

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people sit down with the facts in cases where you know,

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Vic in your heart, that they're telling you the truth.

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These things are going on, and even like just the

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United States grabbed it across the United States and areas.

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Sure there are areas where dog Man is more condensed

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than in other areas. So of course you're not going

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to have as much runnings with people. But the question

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is is in these public and these populated areas, they're

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in urban areas now people are seeing them. I saw

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that thing walking down the sidewalk in Jeffersonville, Indiana at

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night and between two apartment buildings, and anybody could have

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pulled in. I mean, the thing was just walking and

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basically like it owned the joint and it was I mean,

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that's just something you just don't see. And it tells

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me that, you know, if this thing wasn't a dog man,

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some people I've heard them say that the wherewith doesn't

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have a tail and a dog man does. I don't know.

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I don't know. I'm not an expert on the fact

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that whether it's a warewoof or not, I don't know.

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But I did see it and it was big and

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it was hairy, and I wasn't about to holler at it.

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But it was going through a populated area and it

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wasn't running. It was casually walking. And that's what I'm saying.

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They are mingling and coming. They're being forced into our

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living urban areas there. They have no choice just because

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of what I'm telling you is going on out there.

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I think One of the big facts is the fact

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that it's a smaller wooded area, and it could be

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that they're overpopulating the area. It could be fretted between

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the packs because it's such a small area and there's

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more and more. And I told you that reproducing fast

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could be another factor. So Vickags is probably a number

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of things thrown in the bucket. It's doing it. I

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think it. I think it's a lot of things that

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are just agitating it. And if they are using beta waves,

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like we've discussed before, that would definitely be a catalyst

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for disaster for a fact. But as far as other areas,

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I haven't been back out of East I have it

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needed to because this area here has piqued my interest,

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so I didn't really feel the need to go anywhere else.

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But maybe I should have to see if it's like

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this everywhere, or at least in other areas close to

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this area. But I don't know, Vic, I don't I

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don't have all the answers. You know. I'm not gonna

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lie to you and say I do. I can tell

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you what I know and speak of what I know

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you what I know, and tell you what I've seen

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that that's all I can do. I can speculate all

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day long. It doesn't make it the truth, but common

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sense throw it in there. I think, I think there's

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some very you brought up some good points, and I

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think that it's the population and the things with people

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and uh, I think that's probably one of the major causes.

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And I think population in such a smaller areas another.

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That's another part of it. Of course, we know there

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is full of all kinds of frequencies that could be

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a part of it. I don't people firing at him

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like that guy, did you know? I don't even know

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if the man's alive. But Vic, it's an interesting point.

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It's a very interesting point, is it like that? So

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that would be for somebody that's you know, knows what

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they're doing and to research around in these areas to

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find out if this is what's really going on across

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the board. But everybody's swearing up and down there being

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a tag a dog man VIC on all these platforms.

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People Oh yeah, And I don't doubt them. I mean

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a lot of them probably have. I don't doubt that

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at all, not the least, but what I've seen, I

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don't doubt them. I'm not saying that every incidents is true,

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but I believe that a lot of them probably are.

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That tells you there that they are violent, they are vicious,

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and they don't like people. And beck if it's if

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they're like that, if it's just from the normal uh motive,

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things are the normal range of the way that they

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behave across the board and you start seeing these spikes

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and smaller areas and they're reproducing Vick's common sense tell

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you it's going to go to the bigger areas. It's

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just like anything, it starts small and it grows, just

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like an idea, you know, it starts small, but it grows.

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It people like board with you know, making a call.

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It was an idea, but look how big it grew.

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And this is basically the same thing. These populations they're growing.

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They got to have somewhere to go, and there's going

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to be conflict with people who can be conflict with

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other packs, and nobody's going to stop it. There's nobody

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going to stop this. Vic ought seen so many little ones,

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it's not funny. So where are they going to go?

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I mean, they got to eat, They've got to uh,

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they've got to have areas that they claim is their territory,

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and it's going to cause conflicts with other packs and

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they're basically outgrowing themselves. It's everywhere. People are reporting these

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things more and more and more and more and more.

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And back in the seventies, you never heard of anything

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like this. Bigfoot was just starting out, but I never

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heard a dog man. I never heard a dog man

477
00:31:55,880 --> 00:32:02,480
until the two thousands, early two thousands and right around yeah,

478
00:32:02,599 --> 00:32:07,759
late nineties, early two thousands, and I was already researching

479
00:32:07,799 --> 00:32:11,079
Bigfoot at that point, and then I started hearing this,

480
00:32:11,440 --> 00:32:14,039
and then things started showing up in some of my photographs.

481
00:32:14,079 --> 00:32:18,680
And that's another point. I like to photograph tree lines,

482
00:32:19,799 --> 00:32:24,279
and they're everywhere that I mean, anybody can walk just

483
00:32:24,319 --> 00:32:26,960
about anywhere, and this is true. I could take a

484
00:32:27,000 --> 00:32:30,279
camera and go just about anywhere around here or anywhere,

485
00:32:30,400 --> 00:32:33,759
and I can photograph that tree line, just about any

486
00:32:33,759 --> 00:32:36,400
tree line, and I guarantee I'm going to sign if

487
00:32:36,400 --> 00:32:38,480
I blow that photo up, I'm going to see something.

488
00:32:40,480 --> 00:32:45,759
Guarantee it. They're everywhere, and they're growing and there's a

489
00:32:45,799 --> 00:32:48,119
reason why. There's got to be a reason for this.

490
00:32:49,400 --> 00:32:52,759
And I had a lady that came on or a

491
00:32:52,839 --> 00:32:59,319
lady that replied on the first interview, and a guy

492
00:32:59,359 --> 00:33:02,400
did too, and they made a comment to the end,

493
00:33:02,720 --> 00:33:05,759
to the end of the days, and they could be right.

494
00:33:07,440 --> 00:33:10,880
They could be right. This could be preparation for something

495
00:33:10,960 --> 00:33:15,839
much worse and vacaf it is, God help us all.

496
00:33:17,000 --> 00:33:20,440
But like I said, these are not animals that you

497
00:33:20,480 --> 00:33:23,920
put in the petting suit. They are vicious and they

498
00:33:23,920 --> 00:33:27,920
are cool, and they don't play games. I don't believe

499
00:33:27,920 --> 00:33:30,000
there's stuff people say, Oh yeah, it come over and

500
00:33:30,039 --> 00:33:32,440
it talked to me and it was telling me about this,

501
00:33:32,599 --> 00:33:34,160
and tell me about I don't believe in any of

502
00:33:34,200 --> 00:33:36,960
that stuff at all. I don't believe none of that,

503
00:33:37,359 --> 00:33:40,359
not a word of it. These are animals fact. And

504
00:33:40,720 --> 00:33:44,319
even if they could do that, and they in order

505
00:33:44,359 --> 00:33:48,880
to accumulate language like that, they would have to be

506
00:33:49,000 --> 00:33:52,519
awful close to people for a very long time to

507
00:33:52,680 --> 00:33:55,200
even understand. And they say the English language is were

508
00:33:55,200 --> 00:33:59,160
the hardest languages to learn. So if they are doing it,

509
00:33:59,680 --> 00:34:02,519
then it's coming from a spiritual thing. It's coming from

510
00:34:02,559 --> 00:34:06,720
a demonic thing. It would have to be. I don't

511
00:34:06,720 --> 00:34:08,639
want to take it in that direction, but you know

512
00:34:08,920 --> 00:34:12,800
that it is a possibility. So if you're gonna, if

513
00:34:12,800 --> 00:34:14,960
you're gonna, if we're going to look at this and

514
00:34:15,039 --> 00:34:17,519
try to understand, you've got to put the spiritual side

515
00:34:17,559 --> 00:34:19,880
in there with it. In order to come up with

516
00:34:19,960 --> 00:34:24,440
a true conclusion, to the closest that we are able

517
00:34:24,480 --> 00:34:27,239
to do, we have to look at every side of

518
00:34:27,239 --> 00:34:31,360
this and look a look at records going back. I mean,

519
00:34:31,559 --> 00:34:35,039
not this stuff that people are doing and going in

520
00:34:35,159 --> 00:34:37,800
line for money to get views. I'm not talking about

521
00:34:37,800 --> 00:34:40,199
that stuff. I'm talking about really, you know a lot

522
00:34:40,239 --> 00:34:43,039
of true I'm sure a lot of good researchers that

523
00:34:43,079 --> 00:34:45,159
are real and get their point of view on it

524
00:34:45,199 --> 00:34:48,400
and ask them, hey, if you guys notice any kind

525
00:34:48,440 --> 00:34:51,480
of more aggression in some of these areas like Daniel

526
00:34:51,480 --> 00:34:55,119
Boon Park, uh down there in the forest down here

527
00:34:55,119 --> 00:34:57,880
in Kentucky's it's supposed to be a pretty violent area,

528
00:34:58,400 --> 00:35:02,800
and have people down there noticed more dog man encounters?

529
00:35:03,719 --> 00:35:07,280
Being honest? Are people being honest about this? Are the

530
00:35:07,440 --> 00:35:09,840
encounters they have and are they really true? Or do

531
00:35:09,880 --> 00:35:11,440
they just want to get on a show and pull

532
00:35:11,519 --> 00:35:15,199
somebody's leg. You know, digging through all that stuff to

533
00:35:15,239 --> 00:35:18,800
try to find the truth is ridiculous, But we need

534
00:35:18,880 --> 00:35:24,119
honest people We need honest people that are intelligent and

535
00:35:24,559 --> 00:35:28,960
that can look at this subject with an honest heart

536
00:35:29,320 --> 00:35:32,920
and evaluate the facts and the true facts, not this

537
00:35:33,039 --> 00:35:37,559
other stuff efficiently. That stuff, it's just ridiculous. Like I said, Vic,

538
00:35:37,599 --> 00:35:40,480
there's not too many channels. That's why, again, why I

539
00:35:40,519 --> 00:35:44,280
came to you. I don't go for this stuff. You know,

540
00:35:45,000 --> 00:35:48,000
people will do anything for money, but it's a very

541
00:35:48,440 --> 00:35:51,880
this is not something that you do for money. This

542
00:35:51,960 --> 00:35:55,480
is a very serious subject and it can affect people's lives,

543
00:35:55,519 --> 00:35:58,039
it even cause them to be killed, and I think

544
00:35:58,079 --> 00:36:03,239
it deserves uh a very serious looks. That's now with

545
00:36:03,320 --> 00:36:07,000
the populations growing like they are, VIC, I mean, really,

546
00:36:07,039 --> 00:36:10,119
come on, this is this is a serious mess. This

547
00:36:10,159 --> 00:36:12,760
is not something that I think should be you know,

548
00:36:13,840 --> 00:36:16,480
it shouldn't be looked at lightly. And we're not getting

549
00:36:16,559 --> 00:36:19,199
help from the from the state or the government on

550
00:36:19,280 --> 00:36:22,800
this issue. You're not. They's going to keep covering everything up.

551
00:36:23,400 --> 00:36:24,880
You know, you're not going to get the truth unless

552
00:36:24,880 --> 00:36:27,679
you get somebody that's retarded from the Forestry Service that

553
00:36:28,000 --> 00:36:30,280
is honest. I don't believe a lot of the reports

554
00:36:30,280 --> 00:36:32,920
they give. I've read a VIC, I have been through

555
00:36:33,039 --> 00:36:36,239
thousands of reports and I read them, and I listen

556
00:36:36,280 --> 00:36:39,039
to them, and and I don't even believe a third

557
00:36:39,079 --> 00:36:43,039
of them. I really don't, because I catch them double

558
00:36:43,199 --> 00:36:48,320
back in saying things, and then they trap themselves and

559
00:36:49,440 --> 00:36:52,920
people people lie, and then when you come back and

560
00:36:53,079 --> 00:36:56,880
ask them the question again, they got a different answer,

561
00:36:58,119 --> 00:37:01,320
and or they say something and then they turn right

562
00:37:01,360 --> 00:37:04,920
around and contradict it. See that's a lie. That's how

563
00:37:05,079 --> 00:37:09,039
you know their line. And I know that just by discernment.

564
00:37:09,119 --> 00:37:12,760
I know that's something that people like you have to

565
00:37:12,800 --> 00:37:16,920
do to I would to make sure that the person

566
00:37:17,039 --> 00:37:20,639
is not pulling your leg, because this is a very

567
00:37:20,679 --> 00:37:25,159
serious subject, VIC and I can't. In my view, this

568
00:37:25,199 --> 00:37:31,880
is my opinion. I think it's very, very underestimated. I

569
00:37:31,920 --> 00:37:34,280
think we have missed the mark on it. I think

570
00:37:34,320 --> 00:37:36,400
we missed it by a big mark, a big margin.

571
00:37:37,320 --> 00:37:39,880
I don't think we even know what we're doing. Honestly,

572
00:37:39,960 --> 00:37:43,159
we don't. The government does, but we don't. They've captured

573
00:37:43,159 --> 00:37:45,920
these things, they weaponized them, they had them all the

574
00:37:45,920 --> 00:37:49,559
way back in Vietnam, and here we set you know,

575
00:37:49,639 --> 00:37:53,440
the eternity things loosing the forestry areas and people die,

576
00:37:54,480 --> 00:37:58,039
and then you got these the natural breed that's in

577
00:37:58,079 --> 00:37:59,760
there with these things, and you know you're going to

578
00:37:59,800 --> 00:38:01,880
have a problem. These things are going to fight and kill,

579
00:38:01,920 --> 00:38:07,920
and it just the blood just keeps being spilled. People

580
00:38:08,039 --> 00:38:09,960
are the ones that's hanging at the end of the road.

581
00:38:10,960 --> 00:38:12,760
We are the ones that are gonna pay for this stuff.

582
00:38:13,719 --> 00:38:16,159
And it's it's a very serious subject, my friend. And

583
00:38:17,599 --> 00:38:22,960
like I said, I'm I'm I'm retiring at this and

584
00:38:23,039 --> 00:38:28,400
I I just Victori, is just so much data to

585
00:38:28,519 --> 00:38:34,719
look at. But the problem is finding honest data, honest

586
00:38:35,039 --> 00:38:40,320
people that won't lie, that will knock this junke off man.

587
00:38:40,400 --> 00:38:44,119
These are killers. These animals are killers, you know, and

588
00:38:44,960 --> 00:38:48,679
just to do this for money, it just sorry, but

589
00:38:48,800 --> 00:38:53,079
it just bothers me very badly. It's just it's cold.

590
00:38:53,119 --> 00:38:58,599
It's all cold hearted. Get somebody killed. Come on. But look,

591
00:38:58,679 --> 00:39:00,800
everything I told you has been the truth. I put

592
00:39:00,840 --> 00:39:03,400
my life on it. Everything I've told you, These things

593
00:39:03,400 --> 00:39:07,960
that I've experienced have happened. And I wouldn't lie to

594
00:39:08,039 --> 00:39:11,880
somebody for nothing and gets what I believe anyway, But Vic,

595
00:39:13,079 --> 00:39:18,000
somebody's going to have to take this subject serious. Somebody.

596
00:39:18,159 --> 00:39:21,039
I have never found a researcher, not that I've really

597
00:39:22,039 --> 00:39:25,920
scanned the horizon looking for them. But I would like

598
00:39:26,039 --> 00:39:29,639
to have found a researcher, and I think you understand

599
00:39:29,639 --> 00:39:33,280
where I'm going with this, and a researcher that would really,

600
00:39:34,480 --> 00:39:40,559
really a fearless man that doesn't take chances, that knows

601
00:39:40,599 --> 00:39:43,800
what he's doing, that's had years of experience with these things,

602
00:39:44,199 --> 00:39:48,119
that's been from one place to another, different areas, different states,

603
00:39:48,159 --> 00:39:52,760
somebody that really understands the animal to really sit down

604
00:39:53,159 --> 00:39:56,480
and take this thing across the board and find out

605
00:39:56,679 --> 00:39:59,880
what in the world is going on. Check with government

606
00:40:00,119 --> 00:40:03,920
you see, find out if they're using frequencies in these areas.

607
00:40:05,159 --> 00:40:10,440
This area here, vic I believe deserves some very serious research.

608
00:40:11,039 --> 00:40:14,559
Somebody that's got connections that might be able to find

609
00:40:14,599 --> 00:40:18,840
out more about what the government might be doing if

610
00:40:18,880 --> 00:40:23,079
that's a factor, or like I said, is there if

611
00:40:23,079 --> 00:40:25,159
you could get a hold of what you would and

612
00:40:25,239 --> 00:40:27,719
died out very seriously that anybody's going to turn it

613
00:40:27,760 --> 00:40:30,880
over paperwork on people that's been ripped apart. I don't

614
00:40:30,880 --> 00:40:33,199
think you're going to find that, but you might find

615
00:40:33,280 --> 00:40:36,079
somebody that used to work for them that might be

616
00:40:36,119 --> 00:40:41,480
able to give a little bit of insight on a

617
00:40:41,519 --> 00:40:45,039
possibility of how many numbers of people have lost their

618
00:40:45,039 --> 00:40:49,800
lives in this particular area, and that in itself would

619
00:40:49,800 --> 00:40:53,400
give a very good clue of what's going on in

620
00:40:53,440 --> 00:40:57,280
some of the other areas. You'd be able to measure,

621
00:40:58,480 --> 00:41:03,679
probably predict the percentage of people that would be killed

622
00:41:04,360 --> 00:41:06,480
if there's so many people being killed in this area

623
00:41:06,639 --> 00:41:10,800
and you've got a population of so many and there's

624
00:41:10,840 --> 00:41:14,039
this many people visit this park or whatever every year,

625
00:41:15,039 --> 00:41:18,599
and lay out the facts and then get a good

626
00:41:18,639 --> 00:41:22,239
understanding of what's really going on, because you know, this

627
00:41:22,239 --> 00:41:24,840
this thing is growing and it's growing fast, and we

628
00:41:25,360 --> 00:41:29,360
honestly don't know anything, Vic, I'm being honest. From whatever,

629
00:41:29,599 --> 00:41:32,840
We don't really know much. Basically, we don't. All we're

630
00:41:32,880 --> 00:41:34,960
talking about is a lot of people of the fear

631
00:41:35,000 --> 00:41:38,079
and fear you know, they wanted everybody wants to hype.

632
00:41:38,800 --> 00:41:41,719
You know, the thing about hype just about life and death,

633
00:41:42,440 --> 00:41:44,239
and I think somebody needs to take the subject a

634
00:41:44,239 --> 00:41:48,239
little bit more serious. This is why I said what

635
00:41:48,360 --> 00:41:52,440
I said in the episode we just did, Vic. It

636
00:41:52,639 --> 00:41:56,639
needed to be said because we're getting so far away

637
00:41:56,679 --> 00:42:01,440
from the truth of what's really going on to we

638
00:42:01,519 --> 00:42:04,599
don't even know what is truth and what isn't and

639
00:42:04,599 --> 00:42:07,760
it's going to cause people their lives. It's not something

640
00:42:07,840 --> 00:42:11,599
people need to monkey around with. We're dealing with creatures

641
00:42:12,280 --> 00:42:15,079
that have a strength and an agility far beyond a

642
00:42:15,159 --> 00:42:18,079
human being. We don't stand a chance, even with guns.

643
00:42:18,079 --> 00:42:20,239
Half the time, you don't stand a chance with them,

644
00:42:20,519 --> 00:42:23,079
and they'll get you. Vic. There's more. You know, there

645
00:42:23,079 --> 00:42:27,880
are families and it's people think, yeah, I want to

646
00:42:27,920 --> 00:42:29,880
go out and catch one of these pups. That would

647
00:42:29,920 --> 00:42:34,000
be the biggest mistake of somebody's life. But you take somebody,

648
00:42:34,079 --> 00:42:37,760
some kid that's maybe a partier, and say, hey, man,

649
00:42:37,800 --> 00:42:39,239
it's going I'm going here in the woods. You know,

650
00:42:39,760 --> 00:42:42,239
I think I know of that area where Marshall's talking about.

651
00:42:42,519 --> 00:42:44,039
I think I know pretty much. Well, see if we

652
00:42:44,079 --> 00:42:45,639
can go out there, man, I think the guy's full

653
00:42:45,639 --> 00:42:47,000
of you on We'll see we go out there and

654
00:42:47,039 --> 00:42:51,000
catch up up. You know, that would be a very serious.

655
00:42:50,719 --> 00:42:55,440
Speaker 1: Mistake, Marshall. Not to interrupt you, but there's a very

656
00:42:55,599 --> 00:42:58,159
important statement I want to put out there that touches

657
00:42:58,199 --> 00:43:01,639
on what you just said. I can see it coming.

658
00:43:02,000 --> 00:43:04,119
I can see it coming as sure as the sun

659
00:43:04,199 --> 00:43:07,840
coming up tomorrow morning. It's pretty obvious why you haven't

660
00:43:07,880 --> 00:43:10,679
done it, but I'm pretty sure a ton of listeners

661
00:43:10,679 --> 00:43:12,679
are going to be asking me, well, why don't you

662
00:43:12,760 --> 00:43:15,760
reveal where this area is, that all this stuff happened

663
00:43:15,760 --> 00:43:19,400
that Marshall's talking about. Please spell it out for him.

664
00:43:20,320 --> 00:43:25,119
Speaker 2: Well, for one, I don't want anybody else killed. And

665
00:43:25,159 --> 00:43:28,920
that's the main thing that I do not want anybody

666
00:43:28,960 --> 00:43:33,559
else killed. And that's probably what's going to happen if

667
00:43:34,239 --> 00:43:38,599
I reveal the area. It's going to be a bunch

668
00:43:38,599 --> 00:43:41,159
of amateurs are going to run out there. It's just

669
00:43:41,760 --> 00:43:44,679
human nature. We'll find out. Don't think that guy's telling

670
00:43:44,719 --> 00:43:46,320
the truth. Let's go out there and see what. Let's

671
00:43:46,360 --> 00:43:48,519
get a little at you know, get some beer and

672
00:43:48,519 --> 00:43:50,239
go out there and spend the night. That would be

673
00:43:50,239 --> 00:43:54,440
a fatal mistake. They would be a bad mistake. And

674
00:43:55,119 --> 00:43:59,119
this is my main reason why this is not a joke,

675
00:43:59,880 --> 00:44:05,519
is not a lie. I'm putting the warning out because

676
00:44:06,920 --> 00:44:10,719
I am pro life. I like to see our youth

677
00:44:10,800 --> 00:44:14,400
grow up. I don't want to see a bunch of

678
00:44:14,480 --> 00:44:21,119
kids murdered and slaughtered because I made a stupid mistake

679
00:44:22,440 --> 00:44:27,239
and wasn't thinking. Because I told you and I just

680
00:44:27,280 --> 00:44:31,960
brought it up before this is this area. It's for

681
00:44:32,079 --> 00:44:39,719
a very very experienced, well thought out individual who knows

682
00:44:39,760 --> 00:44:43,400
these animals, has known them, understands them to the as

683
00:44:43,400 --> 00:44:47,800
far as they can, and somebody that don't take stupid chances.

684
00:44:49,400 --> 00:44:52,719
And Vic, I would never I'm not going to tell

685
00:44:52,719 --> 00:44:57,960
people where it's at. I just can't do that. It's suicide.

686
00:44:58,880 --> 00:45:01,159
You know. It's like people think it's a it's a

687
00:45:01,320 --> 00:45:04,480
it's a theme park, you know, and people get the

688
00:45:04,480 --> 00:45:07,400
wrong idea. And like I said in the episode, when

689
00:45:07,400 --> 00:45:10,199
you interview me, you know, god, dare you you know?

690
00:45:10,760 --> 00:45:14,039
This is not something somebody wants to do here. And

691
00:45:14,119 --> 00:45:16,719
I just I fear for people, Vic, I really do.

692
00:45:17,559 --> 00:45:19,719
And that's my reason why for not ever revealing it,

693
00:45:19,760 --> 00:45:23,679
because it needs to be As I said before, it

694
00:45:23,679 --> 00:45:26,119
needs to be researched by somebody that really knows what

695
00:45:26,159 --> 00:45:28,960
they're doing. This is no this is not a playground.

696
00:45:29,039 --> 00:45:31,920
This is not for amateur researchers. This is not for

697
00:45:31,960 --> 00:45:34,480
this kind of a person. This is for a mature

698
00:45:35,400 --> 00:45:40,840
researcher that knows his boundaries, knows what to do, understands

699
00:45:40,840 --> 00:45:44,559
the animals like that, Vic, That's what it's going to take,

700
00:45:45,400 --> 00:45:49,239
or somebody's gonna end up dead. And I love people,

701
00:45:49,360 --> 00:45:52,159
like I said, and I have to sleep at night.

702
00:45:52,519 --> 00:45:54,719
And if I were to reveal this, you know as

703
00:45:54,760 --> 00:45:57,480
well as I do, that place would be full of people.

704
00:45:58,159 --> 00:46:00,159
You would have research with women out of state. I

705
00:46:00,159 --> 00:46:04,199
bet to come there. Oh yeah, this is not for amateurs,

706
00:46:04,639 --> 00:46:07,079
believe me. You look, I've been going to thirty years

707
00:46:07,079 --> 00:46:09,519
and I don't want to go back. I don't want

708
00:46:09,519 --> 00:46:13,760
to go back. They surrounded me the last time, and

709
00:46:13,880 --> 00:46:19,599
I understood that was an invitation to leave and for

710
00:46:19,679 --> 00:46:22,480
them to do that to me, you know, and I

711
00:46:23,039 --> 00:46:25,760
understood it very clear. And I saw him with my

712
00:46:25,800 --> 00:46:27,639
I saw the one walk and I saw his legs.

713
00:46:27,960 --> 00:46:29,480
Like I said, I couldn't see his upper body, but

714
00:46:29,519 --> 00:46:32,320
I saw his legs and he was in that part

715
00:46:32,320 --> 00:46:36,159
from me. The brush had his upper body. But I

716
00:46:36,519 --> 00:46:41,119
took pictures of two of them. And I know I

717
00:46:41,239 --> 00:46:44,079
repeat myself a lot, but I got to drill this

718
00:46:44,159 --> 00:46:48,840
into people's heads. This is not This is not hunting

719
00:46:48,840 --> 00:46:53,280
a rabbit. This is not hunting a deer. This is

720
00:46:53,320 --> 00:46:55,960
something that will kill you and it ain't and it

721
00:46:56,079 --> 00:46:59,639
don't bother it to do it either, And it's it's

722
00:46:59,679 --> 00:47:02,760
it's normal way of life. Killing you or me would

723
00:47:02,800 --> 00:47:06,280
be they lose an Elsie sleep or killing your kid

724
00:47:06,800 --> 00:47:12,360
or your wife, you know. And I, honestly, Vic, with

725
00:47:12,559 --> 00:47:17,920
all my heart, believe that I think that these forest strangers,

726
00:47:18,519 --> 00:47:23,000
these parks, I think they are cold hearted human beings

727
00:47:23,559 --> 00:47:29,199
knowing and willingly letting people go out there for monetary

728
00:47:29,280 --> 00:47:33,639
reasons and them knowing what's out there and people being

729
00:47:33,719 --> 00:47:36,360
killed out there before and shut up because well we

730
00:47:36,360 --> 00:47:39,719
don't want to lose any money. Shame on them, Vic,

731
00:47:40,000 --> 00:47:42,199
Shame on them, you know what. But there's one thing

732
00:47:42,239 --> 00:47:45,679
about me. I've been in a military. I'm an ex fighter.

733
00:47:46,280 --> 00:47:49,599
I'm not afraid of things, and I'm not afraid to

734
00:47:49,639 --> 00:47:53,679
tell the truth. I'm not afraid the truth. I believe

735
00:47:54,000 --> 00:47:57,440
if more people would quit lying and start telling the truth,

736
00:47:58,320 --> 00:47:59,920
we might get a lot further down the road than

737
00:48:00,119 --> 00:48:03,119
what we are. And that's a strong statement. And please

738
00:48:03,119 --> 00:48:07,519
forgive me anybody. I'm not point fingers at anybody in particular.

739
00:48:07,960 --> 00:48:10,239
I'm just talking across the board. If you're doing it,

740
00:48:10,320 --> 00:48:13,440
you ought to stop it because it could end up

741
00:48:13,760 --> 00:48:17,280
hurting somebody or killing somebody. These animals need to be

742
00:48:17,320 --> 00:48:21,480
taken more serious. And if anybody ever went to this area.

743
00:48:21,480 --> 00:48:25,360
They would understand exactly what I mean. They would not

744
00:48:25,480 --> 00:48:31,679
go back if they lived. So you know, why are

745
00:48:31,719 --> 00:48:34,280
people not going there? See? People used to go up

746
00:48:34,320 --> 00:48:36,599
there and walk their dogs and nobody there. But the

747
00:48:36,599 --> 00:48:40,239
place is grown up. Why and then all of a

748
00:48:40,280 --> 00:48:45,519
sudden it's aggression. See I believe nature. I believe people

749
00:48:45,599 --> 00:48:49,400
aren't listening to their instincts to some degree. Get a

750
00:48:49,440 --> 00:48:51,360
bad feeling. I don't think I want to go out

751
00:48:51,400 --> 00:48:54,519
there anymore. My dog was, you know, was on edge,

752
00:48:54,840 --> 00:48:57,800
you know, and stuff like this, and hear things in

753
00:48:57,800 --> 00:49:00,000
the woods. Like I said, I saw a baby big

754
00:49:00,079 --> 00:49:03,639
foot and it looked like a small chip fanzy running

755
00:49:03,679 --> 00:49:05,599
all fours, run about ten feet, run right back in

756
00:49:05,599 --> 00:49:11,079
the woods. You know, that's when things were good. Normally

757
00:49:11,119 --> 00:49:13,400
you got that close, you might not, you know, come

758
00:49:13,400 --> 00:49:15,280
out of it with your head on your body. But

759
00:49:15,639 --> 00:49:18,760
they never bothered me. And I never did stupid things

760
00:49:18,800 --> 00:49:21,960
like the rocks at him or shoot at him. You know,

761
00:49:22,320 --> 00:49:24,840
I've always spoke kindly to him when I knew they

762
00:49:24,840 --> 00:49:29,639
were there, a soft toned voice, always friendly, always kind.

763
00:49:30,239 --> 00:49:36,000
Like my first interview, I talked about the demeanor of

764
00:49:36,079 --> 00:49:39,599
people and how we approach it, you know, if you

765
00:49:39,800 --> 00:49:43,480
are a kind hearted, loving person, a very good chance

766
00:49:43,639 --> 00:49:45,239
you could stand a better chance of coming out of

767
00:49:45,239 --> 00:49:49,519
this place alive than somebody that's arrogant and stupid, because

768
00:49:50,280 --> 00:49:54,119
you just this is a very serious VIC. I pray

769
00:49:54,199 --> 00:49:57,000
that God gets this into the hearts of people. This

770
00:49:57,079 --> 00:50:02,079
is not a lie or a joke. I've heard some

771
00:50:02,199 --> 00:50:05,400
of your interviews and I could tell when somebody's telling

772
00:50:05,519 --> 00:50:07,679
the truth and when they're not. And some of those

773
00:50:07,679 --> 00:50:09,880
people that have been women that have been terrorized, my

774
00:50:09,920 --> 00:50:13,320
heart goes out to them. VIC. It really does. These

775
00:50:13,320 --> 00:50:16,440
people that you know, they can't sleep at night anymore.

776
00:50:16,559 --> 00:50:18,280
They wake up in the middle of the night with

777
00:50:18,360 --> 00:50:21,360
the cold sweats, wondering if there are things, you know,

778
00:50:22,079 --> 00:50:27,239
looking in their windows and stuff like this. It's a nightmare.

779
00:50:27,320 --> 00:50:31,239
It's a living nightmare. This is a very serious thing,

780
00:50:31,280 --> 00:50:35,000
and I just pray that people will listen to my

781
00:50:35,119 --> 00:50:41,800
final warning. Please please use caution going into the woods.

782
00:50:42,360 --> 00:50:45,519
Watch your back. That's one thing I learned as a

783
00:50:45,519 --> 00:50:48,599
street fighter, you know, in Chicago when I was young,

784
00:50:49,320 --> 00:50:51,440
and that's what thing you do. It's a street foot

785
00:50:51,480 --> 00:50:54,199
you watch your back. And when I go to the woods,

786
00:50:54,199 --> 00:51:00,440
I've never lost that thing. That instinct of all turned

787
00:51:00,480 --> 00:51:03,559
around and look, and I found out with dog Man

788
00:51:03,599 --> 00:51:07,599
that pays off and Bigfoot marry me in the first

789
00:51:07,599 --> 00:51:10,199
interview that one, whatever it was, was sticking up behind

790
00:51:10,239 --> 00:51:11,679
me and I knew it was going to break my neck.

791
00:51:11,800 --> 00:51:16,239
That was out east. So I always watch my back,

792
00:51:16,519 --> 00:51:18,880
and it's a smart thing to do. People, if you're

793
00:51:18,920 --> 00:51:24,000
out in the woods, turn around once a every few

794
00:51:24,000 --> 00:51:28,480
minutes or whatever, and look and look. If you hear

795
00:51:28,519 --> 00:51:34,159
anything sticks breaking, better heavy leave because you can tell

796
00:51:34,199 --> 00:51:37,360
if it's a deer or something small. But when you

797
00:51:37,400 --> 00:51:40,239
hear a stick of any size, break leave right then

798
00:51:40,480 --> 00:51:43,599
leave right there. You're being tracked. You're being tracked for

799
00:51:43,719 --> 00:51:47,000
a fact. So whether it lets you live or not,

800
00:51:47,880 --> 00:51:54,119
that's update. But please, vic, I just pray that my

801
00:51:54,320 --> 00:51:57,039
humble warning goes out across the board. I don't to

802
00:51:57,039 --> 00:51:59,480
go into it, you know, the whole thing yesterday. But

803
00:52:00,079 --> 00:52:02,960
you know, we were talking about questions and answers on

804
00:52:03,000 --> 00:52:08,480
this subject. But if somebody were to ask me, what

805
00:52:09,119 --> 00:52:14,280
area would you recommend to go in in the area

806
00:52:14,280 --> 00:52:18,760
where you live, and my answer would be none. My

807
00:52:18,800 --> 00:52:25,079
answer would be none because I don't research any other area.

808
00:52:25,360 --> 00:52:29,079
But I have stopped and I've done magnet fishing with

809
00:52:29,159 --> 00:52:32,280
my grandkids and creeks and stuff like that, and that

810
00:52:32,519 --> 00:52:36,800
feeling come over me. And they're just everywhere, Vic. They

811
00:52:36,800 --> 00:52:41,239
follow creeks, they hunt, they stay out of sight, they

812
00:52:41,239 --> 00:52:47,079
climb trees. They're very good about concealing themselves. I have

813
00:52:47,280 --> 00:52:49,960
seen something that I don't know if I mentioned just

814
00:52:50,039 --> 00:52:52,239
come back to mind. I should have brought it up

815
00:52:52,239 --> 00:52:55,280
on the interview. I did see one on the way

816
00:52:55,320 --> 00:52:57,440
out what I called Ambush Alley. I was coming out

817
00:52:57,480 --> 00:53:00,800
of there and it was almost dark and I saw

818
00:53:00,880 --> 00:53:03,119
one and I photographed it. I don't know if I

819
00:53:03,239 --> 00:53:05,079
kept the photo or not. I have so many of

820
00:53:05,159 --> 00:53:09,119
my deleted tonsum. But it was showing its teeth thick

821
00:53:09,239 --> 00:53:10,960
stand out behind a tree, and I could counter your

822
00:53:10,960 --> 00:53:15,800
tooth in the thing's head. And that's something I had forgotten.

823
00:53:16,840 --> 00:53:22,400
And that's that's something I've never seen before, Vick. And

824
00:53:22,440 --> 00:53:27,239
now it's showing your teeth at me. And I didn't

825
00:53:27,239 --> 00:53:29,400
even know it was there. I just took photos as

826
00:53:29,440 --> 00:53:32,559
I was leaving in the dark woods as I was leaving,

827
00:53:32,679 --> 00:53:35,360
and that stood out. The teeth were white, it stood

828
00:53:35,360 --> 00:53:39,440
out like I don't know what it's.

829
00:53:42,000 --> 00:53:42,199
Speaker 1: Vick.

830
00:53:42,280 --> 00:53:45,239
Speaker 2: What do you say, I mean, what could I say

831
00:53:45,400 --> 00:53:50,000
more than what I have? How do you convince people that, hey,

832
00:53:50,360 --> 00:53:52,400
you know, this guy's you know, I don't want to

833
00:53:52,440 --> 00:53:53,920
think of me as an old salt he or some

834
00:53:54,000 --> 00:53:57,079
old bogy that thinks he knows something. I don't know anything.

835
00:53:57,280 --> 00:54:00,639
I don't going to know anything. You know, I would

836
00:54:00,639 --> 00:54:02,599
tell you the truth of what I've seen and what

837
00:54:02,679 --> 00:54:07,599
I've heard. Anything else would be a lie. And I

838
00:54:07,800 --> 00:54:11,679
just pray that anybody that watches this or hears this,

839
00:54:12,840 --> 00:54:18,119
please be very careful. And if these are woods that

840
00:54:18,159 --> 00:54:21,719
you're going in that you've never been in before, please

841
00:54:21,840 --> 00:54:25,360
pack and please go in a large group of people,

842
00:54:26,039 --> 00:54:30,320
because you don't know what is waiting for you in there,

843
00:54:31,000 --> 00:54:35,119
or what could be waiting for you. And I think

844
00:54:35,119 --> 00:54:37,519
it's getting worse and worse, and you know it, people

845
00:54:37,840 --> 00:54:43,800
are dying. It's just something that just it's heart reaching,

846
00:54:43,840 --> 00:54:47,679
and you know, you know, after thirty years, I've had enough.

847
00:54:48,679 --> 00:54:52,960
But this is a good way to leave the research

848
00:54:54,360 --> 00:54:59,760
to younger and smarter people. Our younger generations smarter than

849
00:54:59,840 --> 00:55:04,719
us older guys, and a smarter generation that listens to

850
00:55:04,760 --> 00:55:07,320
the wisdom of us older men that have been in

851
00:55:07,360 --> 00:55:09,840
the battle for a while. And if they can take

852
00:55:09,880 --> 00:55:13,679
that information and apply it to their knowledge and use it,

853
00:55:14,719 --> 00:55:18,159
that's the makings of the good researcher. Somebody that will

854
00:55:18,199 --> 00:55:23,880
listen and apply what they hear and put it into

855
00:55:23,960 --> 00:55:27,840
a program for their self and how to approach this

856
00:55:28,000 --> 00:55:31,400
subject and how to approach these animals. And I think

857
00:55:31,480 --> 00:55:35,039
they would do well. But remember, caution is always the

858
00:55:35,159 --> 00:55:39,639
number one in the instincts. I cannot over emphasize the instincts. Thick,

859
00:55:40,679 --> 00:55:44,360
Please listen to your God given instincts, because these things

860
00:55:44,360 --> 00:55:48,639
are running on them and their interstincts are to kill yours.

861
00:55:49,119 --> 00:55:52,719
You become the prey. Even though we are we are

862
00:55:52,760 --> 00:55:56,760
apex predators, but not in the woods. Not the woods

863
00:55:56,840 --> 00:56:02,719
or not. They they got the top notch. We are smart,

864
00:56:02,760 --> 00:56:06,880
but they're not stupid either, And so I just I

865
00:56:06,920 --> 00:56:10,920
would just like to say that, you know, I enjoyed

866
00:56:12,320 --> 00:56:16,960
sharing this, this whatever little bit of knowledge that I

867
00:56:17,119 --> 00:56:19,960
humbly and I want people to understand that I'm not

868
00:56:20,039 --> 00:56:22,119
to know it all and I don't want to be

869
00:56:22,199 --> 00:56:25,280
thought of as that, but I'd like to be thought

870
00:56:25,320 --> 00:56:30,480
of as somebody that leaves the field with a stern,

871
00:56:31,159 --> 00:56:37,079
loving warning that things are changing. Climates are changing, people

872
00:56:37,159 --> 00:56:41,559
are changing, animals are changing. Look look at the look

873
00:56:41,559 --> 00:56:43,760
at the birds. Don't even know what direction to go

874
00:56:43,840 --> 00:56:49,800
in migration. Something is happening. It's it's everywhere. It's everywhere.

875
00:56:50,440 --> 00:56:52,880
I mean it's not a big foot or dog man.

876
00:56:53,599 --> 00:56:57,480
I mean, you know, whales are you know, beaching themselves

877
00:56:57,480 --> 00:57:02,880
and birds are going in the direction during migrations. Something's happening.

878
00:57:03,440 --> 00:57:06,159
And this could be the cause of this. It could

879
00:57:06,199 --> 00:57:09,840
be because the Earth is doing something. There's there's a

880
00:57:09,920 --> 00:57:13,119
million reasons why this could be happening. But the thing

881
00:57:13,119 --> 00:57:15,639
about it is, and this is I'd like to leave

882
00:57:15,639 --> 00:57:21,440
it with this. Don't become a casualty. Don't become that.

883
00:57:22,599 --> 00:57:28,800
Use wisdom, be careful. And I still think Vic's the best,

884
00:57:28,920 --> 00:57:33,039
just shows the best. And I always recommend you, Vic, always.

885
00:57:33,760 --> 00:57:38,760
And I hope that what I've said here would be

886
00:57:38,800 --> 00:57:42,719
a blessing to the people in some little way. I hope.

887
00:57:43,280 --> 00:57:47,400
But Vic, that's all I know. That's all I know.

888
00:57:47,440 --> 00:57:49,360
If I'm not going to see here and make up something,

889
00:57:50,199 --> 00:57:53,960
you know, that's all I got. And uh, if if

890
00:57:54,000 --> 00:57:57,039
you have any question, any more questions, Vica, whatever you

891
00:57:57,079 --> 00:57:57,639
want to do.

892
00:57:58,519 --> 00:58:01,320
Speaker 1: Oh, I've got tons and tons of questions for you,

893
00:58:02,199 --> 00:58:05,320
a laundry list of questions, But I want to put

894
00:58:05,360 --> 00:58:08,920
something out there though. Dog Men unfortunately, are never going

895
00:58:08,960 --> 00:58:12,880
to be taken seriously until their existence is officially acknowledged

896
00:58:12,920 --> 00:58:16,119
by the government, and yeah, good luck with that happening.

897
00:58:16,199 --> 00:58:18,400
So in my opinion, they never are going to be

898
00:58:18,440 --> 00:58:22,800
taken seriously. And also point number two, I can totally

899
00:58:22,960 --> 00:58:25,320
understand why you feel that there's been a change in

900
00:58:25,360 --> 00:58:28,400
their demeanor in that area. Sounds like you feel that

901
00:58:28,440 --> 00:58:31,400
way for good reason. But I don't agree with you

902
00:58:31,639 --> 00:58:34,400
when you say that you think that all over there's

903
00:58:34,480 --> 00:58:37,400
been a change in their demeanor, because, like I said earlier,

904
00:58:37,639 --> 00:58:40,039
if that was the case, I'd be the first one

905
00:58:40,079 --> 00:58:43,000
to know it. It's not a brag. I do speak

906
00:58:43,000 --> 00:58:47,400
with more dogmen eyewitnesses than anyone around. And if there

907
00:58:47,519 --> 00:58:50,480
was a change, i'd notice an increase. And the report's

908
00:58:50,559 --> 00:58:54,199
coming in and I haven't noticed any increase whatsoever. Everything

909
00:58:54,280 --> 00:58:58,320
is just business as usual. The same number of reports

910
00:58:58,400 --> 00:59:01,519
come in, and when the report do come in, there

911
00:59:01,599 --> 00:59:05,960
is no heightening of aggressive accounts or anything like that.

912
00:59:06,360 --> 00:59:08,440
I think what you're hearing when you listen to all

913
00:59:08,440 --> 00:59:11,400
these shows putting out every week, week in, week out,

914
00:59:11,480 --> 00:59:16,159
it's a new eyewitness reporting an attack or reporting watching

915
00:59:16,199 --> 00:59:19,880
someone be killed by a dog man. That's just creepy pasta.

916
00:59:20,679 --> 00:59:23,960
I mean, the last time I received a report from

917
00:59:24,000 --> 00:59:28,960
anyone who who actually was attacked and killed was that

918
00:59:29,039 --> 00:59:31,440
show that I guess it was about a month and

919
00:59:31,480 --> 00:59:34,800
a half ago that aired, or that eyewitness talked about

920
00:59:34,880 --> 00:59:37,000
when she was a kid, she went to that one

921
00:59:37,039 --> 00:59:40,639
park in Colorado and a friend of hers was killed

922
00:59:40,679 --> 00:59:43,199
in that park by a dog man. But yeah, I mean,

923
00:59:43,239 --> 00:59:45,960
you want to talk about once in a true blue moon,

924
00:59:46,119 --> 00:59:50,440
do I ever get a report like that. There is

925
00:59:50,559 --> 00:59:54,199
no regularity whatsoever for reports coming in like that, So

926
00:59:54,320 --> 00:59:59,039
that right there, that's why I've got the mindset that, yeah, dogmen,

927
00:59:59,239 --> 01:00:02,760
I'm sure they definitely do kill people. And it sounds

928
01:00:02,800 --> 01:00:05,840
like from what you've said about that park that area, Yeah,

929
01:00:06,000 --> 01:00:09,119
sounds like now that they act the way they do there,

930
01:00:09,559 --> 01:00:11,800
there's a heightened chance that if you go there that

931
01:00:11,880 --> 01:00:15,960
could happen. But all over all over the place wherever

932
01:00:16,000 --> 01:00:19,159
you might bump into a dog man, I definitely I

933
01:00:19,199 --> 01:00:22,199
don't think that's the case for the aforementioned reasons, and

934
01:00:22,239 --> 01:00:25,639
also too, you're talking to a guy, and I'm talked

935
01:00:25,679 --> 01:00:27,960
about because of this. I know what's said about me

936
01:00:28,079 --> 01:00:31,400
because I do this, but I mean all the time,

937
01:00:31,559 --> 01:00:34,079
pretty much every day I'm in the woods, I like

938
01:00:34,159 --> 01:00:37,199
to walk around and the big woods here, I've literally

939
01:00:37,239 --> 01:00:40,599
walked hundreds and hundreds of miles through it. And you

940
01:00:40,639 --> 01:00:43,880
want to talk about the perfect place, the perfect hangout

941
01:00:43,920 --> 01:00:47,079
for dog men, not just a dog men because of

942
01:00:47,119 --> 01:00:50,119
the size of the place, dog men could hang out

943
01:00:50,159 --> 01:00:53,440
in this place and they'd have all the resources they

944
01:00:53,480 --> 01:00:58,119
could possibly want, from moving water, to food to other resources.

945
01:00:58,159 --> 01:01:01,239
But I don't have any trouble. I don't take anyone

946
01:01:01,239 --> 01:01:03,320
else with me. I don't take a weapon most of

947
01:01:03,360 --> 01:01:06,639
the time. And like I said, I've walked literally hundreds

948
01:01:06,639 --> 01:01:10,400
of miles. But because you've had those experiences in that

949
01:01:10,440 --> 01:01:13,840
particular park, like I said, I'm not discounting what you're

950
01:01:13,840 --> 01:01:17,400
saying whatsoever. I'm just saying that it's my opinion that

951
01:01:17,480 --> 01:01:21,159
it's that one area that deserves that reputation. Instead of

952
01:01:21,280 --> 01:01:25,280
just casting a broad net and saying that all the

953
01:01:25,320 --> 01:01:28,719
places where dogmen are are changing that way, I just

954
01:01:28,760 --> 01:01:29,920
wanted to put that.

955
01:01:29,920 --> 01:01:33,119
Speaker 2: Out there for you, right. I believe there, I still

956
01:01:33,119 --> 01:01:36,199
believe that because and the reason that I do is

957
01:01:36,239 --> 01:01:38,880
because of the times in the that we're living in,

958
01:01:39,039 --> 01:01:42,480
and you're going to have run ins with this because

959
01:01:42,519 --> 01:01:45,960
the people are populations of people are increasing, populations of

960
01:01:46,079 --> 01:01:49,800
dog men are increasing, and this is a setup for

961
01:01:49,920 --> 01:01:52,480
something coming down the road. And like I said before,

962
01:01:52,880 --> 01:01:54,960
who knows how bad this is going to get five

963
01:01:55,039 --> 01:01:57,679
or ten years from now, But I believe that it's

964
01:01:57,679 --> 01:02:00,639
a pressure cooker. Like I said, I still I disagree

965
01:02:00,679 --> 01:02:03,159
with you on that one because I do believe that

966
01:02:03,239 --> 01:02:08,480
they are doing that because you're constantly getting reports all

967
01:02:08,559 --> 01:02:11,800
the time on well somebody had a running with this

968
01:02:11,880 --> 01:02:15,920
dog man, and they're getting more and more and it's

969
01:02:16,000 --> 01:02:19,599
not just your platform, it's everywhere. Well, of course, not

970
01:02:19,639 --> 01:02:23,880
all of it's true, we know that, but I believe

971
01:02:24,280 --> 01:02:27,920
because of what I've seen. No, it's may not be

972
01:02:28,039 --> 01:02:31,119
as bad in other areas as it is in this

973
01:02:31,199 --> 01:02:35,880
particular one, but vig with populations of humans and populations

974
01:02:35,880 --> 01:02:40,280
of dog man, these two don't mix, and they're continually growing.

975
01:02:40,840 --> 01:02:43,599
And as they begin to they continue to take out

976
01:02:43,880 --> 01:02:46,960
you know, wooded areas, and you know you're hearing more

977
01:02:47,000 --> 01:02:49,960
and more about them in urban areas. Yeah, it's going

978
01:02:50,039 --> 01:02:53,039
to get worse. It has to. And what about all

979
01:02:53,079 --> 01:02:56,079
the things that have not been said, the reports that

980
01:02:56,119 --> 01:02:59,400
have not been put in, but me knowing the way

981
01:02:59,440 --> 01:03:02,039
that I am, and the things that I have seen,

982
01:03:02,440 --> 01:03:05,239
even we've been put out east, you know, coming up

983
01:03:05,239 --> 01:03:08,320
behind me and speaking up behind me, because they've been

984
01:03:08,360 --> 01:03:11,880
known to break people's necks and stuff like this. You know,

985
01:03:11,960 --> 01:03:15,440
these are these are it's it's the fact that animals,

986
01:03:15,519 --> 01:03:19,480
no matter what they are, you know, they run from

987
01:03:19,559 --> 01:03:22,599
man up to a point. It's like a lion or

988
01:03:22,760 --> 01:03:27,039
anything else like that. As populations increase, fig you're going

989
01:03:27,079 --> 01:03:29,480
to have these run ins. But yeah, I think I

990
01:03:29,519 --> 01:03:34,079
think it's maybe not as fast as what's happening here.

991
01:03:34,119 --> 01:03:37,639
I don't even understand this myself, but I do believe

992
01:03:37,840 --> 01:03:41,800
because of the times that we live in, and like

993
01:03:41,840 --> 01:03:45,199
I said, the populations and the deforestation and all the

994
01:03:45,280 --> 01:03:49,599
factors thrown in in the pot. Yeah, I do believe

995
01:03:49,679 --> 01:03:53,960
that it's going to get even worse because we have

996
01:03:54,480 --> 01:03:57,320
We've got all the ingredients in the pod, and this

997
01:03:57,440 --> 01:04:01,519
thing's going to blow. It's got to cannot We're getting,

998
01:04:01,679 --> 01:04:03,920
you know, people talking about this more and more and

999
01:04:03,960 --> 01:04:08,079
more about dog man encounters running behind their cars, and

1000
01:04:08,199 --> 01:04:10,519
this and that the other. And like I said, you

1001
01:04:10,559 --> 01:04:14,360
may have an area where, for some reason there's this

1002
01:04:14,679 --> 01:04:18,519
very small population living there. Who knows. I don't know.

1003
01:04:18,599 --> 01:04:21,920
I can't speak to what I don't know, But I

1004
01:04:22,039 --> 01:04:25,400
believe that due to the times in which we live

1005
01:04:26,440 --> 01:04:29,679
and when you throw when you throw the Bible into

1006
01:04:29,760 --> 01:04:33,800
the mix, and these things are supposed to happen at

1007
01:04:33,800 --> 01:04:38,840
the end times. So when you really take everything, all angles,

1008
01:04:39,039 --> 01:04:43,280
all portions that it is, it is, it has to

1009
01:04:44,360 --> 01:04:47,400
It's just common sense. You may not hear of it

1010
01:04:47,519 --> 01:04:51,039
like that, but Vic, there's a lot of people living

1011
01:04:51,079 --> 01:04:53,920
in a lot of places that we don't even know.

1012
01:04:54,880 --> 01:04:58,760
But if this is happening here, my guess is it's

1013
01:04:58,800 --> 01:05:03,159
happening somewhere else. There's no reason for it. There's just

1014
01:05:03,280 --> 01:05:05,920
absolutely no reason for this. But like I when you

1015
01:05:05,960 --> 01:05:09,159
had discussed, I would like to see somebody or me

1016
01:05:09,320 --> 01:05:13,239
take somebody in there that is a level headed man

1017
01:05:13,920 --> 01:05:17,440
or woman or whoever that knows, and I guarantee you

1018
01:05:17,519 --> 01:05:19,440
when he comes out, he's going to have photographs and

1019
01:05:19,480 --> 01:05:22,320
you'll see what I mean. But as far as yeah,

1020
01:05:22,360 --> 01:05:25,480
I believe, I mean, look at the explosion of all

1021
01:05:25,559 --> 01:05:32,960
the reports that. I mean, something is happening, and being

1022
01:05:33,000 --> 01:05:36,440
that we are at the end days, this stuff's supposed

1023
01:05:36,440 --> 01:05:40,519
to happen, and it's happening. I've watched it and it's

1024
01:05:40,559 --> 01:05:43,519
not just with subjects like what we're talking about. Vic.

1025
01:05:43,599 --> 01:05:47,960
Look at people's behavior. People used to when we were kids,

1026
01:05:48,159 --> 01:05:52,960
people didn't act like this. No, people respectful, people were

1027
01:05:53,000 --> 01:05:56,039
more kind to one another. But now you know, they

1028
01:05:56,039 --> 01:05:57,920
shoot you without even giving you a second look. In

1029
01:05:57,960 --> 01:06:01,280
the street, they're blowing people away. We know a lady now,

1030
01:06:01,639 --> 01:06:05,760
her husband was just shot over in Washington Stay for

1031
01:06:05,880 --> 01:06:09,840
no reason, a family man. They just drove and shot

1032
01:06:09,880 --> 01:06:13,400
the guy for no reason, and shot other people for

1033
01:06:13,400 --> 01:06:16,559
no reason. You never heard about this stuff when we're

1034
01:06:16,559 --> 01:06:19,199
growing up. So when you see stuff like this going on,

1035
01:06:19,960 --> 01:06:23,000
it carried I believe that it carries over into the

1036
01:06:23,079 --> 01:06:29,119
natural world because I spoke with spirits and uh, spirits

1037
01:06:29,159 --> 01:06:32,719
never change, Vick. They ever, they change masks, but they

1038
01:06:32,760 --> 01:06:36,679
never they never changed. And people change, but they don't,

1039
01:06:37,599 --> 01:06:41,800
and it's always the same outcome. And it's very predictable

1040
01:06:41,840 --> 01:06:46,119
because wild animals when they're when they're what do you

1041
01:06:46,119 --> 01:06:49,760
want to call it, uh crunched into one area, forced

1042
01:06:49,760 --> 01:06:52,599
into an area with man, you're going to have a problem,

1043
01:06:53,199 --> 01:06:55,719
and we are having it, and it's I believe this

1044
01:06:55,880 --> 01:06:58,440
is just a beginning, or there may be some other

1045
01:06:58,519 --> 01:07:01,159
areas like this thick, but I'm leave it's the beginning

1046
01:07:01,679 --> 01:07:08,920
of something much worse. And that's my honest opinion looking

1047
01:07:08,960 --> 01:07:12,280
at everything that I've seen and understand. But I agree

1048
01:07:12,320 --> 01:07:16,079
with you, I mean from your reports. Sure, I mean

1049
01:07:16,280 --> 01:07:17,880
you've got to go by the facts that you that

1050
01:07:18,079 --> 01:07:21,280
you understand, and so we're all throwing what we all

1051
01:07:21,320 --> 01:07:24,280
have in together to see what the outcome would be.

1052
01:07:25,719 --> 01:07:28,760
It's just a subject. It's ongoing, vic I think, And

1053
01:07:28,920 --> 01:07:31,280
like I said, you're more of an expert. You hear

1054
01:07:31,360 --> 01:07:34,960
this stuff. I'm sure you have enough discernment to know

1055
01:07:35,000 --> 01:07:39,440
when somebody's giving you the creepy pasta. But there is

1056
01:07:39,480 --> 01:07:43,760
an underlining truth to this, and that's what I've looked for.

1057
01:07:44,480 --> 01:07:47,400
When you comb through all the garbage, when you comb

1058
01:07:47,400 --> 01:07:50,960
through all the lies and all the people, the moneymakers

1059
01:07:51,039 --> 01:07:53,280
and this and that, and you get down to the few,

1060
01:07:54,159 --> 01:07:57,679
and then you find the truth. Somebody told me something

1061
01:07:58,920 --> 01:08:01,039
in somebody's life. It's made a lot of sense to me.

1062
01:08:01,360 --> 01:08:04,599
Maybe it's good advice, but They said, if you want

1063
01:08:04,639 --> 01:08:08,840
to be right, just stop doing what's wrong. And I

1064
01:08:08,880 --> 01:08:13,599
think it kind of applies with this. You know, man

1065
01:08:13,719 --> 01:08:20,880
is invading into territories that man don't care. Man's always

1066
01:08:20,880 --> 01:08:26,319
about money, self, his own self esteem. He's about himself.

1067
01:08:26,520 --> 01:08:28,640
Most people could care less if you died in the street.

1068
01:08:29,520 --> 01:08:36,520
And but animals, they follow instincts. They're not thinkers like

1069
01:08:36,560 --> 01:08:41,560
we are. And that's our biggest problem. And watching what's

1070
01:08:41,600 --> 01:08:45,359
going on, we're causing it. VIC. Human beings are causing this,

1071
01:08:46,800 --> 01:08:49,840
and we have to live. All humans have to live.

1072
01:08:50,560 --> 01:08:53,880
And I don't understand how we could ever live in

1073
01:08:53,960 --> 01:08:58,560
peace together, in harmony with these creatures. I don't know

1074
01:08:58,600 --> 01:09:03,479
how that's even possible. Because man destroys everything he gets.

1075
01:09:04,880 --> 01:09:08,079
We have been called we've shot animals to their extinct.

1076
01:09:08,720 --> 01:09:14,560
We always destroy everything we get without understanding it. But

1077
01:09:14,680 --> 01:09:18,880
I think I'll leave it with this VIC. In my opinion,

1078
01:09:19,680 --> 01:09:23,640
I believe nature is starting to fight back. I believe

1079
01:09:23,680 --> 01:09:26,439
that with all my heart. Nature's starting to fight back,

1080
01:09:27,439 --> 01:09:30,199
and they're doing it. It's doing it with a vengeance,

1081
01:09:30,920 --> 01:09:35,760
and people are dying and being People say that I'm spiritual.

1082
01:09:36,279 --> 01:09:41,159
I don't know, but what I do understand is fear

1083
01:09:41,239 --> 01:09:44,479
is growing. People are afraid these days. Vic They're afraid

1084
01:09:44,479 --> 01:09:47,159
of everything. They're afraid of the government, They're afraid of

1085
01:09:47,239 --> 01:09:50,359
losing everything they got. They're afraid of bankruptcy, the government

1086
01:09:50,399 --> 01:09:55,920
going bankruptcy, they're afraid of of They're just afraid. Our

1087
01:09:55,960 --> 01:10:00,960
country is in terrible condition. People just afraid we're going

1088
01:10:01,000 --> 01:10:05,079
to war with everybody that you know, and that spills

1089
01:10:05,119 --> 01:10:09,399
over into the natural realm. I think think of it

1090
01:10:09,479 --> 01:10:12,560
like this, thick That's what I like to think. If people,

1091
01:10:13,279 --> 01:10:16,760
if you've got a huge group of people that are depressed,

1092
01:10:17,239 --> 01:10:21,800
that are full of anxiety, and I think that that

1093
01:10:22,000 --> 01:10:26,760
radiates over into the natural world because you've got millions

1094
01:10:26,760 --> 01:10:31,359
of millions of people that are either scared, worried constantly

1095
01:10:31,479 --> 01:10:35,319
with every day comings and goings, sick people, families dying

1096
01:10:35,319 --> 01:10:39,520
of cancer, worry, worry, worry, worry, and you know, life

1097
01:10:39,600 --> 01:10:43,960
is like that. And I honestly believe I like with animals,

1098
01:10:44,000 --> 01:10:46,479
cats and dogs, you come in your house, that animal

1099
01:10:46,520 --> 01:10:48,800
can tell whether or not what kind of mood you're in.

1100
01:10:50,239 --> 01:10:53,640
And I think when you've got millions and millions of

1101
01:10:53,680 --> 01:10:58,079
people having this kind of a spirit, if I can

1102
01:10:58,119 --> 01:11:02,600
say that I think that it does affect the world.

1103
01:11:02,760 --> 01:11:06,800
And plus science has done nature a very bad turn,

1104
01:11:07,920 --> 01:11:11,000
filling with the earth, fullling with all that it's done. Vic,

1105
01:11:12,159 --> 01:11:14,920
I believe we are flirting with disasters the old song

1106
01:11:14,960 --> 01:11:17,520
well years ago I listened to rock music. I believe

1107
01:11:17,560 --> 01:11:20,199
we are flirting with disaster. And I think this is

1108
01:11:20,279 --> 01:11:23,079
just the beginning of what we're seeing. What I've seen,

1109
01:11:23,560 --> 01:11:25,880
and I know this is not the only area like this.

1110
01:11:26,359 --> 01:11:29,680
There's got to be others. It just doesn't work like that.

1111
01:11:30,760 --> 01:11:33,680
And I've told the truth, and I think the world

1112
01:11:33,760 --> 01:11:35,840
of view, and I think the world of the people

1113
01:11:35,880 --> 01:11:38,560
that listen to you. You've got a great thing going

1114
01:11:38,640 --> 01:11:41,520
your vict But I like a man that speaks his opinion.

1115
01:11:42,000 --> 01:11:45,600
And if you think you're right, God bless you. And

1116
01:11:45,640 --> 01:11:47,880
if you think I'm right, if I think I'm right,

1117
01:11:48,039 --> 01:11:52,079
God bless me. But that's what it takes to understand.

1118
01:11:52,319 --> 01:11:55,640
When we come to the table, Vic, we all bring

1119
01:11:55,720 --> 01:11:58,960
something to the table. And if we can't, it's like

1120
01:11:59,039 --> 01:12:02,399
eating pie. If if I hit a seat, I just

1121
01:12:02,560 --> 01:12:05,640
throw it away and go on eating pie. And I like,

1122
01:12:05,760 --> 01:12:08,199
you know, you brought something to the table that I

1123
01:12:08,279 --> 01:12:12,520
found very helpful. And I appreciated what you said because

1124
01:12:12,520 --> 01:12:16,119
it got me to think, and that's what we need

1125
01:12:16,159 --> 01:12:19,199
to do more of it. Say hey, look I disagree

1126
01:12:19,239 --> 01:12:21,600
with you on this, and this is why. That's what

1127
01:12:21,640 --> 01:12:23,920
we need more of. That's how we come to the

1128
01:12:23,960 --> 01:12:28,079
truth and come to the right understanding, because it's by

1129
01:12:28,640 --> 01:12:31,720
it's by pros and cons, it's we've got to come

1130
01:12:31,840 --> 01:12:35,039
We got to find the truth. And so now two

1131
01:12:35,079 --> 01:12:38,680
people are actually going to agree on everything that is said.

1132
01:12:39,119 --> 01:12:44,159
We don't, but we come as as friends and people

1133
01:12:44,239 --> 01:12:47,399
with the same interest, and we lay what we got

1134
01:12:47,439 --> 01:12:49,560
on the table. We bring what we got to the table,

1135
01:12:50,359 --> 01:12:52,600
and we all look at what the other fella's got.

1136
01:12:53,159 --> 01:12:55,520
It said, well I don't agree with that. I'll say, well,

1137
01:12:55,520 --> 01:12:59,600
thank you. You know well I do. But here's why.

1138
01:12:59,720 --> 01:13:02,239
But you might say, well, no, here's why I don't.

1139
01:13:02,319 --> 01:13:04,159
If this is what you could be right, I could

1140
01:13:04,199 --> 01:13:06,640
be wrong. If this is what it's going to take

1141
01:13:06,760 --> 01:13:10,039
VIC to shift through all the garbage till we can

1142
01:13:10,079 --> 01:13:12,159
come to the truth. We need more of what you

1143
01:13:12,239 --> 01:13:15,520
just did, Marshall. I don't agree with you on that point.

1144
01:13:15,840 --> 01:13:18,720
Thank you for that. Vic. That's what we need more of.

1145
01:13:19,399 --> 01:13:21,880
That's how we come and find the truth is by

1146
01:13:21,920 --> 01:13:25,119
people bringing their what they're understanding is to the table.

1147
01:13:26,159 --> 01:13:29,439
And if we can do this and really have people's

1148
01:13:29,520 --> 01:13:32,079
interest at heart, like you do and what I believe

1149
01:13:32,119 --> 01:13:36,199
I do, and it come with pros and cons. Sure,

1150
01:13:36,279 --> 01:13:39,800
no two people can agree on everything, but Vic, once

1151
01:13:39,960 --> 01:13:42,640
all the stuff, once all the draws is skinned off

1152
01:13:42,680 --> 01:13:46,399
the top, we got the truth. And that's how we

1153
01:13:46,439 --> 01:13:50,479
come to it and not fighting and arguing, but respecting

1154
01:13:50,520 --> 01:13:53,960
one another's opinion and say well, I don't agree, and

1155
01:13:54,039 --> 01:13:56,439
thank you for that, Vic, I appreciate it. That's a

1156
01:13:56,479 --> 01:14:02,960
real man. I appreciated that because you're teaching me and

1157
01:14:03,039 --> 01:14:05,640
I think the world of that. That that's a man.

1158
01:14:06,000 --> 01:14:08,800
That's a real man. I love that, I really do.

1159
01:14:08,840 --> 01:14:12,119
I appreciate that. It's not about arguing. I think you

1160
01:14:12,159 --> 01:14:14,960
had a good point, and I gave you my point.

1161
01:14:15,560 --> 01:14:18,479
Am I right? Maybe not? Are you right? Maybe not?

1162
01:14:19,439 --> 01:14:22,880
But somewhere in the middle, Vic, the truth lies there.

1163
01:14:24,119 --> 01:14:27,560
And I think that's what's important with us researchers and

1164
01:14:27,600 --> 01:14:30,000
with people. If we can sit down to the table

1165
01:14:30,119 --> 01:14:32,880
like this and not get angry or say wow, I

1166
01:14:32,880 --> 01:14:34,960
don't agree with you, Well, to heck with you. That's

1167
01:14:35,039 --> 01:14:37,640
not that's not how it's done. Now we come to

1168
01:14:37,680 --> 01:14:42,920
the table with an open mind and hearts for the people. VIC.

1169
01:14:43,119 --> 01:14:44,880
Sooner or later, we're going to come to the truth.

1170
01:14:46,039 --> 01:14:49,199
And that's what I think it's all been about. It's

1171
01:14:49,239 --> 01:14:50,880
coming to the truth of this. That's what all the

1172
01:14:50,920 --> 01:14:54,800
research is about. I'm just sharing a little wisdom. I

1173
01:14:54,800 --> 01:14:57,840
don't mean to go too long, but God bless you, Vic,

1174
01:14:57,880 --> 01:15:02,439
I appreciate that. Don't ever lose that. Don't ever lose that.

1175
01:15:02,560 --> 01:15:05,439
Don't ever be afraid to disagree with somebody. If you

1176
01:15:05,520 --> 01:15:08,760
think you're right, tellable, because you know what, Vic, And

1177
01:15:08,880 --> 01:15:13,000
between the two opinions, there's where we find a yellow line,

1178
01:15:14,399 --> 01:15:17,560
and it takes more of that pros and cons. Pros

1179
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and cons. We need that in order to understand each

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other and what we're talking about and trying to come

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to the truth. The whole thing about this is finding

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the truth. And if we could do this, Vic, we're

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all gonna be a lot safer and we're all gonna

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be a lot better off. In my opinion, we will.

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I've gets you too well. I'm so sorry.

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Speaker 1: Oh no, don't apologize. Don't apologize. And just because we

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disagree on there being a widespread ramping up of the

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danger that these guys pose. Well, let me qualify that.

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Like I said earlier, I'm never gonna say that dog

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men are ever safe to be around. I'm never gonna

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say that. But my whole standpoint is because of the

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numbers I deal with, numbers of eyewitnesses and the experiences

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on the average that they report to me. That's why

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I've come to the conclusion that these guys are not

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wired by nature to be dangerous to the point where

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if the opportunity presents itself to rip a human apart,

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they're going to act on that and do that. I'm

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never going to say that there aren't deviant ones that

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will rip a person apart as soon as the opportunity

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presents itself. But having said all that, yeah, just because

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our opinions vary on that, that doesn't mean I don't

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respect your opinion, because I definitely do. But having said that,

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I want to thank you so much for coming back

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on to do this second show here, Marshall. I really

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do appreciate it, and please remember, if I can ever

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help you out in the future, all I have to

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do is just let me know and I'll be there

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for you man.

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Speaker 2: I appreciate that. Vic. Like I said, I say it again,

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You've got a good thing going. Don't ever lose it.

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Don't ever lose it. People need it, They need you man,

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they do.

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Speaker 1: Oh, thank you sir. I feel blessed to be in

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a position to be able to help the eyewitnesses. So yeah,

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if I have my way, I'll never stop that. I

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never will. But having said that, thanks again so much

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for your time Marshall. Like I said, I really appreciate it,

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and have a great night.