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Speaker 1: Welcome back, folks to another episode of the there Atas

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Road Unusual Monday stream because I hate Mondays, so we

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never do this on a Monday. But we have Danny

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from the rabbit Hole podcast here with this. We're very

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excited to talk to her. Danny, how are you, how's life?

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How's your Monday evening going? All that?

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Speaker 2: Mondays are like the best day for me because I

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have so many other things going on. All of my

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weekends or weeknights are so filled up that like the

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day the only time I could do it.

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Speaker 1: That that tracks, that tracks. So instead of you having

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a nice, peaceful evening, we're taking it up and making

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it more difficult. And I'm sorry about that.

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Speaker 2: I don't think podcasting is hard, so no, oh, talking

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to you, I was just I would just be painting

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by number, I not number, so I have to paint

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with in the lines.

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Speaker 1: I get that I can't even do that. So I

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find that, honestly a kind of I don't know, encouraging, impressive,

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I guess, I guess I'll find it impressive.

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Speaker 2: Unusual punishment.

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Speaker 1: I get. I've never understood people who like paint with mandela.

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Is it like a mandala Mandela whatever. It's not the effect,

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but it's the you guys know what I'm talking about. No, Okay,

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Well that being said, folks, we're live tonight. Go check

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Go check out all of these socials, YouTube, Twitter. What

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am I missing? John? We're we're gonna be doing Talking

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with Jewels from Gray Pilds in like a week and

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a half on March No, February twenty eighth. Yeah, and

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I think that Touch Me Tuesdays. We do Touch Me

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Tuesdays every Tuesday at seven pm, where we talk about

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the things that touch me this week and hopefully we'll

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touch you too. I know. Yeah, I've gotten a lot

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of flak for that.

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Speaker 2: I'm like, no, I don't want to be a part

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of I'm gonna pass. I'm glad this Monday.

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Speaker 1: Yes, we would never have somebody on and and and

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surprise them with with that name.

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Speaker 2: I would hate to do that to me Tuesday. I'm good.

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Speaker 1: I don't know. Yeah, we've held off having guests for that.

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I feel like that I I may have been a

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little intoxicated when we came up with that name, and

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now it's I don't think there's any changing it now.

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I mean we do it every week, so yeah, it's

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it's it's a weekly thing now, for better or worse.

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It's a recurring, uh problem, I guess is the best

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way to say that.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, but it's it's a good like it's a good

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thing for like, it's cultural commentary.

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Speaker 1: So I think it is a little bit it's just

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me bitching for an hour and a half is what

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it is, honestly said.

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Speaker 2: Things that touch like touch you, which means that like

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like nice things, like kind things.

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Speaker 1: Uh. Sometimes often it's just piss you off. Yes, all

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of the above. Like we've had the odd like tender moment,

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you know, where I talked about like a I don't know,

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like a mother, uh gently caressing a fawn in a field,

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you know. But most of it's uh you know, like

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you know, maybe finding a cult symbolism and news stories

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complaining about whatever Pam Bondi's up to.

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Speaker 2: You should call it curn Events Tuesday.

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Speaker 1: That's that's a much nicer name. Yeah, that that might

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that might help. Actually, that might be the catalyst to

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get us to clean up the show at this point

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because if my if my I don't know, if any

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of my family ever sees this, I will be I'll

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never talk to them again, which might be a positive.

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Actually I might look into, you know, forcibly presenting them

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with it. I don't know how else to say that.

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So yeah, touch Tuesdays every Tuesday at seven. Uh, And

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I think that's it for us. Danny, Where can where

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can all the people find you? Well?

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Speaker 2: You have it on the bottom of the screen.

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Speaker 1: It says, oh, well done, John. I didn't even notice that.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I don't even have to say it, thank goodness,

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because I don't know find me my podcast. I do

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know this, Okay. My podcast comes out on Wednesday and

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on sometimes on Monday, because if I have a guest,

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then I'll put on an episode on Monday. But if

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I don't have a guest, then no Monday episode. Then

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you just get a Wednesday episode.

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Speaker 1: I get that. I get that.

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Speaker 2: So yeah, that's it. That's all I got.

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Speaker 1: It's okay.

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Speaker 2: Where we can find podcasts, where we can find youtubes

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and rumbles, that's where it's at.

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Speaker 1: All the places, all the places where they put the shows.

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Speaker 2: Although I did get a notification from TikTok today they're

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about to ban my ban my account.

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Speaker 1: Well done. What was their reason this time?

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so that's kind of like, you know, I put really

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nice things out there on TikTok. I'm not trying to

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get banned. I want to keep putting things on TikTok

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that way find me. And then you know, I talked

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about how the CIA is training pedophiles and they got

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really bad about that. So you know, one.

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Speaker 1: Time one pedophile comment and they brand you for life

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a bunch of dicks.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, well maybe they should stop.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm a novel idea.

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Speaker 2: Talking about it, so they should stop doing it.

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Speaker 1: I like that. I support that. I think that's a

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good strategy for how to live your life. Actually, yeah, yeah,

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they should stop being pedophiles. Quote from the show. We'll

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put that on the wall back here, Yeah, do it.

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I like that like that lot. So, uh, first thing

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going to be very hypocritical. Am not a fan of

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like shows in this space. And I was telling John

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this before before we got started. I'm already so bad

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at time management, Like I don't have time to sit

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here and watch people like me for like twenty minutes,

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you know about whatever. And so that's why I'm such

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a big fan of like your show, especially because it's

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it's literally just the stuff. It's you giving me the stuff,

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and it's so much like I just love it. It's

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so direct, it's so clean, you cut out all the fat,

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like it's easily. Maybe it might be like it's it's

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up there, it's top Yeah, top show, big fan, thank you.

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Speaker 2: I actually don't listen to any other conspiracy theory podcasts.

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I want to, like, I want to support other people,

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but I don't want to listen to you because what

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if it can like corrupts like what I put in

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my podcast, you know, right, and so like I have

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to like not. I get that I and I feel

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really bad because like I and I so when I

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see things on like TikTok or Instagram, like on social

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media when I'm scrolling, I always like it and I

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try to share it when I when I can, But

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I won't listen to your podcast, and I'm sorry.

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Speaker 1: I like that. I like that a lot. Actually, yeah,

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I'm a fan.

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Speaker 2: It's funny that you called it direct, because I get

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called that a lot. People are like, Danny's very direct.

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I'm like, is that am I mean?

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a number of occasions who just tend to be just honest.

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social commentary on honesty is really at this point. It's

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this whole idea that you have to like spend time

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navigating all of these like like social concepts that we're

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supposed to dance around, and it's nobody has time for that.

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It's ridiculous. It's completely ridiculous.

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Speaker 2: And excuse what I'm trying to tell you.

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Speaker 1: Right, Yeah, if you ask.

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Speaker 2: Me do I look fat in this dress, I'm gonna

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tell you yes or no.

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Speaker 1: You look like a cow. Yeah, you can just tell

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them that, right. Yeah.

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Speaker 2: I don't have a lot of friends because of it.

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and sometimes losing friends, but it's it's okay, Yeah, around

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they do. And that's the thing. The real people will

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we will find you at the at a minimum, at

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a minimum I feel like the real people will find

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you so true, so true. So I had I had

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a couple of so that directness correct me if I'm wrong.

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coon before you got intoday, back in the day. So

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like been ex military and and have like similar viewpoints

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as yours, but you're out here talking about it, and that,

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from what I've seen, is is super strange. I've met

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a lot of people who were like hardcore nationalists after

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being in the service, and a lot of people who

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just don't want to like talk about anything related to

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uh reality honestly after a little while. But I'm curious

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as to like what your your process of Like I

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guess waking up was having that kind of a background,

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because this is it's it's an odd combination, like seeing

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Speaker 2: Yeah? No, it makes sense. So I was I would

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plane crash, that's a controlled demolition from like seven years old.

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that's awesome. So then it's like twenty t twenty, I'm

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trying to figure out, like I have to do something

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was like, what am I just start a podcast? Radios

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radio station like radio, that's our that's out. The podcasts

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it did well. I think like it was a really

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good learning experience, Like we learned a lot. I learned

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a lot about myself. But just like life got in

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being lazy and if I just did the work, because

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the story the way I explained the conspiracies, right, they

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explained the story from start to finish. They explain all

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the possible suspects and then like and what happened to

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the people, and that's it, Like you don't have to

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and listen to it. All right, that's what I want

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to do. But conspiracy theories, because every middle aged female

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iteration of this that's out there, very private on YouTube

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that hopefully no one has ever seen. And it is

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it's it's it's aggressively time consuming, and I would imagine,

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especially the style of presentation that you have, I have

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no clue how you have time to compile all that,

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and I'm terrible at time management, like self admittedly it's

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my worst thing, but like, how do you even and

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how do you even manage like manage your time?

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a newborhn well, he was just a baby. He's like

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six months old. So I would research during nap times

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and after bedtime, and I would just like research while

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he was sleeping, and then I would record once a

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week and I would just hope for the best when

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just doing an audio podcast and that was a lot

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easier for me. Now that I do a video podcast

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is a lot trickier. But I don't know, I don't

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I really don't know how I did it. Because then

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and I had to do something. My husband was out

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working every day, but like we needed a little bit

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more money. So I started nannying. And so now I

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have two kids in my house and I have to navigate,

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like and their their young kids. They're like just about

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to be one, so they're little, And so I navigated

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like nannying and then just researching, and a lot of

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it was like very last minute. A lot of it

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like I was already losing sleep because I have a

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like a infant at home and let alone. Like now

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I'm up all night doing research for my podcast, right,

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and my husband the whole time was like, oh, like

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this is just a hobby that she really likes. Well,

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it was like March of twenty twenty four, and finally

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I was like, I think that we should get a

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nanny or like somebody come watch the kids, because now

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at that point I had two kids myself, Like, we

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should have somebody to come and watch the kids two

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times a week that way I can get a little

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bit more done. And then eventually it was three days

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a week, and now we're up to four days a

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week because like one of the days we homeschool our kids,

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and so one of the days we go to like

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homeschool community, and then the other four days I podcast

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full time. But now I need that extra day because

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I'm not doing interviews as well. Right, And the editing

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for like video editing takes a lot of time.

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Speaker 1: It's so time consuming. Yeah, yeah, I don't I don't

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know how you manage that even with that extra time. Honestly,

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it's that.

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Speaker 2: Very good time management.

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Speaker 1: So that's what that's like. Okay, now I'm learning what

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it's like okay, Like.

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don't go to bed until like ten thirty or eleven on.

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But there are nights still now that like my my

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podcast posts at one am on Wednesday morning. If it's

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not out at one, Like if it's Tuesday at ten

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pm and my podcast isn't done, I'm out here until

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one am trying to get it done.

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Speaker 1: Dang.

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Speaker 2: Like I I will just work constantly. I go inside,

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like the boys they go to daycare and I go,

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I drop them off, I go pick them up, I

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bring them home. We do dinner time, school, bedtime, all

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of that, and then as soon as they're in bed,

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I come back out here and I go back to work.

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Speaker 1: Oh my gosh, Okay, I just don't stop working ever

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it sounds no, I mean, yeah, no, I mean and

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I love that. Yeah no, I love that. And I

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think that needs to be more like what regular life

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is like. And I guess like that's one of the

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things that have having a corporate job like it does.

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You can people who do things that they enjoy real

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work have so much more energy than the said middle

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aged people that I work with, who essentially appear to

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be working towards their own death every passing day, you know,

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at a corporate job. And so it's it's encouraging to

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see somebody legitimately doing something that like gives them energy,

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that gives them, you know, a purpose. Yeah, because that's

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so rare and I don't know, I mean, the system

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seems certainly very well designed to direct people into that,

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into that corporate funnel to sap their energy and also easier.

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Speaker 2: I think that's what people don't talk about because like,

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I don't get a consistent paycheck. If I don't put

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in the work, I don't get paid, right, I don't

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get paid time off. If my kid is sick tomorrow

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and my podcast is not out for Wednesday, I'm going

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to be with him all day long while he's sick.

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My husband's gonna come home, we're going to tag out,

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and I'm going to come out here and work until

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midnight or one am, trying to get that podcast out

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because I don't get that time off and I don't

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get to like just not put it out because how

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many people are waiting to listen to it?

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Speaker 1: Yeah.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, So like, but also there was a time, I

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mean for a year and a half, two years I

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wasn't being paid for this. I was just doing all

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the work with none of the reward.

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Speaker 1: Right.

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Speaker 2: So, Like, it's it's easier to go to a corporate job,

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I think because when when you want to leave, you

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leave the job there, you don't own.

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Speaker 1: It, right, Yeah, and that is that is the nice

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thing about that is you don't have you know, I

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refuse to take work home with me. I am a

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bad corporate employee, very bad corporate employee. But they keep

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me around because other employees are worse. I guess I

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don't really know, but they continue to employ me, which

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is nice. So so growing up in a family that so

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you grew up in a family that was weird essentially,

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like strange, not very not mainstream. It sounds like do

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what it was normal to me? I mean, yeah, that

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makes sense. That makes sense. Was was that like was

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was that difficult? Like from a social perspective.

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Speaker 2: I didn't know, Yes, but I didn't realize it. That

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makes sense. Like like I would go and I would

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like say things at school and people would be like,

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what are you talking about? And I was like, yeah,

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isn't this a normal conversation you're all having? And like

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people would make fun of me. I it was this

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is perfect. I love that I did not know in

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school that I was being made fun of behind my back.

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I had no idea. I didn't know until after I

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graduated and I moved on already that people were making

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fun of me the whole time. I had no idea.

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It was awesome because had I known, I was ben

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so self conscious, but I didn't know. So it was great.

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Speaker 1: That is nice. That is nice. I grew up kind

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of in a similar fashion and so far as like

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my family were like weird hippie type people, I guess,

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and like I don't know. We were messing around with

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like tinctures and macrobiotic met and like a weird weird

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as a child. And so I was that weird kid

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that like brought odd goop to lunch at school every day.

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Speaker 3: And yeah, I mean you had hippie holistic health parents

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in the nineties in yeah, in the South.

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Speaker 1: Yeah that it wasn't a good combination. It was this. Yeah,

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the swift hand of judgment showed itself very quickly at school.

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It showed itself very quickly. So like going from that

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and then into the military and then kind of being

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awake that whole time, which is just I can't even

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understand what it would have been like growing up with

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that kind of perspective, because like when we you know,

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when nine to eleven happened, I think I was eight,

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and you know, for me, it was this like big

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you know, it was it was what everybody said it

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was right, it was it was the world falling apart.

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It was, you know, this very strange falling of two buildings.

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The plane flew into us, very odd, and like I did,

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I guess I didn't get that upset about it personally

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because I was like, I don't know any of these people.

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I guess they're dead, but so are a lot of

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other people. It doesn't really bother me. Yeah, I was

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kind of an a leaving today, John, I'm sorry, but uh,

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I can't even imagine what that like. How how you

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managed to make it from from that into the military

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and then and then here now, And what is your

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perspective on like the whole military industrial complex given that

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that background, I'm very curious about that having kind of

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been inside it, and also like working in the conspiracy

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theory world, I've heard you talk a lot about, you know,

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some of these corrupt military figures and and you know,

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they're their part, they had, they've had to play and

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a lot of really really messed up stuff. So what

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what is your perspective on all of that.

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Speaker 2: So it's really hard because like I wasn't fully awake

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when I was in the military, so some really crappy

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things happened to me when I first joined the military,

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and so I was really self centered and self focused

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when I was in And I was young too, so

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like the only reason I joined was I did color

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guard when I was in high school and I really

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liked it, and my dream I was like, I'm gonna

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go on, I'm gonna be a color guard coach. I'm

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gonna just like keep marching forever and ever and ever.

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I'm just gonna do color guard for the rest of

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my life. My dad's like, that's not a career, and

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I was like, it is a career because my coach

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does it. Like in my mind, I was like, somebody's

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doing it, because he is here coaching us on how

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to do this. Like somebody's doing it. So like I

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had this big, massive dream that like that's what I'm

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gonna do. And my dad was like, absolutely not, that's

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not you're not doing that. So I had to like

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come to come to terms, like I have to do

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something after high school and it can't be this. So

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he I don't want to say he bullied me. He

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convinced me in an aggressive way that I need to

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stop doing color guard. But it happened so aggressively that

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I was like, I need to stop now, being like

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the end of my junior year going into my senior year.

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So I didn't even like do color guard my senior year,

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which made it really tricky because then I didn't have

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any friends because all my friends were still like it was.

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So I was like, okay, but I have to do

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something and I'm not gonna keep going to school like

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this sucks. So the air Force came to the school

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and I was like, I'm joining the air Force. I

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call my mom dad like, hey, I'm joining the air Force.

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They're like, okay, cool, let's do it. No questions. They

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didn't battle by, They're like, let's go. So, like that

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weekend we were at the recruiter's office. The air Force

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didn't show up. The arm or not the Army. The

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Army wasn't even in that building. The Navy was very smart.

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They were like, hey, are you waiting for the Air Force?

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You could wait on these really comfy couches that we

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have in our office.

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Speaker 1: Oh so nice of them, genius.

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Speaker 2: And I was like, okay, cool, sounds good. And we

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go and they're like, so, why do you want to

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join the Air Force? You know, they start striking up

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a conversation. They're like, well, did you know the Navy's

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the only branch that can guarantee your job before you

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go in? And I was like, no, I didn't know that,

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So now I'm joining the Navy. But I said, whoa,

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whoa mm I do not ever, ever, ever want to

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go on a ship and they're like, deal, you don't

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have to. And I was like this seems too good

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to be true. And then I never went on a ship,

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so it was perfect because I did not want to.

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I never wanted to. I did fly over my sister,

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and my sister was on the Nimitz and I flew

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above her.

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Speaker 1: It's kind of the sweet sister bonding moment.

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Speaker 2: No, she didn't know I was there. Oh well, okay,

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so well I mean maybe she did. I don't really,

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I don't know. Anyway, The point is I joined the Navy,

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and but I was so like self focused because I

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had so much, so much happening, and like, you can

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only focus on so much, so I wasn't really worried

474
00:22:16,160 --> 00:22:20,640
about what was happening like globally, I really wasn't worried

475
00:22:20,640 --> 00:22:22,480
about any of that. I was just trying to get

476
00:22:22,519 --> 00:22:24,640
through like the next day, and then the next day,

477
00:22:24,640 --> 00:22:27,319
and then the next day, and then eventually I did

478
00:22:27,400 --> 00:22:29,559
get I got medically retired out of the Navy. So

479
00:22:29,640 --> 00:22:31,880
they were like, hey, we broke you. We can't fix you,

480
00:22:31,960 --> 00:22:34,200
we don't want to fix you. If we pay you,

481
00:22:34,359 --> 00:22:35,119
will you leave?

482
00:22:36,000 --> 00:22:38,200
Speaker 1: That's so charming. Wow, Okay, it wasn't.

483
00:22:38,279 --> 00:22:40,440
Speaker 2: I was pissed. I was so mad because I was like,

484
00:22:40,519 --> 00:22:43,119
I'm not broken, Like you guys did this. You should

485
00:22:43,119 --> 00:22:45,559
own up to it. But of course, like they wantn't.

486
00:22:46,279 --> 00:22:48,599
So now I'm happy because I have all the retirement

487
00:22:48,599 --> 00:22:52,799
benefits right, But at the time I was not pleased,

488
00:22:53,720 --> 00:22:56,359
but I had I don't really know how I woke

489
00:22:56,440 --> 00:22:58,200
up again. It's just like one day I was like,

490
00:22:58,240 --> 00:23:00,920
I'm curious about conspiracy theories. Always been curious. I want

491
00:23:00,920 --> 00:23:02,799
to know more. There's so many that I keep hearing about,

492
00:23:02,799 --> 00:23:04,359
but I don't actually know the history. I don't know

493
00:23:04,400 --> 00:23:06,960
anything about them because I've my head's been in the

494
00:23:07,000 --> 00:23:09,480
sand for the past five years, like I just haven't

495
00:23:09,480 --> 00:23:11,680
paid attention. So now all of a sudden, I was like,

496
00:23:12,799 --> 00:23:15,119
I should start researching them. What are people talking about?

497
00:23:15,279 --> 00:23:18,000
What is pizzagate? What even is that? What is like

498
00:23:18,200 --> 00:23:21,319
the moon landing? Do we not land on the moon? Like?

499
00:23:21,359 --> 00:23:24,039
I was so like because my dad would talk about

500
00:23:24,039 --> 00:23:25,720
big things, but he wouldn't like I mean big things.

501
00:23:25,720 --> 00:23:29,759
The Moon's big, but like current event things. Yeah, so yeah,

502
00:23:29,799 --> 00:23:31,960
I had heard about them, but like even Kim Trail.

503
00:23:32,000 --> 00:23:34,480
Somebody's like, yeah, there's Kim Trails. I was like, I

504
00:23:34,480 --> 00:23:36,880
don't know where it is, right. It sounds crazy now

505
00:23:36,880 --> 00:23:38,240
that I know everything I know, But at the time

506
00:23:38,279 --> 00:23:41,440
I was like, Okay, let's let's dive in. Well. Now

507
00:23:43,240 --> 00:23:46,480
it's easy for me to look back at my military

508
00:23:46,480 --> 00:23:49,119
time and be like it was corrupt, But it's not

509
00:23:49,279 --> 00:23:55,279
corrupt at the junior level the way like where I was, right, right,

510
00:23:55,279 --> 00:23:57,079
But the higher you get up, the more corrupt. It

511
00:23:57,160 --> 00:23:59,279
is just like the Catholic Church, right, like you have

512
00:23:59,440 --> 00:24:01,799
like people, I mean I said it in my podcast

513
00:24:01,880 --> 00:24:04,640
about the Vatican, like the Catholic Church as a cult,

514
00:24:05,759 --> 00:24:09,720
except the people. And I also said that they're worshiping the devil.

515
00:24:10,039 --> 00:24:12,400
I don't think that the people like at the bottom

516
00:24:12,480 --> 00:24:14,240
that are just there, like they go to church every

517
00:24:14,400 --> 00:24:17,640
every month or every sorry, every week, that they're in

518
00:24:17,680 --> 00:24:19,319
a cult. I don't think that they realize that. And

519
00:24:19,319 --> 00:24:20,920
I don't think that they're trying to worship the devil.

520
00:24:20,960 --> 00:24:23,720
I think that they're actually trying to worship God. However,

521
00:24:24,519 --> 00:24:28,000
the people that are running that organization are same thing

522
00:24:28,000 --> 00:24:30,480
with the military. The people that are running the organization

523
00:24:30,960 --> 00:24:33,240
are in it for themselves.

524
00:24:34,559 --> 00:24:37,079
Speaker 1: Yeah, gosh, yeah, that makes a lot of sense. And

525
00:24:37,119 --> 00:24:40,240
that's one thing that like, I obviously I have a

526
00:24:40,319 --> 00:24:44,240
tough time in public saying things, and so I have

527
00:24:44,240 --> 00:24:48,039
to be really careful around just like ex Millit I

528
00:24:48,079 --> 00:24:49,559
bartended for a long time. I have to be really

529
00:24:49,599 --> 00:24:51,319
careful around folks like that because I don't want to

530
00:24:51,359 --> 00:24:54,839
disparage what is is likely a very like you know,

531
00:24:55,240 --> 00:24:58,960
honest desire to do something good, right, but you know,

532
00:24:59,759 --> 00:25:02,079
learn the things you do in this space. I also

533
00:25:02,119 --> 00:25:05,319
have this just you know, uh, inherent attitude of like,

534
00:25:05,640 --> 00:25:07,640
well that's that's kind of that's kind of gay what

535
00:25:07,680 --> 00:25:09,720
you're doing, like what you're a part of, and so

536
00:25:09,920 --> 00:25:12,400
it's it's hard to it's hard to balance those things.

537
00:25:12,640 --> 00:25:14,720
Have you noticed anything like like that in your own

538
00:25:14,759 --> 00:25:17,359
life or have you noticed that in like people around you?

539
00:25:17,359 --> 00:25:19,200
Speaker 2: No, Because when you realize that, like most of the

540
00:25:19,200 --> 00:25:21,039
people join the military just to like get out of

541
00:25:21,039 --> 00:25:23,480
their hometowns, just to go to college for free, just

542
00:25:23,519 --> 00:25:26,400
to like do something, they like go travel. Like the

543
00:25:26,440 --> 00:25:28,119
people don't join the military to be a part of

544
00:25:28,160 --> 00:25:31,680
the industrial complex, right, They joined the military to like

545
00:25:31,839 --> 00:25:35,839
do something about them their own life. Everybody's inherently selfish, right,

546
00:25:35,920 --> 00:25:38,599
Like you're not joining to be a part of this,

547
00:25:38,880 --> 00:25:41,240
like to be a cog in a machine. You're joining

548
00:25:41,240 --> 00:25:43,440
because what they can do for you. And some people

549
00:25:43,440 --> 00:25:45,680
are I'm not trying to say, like nobody, Like there

550
00:25:45,720 --> 00:25:47,960
are some people that watched or played Call of Duty,

551
00:25:48,160 --> 00:25:50,039
watched all the war movies that they're like, I'm going.

552
00:25:49,920 --> 00:25:52,519
Speaker 1: To war and you're like, I wanna go America.

553
00:25:52,720 --> 00:25:56,559
Speaker 2: Calm down, Like I got it. But like most people

554
00:25:56,640 --> 00:25:59,680
at the base level, they're just trying to do what's

555
00:25:59,680 --> 00:26:02,559
best for their own lives. Yeah, So like to me,

556
00:26:02,640 --> 00:26:07,359
I'm like, you guys, they don't know and they don't care.

557
00:26:07,720 --> 00:26:11,200
Speaker 3: Yeah, you have kind of a firsthand experience of almost

558
00:26:11,240 --> 00:26:16,359
the explanation of how they accomplish everything. Like people always

559
00:26:16,400 --> 00:26:19,200
ask was like how like too many people would be

560
00:26:19,359 --> 00:26:21,559
have to like be in on it for like this

561
00:26:21,599 --> 00:26:23,559
thing to get done. The moon landing is a great example.

562
00:26:23,599 --> 00:26:26,039
That's one of like the most like normy responses, like

563
00:26:26,359 --> 00:26:28,440
too many people would have to be in on it

564
00:26:28,440 --> 00:26:29,119
for them to fake it.

565
00:26:29,160 --> 00:26:30,880
Speaker 1: But you're, like, you see.

566
00:26:30,599 --> 00:26:34,839
Speaker 3: How they compartmentalize in every organization. You see how they compartmentalize,

567
00:26:34,880 --> 00:26:38,400
and how they just kind of, you know, have siphoned

568
00:26:38,440 --> 00:26:42,440
people off into just their little pockets doing their thing. Yeah,

569
00:26:42,440 --> 00:26:44,160
and they can you know, you can't connect it to

570
00:26:44,200 --> 00:26:44,880
the bigger picture.

571
00:26:46,039 --> 00:26:48,119
Speaker 1: That's a great point, John, Yeah, and it reminds me

572
00:26:48,160 --> 00:26:49,680
of I don't know if you've ever read Enders Game,

573
00:26:49,720 --> 00:26:52,000
either of y'all, but like that whole book is about

574
00:26:52,039 --> 00:26:54,880
just severe compartmentalization, to the point that this kid like

575
00:26:54,960 --> 00:26:57,799
erases an entire essentially an entire race of people, has

576
00:26:57,839 --> 00:27:00,240
no idea And yeah, you.

577
00:27:00,200 --> 00:27:02,359
Speaker 2: Don't know what you're doing because like somebody above you

578
00:27:02,480 --> 00:27:04,920
has told you, like this is your job, and like

579
00:27:04,960 --> 00:27:06,640
that's what you do. You just like don't know, you

580
00:27:06,680 --> 00:27:09,039
don't know like the big picture, right, Like you're just

581
00:27:09,079 --> 00:27:12,759
doing your job and you're not even necessarily compartmentalizing for yourself.

582
00:27:12,759 --> 00:27:16,000
And maybe you are a little bit, but like most

583
00:27:16,000 --> 00:27:18,920
of us and even then like the people that know more,

584
00:27:20,079 --> 00:27:23,400
just we did surveillance and reconnaissance in the Navy, so

585
00:27:24,440 --> 00:27:26,759
and we like flew around on EP three's which is

586
00:27:26,799 --> 00:27:30,039
like it's like a modified P three, but it's all

587
00:27:30,039 --> 00:27:32,720
top secret. So there's like stuff that we're doing on

588
00:27:32,759 --> 00:27:35,160
the plane, but once we get off the plane, we

589
00:27:35,200 --> 00:27:37,279
send it off and we don't know what they do

590
00:27:37,359 --> 00:27:41,519
with that information after we've given it to them, so like, yes,

591
00:27:41,559 --> 00:27:44,920
we're doing a job, we don't know where it goes.

592
00:27:47,039 --> 00:27:49,880
Speaker 1: That is that's genuinely alarming that that that level of

593
00:27:49,920 --> 00:27:53,039
compartmentalization is is scary, not on like a personal level,

594
00:27:53,039 --> 00:27:55,480
but like on a on a grand scale. You could

595
00:27:55,519 --> 00:27:58,079
do almost anything with that with that level, And to

596
00:27:58,119 --> 00:28:00,440
your point, John, like that that is how like some

597
00:28:00,480 --> 00:28:03,759
of these massive, weird ass things are accomplished that seem

598
00:28:03,880 --> 00:28:08,119
virtually impossible, And that's gosh, that's one of the more

599
00:28:08,160 --> 00:28:09,720
alarming things. And it seems like I think we were

600
00:28:09,720 --> 00:28:11,960
talking about this the other night, it seems like they're

601
00:28:12,000 --> 00:28:17,000
starting to really push that level of conditioning starting at

602
00:28:17,079 --> 00:28:19,480
like like a super young age. Like that's already going

603
00:28:19,519 --> 00:28:23,720
on in school, where like we compartmentalize subjects in categories

604
00:28:23,759 --> 00:28:26,640
fundamentally one from another. And then you know, you go

605
00:28:26,680 --> 00:28:29,000
on to like college, it's the same thing, but on

606
00:28:29,079 --> 00:28:31,519
like a little more of an intense scale. And then

607
00:28:31,599 --> 00:28:33,319
you know, maybe you work a corporate job before you

608
00:28:33,359 --> 00:28:35,720
go into like a career in the government, and it's

609
00:28:35,759 --> 00:28:38,359
the exact same thing. Like I work a corporate job.

610
00:28:38,400 --> 00:28:41,240
We have a different department for every function, and they're

611
00:28:41,279 --> 00:28:47,200
all severely compartmentalized, even at you know, the tiny health

612
00:28:47,200 --> 00:28:51,200
insurance company I work for, Like it's horrifically compartmentalized, and

613
00:28:51,880 --> 00:28:53,880
it makes it normal, Like it just seems like a

614
00:28:53,880 --> 00:28:54,400
normal thing.

615
00:28:55,039 --> 00:28:56,799
Speaker 2: Right, So then you talk about the moon landing, and

616
00:28:56,799 --> 00:28:58,960
they're like, how did how did they accomplish this? Too

617
00:28:58,960 --> 00:29:00,920
many people would have to know that it's fake, But no,

618
00:29:01,000 --> 00:29:04,160
those people that are in that like control room, they

619
00:29:04,240 --> 00:29:07,440
also think we landed on the moon, right, they don't

620
00:29:07,480 --> 00:29:11,119
realize there's like seven people probably that could put together

621
00:29:11,440 --> 00:29:16,319
the moon landing in some studio somewhere and make it work. Yeah,

622
00:29:16,400 --> 00:29:18,960
you don't have to have that many people. You just

623
00:29:19,000 --> 00:29:21,640
have to convince everybody to do their job little by

624
00:29:21,680 --> 00:29:25,119
little to build up what is going to be the

625
00:29:25,400 --> 00:29:28,240
final product. They don't even know they're they're a part

626
00:29:28,279 --> 00:29:32,279
of it. And that's where I get really like, I

627
00:29:32,319 --> 00:29:34,480
get really kind of like back and forth when I'm

628
00:29:34,519 --> 00:29:36,440
doing conspiracies, because I'm like, what if this person knew

629
00:29:36,480 --> 00:29:38,400
everything the whole time? And I'm like, they might not have,

630
00:29:38,680 --> 00:29:41,680
Like they might not have known anything about it, right, So,

631
00:29:41,720 --> 00:29:43,559
like we talk about Jeffrey Epstein, we're like, how did

632
00:29:43,559 --> 00:29:47,480
they not know? We're like, well, there's probably people that

633
00:29:47,559 --> 00:29:51,000
work for Jeffrey Epstein and actually had no idea what

634
00:29:51,079 --> 00:29:53,480
I was doing. Yeah, and I don't I'm not trying

635
00:29:53,519 --> 00:29:56,119
to like make it okay what happened at all, because like,

636
00:29:56,599 --> 00:30:00,519
if anyone's pissed off, it's me. But like, yeah, they

637
00:30:00,599 --> 00:30:01,680
might not have known.

638
00:30:02,279 --> 00:30:05,599
Speaker 1: Right, Yeah, I mean he ran obviously a very good

639
00:30:05,680 --> 00:30:08,880
front for a long time. Surely there were people who

640
00:30:08,920 --> 00:30:11,519
worked for him or adjacent to him that had no clue.

641
00:30:12,319 --> 00:30:14,240
And while we're on the subject, we can't let this

642
00:30:14,279 --> 00:30:17,440
map opportunity pass us up. Why do you think and

643
00:30:18,039 --> 00:30:21,000
you too, John, why do you think that, like the

644
00:30:21,039 --> 00:30:24,079
people who are implicated in all of these this that's

645
00:30:24,119 --> 00:30:26,799
coming out, why why are they releasing it? Like that's

646
00:30:26,839 --> 00:30:29,839
one of the weird logical fallacies that I've I've had

647
00:30:29,839 --> 00:30:32,720
to address with, just like Normy's I talked to. I'm like,

648
00:30:33,000 --> 00:30:35,160
let's take a minute and think about the fact that

649
00:30:35,160 --> 00:30:37,799
the people who these are talking about are the ones

650
00:30:37,839 --> 00:30:41,119
giving it to you. Can you even fathom why they

651
00:30:41,160 --> 00:30:43,480
would want to do that? And that seems to make

652
00:30:43,519 --> 00:30:45,960
people kind of kind of just open their mouths and

653
00:30:46,039 --> 00:30:47,799
drool for a second. But I'm curious. It's to y'all's

654
00:30:47,839 --> 00:30:50,440
opinion on why, you know, what's what's the purpose behind that?

655
00:30:51,920 --> 00:30:53,279
Speaker 2: Do you want to go first? When you go first?

656
00:30:54,240 --> 00:30:54,599
Speaker 1: Please?

657
00:30:57,319 --> 00:31:00,720
Speaker 2: I think it's two parts. They're expended and they're showing

658
00:31:00,720 --> 00:31:03,880
you their power. So some of the people that they're

659
00:31:04,240 --> 00:31:06,559
like Diddy, right, everyone's like, oh, did he got it out?

660
00:31:06,880 --> 00:31:08,400
Like no, did he stup?

661
00:31:08,960 --> 00:31:09,160
Speaker 1: Yeah?

662
00:31:09,160 --> 00:31:12,920
Speaker 2: And they threw him to the wolves or they they

663
00:31:13,240 --> 00:31:17,160
needed to the buck stops here like it was Diddy

664
00:31:17,200 --> 00:31:19,079
the whole time. Put it all on somebody and they

665
00:31:19,160 --> 00:31:20,920
got rid of him, right, Like they threw him out,

666
00:31:21,319 --> 00:31:24,599
it's still happening. They're just like, this is the person

667
00:31:24,640 --> 00:31:27,440
we're willing to give you, like Prince Andrew. Prince Andrew's

668
00:31:27,480 --> 00:31:30,279
never gonna be king. He's just some prince in the

669
00:31:30,359 --> 00:31:33,000
royal family. They're like, we don't really need this guy.

670
00:31:33,440 --> 00:31:36,240
Throw him out right, put it all on him. That way,

671
00:31:36,279 --> 00:31:39,960
we protect William, we protect Charles, we protect the people

672
00:31:40,000 --> 00:31:42,000
that are gonna be king because they still need to

673
00:31:42,000 --> 00:31:46,240
have like a really stellar reputation. Prince Andrew, forget that guy.

674
00:31:46,519 --> 00:31:48,759
Throw him out right, like, put it on him. The

675
00:31:48,880 --> 00:31:51,920
other people that were like you're in power and like

676
00:31:52,160 --> 00:31:54,559
we can't do anything about it. They're like, exactly, what

677
00:31:54,559 --> 00:31:57,319
are you gonna do? I think we start a revolution?

678
00:31:57,440 --> 00:31:58,559
But I'm just being dramatic.

679
00:31:59,000 --> 00:32:01,480
Speaker 1: I mean, that seems like a good move. It worked once,

680
00:32:01,519 --> 00:32:07,240
it could work again, allegedly. Allegedly. Yeah, it's a caveat that. Yeah.

681
00:32:07,480 --> 00:32:10,559
Speaker 3: I I have started to think that they are intentionally

682
00:32:10,599 --> 00:32:11,000
trying to.

683
00:32:11,000 --> 00:32:13,960
Speaker 1: Wake people up, Okay, John, that's a that's a strange.

684
00:32:14,079 --> 00:32:16,000
Speaker 3: I think that that's what they're doing to it because

685
00:32:16,000 --> 00:32:18,519
I think that they are trying to tear down this

686
00:32:18,799 --> 00:32:22,640
constructed order that they have made.

687
00:32:22,119 --> 00:32:23,160
Speaker 1: It seems more and more.

688
00:32:23,240 --> 00:32:24,960
Speaker 3: And it's like if you start looking at like a

689
00:32:25,000 --> 00:32:27,240
little bit of the trends of how this has gone about,

690
00:32:27,279 --> 00:32:30,680
Like the political order got kind of absolutely decimated when

691
00:32:30,720 --> 00:32:32,559
Trump came into office in twenty sixteen.

692
00:32:32,880 --> 00:32:34,440
Speaker 1: Everybody who kind of thought it.

693
00:32:34,440 --> 00:32:37,680
Speaker 3: Had like some sort of like legitimate legitimacy and respect.

694
00:32:38,119 --> 00:32:41,400
Speaker 1: They don't anymore. It's like that where I didn't know

695
00:32:41,440 --> 00:32:43,119
you could just walk up here and tell the other,

696
00:32:43,279 --> 00:32:44,480
you know, the other people off like.

697
00:32:45,160 --> 00:32:48,200
Speaker 3: That, no one really respects it anymore. The same thing

698
00:32:48,359 --> 00:32:51,519
kind of happened in twenty twenty with the healthcare industry,

699
00:32:51,799 --> 00:32:55,119
is like, yeah, it was was terrible, but people respected it.

700
00:32:55,160 --> 00:32:57,559
Now they don't. And it seems like they're taking a

701
00:32:57,599 --> 00:33:00,720
concerted effort to start kind of tearing down this order

702
00:33:00,759 --> 00:33:04,039
and kind of some way intentionally wake people up to

703
00:33:04,119 --> 00:33:06,559
a little bit of what's going on to do that.

704
00:33:06,680 --> 00:33:10,079
Because I saw I saw yesterday that the dude from

705
00:33:10,119 --> 00:33:13,079
the Young Turks Chank however you say his last.

706
00:33:12,960 --> 00:33:14,160
Speaker 1: Name, I'd say his name.

707
00:33:14,400 --> 00:33:16,720
Speaker 3: He he came out and said that he doesn't believe

708
00:33:16,759 --> 00:33:20,920
the official story of nine to eleven anymore. It's like

709
00:33:21,160 --> 00:33:23,880
that dude, It's like if anybody knows who he is

710
00:33:23,880 --> 00:33:26,920
is a freakin' moron, Like he is not a smart person,

711
00:33:27,559 --> 00:33:30,519
and like if he's waking up to like nine eleven

712
00:33:30,599 --> 00:33:32,680
was an inside job, we probably have a little bit

713
00:33:32,720 --> 00:33:33,400
of an issue.

714
00:33:33,519 --> 00:33:36,559
Speaker 2: You know. They want to bring in a new world order.

715
00:33:36,640 --> 00:33:38,640
They want to bring in like this one world government.

716
00:33:39,039 --> 00:33:42,519
Speaker 3: I think something to that effect is it seems like

717
00:33:42,559 --> 00:33:45,079
we are in a transition period and there is some

718
00:33:45,160 --> 00:33:49,279
type of new societal order that's coming down the pipe.

719
00:33:49,319 --> 00:33:53,079
There's some type of that they want to reconstruct this

720
00:33:53,359 --> 00:33:56,279
in some way, shape or form. Not really sure how,

721
00:33:57,400 --> 00:33:59,839
but it seems like they've kind of done away with

722
00:34:00,200 --> 00:34:04,839
what they have set up. And it's almost because it's

723
00:34:04,839 --> 00:34:06,680
by nature, because it's like, you know, the whole idea

724
00:34:06,720 --> 00:34:09,199
of like you go into like the financial system and

725
00:34:09,239 --> 00:34:11,639
the corporate system, like the idea of the American dream

726
00:34:11,760 --> 00:34:15,239
is gone in that system. Everybody kind of recognizes it.

727
00:34:15,559 --> 00:34:17,559
And if people don't, like if people don't have their

728
00:34:17,559 --> 00:34:22,079
faith in that, it can't sustain itself. So it you know,

729
00:34:23,119 --> 00:34:25,679
and that's kind of why I think, you know, this

730
00:34:25,719 --> 00:34:28,679
Epstein thing is dropping when it when it has because

731
00:34:28,679 --> 00:34:31,639
it's like they've given us too many golden apples already,

732
00:34:32,079 --> 00:34:34,599
like in what I've seen, and I know you've probably

733
00:34:34,679 --> 00:34:36,440
done like a lot more of a deep dive research

734
00:34:36,480 --> 00:34:39,159
I've seen that you've done like a multi part series

735
00:34:39,199 --> 00:34:42,599
on your channel on this is Like yeah, so it's

736
00:34:42,599 --> 00:34:46,599
like they've given they've kind of given us a lot

737
00:34:47,119 --> 00:34:48,960
that we already knew, and like they're kind of like

738
00:34:49,039 --> 00:34:53,000
telling you and it it it seems a little bit

739
00:34:53,039 --> 00:34:55,599
too good to be to be true, you know, I

740
00:34:55,599 --> 00:34:56,199
think it's.

741
00:34:56,079 --> 00:34:58,280
Speaker 2: Just to distract us from something else.

742
00:34:58,639 --> 00:35:01,760
Speaker 1: Right, Yeah, Well, and like to your point, Danny, like

743
00:35:01,800 --> 00:35:04,840
it's very obvious that all of the people nothing's gonna

744
00:35:04,840 --> 00:35:06,760
happen to the people implicated in any like it's it's

745
00:35:06,960 --> 00:35:08,880
you know, it would be ridiculous to think there is

746
00:35:09,280 --> 00:35:11,559
what a great way to kind of kind of show off, right,

747
00:35:11,679 --> 00:35:13,760
like super great way to show.

748
00:35:13,519 --> 00:35:18,000
Speaker 2: Off, right, like they can just I don't know, I

749
00:35:18,039 --> 00:35:19,280
think that it's strategic.

750
00:35:19,400 --> 00:35:19,840
Speaker 3: I just.

751
00:35:21,360 --> 00:35:23,000
Speaker 2: I could under I could see what you're saying, John,

752
00:35:23,079 --> 00:35:25,440
Like I could see that they're like they're trying to

753
00:35:26,480 --> 00:35:29,039
destroy what is current that way they can roll in

754
00:35:29,079 --> 00:35:32,159
the next thing. But I don't think it's like a

755
00:35:32,199 --> 00:35:35,599
good thing. I think at all about what the next

756
00:35:35,639 --> 00:35:39,159
thing is not at all, because like, if our system

757
00:35:39,320 --> 00:35:43,119
as we know it is already this corrupt, right, what

758
00:35:43,159 --> 00:35:44,079
are they going to do next?

759
00:35:44,280 --> 00:35:47,599
Speaker 1: Right? Oh? Yeah, it's terrifying, especially that in conjunction with

760
00:35:47,639 --> 00:35:50,360
this whole like well with the the how imminent, like

761
00:35:50,400 --> 00:35:52,960
all this disclosure stuff appears to be plus we add

762
00:35:52,960 --> 00:35:55,159
in like the Board of Peace and all that nonsense.

763
00:35:55,199 --> 00:35:58,719
Like it it's it's a little I'm uncomfortable, that's the

764
00:35:58,800 --> 00:36:01,159
nice way to say that. I'm wildly uncomfortable.

765
00:36:03,320 --> 00:36:06,599
Speaker 2: If you're not uncomfortable, you're not paying attention, right, Yeah,

766
00:36:07,199 --> 00:36:10,239
if you're not outraged, you're not paying attention. If you're not.

767
00:36:10,719 --> 00:36:13,639
But then you have all these people they're like, oh

768
00:36:13,679 --> 00:36:15,559
it's the right, Oh it's the left. And I'm like,

769
00:36:15,679 --> 00:36:19,039
you are clearly not paying attention that it's every single

770
00:36:19,239 --> 00:36:22,599
political figure out there. And then I like had a

771
00:36:22,639 --> 00:36:24,599
serious conversation with my husband. I was like, I think

772
00:36:24,599 --> 00:36:27,239
I should run for office, and he's like, they won't

773
00:36:27,320 --> 00:36:29,159
vote you in, and I was like, I'm gonna run

774
00:36:29,400 --> 00:36:31,320
on the fact that I won't tell you lie. I'll

775
00:36:31,320 --> 00:36:34,559
just be honest and I'm not a pedophile. That's it.

776
00:36:34,719 --> 00:36:36,599
I can't promise anything else. And I'll tell you my

777
00:36:36,599 --> 00:36:38,440
whole background. It's not great, but i'll tell you what

778
00:36:38,480 --> 00:36:40,519
it is. Like, I'm not gonna lie to you, and

779
00:36:40,559 --> 00:36:42,360
I'm not a pedophile and that's all I can offer.

780
00:36:42,880 --> 00:36:44,039
But I'm going to run for office.

781
00:36:44,039 --> 00:36:47,719
Speaker 3: And he was like, that's a pretty good campaign slogan.

782
00:36:49,000 --> 00:36:52,280
Speaker 1: Yeah, objectively, it is a good campaign slogan. I think

783
00:36:52,400 --> 00:36:54,360
not being a pedophile might get you bumped from the ticket.

784
00:36:54,400 --> 00:36:56,280
I don't think you can. I don't think.

785
00:36:57,719 --> 00:37:02,440
Speaker 2: Yeah, tell the truth both things. They're like, ooh, yeah,

786
00:37:02,440 --> 00:37:04,760
you can't have somebody in here not lying.

787
00:37:06,199 --> 00:37:10,679
Speaker 1: Right, It's very true. It's very true. H Yeah, it does.

788
00:37:10,760 --> 00:37:12,679
It does seem to be very like, I don't know,

789
00:37:12,719 --> 00:37:15,360
it feels like they're they're showing off. It does feel

790
00:37:15,400 --> 00:37:19,239
like they're slipping something else in the mix. And I

791
00:37:19,239 --> 00:37:21,599
don't know, maybe I'm just too to understand what it is.

792
00:37:21,719 --> 00:37:23,679
I just I have no clue what it could be,

793
00:37:23,840 --> 00:37:25,760
any any thoughts on what they're you know, what the

794
00:37:25,800 --> 00:37:28,559
next play is while we're in this space.

795
00:37:29,280 --> 00:37:32,679
Speaker 2: No, that's the problem is like I haven't fully figured

796
00:37:32,679 --> 00:37:35,199
it out, and I feel like that with everything, and

797
00:37:35,239 --> 00:37:36,920
I think that's why I get a little frustrated. Because

798
00:37:36,920 --> 00:37:39,519
I'm like, I don't know why they're doing this. Like

799
00:37:39,559 --> 00:37:41,079
there are some things where I'm like, okay, like that

800
00:37:41,119 --> 00:37:42,480
makes sense, but there are other things where I'm like,

801
00:37:42,840 --> 00:37:45,400
what the heck is happening? Like why are we doing it?

802
00:37:45,440 --> 00:37:47,840
Like why is this happening? Because like the minute, like

803
00:37:47,920 --> 00:37:50,119
more Epstein files came out, I was like, they're trying

804
00:37:50,159 --> 00:37:52,639
to distract us, but what what is happening that's so

805
00:37:52,840 --> 00:37:57,119
big that they need us this distracted? Whereas like at

806
00:37:57,119 --> 00:38:01,159
the same time in Canada there was a school shooting

807
00:38:01,679 --> 00:38:04,480
and they the suspect was transgender, and I was like,

808
00:38:04,480 --> 00:38:09,199
they're distracting you people too, right, Like it's not just us,

809
00:38:09,400 --> 00:38:14,320
they're distracting a bunch everybody because it's like having a

810
00:38:14,360 --> 00:38:17,920
freaking melt down over there too. And the UK's got

811
00:38:17,920 --> 00:38:21,960
a got an immigrant problem. Not they're not immigrants, they're illegals.

812
00:38:23,239 --> 00:38:28,159
They got a terrorist problem. So they got like everybody

813
00:38:28,239 --> 00:38:31,320
is distracted by something that way they can they're doing

814
00:38:31,360 --> 00:38:33,840
something behind the scenes and it's big yeah.

815
00:38:34,719 --> 00:38:38,159
Speaker 1: Yeah. And if you make people's lives just difficult enough,

816
00:38:39,079 --> 00:38:43,079
they're like, we have enough comfort right to want to

817
00:38:43,119 --> 00:38:46,320
stay where we are and things are just difficult enough

818
00:38:46,360 --> 00:38:48,679
to not have the time to realize what the hell

819
00:38:48,760 --> 00:38:50,360
is going on around us, Like it's it's it is

820
00:38:50,400 --> 00:38:54,639
a very well, you know, it's it's a very well uh,

821
00:38:54,679 --> 00:38:59,119
what's the term I'm looking for here, Uh, gosh, well

822
00:38:59,159 --> 00:39:02,880
executed plan, Yes, very well executed, very well tuned, Like

823
00:39:02,920 --> 00:39:06,800
it's very well tuned to put people in that kind

824
00:39:06,800 --> 00:39:09,519
of place like you're you're too you know, you're you're

825
00:39:09,519 --> 00:39:12,920
too sad going home to you know, like you can't

826
00:39:12,920 --> 00:39:14,920
make enough money to really have the home you like

827
00:39:15,079 --> 00:39:18,039
or a backyard. You know, you probably, like half the

828
00:39:18,039 --> 00:39:21,320
married people I know Loki, like hate their spouse. Your

829
00:39:21,400 --> 00:39:24,679
kids are turning into act going to public school, right

830
00:39:24,800 --> 00:39:26,760
and you know you want to steal three minutes of

831
00:39:26,760 --> 00:39:28,480
Hollow X to see with a glass of wine at

832
00:39:28,480 --> 00:39:30,000
the end of the night, to try to pretend like

833
00:39:30,039 --> 00:39:33,360
there's something to wake up for tomorrow. But you're just

834
00:39:33,400 --> 00:39:36,280
comfortable enough because you got Netflix. So that's nice, That's

835
00:39:36,360 --> 00:39:37,960
that's nice, right.

836
00:39:39,079 --> 00:39:43,599
Speaker 2: And then reprogramming you right, Oh my gosh.

837
00:39:43,639 --> 00:39:45,280
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's another thing I wanted to ask you about.

838
00:39:45,440 --> 00:39:48,079
How much reprogramming is going on in the media right now.

839
00:39:48,079 --> 00:39:51,320
I know you've covered like Monarch and Kultra all that

840
00:39:51,400 --> 00:39:54,440
stuff is. Can I turn on my TV? Do I

841
00:39:54,519 --> 00:39:57,360
need to just leave it off? What are your thoughts

842
00:39:57,400 --> 00:39:57,719
on that?

843
00:39:58,559 --> 00:40:01,960
Speaker 2: It's I'm having a hard time with this one because

844
00:40:02,079 --> 00:40:05,159
every single time I watch something, I'm like, ooh, there's

845
00:40:05,199 --> 00:40:08,440
the agenda. Here it is. And then I have a

846
00:40:08,440 --> 00:40:10,320
really hard time because I have small kids, and there

847
00:40:10,320 --> 00:40:12,280
are times that I'm like, just watch a movie so

848
00:40:12,400 --> 00:40:15,559
I don't have to think for five seconds, like I

849
00:40:15,760 --> 00:40:18,519
just need to make dinner, right, Like I just need

850
00:40:18,559 --> 00:40:20,639
to not chop a finger off while you guys are

851
00:40:20,679 --> 00:40:24,199
screaming in my ears. So just watch a movie. And

852
00:40:24,239 --> 00:40:27,440
then every single movie they watch, I'm like, oh, I

853
00:40:27,440 --> 00:40:30,079
can't let you watch that because they're trying to teach

854
00:40:30,079 --> 00:40:31,559
you this thing. I can't let you watch this because

855
00:40:31,559 --> 00:40:32,880
they're trying to do that. I can't let you watch

856
00:40:32,880 --> 00:40:34,559
anything on Disney because they're all pedophiles. And I can't

857
00:40:34,599 --> 00:40:36,639
let you watch anything on Nickelodeon because they're all pedophiles.

858
00:40:36,679 --> 00:40:38,760
And everybody that owns Netflix is a pedophile, and everybody

859
00:40:38,800 --> 00:40:40,599
that owns everything is a pedophile. So I can't actually

860
00:40:40,679 --> 00:40:43,800
let you watch anything, right, So then I'm like, Okay,

861
00:40:43,920 --> 00:40:49,400
go play outside. Yeah, so, but I we can't always

862
00:40:49,400 --> 00:40:51,280
like when it snows, like they have to like there

863
00:40:51,320 --> 00:40:52,599
has to be a give and a take. And so

864
00:40:52,800 --> 00:40:54,400
I'm having this really hard time in my life where

865
00:40:54,440 --> 00:40:59,960
I'm like, like, I'm aware enough to like watch something

866
00:41:00,079 --> 00:41:02,599
be like this is what they're trying to do, whereas

867
00:41:02,639 --> 00:41:05,280
I think a lot of adults still aren't even that wake.

868
00:41:05,400 --> 00:41:08,000
So they like see this and they're like, oh, that's crazy.

869
00:41:09,440 --> 00:41:13,320
With my kids, I'm just very particular. I watch whatever

870
00:41:13,400 --> 00:41:15,840
I allow them to watch. I've watched it before. I

871
00:41:15,840 --> 00:41:17,679
don't let them just watch whatever they want to watch,

872
00:41:17,800 --> 00:41:19,320
and then they'll watch the same thing like over and

873
00:41:19,320 --> 00:41:21,519
over and over. I'm like, this movie is approved, and

874
00:41:21,559 --> 00:41:25,639
you can watch that on repeat until you've got it memorized.

875
00:41:25,639 --> 00:41:28,159
Speaker 1: Right, and until you've had it memorized too, because they

876
00:41:28,199 --> 00:41:29,760
don't stop repeating it, right.

877
00:41:30,239 --> 00:41:33,119
Speaker 2: But it's better than the alternative. It's better than like

878
00:41:33,199 --> 00:41:35,360
whatever they've chosen to turn on that day because they

879
00:41:35,360 --> 00:41:37,119
saw it on Netflix or they saw it on Disney

880
00:41:37,119 --> 00:41:39,239
Plus and they're like, ooh, this might be fun. But

881
00:41:39,960 --> 00:41:43,800
my kids, I'm actually very fortunate. Like my son, he's four,

882
00:41:43,880 --> 00:41:46,719
he really likes to watch how it's made, like the

883
00:41:46,760 --> 00:41:50,280
old How It's Made show and loves it. He likes

884
00:41:50,280 --> 00:41:55,880
to watch Matt's off Road Recovery on YouTube, so that's good.

885
00:41:55,960 --> 00:41:58,920
He likes to watch Monster.

886
00:41:58,679 --> 00:42:00,880
Speaker 1: Trucks Gonna be a Man's Man.

887
00:42:00,960 --> 00:42:04,920
Speaker 2: Yeah, well yeah, that's the point. So then like we're like, okay,

888
00:42:04,960 --> 00:42:06,719
like these are good things or documentaries. He loves to

889
00:42:06,719 --> 00:42:09,199
watch shark documentaries, so we're like, Okay, these are really

890
00:42:09,480 --> 00:42:13,159
solid things that you can watch. You don't know who

891
00:42:13,239 --> 00:42:15,360
created them, you don't know all the backs story like

892
00:42:15,400 --> 00:42:17,400
I do, but like these are solid things that like

893
00:42:17,920 --> 00:42:19,679
you can watch how It's made and all the day long,

894
00:42:19,679 --> 00:42:21,840
and then he'll tell me how something is made. For

895
00:42:21,920 --> 00:42:24,960
the rest of his life, I will know. And then

896
00:42:25,000 --> 00:42:27,840
he'll ask me how is this made? Today? He said,

897
00:42:27,880 --> 00:42:30,360
how is sausage made? And I was like, I think

898
00:42:30,400 --> 00:42:34,480
it's just all the leftover pork my guy? Right, Oh,

899
00:42:34,679 --> 00:42:37,159
can we watch a video on how sausage is made?

900
00:42:37,199 --> 00:42:39,639
And I was like, yeah, sure, let's do it. So

901
00:42:40,159 --> 00:42:41,400
I don't know, it's it's hard.

902
00:42:44,280 --> 00:42:48,960
Speaker 1: That's awesome. I love that. I love that, like, especially

903
00:42:49,039 --> 00:42:52,199
parents were willing to entertain all of those questions, Like

904
00:42:52,239 --> 00:42:54,480
that's that is a good thing to have. That's awesome.

905
00:42:55,000 --> 00:42:59,159
I absolutely love that. I'm curious, how potent do you

906
00:42:59,239 --> 00:43:02,559
think a lot of that programming is in the media,

907
00:43:02,719 --> 00:43:06,280
Like how obviously there's a scale, right, not everything is,

908
00:43:07,119 --> 00:43:10,280
you know, like watching The Manchurian Candidate on repeat or whatever.

909
00:43:10,320 --> 00:43:14,840
But how potent do you think? You know your average?

910
00:43:15,079 --> 00:43:18,960
You know, like, is it all just super intense programming

911
00:43:19,119 --> 00:43:21,679
or yeah, what thoughts?

912
00:43:22,000 --> 00:43:26,039
Speaker 2: I think it's getting worse. I don't know. It's hard

913
00:43:26,039 --> 00:43:28,079
to know because I'm living now and I'm not living

914
00:43:28,119 --> 00:43:29,920
in the eighties or the nineties. Like when I go

915
00:43:30,159 --> 00:43:32,199
back and watch those shows, I don't see it as much.

916
00:43:32,440 --> 00:43:33,960
But is it because it's not there or is it

917
00:43:33,960 --> 00:43:36,760
because I'm not recognizing it? You know what I'm saying, Like,

918
00:43:36,800 --> 00:43:40,199
I don't know because I don't know what was really

919
00:43:40,239 --> 00:43:45,360
prevalent at that time, right, So, like anything that comes

920
00:43:45,400 --> 00:43:48,000
out now, I'm like, Okay, I see what's happening. But

921
00:43:48,079 --> 00:43:51,599
anything that comes out like before I was aware of

922
00:43:51,920 --> 00:43:56,440
the world, it's really hard for me to figure that out.

923
00:43:56,880 --> 00:44:00,599
I guess not really hard, really hard relative it depends

924
00:44:00,599 --> 00:44:03,079
on the movie. True, I'm watching it like The Breakfast Club,

925
00:44:03,119 --> 00:44:05,039
which I've never seen that, but like as an example,

926
00:44:05,079 --> 00:44:08,039
I'm watching Breakfast Club, like I don't know what they're

927
00:44:08,079 --> 00:44:10,599
trying to get across versus like what they would be

928
00:44:10,599 --> 00:44:12,800
trying to get across now if they recreated.

929
00:44:12,320 --> 00:44:15,599
Speaker 1: It, right. You know, it's a good point. That's a

930
00:44:15,639 --> 00:44:17,360
really good point. I know, at least like for me

931
00:44:17,440 --> 00:44:21,400
when I watch some of those older shows. The one

932
00:44:21,480 --> 00:44:23,719
thing that I really pick up on in ones that

933
00:44:23,800 --> 00:44:27,960
just aren't like overtly culty is just the slow degradation

934
00:44:28,440 --> 00:44:31,440
of like the family unit and family values over over

935
00:44:31,480 --> 00:44:33,920
the decades. Yeah, and it's really really slow, Like we

936
00:44:33,960 --> 00:44:37,639
start out with, which I've I'm been telling on myself here.

937
00:44:37,639 --> 00:44:40,119
I don't think I've ever seen Andy Griffith like in

938
00:44:40,159 --> 00:44:43,360
my life because my parents had like four channels. We

939
00:44:43,440 --> 00:44:45,320
lived in the middle of a town. We were not Amish,

940
00:44:45,320 --> 00:44:47,880
but we had like four channels in the late nineties.

941
00:44:48,199 --> 00:44:51,599
I don't know how we pulled it off. But so

942
00:44:51,639 --> 00:44:53,880
I've never seen Anty Griffith. But we go from like

943
00:44:53,960 --> 00:44:57,760
that right to you know, some of the more like

944
00:44:58,000 --> 00:45:03,280
progressive for the time things like hell, I don't even know, uh,

945
00:45:03,320 --> 00:45:04,880
but then now you know, then we have friends and

946
00:45:05,039 --> 00:45:07,159
like the advent of like a lot of a lot

947
00:45:07,159 --> 00:45:09,920
of just like, you know, everybody's having sex with each other,

948
00:45:10,440 --> 00:45:12,840
nobody cares. If like you have a kid, like a

949
00:45:12,920 --> 00:45:16,239
random kid, nobody nobody cares. And it's this really slow

950
00:45:16,400 --> 00:45:19,199
degradation of family values over time that like I for one,

951
00:45:19,239 --> 00:45:23,039
would not notice over the you know, six decades it's

952
00:45:23,079 --> 00:45:26,280
taken to go from that to Real Housewives. You know,

953
00:45:26,360 --> 00:45:29,679
like we've made it a long way in six decades,

954
00:45:29,920 --> 00:45:32,760
but that's long enough that we don't notice the yardstick

955
00:45:32,800 --> 00:45:33,480
moving over time.

956
00:45:34,159 --> 00:45:36,599
Speaker 2: Well, now you have these shows which like I'm not

957
00:45:36,599 --> 00:45:38,280
trying to like bash on the people that are in

958
00:45:38,320 --> 00:45:40,400
these shows or whatever, but like the Secret Lives of

959
00:45:40,440 --> 00:45:43,480
Mormon Wives. You've got these right, yeah, that are supposed

960
00:45:43,559 --> 00:45:45,559
to be Mormon, And I don't know much about the

961
00:45:45,559 --> 00:45:48,840
Mormon community, but from the Morns that I've met, they're

962
00:45:48,960 --> 00:45:51,199
very conservative and they're not very like they're not out

963
00:45:51,199 --> 00:45:53,119
there like that. And then you have this show like

964
00:45:53,400 --> 00:45:57,360
making these Mormons seem like like if I didn't they

965
00:45:57,480 --> 00:45:59,519
if the name of the show wasn't Secret Lives of

966
00:45:59,559 --> 00:46:01,679
Mormon Wives, I would not know that they were ever

967
00:46:01,719 --> 00:46:05,320
Mormon because of like the way that they present themselves

968
00:46:05,360 --> 00:46:07,800
and the way that they're just like screwing each other's husbands.

969
00:46:07,800 --> 00:46:09,519
They're not screwing each other's husbands, but they're screwing other

970
00:46:09,519 --> 00:46:12,400
people's husbands. They're screwing other people like they're doing all

971
00:46:12,400 --> 00:46:15,440
these crazy things. They have all these parties, and they're

972
00:46:15,480 --> 00:46:17,480
sober the whole time because they're Mormon and they're not

973
00:46:17,599 --> 00:46:20,719
drinking alcohol. And I'm like, the sober Yeah, did you know?

974
00:46:20,800 --> 00:46:21,559
You did not know that?

975
00:46:21,880 --> 00:46:25,199
Speaker 1: I know. I just assumed if they're if they're, if they're,

976
00:46:25,239 --> 00:46:27,679
if they're blowing everyone, they're gonna be drinking, like you know,

977
00:46:27,760 --> 00:46:29,400
I got. I just assumed.

978
00:46:30,159 --> 00:46:34,679
Speaker 2: Nope, not drinking. They're drinking their sodas ah, but they

979
00:46:34,719 --> 00:46:40,000
do ketamine drips or not. Like I don't know, infusions

980
00:46:40,079 --> 00:46:42,920
or whatever. I don't know. I don't understand the rules

981
00:46:42,960 --> 00:46:45,760
of being a Mormon, I guess, right, because I'm not one.

982
00:46:45,920 --> 00:46:52,679
But I just think, like, but even in like paw patrol, Right,

983
00:46:52,719 --> 00:46:54,800
So my son's super into paw patrol, my younger son,

984
00:46:55,400 --> 00:46:57,840
and you've got like the leader of the paw Patrol.

985
00:46:57,920 --> 00:47:00,159
This is so funny. His name is Chase. He the

986
00:47:00,159 --> 00:47:05,159
German shepherd, and he is like the cop dog. Each

987
00:47:05,199 --> 00:47:06,920
dog has like a role and his role is like

988
00:47:06,960 --> 00:47:10,199
the cop dog. Well, he has a drone, so sometimes

989
00:47:10,239 --> 00:47:12,760
he can tell his drone to go up and then

990
00:47:12,800 --> 00:47:14,760
they can find what they're looking for with their drone.

991
00:47:14,800 --> 00:47:16,960
And I like, so they're they're encouraging that we spy

992
00:47:17,039 --> 00:47:22,800
on each other. Like I don't know. We can go

993
00:47:22,800 --> 00:47:26,159
down the Paw Patrol all day long, but I've got

994
00:47:26,320 --> 00:47:28,400
I he asks me questions or he tries to tell

995
00:47:28,440 --> 00:47:30,199
me about Pop Patrol. I'm like, yeah, so how come

996
00:47:30,239 --> 00:47:32,920
Mayor Humdinger is always bad and Mayor good Way is

997
00:47:32,920 --> 00:47:36,199
always good? And he's like, I don't know. And I

998
00:47:36,239 --> 00:47:37,599
was like, yeah, go back and watch some more Pop

999
00:47:37,599 --> 00:47:39,119
Patrol and come back to answer my questions.

1000
00:47:40,280 --> 00:47:42,760
Speaker 1: We're learning conspiracy lesson from Paw Patrol. I love that.

1001
00:47:42,880 --> 00:47:46,480
Speaker 2: No, he's learning how to question things because Mayor Humdinger

1002
00:47:46,519 --> 00:47:48,559
has cats but they don't talk, but Mayor Goodway has

1003
00:47:48,599 --> 00:47:51,480
dogs and they do talk. Oh that's you know, Like

1004
00:47:51,679 --> 00:47:55,480
I'm just trying to like like think about some things, right,

1005
00:47:56,639 --> 00:47:58,360
Like you want to talk about Paw Patrol, Let's do it,

1006
00:47:58,400 --> 00:48:00,760
my guy, but like let's ask some ques questions about it.

1007
00:48:01,840 --> 00:48:03,639
Speaker 1: And that's so much more along the lines of the

1008
00:48:03,679 --> 00:48:06,559
way honestly, like the way people used to teach like

1009
00:48:06,719 --> 00:48:08,920
their children or teach other people like that. That is

1010
00:48:09,000 --> 00:48:11,440
essentially the Socratic method applied to a three year old

1011
00:48:11,519 --> 00:48:13,719
or however old he is, Like that is what that is,

1012
00:48:14,320 --> 00:48:17,880
and people pass on that all day long. I think

1013
00:48:17,880 --> 00:48:20,360
that's part of the reason, probably if I had to

1014
00:48:20,400 --> 00:48:24,639
guess why, one of the bigger reasons why we have

1015
00:48:25,280 --> 00:48:28,199
just generation after generation of people who have no clue

1016
00:48:28,239 --> 00:48:31,880
how to even begin to question the mainstream narratives. It's

1017
00:48:31,920 --> 00:48:36,519
started with this slow like degradation to the family unit

1018
00:48:36,559 --> 00:48:39,119
and pass that like we're farming everything off, Like I

1019
00:48:39,159 --> 00:48:40,880
love to hear that your kids are homeschool. We're farming

1020
00:48:40,920 --> 00:48:45,679
everything off to the government. You're asking you're quite literally

1021
00:48:45,920 --> 00:48:53,320
asking an organization full of pedophiles, liars, and murderers to

1022
00:48:53,440 --> 00:48:54,320
educate your child.

1023
00:48:55,679 --> 00:48:59,039
Speaker 2: Well, and I have. I've done a lot of research.

1024
00:48:59,079 --> 00:49:01,559
I've talked to a lot of people. I've heard horror

1025
00:49:01,599 --> 00:49:05,119
stories of like there will be teachers that sell off

1026
00:49:05,159 --> 00:49:08,360
the foster kids in their classes to pedophiles or to

1027
00:49:08,400 --> 00:49:12,039
like human trafficking rings because the parents, like the foster

1028
00:49:12,119 --> 00:49:14,360
parents will just assume that they ran away. They won't

1029
00:49:14,360 --> 00:49:18,039
ask any questions, right, they just like move on. So,

1030
00:49:18,119 --> 00:49:21,159
like you have this like pedophile ring, but it's it

1031
00:49:21,239 --> 00:49:23,280
has infiltrated. And I'm not saying every teacher's like this.

1032
00:49:23,360 --> 00:49:25,719
I definitely do not believe that at all, but it

1033
00:49:25,760 --> 00:49:28,320
does infiltrate all the way to the bottom in some cases.

1034
00:49:29,159 --> 00:49:30,960
But then you start to look at everything I just

1035
00:49:31,079 --> 00:49:34,239
covered Cannon Cook. Cannon Cook is a Christian summer camp

1036
00:49:34,480 --> 00:49:38,320
in Branson, Missouri that is one of the like premier

1037
00:49:38,440 --> 00:49:42,000
summer camps. Like everybody from anybody that has money that's

1038
00:49:42,000 --> 00:49:44,800
a Christian is sending their kids to Cannon Cook and

1039
00:49:44,840 --> 00:49:49,079
they're sexually abusing your children. And then they're blaming it

1040
00:49:49,119 --> 00:49:52,000
on your children. They're saying, oh, that kid, he was

1041
00:49:52,159 --> 00:49:54,320
just gay, so he can't be here because this is

1042
00:49:54,320 --> 00:49:56,039
a Christian camp and they kick him out. But he

1043
00:49:56,159 --> 00:49:59,000
wasn't gay. You assaulted him, he threatened to tell on you.

1044
00:49:59,000 --> 00:50:00,960
You called him gay, called his parents and told them

1045
00:50:00,960 --> 00:50:05,960
to go home. Like it's infiltrating everything. And when people

1046
00:50:06,000 --> 00:50:08,360
don't realize that, they're like, oh, the world's safe. I'm

1047
00:50:08,360 --> 00:50:10,519
like the world is not safe. The world's more dangerous

1048
00:50:10,519 --> 00:50:15,320
than it's ever been. Yeah, now it's everybody's a predator.

1049
00:50:18,000 --> 00:50:20,039
Speaker 1: Gosh, how do you think we got to that point?

1050
00:50:20,119 --> 00:50:24,639
Like all of these what should ideally be or have been,

1051
00:50:24,920 --> 00:50:29,840
like bastions of something wholesome, right, because you see it

1052
00:50:29,880 --> 00:50:35,480
a lot in religious organizations. Pick your favorite, like how

1053
00:50:35,519 --> 00:50:37,639
did we make it to a point where those are

1054
00:50:37,760 --> 00:50:41,199
often some of the worst, the worst places, and in

1055
00:50:41,320 --> 00:50:44,119
freaking summer camp, Like that's so mass.

1056
00:50:44,159 --> 00:50:47,199
Speaker 2: You don't question them, you don't. You don't question them

1057
00:50:47,239 --> 00:50:50,159
because they are a Christian or they're Catholic, or their

1058
00:50:50,199 --> 00:50:55,400
Mormon or their insert religious entity. Right, they are who

1059
00:50:55,400 --> 00:50:58,440
they say they are, except when they're not. You trust

1060
00:50:58,519 --> 00:51:01,559
your kids with them because of the title that they

1061
00:51:01,639 --> 00:51:05,519
have been given, whether it's earned or not, you don't know.

1062
00:51:06,079 --> 00:51:08,760
A lot of the times a Christian or like any

1063
00:51:08,880 --> 00:51:11,239
religious entity will try to cover it up because they

1064
00:51:11,239 --> 00:51:14,800
don't want that bad mark on them, which happened with Cannonicook,

1065
00:51:14,800 --> 00:51:17,079
but happens the Boy Scouts of America, happens with the

1066
00:51:17,079 --> 00:51:20,199
Catholic Church, happens all over the place, right, Like, they'll

1067
00:51:20,199 --> 00:51:21,880
cover it up because they're like, we don't want to

1068
00:51:21,920 --> 00:51:24,280
be known or be affiliated with this. But then when

1069
00:51:24,280 --> 00:51:26,280
it does come out, it's way worse than it was

1070
00:51:26,320 --> 00:51:28,039
because you didn't nip it in the butt. You didn't

1071
00:51:28,079 --> 00:51:31,119
show the world that you are not going to allow this.

1072
00:51:31,239 --> 00:51:32,679
You just let let it keep happening.

1073
00:51:33,280 --> 00:51:33,559
Speaker 1: Right.

1074
00:51:33,880 --> 00:51:36,599
Speaker 2: But then also, like kids will come back from a

1075
00:51:36,840 --> 00:51:39,440
like a religious summer camp, and they're going to be

1076
00:51:39,519 --> 00:51:41,800
changed a little bit, especially like I can only speak

1077
00:51:41,800 --> 00:51:45,239
from like a Christian perspective because that's what I identify as.

1078
00:51:45,239 --> 00:51:48,360
But like, if you go there and you find like

1079
00:51:48,440 --> 00:51:51,440
a deeper love for Christ, like you're going to come

1080
00:51:51,480 --> 00:51:56,000
back changed. Yeah, But if you come back changed, then

1081
00:51:56,039 --> 00:51:57,920
it's not because you found a deeper love for Christ,

1082
00:51:57,960 --> 00:52:00,320
but rather because other things happen to you while you

1083
00:52:00,320 --> 00:52:02,920
were there. Your parents won't know the difference.

1084
00:52:04,360 --> 00:52:09,480
Speaker 1: Oh that's heavy. And and one of the reasons I

1085
00:52:09,599 --> 00:52:13,199
find that so desperately heavy is because I went to

1086
00:52:13,280 --> 00:52:16,079
several of those growing up, because I grew up in

1087
00:52:16,119 --> 00:52:19,639
like this this you know, painfully conservative uh like pseudo

1088
00:52:19,719 --> 00:52:26,920
religious environment. And uh to me, it seems like your

1089
00:52:27,039 --> 00:52:30,559
your options are engaging in what I would we just

1090
00:52:30,639 --> 00:52:32,039
had to talk about like the five oh one c

1091
00:52:32,159 --> 00:52:34,039
three church system and a lot of that a couple

1092
00:52:34,079 --> 00:52:38,719
of days ago. Yeah, and you know, my concern and

1093
00:52:39,360 --> 00:52:41,000
you know, maybe you can speak to this a little bit.

1094
00:52:41,000 --> 00:52:46,119
And then a is even if you are changed, like

1095
00:52:46,199 --> 00:52:49,079
what what are you allowing to change you in those instances?

1096
00:52:49,199 --> 00:52:52,639
Because from my perspective, a lot of these uh, like

1097
00:52:52,800 --> 00:52:58,280
large scale religious organizations are if they're not slowly turning

1098
00:52:58,320 --> 00:53:01,800
into something satanic that you know, they're they're certainly thinking

1099
00:53:01,800 --> 00:53:03,599
about heading that way in the way that they've been

1100
00:53:03,760 --> 00:53:06,840
co opted by these evil government entities, like they're essentially

1101
00:53:06,880 --> 00:53:11,719
corporations working for themselves and the government, and so yeah,

1102
00:53:11,760 --> 00:53:14,239
your kid's gonna come back changed and maybe maybe they

1103
00:53:14,280 --> 00:53:16,679
didn't get you know, rape or sexually abused or whatever,

1104
00:53:16,920 --> 00:53:19,840
but like what are what are they allowing to change them?

1105
00:53:20,039 --> 00:53:22,239
And and it's one of those weird areas where like

1106
00:53:22,800 --> 00:53:25,400
the more cause I kind of kind of worked away

1107
00:53:25,480 --> 00:53:29,039
from the faith aspect of things for a long time,

1108
00:53:29,119 --> 00:53:31,159
getting into like the truth community because it was I

1109
00:53:31,199 --> 00:53:33,239
was tired of all the all the all the right.

1110
00:53:33,679 --> 00:53:36,119
And one of the things I've noticed like getting into

1111
00:53:36,119 --> 00:53:38,360
this world is everything does point back as far as

1112
00:53:38,360 --> 00:53:40,320
I'm concerned, and I'd be interested to hear your thoughts

1113
00:53:40,320 --> 00:53:44,119
on this. Everything does kind of point back towards uh,

1114
00:53:44,280 --> 00:53:47,159
you know, towards Christianity, towards the Creator, towards yahweh, towards

1115
00:53:47,159 --> 00:53:49,159
towards g like it all kind of comes back that

1116
00:53:49,239 --> 00:53:51,800
direction if you spend enough time looking at it. But

1117
00:53:51,920 --> 00:53:54,000
a lot of these organizations has been co opted to

1118
00:53:54,000 --> 00:53:58,360
become so twisted on their head from what the ideally

1119
00:53:58,400 --> 00:54:00,480
should be. And so even if your kids go up

1120
00:54:00,480 --> 00:54:02,559
to summer camp and come back change, is that because

1121
00:54:02,599 --> 00:54:05,960
they genuinely, you know, found a new a new love

1122
00:54:05,960 --> 00:54:08,840
and new passion for the Creator. Or is it because

1123
00:54:09,159 --> 00:54:12,760
they've been just a little bit co opted by something

1124
00:54:12,840 --> 00:54:16,639
that's not him? Be it another you know, another spiritual

1125
00:54:16,800 --> 00:54:19,320
entity that's that's kind of present in that place, be

1126
00:54:19,360 --> 00:54:21,000
it an eggreg war which I still don't understand what

1127
00:54:21,039 --> 00:54:23,400
the hell those are, or something to that of that nature,

1128
00:54:23,440 --> 00:54:26,599
you know, like and maybe that's a cynical point of view,

1129
00:54:27,000 --> 00:54:29,239
but that's the kind of thing I'm starting to wonder. Sorry,

1130
00:54:29,280 --> 00:54:30,800
it was a long run, but I'm curious about your

1131
00:54:30,840 --> 00:54:31,360
thoughts on that.

1132
00:54:32,280 --> 00:54:37,880
Speaker 2: So I think it's multifasted. So I think that this

1133
00:54:37,920 --> 00:54:39,800
is gonna get me in a lot of trouble. I

1134
00:54:39,800 --> 00:54:43,199
think that a lot of the like megachurches and even

1135
00:54:43,280 --> 00:54:44,840
like a lot of these summer camps are kind of

1136
00:54:44,880 --> 00:54:49,280
run almost like colts. Yeah, where they're they're almost like brainwashing,

1137
00:54:49,320 --> 00:54:50,800
and whether it's for the good or for the bad,

1138
00:54:50,920 --> 00:54:53,800
Like that's really hard for me to say. I do

1139
00:54:54,000 --> 00:54:58,920
think that the devil's really at work where God is trying,

1140
00:54:59,079 --> 00:55:01,840
like where people are trying to put God first. So

1141
00:55:01,880 --> 00:55:03,760
that makes sense. So like in churches, you see a

1142
00:55:03,800 --> 00:55:05,840
lot of evil happening in churches, and it's because, like

1143
00:55:05,880 --> 00:55:08,039
I think that the devil is really at work there,

1144
00:55:08,920 --> 00:55:11,760
like whereas like outside of a church, like you're already

1145
00:55:11,880 --> 00:55:14,679
not a believer typically, right, Like if you're not like

1146
00:55:15,079 --> 00:55:17,679
regularly going And that's not like a blanket statement, but

1147
00:55:18,239 --> 00:55:21,280
there's plenty of evidence to suggest that if you're not

1148
00:55:21,320 --> 00:55:24,559
going to a church, you're not like necessarily going to

1149
00:55:24,599 --> 00:55:28,119
a specific place to worship a specific thing, then you

1150
00:55:28,320 --> 00:55:31,559
might already have given your life to the devil instead

1151
00:55:31,559 --> 00:55:35,280
of to Christ. And I might not be the best

1152
00:55:35,280 --> 00:55:38,159
person to talk on this particular thing, just because I

1153
00:55:38,159 --> 00:55:41,639
am such a new Christian. Granted I have dug in

1154
00:55:42,000 --> 00:55:45,199
hard because every conspiracy, not everyone, but a lot of

1155
00:55:45,199 --> 00:55:47,800
the conspiracies keep leading back to Satan, and to me,

1156
00:55:48,000 --> 00:55:50,280
if Satan is real. There's no reason that God can't

1157
00:55:50,280 --> 00:55:52,760
be real. And whether it's a Christian God or like

1158
00:55:52,800 --> 00:55:55,119
whatever God, I don't know. I haven't figured that out.

1159
00:55:55,119 --> 00:55:57,679
And that's where like I'm I'm loving my journey because

1160
00:55:57,679 --> 00:56:00,199
I ask so many questions and I don't believe what

1161
00:56:00,199 --> 00:56:03,119
they're telling me. I don't believe. I don't understand why

1162
00:56:03,119 --> 00:56:05,639
there's only sixty six books in the Bible and not

1163
00:56:05,800 --> 00:56:09,360
eighty eight, and why sixty six, specifically from sixty six

1164
00:56:09,440 --> 00:56:11,719
to me seems like a satanic number. And that's like

1165
00:56:11,719 --> 00:56:13,599
a really weird thing that you would put only sixty

1166
00:56:13,599 --> 00:56:15,400
six books and not eighty eight. And they say it's

1167
00:56:15,400 --> 00:56:17,400
about biblical scholars, and I don't have time to get

1168
00:56:17,400 --> 00:56:23,119
into all that. But also I think that back to

1169
00:56:23,159 --> 00:56:24,920
your point, way back, and when I'm going to kind

1170
00:56:24,920 --> 00:56:28,599
of go on a rant here, kids, when kids go

1171
00:56:28,639 --> 00:56:31,840
to camp, whether it's Christian or just a regular summer camp,

1172
00:56:32,280 --> 00:56:34,840
like assuming that they went, they had a great time,

1173
00:56:34,960 --> 00:56:37,280
it was all kosher, everything's good, and then they come

1174
00:56:37,280 --> 00:56:40,280
home they're going to be different regardless because kids are

1175
00:56:40,400 --> 00:56:43,280
very impressionable, very impressiable. So when you go off and

1176
00:56:43,320 --> 00:56:45,760
you come back like something's changed, Like you had this

1177
00:56:45,920 --> 00:56:48,199
fun time, you had this little bit of independence away

1178
00:56:48,199 --> 00:56:51,480
from your parents, You made new friends, you encountered the

1179
00:56:51,480 --> 00:56:52,960
world just in a different way a little bit, and

1180
00:56:53,000 --> 00:56:57,840
so you're gonna change. They love that. They love that idea.

1181
00:56:57,960 --> 00:57:00,639
That's where you get this programming which is happening in

1182
00:57:00,679 --> 00:57:04,320
summer camps, this monarch programming. That's where because you're gonna

1183
00:57:04,320 --> 00:57:07,639
come back again changed. The sexual abuse goes right along

1184
00:57:07,679 --> 00:57:09,719
with that. The fact that a lot of these camps

1185
00:57:09,800 --> 00:57:15,039
are they have ties back to the government. That's where

1186
00:57:15,119 --> 00:57:18,360
you have a really you have got a problem, right,

1187
00:57:18,400 --> 00:57:20,360
It got ties back to the government in some sort

1188
00:57:20,360 --> 00:57:24,280
of way, because the government loves to put their fingers

1189
00:57:24,280 --> 00:57:28,000
in everything. So I don't know if that answered any

1190
00:57:28,000 --> 00:57:31,000
of the questions. I kind of like went crazy there

1191
00:57:31,000 --> 00:57:31,519
for a second.

1192
00:57:31,960 --> 00:57:37,320
Speaker 1: No, that was great. That was great. So I am

1193
00:57:37,440 --> 00:57:40,360
curious about that journey. You said, you're relatively new to

1194
00:57:40,480 --> 00:57:44,920
like the whole idea of Christianity and its root was conspiracy,

1195
00:57:45,039 --> 00:57:46,920
like kind of digging into the conspiracy side of things.

1196
00:57:46,960 --> 00:57:48,360
Can you touch on that a little bit more?

1197
00:57:48,519 --> 00:57:50,400
Speaker 2: Yeah, So I grew up in a household that my

1198
00:57:50,480 --> 00:57:53,400
dad always told me, same dad, that's like the twin towers.

1199
00:57:53,400 --> 00:57:56,119
That's controlled demolition, he said, And that's a that's a

1200
00:57:56,159 --> 00:57:58,559
missile going into the Pentagon. That's not an airplane. And

1201
00:57:58,599 --> 00:58:01,039
I was like, all right, cool, right, I believe you.

1202
00:58:02,599 --> 00:58:05,360
Speaker 1: That's amazing. I can't imagine having that conversation with my father.

1203
00:58:06,079 --> 00:58:06,599
That's a while.

1204
00:58:07,280 --> 00:58:10,239
Speaker 2: I the first anytime I get down, like any rabbit hole,

1205
00:58:10,280 --> 00:58:12,519
I call my dad like, talk to me about this,

1206
00:58:12,719 --> 00:58:16,440
talk to me about that, and he's like, let's go, like,

1207
00:58:16,519 --> 00:58:18,320
let's do things. And we don't always see I at I,

1208
00:58:18,440 --> 00:58:20,280
which is really fun. So sometimes we get to argue

1209
00:58:20,320 --> 00:58:23,360
and sometimes I just let him. I let him have

1210
00:58:23,400 --> 00:58:26,719
his way and I come back and I'm like, you're

1211
00:58:26,920 --> 00:58:30,320
off base there. But so he I grew up in

1212
00:58:30,320 --> 00:58:33,719
a house where he was like people look for God

1213
00:58:33,880 --> 00:58:36,679
when they are lost, and we are not lost people.

1214
00:58:36,719 --> 00:58:38,360
Are you a lost person? I was like no, and

1215
00:58:38,400 --> 00:58:39,559
he's like, then you don't need God.

1216
00:58:39,599 --> 00:58:42,039
Speaker 1: And I was like, okay, some gas lighting a little bit.

1217
00:58:42,079 --> 00:58:43,800
That almost sou wow.

1218
00:58:43,800 --> 00:58:47,480
Speaker 2: So I just always thought to myself like I don't

1219
00:58:47,559 --> 00:58:50,119
I'm good, Like I'm not lost, I don't need God,

1220
00:58:50,199 --> 00:58:54,760
like I've figured it out, which I have not figured

1221
00:58:54,760 --> 00:58:58,239
it out. So that was a lie, but I kept

1222
00:58:58,360 --> 00:59:01,079
doing like research, and the more I would dig in,

1223
00:59:01,119 --> 00:59:02,360
the more I would dig in, the more I was like,

1224
00:59:02,400 --> 00:59:04,800
how come it always leads back to Satan? How come

1225
00:59:04,840 --> 00:59:08,039
it just seems to always get there? Something so evil

1226
00:59:08,480 --> 00:59:10,400
is happening and it just seems to like be in

1227
00:59:10,480 --> 00:59:13,079
every conspiracy, Like there just seems to be this this

1228
00:59:13,239 --> 00:59:16,000
pattern of this evil and so I was like, okay,

1229
00:59:16,079 --> 00:59:18,599
like that's so weird. And around the same time, I

1230
00:59:18,679 --> 00:59:20,400
had started a cult podcast, so I was like, okay,

1231
00:59:21,360 --> 00:59:24,079
Like I was digging into like why would people willingly

1232
00:59:24,280 --> 00:59:27,599
follow somebody about God? Like that to me doesn't make

1233
00:59:28,320 --> 00:59:31,880
any sense, and so I'm like very like I was

1234
00:59:31,880 --> 00:59:37,000
starting to question just everything and then I can't explain

1235
00:59:37,039 --> 00:59:39,239
it except for it was God like put something like

1236
00:59:39,360 --> 00:59:42,800
just pulled on my heart and was like start studying

1237
00:59:42,840 --> 00:59:45,519
the Bible, like just look for me and you'll find me.

1238
00:59:45,559 --> 00:59:48,000
And I was like, okay, Like I called my husband,

1239
00:59:48,519 --> 00:59:50,400
this is a crazy story. I called him up because

1240
00:59:50,400 --> 00:59:52,079
we are We're on the same page when we got married.

1241
00:59:52,079 --> 00:59:55,320
We're like, I don't I don't necessarily believe in God,

1242
00:59:55,360 --> 00:59:57,440
but if there's something there, like cool, like I'm not

1243
00:59:57,480 --> 01:00:00,239
against it, but I'm not necessarily like looking for any thing,

1244
01:00:00,440 --> 01:00:01,719
and he was on the same page as me. We

1245
01:00:01,719 --> 01:00:04,800
were very on track that day that I was like, like,

1246
01:00:04,840 --> 01:00:07,960
I just felt this such like a strong pool on

1247
01:00:08,000 --> 01:00:10,199
my heart. I have to start reading the Bible. I

1248
01:00:10,239 --> 01:00:12,079
have to dig in. I have to figure out who

1249
01:00:12,079 --> 01:00:14,400
this God guy is and why so many people believe

1250
01:00:14,400 --> 01:00:16,440
in him, because there's something there and I can't tell

1251
01:00:16,480 --> 01:00:18,760
you why, Like I needed to do that in that moment.

1252
01:00:18,760 --> 01:00:20,599
So I called my husband. I was like, I need

1253
01:00:20,599 --> 01:00:22,280
to buy a Bible because I really need to start

1254
01:00:22,880 --> 01:00:24,719
reading it. Like I think I just need to start

1255
01:00:24,800 --> 01:00:27,280
reading the Bible. And he was like, wow, I can't

1256
01:00:27,280 --> 01:00:28,599
believe that you just called me and told me that,

1257
01:00:28,639 --> 01:00:31,800
because like I am gonna stop at the store and

1258
01:00:31,800 --> 01:00:35,880
buy a Bible right now. What I was like, okay,

1259
01:00:36,519 --> 01:00:38,119
He's like, yeah, I think, like I need to start

1260
01:00:38,199 --> 01:00:40,840
like learning about like God and learning about this stuff.

1261
01:00:40,880 --> 01:00:43,719
So we were surrounded by Christians all around us. Yeah, and

1262
01:00:43,760 --> 01:00:46,079
so we started asking questions. I was like, how come

1263
01:00:46,119 --> 01:00:48,840
we like, how do we know that Jesus isn't just

1264
01:00:48,920 --> 01:00:50,639
the devil in disguise trying to get us all to

1265
01:00:50,639 --> 01:00:53,840
worship him instead of God? Like how do we know?

1266
01:00:54,159 --> 01:00:56,280
Like I started asking, I didn't know at the time,

1267
01:00:56,400 --> 01:00:58,280
like there are different versions of the Bible. I didn't

1268
01:00:58,320 --> 01:01:02,119
know that there was only like there were eighty eight

1269
01:01:02,119 --> 01:01:04,159
books and then they cut it down to sixty six.

1270
01:01:04,199 --> 01:01:06,119
I didn't know any of this stuff. So everything that

1271
01:01:06,159 --> 01:01:08,519
I know now, it's just because I've like really dug

1272
01:01:08,519 --> 01:01:10,800
in and I've asked like the really hard questions. I've

1273
01:01:10,840 --> 01:01:13,360
been very fortunate to be surrounded by people still that

1274
01:01:13,480 --> 01:01:15,760
answer my really hard questions and understand that I come

1275
01:01:15,760 --> 01:01:18,039
from a like a questionable background, where like all I

1276
01:01:18,039 --> 01:01:20,480
do is ask questions about things that to me don't

1277
01:01:20,519 --> 01:01:21,960
make sense. And if it doesn't make sense, I'm gonna

1278
01:01:22,039 --> 01:01:24,199
question it. If it if it even has like a

1279
01:01:24,199 --> 01:01:27,719
grain of like e, I'm gonna ask the question and

1280
01:01:28,119 --> 01:01:29,639
you might not know the answer, and that's okay, but

1281
01:01:29,719 --> 01:01:32,280
like we I would like to have a discussion about

1282
01:01:32,280 --> 01:01:35,639
it at least. Yeah, And so that's it. I just

1283
01:01:35,679 --> 01:01:39,320
started I started praying. I don't know, it was weird.

1284
01:01:39,360 --> 01:01:41,920
I was like, I don't know how to pray, right,

1285
01:01:42,000 --> 01:01:44,320
I don't know how to I went to church one

1286
01:01:44,400 --> 01:01:47,199
day this I don't know. He's worked crazy in my

1287
01:01:47,199 --> 01:01:49,760
life since that day where he was like you need

1288
01:01:49,800 --> 01:01:52,199
to you need to find me, and I was like, Okay,

1289
01:01:53,360 --> 01:01:55,840
I guess I'll try. Like I don't know what that means.

1290
01:01:56,880 --> 01:01:59,320
Speaker 1: I have to like that's weird.

1291
01:01:59,599 --> 01:02:04,280
Speaker 2: And so we moved in that time period, and the

1292
01:02:04,400 --> 01:02:06,519
very first time I ever prayed was like, God, like

1293
01:02:07,639 --> 01:02:10,000
we really want this house. So like I don't know

1294
01:02:10,039 --> 01:02:11,760
if this is what we do when we pray, but

1295
01:02:11,840 --> 01:02:14,119
like we'd love to buy this house. And then everything

1296
01:02:14,159 --> 01:02:17,719
went super smooth in our in our purchase. The month

1297
01:02:17,760 --> 01:02:19,519
we got out here for the very first time my

1298
01:02:19,559 --> 01:02:20,719
whole life, I was like, I think I need to

1299
01:02:20,719 --> 01:02:22,679
go to church today. I woke up some one Sunday

1300
01:02:22,679 --> 01:02:24,000
morning and I was like, I just need to go

1301
01:02:24,000 --> 01:02:26,719
to church. I live in the Bible Belt now, there

1302
01:02:26,760 --> 01:02:29,440
are a lot of churches in this area. Yeah, there

1303
01:02:29,519 --> 01:02:32,840
are so many, and so I was like, okay, I

1304
01:02:33,000 --> 01:02:38,559
just am going to Google map a church, which is yeah,

1305
01:02:38,599 --> 01:02:41,760
and there's so many. So I just literally I feel

1306
01:02:41,760 --> 01:02:43,199
like I closed my eyes and picked a church, which

1307
01:02:43,280 --> 01:02:45,119
wasn't really true. I was looking for a church that

1308
01:02:45,159 --> 01:02:47,079
had other young families, or at least looked like they

1309
01:02:47,079 --> 01:02:49,840
had other young families, and I went to one church,

1310
01:02:49,880 --> 01:02:53,400
and I was like, Okay, this is the one and

1311
01:02:53,599 --> 01:02:55,519
through that I that's where I'm like asking a lot

1312
01:02:55,559 --> 01:02:56,880
of my questions. That's where I found a lot of

1313
01:02:56,880 --> 01:02:59,800
people that are like willing to have that hard conversation

1314
01:03:00,159 --> 01:03:02,199
that I feel like a lot of like what my

1315
01:03:02,280 --> 01:03:04,599
perception was prior is that a lot of Christians won't

1316
01:03:04,920 --> 01:03:08,199
answer questions. If you're asking the questions, you're questioning their faith,

1317
01:03:08,239 --> 01:03:10,599
which wasn't wasn't the case. I'm questioning my own faith,

1318
01:03:10,639 --> 01:03:12,679
which is why I'm asking the question. It's not about you.

1319
01:03:13,119 --> 01:03:16,480
Speaker 1: Right, Yeah. I love I love to hear that you've

1320
01:03:16,480 --> 01:03:20,159
had that experience because having grown up in the Bible

1321
01:03:20,159 --> 01:03:23,119
Belts we're in Tennessee and having grown up in the

1322
01:03:23,239 --> 01:03:25,360
like the dead ass middle of the Bible Belt, one

1323
01:03:25,360 --> 01:03:27,320
of the things that was very true very early on

1324
01:03:27,519 --> 01:03:30,679
was you don't ask questions because those questions will get

1325
01:03:30,719 --> 01:03:34,800
you either smacked or call the very publicly. And we

1326
01:03:34,880 --> 01:03:36,559
had a guy on just a couple of days ago

1327
01:03:36,639 --> 01:03:38,400
who or maybe it was like a week ago, we

1328
01:03:38,440 --> 01:03:41,239
can have some time ago where I grew up with

1329
01:03:41,280 --> 01:03:43,719
him as well in this in this general area, and

1330
01:03:44,519 --> 01:03:48,840
he went through the process of like questioning faith all

1331
01:03:48,880 --> 01:03:51,960
the way to becoming an atheist and then back. And

1332
01:03:52,679 --> 01:03:56,239
one of the things that I have a lot of

1333
01:03:56,280 --> 01:04:00,400
respect for people who are willing to ask those questions

1334
01:04:00,480 --> 01:04:03,840
from a place that doesn't have like I had. I

1335
01:04:03,880 --> 01:04:05,599
had that handed to me when I was, you know,

1336
01:04:05,679 --> 01:04:08,599
too right. For people who are willing to go through

1337
01:04:08,599 --> 01:04:12,599
that search, I feel like it produces a much more genuine,

1338
01:04:13,079 --> 01:04:17,800
honest faith than you know, a lot of people in

1339
01:04:17,840 --> 01:04:19,880
my experience, and this is a very negative thing to say,

1340
01:04:19,920 --> 01:04:22,199
but who are just handed that type of thing right,

1341
01:04:22,239 --> 01:04:25,559
because you have to go through you know, the difficulty

1342
01:04:25,599 --> 01:04:27,440
of looking for it, and I mean not so much

1343
01:04:27,480 --> 01:04:30,320
earning it, but like looking for it, searching for it,

1344
01:04:30,360 --> 01:04:33,480
being uncomfortable having a lot of weird conversations with people

1345
01:04:33,480 --> 01:04:36,480
who you know, look at act very funny. They get

1346
01:04:36,559 --> 01:04:39,840
up and sing, they sit down, sometimes they drink stuff

1347
01:04:39,880 --> 01:04:41,639
they say is blood. It's real weird and it's real

1348
01:04:41,679 --> 01:04:44,880
culty looking from the outside sometimes. But it takes a

1349
01:04:44,960 --> 01:04:48,000
very genuine, honest search. And I you know, that's always

1350
01:04:49,239 --> 01:04:52,000
impressed to me that people are even comfortable going on

1351
01:04:52,039 --> 01:04:54,840
that ride, because for me, like the whole idea of

1352
01:04:54,920 --> 01:04:57,199
Christianity was just like a matter of survival growing up.

1353
01:04:57,239 --> 01:04:59,880
It's just what people did around you, and it's such

1354
01:05:00,880 --> 01:05:04,239
empty concept versus what it sounds like you found, which

1355
01:05:04,280 --> 01:05:08,239
I absolutely like love that's that's incredible. And but that's

1356
01:05:08,239 --> 01:05:08,880
the more I.

1357
01:05:08,800 --> 01:05:11,079
Speaker 2: Was looking for, though, Like I was on the hunt

1358
01:05:11,079 --> 01:05:13,159
for that. I wasn't going to go somewhere and I

1359
01:05:13,199 --> 01:05:15,280
wasn't And honestly, I was okay, like never going to

1360
01:05:15,320 --> 01:05:17,079
church ever again, Like I don't know why I woke

1361
01:05:17,159 --> 01:05:18,159
up one day I was like I need to go

1362
01:05:18,199 --> 01:05:21,519
to church today. Like it had to have been God,

1363
01:05:21,679 --> 01:05:23,639
you know what I'm saying. Like right, like I was,

1364
01:05:23,840 --> 01:05:26,400
I was totally fine, just like staying at home and

1365
01:05:26,440 --> 01:05:29,800
reading my Bible and just like figuring it out on

1366
01:05:29,840 --> 01:05:33,239
my own. Yeah, And so, but I knew I was

1367
01:05:33,239 --> 01:05:35,320
gonna ask a lot of questions. I knew there was

1368
01:05:35,320 --> 01:05:37,000
going to be a lot of a lot of things

1369
01:05:37,000 --> 01:05:42,800
that I didn't understand, right, So and I'm still, yeah,

1370
01:05:42,840 --> 01:05:45,079
I'm still asking a lot of questions. I'm still like,

1371
01:05:45,159 --> 01:05:49,000
right now, we're doing a revelation study or like I

1372
01:05:49,039 --> 01:05:51,000
don't know why I was like, yeah, let's jump into revelation.

1373
01:05:51,480 --> 01:05:54,519
I'm questioning a lot. I got a lot of questions, actually,

1374
01:05:55,400 --> 01:05:58,199
and then like I'm writing in the margins of my study,

1375
01:05:58,519 --> 01:06:00,400
like while we're like at this group, it's just like

1376
01:06:00,400 --> 01:06:02,719
a small group, right, there's like I don't know fifteen people,

1377
01:06:02,960 --> 01:06:04,519
and I'm like writing in the in the margins. My

1378
01:06:04,599 --> 01:06:06,559
husband looks over at my book and he's like giggling

1379
01:06:06,559 --> 01:06:08,599
to himself and he's like, why did you write that?

1380
01:06:08,960 --> 01:06:11,000
He's like, why did he write? Like something about the

1381
01:06:11,039 --> 01:06:13,760
moon producing its own light? So I'm like, I need

1382
01:06:13,760 --> 01:06:15,719
to go home and research that because there's something weird

1383
01:06:15,760 --> 01:06:18,119
about that. Why how come the Bible says that the

1384
01:06:18,199 --> 01:06:20,360
light of the moon, not the light, not the reflection

1385
01:06:20,440 --> 01:06:22,320
of the sun. Like that's something I need to look into.

1386
01:06:22,559 --> 01:06:25,519
Then I'm like, how come Like in Revelation, right, so

1387
01:06:25,639 --> 01:06:28,840
Jesus is gonna come down and everybody's gonna see him

1388
01:06:28,840 --> 01:06:32,360
at the same time. Well, in a round world, if

1389
01:06:32,440 --> 01:06:38,360
Jesus comes down, the backside can't see him. So is

1390
01:06:38,400 --> 01:06:43,159
the earth flat? Like I started asking these quess and

1391
01:06:43,480 --> 01:06:44,840
they just like deal with me.

1392
01:06:45,280 --> 01:06:47,199
Speaker 3: Robert is losing his mind right now.

1393
01:06:47,360 --> 01:06:49,039
Speaker 1: Yeah, the the guy that was doing the show with

1394
01:06:49,119 --> 01:06:51,760
us for a while, he's the hardest core flat earth

1395
01:06:51,800 --> 01:06:54,599
rind no, So he's yeah, he's he's losing this right now.

1396
01:06:54,960 --> 01:06:57,719
Speaker 2: I just I ask all the questions and anytime I

1397
01:06:57,760 --> 01:07:00,880
like read it like scripture, and I just asked the questions.

1398
01:07:01,159 --> 01:07:03,199
And so it's been really heavy on my heart lately

1399
01:07:03,320 --> 01:07:07,840
and I can't explain why. But and I don't like

1400
01:07:08,320 --> 01:07:10,840
I don't understand or I didn't understand why people would

1401
01:07:10,960 --> 01:07:12,679
like at church like go up to the altar and pray.

1402
01:07:12,679 --> 01:07:14,400
I'm like, can't you just pray from your chair? Like

1403
01:07:14,840 --> 01:07:16,920
why are you going up there to pray? And then

1404
01:07:16,920 --> 01:07:18,480
why are other people coming up to you and like

1405
01:07:18,519 --> 01:07:21,360
putting their hands on you and like touching you. Yeah,

1406
01:07:21,400 --> 01:07:23,639
I had no idea. I didn't not understand this. So

1407
01:07:23,679 --> 01:07:25,320
I'm like watching this for a year and a half,

1408
01:07:25,320 --> 01:07:28,719
I'm watching this. And then last week, so a week

1409
01:07:28,920 --> 01:07:31,920
from yesterday, I was like, I need to go up

1410
01:07:31,920 --> 01:07:34,320
there and pray. So I went up there and I prayed.

1411
01:07:34,360 --> 01:07:36,039
But I'm not praying for me. I'm praying for all

1412
01:07:36,079 --> 01:07:38,599
those kids that are affected by the pedophiles and by

1413
01:07:38,639 --> 01:07:40,559
the like the evil of the world. I'm praying for

1414
01:07:40,639 --> 01:07:42,719
all these like and I'm bawling my eyes out and

1415
01:07:42,760 --> 01:07:45,519
I'm just crying so hard and praying and praying and praying,

1416
01:07:45,760 --> 01:07:49,360
just like, do something about these evils in this world.

1417
01:07:49,679 --> 01:07:51,280
And then again this week I'm up there again and

1418
01:07:51,280 --> 01:07:53,360
I'm like, I don't know what's wrong with me? Why

1419
01:07:53,400 --> 01:07:55,599
am I like this? Like, what is wrong with me

1420
01:07:55,639 --> 01:07:57,760
that I'm up here crying my eyes out for people

1421
01:07:57,800 --> 01:08:00,360
I've never met because there's so much evil in this world?

1422
01:08:00,400 --> 01:08:02,239
And then this morning I have to share this because

1423
01:08:02,239 --> 01:08:04,400
this is so powerful. This morning, one of my friends

1424
01:08:04,480 --> 01:08:05,880
she sent this to me and she's like, I don't know,

1425
01:08:05,960 --> 01:08:07,599
like I thought of you, so I sent it over

1426
01:08:09,000 --> 01:08:11,559
and it's Ephesians five eleven. Have nothing to do with

1427
01:08:11,599 --> 01:08:14,679
the fruitless deeds of darkness, but rather expose them.

1428
01:08:15,480 --> 01:08:16,640
Speaker 1: Oh I like that.

1429
01:08:17,119 --> 01:08:19,600
Speaker 2: And every single day I've been praying that God continues

1430
01:08:19,640 --> 01:08:21,560
to use me to expose the evils of this world,

1431
01:08:21,640 --> 01:08:26,439
because like, there's so much corruption and there's so much

1432
01:08:26,520 --> 01:08:29,079
darkness and people just aren't talking about it. And I'm like,

1433
01:08:29,119 --> 01:08:31,239
I'll do it. Yeah, I'll talk about it.

1434
01:08:32,479 --> 01:08:34,760
Speaker 1: Yeah, Oh my gosh. And that's a scary thing to do. Like,

1435
01:08:34,760 --> 01:08:36,319
I don't think a lot of people appreciate the kind

1436
01:08:36,319 --> 01:08:39,600
of position you're putting yourself in, putting your face in

1437
01:08:39,640 --> 01:08:41,760
front of people saying some of the things you say,

1438
01:08:41,960 --> 01:08:48,359
like the backlash you will receive from that is not small,

1439
01:08:49,479 --> 01:08:52,479
and like that that is genuinely commendable, but it's probably

1440
01:08:52,520 --> 01:08:53,840
scary sometimes I would.

1441
01:08:53,640 --> 01:08:55,439
Speaker 2: Imagine it doesn't matter.

1442
01:08:56,000 --> 01:08:58,640
Speaker 1: Yeah no, oh no, yeah, sure, sure, I'm not preating that.

1443
01:08:59,039 --> 01:09:01,640
Speaker 2: No. No, Like at the end of the day, like, okay,

1444
01:09:01,680 --> 01:09:04,680
I'm uncomfortable and like I yeah, I'm putting myself out

1445
01:09:04,720 --> 01:09:06,960
there to like say some hard things and people are

1446
01:09:07,000 --> 01:09:10,760
going to people are going to have opinions about everything.

1447
01:09:10,760 --> 01:09:12,880
People on the internet are ruthless. I don't I don't

1448
01:09:12,880 --> 01:09:16,640
read my comments, like I'm not trying to go into that.

1449
01:09:16,880 --> 01:09:18,359
But like, at the end of the day, there are

1450
01:09:18,520 --> 01:09:21,239
children out there and I mean adults too, that are

1451
01:09:21,239 --> 01:09:23,840
being trafficked, that are living in this like that are

1452
01:09:23,960 --> 01:09:28,079
just being tortured every single day because somebody else decided

1453
01:09:28,199 --> 01:09:34,399
that they should. So who am I like, it's not

1454
01:09:34,439 --> 01:09:34,840
about me?

1455
01:09:35,680 --> 01:09:40,720
Speaker 1: Right, Well, yeah, I'm gonna start crying here in a minute.

1456
01:09:41,279 --> 01:09:43,359
Speaker 2: So I've done a lot of that.

1457
01:09:44,199 --> 01:09:47,439
Speaker 1: I believe that I've become I'm becoming increasingly more emotional

1458
01:09:47,479 --> 01:09:49,119
as I age, and I don't I don't love it,

1459
01:09:50,199 --> 01:09:51,840
but it seems to be a part of life, So

1460
01:09:51,880 --> 01:09:56,239
I'm making my peace with it. Why why do you

1461
01:09:57,520 --> 01:10:00,960
Why is it that we just talked about the fact

1462
01:10:00,960 --> 01:10:04,079
that like all kind of conspiracy roads lead back to

1463
01:10:04,239 --> 01:10:07,119
Christianity on some level. And I think that all makes

1464
01:10:07,119 --> 01:10:10,079
sense because everything, so you know, every everything is Satanic,

1465
01:10:10,119 --> 01:10:11,840
and when you look into Satanism, you know, it all

1466
01:10:11,880 --> 01:10:16,119
kind of unravels from there. But I don't know all

1467
01:10:16,560 --> 01:10:23,319
of the focus on children, child trafficking, sex trafficking, like

1468
01:10:24,000 --> 01:10:28,840
that appears to be such a big tenet of their religion,

1469
01:10:29,000 --> 01:10:34,720
such a big focus of theirs. And it's still like,

1470
01:10:34,760 --> 01:10:38,399
even even knowing my limited knowledge of like the occult

1471
01:10:38,439 --> 01:10:41,159
and Satanism, it still doesn't always make sense why that's

1472
01:10:41,159 --> 01:10:44,640
such a large focus you give any insight into that.

1473
01:10:45,560 --> 01:10:49,479
Speaker 2: Yeah, I think it's the for children specifically, it's the

1474
01:10:49,520 --> 01:10:54,159
innocence of it, m right, Like you it's like they

1475
01:10:54,199 --> 01:10:59,520
always talk about like like sacrificing a virgin, right, but

1476
01:10:59,680 --> 01:11:02,760
like how hard is it to find a virgin these days?

1477
01:11:03,720 --> 01:11:05,479
Speaker 1: Good luck? I mean good luck and.

1478
01:11:05,439 --> 01:11:07,319
Speaker 2: So like, And I'm not trying to make fun of anybody,

1479
01:11:07,359 --> 01:11:10,119
that's not the point of that comment, but like it's

1480
01:11:10,159 --> 01:11:13,039
really tricky, So like children have become the next It's

1481
01:11:13,079 --> 01:11:15,239
just it's the innocent. It's not necessarily like the virgin

1482
01:11:15,279 --> 01:11:18,359
of a child. It's you're sacrificing the innocent. And so

1483
01:11:19,199 --> 01:11:25,000
but even in the monarch episode, we found that the

1484
01:11:25,079 --> 01:11:28,279
sexual abuse will create the dissociation that you need to

1485
01:11:28,359 --> 01:11:33,319
create older personalities, right, And a lot of times the

1486
01:11:33,399 --> 01:11:37,159
sexual abuse is the torment, the adrenaline that they get

1487
01:11:37,199 --> 01:11:43,239
pumping in the blood before they harvest, the adrenochrome. Right. So, like,

1488
01:11:43,880 --> 01:11:46,760
I think there's multiple aspects of it. I think that

1489
01:11:48,880 --> 01:11:50,680
this is gonna sound disgusting and it makes me want

1490
01:11:50,680 --> 01:11:53,039
to throw up just thinking about it. Some people just

1491
01:11:53,239 --> 01:11:58,119
really like to screw children. I can't believe I just

1492
01:11:58,119 --> 01:11:58,760
said that out loud.

1493
01:12:00,800 --> 01:12:07,039
Speaker 1: I mean, gosh, I mean that's heavy. But I don't know.

1494
01:12:07,119 --> 01:12:10,880
I do wonder and I mean you on some level

1495
01:12:10,920 --> 01:12:13,159
that must it appears like it must be true, right

1496
01:12:13,199 --> 01:12:14,760
Otherwise why would it? Ah?

1497
01:12:15,279 --> 01:12:16,960
Speaker 2: Yeah, why would it come up in so many things?

1498
01:12:17,000 --> 01:12:20,000
We talked about it? And like there's so many times

1499
01:12:20,119 --> 01:12:24,199
that it comes up. It just it keeps happening. So like,

1500
01:12:24,239 --> 01:12:26,920
how come Like and I can name five right now,

1501
01:12:27,399 --> 01:12:29,680
like five different conspiracy theories that I've covered on my

1502
01:12:29,840 --> 01:12:33,720
podcast that lead back to children. And that's just in

1503
01:12:34,000 --> 01:12:35,600
like just off the top of my head, and I

1504
01:12:35,600 --> 01:12:37,920
could probably name ten right, you know what I'm saying,

1505
01:12:37,960 --> 01:12:40,199
Like like it keeps coming back to that.

1506
01:12:40,760 --> 01:12:44,800
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, and that inherent innocence. You're right, it does

1507
01:12:44,840 --> 01:12:47,319
seem to be kind of like the common denominator between

1508
01:12:47,640 --> 01:12:50,960
all yeah, all of all of their victims, so to speak.

1509
01:12:51,560 --> 01:12:53,560
And I wonder because a lot of a lot of

1510
01:12:53,600 --> 01:12:55,000
the work, does a lot of the abuse does seem

1511
01:12:55,000 --> 01:12:57,399
to be focused on like splitting personalities and that sort

1512
01:12:57,399 --> 01:13:00,000
of thing, do you think? And I've had my run

1513
01:13:00,520 --> 01:13:03,640
with like I don't know, like the sexually abused, and

1514
01:13:03,640 --> 01:13:06,159
I updated a few girls who've gone through sexual abuse

1515
01:13:06,560 --> 01:13:10,319
and in in several of those cases, and this is

1516
01:13:10,399 --> 01:13:12,720
this is kind of an uncomfortable thing to like approach,

1517
01:13:12,760 --> 01:13:17,880
but like I ran into and they ran into what

1518
01:13:18,199 --> 01:13:23,640
they self described as like some kind of not necessarily possession,

1519
01:13:24,119 --> 01:13:27,960
but certainly like a demonic presence that was there. So

1520
01:13:28,000 --> 01:13:32,399
I'm curious, like, is is all of the like splitting

1521
01:13:32,439 --> 01:13:35,479
of personalities that they're doing in like mk Ultra and monarch,

1522
01:13:35,680 --> 01:13:37,960
is that just like a clinical you know, a clinical

1523
01:13:38,000 --> 01:13:40,560
diagnosis we're just doing this thing and it's science, right,

1524
01:13:41,720 --> 01:13:44,920
or is it some kind of low grade like demonic

1525
01:13:45,319 --> 01:13:48,640
you know, presence that we're calling into into being to

1526
01:13:48,720 --> 01:13:53,159
kind of inhabit a portion of this person's personality. And

1527
01:13:53,199 --> 01:13:55,680
that is me talking like directly, like out of very

1528
01:13:55,840 --> 01:13:58,680
you know, limited knowledge, But like I've run into that

1529
01:13:58,720 --> 01:14:01,079
on a couple of occasions now with people who have

1530
01:14:01,159 --> 01:14:04,319
been sexually abused, and I do wonder if that kind

1531
01:14:04,359 --> 01:14:05,039
of opens the door.

1532
01:14:05,239 --> 01:14:12,079
Speaker 2: I guess yes, like yes kind of. So I think

1533
01:14:12,119 --> 01:14:15,600
that some of the sexual abuses is about power, like

1534
01:14:15,600 --> 01:14:17,760
like a person to person level. It's it is just

1535
01:14:17,800 --> 01:14:19,920
about like I have power, I have control over you.

1536
01:14:20,720 --> 01:14:24,680
But in my in my monarch research, I did find

1537
01:14:24,760 --> 01:14:28,119
that they're doing these occult rituals when they're they're creating

1538
01:14:28,560 --> 01:14:31,800
the alter personalities, and then they're not actually like it's

1539
01:14:31,840 --> 01:14:35,840
not always like fully programming. They're programming a demonic entity

1540
01:14:35,920 --> 01:14:39,119
to attach to that ultra personality. And that, to me,

1541
01:14:39,199 --> 01:14:42,640
I was like, that's like really, that's like really far

1542
01:14:42,640 --> 01:14:44,920
down this rabbit hole. That's weird, Like that's something that

1543
01:14:44,960 --> 01:14:47,479
most people can't even like fathom. I think that like,

1544
01:14:47,479 --> 01:14:49,800
if you're gonna believe in this conspiracy, you might believe

1545
01:14:49,840 --> 01:14:52,840
that they're like dissociating, they're programming another personality, but to

1546
01:14:53,319 --> 01:14:54,680
take it that one step further and be like, no,

1547
01:14:54,720 --> 01:14:57,680
they're they're also like attaching demons to that alter personality.

1548
01:14:57,720 --> 01:15:00,439
Like that takes it to a whole other level. But

1549
01:15:01,560 --> 01:15:05,239
in some cases they're attaching like full groups of demons

1550
01:15:05,279 --> 01:15:08,640
to those altra personalities. They're doing this whole occult ritual

1551
01:15:09,399 --> 01:15:14,239
when they do this, it's yeah, it's really weird.

1552
01:15:14,960 --> 01:15:18,439
Speaker 3: Yeah, and there's a it's just it's a weird thing

1553
01:15:18,520 --> 01:15:20,680
about that because it's like you even see that in

1554
01:15:20,760 --> 01:15:24,960
the Bible. When there's like weird like ritualistic worship of

1555
01:15:25,000 --> 01:15:28,079
either demons or some type of fallen entity, it all

1556
01:15:28,119 --> 01:15:31,680
goes back to just this like sick perverse Like yeah,

1557
01:15:32,039 --> 01:15:35,960
sexual ritual. Like you know when Israel was work was

1558
01:15:35,960 --> 01:15:38,039
worshiping the Golden calf, That's what they were doing.

1559
01:15:39,000 --> 01:15:40,119
Speaker 1: A bunch of weird sex stuff.

1560
01:15:40,199 --> 01:15:43,520
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, it was not always Yeah, it always comes

1561
01:15:43,560 --> 01:15:46,399
back to that. Yeah, it's very strange.

1562
01:15:47,640 --> 01:15:49,479
Speaker 1: People gotta stop doing weird sex stuff to each other.

1563
01:15:49,560 --> 01:15:51,359
We just need to stop that. I think that'll solve

1564
01:15:51,359 --> 01:15:52,479
a lot of that problem.

1565
01:15:52,720 --> 01:15:54,600
Speaker 2: Weird gos. It says that in the Bible.

1566
01:15:56,079 --> 01:15:58,359
Speaker 1: It does. That's true, it does. It does say that

1567
01:15:58,399 --> 01:16:01,640
in there weird words, but it does say that, And

1568
01:16:01,680 --> 01:16:03,720
I think that's how I'll paraphrase it from here on out.

1569
01:16:04,119 --> 01:16:09,920
Speaker 2: No sexual immorality, right, I don't know, Like yeah, yeah,

1570
01:16:10,000 --> 01:16:10,439
I don't know.

1571
01:16:10,840 --> 01:16:13,119
Speaker 1: It's as simple as that. Well, it's very clear in

1572
01:16:13,159 --> 01:16:16,039
the media, like how much they've they've taken something like

1573
01:16:16,079 --> 01:16:18,319
that and turned it into just like this common everyday

1574
01:16:18,359 --> 01:16:21,239
activity when we're dealing with like bearing your very soul

1575
01:16:21,319 --> 01:16:23,800
to another human being. You know, I have a hard

1576
01:16:23,800 --> 01:16:25,800
time being honest with somebody and looking at them in

1577
01:16:25,800 --> 01:16:28,039
the eyes much less anything past that, Like, you know,

1578
01:16:28,159 --> 01:16:34,319
come on people, Ugh yeah, kids these days stress me out.

1579
01:16:34,520 --> 01:16:34,880
Speaker 2: Me too.

1580
01:16:36,239 --> 01:16:38,319
Speaker 1: Gosh, I don't know how your parents do it. I

1581
01:16:38,319 --> 01:16:39,439
would be a nervous wreck.

1582
01:16:39,920 --> 01:16:42,560
Speaker 2: It's a lot. I think it's harder to be a

1583
01:16:42,600 --> 01:16:44,800
good parent. That sounds mean.

1584
01:16:44,840 --> 01:16:48,159
Speaker 1: I'm not trying to bash, No, that makes sense. That

1585
01:16:48,199 --> 01:16:49,079
makes a.

1586
01:16:49,119 --> 01:16:52,600
Speaker 2: Parent in general, I'm not trying to it's parenting. It's hard, yeah,

1587
01:16:52,640 --> 01:16:57,880
But then like for me, I've made it extra hard.

1588
01:16:58,399 --> 01:17:02,000
Oh my gosh. Yeah, So to me, I've made an

1589
01:17:02,000 --> 01:17:05,960
extra hard because I research conspiracies, and I'm like, okay,

1590
01:17:06,159 --> 01:17:10,239
so I can't let my kids do anything, right, right,

1591
01:17:11,079 --> 01:17:16,439
I walking this really fine line between like I want

1592
01:17:16,479 --> 01:17:19,239
them to be independent and like to have some independence,

1593
01:17:19,279 --> 01:17:22,479
but also like I can't let them out of my sight.

1594
01:17:23,119 --> 01:17:25,520
Speaker 1: Right. Yeah, that's a weird line for a lot of

1595
01:17:25,520 --> 01:17:27,039
people to walk. And I know a lot of people

1596
01:17:27,079 --> 01:17:29,760
on both sides of that of that divide, like a

1597
01:17:29,760 --> 01:17:32,079
lot of helicopter parents and a lot of people who

1598
01:17:32,119 --> 01:17:34,239
are just like, yeah, he's got he's got legs, he

1599
01:17:34,279 --> 01:17:37,720
can walk, like let him go, And yeah, I don't

1600
01:17:37,800 --> 01:17:42,119
envy you that that task currently because it sounds painfully stressful,

1601
01:17:42,560 --> 01:17:46,119
like because people need to be afforded some level of independence,

1602
01:17:46,159 --> 01:17:53,279
but people are also and there's yeah right ah, So

1603
01:17:53,399 --> 01:17:54,840
I know I've been talking for a little bit. There's

1604
01:17:54,840 --> 01:17:56,239
one more thing if you have time, that I wanted

1605
01:17:56,279 --> 01:17:59,039
to talk to you about. I know you've done some

1606
01:17:59,079 --> 01:18:03,000
discussions a on uh, functional medicine, if I remember correctly, Yep.

1607
01:18:03,439 --> 01:18:06,840
I'm curious as to just like what led you down

1608
01:18:06,880 --> 01:18:08,199
that path because that was the world I grew up in.

1609
01:18:08,199 --> 01:18:11,119
I'm always curious as to kind of how you wound

1610
01:18:11,199 --> 01:18:12,640
up in that place and then I have I have

1611
01:18:12,760 --> 01:18:14,079
a couple of follow up questions on that.

1612
01:18:15,039 --> 01:18:19,079
Speaker 2: So I am trying to walk this fine line right

1613
01:18:19,119 --> 01:18:21,840
now in my podcast, like not having too many functional

1614
01:18:22,279 --> 01:18:25,960
medicine doctors on, because so I don't know, you guys

1615
01:18:25,960 --> 01:18:27,520
have probably run into this too, Like once I have

1616
01:18:27,640 --> 01:18:30,680
like one person on that's in like a certain genre,

1617
01:18:30,760 --> 01:18:32,279
I get a bunch of emails they're like have this

1618
01:18:32,279 --> 01:18:33,880
person on, have this person They're all the same genre,

1619
01:18:33,960 --> 01:18:37,239
and I'm like, okay, Like they have multiple guests on

1620
01:18:37,319 --> 01:18:41,399
from different places. So but I really like the idea

1621
01:18:41,439 --> 01:18:43,520
of functional medicine because we all have been to the

1622
01:18:43,520 --> 01:18:46,039
doctor where we're like, hey, this weird thing is happening,

1623
01:18:46,079 --> 01:18:48,159
like headaches. Let's take for an example, we go and

1624
01:18:48,159 --> 01:18:50,000
we're like, hey, we're having headaches, and they're like, here

1625
01:18:50,039 --> 01:18:52,439
is a prescription. Take this. And you're like there's no

1626
01:18:52,520 --> 01:18:55,920
way to, like I don't know, stop the headaches, Like

1627
01:18:56,920 --> 01:19:00,399
there's the rest cover it up. We're just gonna like it.

1628
01:19:00,439 --> 01:19:02,680
And they're like yeah, like that's all we can do.

1629
01:19:03,640 --> 01:19:06,920
And I'm like okay. So I basically got sick of

1630
01:19:07,000 --> 01:19:09,319
hearing like I'm not going to find the root cause

1631
01:19:09,359 --> 01:19:12,760
I'm just going to make you sicker by giving you

1632
01:19:13,119 --> 01:19:17,159
some sort of pill. And I don't want to have

1633
01:19:17,239 --> 01:19:19,000
any sort of pill, like I just I have all

1634
01:19:19,039 --> 01:19:21,680
the side effects. I'm very like sensitive to that. And

1635
01:19:21,720 --> 01:19:24,159
so to me, I needed something that was going to

1636
01:19:24,359 --> 01:19:28,960
fix my problems without making them worse. Because now you're

1637
01:19:29,000 --> 01:19:31,319
going to give me some headache medicine that's going to

1638
01:19:31,359 --> 01:19:33,479
make me have stomach issues, and then I need a

1639
01:19:33,479 --> 01:19:35,880
stomach medicine because which is going to give me heart issues,

1640
01:19:35,920 --> 01:19:38,319
and now I need a heart medicine, and ultimately I'm

1641
01:19:38,359 --> 01:19:42,319
never going to be off this medication. Right, So we

1642
01:19:42,640 --> 01:19:46,439
started just down this path of like and I think

1643
01:19:46,479 --> 01:19:50,199
COVID really helped. They're putting something in this weird vaccine,

1644
01:19:50,199 --> 01:19:52,119
they're pushing it too hard, so let's look into that.

1645
01:19:52,520 --> 01:19:54,960
And then it was like, okay, well how come and

1646
01:19:55,039 --> 01:19:57,000
we had just had our first baby during COVID, so

1647
01:19:57,000 --> 01:19:58,920
we're like, let's let's take the doctor, right, that's what

1648
01:19:58,960 --> 01:20:00,680
you're supposed to do every ar two months for the

1649
01:20:00,720 --> 01:20:03,359
first year is life. And every time we go, we

1650
01:20:03,439 --> 01:20:06,039
get five or six vaccines. And I was like, I'm

1651
01:20:06,039 --> 01:20:08,960
not comfortable giving him that many vaccines, Like I think

1652
01:20:08,960 --> 01:20:11,560
that we should start to look into these vaccines, and

1653
01:20:11,600 --> 01:20:14,800
then it went to the next thing, like, so my

1654
01:20:14,880 --> 01:20:18,000
second son was born and he had chronic diaper rash,

1655
01:20:18,039 --> 01:20:20,520
like chronic diaper rash and I could not get rid

1656
01:20:20,520 --> 01:20:22,000
of it to save my life. And they're like, well,

1657
01:20:22,039 --> 01:20:24,319
are you putting diaper cream on him? I'm like yeah, like,

1658
01:20:24,439 --> 01:20:26,920
here is this hydro cortisone cream. Just put this steroid

1659
01:20:26,960 --> 01:20:30,439
on him, well and basically putting steroids on his balls

1660
01:20:30,439 --> 01:20:34,199
where he creates testosterone. Like, we're not worried about me

1661
01:20:34,319 --> 01:20:38,880
putting steroid cream on his like on his junk. And

1662
01:20:38,880 --> 01:20:42,039
they're like, no, there's no like long term issues with that,

1663
01:20:42,199 --> 01:20:44,520
and I was like, ooh, I just don't want to

1664
01:20:44,560 --> 01:20:48,720
even test that, Like there's already an infertility epidemic in

1665
01:20:48,760 --> 01:20:52,800
our country. Like I'm not going to risk doing this.

1666
01:20:53,520 --> 01:20:56,000
So then we switched him to raw milk.

1667
01:20:56,760 --> 01:20:57,920
Speaker 1: Oh, it's a game changer.

1668
01:20:58,039 --> 01:21:00,520
Speaker 2: Yeah, such a small thing. We're like okay, and we

1669
01:21:00,560 --> 01:21:03,720
moved so in Colorado. We lived in Colorado, it was

1670
01:21:03,720 --> 01:21:05,640
really we were on a wait list for two years

1671
01:21:05,680 --> 01:21:08,439
and we still did not get raw milk, and so

1672
01:21:09,439 --> 01:21:11,439
when we moved, it was really easy. There's a lot

1673
01:21:11,479 --> 01:21:12,960
of farms around where we're at now, and so we

1674
01:21:13,039 --> 01:21:14,640
just like went down to local farm and we're like, hey, man,

1675
01:21:14,640 --> 01:21:16,079
can we buy some milk from you? And he's like, yeah,

1676
01:21:16,119 --> 01:21:18,039
no problem. He milked it that day. It's still warm

1677
01:21:18,079 --> 01:21:19,560
in the jar that he gives it to me in.

1678
01:21:20,159 --> 01:21:23,039
Yes's perfect. So I switched my son to raw milk.

1679
01:21:23,199 --> 01:21:26,600
He's diaper rash cleared up in two days. Two days.

1680
01:21:26,760 --> 01:21:29,159
He's never had a diaper rash issue since. And so

1681
01:21:29,199 --> 01:21:33,199
I was like, okay, that was easy. So now let's

1682
01:21:33,199 --> 01:21:35,000
look at like what is in our food, which I

1683
01:21:35,000 --> 01:21:37,119
had already been like exploring our food and all this

1684
01:21:37,159 --> 01:21:40,039
stuff that's on our food. So we kind of dug

1685
01:21:40,119 --> 01:21:42,000
down that a little bit more. And I had taken

1686
01:21:42,039 --> 01:21:44,039
my mother in law when my second son was born.

1687
01:21:44,239 --> 01:21:46,000
I took her to the doctor with us for his

1688
01:21:46,800 --> 01:21:48,600
two day checkup. Right he's born, we have to go

1689
01:21:48,720 --> 01:21:51,000
right to the doctor the next day or whatever, and

1690
01:21:51,359 --> 01:21:53,039
they hand us this packet and they're like, here are

1691
01:21:53,039 --> 01:21:54,920
the vaccines for the next visit. So I handed to

1692
01:21:54,920 --> 01:21:56,319
her and I was like, hey, if you're curious why

1693
01:21:56,319 --> 01:21:58,920
we're not vaccinating, here are the vaccines. And she's like

1694
01:21:59,039 --> 01:22:01,600
she's looking through it because she was a little. She

1695
01:22:01,720 --> 01:22:04,760
was like, not gonna tell me what to do. She's

1696
01:22:04,800 --> 01:22:07,279
a very good mother in law, but she was very

1697
01:22:07,600 --> 01:22:11,319
nervous about my choice. Right, and my husband's on my side,

1698
01:22:11,359 --> 01:22:13,880
like any choice that I've made, I have told him

1699
01:22:13,920 --> 01:22:15,840
all the reasons why, I give him all the studies,

1700
01:22:15,840 --> 01:22:17,840
and he's like, yep, let's do it. So him and

1701
01:22:17,840 --> 01:22:19,079
I are like just very connected.

1702
01:22:19,319 --> 01:22:21,319
Speaker 1: That's rare.

1703
01:22:21,439 --> 01:22:24,000
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, we have a fantastic relationship. So I'm telling

1704
01:22:24,039 --> 01:22:25,960
my mother in law this. I'm like, we're not gonna vaccinate.

1705
01:22:26,119 --> 01:22:27,640
Here's the packet. So I hand it to her and

1706
01:22:27,640 --> 01:22:30,319
she's looking through it. She's like, it's only six vaccines

1707
01:22:30,640 --> 01:22:32,119
and I was like, that's for the two month old

1708
01:22:32,159 --> 01:22:34,000
check up. And then when we get there, they're gonna

1709
01:22:34,000 --> 01:22:38,960
hand us a new packet and she's like oh, And

1710
01:22:39,000 --> 01:22:41,079
I was like, yeah, like we don't need to go

1711
01:22:41,159 --> 01:22:43,720
through all of this. So I started reading, I started researching,

1712
01:22:43,760 --> 01:22:46,119
I started doing all these things and realizing like, there's

1713
01:22:46,159 --> 01:22:50,560
so many things in the world that can like cure you.

1714
01:22:50,560 --> 01:22:53,039
You can heal your own body, which is what we're

1715
01:22:53,079 --> 01:22:55,640
made to do. If you just like and this is

1716
01:22:55,640 --> 01:22:58,159
gonna sound so cliche if you ate, right, if you

1717
01:22:58,359 --> 01:23:00,760
ate not not only right, but you ate food that's

1718
01:23:00,840 --> 01:23:04,079
not poisoned, food that actually has nutrients, Because yeah, you

1719
01:23:04,119 --> 01:23:06,119
can go to the store and buy a bell pepper,

1720
01:23:06,239 --> 01:23:08,399
and that bell pepper has like a third of the

1721
01:23:08,479 --> 01:23:10,159
nutrients that a bell pepper that I grew in my

1722
01:23:10,199 --> 01:23:13,920
garden has just because of the way that it was manufactured,

1723
01:23:14,199 --> 01:23:17,760
like the seeds and the fertilizer and all the things, like,

1724
01:23:17,840 --> 01:23:20,039
it just is not grown the way that it should

1725
01:23:20,039 --> 01:23:21,760
be grown. So you're not getting the same amount of

1726
01:23:21,840 --> 01:23:24,279
nutrients that somebody from like a bell pepper from a

1727
01:23:24,319 --> 01:23:27,000
garden is. And then it was like so simple, Well,

1728
01:23:27,000 --> 01:23:28,720
now you need to move your body. I'm not saying

1729
01:23:28,720 --> 01:23:31,279
work out heavy all the time. Go on a freaking

1730
01:23:31,359 --> 01:23:34,359
walk outside and play with your kids, Like don't you

1731
01:23:34,399 --> 01:23:36,199
want to be able to play with your kids? And

1732
01:23:36,239 --> 01:23:38,399
then like I started listening to podcasts. I started listening

1733
01:23:38,439 --> 01:23:40,720
to Gary Breca. I started we went down this whole

1734
01:23:40,880 --> 01:23:44,760
like like sleeping, yeah, oh yeah, Like getting a good

1735
01:23:44,840 --> 01:23:48,920
night's sleep changes everything you have, Like you heal your

1736
01:23:48,920 --> 01:23:51,520
body is so much better, grounding yourself, Like it's such

1737
01:23:51,600 --> 01:23:53,680
simple things that you don't really have to think about.

1738
01:23:53,720 --> 01:23:55,600
So then I started going to a functional health doctor,

1739
01:23:55,640 --> 01:23:56,720
and I was like, Hey, these are the things that

1740
01:23:56,760 --> 01:23:59,960
I'm experiencing. And she didn't prescribe me a bunch of pills.

1741
01:24:00,359 --> 01:24:03,000
I mean she did kind of. She told me take

1742
01:24:03,000 --> 01:24:05,359
this supplement and take that supplement because you're low in

1743
01:24:05,439 --> 01:24:08,359
these nutrients. And then I started asking the questions, well,

1744
01:24:08,399 --> 01:24:10,520
why are we low on these nutrients? Like how come

1745
01:24:10,520 --> 01:24:13,600
I'm not getting these nutrients from the things that I'm eating? Well,

1746
01:24:13,640 --> 01:24:15,600
because the things that I'm eating are not the same

1747
01:24:15,600 --> 01:24:19,039
things as they were twenty years ago. Yeah, And so

1748
01:24:19,119 --> 01:24:22,800
it was just like this whole spiral rabbit hole that

1749
01:24:22,840 --> 01:24:27,279
I went down. And the more the doctors push one thing,

1750
01:24:27,399 --> 01:24:30,119
the more they push back when you try to advocate

1751
01:24:30,159 --> 01:24:32,880
for yourself, the harder I was like, Nope, I don't

1752
01:24:32,920 --> 01:24:34,680
like it. If you're gonna tell me that I can't

1753
01:24:34,720 --> 01:24:37,079
do something that I know for a fact would help

1754
01:24:37,119 --> 01:24:39,920
me or would hinder me, then I'm not like, I

1755
01:24:39,920 --> 01:24:42,560
don't like anything about it. The minute anybody starts to

1756
01:24:42,560 --> 01:24:46,079
get too pushy about something, you bet your butt, I'm

1757
01:24:46,680 --> 01:24:47,960
asking a lot of questions about that.

1758
01:24:48,720 --> 01:24:53,520
Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah, oh my gosh. Yes. So that's like where

1759
01:24:53,560 --> 01:24:55,880
I'm always curious how people made it to that conclusion

1760
01:24:55,920 --> 01:24:58,880
because that's where I like came to the whole uh

1761
01:24:59,039 --> 01:25:02,239
truth community world was through like the avenue of looking

1762
01:25:02,239 --> 01:25:05,000
into like the healthcare industry and functional medicine. My dad,

1763
01:25:05,399 --> 01:25:08,640
my dad was like ushered to his death kind of

1764
01:25:08,640 --> 01:25:12,199
by the allopathic healthcare industry. He had cancer, hold mess

1765
01:25:12,199 --> 01:25:14,960
other like diabetic and it was all like medicated throughout

1766
01:25:14,960 --> 01:25:19,479
his entire life. And so and my parents. What was

1767
01:25:19,520 --> 01:25:22,399
ironic was my parents were these weird like don't take

1768
01:25:22,479 --> 01:25:26,159
any medication hippie people, right, and so you you would

1769
01:25:26,159 --> 01:25:29,319
imagine those would be the last people to accept drugs

1770
01:25:29,319 --> 01:25:32,399
when they walk into the doctor's office. But what happens,

1771
01:25:32,520 --> 01:25:34,600
and this is something I'm always curious to hear people's

1772
01:25:34,600 --> 01:25:37,319
take on, is is a couple of things happened. I

1773
01:25:37,319 --> 01:25:41,000
would argue in that in that room where this guy

1774
01:25:41,039 --> 01:25:43,399
in a white coat says, hey, you got X, Y

1775
01:25:43,399 --> 01:25:47,680
and Z going on, And in that moment, you're scared,

1776
01:25:48,039 --> 01:25:51,119
you're nervous, you have you know, you feel overwhelmed, and

1777
01:25:51,319 --> 01:25:56,079
you hand over your entire self, agency, your entire spirit

1778
01:25:56,159 --> 01:26:01,239
to some degree to another human being. And it was

1779
01:26:01,319 --> 01:26:04,319
a long time before I kind of came to the conclusion,

1780
01:26:04,359 --> 01:26:07,840
Like I feel like that's part of what alloppathic medicine

1781
01:26:07,960 --> 01:26:12,279
exists to do, is is to get people to contractually

1782
01:26:12,840 --> 01:26:18,199
hand over their self agency and to kind of mask

1783
01:26:18,880 --> 01:26:21,399
the kinds of stuff the creator you know, wants us

1784
01:26:21,520 --> 01:26:24,279
to feel. Like everybody now is on a statin, right,

1785
01:26:24,319 --> 01:26:28,319
Like that's the most prescribed drug out there today for

1786
01:26:28,319 --> 01:26:31,079
people who aren't aware of what those do, like those

1787
01:26:31,239 --> 01:26:34,399
decreased sex drive. They make you cold, they make you miserable,

1788
01:26:34,479 --> 01:26:38,079
Like they make you not feel stuff that regular people

1789
01:26:38,279 --> 01:26:41,119
should feel, and they're typically being prescribed like men and

1790
01:26:41,119 --> 01:26:44,800
women around like their late thirties, early forties, Like that's

1791
01:26:44,840 --> 01:26:46,560
the first time a lot of people take a statin

1792
01:26:46,800 --> 01:26:49,199
and lo and behold, mom and dad get divorced, you know,

1793
01:26:49,239 --> 01:26:51,399
five years later? What the hell is that about? Maybe

1794
01:26:51,479 --> 01:26:53,840
let's ask the question of like what drugs are they?

1795
01:26:53,960 --> 01:26:56,479
What's going on? It makes them stop caring about each other?

1796
01:26:57,039 --> 01:27:01,119
And so to me, it's it's it's in an effort

1797
01:27:01,239 --> 01:27:04,600
to get people to contractually agree to handing themselves over

1798
01:27:05,079 --> 01:27:07,800
and and also to kind of mask the stuff. We're

1799
01:27:07,800 --> 01:27:10,479
here to experience, the emotions, we're here to have, the

1800
01:27:10,680 --> 01:27:14,119
the you know, physical presence that we're meant to have

1801
01:27:14,239 --> 01:27:16,680
when you know, you can't feel your legs because you're

1802
01:27:16,720 --> 01:27:19,039
on some medication, you know. And so I'm always curious

1803
01:27:19,079 --> 01:27:21,640
as the people's thoughts on that whole concept. I guess

1804
01:27:21,680 --> 01:27:23,159
I didn't mean to wax so poetic.

1805
01:27:23,359 --> 01:27:25,880
Speaker 3: I'll say, first, you're not handing your self agency over

1806
01:27:25,920 --> 01:27:29,520
to another human being. You're handing yourself agency to just

1807
01:27:29,560 --> 01:27:33,199
a conglomeration of I don't even understand what it is,

1808
01:27:33,479 --> 01:27:35,279
because it's like we talked about this with jewels, and

1809
01:27:35,319 --> 01:27:36,920
I think we talked about this kind of when we

1810
01:27:36,960 --> 01:27:40,439
did our terrain theory AEP. It's like it's not like

1811
01:27:41,199 --> 01:27:43,600
it's like the healthcare system. It's an entity in and

1812
01:27:43,640 --> 01:27:46,479
of itself because it's like the doctor's operating in it.

1813
01:27:46,920 --> 01:27:49,840
They're not operating with agency. That's a good point, you know,

1814
01:27:51,319 --> 01:27:54,760
and like that's a crazy thing that you're encountering. It's

1815
01:27:54,800 --> 01:27:56,359
it's something in and of itself.

1816
01:27:56,840 --> 01:27:57,000
Speaker 1: You know.

1817
01:27:57,199 --> 01:28:00,760
Speaker 2: They make more money the sicker you are, right, right, yeah,

1818
01:28:00,800 --> 01:28:06,239
And so like they thrive on you being sick, which

1819
01:28:06,279 --> 01:28:09,880
is like the opposite of the reason we go to

1820
01:28:09,920 --> 01:28:12,159
the doctor. We go to the doctor to get better,

1821
01:28:12,199 --> 01:28:15,079
and they're making us sicker and so, and like for me,

1822
01:28:15,319 --> 01:28:18,199
for one, like I was in the military, the likelihood

1823
01:28:18,239 --> 01:28:21,680
of me getting cancer is like really high. So now

1824
01:28:22,199 --> 01:28:25,600
knowing that I'm like, Okay, well, I need to do X,

1825
01:28:25,720 --> 01:28:27,760
Y and Z that I already know because like I

1826
01:28:27,800 --> 01:28:29,800
already know that cancer loves sugar, so I need to

1827
01:28:29,840 --> 01:28:31,199
like cut back on my sugar. I already know that

1828
01:28:31,239 --> 01:28:34,720
cancer cannot thrive in an oxygen rigi environment, So I

1829
01:28:34,720 --> 01:28:38,720
can go to a hyperbolic chamber every so often, you know,

1830
01:28:38,880 --> 01:28:40,920
like really I wish I could go more often, but

1831
01:28:41,039 --> 01:28:44,399
like really inundate my body with like full oxygen. Like

1832
01:28:44,439 --> 01:28:46,920
there's certain things that I know because like if I

1833
01:28:46,960 --> 01:28:49,439
get cancer, like I want to fight it on two fronts.

1834
01:28:49,479 --> 01:28:52,079
I do think that some allopathic medicine would work, like

1835
01:28:52,119 --> 01:28:55,199
if if we could do a surgery or whatever. But

1836
01:28:55,319 --> 01:28:57,880
also like there's things that I can do that's homeopathic

1837
01:28:57,920 --> 01:29:00,760
that we can like figure out and move forward. But

1838
01:29:00,880 --> 01:29:04,640
I don't necessarily believe that you could do it all.

1839
01:29:05,079 --> 01:29:07,640
I'm not of the insumption of the assumption that you

1840
01:29:07,680 --> 01:29:10,439
can do it all one way or all the other true,

1841
01:29:10,479 --> 01:29:12,800
but I think that you, as your own person, need

1842
01:29:12,840 --> 01:29:15,279
to make that decision. And stop leaving it up to

1843
01:29:15,640 --> 01:29:18,039
the world to make that decision. And it's so easy

1844
01:29:18,079 --> 01:29:23,359
because doctors they're quick to know everything right. And I

1845
01:29:23,720 --> 01:29:26,000
realized this with my children when I had both my boys.

1846
01:29:26,039 --> 01:29:29,960
So I had my older boy all natural. We did

1847
01:29:29,920 --> 01:29:31,560
it air. We didn't do it a birthing center. We

1848
01:29:31,600 --> 01:29:34,039
did it in the hospital, but it was with midwives.

1849
01:29:34,079 --> 01:29:38,159
So like I was in the like birthing pool. It

1850
01:29:38,199 --> 01:29:41,359
was great, it was beautiful and honestly, like it wasn't

1851
01:29:41,680 --> 01:29:43,520
that bad. And there'd be so many women out there

1852
01:29:43,560 --> 01:29:46,399
that hate me for that. I hated being pregnant. I

1853
01:29:46,439 --> 01:29:48,560
would birth a child any day. It was not that bad.

1854
01:29:49,520 --> 01:29:52,079
But with my son, With my second son, he was breached,

1855
01:29:52,079 --> 01:29:53,439
so I had to have a C section. They told

1856
01:29:53,439 --> 01:29:55,960
me I could have vaginally still, but he would get

1857
01:29:56,000 --> 01:29:57,640
stuck and it was gonna be this whole thing. I

1858
01:29:57,720 --> 01:29:59,960
wasn't gonna risk his life, so I decided, let's just

1859
01:30:00,000 --> 01:30:02,039
go ahead and do the sea section. Well, because of that,

1860
01:30:02,079 --> 01:30:04,560
they had to hand me over to the OB's the

1861
01:30:04,720 --> 01:30:07,760
difference in the care and I'm still in the exact

1862
01:30:07,760 --> 01:30:11,000
same hospital, the exact same birthing unit, the exact same

1863
01:30:11,039 --> 01:30:13,680
mom baby unit. The only difference is I was with

1864
01:30:13,720 --> 01:30:16,000
the midwives and then I was with the Obe's and

1865
01:30:16,039 --> 01:30:20,319
the difference is so drastic. After I had my baby

1866
01:30:20,359 --> 01:30:21,840
and they take me to like the mom Baby Unit.

1867
01:30:21,920 --> 01:30:24,920
Right when I had my first son, they asked me

1868
01:30:24,960 --> 01:30:27,079
all these questions. They're like, do you want a breastfeed?

1869
01:30:27,079 --> 01:30:28,399
Do you know how? Do you want somebody to come

1870
01:30:28,399 --> 01:30:29,359
in here and talk to you about it? Do you

1871
01:30:29,359 --> 01:30:30,840
want this? Do you want that? They asked me all

1872
01:30:30,880 --> 01:30:33,239
these When I had my second son, who I went

1873
01:30:33,239 --> 01:30:35,119
with the OBE because I had to, I had a

1874
01:30:35,119 --> 01:30:37,119
sea section. They came in and they're like, this is

1875
01:30:37,119 --> 01:30:39,119
what you're gonna do. This is what we require for

1876
01:30:39,199 --> 01:30:40,960
you to do. This is and I was like, oh no, no, no,

1877
01:30:41,039 --> 01:30:42,399
I'm opting out of that. And they're like, you can't

1878
01:30:42,439 --> 01:30:43,840
opt out, and I was like, actually, I know that

1879
01:30:43,880 --> 01:30:47,039
I can, right, And then they get mad. I had

1880
01:30:47,039 --> 01:30:49,039
a nurse come in and I was so drugged up

1881
01:30:49,039 --> 01:30:51,840
and so dopey after having the sea section, because they

1882
01:30:51,840 --> 01:30:54,279
gave me. They gave me medicine that she said I

1883
01:30:54,399 --> 01:30:58,319
might push, I might push sedation if you need it

1884
01:30:58,359 --> 01:30:59,880
to me. I did not need it. I had like

1885
01:31:00,039 --> 01:31:05,079
I had like an epidural and a spinal because they

1886
01:31:05,119 --> 01:31:07,600
were gonna anyway. I don't know why, but they did both.

1887
01:31:07,920 --> 01:31:09,399
And then she's like, if you need to just be

1888
01:31:09,439 --> 01:31:11,479
sedated a little bit, like you just need to calm down,

1889
01:31:11,560 --> 01:31:13,640
then i'll push that. And then I was like, wow,

1890
01:31:13,640 --> 01:31:15,079
I'm really nauseous. All of a sudden, she's like, oh,

1891
01:31:15,119 --> 01:31:16,880
that's the sedation going in and I was like, I

1892
01:31:17,359 --> 01:31:19,600
don't need it. I'm fine, Like I'm calm, I'm good.

1893
01:31:20,119 --> 01:31:22,079
So I was pissed and then I was super dope.

1894
01:31:22,239 --> 01:31:25,119
So she comes in the nurse she's like, your son,

1895
01:31:25,199 --> 01:31:27,239
I think he has blood sugar and I was like, okay,

1896
01:31:27,239 --> 01:31:29,920
so let's do like a blood sugar test. She did it,

1897
01:31:29,960 --> 01:31:32,279
but she didn't wait for it to come back. She said,

1898
01:31:32,319 --> 01:31:36,079
we are going to supplement with formula, and I said, no, no,

1899
01:31:36,000 --> 01:31:37,800
I don't want to supplement with formula. Like I really

1900
01:31:37,840 --> 01:31:39,760
need him to latch. I really need him to take

1901
01:31:39,800 --> 01:31:41,439
the breast milk. It's the best way for him to

1902
01:31:41,439 --> 01:31:43,000
get all the new treats that he needs. He has

1903
01:31:43,039 --> 01:31:45,720
to be on breast milk. And she said, nope, we

1904
01:31:45,760 --> 01:31:47,680
are supplementing. I said, well, did the blood sugar test

1905
01:31:47,760 --> 01:31:49,439
come back? She said no, not yet. I said, we

1906
01:31:49,479 --> 01:31:52,439
can't wait. She said no. She took my baby from me.

1907
01:31:52,600 --> 01:31:54,479
Mind you, I still could not move after having my

1908
01:31:54,520 --> 01:31:56,840
C section. She takes him out of my arms. She

1909
01:31:56,920 --> 01:31:58,680
goes in a corner behind me where I could not

1910
01:31:58,720 --> 01:32:02,520
see him, and starts to feel him. My mom. Thank

1911
01:32:02,560 --> 01:32:04,840
god for that woman. She was in the in the

1912
01:32:05,000 --> 01:32:07,119
room with me, and she was gonna fight that nurse.

1913
01:32:08,000 --> 01:32:11,359
She's like, you give that baby back right now, Like

1914
01:32:11,520 --> 01:32:13,760
we're gonna go down. But you can see like the

1915
01:32:13,760 --> 01:32:15,960
difference between like you have all these options with the

1916
01:32:16,000 --> 01:32:18,079
midwives because they already know that you're coming in like

1917
01:32:18,319 --> 01:32:20,760
wanting these options with those these are like we'll tell

1918
01:32:20,800 --> 01:32:23,319
you what you want.

1919
01:32:23,960 --> 01:32:29,039
Speaker 1: God crazy, the level of arrogance and just disrespect for humanity. Yeah,

1920
01:32:29,720 --> 01:32:30,000
and I.

1921
01:32:30,079 --> 01:32:31,359
Speaker 2: Was just on a baby, like I can't move, I

1922
01:32:31,399 --> 01:32:34,199
can't chase you to get my baby back, right, Lucky,

1923
01:32:34,279 --> 01:32:35,399
I came to your hospital.

1924
01:32:35,920 --> 01:32:40,079
Speaker 1: Yeah. Hell, this isn't a side. But it was a

1925
01:32:40,199 --> 01:32:43,399
month ago. I think when I found out this is embarrassing.

1926
01:32:43,479 --> 01:32:45,239
But when I found out that people were doing c

1927
01:32:45,399 --> 01:32:46,479
sections just awake.

1928
01:32:47,319 --> 01:32:49,960
Speaker 2: I how you're awake the whole time?

1929
01:32:50,279 --> 01:32:50,880
Speaker 1: What the hell?

1930
01:32:51,439 --> 01:32:52,119
Speaker 2: Yeah?

1931
01:32:52,279 --> 01:32:55,079
Speaker 1: That should not be that's not okay, that's not okay.

1932
01:32:55,279 --> 01:32:57,239
Speaker 2: They will put you all the way out. Like there

1933
01:32:57,279 --> 01:33:00,479
are some cases which this is wild to me. Sometimes

1934
01:33:00,479 --> 01:33:03,119
your epidural doesn't take like sometimes it doesn't take at all,

1935
01:33:03,119 --> 01:33:04,720
and sometimes it only takes on like one half your

1936
01:33:04,720 --> 01:33:06,920
body and not the other half. It's crazy. So in

1937
01:33:06,960 --> 01:33:08,920
those cases then they will put you all the way under.

1938
01:33:09,359 --> 01:33:12,199
But for me, the epidural took all the way and

1939
01:33:12,239 --> 01:33:14,359
then like I was just awake the whole time. They're like,

1940
01:33:14,359 --> 01:33:15,960
you're gonna feel a little pressure, and then my whole

1941
01:33:16,000 --> 01:33:17,560
body is like moving like this, and I was.

1942
01:33:17,520 --> 01:33:22,479
Speaker 1: Like, yeah, what's happening a little pressure. They do that

1943
01:33:22,520 --> 01:33:25,359
with vasectomies too. My boss told me that I.

1944
01:33:25,079 --> 01:33:28,039
Speaker 2: I don't get no whoa whoaa. The sec is like

1945
01:33:28,239 --> 01:33:31,199
this big of an incision. I know my husband and

1946
01:33:31,239 --> 01:33:34,199
I said, you're getting and he went in and got fixed.

1947
01:33:36,079 --> 01:33:38,680
Speaker 1: That still scares me, Like I realized they're not the same.

1948
01:33:38,960 --> 01:33:47,560
I'm trying to say they're the same.

1949
01:33:48,439 --> 01:33:52,159
Speaker 2: And he gets like a little nick What a man

1950
01:33:52,199 --> 01:33:52,800
thing to say.

1951
01:33:55,560 --> 01:33:58,079
Speaker 1: That was probably the most main thing I've said today.

1952
01:33:58,439 --> 01:34:00,359
And I'll own it. I'll own it to be.

1953
01:34:00,319 --> 01:34:01,640
Speaker 2: Awake during my besac to me.

1954
01:34:04,399 --> 01:34:06,479
Speaker 1: Just No one should be awake when they're being cut

1955
01:34:06,600 --> 01:34:11,239
open just put. People should be asleep for that. But

1956
01:34:11,279 --> 01:34:13,920
I wanted to beat my baby, and that is the

1957
01:34:13,960 --> 01:34:17,880
only instance where it makes sense to me. But it's

1958
01:34:17,920 --> 01:34:20,920
still that that is that that is that's terrifying. That's

1959
01:34:20,960 --> 01:34:23,119
borderline cycle path terrifying.

1960
01:34:23,800 --> 01:34:28,119
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, watch the whole thing. He and my husband,

1961
01:34:28,159 --> 01:34:30,960
he watched thee They took your organs and they just

1962
01:34:31,000 --> 01:34:32,840
like set them outside your body and I'm like, what,

1963
01:34:33,520 --> 01:34:36,560
don't tell me anything. He's like, do you want to see?

1964
01:34:36,560 --> 01:34:37,960
I'm gonna take a picture. I was like, don't take

1965
01:34:38,079 --> 01:34:41,520
don't you dare? I do not want to see I

1966
01:34:41,560 --> 01:34:42,279
will throw up.

1967
01:34:42,880 --> 01:34:44,359
Speaker 1: Yes, I want to see any of it.

1968
01:34:44,720 --> 01:34:48,199
Speaker 2: He was very excited about it though. Yeah, he he

1969
01:34:48,319 --> 01:34:49,600
likes to see all that stuff. He's like, if I

1970
01:34:49,600 --> 01:34:51,239
ever get a new replacement, I hope they give me

1971
01:34:51,279 --> 01:34:51,720
a mirror.

1972
01:34:52,359 --> 01:34:56,039
Speaker 1: Oh it's yeah. Why My my boss used to do

1973
01:34:56,119 --> 01:34:59,039
that for a living. He was a surgery tech. And

1974
01:34:59,239 --> 01:35:01,520
some of those pictures are wild. I mean there you

1975
01:35:01,560 --> 01:35:04,359
just see like just inside of a hip. Yeah, looking

1976
01:35:04,399 --> 01:35:08,920
inside of there me either, But I get shown whether

1977
01:35:09,000 --> 01:35:09,680
I want to or not.

1978
01:35:10,359 --> 01:35:11,640
Speaker 2: Yeah, I opt out.

1979
01:35:12,199 --> 01:35:15,239
Speaker 1: Uh yeah, yeah, id opted out of being awake during surgery,

1980
01:35:15,279 --> 01:35:16,520
but we don't always get what we want.

1981
01:35:17,880 --> 01:35:20,159
Speaker 2: That's actually the second surgery I was awake for.

1982
01:35:21,279 --> 01:35:21,840
Speaker 1: Oh my god.

1983
01:35:22,319 --> 01:35:24,119
Speaker 2: I had a wrist surgery one time and they told

1984
01:35:24,199 --> 01:35:25,760
me I was going to go under. They said, like

1985
01:35:25,800 --> 01:35:27,800
because I had had risk surgery before. And they're like, yeah,

1986
01:35:27,800 --> 01:35:29,439
we're gonna put you away. And they're like, we're just

1987
01:35:29,479 --> 01:35:32,680
going to try to like you know, just locally anesthesia.

1988
01:35:32,840 --> 01:35:35,239
And I was like, so, I'm not going to sleep,

1989
01:35:35,560 --> 01:35:38,039
and they're like, no, it'll be fine. And then like

1990
01:35:38,079 --> 01:35:39,640
we're in there and I'm like trying to focus on

1991
01:35:39,680 --> 01:35:41,239
like the heart rate monitor because I can hear it,

1992
01:35:41,359 --> 01:35:43,119
and then all of a sudden, it's like getting faster

1993
01:35:43,600 --> 01:35:46,079
and faster because I'm starting to have a panic attack

1994
01:35:46,119 --> 01:35:48,000
and I'm freaking out because like I can hear them

1995
01:35:48,039 --> 01:35:50,680
like in my I'm like, you guys, gotta knock me out.

1996
01:35:51,720 --> 01:35:55,119
I can't do this anyway.

1997
01:35:55,560 --> 01:35:59,439
Speaker 1: Yeah, no, one, no. Yeah. And that's good, but at

1998
01:35:59,479 --> 01:36:02,359
what cont at what cost?

1999
01:36:02,720 --> 01:36:05,439
Speaker 2: I know I can get through it. You can do anything,

2000
01:36:05,560 --> 01:36:07,079
true for a short amount of time.

2001
01:36:09,279 --> 01:36:12,279
Speaker 1: I guess that that's a fair point, But I don't

2002
01:36:12,359 --> 01:36:14,479
want to that's the problem. Is I'm a weenie.

2003
01:36:15,039 --> 01:36:17,199
Speaker 2: Oh, just man up a little bit. I know.

2004
01:36:17,239 --> 01:36:19,039
Speaker 1: I'm working on it. I'm working on it thirty two

2005
01:36:19,079 --> 01:36:20,680
years old and still working on it. I'll figure it out.

2006
01:36:20,680 --> 01:36:26,159
One day, it'll happen, I will. Well, this has been fun.

2007
01:36:26,199 --> 01:36:27,640
Thank you for Thank you for making the time. I

2008
01:36:27,680 --> 01:36:29,960
know you have probably a million other things you could

2009
01:36:29,960 --> 01:36:32,000
and probably should be doing, but you're spending time with us,

2010
01:36:32,039 --> 01:36:33,039
and we appreciate it.

2011
01:36:33,520 --> 01:36:36,439
Speaker 2: I am working on Wayfair right now, so it's a

2012
01:36:36,479 --> 01:36:37,239
nice little break.

2013
01:36:37,279 --> 01:36:39,039
Speaker 1: Oh, I'll be interested to listen to.

2014
01:36:39,199 --> 01:36:41,159
Speaker 2: I think it's going to be a short episode, like

2015
01:36:41,199 --> 01:36:43,560
a really hard time. It's just as straightforward as you

2016
01:36:43,600 --> 01:36:50,760
think it is. Okay, the history besides yeah, like maybe yeah,

2017
01:36:50,920 --> 01:36:54,079
it seems like they probably did no, but it's as

2018
01:36:54,119 --> 01:36:57,520
straightforward as you think. So now I'm like, do I

2019
01:36:57,560 --> 01:37:00,600
add something into it to make it like longer?

2020
01:37:01,199 --> 01:37:03,399
Speaker 1: Right? Her a little more exciting? Shows you up?

2021
01:37:03,439 --> 01:37:06,159
Speaker 2: Maybe I'm going through all the Epstein files but like,

2022
01:37:06,239 --> 01:37:08,800
and everyone's like, oh, they paid all this money to Epstein,

2023
01:37:08,840 --> 01:37:13,199
but I think that it was a mistake. Interesting, Like

2024
01:37:13,319 --> 01:37:17,000
I don't think like you have Epstein's like girlfriend or whoever,

2025
01:37:18,279 --> 01:37:26,359
what is her name? Karina? Oh Karina Shulia anyway, So

2026
01:37:26,479 --> 01:37:28,720
she was like buying all kinds of things on Wayfair,

2027
01:37:29,119 --> 01:37:33,319
but like for reasonable prices at anybody. She like bought

2028
01:37:33,319 --> 01:37:35,119
a lamp and it was like a hundred bucks and

2029
01:37:35,159 --> 01:37:37,520
I was like, yeah, that seems like a reasonable man

2030
01:37:37,640 --> 01:37:42,199
for a lamp, Like I can't find it. Yeah, Like,

2031
01:37:42,479 --> 01:37:44,920
she just really liked Wayfair and she did a lot

2032
01:37:44,960 --> 01:37:48,079
of Wayfair shopping so well.

2033
01:37:48,119 --> 01:37:50,239
Speaker 1: I mean, with all that Epstein cash, I'd be shopping too,

2034
01:37:50,359 --> 01:37:52,039
to be fair, But like when.

2035
01:37:51,920 --> 01:37:54,199
Speaker 2: Didn't Okay, this is where I get like a little

2036
01:37:54,279 --> 01:37:54,920
hooked up on it.

2037
01:37:54,960 --> 01:37:55,159
Speaker 1: Though.

2038
01:37:55,239 --> 01:37:58,319
Speaker 2: Wouldn't you buy something like wouldn't you have somebody to

2039
01:37:58,399 --> 01:37:59,560
like buy you something nicer?

2040
01:38:00,239 --> 01:38:00,520
Speaker 1: Right?

2041
01:38:00,800 --> 01:38:02,239
Speaker 2: You know, like why don't you have like a designer

2042
01:38:02,239 --> 01:38:03,640
to come Because at one point she bought like a

2043
01:38:03,680 --> 01:38:05,600
bathroom sink, and I was like, why would you buy

2044
01:38:05,640 --> 01:38:06,439
a bathroom sink?

2045
01:38:07,359 --> 01:38:08,119
Speaker 1: That is strange?

2046
01:38:08,439 --> 01:38:12,239
Speaker 2: Jeffrey Epstein's girlfriend allegedly, I don't know that's what they say.

2047
01:38:12,760 --> 01:38:16,359
You're his girlfriend. Why are you buying a sink? Don't

2048
01:38:16,399 --> 01:38:17,840
you have somebody to come to your house and like

2049
01:38:18,239 --> 01:38:19,039
do that for you?

2050
01:38:19,800 --> 01:38:23,239
Speaker 1: Right? I don't know that's a good point. Yeah, you

2051
01:38:23,279 --> 01:38:25,319
would you would think they would have like personal shoppers

2052
01:38:25,399 --> 01:38:28,560
or whatever, and he had a whole damn school he bought. So, like,

2053
01:38:28,600 --> 01:38:30,239
you know, surely you can find a sink in there.

2054
01:38:31,720 --> 01:38:32,079
Speaker 2: Yeah.

2055
01:38:32,359 --> 01:38:33,039
Speaker 1: Right, it's a good point.

2056
01:38:33,039 --> 01:38:34,680
Speaker 2: There's got to be one of them. I'll look at that.

2057
01:38:35,239 --> 01:38:36,159
Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm excited.

2058
01:38:37,479 --> 01:38:38,239
Speaker 2: I'm almost done.

2059
01:38:39,319 --> 01:38:39,960
Speaker 1: It's done.

2060
01:38:40,079 --> 01:38:42,760
Speaker 2: Yeah, I'll probably record it tomorrow or on Wednesday. I

2061
01:38:42,760 --> 01:38:43,680
don't work on Tuesdays.

2062
01:38:44,800 --> 01:38:46,119
Speaker 1: Nice, I'm jealous.

2063
01:38:47,439 --> 01:38:49,640
Speaker 2: I go to school on Tuesdays.

2064
01:38:49,680 --> 01:38:50,680
Speaker 1: You're in school too.

2065
01:38:51,039 --> 01:38:52,600
Speaker 2: No, no, no, I take my kids to school.

2066
01:38:52,760 --> 01:38:54,840
Speaker 1: Oh okay, I'm Lena. Say good heavens is there anything

2067
01:38:54,840 --> 01:38:56,640
you don't do? But okay, that makes me feel a

2068
01:38:56,680 --> 01:38:58,560
little better, a little better.

2069
01:38:59,039 --> 01:38:59,800
Speaker 2: I only have the one.

2070
01:39:00,439 --> 01:39:02,960
Speaker 1: I could have more pigs, the one pig. You also

2071
01:39:03,159 --> 01:39:05,359
farm in your spare time, don't you?

2072
01:39:05,399 --> 01:39:06,840
Speaker 2: He doesn't everybody you.

2073
01:39:06,800 --> 01:39:08,880
Speaker 1: Know, I wish I did. I literally live in a

2074
01:39:08,920 --> 01:39:11,800
duplex next to some very white trash people, so I

2075
01:39:12,199 --> 01:39:14,039
don't have a play. I guess I could farm if

2076
01:39:14,079 --> 01:39:17,279
I like really wanted to, but I feel like they

2077
01:39:17,359 --> 01:39:19,760
might shoot me, so I haven't tried yet.

2078
01:39:20,399 --> 01:39:22,920
Speaker 2: I don't do that much. I do the bare minimum

2079
01:39:22,960 --> 01:39:23,479
to give bye.

2080
01:39:24,239 --> 01:39:26,239
Speaker 1: That is what people who don't do the bare minimum

2081
01:39:26,279 --> 01:39:30,239
say that's that's exactly what they say.

2082
01:39:32,119 --> 01:39:34,680
Speaker 2: Okay, well, if it makes fee any better, My studio

2083
01:39:34,800 --> 01:39:36,720
is still not the colors that I painted or that

2084
01:39:36,760 --> 01:39:39,760
I bought to paint it like a month ago.

2085
01:39:40,800 --> 01:39:44,199
Speaker 1: It looks good, I mean, it looks great. I like it.

2086
01:39:45,079 --> 01:39:47,359
Speaker 2: Yeah, I think the color washes me out. It's gonna

2087
01:39:47,359 --> 01:39:48,319
be cool when it's done.

2088
01:39:48,479 --> 01:39:49,960
Speaker 1: I'm excited to see the finished product.

2089
01:39:50,479 --> 01:39:52,840
Speaker 2: Yeah. I don't know if we'll ever get there. We'll

2090
01:39:52,840 --> 01:39:53,520
see what happens.

2091
01:39:54,439 --> 01:39:57,880
Speaker 1: Studios are work in progress. Yeah, I get it. I

2092
01:39:57,960 --> 01:40:01,159
get it. Yeah, all right, well thanks for doing this.

2093
01:40:01,239 --> 01:40:04,720
I guess, uh John, anything else, No, I don't think so.

2094
01:40:04,760 --> 01:40:08,359
It's just fantastic. Yeah, we appreciate it. You wanna tell

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folks where they can find you again?

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Speaker 2: Yeah, the rabbit hole, conspiracy theories, wherever you get your podcasts,

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where you get your YouTube's or your rumble videos. If

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I am not careful, I'm not gonna be on TikTok

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any longer. But I get one more I think I

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get one more chance before they kick me right on

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out of there. But on Instagram, I do like I'll

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answer all the messages I get on Instagram so at

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Rabbit dot Hole podcast over there.

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Speaker 1: Nice love it. Yeah, go like follow all the all

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the things people do on the social media folks. Yeah,

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we'll be going live tomorrow again for and I'm sorry

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to have to say this a second time and subject

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you to it for Touch Me Tuesdays at seven pm.

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And then we'll be doing the show with the Jewels

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from Great pield on the twenty eighth, right, John the

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twenty eighth You And then we've got some Patreon stuff

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coming up soon, so go check that out. We just

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put a bonus episode there with Tyler Garrison, who is

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a phenomenal human being. It's a great show, but main

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thing is go check out Danny stuff. It's phenomenal and

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I can speak to that. I rarely ever say that

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about anything, so very true. You're a very negative person.

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I am very negative and also a big drudging with phrase. Yeah,

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so go check it out. It is super good And

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if you don't want to waste time listening to a

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bunch of mumbo job like her, her show is really

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is really good. I can't say enough good stuff about it,

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So go check that out, folks. Thanks for listening, and

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thank you again. Danny, it's been fantastic.

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Speaker 2: Thanks.

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Speaker 1: We'll catch you guys next time.

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Speaker 2: Hey friends. The rabbit Hole is an independent podcast, written, hosted,

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and produced by me Danny Mercy. Special thanks to Lindsay

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for research and writing. If you love the podcast, please

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leave us a five star rating. Interview wherever you're listening,

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follow us on social media at rabbit dot Hole podcast,

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and visit our website at Stay Skeptical dot com for

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everything else