Speaker 1: Welcome back, folks to another episode of the there Atas
Road Unusual Monday stream because I hate Mondays, so we
never do this on a Monday. But we have Danny
from the rabbit Hole podcast here with this. We're very
excited to talk to her. Danny, how are you, how's life?
How's your Monday evening going? All that?
Speaker 2: Mondays are like the best day for me because I
have so many other things going on. All of my
weekends or weeknights are so filled up that like the
day the only time I could do it.
Speaker 1: That that tracks, that tracks. So instead of you having
a nice, peaceful evening, we're taking it up and making
it more difficult. And I'm sorry about that.
Speaker 2: I don't think podcasting is hard, so no, oh, talking
to you, I was just I would just be painting
by number, I not number, so I have to paint
with in the lines.
Speaker 1: I get that I can't even do that. So I
find that, honestly a kind of I don't know, encouraging, impressive,
I guess, I guess I'll find it impressive.
Speaker 2: Unusual punishment.
Speaker 1: I get. I've never understood people who like paint with mandela.
Is it like a mandala Mandela whatever. It's not the effect,
but it's the you guys know what I'm talking about. No, Okay,
Well that being said, folks, we're live tonight. Go check
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am I missing? John? We're we're gonna be doing Talking
with Jewels from Gray Pilds in like a week and
a half on March No, February twenty eighth. Yeah, and
I think that Touch Me Tuesdays. We do Touch Me
Tuesdays every Tuesday at seven pm, where we talk about
the things that touch me this week and hopefully we'll
touch you too. I know. Yeah, I've gotten a lot
of flak for that.
Speaker 2: I'm like, no, I don't want to be a part
of I'm gonna pass. I'm glad this Monday.
Speaker 1: Yes, we would never have somebody on and and and
surprise them with with that name.
Speaker 2: I would hate to do that to me Tuesday. I'm good.
Speaker 1: I don't know. Yeah, we've held off having guests for that.
I feel like that I I may have been a
little intoxicated when we came up with that name, and
now it's I don't think there's any changing it now.
I mean we do it every week, so yeah, it's
it's it's a weekly thing now, for better or worse.
It's a recurring, uh problem, I guess is the best
way to say that.
Speaker 3: Yeah, but it's it's a good like it's a good
thing for like, it's cultural commentary.
Speaker 1: So I think it is a little bit it's just
me bitching for an hour and a half is what
it is, honestly said.
Speaker 2: Things that touch like touch you, which means that like
like nice things, like kind things.
Speaker 1: Uh. Sometimes often it's just piss you off. Yes, all
of the above. Like we've had the odd like tender moment,
you know, where I talked about like a I don't know,
like a mother, uh gently caressing a fawn in a field,
you know. But most of it's uh you know, like
you know, maybe finding a cult symbolism and news stories
complaining about whatever Pam Bondi's up to.
Speaker 2: You should call it curn Events Tuesday.
Speaker 1: That's that's a much nicer name. Yeah, that that might
that might help. Actually, that might be the catalyst to
get us to clean up the show at this point
because if my if my I don't know, if any
of my family ever sees this, I will be I'll
never talk to them again, which might be a positive.
Actually I might look into, you know, forcibly presenting them
with it. I don't know how else to say that.
So yeah, touch Tuesdays every Tuesday at seven. Uh, And
I think that's it for us. Danny, Where can where
can all the people find you? Well?
Speaker 2: You have it on the bottom of the screen.
Speaker 1: It says, oh, well done, John. I didn't even notice that.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I don't even have to say it, thank goodness,
because I don't know find me my podcast. I do
know this, Okay. My podcast comes out on Wednesday and
on sometimes on Monday, because if I have a guest,
then I'll put on an episode on Monday. But if
I don't have a guest, then no Monday episode. Then
you just get a Wednesday episode.
Speaker 1: I get that. I get that.
Speaker 2: So yeah, that's it. That's all I got.
Speaker 1: It's okay.
Speaker 2: Where we can find podcasts, where we can find youtubes
and rumbles, that's where it's at.
Speaker 1: All the places, all the places where they put the shows.
Speaker 2: Although I did get a notification from TikTok today they're
about to ban my ban my account.
Speaker 1: Well done. What was their reason this time?
Speaker 2: I've been really really good about playing the TikTok algorithm,
so that's kind of like, you know, I put really
nice things out there on TikTok. I'm not trying to
get banned. I want to keep putting things on TikTok
that way find me. And then you know, I talked
about how the CIA is training pedophiles and they got
really bad about that. So you know, one.
Speaker 1: Time one pedophile comment and they brand you for life
a bunch of dicks.
Speaker 2: Yeah, well maybe they should stop.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm a novel idea.
Speaker 2: Talking about it, so they should stop doing it.
Speaker 1: I like that. I support that. I think that's a
good strategy for how to live your life. Actually, yeah, yeah,
they should stop being pedophiles. Quote from the show. We'll
put that on the wall back here, Yeah, do it.
I like that like that lot. So, uh, first thing
I wanted to mention I typically and not this is
going to be very hypocritical. Am not a fan of
like shows in this space. And I was telling John
this before before we got started. I'm already so bad
at time management, Like I don't have time to sit
here and watch people like me for like twenty minutes,
you know about whatever. And so that's why I'm such
a big fan of like your show, especially because it's
it's literally just the stuff. It's you giving me the stuff,
and it's so much like I just love it. It's
so direct, it's so clean, you cut out all the fat,
like it's easily. Maybe it might be like it's it's
up there, it's top Yeah, top show, big fan, thank you.
Speaker 2: I actually don't listen to any other conspiracy theory podcasts.
I want to, like, I want to support other people,
but I don't want to listen to you because what
if it can like corrupts like what I put in
my podcast, you know, right, and so like I have
to like not. I get that I and I feel
really bad because like I and I so when I
see things on like TikTok or Instagram, like on social
media when I'm scrolling, I always like it and I
try to share it when I when I can, But
I won't listen to your podcast, and I'm sorry.
Speaker 1: I like that. I like that a lot. Actually, yeah,
I'm a fan.
Speaker 2: It's funny that you called it direct, because I get
called that a lot. People are like, Danny's very direct.
I'm like, is that am I mean?
Speaker 1: And I mean, you know, I hear people who are
direct at like, I've had people ask me that on
a number of occasions who just tend to be just honest.
And I think part of the problem is, like the
social commentary on honesty is really at this point. It's
this whole idea that you have to like spend time
navigating all of these like like social concepts that we're
supposed to dance around, and it's nobody has time for that.
It's ridiculous. It's completely ridiculous.
Speaker 2: And excuse what I'm trying to tell you.
Speaker 1: Right, Yeah, if you ask.
Speaker 2: Me do I look fat in this dress, I'm gonna
tell you yes or no.
Speaker 1: You look like a cow. Yeah, you can just tell
them that, right. Yeah.
Speaker 2: I don't have a lot of friends because of it.
Speaker 1: It's okay, It's perfectly fine. Honesty is good for honesty
and sometimes losing friends, but it's it's okay, Yeah, around
they do. And that's the thing. The real people will
we will find you at the at a minimum, at
a minimum I feel like the real people will find
you so true, so true. So I had I had
a couple of so that directness correct me if I'm wrong.
You you you were in the military once upon a
coon before you got intoday, back in the day. So
I'm curious. I've met a lot of people who have
like been ex military and and have like similar viewpoints
as yours, but you're out here talking about it, and that,
from what I've seen, is is super strange. I've met
a lot of people who were like hardcore nationalists after
being in the service, and a lot of people who
just don't want to like talk about anything related to
uh reality honestly after a little while. But I'm curious
as to like what your your process of Like I
guess waking up was having that kind of a background,
because this is it's it's an odd combination, like seeing
somebody who does what you do with the past like
you have you know that Does that make sense? Is
that track?
Speaker 2: Yeah? No, it makes sense. So I was I would
say I grew up a conspiracy theorist. I grew up
in a house where you question everything and everything's like
not what it seems. So like I was seven when
nine to eleven happened, And from the get go, my
dad was like, do you see how this building is falling?
Do you see those like those plumes. That's not a
plane crash, that's a controlled demolition from like seven years old.
So like when you grow up in a house where
like everything's a little messed up, like you just think
that everything's a little messed up. And so when I
was in the military, like I I don't want to say,
like my head was in the stand. I was dealing
with so many other things while I was in that,
Like I didn't really keep up with conspiracy theories and
so all the things that kind of happened in that timeframe,
I was kind of just like not aware of them
because I wasn't paying attention. And then but my so
my mom always told me, like you would be really
good for the radio, not that like I have a
face for radio, but like I have a voice for
radio that I would do really well, like speaking and
having a like a radio station. It was like that's
that's awesome. So then it's like twenty t twenty, I'm
trying to figure out, like I have to do something
with my life. I got out of the Navy two
years ago. I got to figure it out and I
was like, what am I just start a podcast? Radios
radio station like radio, that's our that's out. The podcasts
are super in. I was like, I got to start
a podcast. So I did started a podcast. Uh, it
was not this podcast. It was a different podcast, and
it did well. I think like it was a really
good learning experience, Like we learned a lot. I learned
a lot about myself. But just like life got in
the way and I kept wanting to be lazy and
that really sucked. And I knew that if I stopped
being lazy and if I just did the work, because
I really liked true crime podcasts that when they explained
the story the way I explained the conspiracies, right, they
explained the story from start to finish. They explain all
the possible suspects and then like and what happened to
the people, and that's it, Like you don't have to
know anything about this true crime story to jump in
and listen to it. All right, that's what I want
to do. But conspiracy theories, because every middle aged female
has a true crime podcast, I'm not doing that again.
So I did conspiracy theories, but again I still wanted
to be lazy, and so a lot of my first episodes,
like I was very lazy. I thought like I didn't
have to do all this work to begin with, and
then eventually I was like, no, I just like need
to suck it up.
Speaker 1: Yeah, here we are that that's that's fair. It is.
It was so when we started this, it was what
twenty eighteen ish when me and Murph started doing this,
I really we did. There was a really really shitty
iteration of this that's out there, very private on YouTube
that hopefully no one has ever seen. And it is
it's it's it's aggressively time consuming, and I would imagine,
especially the style of presentation that you have, I have
no clue how you have time to compile all that,
Like I don't even have time for like the we
and I'm terrible at time management, like self admittedly it's
my worst thing, but like, how do you even and
this is like a U I guess, a selfish question,
how do you even manage like manage your time?
Speaker 2: So when I first started, you're not gonna believe this.
When I first started, I had a newborn or basically
a newborhn well, he was just a baby. He's like
six months old. So I would research during nap times
and after bedtime, and I would just like research while
he was sleeping, and then I would record once a
week and I would just hope for the best when
I wasn't doing as much editing then because I was
just doing an audio podcast and that was a lot
easier for me. Now that I do a video podcast
is a lot trickier. But I don't know, I don't
I really don't know how I did it. Because then
after like a little bit of him just being young,
I started nannying because like my podcast wasn't making money
and I had to do something. My husband was out
working every day, but like we needed a little bit
more money. So I started nannying. And so now I
have two kids in my house and I have to navigate,
like and their their young kids. They're like just about
to be one, so they're little, And so I navigated
like nannying and then just researching, and a lot of
it was like very last minute. A lot of it
was a lot of late nights, Like I can't tell you,
like I was already losing sleep because I have a
like a infant at home and let alone. Like now
I'm up all night doing research for my podcast, right,
and my husband the whole time was like, oh, like
this is just a hobby that she really likes. Well,
it was like March of twenty twenty four, and finally
I was like, I think that we should get a
nanny or like somebody come watch the kids, because now
at that point I had two kids myself, Like, we
should have somebody to come and watch the kids two
times a week that way I can get a little
bit more done. And then eventually it was three days
a week, and now we're up to four days a
week because like one of the days we homeschool our kids,
and so one of the days we go to like
homeschool community, and then the other four days I podcast
full time. But now I need that extra day because
I'm not doing interviews as well. Right, And the editing
for like video editing takes a lot of time.
Speaker 1: It's so time consuming. Yeah, yeah, I don't I don't
know how you manage that even with that extra time. Honestly,
it's that.
Speaker 2: Very good time management.
Speaker 1: So that's what that's like. Okay, now I'm learning what
it's like okay, Like.
Speaker 2: I also like wake up at five am, and I
don't go to bed until like ten thirty or eleven on.
But there are nights still now that like my my
podcast posts at one am on Wednesday morning. If it's
not out at one, Like if it's Tuesday at ten
pm and my podcast isn't done, I'm out here until
one am trying to get it done.
Speaker 1: Dang.
Speaker 2: Like I I will just work constantly. I go inside,
like the boys they go to daycare and I go,
I drop them off, I go pick them up, I
bring them home. We do dinner time, school, bedtime, all
of that, and then as soon as they're in bed,
I come back out here and I go back to work.
Speaker 1: Oh my gosh, Okay, I just don't stop working ever
it sounds no, I mean, yeah, no, I mean and
I love that. Yeah no, I love that. And I
think that needs to be more like what regular life
is like. And I guess like that's one of the
things that have having a corporate job like it does.
You can people who do things that they enjoy real
work have so much more energy than the said middle
aged people that I work with, who essentially appear to
be working towards their own death every passing day, you know,
at a corporate job. And so it's it's encouraging to
see somebody legitimately doing something that like gives them energy,
that gives them, you know, a purpose. Yeah, because that's
so rare and I don't know, I mean, the system
seems certainly very well designed to direct people into that,
into that corporate funnel to sap their energy and also easier.
Speaker 2: I think that's what people don't talk about because like,
I don't get a consistent paycheck. If I don't put
in the work, I don't get paid, right, I don't
get paid time off. If my kid is sick tomorrow
and my podcast is not out for Wednesday, I'm going
to be with him all day long while he's sick.
My husband's gonna come home, we're going to tag out,
and I'm going to come out here and work until
midnight or one am, trying to get that podcast out
because I don't get that time off and I don't
get to like just not put it out because how
many people are waiting to listen to it?
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 2: Yeah, So like, but also there was a time, I
mean for a year and a half, two years I
wasn't being paid for this. I was just doing all
the work with none of the reward.
Speaker 1: Right.
Speaker 2: So, Like, it's it's easier to go to a corporate job,
I think because when when you want to leave, you
leave the job there, you don't own.
Speaker 1: It, right, Yeah, and that is that is the nice
thing about that is you don't have you know, I
refuse to take work home with me. I am a
bad corporate employee, very bad corporate employee. But they keep
me around because other employees are worse. I guess I
don't really know, but they continue to employ me, which
is nice. So so growing up in a family that so
you grew up in a family that was weird essentially,
like strange, not very not mainstream. It sounds like do
what it was normal to me? I mean, yeah, that
makes sense. That makes sense. Was was that like was
was that difficult? Like from a social perspective.
Speaker 2: I didn't know, Yes, but I didn't realize it. That
makes sense. Like like I would go and I would
like say things at school and people would be like,
what are you talking about? And I was like, yeah,
isn't this a normal conversation you're all having? And like
people would make fun of me. I it was this
is perfect. I love that I did not know in
school that I was being made fun of behind my back.
I had no idea. I didn't know until after I
graduated and I moved on already that people were making
fun of me the whole time. I had no idea.
It was awesome because had I known, I was ben
so self conscious, but I didn't know. So it was great.
Speaker 1: That is nice. That is nice. I grew up kind
of in a similar fashion and so far as like
my family were like weird hippie type people, I guess,
and like I don't know. We were messing around with
like tinctures and macrobiotic met and like a weird weird
as a child. And so I was that weird kid
that like brought odd goop to lunch at school every day.
Speaker 3: And yeah, I mean you had hippie holistic health parents
in the nineties in yeah, in the South.
Speaker 1: Yeah that it wasn't a good combination. It was this. Yeah,
the swift hand of judgment showed itself very quickly at school.
It showed itself very quickly. So like going from that
and then into the military and then kind of being
awake that whole time, which is just I can't even
understand what it would have been like growing up with
that kind of perspective, because like when we you know,
when nine to eleven happened, I think I was eight,
and you know, for me, it was this like big
you know, it was it was what everybody said it
was right, it was it was the world falling apart.
It was, you know, this very strange falling of two buildings.
The plane flew into us, very odd, and like I did,
I guess I didn't get that upset about it personally
because I was like, I don't know any of these people.
I guess they're dead, but so are a lot of
other people. It doesn't really bother me. Yeah, I was
kind of an a leaving today, John, I'm sorry, but uh,
I can't even imagine what that like. How how you
managed to make it from from that into the military
and then and then here now, And what is your
perspective on like the whole military industrial complex given that
that background, I'm very curious about that having kind of
been inside it, and also like working in the conspiracy
theory world, I've heard you talk a lot about, you know,
some of these corrupt military figures and and you know,
they're their part, they had, they've had to play and
a lot of really really messed up stuff. So what
what is your perspective on all of that.
Speaker 2: So it's really hard because like I wasn't fully awake
when I was in the military, so some really crappy
things happened to me when I first joined the military,
and so I was really self centered and self focused
when I was in And I was young too, so
like the only reason I joined was I did color
guard when I was in high school and I really
liked it, and my dream I was like, I'm gonna
go on, I'm gonna be a color guard coach. I'm
gonna just like keep marching forever and ever and ever.
I'm just gonna do color guard for the rest of
my life. My dad's like, that's not a career, and
I was like, it is a career because my coach
does it. Like in my mind, I was like, somebody's
doing it, because he is here coaching us on how
to do this. Like somebody's doing it. So like I
had this big, massive dream that like that's what I'm
gonna do. And my dad was like, absolutely not, that's
not you're not doing that. So I had to like
come to come to terms, like I have to do
something after high school and it can't be this. So
he I don't want to say he bullied me. He
convinced me in an aggressive way that I need to
stop doing color guard. But it happened so aggressively that
I was like, I need to stop now, being like
the end of my junior year going into my senior year.
So I didn't even like do color guard my senior year,
which made it really tricky because then I didn't have
any friends because all my friends were still like it was.
So I was like, okay, but I have to do
something and I'm not gonna keep going to school like
this sucks. So the air Force came to the school
and I was like, I'm joining the air Force. I
call my mom dad like, hey, I'm joining the air Force.
They're like, okay, cool, let's do it. No questions. They
didn't battle by, They're like, let's go. So, like that
weekend we were at the recruiter's office. The air Force
didn't show up. The arm or not the Army. The
Army wasn't even in that building. The Navy was very smart.
They were like, hey, are you waiting for the Air Force?
You could wait on these really comfy couches that we
have in our office.
Speaker 1: Oh so nice of them, genius.
Speaker 2: And I was like, okay, cool, sounds good. And we
go and they're like, so, why do you want to
join the Air Force? You know, they start striking up
a conversation. They're like, well, did you know the Navy's
the only branch that can guarantee your job before you
go in? And I was like, no, I didn't know that,
So now I'm joining the Navy. But I said, whoa,
whoa mm I do not ever, ever, ever want to
go on a ship and they're like, deal, you don't
have to. And I was like this seems too good
to be true. And then I never went on a ship,
so it was perfect because I did not want to.
I never wanted to. I did fly over my sister,
and my sister was on the Nimitz and I flew
above her.
Speaker 1: It's kind of the sweet sister bonding moment.
Speaker 2: No, she didn't know I was there. Oh well, okay,
so well I mean maybe she did. I don't really,
I don't know. Anyway, The point is I joined the Navy,
and but I was so like self focused because I
had so much, so much happening, and like, you can
only focus on so much, so I wasn't really worried
about what was happening like globally, I really wasn't worried
about any of that. I was just trying to get
through like the next day, and then the next day,
and then the next day, and then eventually I did
get I got medically retired out of the Navy. So
they were like, hey, we broke you. We can't fix you,
we don't want to fix you. If we pay you,
will you leave?
Speaker 1: That's so charming. Wow, Okay, it wasn't.
Speaker 2: I was pissed. I was so mad because I was like,
I'm not broken, Like you guys did this. You should
own up to it. But of course, like they wantn't.
So now I'm happy because I have all the retirement
benefits right, But at the time I was not pleased,
but I had I don't really know how I woke
up again. It's just like one day I was like,
I'm curious about conspiracy theories. Always been curious. I want
to know more. There's so many that I keep hearing about,
but I don't actually know the history. I don't know
anything about them because I've my head's been in the
sand for the past five years, like I just haven't
paid attention. So now all of a sudden, I was like,
I should start researching them. What are people talking about?
What is pizzagate? What even is that? What is like
the moon landing? Do we not land on the moon? Like?
I was so like because my dad would talk about
big things, but he wouldn't like I mean big things.
The Moon's big, but like current event things. Yeah, so yeah,
I had heard about them, but like even Kim Trail.
Somebody's like, yeah, there's Kim Trails. I was like, I
don't know where it is, right. It sounds crazy now
that I know everything I know, But at the time
I was like, Okay, let's let's dive in. Well. Now
it's easy for me to look back at my military
time and be like it was corrupt, But it's not
corrupt at the junior level the way like where I was, right, right,
But the higher you get up, the more corrupt. It
is just like the Catholic Church, right, like you have
like people, I mean I said it in my podcast
about the Vatican, like the Catholic Church as a cult,
except the people. And I also said that they're worshiping the devil.
I don't think that the people like at the bottom
that are just there, like they go to church every
every month or every sorry, every week, that they're in
a cult. I don't think that they realize that. And
I don't think that they're trying to worship the devil.
I think that they're actually trying to worship God. However,
the people that are running that organization are same thing
with the military. The people that are running the organization
are in it for themselves.
Speaker 1: Yeah, gosh, yeah, that makes a lot of sense. And
that's one thing that like, I obviously I have a
tough time in public saying things, and so I have
to be really careful around just like ex Millit I
bartended for a long time. I have to be really
careful around folks like that because I don't want to
disparage what is is likely a very like you know,
honest desire to do something good, right, but you know,
learn the things you do in this space. I also
have this just you know, uh, inherent attitude of like,
well that's that's kind of that's kind of gay what
you're doing, like what you're a part of, and so
it's it's hard to it's hard to balance those things.
Have you noticed anything like like that in your own
life or have you noticed that in like people around you?
Speaker 2: No, Because when you realize that, like most of the
people join the military just to like get out of
their hometowns, just to go to college for free, just
to like do something, they like go travel. Like the
people don't join the military to be a part of
the industrial complex, right, They joined the military to like
do something about them their own life. Everybody's inherently selfish, right,
Like you're not joining to be a part of this,
like to be a cog in a machine. You're joining
because what they can do for you. And some people
are I'm not trying to say, like nobody, Like there
are some people that watched or played Call of Duty,
watched all the war movies that they're like, I'm going.
Speaker 1: To war and you're like, I wanna go America.
Speaker 2: Calm down, Like I got it. But like most people
at the base level, they're just trying to do what's
best for their own lives. Yeah, So like to me,
I'm like, you guys, they don't know and they don't care.
Speaker 3: Yeah, you have kind of a firsthand experience of almost
the explanation of how they accomplish everything. Like people always
ask was like how like too many people would be
have to like be in on it for like this
thing to get done. The moon landing is a great example.
That's one of like the most like normy responses, like
too many people would have to be in on it
for them to fake it.
Speaker 1: But you're, like, you see.
Speaker 3: How they compartmentalize in every organization. You see how they compartmentalize,
and how they just kind of, you know, have siphoned
people off into just their little pockets doing their thing. Yeah,
and they can you know, you can't connect it to
the bigger picture.
Speaker 1: That's a great point, John, Yeah, and it reminds me
of I don't know if you've ever read Enders Game,
either of y'all, but like that whole book is about
just severe compartmentalization, to the point that this kid like
erases an entire essentially an entire race of people, has
no idea And yeah, you.
Speaker 2: Don't know what you're doing because like somebody above you
has told you, like this is your job, and like
that's what you do. You just like don't know, you
don't know like the big picture, right, Like you're just
doing your job and you're not even necessarily compartmentalizing for yourself.
And maybe you are a little bit, but like most
of us and even then like the people that know more,
just we did surveillance and reconnaissance in the Navy, so
and we like flew around on EP three's which is
like it's like a modified P three, but it's all
top secret. So there's like stuff that we're doing on
the plane, but once we get off the plane, we
send it off and we don't know what they do
with that information after we've given it to them, so like, yes,
we're doing a job, we don't know where it goes.
Speaker 1: That is that's genuinely alarming that that that level of
compartmentalization is is scary, not on like a personal level,
but like on a on a grand scale. You could
do almost anything with that with that level, And to
your point, John, like that that is how like some
of these massive, weird ass things are accomplished that seem
virtually impossible, And that's gosh, that's one of the more
alarming things. And it seems like I think we were
talking about this the other night, it seems like they're
starting to really push that level of conditioning starting at
like like a super young age. Like that's already going
on in school, where like we compartmentalize subjects in categories
fundamentally one from another. And then you know, you go
on to like college, it's the same thing, but on
like a little more of an intense scale. And then
you know, maybe you work a corporate job before you
go into like a career in the government, and it's
the exact same thing. Like I work a corporate job.
We have a different department for every function, and they're
all severely compartmentalized, even at you know, the tiny health
insurance company I work for, Like it's horrifically compartmentalized, and
it makes it normal, Like it just seems like a
normal thing.
Speaker 2: Right, So then you talk about the moon landing, and
they're like, how did how did they accomplish this? Too
many people would have to know that it's fake, But no,
those people that are in that like control room, they
also think we landed on the moon, right, they don't
realize there's like seven people probably that could put together
the moon landing in some studio somewhere and make it work. Yeah,
you don't have to have that many people. You just
have to convince everybody to do their job little by
little to build up what is going to be the
final product. They don't even know they're they're a part
of it. And that's where I get really like, I
get really kind of like back and forth when I'm
doing conspiracies, because I'm like, what if this person knew
everything the whole time? And I'm like, they might not have,
Like they might not have known anything about it, right, So,
like we talk about Jeffrey Epstein, we're like, how did
they not know? We're like, well, there's probably people that
work for Jeffrey Epstein and actually had no idea what
I was doing. Yeah, and I don't I'm not trying
to like make it okay what happened at all, because like,
if anyone's pissed off, it's me. But like, yeah, they
might not have known.
Speaker 1: Right, Yeah, I mean he ran obviously a very good
front for a long time. Surely there were people who
worked for him or adjacent to him that had no clue.
And while we're on the subject, we can't let this
map opportunity pass us up. Why do you think and
you too, John, why do you think that, like the
people who are implicated in all of these this that's
coming out, why why are they releasing it? Like that's
one of the weird logical fallacies that I've I've had
to address with, just like Normy's I talked to. I'm like,
let's take a minute and think about the fact that
the people who these are talking about are the ones
giving it to you. Can you even fathom why they
would want to do that? And that seems to make
people kind of kind of just open their mouths and
drool for a second. But I'm curious. It's to y'all's
opinion on why, you know, what's what's the purpose behind that?
Speaker 2: Do you want to go first? When you go first?
Speaker 1: Please?
Speaker 2: I think it's two parts. They're expended and they're showing
you their power. So some of the people that they're
like Diddy, right, everyone's like, oh, did he got it out?
Like no, did he stup?
Speaker 1: Yeah?
Speaker 2: And they threw him to the wolves or they they
needed to the buck stops here like it was Diddy
the whole time. Put it all on somebody and they
got rid of him, right, Like they threw him out,
it's still happening. They're just like, this is the person
we're willing to give you, like Prince Andrew. Prince Andrew's
never gonna be king. He's just some prince in the
royal family. They're like, we don't really need this guy.
Throw him out right, put it all on him. That way,
we protect William, we protect Charles, we protect the people
that are gonna be king because they still need to
have like a really stellar reputation. Prince Andrew, forget that guy.
Throw him out right, like, put it on him. The
other people that were like you're in power and like
we can't do anything about it. They're like, exactly, what
are you gonna do? I think we start a revolution?
But I'm just being dramatic.
Speaker 1: I mean, that seems like a good move. It worked once,
it could work again, allegedly. Allegedly. Yeah, it's a caveat that. Yeah.
Speaker 3: I I have started to think that they are intentionally
trying to.
Speaker 1: Wake people up, Okay, John, that's a that's a strange.
Speaker 3: I think that that's what they're doing to it because
I think that they are trying to tear down this
constructed order that they have made.
Speaker 1: It seems more and more.
Speaker 3: And it's like if you start looking at like a
little bit of the trends of how this has gone about,
Like the political order got kind of absolutely decimated when
Trump came into office in twenty sixteen.
Speaker 1: Everybody who kind of thought it.
Speaker 3: Had like some sort of like legitimate legitimacy and respect.
Speaker 1: They don't anymore. It's like that where I didn't know
you could just walk up here and tell the other,
you know, the other people off like.
Speaker 3: That, no one really respects it anymore. The same thing
kind of happened in twenty twenty with the healthcare industry,
is like, yeah, it was was terrible, but people respected it.
Now they don't. And it seems like they're taking a
concerted effort to start kind of tearing down this order
and kind of some way intentionally wake people up to
a little bit of what's going on to do that.
Because I saw I saw yesterday that the dude from
the Young Turks Chank however you say his last.
Speaker 1: Name, I'd say his name.
Speaker 3: He he came out and said that he doesn't believe
the official story of nine to eleven anymore. It's like
that dude, It's like if anybody knows who he is
is a freakin' moron, Like he is not a smart person,
and like if he's waking up to like nine eleven
was an inside job, we probably have a little bit
of an issue.
Speaker 2: You know. They want to bring in a new world order.
They want to bring in like this one world government.
Speaker 3: I think something to that effect is it seems like
we are in a transition period and there is some
type of new societal order that's coming down the pipe.
There's some type of that they want to reconstruct this
in some way, shape or form. Not really sure how,
but it seems like they've kind of done away with
what they have set up. And it's almost because it's
by nature, because it's like, you know, the whole idea
of like you go into like the financial system and
the corporate system, like the idea of the American dream
is gone in that system. Everybody kind of recognizes it.
And if people don't, like if people don't have their
faith in that, it can't sustain itself. So it you know,
and that's kind of why I think, you know, this
Epstein thing is dropping when it when it has because
it's like they've given us too many golden apples already,
like in what I've seen, and I know you've probably
done like a lot more of a deep dive research
I've seen that you've done like a multi part series
on your channel on this is Like yeah, so it's
like they've given they've kind of given us a lot
that we already knew, and like they're kind of like
telling you and it it it seems a little bit
too good to be to be true, you know, I
think it's.
Speaker 2: Just to distract us from something else.
Speaker 1: Right, Yeah, Well, and like to your point, Danny, like
it's very obvious that all of the people nothing's gonna
happen to the people implicated in any like it's it's
you know, it would be ridiculous to think there is
what a great way to kind of kind of show off, right,
like super great way to show.
Speaker 2: Off, right, like they can just I don't know, I
think that it's strategic.
Speaker 3: I just.
Speaker 2: I could under I could see what you're saying, John,
Like I could see that they're like they're trying to
destroy what is current that way they can roll in
the next thing. But I don't think it's like a
good thing. I think at all about what the next
thing is not at all, because like, if our system
as we know it is already this corrupt, right, what
are they going to do next?
Speaker 1: Right? Oh? Yeah, it's terrifying, especially that in conjunction with
this whole like well with the the how imminent, like
all this disclosure stuff appears to be plus we add
in like the Board of Peace and all that nonsense.
Like it it's it's a little I'm uncomfortable, that's the
nice way to say that. I'm wildly uncomfortable.
Speaker 2: If you're not uncomfortable, you're not paying attention, right, Yeah,
if you're not outraged, you're not paying attention. If you're not.
But then you have all these people they're like, oh
it's the right, Oh it's the left. And I'm like,
you are clearly not paying attention that it's every single
political figure out there. And then I like had a
serious conversation with my husband. I was like, I think
I should run for office, and he's like, they won't
vote you in, and I was like, I'm gonna run
on the fact that I won't tell you lie. I'll
just be honest and I'm not a pedophile. That's it.
I can't promise anything else. And I'll tell you my
whole background. It's not great, but i'll tell you what
it is. Like, I'm not gonna lie to you, and
I'm not a pedophile and that's all I can offer.
But I'm going to run for office.
Speaker 3: And he was like, that's a pretty good campaign slogan.
Speaker 1: Yeah, objectively, it is a good campaign slogan. I think
not being a pedophile might get you bumped from the ticket.
I don't think you can. I don't think.
Speaker 2: Yeah, tell the truth both things. They're like, ooh, yeah,
you can't have somebody in here not lying.
Speaker 1: Right, It's very true. It's very true. H Yeah, it does.
It does seem to be very like, I don't know,
it feels like they're they're showing off. It does feel
like they're slipping something else in the mix. And I
don't know, maybe I'm just too to understand what it is.
I just I have no clue what it could be,
any any thoughts on what they're you know, what the
next play is while we're in this space.
Speaker 2: No, that's the problem is like I haven't fully figured
it out, and I feel like that with everything, and
I think that's why I get a little frustrated. Because
I'm like, I don't know why they're doing this. Like
there are some things where I'm like, okay, like that
makes sense, but there are other things where I'm like,
what the heck is happening? Like why are we doing it?
Like why is this happening? Because like the minute, like
more Epstein files came out, I was like, they're trying
to distract us, but what what is happening that's so
big that they need us this distracted? Whereas like at
the same time in Canada there was a school shooting
and they the suspect was transgender, and I was like,
they're distracting you people too, right, Like it's not just us,
they're distracting a bunch everybody because it's like having a
freaking melt down over there too. And the UK's got
a got an immigrant problem. Not they're not immigrants, they're illegals.
They got a terrorist problem. So they got like everybody
is distracted by something that way they can they're doing
something behind the scenes and it's big yeah.
Speaker 1: Yeah. And if you make people's lives just difficult enough,
they're like, we have enough comfort right to want to
stay where we are and things are just difficult enough
to not have the time to realize what the hell
is going on around us, Like it's it's it is
a very well, you know, it's it's a very well uh,
what's the term I'm looking for here, Uh, gosh, well
executed plan, Yes, very well executed, very well tuned, Like
it's very well tuned to put people in that kind
of place like you're you're too you know, you're you're
too sad going home to you know, like you can't
make enough money to really have the home you like
or a backyard. You know, you probably, like half the
married people I know Loki, like hate their spouse. Your
kids are turning into act going to public school, right
and you know you want to steal three minutes of
Hollow X to see with a glass of wine at
the end of the night, to try to pretend like
there's something to wake up for tomorrow. But you're just
comfortable enough because you got Netflix. So that's nice, That's
that's nice, right.
Speaker 2: And then reprogramming you right, Oh my gosh.
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's another thing I wanted to ask you about.
How much reprogramming is going on in the media right now.
I know you've covered like Monarch and Kultra all that
stuff is. Can I turn on my TV? Do I
need to just leave it off? What are your thoughts
on that?
Speaker 2: It's I'm having a hard time with this one because
every single time I watch something, I'm like, ooh, there's
the agenda. Here it is. And then I have a
really hard time because I have small kids, and there
are times that I'm like, just watch a movie so
I don't have to think for five seconds, like I
just need to make dinner, right, Like I just need
to not chop a finger off while you guys are
screaming in my ears. So just watch a movie. And
then every single movie they watch, I'm like, oh, I
can't let you watch that because they're trying to teach
you this thing. I can't let you watch this because
they're trying to do that. I can't let you watch
anything on Disney because they're all pedophiles. And I can't
let you watch anything on Nickelodeon because they're all pedophiles.
And everybody that owns Netflix is a pedophile, and everybody
that owns everything is a pedophile. So I can't actually
let you watch anything, right, So then I'm like, Okay,
go play outside. Yeah, so, but I we can't always
like when it snows, like they have to like there
has to be a give and a take. And so
I'm having this really hard time in my life where
I'm like, like, I'm aware enough to like watch something
be like this is what they're trying to do, whereas
I think a lot of adults still aren't even that wake.
So they like see this and they're like, oh, that's crazy.
With my kids, I'm just very particular. I watch whatever
I allow them to watch. I've watched it before. I
don't let them just watch whatever they want to watch,
and then they'll watch the same thing like over and
over and over. I'm like, this movie is approved, and
you can watch that on repeat until you've got it memorized.
Speaker 1: Right, and until you've had it memorized too, because they
don't stop repeating it, right.
Speaker 2: But it's better than the alternative. It's better than like
whatever they've chosen to turn on that day because they
saw it on Netflix or they saw it on Disney
Plus and they're like, ooh, this might be fun. But
my kids, I'm actually very fortunate. Like my son, he's four,
he really likes to watch how it's made, like the
old How It's Made show and loves it. He likes
to watch Matt's off Road Recovery on YouTube, so that's good.
He likes to watch Monster.
Speaker 1: Trucks Gonna be a Man's Man.
Speaker 2: Yeah, well yeah, that's the point. So then like we're like, okay,
like these are good things or documentaries. He loves to
watch shark documentaries, so we're like, Okay, these are really
solid things that you can watch. You don't know who
created them, you don't know all the backs story like
I do, but like these are solid things that like
you can watch how It's made and all the day long,
and then he'll tell me how something is made. For
the rest of his life, I will know. And then
he'll ask me how is this made? Today? He said,
how is sausage made? And I was like, I think
it's just all the leftover pork my guy? Right, Oh,
can we watch a video on how sausage is made?
And I was like, yeah, sure, let's do it. So
I don't know, it's it's hard.
Speaker 1: That's awesome. I love that. I love that, like, especially
parents were willing to entertain all of those questions, Like
that's that is a good thing to have. That's awesome.
I absolutely love that. I'm curious, how potent do you
think a lot of that programming is in the media,
Like how obviously there's a scale, right, not everything is,
you know, like watching The Manchurian Candidate on repeat or whatever.
But how potent do you think? You know your average?
You know, like, is it all just super intense programming
or yeah, what thoughts?
Speaker 2: I think it's getting worse. I don't know. It's hard
to know because I'm living now and I'm not living
in the eighties or the nineties. Like when I go
back and watch those shows, I don't see it as much.
But is it because it's not there or is it
because I'm not recognizing it? You know what I'm saying, Like,
I don't know because I don't know what was really
prevalent at that time, right, So, like anything that comes
out now, I'm like, Okay, I see what's happening. But
anything that comes out like before I was aware of
the world, it's really hard for me to figure that out.
I guess not really hard, really hard relative it depends
on the movie. True, I'm watching it like The Breakfast Club,
which I've never seen that, but like as an example,
I'm watching Breakfast Club, like I don't know what they're
trying to get across versus like what they would be
trying to get across now if they recreated.
Speaker 1: It, right. You know, it's a good point. That's a
really good point. I know, at least like for me
when I watch some of those older shows. The one
thing that I really pick up on in ones that
just aren't like overtly culty is just the slow degradation
of like the family unit and family values over over
the decades. Yeah, and it's really really slow, Like we
start out with, which I've I'm been telling on myself here.
I don't think I've ever seen Andy Griffith like in
my life because my parents had like four channels. We
lived in the middle of a town. We were not Amish,
but we had like four channels in the late nineties.
I don't know how we pulled it off. But so
I've never seen Anty Griffith. But we go from like
that right to you know, some of the more like
progressive for the time things like hell, I don't even know, uh,
but then now you know, then we have friends and
like the advent of like a lot of a lot
of just like, you know, everybody's having sex with each other,
nobody cares. If like you have a kid, like a
random kid, nobody nobody cares. And it's this really slow
degradation of family values over time that like I for one,
would not notice over the you know, six decades it's
taken to go from that to Real Housewives. You know,
like we've made it a long way in six decades,
but that's long enough that we don't notice the yardstick
moving over time.
Speaker 2: Well, now you have these shows which like I'm not
trying to like bash on the people that are in
these shows or whatever, but like the Secret Lives of
Mormon Wives. You've got these right, yeah, that are supposed
to be Mormon, And I don't know much about the
Mormon community, but from the Morns that I've met, they're
very conservative and they're not very like they're not out
there like that. And then you have this show like
making these Mormons seem like like if I didn't they
if the name of the show wasn't Secret Lives of
Mormon Wives, I would not know that they were ever
Mormon because of like the way that they present themselves
and the way that they're just like screwing each other's husbands.
They're not screwing each other's husbands, but they're screwing other
people's husbands. They're screwing other people like they're doing all
these crazy things. They have all these parties, and they're
sober the whole time because they're Mormon and they're not
drinking alcohol. And I'm like, the sober Yeah, did you know?
You did not know that?
Speaker 1: I know. I just assumed if they're if they're, if they're,
if they're blowing everyone, they're gonna be drinking, like you know,
I got. I just assumed.
Speaker 2: Nope, not drinking. They're drinking their sodas ah, but they
do ketamine drips or not. Like I don't know, infusions
or whatever. I don't know. I don't understand the rules
of being a Mormon, I guess, right, because I'm not one.
But I just think, like, but even in like paw patrol, Right,
So my son's super into paw patrol, my younger son,
and you've got like the leader of the paw Patrol.
This is so funny. His name is Chase. He the
German shepherd, and he is like the cop dog. Each
dog has like a role and his role is like
the cop dog. Well, he has a drone, so sometimes
he can tell his drone to go up and then
they can find what they're looking for with their drone.
And I like, so they're they're encouraging that we spy
on each other. Like I don't know. We can go
down the Paw Patrol all day long, but I've got
I he asks me questions or he tries to tell
me about Pop Patrol. I'm like, yeah, so how come
Mayor Humdinger is always bad and Mayor good Way is
always good? And he's like, I don't know. And I
was like, yeah, go back and watch some more Pop
Patrol and come back to answer my questions.
Speaker 1: We're learning conspiracy lesson from Paw Patrol. I love that.
Speaker 2: No, he's learning how to question things because Mayor Humdinger
has cats but they don't talk, but Mayor Goodway has
dogs and they do talk. Oh that's you know, Like
I'm just trying to like like think about some things, right,
Like you want to talk about Paw Patrol, Let's do it,
my guy, but like let's ask some ques questions about it.
Speaker 1: And that's so much more along the lines of the
way honestly, like the way people used to teach like
their children or teach other people like that. That is
essentially the Socratic method applied to a three year old
or however old he is, Like that is what that is,
and people pass on that all day long. I think
that's part of the reason, probably if I had to
guess why, one of the bigger reasons why we have
just generation after generation of people who have no clue
how to even begin to question the mainstream narratives. It's
started with this slow like degradation to the family unit
and pass that like we're farming everything off, Like I
love to hear that your kids are homeschool. We're farming
everything off to the government. You're asking you're quite literally
asking an organization full of pedophiles, liars, and murderers to
educate your child.
Speaker 2: Well, and I have. I've done a lot of research.
I've talked to a lot of people. I've heard horror
stories of like there will be teachers that sell off
the foster kids in their classes to pedophiles or to
like human trafficking rings because the parents, like the foster
parents will just assume that they ran away. They won't
ask any questions, right, they just like move on. So,
like you have this like pedophile ring, but it's it
has infiltrated. And I'm not saying every teacher's like this.
I definitely do not believe that at all, but it
does infiltrate all the way to the bottom in some cases.
But then you start to look at everything I just
covered Cannon Cook. Cannon Cook is a Christian summer camp
in Branson, Missouri that is one of the like premier
summer camps. Like everybody from anybody that has money that's
a Christian is sending their kids to Cannon Cook and
they're sexually abusing your children. And then they're blaming it
on your children. They're saying, oh, that kid, he was
just gay, so he can't be here because this is
a Christian camp and they kick him out. But he
wasn't gay. You assaulted him, he threatened to tell on you.
You called him gay, called his parents and told them
to go home. Like it's infiltrating everything. And when people
don't realize that, they're like, oh, the world's safe. I'm
like the world is not safe. The world's more dangerous
than it's ever been. Yeah, now it's everybody's a predator.
Speaker 1: Gosh, how do you think we got to that point?
Like all of these what should ideally be or have been,
like bastions of something wholesome, right, because you see it
a lot in religious organizations. Pick your favorite, like how
did we make it to a point where those are
often some of the worst, the worst places, and in
freaking summer camp, Like that's so mass.
Speaker 2: You don't question them, you don't. You don't question them
because they are a Christian or they're Catholic, or their
Mormon or their insert religious entity. Right, they are who
they say they are, except when they're not. You trust
your kids with them because of the title that they
have been given, whether it's earned or not, you don't know.
A lot of the times a Christian or like any
religious entity will try to cover it up because they
don't want that bad mark on them, which happened with Cannonicook,
but happens the Boy Scouts of America, happens with the
Catholic Church, happens all over the place, right, Like, they'll
cover it up because they're like, we don't want to
be known or be affiliated with this. But then when
it does come out, it's way worse than it was
because you didn't nip it in the butt. You didn't
show the world that you are not going to allow this.
You just let let it keep happening.
Speaker 1: Right.
Speaker 2: But then also, like kids will come back from a
like a religious summer camp, and they're going to be
changed a little bit, especially like I can only speak
from like a Christian perspective because that's what I identify as.
But like, if you go there and you find like
a deeper love for Christ, like you're going to come
back changed. Yeah, But if you come back changed, then
it's not because you found a deeper love for Christ,
but rather because other things happen to you while you
were there. Your parents won't know the difference.
Speaker 1: Oh that's heavy. And and one of the reasons I
find that so desperately heavy is because I went to
several of those growing up, because I grew up in
like this this you know, painfully conservative uh like pseudo
religious environment. And uh to me, it seems like your
your options are engaging in what I would we just
had to talk about like the five oh one c
three church system and a lot of that a couple
of days ago. Yeah, and you know, my concern and
you know, maybe you can speak to this a little bit.
And then a is even if you are changed, like
what what are you allowing to change you in those instances?
Because from my perspective, a lot of these uh, like
large scale religious organizations are if they're not slowly turning
into something satanic that you know, they're they're certainly thinking
about heading that way in the way that they've been
co opted by these evil government entities, like they're essentially
corporations working for themselves and the government, and so yeah,
your kid's gonna come back changed and maybe maybe they
didn't get you know, rape or sexually abused or whatever,
but like what are what are they allowing to change them?
And and it's one of those weird areas where like
the more cause I kind of kind of worked away
from the faith aspect of things for a long time,
getting into like the truth community because it was I
was tired of all the all the all the right.
And one of the things I've noticed like getting into
this world is everything does point back as far as
I'm concerned, and I'd be interested to hear your thoughts
on this. Everything does kind of point back towards uh,
you know, towards Christianity, towards the Creator, towards yahweh, towards
towards g like it all kind of comes back that
direction if you spend enough time looking at it. But
a lot of these organizations has been co opted to
become so twisted on their head from what the ideally
should be. And so even if your kids go up
to summer camp and come back change, is that because
they genuinely, you know, found a new a new love
and new passion for the Creator. Or is it because
they've been just a little bit co opted by something
that's not him? Be it another you know, another spiritual
entity that's that's kind of present in that place, be
it an eggreg war which I still don't understand what
the hell those are, or something to that of that nature,
you know, like and maybe that's a cynical point of view,
but that's the kind of thing I'm starting to wonder. Sorry,
it was a long run, but I'm curious about your
thoughts on that.
Speaker 2: So I think it's multifasted. So I think that this
is gonna get me in a lot of trouble. I
think that a lot of the like megachurches and even
like a lot of these summer camps are kind of
run almost like colts. Yeah, where they're they're almost like brainwashing,
and whether it's for the good or for the bad,
Like that's really hard for me to say. I do
think that the devil's really at work where God is trying,
like where people are trying to put God first. So
that makes sense. So like in churches, you see a
lot of evil happening in churches, and it's because, like
I think that the devil is really at work there,
like whereas like outside of a church, like you're already
not a believer typically, right, Like if you're not like
regularly going And that's not like a blanket statement, but
there's plenty of evidence to suggest that if you're not
going to a church, you're not like necessarily going to
a specific place to worship a specific thing, then you
might already have given your life to the devil instead
of to Christ. And I might not be the best
person to talk on this particular thing, just because I
am such a new Christian. Granted I have dug in
hard because every conspiracy, not everyone, but a lot of
the conspiracies keep leading back to Satan, and to me,
if Satan is real. There's no reason that God can't
be real. And whether it's a Christian God or like
whatever God, I don't know. I haven't figured that out.
And that's where like I'm I'm loving my journey because
I ask so many questions and I don't believe what
they're telling me. I don't believe. I don't understand why
there's only sixty six books in the Bible and not
eighty eight, and why sixty six, specifically from sixty six
to me seems like a satanic number. And that's like
a really weird thing that you would put only sixty
six books and not eighty eight. And they say it's
about biblical scholars, and I don't have time to get
into all that. But also I think that back to
your point, way back, and when I'm going to kind
of go on a rant here, kids, when kids go
to camp, whether it's Christian or just a regular summer camp,
like assuming that they went, they had a great time,
it was all kosher, everything's good, and then they come
home they're going to be different regardless because kids are
very impressionable, very impressiable. So when you go off and
you come back like something's changed, Like you had this
fun time, you had this little bit of independence away
from your parents, You made new friends, you encountered the
world just in a different way a little bit, and
so you're gonna change. They love that. They love that idea.
That's where you get this programming which is happening in
summer camps, this monarch programming. That's where because you're gonna
come back again changed. The sexual abuse goes right along
with that. The fact that a lot of these camps
are they have ties back to the government. That's where
you have a really you have got a problem, right,
It got ties back to the government in some sort
of way, because the government loves to put their fingers
in everything. So I don't know if that answered any
of the questions. I kind of like went crazy there
for a second.
Speaker 1: No, that was great. That was great. So I am
curious about that journey. You said, you're relatively new to
like the whole idea of Christianity and its root was conspiracy,
like kind of digging into the conspiracy side of things.
Can you touch on that a little bit more?
Speaker 2: Yeah, So I grew up in a household that my
dad always told me, same dad, that's like the twin towers.
That's controlled demolition, he said, And that's a that's a
missile going into the Pentagon. That's not an airplane. And
I was like, all right, cool, right, I believe you.
Speaker 1: That's amazing. I can't imagine having that conversation with my father.
That's a while.
Speaker 2: I the first anytime I get down, like any rabbit hole,
I call my dad like, talk to me about this,
talk to me about that, and he's like, let's go, like,
let's do things. And we don't always see I at I,
which is really fun. So sometimes we get to argue
and sometimes I just let him. I let him have
his way and I come back and I'm like, you're
off base there. But so he I grew up in
a house where he was like people look for God
when they are lost, and we are not lost people.
Are you a lost person? I was like no, and
he's like, then you don't need God.
Speaker 1: And I was like, okay, some gas lighting a little bit.
That almost sou wow.
Speaker 2: So I just always thought to myself like I don't
I'm good, Like I'm not lost, I don't need God,
like I've figured it out, which I have not figured
it out. So that was a lie, but I kept
doing like research, and the more I would dig in,
the more I would dig in, the more I was like,
how come it always leads back to Satan? How come
it just seems to always get there? Something so evil
is happening and it just seems to like be in
every conspiracy, Like there just seems to be this this
pattern of this evil and so I was like, okay,
like that's so weird. And around the same time, I
had started a cult podcast, so I was like, okay,
Like I was digging into like why would people willingly
follow somebody about God? Like that to me doesn't make
any sense, and so I'm like very like I was
starting to question just everything and then I can't explain
it except for it was God like put something like
just pulled on my heart and was like start studying
the Bible, like just look for me and you'll find me.
And I was like, okay, Like I called my husband,
this is a crazy story. I called him up because
we are We're on the same page when we got married.
We're like, I don't I don't necessarily believe in God,
but if there's something there, like cool, like I'm not
against it, but I'm not necessarily like looking for any thing,
and he was on the same page as me. We
were very on track that day that I was like, like,
I just felt this such like a strong pool on
my heart. I have to start reading the Bible. I
have to dig in. I have to figure out who
this God guy is and why so many people believe
in him, because there's something there and I can't tell
you why, Like I needed to do that in that moment.
So I called my husband. I was like, I need
to buy a Bible because I really need to start
reading it. Like I think I just need to start
reading the Bible. And he was like, wow, I can't
believe that you just called me and told me that,
because like I am gonna stop at the store and
buy a Bible right now. What I was like, okay,
He's like, yeah, I think, like I need to start
like learning about like God and learning about this stuff.
So we were surrounded by Christians all around us. Yeah, and
so we started asking questions. I was like, how come
we like, how do we know that Jesus isn't just
the devil in disguise trying to get us all to
worship him instead of God? Like how do we know?
Like I started asking, I didn't know at the time,
like there are different versions of the Bible. I didn't
know that there was only like there were eighty eight
books and then they cut it down to sixty six.
I didn't know any of this stuff. So everything that
I know now, it's just because I've like really dug
in and I've asked like the really hard questions. I've
been very fortunate to be surrounded by people still that
answer my really hard questions and understand that I come
from a like a questionable background, where like all I
do is ask questions about things that to me don't
make sense. And if it doesn't make sense, I'm gonna
question it. If it if it even has like a
grain of like e, I'm gonna ask the question and
you might not know the answer, and that's okay, but
like we I would like to have a discussion about
it at least. Yeah, And so that's it. I just
started I started praying. I don't know, it was weird.
I was like, I don't know how to pray, right,
I don't know how to I went to church one
day this I don't know. He's worked crazy in my
life since that day where he was like you need
to you need to find me, and I was like, Okay,
I guess I'll try. Like I don't know what that means.
Speaker 1: I have to like that's weird.
Speaker 2: And so we moved in that time period, and the
very first time I ever prayed was like, God, like
we really want this house. So like I don't know
if this is what we do when we pray, but
like we'd love to buy this house. And then everything
went super smooth in our in our purchase. The month
we got out here for the very first time my
whole life, I was like, I think I need to
go to church today. I woke up some one Sunday
morning and I was like, I just need to go
to church. I live in the Bible Belt now, there
are a lot of churches in this area. Yeah, there
are so many, and so I was like, okay, I
just am going to Google map a church, which is yeah,
and there's so many. So I just literally I feel
like I closed my eyes and picked a church, which
wasn't really true. I was looking for a church that
had other young families, or at least looked like they
had other young families, and I went to one church,
and I was like, Okay, this is the one and
through that I that's where I'm like asking a lot
of my questions. That's where I found a lot of
people that are like willing to have that hard conversation
that I feel like a lot of like what my
perception was prior is that a lot of Christians won't
answer questions. If you're asking the questions, you're questioning their faith,
which wasn't wasn't the case. I'm questioning my own faith,
which is why I'm asking the question. It's not about you.
Speaker 1: Right, Yeah. I love I love to hear that you've
had that experience because having grown up in the Bible
Belts we're in Tennessee and having grown up in the
like the dead ass middle of the Bible Belt, one
of the things that was very true very early on
was you don't ask questions because those questions will get
you either smacked or call the very publicly. And we
had a guy on just a couple of days ago
who or maybe it was like a week ago, we
can have some time ago where I grew up with
him as well in this in this general area, and
he went through the process of like questioning faith all
the way to becoming an atheist and then back. And
one of the things that I have a lot of
respect for people who are willing to ask those questions
from a place that doesn't have like I had. I
had that handed to me when I was, you know,
too right. For people who are willing to go through
that search, I feel like it produces a much more genuine,
honest faith than you know, a lot of people in
my experience, and this is a very negative thing to say,
but who are just handed that type of thing right,
because you have to go through you know, the difficulty
of looking for it, and I mean not so much
earning it, but like looking for it, searching for it,
being uncomfortable having a lot of weird conversations with people
who you know, look at act very funny. They get
up and sing, they sit down, sometimes they drink stuff
they say is blood. It's real weird and it's real
culty looking from the outside sometimes. But it takes a
very genuine, honest search. And I you know, that's always
impressed to me that people are even comfortable going on
that ride, because for me, like the whole idea of
Christianity was just like a matter of survival growing up.
It's just what people did around you, and it's such
empty concept versus what it sounds like you found, which
I absolutely like love that's that's incredible. And but that's
the more I.
Speaker 2: Was looking for, though, Like I was on the hunt
for that. I wasn't going to go somewhere and I
wasn't And honestly, I was okay, like never going to
church ever again, Like I don't know why I woke
up one day I was like I need to go
to church today. Like it had to have been God,
you know what I'm saying. Like right, like I was,
I was totally fine, just like staying at home and
reading my Bible and just like figuring it out on
my own. Yeah, And so, but I knew I was
gonna ask a lot of questions. I knew there was
going to be a lot of a lot of things
that I didn't understand, right, So and I'm still, yeah,
I'm still asking a lot of questions. I'm still like,
right now, we're doing a revelation study or like I
don't know why I was like, yeah, let's jump into revelation.
I'm questioning a lot. I got a lot of questions, actually,
and then like I'm writing in the margins of my study,
like while we're like at this group, it's just like
a small group, right, there's like I don't know fifteen people,
and I'm like writing in the in the margins. My
husband looks over at my book and he's like giggling
to himself and he's like, why did you write that?
He's like, why did he write? Like something about the
moon producing its own light? So I'm like, I need
to go home and research that because there's something weird
about that. Why how come the Bible says that the
light of the moon, not the light, not the reflection
of the sun. Like that's something I need to look into.
Then I'm like, how come Like in Revelation, right, so
Jesus is gonna come down and everybody's gonna see him
at the same time. Well, in a round world, if
Jesus comes down, the backside can't see him. So is
the earth flat? Like I started asking these quess and
they just like deal with me.
Speaker 3: Robert is losing his mind right now.
Speaker 1: Yeah, the the guy that was doing the show with
us for a while, he's the hardest core flat earth
rind no, So he's yeah, he's he's losing this right now.
Speaker 2: I just I ask all the questions and anytime I
like read it like scripture, and I just asked the questions.
And so it's been really heavy on my heart lately
and I can't explain why. But and I don't like
I don't understand or I didn't understand why people would
like at church like go up to the altar and pray.
I'm like, can't you just pray from your chair? Like
why are you going up there to pray? And then
why are other people coming up to you and like
putting their hands on you and like touching you. Yeah,
I had no idea. I didn't not understand this. So
I'm like watching this for a year and a half,
I'm watching this. And then last week, so a week
from yesterday, I was like, I need to go up
there and pray. So I went up there and I prayed.
But I'm not praying for me. I'm praying for all
those kids that are affected by the pedophiles and by
the like the evil of the world. I'm praying for
all these like and I'm bawling my eyes out and
I'm just crying so hard and praying and praying and praying,
just like, do something about these evils in this world.
And then again this week I'm up there again and
I'm like, I don't know what's wrong with me? Why
am I like this? Like, what is wrong with me
that I'm up here crying my eyes out for people
I've never met because there's so much evil in this world?
And then this morning I have to share this because
this is so powerful. This morning, one of my friends
she sent this to me and she's like, I don't know,
like I thought of you, so I sent it over
and it's Ephesians five eleven. Have nothing to do with
the fruitless deeds of darkness, but rather expose them.
Speaker 1: Oh I like that.
Speaker 2: And every single day I've been praying that God continues
to use me to expose the evils of this world,
because like, there's so much corruption and there's so much
darkness and people just aren't talking about it. And I'm like,
I'll do it. Yeah, I'll talk about it.
Speaker 1: Yeah, Oh my gosh. And that's a scary thing to do. Like,
I don't think a lot of people appreciate the kind
of position you're putting yourself in, putting your face in
front of people saying some of the things you say,
like the backlash you will receive from that is not small,
and like that that is genuinely commendable, but it's probably
scary sometimes I would.
Speaker 2: Imagine it doesn't matter.
Speaker 1: Yeah no, oh no, yeah, sure, sure, I'm not preating that.
Speaker 2: No. No, Like at the end of the day, like, okay,
I'm uncomfortable and like I yeah, I'm putting myself out
there to like say some hard things and people are
going to people are going to have opinions about everything.
People on the internet are ruthless. I don't I don't
read my comments, like I'm not trying to go into that.
But like, at the end of the day, there are
children out there and I mean adults too, that are
being trafficked, that are living in this like that are
just being tortured every single day because somebody else decided
that they should. So who am I like, it's not
about me?
Speaker 1: Right, Well, yeah, I'm gonna start crying here in a minute.
Speaker 2: So I've done a lot of that.
Speaker 1: I believe that I've become I'm becoming increasingly more emotional
as I age, and I don't I don't love it,
but it seems to be a part of life, So
I'm making my peace with it. Why why do you
Why is it that we just talked about the fact
that like all kind of conspiracy roads lead back to
Christianity on some level. And I think that all makes
sense because everything, so you know, every everything is Satanic,
and when you look into Satanism, you know, it all
kind of unravels from there. But I don't know all
of the focus on children, child trafficking, sex trafficking, like
that appears to be such a big tenet of their religion,
such a big focus of theirs. And it's still like,
even even knowing my limited knowledge of like the occult
and Satanism, it still doesn't always make sense why that's
such a large focus you give any insight into that.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I think it's the for children specifically, it's the
innocence of it, m right, Like you it's like they
always talk about like like sacrificing a virgin, right, but
like how hard is it to find a virgin these days?
Speaker 1: Good luck? I mean good luck and.
Speaker 2: So like, And I'm not trying to make fun of anybody,
that's not the point of that comment, but like it's
really tricky, So like children have become the next It's
just it's the innocent. It's not necessarily like the virgin
of a child. It's you're sacrificing the innocent. And so
but even in the monarch episode, we found that the
sexual abuse will create the dissociation that you need to
create older personalities, right, And a lot of times the
sexual abuse is the torment, the adrenaline that they get
pumping in the blood before they harvest, the adrenochrome. Right. So, like,
I think there's multiple aspects of it. I think that
this is gonna sound disgusting and it makes me want
to throw up just thinking about it. Some people just
really like to screw children. I can't believe I just
said that out loud.
Speaker 1: I mean, gosh, I mean that's heavy. But I don't know.
I do wonder and I mean you on some level
that must it appears like it must be true, right
Otherwise why would it? Ah?
Speaker 2: Yeah, why would it come up in so many things?
We talked about it? And like there's so many times
that it comes up. It just it keeps happening. So like,
how come Like and I can name five right now,
like five different conspiracy theories that I've covered on my
podcast that lead back to children. And that's just in
like just off the top of my head, and I
could probably name ten right, you know what I'm saying,
Like like it keeps coming back to that.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, and that inherent innocence. You're right, it does
seem to be kind of like the common denominator between
all yeah, all of all of their victims, so to speak.
And I wonder because a lot of a lot of
the work, does a lot of the abuse does seem
to be focused on like splitting personalities and that sort
of thing, do you think? And I've had my run
with like I don't know, like the sexually abused, and
I updated a few girls who've gone through sexual abuse
and in in several of those cases, and this is
this is kind of an uncomfortable thing to like approach,
but like I ran into and they ran into what
they self described as like some kind of not necessarily possession,
but certainly like a demonic presence that was there. So
I'm curious, like, is is all of the like splitting
of personalities that they're doing in like mk Ultra and monarch,
is that just like a clinical you know, a clinical
diagnosis we're just doing this thing and it's science, right,
or is it some kind of low grade like demonic
you know, presence that we're calling into into being to
kind of inhabit a portion of this person's personality. And
that is me talking like directly, like out of very
you know, limited knowledge, But like I've run into that
on a couple of occasions now with people who have
been sexually abused, and I do wonder if that kind
of opens the door.
Speaker 2: I guess yes, like yes kind of. So I think
that some of the sexual abuses is about power, like
like a person to person level. It's it is just
about like I have power, I have control over you.
But in my in my monarch research, I did find
that they're doing these occult rituals when they're they're creating
the alter personalities, and then they're not actually like it's
not always like fully programming. They're programming a demonic entity
to attach to that ultra personality. And that, to me,
I was like, that's like really, that's like really far
down this rabbit hole. That's weird, Like that's something that
most people can't even like fathom. I think that like,
if you're gonna believe in this conspiracy, you might believe
that they're like dissociating, they're programming another personality, but to
take it that one step further and be like, no,
they're they're also like attaching demons to that alter personality.
Like that takes it to a whole other level. But
in some cases they're attaching like full groups of demons
to those altra personalities. They're doing this whole occult ritual
when they do this, it's yeah, it's really weird.
Speaker 3: Yeah, and there's a it's just it's a weird thing
about that because it's like you even see that in
the Bible. When there's like weird like ritualistic worship of
either demons or some type of fallen entity, it all
goes back to just this like sick perverse Like yeah,
sexual ritual. Like you know when Israel was work was
worshiping the Golden calf, That's what they were doing.
Speaker 1: A bunch of weird sex stuff.
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, it was not always Yeah, it always comes
back to that. Yeah, it's very strange.
Speaker 1: People gotta stop doing weird sex stuff to each other.
We just need to stop that. I think that'll solve
a lot of that problem.
Speaker 2: Weird gos. It says that in the Bible.
Speaker 1: It does. That's true, it does. It does say that
in there weird words, but it does say that, And
I think that's how I'll paraphrase it from here on out.
Speaker 2: No sexual immorality, right, I don't know, Like yeah, yeah,
I don't know.
Speaker 1: It's as simple as that. Well, it's very clear in
the media, like how much they've they've taken something like
that and turned it into just like this common everyday
activity when we're dealing with like bearing your very soul
to another human being. You know, I have a hard
time being honest with somebody and looking at them in
the eyes much less anything past that, Like, you know,
come on people, Ugh yeah, kids these days stress me out.
Speaker 2: Me too.
Speaker 1: Gosh, I don't know how your parents do it. I
would be a nervous wreck.
Speaker 2: It's a lot. I think it's harder to be a
good parent. That sounds mean.
Speaker 1: I'm not trying to bash, No, that makes sense. That
makes a.
Speaker 2: Parent in general, I'm not trying to it's parenting. It's hard, yeah,
But then like for me, I've made it extra hard.
Oh my gosh. Yeah, So to me, I've made an
extra hard because I research conspiracies, and I'm like, okay,
so I can't let my kids do anything, right, right,
I walking this really fine line between like I want
them to be independent and like to have some independence,
but also like I can't let them out of my sight.
Speaker 1: Right. Yeah, that's a weird line for a lot of
people to walk. And I know a lot of people
on both sides of that of that divide, like a
lot of helicopter parents and a lot of people who
are just like, yeah, he's got he's got legs, he
can walk, like let him go, And yeah, I don't
envy you that that task currently because it sounds painfully stressful,
like because people need to be afforded some level of independence,
but people are also and there's yeah right ah, So
I know I've been talking for a little bit. There's
one more thing if you have time, that I wanted
to talk to you about. I know you've done some
discussions a on uh, functional medicine, if I remember correctly, Yep.
I'm curious as to just like what led you down
that path because that was the world I grew up in.
I'm always curious as to kind of how you wound
up in that place and then I have I have
a couple of follow up questions on that.
Speaker 2: So I am trying to walk this fine line right
now in my podcast, like not having too many functional
medicine doctors on, because so I don't know, you guys
have probably run into this too, Like once I have
like one person on that's in like a certain genre,
I get a bunch of emails they're like have this
person on, have this person They're all the same genre,
and I'm like, okay, Like they have multiple guests on
from different places. So but I really like the idea
of functional medicine because we all have been to the
doctor where we're like, hey, this weird thing is happening,
like headaches. Let's take for an example, we go and
we're like, hey, we're having headaches, and they're like, here
is a prescription. Take this. And you're like there's no
way to, like I don't know, stop the headaches, Like
there's the rest cover it up. We're just gonna like it.
And they're like yeah, like that's all we can do.
And I'm like okay. So I basically got sick of
hearing like I'm not going to find the root cause
I'm just going to make you sicker by giving you
some sort of pill. And I don't want to have
any sort of pill, like I just I have all
the side effects. I'm very like sensitive to that. And
so to me, I needed something that was going to
fix my problems without making them worse. Because now you're
going to give me some headache medicine that's going to
make me have stomach issues, and then I need a
stomach medicine because which is going to give me heart issues,
and now I need a heart medicine, and ultimately I'm
never going to be off this medication. Right, So we
started just down this path of like and I think
COVID really helped. They're putting something in this weird vaccine,
they're pushing it too hard, so let's look into that.
And then it was like, okay, well how come and
we had just had our first baby during COVID, so
we're like, let's let's take the doctor, right, that's what
you're supposed to do every ar two months for the
first year is life. And every time we go, we
get five or six vaccines. And I was like, I'm
not comfortable giving him that many vaccines, Like I think
that we should start to look into these vaccines, and
then it went to the next thing, like, so my
second son was born and he had chronic diaper rash,
like chronic diaper rash and I could not get rid
of it to save my life. And they're like, well,
are you putting diaper cream on him? I'm like yeah, like,
here is this hydro cortisone cream. Just put this steroid
on him, well and basically putting steroids on his balls
where he creates testosterone. Like, we're not worried about me
putting steroid cream on his like on his junk. And
they're like, no, there's no like long term issues with that,
and I was like, ooh, I just don't want to
even test that, Like there's already an infertility epidemic in
our country. Like I'm not going to risk doing this.
So then we switched him to raw milk.
Speaker 1: Oh, it's a game changer.
Speaker 2: Yeah, such a small thing. We're like okay, and we
moved so in Colorado. We lived in Colorado, it was
really we were on a wait list for two years
and we still did not get raw milk, and so
when we moved, it was really easy. There's a lot
of farms around where we're at now, and so we
just like went down to local farm and we're like, hey, man,
can we buy some milk from you? And he's like, yeah,
no problem. He milked it that day. It's still warm
in the jar that he gives it to me in.
Yes's perfect. So I switched my son to raw milk.
He's diaper rash cleared up in two days. Two days.
He's never had a diaper rash issue since. And so
I was like, okay, that was easy. So now let's
look at like what is in our food, which I
had already been like exploring our food and all this
stuff that's on our food. So we kind of dug
down that a little bit more. And I had taken
my mother in law when my second son was born.
I took her to the doctor with us for his
two day checkup. Right he's born, we have to go
right to the doctor the next day or whatever, and
they hand us this packet and they're like, here are
the vaccines for the next visit. So I handed to
her and I was like, hey, if you're curious why
we're not vaccinating, here are the vaccines. And she's like
she's looking through it because she was a little. She
was like, not gonna tell me what to do. She's
a very good mother in law, but she was very
nervous about my choice. Right, and my husband's on my side,
like any choice that I've made, I have told him
all the reasons why, I give him all the studies,
and he's like, yep, let's do it. So him and
I are like just very connected.
Speaker 1: That's rare.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, we have a fantastic relationship. So I'm telling
my mother in law this. I'm like, we're not gonna vaccinate.
Here's the packet. So I hand it to her and
she's looking through it. She's like, it's only six vaccines
and I was like, that's for the two month old
check up. And then when we get there, they're gonna
hand us a new packet and she's like oh, And
I was like, yeah, like we don't need to go
through all of this. So I started reading, I started researching,
I started doing all these things and realizing like, there's
so many things in the world that can like cure you.
You can heal your own body, which is what we're
made to do. If you just like and this is
gonna sound so cliche if you ate, right, if you
ate not not only right, but you ate food that's
not poisoned, food that actually has nutrients, Because yeah, you
can go to the store and buy a bell pepper,
and that bell pepper has like a third of the
nutrients that a bell pepper that I grew in my
garden has just because of the way that it was manufactured,
like the seeds and the fertilizer and all the things, like,
it just is not grown the way that it should
be grown. So you're not getting the same amount of
nutrients that somebody from like a bell pepper from a
garden is. And then it was like so simple, Well,
now you need to move your body. I'm not saying
work out heavy all the time. Go on a freaking
walk outside and play with your kids, Like don't you
want to be able to play with your kids? And
then like I started listening to podcasts. I started listening
to Gary Breca. I started we went down this whole
like like sleeping, yeah, oh yeah, Like getting a good
night's sleep changes everything you have, Like you heal your
body is so much better, grounding yourself, Like it's such
simple things that you don't really have to think about.
So then I started going to a functional health doctor,
and I was like, Hey, these are the things that
I'm experiencing. And she didn't prescribe me a bunch of pills.
I mean she did kind of. She told me take
this supplement and take that supplement because you're low in
these nutrients. And then I started asking the questions, well,
why are we low on these nutrients? Like how come
I'm not getting these nutrients from the things that I'm eating? Well,
because the things that I'm eating are not the same
things as they were twenty years ago. Yeah, And so
it was just like this whole spiral rabbit hole that
I went down. And the more the doctors push one thing,
the more they push back when you try to advocate
for yourself, the harder I was like, Nope, I don't
like it. If you're gonna tell me that I can't
do something that I know for a fact would help
me or would hinder me, then I'm not like, I
don't like anything about it. The minute anybody starts to
get too pushy about something, you bet your butt, I'm
asking a lot of questions about that.
Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah, oh my gosh. Yes. So that's like where
I'm always curious how people made it to that conclusion
because that's where I like came to the whole uh
truth community world was through like the avenue of looking
into like the healthcare industry and functional medicine. My dad,
my dad was like ushered to his death kind of
by the allopathic healthcare industry. He had cancer, hold mess
other like diabetic and it was all like medicated throughout
his entire life. And so and my parents. What was
ironic was my parents were these weird like don't take
any medication hippie people, right, and so you you would
imagine those would be the last people to accept drugs
when they walk into the doctor's office. But what happens,
and this is something I'm always curious to hear people's
take on, is is a couple of things happened. I
would argue in that in that room where this guy
in a white coat says, hey, you got X, Y
and Z going on, And in that moment, you're scared,
you're nervous, you have you know, you feel overwhelmed, and
you hand over your entire self, agency, your entire spirit
to some degree to another human being. And it was
a long time before I kind of came to the conclusion,
Like I feel like that's part of what alloppathic medicine
exists to do, is is to get people to contractually
hand over their self agency and to kind of mask
the kinds of stuff the creator you know, wants us
to feel. Like everybody now is on a statin, right,
Like that's the most prescribed drug out there today for
people who aren't aware of what those do, like those
decreased sex drive. They make you cold, they make you miserable,
Like they make you not feel stuff that regular people
should feel, and they're typically being prescribed like men and
women around like their late thirties, early forties, Like that's
the first time a lot of people take a statin
and lo and behold, mom and dad get divorced, you know,
five years later? What the hell is that about? Maybe
let's ask the question of like what drugs are they?
What's going on? It makes them stop caring about each other?
And so to me, it's it's it's in an effort
to get people to contractually agree to handing themselves over
and and also to kind of mask the stuff. We're
here to experience, the emotions, we're here to have, the
the you know, physical presence that we're meant to have
when you know, you can't feel your legs because you're
on some medication, you know. And so I'm always curious
as the people's thoughts on that whole concept. I guess
I didn't mean to wax so poetic.
Speaker 3: I'll say, first, you're not handing your self agency over
to another human being. You're handing yourself agency to just
a conglomeration of I don't even understand what it is,
because it's like we talked about this with jewels, and
I think we talked about this kind of when we
did our terrain theory AEP. It's like it's not like
it's like the healthcare system. It's an entity in and
of itself because it's like the doctor's operating in it.
They're not operating with agency. That's a good point, you know,
and like that's a crazy thing that you're encountering. It's
it's something in and of itself.
Speaker 1: You know.
Speaker 2: They make more money the sicker you are, right, right, yeah,
And so like they thrive on you being sick, which
is like the opposite of the reason we go to
the doctor. We go to the doctor to get better,
and they're making us sicker and so, and like for me,
for one, like I was in the military, the likelihood
of me getting cancer is like really high. So now
knowing that I'm like, Okay, well, I need to do X,
Y and Z that I already know because like I
already know that cancer loves sugar, so I need to
like cut back on my sugar. I already know that
cancer cannot thrive in an oxygen rigi environment, So I
can go to a hyperbolic chamber every so often, you know,
like really I wish I could go more often, but
like really inundate my body with like full oxygen. Like
there's certain things that I know because like if I
get cancer, like I want to fight it on two fronts.
I do think that some allopathic medicine would work, like
if if we could do a surgery or whatever. But
also like there's things that I can do that's homeopathic
that we can like figure out and move forward. But
I don't necessarily believe that you could do it all.
I'm not of the insumption of the assumption that you
can do it all one way or all the other true,
but I think that you, as your own person, need
to make that decision. And stop leaving it up to
the world to make that decision. And it's so easy
because doctors they're quick to know everything right. And I
realized this with my children when I had both my boys.
So I had my older boy all natural. We did
it air. We didn't do it a birthing center. We
did it in the hospital, but it was with midwives.
So like I was in the like birthing pool. It
was great, it was beautiful and honestly, like it wasn't
that bad. And there'd be so many women out there
that hate me for that. I hated being pregnant. I
would birth a child any day. It was not that bad.
But with my son, With my second son, he was breached,
so I had to have a C section. They told
me I could have vaginally still, but he would get
stuck and it was gonna be this whole thing. I
wasn't gonna risk his life, so I decided, let's just
go ahead and do the sea section. Well, because of that,
they had to hand me over to the OB's the
difference in the care and I'm still in the exact
same hospital, the exact same birthing unit, the exact same
mom baby unit. The only difference is I was with
the midwives and then I was with the Obe's and
the difference is so drastic. After I had my baby
and they take me to like the mom Baby Unit.
Right when I had my first son, they asked me
all these questions. They're like, do you want a breastfeed?
Do you know how? Do you want somebody to come
in here and talk to you about it? Do you
want this? Do you want that? They asked me all
these When I had my second son, who I went
with the OBE because I had to, I had a
sea section. They came in and they're like, this is
what you're gonna do. This is what we require for
you to do. This is and I was like, oh no, no, no,
I'm opting out of that. And they're like, you can't
opt out, and I was like, actually, I know that
I can, right, And then they get mad. I had
a nurse come in and I was so drugged up
and so dopey after having the sea section, because they
gave me. They gave me medicine that she said I
might push, I might push sedation if you need it
to me. I did not need it. I had like
I had like an epidural and a spinal because they
were gonna anyway. I don't know why, but they did both.
And then she's like, if you need to just be
sedated a little bit, like you just need to calm down,
then i'll push that. And then I was like, wow,
I'm really nauseous. All of a sudden, she's like, oh,
that's the sedation going in and I was like, I
don't need it. I'm fine, Like I'm calm, I'm good.
So I was pissed and then I was super dope.
So she comes in the nurse she's like, your son,
I think he has blood sugar and I was like, okay,
so let's do like a blood sugar test. She did it,
but she didn't wait for it to come back. She said,
we are going to supplement with formula, and I said, no, no,
I don't want to supplement with formula. Like I really
need him to latch. I really need him to take
the breast milk. It's the best way for him to
get all the new treats that he needs. He has
to be on breast milk. And she said, nope, we
are supplementing. I said, well, did the blood sugar test
come back? She said no, not yet. I said, we
can't wait. She said no. She took my baby from me.
Mind you, I still could not move after having my
C section. She takes him out of my arms. She
goes in a corner behind me where I could not
see him, and starts to feel him. My mom. Thank
god for that woman. She was in the in the
room with me, and she was gonna fight that nurse.
She's like, you give that baby back right now, Like
we're gonna go down. But you can see like the
difference between like you have all these options with the
midwives because they already know that you're coming in like
wanting these options with those these are like we'll tell
you what you want.
Speaker 1: God crazy, the level of arrogance and just disrespect for humanity. Yeah,
and I.
Speaker 2: Was just on a baby, like I can't move, I
can't chase you to get my baby back, right, Lucky,
I came to your hospital.
Speaker 1: Yeah. Hell, this isn't a side. But it was a
month ago. I think when I found out this is embarrassing.
But when I found out that people were doing c
sections just awake.
Speaker 2: I how you're awake the whole time?
Speaker 1: What the hell?
Speaker 2: Yeah?
Speaker 1: That should not be that's not okay, that's not okay.
Speaker 2: They will put you all the way out. Like there
are some cases which this is wild to me. Sometimes
your epidural doesn't take like sometimes it doesn't take at all,
and sometimes it only takes on like one half your
body and not the other half. It's crazy. So in
those cases then they will put you all the way under.
But for me, the epidural took all the way and
then like I was just awake the whole time. They're like,
you're gonna feel a little pressure, and then my whole
body is like moving like this, and I was.
Speaker 1: Like, yeah, what's happening a little pressure. They do that
with vasectomies too. My boss told me that I.
Speaker 2: I don't get no whoa whoaa. The sec is like
this big of an incision. I know my husband and
I said, you're getting and he went in and got fixed.
Speaker 1: That still scares me, Like I realized they're not the same.
I'm trying to say they're the same.
Speaker 2: And he gets like a little nick What a man
thing to say.
Speaker 1: That was probably the most main thing I've said today.
And I'll own it. I'll own it to be.
Speaker 2: Awake during my besac to me.
Speaker 1: Just No one should be awake when they're being cut
open just put. People should be asleep for that. But
I wanted to beat my baby, and that is the
only instance where it makes sense to me. But it's
still that that is that that is that's terrifying. That's
borderline cycle path terrifying.
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, watch the whole thing. He and my husband,
he watched thee They took your organs and they just
like set them outside your body and I'm like, what,
don't tell me anything. He's like, do you want to see?
I'm gonna take a picture. I was like, don't take
don't you dare? I do not want to see I
will throw up.
Speaker 1: Yes, I want to see any of it.
Speaker 2: He was very excited about it though. Yeah, he he
likes to see all that stuff. He's like, if I
ever get a new replacement, I hope they give me
a mirror.
Speaker 1: Oh it's yeah. Why My my boss used to do
that for a living. He was a surgery tech. And
some of those pictures are wild. I mean there you
just see like just inside of a hip. Yeah, looking
inside of there me either, But I get shown whether
I want to or not.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I opt out.
Speaker 1: Uh yeah, yeah, id opted out of being awake during surgery,
but we don't always get what we want.
Speaker 2: That's actually the second surgery I was awake for.
Speaker 1: Oh my god.
Speaker 2: I had a wrist surgery one time and they told
me I was going to go under. They said, like
because I had had risk surgery before. And they're like, yeah,
we're gonna put you away. And they're like, we're just
going to try to like you know, just locally anesthesia.
And I was like, so, I'm not going to sleep,
and they're like, no, it'll be fine. And then like
we're in there and I'm like trying to focus on
like the heart rate monitor because I can hear it,
and then all of a sudden, it's like getting faster
and faster because I'm starting to have a panic attack
and I'm freaking out because like I can hear them
like in my I'm like, you guys, gotta knock me out.
I can't do this anyway.
Speaker 1: Yeah, no, one, no. Yeah. And that's good, but at
what cont at what cost?
Speaker 2: I know I can get through it. You can do anything,
true for a short amount of time.
Speaker 1: I guess that that's a fair point, But I don't
want to that's the problem. Is I'm a weenie.
Speaker 2: Oh, just man up a little bit. I know.
Speaker 1: I'm working on it. I'm working on it thirty two
years old and still working on it. I'll figure it out.
One day, it'll happen, I will. Well, this has been fun.
Thank you for Thank you for making the time. I
know you have probably a million other things you could
and probably should be doing, but you're spending time with us,
and we appreciate it.
Speaker 2: I am working on Wayfair right now, so it's a
nice little break.
Speaker 1: Oh, I'll be interested to listen to.
Speaker 2: I think it's going to be a short episode, like
a really hard time. It's just as straightforward as you
think it is. Okay, the history besides yeah, like maybe yeah,
it seems like they probably did no, but it's as
straightforward as you think. So now I'm like, do I
add something into it to make it like longer?
Speaker 1: Right? Her a little more exciting? Shows you up?
Speaker 2: Maybe I'm going through all the Epstein files but like,
and everyone's like, oh, they paid all this money to Epstein,
but I think that it was a mistake. Interesting, Like
I don't think like you have Epstein's like girlfriend or whoever,
what is her name? Karina? Oh Karina Shulia anyway, So
she was like buying all kinds of things on Wayfair,
but like for reasonable prices at anybody. She like bought
a lamp and it was like a hundred bucks and
I was like, yeah, that seems like a reasonable man
for a lamp, Like I can't find it. Yeah, Like,
she just really liked Wayfair and she did a lot
of Wayfair shopping so well.
Speaker 1: I mean, with all that Epstein cash, I'd be shopping too,
to be fair, But like when.
Speaker 2: Didn't Okay, this is where I get like a little
hooked up on it.
Speaker 1: Though.
Speaker 2: Wouldn't you buy something like wouldn't you have somebody to
like buy you something nicer?
Speaker 1: Right?
Speaker 2: You know, like why don't you have like a designer
to come Because at one point she bought like a
bathroom sink, and I was like, why would you buy
a bathroom sink?
Speaker 1: That is strange?
Speaker 2: Jeffrey Epstein's girlfriend allegedly, I don't know that's what they say.
You're his girlfriend. Why are you buying a sink? Don't
you have somebody to come to your house and like
do that for you?
Speaker 1: Right? I don't know that's a good point. Yeah, you
would you would think they would have like personal shoppers
or whatever, and he had a whole damn school he bought. So, like,
you know, surely you can find a sink in there.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 1: Right, it's a good point.
Speaker 2: There's got to be one of them. I'll look at that.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm excited.
Speaker 2: I'm almost done.
Speaker 1: It's done.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I'll probably record it tomorrow or on Wednesday. I
don't work on Tuesdays.
Speaker 1: Nice, I'm jealous.
Speaker 2: I go to school on Tuesdays.
Speaker 1: You're in school too.
Speaker 2: No, no, no, I take my kids to school.
Speaker 1: Oh okay, I'm Lena. Say good heavens is there anything
you don't do? But okay, that makes me feel a
little better, a little better.
Speaker 2: I only have the one.
Speaker 1: I could have more pigs, the one pig. You also
farm in your spare time, don't you?
Speaker 2: He doesn't everybody you.
Speaker 1: Know, I wish I did. I literally live in a
duplex next to some very white trash people, so I
don't have a play. I guess I could farm if
I like really wanted to, but I feel like they
might shoot me, so I haven't tried yet.
Speaker 2: I don't do that much. I do the bare minimum
to give bye.
Speaker 1: That is what people who don't do the bare minimum
say that's that's exactly what they say.
Speaker 2: Okay, well, if it makes fee any better, My studio
is still not the colors that I painted or that
I bought to paint it like a month ago.
Speaker 1: It looks good, I mean, it looks great. I like it.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I think the color washes me out. It's gonna
be cool when it's done.
Speaker 1: I'm excited to see the finished product.
Speaker 2: Yeah. I don't know if we'll ever get there. We'll
see what happens.
Speaker 1: Studios are work in progress. Yeah, I get it. I
get it. Yeah, all right, well thanks for doing this.
I guess, uh John, anything else, No, I don't think so.
It's just fantastic. Yeah, we appreciate it. You wanna tell
folks where they can find you again?
Speaker 2: Yeah, the rabbit hole, conspiracy theories, wherever you get your podcasts,
where you get your YouTube's or your rumble videos. If
I am not careful, I'm not gonna be on TikTok
any longer. But I get one more I think I
get one more chance before they kick me right on
out of there. But on Instagram, I do like I'll
answer all the messages I get on Instagram so at
Rabbit dot Hole podcast over there.
Speaker 1: Nice love it. Yeah, go like follow all the all
the things people do on the social media folks. Yeah,
we'll be going live tomorrow again for and I'm sorry
to have to say this a second time and subject
you to it for Touch Me Tuesdays at seven pm.
And then we'll be doing the show with the Jewels
from Great pield on the twenty eighth, right, John the
twenty eighth You And then we've got some Patreon stuff
coming up soon, so go check that out. We just
put a bonus episode there with Tyler Garrison, who is
a phenomenal human being. It's a great show, but main
thing is go check out Danny stuff. It's phenomenal and
I can speak to that. I rarely ever say that
about anything, so very true. You're a very negative person.
I am very negative and also a big drudging with phrase. Yeah,
so go check it out. It is super good And
if you don't want to waste time listening to a
bunch of mumbo job like her, her show is really
is really good. I can't say enough good stuff about it,
So go check that out, folks. Thanks for listening, and
thank you again. Danny, it's been fantastic.
Speaker 2: Thanks.
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