Speaker 1: Welcome to Big for Society and I'm Jeremiah Byron. Today's
Speaker 1: episode is especial in the field recording episode of a
Speaker 1: trip that just happened in Oakridge, Oregon during Sasquatch Summerfest
Speaker 1: twenty twenty five. I was able to go out to
Speaker 1: the field on the Thursday before the festival with Ronnie Roseman,
Speaker 1: Dwayne and new friend Mark. So you'll hear some interesting
Speaker 1: anecdotes along the way and see if we ran into
Speaker 1: anything strange or out of the ordinary up in the
Speaker 1: woods of the Oak Hole Research Area. Again, thanks for
Speaker 1: listening and joy, Pat.
Speaker 2: Did nothing to do about money to panic. You can't
Speaker 2: outrun them.
Speaker 3: Oh that's true. It is kind of end of the road.
Speaker 2: I mean, if it came to that point, you might
Speaker 2: as well just yeah, sing a song or something and
Speaker 2: go out horribly harves and leg is being ripped out
Speaker 2: of your sockets.
Speaker 4: You're right, I'm gonna go out whacking him in the
Speaker 4: head with my stick.
Speaker 2: There you go, thinking negative and violences you probably have.
Speaker 2: They probably gonna do a blunt charger, just come up
Speaker 2: and scare the shouty and then you turn and have
Speaker 2: a whack one a whack one of them. Then they
Speaker 2: would pull your head off where you might have let
Speaker 2: your go.
Speaker 4: That's a good possibility.
Speaker 2: Oh well, I'm I'm saying no, can't do anything. You
Speaker 2: can't beat them.
Speaker 3: So Ronnie, what should the goal be of going up
Speaker 3: there today?
Speaker 2: Fun?
Speaker 3: Fun? Okay, I'm done with that.
Speaker 2: You got We're like little kids looking for monsters, that's
Speaker 2: what I well, there you go.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 2: I never when I was nine years old thinking about
Speaker 2: big but when I grow up, I'm gonna find out
Speaker 2: what they are. So I might just tell a kid
Speaker 2: out there looking for monsters.
Speaker 4: I wasn't a kid.
Speaker 3: I was twelve years building.
Speaker 5: They could build a shelter, seein and cook my dear,
Speaker 5: stretch out the hide, use tending for string, not me,
Speaker 5: and make pine glue. That's awesome, dude, those are the
Speaker 5: wrong track.
Speaker 3: Awesome skills to have.
Speaker 2: That's stressful, responsibilities and discipline, aledge.
Speaker 3: Yeah, but if something happens like you said.
Speaker 6: I had more fun.
Speaker 2: I was in elementary school, I ditched. I had more fun.
Speaker 4: I had a lot of fun.
Speaker 3: It grew up like Cocklebury's been there you go.
Speaker 5: I had little huts built from miles down that way
Speaker 5: to miles up that way.
Speaker 4: We went fishing and hunting, and.
Speaker 2: That's why I like having you with me, you know
Speaker 2: all that, like you.
Speaker 3: To get me a turkey or a grouse or man,
Speaker 3: we eat good.
Speaker 4: I kill a grouse with a rock.
Speaker 3: Oh wow, just throw that big foot beIN is pretty good.
Speaker 3: I went there today. It's a good place. You know.
Speaker 4: That's what a Chris guests.
Speaker 3: You probably went. Well, dude, there's like nothing else open
Speaker 3: early in the morning around here. I forgot about it.
Speaker 3: You have to wait until like eight o'clock. Uh sweet,
Speaker 3: fine open.
Speaker 7: Yeah, and I'm on Central Standard time, so I'm thinking
Speaker 7: it's like two hours ahead.
Speaker 3: That was a week. I was open there a week.
Speaker 3: I had to charge my phone. I called him.
Speaker 5: It's like, oh man, it's a little crazy, but I was.
Speaker 2: I was open ready that right there, that is the
Speaker 2: guy that does see the yellow eyes.
Speaker 4: And okay, I guess.
Speaker 2: You're familiar with me. He told me you talked to
Speaker 2: you a while back. I told him I did. I
Speaker 2: didn't know what's going on too, But there's so many
Speaker 2: people and I don't know what's gonna happen here.
Speaker 7: Uh.
Speaker 2: I need to get back with him, and I can't
Speaker 2: call dude.
Speaker 8: The Area fifty eight is hopping right now. Good, there's
Speaker 8: already people.
Speaker 6: Let's drive by the park and uh, let's area.
Speaker 3: Fifty eight that's the big Book museum.
Speaker 6: Oh, let's drive by the park. I can't abandon John.
Speaker 6: You know, you come all the way from Montana.
Speaker 4: And he's all right. I like Don.
Speaker 3: He's a good guy.
Speaker 2: I like it.
Speaker 9: He is.
Speaker 2: A few years ago he come up. That's when I
Speaker 2: was trying to make friends with these things. They were
Speaker 2: still pissed on. He said, let's go up and said,
Speaker 2: what's going on it? I didn't want to go back
Speaker 2: there at that point. I took him out there and
Speaker 2: he wanted to stay all night, and I said, all right,
Speaker 2: I was gonna do it. He wanted to see what
Speaker 2: I was doing. I was taking the food up this.
Speaker 2: When I started doing.
Speaker 6: That, we sit down and I had to put the
Speaker 6: feud up. I'm getting ready.
Speaker 2: It takes about fifteen minutes, and I'm trying to get
Speaker 2: it together. And he said, and I cant see him.
Speaker 2: He's puffing up already clustered. He said, all right, Ron,
Speaker 2: He said, what's going on around here? I said, Don,
Speaker 2: he's gonna take a moment and let me get this
Speaker 2: out of the way. We got all day to talk.
Speaker 2: I want to get this stuff.
Speaker 6: In the tree, and I put the food out there,
Speaker 6: said down and he was lucky. I said, I think
Speaker 6: I want to go home. There's nothing gonna happen.
Speaker 3: So is he camping down here?
Speaker 2: Uh? Who knows what he's doing.
Speaker 7: You're just guessing he's down here. I do he might
Speaker 7: be down Well, I don't see him, dude. Well maybe
Speaker 7: he went out by himself and I could see him
Speaker 7: doing that. Yeah, oh yeah, he probably just went out.
Speaker 2: He probably did. But I got it checked. I gotta
Speaker 2: I gotta be able to say.
Speaker 3: For you, you did your your thing. You know, you
Speaker 3: look to upset.
Speaker 5: I know, trying to get more out of me. But
Speaker 5: it's like, go down there, let's look down. Oh yeah,
Speaker 5: one last check.
Speaker 2: I could tell you stories about him, but to beat
Speaker 2: five hours, I don't want to get on that.
Speaker 3: Are they having the speakers inside the community hall this year?
Speaker 2: Is like that's gonna have something here?
Speaker 4: Oh?
Speaker 2: Really got married.
Speaker 3: I was a telling people out here. Don't do the
Speaker 3: farmer's wave, do they?
Speaker 2: Farmers?
Speaker 3: You guys don't like when you just wave at someone
Speaker 3: like this. Guys don't do that.
Speaker 4: Do you?
Speaker 3: Oh, you do all right? I was just waving at
Speaker 3: people who you're looking at. I don't think that's him
Speaker 3: over there.
Speaker 2: They might be hiking back and there.
Speaker 3: See that guy knew he knew you do the nod
Speaker 3: and acknowledge.
Speaker 2: That's all right? Should we go by? And knocked on
Speaker 2: the door of the serage the serge Mark Mark, he
Speaker 2: was in last night. He's a cool dalking the beard guy.
Speaker 3: Oh who's he's also been to the same area.
Speaker 8: Yes, that burger place isn't open anymore. Right, No, that's
Speaker 8: too bad. I never got to go to that place.
Speaker 6: Yeah, that's the guy.
Speaker 2: He plays guitar. He's pretty good. I telling him, lets
Speaker 2: get together and let's go out down to the music.
Speaker 2: So i'd buy any music right now. I'd be crying
Speaker 2: trying to get him out. He wanted to get together,
Speaker 2: and then he just I don't know, he's so down.
Speaker 2: And now I said, not take you. I want to
Speaker 2: take you up. We'll go up and where the pot
Speaker 2: area as long as I'm knowing you don't know I'm
Speaker 2: into Bigfoot.
Speaker 4: No I didn't know that.
Speaker 2: I said, yeah, we'll go up there and we'll take
Speaker 2: a six pack and do play some music in the
Speaker 2: Bigfoot area, and then I got stoopid. I talked too much.
Speaker 2: I'm telling him about how they would come in on
Speaker 2: me and.
Speaker 3: Dwayne and gonna tears the party show.
Speaker 6: He said, you want to take me up there where
Speaker 6: they're up there turning your bar night.
Speaker 4: So I got scared.
Speaker 2: I killed that I really quick.
Speaker 3: That's too bad.
Speaker 2: I got to think before I talk. But I can't
Speaker 2: do that because I can't think too good.
Speaker 7: So, Ronnie, since the last time, have there been any
Speaker 7: cool Bigfoot things that you've been involved with?
Speaker 2: Not? Nothing exceptional except that about six weeks ago. What
Speaker 2: it was, I went up there and, uh, there's the
Speaker 2: high pitched sounds coming off. Now as about thirty minutes
Speaker 2: when that blood curdly freaking banshee scream came off with
Speaker 2: a little kind of like a growl mixed in with it.
Speaker 2: That was a horrifying freaking.
Speaker 3: Was that when Kyle was with you? No, No, that
Speaker 3: was a different time, because stuff happened when you and
Speaker 3: Kyle went.
Speaker 2: Up right there. Well, with the sounds, you could tell
Speaker 2: they were coming up with sounds, but they're kind of yeah,
Speaker 2: I was just they were kind of, you know, nothing,
Speaker 2: driving up but you could tell it was them, but
Speaker 2: they seemed to mellow up. Someone are be okay with Kyle.
Speaker 2: Kyle seems to have something to you.
Speaker 3: Uh, Kyle's got some good vibes.
Speaker 9: Uh.
Speaker 3: He's a very interesting individual.
Speaker 2: He kind of lay low and he's at the I've
Speaker 2: been up there twice.
Speaker 3: With him and the chill out.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's kind of more chill. I'm there, they're by myself.
Speaker 2: They want to start and scream and doesn't make it
Speaker 2: feel very comfortable, you know. Yeah, now they don't like
Speaker 2: me no more, not exactly sure, but see what the
Speaker 2: sergeants do. We don't want to leave him out.
Speaker 3: Oh this is Mark ra here.
Speaker 8: Yeah, okay, let me see what's up.
Speaker 2: I tried to call him that the freaking number didn't
Speaker 2: go through.
Speaker 3: If you steer enough to move this whatever.
Speaker 2: It is, you got a piece of chicken, he's gonna
Speaker 2: eat that. He'll be up.
Speaker 10: He's a piece of chicken.
Speaker 4: So I don't know, sounds good?
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, yeah, we need to move the No.
Speaker 2: But in pioretically that might have worked because I really
Speaker 2: had to trust.
Speaker 4: It was a pleasure while I was.
Speaker 2: There, you know, and and doing that and have that
Speaker 2: interaction and theoretically, I think I would have got to
Speaker 2: meet him, get close to him. I think they would
Speaker 2: have come in if I didn't went up and stayed
Speaker 2: by myself at night. I think they would have come
Speaker 2: in real close.
Speaker 11: Uh.
Speaker 2: But anyway, somehow that.
Speaker 4: Got screwed up.
Speaker 2: I'm here all right, I'm making you a seat. We
Speaker 2: want to make sure it's clean for you. Well, I
Speaker 2: just can't stand a mess like this.
Speaker 12: It really bothers me.
Speaker 2: If you believe that, all right, I think it's in
Speaker 2: two We're good, all right, as top by the house.
Speaker 2: Just second, throw some of it out real quick.
Speaker 7: So you got involved in this area because Ronnie took
Speaker 7: you right to the area.
Speaker 3: Times you had found it yourself for Ronnie Gosha finger.
Speaker 2: I found if there's a three, yeah.
Speaker 3: Right, because you said you were.
Speaker 7: You found that trail where it was like a much
Speaker 7: bigger than a deer damn yeah. And it went across
Speaker 7: It was to the right of the meadow, like you said.
Speaker 4: Yeah.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 3: If you're facing the.
Speaker 13: Meadow, yep, ways down to the right and it's not
Speaker 13: on the other side of the road, stops right at
Speaker 13: the road.
Speaker 3: So, Dwayne, I wonder if that's the same trail.
Speaker 8: Remember that trail where we found the the tracks going
Speaker 8: up on the that incline last year.
Speaker 4: That's possible.
Speaker 3: Hum, it may be close to that.
Speaker 4: It's almost when it sounds.
Speaker 13: Did you say that there was one? He drew a
Speaker 13: picture and he showed me there's a little trail behind
Speaker 13: where the your campsite was. Yeah, that's pretty close to
Speaker 13: where the Yeah.
Speaker 3: There there's a his charge.
Speaker 5: Yeah, there's trails all through there. But those got the
Speaker 5: world the swamp and the skunk cabbage, and I mean
Speaker 5: it's like, I think their kitchen down there.
Speaker 12: I mean that's where this trail leaves.
Speaker 2: Yeah, okay, right down down the bridge.
Speaker 4: Wow, could I mean? Yeah, Well we'll find out.
Speaker 5: It you get some other trails there, he sothing because
Speaker 5: where we and you walked in was on the left
Speaker 5: of the camp.
Speaker 3: Yep with all those weird breaks and stuff.
Speaker 4: And goes right down into a nice trail.
Speaker 7: The twist offs in those circle that was weird. Now
Speaker 7: some weird breaks up there.
Speaker 12: Yeah, Well you don't know, but it's always usually you
Speaker 12: see where you're going down a road or trail or something,
Speaker 12: you'll see a branch broke over like that.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 12: Yeah, it's stay on.
Speaker 5: There's a lot of that and twisted ones. Vegas completely
Speaker 5: twist them and pulled them off.
Speaker 7: I don't know if we were seeing breaks that were like,
Speaker 7: what were they like eight to ten feet up?
Speaker 3: Yeah, they were real high up.
Speaker 5: The biggest one that track was like twenty three It
Speaker 5: just twenty three and a half or something inches, And
Speaker 5: the heel was just like monsters wide.
Speaker 4: I mean, there's not proportion like a person.
Speaker 13: It's and we never come up prepared with any faster.
Speaker 3: I haven't seen that yet after start rating a game. Yeah,
Speaker 3: you won't need that till I mean in the mud.
Speaker 7: Last year that Sunday when we took Cliff up, if
Speaker 7: we had had plaster, we could have gotten some really
Speaker 7: good prints just outside the metal, but we just didn't
Speaker 7: have any.
Speaker 11: You know.
Speaker 3: Then Cliff totally what it helped us do it. He
Speaker 3: says he's goned, but it never hasn't.
Speaker 9: Yeah.
Speaker 5: I took him up there. That's how he found it
Speaker 5: was my daughter was talking to him about what I've
Speaker 5: been hearing up here, and he wanted to meet me,
Speaker 5: and I took him up there. Man, he would have
Speaker 5: had the best reay if he were to record what
Speaker 5: happened there's nobody that would have ever had a better
Speaker 5: recording anything I've ever heard, yea or anything.
Speaker 2: Never heard that one with all those five sounds at
Speaker 2: the same time going off in salon the owl, you know,
Speaker 2: the raven, all of it, the coyote, and the two
Speaker 2: frea like chimpanzee, crazy sounds all at once and right
Speaker 2: there at us, right.
Speaker 4: Right by us, Yeah, right all around us.
Speaker 2: It was so doubt loud. It was almost Stephanie.
Speaker 3: I was intimidated that we'd had a recording of that.
Speaker 2: I had a recorder on my phone and it didn't
Speaker 2: even know I didn't even have enough sense to know
Speaker 2: that I had a recorder.
Speaker 12: On my phone.
Speaker 8: Well, you're not thinking about it at that time. You're like,
Speaker 8: am I gonna die or not?
Speaker 4: Right?
Speaker 2: Well, I would not so much as Dwayne, because I
Speaker 2: figured they've given us a break. Uh, of course you
Speaker 2: don't think positive like that. No, they didn't come and
Speaker 2: scream at us for twenty twenty five minutes coming in
Speaker 2: to get Hey.
Speaker 3: They didn't bring me a rose or nothing to eat,
Speaker 3: So I don't know.
Speaker 2: What about that. The bottle up to be patient. I
Speaker 2: was about ready to get him to bring me roses
Speaker 2: after I fixed it up.
Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, I.
Speaker 2: Mean I was sudden. I kept telling him. I said,
Speaker 2: dawayne I turned it around. I said, they're nice and stuff.
Speaker 2: Are you wanna which story were going to that one?
Speaker 4: Yep, you're the one that pissed them off. I don't
Speaker 4: no doubt in mine.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I lost him.
Speaker 4: I'd have been known. See if he could read your mind? Man,
Speaker 4: I can't believe I wasn't gonna.
Speaker 2: Oh that'd be horrible.
Speaker 4: What's you getting here?
Speaker 6: Oh?
Speaker 4: Something to take up? And oh?
Speaker 2: Okay, you guys want anything? I might grab something too.
Speaker 13: No, I'm fine, yeah, okay, I don't grab much. And
Speaker 13: I was eating eight the rest.
Speaker 2: Of you want some chicken? No, I get some chicken
Speaker 2: because I want don't want to eat all of it.
Speaker 12: No, we can go back some chicken if you want.
Speaker 12: We can go back by eight the most of it.
Speaker 10: We're close enough.
Speaker 2: We can go back buy and get your chicken.
Speaker 12: No.
Speaker 13: No, no, the dogs done eighty again.
Speaker 3: It's gone.
Speaker 12: Somebody some dogs offst over there. Yeah, other signs that
Speaker 12: have got a thousand dollars reward?
Speaker 4: Right do I have?
Speaker 8: I had some some cliff bars too, So you get hungry,
Speaker 8: just let me know.
Speaker 12: I had a nice breakfast.
Speaker 7: Okay, I had a nice breakfast too. I went to, uh,
Speaker 7: that is a sweet Vine place. They're really good in there,
Speaker 7: and so last year I would I was trying to
Speaker 7: track down these old timers that usually are at d Q,
Speaker 7: and they end up hanging out at Sweet Vine now
Speaker 7: because he is not open early enough, so they hang
Speaker 7: out a sweet Vine. So I was able to talk
Speaker 7: to a big foot. They were kind of like, oh no,
Speaker 7: we never had anything like that. Maybe they open up
Speaker 7: after a few months type dude. Yeah, got to go
Speaker 7: over to the museum today.
Speaker 3: That place is great.
Speaker 12: It's a good job playing.
Speaker 3: They're doing good over there. Man, they're gonna need more space.
Speaker 7: I mean if they get if it gets to the
Speaker 7: point where anyone else is like, hey here's another collection, like,
Speaker 7: they won't have the space because they have so much
Speaker 7: pewter burn stuff.
Speaker 14: Yeah.
Speaker 3: I'm doing long pants and long sleeves today. I'd rather
Speaker 3: sweat than get bit.
Speaker 12: They ain't going to protect you very good your hand.
Speaker 3: Well I'm talking about the flies.
Speaker 12: Oh what he's what you up there?
Speaker 3: Yeah?
Speaker 7: Well I got tore up or something to me. I
Speaker 7: even got this what you said this goof I got
Speaker 7: this goofy uh. I was just doing research about like
Speaker 7: how to stop horse.
Speaker 8: Flies, and I found out that up in Northern Canada
Speaker 8: they have like these, uh, these clip on like fake dragonflies.
Speaker 3: So I got one of those goofy things.
Speaker 8: Because the dragonfly is a natural predator of the horse fly.
Speaker 3: So you look like an idiot, but it takes.
Speaker 2: Him away, so.
Speaker 3: That I'm fine with.
Speaker 12: Now, you said something bitch in your leg? Yeah?
Speaker 3: Three here, two here? It was bad.
Speaker 13: It sounds like my friend they got hit by two
Speaker 13: of them, and his old leg was old.
Speaker 4: I mean just.
Speaker 12: The skin was dead. Oh how you didn't keep from
Speaker 12: losing these leg I don't know.
Speaker 7: Well, So the reason I took it serious. At the
Speaker 7: end the last I last day I was here, I
Speaker 7: was interviewing a wilderness guide up on high Prairie and
Speaker 7: at the end of our interview at his cabin.
Speaker 3: He looked at my legs and he was like, what
Speaker 3: are you doing.
Speaker 2: I'm like, what do you mean.
Speaker 7: He's like, dude, you go to a hospital immediately, like
Speaker 7: he got stone serious about it, and I was like,
Speaker 7: all right, I'm canceling everything else and I'm going to Springfield.
Speaker 3: Yeah, and that's it, you know.
Speaker 7: Thankfully he was able to take care of it. But
Speaker 7: they had no idea was they were like, never seen
Speaker 7: anything like that.
Speaker 2: Dude, it's weird.
Speaker 7: But you were telling you were talking about the black
Speaker 7: widow thing, right, which is an interesting idea.
Speaker 3: It potentially could have been that.
Speaker 12: You're moving over. Weren't moving any logs around, were you
Speaker 12: or anything?
Speaker 7: No, but I was not being smart and I was
Speaker 7: tramping through that meadow and tramping through.
Speaker 2: The woods and shouldn't been too bad.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 7: I was like wearing shorts and stuff and not like
Speaker 7: really yep, it was a real bad move. So yeah,
Speaker 7: my wife is like, you never going in the woods
Speaker 7: with shorts every you know.
Speaker 12: Yep. I I got bit my round recluse. Really, I
Speaker 12: think I got about this paper.
Speaker 3: Oh my goodness, that hurt. Woof, that's some scary stuff too.
Speaker 12: Yep. Spiders can get you.
Speaker 15: Uh huh, alright, Ronnie's good.
Speaker 12: Yeah hit the road.
Speaker 2: Yah, yeah, that is so frought drink fire or night.
Speaker 2: I Uh. It took a lots for me to get
Speaker 2: up there and change it around, and a lot of nerve.
Speaker 2: I laid there for weeks thinking, but try to get
Speaker 2: up the nerve to go and I went up there after.
Speaker 2: I was there for a week, and I heard nothing
Speaker 2: was silent after being run out of there twice. The
Speaker 2: guitar was working. I knew it. It's keeping them at
Speaker 2: vague and they're they're trying to figure the asking or
Speaker 2: they're watching me and the music. Because I know if
Speaker 2: I hadn't had the guitar and started doing that, because
Speaker 2: they wouldn't any rest of my food anymore, they would have.
Speaker 2: I'm sure it would have been escalated. They didn't run
Speaker 2: me out of there, and I might have been pushing
Speaker 2: the envelope being run out of there twice, and I
Speaker 2: might hand have been worse than what I wanted. But
Speaker 2: that guitar changed around, I know it did. And so
Speaker 2: but it took two weeks to go out there doing
Speaker 2: that complete silence, no interaction. And after about two weeks,
Speaker 2: I went up there, like I said on your show,
Speaker 2: and the bananas were gone.
Speaker 3: Oh yeah, that's the that banana think was weird last year.
Speaker 2: Yeah, And so the banana is gone and there's no
Speaker 2: uh remains or particles of the food or nothing.
Speaker 4: These say, don't leave that.
Speaker 2: All the other animals do, I mean the chipmunks or whatever,
Speaker 2: and the birds and beer. I had a beer problem
Speaker 2: twice that they're putting that food up, but uh surprising,
Speaker 2: but they of course they me weave a big mess,
Speaker 2: but these things don't. So I figured it was them
Speaker 2: and I. But it took a long time to get
Speaker 2: him to do that.
Speaker 3: You get some chicken.
Speaker 2: We want chicken, all right.
Speaker 4: For your hen.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I can help you, but it's so there.
Speaker 2: It is so disappointing because I had I had, I
Speaker 2: had them almost my hand, and uh, somehow I missed it.
Speaker 2: I'll never have the chance again. You know that could
Speaker 2: have led into some really need one time opportunity.
Speaker 3: Well, I mean you can only keep moving forward, you know.
Speaker 2: No, you can't keep pushing that envelope now, and they
Speaker 2: might kill me. I don't. I don't know, true, but
Speaker 2: I know we're not friendly basis, and that's never gonna
Speaker 2: happen again.
Speaker 3: Maybe maybe not.
Speaker 2: I had that once in a lifetime chance. Because of
Speaker 2: the circumstances, I messed it up somehow. That's when I
Speaker 2: come up with those three rules. Don't underestimate them, don't
Speaker 2: disrespect them, and don't try to trick the same rule
Speaker 2: as you use for a woman.
Speaker 4: Right, Well, but you left out. Don't trust them. You
Speaker 4: have to have trust.
Speaker 3: You got you got Dan.
Speaker 2: You can't establish trust, you're you're messed up.
Speaker 7: Most people get screwed up when they try to trick them. Yeah,
Speaker 7: that's what I've found.
Speaker 2: Don't try to trick man.
Speaker 4: I learned it. I learned it the hard way.
Speaker 2: I was thinking that we needed to get someone. I
Speaker 2: know we're through.
Speaker 12: You need somebody else.
Speaker 2: Okay, no, no, we're fine.
Speaker 3: I'll turn around.
Speaker 2: No, we can go down out. Okay, everybody relaxing. Don't
Speaker 2: freaking talk me to death. Okay, irright, I gotta use
Speaker 2: my head.
Speaker 9: Okay.
Speaker 6: It's the first time going up there with no alcohol.
Speaker 7: So that is actually really interesting. It is the first time,
Speaker 7: isn't it. Yes, it'll be interesting to see what that.
Speaker 2: Are already getting stressed. I'm going up again't getting whacohol
Speaker 2: up there in corner.
Speaker 3: Oh, you'll be fine.
Speaker 2: It's so unique taking this six pack up there when
Speaker 2: we were had hitting it off. Yeah, and uh, I'm
Speaker 2: singing and drinking and they're whipping and they're I'm it's surreal.
Speaker 2: I don't know how to describe it. It's like you
Speaker 2: get this feeling that's like you. You know, it's special,
Speaker 2: and it's a feeling like you're some in some primordial
Speaker 2: time frame or something like you went back way back.
Speaker 2: I don't know how I've described. And you're interacting with
Speaker 2: something that can't be explained.
Speaker 9: Right, and and.
Speaker 2: They're accepting you. It's just a great feeling as a guy.
Speaker 2: I interviewed him on a cassette tape years ago. He's
Speaker 2: been a hunter. He's been here all his life. I
Speaker 2: haven't talked too many years ago, but it was one
Speaker 2: of these mountains. I don't exactly know what you can
Speaker 2: see it from down. He said that he was walking
Speaker 2: hiking up there, and he said that there is for trees.
Speaker 2: I mean that big around looked like Vince close, Vince are.
Speaker 2: He twisted and.
Speaker 6: Broke off, not cut, and he said he got the
Speaker 6: feeling that he.
Speaker 2: Whether the post it go beyond that point. And he
Speaker 2: said when he got home that evening, he was watching
Speaker 2: a documentary on Gurrilla's Yeah, and he said he's seen
Speaker 2: a gorilla doing the same thing in the market's territory.
Speaker 2: He said that here in the back of his connection China. Wow,
Speaker 2: I had back get a home of him before you go,
Speaker 2: maybe you can have a talk with him. He's got
Speaker 2: some interest.
Speaker 3: Do you still have that cassette? Take no everything?
Speaker 7: So that's like I hear stuff like that all the
Speaker 7: time where it's like, guys, I used to do interviews
Speaker 7: on cassettes like thirty years ago, Like Daniel Perez has
Speaker 7: a lot of them. But they're just gonna They're never
Speaker 7: gonna be transferred to anything else, you know.
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's a shame.
Speaker 2: She's a number one.
Speaker 4: Yeah.
Speaker 2: She told me one time she was out here, she's
Speaker 2: a hunter to humble in these cart truck I hope
Speaker 2: don't bother you, guys, but you're good. This bothers people
Speaker 2: meet pulling over. Like she told me that she was
Speaker 2: out hiking somewhere out here. It was a snows you know,
Speaker 2: on the ground, patches and.
Speaker 3: You have someone right behind you, Yeah.
Speaker 6: Right on the bed.
Speaker 2: I didn't actually to wait another thirty seconds. Why didn't
Speaker 2: they got them travels and bats? They got them somewhere
Speaker 2: to go. I got to go home alongst TV or something.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, he's hurt.
Speaker 9: Hurt.
Speaker 2: Yeah, she said she seemed like the tracks they must
Speaker 2: have been eighteen inches and that snow, and she said
Speaker 2: she went and got her friend. Yeah, like back up
Speaker 2: there to shore.
Speaker 3: Did I tell you what happened last time at d
Speaker 3: Q before I left? So you know, last time.
Speaker 7: Like I was like a little bit more like decked
Speaker 7: out with like wearing big foot stuff. This time, I'm
Speaker 7: kind of like a little bit not as crazy. But
Speaker 7: I was in DQ getting a breakfast thing. This old
Speaker 7: guy comes out of nowhere. He sees my big but
Speaker 7: shirt and he's like, hey, John Green stole my track
Speaker 7: cast back in like the eighties or seventies and never
Speaker 7: gave it back. I was like, what are you talking about, dude?
Speaker 7: And he had this crazy story about John Green using
Speaker 7: one of his tracks for the Eugene Paper and never
Speaker 7: giving it back to him.
Speaker 4: And I found the article about it too.
Speaker 3: It's pretty crazy.
Speaker 7: Oh yeah, I think it was just like a miscommunication thing.
Speaker 6: Yeah, there's probably more for the story.
Speaker 9: Yeah.
Speaker 6: Knowing John Green for twenty five.
Speaker 2: Years or thirty, I I don't know if they ever
Speaker 2: doing anything on energy. Was always out there on anybody,
Speaker 2: and that people got pissed on that he'd because you
Speaker 2: didn't give me so much information out Oh yeah, yeah,
Speaker 2: I'd be ever a very interviewed or talk to Tom Powell.
Speaker 8: Yeah, actually I did a few months ago and it's
Speaker 8: coming out.
Speaker 3: In a few days.
Speaker 12: Oh good.
Speaker 3: Yeah, he's a great guy to talk to.
Speaker 12: Oh. I really like him.
Speaker 2: I don't know if he likes likes me too much,
Speaker 2: but I like him. And he's into that woo stuff
Speaker 2: pretty good.
Speaker 3: Because he came out with that new book.
Speaker 7: So like half of it is his like Bigfoot history,
Speaker 7: and then the.
Speaker 3: Other half is about his new book. He's a real no,
Speaker 3: he's good and.
Speaker 2: He gets into the woo but he explains it and
Speaker 2: it's entertaining and it's enlightening and he's got a way
Speaker 2: of doing his personality or something.
Speaker 9: And yeah, I like listening to him.
Speaker 6: Yeah, John Green, I didn't pick any d H last night.
Speaker 4: Oh yeah, when I was I was.
Speaker 2: In John Green's living and we didn't got an eighteen
Speaker 2: s track. He come out, he said on the table,
Speaker 2: and he's got a calculator. He's always calculating stuff.
Speaker 6: And it made sense of wish I had had it
Speaker 6: all down the way.
Speaker 2: He did it. I don't have a picture, but he
Speaker 2: turned the knees, he looked at me and he and
Speaker 2: he pointed that in the way and calculated and he
Speaker 2: says that.
Speaker 6: Fella right there weighed two thousand pounds.
Speaker 2: The way he calculated out that was anty in his track.
Speaker 2: That was his opinion on that. Uh, and he was
Speaker 2: pretty good and stuff like that.
Speaker 9: You know that's yeah.
Speaker 3: Yeah, we just missed it.
Speaker 2: I don't wanna stop that quick anyway on there we
Speaker 2: got all the road.
Speaker 4: There's hot Yeah, yeah.
Speaker 2: This is said it happen.
Speaker 4: Let's see.
Speaker 2: No, you gotta be kidding. Somebody's pulling their bonds. What
Speaker 2: what it was?
Speaker 4: Kind of weird, lover, wasn't weird? Un't canning.
Speaker 2: That's why it's like I told you when I was
Speaker 2: in Arkansas, within about a week a week had at
Speaker 2: the possumle Confort me and then the sheriffs and they
Speaker 2: had the guy and I didn't do anything.
Speaker 3: There's a good there's an yep.
Speaker 2: Maybe hope cares can worry about it?
Speaker 9: What uh?
Speaker 4: What?
Speaker 2: What?
Speaker 9: Oh?
Speaker 12: You don't scare me like that.
Speaker 4: No, don't scare me like that.
Speaker 3: Can you see that Wayne had a heart attack right there?
Speaker 4: Man? That was You're clear.
Speaker 13: I'm clear, you're clear, clear, clear, car coming, but you'll
Speaker 13: be clear for the time you get out right.
Speaker 9: Yeah, we're good.
Speaker 6: They gotta make sure, holy moly, you cook him.
Speaker 2: Oh, I have to call my daughter something. I want
Speaker 2: to get affimation.
Speaker 12: It's a good rope.
Speaker 2: Yeah, let's just relax if you've got time.
Speaker 9: If it happens, Yep.
Speaker 4: This is neat. Just being here is kind of.
Speaker 2: Kind of nice, soothing.
Speaker 4: It a lot better than you.
Speaker 9: Yeah.
Speaker 2: I entertained the idea of Duwayne once in a while,
Speaker 2: but then it scares me too much. But you know,
Speaker 2: we lost so much here not being able to document anything,
Speaker 2: and it's so much happen from time to day. I
Speaker 2: think about going up there and doing that sound again.
Speaker 2: You know that there's a note you dinner. I'm not
Speaker 2: I I it's hard to entertain it. I the idea
Speaker 2: because that time be ready to record him if we
Speaker 2: get out alive. You know, we drive this way.
Speaker 4: A little bit, so that's who it is.
Speaker 8: Yeah, this is the way we go. I'm looking at
Speaker 8: the map right now, Ronnie.
Speaker 2: Right now, that's cool.
Speaker 12: It's pretty neat.
Speaker 2: We got some kind of primorial pre historic man out
Speaker 2: of here or something, I don't know what.
Speaker 11: Who listen.
Speaker 2: After having these experiences up here where I had to
Speaker 2: raise the borrow or something, it was like, I mean
Speaker 2: don't underestimate him, right. I think it wouldn't be something
Speaker 2: of the thinking of some prigulous, aren't if they had
Speaker 2: at supernatural way on. They do all this stuff intentionally,
Speaker 2: do the crazy stuff that nobody would believe, so the
Speaker 2: research is recent and come back with all these testimonians
Speaker 2: about all this crazy and they go back to the
Speaker 2: community and tell them so where everybody thinks we're crazy,
Speaker 2: and they have it all planned so the people that
Speaker 2: think we're insane and nobody will listen to us.
Speaker 12: Okay, there's the road.
Speaker 7: Also, it might be a way if we so hold on,
Speaker 7: hold on, if we we're going towards the place, right,
Speaker 7: we want to go towards way.
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's that.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's like the number we have to keep it
Speaker 2: on these I know, but that where the incident.
Speaker 3: Oh gotcha? Okay, sorry, if we go that way, I.
Speaker 4: Could have sworn our roads up there too.
Speaker 2: I could have swore something, but I'm not sure.
Speaker 4: Maybe the nick one then, or as I could be wrong.
Speaker 2: I've been pro a couple of times that way.
Speaker 4: There's people who probably had incidences everywhere.
Speaker 3: Oh yeah, yeah, oh absolutely, we.
Speaker 2: Want to go where the crazy ones happened been appairly recent.
Speaker 4: Yeah, my brother walked every bit of This was one
Speaker 4: of our favorite on the spots.
Speaker 2: And you never seen one. You've seen one one time
Speaker 2: in that forty years, right.
Speaker 5: That was after that, yeah, my brother wal thol Is.
Speaker 2: But you got seen too when this thing did the
Speaker 2: bluff charge for a year ago.
Speaker 3: Right, No one.
Speaker 2: W in the belly, I mean in the meadow with
Speaker 2: the thing jumped.
Speaker 5: And he jumped and ran. At first I thought that
Speaker 5: was like, is that a bear they want walked down
Speaker 5: or the butchers were so alive? Yeah, that thing had
Speaker 5: to have been enormous. And then Cliff found that partial track.
Speaker 4: We ran it back the other way.
Speaker 2: And Denise went back in there and found more tracks.
Speaker 3: Right, Oh she was a becker with them, but she
Speaker 3: found spound something her.
Speaker 4: So yeah, So.
Speaker 7: The Thursday we were up, we found like a track
Speaker 7: or two and then Janice was like, let's get Cliff
Speaker 7: to go up. And then Cliff found more and then
Speaker 7: Denise found more too. It was just like going into
Speaker 7: the woods.
Speaker 4: It was weird.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I've been trying to it's just crazy. We had
Speaker 2: some clear tracks sperience too, and nobody documented anything, and
Speaker 2: I Denise she found some tracks. Everybody nobody really documented anything.
Speaker 2: I just never really got me in it.
Speaker 5: I'm past the point and eat anybody his confirmation unapparently
Speaker 5: any big teams.
Speaker 7: Oh yeah, after you have a sighting like like you saw, dude,
Speaker 7: it's like it doesn't matter what other people say.
Speaker 4: Yeah, no doubt in my mind.
Speaker 2: Yeah, but Date, he was there with him standing there,
Speaker 2: but he was lucky in the opposite direction. Correct me
Speaker 2: if I'm wrong, But he was looking in the op
Speaker 2: direction and he had his camera. But he heard it,
Speaker 2: and Dwayne is looking at it when it comes out
Speaker 2: and day may here. It's so what time he turned around,
Speaker 2: he was already back in the voliage, back in the
Speaker 2: tree line.
Speaker 12: Yeah.
Speaker 4: The way it jumped was weird. It looked so.
Speaker 3: I don't know, I should probably turn it. I understand
Speaker 3: what I was even seeing.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, even though you know they're there, you really
Speaker 2: don't expect that like that.
Speaker 8: And that always bugs me because I missed that by
Speaker 8: just a few hours, dude.
Speaker 2: Dame, I missed the bite bite ten seconds truly.
Speaker 3: Yeah, that's even worse.
Speaker 5: After we crawled back there and looked out, it's all
Speaker 5: the branches and the brush was whatever little thing I
Speaker 5: thought I seen him jumping.
Speaker 3: Wasn't little, it was an enormous.
Speaker 2: I thought you said that it had like you thought
Speaker 2: it was a.
Speaker 5: Young one, younger one could don't what it was god,
Speaker 5: and misjudged it for sure until I got back there.
Speaker 2: Well, it happened so quick. Did you get any definitions
Speaker 2: like face?
Speaker 3: No, I still having dumbling.
Speaker 4: Face.
Speaker 3: Look there you got if I could, I don't know,
Speaker 3: focused a little more.
Speaker 2: Even when you're bellying shot and especially after bunch.
Speaker 3: Through your there was a few of us up there.
Speaker 3: It was its like.
Speaker 2: From what I remember you said the data. When he
Speaker 2: turned around, you said maybe we should leave or something
Speaker 2: like that, and he said go hang on and then uh,
Speaker 2: then he heard another roar and it sounded closer, and that's.
Speaker 4: What he says, Yeah, I think it's time to time
Speaker 4: to go, time to get a tank.
Speaker 3: Funny with that, well, and it was a small role
Speaker 3: compared to the ones that we were here.
Speaker 2: If he hadn't been looking at that what you saw
Speaker 2: with that camera and had that, he probably didn't have
Speaker 2: his camera ready, but he that would have been still extraordinary.
Speaker 2: That would have been great, fantastic, But I couldn't believe
Speaker 2: it was just another barroom story now. You know.
Speaker 4: First of my brain was telling me what is that?
Speaker 4: Is that a bear?
Speaker 2: What?
Speaker 3: But it did this weird jump and then it ran on.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I got it down there, but those branches were listening.
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, you got those pictures, uh Jeremiah of what
Speaker 2: the braks?
Speaker 14: Right?
Speaker 4: Yeah?
Speaker 3: Oh yeah, I got I got it, definitely a few
Speaker 3: of them.
Speaker 2: I wish I had a buzz no fucking whiskeyting.
Speaker 4: Though, see there, what.
Speaker 3: I have your whiskey or nothing?
Speaker 2: That mellows me out?
Speaker 9: Man?
Speaker 2: Because I talked a lot more.
Speaker 3: See, I guess there's pluses and everything.
Speaker 7: I gotta keep remembering, or keep reminding myself to look higher.
Speaker 7: Oh yeah, you know, I'm always looking down to the ground,
Speaker 7: and I'm.
Speaker 2: Forgetting it too. I got it just naturally look down.
Speaker 2: I don't think about these things being so heavy and
Speaker 2: being up in the tree.
Speaker 4: Yeah yeah, I look even for bears and cougars up
Speaker 4: in the dream.
Speaker 3: Oh yeah, m but also for them.
Speaker 4: The cup as much as you look around, that's for sure.
Speaker 2: Yep starts to beating. I can to back neck out another,
Speaker 2: sweet it up a little bit.
Speaker 5: My brother used to can't back me there, Uh quite
Speaker 5: a bit, just we'd work the saddles, go around the road,
Speaker 5: get dropped off way up there, and then we'd walk
Speaker 5: all that through the woolly's back down.
Speaker 2: And look, I wish I had some uh more highlighted,
Speaker 2: big stories, but I don't in it, so I kind
Speaker 2: of gets redundant repeating what happened, you know a few
Speaker 2: years ago. Oh yeah, up, so much brought up.
Speaker 4: Then see this road goes on around a long ways around.
Speaker 3: Called you my GPS isn't even updated anymore, and boom,
Speaker 3: you know.
Speaker 2: These things are phenomenal. I learned so much about him,
Speaker 2: but here things I wanted you to be. He's just
Speaker 2: the Rhode Island. He couldn't make it out this time.
Speaker 2: But he is the second guy I brought it whenever
Speaker 2: growing up just being big party. He's the guy that
Speaker 2: I brought up. He's a big guy, and he interpreted
Speaker 2: anything I was amazed couldn't. But these things put more
Speaker 2: inimitation when I brought him up. In anybody, we we
Speaker 2: gotta be at least a mile away. And then one
Speaker 2: came over, and you know that one didn't bother you
Speaker 2: that he was surprised. I just got big and he
Speaker 2: lected any wind, but it didn't turning back. Uh, I
Speaker 2: would have been going the other way if I hadn't
Speaker 2: been on a good relationship.
Speaker 6: But they knew that far away, that a good ten
Speaker 6: minutes that we were coming, and they knew I was coming.
Speaker 2: I know they knew it, and they knew and they didn't.
Speaker 2: This is why I got to think, and I think
Speaker 2: they even do they methodically or at a level that
Speaker 2: they only knew what they needed to do, and I
Speaker 2: think just I just feel that there's nothing just for
Speaker 2: the theory. But like they knew that it was gonna
Speaker 2: take more intimidation for this guy than the norm.
Speaker 4: I knew that.
Speaker 2: I didn't think it was. I didn't feel like it was.
Speaker 9: Uh.
Speaker 2: Intimidation was towards me, and I grew that because after
Speaker 2: I took from the airport, I was back there the
Speaker 2: next morning and was back to a normal wooman will
Speaker 2: will be playing. So but they knew it was me,
Speaker 2: and they knew I was bringing somebody. They wanted him
Speaker 2: out of there, and they didn't want me bringing anybody
Speaker 2: and want a meal leave me alone, Which maybe that's
Speaker 2: the prob just kind of romantic.
Speaker 3: You brought too many people in there. They don't like it.
Speaker 2: I was the only one invited to the party. It
Speaker 2: makes you feel kind of special. Yeah, did you get Hell?
Speaker 4: Did I know about it? To tell you about it?
Speaker 2: You didn't know about that when I was bringing in
Speaker 2: through that and we ended up being surrounded when.
Speaker 3: I knew about the creators and sounds.
Speaker 6: Oh yeah, you know all that, yeah, and this stuff.
Speaker 2: But I'm talking about that one answers and their level
Speaker 2: of intimidation, and it wasn't directed towards me, and I
Speaker 2: knew it. I don't know how I knew about it,
Speaker 2: felt it. They weren't mad at me, and I proved
Speaker 2: it because it was there the next morning and we
Speaker 2: were chummy chummy again. I thought that that was kind
Speaker 2: of special.
Speaker 5: Yeah.
Speaker 4: I think most doctors call a delusion.
Speaker 2: It's negative and negative.
Speaker 4: I could don't see the positive things, and oh I
Speaker 4: would do.
Speaker 2: It was kind of romantic.
Speaker 3: That's where we had our first two Okay, gotcha.
Speaker 2: We're down in their kitchen.
Speaker 4: Yep, is that swamp starting.
Speaker 2: That's the only rock throwing experience I had with him.
Speaker 9: I was that.
Speaker 3: Yeah, but they were little rocks. I think it was
Speaker 3: a juve.
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, they were being nice and little rock. It
Speaker 2: was light intimidation. It was like, uh, appreciated if you
Speaker 2: don't sleep in our area right here, we kind of
Speaker 2: like it. So they were tilted nice.
Speaker 9: Uh.
Speaker 2: They weren't kissed. They just you know, let us politely.
Speaker 2: You know that they didn't like it's spun. Isn't that
Speaker 2: the way you took that they were being nice? Yeah?
Speaker 3: Uh way, it was juvenile, just having fun.
Speaker 4: I don't know.
Speaker 2: I think they're all together when they started, uh huh,
Speaker 2: but I you know when that we heard that twig
Speaker 2: snap on the swamp side and the shrill whistle. Then uh,
Speaker 2: not too long, just a moment later. What around the
Speaker 2: other side of the day were its more woods and stuff.
Speaker 2: We heard the twigs snap exactly like was recording, and
Speaker 2: this real whistle. It made you look to think that
Speaker 2: there was two. I don't know if or one because
Speaker 2: I have enough time to walk around to the other side.
Speaker 2: But I think I don't know, but I think because
Speaker 2: they play tricks. I uh, they make you think that
Speaker 2: something else rather than what they're really doing.
Speaker 5: You're still in the swamp up in here, get through
Speaker 5: a wet grips and then down below a replace I
Speaker 5: seen him or heard him was up there.
Speaker 3: Huh on the top side the camp that is there?
Speaker 2: Yeah, uh they uh, they're not. They're playing with your mind,
Speaker 2: your head. I I had enough experience to know that
Speaker 2: they can do certain things and make sounds and stuff
Speaker 2: and going. You think they're doing something there and they're
Speaker 2: doing the opposite. They got something in your head and
Speaker 2: they're doing the opposite of what you think they're doing.
Speaker 2: I'm convinced of that. That's how perfect smart.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I was like, I know where we are now
Speaker 4: or here?
Speaker 2: Yeah, they probably already don't hear I can I can
Speaker 2: hear the little one now if they're gonna have.
Speaker 5: The little ones now, I'm just saying, Pa, there used
Speaker 5: to be a nice trail down to you there to
Speaker 5: the main trail.
Speaker 6: Hey, Pa, that fallly you be?
Speaker 4: What's that?
Speaker 11: Uh?
Speaker 3: Is that purple flower?
Speaker 4: Those loopns? I'm not really sure.
Speaker 3: I think they might be. I think I don't know.
Speaker 2: I can hear one of the kids saying, Pa, that
Speaker 2: guy that you've been trying to run out of here
Speaker 2: and threaten to kill heat back.
Speaker 3: Yeah, he said you were a sissy.
Speaker 2: I bet they didn't think us assisty after running us
Speaker 2: out twice and then meet coming back for the first
Speaker 2: time alone. That's what I was crazy, was part of
Speaker 2: the rational, That's what I was used to help with
Speaker 2: my courage. I was thinking they might be cause they
Speaker 2: weren't making the sounds when he came back after Yeah,
Speaker 2: so crazy. I was thinking they might think that I
Speaker 2: am crazy.
Speaker 3: It must be some kind of plus while you're still here.
Speaker 4: I don't know.
Speaker 3: I don't want to push it envelope too far. And
Speaker 3: this was just beautiful right before it burned. It must
Speaker 3: have been amazing.
Speaker 4: In a while since Tien went around and getting other split.
Speaker 2: How come everybody else gets to see one of these
Speaker 2: things except me. I've been closer to her more times
Speaker 2: other than anybody, ain't.
Speaker 3: Oh yeah, you've never had a sighting at Yeah, it's crazy.
Speaker 2: I've been close, really close lots of time.
Speaker 3: Yeah, especially like the ones when you were on that
Speaker 3: one with Darwin and his dad expedition.
Speaker 6: Oh yeah, that was right by my tent. I was
Speaker 6: by myself. They're the main camp was.
Speaker 9: It was.
Speaker 2: A block away or whatever. But I was by myself
Speaker 2: with a half that night, and I was terrified. Yeah,
Speaker 2: that's when one of these things was doing that sound
Speaker 2: to me. Right next to my tent, and I had
Speaker 2: my tent where I make it as secure, to make
Speaker 2: it as secure as possible, and I got it. There
Speaker 2: was a thick brush on one side and then a
Speaker 2: treaty that was bowed up. It was solid and about
Speaker 2: that around this jereman about that thick and it bowed up,
Speaker 2: and I put my tent where my head is, right
Speaker 2: up against that and I got on top of it
Speaker 2: and jumped up and down. I was one hundred and
Speaker 2: sixty five pounce and I couldn't budget. So something was
Speaker 2: stocking me. I figured maybe a bear. The third night
Speaker 2: it came in. I know where it came in from
Speaker 2: because there was an animal traill that came r and
Speaker 2: then came right back to the back to my tent.
Speaker 2: During the middle of the night, about one o'clock, I
Speaker 2: heard that thing, that thing being pushed down right behind
Speaker 2: my head.
Speaker 4: It's crazy, dude.
Speaker 2: And then it was like, uh, didn't want any sounds,
Speaker 2: so I heard it like releasing a going back up,
Speaker 2: and then it was just.
Speaker 7: That's the sorry, that's the break we saw last year, Dwayne,
Speaker 7: where it's like, yes, sir, there's the one on the
Speaker 7: left and the one on the right.
Speaker 3: I remember that one, dude, And just.
Speaker 2: A moment later after the release, like that thing was
Speaker 2: going back up and right next to my tent. Well, well, well, well.
Speaker 4: We're gonna do that up period.
Speaker 2: I want to do it.
Speaker 3: Fifteen minutes if that works.
Speaker 2: Still hoped they didn't hear me.
Speaker 4: Oh oh you put it run from me in big.
Speaker 2: Well, I'm gonna be running.
Speaker 8: You won't be able to get He's twelve nineteen, so
Speaker 8: twelve thirty four.
Speaker 4: Last thing you did, I had a fear in my life.
Speaker 2: I was thing was further away.
Speaker 3: Yeah, dude, last time.
Speaker 2: I didn't think they heard me either.
Speaker 3: Because it's like the meadow is right there.
Speaker 4: Well, man, that pissed him up bad. The last time?
Speaker 4: Have you were trying to get us killed? That's the
Speaker 4: time wasn't on the way up here. I've been debating
Speaker 4: on doing that again. Well he did it again.
Speaker 2: Well that's a second time.
Speaker 3: It's probably the engine was too loud.
Speaker 2: Probably no, I don't Yeah, I'll probably hope. That's the
Speaker 2: second time I've been stupid, only twice.
Speaker 3: Rock and roll.
Speaker 2: I need to drink now drinks up here, dude. I
Speaker 2: should have got some whiskers, No drinks. I needed to rely.
Speaker 2: Relax me.
Speaker 4: I'm getting and it gave me flashbacks.
Speaker 2: Yeah, me too. It's stupid. I'm gonna try. I learned
Speaker 2: from you to turn that car aways around the same case.
Speaker 2: We got to get out Fla.
Speaker 4: Guys.
Speaker 3: I have dreamed about this place when I went home.
Speaker 3: I'm not even kidding.
Speaker 7: It gets weird, like I was having dreams about this
Speaker 7: place for months. It's very vivid, weird, weird stuff.
Speaker 4: This is a hot area.
Speaker 3: It's strange up here, man.
Speaker 2: I spent three months straight here. Yeah, entertaining them right here.
Speaker 4: You go weird, don't how once you walk back in
Speaker 4: your house.
Speaker 3: I mean, they don't look so big till your back there,
Speaker 3: and then it's like way up tall.
Speaker 2: Yeah, m hmm.
Speaker 4: I hope you.
Speaker 12: Didn't like.
Speaker 4: I hope you didn't hear.
Speaker 3: I really hope so, dude, that they didn't.
Speaker 4: That's the last time you did it.
Speaker 3: I gotta care about it.
Speaker 12: We're to put a bacon and everything. H hm. We
Speaker 12: put a container with bacon up there, and I can't
Speaker 12: see what it went.
Speaker 10: What kind of container, I don't know.
Speaker 8: There's something hanging from the tree on the other side.
Speaker 12: That might be the sticky tape yep.
Speaker 8: It wasn't a plastic bucket.
Speaker 10: Was it something like that one that went up there?
Speaker 3: Cause there was a plastic bucket over there. That's not it?
Speaker 8: Okay, what got you?
Speaker 16: Just small that a f.
Speaker 10: G apples in the manors? You all go on with
Speaker 10: whatever they go.
Speaker 12: When we did that.
Speaker 10: Double sticky taste up here?
Speaker 12: Okay, no hair on it? Where did you play by
Speaker 12: the head up in there?
Speaker 16: That's all going MNYA, we'll get sticky tape. That's a
Speaker 16: Scott Carpenter got say, Oh, I know sick put here?
Speaker 12: Yep, h.
Speaker 4: A lot more of that. What's this over here?
Speaker 8: There's something over here? Is that like a shirt or something?
Speaker 4: Over here?
Speaker 8: Oh, there's like a is that the bacon right there
Speaker 8: that looks like a bacon container?
Speaker 4: Yeah?
Speaker 8: So it was originally right there. So let's look around
Speaker 8: this area real carefully. You kind of maybe see like
Speaker 8: a trail right there. Now, I would say, I would
Speaker 8: say that that almost looks like there's some kind of
Speaker 8: like bite marks. I don't know what you think, but
Speaker 8: it definitely wasn't like easily opened because it's like not
Speaker 8: broken apart.
Speaker 10: Right, Yeah, it's broken fun you get into it.
Speaker 8: So it was hanging an art bag from.
Speaker 12: Well, we like our bacon.
Speaker 8: Yeah something does I have to.
Speaker 12: Make my sticky tape better?
Speaker 10: We wouldn't take that word. Yeah, a good find. How
Speaker 10: far away was it from?
Speaker 12: Three?
Speaker 3: Here's there's one more pieaser here?
Speaker 10: Okay, this is what we had.
Speaker 12: The bacon in.
Speaker 8: Oh, so we found it in the ground over here.
Speaker 4: The bear got it.
Speaker 16: It was laid upon it.
Speaker 5: A bear could have Yeah, it's broken, so I would
Speaker 5: say probably a bear because we were stuck out with
Speaker 5: that tastry thing.
Speaker 4: It was open, but of course I don't know. It's
Speaker 4: it could be a tooth mark right there.
Speaker 3: I don't know either, but you think there'd be more
Speaker 3: teeth marks. Is there anything in the bag?
Speaker 10: Where's that tore up?
Speaker 4: Oh?
Speaker 12: Yeah?
Speaker 4: Yeah, so I didn't take hands to do that.
Speaker 12: Yeah.
Speaker 4: I try to warn him about feeding the bear. Make
Speaker 4: it dangerous to keep coming up here some day?
Speaker 8: I know, right potentially?
Speaker 3: Oh yeah, that other meadow is right there. I want
Speaker 3: to see that meadow real quick.
Speaker 11: Set righting, Uma, All the whoopling was coming from back
Speaker 11: in there, really and oh wow, now the fires came in.
Speaker 2: I was coming back in there, nothing happening, and I
Speaker 2: was thinking maybe they left or whatever. I didn't know
Speaker 2: if it was going to come back. I came in
Speaker 2: on my birthday it happened to be my birthday, and
Speaker 2: back in there, and I know that's where they were
Speaker 2: in that metal. Back in there. Hundreds of tracks they
Speaker 2: left them, and I've never heard of that. I've never
Speaker 2: heard of them doing that. I mean a hundred feet
Speaker 2: that way and a hundred feet that way. There was
Speaker 2: all over everywhere. The big the gal I believe his
Speaker 2: old lady fifteen in his tracks, the twelve it tracks,
Speaker 2: the younger ones, and then the big guy. He's the
Speaker 2: only one, the twenty three inch. He's the only one
Speaker 2: that left the tol impressions on the trucks. I guess
Speaker 2: because of his weight, right. But they were all over everywhere,
Speaker 2: and it was on my birthday. I'm just telling them
Speaker 2: to wage. I think they were celebrating and they were
Speaker 2: happy I was back. Give me a sign.
Speaker 12: Yeah, I know it's weird back, but I'm just weird.
Speaker 2: Oh, I know that's where they were everything for the
Speaker 2: three months. They were back in the same spot.
Speaker 8: So I thought whenever you were telling me that before
Speaker 8: that it was over there, but actually back there.
Speaker 2: Yeah, every time I played here from back in there,
Speaker 2: whoop whoop woo. Man, it's so close to really you know, uh,
Speaker 2: the first time I was kicking to them, Uh, I
Speaker 2: don't feel all back. I got the three signs from
Speaker 2: near by myself.
Speaker 12: Yep.
Speaker 2: And when I was out here and I know they're ticked,
Speaker 2: but I just after I lost communication, I was over there,
Speaker 2: I played. I was here for an hour, playing by
Speaker 2: myself and nothing happening, dead quiet. I thought, I'm gonna
Speaker 2: sit here all day if they're not even gonna respond
Speaker 2: to let me know they're here. And it s like,
Speaker 2: I think the first time I've talked about and I
Speaker 2: uh so I said over over there, I said, if
Speaker 2: you here, let me know. And as soon as I
Speaker 2: said that, immediately there's a twig snap behind me there
Speaker 2: and then over out in here sounded like it was
Speaker 2: in here, big branch.
Speaker 4: Oh wow.
Speaker 2: As soon as I said that really here, Yeah, that's wild. Yeah,
Speaker 2: so I realized I should have been talking.
Speaker 12: A long time ago. Yeah really, oh yeah, this day
Speaker 12: very week.
Speaker 7: Where's the plastic bucket from which? Why is that classic
Speaker 7: bucket from one of the yeah showed up doing it? Okay,
Speaker 7: because this looks like it has big shoe marks in it.
Speaker 4: Dude, my bucket, Yeah.
Speaker 3: Something's been chewing on that.
Speaker 2: One of my bench. Yeah, but that I don't know.
Speaker 4: Of course, he said it was the bearing.
Speaker 12: I've never it's been here since swevelhen be here. I
Speaker 12: never looked at it. I think you got to take
Speaker 12: the trucks out, you know.
Speaker 5: And well, one time after we come out of here,
Speaker 5: some strangers stuffed and him about even being up here
Speaker 5: and messing around here. I don't know who they were,
Speaker 5: That's what he was telling me, that somebody said be
Speaker 5: going up there?
Speaker 4: Did anyway.
Speaker 14: He was, we ran across to Now it's a little
Speaker 14: hostile at first, and you started talking with him a
Speaker 14: little bit and when he's the Marines, so think so
Speaker 14: calm down.
Speaker 12: He uh has game?
Speaker 10: Can't what they said?
Speaker 5: Well, probably because we know that they're trying to get
Speaker 5: pictures of doubt m they know they're here. There are
Speaker 5: a lot of people know they're up here.
Speaker 12: And I started asking if.
Speaker 14: You found something picture had something uh unusual in these
Speaker 14: pictures and I didn't.
Speaker 12: He said, look for deer now hunt. I said, okay,
Speaker 12: that's a good excuse.
Speaker 4: It's possible, but not usual.
Speaker 5: Now, how hardly ever see hunters up there, and the
Speaker 5: ones they do are usually on a four wheel or
Speaker 5: just driving the race because it's steep mountain on both
Speaker 5: sides and hard to get met out. I was my
Speaker 5: friends wouldn't hunt with me than my brother, because uh,
Speaker 5: I would carry my meeat out of these steep hills
Speaker 5: are m and the hears like carrying the meat out.
Speaker 5: And of course I shook some pretty nice bucks, you know,
Speaker 5: I guess some two hundred and fifty pounds bench ly
Speaker 5: up here.
Speaker 4: I'm incredible bucks.
Speaker 10: Many What black tail you mean?
Speaker 12: Yeah?
Speaker 5: Black tail mule deer across Oh okay, I called them
Speaker 5: bench like. So they have like the the body of
Speaker 5: the mule deer, but shorter legs, kind of like the
Speaker 5: you know, black tail and mom. But they still add
Speaker 5: more of a black tail flavor, probably because they eat
Speaker 5: everything here.
Speaker 17: I'm gonna walk down see that trail. Al right, it
Speaker 17: does sound like some trail you're already going about. How
Speaker 17: about partner, I had a little further than the thought
Speaker 17: about it. It's a little ways but not not too
Speaker 17: offul Partners.
Speaker 4: Is their root.
Speaker 3: I think that's their bad and I think down there
Speaker 3: the swamp is like one of their kitchen areas paying
Speaker 3: whatever else along the world.
Speaker 4: We come right through year a lot.
Speaker 8: Well that and you have the trail right over there,
Speaker 8: so they have a trailer to connect to, you know, and.
Speaker 5: Then there's a trail to connect down there and one
Speaker 5: up here. That's that'll be fun.
Speaker 4: Yeah.
Speaker 8: It looks like the masvas, right, it looks like dried
Speaker 8: out masvas.
Speaker 4: Yeah, that's all these trees dying some good fire. Lat h.
Speaker 3: If I ever decide it, screw with you be vack
Speaker 3: in there.
Speaker 2: That's where that going three inch track works.
Speaker 4: Vacuum there in the.
Speaker 8: Soft Are those like raspberries or something?
Speaker 3: Or is there more like a.
Speaker 4: BlackBerry congra?
Speaker 9: Yeah?
Speaker 4: Gotcha? Did you have wild raspberries operated in?
Speaker 10: Uh huh?
Speaker 4: When you you deep ups see when you turn Oh yep,
Speaker 4: you won.
Speaker 5: Yet you can eat those also when they turn the
Speaker 5: red wing?
Speaker 10: Oh really?
Speaker 2: Yeah?
Speaker 3: Are the huckleberries in season yet or not?
Speaker 4: Yeah? Yeah, a couple had uh green waters part Uh huh.
Speaker 3: There's gotta be some out somewhere.
Speaker 2: Play that makes me all.
Speaker 4: Remember that night m A was that you're going when
Speaker 4: up go ho for beer?
Speaker 8: Pretty sure it's right there, Yeah, because that's the trail.
Speaker 4: Yeah, that's it. Last time we were here, it looked.
Speaker 12: Like, yep, some tracks.
Speaker 8: Yeah that was wild and you knew oh yeah, so
Speaker 8: this is the same one.
Speaker 4: Okay, oh yeah, we knew.
Speaker 3: Wepe but it looked like it was a couple of tracks,
Speaker 3: but one right there and then one right in there.
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