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<v Speaker 1>Ted nine weather forecast. Winter Weather Advisory begins at eleven AM.

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<v Speaker 2>talk station, Hey.

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<v Speaker 1>Thirty fifty five KRCD Talk Station, Happy Friday. Not a

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<v Speaker 1>happy subject matter, but a happy outcome for the children

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<v Speaker 1>in the state of Behind on a going forward basis.

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<v Speaker 1>Governor Mike Dwineseina bill into law this week making it

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<v Speaker 1>a crime for predators to groom a child for sexual

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<v Speaker 1>abuse using a pattern of behavior. A woman responsible a

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<v Speaker 1>large part Ohioans for Child Protections. Rebecca Serendorff is on

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<v Speaker 1>the phone to talk about her journey to get this

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<v Speaker 1>bill enacted. Rebecca, initially, let me thank you on behalf

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<v Speaker 1>of myself personally and my listening audience and every parent

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<v Speaker 1>of a young child out there for getting this pass.

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<v Speaker 1>And over the finish line, what I'm reading about this,

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<v Speaker 1>this father Cutcher, for example, is just absolutely horrific and disgusting.

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<v Speaker 1>Welcome to the fifty five or Morning Show, Rebecca.

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<v Speaker 3>Good morning, and thank you so much.

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<v Speaker 4>Really, this was such a collaborative effort from moms and

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<v Speaker 4>dads and grandparents picking up the phone and calling lawmakers

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<v Speaker 4>to our bill sponsors, Bill Sites and Cindy Abrams and

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<v Speaker 4>great committee heads like Manning and Hillier, that helped usher

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<v Speaker 4>this through. We had floor speeches from both sides the

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<v Speaker 4>aisle and support and it went through unanimously in the

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<v Speaker 4>Senate and.

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<v Speaker 3>All but one vote in the House.

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<v Speaker 4>So this really took a village and hopefully we'll be

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<v Speaker 4>able to collaborate again because there's way too much sex

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<v Speaker 4>abuse in our state.

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<v Speaker 1>Well, it really is, and you know, the job is

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<v Speaker 1>not over. As I'm I'm looking at the reporting from

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<v Speaker 1>wcpo's Paula Christian who was following this story, Ohio is

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<v Speaker 1>the sixth that's six, number six in the nation to

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<v Speaker 1>criminalize child grooming for sex. I find that impossible to believe. Rebecca.

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<v Speaker 1>I do you have any concept as how or why

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<v Speaker 1>that might be? Because we've had the Internet and you know,

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<v Speaker 1>social media and the like, which makes it so easy

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<v Speaker 1>for perverts to reach out to children, people pretend to

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<v Speaker 1>be young people and make friends online. We've heard story

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<v Speaker 1>after story after story, and it has been going on

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<v Speaker 1>for years. How is it that more states haven't done

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<v Speaker 1>something about this?

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<v Speaker 4>Well, I think in part, it's a few factors, right.

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<v Speaker 4>I think in our imaginations, a lot of us were

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<v Speaker 4>raised with the concept of stranger danger, right, But the

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<v Speaker 4>facts of child sex abuse is most children know their offender,

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<v Speaker 4>and many families know them and trust them. When you

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<v Speaker 4>look at online abuse right now, University of New Hampshire

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<v Speaker 4>estimates that about one in six kids in our country

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<v Speaker 4>are being exploited online and over sixty percent of those

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<v Speaker 4>offenders online already know your child and their offline life.

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<v Speaker 4>Many times they're presenting themselves as somebody else in peerage, right,

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<v Speaker 4>And so, first of all, there's a lot of misconceptions

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<v Speaker 4>about that how this works.

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<v Speaker 2>Right.

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<v Speaker 3>We also as.

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<v Speaker 4>Parents believe that because we sat down and talked to

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<v Speaker 4>our kids about these things such a stranger danger or

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<v Speaker 4>that people shouldn't touch you into certain places, that your child.

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<v Speaker 3>Will come home and tell you about the assault.

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<v Speaker 4>And the sad reality is that delayed disclosure is a

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<v Speaker 4>real problem for a child after they've been assaulted. Many

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<v Speaker 4>offenders will threaten a child, They manipulate them in ways

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<v Speaker 4>to make the child feel as if they're wrongly complicit

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<v Speaker 4>in this abuse. They'll threaten to harm another sibling if

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<v Speaker 4>they disclose, and also PTSD and trauma. Usually a child

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<v Speaker 4>can be disassociating. There's a lot happening in the aftermath

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<v Speaker 4>of assault, and your child may not come home and

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<v Speaker 4>tell you, and sometimes just fear will you believe them

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<v Speaker 4>is a problem. So it's that we have programs like

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<v Speaker 4>Aaron'swall that was just passed two years ago, but sadly

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<v Speaker 4>all the religious schools in our state were carved out

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<v Speaker 4>of that, so we're not equally protecting the kids.

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<v Speaker 3>It's only the public school kids with.

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<v Speaker 4>Aaron's Law training, and that's age appropriate body safety training.

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<v Speaker 4>And many people will tell you that after a large

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<v Speaker 4>school has that training, they have a few children step

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<v Speaker 4>forward at the end of it because this is trained

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<v Speaker 4>professionals that know how to phrase things in the right

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<v Speaker 4>way for the age of a child.

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<v Speaker 3>And their understanding.

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<v Speaker 4>And it just gets to a different level because many

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<v Speaker 4>times you have to describe a behavior, like a forensic nurse,

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<v Speaker 4>for example, is not going to ask someone have you

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<v Speaker 4>been ranked? They will maybe describe the circumstances. That is

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<v Speaker 4>because even labeling what an assault is is its own

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<v Speaker 4>process for any age victim, right, So getting evidence based

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<v Speaker 4>approaches is so key, and that's why we've been calling

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<v Speaker 4>for Sexual Violence Caucus up at the state House. We

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<v Speaker 4>would like to get all the minds to the table,

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<v Speaker 4>from lawmakers to forensic nurses, to the good folks at

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<v Speaker 4>Ohio Liancedend Sexual Violence, the Council and child Abuse. There's

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<v Speaker 4>so many great organizations in our state and law enforcement,

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<v Speaker 4>the prosecutors. Get these people to the table, and let's

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<v Speaker 4>start taking a comprehensive approach to updating our laws, because

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<v Speaker 4>predators are always updating what they're doing and how they're

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<v Speaker 4>exploiting our children, and the legislative process can take a

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<v Speaker 3>This bill took five years to get to the finish line.

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<v Speaker 4>Yes, I think of all the children that were exploited

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<v Speaker 4>in that time. Status the Girls Report says one in

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<v Speaker 4>twelve months.

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<v Speaker 3>When they did a climate survey of our young.

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<v Speaker 1>God, one in five.

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<v Speaker 4>One in five, we're above the national average. Can you

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<v Speaker 4>imagine if one in five cars were stolen this year?

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<v Speaker 1>Ah, they d be screaming, bloody nightmare. All let's ill

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<v Speaker 1>tell you what. We're not done with this conversation, Rebecca.

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<v Speaker 1>I want to hold you over and talk a little

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<v Speaker 1>bit more about it. I'm also curious to know about

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<v Speaker 1>the lone no vote. But I want you to enlighten

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<v Speaker 1>my listeners as to how this will work, and how

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<v Speaker 1>this this grooming process and how far it has to

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<v Speaker 1>go before they might find themselves subject to criminal liability

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<v Speaker 1>under this new law. Will continue with and thank God

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<v Speaker 1>for her, Rebecca Cerndorf after these brief words.

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<v Speaker 1>A thirty nine coming right eighty forty fifty five kerc

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<v Speaker 1>people from molesters and would be child rapist Rebecca Cerndorf

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<v Speaker 1>on the program High Winds for Child Protection. It's easy

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<v Speaker 1>just search Ohilands for Child Protection to take your right

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<v Speaker 1>to the web page. And congratulations on getting Mike Dwayne

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<v Speaker 1>to sign this. It only took five years to get

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<v Speaker 1>the bill that criminalizes grooming. And you mentioned it was

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<v Speaker 1>unanimous with the exception of one House vote. Can I

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<v Speaker 4>We'd never circled back with the lawmaker. But I would

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<v Speaker 4>imagine that maybe they just wanted to just register that

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<v Speaker 4>like a pause there of like let's.

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<v Speaker 3>Make sure it's narrow enough.

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<v Speaker 4>And that's a good thing to have, is whenever you're

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<v Speaker 4>looking to criminalize something, particularly when you're going to have

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<v Speaker 4>a new crime in your state, you want to make

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<v Speaker 4>that is not our intention in any way. And after

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<v Speaker 4>further vetting of this bill, everyone became much more comfortable

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<v Speaker 4>with it. And it's great that that's how this process.

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<v Speaker 3>Works in committee.

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<v Speaker 4>And and basically this is constructed to kind of mirror

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<v Speaker 4>other parts of Ohio Revised Code, like pattern of behavior

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<v Speaker 4>in grooming mimics that in stalking and stalking itself. Individual

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<v Speaker 4>behaviors in stalking can be relatively innocent, right, Like if

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<v Speaker 4>someone going past your house this morning, completely innocent behavior,

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<v Speaker 4>isn't it. But if they came past your house eighty

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<v Speaker 3>The one week, combined with like they show at your.

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<v Speaker 5>Job site, Yeah right, I mean we all know the

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<v Speaker 5>difference between like innocent behavior, creepy behavior, and clearly there's

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<v Speaker 5>more to this threatening behavior right right, And then that

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<v Speaker 5>ties into this reasonable adult standard which.

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<v Speaker 3>Is all over us laws.

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<v Speaker 4>Is this notion of would any reasonable adults see that

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<v Speaker 4>the purpose and purpose is also another keyword when it

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<v Speaker 4>comes toime writing laws. It is a higher standard than

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<v Speaker 4>for example, recklessness, right exactly, so does a reasonable adult

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<v Speaker 4>see that this was for the purpose of sex abuse?

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<v Speaker 4>And then the teering mirrors also are sexual battery laws.

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<v Speaker 4>So if this is someone in a position of authority

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<v Speaker 4>a different tier for that. It also tiars it for

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<v Speaker 3>So this starts out as a mistamean and it becomes

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<v Speaker 3>a felony.

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<v Speaker 4>Based off of if you have priors for sex offenses

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<v Speaker 4>as well, because we were still leaving the door open

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<v Speaker 3>If they don't have that.

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<v Speaker 4>Special relationship as a position of authority over the minor

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<v Speaker 4>and that, But we wanted something that's going to come

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<v Speaker 4>up on a background check, right, all these youth serving

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<v Speaker 4>lords with background checks, If they can't see that you

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<v Speaker 1>Fair enough? And I you know, as I sit here,

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<v Speaker 1>part of this reasonable standard I suppose is under what circumstances.

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<v Speaker 1>we already kids got cell phones. Anyway, The only reason

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<v Speaker 1>track down my son. But that would be an innocuous

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<v Speaker 1>of thing. It's a fair question to ask one of

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<v Speaker 1>beyond that, why would any grown adult have reason to

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<v Speaker 1>regularly communicate with a minor along these lines when they're

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<v Speaker 1>not you know, a parental figure or someone that has

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<v Speaker 4>Right, Well, there are forty two grooming behaviors that were

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<v Speaker 4>found in some research by Winters in jeglists out of

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<v Speaker 3>If I recall, and basically the.

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<v Speaker 4>More these behaviors you see, the more that this is

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<v Speaker 4>basically researched what was normal mentor behavior with people had

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<v Speaker 4>whole series of red flag behaviors that you're in a

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<v Speaker 4>high risk situation if you were seeing this, and some

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<v Speaker 4>San Dusty case, creating circumstances to be showering with the youth,

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<v Speaker 4>right that you were creating circumstances for nudity, like encouraging

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<v Speaker 4>in some of the investigative reports have been done on

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<v Speaker 4>historic church abuse as well. Also adults that are texting minors.

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<v Speaker 3>About sex acts. But it is clearly not in the

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<v Speaker 3>spirit of sex ed.

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<v Speaker 4>We all know what that really looks like in life, right,

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<v Speaker 4>it's usually your health teacher or the parent custodian of

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<v Speaker 4>thoughtful resources, particularly in a classroom setting. I mean, we

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<v Speaker 4>health books, right, and this instead, like if you look

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<v Speaker 3>Oh, I know on the region because it's better regulated.

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<v Speaker 1>Right, Yes, I'm reading some of it right now. This

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<v Speaker 1>And I again, I'm trying to envision the circumstances why

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<v Speaker 1>any adult would need to engage in any type of

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<v Speaker 1>long back and forth regularly occurring discussion with someone of

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<v Speaker 1>old or I don't know, but for this this minister

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<v Speaker 1>to be we have a regularly engaged This is not

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<v Speaker 1>providing counseling or ministry. This isn't you know, coming into

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<v Speaker 4>And I think as parents and concerned adults, I would

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<v Speaker 4>see this as that when you're seeing things that are

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<v Speaker 4>Right, First of all, like start monitoring the situation. Better,

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<v Speaker 4>consider this like a yellow light situation here, and.

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<v Speaker 3>If this is happening at a school, you may.

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<v Speaker 4>Want to start documenting the concerns or co child protective services.

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<v Speaker 3>This is one of the things we hope.

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<v Speaker 4>Will come of this is that now when you're reporting

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<v Speaker 4>grooming behavior, you are now reporting a crime potentially, right.

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<v Speaker 3>And in the past this wasn't quite categorized.

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<v Speaker 4>As anything because it's very rare for someone to witness

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<v Speaker 4>the sexual assault, and these things happen behind closed doors.

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<v Speaker 4>The grooming is the smoke and there's usually a fire, right,

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<v Speaker 4>But the responsible adults see the grooming behavior and sometimes

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<v Speaker 4>because these are young children, were miss seeing the larger

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<v Speaker 4>context here. Like in the father Jeff Drew case, we

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<v Speaker 4>saw reports from boys in three different counting over the

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<v Speaker 4>course of multiple decades from the eighties right up until

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<v Speaker 4>a few years before his arrest, that they were reporting

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<v Speaker 4>they didn't like the hugs from behind. The hugs from behind. Well,

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<v Speaker 4>these are young children. They knew they didn't like the

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<v Speaker 4>hugs from behind. But it wasn't until I heard the

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<v Speaker 4>victim impact statement two years after Drew's arrest when he

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<v Speaker 4>adult man that Drew was aroused and rubbing himself on

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<v Speaker 4>that that's already a.

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<v Speaker 3>Crime in Ohio.

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<v Speaker 4>Right, But this gets back to vocabulary and the young mind.

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<v Speaker 1>Right.

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<v Speaker 4>The child isn't the vocabulary for it. It'd be very

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<v Speaker 4>difficult to train them to understand that moment better. Yes,

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<v Speaker 4>but take into account the alarm.

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<v Speaker 3>That your child has.

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<v Speaker 1>Right.

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<v Speaker 4>Your child isn't coming home to report a hug that

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<v Speaker 4>felt good. They're coming home because their body was telling

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<v Speaker 4>them that they were in danger. And if anything, tell

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<v Speaker 4>your child to trust themselves and their instincts. If someone's

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<v Speaker 4>making them feel sick to their stomach, they should tell.

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<v Speaker 3>You about it.

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<v Speaker 4>And they don't have to unpack it for you today,

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<v Speaker 4>but they're allowed to proceed with caution. And I think

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<v Speaker 4>it's also good for children to have a safe word.

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<v Speaker 4>One of the the great moms that we spoke to

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<v Speaker 4>that's retired from working with exploited children, she said, it's

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<v Speaker 4>great for your child to have something that they can

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<v Speaker 4>text you or say to you. I think they're quite verifiable,

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<v Speaker 4>but lets you know that they don't feel safe in

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<v Speaker 1>Or uncle your child's hanging out it Uncle Jim's down

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<v Speaker 1>the street too regularly that I mean, like that that

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<v Speaker 1>kind of thing. Red flag. Wait, why is a grown person?

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<v Speaker 1>Why is a grown man spending so much time with

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<v Speaker 1>my minor child? You know, outside of the regular confines

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<v Speaker 1>of the norm. Like again, going to church and seeing

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<v Speaker 1>the priest, that's one thing, But if the priest is

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<v Speaker 1>inviting your child over to his house, that's a completely

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<v Speaker 1>different thing right there.

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<v Speaker 4>And I think this happens gradually, right like, these things

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<v Speaker 4>start off looking innocent and then they take a dark turn,

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<v Speaker 4>and it's important to just kind of reframe it.

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<v Speaker 3>Think of the other.

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<v Speaker 4>Trusted adults in your life, your child's life, and then

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<v Speaker 4>just take these behaviors, plug in different names, and if

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<v Speaker 4>it sounds bizarre, you need to rethink.

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<v Speaker 3>Is this perceived with a ton of caution?

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<v Speaker 4>Or are we picking up the phone and calling child

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<v Speaker 4>Protective Services about it or the police?

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<v Speaker 3>And by all.

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<v Speaker 4>Means, watch your child's social media used.

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<v Speaker 3>I can't tell you, oh snaptat coming up.

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<v Speaker 1>But also you hit upon one of them pet peeves

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<v Speaker 1>right there. We have so much capability to control our

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<v Speaker 1>children's interactions online. You have special software you can put

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<v Speaker 1>on You can monitor your child's online behavior remotely, but

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<v Speaker 1>just by installing the appropriate app. I don't know why

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<v Speaker 1>more adults just don't do that as a default mechanism. Period.

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<v Speaker 1>End of story, Rebecca. All I can tell you is

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<v Speaker 1>thank you very much, and I'm just imagining down the

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<v Speaker 1>road all of the children you have saved from the

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<v Speaker 1>next step after the initiation of this grooming process. Lord Almighty,

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<v Speaker 1>Rebecca ser.

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<v Speaker 4>Has one hundred and fifty victims. So if we can

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<v Speaker 4>stop them early in their offending timeline, we can save

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<v Speaker 4>thousands of kids.

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<v Speaker 1>Thousands from a lifetime of psychological harm. Let us not

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<v Speaker 1>ignore that reality. Rebecca. Thanks again on behalf of everybody

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<v Speaker 1>in the state of Ohio and all the other states

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<v Speaker 1>out there get on board to have a wonderful weekend, Rebecca,

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<v Speaker 1>and thanks again for your work. It's eight fifty two

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