Speaker 1: Welcome to the Marvel Alliance Podcast, recover anything at everything
Speaker 1: to do with the Marvel Universe from the comics, TV
Speaker 1: and movies. We go from verse six one six at
Speaker 1: the Mojo verse of the TVA in order to bring
Speaker 1: the Marvel use right to you. I'm the Man without
Speaker 1: Fear Chris.
Speaker 2: I'm the note with the mouth.
Speaker 3: David, I'm your friendly neighborhood brute.
Speaker 4: I'm the podcast or mischief tres Now.
Speaker 1: And for the three hundredth time, Alliance assemble.
Speaker 4: The four persons.
Speaker 1: Just a smooth, buttery smooth as every single week, especially
Speaker 1: when I love it when like I say, and then
Speaker 1: like five seconds later, David chimes in, LA, you just.
Speaker 3: Need a sound. You need to just like a stream
Speaker 3: deck sound or whatever you get.
Speaker 1: Well, Welcome to the three hundredth episode of Marvel Line,
Speaker 1: the little show that started during the middle of pandemic,
Speaker 1: and here we are, three hundred episode. We made it.
Speaker 1: We made it, gentlemen.
Speaker 4: That's why we're always running out of evergreen topics to
Speaker 4: give the show because me through in the first year,
Speaker 4: I think.
Speaker 1: Don't even talk to me about the strikes.
Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, it was rough too, strikes, but yeah.
Speaker 1: It was pretty bad. It was pretty It started getting
Speaker 1: pretty bad when Travis started pointing out, No, you've done
Speaker 1: that topic before.
Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, I remember you pitched. I was like, that
Speaker 4: sounds early familiar, and I looked in the spreaker. I
Speaker 4: was like, oh, yeah, we we've been done that. Yeah.
Speaker 4: So that's how many episodes have been done that we've
Speaker 4: kind of gone around the band and uh, yeah, it's
Speaker 4: crazy to be episode three hundred and this is the
Speaker 4: first time. I feel like, this is the first time
Speaker 4: US four podcasts and age because I feel like there's
Speaker 4: the live streams, but that was either when Brent was
Speaker 4: gone or Brent was here, and then Dave wasn't here.
Speaker 4: And now now somehow I see David more than you two.
Speaker 4: I see it twice three times a month. How that
Speaker 4: somehow it starts me and Chris hosting marl lliance, the
Speaker 4: Brent coming on, and then that's me and David, and
Speaker 4: now me and David have a wrestling show on the
Speaker 4: side over there, and now we goout that going on.
Speaker 4: But no, this is very cool. We could get everyone
Speaker 4: together for this and then I celebrate the three hundred episodes.
Speaker 1: So yeah, but as we talked about, you can make comments,
Speaker 1: but we will not be responding because we've recorded this
Speaker 1: a week ago, guys, and we're coming to you from
Speaker 1: the past and the future. So but yeah, this is
Speaker 1: the way we got everyone together for schedules aligning. So
Speaker 1: this was well worth it to do an early recording
Speaker 1: of this to make sure we made this happen, to
Speaker 1: do something special for everyone for three hundred and to
Speaker 1: thank you the listeners, the viewers, you know, for for
Speaker 1: making this show. You know, like I said, the little
Speaker 1: engine that could, and you know, giving us different avenues
Speaker 1: for all of us in different ways. The shows, as
Speaker 1: I say, before us changed my life changed, I know,
Speaker 1: in different ways y'all's lives, but created the most important thing,
Speaker 1: you know, a little heart more friendship exactly.
Speaker 4: Yeah, you know, and you know I used to say
Speaker 4: this all a ton to bug people on g A.
Speaker 4: But also the you know, the flagship of GUA just
Speaker 4: keeps the engine and keeps the engine run.
Speaker 3: Keep you know.
Speaker 4: It's a good it's a good competition because I remember
Speaker 4: the early days DC was kicking our butt. They not
Speaker 4: kicking our butt, but they definitely were. They had a
Speaker 4: lot more news going on stuff. So it was great
Speaker 4: when me and Chris took over and then uh, yeah, no,
Speaker 4: it's it's a show I miss all the time. I
Speaker 4: one day hope that the c's part and I can
Speaker 4: be back in a regular bi weekly thing because it's
Speaker 4: always fun time. It's great talking to these gentlemen because
Speaker 4: they'll know what I'm talking about and I don't got
Speaker 4: to explain it fifty times, like okay, now this is
Speaker 4: and it's at least a com book run like okay,
Speaker 4: explain this for me. It's like okay, here we go.
Speaker 4: But uh, you know, I missed doing the show, but
Speaker 4: it's been great. It was yeah, me and Chris like
Speaker 4: and that was a good way for me and Chris
Speaker 4: to get to know each other because we had to
Speaker 4: figure out the show. And then that's how I met
Speaker 4: Brent and met you know, Scott and everything like that too.
Speaker 4: But and then Brent, luckily, when I couldn't do it,
Speaker 4: took over and you guys just ran with the show,
Speaker 4: maybe even bigger. And then after that David took over.
Speaker 4: Who's David's done a great job. Went from you know,
Speaker 4: guesting to now hosting Model Alliance and like I say,
Speaker 4: you're over there, geekers. So it's been a fun trajectory,
Speaker 4: but a big shout out to the main man, Chris,
Speaker 4: because it's like Law and Order, where if you look
Speaker 4: at every five seasons, it's like one guy and then
Speaker 4: there's a new actor. Chris is the one guy. He
Speaker 4: is the glue that's always holding the You are.
Speaker 1: Olivia Benson.
Speaker 4: I mean there's divorced or you know what, like somebody
Speaker 4: what's up, rookie?
Speaker 1: You know, a lot worse comparisons to be compared to
Speaker 1: mriska hardy I would say that.
Speaker 4: But yeah, a shout out to a zoo, I think
Speaker 4: from all of us, but for the listeners, just know
Speaker 4: that Chris is uh. He's kept the ship going and
Speaker 4: he's kept it steering, and you've done a great job.
Speaker 1: Through thick and thin, through pandemic, through strikes, through job
Speaker 1: change is life change.
Speaker 4: The Sony Marvel verse, you know we made it. We
Speaker 4: got to see the end of the Death of One Universe,
Speaker 4: so you know we've made it.
Speaker 1: I'll never forget you, buddy.
Speaker 3: We just had a Sony Marvel entry. You know that
Speaker 3: was good.
Speaker 1: It's actually good.
Speaker 3: Hopefully wasn't on the in the movie side.
Speaker 4: Yeah, somewhere else, somewhere else.
Speaker 1: Yeah, but but yeah, so, but before we get into
Speaker 1: the main topic at hand, we've got to do the
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Speaker 1: marvel Lines. We can watch this all day, the Marvel
Speaker 1: Lines Infinity Saga, Rewatch Tales from the House of X
Speaker 1: where we watch our favorite favorite movies from the Fox
Speaker 1: era of X Men, and the Baxter Broadcast, The Fantastic
Speaker 1: for Retro film reviews and coming this June right now,
Speaker 1: we are in June, right now, in a couple of weeks,
Speaker 1: David and I will record our newest show, Cape Expectations,
Speaker 1: The Avengers, Earth's Mightiest Hero and Rewatch and for me,
Speaker 1: first watch every month will be Yeah, we will be good.
Speaker 3: That's good.
Speaker 1: I've watched a few episodes. But this is gonna be
Speaker 1: kind of a bonding time with my kids because they
Speaker 1: are at that age now that they can appreciate it.
Speaker 1: So so yeah.
Speaker 4: It never gets too dark that show, like even something
Speaker 4: like the nineties looking Batman's like, okay, it's a little dark.
Speaker 4: That One's like on the right side, and you're gonna
Speaker 4: see a great TV version of Secret Invasion this time,
Speaker 4: Chris good. You know you didn't get to last time,
Speaker 4: but this time you'll get it. Yeah, we survived Secret Invasion.
Speaker 4: That's another thing.
Speaker 1: Hey, you know what that that that still goes down
Speaker 1: as the funniest and both brutally honest episode I think
Speaker 1: Brent and I ever had. Yeah, it sucked it will
Speaker 1: that'd be kind Yeah, every month, we will go through
Speaker 1: our thoughts on five episodes of Earth Mighties here so
Speaker 1: that we David and I have set recording for that
Speaker 1: for June fifteenth. That will drop at the end of
Speaker 1: every single month, So that'll carry us through I don't know,
Speaker 1: probably through probably the beginning of next year. So yeah,
Speaker 1: we get twenty six. Yeah, we'll be through next year
Speaker 1: a decent part of next year.
Speaker 4: And you know what's so funny though, this network started
Speaker 4: in twenty twenty to twenty one, kind in that era
Speaker 4: there's is three hundred episodes, including Chris, has been four hosts,
Speaker 4: and in none of that time did we get an
Speaker 4: Avengers movie to talk about like I would when Chris
Speaker 4: and I started the podcast and you said, oh, by
Speaker 4: three hundred episodes, would you guys have an Avengers movie review?
Speaker 4: With a oh, absolutely, there would have been at least
Speaker 4: well a smaller twenty twelve one.
Speaker 3: No, I mean there's an asterisk next.
Speaker 2: To that.
Speaker 4: Then with his Z so it's different, different, sure, but yeah,
Speaker 4: that's a yeah.
Speaker 1: We'll finally break We'll finally break that this year.
Speaker 3: Are you guys gonna watch Are you guys gonna do?
Speaker 3: Like Go to Sea a interesting game in September when
Speaker 3: it comes out.
Speaker 1: There's a possibility, it's a possibility. I haven't really thought.
Speaker 3: There's supposed to be some you know, extra scenes or whatever,
Speaker 3: which is there, and they shouldn't do it, but they are.
Speaker 1: So it's like what I say about it's kind of
Speaker 1: what they say about I say about Lucas. It's his movie.
Speaker 1: He could do what the heck he wants, like it
Speaker 1: or hate it.
Speaker 5: He did.
Speaker 3: Yeah, at least this time that they're they're they're not.
Speaker 3: It's not like Spider Man Far from Home came out
Speaker 3: with extra scenes three or four weeks into its run
Speaker 3: and it's like that's whatever. This at least is like
Speaker 3: supposed to be connective tissue. It's a little different.
Speaker 4: But it's not gonna be like pre cgi Hulk that
Speaker 4: they added that endgame where you released at first.
Speaker 3: But even now that was a special feature. It was
Speaker 3: like a post credit thing. It wasn't in the movie,
Speaker 3: which people always forget.
Speaker 1: True.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I will go to take it at least my
Speaker 4: two oldest main myth there who knows she's a little
Speaker 4: reckless at the theater. Sometimes she sometimes perfect and then
Speaker 4: sometimes she has a lot to say and I gotta
Speaker 4: keep reminding her. But because they haven't seen it in
Speaker 4: the theaters, I'll take them to that. So yeah, I
Speaker 4: think that's where I'll go see Avengers Endgame and get
Speaker 4: ready for it because we're not that for less than
Speaker 4: six months away now for uh crazy Doomsday, which is
Speaker 4: crazy so all that weight.
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Speaker 1: topic that you know, to the point of what we
Speaker 1: said earlier, might we've done something like this, you know,
Speaker 1: ranking in different ways, but we're we're doing something unique
Speaker 1: with this ranking of every single MCU movie that has
Speaker 1: been released. But it's going to be the agreement of
Speaker 1: all of us here of where we're gonna put this,
Speaker 1: put these in order. You know, it's going to get interesting.
Speaker 1: We're gonna see if we can we see if friendships
Speaker 1: can still continue on after this, because some people feel
Speaker 1: strongly about the movie Eternals and and want it to
Speaker 1: be in that top five, so we'll see four.
Speaker 4: Yeah. Well, I thought this was because we were trying
Speaker 4: to think, Okay, what can we do for three hundred?
Speaker 4: And I thought this was good because we've done rankings,
Speaker 4: but always when you've got to make a collective list,
Speaker 4: gets a little tricky. And then two, I think this
Speaker 4: is good way because there's I feel probably films on
Speaker 4: here that like there's been do like all combinations of
Speaker 4: us talking on the Marvel Alliance, but maybe some episode
Speaker 4: or some movies that we haven't talked about together right
Speaker 4: in that sort of sense, whether because the different eras
Speaker 4: that all the hosts were so other than Chris, but
Speaker 4: even Chris, there might be sometimes where it was Brent
Speaker 4: and I hosting or David I like somewhere in there. Right,
Speaker 4: so it's going to be you know, cool.
Speaker 1: Well, I mean Brent and I, I think the only
Speaker 1: thing that we've kind of can say for sure we
Speaker 1: have done the Infinity Saga all together. That was the
Speaker 1: one thing that we did do all together. And so
Speaker 1: after that it became, like you said, all over the
Speaker 1: place because you and this is because you left at
Speaker 1: Black Widow, I think, right.
Speaker 4: I mean we just srammed. Yeah, because the first year
Speaker 4: the Disney Plus shows and then I and I was
Speaker 4: still there for No Way Home. Yeah, I think that
Speaker 4: was when I started transition, was around Yeah, and then
Speaker 4: and I just like it too because you know, whatever
Speaker 4: happens for four and five hundred, but now it's like
Speaker 4: this is gonna be okay. At three hundred, before Spider Man,
Speaker 4: Brandy Today and Avengers, this was the all the Marvel Alliance's
Speaker 4: hosts like agreed upon as well as we could rankings
Speaker 4: of the movie. You know.
Speaker 1: So yeah, so we're gonna you know, kind of we
Speaker 1: kind of started talking about this off air that we're
Speaker 1: gonna kind of look at our top group, our bottom group,
Speaker 1: not necessarily ranking, but kind of group them at first,
Speaker 1: and then start seeing if we can put them in
Speaker 1: a numbering order, and then try to duke it out
Speaker 1: amongst the semantics of the middle group. So again, this
Speaker 1: is our list. If you think we're wrong, that's okay.
Speaker 1: As as a friend of the show would say, it's
Speaker 1: all subjective.
Speaker 3: If you think we're wrong, you're right.
Speaker 1: Uh So that's where we're gonna start. So do we
Speaker 1: want to start with the bottom or do we want
Speaker 1: to start with nominees for the top?
Speaker 4: Maybe we should start on a positive foot, start the
Speaker 4: happy round. All right, let's let's let's start high.
Speaker 1: Okay, So why don't we go around the around the
Speaker 1: group and everyone put out one that they want to
Speaker 1: be in that we'll call I want to say ten,
Speaker 1: Put ten up there, okay, okay, So we'll go around.
Speaker 1: So David, you want to what's your first nominee?
Speaker 5: All right, my first nominee is going to be Avengers
Speaker 5: Infinity War.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I agree with that.
Speaker 3: Nobody's gonna argue with that one.
Speaker 1: Yeah, there's no argument. Yeah, it's definitely gonna be in there.
Speaker 3: Brent I'll go in game.
Speaker 4: Yeah, all right, that's argument ranking.
Speaker 1: Yeah, what about you try War War? Oh?
Speaker 3: I mean you know what I'm not getting. Yeah, somebody
Speaker 3: may not go with you, but I will.
Speaker 2: It's in my top five, so yeah, because it doesn't
Speaker 2: mean it has to be.
Speaker 4: There's just on the menu right now, right, it's not
Speaker 4: We could discuss and then go okay, actually no, we
Speaker 4: can't agree on this. We'll circle back to.
Speaker 3: Him, but real quick to get to the food food references.
Speaker 1: But I will put up Black Panther.
Speaker 4: Okay, that's not what I thought Chris was going to
Speaker 4: go for.
Speaker 1: Well, I think someone will put it up there. If
Speaker 1: they don't, I will, so.
Speaker 2: All right, I will put up Winter Soldier.
Speaker 3: That's the one I Christmas get the Russou Quad movie. Sir,
Speaker 3: I'm gonna say no way home.
Speaker 4: I agree, I'm there.
Speaker 2: My top five has all been named, my top six
Speaker 2: have all been named.
Speaker 4: Christy, what's upen next? When I were with Panther, I'm
Speaker 4: trying to think Gardens Galaxy.
Speaker 1: Okay, that's interesting. Might have all right, So that's that's eight.
Speaker 1: Yeah we're eight, okay, eight, So I will put up
Speaker 1: I'll put up Iron Man.
Speaker 4: Man okay, right, it's you dude.
Speaker 2: This is where it starts to get difficult. Yeah, because
Speaker 2: I must say seven.
Speaker 1: It's seven.
Speaker 2: That's how t have already been named. So let's let's.
Speaker 1: Now what else say is this before? You say? Like,
Speaker 1: this is not set in stone? So if we put
Speaker 1: this up and then start going into our middle pack
Speaker 1: and say I think this might rank better, we we
Speaker 1: do get the right to change. So you for tomorrow lost.
Speaker 5: I am gonna go with the original Avengers.
Speaker 4: All right, yeah I thought about that.
Speaker 5: Yeah, okay, all right, well that'll be our worst ten.
Speaker 4: Well it would do.
Speaker 3: I only got nine nine, okay, I have even wrote
Speaker 3: them down, so.
Speaker 4: I got got in War, End Games, Civil War, Black Panther,
Speaker 4: Winter Soldier, no Way Home, Brand New, or I put no,
Speaker 4: that's where I screwed up.
Speaker 3: You should just put it in the our shared document.
Speaker 4: Yeah, and then you yeah.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 3: If I'm supposed to put another one out there, I'll
Speaker 3: say Dead pulling Wolverine. If I'm not, then I won't.
Speaker 2: Yes, yeah, it's in my top ten.
Speaker 4: I like it.
Speaker 3: It just makes me happy.
Speaker 1: It does.
Speaker 2: It's just fun and it's got a great in sync intro.
Speaker 4: So I'm here for it.
Speaker 1: Hey, hey, who said movies could have to be fun?
Speaker 1: That means.
Speaker 4: I don't think I'm missing one, But then I just
Speaker 4: got nine. I definitely am missing one because I feel
Speaker 4: like Brent was going to be ten. Some editing is
Speaker 4: right now. But I got Infindy War, Endgame, Civil War,
Speaker 4: Black Panther. Oh, I forgot my own pick cardons got Okay,
Speaker 4: so you're at at this and then when we start
Speaker 4: bottom ranked, I'll start the bidding first one. Okay, So
Speaker 4: that's what we've got our first batch of nominees here.
Speaker 4: I can just share the screen pings.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I'll say nine of those are in my top ten.
Speaker 5: So so I'm feeling pretty confident about that.
Speaker 1: Yeah, one of one of mine is not in the
Speaker 1: top ten. That's on in my top ten. But I'm
Speaker 1: okay with that right now.
Speaker 4: So that just makes Chris like that, hang on, hang on,
Speaker 4: hang on, hang on, Oh what is that image? I
Speaker 4: don't like that. Okay, we're just gonna go with gonna go.
Speaker 4: We're gonna go with the classic. We'll go with that.
Speaker 4: So yeah, I actually haven't pulled up my uh ranks
Speaker 4: to see what it.
Speaker 3: Was that up a little bit, and I actually blew
Speaker 3: up my rankings a while ago, so I'm kind of
Speaker 3: doing them, doing them on the fly.
Speaker 2: Yeah, to remove some TV shows from mine.
Speaker 3: When we settled on this, I thought about redoing it,
Speaker 3: and I said, nope, I'm gonna I'm gonna just go
Speaker 3: from the heart.
Speaker 1: I thought about it and got it lazy.
Speaker 4: So I think all mine are there because it's like
Speaker 4: I said, I have the TV shows and letter box,
Speaker 4: so my numbers are kind of all over the place.
Speaker 4: So I'm happy with most of these. It's just a
Speaker 4: question of, you.
Speaker 1: Know, the one that is not. There's a couple that
Speaker 1: aren't there for me on my list, Like I have
Speaker 1: Wakanda Forever in my top ten. I have shunk Chi
Speaker 1: in my top ten. But I know, Travis, I've always
Speaker 1: heard your opinions on that. That.
Speaker 4: Oh I thought about saying that that'll be a tough Yeah,
Speaker 4: it'd be a tough brief for me in top ten.
Speaker 4: Well we'll see the shakes out, you know.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, yeah, you know. Yeah, I'm good with this
Speaker 1: list right now.
Speaker 4: Yeah.
Speaker 5: Yeah, I've got everything other than iron Man in my
Speaker 5: top ten.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 4: I think I still as like the elder Statesman of
Speaker 4: like the start of it because I definitely have quality
Speaker 4: and then some of the uh like the lineage in there.
Speaker 4: But do we all have this list? What would everybody
Speaker 4: put as there? They're number one? I'm gonna start hard
Speaker 4: and say what would be the number one on this list?
Speaker 1: Number one? For me?
Speaker 3: To me, it's in game, But I won't argue if people.
Speaker 5: I have Infinity War as number one, and Endgame is
Speaker 5: my number three, with Something Situated is number two in
Speaker 5: between those?
Speaker 4: You got any game number three?
Speaker 3: Yes?
Speaker 5: I my top My personal top three are Avengers, Infinity War,
Speaker 5: Spider Man No Way Home, and then Avengers Endgame. Okay,
Speaker 5: Infinity War had the ending of it had more of
Speaker 5: that shock all and stay with me and that memory
Speaker 5: of that feeling of just anticipation, where the hell do
Speaker 5: we go from here?
Speaker 2: What's going to happen?
Speaker 5: That it ranks higher for me, Like the ending of
Speaker 5: Endgame was great, perfect culmination to Tony's story and everything else,
Speaker 5: But afterwards, I'm just like, Okay, cool course sort he
Speaker 5: wrapped this up in a nice little boat. I'm happy
Speaker 5: that this happened, but it didn't leave me with that
Speaker 5: oh my God, give me more like Infinity War did.
Speaker 1: See where my personal rankings are Winter Soldier black Pants.
Speaker 1: They're no way home Endgame in Infinity War. The reason
Speaker 1: I'll always give the edge to Endgame over Infinity War
Speaker 1: because even though Infinity War does have that gut punch
Speaker 1: at the end with a snap that we're all waiting for,
Speaker 1: because I'm too much in this stratosphere and no one's
Speaker 1: like I knew they were coming back, not because I
Speaker 1: knew spoilers. It's like they're coming back.
Speaker 4: Yeah.
Speaker 1: Like it didn't land as much as it land for
Speaker 1: general audience, didn't make it bad for me. It didn't
Speaker 1: ruin it for me. But there are certain parts of
Speaker 1: Endgame that just mean more to me personally, and that's
Speaker 1: the subjective opinion. Like Tony Tony saying he lost the
Speaker 1: kid always gets me like that always breaks my heart
Speaker 1: that moment. And then when he hugs Peter at the
Speaker 1: end of that saying, oh my God, like that that are,
Speaker 1: like you said, David, the Ark of Tony Stark in
Speaker 1: that one is just it comes full circle for me,
Speaker 1: and that will always ranked us a little bit above
Speaker 1: Infinity War.
Speaker 5: I would not be mad at anyone flip flopping that
Speaker 5: and putting in game over Infinity War, but by any
Speaker 5: stretch like that, they are both amazing, amazing films. And yeah,
Speaker 5: so either or to take the top spot for me
Speaker 5: and I wouldn't be mad at that.
Speaker 3: And then just to be clear, we are talking best
Speaker 3: to not favorite.
Speaker 1: Yeah, correct, Yeah, you're right.
Speaker 3: Ye are we talking making sure?
Speaker 1: Yeah? Oh we're talking.
Speaker 4: That changes my mind.
Speaker 1: Well here's another thing to throw another wrinkle in an impact.
Speaker 1: Do we want to do the impact?
Speaker 3: Well, if you do impacts, yeah, well I will. I
Speaker 3: will argue all day for impact.
Speaker 1: You have a long you have a long reasons why
Speaker 1: what it leads to you? You do have your reasons,
Speaker 1: I mean.
Speaker 5: But all so with Infinity War and the whole Thanos
Speaker 5: demand your silence, it just I mean, that whole viral
Speaker 5: marking campaign was just it was amazing in my opinion.
Speaker 4: Yeah, that's tough because if it's the flow, because for me,
Speaker 4: if it's favorites, I got any game in number one,
Speaker 4: But if it's best, I prefer endgame to watch. But
Speaker 4: I do think Infinity War is a better movie. It
Speaker 4: also did something that I'm not gonna say never but
Speaker 4: successfully giving us a main character that is a villain. Honestly,
Speaker 4: there's multiple main characters, right, but to get that journey
Speaker 4: and we hear the all the time, all this this
Speaker 4: villain's got a motivation, but when you really watch, it's like, Okay,
Speaker 4: someone destroyed my home plan, I'm coming to get you.
Speaker 4: It's very layered character. There's moments like obviously when he
Speaker 4: kills Gomorrah and you're seeing this mountain of a villain
Speaker 4: weep tears for his daughter already has to do this.
Speaker 4: There's such a there's such a journey for that character
Speaker 4: and really what he was in a couple of n
Speaker 4: Cred scenes and a few scenes in Guardians Galaxy. They
Speaker 4: did all the heavy lifting in that movie. So yeah,
Speaker 4: that's where, Yeah, if we're doing a best I do
Speaker 4: of in Finity War, I think it's a better quality.
Speaker 1: And I think that's where I'm confused about like best
Speaker 1: I know best in favor of me and did, but
Speaker 1: what do we are? We is best tied to impact?
Speaker 1: Is best tied to like the production? Like what are
Speaker 1: we talking about?
Speaker 4: I guess mine's just the A to B like quality
Speaker 4: of the uh the film because and I don't agree,
Speaker 4: but I know there's lots of people that don't like
Speaker 4: the Middle Time travel portion of Endgame where it just
Speaker 4: kind of slows down for a bit and it's taking
Speaker 4: its time. I like all that. I always say love
Speaker 4: heroes that are depressed, so I'm finding but I know
Speaker 4: a lot of people like, oh, you gotta do wait
Speaker 4: all the time, but then you get the portals. But
Speaker 4: in Finny War doesn't have that issue. Though in Finny,
Speaker 4: War's always it's very quickly paced, but it does take
Speaker 4: some time to slow down a bit. I am a
Speaker 4: day where like either one, one or two, I think
Speaker 4: it's fine. I know there is a Spire film kicking
Speaker 4: around and Civil War, but I think I am in
Speaker 4: that camp where these two would be the top two
Speaker 4: in my.
Speaker 5: I agree, like the Portals moment is great, the ending
Speaker 5: is great. But for full scale movies start.
Speaker 2: To finish, I've got to give it to Infinity War.
Speaker 1: I wouldn't have a problem if we end up having
Speaker 1: Infinity War, Like, it's not enough for me to split
Speaker 1: hairs over it.
Speaker 4: Number one, okay, War number one? Okay. Now that brings
Speaker 4: us to Now that's what I want to say is
Speaker 4: what are the films that if anyone thought, okay, Endgame
Speaker 4: is not number two? What are those films you would
Speaker 4: combat it with if you didn't feel.
Speaker 2: That no Way Home is my number two.
Speaker 5: But like to me, like if you were to put
Speaker 5: in Game over no Way Home, I'm okay with that.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I think I almost want to say it almost.
Speaker 1: I think Endgames should be number two just because of
Speaker 1: the bringing the conclusion to what is an amount of
Speaker 1: a franchise that no one like, how could you have
Speaker 1: ever thought that they could have mounted this in this
Speaker 1: consistency during that time period, like they brought to close
Speaker 1: ten years of Marvel that the superhero genre before this
Speaker 1: was every so often. We were lucky to get anything
Speaker 1: halfway decent. We gave the time of day and saying, okay,
Speaker 1: this is the best we got. But look at what
Speaker 1: we got when things got boo hits, the assembly on production,
Speaker 1: boo hits, everything like that. But they still did it.
Speaker 1: They set the bar for what right wrong, how we
Speaker 1: do the things like you cannot argue with what it established.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I agree.
Speaker 4: Yeah, And I also think too, Like I'm not saying
Speaker 4: anything's easy or anything like that, but I do think
Speaker 4: in a sense Sperman Noy Home is easier to pull
Speaker 4: off than Endgame was. As far as all those storylines,
Speaker 4: all those characters, all the years where knowing Home of
Speaker 4: course is juggling a lot of stuff, but then it
Speaker 4: also kind of gets like a fun get ed Jeil
Speaker 4: free card with the other movies that they didn't even make,
Speaker 4: like with you know, the Toby Ons and Andrew one
Speaker 4: coming in there, and we get to bring that stuff
Speaker 4: in there. So that's where I'd say that I'm pretty
Speaker 4: high on No Way Home as well too, But I
Speaker 4: think I'd be fine with Endgame being number two over
Speaker 4: for a litany of reasons.
Speaker 3: I agree. Now Way Home is absolutely I mean, it's
Speaker 3: my favorite Spider Man movie. It's it's up there in
Speaker 3: my top five for sure, But if we're honest with it,
Speaker 3: a lot of that is to the back half with
Speaker 3: the three spiders together. Yes, and it's significant, not that
Speaker 3: there's not great stuff in the first half, but it's
Speaker 3: less so in the first half when people think about
Speaker 3: that movie. So I would vote In Game over No
Speaker 3: Way Home.
Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah, I would like to make a case for
Speaker 1: Winter Soldier being third because of what it ended up.
Speaker 1: That was a change that was a big moment for
Speaker 1: Marvel post Avengers post like what we've set all these
Speaker 1: characters up what do we do? That was a pivot
Speaker 1: in the sense of, like we can make a serious
Speaker 1: compic movie from Marvel and turn it into a political
Speaker 1: thriller genre. That really upended what the next phase of
Speaker 1: Marvel was gonna be and kind of set up stuff
Speaker 1: because without I don't think we get a civil war
Speaker 1: without Winter Soldier.
Speaker 2: When I'm saying that, course, I wouldn't mind it jumping
Speaker 2: up to.
Speaker 4: Three, we might not get any of that stuff too,
Speaker 4: because obviously the Russo's are a big part of infinnie
Speaker 4: war en game, right, so that's there. They kind of
Speaker 4: got the keys of the Francis.
Speaker 1: It blew up, like everything we felt like, Oh, Shield's
Speaker 1: going to be this great thing every like you know,
Speaker 1: Cap know this, Oh Cap know some other things. Cap,
Speaker 1: you know, not necessarily always on the up and up
Speaker 1: with certain things, and all the stuff that he took
Speaker 1: for granted, he's the one that says, no, bring it
Speaker 1: crashing down, like nothing is sacred right now, We're gonna
Speaker 1: do what's right. And it leads to his whole thing about,
Speaker 1: you know, to civil wars point like I'm not going
Speaker 1: to let a government tell me what to go and
Speaker 1: where to go. If I see going down south. I'm
Speaker 1: going in you know, I'm not letting the government tell
Speaker 1: me what to do. That's that moment is tied to
Speaker 1: the results of Winter Soldier.
Speaker 3: Yeah and one a speech from cap.
Speaker 4: Yeah that's true. Yeah, yeah, that's if we're doing the best.
Speaker 4: And I think I can agree my favorites. I can't
Speaker 4: get there because I love No Way Home and I
Speaker 4: got that high up there. But but even then, that's
Speaker 4: where my list is different, because wouldn't in Finny War
Speaker 4: is not my one or two. So that's what we're
Speaker 4: doing on favorite.
Speaker 3: Civil War is my favorite of them.
Speaker 4: Yeah, so I would be fine Winter Soldier in the
Speaker 4: top three there.
Speaker 3: Yeah, that's fine. I won't argue it.
Speaker 4: Okay, So right now our top three is in Finny War,
Speaker 4: Endgame and Winter Soldier, and we got seven more to this. Again,
Speaker 4: they don't have to go and be in the top ten.
Speaker 4: But so far, so good on the stats there.
Speaker 1: So we wanted to put up next for four.
Speaker 3: Would this be the spot for No Way Home?
Speaker 1: I think it would.
Speaker 4: I think so. I like because you said it's your favorite.
Speaker 4: For as far as quality or even what we're doing
Speaker 4: for this list is the reason Brent that you have.
Speaker 4: Would you put Spidey over Civil War?
Speaker 3: I mean me individually, I wouldn't. I was more reading
Speaker 3: the room. I'm compromising with where I what. I just like,
Speaker 3: I know Civil War is lower on Chris's list, quite
Speaker 3: a bit lower if I remember right, And I know
Speaker 3: that No Way Home is higher because he just told
Speaker 3: us it was David's number two, and so I more
Speaker 3: just going with the I can sleep at night with
Speaker 3: that Spy.
Speaker 5: Spidey made me feel more though, Like Civil War had
Speaker 5: some cool moments. It had the bucking moment, it had
Speaker 5: the you know that everything going on with the shield,
Speaker 5: it had to does anyone want to get out like that?
Speaker 5: Those were all great, uh, but man, some of those
Speaker 5: heartbeats with Spidery were chess incredible. It was the nostalgia
Speaker 5: feel and it was also a moment that could bring
Speaker 5: back lapsed fans and be like I can just in
Speaker 5: a single vacuum still be able to enjoy this movie.
Speaker 3: I guess that's a funny thing to say about No
Speaker 3: Way Home. In the vacuum To enjoy that movie when
Speaker 3: it comes out of it's the third home movie, you
Speaker 3: you really need to know what happened in it and
Speaker 3: you all the other Spider Man.
Speaker 5: But I've watched it with a friend who did not
Speaker 5: know who had missed so much of the MCU, and
Speaker 5: they were just like, well, I know Toby, and you know.
Speaker 3: Like and make that person go back and watch some
Speaker 3: of the.
Speaker 5: No that was that was a different person. I've exposed
Speaker 5: way too many people to this movie. This person only
Speaker 5: watched They watched the Toby ra Toby was their guy.
Speaker 5: They watched the first of the Andrew Garfield movies. So
Speaker 5: having all of this, they're just like, Okay, yeah, like
Speaker 5: this this was something that and they sat there and
Speaker 5: they watched it, and we were like two thirds through
Speaker 5: the movie where they just like, yeah, like I get
Speaker 5: to just I had no idea who that is, but
Speaker 5: this part is super cool, and like I've picked up
Speaker 5: on it. And I was like, oh, like, you are
Speaker 5: just enjoying this for what it is and you still
Speaker 5: think it's a good movie without having twenty plus movies
Speaker 5: of knowledge ahead of it. If you can do that,
Speaker 5: I think that's saying something.
Speaker 4: All right. So just because this is the top four,
Speaker 4: I know people have top three, but in my mind
Speaker 4: I'm always concerned about the four because mout Rushmore right,
Speaker 4: I like the Mountain. These are those So for me,
Speaker 4: I'm gonna we're gonna read the room could get shot
Speaker 4: down right away, it could make a little interesting. I'm
Speaker 4: gonna pitch both these not be number four. And this
Speaker 4: is one that I've pitched for a while in my drothers.
Speaker 4: It's already ranked way too low because I think it
Speaker 4: is the best quar No. Black Panther.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I was gonna I was gonna join.
Speaker 4: The other than some people I know which I've looked
Speaker 4: past the bad cg on near the end stuff. I
Speaker 4: look past all that doesn't buge me at all if
Speaker 4: you talk about the same way Civil War, Sorry, Winter Soldier, Guardians,
Speaker 4: the first Iron Man, this is also a game changer,
Speaker 4: also changed things away. The MC was going first ever
Speaker 4: Academy Award nominated Superhail film.
Speaker 2: But it just.
Speaker 4: I can't even remember it was nominated that year, so.
Speaker 3: Won for some of that.
Speaker 4: For I mean, I guess that was that was, But yeah,
Speaker 4: for me, that really changed, Like there was all you know,
Speaker 4: I love the MSU, but all that aside, I guess
Speaker 4: the Winter Soldier, but I feel like with Black Panther,
Speaker 4: that was the real first conversations of alluding to something
Speaker 4: from the MSU that was similar to the Dark Knight
Speaker 4: Winter Soldier did have that, but it was the gravitas
Speaker 4: and how big those issues were. And I always remember
Speaker 4: when I was in the theater and the things kill
Speaker 4: Monger was saying and what they're bringing up I would
Speaker 4: have never thought was even when a Soldiers like, Okay,
Speaker 4: it's a spy thrill, but you can do the classic
Speaker 4: oh government bad storyline, right, Yeah, that's not a too stretch.
Speaker 4: But the idea of kill Monger being like, oh, you know,
Speaker 4: did the white people ask for mission when they took
Speaker 4: this from my people? Me just being in the theater
Speaker 4: like this is happening in a not even like a
Speaker 4: common book. Any of this is MSU in its prime
Speaker 4: twenty eighteen. It's Googler taking the chances, fantastic casting all
Speaker 4: round with Chadwick, kill Monger, Angebasat Sury. So for me,
Speaker 4: that would be actually the one I would fight for.
Speaker 5: Emotional journey teams I can secon yeah, I can join
Speaker 5: now that you're saying it, and thinking to myself like again,
Speaker 5: I love no Way Home. But that also that was
Speaker 5: a little bit of nostalchia bait, where black panther kill
Speaker 5: Monger was a fresh from the gutter, like out the
Speaker 5: mud villain that you were just like, Okay, this is
Speaker 5: the bad guy. Then you're like, oh crap, I'm sympathizing
Speaker 5: with this guy.
Speaker 2: Oh shit, he is making.
Speaker 5: Good points like yeah, why aren't y'all helping the rest
Speaker 5: of the world. Why aren't you contributing to building up
Speaker 5: other black people? Why aren't you doing this? You started
Speaker 5: to go like, my man, this is making some sense here.
Speaker 5: Plus again, I like a movie where you know, somebody's
Speaker 5: throwing some hands in he was throwing some hands.
Speaker 4: And to your point, that was and I always fight
Speaker 4: for it. People always look at me like I'm crazy.
Speaker 4: I always brank kill mong over Thanos. I don't care.
Speaker 1: Oh absolutely, My.
Speaker 4: Dms are close. But like the thing is for me.
Speaker 4: That's where it didn't get to shine because infinny war
Speaker 4: was right around the corner, right and Thanos came. And
Speaker 4: I've said as much as I kill Monger Moore, Thanos
Speaker 4: is the Darth Vader of this generation. For movie bad guys,
Speaker 4: that's who everyone sures to be, like, oh this channels
Speaker 4: to me. It goes like like Vader, Hannibal Lecter, he
Speaker 4: Fledger's Joker, and then Thanos like those are maybe you're
Speaker 4: throwing like mister Smith from the Matrix, but the those
Speaker 4: are the ones that like they define certain decades that
Speaker 4: everyone's trying to make that new type of villain and
Speaker 4: that Stanos not even Downey last week is oh yeah,
Speaker 4: he's more powerful than Thanos. That's the measuring bar. But
Speaker 4: as far as the layered character which Stanos is, I
Speaker 4: think kill Mangers says even a bit more layers to him.
Speaker 1: So yeah, I would agree with that just because it's
Speaker 1: more particularly for everything you all just said. But that
Speaker 1: ending ending went right before he dies, is the way
Speaker 1: he's saying, like no, I don't want you to save me.
Speaker 1: I want I want to I want to go home.
Speaker 1: Like he is a true version of an antagonist. He's
Speaker 1: not a villain. He is a true personification of an antagonist.
Speaker 1: Where we've all said, like we find ourselves saying he
Speaker 1: ain't he ain't wrong what he's saying, Like his methods
Speaker 1: may be not necessarily, but his methodology is like you
Speaker 1: can understand why he's doing and why he's acting in
Speaker 1: this way of what his entire life has been surrounded
Speaker 1: and lies and to see and being cheated out of
Speaker 1: a life that he feels like he should have had,
Speaker 1: not necessarily wanting for the crown out of life that
Speaker 1: he got deprived of with the death of his father.
Speaker 5: Yeah, and you know to your point about you know
Speaker 5: how kill Monger's in that whole line about just bury
Speaker 5: me in the ocean with my ancestress who jumped from
Speaker 5: the ships because they knew death was better than bondage
Speaker 5: like that.
Speaker 2: Shit hit.
Speaker 1: It does. And so no, I I get completely Travis,
Speaker 1: why you put that as your number one? Like there's
Speaker 1: no reason, like regardless of the number four. Yeah, no, no, no,
Speaker 1: but I'm talking about his number one. Why he always
Speaker 1: puts it as his number one?
Speaker 4: Yeah, because it's like it's one of those films that
Speaker 4: when take away all the cape stuff, when you look
Speaker 4: at the most important movies and even myself, right, I say,
Speaker 4: the best Marral movie for me is Logan. But Logan
Speaker 4: would never be in that list of the movies that changed,
Speaker 4: just like Superhero Cinema or cinema where Dark Knight is there.
Speaker 4: You know, I would even say, like Toby spider Man
Speaker 4: is but Black Panther, I think is definitely one of
Speaker 4: those that that's on that list of the films that
Speaker 4: change the scope of things, and honestly just like big
Speaker 4: for that community, right and howbeit was at that moment
Speaker 4: to have.
Speaker 6: No longer was it oh you know, people going of
Speaker 6: kids going there like it was a moment in time,
Speaker 6: but also topical for right now with the discussions of
Speaker 6: what's going on with the now ended quote unquote boycott
Speaker 6: of DC Comics that didn't go too long in the
Speaker 6: sense of DC so white.
Speaker 1: Another topic for another day. But the reason I bring
Speaker 1: that up is just like I'm not saying Marvel is
Speaker 1: doing better than it, but it also brought up the
Speaker 1: conversation of what do we look to our heroes and
Speaker 1: what do we look to representation? We all four of
Speaker 1: us have said on the show many different times representation matters.
Speaker 1: And are they doing are they putting it out there? Sure?
Speaker 1: Can they do better? Should they do better? Yes? But
Speaker 1: this was something that after also the behind the scenes
Speaker 1: of how long this movie took with Ike Permater and
Speaker 1: all the other ones not putting this on the back
Speaker 1: Bernard at this one for this moment right here, for
Speaker 1: Chadwick Boseman's this entire cash they crew, everything about it.
Speaker 1: You know, this was that moment in time. So yeah,
Speaker 1: I'm I'm good with it. Putting at four.
Speaker 3: I'm gonna agree mark it down at four. It's sold.
Speaker 3: I'm not gonna argue.
Speaker 5: And as many times it is because this movie, I
Speaker 5: got to say, Hey, Auntie, I heard.
Speaker 3: You say that a time or two. Yeah, I'm not
Speaker 3: I'm not gonna argue with it. Go mark it down, Blackman.
Speaker 1: And so we put No Way Home at five.
Speaker 4: Yeah, we just you know, okay, So No Way Home.
Speaker 4: And then I well, I guess I heard that Brent
Speaker 4: say that Chris is more down. I would be fine
Speaker 4: with because right now we have Civil War, Iron Man, Avengers,
Speaker 4: Deadpool over and Gardens the Galaxy the only one I
Speaker 4: could see someone make a case for his Gardens Galaxy.
Speaker 4: But I would still put Civil War over that personally.
Speaker 4: But I can see why people could make the case
Speaker 4: for Gardens. That's another. And see when that changed a
Speaker 4: lot of the tone. Right that came out and everyone's like, oh,
Speaker 4: Gun has the formula, Let's do a lot of that stuff.
Speaker 4: It was a big success to create these characters out nothing.
Speaker 4: But I think Civil War to me sung a lot,
Speaker 4: especially with the tone that's the cap not just that.
Speaker 3: But it introduced us to Black Panther that he just
Speaker 3: waxed boatic about. I mean, yeah, it introduced us to
Speaker 3: Spider Man, which David mentioned about earlier, and the nostalgia
Speaker 3: there of how important that character is and the best.
Speaker 4: Spider Man in the msum is gonna say it didn't
Speaker 4: like when the Russell's Handlespider Man.
Speaker 3: Important important to say. It did not adapt, but it
Speaker 3: was inspired by a very iconic storyline, and as an
Speaker 3: inspired by it did a really good job with it. Again,
Speaker 3: not an adaptation. People will get those two things confused.
Speaker 3: But and to Chris's point earlier, the impact that the
Speaker 3: movie Civil War had goes on a very long ways,
Speaker 3: all the way to the rest of Phase three and
Speaker 3: beyond even.
Speaker 4: To the other brand. It kicked the dbs's ass, you know,
Speaker 4: create a whole war.
Speaker 3: I didn't say it. I didn't.
Speaker 4: I'll say it again a close.
Speaker 3: But I didn't argue with it. But I didn't say
Speaker 3: it either.
Speaker 4: Yeah, no, I think it's again. For me, it's that
Speaker 4: it's I know everyone's gonna tell at the airport scene,
Speaker 4: but for me. It's actually the third act with just Bucky.
Speaker 3: Tony the airport scene. People only don't like it because
Speaker 3: it's daytime and it's cloudy outside, like it's great. I'm sorry,
Speaker 3: it's a little overcast, like.
Speaker 1: If you paint.
Speaker 3: They're like, oh, there's no people there. Well, if you
Speaker 3: listen to the announcements say evacuated the airport, like, people's
Speaker 3: complaints are legitimately explained to the movie. So and you
Speaker 3: don't even have to dig deeper.
Speaker 1: You're trying to rationalize fandom there, it's just there.
Speaker 4: So I'll still say that it's like the Black Panther.
Speaker 4: The airport does look ugly.
Speaker 3: But civil war is high as high as the group
Speaker 3: will come to it.
Speaker 1: I'm good with it. I guess I've come around more,
Speaker 1: not because you your arguments are something that i've I
Speaker 1: see exactly as you put it out there. It's come
Speaker 1: up on my list. It's still it's in the top twenty,
Speaker 1: but it's come up further than where it was, not
Speaker 1: because I was a hater of it, but because yeah,
Speaker 1: but to where you point out the impact it's had
Speaker 1: is okay. That's that's where it gets me saying no, no,
Speaker 1: you're right, it moves it forward like that.
Speaker 3: So Captain America chasing Black Panther chasing Bucky. So good,
Speaker 3: that's a huge.
Speaker 4: I'm a big defender Zimo. I think he's one of
Speaker 4: MC films, like even before Winter Soldiers, like it was
Speaker 4: great to Sure he's not flashy, and sure it's not
Speaker 4: like this big art, but it was something very personal
Speaker 4: and subtle, and like I said, it worked and then
Speaker 4: we got that great third day. So I'm good with that.
Speaker 1: We get a great dance move from Zmo.
Speaker 4: Come on, yes we did, Yeah we did. So now
Speaker 4: we have Ironman Avengers that pull over and guards Galaxy
Speaker 4: on the board right now, out of the ones we
Speaker 4: had before.
Speaker 5: I personally have Guardians right after Civil War. So I'm
Speaker 5: okay with leaving that there.
Speaker 4: I would agree at the Here's the thing. I technically
Speaker 4: like Dead pull wolver In more, but I think that
Speaker 4: Girds is a way better movie.
Speaker 1: The only Dead Pulling Wovering is a more fun movie
Speaker 1: for me.
Speaker 2: It's I can put it on it.
Speaker 5: And I can just enjoy film, and it's in my
Speaker 5: top ten. It's just not it's not in the upper
Speaker 5: echelon of my top.
Speaker 1: But if we're going with what we said. It ties
Speaker 1: into what we said about No Way Home. It's nostalgia
Speaker 1: bit I love but at Pull the wover In too.
Speaker 1: But let's be honest, that is a lot of love
Speaker 1: and celebration of franchises that we have grown up with.
Speaker 4: Yeah, the only other one that I would dis you
Speaker 4: because I haven't turned on the film like many other
Speaker 4: people do. But I still love that original Avengers. I
Speaker 4: get some people's criticisms, but I would still be fine
Speaker 4: to put Guardians next. That would just be the only one.
Speaker 4: I go, oh, maybe that, But if Guardians is number seven,
Speaker 4: I'm not going to really fight anybody about it. It's
Speaker 4: a it's a great time.
Speaker 3: The snixt four that we have that we nominated, iron Man, Avengers,
Speaker 3: that Pull, Woverine, Guardians, I could accept in any order.
Speaker 3: I personally would put Guardians first from these four, but
Speaker 3: like any order, except.
Speaker 5: My personal next three is Guardian's Avengers and then Deadpool
Speaker 5: Wolverine in that order like that rounds out my top nine.
Speaker 5: I don't have Iron Man in my top ten, but that,
Speaker 5: but those round out my top nine.
Speaker 1: I put Dead Pills number ten, and then.
Speaker 4: Yeah, that's where I might be with Chris where I
Speaker 4: I think iron Man for me is still a better
Speaker 4: movie than dead poolvering.
Speaker 3: It certainly has impact, Yeah, nobody the impact iron.
Speaker 4: It has its weaknesses, like the Ironman action. It sucks
Speaker 4: in that movie, like it's it's not good, like that
Speaker 4: last fight with Filmore or Iron Bonger. It's like it's
Speaker 4: very it's almost better than had any right to be. Like,
Speaker 4: they're so lucky because Favreau is a great director that
Speaker 4: they managed to pull that off.
Speaker 1: So you have its time in the sense of what
Speaker 1: they had available.
Speaker 4: Right, Yeah, And it's just one of those though that
Speaker 4: still inspired many things. Right, So I think we're locked
Speaker 4: on Guardians and Avengers or Guardia Guardian Avengers. It's just
Speaker 4: where are we because me and Chris are more with
Speaker 4: iron Man next.
Speaker 5: But then if you guys want to do iron Man,
Speaker 5: then Deadpool. I am not in disagreement with that. Iron
Speaker 5: Man's number twelve on my list was not far out
Speaker 5: the top ten. It's not like that this is a
Speaker 5: huge thing. My my thing against iron Man is kind
Speaker 5: of the same points we argue made. The climactic scene
Speaker 5: is very clunky to me and very formulaic, but also
Speaker 5: like everything leading up to that just had me sitting
Speaker 5: there on the edge of my seat and he's.
Speaker 2: Just like, this is awesome. This is awesome, this is awesome.
Speaker 4: And that's me where I give some more creditsca that
Speaker 4: first whole act is there's no Iron Man or nothing.
Speaker 4: We're as much as I love it. But Wolverine it
Speaker 4: is Hey, you're getting Wolverine, You're getting dozens Wolverine suits.
Speaker 4: It's a fun time. Or Iron Man it's hey, it's
Speaker 4: rober Dannel Jr. In this cave for twenty five minutes
Speaker 4: and they make you care about him in that world, right.
Speaker 1: And we see the development at the beginning of the
Speaker 1: development of a character that you know, can't give anything
Speaker 1: for anyone in the world except for himself and throw
Speaker 1: throws life away and goes through I mean, look at
Speaker 1: what they used in the one of my favorite trailers
Speaker 1: from Endgame where he says I went in that cave.
Speaker 1: You know, like they use that for a reason if
Speaker 1: we're looking at an impact, like you know, yes, we
Speaker 1: could say, oh, obviously it's the first movie, but look
Speaker 1: at the arc of what it starts with Tony Stark, Yeah,
Speaker 1: like he is I know, it's always cap in Iron
Speaker 1: Man but like, say what you want. I still say
Speaker 1: I put iron Man's arc more impactful in the Infinity
Speaker 1: War saga than Captain America. I say it's iron Man.
Speaker 4: And Cap, especially because Caps are just randomly changes between
Speaker 4: Age of Ultron and Civil War. I think I'm happy
Speaker 4: being a soldier, and then all of a sudden, he's like,
Speaker 4: I really would like to date that hot chick, you know,
Speaker 4: like he was for a couple of mos. Completely fine.
Speaker 4: He's like, oh, Tony said I should do this. Now
Speaker 4: I'm not gonna do that, but no, and I agree
Speaker 4: with you right like it is. He is the there's
Speaker 4: a reason why the d there's no end quyts endgame.
Speaker 4: It's just the hammer clanging and what. And that's why
Speaker 4: no matter what, whether it works or fails, that's why
Speaker 4: it's such a big deal of him coming back as
Speaker 4: Doctor Doom, right, because it is they're playing with fire.
Speaker 4: It could be something great, but it could also be Hey,
Speaker 4: this is something special, and now even more so than
Speaker 4: CAP because you can add more story. This is an
Speaker 4: actor now taking on a new, big role. That could
Speaker 4: be something like, oh man, remember he was just iron Man,
Speaker 4: you know, or it could be their verse of you know,
Speaker 4: Danny's great and that's why I can't wait for December.
Speaker 4: So yeah, okay, so Avengers maybe Avengers nine deadpoot w
Speaker 4: Malverne ten. Yeah yeah, sorry Iron Answering.
Speaker 1: Sorry my god, let's uh say we got the ten.
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Speaker 4: Okay. So now out of the thirty seven, we've locked
Speaker 4: the top ten. So we got that. So now we're
Speaker 4: going to the bottom ten. And it left off of me.
Speaker 4: So I get to nominate. I got to nominate the
Speaker 4: very first movie I ever failed for the MCU, and
Speaker 4: I think it's the only one. There's a couple of
Speaker 4: TV shows, but I've still never failed. Some people I
Speaker 4: know Brent probably thinks of sour and MSU. I haven't.
Speaker 4: I'm just.
Speaker 1: Standard. Remember remember world standard Again.
Speaker 4: It's like if you're day in someone and they didn't
Speaker 4: cheat on you, but you saw him like maybe having
Speaker 4: too long a conversation with somebody.
Speaker 1: It's got to be a food reference.
Speaker 3: I would say you are higher on the MCU than
Speaker 3: you are Star Wars, but you've soured.
Speaker 4: I've given up on stars. You know. That's another time.
Speaker 4: But I've never I've only failed one MCU movie, and
Speaker 4: that is ant Man and Quantum and mana Wasp in Quantumedia.
Speaker 4: I'm nominating for the the bottom ten because uh yeah
Speaker 4: again I I have concerns since I've been away from
Speaker 4: the because you gotta remember, I don't care. I loved
Speaker 4: speaking of Ray bringing No. It wasn't no, no, no.
Speaker 4: Mc was the gold standard. I'm sorry, buddy, I don't
Speaker 4: even know this. It was. It was for what you
Speaker 4: look forward to franchise, right like what you as for
Speaker 4: fans and a business. It was quantum Mania. There was
Speaker 4: sure little stumblest of the phases. QUANTUMEA to me is
Speaker 4: the first time the MSU ever got punched like in
Speaker 4: a boxing ring, and they fell down. Other times they
Speaker 4: even eternals. I think they took on the blows like okay,
Speaker 4: get sill match quanme was the first time like hey
Speaker 4: you good, can you make it through this round? And yeah,
Speaker 4: and now it's gonna be worse than Incredible. Hope they'll
Speaker 4: be the most forgotten MC movie of all time, like
Speaker 4: just because of everything right, so Incredible.
Speaker 1: Holk has has way come up a lot.
Speaker 4: Just got a sequel reflection, you know, I got a
Speaker 4: sequel with the Leader back and Rossly. Yeah, I'm putting
Speaker 4: I'm putting a quantumedia there.
Speaker 1: So I will put up the next one being thor
Speaker 1: Love and Thunder. That's where in my opinion, like I
Speaker 1: I know people are big to like either love or hate.
Speaker 1: You know, Ragnark. I will be a defender of Ragnarrek.
Speaker 1: I love that movie. It's because there are so many
Speaker 1: funny things about that movie that I liked what it was.
Speaker 1: I think this took what I liked about it and
Speaker 1: doubled down, not in a good way like this this one.
Speaker 1: You know, as people liked, say Taika went to Taika, Yes,
Speaker 1: Taika went way too Taika, And it even started started
Speaker 1: questioning saying, yeah, I wanted to change. I don't know
Speaker 1: if I wanted as much. I kind of want to
Speaker 1: go back to the Brenna Aaron find a nice little
Speaker 1: like this one. Yeah, I I this is at my bottom.
Speaker 4: Even when there's a famous interview when they ask him
Speaker 4: fire like, oh, what type of genre is this movie?
Speaker 4: Because MC always has the type of genre. It's like, well,
Speaker 4: it's a tycho movie.
Speaker 2: And that's like.
Speaker 4: Something. I think I heard Brent make a noise. I
Speaker 4: think I'm with Brent that I'm not as much of
Speaker 4: a hater as this, but I with I understand Chris
Speaker 4: that there it is. As much as I don't like
Speaker 4: ant Man three, I do think thorl and Thunder comes
Speaker 4: up way more people disliking it. And yeah, so okay,
Speaker 4: that's Osse added because it's Chris's pick there, so it's David.
Speaker 5: Now, all right, I'm going to switch to a different
Speaker 5: Thor movie, and I'm gonna go with Thor the Dark.
Speaker 3: World, one of the low hanging fruits there. I'll go
Speaker 3: ahead and do the other low hanging fruit and say
Speaker 3: iron Man two iron technically, even though iron Man two
Speaker 3: has some cool stuff in it, but I'll for a
Speaker 3: bottom ten.
Speaker 4: Yeah, dangerous point zero five.
Speaker 3: I mean, honestly, they all have some cool stuff, like.
Speaker 4: Yeah, okay, this is the bottom right, Oh, this is
Speaker 4: the easy one Black Widow for me. I'm throwing that there. Wow,
Speaker 4: you know, discount Winter Soldier, you know, sugar free Winter Soldiers.
Speaker 3: And still better than so many movies. I disagree, but
Speaker 3: put it in there.
Speaker 1: All right, the Marvels. I love the characters in it,
Speaker 1: but this movie was completely underserved, and I know it
Speaker 1: all behind the scenes stuff everything like that. I agree.
Speaker 1: I think we've all said it, like if this movie
Speaker 1: had come out with and the strike didn't happen, I
Speaker 1: don't think it would have saved it, but that press
Speaker 1: tour would have would have brought in some more, some
Speaker 1: more audience to this movie. And I think I think
Speaker 1: individually the characters, I mean, a Mambilai was a gem
Speaker 1: in that movie, but it just didn't land and and
Speaker 1: it always brings the argument was Captain Marvel, was it
Speaker 1: a billion dollar movie because it was a good movie
Speaker 1: or was it a billion dollar movie because it was
Speaker 1: the movie leading into Endgameya? I think that's a conversation
Speaker 1: that still gets happened. And I don't think someone who
Speaker 1: argues that it was a billion dollar movie because of
Speaker 1: Endgame coming, it's hard for me to not say that
Speaker 1: you don't have some some stuff that you're not right
Speaker 1: about with that.
Speaker 3: Are you talking the Marvels or Captain Marvel There.
Speaker 1: I'm talking about the Marvels. I'm just saying like that,
Speaker 1: you know, the question that comes in when that movie
Speaker 1: doesn't even come close to okay to its predecessor. I'm
Speaker 1: not saying it should have been a billion dollar movie,
Speaker 1: but when it doesn't even sniff in that direction, that's
Speaker 1: there's a lot going on.
Speaker 5: Yeah, I've got two options here, and I got to
Speaker 5: decide which one I want to shit on first show.
Speaker 2: I am going to go with.
Speaker 5: The easy out and just say eternals if it is, yeah,
Speaker 5: it's in. It's in my bottom ten. We all knew
Speaker 5: it was coming. There is something that ranks a little
Speaker 5: bit worse than that.
Speaker 2: But I don't know if I'm ready to.
Speaker 1: Just thrust or the two.
Speaker 5: You know not.
Speaker 4: I almost was worried it wasn't gonna be in the
Speaker 4: bottom ten because we all thought someone would say it
Speaker 4: and then no one would say it.
Speaker 3: I was gonna say it.
Speaker 1: I competent, someone was gonna put it there. I wasn't worried.
Speaker 5: And that's another part of my reasoning. Is it it
Speaker 5: needs to be here in the bottom ten, so you
Speaker 5: got to get said. I don't want it to slip
Speaker 5: up and make it into the top twenty five because
Speaker 5: no one wants to mention its name.
Speaker 3: I'm gonna say in the wasp for my next one,
Speaker 3: that was choice. Something about that movie. When I watched it,
Speaker 3: I'm like, I like it, it's fine, but I don't know.
Speaker 3: I just it's it's hard for me to quantify, which
Speaker 3: is perfect for a podcast, but it just there's some
Speaker 3: lacking about that movie.
Speaker 5: Well, it felt like the same thing that we've said
Speaker 5: about thor Love and Thunder, where you know, they just
Speaker 5: went a little bit too far. The same thing with
Speaker 5: that one is like, all right, we had a good movie,
Speaker 5: let's do the same thing and just kind of turn
Speaker 5: the dial up a little bit. And it just it
Speaker 5: felt a little bit disingenuous. It felt just like here
Speaker 5: we go. Here, here's the next installment, because you gotta
Speaker 5: do the next installment.
Speaker 4: Yeah, but that's Michelle.
Speaker 1: The biggest waste of time in the sense of the
Speaker 1: ant doing the drums side that we didn't need that one.
Speaker 1: We could have just had the other post and just done.
Speaker 1: We didn't need to. That was a waste.
Speaker 3: Irrationally hate that so much. I don't know why, all right, so.
Speaker 4: Much like Brent said, there's just something something in a
Speaker 4: movie you just don't know. You can't put your finger
Speaker 4: on it. This I can't put my finger on because
Speaker 4: I did recently rewatch this, but I did not watch
Speaker 4: this in or I just watched this in the trilogy,
Speaker 4: and I think, what a lot of people hate on it.
Speaker 4: I never loved or really enjoyed the film, but I
Speaker 4: didn't hate it, and I still don't hate it. But
Speaker 4: I'm gonna go uh Spider Man, uh, which is the
Speaker 4: second one Home Home?
Speaker 3: Probably?
Speaker 2: Yeah?
Speaker 4: Number two? Yeah, I just I remember, Yeah, Spiderman, Spider Man,
Speaker 4: Tom Hall and two. We watched this summer because we
Speaker 4: were in the mood with the girls watching some Spiderman stuff,
Speaker 4: and when we just watched that alone, because I know
Speaker 4: Brent's always point this out, but I'm usually not doing that,
Speaker 4: so and I just watched, and even the kids when
Speaker 4: we watched Spider Man Far from Home with no in Finney, woret,
Speaker 4: no endgame.
Speaker 3: Damn.
Speaker 4: That movie just it just doesn't even work. And that's
Speaker 4: where to me is like a film by itself. And
Speaker 4: if this is not a favorite, it's a best list.
Speaker 4: That's where I think there's other films that still can
Speaker 4: work even Civil War to a point. It's a big jump,
Speaker 4: but can work work far from home. It just feels
Speaker 4: especially from home coming to there and even little stuff
Speaker 4: right as far as to me, I was super excited
Speaker 4: when they had the home the cliffhanger of oh Aunt.
Speaker 4: Made's gonna know that Peter Spider Man and how's it
Speaker 4: handled the next movie? First finance they have a high five. Yeah,
Speaker 4: good job that you good job. You just be safe.
Speaker 4: That's it. That's such a huge moment that we've never
Speaker 4: gotten to Spider my movies auntme knowing Peter Parker and
Speaker 4: what comes with that. But he just goes on a
Speaker 4: trip and they barely interact. They have three scenes together.
Speaker 3: I think we just lost Travis.
Speaker 1: Yeah, they have three scenes together.
Speaker 4: Finished that for him, and so my WiFi was going out.
Speaker 5: I don't think you guys saw my shocked face when
Speaker 5: he said that, Like I was, cause that it's not
Speaker 5: in my.
Speaker 2: Bottom fifteen, but it's at least in like my top
Speaker 2: twenty five. And so when he said that, I.
Speaker 4: Was like, what, Yeah, that's a chakra.
Speaker 1: I've more soured on Far from Home over the years
Speaker 1: than when I originally did it. It wasn't in my
Speaker 1: top But the more I've watched it, the more I like, ugh,
Speaker 1: I really don't want to watch this.
Speaker 3: I still think it's a lot of fun, but it's
Speaker 3: you can't watch it like trying to watch it the
Speaker 3: way that Snell just said he did. It does not work.
Speaker 3: It is not part of a trilogy. Again, Marvel does
Speaker 3: not have trilogies, like you said, like, so it doesn't work.
Speaker 3: That's why you can't. What's the best book trilogy of
Speaker 3: all time? I don't know. The MCU doesn't have a
Speaker 3: comic book trilogy.
Speaker 1: It's any one you.
Speaker 3: Put them in it like they're just automatically out by default.
Speaker 3: They don't have one. But honestly, Deadpool is probably the
Speaker 3: closest in. It needs to go back to Fox Movies
Speaker 3: now for a trilogy. And Travis just said wi FI
Speaker 3: is causing.
Speaker 1: He guess what the original cruise, the new the backup
Speaker 1: cruise back. Well, it's my turn anyways to put one
Speaker 1: up since ce So what are you all right? I'm
Speaker 1: going back and forth between two actually three.
Speaker 3: But we only have room for one more.
Speaker 1: I know. So this this, this is where I'm debating
Speaker 1: right now. I've got tell us here three tell you
Speaker 1: that's what I'm gonna say. Like, my my three right
Speaker 1: now are Iron Man three, Age of Ultron, and Captain
Speaker 1: America Brave New World.
Speaker 4: I could tell you what I would pick.
Speaker 3: I think there's only one acceptable choice out of those three,
Speaker 3: but it's your call, so I'm not gonna say it.
Speaker 1: I will say Brave New World made the right choice,
Speaker 1: and Brave New World to me, had and I hate
Speaker 1: saying it because I it Sam Wilson's Captain America deserved
Speaker 1: a lot more, especially the way Falcon and Winter Soldier.
Speaker 1: I put Falcon War Soldier a lot higher in my face.
Speaker 1: In d C, DC MCU streaming shows like Upon, like
Speaker 1: I will rewatch that through and through and fall more
Speaker 1: in love with that show because of call it the messaging,
Speaker 1: call it like, there's so much going on with that.
Speaker 1: And for what happened with this movie that they should
Speaker 1: have had, there was just way too much they were
Speaker 1: jamming in there. It got very messy. I understand why
Speaker 1: the you know, people say, oh, you revealed the Red
Speaker 1: Hulk in that they had to reveal. There was no
Speaker 1: way they could have like avoided that.
Speaker 4: You know, the leader wasn't caring that movie in the marketing.
Speaker 1: Yeah, no way, and.
Speaker 4: Then the movie barely like it's still like it did
Speaker 4: well enough for them, but it didn't do probably what
Speaker 4: they were holding.
Speaker 1: Yeah, no, there was there's again, like we said, even
Speaker 1: the movies in the bottom, there's a lot to like
Speaker 1: about different ones in different scenes. But and I have
Speaker 1: a lot to like about Brave New World. I just
Speaker 1: cannot move it out of It's not the bottom for me,
Speaker 1: but it's definitely I can't claim it in midpack either.
Speaker 4: So okay, the Brave New World was Chris's last Yes
Speaker 4: things A lightning bolt took me out. So yeah, okay, eleven,
Speaker 4: we have eleven? How do we get eleven?
Speaker 1: What happened?
Speaker 4: Chris just wanted to get it in. There happen?
Speaker 1: There we go? Wait a minute, no, I was pretty confident.
Speaker 4: Man got separated. There there we go. So okay, So
Speaker 4: our bottom ten nominees are ant Man three, Am Wast, Quantumnia,
Speaker 4: Thor Love and Thunder, The Dark World, Ironman two, Black Widow,
Speaker 4: The Marbles, Eternals, Ant Man, A Wasp, Far from Home,
Speaker 4: and Brave New World.
Speaker 1: What do we want to claim that? I think it
Speaker 1: might be easier like bottom, like the last.
Speaker 4: Yeah, well, I thought it might be easy, but I
Speaker 4: don't know because I feel like you guys know because
Speaker 4: like for me, it is ant Man three, but I
Speaker 4: don't know. I think you guys have different bottoms.
Speaker 5: Yeah, the Dark World is is my bottom, but ant
Speaker 5: Man three is in the bottom three of mine.
Speaker 2: So if you were to make the case all that,
Speaker 2: I'd be like, okay, I.
Speaker 1: Could originally, like I haven't revisited my letterboxing a little bit,
Speaker 1: but I could easily. I would probably switch Dark World
Speaker 1: has been my bottom, but I would easily now switch
Speaker 1: it to quantu Mania just because of it. It was
Speaker 1: the beginning of like, ooh man, we're in trouble right now.
Speaker 1: You know this is this is not the way that's
Speaker 1: worked out.
Speaker 3: Just put media there.
Speaker 4: Yeah, the new for Gone movie is Okay, that makes
Speaker 4: some change.
Speaker 1: Then I would I would put Dark World is following
Speaker 1: that up.
Speaker 3: Dark Yeah, thirty seven would be Quantumdia. Yeah, thirty six
Speaker 3: would be Dark World, assuming well, I think David's okay
Speaker 3: with that as well. Let me don't let me speak
Speaker 3: for you, but you just said it was your bottom, so.
Speaker 5: Yeah, I'm I'm freezing up over here, so I don't
Speaker 5: know if you guys can hear me, But yes that
Speaker 5: I'm okay with that.
Speaker 4: So we're doing Dark World next, all right, I guess
Speaker 4: I just like so you guys all would if you're
Speaker 4: given the choice, Let's say you have to go see
Speaker 4: a new one in the movie or you guys see
Speaker 4: one in the theaters. Again, you would pick Dark World.
Speaker 3: I'd see any of them in the theaters.
Speaker 4: But I'm saying if you had one, you would see
Speaker 4: you would see Turtles over Dark World.
Speaker 1: Yes, well.
Speaker 3: From the from the quality of the movie, I'm gonna
Speaker 3: say yes, from uh king alone, i will like I
Speaker 3: think Eternals is a better made movie than Dark One,
Speaker 3: but different, right, But Dark World is more fun and
Speaker 3: got one of the biggest laughs out of me the
Speaker 3: entire MCU when Loki switches to Captain America. And but
Speaker 3: Dark World's more fun. But I think Eternals is better
Speaker 3: made and three hundred more episodes. Will do it again.
Speaker 3: But we'll do it from our favorites, not our.
Speaker 1: Best, God, but how big that list? We may have
Speaker 1: to do a couple of partners on that one.
Speaker 4: Yeah, all right, thor the Dark World. I won't fight
Speaker 4: you too. I'm not going to fight. I'm not going
Speaker 4: to go to bat for thor.
Speaker 3: Do you do you want e Turtles to be thirty five?
Speaker 4: This list one more time? I feel like that, but
Speaker 4: I just want to confirm what we got, because again
Speaker 4: I'm not as big a hater as Love as Thunder
Speaker 4: as other people. I think Eternals. I think Eturnals would
Speaker 4: be next for me out of these ones that we have,
Speaker 4: because we got rid of AMN three, we've got thor
Speaker 4: Dark World and.
Speaker 1: What else say about Love and Thunder? Like we say
Speaker 1: fun movie people say oh, people say fun, I mean
Speaker 1: it's bad like Love and Thunder. I think just got
Speaker 1: way too lost in the silly for certain things that
Speaker 1: didn't have to be as silly, you know, like I
Speaker 1: love we got the moment of Jane as as thor
Speaker 1: you know, I love that. I think that was great,
Speaker 1: but then we kind of lose the side of Okay,
Speaker 1: the cancer. It's just like wanted that to land a
Speaker 1: little bit more, and then we get the whole you know.
Speaker 5: The cancer did not hit as hard as it did
Speaker 5: in the comic books and the story in which any
Speaker 5: of this.
Speaker 1: ISAs on they hit they they really.
Speaker 2: Undersold the the harder emotional beats of it All.
Speaker 1: And Christian Bale I thought did great as Gore, but
Speaker 1: it was not as much as it could have been.
Speaker 1: I wasn't expecting Jason Aaron's full run of Gore the
Speaker 1: God Butcher, but definitely could have been better.
Speaker 3: So are you saying, are we saying thor the eleven
Speaker 3: Thunder should be next?
Speaker 1: I was just explaining a little bit more Thorder, Loan
Speaker 1: and Thunder, So if you know you're not gonna have to,
Speaker 1: you know I wouldn't put it next, But I'm fine
Speaker 1: wherever we put it. That I just that one. I'm
Speaker 1: the bottoms aren't necessarily going to worry me where we
Speaker 1: put them.
Speaker 4: Oh that's tough. I'm just trying to think.
Speaker 1: I could even make a case for Iron Man two
Speaker 1: going next.
Speaker 4: Really, goddamn Turtles or Marbles.
Speaker 3: You know, Snow really wants Eternals on this list.
Speaker 4: Also, like you guys, the same thing won't be It's
Speaker 4: hard on But for me, Black Widow also deserves somewhere
Speaker 4: on this list. I know gives Florence Pugh, but that
Speaker 4: movie is so vanilla and soul bland, and sure it's
Speaker 4: always about adaptation or inspiration. Task Masaker either way you
Speaker 4: want to. They just suck.
Speaker 3: But they followed up it was task Master and Thunderbolts,
Speaker 3: and she was pivotal to that movie.
Speaker 1: How pivotal she was gone.
Speaker 4: In the head. That one's just annoying because of it
Speaker 4: just being almost a very similar copy to another one
Speaker 4: and it being the first Black Widow movie just felt
Speaker 4: a little uninspired.
Speaker 3: But I do think I do think that, and it's
Speaker 3: probably been long enough that it's not color of your view.
Speaker 3: But when it came out, there was a lot of
Speaker 3: talk of the way Black Widow was released between because
Speaker 3: that is the only Marvel movie that did that Disney
Speaker 3: Premier thing where you could buy it on Disney Plus
Speaker 3: or go see it, and we I saw it both ways. Yeah,
Speaker 3: bought it. I saw it, bought it on premiere Access.
Speaker 3: My wife watched it and then wanted to go see
Speaker 3: it in theaters after watching it at home. But I
Speaker 3: really liked that movie. But it's it also is and
Speaker 3: maybe this is colors my color is my view of
Speaker 3: that movie. The other way, it had been like over
Speaker 3: a year and a half, two years or whatever since
Speaker 3: we had a Marvel movie. Yeah, because it was already
Speaker 3: gonna be a year out between Far From Home and
Speaker 3: the next movie was supposed to be a Black Widow.
Speaker 1: Got it? Welcome back to the movie trailer, God that
Speaker 1: hit that hit.
Speaker 3: Home, Welcome back to the movie. Yeah, we watched it
Speaker 3: at work and David, we were in that old conference room.
Speaker 3: We watched it, and it's such a good trailer. But
Speaker 3: I don't know, I feel like the whole black widow
Speaker 3: thing is it weird?
Speaker 5: One.
Speaker 3: I would not put it in the next like couple,
Speaker 3: but thirty thirty to thirty three I would be comfortable with.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I could see that.
Speaker 2: I would definitely say that.
Speaker 4: He would say the same thing.
Speaker 3: He would say the same thing and then this Hotel
Speaker 3: Wi Fi bites him again, Bess was because.
Speaker 4: That's probably I feel like all like even the like Okay,
Speaker 4: quantamea thor Dark World of those were the easy too.
Speaker 4: I feel like that's the thing with because like even
Speaker 4: what you're talking about Chris with thor Love and Thunder,
Speaker 4: And I'm not a big defender of like get the
Speaker 4: comedy wise, but with commedy being so hard on that,
Speaker 4: that's where it's very subjective, not the most subjective thing.
Speaker 4: And maybe that's where it's like, if you have that
Speaker 4: it's just like a popcorn fun time movie. That's where
Speaker 4: like there's none of the like.
Speaker 3: For me, just a movie you can turn your brain off,
Speaker 3: you know.
Speaker 1: I know, yeah that does. You can't actually do that,
Speaker 1: it is it is physically possible to do that.
Speaker 4: Yeah, it's funny. It feels like we all have one.
Speaker 4: I feel like we're probably gonna agree a lot in
Speaker 4: the middle of these, but feels like for our next
Speaker 4: we all have ones a lot higher than others or
Speaker 4: lower because like for me, it's eternals, but I feel
Speaker 4: like you guys are higher on that. And then there's
Speaker 4: like one like because even like I've put far from Home,
Speaker 4: but I don't think far from Home is next. I
Speaker 4: think it's like the higher echelon of this list. So
Speaker 4: I'm not I'm not completely against love and Thunder being next.
Speaker 4: I I'm looking at this list if it's kind of
Speaker 4: a bit of a crossroads because I can have an
Speaker 4: answer for it being there. You know where there's other ones.
Speaker 4: You know, amen was I'm that's the same thing on
Speaker 4: their verse Rhamad On that train, I had a really
Speaker 4: good time, Amn a wasp, but I enjoyed it. So
Speaker 4: I'm like you with black Waddle Brent, where that would
Speaker 4: be like higher up in the tier ranking for sure.
Speaker 3: Let's put leven Thunder next. And I say that knowing
Speaker 3: it's not my personal like it would not be my
Speaker 3: personal place for it. But if we're talking quality of
Speaker 3: how it was made of the movie versus you know,
Speaker 3: was it fun? Did we enjoy it like that? Yeah,
Speaker 3: I feel like I can make an argument that I
Speaker 3: think I could argue Black Widow is a better made
Speaker 3: movie than To and Love thor leven Thunder. I think
Speaker 3: I can make the same argument for Amen and The Loss,
Speaker 3: even though I had my issues with that movie too
Speaker 3: that I can't quite quantify, Like so unless unless Chris
Speaker 3: really puts Love and Thunder higher then.
Speaker 1: And again, some people give some a lot of hate
Speaker 1: to that movie. I just I don't hate the movie.
Speaker 1: I don't hate any of.
Speaker 3: These movies, and it certainly does not match up to
Speaker 3: its predecessor.
Speaker 1: No, it doesn't. I just think that it went much
Speaker 1: more silly than I I Again, it's a subjective opinion,
Speaker 1: but that movie, it was a movie that didn't need
Speaker 1: to go that silly.
Speaker 4: Yeah, And there's always gonna be a bottom, right if
Speaker 4: you like them all like doesn't like, if you enjoy these,
Speaker 4: you know, that's what we're doing today. So if we
Speaker 4: are speaking then in that terms as far as the
Speaker 4: filmmaking and as far as how it's constructed as a film,
Speaker 4: also wait till Dave gets back in. But that I
Speaker 4: feel I don't know which order, but to me, iron
Speaker 4: Man two and Brave New World got to be somewhere
Speaker 4: around there because I feel like both those have frankenstein
Speaker 4: Ish type of vibes, Brave New World especially, And that's
Speaker 4: a bit tougher too because iron Man two it wasn't
Speaker 4: as popular, where like Walk with Me, there are the
Speaker 4: online reports and every that changes nowadays is out there
Speaker 4: within a couple months. There's this, there's that, deadlines sput
Speaker 4: that out where iron Man two that's more stuff you
Speaker 4: learn after like, oh yeah, we kind of rushed through that,
Speaker 4: and we wanted to set up the Avengers and we
Speaker 4: did X, Y and Z, and Favreau was done, like
Speaker 4: that's why he didn't even because there was rumors he's
Speaker 4: gonna direct Avengers, and after Ireland two he's like, you know,
Speaker 4: I'm on at of here and he still stay on
Speaker 4: a producer and actor, but as a director, I think
Speaker 4: it really warmed down, so I feel those are in
Speaker 4: the similar love and thunder vein. I think I personally
Speaker 4: would go Brave New World next, and then Iron Man two.
Speaker 4: I do enjoy Iron Man two more in Brave New
Speaker 4: World as much as I actually really enjoy Harrison for
Speaker 4: in that movie doesn't have much that I returned back
Speaker 4: to where Ironman two still has, you know, the introduction,
Speaker 4: introduction of Natash, which I think is she's good there.
Speaker 4: We got Don Sheet on there, who is also good there.
Speaker 4: You know, I'm a tasier deal with it, but yeah, exactly. Yeah, so,
Speaker 4: and I think it's a I think there's still more
Speaker 4: of a movie there, even though it feels like a
Speaker 4: lot of set up at times, where Brave New World
Speaker 4: sometimes really does feel like an episode, it does not
Speaker 4: feel too complete. It definitely feels like, in my opinion,
Speaker 4: they should have reworked it in Winter Soldier, the themes
Speaker 4: they hit there had more of a theatrical, grandiose theme
Speaker 4: than Brave New World, even though he got a massive hult.
Speaker 4: Winter Soldiers just feels more in a theatrical sense. So
Speaker 4: I would go Brave New World.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I would agree with you on that and the
Speaker 1: other thing was, and I said it during a review,
Speaker 1: like I don't care about the Serpent Society. I love
Speaker 1: Jean Carlo Esposito with I think he's a great he
Speaker 1: does a good job in the movie. I have no
Speaker 1: care about what this organization is. I have no connection
Speaker 1: of what they're gonna do. I don't even consider it.
Speaker 1: I'm a threat, you know.
Speaker 3: Yeah, they're just to throw away people at the start
Speaker 3: of the movie.
Speaker 1: And that's what it is, a further knock against that movie.
Speaker 1: It's like, I'm not saying you have to care about
Speaker 1: everything about the villain. If I don't care about the
Speaker 1: villain and just think they're mustache, really, then it's a waste.
Speaker 3: Yeah, and he and s they had done with him
Speaker 3: like what they did with Batrock de Leeper in The
Speaker 3: Winter Soldier, where you only see him at the very beginning,
Speaker 3: and that's it. It almost would have worked better, correct
Speaker 3: because then it's just it's that opening establishing. Let's give
Speaker 3: you the fun action scene at the start with our
Speaker 3: new our hero and his new status quo and stuff
Speaker 3: like that show the show. Uh, well, at least what
Speaker 3: to the movie going audience was the new costume because
Speaker 3: let's be real, like, not everybody watched falcon in the
Speaker 3: Winter Soldier, but and for me, like the Captain America
Speaker 3: sub franchise of the MCU, I adore that that that movie,
Speaker 3: those those three movies plus Falcony the Winter Soldier, adore them.
Speaker 3: But Brave New World I'm like, you are the red
Speaker 3: headed step child other group. Like I hate to say it,
Speaker 3: but it is. So let's put it in there. When
Speaker 3: when David gets his computer fixed, you know, we'll give
Speaker 3: him an opportunity to to weigh in. Yeah, he won't
Speaker 3: mind if we fill in a couple of answers.
Speaker 4: I feel like you'll look at these be like, Okay,
Speaker 4: I can see he's not gonna push back. Yeah, Brave
Speaker 4: Old War. Well, what was the put Brave Old War?
Speaker 4: Brave Old I see a New World Order? I think
Speaker 4: that's what I'm still the original name for it originally? Yeah, okay?
Speaker 4: And then did we feel good about Iron Man two next?
Speaker 4: Or is that still?
Speaker 5: Yeah?
Speaker 4: Okay? So we got those off the boards.
Speaker 3: And that's stupid scene where he's sitting in a donut.
Speaker 3: I don't know why. It just always sticks out to.
Speaker 1: Me, sir, Can you please step out of the donut,
Speaker 1: and I feel like.
Speaker 4: These other wins all have had one of us talk
Speaker 4: more kindly, like like you know, oh and then so
Speaker 4: far for that Brent with Blackwold, Oh, I fight for
Speaker 4: that to be higher where Okay, is it Turtle's time?
Speaker 1: Turn it? Even with iron Man too?
Speaker 4: Is just like that.
Speaker 1: I know they were trying to do Demon in the Bottle.
Speaker 1: That wasn't a good version of Demon in the Bottle. No,
Speaker 1: they should have Honestly, they should have done Demon in
Speaker 1: the Bottle.
Speaker 4: Yeah, they should have done that, or they should just
Speaker 4: went more fun high jinks with like connecting MCU, setting
Speaker 4: up a venger, just make it. Oh, we're just gonna
Speaker 4: have a fun time with Downey here.
Speaker 3: But I will give him that fight at the end
Speaker 3: with Ironman and war Machine back to back against all
Speaker 3: the whatever things. Yeah, that was a question. I will
Speaker 3: give him that for fun. C GI spectacle and.
Speaker 1: We got an accurate war Machine.
Speaker 3: Look, yes, you look great.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 4: Uh so now we got Black Widow, the Marbles, the Eternals,
Speaker 4: Ant Man and the Wasp and far from Home.
Speaker 3: I'm going to vote Eternals.
Speaker 4: It's time for a turn.
Speaker 1: Yeah it is.
Speaker 4: We're stuck around, stuck around for a hot minute. Now
Speaker 4: you know it should have been a little lower. But
Speaker 4: I do agree with Yeah, I do agree with breadth though,
Speaker 4: like it is still a well made movie, and I
Speaker 4: understood people that enjoyed it. It just wasn't my cup
Speaker 4: of tea. But I also don't like that director's work. Really,
Speaker 4: I don't like any of my stuff. Kloy Joe. She
Speaker 4: makes beautiful looking films.
Speaker 1: But I uh, it was a swing. They took a swing, and.
Speaker 4: They now we're never getting any Celestials play another five years.
Speaker 4: We're not gonna find it.
Speaker 1: Are definitely not getting the Blade either.
Speaker 3: One Blade going to belade Super Wars.
Speaker 4: Marshall, he is going to be in there and people
Speaker 4: are gonna love him. Telling you it's gonna happen.
Speaker 3: This second Blade will be that guy who played him
Speaker 3: in the Team You show.
Speaker 1: That went from like, I stand by, I stand by
Speaker 1: what I said in the chatter earlier today, you're gonna
Speaker 1: get GTA six and seven before you get a new
Speaker 1: Blade movie. You'll get the Blade video game before you
Speaker 1: still get a Blade movie.
Speaker 4: I don't know about that. I think that game would
Speaker 4: be Yeah, we'll see, Okay.
Speaker 3: Okay, we're in the area that I requested Black Widow
Speaker 3: land in, so I don't care what you put it in.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, I'm fine with that too.
Speaker 4: I I do feel these three other ones, uh like, yeah,
Speaker 4: they're above Black Wido because at least I don't. And
Speaker 4: none of them, to me are Oh this is a
Speaker 4: lesser version of Blank. We're winning, that is Brave New
Speaker 4: World and Black Widow to me are always they're trying
Speaker 4: to be Winter Soldier and it's just not clicking.
Speaker 1: It's not that I'll make a case that Far from
Speaker 1: Home as the top of the bottom.
Speaker 4: Sold I think I'll get out voted. I wouldn't agree,
Speaker 4: but I'm fine too late.
Speaker 1: What would you put I want? I want to hear it.
Speaker 1: I'm not.
Speaker 4: It's it's still Aunt Man of Loss to me. And
Speaker 4: because of that reason of I you can still watch
Speaker 4: that movie primarily by itself Far from Home. You can
Speaker 4: not watch everything.
Speaker 1: You're right, Okay, I see, I see what you're saying.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I should be convinced.
Speaker 1: I could be convinced on that, And.
Speaker 4: Again that's what It's a little thing. But the whole
Speaker 4: point of ant Man one is this relationship between the
Speaker 4: father and the daughter and losing the wife and then
Speaker 4: the whole story of two is we gotta find your mom,
Speaker 4: we gotta find my wife. Where I said they set
Speaker 4: up the whole not the whole thing, but to me,
Speaker 4: I thought the ant mad thing was a big setup.
Speaker 4: And that's just kind of it's mom or somewhere else.
Speaker 4: And even like for a minor degree, when he comes
Speaker 4: into Far from Home and he's like, oh, I gotta
Speaker 4: get with m J and I gotta give her this gift.
Speaker 4: What happened, I know, like school happened to be, like
Speaker 4: what happened to be? He was in the Liz Allen
Speaker 4: and they were just kind of friends. There's a lot
Speaker 4: of missing.
Speaker 3: But she did move away.
Speaker 4: I mean, yeah, she strike that against me. For the record. Yeah,
Speaker 4: she's gone, and she's got some spider man I don't know,
Speaker 4: I don't know deal and her dad is the Vultar.
Speaker 3: Yeah, yes, and that's gonna put a damper on the.
Speaker 4: Releaseuses don't forget that Sony Universe of movies that died.
Speaker 4: He's stuck over there. I don't forget.
Speaker 3: God acknowledge that. Yeah, I don't know what you're talking about.
Speaker 4: Yeah, So that that's just my my pitch again. Nick
Speaker 4: Fury also being a scroll. I think as it's gone
Speaker 4: on now that's more of annoying now too.
Speaker 1: Between that, You're right, yeah, you went on, Yeah, Convince.
Speaker 4: Okay, that's that was my pitch.
Speaker 3: I'm going to give this one to Dravis. He he
Speaker 3: has sold me on it. I'm just gonna give the
Speaker 3: shout out to like, what that's the coolest spiderstn scenes
Speaker 3: we've ever seen?
Speaker 1: And now reflecting on Far from Home with this, like
Speaker 1: the scrolls, you know, Nick Fury and the leading scene,
Speaker 1: Oh my god, that.
Speaker 3: He Spiderson scene.
Speaker 4: Man, it's strange that it just feels like I felt
Speaker 4: we kind of got the gist that before because I
Speaker 4: don't think Secret Invasion was announced by Far from Home error,
Speaker 4: was it? I don't think so.
Speaker 1: No, it wasn't.
Speaker 4: So I felt we all thought like.
Speaker 3: Oh from Home was added when they when Civil War
Speaker 3: was announced, that the twenty fourteen announcement thing, it did
Speaker 3: not it went all the way to Avengers in game,
Speaker 3: it did not go too far from Home.
Speaker 4: And I feel like at that time I justified it
Speaker 4: by going, oh, you know what, probably the next Avengers
Speaker 4: movie that could be something really Secret Invasion scroll related.
Speaker 4: Right now, then they pivot to the show. But I
Speaker 4: think we all thought, oh, this is leading somewhere bigger
Speaker 4: and then where it lead. And also it'd be different
Speaker 4: if the project.
Speaker 3: Was we thought it was leading into Sword and that,
Speaker 3: which I know we didn't get Sword, but that could.
Speaker 1: Have been the Avengers movie that is missing in this
Speaker 1: like legitimately because because again it brings in the cosmic side,
Speaker 1: it brings in the post endgame kind of what's going
Speaker 1: on in the world, Who do we trust, what do
Speaker 1: we do? How do we deal with this? Like that
Speaker 1: was We've said it before. Not having an Avengers movie
Speaker 1: until now was one of Marvel's biggest mistakes, and putting
Speaker 1: Secret Invasion as a show was even bigger mistake.
Speaker 4: And the other thing too is imagine you could have
Speaker 4: characters that had blipped but didn't blip because scrawls were
Speaker 4: posing out of them. So imagine that when you come
Speaker 4: back and oh, no, you've been here a whole five years. No,
Speaker 4: I haven't been here.
Speaker 1: That was the perfect time for them to do.
Speaker 3: It's like saying, no, yeah, right, I'll give this a
Speaker 3: knock on far from Home. Well, I think I still
Speaker 3: think it's a hilarious scene. The fact that That was
Speaker 3: our next take on what happened with the blip, Like
Speaker 3: we saw everyone agree, but we didn't like it. Hilarious
Speaker 3: moment when those kids come blip back on the basketball court.
Speaker 3: But I do wish we had seen. I wish at
Speaker 3: some point we have seen. I still wish we had
Speaker 3: a project more set firmly during the blip.
Speaker 4: It feels it's such untapped potential. We still we never
Speaker 4: got and did we won't? Yeah, we won't now And
Speaker 4: isn't that was the perfect part for that, you know,
Speaker 4: it could have been something and that's where to your point.
Speaker 4: But that's the thing that bugs me too, is I
Speaker 4: get it. It's fine, it's movies, but every main character
Speaker 4: from Spider Man blipped, you know, and it's like Ned MJ.
Speaker 4: There friends Aunt May so there's no stakes for them.
Speaker 4: It's just Aunt made to be in the movie. Be like,
Speaker 4: oh and I blipped in someone's apartment. They thought I
Speaker 4: was having an affair with their husband and it's just
Speaker 4: it's just a joke. But it's like, well, couldn't one
Speaker 4: of those characters even because remember there was a time
Speaker 4: I feel like something changed where we thought Anti Ma
Speaker 4: didn't blip, but then they changed it so that she
Speaker 4: did blip and that thing where it would have been great,
Speaker 4: same thing of some motive something there with it, but
Speaker 4: it was just very kind of off the side. So
Speaker 4: but also to defend it, Mysterio's fantastic in that movie,
Speaker 4: Love Monsterira, all the stuff. They are great visuals, that
Speaker 4: whole sequence. Then Spiderman the snow globe. I wish he
Speaker 4: wasn't dead. I'm always mad that John Hall only signed
Speaker 4: up one movie deal. So and by proxy that makes
Speaker 4: the Marvels twenty eight, I guess because we had that
Speaker 4: hang around. So the Marvels, which you know, I'm actually
Speaker 4: fine with because it's not like a It's not an
Speaker 4: awful movie. Those three really like. I could make a
Speaker 4: case that in these movies all down Below has nothing
Speaker 4: as good, maybe the Mysterio stuff. So I might be
Speaker 4: counting myself right, but those three together is a super
Speaker 4: big highlight. Even in a very just kind of fine movie.
Speaker 4: They are something that you want to see more of.
Speaker 4: Like Eternals, I don't think we're gonna get to see
Speaker 4: more of them together. I'm hoping Amon is in Doomsday
Speaker 4: or Secret War. She didn't get a chair, and I
Speaker 4: just feel like, I get it. Miss Marvel's low rated.
Speaker 4: The Marvels don't do well, but a'mon and Miss Marvel
Speaker 4: is such a perfect match.
Speaker 1: She's she's gonna be in one of them. I'm very
Speaker 1: confident she's somewhere.
Speaker 4: My worry is like it's but I was hoping supporting character,
Speaker 4: not just somewhere. I'm hoping it's not just you know
Speaker 4: Roady in uh in Findy War where he has one
Speaker 4: scene with Ross and that's it. Like I was hoping
Speaker 4: she'd be a part of the squad. And I hope
Speaker 4: I'm wrong. I hope that's the case.
Speaker 3: But you know, the Marvels does have that really inventive
Speaker 3: like early on action scene where they're all bouncing back
Speaker 3: and forth between each other and they're different scenarios and
Speaker 3: they don't know what's going on yet. Like that was
Speaker 3: a really well constructed, well edited especially so yeah.
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Speaker 1: in the middle. So David is still not back, but
Speaker 1: he did say that this was going to be the
Speaker 1: possibility he may not come back, but okay, we'll see.
Speaker 4: Well, damn, I know, I was trying to look for
Speaker 4: some funny thing. Now I got, I got, you know,
Speaker 4: all right, are we trying to do like from eleven
Speaker 4: down or twenty seven up?
Speaker 3: Now that's it might just be call stuff out which
Speaker 3: it's called. Yeah, for what it's worth, I personally would
Speaker 3: put Wakana Forever, Shu Chee, and thor radyr Rock all
Speaker 3: very high in this list.
Speaker 4: There is Guardians three as well.
Speaker 1: No argument, Yeah, no argument with the Guardians three. Yeah
Speaker 1: that that that that is definitely I think I would
Speaker 1: put Guardians too towards the bottom of the middle.
Speaker 4: Except yeah, I'm a big defender. I'm maybe the only person.
Speaker 4: I'm not the only person. I'm sure's others out there.
Speaker 3: Like me, but I'm the only I'll defend it with you.
Speaker 4: But no, I mean, I have it as my favorite
Speaker 4: of the trilogy.
Speaker 3: No never mind, I'm out No, that's what I mean.
Speaker 4: Don't don't jump aboard yet. Don't jump aboard yet.
Speaker 3: I think it's a great movie. Yeah, I do think
Speaker 3: it's a great movie. I do think it's overheted. I
Speaker 3: don't think it's anywhere near volumes one and three.
Speaker 1: Correct.
Speaker 4: Okay, so we got a lot of sequels, so fat.
Speaker 3: That one shot sequence in volume three.
Speaker 1: Love that that movie hit. I was not prepared for
Speaker 1: that movie to hate as hard as it did.
Speaker 3: It's that movie. I was so thankful they all survived.
Speaker 3: Even if we never see them again, they're out there somewhere.
Speaker 1: God, I still remember I had I was off the
Speaker 1: grid for for a because I was out of country
Speaker 1: at that point and having to I think that was as.
Speaker 1: I think that was probably the first movie I missed
Speaker 1: for major movie. I don't count Venom as I missed.
Speaker 3: That doesn't count. I mean, yeah, no MCU movie. I
Speaker 3: believe that is the Is that the only one you've missed?
Speaker 1: I think that's the only one I've missed for released weekend?
Speaker 3: Yeah, because we actually saw David and I saw that
Speaker 3: early at an advanced screening with a friend of ours
Speaker 3: from work, and then my wife went with us and
Speaker 3: we were able to get into that one early.
Speaker 4: What was the other two? I completely forgot we went off.
Speaker 1: I have inste Ragnarok and shun Chi shunk She okay,
Speaker 1: son right, okay, well kind of forever.
Speaker 5: It's just.
Speaker 1: That's in my top ten just because of everything that movie.
Speaker 1: That movie is was all the warriors and everything like that,
Speaker 1: and they still, despite everything, still land that movie and
Speaker 1: was set up before we'll say it again Beset just
Speaker 1: lands that that that I've given everything.
Speaker 4: M yeah, I'm with you on that because I feel
Speaker 4: like that movie has turned into very similar, similar to
Speaker 4: like the better version of Love and Thunder as far
Speaker 4: as like people defending it or really not liking it. Obviously,
Speaker 4: there's lots of people that don't like it because it's
Speaker 4: like a funeral movie, or there's the big camp of
Speaker 4: people that hated it. They should have just recast. I
Speaker 4: am a big defender of it. I'm fine with it
Speaker 4: being super high. I also, you know this is tres
Speaker 4: have told you. That's where you got to see Ryan
Speaker 4: Cooler stretch those horror vibes when he did that boat scene,
Speaker 4: when they all came up. That was when I was like, Okay,
Speaker 4: this guy wants to make a horror movie, and I
Speaker 4: guess what he did make an Academy War winning horror movie.
Speaker 4: Not too long. But for me at this out of
Speaker 4: these four, I guess because this is a clear one,
Speaker 4: because it's even for better for me, Wakanda is I
Speaker 4: have it at the top out of these four sure
Speaker 4: for multitude of reason.
Speaker 3: As good as it is, it's not as good as
Speaker 3: it would have been originally. Like we all know that,
Speaker 3: we all everybody knows that. But yeah, they they pulled
Speaker 3: it off under impossible circumstances.
Speaker 1: And that end sequence where we see to chill sun.
Speaker 1: At that point, it's like, okay, you just set up
Speaker 1: for the future of the possibility of carrying on a legacy.
Speaker 3: And as someone who did not want the recast, I
Speaker 3: was thankful for the route they took.
Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, no, and I was finally and now I'm
Speaker 4: final that if we get there. And also Nay more
Speaker 4: was great. I really enjoyed it.
Speaker 1: Oh, I think he did agree that the whole attack
Speaker 1: sequence on it, that's yes.
Speaker 3: Perfect, It's been long enough. If they go if if
Speaker 3: they do a full recast now or they just age
Speaker 3: either way, like I'm okay with it. Now, but I
Speaker 3: it was for me personally, it was too soon.
Speaker 4: I also think, like I know, everyone has their takes,
Speaker 4: but it's like again, it's their movie, and I think
Speaker 4: it could have been too soon for that cast. You know,
Speaker 4: I don't know if they wanted to do that right now,
Speaker 4: and I think it it worked for and they took
Speaker 4: big swings right. I was, you know, my spoilers, but
Speaker 4: like I was super surprised Angela Bassett died in the movie.
Speaker 4: I thought, no way, there's no way they're killing a
Speaker 4: character like that. It's gonna be We're gonna do the
Speaker 4: best I can. We're gonna play it safe. We're gonna
Speaker 4: introduce Naymore. He's super cool. We got lots of cool
Speaker 4: water stuff to do with them. But I still think,
Speaker 4: just like the first one, it took massive swings. I
Speaker 4: don't we had hit on the level the first one obviously,
Speaker 4: but they also had a lot going on against it
Speaker 4: because we've seen Dark Knight Rises, We've seen right and
Speaker 4: to me, right skoy Walker is a lesser version of that,
Speaker 4: right with Kerrie Fisher and I don't be smudge them
Speaker 4: because what can you do? And they're just trying their
Speaker 4: best with it, but I think this was a good
Speaker 4: version of trying.
Speaker 1: To move forward.
Speaker 4: So okay, we've got Garden Street, Sungshi and Thwart Ragnarrock.
Speaker 1: I think I got to a look at the list.
Speaker 1: I'm not sure.
Speaker 4: You guys know where I am in Sung Chi. So
Speaker 4: it's gonna come down to you guys. Where you guys,
Speaker 4: if you rate, if you both frank it really high,
Speaker 4: then I got no problem putting up there. I still
Speaker 4: like these other two. Again, I do not dislike Sung Chi.
Speaker 4: It's just a tad overhyped. And I don't love that
Speaker 4: third act once. Uh, when Wu goes away, I think
Speaker 4: that movie starts to to tick. I would have taken
Speaker 4: a much longer third act with when Wu versus the Dragon.
Speaker 4: For me, that's where I'm always.
Speaker 3: So it's at the last ten minutes you don't.
Speaker 4: Like, yeah, because I feel like the whole movie is
Speaker 4: building two more of that, And there's others up There's
Speaker 4: like the who's the rate Razor fist everything with him Razor,
Speaker 4: There's and that's it's like little stuff along the way
Speaker 4: that it's not just that, but that's the big one
Speaker 4: that I felt like that where the third act for
Speaker 4: me a black panther. It feels like if T'Challa took
Speaker 4: out Killmonger and then he fought a gigantic panther. That's
Speaker 4: where some she's like some she was very close for
Speaker 4: for me for singing those levels. But yeah, I think
Speaker 4: even Trevor, he's a character I've like grown alike. Maybe
Speaker 4: Treor's a bit too much in that movie. But you know,
Speaker 4: I've one rand fantastic Trevor Morris.
Speaker 3: Somewhere in my house. I have a stuffed animal of Morris.
Speaker 4: Sol O Morris Trevor, Like, what Ben Kingsley? Why do
Speaker 4: you have Ben Kingsley stuck?
Speaker 5: Guy?
Speaker 4: I can't defend that. Your mom fan's gone too far.
Speaker 4: Look at my plush of Kingsley as Morris pass that
Speaker 4: passes on both sides.
Speaker 1: So we moved Guardians after Wakanda correct.
Speaker 4: I said it was a few guys with these.
Speaker 1: I'm good at the Guardians going next actual Conda.
Speaker 4: That's fine, okay, I'll be I can me in the
Speaker 4: middle where we go Guardians sung she thor.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I even want to possibly put thunderbolts in that mix.
Speaker 4: Now, Oh, I forgot about the bolts.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 1: See, that's the thing where I want I think after Guardians,
Speaker 1: I want to put Thunderbolts.
Speaker 3: God, Thunderbolts was really good, like Justice my one knock
Speaker 3: or My biggest knock. When the hell did Bucky get
Speaker 3: into freaking Congress, Like it's in between Brave New World
Speaker 3: and no he well, yeah, because he was running for
Speaker 3: the world. But yeah, like that storyline is out of nowhere.
Speaker 1: It is, that's not it's not a bad knock.
Speaker 4: It's in the in the world. Then I can believe
Speaker 4: that they just be like, oh, sure, this guy who
Speaker 4: assassinated maybe thousands of people, he's run for office now.
Speaker 3: And it is a good movie though, and it's different.
Speaker 3: The villain is different because the villain is basically mental
Speaker 3: health supposed to like they don't win with you know,
Speaker 3: overcoming the dragon or whatever.
Speaker 5: You know that.
Speaker 4: Yeah, so it's a hug.
Speaker 3: It's right, the power of you know love. I guess
Speaker 3: the Caramet stare wins in the.
Speaker 1: Hey, you know what the the end credit song come
Speaker 1: on Starship Perfect.
Speaker 4: Yeah, No, I am in with Chris. I forgot about
Speaker 4: the Bolts. I would put the Bolts over.
Speaker 3: Under get them up there Underbolts, And I know David
Speaker 3: was a big fan of it.
Speaker 4: And then what sung she and thor that sound good?
Speaker 1: Next list, just seeing if there's anything else that could land.
Speaker 4: There is one. I'm very I'm not gonna say it
Speaker 4: because I don't anything. I'm surprised that I say it yet. No,
Speaker 4: I don't want to say it. I don't want to
Speaker 4: come up yet.
Speaker 1: Oh okay, okay, you keep your secrets then, but.
Speaker 3: I mean some of it. Remember like that there's at
Speaker 3: least one on this list. There's two on this list
Speaker 3: that me personally, I would have way higher. But that's
Speaker 3: what it's about. Compromise. It's about compromise.
Speaker 1: I say, I say, put it up there right now.
Speaker 1: I think we might end up revisiting.
Speaker 4: Okay, yeah, this is one that I'll throw it now
Speaker 4: where I This is another one I feel like came
Speaker 4: at last year. It's very kind of all over the
Speaker 4: place with people. I'm a massive and I do not
Speaker 4: like really they're fine. I'm not a big F four guy.
Speaker 4: I love that movie. I would have that under the bolts.
Speaker 4: But I understand because there's a lot of other people
Speaker 4: that don't a lot of people think it's kind of
Speaker 4: like an ok MCU movie. It feels like it's like
Speaker 4: a small division type of movie.
Speaker 3: But it sure did some great stuff in it.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I think there's some nailed Yeah, Galactus itself is great,
Speaker 4: you know, c Baby aside thematically that stuff is great.
Speaker 4: There's not too many marriage storylines in the MC like
Speaker 4: that that bring an actual good weight to what's the problem.
Speaker 4: You know.
Speaker 1: So here's here's what. Here's two I'll put up next
Speaker 1: help Incredible Hulk, Doctor Strange, Multiverse and Madness. And the
Speaker 1: only reason I'll put Multiverse and Madness above Incredible Hulk
Speaker 1: is just and this is a big if and this
Speaker 1: is going on, what is getting ready to happen, is
Speaker 1: just the impact of what Multiverse Madness put out there
Speaker 1: and what it's leading to Doomsday and secret wars over
Speaker 1: Incredible Hulk.
Speaker 4: Hmm.
Speaker 1: That's but again, that's something we don't know. So I'm
Speaker 1: putting something out there that we.
Speaker 3: Argument I do not accept.
Speaker 1: That's fun. You don't have to accept it. I just
Speaker 1: put it out there.
Speaker 3: It'd be nice if it worked out that way. But
Speaker 3: if we're honest, they're followed through this space the last
Speaker 3: couple of NI I accept that hasn't been as strong,
Speaker 3: which is a kind way to put it.
Speaker 4: And now I'm just trying to think, like if it's
Speaker 4: for like better movie incredible and I'm not even saying
Speaker 4: this is next, just like Incredible Hole versus Multiverse of Madness.
Speaker 4: I'm just trying to think, because.
Speaker 1: If it's not ignoring the installage debate of what they
Speaker 1: bring in the cameos, that's not that.
Speaker 4: I think he's in a different.
Speaker 3: Way to I forgot about. Yeah, like that, I was
Speaker 3: thinking of like the music, battle sequence and stuff. Well,
Speaker 3: it's inventive and it's different.
Speaker 7: And I'm a Sam Raimi fan, so yeah, I think
Speaker 7: in a favorite strange Yeah, I prefer multiverse mentas in
Speaker 7: the Favorite Realm, but I think with the arc that
Speaker 7: Norton goes on in the movie, Hulk is better.
Speaker 4: Also, I'm not saying one of these is next, but
Speaker 4: I think Hulk, I think is a better movie than
Speaker 4: U gave us the best version of Hulk still yet
Speaker 4: I will go by he's a discovery man.
Speaker 1: That does Hulk come before? Like does Help come after
Speaker 1: Thunderbolts above shunk Chi and the Ragnarok.
Speaker 3: That's tough because we still got there's I'm going to
Speaker 3: bring up to Captain America the first Avender. Yeah, if
Speaker 3: we if we're we're gonna start talking Hulk conceivably next
Speaker 3: then I'm like, yeah, I gotta say something at this point.
Speaker 3: And the same with Spider Ma and Homecoming Captain America.
Speaker 3: The First Avenger, I think is a fantastic telling of
Speaker 3: his his origin story The Red School. My only knock
Speaker 3: on the Red Skull is Hugo eaven wouldn't come back,
Speaker 3: which is maybe not a fair knock against that movie.
Speaker 3: And I love the way that Bucky was handled. And
Speaker 3: I like the twist of Bucky and Cap knowing each
Speaker 3: other before the war, and my twist isn't the right phrase.
Speaker 3: I like the difference from the comic scnon of Bucky
Speaker 3: and a cat and knowing it. Yeah he's not He's
Speaker 3: not a kid. He Bucky is not Robin in the
Speaker 3: in d MCU the way he.
Speaker 4: Is a metics. No one's gonna say it, but like,
Speaker 4: sometimes some things are for the best, and that that
Speaker 4: worked back then. But I feel like like what Brent's
Speaker 4: alluding to is much better as his patriot, you know,
Speaker 4: like what is the contemporary in that?
Speaker 3: Yeah, And then as far as Spider Man, Homecoming goes
Speaker 3: the Vulture a full Spider Man movie in Marvel Studios. Like, yes,
Speaker 3: I enjoyed the Iron Man cameos in it, but just
Speaker 3: seeing the way Spider Man would deal with how you
Speaker 3: would get around like in Queens and stuff like that
Speaker 3: when there wasn't as much to swing off of like
Speaker 3: we actually saw it. So I'm not saying they have
Speaker 3: to be next, but if we're gonna bring up like
Speaker 3: The Incredible Hulk, I got to bring up those two movies.
Speaker 4: So so far, the ones we brought up in just
Speaker 4: the stream of Consciousness is CAP One, Hulk, F four,
Speaker 4: Doctor Strange, Multiverse of Madness, and I think and Homecoming
Speaker 4: those are the five. And I kind of agree from
Speaker 4: this list, what's left for people? I guess that if
Speaker 4: you don't add a visual I have. We have Incredible Hulk,
Speaker 4: The War, Captain America for as Avenger, I'm in three,
Speaker 4: Age of altront Ant Man, Doctor Strange, Karen's Galaxy two, Homecoming,
Speaker 4: Captain Marvel, Multiverse Madness, and F four. I think the
Speaker 4: five that we just talked about Cap One, Hulk, F four,
Speaker 4: Doctor Versus Molon, Doctor Verse, Doctor Strange, multivers A, Madness
Speaker 4: in My mad and then Homecoming. I think those are
Speaker 4: the five stronger from this list. Is there any down
Speaker 4: that we haven't talked that you would include in this
Speaker 4: next batch for you guys.
Speaker 1: No, I think the ones that are left have are
Speaker 1: definitely lower and different rates for different reasons.
Speaker 5: Yeah.
Speaker 1: I think, well, it's even hard you want to.
Speaker 3: Make your argument for Guardians wanting two.
Speaker 4: No, I feel like I'm more what about it? Like,
Speaker 4: look at that one, I understand.
Speaker 1: Here's the other thing. Even putting the original Thor on there,
Speaker 1: I think that's the strongest of what we haven't named yet.
Speaker 4: I mostly would agree. Other than me being a big
Speaker 4: Guardians defender, I love that first thor a lot. I
Speaker 4: wish we did stick that way a little bit. I
Speaker 4: guess they did with Dark Worll. That just wasn't the
Speaker 4: best executed. But yeah, I could put the ward next
Speaker 4: to the ball. Yeah. I think I might be with
Speaker 4: Brent because even though the favorites, I think cap One
Speaker 4: would like I don't know if he was pitching it next,
Speaker 4: I would be fine with cap One next. I know
Speaker 4: there's a lot of people that love that movie. It
Speaker 4: created a different era and five for the MCU in
Speaker 4: just like doing a period piece, which they didn't have
Speaker 4: to right they could just skip ahead and found in
Speaker 4: the block place.
Speaker 7: Well.
Speaker 1: They also put had a perfect director in the I'm
Speaker 1: a huge fan of the Rocketeer. This was the perfect
Speaker 1: director for this of what you get so much rocket
Speaker 1: to your vibes from.
Speaker 3: It's like a doctor Strange. It's a good match of
Speaker 3: director and character and story.
Speaker 1: Mm hmm. Yeah. I could to say Cap next, I'm
Speaker 1: good with that.
Speaker 4: Okay, I just just seem to seeing my personal rings.
Speaker 4: I've just seen Okay, Cap next and everyone find Cat. Yeah, okay,
Speaker 4: Cap going there. I guess I was just seeing Cap
Speaker 4: under throw Ragnrock, and I was just questioning myself if
Speaker 4: I agreed with Cap being under throw rag Rock. We
Speaker 4: can always return that another time, but I'll put it
Speaker 4: there in America first.
Speaker 3: Avenger I would put.
Speaker 1: I would put Cap above Ragnarok.
Speaker 4: I I would now, I think when at first when
Speaker 4: they first came out, didn't Captain America has age better
Speaker 4: for me than Ragnarok. But I'm not like also like
Speaker 4: gonna fight tooth and nail if also we don't have Damier.
Speaker 4: But Brent, how do you feel about those two? Do
Speaker 4: you feel happy with that? Raki a thor over.
Speaker 3: Captain I'm okay with it. I personally would swap them.
Speaker 4: Let's swap them, okay, so we'll swap them, okay.
Speaker 3: And I don't know how David would feel about those
Speaker 3: two movies dated.
Speaker 1: I'm sorry, David, he's seen this.
Speaker 4: No, I hate Oh God, what are you doing? What
Speaker 4: do they do?
Speaker 3: No?
Speaker 1: Hard, I've worked for this, the.
Speaker 4: Next four, F four, Hulk, multivers Madness, Homecoming, and the
Speaker 4: wor I guess we have that there. Hm hmm. He's
Speaker 4: a tricky I feel like they're all in the ballpark.
Speaker 1: I'm debating Homecoming in Hulk right now.
Speaker 4: I'm with you on the Hulk. I'm a Hulk. F
Speaker 4: four guy, that's where I am.
Speaker 3: Okay, I was more uh F four Spider Man.
Speaker 4: Okay, So that's the next three.
Speaker 3: If we know that those aren't there?
Speaker 4: Four Homecoming, yeah, and then F four at next Okay,
Speaker 4: So I got Hulk, we got we.
Speaker 3: Can let Hulk go first. Just throw Edward Norton a bone. Well,
Speaker 3: I would put it at the bottom of ian. I
Speaker 3: did really enjoy that movie.
Speaker 2: I still have.
Speaker 1: They finally landed Fantastic four with what had been missing
Speaker 1: for so long. I mean, check out our retro reviews.
Speaker 4: God, you know, and that's that's some of that's very
Speaker 4: similar Captain America thing, where they have that vibe and aesthetic.
Speaker 4: They did it very well. You can argue that's what
Speaker 4: they're kind of riffing on.
Speaker 1: But but that's what they should have done. That was
Speaker 1: like the perfect way. Let's let's just put them back
Speaker 1: to with the air they were created in. That was
Speaker 1: a good move and it worked.
Speaker 4: Okay, So now the last we had was Doctor Strange,
Speaker 4: Multiverse Madness or Thor.
Speaker 1: Hm hmm.
Speaker 4: Again, I think I like Multiverse Madness war, but I
Speaker 4: think thor is it's better film. I think, even though
Speaker 4: people want to, I get it. We had to string
Speaker 4: on very bad stuff in the first phase. They delivered Loki,
Speaker 4: who is an amazing film. I'm not even telling Avengers.
Speaker 4: He is amazing in Thor. That arc that he has
Speaker 4: with Anthony Hopkins and his brother, that alone, I think.
Speaker 1: Yeah, maybe the impact to your point of Loki, Yes,
Speaker 1: that that that that puts it above Doctors Strange and
Speaker 1: Multiverse Madness.
Speaker 4: Yeah, okay, twenty oh we got I mean.
Speaker 1: For kind of taking the villain and making him one
Speaker 1: of the turning him basically where he's at right now
Speaker 1: is a hero.
Speaker 4: And it was believable too, the arc that gave him
Speaker 4: in Thor, the reason he would be turning right so okay.
Speaker 1: And the payoff for how he ends that movie, the
Speaker 1: payoff of that line. Yeah, to to Loki season two,
Speaker 1: come on, Okay.
Speaker 4: So now we're down to the final sixth year Iron
Speaker 4: Man three age of Aul Tromp, an Man, Doc Strange, Guardian, Guardians,
Speaker 4: Galaxy Volunteer, and Captain Marvel. Hmm, these are tough. These
Speaker 4: are all similar. I think they're similar, like have highlights,
Speaker 4: good stuff, good performances, but also not like none of
Speaker 4: these other than I guess yeah, for me, it's Guardian,
Speaker 4: but I know there's other people that have it lower.
Speaker 4: Taking that out of my bias there none of these
Speaker 4: are ones that I'm constantly I gotta watch this one.
Speaker 4: You know, I've watched all these movies multiple times, but
Speaker 4: none of them are the go tos, like you know,
Speaker 4: like a even f four Thunderbolts will be, or like
Speaker 4: a multi Verse a Madness, or like an Incredible Hole.
Speaker 1: I would almost say next is the original Doctor Strange
Speaker 1: out of this group.
Speaker 4: I think you're right. I don't know you're right, but
Speaker 4: I think you're right.
Speaker 3: Yeah, that's fine. Doctor Strange works.
Speaker 4: So Doctor Strange and NOx Strange two at twenty one
Speaker 4: twenty two, so they got they got that little area
Speaker 4: carved out in the MCU. Okay, so Strange is gone. Yeah,
Speaker 4: that's out of here. So now I feel like you
Speaker 4: have kind of two safe movies with an captain Marvel.
Speaker 4: You have two movies, iron Man three and Age of
Speaker 4: Ultron that are very debated upon because they know people
Speaker 4: that love iron Man three, right, and I know people
Speaker 4: that hate iron Yeah, And I think Gardens is like
Speaker 4: right in the middle where it's kind of looked at.
Speaker 4: It's like for most people, not me, but most people like, oh,
Speaker 4: it's like the lesser sql.
Speaker 1: What I what I always say I love about Iron
Speaker 1: Man three, and this is what it. I compare it
Speaker 1: a little bit to Thunderbolts. It's like, we get a
Speaker 1: movie that deals with, yes, Tony dealing with something that
Speaker 1: literally he died and he's trying to deal with everything.
Speaker 1: That's the biggest thing I enjoy about that movie is
Speaker 1: delving into how does a hero deal with what just happened.
Speaker 4: It's not demon the battle, but it's more down the
Speaker 4: bottle than an iron you know, like it's hitting more
Speaker 4: in those themes.
Speaker 1: With the character development is what I love about that movie.
Speaker 3: And while I do between what we have left, Age
Speaker 3: of Ultron is my favorite out of them. But I
Speaker 3: understand why it's polarized and I understand why people have
Speaker 3: their knocks against it. Iron Man three does have Trevor,
Speaker 3: and I do think Trevor is hilarious.
Speaker 1: I will never see him coming, but.
Speaker 3: I'm I'm a guy that I like all kidding aside,
Speaker 3: like I was like the Mandarin at the time, like
Speaker 3: the Mandarin from the comics, who was the Iron Man
Speaker 3: like villain was never gonna work. No, it was never bad.
Speaker 3: It hasn't been to the seven of you out there.
Speaker 3: He's not anybody's favorite character, no, And so I thought
Speaker 3: it was a fantastic twist on the Mandarin. I loved it.
Speaker 4: I can. I can understand other things where Peoter, like
Speaker 4: why is Tony Hanel with a kid for twenty five?
Speaker 4: I can go, Okay, yeah, this is my favorite thing
Speaker 4: either right or it kind of goes nowhere. I get
Speaker 4: other people hate that he's barely in the suit. Not
Speaker 4: a thing for me, but I'm I'm fine. Iron in
Speaker 4: three here for that arc at twenty three. I am
Speaker 4: in three at twenty three. Yeah, okay, I'm luck three.
Speaker 4: We're down to our final four.
Speaker 1: Of not the best, definitely not the worst, but not
Speaker 1: the best.
Speaker 3: Mile four spots not.
Speaker 4: Yes, sorry, yeah, duking it out. My pitch is Guardians, Ultron,
Speaker 4: and Man Cat Marvel. That's where I am Guardians. I
Speaker 4: think still I'll take Ego and Kurt Russell over Ultron
Speaker 4: as far as the villain arcs there, I'm with Brent
Speaker 4: that I think Ultron is a little over hated, But
Speaker 4: I also don't think it's like deserves like a like
Speaker 4: a gold star or anything. Right, it does feel like, okay,
Speaker 4: that's very much like what people say about Gardians, the
Speaker 4: lesser of the two, right, Ultron and I'd say almost
Speaker 4: most rankings, if you pulled most Marvel fans of the
Speaker 4: Marvel Avengers movies, that's always at the bottom, right, it is,
Speaker 4: it's like a collection of the three, but then the fourth.
Speaker 4: So I just say with Guardians, there's some other stuff there.
Speaker 4: The yawned like, I don't think Altron is anything as
Speaker 4: good as the Yond funeral on the sendoff for that
Speaker 4: character of so I wasn't your daddy, but I was
Speaker 4: your father, whatever he said, and then the music like
Speaker 4: fathers and Son playing at the end and when crying
Speaker 4: the fireworks good more hill my mom. Oh yeah. And
Speaker 4: again that's why I hate everybody when they hate on
Speaker 4: star Lord. They set that up. He did the same
Speaker 4: thing in Guardians Too. What's the first thing he did.
Speaker 4: He shot his dad in the head twice. They just
Speaker 4: didn't kill him. They set up that character to freak out.
Speaker 4: That's what he does. So that was perfectly in line. People.
Speaker 3: That's a really good point. But everyone misses that stupid
Speaker 3: glove was coming off a Thano's head and then he
Speaker 3: snapped out of it. Yeah, I'm not even convinced it
Speaker 3: was star Lord who snapped him out of it. That
Speaker 3: glove was coming off his hands. Peter was pulling the glove.
Speaker 1: Of I blame the scrolls, Parker. Look, you know the scrolls.
Speaker 4: That wasn't Fantos, That was scroll Fantos.
Speaker 1: But I exactly love that.
Speaker 3: Point that they set it up in Guardians Too though,
Speaker 3: of his reat when he when his loved one is killed. Yeah,
Speaker 3: and I love that. That's a great point that I
Speaker 3: honestly never considered.
Speaker 4: He's he's a hothead. He's he's kind of airheading in
Speaker 4: that way he is.
Speaker 1: I don't think anyone doubts he's not an a.
Speaker 4: Yeah he's, but he's literally the heart on his sleeve
Speaker 4: type of character.
Speaker 3: He's from Missouri, is.
Speaker 5: Uh.
Speaker 4: That's my pitch for Guardians over age of Ultron that
Speaker 4: I think movie quality similar, but I think they just
Speaker 4: have bigger moments in Guardians that kind of pay for
Speaker 4: We're Agent Ultron. I don't think anyone's talking about any
Speaker 4: thing like the yondw fun roll or ego, like even
Speaker 4: the planet right, you know.
Speaker 1: So it'll be interesting to see what we get with
Speaker 1: Vision Quest.
Speaker 4: Yes, that's gonna be I I could see that show
Speaker 4: having a very similar route to and Or, where it's
Speaker 4: not watched in like a GA show, but it could
Speaker 4: be very deep and heady and a lot of the
Speaker 4: like mar the same way with Star Wars fans. There's
Speaker 4: a lot of Harker Star Wars fans that love and Or,
Speaker 4: but it's not like mass watch. I think Vision Quest
Speaker 4: could be that.
Speaker 3: Which is a shame because and Or is the best
Speaker 3: Star Wars thing ever.
Speaker 4: I said it on TV show. They are open, So
Speaker 4: now we got ant Man and Captain Marvel. I give
Speaker 4: the badge.
Speaker 3: If you put Captain Marvel at twenty seven, it's right
Speaker 3: there with the Marvels.
Speaker 4: That's perfect. Kind of give us the scrawls that we've
Speaker 4: kind of been ragging on a little bit of this episode,
Speaker 4: you know.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean they were a lot better than that movie.
Speaker 4: But they were fun. Fight with the Grandma, you know,
Speaker 4: by far.
Speaker 3: And away my favorite of the three Amen movies. The
Speaker 3: Thomas the Train Engine gets me every time. Yeah, I
Speaker 3: would put Man.
Speaker 1: Above the villain of the Yellow Jacket. He's not bad.
Speaker 3: Yeah, he's he's one note, but sometimes that's supposed to be.
Speaker 3: Like sometimes it is okay to have the one note villain.
Speaker 4: Okay, so we got there, So okay, we've done it.
Speaker 4: We've ranked all thirty seven, all right reads, Okay, the
Speaker 4: very bottom and Man the Lost Quantumedia, thank god, the
Speaker 4: movie that broke the MC. Let's just ant Okay, they've
Speaker 4: been trying to recover since that movie.
Speaker 1: We're been ganging King and the worst.
Speaker 3: Movie we could have.
Speaker 4: Yesterday literally said we're gonna win your trust back with Seward.
Speaker 4: I'm not paraphrasing, he fens or so he said that
Speaker 4: that we lost the trust with Quantumedia in multiple ways, right,
Speaker 4: and then Quantumedia thirty seven thor Dark World thirty six,
Speaker 4: thor eleven, Thunder at thirty five, Uh, Brave New Day
Speaker 4: at thirty four, I'm a new World, Bring New World, Gosh,
Speaker 4: bring new Thank you, Rent, Rickey World, Iron Man two
Speaker 4: at thirty three, The Eternals at thirty two, thirty one,
Speaker 4: Black Widow thirty, Spider Man, Far from Home twenty nine,
Speaker 4: ant Man in the Loss twenty eight, The Marbles twenty seven,
Speaker 4: Captain Mark. We should flip that, right, Marvels should be
Speaker 4: above Captain Marvel in my opinion. Are you guys still
Speaker 4: fine with that?
Speaker 1: This girls bother me.
Speaker 5: Now?
Speaker 8: Yeah?
Speaker 4: That's fair? Yeah they are all Yeah, I get you, okay.
Speaker 4: Twenty eight is still staying. The Marbles twenty seven, Captain Marvel,
Speaker 4: twenty six, ant Man twenty five, Age of Ultron twenty four, Gardens,
Speaker 4: Galaxy Find two, twenty three, Ironman three, Doctor Strange At
Speaker 4: twenty two, twenty one, Multiverse of Mannas twenty four, nineteen,
Speaker 4: Fantastic four, First Steps eighteen, Spirement Homecoming seventeen, The Incredible
Speaker 4: Hulk sixteenth thor Ragnrock fifteen, Captain America, first, Avenger fourteen,
Speaker 4: sung She thirteen, Thunderbolts, Asterix twelve, Gardens, Galaxy three eleven,
Speaker 4: will On Forever at number ten, We're going to talk
Speaker 4: to now dead Pool, Wolverene, nine, Iron Man, The Granddaddy, eight,
Speaker 4: The Avengers, Sorry, Marvel's The Avengers seven, Guardians of the
Speaker 4: Galaxy six, Civil War five, No Way Home four, Black
Speaker 4: Panther three, Winter Soldier two Endgame, and number one Infinity War.
Speaker 4: That is the Marvel Alliance host Ultimate Ranking of the
Speaker 4: MCU as it currently stands. June third, twenty twenty six.
Speaker 4: We got Brandy Day coming, we got Doomsday and nothing
Speaker 4: else next year, right, it's.
Speaker 1: Just cigar Wars, just secret Wars. And I'll say it
Speaker 1: right now, I think that is something that will keep
Speaker 1: I can see them not doing another movie and keeping
Speaker 1: it to secret Wars because we haven't heard anything filmed
Speaker 1: like legitimately, like there is nothing being filmed right now
Speaker 1: that that would.
Speaker 3: They would have had to film something.
Speaker 1: Yeah, they would have had which also age Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: And I.
Speaker 4: Think that's smart. They did that. Po Wolverene worked out.
Speaker 4: Let people just ride off of hopefully a great.
Speaker 1: Doomsda but they'll build off with the shows that are coming.
Speaker 4: Yeah. No, it'll be interesting to see. But you know what,
Speaker 4: I got a sneaking suspicion, not that I don't think
Speaker 4: it's a hot take. I think Brand New Day, if
Speaker 4: we were to rank these in the future, that will
Speaker 4: be higher than the other two. I I just got
Speaker 4: a good feeling about Brand New Day.
Speaker 1: And remember, Daredevil's in it, right, guys, he is.
Speaker 4: He's the guy, He's the one on the hood, the
Speaker 4: person like this.
Speaker 3: So there's a non zero chance, but he's zero chance.
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Speaker 3: They put Daredevil in that they're going to be trying
Speaker 3: to take my my favorite movie spot. I'm the guy
Speaker 3: that won a Daredevil more than Toby and Andrews.
Speaker 4: So yeah, I hope it happens one day.
Speaker 1: All right, As we said, no news because this was
Speaker 1: recorded a week in advance and right now it's We're
Speaker 1: okay with that.
Speaker 4: All right.
Speaker 1: One question that detour put out there, what is your
Speaker 1: favorite MCU character?
Speaker 4: And she said Marvel. Sorry, I might screw that up.
Speaker 1: Just said Marble mar character. Oh okay, gotcha.
Speaker 3: That actually makes it easier.
Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, that might have been my bad. Yeah. So yeah,
Speaker 4: I wish you fitting for the I think we talked
Speaker 4: about if we're fitting for the three hundreds to remind people.
Speaker 4: So I'm I'm always a Ryan Die Wolverine guy. I'm
Speaker 4: very excited for the game.
Speaker 1: I love Oh god, I can't. We went over that
Speaker 1: last week with mister Hinde, so yes, check us check
Speaker 1: it out. Check it our breakdown of that that trailer,
Speaker 1: because that was amazing exactly.
Speaker 4: So you know, I love that character so much. I
Speaker 4: got a child named after that character. So yeah, I
Speaker 4: don't know what it was. I think for me, it's
Speaker 4: not just okay, unique costume, even though I hate yellow,
Speaker 4: so that's not but unique costume, cool power. As far
Speaker 4: as the healing the class, I just think he is
Speaker 4: the ultimate asshole with a heart. He is that guy
Speaker 4: that he doesn't show that he cares, but he the most,
Speaker 4: you know, and he is somebody that when the chips
Speaker 4: are down, He's gonna be the last guy staying there.
Speaker 4: Is that because his bone like he can just melt
Speaker 4: his bones. Yes, but it's also just even if he
Speaker 4: didn't have that healing factor, James Hollett would still.
Speaker 3: Be showing up to do he'd last time.
Speaker 4: Yeah, he might kick Cyclops in the dick before he
Speaker 4: does it, but he's still gonna be there like.
Speaker 1: He is, and he deserves it too every single time.
Speaker 4: Sometimes he does, sometimes he doesn't, but he is. It's
Speaker 4: just that where and of course it is. He's also badass.
Speaker 4: He looks extremely cool, he looks unique, he always has
Speaker 4: great one liners, he's very fun, the lower of the classic,
Speaker 4: Hey what happened to me? And there's all these things
Speaker 4: with Weapon X in Japan. So he's such an interesting character.
Speaker 4: Who Yeah, and he's a character that anytime you match,
Speaker 4: anytime you match you with somebody, it's always gonna be
Speaker 4: a different dynamic. I remember one my favorite dynamics all
Speaker 4: the time is him and Spider Man, and I love
Speaker 4: that back and forth with those two. So yeah, Wolverine
Speaker 4: is always There's there's definitely I think a lot of
Speaker 4: people fighting for that second and third slot. I think
Speaker 4: probably you know, dared l will be number two in there.
Speaker 4: But yeah, I it's just some about him. That ninety
Speaker 4: seventh series when as young reading a lot of Chris
Speaker 4: Claremont when I was younger got me as well. And
Speaker 4: then from there it's just I've grown and grown grown,
Speaker 4: and then we've gotten an amazing adaptation with Hugh Jackman,
Speaker 4: who I think is the greatest combo casting of all
Speaker 4: time because I think, unlike a lot of other people
Speaker 4: like Downy, Hugh Jackman is not Wolverine in real life
Speaker 4: like Downey is very much like there's a lot of
Speaker 4: downeyisms in Iron Man, same thing as Deadpool and wolver
Speaker 4: or Ryan Reynolds, right, Hugh Jackman does not act like
Speaker 4: anything like that.
Speaker 3: Yeah he and I saw one of his concerts or
Speaker 3: performances or whatever, and it was awesome.
Speaker 4: It was all last nice, jealous, But yeah, I think
Speaker 4: there's so much to like about that character. And yeah,
Speaker 4: at the end of day, he's just cool. So there
Speaker 4: you go. Wolverine is my answer.
Speaker 3: I mean, to me, Spider Man is the greatest fictional
Speaker 3: character of all time and so and I don't mean
Speaker 3: Marvel character, I mean the greatest fictional character of all
Speaker 3: time period. So obviously he is my favorite Marvel character.
Speaker 3: Daredevil would be my second, and after that, I don't know,
Speaker 3: I'd have to really think about number three, but I
Speaker 3: Spider Man is like, it gives you so much of
Speaker 3: that like kid wish fulfillment, you know, like kids growing up.
Speaker 3: You can't see yourself as Batman, but you could see
Speaker 3: yourself with Robin because he's the kid, right, he's the teen.
Speaker 3: With Spider Man, you get that you get to be
Speaker 3: the main hero, but you still also get to be
Speaker 3: the teen as kids. Thinking that way, His origin is
Speaker 3: his origin is one of the best origins out there, right,
Speaker 3: Like it's also absolutely one in the popular conscience. Everybody
Speaker 3: knows it. But he gets the spider bite. He's he
Speaker 3: does have loving parental units. Let's say he's not growing up.
Speaker 3: He's technically an orphan, but he's not growing up like
Speaker 3: in the foster care system or something like that. So
Speaker 3: he has May, he has Uncle Ben, and then he
Speaker 3: makes this horrible mistake that is with him for the
Speaker 3: rest of his life. Like the tragedy that he has
Speaker 3: like sticks with him in a way it doesn't with
Speaker 3: other characters. And between between the death of Ben and
Speaker 3: the death of Gwynn is something that like I don't
Speaker 3: get tired of reading those stories of how it's affected.
Speaker 3: What's weird, though, is I think Spider Man is again
Speaker 3: absolutely my favorite character. Not the best runs so like
Speaker 3: not the best comics, the runs and stuff. There's some
Speaker 3: that I try love, but.
Speaker 8: Lately it's been like they've been fine, but they've been
Speaker 8: they've been like they they've been unmemorable, which is probably
Speaker 8: the worst thing you could possibly be in a story
Speaker 8: because they're not good enough to trash and they're not
Speaker 8: good enough to wax poetic about. They've just been unmemorable
Speaker 8: and where well, because if you trash you remember them right,
Speaker 8: Like Secret Invasion the show, we can go back and
Speaker 8: talk about that in all the ways it was stupid,
Speaker 8: like the main protagonist and the main antagonist not even
Speaker 8: being on screen got in the final freaking episode. But
Speaker 8: the last couple of Spider Man runs have just been
Speaker 8: so for the most part forgettable. There's been certain things
Speaker 8: in and of like I like the Gang War story,
Speaker 8: but other stuff is weird, Like there's this stuff now
Speaker 8: is there's a weird story going on with Norman Osborne
Speaker 8: filling in a spider Man, and it's been a choice,
Speaker 8: and I don't know if I like it.
Speaker 3: I don't That's not true. I don't like it. I
Speaker 3: don't know if I dislike it. It's just been a choice.
Speaker 3: It's clearly, at least on the Marvel Limited side, it's
Speaker 3: getting to the end. I'm fine with that. But then
Speaker 3: you have someone like Daredevil, and it's like banger after
Speaker 3: banger after banger of runs does all these great riders
Speaker 3: back to back to back. So for me, it's those two,
Speaker 3: and I'm really glad this was Marvel and not MCU
Speaker 3: because I'd be a harder choice for me.
Speaker 1: Yeah, you both have said, you know, spider Man's on
Speaker 1: my top three, wolverinees on my top three, But as
Speaker 1: my Moniker goes, it is Daredevil and I like complicated heroes.
Speaker 1: I'm not saying the other two like Logan's complicated to
Speaker 1: spider Man's complicated. They've all had their ups and downs
Speaker 1: at that point. But when you bring a I mean
Speaker 1: a boy like myself raised in Catholicism at that point
Speaker 1: in dealing with someone who Matt Murdoch is nowhere will
Speaker 1: be the epitome is I want to be like Matt Murdoch. No,
Speaker 1: no one really wants to be like Matt Murdoch at all.
Speaker 3: You shouldn't want to be exactly.
Speaker 1: There's very questionable things, but the idea of Catholic boy,
Speaker 1: blind lawyer, like all the all the things. But to
Speaker 1: the point of where we get to Frank Miller then
Speaker 1: and Nacente, then we get to the the Kevin Smith,
Speaker 1: the reigniting of Kevin Smith bringing that run to Bend
Speaker 1: to to brew. Baker followed up with Mark Wade. You
Speaker 1: may call it controversial, it still brings in some stuff
Speaker 1: once you get into that deep of that and.
Speaker 3: Dig was in there, he has some good stuff. Yeah,
Speaker 3: lower point.
Speaker 1: Charles Soul leading into the Darsky leading into is Za Darsky.
Speaker 1: We did have a blip in my opinion of after Zadarsky.
Speaker 1: But now Stephanie Phillips coming in with just three issues
Speaker 1: going on that I am so excited to meet her
Speaker 1: in person at time of recording next this week, just
Speaker 1: to just to shake her hand. If you don't follow
Speaker 1: Stephanie Phillips on TikTok or anything like that, she is.
Speaker 1: She is a very good follow And but yeah, Matt
Speaker 1: Murdoch and everything that he has encountered and gone through
Speaker 1: and risen fallen, come back from the dead, things like
Speaker 1: it is. There's something about it that I always go
Speaker 1: back to, even to your point, even to your point,
Speaker 1: as you said, Brent, with Spider Man, there there are
Speaker 1: low points of Daredevil, but even still, like I think
Speaker 1: I can put the argument that Daredevil has one of
Speaker 1: the best and most consistent runs going on, starting with
Speaker 1: Frank Miller onwards, that there are a lot less there.
Speaker 1: They're a lot less low points in Dared Devil's More.
Speaker 3: And they're shorter, they're shorter when they do happen, they're shorter. Yeah,
Speaker 3: you don't have a fifty to sixty issue run that
Speaker 3: most people consider a low point.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and some people consider I get it, Mark Wade
Speaker 1: a low point, but I said, you're missing the point
Speaker 1: of what Mark Wade was going for with that, with
Speaker 1: that run of what he was coming out of shadow Lands.
Speaker 1: But all in all, Daredevil my favorite.
Speaker 4: So nice, three great characters.
Speaker 1: Yeah, so all right, Well, no, no compa club we're
Speaker 1: taking or until you know, we get back to a
Speaker 1: normal thing. We got one more issue of Age of
Speaker 1: Ultron ten point a. As we as we go through
Speaker 1: the history of based on genres of compa clubs. So
Speaker 1: we'll conclude that one and we'll see what our next
Speaker 1: one is. But uh, factor fictions, factor fictions, I know, David, David,
Speaker 1: We're gonna have to put out there at that point
Speaker 1: he didn't put in the chat. But we'll do our
Speaker 1: factor fictions.
Speaker 4: So we don't have the new one. We don't know
Speaker 4: from last week the results because the.
Speaker 1: Results will be I wasn't mister Hines. Mister Heines' results
Speaker 1: will be brought up in the week, so catch them
Speaker 1: up too.
Speaker 4: So all right, I was saying this because I was
Speaker 4: trying to think of one that was current, but also
Speaker 4: one that's kind of evergreen to a point for I'd
Speaker 4: say for like the next five to six years, because
Speaker 4: that's what three hundreds. I want to stretch a little
Speaker 4: further beyond that. So I'm not gonna go one. It
Speaker 4: is one factor of fiction. I'm not gonna go one.
Speaker 4: Character can go too. I'm gonna say that. Will Gwen
Speaker 4: Stacy and Norman Osbourne be supporting characters in any of
Speaker 4: the Tom holl Inspire, Man, let's just assume it's a trilogy.
Speaker 4: Will they be supporting characters? Doesn't have to be the
Speaker 4: same movie, But will those two characters ever be supporting?
Speaker 4: I'm not meaning like, oh, hey, it's Gwen Stacy and
Speaker 4: that's kind of it. I mean my genuine, actual important
Speaker 4: characters in Norman Osborne or sorry, Harry Osborne and Gwen.
Speaker 4: I'll take the Norm back. Sorry my bad.
Speaker 3: I'm gonna clarify on the Norman if.
Speaker 4: You Yeah, yeah, because we're in the college years, let's
Speaker 4: people speculated. But at the same time, that doesn't mean
Speaker 4: they have to go there, right, and we're already down
Speaker 4: movie one. I don't think they're gonna be I haven't
Speaker 4: seen Brand New Day, but I would pizza at someone
Speaker 4: that I don't think they will be in this movie
Speaker 4: other than I'll get a nod and like, oh your
Speaker 4: roommates Harry, like he gets something like that, right. I
Speaker 4: hope it's true. They've been talking so much about getting
Speaker 4: back to the classic roots of Spider Man. Those are
Speaker 4: two characters I associate with those classic roots, especially with Gwen.
Speaker 4: But I think the Emgins and Day at all makes
Speaker 4: it kind of hard.
Speaker 1: So yeah, I think there's more there's more of a
Speaker 1: chance for Harry than Gwen right now, So I say,
Speaker 1: I say, if we even though I love No Way Home,
Speaker 1: that's not the MCU's Osborne, you know that's that's I
Speaker 1: didn't know what are they making out to be? I say,
Speaker 1: there's more of a chance for Harry than Gwen. I
Speaker 1: don't think it's impossible for Gwen, but it's gonna have
Speaker 1: to be. Are we basically saying goodbye to m Jane
Speaker 1: Peter in this Like I think this movie, I want
Speaker 1: to see exactly where we end up with m Jane
Speaker 1: Peter because if they get back together, I think there's
Speaker 1: I think there's even less of a chance for Gwen.
Speaker 4: Which it's hard to imagine of, like she's gonna get
Speaker 4: her memory back and be like, no, I don't want
Speaker 4: to be with you exactly. Yeah, like we kind of
Speaker 4: feel like where this is going? Right?
Speaker 3: So can I clarify with Gwen? Do you mean love
Speaker 3: inter Squinn?
Speaker 4: Nope, Gwen, say say it all just in general? You
Speaker 4: know Ultimate series, he was his adopted Okay, yeah, okay,
Speaker 4: got it on.
Speaker 3: But I'm gonna say fact, but yeah, I think it
Speaker 3: could be more Spider Gwen. Okay, so I love inter Squinn.
Speaker 3: I think is out the door she throw her off
Speaker 3: the bridge. She's not happening, Oh Jesus.
Speaker 1: And not one webbing to only not two webbing one
Speaker 1: webbing that, but you make sure it's gone down.
Speaker 3: I don't know that going. I love the Ultimate Spider
Speaker 3: Man Run. That's my favorite Spider Man book. But I
Speaker 3: don't know that going the Sister becomes carnage thing sort
Speaker 3: of is the route to.
Speaker 4: Go that they did with that in remember I can
Speaker 4: hear us.
Speaker 3: Yeah, now that you brought that clarification, can't make it
Speaker 3: here anymore.
Speaker 1: Yeah, you brought that clarification. Yes, I think there's more
Speaker 1: of a chance for Gwenn if it's just friendship, putting
Speaker 1: them in part of the group and hare to not
Speaker 1: have an mc u osbourne in there without some significant role.
Speaker 1: I think that's that's a miss.
Speaker 3: I mean, Gwyn in the comics now has more of
Speaker 3: a connection to Myles and then she does to Peter
Speaker 3: at this point, David, I don't like, but you know,
Speaker 3: like I'm okay with it because I feel like they've
Speaker 3: done a good job of letting Spider would be a
Speaker 3: different character than the Gwenn that Peter lost.
Speaker 4: That's true, Yes, that I think it's And she's.
Speaker 3: Younger and Peter's an adult and it would just be
Speaker 3: weird if he was obsessing over her.
Speaker 4: Yeah, And when I say I don't like it, it's
Speaker 4: legitimly just because I grew up with like Peter and Gwen. Right,
Speaker 4: so it's a weird thing for me now to up
Speaker 4: with kids and Gwen and Miles is like especially well, yeah,
Speaker 4: it's super weird. Like Gwen Stacy I loved. I'm a
Speaker 4: Gwen Stacy guy over Amjay guy. That's hence why I
Speaker 4: got a daughter named Gwen. And it's so weird to
Speaker 4: see oh Man, like that's like a thing of the past.
Speaker 4: Now I'm still fiction because I'm with Chris that I
Speaker 4: think Harry could happen. I even think Harry could be
Speaker 4: the MCU goblin. I think they could change it up's Norman.
Speaker 1: Yeah, well there's precedent for in the comics in a
Speaker 1: sense when he does take over with this James da Matteis,
Speaker 1: And I think it.
Speaker 4: Would be an interesting dynamic where if I've pitched this before,
Speaker 4: where Peter, if you meet this Norman Osbourne and the
Speaker 4: whole time, if there's a goblin going around, Peter thinks,
Speaker 4: oh it's Gobby and Norman and it's not him and
Speaker 4: it's his son. There's tons of things you could play.
Speaker 4: Same thing. I want Gwen Stacy really bad because I
Speaker 4: love the character, but also because I just think that'd
Speaker 4: be so fun. I think with MJ being back at
Speaker 4: knows that. But the idea of he met a spider
Speaker 4: man that said the love of his life was Gwen
Speaker 4: Stacey and she died, and how what would happen to
Speaker 4: Peter Parker if he met someone named Gwen Stacy like
Speaker 4: so much that bag is right away would be do
Speaker 4: you even interact with that person?
Speaker 5: What do you do?
Speaker 4: That's why he's kind of hoping Sadie Sink was Gwen Stacy.
Speaker 4: I don't think that's happening, but I'm gonna say fiction
Speaker 4: because I think when would also come maybe with Miles.
Speaker 4: So I think that's the other thing is I do
Speaker 4: think Holland will be done after this trilogy. And he's
Speaker 4: already saying he's already laying those seeds of like I
Speaker 4: really want to do it down. He did, and Evan's
Speaker 4: been like handed off to the next person, and I
Speaker 4: think he's getting us ready for the Swan Song. And
Speaker 4: that's where I think Gwen could come with Miles, and
Speaker 4: it is more associated nowadays with everything going on.
Speaker 1: Well to even the point of like Colin being done.
Speaker 1: I mean, you know you he's jumping on Nolan's band,
Speaker 1: jumping on at this point, he's he's now going he's
Speaker 1: gonna finish out. He will finish out this trilogy of
Speaker 1: Spider Man. But he's been very clear he is not
Speaker 1: a Hollywood person. He shies away from it at that point,
Speaker 1: and he's been also very clear once they start having kids,
Speaker 1: he's kind of done. He wants to be mad. He's done,
Speaker 1: he's decking out. He'll let you know. Zendaia will be
Speaker 1: the and he's completely fine with that, Like he's never
Speaker 1: he's been the He's been a different kind of actor
Speaker 1: for Hollywood.
Speaker 4: And then you'll see him in twenty years when he
Speaker 4: does what Toata McGuire Andrew did.
Speaker 2: Right.
Speaker 4: Yeah, he can die and then he can come back.
Speaker 1: To do that sort of thing, do a Spider Man
Speaker 1: life story thing.
Speaker 4: Yeah exactly so, but I do think next decade you'll
Speaker 4: be watching Tom Olins Spider Man eat it big time.
Speaker 4: You know that's inevitable.
Speaker 1: So yeah, okay, Brent, what you got so.
Speaker 3: Defenders focused, not counting Jessica Jones, because I think that
Speaker 3: is I think there is going to be some project
Speaker 3: with her. We are going to get a special presentation
Speaker 3: of other Defender's characters. So it could just be Luke,
Speaker 3: it could just be Iron Fist, it could be them
Speaker 3: two of them together. Would still love to see a
Speaker 3: Daughters of the Dragon thing from Misty and Colleen. Maybe
Speaker 3: it would be Heroes for Hire and Jessica would be
Speaker 3: involved in it, but she won't be like the title character. Yeah,
Speaker 3: maybe it's the Defenders, maybe it's all of them.
Speaker 1: Again, I think that all really hinges on how this
Speaker 1: next season gets received, especially if they're going to be
Speaker 1: quote unquote the Heroes of the citywell Matts in Jail.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I'll lean to fact because obviously, like that's all subjective,
Speaker 4: of course, but I think majority of people would agree
Speaker 4: that season two was superior to see One or Born Again,
Speaker 4: and that's the same team going four three. So I
Speaker 4: hope they continue that and make people enjoy that. I
Speaker 4: could see a Heroes for Higher special presentation that's almost
Speaker 4: used as the old back in the day when they
Speaker 4: still do it sometimes but used to just film a
Speaker 4: pilot first and take it and then it would get
Speaker 4: green light, and I almost feel like that's what the
Speaker 4: presentation could be of, like, hey, this is what it
Speaker 4: could be, and let's see if you'll like it, watch it,
Speaker 4: and we gotta I've said some geek fersts, it's funny
Speaker 4: the way we've gone around. They start with these characters
Speaker 4: because they're cheaper and easier to make, and now we've
Speaker 4: gone all the way back around where it's like, let's
Speaker 4: do the street level characters again. I have no problem
Speaker 4: to doing that because I don't think they'll get movies,
Speaker 4: so I would like that the best episode or when
Speaker 4: the best showing for Finn Jones's Iron Fist is not
Speaker 4: his own show, it's that one episode. And yeah, right,
Speaker 4: so I think they had good chemistry and good dynamic,
Speaker 4: so I'll go fact. I think they'll try it out
Speaker 4: because I also don't think it would be super expensive
Speaker 4: and it's okay, we did with Punisher. Let's give them
Speaker 4: forty five to fifty minutes, see what happens and kind
Speaker 4: of go from there.
Speaker 1: So I'm a fact. Yeah, I'm definitely a fact. I
Speaker 1: think it's it's more more. I think the best move
Speaker 1: for them is doing a Heroes for Hire with Luken
Speaker 1: and Danny. I'm with you. I think we all want
Speaker 1: to see Colleen Wing. I mean, we already heard she's
Speaker 1: held out when she got offered a part to Bear, Yeah,
Speaker 1: she said, nope, I want she wants to hold out
Speaker 1: cause I love that devotion to a character.
Speaker 3: Isn't that when she chose to be in the Matrix
Speaker 3: movie instead, like she chose Matrix over Chunk Chi or
Speaker 3: something like that, because yeah, specifically because she didn't want
Speaker 3: to which we all know, like it doesn't lock you out,
Speaker 3: but she wanted to leave it as open as possible
Speaker 3: to return.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and I think that she's had obviously had those
Speaker 1: conversations with Charlie Cox and things like that to lead
Speaker 1: her to that thing house. Yeah. So yeah, In fact,
Speaker 1: so all right, mine is tied to the animation side,
Speaker 1: tied to X Men ninety seven, So we already know
Speaker 1: we're getting. We already know season three is a green
Speaker 1: that we know we're getting a season four. They're going
Speaker 1: to try to go every year. We'll see how long
Speaker 1: that lasts, but we know we at least have three
Speaker 1: season three and four hour ago at some point, whether
Speaker 1: it be season three four or a possibility of five.
Speaker 1: We are going to get the Age of Cracoa, oh man,
Speaker 1: because because of look at how we're heading to what
Speaker 1: we just got out of with season one, where they're
Speaker 1: heading to the the end. What we got was this
Speaker 1: started me thinking as I was rewatching at that point,
Speaker 1: Janosh was supposed to be the haven that got destroyed.
Speaker 1: Everything's got them on the edge at that Poe. I
Speaker 1: really am leaning towards because they've also did a comic version.
Speaker 1: I'm not saying it was well, but they did a
Speaker 1: comic kind of version of the Age of Curracoa in
Speaker 1: the you know, animated series version, and so I would
Speaker 1: think about that. I say, they could fit this in
Speaker 1: at some point, especially with how they've dabbled Magnetic going
Speaker 1: in and out of being villainous at that point, Charles
Speaker 1: trying to go in and out of of that, I
Speaker 1: could see at some point them doing and don't I'm
Speaker 1: not even you know again, it's not gonna be one
Speaker 1: of those oh two issues to two episodes of the
Speaker 1: Inferno saga and we're done with Madeline Pryor. I think
Speaker 1: that this will be a longer, this will be a season.
Speaker 1: I think they're going to take the age of Curcoa
Speaker 1: as a season long thing from beginning, middle, and end.
Speaker 4: Well to go full circle because it's three hundred in
Speaker 4: the feed somewhere. Check on speaker. Me and Chris did
Speaker 4: do a World's Finest True Believer on this run? Or
Speaker 4: do wait, do we do that?
Speaker 3: No, we did it.
Speaker 1: We did a combook club. Okay, that's what was the
Speaker 1: World's Finest True Believers was with my friend BJ Kicks.
Speaker 4: Yeah, because again back to what I talked about with
Speaker 4: geekers and other people. At that point, didn't have too
Speaker 4: many people that read combooks, so I was always telling, oh,
Speaker 4: this Crocola stuff, And when me and Chris first started talking,
Speaker 4: that's was one of the early bonding of like, oh
Speaker 4: the Crocrola stuff.
Speaker 5: Right.
Speaker 4: I think I'm a fact now because I think when
Speaker 4: this podcast started, I heavily pitch them reworking that as
Speaker 4: the introduction to the X Men, to the MCU. I
Speaker 4: don't think at all that's what they're gonna do now.
Speaker 4: I think they're gonna go way more basic because I
Speaker 4: do think. I don't think it's gonna be a reboop.
Speaker 4: I think there'll be a mini reset secret Wars where
Speaker 4: you can jump on more than Phase four, which was
Speaker 4: a lot of new stuff but a lot of just
Speaker 4: still connecting threads that didn't really go to many places.
Speaker 4: I think Phase uh seven will act a lot like
Speaker 4: Phase one, but with X Men and other people. So
Speaker 4: I think that's why they're safe, because the only reason
Speaker 4: I could say that is because I know it's a
Speaker 4: little bit even like Deadpool. They try to use them
Speaker 4: in season one and Marvel did say, no, you can't
Speaker 4: use them because we got we're doing stuff with them
Speaker 4: right now, X Y and Z don't touch it right
Speaker 4: And that was before they were working on Deadpool Wolverine.
Speaker 4: So that's why Wolverine was and you couldn't do niney
Speaker 4: seent without Wolverine. But I'm saying like he wasn't in
Speaker 4: the plants and they still do that like CWT all
Speaker 4: those times. I think if they actively were, hey, we're
Speaker 4: doing Croca for X Men, well that's how're gonna introduce them,
Speaker 4: I'd say no. But I don't think that's in the
Speaker 4: cards anymore. I think hopefully downline. So I'm gonna say fact,
Speaker 4: and that might be the better place to do it
Speaker 4: for now because that takes a lot of build up,
Speaker 4: and we just got to introduce them and get the
Speaker 4: casting and get that right. So I'm gonna say fact,
Speaker 4: and I really hope this is a true fact.
Speaker 3: So I don't see them doing And I realized this
Speaker 3: is what you were saying, but a live action movie
Speaker 3: of it like that too way too much build up.
Speaker 3: A TV season is the place to do it, and
Speaker 3: I don't see them doing a X Men TV show
Speaker 3: live action.
Speaker 4: Yeah, to that scale, the X.
Speaker 3: Men ninety seven x Men the animated series, like they
Speaker 3: do like adapting or being inspired by comic storylines, famous
Speaker 3: comic storylines, I absolutely could see them see them doing
Speaker 3: something like this, like get to the end of season
Speaker 3: three and it basically picks up with Kurkova, and maybe
Speaker 3: maybe there's an episode prior to the full arc of
Speaker 3: the Island of Kirkco to like kind of give you
Speaker 3: a little bit of the history because that was a
Speaker 3: famous island that brought in like the New X Men
Speaker 3: when claremont I started. Yeah, yep, yeah, I could totally
Speaker 3: see them doing this in the animated animation. So I'm
Speaker 3: going fact on it for sure.
Speaker 1: It just seems like it'd be better than them doing
Speaker 1: that than Onslought, even though I propose had a a
Speaker 1: couple of weeks ago as a factor of fiction that
Speaker 1: Onslaught will be a villain at some point.
Speaker 3: Yeah, maybe, and then we could get rebirth and you know,
Speaker 3: live Field Captain America.
Speaker 1: Yeah, there we go, all right, Well, David will have
Speaker 1: to put out there at that point, so they have
Speaker 1: to check the Twitter at that point for for his
Speaker 1: so but but yeah, so that is volume three hundred, gentlemen.
Speaker 1: You know, we it's like we said, it's it's been
Speaker 1: an amazing road. You know, they say podcasts, you know,
Speaker 1: live or die, if you can get past ten, you're
Speaker 1: you're better than the average. Well we've done three hundred,
Speaker 1: and we've done even kind of side ones at that point,
Speaker 1: combo episodes of SDCC and different different episodes. But from
Speaker 1: Travis to Brent to David, it has been an amazing
Speaker 1: journey with each and every one of you. You know,
Speaker 1: I know we get to come back on every once
Speaker 1: in a while, you know, but this the the friendships
Speaker 1: we all have had because of this show is what
Speaker 1: matters to me and what I you know, even though
Speaker 1: I say goodbye, the world's fine, It's true believers. This
Speaker 1: is the one I've I've wanted to hold on to
Speaker 1: just because of it's just fun to hang out with
Speaker 1: my friends every week.
Speaker 4: So yeah, no, doing this makes me this doing this
Speaker 4: and this was a great episode. Hopefully won't be episode
Speaker 4: four hundred when we all get back together. Even if
Speaker 4: it's Tryna baby once a year, we should try to
Speaker 4: like get get up.
Speaker 1: I have an idea to propose out there offcast, because
Speaker 1: I don't want to promise anything to get people's hopes up.
Speaker 4: So okay, there you go. So but no, this is great. David.
Speaker 4: Sorry your hotel sucks, but it's great to have you
Speaker 4: on for the first hour.
Speaker 1: It was hopefully you like our list.
Speaker 4: Yeah, it's funny the ranking because I've never do I
Speaker 4: don't do too many like together rankings. Right. The only
Speaker 4: time we do that really geek Ers, when we do
Speaker 4: our Gold and Geek Awards stuff. We went to debate
Speaker 4: actual rankings. I haven't so that was fun. And yeah,
Speaker 4: I'm excited to see where goes. And yeah, hopefully if
Speaker 4: as of right now they're saying they're doing a Marvel panel,
Speaker 4: if it is big, we will do our We haven't
Speaker 4: got to do one in a long time. I think
Speaker 4: that's the last time me and Brent actually podcasts together
Speaker 4: when they did the Doom reveal. Right, I think that's
Speaker 4: the last SDCC.
Speaker 1: I know I should know this, but I don't remember it.
Speaker 4: July fifth or sorry, twenty fifth. I think, Okay, yeah,
Speaker 4: that's your Baturday. Yeah again, we're we'll see what happens.
Speaker 4: There's rumors trailers, but yeah, I think that's the last
Speaker 4: time we were on a stream to get Brent was
Speaker 4: when they did the whole Doomsday reveal and the Russes
Speaker 4: came back because we were watching that, and uh, yeah,
Speaker 4: it's gonna be It's gonna be a very interesting time.
Speaker 4: I think the next time we're all together whenever that is.
Speaker 4: But it's an interesting year with Spiermen up and Doomsday
Speaker 4: and I can't wait and I can't wait to listen
Speaker 4: weekly too. You and Brett? Are you and David cover
Speaker 4: it all?
Speaker 3: You know, I'm glad it worked out for me to
Speaker 3: be able to come back and join tonight. Is a
Speaker 3: fun topic to go through, and I was like, you know,
Speaker 3: we I was like, this is going to take five hours.
Speaker 3: When we debated Infinity Warning game for so long, but
Speaker 3: we got through it. We got through it.
Speaker 4: Yeah, that did take it.
Speaker 3: I was like, oh, it's like those should have been
Speaker 3: the easy ones. Those are supposed to be locks and
Speaker 3: and but no, no, it was fun. It was good
Speaker 3: and looking at this list and I'm just like, it's
Speaker 3: a fun list. It falls under the category of it's
Speaker 3: not my list, but it's a fun list and I
Speaker 3: respect it. So I'm glad I was able to join
Speaker 3: in and it was fun to get on there with
Speaker 3: David for a while before again, his hotel WiFi sucked,
Speaker 3: so everybody tweeted David that he needs better hotel WiFi
Speaker 3: next time.
Speaker 4: Yeah, his ends are open, so's send whatever you want there.
Speaker 3: So absolutely, Yeah, like emoji's a Wi Fi or gifts
Speaker 3: a Wi Fi or something. Yeah, don't even tell them
Speaker 3: why you're doing it.
Speaker 5: Just do it. Just do it.
Speaker 1: So but all right, gentl and tell people how they
Speaker 1: can follow you.
Speaker 4: Trast me Snaile. I'm always talking over at geek First,
Speaker 4: doing lots of stuff. The only thing I'll promote big
Speaker 4: time there is always say Gimbida will be celebrating eleven
Speaker 4: years geek First. That's always a fun day. We're gonna
Speaker 4: be doing lightsaber duels for the first ever geek first.
Speaker 4: I'm very excited for that because we all were in
Speaker 4: a room where like, how we never done this. We're
Speaker 4: a bunch of idiots that love Star Wars. How we
Speaker 4: never even had we do fake restidae have We're not
Speaker 4: doing that. So it's always a fun day where we
Speaker 4: go for about ten hours and just celebrate the yearly anniversary.
Speaker 4: And I'm not to described always talking over there and
Speaker 4: reviewing stuff.
Speaker 3: So when I heard you say the light saber jewels,
Speaker 3: I'm like, Oh, somebody's getting hurt. Someone's gonna know.
Speaker 4: What's gonna happen, and I just don't know who's gonna be.
Speaker 3: I think it's gonna gonna be Taylor.
Speaker 1: It's gonna be Yeah.
Speaker 4: See, it's gonna be Dylan because he leaks. He likes
Speaker 4: Star Wars the least, so he's just gonna be bitter
Speaker 4: if he gets damn.
Speaker 3: So Taylor is gonna try to be like fancy with
Speaker 3: it or whatever.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's gonna go horribly wrong.
Speaker 3: You're just gonna smack them.
Speaker 4: I have a strategy. I'm not gonna reveal it on
Speaker 4: their but I have a strategy going in. So I
Speaker 4: think it's gonna work for the first two matchups, so.
Speaker 3: I'm Brint tech Prime. I honestly don't know if my
Speaker 3: dms are open, so I guess if you want to
Speaker 3: send one, you can find out. But I know, I
Speaker 3: know I get d ms from Jim Scroggs on Blue Sky,
Speaker 3: But other than that, I'm print tech Prime everywhere, so
Speaker 3: you know that's where I can be found.
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Speaker 1: and at stand the man would say, excelsior, true believers. Again,
Speaker 1: it wouldn't be a Marvel Alliance without a post credits
Speaker 1: of USh Net was created by David, who unfortunately is
Speaker 1: still not here. He says, well, the epic failure that
Speaker 1: was Doomsday at south By south West surprise, where is
Speaker 1: the next logical place for the real doomsday reveals? So
Speaker 1: for those that don't know know anything what we're talking about, well,
Speaker 1: the Russo's put out there a big surprise coming at
Speaker 1: south By Southwest Doomsday related and it ended up being
Speaker 1: a pop up coffee shop doom Doom related with them
Speaker 1: showing up.
Speaker 4: Technically, the surprise was that Robert Downey showed up to
Speaker 4: the screening. That they did say that, but honestly that's
Speaker 4: not what got the press coverage was the coffee shop.
Speaker 4: I think it's definitely Comic Con and it's a double
Speaker 4: where the crowd gets it first and then we do
Speaker 4: get online because the week after Spider Man. So I
Speaker 4: think that makes sense. I think that you get that
Speaker 4: trailer out, you give it the week before Spider Member
Speaker 4: that's also playing in front of Spider Man. I don't
Speaker 4: think there's a world that they would have Spiderman go
Speaker 4: out and there's no Avengers trailer out.
Speaker 3: There is absolute that is the absolute last place it
Speaker 3: will go. It will go as and by that I
Speaker 3: mean on the calendar, it will go as early as
Speaker 3: right before Supergirl or right before the Odyssey.
Speaker 4: It's not on Spider Many.
Speaker 3: I could see them doing it before Supergirl because there's
Speaker 3: obviously the Venn diagram of overlapping that audience. There's a circle,
Speaker 3: and it would I could also see it going before
Speaker 3: the Odyssey, like them holding it back and do that
Speaker 3: because that's going to be a really big movie as well,
Speaker 3: And so like those are those are your time? So
Speaker 3: like those movies come out on a Friday, you know,
Speaker 3: the Thursday previews, the Monday, maybe the Tuesday before those
Speaker 3: is when I would expect it.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I could easily see them pulling a a after
Speaker 1: No Way Home and the trailer for Doomsday is that
Speaker 1: the is the post credits for friend?
Speaker 4: Really that's interesting.
Speaker 1: You could do that, Actually, I could see them doing that.
Speaker 3: I don't know they did that with Multiverse and Madness.
Speaker 3: I don't don't see Marvel doing that with the Avengers though.
Speaker 3: They want those YouTube views.
Speaker 1: No, I mean they want the YouTube boots. But I
Speaker 1: can also see you know, not to agree with both
Speaker 1: of you both bring up very good points. Just to
Speaker 1: be throwing another thing out there. I'm not saying that
Speaker 1: they would.
Speaker 4: They could get the views on the Monday, though. They
Speaker 4: could literally just have the postcrit which is exclusive for
Speaker 4: four days. You did make a good point brand about Odyssey,
Speaker 4: because that is a big one. I don't think they
Speaker 4: worry about Supergirl. I don't. I think that's gonna be
Speaker 4: seen by its pocket of people that are already seeing
Speaker 4: Spider Man like our Avengers like. You don't need to
Speaker 4: convince them. I think there is a ven Diagram Odyssey,
Speaker 4: but there's still some people that will go, oh, there's
Speaker 4: a new Avengers movie out where. I don't think anyone
Speaker 4: seeing Supergirl will go, oh, there's a new Avengers. Yeah, well, honesty,
Speaker 4: that's gonna have a lot of people that are just
Speaker 4: going to see Dale or for Nolan, right, So yeah,
Speaker 4: honesty does make it tricky, But I do like Chris idea.
Speaker 4: I could see that right up as the end credit
Speaker 4: because also their end credits lately they've been choosing to
Speaker 4: be seen from other movies or not at all, like
Speaker 4: Daredel wouldn't have one No Punisher. They've been very lack
Speaker 4: on the Chris, which is fine because they put a
Speaker 4: lot out there that didn't have much.
Speaker 3: But when they did that with No Way Home, No
Speaker 3: Way Home came out in December. Yeah, so there wasn't
Speaker 3: there was time. There wasn't that much. Like I don't know,
Speaker 3: with Comic Con being right before it, I still think
Speaker 3: that is the last as in last place on the calendar.
Speaker 3: I would be absolutely stunned and almost call it a
Speaker 3: failure by Marvel's point if they do not put it
Speaker 3: out for Comic Con. Yeah, I think I think comes
Speaker 3: zero chance that people in Hall h will they'll see it.
Speaker 1: Yeah, Comic Con is the I think the easy that's
Speaker 1: where the next one is gonna be that's most logical
Speaker 1: place to the biggest stage they return there. That's that's
Speaker 1: what you do. I mean, that's how you announce Downy
Speaker 1: coming back as doctor Doom. That's that would be another
Speaker 1: full circle moment.
Speaker 4: Yeah, that's my prediction. Honesty does make it tricky, But
Speaker 4: I will officially just say comic Con. I'll say, they'll
Speaker 4: do it online, or they'll do it and then we'll
Speaker 4: get online right away. They did that a couple times
Speaker 4: back in the day where they still release them publicly.
Speaker 4: I think they would, and then Spider Man would get
Speaker 4: that trail of the next week.
Speaker 3: But I'll officially say before Odyssey. But I am not
Speaker 3: willing to pizza about it.
Speaker 4: I will pizza about it. We wake up tomorrow, I'm yeah,
Speaker 4: I just drop it. Yeah, got mad about the people,
Speaker 4: got mad about the coffee.
Speaker 1: Let him happen. Yeah, But all right, well, we will
Speaker 1: see you next week and David should be back at
Speaker 1: that point. But uh for episode three oh one, as
Speaker 1: we march towards At this point, we are marching towards
Speaker 1: next Man ninety seven July first, So all right, stay
Speaker 1: safe out there, We'll see you soon. Bye bye.
Speaker 4: I'm supposed to it,