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<v Speaker 1>Oh well, that are.

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<v Speaker 3>Trigger warn This podcast may include explicit content that will

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<v Speaker 3>take you out of your comfort zone and make you

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<v Speaker 3>question reality. Listeners, discretion is advised.

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<v Speaker 1>Welcome to the Occult Rejects.

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<v Speaker 4>This episode, I got the occult reject mad scientist Lisa

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<v Speaker 4>joining me. I got Mike, and I got my boy Thrash.

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<v Speaker 4>And tonight very special guests. You know, one hasn't been

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<v Speaker 4>on in a while. We got my man Colby back.

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<v Speaker 4>It's been a hot minute. I always love having them on.

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<v Speaker 4>Always had good chats, always had a lot of laughs.

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<v Speaker 4>And back by popular demand. We've got Julia joining us

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<v Speaker 4>again tonight Cosmic Peach, and tonight we will be talking

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<v Speaker 4>about a topic that interests all of us here very much.

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<v Speaker 4>Laurel Canyon, real quick, I guess Mike and Thrash you

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<v Speaker 4>don't even.

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<v Speaker 1>Actually have anything to plug my bed, all right, So Colby,

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<v Speaker 1>we'll go with you real quick.

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<v Speaker 4>Kobe, you want to let everybody know like what your

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<v Speaker 4>deal is and everything, and like where they can find

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<v Speaker 4>some of your stuff.

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<v Speaker 5>Sure, I do conspiracy playtime, which is pretty sporadic these days.

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<v Speaker 5>That's anywhere you're lucky if you can find it on

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<v Speaker 5>YouTube sometimes, but this infobation is the weekly shit talking

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<v Speaker 5>show I'd do with my buddy Dusty, and that one's

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<v Speaker 5>bi weekly, and that one you can find everywhere but

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<v Speaker 5>Apple and YouTube.

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<v Speaker 4>I think I have your website in the description already.

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<v Speaker 4>That's good enough.

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<v Speaker 6>Oh I need to update this.

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<v Speaker 2>OK.

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<v Speaker 4>I'll let the other links in if you want after

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<v Speaker 4>the show. And Julia, just in case people here joining

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<v Speaker 4>us don't happen to know who you are yet, can

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<v Speaker 4>you please let everybody know what you deal is?

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<v Speaker 7>Yeah? I think I'm becoming better known on your show

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<v Speaker 7>just for how many f bombs I drop every couple

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<v Speaker 7>of words. But I'm Julia fucking Cosmic Peach, and I'm

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<v Speaker 7>everywhere besides fucking YouTube. And I'm really happy to be

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<v Speaker 7>here tonight talking about the Laurel Canyon because, like you said,

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<v Speaker 7>it's one of my favorite topics by far, and Colby's

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<v Speaker 7>as well, and I can't wait to get into it.

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<v Speaker 5>Do you monetize on YouTube? Because she just really screwed

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<v Speaker 5>that up for you.

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<v Speaker 6>Sorry, have like a ten minute rule or something?

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<v Speaker 7>What?

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<v Speaker 5>Every no, like the first ten minutes any profanity you

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<v Speaker 5>get demounted?

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<v Speaker 1>Oh, I have no idea. I'm sure, I've screwed that

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<v Speaker 1>up myself already.

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<v Speaker 7>My fucking bad.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, we're good. We're good.

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<v Speaker 4>I'm not really worried about YouTube anyway. So if it happens,

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<v Speaker 4>it happens. Uh, you know what, we'll go around the well,

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<v Speaker 4>we'll go with you. Colby, What was it that got

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<v Speaker 4>you like really into a Laurel Canyon, because I know

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<v Speaker 4>you've been into that for a long time as well.

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<v Speaker 5>Yeah, I mean it was kind of like the revitalization

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<v Speaker 5>of like psyop conspiracy theory.

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<v Speaker 1>For me.

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<v Speaker 5>I was really into that when I was younger, And

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<v Speaker 5>I remember I was picking up a friend in Portland

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<v Speaker 5>and he had just seen Dave Matthews live at the

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<v Speaker 5>Gorge and he was on acid, and he told me

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<v Speaker 5>a story about how bad his trip was because he

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<v Speaker 5>just realized that he was at like a cult ritual

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<v Speaker 5>and Dave was leading it, and he wasn't even a

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<v Speaker 5>Dave Matthews man, but he said the whole time he

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<v Speaker 5>just like felt like he's witnessing sacrifices and stuff. And

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<v Speaker 5>then I heard Jay Dyer like that year talking about

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<v Speaker 5>this book that McGowan wrote, Weird Scenes, and I read

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<v Speaker 5>that with that story in mind, and just like how

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<v Speaker 5>these performers were casting spells, and then he just lays

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<v Speaker 5>it all up for you, like the structure of the

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<v Speaker 5>whole thing and how they pulled it off. And I

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<v Speaker 5>mean it was very sloppy in a lot of ways,

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<v Speaker 5>so so many decades later it was easy to kind

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<v Speaker 5>of piece it all together. So I like conspiracy theories

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<v Speaker 5>that blow your mind but are also like traceable and

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<v Speaker 5>you can actually tie it all together. Do you reached

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<v Speaker 5>off top of other people's research, And I mean Julie

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<v Speaker 5>has done a good job of that.

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<v Speaker 8>But we both love the music too.

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<v Speaker 5>Yeah, And that's the thing is I I almost think it's

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<v Speaker 5>cooler the way that it really happened. It's like more

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<v Speaker 5>mysterious than like, oh, a bunch of fucking stoned hippies

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<v Speaker 5>just made some good music, and then when you see

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<v Speaker 5>what was really going on there, it's it's way more

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<v Speaker 5>intriguing story.

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<v Speaker 7>But I love CIA music. It's like the best shit

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<v Speaker 7>out there. I grew up on Laurel Canyon music. It's

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<v Speaker 7>my favorite fucking music.

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<v Speaker 8>Seat there I go again.

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<v Speaker 7>Sorry, And I actually when I read Strange Strange scenes,

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<v Speaker 7>and then I went over to his blog and he

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<v Speaker 7>has a great website. It's called an Uninformed American or

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<v Speaker 7>something like that or I can't remember what it is. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 7>but he has a blog and you can go on

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<v Speaker 7>there and like he has a bunch of different topics.

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<v Speaker 7>But Laurel Canyon is one of the blogs on there,

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<v Speaker 7>and he has like pictures and it's kind of easier

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<v Speaker 7>to read than the book because he just kind of

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<v Speaker 7>by them. I got done reading the book and then

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<v Speaker 7>reading the blog. My mind was blown. But it was,

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<v Speaker 7>like Colby said, I was like thinking to myself, this

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<v Speaker 7>makes it almost cooler in a way because they're all

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<v Speaker 7>military and they all like kind of grew up together

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<v Speaker 7>at these military bases and shit. And Jim Morrison's dad

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<v Speaker 7>started to fucking Vietnam War and shit, like that's a

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<v Speaker 7>way better story.

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<v Speaker 8>Log Cabin.

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<v Speaker 7>Somebody just wrote a comment about the log Cabin. That's

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<v Speaker 7>also interesting to me because who is a Jared Letto

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<v Speaker 7>owns it?

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<v Speaker 3>Now?

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<v Speaker 1>No?

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<v Speaker 6>I think he got Lookout Mountain Studios.

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<v Speaker 9>Oh he got? Is that what he got?

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<v Speaker 9>Does anybody in here you know?

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<v Speaker 6>Because we argue about that.

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<v Speaker 9>Okay, yeah, yeah, No, it's a Leto got lookout Mountain.

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<v Speaker 7>Yeah, okay, well I'm pretty sure somebody did you guys

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<v Speaker 7>see that comment earlier.

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<v Speaker 9>About the log cabin Vince Neil?

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<v Speaker 1>Oh yeah, a plane crash. Yeah. I don't know if

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<v Speaker 1>that's true or not.

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<v Speaker 9>It's said that it's a head on collision. I just

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<v Speaker 9>looked it up, like in the air. There's a collision

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<v Speaker 6>Another plane.

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<v Speaker 4>Oh yeah, another one that I know crash before the podcast,

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<v Speaker 4>Like I was, oh my god.

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<v Speaker 6>Yeah, yeah, we're not supposed to be flying everybody, dude, I'm.

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<v Speaker 7>Not flying fucking anywhere there. They're gonna know and they're

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<v Speaker 7>gonna kill us.

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<v Speaker 10>So the website just really quickly, and Julia was a

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<v Speaker 10>Center for an Informed America.

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<v Speaker 8>Yeah, there you go, There you go.

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<v Speaker 7>So on that website he's got stuff on like Abraham Lincoln.

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<v Speaker 7>He's got stuff about the fake moon landing. He's got

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<v Speaker 7>stuff about Laurel Canyon obviously, and the Boston Marathon bombings.

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<v Speaker 7>So it's just a really cool place you can go

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<v Speaker 7>to check out a lot of his work. He doesn't

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<v Speaker 7>actually have a blog about Program to Kill though, which

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<v Speaker 7>surprises me because it's like one of my favorite books

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<v Speaker 7>of all time. But something that we were kind of

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<v Speaker 7>mentioning before we started recording is actually how Programmed to

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<v Speaker 7>Kill and Laurel Canyon kind of dovetail each other because

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<v Speaker 7>serial killers and the counterculture movement kind of run hand

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<v Speaker 7>in hand with each other and one of those things.

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<v Speaker 7>And I don't want to like jump too far ahead,

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<v Speaker 7>but it's Charles Manson, obviously, who is a musician slash

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<v Speaker 7>MK ultra slash CIA, slash am I missing anything.

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<v Speaker 6>Just a cool all around guy.

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<v Speaker 7>Really, yeah, my hero.

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<v Speaker 10>Actor, right, actor, very versatile, diverse.

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<v Speaker 1>There you go.

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<v Speaker 7>Did you guys read Chaos?

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<v Speaker 1>No?

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<v Speaker 6>I did not know.

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<v Speaker 8>Go ahead, honey, this is yours time to shine.

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<v Speaker 2>No.

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<v Speaker 5>I just think it's kind of coming out lately that

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<v Speaker 5>guy's a gatekeeper of sorts, and I'm busy. I'm extremely

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<v Speaker 5>disappointed by that, But I also I'm not surprised because

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<v Speaker 5>he said just enough to let everybody tie the pieces together.

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<v Speaker 5>Like with the Jolly West Tate Ashbury Free Sex Clinic thing,

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<v Speaker 5>he would just show you and then you would be

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<v Speaker 5>the one to go. Oh so Charles Manson knew Jolly

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<v Speaker 5>West maybe, but see, I don't know.

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<v Speaker 6>He's making a Netflix series of it.

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<v Speaker 5>A guy I liked interview on my podcast, told me

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<v Speaker 7>He's making a Netflix series.

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<v Speaker 6>That's what I got.

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<v Speaker 8>That's going to be fucking dog shit.

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<v Speaker 4>Well we'll see, but I mean, I think who's making

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<v Speaker 4>the search was making the netflixers.

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<v Speaker 6>Netflix is doing the adaptation of the book. From what I.

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<v Speaker 7>Understand, I don't want to see it, but we'll have

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<v Speaker 7>to write to verify.

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<v Speaker 6>I mean, at least start it.

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<v Speaker 7>Okay, but you saw what they did with Waco. They

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<v Speaker 7>just fuck everything up.

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<v Speaker 9>See I've been saying, like that whole title alone chaos.

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<v Speaker 9>It just added chaos to the case, and it just

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<v Speaker 9>made it more convoluted. I get there's a lot of

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<v Speaker 9>interesting stuff that came out, like you said, but it

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<v Speaker 9>just made it even more confusion. He had to go

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<v Speaker 9>all the way back to the beginning again and then yeah,

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<v Speaker 9>it's literal chaos. And then he's coming out with the

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<v Speaker 9>second one, which is going to be even now. I

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<v Speaker 9>don't even noticed that the new Sam's coming out.

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<v Speaker 5>I think the most valuable part of that book for

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<v Speaker 5>me was how he tore apart Boogliosi's narrative because a

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<v Speaker 5>lot of people take that face value, and there was

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<v Speaker 5>there's nothing real in health Skelter, the whole theory he

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<v Speaker 5>lays out.

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<v Speaker 6>In my opinion, I.

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<v Speaker 8>Don't think it was there was anything to that at all.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 11>And the fact that it shows that he was arrested

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<v Speaker 11>on parole so many times and release does I mean

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<v Speaker 11>it shows you that he was being let out, he's

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<v Speaker 11>being watched. There's no way you get charges like that

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<v Speaker 11>on parole, especially back then you're back in.

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<v Speaker 1>That's it.

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<v Speaker 9>You had, Like he had good interesting points in the book,

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<v Speaker 9>like about like the parole officer and how the parole

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<v Speaker 9>officer was like kept helping him and helping him and

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<v Speaker 9>helping the kids and even helped Yeah, very odd for sure.

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<v Speaker 7>And then the which I forget, which beach boy it

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<v Speaker 7>is that died?

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<v Speaker 6>Oh Dennis Dennis?

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<v Speaker 7>Are you sure?

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<v Speaker 7>Yeah. Because he said he was going to write a book,

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<v Speaker 8>What was really going on with Manson.

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<v Speaker 7>Neil Young sucked his dick hole though. He loved that guy.

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<v Speaker 7>He loved Manson.

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<v Speaker 8>He was doing it.

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<v Speaker 7>He loved him.

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<v Speaker 8>He would say like, oh, he's so talented.

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<v Speaker 2>See.

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<v Speaker 7>He was also a vaccine pusher, saying he was going

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<v Speaker 5>Yeah, the Beach Boys actually stole some of his ship,

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<v Speaker 5>I think it would I think it would have been

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<v Speaker 9>Kind of have a good voice and everything.

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<v Speaker 11>And the Beach Boys and all them they had studio

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<v Speaker 11>musicians anyways, it was if you had it was of

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<v Speaker 11>all about the charisma anyways. I mean the Birds and

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<v Speaker 5>Whether that music was written by them or not, they

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<v Speaker 6>They played it in the studio. They'd bring in a

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<v Speaker 5>Ray man Zeric was probably one of the most talented

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<v Speaker 5>musicians of that era. There was an instance in Amsterdam

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<v Speaker 5>before the show.

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<v Speaker 6>He wandered onto the stage when.

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<v Speaker 5>Jefferson Airplane was playing and fucked up their set.

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<v Speaker 6>Then he passed out. This was probably all an act.

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<v Speaker 5>But Rayn Xeric played bass with his left hand, played

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<v Speaker 6>So those guys were a good musicians. No, that's Manseric.

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<v Speaker 5>He wrote a lot or not Manzeric, Robbie Kreeger, he

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<v Speaker 8>I really love that one.

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<v Speaker 9>Well, sometimes they would like they'd like go into they

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<v Speaker 9>would have to like almost improvise with Jim Morrison because

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<v Speaker 9>he would go in like trance is and he would

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<v Speaker 9>take like a two to three minute song and turn

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<v Speaker 9>it into like twenty minutes, and he for his age.

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<v Speaker 9>It's odd just the words and the stuff that he's

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<v Speaker 9>saying and talking about when you listen to the live performances.

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<v Speaker 4>Like so, you know, a lot of bands back then,

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<v Speaker 4>Grateful Dead did that with their space and their drums.

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<v Speaker 4>You had a lot of jam bands that really kind

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<v Speaker 2>The Doors were kind of like.

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<v Speaker 5>A jazzy jazzy jam band when they were alive. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 5>and I do think that we're going to do, especially

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<v Speaker 5>in the later years. But I happened to think Morrison

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<v Speaker 5>was acting the whole time and did really become a

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<v Speaker 5>America's youth.

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<v Speaker 6>I mean, he'd scream at the crowd, you're.

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<v Speaker 7>All a bunch of slaves, fuckers.

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<v Speaker 10>Of the One of the things that we had Nick

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<v Speaker 10>and I had done, I dive into Empedocles, which was

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<v Speaker 10>an ancient philosopher, and one of the things that comes

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<v Speaker 10>out of there is the discovery of I am a

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<v Speaker 10>hexameter or hexameter. It's a type of poetry that it's

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<v Speaker 10>like a six stanza type thing, and back in the day,

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<v Speaker 10>only oracles from Delphi spoke in hexameter, and that if

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<v Speaker 10>it didn't happen in hexameter, then it was considered not

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<v Speaker 10>to be authentic to have been divinated from the oracle.

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<v Speaker 10>So one of the things when we were looking at

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<v Speaker 10>hexameter just as a quick reference, they said that Jim

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<v Speaker 10>Morrison wrote his songs in hexameter.

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<v Speaker 6>Yeah, and who was teaching him do this shit?

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<v Speaker 7>That's also mentioned in American Horror Story Season covin which

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<v Speaker 4>We had a guy, and we had a guy on

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<v Speaker 4>whole while that coupled covered Jim Morrison and he went

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<v Speaker 4>into some stuff where you like he said he was

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<v Speaker 4>like very young age and like went to some specific library.

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<v Speaker 12>Oh oh oh oh.

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah, yeah, I'm not exactly sure where it was. I

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<v Speaker 4>might have been in Washington where he went to some

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<v Speaker 4>like specific library as like a very young kid to

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<v Speaker 4>take out some book that was like a pretty much

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<v Speaker 4>like a cult stuff. And then were like, how did

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<v Speaker 4>you know?

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<v Speaker 2>Then?

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, on the internet they tell you that the book

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<v Speaker 1>was there.

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<v Speaker 10>So they said that, like, his dad was stationed in

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<v Speaker 10>LA and they made the trip to Washington when he

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<v Speaker 10>got transferred, and on the way to DC, they stopped

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<v Speaker 10>at an area in North New Mexico, and Morrison claims

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<v Speaker 10>at the age of three years old, he felt that

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<v Speaker 10>the spirits of the native people who had passed away

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<v Speaker 10>on an accident that had happened at Los Alamos Laboratory

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<v Speaker 10>entered him and never left. And I had asked Paul,

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<v Speaker 10>I was like, did he stop at Los Alamos? Was

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<v Speaker 10>his dad affiliated with Los Almos?

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<v Speaker 6>Why?

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<v Speaker 12>That's pretty damn specific.

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<v Speaker 10>And I do know that Los Alamo's laboratory they did

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<v Speaker 10>use Native hands to build the stuff, and so it

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<v Speaker 10>would almost beg the question in passing, did they, you know,

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<v Speaker 10>stop and Courier, I don't know whatever.

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<v Speaker 12>And so he did make a stop there.

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<v Speaker 10>And we do have significant people that went to Los

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<v Speaker 12>Burrows and some other people with that.

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<v Speaker 10>Ended up becoming huge prominent figures later in society for

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<v Speaker 10>them to stop there. But what Nick was saying when

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<v Speaker 10>they got to DC and he was going to school there,

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<v Speaker 10>they said that he really wasn't interested in what regular

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<v Speaker 10>kids were interested. He was always at the library, and

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<v Speaker 10>that he went to the library Congress Library, Library of Congress,

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<v Speaker 10>and that he asked specifically for a demonology book and

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<v Speaker 10>like these specifical one that was written, and Nick and

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<v Speaker 10>I were saying that even when we did a deep

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<v Speaker 10>dive into some of these grimoars, to know where these

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<v Speaker 10>grimmoars are, you have to really search and find out

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<v Speaker 10>where it's being housed. The fact that he knew that

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<v Speaker 10>that specific book was at the Library of Congress and

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<v Speaker 10>asked for it and studied it, to me, indicates that

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<v Speaker 10>somebody was involved either in grooming or letting him know

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<v Speaker 10>about this stuff. At a very young age. He was

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<v Speaker 10>going to the library and reading this stuff and wanted

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<v Speaker 10>what an Encyclopedia Britannica or something at the age of

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<v Speaker 10>something for his birthday. It was very odd, very very odd.

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<v Speaker 7>Do you think that there's like ritualism involved, as in,

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<v Speaker 7>like the CIA part is like separate or.

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<v Speaker 9>Well to tie to tie in the books and the LSD.

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<v Speaker 9>When it was the year before Morrison was joining the doors,

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<v Speaker 9>he actually had a storage unit and he only had

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<v Speaker 9>his books in the storage unit, and he literally lived

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<v Speaker 9>on the roof and ate oranges from the orange tree

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<v Speaker 9>and supposedly tripped acid every single day on that roof,

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<v Speaker 9>and he he supposedly would see his mom in the

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<v Speaker 9>moon every time he would trip, and he he had

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<v Speaker 9>almost like a sexual fantasy for his mom, and he

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<v Speaker 9>almost had like a hatred for his dad.

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<v Speaker 5>Yeah, the lyrics of the end, I mean, and they

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<v Speaker 5>touched on that pretty pretty well in the dolliver Stone

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<v Speaker 5>movie and also what Lisa was talking about with the

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<v Speaker 5>Indian stuff that's in the Doors movie. Morrison also mentions

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<v Speaker 5>it in The American Prayer the Live Poetry album, and

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<v Speaker 5>he claimed it was a car crash, but the way

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<v Speaker 5>Lisa's talking about it is more intriguing to me.

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<v Speaker 6>I've never gotten Yeah, I've.

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<v Speaker 8>Never heard about that before.

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<v Speaker 7>But do you feel like it's do you feel like

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<v Speaker 7>did an aspect of this? And I'm just playing Devil's

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<v Speaker 7>advocate because we weren't there, but we do know who

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<v Speaker 7>his father was, and we do know about the Laurel

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<v Speaker 7>Canyon and what they were pulling on us to eat.

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<v Speaker 7>Like sometimes I hear some of this stuff about musicians

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<v Speaker 7>and I'm like, God only fucking knows if any of

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<v Speaker 7>this is true or just made up bullshit to make

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<v Speaker 7>this person seem more interest because it's like they have

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<v Speaker 7>to have a character backstory to make this movie work

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<v Speaker 7>and to make them interesting. And I don't think he's dead.

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<v Speaker 7>I don't think he's part of the twenty seven club

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<v Speaker 7>for real.

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<v Speaker 9>I don't think.

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<v Speaker 7>And it's like the Manson murders. You've got me convinced

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<v Speaker 7>that they probably didn't even happen. So I think some

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<v Speaker 7>of this stuff just it's like to sensationalize the character

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<v Speaker 7>of Jim Morrison. But I almost wonder if everything we

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<v Speaker 7>hear about these celebrities, musicians, whatever, especially coming out of

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<v Speaker 7>the Laurel Canyon, especially someone whose dad literally started the

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<v Speaker 7>Vietnam War and he never talked about that for somebody

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<v Speaker 7>was so anti war and so fucking counterculture, he never

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<v Speaker 7>talked about that shit. So I mean, I don't know

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<v Speaker 7>how much. And it's not to discount anything that anybody's researched.

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<v Speaker 7>It could be true, But I just don't know if

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<v Speaker 7>he's as interesting as they make him out to be

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<v Speaker 7>for real, because we were talking about it, and I

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<v Speaker 7>think a more interesting story would be who he really was,

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<v Speaker 7>like his dad's you know, and all this his connections,

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<v Speaker 7>and that's more interesting than like tripping acid and wanting to.

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<v Speaker 8>Fuck your mom and eating oranges. In my opinion, well,

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<v Speaker 8>a lot of.

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<v Speaker 6>That stuff could be true.

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<v Speaker 5>Like I don't think we need to throw the baby

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<v Speaker 5>out with the bathwater in his past because he was gifted, he.

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<v Speaker 7>Was You don't think it's sensationalized, of course it is.

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<v Speaker 5>I mean I love slash hate the Doors movie the

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<v Speaker 5>Oliver Stone made. I think it's a great movie, but

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<v Speaker 5>maybe twenty five percent of it's even slightly true.

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<v Speaker 4>One thing I did think was weird and me and

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<v Speaker 4>Lisa had I think she had agreed with me. I'm

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<v Speaker 4>not saying like I didn't make me think the story

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<v Speaker 4>is false per se. Maybe just stuff missing. But my

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<v Speaker 4>opinion of three year old coming out and saying a

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<v Speaker 4>lot of that stuff or remembering that stuff from three

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<v Speaker 4>years old is like a little like really like you

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<v Speaker 4>really remember that much detail that you were going through

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<v Speaker 4>los ellsmol three years old?

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<v Speaker 7>Right, or somebody told him that U.

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<v Speaker 10>Ranch itself in and of itself was a huge deal

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<v Speaker 10>in terms of a connection like the guy who started

436
00:22:17.079 --> 00:22:20.200
<v Speaker 10>Los Alamo's school ranch school before Oppenheimer got there. Because

437
00:22:20.200 --> 00:22:22.839
<v Speaker 10>Oppenheimer kind of kicked it all off with Los Alamo's.

438
00:22:23.079 --> 00:22:25.119
<v Speaker 10>I mean, all the credit goes to him in terms of,

439
00:22:25.519 --> 00:22:27.640
<v Speaker 10>you know, the building and the construction and the upbringing

440
00:22:27.640 --> 00:22:30.680
<v Speaker 10>and all that other stuff. But initially the Ranch School

441
00:22:30.720 --> 00:22:34.160
<v Speaker 10>where William S. Burrows was going, where Edward T. Hall,

442
00:22:34.319 --> 00:22:37.799
<v Speaker 10>Roy Chapman, all these guys, Colegate guy were all there.

443
00:22:38.720 --> 00:22:39.920
<v Speaker 12>The main guy who.

444
00:22:39.839 --> 00:22:45.559
<v Speaker 10>Started it, he was at Stanford and there were I

445
00:22:45.599 --> 00:22:48.559
<v Speaker 10>believe he had some sort of tie to you know,

446
00:22:48.640 --> 00:22:50.960
<v Speaker 10>psychology and all that other stuff, which we know that

447
00:22:51.000 --> 00:22:54.799
<v Speaker 10>Stanford's psychology department you see essling kind of you know,

448
00:22:54.839 --> 00:22:58.000
<v Speaker 10>blooming off of that. So to me, I feel like

449
00:22:58.039 --> 00:23:01.039
<v Speaker 10>it's significant that he that they would make a trip

450
00:23:01.079 --> 00:23:04.039
<v Speaker 10>there first and foremost. The other thing that I wanted

451
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<v Speaker 10>to say is that Paul had mentioned in her interview

452
00:23:06.799 --> 00:23:10.720
<v Speaker 10>with him that Morrison was constantly getting in trouble, like

453
00:23:10.759 --> 00:23:13.119
<v Speaker 10>he was constantly getting in trouble with the law, whether

454
00:23:13.160 --> 00:23:15.720
<v Speaker 10>it was state police, local police, it was constant, whether

455
00:23:15.720 --> 00:23:18.160
<v Speaker 10>it was hotels, whether it was drunk, whatever it was,

456
00:23:18.720 --> 00:23:23.039
<v Speaker 10>and that I think somebody had had it. I don't know,

457
00:23:23.079 --> 00:23:25.599
<v Speaker 10>it's like federal or something, and they wanted to pick

458
00:23:25.640 --> 00:23:26.519
<v Speaker 10>him up and take him in.

459
00:23:26.960 --> 00:23:28.640
<v Speaker 12>Why that would be a big deal.

460
00:23:30.160 --> 00:23:34.240
<v Speaker 10>Is that the dad, his dad apparently there was a

461
00:23:34.359 --> 00:23:38.880
<v Speaker 10>letter that was written that the dad actually was wanting

462
00:23:38.960 --> 00:23:44.200
<v Speaker 10>to submit his career or his title in exchange for

463
00:23:44.359 --> 00:23:47.839
<v Speaker 10>letting Morrison go. And I'm like, okay, if it's local

464
00:23:47.920 --> 00:23:51.920
<v Speaker 10>law enforcement or stale enforcement, that would mean nothing, like, hey,

465
00:23:51.960 --> 00:23:55.279
<v Speaker 10>I'm a rear admiral, here's my title to I don't know,

466
00:23:55.440 --> 00:23:58.880
<v Speaker 10>State of Texas. Nobody cares. But would why would that

467
00:23:59.000 --> 00:24:02.680
<v Speaker 10>letter come to me? I think is because he's submitting

468
00:24:02.680 --> 00:24:05.759
<v Speaker 10>it to the federal level. And why is the federal

469
00:24:05.839 --> 00:24:09.920
<v Speaker 10>level getting involved in what you know, disturbances? Morrison is

470
00:24:09.960 --> 00:24:16.079
<v Speaker 10>causing it some of these concerts, I think, well, that's something.

471
00:24:16.440 --> 00:24:21.400
<v Speaker 12>There's meat on that bone for sure. I think is he.

472
00:24:21.400 --> 00:24:23.960
<v Speaker 7>One of your favorites from the Laurel Canyon.

473
00:24:26.039 --> 00:24:29.160
<v Speaker 10>Not not particular, I mean yes, but I think there's

474
00:24:29.200 --> 00:24:33.279
<v Speaker 10>some other ones that I really Eric Clapton was good,

475
00:24:33.640 --> 00:24:37.599
<v Speaker 10>but I really like the females, the like Jody Mitchell

476
00:24:38.480 --> 00:24:42.519
<v Speaker 10>that really kind of like fades away into the.

477
00:24:42.039 --> 00:24:45.680
<v Speaker 12>You know, the limelight or whatever, more dark and twisty.

478
00:24:46.480 --> 00:24:49.559
<v Speaker 7>Did you like like the Mamas and the Papas or anything.

479
00:24:49.599 --> 00:24:52.119
<v Speaker 12>I did like them. I did like them. I like

480
00:24:52.200 --> 00:24:52.799
<v Speaker 12>their music.

481
00:24:52.839 --> 00:24:55.720
<v Speaker 10>But I think the story of like with Joni Mitchell,

482
00:24:55.759 --> 00:24:57.880
<v Speaker 10>I think was very interesting, how she shows up and

483
00:24:57.880 --> 00:25:01.839
<v Speaker 10>everybody's completely floored and fascinating by her. That Eric Clapton,

484
00:25:02.599 --> 00:25:04.400
<v Speaker 10>you know, take his eyes off of her because of

485
00:25:04.480 --> 00:25:07.920
<v Speaker 10>her voice. And the thing is that Joni Mitchell was

486
00:25:07.920 --> 00:25:11.119
<v Speaker 10>brought over from Florida, and they all knew each other,

487
00:25:11.640 --> 00:25:14.440
<v Speaker 10>every single one of the people that lived in Laurel Canyon.

488
00:25:14.480 --> 00:25:17.440
<v Speaker 10>That was another thing when we talked to I think B. T. Wallace,

489
00:25:18.960 --> 00:25:21.839
<v Speaker 10>is that they all knew each other. Their fathers all

490
00:25:21.880 --> 00:25:25.559
<v Speaker 10>worked together in DC or in some sort of capacity

491
00:25:25.640 --> 00:25:30.000
<v Speaker 10>with OSS or with some sort of intelligentsia with the US.

492
00:25:30.319 --> 00:25:32.359
<v Speaker 10>I think in Florida there was a couple of them

493
00:25:32.400 --> 00:25:34.400
<v Speaker 10>that knew each other. I don't remember off the top

494
00:25:34.400 --> 00:25:37.279
<v Speaker 10>of my head exactly why, but they all knew each other.

495
00:25:37.400 --> 00:25:40.680
<v Speaker 10>So when they got there, it's like, you know, like

496
00:25:40.720 --> 00:25:43.160
<v Speaker 10>a bunch of kids that grew up in Martha's vineyard,

497
00:25:43.559 --> 00:25:45.680
<v Speaker 10>you know, taking up residence I don't know, in Marfa,

498
00:25:45.759 --> 00:25:46.640
<v Speaker 10>Texas or something.

499
00:25:47.000 --> 00:25:48.319
<v Speaker 12>That's kind of how I thought.

500
00:25:49.359 --> 00:25:52.920
<v Speaker 11>And a lot of those guys were on strange trips

501
00:25:53.200 --> 00:25:58.799
<v Speaker 11>as young people, traveling around Margina, a lot of different places,

502
00:25:59.359 --> 00:26:02.240
<v Speaker 11>traveling around, and then they all start showing up right

503
00:26:02.240 --> 00:26:03.960
<v Speaker 11>as the war is about to get kicked off. And

504
00:26:04.000 --> 00:26:07.440
<v Speaker 11>the anti war movement's happening is when they all start

505
00:26:07.480 --> 00:26:08.039
<v Speaker 11>showing up.

506
00:26:08.160 --> 00:26:13.920
<v Speaker 7>And but yeah, for no reason whatsoever, because the Laurel

507
00:26:14.000 --> 00:26:18.400
<v Speaker 7>Canyon was not a music scene. The major music scene

508
00:26:18.519 --> 00:26:25.559
<v Speaker 7>was like Memphis, where else like New York, New York, Chicago. Yeah,

509
00:26:25.640 --> 00:26:28.799
<v Speaker 7>it wasn't fucking there wasn't anything going on in the

510
00:26:28.839 --> 00:26:35.079
<v Speaker 7>Laurel Canyon. They just started migrating there for unexplained reasons.

511
00:26:35.240 --> 00:26:35.759
<v Speaker 8>Literally.

512
00:26:36.079 --> 00:26:40.000
<v Speaker 5>Well, and Vito Polikus is another interesting numbers because he

513
00:26:40.079 --> 00:26:42.519
<v Speaker 5>had the freaks that would show up at these concerts

514
00:26:42.559 --> 00:26:45.519
<v Speaker 5>and a lot of people hadn't seen anything like that before,

515
00:26:45.599 --> 00:26:47.680
<v Speaker 5>so that was mainly you know, that was the big

516
00:26:47.720 --> 00:26:49.759
<v Speaker 5>attraction of a lot of these shows in these small

517
00:26:49.880 --> 00:26:51.920
<v Speaker 5>la clubs was these.

518
00:26:51.759 --> 00:26:53.720
<v Speaker 6>Freaking freaky hippie chicks dancing.

519
00:26:54.160 --> 00:26:56.960
<v Speaker 5>And the guy that orchestrated that, I mean, his son

520
00:26:57.079 --> 00:26:59.599
<v Speaker 5>died when he was like he was like three or four,

521
00:27:00.279 --> 00:27:04.799
<v Speaker 5>go to poly and he was replaced by Bobby Bousselet

522
00:27:05.519 --> 00:27:09.960
<v Speaker 5>and a Kenneth Anger film like this guy actually made

523
00:27:09.960 --> 00:27:11.839
<v Speaker 5>it okay to go to one of these shows where

524
00:27:11.839 --> 00:27:15.400
<v Speaker 5>the musicians really sucked and you would just it was

525
00:27:15.480 --> 00:27:18.400
<v Speaker 5>just became a big party. And I mean in the fifties,

526
00:27:18.440 --> 00:27:21.960
<v Speaker 5>you didn't really have that, Like it was just about

527
00:27:21.960 --> 00:27:23.480
<v Speaker 5>the music really in the dancing.

528
00:27:23.599 --> 00:27:26.160
<v Speaker 7>But do you remember what I always say about like

529
00:27:26.359 --> 00:27:29.440
<v Speaker 7>the plane crash with like Buddy Holly and the Big

530
00:27:29.480 --> 00:27:32.279
<v Speaker 7>Bopper and all those fuckers on it. That was like

531
00:27:32.480 --> 00:27:36.079
<v Speaker 7>the ending of an era for the counterculture scene to

532
00:27:36.160 --> 00:27:39.880
<v Speaker 7>take off, because that was the last of that generation

533
00:27:40.039 --> 00:27:44.599
<v Speaker 7>of like intent kind of like puppy dum music, and

534
00:27:44.680 --> 00:27:51.160
<v Speaker 7>then all over and after that playing crass hippie, don't

535
00:27:51.200 --> 00:27:55.720
<v Speaker 7>shape pits, don't wear out all, don't take birth control

536
00:27:56.519 --> 00:28:00.720
<v Speaker 7>and also uh smoked ru uggs and.

537
00:28:02.319 --> 00:28:02.799
<v Speaker 8>What else.

538
00:28:02.920 --> 00:28:05.559
<v Speaker 7>I mean, that's in my opinion, I feel like it

539
00:28:05.680 --> 00:28:09.200
<v Speaker 7>was almost like an overnight kind of transition from Buddy

540
00:28:09.279 --> 00:28:11.559
<v Speaker 7>Hawley to Frank Zappa.

541
00:28:13.480 --> 00:28:16.680
<v Speaker 11>Yeah, hippie was invented right there in those clubs, right

542
00:28:16.680 --> 00:28:20.920
<v Speaker 11>there by Laurel Canyon. I complete, complete invention.

543
00:28:22.160 --> 00:28:24.160
<v Speaker 2>And like you said, it was freaks. They wanted to go.

544
00:28:24.359 --> 00:28:27.799
<v Speaker 11>People would show up for the freak aspect of it,

545
00:28:27.839 --> 00:28:29.559
<v Speaker 11>and they didn't care how shitty the music was.

546
00:28:29.680 --> 00:28:32.480
<v Speaker 6>So one thing.

547
00:28:32.680 --> 00:28:36.160
<v Speaker 10>Two things actually so Morrison and not you know it

548
00:28:36.160 --> 00:28:38.599
<v Speaker 10>sounds like I'm just suck on Morrison. I apologize to

549
00:28:38.640 --> 00:28:42.960
<v Speaker 10>the chat and to you, Morrison got a degree in cinematologism, sorry,

550
00:28:43.880 --> 00:28:51.079
<v Speaker 10>cinematography from UCLA, which would be Liberal Arts type college,

551
00:28:51.160 --> 00:28:54.559
<v Speaker 10>right or the department, right. Usually you have them kind

552
00:28:54.559 --> 00:28:58.240
<v Speaker 10>of collated in departments. And so one of the things

553
00:28:58.279 --> 00:29:01.480
<v Speaker 10>that you know, we talk about as Stanford and Essellin

554
00:29:01.680 --> 00:29:04.559
<v Speaker 10>always being associated, where we don't realize is that some

555
00:29:04.720 --> 00:29:10.480
<v Speaker 10>of the original professors or scientists that started this whole

556
00:29:10.559 --> 00:29:14.400
<v Speaker 10>kickoff with Stanford and Essellin first came from UCLA and

557
00:29:14.480 --> 00:29:17.279
<v Speaker 10>they started in that department of the Liberal Arts College.

558
00:29:17.839 --> 00:29:20.359
<v Speaker 12>So that's also to kind of keep in mind.

559
00:29:20.480 --> 00:29:23.400
<v Speaker 10>And it was about the time when Morrison was in

560
00:29:23.480 --> 00:29:27.880
<v Speaker 10>school at UCLA. So I think again we have another connection,

561
00:29:28.519 --> 00:29:31.880
<v Speaker 10>another connection, kind of pivoting off what Mike said is

562
00:29:31.920 --> 00:29:34.880
<v Speaker 10>that no one really looks at the Troubadour, which was

563
00:29:35.000 --> 00:29:38.359
<v Speaker 10>the club where all these people were playing there outside

564
00:29:38.359 --> 00:29:41.640
<v Speaker 10>of Laurel Canyon, and he was the main guy that

565
00:29:42.200 --> 00:29:46.119
<v Speaker 10>if you played there, you could play there for free,

566
00:29:46.200 --> 00:29:48.079
<v Speaker 10>as long as that when you made it big, you

567
00:29:48.200 --> 00:29:52.000
<v Speaker 10>had to come back and play. His parents, I believe

568
00:29:52.039 --> 00:29:54.160
<v Speaker 10>his parents were German or he was a German descent

569
00:29:54.240 --> 00:29:57.359
<v Speaker 10>of sort. The owner from the troubador I forget his name,

570
00:29:58.480 --> 00:30:01.559
<v Speaker 10>but nobody really mentioned him. He had to have been

571
00:30:01.559 --> 00:30:04.160
<v Speaker 10>integral into this whole scene, you know what I mean.

572
00:30:04.240 --> 00:30:05.960
<v Speaker 12>I mean they had to have.

573
00:30:05.960 --> 00:30:09.799
<v Speaker 10>Gotten exposure somewhere. And who designated Troubadour to be the

574
00:30:09.799 --> 00:30:13.519
<v Speaker 10>club to be exposed exposing these people?

575
00:30:15.039 --> 00:30:16.599
<v Speaker 8>I'm not familiar with that, are you.

576
00:30:17.680 --> 00:30:20.200
<v Speaker 6>I didn't know about the guy, I know about the club.

577
00:30:20.279 --> 00:30:23.920
<v Speaker 12>Let me look up the name of the Troubadour A

578
00:30:23.960 --> 00:30:26.920
<v Speaker 12>second Alexander Douglas Weston.

579
00:30:27.599 --> 00:30:30.200
<v Speaker 7>Oh, that sounds like a suspicious name.

580
00:30:30.720 --> 00:30:32.960
<v Speaker 12>She was the owner of the Troubadour.

581
00:30:33.960 --> 00:30:34.920
<v Speaker 7>Alexander what.

582
00:30:36.400 --> 00:30:41.599
<v Speaker 10>Alexander Douglas Doug Weston, And he was the owner Troubadour

583
00:30:42.039 --> 00:30:45.519
<v Speaker 10>And it was located at ninety eighty one Santa Monica

584
00:30:45.599 --> 00:30:48.519
<v Speaker 10>Boulevard Wen.

585
00:30:50.559 --> 00:30:54.279
<v Speaker 12>But I was initially a coffeehouse, was it?

586
00:30:54.319 --> 00:30:59.279
<v Speaker 7>But like I know, was it on the Sunset Strip?

587
00:31:00.119 --> 00:31:00.880
<v Speaker 6>Santa Monica?

588
00:31:01.000 --> 00:31:01.960
<v Speaker 8>Santa Monica?

589
00:31:02.000 --> 00:31:02.680
<v Speaker 7>Is that close?

590
00:31:03.519 --> 00:31:06.799
<v Speaker 5>I mean, it's it's all close down there, depending on traffic,

591
00:31:06.960 --> 00:31:10.920
<v Speaker 5>but I would Yeah, there's like three clubs that were

592
00:31:11.039 --> 00:31:13.480
<v Speaker 5>kind of featuring these bands, and the.

593
00:31:13.519 --> 00:31:16.759
<v Speaker 8>Freaks were at some club on Sunset Strip.

594
00:31:16.880 --> 00:31:19.680
<v Speaker 6>Well, there was the Whiskey Go Go. Yeah, that's what

595
00:31:19.720 --> 00:31:21.200
<v Speaker 6>it was and the Troubadour.

596
00:31:21.240 --> 00:31:24.000
<v Speaker 5>I don't I'm blinking on the other one, but you know,

597
00:31:24.079 --> 00:31:27.079
<v Speaker 5>in the beginning, it was kind of crazy because the

598
00:31:27.119 --> 00:31:29.799
<v Speaker 5>log Cabin was like a kind of a hangout spot

599
00:31:29.839 --> 00:31:33.519
<v Speaker 5>where Zappa and I mean this is really close to

600
00:31:33.519 --> 00:31:34.720
<v Speaker 5>the Manson Slanes too.

601
00:31:35.000 --> 00:31:36.200
<v Speaker 6>I mean it all links together.

602
00:31:36.279 --> 00:31:41.599
<v Speaker 5>But Frank Zappa, Mama Cass and one that nobody even

603
00:31:41.640 --> 00:31:44.839
<v Speaker 5>really talks about that's one of my favorites is Captain Beefheart.

604
00:31:44.960 --> 00:31:48.720
<v Speaker 6>He kind of came on later, but Captain Beefheart's story

605
00:31:48.799 --> 00:31:49.279
<v Speaker 6>is crazy.

606
00:31:49.319 --> 00:31:53.240
<v Speaker 5>He would actually like imprison his bandmates and make them

607
00:31:53.279 --> 00:31:56.599
<v Speaker 5>record under extreme hydration and starvation.

608
00:31:57.240 --> 00:31:59.000
<v Speaker 6>I think, yeah, the third album.

609
00:31:59.039 --> 00:32:01.359
<v Speaker 5>I like beef Heart first few albums and he kind

610
00:32:01.359 --> 00:32:04.279
<v Speaker 5>of gets out there, but I just think he's one.

611
00:32:04.079 --> 00:32:06.640
<v Speaker 6>That doesn't really get talked about with Laura's stuff.

612
00:32:06.720 --> 00:32:11.039
<v Speaker 7>Locked them up and dehydrated and instead play this music.

613
00:32:11.240 --> 00:32:14.559
<v Speaker 6>Yes, and it was like real weird off the wall music.

614
00:32:14.680 --> 00:32:17.519
<v Speaker 5>One of the I think it was the drummer escaped

615
00:32:17.640 --> 00:32:20.279
<v Speaker 5>during the recording sessions and he ended up I think

616
00:32:20.279 --> 00:32:22.279
<v Speaker 5>he came back out of guilt or something.

617
00:32:22.319 --> 00:32:23.559
<v Speaker 8>Oh my god.

618
00:32:25.960 --> 00:32:29.680
<v Speaker 9>Not not only that, the bass player who also was

619
00:32:29.720 --> 00:32:33.240
<v Speaker 9>the bass player for Zappa for a while. I can't

620
00:32:33.319 --> 00:32:38.400
<v Speaker 9>remember his name right offhand, but he's actually a like

621
00:32:38.480 --> 00:32:43.200
<v Speaker 9>a sexual predator, Like he's had cases against him since

622
00:32:43.240 --> 00:32:47.119
<v Speaker 9>the seventies and I think he's even back in prison again.

623
00:32:47.519 --> 00:32:53.759
<v Speaker 7>Well, he deserved to be dehydrated and maybe something.

624
00:32:54.160 --> 00:32:58.160
<v Speaker 9>When he was a child, he was a child prodigy sculptor,

625
00:32:59.359 --> 00:33:02.440
<v Speaker 9>and there was like a lot of mystery behind the

626
00:33:02.559 --> 00:33:05.960
<v Speaker 9>teacher and everything, and they've actually there's actually been a

627
00:33:06.000 --> 00:33:09.240
<v Speaker 9>lot of information that's come out about the guy that

628
00:33:09.359 --> 00:33:12.160
<v Speaker 9>taught him how to scolpt when he was a little kid.

629
00:33:13.079 --> 00:33:16.240
<v Speaker 9>And then he actually became really good friends with Zappa

630
00:33:16.279 --> 00:33:20.319
<v Speaker 9>in high school and then he was in the Zappa

631
00:33:20.319 --> 00:33:22.920
<v Speaker 9>Band and then he separated from that and started the

632
00:33:22.920 --> 00:33:24.480
<v Speaker 9>beef Art Captain beef Art.

633
00:33:24.519 --> 00:33:27.519
<v Speaker 5>Yeah, and wasn't Zappa kind of the main producer of

634
00:33:27.559 --> 00:33:29.759
<v Speaker 5>his like launch into it.

635
00:33:30.559 --> 00:33:33.480
<v Speaker 6>Yeah, he produced and that was Cooper. Yeah.

636
00:33:33.480 --> 00:33:35.200
<v Speaker 5>I was just gonna say those were his two brand

637
00:33:35.279 --> 00:33:37.240
<v Speaker 5>children really exactly.

638
00:33:37.319 --> 00:33:41.559
<v Speaker 7>Yeah, didn't Zappa grow up Edge would Arsenal Well, that's.

639
00:33:41.480 --> 00:33:42.599
<v Speaker 6>Where his dad worked.

640
00:33:42.920 --> 00:33:47.319
<v Speaker 5>And funny because you get Morrison's dad at the Gulf

641
00:33:47.359 --> 00:33:49.599
<v Speaker 5>of Tonken and then you have Zappa's dad making the

642
00:33:49.640 --> 00:33:51.279
<v Speaker 5>chemical weapons that they were going to use.

643
00:33:51.519 --> 00:33:57.519
<v Speaker 7>John Phillips dad farking I mean Jackson Brown's dad, and

644
00:33:57.759 --> 00:34:03.240
<v Speaker 7>someone else that people forget about, John Denver, who is

645
00:34:03.359 --> 00:34:08.159
<v Speaker 7>definitely Laurel Canyon, and his dad was some high up motherfucker.

646
00:34:08.679 --> 00:34:15.119
<v Speaker 7>What was he a captain at Roswell Army Airfield? Yeah,

647
00:34:15.239 --> 00:34:20.000
<v Speaker 7>Roswell literally, and then he goes on to be on

648
00:34:20.039 --> 00:34:23.559
<v Speaker 7>the board of Governors for NASA for many years. He's

649
00:34:23.599 --> 00:34:28.559
<v Speaker 7>responsible for the first citizens space flight that hit the Challenger.

650
00:34:28.960 --> 00:34:32.960
<v Speaker 7>That's John Denver's fucking idea. And then it I mean,

651
00:34:33.079 --> 00:34:36.239
<v Speaker 7>whether or not you believe those people actually died, it's

652
00:34:36.559 --> 00:34:38.599
<v Speaker 7>just as fake as everything else that came out of

653
00:34:38.599 --> 00:34:41.719
<v Speaker 7>the Laurel Canyon. But I mean John Denver was friends

654
00:34:41.719 --> 00:34:45.039
<v Speaker 7>with Mama Cass and all of them. I mean, look,

655
00:34:45.079 --> 00:34:49.440
<v Speaker 7>Denver was a sharpshooter during the Korean War. Thank you, Evanna.

656
00:34:49.599 --> 00:34:52.519
<v Speaker 7>I didn't fucking know that. That is some good information

657
00:34:52.719 --> 00:34:53.000
<v Speaker 7>to know.

658
00:34:54.199 --> 00:34:55.320
<v Speaker 6>I never heard that either.

659
00:34:55.800 --> 00:34:59.800
<v Speaker 1>I never heard that.

660
00:34:59.199 --> 00:35:02.559
<v Speaker 5>Ros Another one, fucking Crosby was one of the more

661
00:35:02.599 --> 00:35:05.280
<v Speaker 5>interesting ones to me because I think a lot of

662
00:35:05.280 --> 00:35:08.280
<v Speaker 5>these guys were just like useful idiots. But then you

663
00:35:08.360 --> 00:35:11.639
<v Speaker 5>had people at Crosby who probably had a hand and

664
00:35:11.760 --> 00:35:13.320
<v Speaker 5>orchestrated the whole series.

665
00:35:13.400 --> 00:35:17.079
<v Speaker 7>His family literally goes back to the Declaration of Independence.

666
00:35:19.719 --> 00:35:24.119
<v Speaker 9>A pretty important character. He's I don't think maybe directly

667
00:35:24.199 --> 00:35:28.599
<v Speaker 9>tied to Laurel Canyon. But but Bill Graham, the promoter,

668
00:35:28.840 --> 00:35:31.159
<v Speaker 9>he had like the Phil Moore East, he had the

669
00:35:31.199 --> 00:35:35.159
<v Speaker 9>Fillmore West. He was basically the guy that started the

670
00:35:35.199 --> 00:35:41.440
<v Speaker 9>Grateful Dead. He started Santana, he started Quicksilver Messenger Service.

671
00:35:41.559 --> 00:35:47.400
<v Speaker 9>All the San Francisco bands, Jimmie Hendricks, all the same stuff.

672
00:35:47.440 --> 00:35:49.760
<v Speaker 4>So you see Rachel all those bands that you just mentioned.

673
00:35:49.800 --> 00:35:52.639
<v Speaker 4>Though playing live, they are known for going into like

674
00:35:53.159 --> 00:35:57.679
<v Speaker 4>weird jam sessions, all three of those. All those people do.

675
00:35:57.960 --> 00:36:01.159
<v Speaker 7>But do you think it almost kind of like brain something?

676
00:36:01.199 --> 00:36:07.840
<v Speaker 7>Oh for sure that they.

677
00:36:05.480 --> 00:36:07.679
<v Speaker 1>Did underground did that too live?

678
00:36:08.480 --> 00:36:13.599
<v Speaker 9>The acid test, the original acid tests where the Grateful

679
00:36:13.639 --> 00:36:16.800
<v Speaker 9>Dead was just the house banned and they started up

680
00:36:16.840 --> 00:36:21.159
<v Speaker 9>there in northern California. They worked their way down every

681
00:36:21.199 --> 00:36:25.800
<v Speaker 9>basically every night to a different area where they got

682
00:36:25.800 --> 00:36:30.039
<v Speaker 9>all the way down to Watts l A. And every

683
00:36:30.199 --> 00:36:34.199
<v Speaker 9>night they just dripped acid and uh, they just had peep.

684
00:36:34.599 --> 00:36:36.519
<v Speaker 9>It was just a house party. They would have like

685
00:36:36.960 --> 00:36:41.800
<v Speaker 9>instruments laying around and microphones that would be everywhere, and

686
00:36:42.960 --> 00:36:47.000
<v Speaker 9>people were encouraged to just like make noises and say

687
00:36:47.039 --> 00:36:48.280
<v Speaker 9>all kinds of strange stuff.

688
00:36:50.039 --> 00:36:54.320
<v Speaker 5>Yeah, I'll answer that last comment about the police, because.

689
00:36:55.719 --> 00:36:57.920
<v Speaker 6>Yeah, it's uh yeah.

690
00:36:57.880 --> 00:37:00.159
<v Speaker 5>The Copeland brothers and then I mean they all they

691
00:37:00.239 --> 00:37:01.920
<v Speaker 5>had like three major record labels.

692
00:37:01.960 --> 00:37:04.960
<v Speaker 6>It was the CIA, the Irs, and I don't remember

693
00:37:05.000 --> 00:37:05.599
<v Speaker 6>the third one.

694
00:37:05.719 --> 00:37:10.519
<v Speaker 5>But McGowan in his prologue as if maybe he was

695
00:37:10.559 --> 00:37:16.039
<v Speaker 5>planning on doing a Laurel canyonesque out of the eighties,

696
00:37:16.519 --> 00:37:20.119
<v Speaker 5>and the Copeland thing is huge. I think that one,

697
00:37:20.760 --> 00:37:25.360
<v Speaker 5>like somebody should actually write that book because it's just

698
00:37:25.400 --> 00:37:29.320
<v Speaker 5>as intriguing. I mean, Laurel Canyon formula never really stopped.

699
00:37:29.639 --> 00:37:33.239
<v Speaker 5>I love to compare it to grunge because.

700
00:37:33.440 --> 00:37:34.599
<v Speaker 6>The formula was the same.

701
00:37:34.880 --> 00:37:40.039
<v Speaker 5>They tweaked it a little bit for the times. But yeah,

702
00:37:40.280 --> 00:37:42.880
<v Speaker 5>the the Copeland thing is a really good tangent to

703
00:37:42.880 --> 00:37:44.760
<v Speaker 5>look into. The other one was the FBI. I was

704
00:37:44.800 --> 00:37:46.960
<v Speaker 5>going to say that, but I was like, fuck, I

705
00:37:47.000 --> 00:37:47.639
<v Speaker 5>guess it was.

706
00:37:48.199 --> 00:37:51.199
<v Speaker 7>The comments are on fire, and somebody cleared up that

707
00:37:51.239 --> 00:37:56.079
<v Speaker 7>thing about John Dinver too. They said it was a rumor.

708
00:37:56.199 --> 00:37:59.320
<v Speaker 5>It's like how mister Rogers had had all these kills

709
00:37:59.360 --> 00:38:03.320
<v Speaker 5>and tats being I remember believing that I.

710
00:38:03.239 --> 00:38:08.360
<v Speaker 7>Heard, well didn't but didn't. So we actually interviewed a guy,

711
00:38:09.400 --> 00:38:13.159
<v Speaker 7>his name is John Gusty, and he said that John Denver.

712
00:38:14.199 --> 00:38:16.119
<v Speaker 6>He takes his trans it's.

713
00:38:16.000 --> 00:38:18.800
<v Speaker 7>Trans, that John Denver is a woman.

714
00:38:21.000 --> 00:38:22.679
<v Speaker 6>Well, I'm not gonna I'm not gonna lie.

715
00:38:22.719 --> 00:38:25.760
<v Speaker 5>The next time we had that plan, I don't remember

716
00:38:25.800 --> 00:38:27.159
<v Speaker 5>what song it was, but I was like, I could

717
00:38:27.159 --> 00:38:29.079
<v Speaker 5>easily be I'm not saying I believe it.

718
00:38:29.199 --> 00:38:34.280
<v Speaker 7>He's small and he has small hands. I do love

719
00:38:34.400 --> 00:38:37.599
<v Speaker 7>John Denver, though, did he say he said somebody else

720
00:38:37.599 --> 00:38:40.159
<v Speaker 7>from the Laurel Canyon? Didn't he?

721
00:38:40.159 --> 00:38:41.679
<v Speaker 6>He thinks a lot of people are trans.

722
00:38:42.000 --> 00:38:52.079
<v Speaker 9>Maybe Grandpa, my grandpa. We said Rod Stewart was.

723
00:38:53.079 --> 00:38:56.559
<v Speaker 6>Is he still alive? I was gonna say we should get.

724
00:38:56.519 --> 00:39:01.039
<v Speaker 5>Him in on one of these damn it you folks.

725
00:39:01.159 --> 00:39:05.000
<v Speaker 7>Was kind of small. Jackson Brown definitely could be trans

726
00:39:05.440 --> 00:39:08.519
<v Speaker 7>and his dad was in the OSS, so he's a

727
00:39:08.519 --> 00:39:11.719
<v Speaker 7>trans Nazis.

728
00:39:12.920 --> 00:39:14.960
<v Speaker 4>What do you think, like overall, what do you think

729
00:39:15.039 --> 00:39:17.000
<v Speaker 4>was the purpose of like Lower Canyon? Was that, like

730
00:39:17.119 --> 00:39:18.760
<v Speaker 4>you think it was a bunch of different things going on.

731
00:39:18.840 --> 00:39:20.880
<v Speaker 4>It was everything was tied into each other.

732
00:39:21.760 --> 00:39:25.800
<v Speaker 7>Can I go first, I think that they were running

733
00:39:25.800 --> 00:39:28.760
<v Speaker 7>the counterculture movement at the same time with the serial

734
00:39:28.840 --> 00:39:34.159
<v Speaker 7>killer movement, because they the main the first serial killers

735
00:39:34.199 --> 00:39:36.960
<v Speaker 7>came out of the sixties around the same time all

736
00:39:37.000 --> 00:39:40.440
<v Speaker 7>this Laurel Canyon stuff was going down, and they were

737
00:39:40.440 --> 00:39:43.519
<v Speaker 7>like forcing independence on women and telling him to get

738
00:39:43.559 --> 00:39:45.800
<v Speaker 7>out there and go do stuff. And then at the

739
00:39:45.840 --> 00:39:49.719
<v Speaker 7>same time there was people like Manson, Zodiac Ed Bundy

740
00:39:49.880 --> 00:39:54.119
<v Speaker 7>just ripping and running through chicks, just literally slashing their way.

741
00:39:54.000 --> 00:39:55.000
<v Speaker 8>Up and down the coast.

742
00:39:55.559 --> 00:40:00.000
<v Speaker 7>And so it was like a mixing of different cultures.

743
00:40:00.800 --> 00:40:05.599
<v Speaker 7>It's a five layer burrito, okay, countercultures. At the bottom,

744
00:40:05.760 --> 00:40:10.800
<v Speaker 7>it's the rice and then the beef is uh programmed

745
00:40:10.800 --> 00:40:13.559
<v Speaker 7>to kill, right with the serial killers. But then there's

746
00:40:13.599 --> 00:40:16.760
<v Speaker 7>other layers, right like the nacho cheese, and you keep going.

747
00:40:17.039 --> 00:40:19.599
<v Speaker 7>But I think it's it was just part of like

748
00:40:20.280 --> 00:40:27.440
<v Speaker 7>a multi layered psychological operation because they affect the culture

749
00:40:28.239 --> 00:40:31.199
<v Speaker 7>and then it's so easy. It's like Colby said, they

750
00:40:31.280 --> 00:40:34.280
<v Speaker 7>just repeated it throughout time with new serial killers and

751
00:40:34.400 --> 00:40:37.719
<v Speaker 7>new music scenes. So it was like the eighties and

752
00:40:37.760 --> 00:40:40.960
<v Speaker 7>then the nineties with like Nirvana and shit, and they

753
00:40:41.119 --> 00:40:45.199
<v Speaker 7>just get new people to play these same archetypal characters,

754
00:40:45.519 --> 00:40:48.760
<v Speaker 7>and they just keep like upping it every time.

755
00:40:48.840 --> 00:40:50.079
<v Speaker 8>Go ahead, honey, what do you think?

756
00:40:50.400 --> 00:40:52.519
<v Speaker 5>Well, I think it is a layer of things you

757
00:40:52.559 --> 00:40:55.039
<v Speaker 5>got to talk about, like Gordon Wasson going down to

758
00:40:55.119 --> 00:40:59.079
<v Speaker 5>Mexico with the Time magazine article. The same time timis

759
00:40:59.079 --> 00:41:02.199
<v Speaker 5>with Timothy Layer. He's doing his thing coming out of

760
00:41:02.239 --> 00:41:05.840
<v Speaker 5>Hartford with the LSD stuff. He admitted he was a

761
00:41:05.840 --> 00:41:10.000
<v Speaker 5>CIA guy like way before he died. And then you

762
00:41:10.079 --> 00:41:13.760
<v Speaker 5>got to take into the Bay areas going on around

763
00:41:13.800 --> 00:41:16.719
<v Speaker 5>then too. It was like, yeah, you can control culture,

764
00:41:16.760 --> 00:41:19.239
<v Speaker 5>but you don't really control culture unless you control the

765
00:41:19.280 --> 00:41:19.960
<v Speaker 5>counter culture.

766
00:41:19.960 --> 00:41:22.000
<v Speaker 6>And the best way to control it is to create it.

767
00:41:22.480 --> 00:41:25.880
<v Speaker 6>And it's just I mean the Hegelian dialectic divide and conquer.

768
00:41:26.599 --> 00:41:30.360
<v Speaker 5>It's I don't think there's like one easy way to

769
00:41:30.440 --> 00:41:31.840
<v Speaker 5>just wrap it up in a sentence.

770
00:41:32.280 --> 00:41:35.519
<v Speaker 7>Well, it went from like literally like buddy Holly to

771
00:41:35.760 --> 00:41:38.599
<v Speaker 7>fucking who has canos?

772
00:41:39.920 --> 00:41:40.800
<v Speaker 6>You're talking about your.

773
00:41:42.400 --> 00:41:42.639
<v Speaker 2>Oh?

774
00:41:42.719 --> 00:41:48.599
<v Speaker 7>Yes, Well, you know something else that people don't talk

775
00:41:48.639 --> 00:41:53.000
<v Speaker 7>about in relation to the Laurel Canyon is that with

776
00:41:53.159 --> 00:41:57.000
<v Speaker 7>the serial killer movement thing with Manson coming out of California,

777
00:41:57.159 --> 00:42:02.159
<v Speaker 7>Zodiac coming out of California, there's also the fucking Black Dahlia,

778
00:42:02.280 --> 00:42:04.519
<v Speaker 7>which isn't necessarily part of the sixties.

779
00:42:04.559 --> 00:42:07.119
<v Speaker 8>Oh, Lisa, you know about this, right, Yeah?

780
00:42:07.199 --> 00:42:10.760
<v Speaker 10>So the so the whole forty seven nineteen forty seven,

781
00:42:10.840 --> 00:42:14.880
<v Speaker 10>you know Roswell, you have a switchover from OSSSCIA, You

782
00:42:14.960 --> 00:42:19.400
<v Speaker 10>have the creation of the Air Force Division of the military.

783
00:42:20.119 --> 00:42:23.840
<v Speaker 10>You also have Croley dying in December. The main event

784
00:42:24.000 --> 00:42:26.760
<v Speaker 10>that's been in forty seven at the very beginning was

785
00:42:27.199 --> 00:42:28.320
<v Speaker 10>in January was.

786
00:42:28.280 --> 00:42:29.400
<v Speaker 12>The Black Dahlia death.

787
00:42:31.280 --> 00:42:33.039
<v Speaker 10>It kicked it all off, and I think it was

788
00:42:33.079 --> 00:42:38.679
<v Speaker 10>one of the most publicized deaths and almost like a

789
00:42:38.679 --> 00:42:42.639
<v Speaker 10>traumatizing way to traumatize the public was that.

790
00:42:43.400 --> 00:42:48.320
<v Speaker 7>And if you look into who was probably responsible for that,

791
00:42:48.440 --> 00:42:55.280
<v Speaker 7>it does go back to the Laurel Canyon because because

792
00:42:56.320 --> 00:43:02.519
<v Speaker 7>the Hodel guy, right, George Hodell, his daughter later became

793
00:43:02.599 --> 00:43:07.000
<v Speaker 7>friends with Michelle Phillips right from the Mamas and the Papas.

794
00:43:07.679 --> 00:43:13.880
<v Speaker 7>So it does tie back to Laurel Canyon. But I mean, okay,

795
00:43:14.000 --> 00:43:17.079
<v Speaker 7>I feel like if there's anything that's like CIA or

796
00:43:17.119 --> 00:43:19.199
<v Speaker 7>you need to look into it some more, it'll be

797
00:43:19.280 --> 00:43:23.840
<v Speaker 7>on an episode of Ghost Adventures. And fucking Nick knows

798
00:43:23.880 --> 00:43:26.519
<v Speaker 7>this because we talk about it all the time. If

799
00:43:26.559 --> 00:43:29.960
<v Speaker 7>you want to know some sketchy ass shit, Zach Began's

800
00:43:29.960 --> 00:43:33.280
<v Speaker 7>will show up with a freaking EMF detector. And he

801
00:43:33.360 --> 00:43:36.880
<v Speaker 7>went to George Hodell's house in the Laurel Canyon and

802
00:43:37.039 --> 00:43:40.079
<v Speaker 7>was like, oh, he was incestuous with his daughter and

803
00:43:40.119 --> 00:43:42.400
<v Speaker 7>all that, And I'm like, of course he shows up there,

804
00:43:42.480 --> 00:43:46.480
<v Speaker 7>like that's perfect, but I do think that it was

805
00:43:46.519 --> 00:43:50.519
<v Speaker 7>probably him, and he was incestuous with his daughter. A

806
00:43:50.519 --> 00:43:53.280
<v Speaker 7>lot of the weirdos out of the Laurel Canyon were

807
00:43:53.280 --> 00:43:59.400
<v Speaker 7>incestuous with their daughters. John Phillips was apparently, Frank Zappa

808
00:43:59.559 --> 00:44:02.920
<v Speaker 7>was doing weird stuff with his clothes, and there was

809
00:44:02.960 --> 00:44:04.320
<v Speaker 7>another one am I forgetting.

810
00:44:05.000 --> 00:44:06.920
<v Speaker 6>Oh there's many and.

811
00:44:06.880 --> 00:44:09.559
<v Speaker 7>They were all just running train on their own kids.

812
00:44:09.880 --> 00:44:12.000
<v Speaker 7>The Oh no, wait, no, that was.

813
00:44:13.519 --> 00:44:17.559
<v Speaker 9>The hotel he would he would even let like when

814
00:44:17.559 --> 00:44:21.360
<v Speaker 9>he had house parties like the like celebrities and stuff,

815
00:44:22.679 --> 00:44:25.039
<v Speaker 9>have sech with his daughter and everything, and then the

816
00:44:25.119 --> 00:44:26.559
<v Speaker 9>house was like a Mayan.

817
00:44:26.400 --> 00:44:33.239
<v Speaker 7>Temple yep, yep, and so the.

818
00:44:31.920 --> 00:44:36.760
<v Speaker 9>And she was like that. Ties into the house, they

819
00:44:36.840 --> 00:44:40.320
<v Speaker 9>found like the black Doahia's body, like in the same

820
00:44:40.400 --> 00:44:44.599
<v Speaker 9>kind of concrete bags that they had at the house

821
00:44:45.000 --> 00:44:46.719
<v Speaker 9>that was used during construction.

822
00:44:48.079 --> 00:44:50.840
<v Speaker 7>I don't know what this comment is about the Layton family.

823
00:44:51.159 --> 00:44:56.880
<v Speaker 7>If you read Dave McGowan's blog, there's a whole section

824
00:44:57.280 --> 00:44:59.599
<v Speaker 7>just on the black Dahlia. And after you read that,

825
00:44:59.639 --> 00:45:02.599
<v Speaker 7>after you see the evidence, I doubt you'll you'll think

826
00:45:02.639 --> 00:45:05.800
<v Speaker 7>it's anybody but the Hodell family. And also she got

827
00:45:05.840 --> 00:45:10.119
<v Speaker 7>pregnant by her father and that kid is still alive.

828
00:45:10.559 --> 00:45:15.400
<v Speaker 7>And you know that the brother of I think her

829
00:45:15.440 --> 00:45:19.920
<v Speaker 7>name was Tamar, wasn't it, yes, Maar Hodell. Yeah, her

830
00:45:19.960 --> 00:45:23.920
<v Speaker 7>brother wrote, has written books and done interviews and he

831
00:45:24.400 --> 00:45:28.159
<v Speaker 7>apparently they were doing ritualism in that house. I mean,

832
00:45:28.480 --> 00:45:30.719
<v Speaker 7>it wasn't just a black dahlia. They were like cutting

833
00:45:30.760 --> 00:45:32.880
<v Speaker 7>bitches up and the basement and stuff.

834
00:45:33.199 --> 00:45:38.239
<v Speaker 9>Well, doctor Hodell, that's what he did. He did illegal abortions.

835
00:45:41.480 --> 00:45:43.320
<v Speaker 9>That was part of what he did. It was like

836
00:45:43.360 --> 00:45:45.280
<v Speaker 9>a thing he couldn't even do then, but he did

837
00:45:45.360 --> 00:45:47.159
<v Speaker 9>him illegally for celebrities.

838
00:45:47.239 --> 00:45:52.559
<v Speaker 7>And they wait a second, So that's American Horne murder House.

839
00:45:52.559 --> 00:45:56.119
<v Speaker 5>I was going to say, thrashcan can finished talking without

840
00:45:56.159 --> 00:45:59.440
<v Speaker 5>Julia talking about American horror story, because yeah, it's the

841
00:45:59.480 --> 00:46:02.239
<v Speaker 5>Matt Rock character in season one is supposed.

842
00:46:01.920 --> 00:46:02.360
<v Speaker 2>To be him.

843
00:46:02.840 --> 00:46:04.880
<v Speaker 6>I mean, it's George Odell's supposed to see.

844
00:46:04.920 --> 00:46:07.880
<v Speaker 7>I told you guys, we're living in the most interesting

845
00:46:08.039 --> 00:46:11.679
<v Speaker 7>season of American horse Story. We're living in a conglomeration

846
00:46:11.840 --> 00:46:16.360
<v Speaker 7>of all the seasons put together. And I will stand

847
00:46:16.400 --> 00:46:17.800
<v Speaker 7>by that until damn dead.

848
00:46:17.880 --> 00:46:18.000
<v Speaker 1>Well.

849
00:46:18.039 --> 00:46:20.280
<v Speaker 6>Yeah, if you throw some black Mirror in there too.

850
00:46:20.480 --> 00:46:24.239
<v Speaker 8>Black mirror slash American horror story, Yeah.

851
00:46:24.039 --> 00:46:25.039
<v Speaker 1>It would be pretty point.

852
00:46:26.480 --> 00:46:29.079
<v Speaker 7>Nick, Who is your favorite out of the Laurel Canyon?

853
00:46:29.119 --> 00:46:31.000
<v Speaker 7>Though I have not ever heard you.

854
00:46:30.880 --> 00:46:32.800
<v Speaker 1>Say, I don't think I really have one.

855
00:46:32.880 --> 00:46:35.679
<v Speaker 7>Tell you the truth, like, get in to head right now,

856
00:46:35.679 --> 00:46:38.320
<v Speaker 7>you have to pick one artist out of the Laurel

857
00:46:38.360 --> 00:46:40.199
<v Speaker 7>Canyon to listen to until you're dead.

858
00:46:41.159 --> 00:46:47.519
<v Speaker 4>Ooh, man might actually go with the Dead who grateful Dead?

859
00:46:48.159 --> 00:46:48.320
<v Speaker 1>Oh?

860
00:46:48.320 --> 00:46:49.599
<v Speaker 6>Well, they were in the bay.

861
00:46:49.679 --> 00:46:53.480
<v Speaker 7>But I mean you have to pick canyons so it

862
00:46:53.519 --> 00:46:56.920
<v Speaker 7>can be like Morrison, Mama's and the Papas.

863
00:46:56.960 --> 00:46:57.559
<v Speaker 8>Who else?

864
00:46:57.760 --> 00:46:58.400
<v Speaker 6>The Turtles?

865
00:46:58.760 --> 00:47:02.760
<v Speaker 7>Yeah, the Turtles.

866
00:47:02.880 --> 00:47:04.719
<v Speaker 8>David Kross Crosby.

867
00:47:04.320 --> 00:47:07.800
<v Speaker 6>Stills in Nash Hendricks kind of was around the scene.

868
00:47:07.920 --> 00:47:11.360
<v Speaker 6>The birds love Eric Clapton.

869
00:47:11.519 --> 00:47:14.599
<v Speaker 1>He probably just take Eric Clapton.

870
00:47:14.960 --> 00:47:16.920
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I love you got.

871
00:47:18.400 --> 00:47:19.920
<v Speaker 1>What's what's his deal over there?

872
00:47:21.920 --> 00:47:23.239
<v Speaker 6>That guy's story is weird.

873
00:47:24.360 --> 00:47:27.840
<v Speaker 11>Well, he that's where his kid died, right, He lived

874
00:47:27.920 --> 00:47:30.719
<v Speaker 11>up there at that time, and he was totally tied

875
00:47:30.800 --> 00:47:34.199
<v Speaker 11>in with the monkeys and all of them, like all

876
00:47:34.239 --> 00:47:36.480
<v Speaker 11>of them were tight. They all have pictures together.

877
00:47:38.039 --> 00:47:39.880
<v Speaker 8>Who was Graham Parsons with.

878
00:47:42.920 --> 00:47:45.239
<v Speaker 9>The Flying Burrito Brothers?

879
00:47:45.280 --> 00:47:46.920
<v Speaker 7>I think is Graham Parsons.

880
00:47:47.239 --> 00:47:53.559
<v Speaker 9>Yeah, And he died in the town that I grew

881
00:47:53.639 --> 00:47:56.039
<v Speaker 9>up in when I was a little kid. My grandpa

882
00:47:56.320 --> 00:48:01.199
<v Speaker 9>like built a house there and everything. Yeah, and he

883
00:48:01.280 --> 00:48:03.320
<v Speaker 9>died in that hotel there.

884
00:48:03.320 --> 00:48:07.599
<v Speaker 7>And Zach Began's Ghost Adventures and there's.

885
00:48:07.360 --> 00:48:10.840
<v Speaker 9>A Ghost Adventures episode I was gonna say at that hotel.

886
00:48:11.480 --> 00:48:14.639
<v Speaker 7>Yeah, I'm telling you, I'm telling you. And isn't there

887
00:48:14.679 --> 00:48:17.360
<v Speaker 7>like that weird story where they took Graham's body and

888
00:48:17.400 --> 00:48:18.719
<v Speaker 7>they like buried it on.

889
00:48:18.719 --> 00:48:20.079
<v Speaker 9>The soul by.

890
00:48:21.719 --> 00:48:24.679
<v Speaker 5>They made a really good movie that with what's the

891
00:48:24.719 --> 00:48:26.000
<v Speaker 5>fucking jack ass guy's name?

892
00:48:26.239 --> 00:48:28.239
<v Speaker 6>So yeah, yeah.

893
00:48:28.280 --> 00:48:30.840
<v Speaker 9>Yeah, grand theft Parsons, I think is that's.

894
00:48:30.639 --> 00:48:32.760
<v Speaker 6>What it is to me?

895
00:48:32.880 --> 00:48:35.199
<v Speaker 5>Like she keeps talking about how this is all like

896
00:48:35.440 --> 00:48:37.400
<v Speaker 5>keeping the story alive. So I would have to say,

897
00:48:37.440 --> 00:48:39.280
<v Speaker 5>Ghost Adventures just another way.

898
00:48:39.119 --> 00:48:42.960
<v Speaker 6>That they keep these legends going. Oh for sure, I

899
00:48:43.000 --> 00:48:43.400
<v Speaker 6>don't know.

900
00:48:43.639 --> 00:48:46.320
<v Speaker 7>We talked about it when we cover Jeffrey Dahmer, because

901
00:48:46.360 --> 00:48:48.719
<v Speaker 7>I said he'll show up at Jeffrey's apartment and I

902
00:48:48.800 --> 00:48:50.800
<v Speaker 7>was like, oh, no, he can't because they burnt it down.

903
00:48:51.119 --> 00:48:56.039
<v Speaker 7>They built a playground there. So it's it's just funny

904
00:48:56.039 --> 00:48:58.679
<v Speaker 7>how he shows up at these places that like, how

905
00:48:58.679 --> 00:49:02.599
<v Speaker 7>does he know about the Literally the he goes to

906
00:49:02.639 --> 00:49:06.000
<v Speaker 7>the hotel where Grand Parsons dies. He went to Kenneth

907
00:49:06.079 --> 00:49:10.239
<v Speaker 7>Anger's old house and interviewed Kenneth Anger, did you guys

908
00:49:10.519 --> 00:49:11.719
<v Speaker 7>thrash did you get out there?

909
00:49:11.760 --> 00:49:14.800
<v Speaker 9>Yeah? Yeah, yeah, and they like shoved the lion claw

910
00:49:14.920 --> 00:49:18.599
<v Speaker 9>marks that were like at the mansion when Levey owned

911
00:49:18.599 --> 00:49:21.880
<v Speaker 9>the lion and yeah, yeah and they did. They did

912
00:49:22.039 --> 00:49:24.800
<v Speaker 9>like an investigation like in one of the rooms where

913
00:49:24.840 --> 00:49:27.119
<v Speaker 9>they did one of the rituals and everything.

914
00:49:27.599 --> 00:49:27.800
<v Speaker 2>Yeah.

915
00:49:27.920 --> 00:49:32.199
<v Speaker 9>Angers like just all talking about summoning demons and everything

916
00:49:32.280 --> 00:49:36.599
<v Speaker 9>right on the episode. Yeah, literally, I don't Lucifer Jacket.

917
00:49:37.400 --> 00:49:39.000
<v Speaker 9>It is Lucifer Jacke.

918
00:49:39.400 --> 00:49:42.559
<v Speaker 7>What channel did they play Ghost Adventures on? Is it

919
00:49:42.599 --> 00:49:44.440
<v Speaker 7>like TLC or some shit like.

920
00:49:44.360 --> 00:49:45.559
<v Speaker 9>That travel channel?

921
00:49:45.639 --> 00:49:49.119
<v Speaker 7>Your travel travel channel? That's what people They literally are

922
00:49:49.159 --> 00:49:52.599
<v Speaker 7>just clicking around on TV and freaking Kenneth Anger pops

923
00:49:52.679 --> 00:49:57.400
<v Speaker 7>up with this Lucifer Jacket talking about summing demons. Yeah.

924
00:49:57.519 --> 00:50:01.840
<v Speaker 7>Literally that so. But Kenneth Anger is a whole other

925
00:50:02.000 --> 00:50:05.840
<v Speaker 7>aspect of the can you know, because he uh wasn't

926
00:50:05.840 --> 00:50:08.119
<v Speaker 7>the Rolling Stones and they were going to do some

927
00:50:08.320 --> 00:50:10.360
<v Speaker 7>project with him or something like that.

928
00:50:11.480 --> 00:50:13.719
<v Speaker 5>Yeah, And I mean he's heavily tied in with a

929
00:50:13.719 --> 00:50:14.719
<v Speaker 5>lot of the Manson people.

930
00:50:14.719 --> 00:50:18.719
<v Speaker 9>Well, there's even rumored that the original guitar player of

931
00:50:18.880 --> 00:50:25.280
<v Speaker 9>the Rolling Stones, Yeah, that he was doing a black

932
00:50:25.360 --> 00:50:29.360
<v Speaker 9>magic ritual and I don't think he finished it and

933
00:50:29.400 --> 00:50:32.159
<v Speaker 9>they found him like drowned in the pool.

934
00:50:32.639 --> 00:50:34.599
<v Speaker 8>Yep, that is true.

935
00:50:35.519 --> 00:50:37.719
<v Speaker 7>And then I guess if we're talking about the Stones,

936
00:50:37.760 --> 00:50:39.559
<v Speaker 7>we should bring up the Uh.

937
00:50:40.960 --> 00:50:44.280
<v Speaker 8>It's in the book, right. The Altamont Park.

938
00:50:44.320 --> 00:50:44.760
<v Speaker 6>I don't know.

939
00:50:45.519 --> 00:50:48.199
<v Speaker 5>This one to me is one where everybody just argues

940
00:50:48.199 --> 00:50:49.039
<v Speaker 5>about what went.

941
00:50:48.880 --> 00:50:52.480
<v Speaker 6>Down that day, Like I think we got into some

942
00:50:52.920 --> 00:50:55.599
<v Speaker 6>hot water. Last time we talked about it. In the video,

943
00:50:56.960 --> 00:50:58.079
<v Speaker 6>I never did see it.

944
00:50:59.280 --> 00:51:02.960
<v Speaker 9>Yeah, there's a video, and you can see the whole

945
00:51:03.000 --> 00:51:06.000
<v Speaker 9>thing go down between the Hell's Angel and Uh there's

946
00:51:06.000 --> 00:51:09.000
<v Speaker 9>like a black dude. I think he has a knife

947
00:51:09.039 --> 00:51:11.960
<v Speaker 9>and you can see pull No, I think he pulls

948
00:51:11.960 --> 00:51:14.960
<v Speaker 9>out a gun and then the Hell's Angel pulls out

949
00:51:14.960 --> 00:51:17.000
<v Speaker 9>like a k bar and you can they just they

950
00:51:17.159 --> 00:51:19.119
<v Speaker 9>just they just get into a whole fight right there

951
00:51:19.119 --> 00:51:23.599
<v Speaker 9>in the crowd. And there's like a whole story of

952
00:51:24.880 --> 00:51:27.840
<v Speaker 9>one of the Hell's Angels named Animal. He would wear

953
00:51:27.920 --> 00:51:30.360
<v Speaker 9>like a fox he had like a fox head he

954
00:51:30.400 --> 00:51:35.320
<v Speaker 9>would wear and uh, you can see him actually instigating

955
00:51:35.800 --> 00:51:39.760
<v Speaker 9>something like he takes like, ah, like a billy club

956
00:51:39.840 --> 00:51:42.800
<v Speaker 9>or something and jab somebody. They were like messing with

957
00:51:42.880 --> 00:51:48.960
<v Speaker 9>the band of Jefferson Airplane. It was just like chaos

958
00:51:49.000 --> 00:51:52.519
<v Speaker 9>from all all day. Like the Hell's Angels were just

959
00:51:52.599 --> 00:51:55.079
<v Speaker 9>bullying people around. You can see you can watch on

960
00:51:55.199 --> 00:51:58.079
<v Speaker 9>video where like Animal he's like bullying people and like

961
00:51:58.159 --> 00:52:01.800
<v Speaker 9>smacking crowd members and just because they're getting a little

962
00:52:01.800 --> 00:52:03.000
<v Speaker 9>too close to the stage.

963
00:52:03.159 --> 00:52:06.079
<v Speaker 6>And yeah, and the Rolling Stones hired them as security.

964
00:52:06.679 --> 00:52:10.199
<v Speaker 9>Yeah why would yeah, yeah, why would you.

965
00:52:09.840 --> 00:52:11.880
<v Speaker 6>Look Like there's the Hunter S. Thompson thing.

966
00:52:12.480 --> 00:52:15.199
<v Speaker 5>There's a Bundye victim that was supposedly taken away by

967
00:52:15.239 --> 00:52:18.840
<v Speaker 5>Hell's Angels from like a big picnic. These guys always

968
00:52:18.960 --> 00:52:20.039
<v Speaker 5>kind of have there just.

969
00:52:19.960 --> 00:52:20.760
<v Speaker 6>In the background.

970
00:52:20.960 --> 00:52:25.239
<v Speaker 9>And the Ascettachs they were directly involved at the too, And.

971
00:52:25.199 --> 00:52:26.840
<v Speaker 5>I mean and they did do a lot of black,

972
00:52:27.000 --> 00:52:30.480
<v Speaker 5>black market drug dealing back then too, Like they definitely

973
00:52:30.559 --> 00:52:32.639
<v Speaker 5>had connections to Wait and.

974
00:52:32.679 --> 00:52:36.599
<v Speaker 2>All started by ex military. They were patches just like

975
00:52:36.599 --> 00:52:37.400
<v Speaker 2>the military.

976
00:52:38.519 --> 00:52:43.599
<v Speaker 9>I mean named after the squadron the Hell's Angels.

977
00:52:44.079 --> 00:52:45.000
<v Speaker 8>What squadron?

978
00:52:45.880 --> 00:52:49.159
<v Speaker 9>It was an Air Force squadron named the Hells Angels,

979
00:52:49.159 --> 00:52:51.039
<v Speaker 9>and that's what they.

980
00:52:50.480 --> 00:52:51.159
<v Speaker 2>Named their.

981
00:52:53.079 --> 00:52:53.199
<v Speaker 9>All.

982
00:52:53.320 --> 00:52:57.199
<v Speaker 11>All the major biker gangs have ties from the Vietnam War.

983
00:52:57.280 --> 00:52:59.599
<v Speaker 11>They come back. A lot of them were started there

984
00:53:01.199 --> 00:53:03.519
<v Speaker 11>and the original ones were started to World War two

985
00:53:03.599 --> 00:53:06.920
<v Speaker 11>because they would learn how to ride motorcycles over there

986
00:53:07.280 --> 00:53:08.599
<v Speaker 11>and then it became available.

987
00:53:08.719 --> 00:53:14.440
<v Speaker 7>So what's Hybrid and Parsons Laurel Canyon decade.

988
00:53:14.880 --> 00:53:17.400
<v Speaker 5>Well, I mean that was earlier, but still it's it's

989
00:53:17.679 --> 00:53:20.480
<v Speaker 5>around the time Lisa was talking about nineteen forty seven.

990
00:53:20.639 --> 00:53:23.559
<v Speaker 6>That era, like a lot of big things going on there.

991
00:53:23.960 --> 00:53:28.079
<v Speaker 5>I do think that scientology and its naval intelligence connection

992
00:53:28.199 --> 00:53:30.039
<v Speaker 5>can't be overlooked if we're talking about how.

993
00:53:31.760 --> 00:53:36.599
<v Speaker 9>The Laurel Kanayan ties in direct I'm sorry, but the

994
00:53:36.679 --> 00:53:43.440
<v Speaker 9>Laurel Canyan ties in directly to Jack Parsons and the

995
00:53:43.559 --> 00:53:46.239
<v Speaker 9>Oto lodge he was a part of, which is called

996
00:53:46.280 --> 00:53:50.800
<v Speaker 9>the Agafe Lodge in California, and there's evidence that Charles

997
00:53:50.840 --> 00:53:56.519
<v Speaker 9>Manson was Actually there's some weird stuff where they hired

998
00:53:57.079 --> 00:53:59.840
<v Speaker 9>them to break into the lodge to get a bunch

999
00:53:59.840 --> 00:54:04.320
<v Speaker 9>of files and documents because there was like a like

1000
00:54:04.400 --> 00:54:08.360
<v Speaker 9>an argument between Israel Regardi and the other person that

1001
00:54:08.760 --> 00:54:10.079
<v Speaker 9>was running the lodge at the.

1002
00:54:10.039 --> 00:54:11.039
<v Speaker 2>Time, m.

1003
00:54:13.400 --> 00:54:17.320
<v Speaker 9>And they had the Mansions dude like creepy crawl into

1004
00:54:17.360 --> 00:54:20.280
<v Speaker 9>the lodge and it was in Death Valley. And then

1005
00:54:20.320 --> 00:54:24.320
<v Speaker 9>there's all kinds. There's a weird story that ties into

1006
00:54:24.960 --> 00:54:27.039
<v Speaker 9>that lodge called the Boy in the Box.

1007
00:54:27.360 --> 00:54:29.199
<v Speaker 7>I was just gonna see there was a boy that

1008
00:54:29.400 --> 00:54:32.559
<v Speaker 7>was locked in a box somewhere and they were somehow

1009
00:54:32.599 --> 00:54:33.800
<v Speaker 7>able to Okay.

1010
00:54:33.480 --> 00:54:35.280
<v Speaker 8>So you know that story good?

1011
00:54:35.559 --> 00:54:38.360
<v Speaker 9>Yeah. Yeah, he was locked in a box at the

1012
00:54:38.480 --> 00:54:42.760
<v Speaker 9>lodge and supposedly they were like using him for ritual

1013
00:54:42.800 --> 00:54:47.199
<v Speaker 9>and stuff, and they found him chained up and he

1014
00:54:47.280 --> 00:54:50.199
<v Speaker 9>had just like a bowl of water and like some food.

1015
00:54:51.159 --> 00:54:53.719
<v Speaker 7>Yeah, and I'm pretty sure they said like they weren't.

1016
00:54:54.039 --> 00:54:56.400
<v Speaker 7>He was just like pisson and shitting all over himself

1017
00:54:56.440 --> 00:54:59.119
<v Speaker 7>in the box. And it was a lot like how

1018
00:54:59.159 --> 00:55:03.480
<v Speaker 7>they talk about the kids at Presidio Air Force Base.

1019
00:55:03.559 --> 00:55:05.960
<v Speaker 7>They were getting pissed on and shipped on and like

1020
00:55:06.039 --> 00:55:07.960
<v Speaker 7>that's one of the main things if you look for

1021
00:55:08.079 --> 00:55:11.960
<v Speaker 7>satanism is like kids getting literally pissed and shipped on

1022
00:55:12.559 --> 00:55:16.199
<v Speaker 7>and some I think it was actually in McGowan's blog

1023
00:55:16.280 --> 00:55:18.239
<v Speaker 7>about this kid that was locked in the box. I

1024
00:55:18.239 --> 00:55:21.039
<v Speaker 7>can't remember all the details, like rash it was.

1025
00:55:21.119 --> 00:55:24.719
<v Speaker 9>He had a whole chapter on it directly with the

1026
00:55:24.800 --> 00:55:30.119
<v Speaker 9>Laurel Canyon and like Manson and then some some band.

1027
00:55:30.960 --> 00:55:32.960
<v Speaker 4>That uh, you know, not to get back to, like

1028
00:55:33.000 --> 00:55:36.119
<v Speaker 4>the piston ship stuff, but that didn't come up. That

1029
00:55:36.159 --> 00:55:38.719
<v Speaker 4>did come up that they come up in one of

1030
00:55:40.920 --> 00:55:44.320
<v Speaker 4>pull Bonacci's story that to him. But the chick I

1031
00:55:44.320 --> 00:55:46.840
<v Speaker 4>forgot the girl that he was with a lot. They

1032
00:55:46.880 --> 00:55:48.800
<v Speaker 4>had both left one time. I think they actually got

1033
00:55:48.800 --> 00:55:50.719
<v Speaker 4>into a plane and went somewhere and they both got

1034
00:55:50.760 --> 00:55:55.280
<v Speaker 4>split apart. Yeah, when she came back into the car

1035
00:55:55.360 --> 00:55:57.239
<v Speaker 4>to get back into the riot, I mean he said

1036
00:55:57.280 --> 00:55:59.920
<v Speaker 4>she was covered in just piston ship.

1037
00:56:01.719 --> 00:56:05.559
<v Speaker 7>Well, and I think that's where isn't that the story

1038
00:56:05.599 --> 00:56:06.679
<v Speaker 7>where Hunter S.

1039
00:56:06.719 --> 00:56:08.079
<v Speaker 8>Thompson gets involved.

1040
00:56:08.239 --> 00:56:09.199
<v Speaker 7>Is he king?

1041
00:56:09.840 --> 00:56:11.639
<v Speaker 9>I mean he's he was.

1042
00:56:11.840 --> 00:56:13.519
<v Speaker 5>He'd spent a lot of time in the Bay and

1043
00:56:13.800 --> 00:56:18.480
<v Speaker 5>la But yeah, the Bonazzi stuff about him and McGowan

1044
00:56:18.639 --> 00:56:20.719
<v Speaker 5>was convinced that Hunter s Thompson was one of the

1045
00:56:20.719 --> 00:56:23.400
<v Speaker 5>bad ones. I listened to an interview where you can

1046
00:56:23.480 --> 00:56:25.760
<v Speaker 5>just hear the heartbreak in his voice, and I feel

1047
00:56:25.760 --> 00:56:29.920
<v Speaker 5>the same way. Like that one's kind of hard to swallow.

1048
00:56:31.679 --> 00:56:34.239
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, Hunter s Thompson, he's no good.

1049
00:56:34.559 --> 00:56:36.800
<v Speaker 5>I mean, yeah, I mean the more I look into,

1050
00:56:36.880 --> 00:56:38.719
<v Speaker 5>the more I don't want any but I can't stop.

1051
00:56:39.079 --> 00:56:41.000
<v Speaker 6>We're actually going to do a huge episode on him.

1052
00:56:41.119 --> 00:56:45.719
<v Speaker 9>He's literally the model Nightmare neighbor. He's literally just like

1053
00:56:45.840 --> 00:56:48.800
<v Speaker 9>taking his forty four and just like unloading it at

1054
00:56:48.800 --> 00:56:54.760
<v Speaker 9>the neighbor and running a sheriff. Yeah, griff and shaved

1055
00:56:54.760 --> 00:56:57.760
<v Speaker 9>his head and he had like the what was it

1056
00:56:57.840 --> 00:57:00.559
<v Speaker 9>the peyote button logo for the sheriff.

1057
00:57:01.880 --> 00:57:06.079
<v Speaker 11>Well that's another up there is in Aspen, Aspen and Boulder,

1058
00:57:06.079 --> 00:57:08.679
<v Speaker 11>they're connected and they have the same kind of thing.

1059
00:57:08.760 --> 00:57:13.119
<v Speaker 11>Glenn Fry from the Eagles was up there and a

1060
00:57:13.159 --> 00:57:16.159
<v Speaker 11>lot of weird stuff like that, like he had a

1061
00:57:16.239 --> 00:57:18.039
<v Speaker 11>pass from a lot to do whatever he wanted to

1062
00:57:18.079 --> 00:57:18.599
<v Speaker 11>do up there.

1063
00:57:18.639 --> 00:57:21.840
<v Speaker 5>And yeah, and Bill Murray and Brian Doyle Murray were

1064
00:57:21.920 --> 00:57:24.199
<v Speaker 5>hanging out with Hunter S Thompson quite a bit too,

1065
00:57:24.320 --> 00:57:25.119
<v Speaker 5>so that sucks.

1066
00:57:25.280 --> 00:57:29.159
<v Speaker 7>That really sucks. I love Bill Murray Kolby told me

1067
00:57:29.199 --> 00:57:29.519
<v Speaker 7>that he.

1068
00:57:29.519 --> 00:57:31.840
<v Speaker 6>Sucked his cat Hunter s Thompson.

1069
00:57:31.960 --> 00:57:35.239
<v Speaker 5>So, do you guys know this story about the Screwjack

1070
00:57:35.360 --> 00:57:37.079
<v Speaker 5>post huge?

1071
00:57:37.480 --> 00:57:38.480
<v Speaker 8>My gosh, you.

1072
00:57:38.400 --> 00:57:40.360
<v Speaker 7>Guys are gonna fuck throw Well.

1073
00:57:40.760 --> 00:57:42.719
<v Speaker 6>So, like I said, I was a huge Hunter S.

1074
00:57:42.719 --> 00:57:43.239
<v Speaker 6>Thompson fan.

1075
00:57:43.320 --> 00:57:45.719
<v Speaker 5>I read everything I could get my hands on. And

1076
00:57:45.760 --> 00:57:50.159
<v Speaker 5>not long after he died, they published this like collection

1077
00:57:50.239 --> 00:57:54.320
<v Speaker 5>of short stories called Screwjack. And you all know about

1078
00:57:54.360 --> 00:57:57.599
<v Speaker 5>how he kind of, oh, this is fiction, but is

1079
00:57:57.639 --> 00:57:59.840
<v Speaker 5>it with fear and loathing and all that.

1080
00:58:00.400 --> 00:58:02.000
<v Speaker 6>I mean, he knows that he has.

1081
00:58:01.840 --> 00:58:06.360
<v Speaker 5>To claim that it's satire, but it's a first person

1082
00:58:06.360 --> 00:58:08.000
<v Speaker 5>account about him fucking his cat.

1083
00:58:08.880 --> 00:58:11.880
<v Speaker 6>And I read that and just kind of does the

1084
00:58:11.960 --> 00:58:14.519
<v Speaker 6>cats on the cover the cats on the cover of

1085
00:58:14.559 --> 00:58:15.119
<v Speaker 6>the book too.

1086
00:58:15.519 --> 00:58:18.679
<v Speaker 7>Yeah, And it's a cute cat. I've seen a million

1087
00:58:18.760 --> 00:58:20.119
<v Speaker 7>cats just like that.

1088
00:58:21.480 --> 00:58:22.360
<v Speaker 8>It's a little black.

1089
00:58:23.599 --> 00:58:25.840
<v Speaker 7>Yeah. Do you believe it?

1090
00:58:25.880 --> 00:58:26.159
<v Speaker 11>Though?

1091
00:58:27.119 --> 00:58:29.400
<v Speaker 6>No, I can't. I gotta wonder.

1092
00:58:29.880 --> 00:58:33.639
<v Speaker 11>As far as as far as counterculture, I mean who

1093
00:58:34.800 --> 00:58:39.280
<v Speaker 11>he was huge in drugs and especially the Hell's Angel,

1094
00:58:39.400 --> 00:58:43.519
<v Speaker 11>Like he broadcasted that and made it popular so that

1095
00:58:43.559 --> 00:58:46.639
<v Speaker 11>whole counterculture movement would and The Hell's Angels wouldn't be

1096
00:58:46.880 --> 00:58:49.800
<v Speaker 11>nearly as popular if you didn't write that book and

1097
00:58:49.880 --> 00:58:52.159
<v Speaker 11>show up on that TV show where the one.

1098
00:58:52.559 --> 00:58:57.320
<v Speaker 5>Yeah, and let's not forget that Adrena Chrome was published

1099
00:58:57.360 --> 00:59:00.360
<v Speaker 5>in a nineteen seventy two novel where you know, it

1100
00:59:00.440 --> 00:59:01.400
<v Speaker 5>kind of faded away.

1101
00:59:02.440 --> 00:59:03.599
<v Speaker 6>We didn't really know about it.

1102
00:59:03.639 --> 00:59:05.440
<v Speaker 5>I mean, you can look into the history of it

1103
00:59:05.480 --> 00:59:08.239
<v Speaker 5>and it's all pretty credible. But then he brought it

1104
00:59:08.440 --> 00:59:11.000
<v Speaker 5>into mainstream culture, and then again with the movie in

1105
00:59:11.000 --> 00:59:12.280
<v Speaker 5>the nineties with Johnny Depp.

1106
00:59:12.280 --> 00:59:13.800
<v Speaker 6>I mean that I.

1107
00:59:14.599 --> 00:59:17.559
<v Speaker 9>Remember being a kid and I used to be obsessed

1108
00:59:17.639 --> 00:59:20.800
<v Speaker 9>with looking up different drugs for some reason. I would

1109
00:59:20.840 --> 00:59:24.719
<v Speaker 9>look up every drug possible and what they did and everything.

1110
00:59:24.760 --> 00:59:27.960
<v Speaker 9>And I remember watching Fear and Loathing in Las Vegas

1111
00:59:28.480 --> 00:59:30.960
<v Speaker 9>and here, oh, what's that one? Let me read that

1112
00:59:31.000 --> 00:59:33.840
<v Speaker 9>one up. And I remember looking it up on like

1113
00:59:33.960 --> 00:59:39.920
<v Speaker 9>eroid dot org or whatever. Nice And there was a

1114
00:59:39.960 --> 00:59:42.360
<v Speaker 9>lot of interesting stuff back then. It was like two

1115
00:59:42.400 --> 00:59:47.119
<v Speaker 9>thousand and five, two thousand and six, and then like

1116
00:59:47.199 --> 00:59:48.480
<v Speaker 9>a lot of that disappeared.

1117
00:59:49.639 --> 00:59:51.519
<v Speaker 7>What did it say?

1118
00:59:51.800 --> 00:59:54.199
<v Speaker 9>Just all kinds of stuff like the different doctors and

1119
00:59:54.239 --> 00:59:58.800
<v Speaker 9>alkaloids and like different experiments that are We're done with

1120
00:59:58.840 --> 01:00:02.440
<v Speaker 9>it and everything real kinds of detailed information. Yeah, and

1121
01:00:02.480 --> 01:00:05.800
<v Speaker 9>then it would also say that it's mainly only was

1122
01:00:06.880 --> 01:00:10.840
<v Speaker 9>talked about in that book, and that's was like where

1123
01:00:10.880 --> 01:00:13.320
<v Speaker 9>it was first heard of really in the public.

1124
01:00:14.599 --> 01:00:15.079
<v Speaker 8>Mm hmm.

1125
01:00:16.280 --> 01:00:19.159
<v Speaker 7>Well, I think if we're going to talk Laurel Canyon stuff,

1126
01:00:19.199 --> 01:00:24.159
<v Speaker 7>we should also mention actors from the Laurel Canyon, because

1127
01:00:24.360 --> 01:00:26.559
<v Speaker 7>I don't think we did that last time we covered

1128
01:00:26.719 --> 01:00:27.599
<v Speaker 7>the canyon, did we.

1129
01:00:28.280 --> 01:00:29.960
<v Speaker 6>I think we skimmed it a little bit.

1130
01:00:30.679 --> 01:00:33.400
<v Speaker 8>I think I have a list, go ahead as you look.

1131
01:00:33.440 --> 01:00:34.320
<v Speaker 12>As you look up a list.

1132
01:00:34.360 --> 01:00:38.559
<v Speaker 10>I wanted to kind of mention something that about Frank Zappa.

1133
01:00:39.360 --> 01:00:42.079
<v Speaker 10>I don't know if if y'all have already mentioned this before,

1134
01:00:42.119 --> 01:00:45.239
<v Speaker 10>but did y'all know about his dad, Frank Zappa's dad M.

1135
01:00:46.400 --> 01:00:48.360
<v Speaker 12>Edward Arsenal Yep, yep.

1136
01:00:48.559 --> 01:00:54.639
<v Speaker 10>And so he he actually was like a metallurgist for

1137
01:00:54.840 --> 01:00:59.920
<v Speaker 10>lockeed and Convet Aircraft corporations as well. And during this

1138
01:01:00.280 --> 01:01:05.639
<v Speaker 10>time that's when Edgewood was also affiliated with.

1139
01:01:06.039 --> 01:01:10.760
<v Speaker 12>Mk oh I'm sure one time, and they were running

1140
01:01:10.760 --> 01:01:12.280
<v Speaker 12>Elis experiments at the same time.

1141
01:01:12.920 --> 01:01:15.920
<v Speaker 10>So it's just pretty interesting that you have that and

1142
01:01:15.960 --> 01:01:17.800
<v Speaker 10>that you have Frank Zappa kind of show up and

1143
01:01:17.800 --> 01:01:20.440
<v Speaker 10>then this whole psychedelic scene. But the other thing is

1144
01:01:20.639 --> 01:01:23.199
<v Speaker 10>Zappa's wife was also intelligence, so she came from a

1145
01:01:23.239 --> 01:01:28.360
<v Speaker 10>long line of intelligence people as well. And then you know,

1146
01:01:28.519 --> 01:01:32.360
<v Speaker 10>you go down the whole list of I think it

1147
01:01:32.480 --> 01:01:36.679
<v Speaker 10>was like his manager. If you already mentioned this, I apologize.

1148
01:01:36.719 --> 01:01:38.599
<v Speaker 10>He was like a gun runner in the Caribbean.

1149
01:01:39.920 --> 01:01:45.119
<v Speaker 7>I mean, just what was his name? His manager for Cohen? Yeah,

1150
01:01:45.239 --> 01:01:50.159
<v Speaker 7>I do remember that from the book Her Cohen. And

1151
01:01:50.440 --> 01:01:53.840
<v Speaker 7>there wasn't there another one though, a Rothschild.

1152
01:01:53.079 --> 01:02:01.679
<v Speaker 5>Though Paul Rothschild apparently discovered them. Think he was Electure records.

1153
01:02:04.320 --> 01:02:07.559
<v Speaker 9>But Frank Zappa, he even claimed, like when his dad

1154
01:02:07.599 --> 01:02:10.880
<v Speaker 9>worked at Edgewood Arsenal and they were there, that he

1155
01:02:11.000 --> 01:02:15.719
<v Speaker 9>had horrible problems breathing and he had horrible coughing problems

1156
01:02:15.800 --> 01:02:18.480
<v Speaker 9>and stuff like that. And then when they moved to California,

1157
01:02:18.559 --> 01:02:22.000
<v Speaker 9>a lot of that cleared up. But then famously, Frank

1158
01:02:22.079 --> 01:02:24.559
<v Speaker 9>Zappa died horribly of cancer.

1159
01:02:25.079 --> 01:02:29.199
<v Speaker 8>Ain'tus cancer, yeah, ainus cancer, yeah, yep.

1160
01:02:30.159 --> 01:02:32.400
<v Speaker 6>So was he breathing through his assent?

1161
01:02:32.519 --> 01:02:34.360
<v Speaker 7>He was doing all kinds of stuff with his ass

1162
01:02:34.360 --> 01:02:36.519
<v Speaker 7>If you ask me, everybody.

1163
01:02:38.400 --> 01:02:41.639
<v Speaker 10>Weren't wasn't wasn't this where they were developing all the

1164
01:02:41.719 --> 01:02:45.800
<v Speaker 10>nerve gases saren and orange and all that other stuff

1165
01:02:45.840 --> 01:02:48.880
<v Speaker 10>to be later used in Vietnam. This was at that time.

1166
01:02:49.360 --> 01:02:52.239
<v Speaker 7>Yeah, my notes say that his dad was the head

1167
01:02:52.440 --> 01:02:57.719
<v Speaker 7>of operation what is this chemical Warfare and mk ultra

1168
01:02:57.840 --> 01:03:02.280
<v Speaker 7>operations at the experiment will Edgewood Arsenal facility. That's what

1169
01:03:02.360 --> 01:03:05.199
<v Speaker 7>I have in my notes. But you were talking about

1170
01:03:05.199 --> 01:03:11.320
<v Speaker 7>his wife, and actually John Phillip's wife was a direct

1171
01:03:11.320 --> 01:03:17.400
<v Speaker 7>descendant of President John Adams, And uh, I think his

1172
01:03:18.000 --> 01:03:21.480
<v Speaker 7>John Phillips's sister was a career employee of the Pentagon.

1173
01:03:22.400 --> 01:03:25.280
<v Speaker 7>And so yeah, I mean, all these guys, it's like,

1174
01:03:26.320 --> 01:03:29.239
<v Speaker 7>and I said about Crosby earlier, like his family tree

1175
01:03:29.320 --> 01:03:32.960
<v Speaker 7>goes back to like signers of the Declaration of Independence,

1176
01:03:33.119 --> 01:03:38.239
<v Speaker 7>high ranking Mason's people were paying to like have his baby,

1177
01:03:38.280 --> 01:03:42.000
<v Speaker 7>weren't they like please nut inside me, please nut inside me.

1178
01:03:42.559 --> 01:03:45.880
<v Speaker 8>But I don't, I mean, I don't know what's going

1179
01:03:45.920 --> 01:03:46.239
<v Speaker 8>on with.

1180
01:03:46.239 --> 01:03:49.239
<v Speaker 12>Them and the whole my whole point.

1181
01:03:49.280 --> 01:03:51.360
<v Speaker 10>And I know everybody said this already, I know in

1182
01:03:51.480 --> 01:03:54.199
<v Speaker 10>every Laurel Canyon stuff they keep saying this. But if

1183
01:03:54.400 --> 01:03:58.320
<v Speaker 10>if you have a bunch of military brats, right, because

1184
01:03:58.320 --> 01:04:02.440
<v Speaker 10>that's what they were, and they don't move to an

1185
01:04:02.519 --> 01:04:07.599
<v Speaker 10>area where it's an Air Force base Lookout Mountain, and

1186
01:04:07.639 --> 01:04:11.320
<v Speaker 10>then you have all of these I don't know ops

1187
01:04:11.440 --> 01:04:15.480
<v Speaker 10>coming out of Lookout Mountain that were influencing the culture.

1188
01:04:16.320 --> 01:04:20.599
<v Speaker 10>I think they just diversified their portfolio, like Nick said, well,

1189
01:04:21.280 --> 01:04:22.559
<v Speaker 10>manipulating society.

1190
01:04:24.039 --> 01:04:27.639
<v Speaker 11>So and part of the book is, so back then

1191
01:04:27.760 --> 01:04:32.079
<v Speaker 11>almost everybody or there was a good percentage chance that

1192
01:04:32.119 --> 01:04:34.639
<v Speaker 11>you were going to get drafted. And whether you made

1193
01:04:34.679 --> 01:04:36.960
<v Speaker 11>it or not through the medical and all that, that's

1194
01:04:37.039 --> 01:04:41.280
<v Speaker 11>another thing. But at least being drafted huge likelihood. And

1195
01:04:41.400 --> 01:04:43.880
<v Speaker 11>he went through and none of the people in Laurel

1196
01:04:43.920 --> 01:04:47.440
<v Speaker 11>Canyon got drafted. So it seems like these high ranking

1197
01:04:47.480 --> 01:04:51.119
<v Speaker 11>people found you know, creative ways of getting their kids

1198
01:04:51.280 --> 01:04:52.280
<v Speaker 11>not to get slaughtered.

1199
01:04:53.480 --> 01:04:58.159
<v Speaker 7>Or maybe they were drafted but in different capacity, you

1200
01:04:58.199 --> 01:05:00.519
<v Speaker 7>know what I mean, Like they were drafted, but they

1201
01:05:00.599 --> 01:05:04.119
<v Speaker 7>were carrying out a different operation and.

1202
01:05:04.079 --> 01:05:05.599
<v Speaker 9>They were very useful.

1203
01:05:06.320 --> 01:05:09.320
<v Speaker 7>Yeah, yeah, yeah, they were very useful. So there was

1204
01:05:09.360 --> 01:05:11.280
<v Speaker 7>no way that they were going to like ship them

1205
01:05:11.320 --> 01:05:13.719
<v Speaker 7>off somewhere. They were doing a great job here.

1206
01:05:14.199 --> 01:05:15.039
<v Speaker 8>You know, at home.

1207
01:05:16.039 --> 01:05:19.840
<v Speaker 9>Well remember they did that with Elvis. They had him

1208
01:05:19.880 --> 01:05:24.039
<v Speaker 9>all dressed up in the military and army and everything,

1209
01:05:24.119 --> 01:05:26.559
<v Speaker 9>And then they did that with Jimmy Hendricks as well.

1210
01:05:28.639 --> 01:05:29.239
<v Speaker 8>That's true.

1211
01:05:30.039 --> 01:05:32.000
<v Speaker 2>And Elvis was literally an agent.

1212
01:05:32.239 --> 01:05:37.440
<v Speaker 11>He was a DA agent and and people go through

1213
01:05:37.559 --> 01:05:39.639
<v Speaker 11>these books and they're like, Oh, it's just you know,

1214
01:05:39.840 --> 01:05:43.280
<v Speaker 11>some goofy thing he did because he has that much clout.

1215
01:05:43.440 --> 01:05:46.280
<v Speaker 11>But he was deputized in like several agencies.

1216
01:05:46.880 --> 01:05:51.079
<v Speaker 7>I mean, so, isn't that where he met Priscilla too?

1217
01:05:51.360 --> 01:05:52.079
<v Speaker 7>In Germany?

1218
01:05:53.320 --> 01:05:54.760
<v Speaker 6>I'm not sure.

1219
01:05:55.559 --> 01:06:00.519
<v Speaker 9>No, isn't that like Priscilla like his like this by

1220
01:06:00.559 --> 01:06:03.079
<v Speaker 9>the way, Yeah, I think she.

1221
01:06:03.159 --> 01:06:05.519
<v Speaker 6>I think she was even younger than that when the courtship.

1222
01:06:05.679 --> 01:06:10.599
<v Speaker 7>He was thirteen when the courtship began, but I swear

1223
01:06:10.639 --> 01:06:14.480
<v Speaker 7>he was. He met her while he was overseas. I

1224
01:06:14.559 --> 01:06:16.559
<v Speaker 7>want to say it brought her back.

1225
01:06:16.639 --> 01:06:17.079
<v Speaker 9>She came.

1226
01:06:17.199 --> 01:06:19.800
<v Speaker 6>I think he came home on leave or something.

1227
01:06:20.000 --> 01:06:20.719
<v Speaker 8>And Metricill.

1228
01:06:21.360 --> 01:06:22.159
<v Speaker 6>I mean, it's a story.

1229
01:06:22.239 --> 01:06:24.480
<v Speaker 8>I don't know. I covered it a long time ago.

1230
01:06:24.599 --> 01:06:29.840
<v Speaker 7>But actually I was going to have you tell your

1231
01:06:29.960 --> 01:06:32.480
<v Speaker 7>theory about Jack Nicholson.

1232
01:06:33.079 --> 01:06:36.920
<v Speaker 5>Oh well, I think that Jack Nicholson, he's got one

1233
01:06:36.960 --> 01:06:40.719
<v Speaker 5>of the most intriguing stories out of any of the

1234
01:06:41.159 --> 01:06:44.920
<v Speaker 5>Hollywood guys to come out. Yeah, but he's because he

1235
01:06:45.079 --> 01:06:48.559
<v Speaker 5>was definitely kind of not huge when he was doing

1236
01:06:48.599 --> 01:06:50.800
<v Speaker 5>his acting in the beginning. And the story is is

1237
01:06:50.840 --> 01:06:54.440
<v Speaker 5>that he decided to become more of a producer and

1238
01:06:54.480 --> 01:06:58.480
<v Speaker 5>then Rip Torn had a schedule conflict when they were

1239
01:06:58.519 --> 01:07:01.679
<v Speaker 5>doing Easy Writer, and so they got Nicholson and then

1240
01:07:02.440 --> 01:07:05.960
<v Speaker 5>that role helped him blow up. But his story is

1241
01:07:06.000 --> 01:07:10.679
<v Speaker 5>so similar to Ted Bundy's, like with him being raised

1242
01:07:10.679 --> 01:07:12.960
<v Speaker 5>by a grandmother that he thinks is his mother and

1243
01:07:13.000 --> 01:07:14.800
<v Speaker 5>his sister is actually his mom.

1244
01:07:15.320 --> 01:07:17.320
<v Speaker 6>No certificate, no birth certificate.

1245
01:07:17.480 --> 01:07:22.199
<v Speaker 5>But we were covering Ted Bundy and ever since, you know,

1246
01:07:22.400 --> 01:07:24.840
<v Speaker 5>probably like the last five years or so, when I've started.

1247
01:07:24.559 --> 01:07:26.360
<v Speaker 6>To think a lot of this stuff is just bullshit.

1248
01:07:26.480 --> 01:07:27.920
<v Speaker 6>Stage syops.

1249
01:07:28.639 --> 01:07:31.679
<v Speaker 5>I thought there was an interview with Ted Bundy. I

1250
01:07:31.719 --> 01:07:34.440
<v Speaker 5>think it was in Colorado, and I swear it to

1251
01:07:34.519 --> 01:07:35.320
<v Speaker 5>Jack Nicholson.

1252
01:07:36.079 --> 01:07:37.360
<v Speaker 8>Yeah, I think it's compelling.

1253
01:07:37.519 --> 01:07:38.039
<v Speaker 6>It's it.

1254
01:07:39.920 --> 01:07:43.440
<v Speaker 9>Did you ever see the movie psych Out with Jack Nicholson.

1255
01:07:44.159 --> 01:07:45.800
<v Speaker 5>Is that one of the like the ones he made

1256
01:07:45.840 --> 01:07:48.119
<v Speaker 5>with Fonda and Dennis Hopper.

1257
01:07:47.840 --> 01:07:48.880
<v Speaker 6>Before they did Easy Writer?

1258
01:07:49.039 --> 01:07:51.320
<v Speaker 9>And Yeah, it's like it's like a it's like an

1259
01:07:51.400 --> 01:07:53.079
<v Speaker 9>acid movie through the whole thing.

1260
01:07:54.159 --> 01:07:56.840
<v Speaker 5>Yeah, they kind of worked their way up to Easy Writer,

1261
01:07:56.960 --> 01:07:58.360
<v Speaker 5>which to me, I love Easy Writer.

1262
01:07:58.719 --> 01:07:59.920
<v Speaker 6>That was one of my favorite movies.

1263
01:08:00.159 --> 01:08:03.199
<v Speaker 9>Then he also he also did a biker movie too.

1264
01:08:03.760 --> 01:08:05.800
<v Speaker 7>Yeah, wasn't that Easy Rider.

1265
01:08:06.320 --> 01:08:09.000
<v Speaker 9>No, I mean not a different one if it's almost

1266
01:08:09.079 --> 01:08:12.159
<v Speaker 9>like Hell's Angels kind of thing. Really it was called

1267
01:08:12.199 --> 01:08:13.000
<v Speaker 9>Hell's Angels.

1268
01:08:13.039 --> 01:08:13.960
<v Speaker 8>Maybe I don't.

1269
01:08:13.840 --> 01:08:18.039
<v Speaker 6>Remember he played the Joker too, shit, Oh.

1270
01:08:17.680 --> 01:08:18.520
<v Speaker 9>Yeah he did.

1271
01:08:21.800 --> 01:08:24.399
<v Speaker 7>I think Jack Nicholson is probably one of the most

1272
01:08:24.439 --> 01:08:27.560
<v Speaker 7>well known out of the list. I mean maybe my

1273
01:08:27.720 --> 01:08:32.560
<v Speaker 7>list is Jack Nicholson, Warren Bady, Dennis Hopper, Peter Fonda, Salminio,

1274
01:08:32.720 --> 01:08:36.359
<v Speaker 7>and James Deen. Which there's a whole thing about James

1275
01:08:36.359 --> 01:08:38.920
<v Speaker 7>Dean too. I can't remember what it is though he

1276
01:08:39.039 --> 01:08:40.000
<v Speaker 7>was gay, right and.

1277
01:08:41.920 --> 01:08:43.760
<v Speaker 6>Was he gay? I know Montgomery Cliffs.

1278
01:08:43.760 --> 01:08:48.840
<v Speaker 7>I remember reading something in McAllen rock Hudson was gay.

1279
01:08:48.960 --> 01:08:51.119
<v Speaker 6>I mean maybe they all were.

1280
01:08:50.199 --> 01:08:51.800
<v Speaker 8>There and they're gay together.

1281
01:08:52.840 --> 01:08:55.840
<v Speaker 6>But yeah, the list is. But you got to throw

1282
01:08:55.920 --> 01:08:59.600
<v Speaker 6>Roman Plansky in there one hundred. He's not an actor.

1283
01:08:59.720 --> 01:09:05.000
<v Speaker 7>But you should also didn't say your theory about the

1284
01:09:05.479 --> 01:09:08.520
<v Speaker 7>the Tate murders being staged.

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01:09:08.680 --> 01:09:11.000
<v Speaker 5>Oh yeah, I've just come to the point where I

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01:09:11.039 --> 01:09:13.439
<v Speaker 5>think a lot of these things never really happened, and

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01:09:14.439 --> 01:09:15.640
<v Speaker 5>the Lobbyanco ones.

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01:09:16.279 --> 01:09:19.319
<v Speaker 6>I think probably get overlooked a lot just because of

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01:09:19.359 --> 01:09:23.920
<v Speaker 6>the you know, the scope of the Tate killings. But

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01:09:25.319 --> 01:09:25.880
<v Speaker 6>I don't know.

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01:09:26.039 --> 01:09:29.600
<v Speaker 5>I can't be convinced after reading everything about Laurel Canyon

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01:09:29.680 --> 01:09:33.159
<v Speaker 5>and who her dad was and the way they blew

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01:09:33.159 --> 01:09:34.800
<v Speaker 5>it up. It's kind of like how I also don't

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01:09:34.800 --> 01:09:37.800
<v Speaker 5>think the West Memphis three thing even is real. It

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01:09:37.960 --> 01:09:41.760
<v Speaker 5>just seems like they take these moments in time to

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01:09:41.880 --> 01:09:44.520
<v Speaker 5>really shift everything. And I really don't think they would

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01:09:44.560 --> 01:09:45.479
<v Speaker 5>have to kill anybody.

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01:09:45.800 --> 01:09:46.680
<v Speaker 6>Oftentimes.

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01:09:47.119 --> 01:09:50.359
<v Speaker 7>You think it was like a Hollywood stage, Like.

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01:09:52.239 --> 01:09:56.439
<v Speaker 5>I mean, Hollywood is CIA, CIA is Hollywood.

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01:09:56.560 --> 01:09:57.520
<v Speaker 6>Throw Disney in there.

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01:09:57.760 --> 01:10:01.600
<v Speaker 5>Lad Sharon Tate's I don't remember if what branch of

1303
01:10:01.600 --> 01:10:04.439
<v Speaker 5>the military he was, but he kind of came in

1304
01:10:04.520 --> 01:10:09.279
<v Speaker 5>and just took over after it happened. And I mean,

1305
01:10:09.319 --> 01:10:12.000
<v Speaker 5>they just all the stuff they found that the Polanski

1306
01:10:12.079 --> 01:10:14.560
<v Speaker 5>household it if she is dead.

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01:10:14.520 --> 01:10:16.760
<v Speaker 6>I mean, I'm kind of on the fence about it.

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01:10:16.800 --> 01:10:17.760
<v Speaker 6>But if I had to.

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01:10:17.720 --> 01:10:21.039
<v Speaker 5>Say, you know, life or death, situation gunned to head,

1310
01:10:21.600 --> 01:10:24.119
<v Speaker 5>I would say that they staged a lot of it. Yeah,

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01:10:24.119 --> 01:10:27.319
<v Speaker 5>and the Polansky Nicholson connection is huge too, and that's

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01:10:27.560 --> 01:10:31.640
<v Speaker 5>whose house the hot tub incident happened with the girl,

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01:10:31.880 --> 01:10:34.119
<v Speaker 5>you know, the whole reason they had to extradite him,

1314
01:10:34.159 --> 01:10:37.119
<v Speaker 5>and or not extradite but move him over to France.

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01:10:37.960 --> 01:10:40.880
<v Speaker 5>And so a lot of the Hollywood stuff really goes

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01:10:40.920 --> 01:10:43.439
<v Speaker 5>overlooked when we talk about Laurel Canyon just because the

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01:10:43.479 --> 01:10:46.840
<v Speaker 5>music scenes huge way easier to get.

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01:10:46.720 --> 01:10:47.600
<v Speaker 6>Kind of engulfed in.

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01:10:47.720 --> 01:10:50.600
<v Speaker 5>But a lot of the stuff that is the darkest

1320
01:10:50.760 --> 01:10:52.319
<v Speaker 5>was gone on with the movie stars.

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01:10:53.760 --> 01:10:58.039
<v Speaker 11>Yeah, but Lookout Mountain had stated the art equipment, that's

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01:10:58.039 --> 01:11:02.520
<v Speaker 11>where they were filming nuclear films, right for the nuclear blasts, and.

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01:11:02.720 --> 01:11:06.520
<v Speaker 7>That's what they said officially. I think they were doing

1324
01:11:06.560 --> 01:11:09.600
<v Speaker 7>a lot of stuff unofficially that will never know about.

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01:11:09.640 --> 01:11:12.000
<v Speaker 6>They say that's where they like developed the film.

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01:11:12.199 --> 01:11:15.000
<v Speaker 7>Okay, then why did Marilyn Monroe have tops?

1327
01:11:15.199 --> 01:11:17.760
<v Speaker 6>Well what he's saying. I always thought that those things

1328
01:11:17.800 --> 01:11:18.800
<v Speaker 6>looked like a model.

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01:11:19.279 --> 01:11:20.880
<v Speaker 8>Yeah, they look fake and game.

1330
01:11:20.760 --> 01:11:23.079
<v Speaker 5>And that's where they're probably filming all that type of thing, right,

1331
01:11:23.199 --> 01:11:25.600
<v Speaker 5>And like, if Kubrick really did film the moon landing,

1332
01:11:25.720 --> 01:11:27.840
<v Speaker 5>if it was him or somebody else that look Out

1333
01:11:27.880 --> 01:11:29.319
<v Speaker 5>that's probably where they would have done it.

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01:11:29.439 --> 01:11:33.680
<v Speaker 7>I mean, Marilyn Monroe, she was one of the astronauts

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01:11:34.119 --> 01:11:38.920
<v Speaker 7>Frank Sinatra, Right, yeah, Frank Sinatra, high Tops parents.

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01:11:41.880 --> 01:11:45.479
<v Speaker 9>Well, I don't know why I'm blanking. Oh Seabring, J Sebring.

1337
01:11:46.199 --> 01:11:48.159
<v Speaker 9>I brought it up last time, but you have to

1338
01:11:48.159 --> 01:11:51.720
<v Speaker 9>watch the j Sebring documentary. It's interesting.

1339
01:11:52.000 --> 01:11:54.119
<v Speaker 7>Where can we find it?

1340
01:11:53.720 --> 01:11:56.399
<v Speaker 9>It was just on Amazon when it came out, and

1341
01:11:56.439 --> 01:11:58.880
<v Speaker 9>I think I readed it for like two or three bucks.

1342
01:11:59.119 --> 01:12:00.760
<v Speaker 7>It's just called jas or what.

1343
01:12:01.319 --> 01:12:03.960
<v Speaker 9>Yeah, it's just about it's about him. It's a it's

1344
01:12:04.000 --> 01:12:09.279
<v Speaker 9>pretty interesting, but they it. It has the lawyer and everything,

1345
01:12:09.279 --> 01:12:11.399
<v Speaker 9>and it kind of talks about he was saying that

1346
01:12:12.439 --> 01:12:16.439
<v Speaker 9>Sharon was trying to divorce Polanski and that she was

1347
01:12:16.479 --> 01:12:22.119
<v Speaker 9>trying to get back with Seabring, And it's pretty interesting.

1348
01:12:22.720 --> 01:12:25.800
<v Speaker 9>I found it interesting anyway. But the only problem again,

1349
01:12:25.960 --> 01:12:29.520
<v Speaker 9>it just adds to the case. You're like, oh my gosh,

1350
01:12:29.560 --> 01:12:30.119
<v Speaker 9>now here's this.

1351
01:12:31.279 --> 01:12:34.439
<v Speaker 7>Yeah, right, I know, But isn't Jay c. Bring the

1352
01:12:34.479 --> 01:12:36.680
<v Speaker 7>one that used to cut Jim Morrison's hair? Jase?

1353
01:12:37.079 --> 01:12:38.520
<v Speaker 6>I mean he was the.

1354
01:12:40.640 --> 01:12:51.319
<v Speaker 9>Sinatra Sinatra, Sammy Davis, Uh yeah, all those people, almost

1355
01:12:51.359 --> 01:12:57.159
<v Speaker 9>anybody that what's his what's his name? Steve McQueen was

1356
01:12:57.199 --> 01:12:58.479
<v Speaker 9>like his best friend.

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01:12:59.279 --> 01:12:59.640
<v Speaker 6>M M.

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01:13:01.159 --> 01:13:07.840
<v Speaker 7>Was Natalie Wood, Laurel Canyon. I mean I think like

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01:13:08.000 --> 01:13:12.520
<v Speaker 7>Laurel Canyon adjacent definitely, because I know she was tight

1360
01:13:12.600 --> 01:13:16.640
<v Speaker 7>with Warren Batty. Who is Laurel Canyon, and that I

1361
01:13:16.720 --> 01:13:20.079
<v Speaker 7>did an episode a long time ago on like how

1362
01:13:20.159 --> 01:13:23.800
<v Speaker 7>weird her death was too, because well.

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01:13:23.640 --> 01:13:25.600
<v Speaker 5>A lot of people watched Once upon a Time in

1364
01:13:25.600 --> 01:13:28.119
<v Speaker 5>Hollywood with the Brad Pitt out on the boat with

1365
01:13:28.159 --> 01:13:32.159
<v Speaker 5>the harpoon thing and maybe killed his wife. That that

1366
01:13:32.319 --> 01:13:35.520
<v Speaker 5>was a nod to Natalie Wood, rightuation.

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01:13:35.760 --> 01:13:38.319
<v Speaker 7>I didn't know that, but I mean, yeah, there's a

1368
01:13:38.319 --> 01:13:41.000
<v Speaker 7>lot of suspicious, weird stuff about what happened to her,

1369
01:13:41.880 --> 01:13:43.199
<v Speaker 7>because wasn't.

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01:13:43.039 --> 01:13:48.439
<v Speaker 9>Who was on the boat, right, Yeah, I can't remember

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01:13:48.439 --> 01:13:50.760
<v Speaker 9>the other her husband and they got in an argument

1372
01:13:50.880 --> 01:13:54.159
<v Speaker 9>or something. She hadn't hung out with Christopher walking all

1373
01:13:54.279 --> 01:13:54.960
<v Speaker 9>day or something.

1374
01:13:55.640 --> 01:13:58.319
<v Speaker 7>Yeah, that's what it was, and he was on the boat.

1375
01:13:58.399 --> 01:14:01.479
<v Speaker 7>I do remember that, but gosh, I wish I could

1376
01:14:01.520 --> 01:14:04.520
<v Speaker 7>remember from that episode. But there was like even like

1377
01:14:04.560 --> 01:14:07.079
<v Speaker 7>a witness or something that saw her like in the

1378
01:14:07.119 --> 01:14:10.159
<v Speaker 7>water screaming for help and nobody would throw her a floaty.

1379
01:14:10.760 --> 01:14:13.920
<v Speaker 7>I mean, she couldn't swim, so but I couldn't remember

1380
01:14:13.920 --> 01:14:16.880
<v Speaker 7>if she was Laurel Canyon or like Laurel Canyon adjacent.

1381
01:14:17.039 --> 01:14:19.239
<v Speaker 6>I mean I think that McGowan does bring her up

1382
01:14:19.239 --> 01:14:19.720
<v Speaker 6>in the book.

1383
01:14:20.000 --> 01:14:22.000
<v Speaker 8>He also brings up Phil Hartman too.

1384
01:14:22.279 --> 01:14:22.479
<v Speaker 1>Yeah.

1385
01:14:22.520 --> 01:14:26.279
<v Speaker 5>Phil Hartman's an interesting one just because of I don't

1386
01:14:26.279 --> 01:14:28.800
<v Speaker 5>remember exactly what he was doing, but he ended up

1387
01:14:28.840 --> 01:14:33.319
<v Speaker 5>being like the guy who designed a lot of the logos, right, Yeah,

1388
01:14:33.399 --> 01:14:35.199
<v Speaker 5>did some album cover artwork.

1389
01:14:35.680 --> 01:14:38.000
<v Speaker 8>He came up with Crosby Stills in Nash logo.

1390
01:14:38.520 --> 01:14:43.039
<v Speaker 5>Yeah, and I think his death is really suspicious. I

1391
01:14:43.159 --> 01:14:44.479
<v Speaker 5>used to just buy the story.

1392
01:14:45.039 --> 01:14:46.359
<v Speaker 7>But his wife shot him.

1393
01:14:46.560 --> 01:14:48.520
<v Speaker 5>Yeah, I mean I heard someone talking about it once

1394
01:14:48.560 --> 01:14:51.039
<v Speaker 5>and then when they said that she used to step

1395
01:14:51.079 --> 01:14:53.159
<v Speaker 5>down to kill herself, then she used to kill him.

1396
01:14:53.159 --> 01:14:54.960
<v Speaker 5>That right there was like, okay, you got to look

1397
01:14:55.000 --> 01:14:58.359
<v Speaker 5>into this one. There's a lot of fucker your foot

1398
01:14:58.399 --> 01:15:01.239
<v Speaker 5>on that one. And he was around all these guys

1399
01:15:01.239 --> 01:15:02.279
<v Speaker 5>when he was really young.

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01:15:03.720 --> 01:15:09.319
<v Speaker 7>Yeah, And I can't remember where what part of the block.

1401
01:15:09.399 --> 01:15:11.640
<v Speaker 7>I think it was like on the last page or something.

1402
01:15:11.680 --> 01:15:14.239
<v Speaker 7>He talks about like Phil Hartman and some people who

1403
01:15:14.279 --> 01:15:17.399
<v Speaker 7>were like distantly related to the Canyon. I think that's

1404
01:15:17.399 --> 01:15:22.479
<v Speaker 7>when Natalie Wood comes up. But I mean, I feel

1405
01:15:22.479 --> 01:15:27.000
<v Speaker 7>like I've asked everybody except for Mike and Thrash who

1406
01:15:27.039 --> 01:15:31.039
<v Speaker 7>their favorite Laurel Canyon people. Did I ask you, Lisa,

1407
01:15:32.199 --> 01:15:37.279
<v Speaker 7>you did, I did ask your favorite and you.

1408
01:15:37.279 --> 01:15:41.079
<v Speaker 10>Said yes, I said, I mean I like them, yes,

1409
01:15:41.520 --> 01:15:45.159
<v Speaker 10>But I think, like I said, Joni Mitchell, right, Yeah,

1410
01:15:45.159 --> 01:15:48.079
<v Speaker 10>that's what she said, because he really talks about them.

1411
01:15:48.239 --> 01:15:51.000
<v Speaker 10>They're kind of in the background, probably watching it all happen.

1412
01:15:51.560 --> 01:15:56.520
<v Speaker 2>You know, Eric Clapton all day. For me, I love

1413
01:15:56.640 --> 01:15:57.199
<v Speaker 2>Eric Clapton.

1414
01:15:57.479 --> 01:15:58.960
<v Speaker 7>Is that what Nick landed on to?

1415
01:15:59.359 --> 01:16:01.159
<v Speaker 1>I think so yes.

1416
01:16:01.399 --> 01:16:07.520
<v Speaker 9>That leaves Thrash Well, it's it's either Frank Zappa or

1417
01:16:07.800 --> 01:16:13.800
<v Speaker 9>Jim Morrison, like I feel, but I have more Jim

1418
01:16:13.840 --> 01:16:17.319
<v Speaker 9>Morrison books, but I feel like I'm more into Frank

1419
01:16:17.399 --> 01:16:24.399
<v Speaker 9>Zappa's music. I feel like Frank Zappa actually said a

1420
01:16:24.439 --> 01:16:27.000
<v Speaker 9>lot with his music, like he was kind of exposing

1421
01:16:27.039 --> 01:16:29.239
<v Speaker 9>a lot of MK ulture and stuff in my opinion,

1422
01:16:29.439 --> 01:16:32.760
<v Speaker 9>even though he was still kind of a garbage guy.

1423
01:16:33.000 --> 01:16:37.600
<v Speaker 7>Hm hmmm, yeah, what was it?

1424
01:16:37.720 --> 01:16:38.720
<v Speaker 8>Mothers of invention?

1425
01:16:39.359 --> 01:16:42.760
<v Speaker 9>But he started he like gave like so many good

1426
01:16:42.840 --> 01:16:46.039
<v Speaker 9>musicians got their start through Frank Zappa.

1427
01:16:45.760 --> 01:16:50.479
<v Speaker 5>Un as far as just like musically speaking, he was

1428
01:16:50.520 --> 01:16:54.479
<v Speaker 5>so extimental and I think he's probably influenced so many

1429
01:16:54.520 --> 01:16:57.199
<v Speaker 5>people that probably wouldn't be playing music today.

1430
01:16:58.000 --> 01:17:01.079
<v Speaker 6>He's definitely he's eccentric.

1431
01:17:01.760 --> 01:17:05.119
<v Speaker 9>He literally has albums called Shut Up and Play Your Guitar,

1432
01:17:05.880 --> 01:17:08.880
<v Speaker 9>and it's there's like four or five albums and they're

1433
01:17:08.880 --> 01:17:13.359
<v Speaker 9>literally nothing but guitar solos. It's just it's a band

1434
01:17:13.479 --> 01:17:18.680
<v Speaker 9>and just him just shredding for twenty minutes, I think.

1435
01:17:18.720 --> 01:17:24.640
<v Speaker 9>But like Terry Bosio, he would always somehow find child prodigies.

1436
01:17:24.680 --> 01:17:27.880
<v Speaker 9>In my opinion, like Terry Bozio is probably the one

1437
01:17:27.920 --> 01:17:32.399
<v Speaker 9>of the greatest drummers ever. And he started with Frank Zappa.

1438
01:17:32.479 --> 01:17:34.720
<v Speaker 9>Steve I started with Frank Zappa.

1439
01:17:35.920 --> 01:17:38.239
<v Speaker 7>Yah, didn't Crosby Stills the Nash.

1440
01:17:38.000 --> 01:17:39.800
<v Speaker 1>Start with them.

1441
01:17:41.399 --> 01:17:46.600
<v Speaker 9>One jammed, He jammed with everybody and uh, Frank Zappa

1442
01:17:46.720 --> 01:17:50.720
<v Speaker 9>even had like a beef with John Lennon. Be could

1443
01:17:51.159 --> 01:17:53.439
<v Speaker 9>you could find a little clip of him talking crap.

1444
01:17:54.600 --> 01:17:58.279
<v Speaker 9>So they did like a live show with Yoko Ono

1445
01:17:58.520 --> 01:18:02.800
<v Speaker 9>and John Lennon and uh Zappa. They played one of

1446
01:18:02.880 --> 01:18:10.479
<v Speaker 9>Zappa's songs and then on John Lynn's album, he credited

1447
01:18:10.640 --> 01:18:14.560
<v Speaker 9>hisself that they wrote the song and he changed the

1448
01:18:14.600 --> 01:18:17.880
<v Speaker 9>title and everything, so.

1449
01:18:18.039 --> 01:18:19.439
<v Speaker 8>They had like bad blood.

1450
01:18:20.239 --> 01:18:24.079
<v Speaker 9>Well he just yeah. Zappa was kind of outspoken. He

1451
01:18:24.079 --> 01:18:26.479
<v Speaker 9>would just kind of like if you did something like that,

1452
01:18:26.560 --> 01:18:27.760
<v Speaker 9>he would just call you out on it.

1453
01:18:27.920 --> 01:18:30.760
<v Speaker 5>Yeah, He's like, who this, who's this fucking Tavistock puke

1454
01:18:30.880 --> 01:18:31.840
<v Speaker 5>coming out her?

1455
01:18:32.800 --> 01:18:33.039
<v Speaker 9>Right?

1456
01:18:33.319 --> 01:18:34.239
<v Speaker 8>Yeah?

1457
01:18:34.359 --> 01:18:37.600
<v Speaker 7>I was gonna say because the Beatles were at some

1458
01:18:37.800 --> 01:18:39.960
<v Speaker 7>point hanging out with them, weren't they.

1459
01:18:40.199 --> 01:18:44.119
<v Speaker 5>Yeah, there was some overlap there. I know Lennon was

1460
01:18:44.119 --> 01:18:45.000
<v Speaker 5>there quite often.

1461
01:18:45.880 --> 01:18:47.319
<v Speaker 6>Even there's Harry.

1462
01:18:47.119 --> 01:18:52.079
<v Speaker 5>Nilsen right, yep, befriended the Beatles and was there's some

1463
01:18:52.119 --> 01:18:54.560
<v Speaker 5>suspicious stuff that went on with that guy and at

1464
01:18:54.560 --> 01:18:56.199
<v Speaker 5>his house one hundred.

1465
01:18:56.560 --> 01:18:59.760
<v Speaker 7>Wasn't that who Mama Cass was hanging out with when

1466
01:18:59.800 --> 01:19:01.960
<v Speaker 7>she choked on the ham sandwich? I think she did

1467
01:19:02.159 --> 01:19:04.479
<v Speaker 7>quote unquote she choked on a ham sandwich.

1468
01:19:04.560 --> 01:19:08.239
<v Speaker 9>Yeah, well, Mama Cass. And then we're supposed to be

1469
01:19:08.319 --> 01:19:10.840
<v Speaker 9>going over to the titehouse to have a party that night,

1470
01:19:10.920 --> 01:19:16.159
<v Speaker 9>like right, And that's why Steve McQueen supposedly went by

1471
01:19:16.199 --> 01:19:18.720
<v Speaker 9>and got the drugs from the house before the police

1472
01:19:18.720 --> 01:19:19.159
<v Speaker 9>got there.

1473
01:19:20.319 --> 01:19:22.319
<v Speaker 7>There is Lisa, were you gonna saycreams?

1474
01:19:22.359 --> 01:19:23.399
<v Speaker 2>Sang? Just kidding?

1475
01:19:24.399 --> 01:19:27.560
<v Speaker 10>No, No, No, I was. I think I was going

1476
01:19:27.640 --> 01:19:29.760
<v Speaker 10>to say something about something else. Oh, I was going

1477
01:19:29.800 --> 01:19:31.279
<v Speaker 10>to make a joke because you were saying bad blood.

1478
01:19:31.279 --> 01:19:34.960
<v Speaker 10>It was like Taylor Swift bad blood. It was a

1479
01:19:34.960 --> 01:19:35.479
<v Speaker 10>bad joke.

1480
01:19:36.359 --> 01:19:39.399
<v Speaker 8>No, it's a good joke. I like it. I appreciate it.

1481
01:19:40.239 --> 01:19:43.720
<v Speaker 7>And isn't it. Did her Man win the Super Bowl?

1482
01:19:44.199 --> 01:19:44.640
<v Speaker 6>No?

1483
01:19:44.640 --> 01:19:45.640
<v Speaker 12>No, no he did not.

1484
01:19:46.199 --> 01:19:47.600
<v Speaker 7>He did not win, but he did.

1485
01:19:47.640 --> 01:19:49.640
<v Speaker 12>Look on movie storage anyway, Yeah.

1486
01:19:49.520 --> 01:19:50.039
<v Speaker 7>I saw that.

1487
01:19:50.199 --> 01:19:50.760
<v Speaker 8>I saw that.

1488
01:19:53.119 --> 01:19:55.960
<v Speaker 7>I was gonna say, somebody posted something about Yoko Oh

1489
01:19:56.039 --> 01:19:58.880
<v Speaker 7>no a comment, oh that she was a psychopath.

1490
01:19:59.239 --> 01:20:00.600
<v Speaker 8>I actually do I believe that.

1491
01:20:01.239 --> 01:20:03.760
<v Speaker 7>Have you ever heard the story of like what John

1492
01:20:03.840 --> 01:20:06.439
<v Speaker 7>Lennon like what made him fall in love with her?

1493
01:20:06.520 --> 01:20:08.800
<v Speaker 8>Have you guys heard this bullshit as story?

1494
01:20:10.239 --> 01:20:14.359
<v Speaker 11>Oh guys, it's like mklaw he's a sign and says

1495
01:20:14.439 --> 01:20:15.479
<v Speaker 11>yes or something.

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01:20:15.600 --> 01:20:18.439
<v Speaker 2>Right, Yeah, I watch the building.

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01:20:19.119 --> 01:20:19.319
<v Speaker 9>Right.

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01:20:19.560 --> 01:20:22.000
<v Speaker 7>He goes to like an art exhibit and all this

1499
01:20:22.039 --> 01:20:26.000
<v Speaker 7>stuff is like really dark and really like macabre, and

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01:20:26.199 --> 01:20:28.399
<v Speaker 7>there's like an art piece where you have to climb

1501
01:20:28.399 --> 01:20:30.439
<v Speaker 7>a ladder and go all the way to the top

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01:20:30.479 --> 01:20:31.199
<v Speaker 7>of the ladder to.

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01:20:31.159 --> 01:20:32.840
<v Speaker 8>See like what the art pieces.

1504
01:20:33.199 --> 01:20:34.680
<v Speaker 7>And he thought he was going to get to the

1505
01:20:34.720 --> 01:20:36.560
<v Speaker 7>top and it was going to say suck my dick

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01:20:36.680 --> 01:20:39.319
<v Speaker 7>or something like that, but instead it said something really

1507
01:20:39.359 --> 01:20:41.960
<v Speaker 7>beautiful and positive, and he was like, I need to

1508
01:20:42.000 --> 01:20:44.439
<v Speaker 7>meet the person who made this, and it was Yoko's

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01:20:44.439 --> 01:20:47.039
<v Speaker 7>bitch ass, and I guess they just fell in love

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01:20:47.079 --> 01:20:49.479
<v Speaker 7>after that. But this is why I say I think

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01:20:49.520 --> 01:20:52.359
<v Speaker 7>a lot of this stuff is actually made up. I'm

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01:20:52.600 --> 01:20:55.960
<v Speaker 7>I'm almost ninety nine point nine percent certain that John

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01:20:56.039 --> 01:20:59.960
<v Speaker 7>is trans at this point because he's he's like John didn't.

1514
01:21:00.159 --> 01:21:03.159
<v Speaker 7>He's small and dainty, kind of feminine.

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01:21:03.600 --> 01:21:04.399
<v Speaker 2>Well, I don't know.

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01:21:04.399 --> 01:21:05.840
<v Speaker 6>There's a lot of people out there who.

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01:21:05.760 --> 01:21:08.039
<v Speaker 7>Say all of them are They're all training.

1518
01:21:08.119 --> 01:21:11.119
<v Speaker 6>I can't like every will never.

1519
01:21:11.000 --> 01:21:14.840
<v Speaker 7>Say George is a training. I love George. George is

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01:21:14.880 --> 01:21:15.960
<v Speaker 7>the best beetle.

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01:21:17.800 --> 01:21:19.880
<v Speaker 6>Yeah, I don't know. I think there's inversion that goes on.

1522
01:21:19.960 --> 01:21:23.439
<v Speaker 6>But at the level of Yoka trans, I mean i'd

1523
01:21:23.439 --> 01:21:23.960
<v Speaker 6>buy that one.

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01:21:24.439 --> 01:21:26.920
<v Speaker 8>Look at her. Holy shit.

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01:21:27.399 --> 01:21:29.880
<v Speaker 7>I was gonna say something before that though. Oh. I

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01:21:29.880 --> 01:21:32.199
<v Speaker 7>think my favorite out of the Laurel Canyon is the

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01:21:32.199 --> 01:21:34.960
<v Speaker 7>mom's in the Papas. I don't know if if Janice

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01:21:35.079 --> 01:21:38.000
<v Speaker 7>is the honorable mention, is she Laurel Canyon?

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01:21:40.560 --> 01:21:41.960
<v Speaker 9>Oh yeah?

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01:21:42.239 --> 01:21:43.000
<v Speaker 7>Living really?

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01:21:43.159 --> 01:21:44.439
<v Speaker 8>Okay, okay, oh.

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01:21:44.359 --> 01:21:47.479
<v Speaker 9>Yeah, she even died in a hotel that it was

1533
01:21:47.520 --> 01:21:48.880
<v Speaker 9>like right there in Laurel Kenyon.

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01:21:49.000 --> 01:21:50.319
<v Speaker 7>Is she twenty seven clubs.

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01:21:51.159 --> 01:21:56.000
<v Speaker 9>Yeah, okay, so she supposedly died from the She had

1536
01:21:56.039 --> 01:21:59.840
<v Speaker 9>the same heroine that supposedly Jim Morrison died. They had

1537
01:21:59.840 --> 01:22:04.039
<v Speaker 9>the same heroin dealer who was the same dealer for

1538
01:22:04.119 --> 01:22:07.359
<v Speaker 9>the Stones, and that dealer ended up dying from his

1539
01:22:07.439 --> 01:22:08.039
<v Speaker 9>own stuff.

1540
01:22:08.039 --> 01:22:08.720
<v Speaker 2>He was like a.

1541
01:22:09.840 --> 01:22:13.840
<v Speaker 9>French like related to French royalty, and he had like

1542
01:22:13.880 --> 01:22:17.079
<v Speaker 9>connections to Morocco and everything, and he was like shipping

1543
01:22:17.079 --> 01:22:20.880
<v Speaker 9>stuff all over I think she killed herself.

1544
01:22:20.399 --> 01:22:22.000
<v Speaker 6>Though, sorry, I'm supposedly too.

1545
01:22:22.640 --> 01:22:23.079
<v Speaker 8>I don't think.

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01:22:23.159 --> 01:22:26.239
<v Speaker 9>I think there was a lot of I think heroin

1547
01:22:26.479 --> 01:22:33.000
<v Speaker 9>was becoming the thing around right after that. I think

1548
01:22:33.039 --> 01:22:36.319
<v Speaker 9>she was addicted to it in my opinion, but.

1549
01:22:35.800 --> 01:22:42.000
<v Speaker 7>Like accidental overdose though, yeah, because his stuff was supposedly

1550
01:22:42.119 --> 01:22:44.640
<v Speaker 7>so strong that he even died.

1551
01:22:44.439 --> 01:22:45.560
<v Speaker 9>From it, right.

1552
01:22:45.600 --> 01:22:47.840
<v Speaker 7>But they put her down as like a suicide. And

1553
01:22:47.880 --> 01:22:52.000
<v Speaker 7>I don't think she killed herself. No, Janet, Yeah, I

1554
01:22:52.000 --> 01:22:54.560
<v Speaker 7>don't think Janice killed herself because she was about to

1555
01:22:54.560 --> 01:22:55.079
<v Speaker 7>get married.

1556
01:22:55.119 --> 01:22:56.039
<v Speaker 8>She was so happy.

1557
01:22:57.800 --> 01:22:59.680
<v Speaker 9>I could see her accidentally doing it.

1558
01:23:00.279 --> 01:23:02.520
<v Speaker 8>Yes, maybe accidentally.

1559
01:23:03.479 --> 01:23:06.079
<v Speaker 7>Or maybe because she's part of the twenty seven club

1560
01:23:06.199 --> 01:23:08.680
<v Speaker 7>like she had it was her time to go, and

1561
01:23:08.720 --> 01:23:10.319
<v Speaker 7>they fucking set it up to make it.

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01:23:10.279 --> 01:23:14.079
<v Speaker 9>Look like well, there was also blind Now Wilson who

1563
01:23:14.159 --> 01:23:17.199
<v Speaker 9>was a part of Yeah he who was also the

1564
01:23:17.279 --> 01:23:20.600
<v Speaker 9>twenty seventh Club, who's directly tied into Laurel Kane.

1565
01:23:20.720 --> 01:23:23.880
<v Speaker 7>I mentioned that with William Ramsey if you go on

1566
01:23:23.920 --> 01:23:25.800
<v Speaker 7>the blog. I don't know if we could do a

1567
01:23:25.840 --> 01:23:29.039
<v Speaker 7>share screen or something, but there's this whole Laurel knyon

1568
01:23:29.199 --> 01:23:34.520
<v Speaker 7>death list that he lists off the blog, and blind

1569
01:23:34.600 --> 01:23:38.000
<v Speaker 7>Al Wilson is on there, Janie is on there, Jimmy

1570
01:23:38.039 --> 01:23:40.680
<v Speaker 7>Hendrix is on there. I mean, they're all there. But

1571
01:23:40.800 --> 01:23:42.920
<v Speaker 7>it's like, it's just odd to me how many get

1572
01:23:43.000 --> 01:23:47.359
<v Speaker 7>ruled a suicide when the circumstances around the quote unquote

1573
01:23:47.359 --> 01:23:52.000
<v Speaker 7>suicide are just so suspicious. It's like, there's no way

1574
01:23:52.039 --> 01:23:55.520
<v Speaker 7>these are all fucking suicides. Like you're not convincing me

1575
01:23:55.560 --> 01:23:55.880
<v Speaker 7>of that.

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01:23:57.039 --> 01:23:58.039
<v Speaker 8>No way.

1577
01:23:59.479 --> 01:24:02.239
<v Speaker 10>One thing that I thought of when you were saying

1578
01:24:02.319 --> 01:24:04.520
<v Speaker 10>twenty seven club. I mean, you hear twenty seven club

1579
01:24:04.560 --> 01:24:07.239
<v Speaker 10>over and over and over, right, But you know what,

1580
01:24:07.399 --> 01:24:10.880
<v Speaker 10>people haven't talked about people who die at seventy two.

1581
01:24:12.000 --> 01:24:14.800
<v Speaker 10>Seventy two, Yeah, because twenty seven.

1582
01:24:14.600 --> 01:24:16.479
<v Speaker 7>Maybe that long out of the Laurel Canyon.

1583
01:24:17.640 --> 01:24:21.159
<v Speaker 12>John Wayne was seventy two and so was Frank Sinatra.

1584
01:24:21.800 --> 01:24:25.279
<v Speaker 7>Ew Old Blue Eyes was gonna.

1585
01:24:25.039 --> 01:24:27.720
<v Speaker 6>Say louied, but I think he was seventy one.

1586
01:24:28.600 --> 01:24:28.720
<v Speaker 1>Well.

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01:24:28.760 --> 01:24:30.920
<v Speaker 6>I always liked the ones that died either twenty six

1588
01:24:31.039 --> 01:24:33.600
<v Speaker 6>or twenty eight because it's like, uh, you almost had it.

1589
01:24:33.840 --> 01:24:36.800
<v Speaker 7>I think anybody who dies in their twenties, well, I

1590
01:24:36.840 --> 01:24:38.479
<v Speaker 7>mean you could Phoenix.

1591
01:24:38.720 --> 01:24:41.239
<v Speaker 5>There's a lot of It's like twenty six to thirty

1592
01:24:41.239 --> 01:24:44.119
<v Speaker 5>two is the one where it's basically all of them, Like.

1593
01:24:44.319 --> 01:24:46.439
<v Speaker 7>Oh, old, what wasn't Kurt thirty three?

1594
01:24:47.119 --> 01:24:49.039
<v Speaker 6>Who Kurt Kobe Oven?

1595
01:24:49.239 --> 01:24:50.880
<v Speaker 7>He was twenty m club? Oh my god?

1596
01:24:51.239 --> 01:24:51.640
<v Speaker 2>See?

1597
01:24:52.319 --> 01:24:54.000
<v Speaker 7>And uh, what's her name?

1598
01:24:54.079 --> 01:24:55.600
<v Speaker 6>Amy Winehouse?

1599
01:24:57.239 --> 01:25:00.680
<v Speaker 5>Yeah, Brandon Jones kind of kicked it off. They do

1600
01:25:00.840 --> 01:25:02.960
<v Speaker 5>say that what's the guy's name?

1601
01:25:03.079 --> 01:25:03.199
<v Speaker 9>Oh?

1602
01:25:03.239 --> 01:25:05.439
<v Speaker 5>I used to love him, did the he had the

1603
01:25:05.479 --> 01:25:06.560
<v Speaker 5>Crossroads legend.

1604
01:25:06.880 --> 01:25:08.000
<v Speaker 6>He was the blues guitarist.

1605
01:25:08.279 --> 01:25:11.279
<v Speaker 9>Oh, Robert Johnson, Yeah, Robert Johnsonson.

1606
01:25:11.479 --> 01:25:12.319
<v Speaker 6>It was twenty seven?

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01:25:12.640 --> 01:25:15.039
<v Speaker 7>Wasn't he the O G twenty seven club? Though? That's

1608
01:25:15.039 --> 01:25:16.560
<v Speaker 7>why they put it in O Brother, We're Art.

1609
01:25:16.960 --> 01:25:18.399
<v Speaker 8>I sold my soul to the Devil?

1610
01:25:18.520 --> 01:25:20.119
<v Speaker 9>Yeah, like the first one.

1611
01:25:20.239 --> 01:25:21.600
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, mm hmmm.

1612
01:25:21.880 --> 01:25:23.880
<v Speaker 7>He taught me how to play this guitar reel.

1613
01:25:24.159 --> 01:25:26.039
<v Speaker 5>I read a book a while back that kind of

1614
01:25:26.079 --> 01:25:29.439
<v Speaker 5>tied some old classical little European musicians into it too.

1615
01:25:29.479 --> 01:25:31.159
<v Speaker 6>There's a number.

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01:25:32.359 --> 01:25:36.560
<v Speaker 8>Really what I mean, I guess do you think it's real?

1617
01:25:36.600 --> 01:25:36.920
<v Speaker 2>Though?

1618
01:25:37.600 --> 01:25:38.720
<v Speaker 6>It's the real as we want it to be.

1619
01:25:38.880 --> 01:25:40.479
<v Speaker 7>How how old was Selena?

1620
01:25:41.880 --> 01:25:42.479
<v Speaker 9>She was young?

1621
01:25:42.680 --> 01:25:43.960
<v Speaker 8>Twenty two? I think I.

1622
01:25:43.880 --> 01:25:46.600
<v Speaker 9>Think it's like Amy Winehouse is a part of it.

1623
01:25:47.239 --> 01:25:52.039
<v Speaker 7>Midsomar all the elders die at seventy two. That's interesting

1624
01:25:53.399 --> 01:25:55.199
<v Speaker 7>over there, concocted some ship.

1625
01:25:56.079 --> 01:25:57.479
<v Speaker 1>I was sorry. I was like, I found that. I

1626
01:25:57.479 --> 01:25:59.720
<v Speaker 1>found the deathly Oh cool?

1627
01:25:59.800 --> 01:26:02.159
<v Speaker 7>Yeah, yeah, So if you look on there, Nick, I

1628
01:26:02.159 --> 01:26:04.119
<v Speaker 7>don't know if you can share screen or not, but

1629
01:26:04.880 --> 01:26:07.560
<v Speaker 7>there are so many deaths that get ruled a suicide

1630
01:26:07.560 --> 01:26:10.560
<v Speaker 7>out of the canyon, and a lot of them have

1631
01:26:10.680 --> 01:26:17.600
<v Speaker 7>like real weird like circumstances around the suicide, Like do

1632
01:26:17.680 --> 01:26:20.199
<v Speaker 7>you and did you listen to that episode I did

1633
01:26:20.239 --> 01:26:21.279
<v Speaker 7>with William Ramsey?

1634
01:26:21.880 --> 01:26:23.039
<v Speaker 8>Do you know what I'm talking about?

1635
01:26:23.079 --> 01:26:23.279
<v Speaker 11>Right?

1636
01:26:23.359 --> 01:26:25.560
<v Speaker 8>Like it's like, oh, it was ruled the suicide, but.

1637
01:26:26.359 --> 01:26:26.840
<v Speaker 6>Well yeah the.

1638
01:26:30.079 --> 01:26:33.199
<v Speaker 5>Brothers band, one of the guys gotten a wipeout in

1639
01:26:33.239 --> 01:26:35.520
<v Speaker 5>his motorcycle at an intersection and then it was like

1640
01:26:35.560 --> 01:26:36.279
<v Speaker 5>almost a year.

1641
01:26:36.600 --> 01:26:39.279
<v Speaker 6>I think it was almost a year later they the

1642
01:26:39.359 --> 01:26:41.119
<v Speaker 6>other guy did it too, and they said his.

1643
01:26:41.159 --> 01:26:44.079
<v Speaker 7>Was a suicide, right, see what I mean like that?

1644
01:26:44.239 --> 01:26:46.079
<v Speaker 5>But he ran it out purpose because he was so

1645
01:26:46.159 --> 01:26:47.760
<v Speaker 5>depressed about his bandmate dying.

1646
01:26:48.199 --> 01:26:50.119
<v Speaker 7>You know what I think, if they're gonna rule, some

1647
01:26:50.159 --> 01:26:53.119
<v Speaker 7>of these suicides would have been an interesting one With

1648
01:26:53.199 --> 01:26:56.319
<v Speaker 7>Mama Cassa. She killed herself on a handsand which just

1649
01:26:56.439 --> 01:26:59.640
<v Speaker 7>to like humiliate her because they always made fun of

1650
01:26:59.680 --> 01:27:00.560
<v Speaker 7>how fast she was.

1651
01:27:01.159 --> 01:27:04.359
<v Speaker 10>Oh she lost all they then I wonder, you know

1652
01:27:04.359 --> 01:27:08.039
<v Speaker 10>how like they had a scribbled pig on Sharontats.

1653
01:27:08.600 --> 01:27:12.920
<v Speaker 12>I think the whole ham pork old.

1654
01:27:13.039 --> 01:27:15.319
<v Speaker 6>Ship, especially because she was supposed to be there that night.

1655
01:27:15.680 --> 01:27:19.279
<v Speaker 12>Oh my god, you think that's what I thought?

1656
01:27:19.640 --> 01:27:21.600
<v Speaker 7>Oh that is so crazy.

1657
01:27:22.560 --> 01:27:27.159
<v Speaker 6>You left out Piggy. We'll get you at the ham sandwich.

1658
01:27:28.239 --> 01:27:34.000
<v Speaker 9>Well, there's there's anous was black and honey baked. For sure.

1659
01:27:35.039 --> 01:27:38.640
<v Speaker 9>There's speculation that it doesn't say pig, that it says pick,

1660
01:27:39.479 --> 01:27:41.680
<v Speaker 9>as in Pick Dawson, who is supposed to be one

1661
01:27:41.720 --> 01:27:42.640
<v Speaker 9>of the drug dealers.

1662
01:27:43.399 --> 01:27:43.640
<v Speaker 3>Mmm.

1663
01:27:44.359 --> 01:27:47.680
<v Speaker 7>I like the pig better because it makes Mama Cassa's

1664
01:27:47.760 --> 01:27:52.119
<v Speaker 7>ham sandwich makes more sense. But I also think that

1665
01:27:52.199 --> 01:27:56.039
<v Speaker 7>they just put a sacrificial pig. All right, Dresa, she's

1666
01:27:56.079 --> 01:28:00.479
<v Speaker 7>on one Where the fuck are you? By the way,

1667
01:28:01.439 --> 01:28:04.039
<v Speaker 7>she's in the commons section, but she can't ring up.

1668
01:28:04.520 --> 01:28:04.800
<v Speaker 3>I know.

1669
01:28:06.920 --> 01:28:10.680
<v Speaker 7>But there was a story about Mama Cass where it

1670
01:28:10.840 --> 01:28:13.920
<v Speaker 7>was like they met her because she was like working

1671
01:28:13.960 --> 01:28:18.159
<v Speaker 7>at a bar or something, and like you know, the

1672
01:28:18.159 --> 01:28:20.079
<v Speaker 7>story I always tells, she got like bonked on the

1673
01:28:20.079 --> 01:28:21.880
<v Speaker 7>head by a pipe and then all of a sudden

1674
01:28:21.880 --> 01:28:25.560
<v Speaker 7>she could just start singing real good and they but

1675
01:28:25.720 --> 01:28:28.399
<v Speaker 7>the real story is they grew up with her on

1676
01:28:28.720 --> 01:28:29.720
<v Speaker 7>a military base.

1677
01:28:29.800 --> 01:28:31.880
<v Speaker 8>They were friends with her from childhood.

1678
01:28:31.960 --> 01:28:35.000
<v Speaker 6>Nick Morrison was in her kindergarten class.

1679
01:28:35.119 --> 01:28:39.880
<v Speaker 7>So the whole pipe and getting bonked and but it's

1680
01:28:39.960 --> 01:28:43.720
<v Speaker 7>like I said that, it's it's not like they're talentless.

1681
01:28:43.079 --> 01:28:45.840
<v Speaker 6>Like they know, they wouldn't pick talentless people.

1682
01:28:45.880 --> 01:28:48.640
<v Speaker 9>That Bob Dylan got in like a motorcycle or a

1683
01:28:48.680 --> 01:28:51.880
<v Speaker 9>car accident and he claimed that his voice got was

1684
01:28:51.960 --> 01:28:54.199
<v Speaker 9>better after the car accident or well they.

1685
01:28:54.119 --> 01:28:54.960
<v Speaker 6>Could only improve.

1686
01:28:55.159 --> 01:28:57.720
<v Speaker 8>Oh god, I was going to say, was that the improvement?

1687
01:28:57.880 --> 01:29:00.920
<v Speaker 6>And I'm a Dylan fan. I think the guy can

1688
01:29:00.960 --> 01:29:01.760
<v Speaker 6>sing when he wants to.

1689
01:29:02.279 --> 01:29:05.439
<v Speaker 7>Did you hear him in that Michael Jackson song? We

1690
01:29:05.560 --> 01:29:06.479
<v Speaker 7>are the world.

1691
01:29:09.199 --> 01:29:10.279
<v Speaker 9>I don't know.

1692
01:29:10.399 --> 01:29:12.880
<v Speaker 8>I don't think he's that. I think he can write

1693
01:29:13.119 --> 01:29:15.359
<v Speaker 8>very well, but listen.

1694
01:29:15.119 --> 01:29:16.560
<v Speaker 6>To his country stuff. He can sing.

1695
01:29:17.520 --> 01:29:19.319
<v Speaker 8>Was it before or after the accident?

1696
01:29:19.560 --> 01:29:20.520
<v Speaker 6>I didn't even know about that.

1697
01:29:23.479 --> 01:29:24.520
<v Speaker 7>Was he Laurel Canyon.

1698
01:29:25.199 --> 01:29:27.399
<v Speaker 9>I mean, my grandpa always used to make fun of

1699
01:29:27.439 --> 01:29:31.000
<v Speaker 9>him because he thought he couldn't sing ever, and used

1700
01:29:31.000 --> 01:29:33.680
<v Speaker 9>to laugh at he used to claim that after the

1701
01:29:33.760 --> 01:29:36.279
<v Speaker 9>accident that he could sing better, And my grandpa would

1702
01:29:36.279 --> 01:29:39.880
<v Speaker 9>always make fun of Bob Dylan being able to sing

1703
01:29:39.960 --> 01:29:40.920
<v Speaker 9>after the accident.

1704
01:29:44.239 --> 01:29:47.359
<v Speaker 7>I mean, I guess, I guess he can technically sing,

1705
01:29:47.600 --> 01:29:50.279
<v Speaker 7>but I mean it's it's not great.

1706
01:29:50.399 --> 01:29:51.960
<v Speaker 8>I'll say that it's not great.

1707
01:29:52.920 --> 01:29:56.439
<v Speaker 7>There was another Laurel Canyon scene though, going around on

1708
01:29:56.520 --> 01:29:59.880
<v Speaker 7>the around the same time, though in Memphis and Nashville.

1709
01:30:00.079 --> 01:30:02.119
<v Speaker 8>It wasn't there in the sixties.

1710
01:30:02.479 --> 01:30:04.720
<v Speaker 6>I've never looked into it. I know Sean mccantucks.

1711
01:30:05.039 --> 01:30:07.560
<v Speaker 7>Yeah, Sean and I talked about it a little bit.

1712
01:30:07.560 --> 01:30:09.439
<v Speaker 7>But that's where you get like a lot of like

1713
01:30:09.520 --> 01:30:13.399
<v Speaker 7>the big country stars, and it was really like very

1714
01:30:13.479 --> 01:30:16.800
<v Speaker 7>Laurel danionesque, how they all kind of came out together,

1715
01:30:17.359 --> 01:30:23.039
<v Speaker 7>and I think the birds actually tried to play at

1716
01:30:23.720 --> 01:30:26.600
<v Speaker 7>somewhere in Nashville, and they got like boot off the stage,

1717
01:30:26.840 --> 01:30:28.800
<v Speaker 7>and there was like this whole thing where it was

1718
01:30:28.840 --> 01:30:33.399
<v Speaker 7>trying to turn the hippie culture against the country culture

1719
01:30:33.600 --> 01:30:37.520
<v Speaker 7>and like create division because you know, at that time

1720
01:30:37.880 --> 01:30:40.640
<v Speaker 7>they were calling them long hairs and shit like that,

1721
01:30:40.720 --> 01:30:44.560
<v Speaker 7>and the country scene was like straight laced and clean cut,

1722
01:30:44.600 --> 01:30:47.560
<v Speaker 7>and it was like hippies are trying to infiltrate, and

1723
01:30:47.600 --> 01:30:51.720
<v Speaker 7>like the whole country scene versus the hip scene was

1724
01:30:51.760 --> 01:30:52.920
<v Speaker 7>like divide and conquered.

1725
01:30:54.039 --> 01:30:58.479
<v Speaker 9>And Leonard Skinner remember the end of Easy Rider. Yeah,

1726
01:30:58.840 --> 01:31:02.920
<v Speaker 9>they're riding through the set out and they lucases look

1727
01:31:02.960 --> 01:31:04.399
<v Speaker 9>aike picks him off with the shot.

1728
01:31:06.800 --> 01:31:09.800
<v Speaker 7>A bunch of hippies, right, So, I mean, I think

1729
01:31:09.840 --> 01:31:13.159
<v Speaker 7>that it was kind of like I think Nick asked earlier,

1730
01:31:13.199 --> 01:31:15.920
<v Speaker 7>what do you think that they were trying to accomplish

1731
01:31:15.960 --> 01:31:18.239
<v Speaker 7>with this? And I think they had so many games

1732
01:31:18.319 --> 01:31:22.079
<v Speaker 7>running on people at the same time, like country music scene,

1733
01:31:22.199 --> 01:31:26.800
<v Speaker 7>hippie culture, and like the serial killers started popping up

1734
01:31:26.840 --> 01:31:28.680
<v Speaker 7>out of nowhere. It was just such a time to

1735
01:31:28.720 --> 01:31:32.199
<v Speaker 7>be alive. I'm surprised anybody fucking made it out a.

1736
01:31:32.119 --> 01:31:35.359
<v Speaker 9>Little bit before the hippie scene was the beat. Nick scene.

1737
01:31:35.560 --> 01:31:40.600
<v Speaker 5>Yeah, she mentioned Los Alamos earlier. Who was it you said?

1738
01:31:40.680 --> 01:31:42.520
<v Speaker 5>One of the beat Nicks came out of there?

1739
01:31:43.279 --> 01:31:44.079
<v Speaker 6>Was it Burrows?

1740
01:31:45.079 --> 01:31:46.159
<v Speaker 12>It was what Acond?

1741
01:31:46.319 --> 01:31:47.600
<v Speaker 6>Maybe william S Burrow's.

1742
01:31:48.159 --> 01:31:50.880
<v Speaker 9>Burrows was also big into occultism.

1743
01:31:51.319 --> 01:31:53.600
<v Speaker 6>Yeah, you have too.

1744
01:31:54.680 --> 01:31:54.880
<v Speaker 1>Yeah.

1745
01:31:54.920 --> 01:31:58.840
<v Speaker 9>Burroughs was famous for chaos, magic and stuff, and he

1746
01:31:59.560 --> 01:32:04.399
<v Speaker 9>had a method of writing where he and David Bowie

1747
01:32:04.479 --> 01:32:08.880
<v Speaker 9>used this to actually create his lyrics, where you basically

1748
01:32:08.920 --> 01:32:13.560
<v Speaker 9>cut random words out and you just place him and

1749
01:32:14.199 --> 01:32:18.399
<v Speaker 9>the chaos basically is what creates the lyrics. And there's

1750
01:32:18.439 --> 01:32:22.359
<v Speaker 9>a whole video of David Bowie demonstrating how he does

1751
01:32:22.359 --> 01:32:24.079
<v Speaker 9>it and how you do it, and how he got

1752
01:32:24.119 --> 01:32:25.520
<v Speaker 9>it from Williams Burrows.

1753
01:32:26.000 --> 01:32:29.119
<v Speaker 2>What me?

1754
01:32:29.880 --> 01:32:31.560
<v Speaker 9>No, no, no, no, I'll get you the name of

1755
01:32:31.600 --> 01:32:33.199
<v Speaker 9>it here. I can't remember the name of it.

1756
01:32:33.319 --> 01:32:34.600
<v Speaker 1>He sent it to me and I watched that.

1757
01:32:34.680 --> 01:32:37.680
<v Speaker 10>Actually they had and it was I think it was

1758
01:32:37.720 --> 01:32:41.600
<v Speaker 10>an all boys school initially, if not in its entirety,

1759
01:32:41.680 --> 01:32:44.079
<v Speaker 10>but they had something and it was like ages twelve

1760
01:32:44.119 --> 01:32:47.159
<v Speaker 10>to eighteen or something, but they had something kind of

1761
01:32:47.239 --> 01:32:50.680
<v Speaker 10>like akin to the Boy Scouts, and that when you

1762
01:32:50.800 --> 01:32:54.119
<v Speaker 10>graduated from high school you would basically obtain first rank

1763
01:32:54.239 --> 01:32:57.520
<v Speaker 10>in the Boy Scouts or it was a requirement to

1764
01:32:57.720 --> 01:33:02.159
<v Speaker 10>graduate to have in the Boy Scouts at this school

1765
01:33:02.279 --> 01:33:05.560
<v Speaker 10>in Los Alamos. But yeah, it was Roy Chapman, who

1766
01:33:05.760 --> 01:33:11.000
<v Speaker 10>basically was CEO of American Motor Corporation, Shirling Colegate, which

1767
01:33:11.159 --> 01:33:15.479
<v Speaker 10>you know we know that is William S. Burrows Bill Veeck,

1768
01:33:15.840 --> 01:33:18.800
<v Speaker 10>which was the owner of the Chicago White Sox. He

1769
01:33:18.960 --> 01:33:22.920
<v Speaker 10>also had Gorbadal, who was grandson of Senator Thomas Gore

1770
01:33:25.279 --> 01:33:26.359
<v Speaker 10>Arthur roberts Wood.

1771
01:33:28.760 --> 01:33:31.359
<v Speaker 8>For saying like Colgate as in.

1772
01:33:33.600 --> 01:33:36.840
<v Speaker 12>Toothpaste, toothpaste, like.

1773
01:33:37.399 --> 01:33:40.119
<v Speaker 9>Folder like Abigail Folger.

1774
01:33:41.880 --> 01:33:45.880
<v Speaker 7>So the toothpaste guy.

1775
01:33:46.039 --> 01:33:51.000
<v Speaker 10>He was one of the family members, not the Colgate

1776
01:33:51.039 --> 01:33:53.319
<v Speaker 10>But hey.

1777
01:33:52.640 --> 01:33:55.000
<v Speaker 7>I swear to god, there's an episode of Ghost Adventures

1778
01:33:55.000 --> 01:33:55.520
<v Speaker 7>about him.

1779
01:33:56.399 --> 01:33:56.920
<v Speaker 1>There we go.

1780
01:33:58.479 --> 01:34:00.439
<v Speaker 8>What is so?

1781
01:34:00.479 --> 01:34:02.880
<v Speaker 10>It came out I think when they were doing an

1782
01:34:02.880 --> 01:34:10.039
<v Speaker 10>expose on what was the name of Susan Jiski from

1783
01:34:10.079 --> 01:34:11.359
<v Speaker 10>YouTube or something.

1784
01:34:11.640 --> 01:34:13.800
<v Speaker 12>This YouTube video is going to get cut for sure.

1785
01:34:16.119 --> 01:34:19.359
<v Speaker 10>Her Anne Wojiske, who is the owner or the developer

1786
01:34:19.399 --> 01:34:23.520
<v Speaker 10>of twenty three and a meters, was the ex wife

1787
01:34:23.720 --> 01:34:28.039
<v Speaker 10>of Sergey Brinn, who was the guy who invented a Google. Okay, well,

1788
01:34:28.039 --> 01:34:31.560
<v Speaker 10>they were talking about Anne and Susan's mom or grandmother,

1789
01:34:31.720 --> 01:34:33.800
<v Speaker 10>that she was kind of like the mom to all

1790
01:34:33.920 --> 01:34:36.840
<v Speaker 10>of these people in big tech, and that you could

1791
01:34:36.920 --> 01:34:42.359
<v Speaker 10>basically link back all the founders of big tech type things,

1792
01:34:42.399 --> 01:34:44.960
<v Speaker 10>whether you know and name it, they had a connection

1793
01:34:45.119 --> 01:34:48.119
<v Speaker 10>to their mom, and that all of them, somehow or

1794
01:34:48.159 --> 01:34:51.720
<v Speaker 10>another exposed their children to some sort of MK ultra

1795
01:34:51.960 --> 01:34:56.319
<v Speaker 10>program because they themselves, as mothers or whatever were exposed

1796
01:34:56.319 --> 01:34:59.479
<v Speaker 10>as well. And so it got me thinking if this

1797
01:34:59.520 --> 01:35:03.520
<v Speaker 10>happened with big tech, surely this happened with the musicians

1798
01:35:03.560 --> 01:35:08.960
<v Speaker 10>of celebrities or the movie celebrities, or even with the military.

1799
01:35:09.239 --> 01:35:12.760
<v Speaker 10>And I think this is just a continuation of this

1800
01:35:12.800 --> 01:35:15.279
<v Speaker 10>is what's happening, this is what's in our family. So

1801
01:35:15.319 --> 01:35:17.359
<v Speaker 10>I don't think it's far fetched at all to think

1802
01:35:17.439 --> 01:35:21.520
<v Speaker 10>that these children were exposed or brought up within that

1803
01:35:21.600 --> 01:35:22.439
<v Speaker 10>same framework.

1804
01:35:23.239 --> 01:35:25.520
<v Speaker 7>Yeah, I mean I find it over and over again,

1805
01:35:25.640 --> 01:35:29.159
<v Speaker 7>even the episode we just did Lisa about Adolfo, Like,

1806
01:35:29.600 --> 01:35:33.039
<v Speaker 7>is it's generational? For sure? I mean that will come

1807
01:35:33.039 --> 01:35:35.600
<v Speaker 7>out of the fucking woodwork, like they'd make you believe,

1808
01:35:35.720 --> 01:35:38.800
<v Speaker 7>and you know they're just you know, crazy people that

1809
01:35:38.840 --> 01:35:39.680
<v Speaker 7>came out of nowhere.

1810
01:35:40.039 --> 01:35:41.680
<v Speaker 8>But I mean that so we.

1811
01:35:41.680 --> 01:35:46.000
<v Speaker 7>Got the Toothpaste Guy and the Guy and somehow David

1812
01:35:46.039 --> 01:35:51.399
<v Speaker 7>Bowe learned after somebody Burroughs es is cool.

1813
01:35:51.640 --> 01:35:56.159
<v Speaker 9>And the technique that Williams burrows it's called the cut

1814
01:35:56.279 --> 01:36:01.840
<v Speaker 9>up technique and it's like a chaos magic technique and

1815
01:36:02.000 --> 01:36:06.239
<v Speaker 9>David Bowie almost exclusively used it in the seventies for

1816
01:36:06.319 --> 01:36:07.000
<v Speaker 9>his lyrics.

1817
01:36:07.319 --> 01:36:10.279
<v Speaker 7>So that what's that one song that he is just

1818
01:36:10.359 --> 01:36:12.600
<v Speaker 7>like completely red while all of his songs are.

1819
01:36:12.640 --> 01:36:18.520
<v Speaker 9>But so he would like take his diary or like

1820
01:36:18.640 --> 01:36:22.760
<v Speaker 9>his like future thoughts and then he would just randomly

1821
01:36:22.760 --> 01:36:26.640
<v Speaker 9>cut the words out from that and then he said

1822
01:36:26.680 --> 01:36:29.119
<v Speaker 9>that like it would like tell his future and all

1823
01:36:29.199 --> 01:36:30.720
<v Speaker 9>kinds of stuff is.

1824
01:36:30.680 --> 01:36:35.000
<v Speaker 7>There life on Mars. I never did understand that, motherfucker.

1825
01:36:35.800 --> 01:36:38.880
<v Speaker 7>But it's still like, what were you saying about David

1826
01:36:38.920 --> 01:36:41.399
<v Speaker 7>Bowie the other day, Like he didn't believe in whatever,

1827
01:36:42.439 --> 01:36:45.199
<v Speaker 7>Like he sold an image to people that he did.

1828
01:36:45.239 --> 01:36:47.920
<v Speaker 5>Oh yeah, I mean he kind of had some stuff

1829
01:36:47.960 --> 01:36:49.720
<v Speaker 5>he was saying at the end of his life where

1830
01:36:50.439 --> 01:36:53.600
<v Speaker 5>he's so it reminds me of Kurt Cobain. He was

1831
01:36:53.640 --> 01:36:57.279
<v Speaker 5>so willing to make it and get famous that he

1832
01:36:57.399 --> 01:36:59.039
<v Speaker 5>embraced all of the dark shit.

1833
01:36:59.760 --> 01:37:02.560
<v Speaker 6>And I think he kind of had a you know,

1834
01:37:02.840 --> 01:37:04.479
<v Speaker 6>I regret later in.

1835
01:37:04.439 --> 01:37:07.479
<v Speaker 5>Life because he said some things and I can't think

1836
01:37:07.520 --> 01:37:09.479
<v Speaker 5>of exactly what it was, just that he was kind of.

1837
01:37:09.439 --> 01:37:10.239
<v Speaker 6>Sorry that he did it.

1838
01:37:10.279 --> 01:37:15.119
<v Speaker 5>But yeah, Bowie and Burrows, some of the stuff you're

1839
01:37:15.159 --> 01:37:17.560
<v Speaker 5>just saying. It reminds me of Rick Rubin, like some

1840
01:37:17.600 --> 01:37:20.720
<v Speaker 5>of his techniques that he'll use in recording studios.

1841
01:37:21.760 --> 01:37:26.000
<v Speaker 6>He's I mean, if you can name like somebody.

1842
01:37:25.680 --> 01:37:28.319
<v Speaker 5>Famous out of the last forty years, he probably had

1843
01:37:28.359 --> 01:37:28.880
<v Speaker 5>a hand in it.

1844
01:37:29.159 --> 01:37:31.119
<v Speaker 7>He writes songs.

1845
01:37:30.920 --> 01:37:35.119
<v Speaker 10>He's as Stanford, but he now has a podcast, right,

1846
01:37:35.199 --> 01:37:37.600
<v Speaker 10>what is it Tetragramaton or something.

1847
01:37:37.319 --> 01:37:45.520
<v Speaker 9>Like, yeah, yeah, I have william S. Burrows would record

1848
01:37:45.800 --> 01:37:49.800
<v Speaker 9>messages and words, right, he would just record gibberish and

1849
01:37:49.880 --> 01:37:53.119
<v Speaker 9>random words and everything, and then he would cut the

1850
01:37:53.119 --> 01:37:56.920
<v Speaker 9>field and then put it together and then the random

1851
01:37:57.039 --> 01:38:03.720
<v Speaker 9>words would mean something. That's where it comes from. So

1852
01:38:04.399 --> 01:38:06.720
<v Speaker 9>that's where Rick Ruben is getting that. He's like he

1853
01:38:06.760 --> 01:38:11.439
<v Speaker 9>would he cuts, like he'll just record random stuff and

1854
01:38:11.479 --> 01:38:14.359
<v Speaker 9>then they'll they'll cut parts of that out and then

1855
01:38:14.439 --> 01:38:17.000
<v Speaker 9>place it and make a whole song out of randomness.

1856
01:38:17.039 --> 01:38:21.279
<v Speaker 8>Basically, No, I mean it makes sense to me.

1857
01:38:21.560 --> 01:38:24.800
<v Speaker 7>Like I said before, is their life on Mars I

1858
01:38:24.920 --> 01:38:29.079
<v Speaker 7>fucking love that song, but it makes zero sense, you

1859
01:38:29.119 --> 01:38:30.119
<v Speaker 7>know what I'm talking about.

1860
01:38:31.560 --> 01:38:35.439
<v Speaker 9>I mean, watch the video on it's on YouTube, David

1861
01:38:35.479 --> 01:38:38.159
<v Speaker 9>Bowie talking about cut up technique. It's literally like a

1862
01:38:38.279 --> 01:38:42.000
<v Speaker 9>minute a minute long, and you can see there's like

1863
01:38:42.119 --> 01:38:44.680
<v Speaker 9>lines of coke on the table and everything while he's

1864
01:38:44.680 --> 01:38:45.560
<v Speaker 9>talking about it.

1865
01:38:46.439 --> 01:38:49.439
<v Speaker 7>Well, what do you think about them? Same stuff about

1866
01:38:49.479 --> 01:38:53.159
<v Speaker 7>like and this could be all made up, but they

1867
01:38:53.199 --> 01:38:56.640
<v Speaker 7>take like the Master and they do these rituals on

1868
01:38:56.800 --> 01:38:59.800
<v Speaker 7>it and they mass produce it. So anytime you listen

1869
01:38:59.840 --> 01:39:04.439
<v Speaker 7>to it, you're getting demonized. And do you guys think

1870
01:39:04.479 --> 01:39:07.119
<v Speaker 7>that there's something to that or like, what what are

1871
01:39:07.199 --> 01:39:08.079
<v Speaker 7>your thoughts?

1872
01:39:08.720 --> 01:39:09.960
<v Speaker 1>I think?

1873
01:39:10.039 --> 01:39:13.159
<v Speaker 4>So I have heard that supposedly sometimes these records even

1874
01:39:13.199 --> 01:39:16.239
<v Speaker 4>get pressed depending on estrological times.

1875
01:39:17.000 --> 01:39:19.600
<v Speaker 7>Right, okay, so you do think like because I can't

1876
01:39:19.640 --> 01:39:21.560
<v Speaker 7>remember who it was, but it was like a guy

1877
01:39:21.600 --> 01:39:24.640
<v Speaker 7>who said they would take like the Master and they

1878
01:39:24.680 --> 01:39:26.840
<v Speaker 7>would take it into like a secret room and they

1879
01:39:26.840 --> 01:39:30.680
<v Speaker 7>would have like a literal ritual and they would.

1880
01:39:31.439 --> 01:39:34.560
<v Speaker 8>Infuse it with I don't know, I mean, you heard.

1881
01:39:34.279 --> 01:39:35.880
<v Speaker 6>This right, Yeah?

1882
01:39:39.039 --> 01:39:41.039
<v Speaker 9>I had the video said I'll get you the.

1883
01:39:41.079 --> 01:39:42.560
<v Speaker 6>Name of the guy.

1884
01:39:42.720 --> 01:39:44.720
<v Speaker 7>Oh you know what I'm talking about. Specifically.

1885
01:39:44.960 --> 01:39:48.520
<v Speaker 4>Okay, one thing that I I all right, I'll put

1886
01:39:48.560 --> 01:39:50.760
<v Speaker 4>it this way. I would not doubt that happens with

1887
01:39:50.880 --> 01:39:54.000
<v Speaker 4>music because of just the simple fact the Lon Milo

1888
01:39:54.079 --> 01:39:55.960
<v Speaker 4>Duquette comes out and emits I'm pretty sure in his

1889
01:39:56.000 --> 01:39:58.239
<v Speaker 4>book are on a podcast that he did that with

1890
01:39:58.279 --> 01:40:00.520
<v Speaker 4>his tarot deck sell.

1891
01:40:00.399 --> 01:40:04.520
<v Speaker 1>More Teo's doing it. Why wouldn't people be doing it

1892
01:40:04.520 --> 01:40:05.600
<v Speaker 1>with other products?

1893
01:40:06.800 --> 01:40:07.000
<v Speaker 2>Right?

1894
01:40:07.439 --> 01:40:09.560
<v Speaker 7>Or like if you I think it's like if you

1895
01:40:09.640 --> 01:40:14.479
<v Speaker 7>play them backwards or something, there's like the hidden messages.

1896
01:40:14.520 --> 01:40:17.600
<v Speaker 6>Oh yeah, that's the whole other thing. Like I know

1897
01:40:17.640 --> 01:40:19.399
<v Speaker 6>the Beatles were experimenting with that.

1898
01:40:20.720 --> 01:40:25.239
<v Speaker 5>Apparently there's some indication that they admit that Paul died.

1899
01:40:26.520 --> 01:40:28.359
<v Speaker 7>Thank God, they need to admit it.

1900
01:40:29.279 --> 01:40:29.640
<v Speaker 1>I don't know.

1901
01:40:29.680 --> 01:40:32.680
<v Speaker 5>There's the whole Stairway to Heaven thing where if you

1902
01:40:32.760 --> 01:40:37.439
<v Speaker 5>play spring Clean for the may Queen backwards, it's something

1903
01:40:37.479 --> 01:40:38.600
<v Speaker 5>about my sweet Satan.

1904
01:40:39.039 --> 01:40:40.279
<v Speaker 8>Oh, for God's sake.

1905
01:40:40.359 --> 01:40:41.960
<v Speaker 6>I think a lot of that stuff you could just

1906
01:40:42.079 --> 01:40:44.960
<v Speaker 6>kind of happen upon. But I mean they were doing.

1907
01:40:44.720 --> 01:40:48.880
<v Speaker 9>It well, like Danzick on the on the first album,

1908
01:40:48.960 --> 01:40:53.239
<v Speaker 9>If like the song Possessed, if you play it backwards,

1909
01:40:53.279 --> 01:40:57.319
<v Speaker 9>it's there's a Latin exorcism prayer if you play the

1910
01:40:57.399 --> 01:41:02.359
<v Speaker 9>record backwards, like legit. Yeah, the song possessed, If you

1911
01:41:02.439 --> 01:41:07.960
<v Speaker 9>play it backwards, it's legitimately a Latin exorcism prayer.

1912
01:41:08.800 --> 01:41:10.720
<v Speaker 8>That's crazy, but.

1913
01:41:10.600 --> 01:41:12.920
<v Speaker 6>It actually says words playing.

1914
01:41:12.720 --> 01:41:15.520
<v Speaker 9>It's actually the actual exorcism prayer.

1915
01:41:15.880 --> 01:41:16.800
<v Speaker 6>Okay, does.

1916
01:41:18.239 --> 01:41:22.560
<v Speaker 9>Song is supposed to be like summoning a demon, and

1917
01:41:22.640 --> 01:41:27.760
<v Speaker 9>if you play it backwards, you're you're doing the exorcism prayer.

1918
01:41:27.920 --> 01:41:30.680
<v Speaker 7>Basically, remind me never to download that ship.

1919
01:41:31.359 --> 01:41:33.279
<v Speaker 5>We could go get the vinyl. I don't want it

1920
01:41:33.359 --> 01:41:35.479
<v Speaker 5>so that misfits or solo stuff.

1921
01:41:35.560 --> 01:41:38.319
<v Speaker 9>But it's the first album, the one with Mother and

1922
01:41:38.399 --> 01:41:39.279
<v Speaker 9>twist the scene.

1923
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<v Speaker 6>Okay, I think you might have that one, Oh my.

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<v Speaker 9>God, but that that's that song is very creepy if

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01:41:49.159 --> 01:41:50.800
<v Speaker 9>you play it backwards.

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<v Speaker 1>Sounds like it.

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<v Speaker 7>Somebody wrote in the comments that they also watch that.

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<v Speaker 7>I don't know if it was an interview or what

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<v Speaker 7>it was. It was a recording of that producer who

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<v Speaker 7>said they take the master and they put I guess

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01:42:08.159 --> 01:42:10.760
<v Speaker 7>they cast spells on it, is what they said in

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<v Speaker 7>the comments.

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<v Speaker 1>I think I put it up actually earlier.

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<v Speaker 7>Yeah, I heard it on Instagram, so it must be true, right,

1935
01:42:26.760 --> 01:42:30.079
<v Speaker 7>I hear all kinds of stuff on Instagram these days.

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<v Speaker 4>So do you think if this well one, I actually

1937
01:42:35.239 --> 01:42:37.840
<v Speaker 4>do agree with some of these people. I think like

1938
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<v Speaker 4>I wouldn't say act well kind of actors, yeah, or

1939
01:42:41.239 --> 01:42:43.079
<v Speaker 4>I think they're put out there.

1940
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<v Speaker 1>They might actually have.

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01:42:44.560 --> 01:42:48.000
<v Speaker 4>Somewhat talent and they you know, perform, But I think

1942
01:42:48.039 --> 01:42:51.840
<v Speaker 4>sometimes like their life story and how it ended, I

1943
01:42:52.000 --> 01:42:53.119
<v Speaker 4>think could be fabricated.

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01:42:54.279 --> 01:42:57.800
<v Speaker 7>Mean too, yeah, because it's like, would they be as

1945
01:42:57.840 --> 01:43:00.760
<v Speaker 7>famous as they are if they didn't die in like

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01:43:00.840 --> 01:43:03.960
<v Speaker 7>some tragic way like Jim Morrison, Kirk Cobain.

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<v Speaker 8>I mean, yeah, they might, they might still be famous.

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<v Speaker 8>Oh would you say, Mike.

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<v Speaker 11>Right?

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<v Speaker 7>It's like would they be who they are if they

1951
01:43:15.479 --> 01:43:17.760
<v Speaker 7>didn't It's like part of the deal that they have

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01:43:17.880 --> 01:43:19.880
<v Speaker 7>to die in this horrible way to like.

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<v Speaker 2>I don't know.

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<v Speaker 5>When we're talking to John Gusty, who she mentioned earlier,

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01:43:24.399 --> 01:43:27.279
<v Speaker 5>he's worked in like on the production end of music,

1956
01:43:28.039 --> 01:43:32.960
<v Speaker 5>and he says that he's witnessed straight up that the

1957
01:43:33.319 --> 01:43:37.319
<v Speaker 5>artist wants to step away and they're given some options

1958
01:43:37.319 --> 01:43:40.720
<v Speaker 5>like we can fake your death, you can be replaced

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01:43:40.720 --> 01:43:42.359
<v Speaker 5>by somebody who looks just like you.

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01:43:43.439 --> 01:43:46.359
<v Speaker 6>Or you know, you die and you don't get any

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01:43:46.399 --> 01:43:49.640
<v Speaker 6>of the royalties, but you have to take a different name. Yeah,

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01:43:49.680 --> 01:43:50.359
<v Speaker 6>And so I don't know.

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<v Speaker 5>I think like there's some interesting ones. I don't think

1964
01:43:52.960 --> 01:43:55.600
<v Speaker 5>Morgan Freeman was Jimmy Hendrix. But one that I like

1965
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<v Speaker 5>that within the last couple of years Morrison becoming Rush Limbaugh.

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<v Speaker 6>That one's kind of fun because if you I mean

1967
01:44:04.239 --> 01:44:06.359
<v Speaker 6>I I do think that Bill.

1968
01:44:06.279 --> 01:44:08.600
<v Speaker 5>Hicks is Alex Jones. And I laughed at people when

1969
01:44:08.640 --> 01:44:11.000
<v Speaker 5>I first heard that. It's one of those that you're like,

1970
01:44:11.039 --> 01:44:13.600
<v Speaker 5>fuck off because I love both of them. I did

1971
01:44:14.319 --> 01:44:18.079
<v Speaker 5>like right around the early two thousands and Bill Hicks

1972
01:44:18.119 --> 01:44:20.439
<v Speaker 5>man forever. But I do think that they do really

1973
01:44:20.520 --> 01:44:23.960
<v Speaker 5>do stuff like that, So yeah, who knows what really happens,

1974
01:44:24.520 --> 01:44:26.800
<v Speaker 5>and maybe some of them do get killed because they

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01:44:26.800 --> 01:44:27.399
<v Speaker 5>don't want to play.

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<v Speaker 7>Well, if you had to put a percentage on it,

1977
01:44:29.600 --> 01:44:31.720
<v Speaker 7>like how many of these people actually die, are you

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<v Speaker 7>going to say, like ten fifty percent die and fifty

1979
01:44:35.720 --> 01:44:40.279
<v Speaker 7>percent get repurposed. Sure, so you're saying, so you're telling

1980
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<v Speaker 7>me there's a chance that Janice is still alive.

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<v Speaker 6>Probably not.

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<v Speaker 7>Now, I love Janice, she lived rough.

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<v Speaker 10>Yes, I think that whole like deciding that you're gun

1984
01:44:53.239 --> 01:44:56.439
<v Speaker 10>and you have whatever I think it plays into the

1985
01:44:56.479 --> 01:45:04.000
<v Speaker 10>whole Plus Ultra hyper Space never Land persona.

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01:45:04.640 --> 01:45:07.920
<v Speaker 12>I think you you all have heard of that, right kinda.

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01:45:08.359 --> 01:45:12.079
<v Speaker 8>I mean not really not to the degree you probably.

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01:45:11.760 --> 01:45:16.119
<v Speaker 12>Do, you know, like that movie Finding Neverland.

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01:45:16.680 --> 01:45:23.359
<v Speaker 7>Yeah, yeah, and it was like leaving this dimension or

1990
01:45:23.399 --> 01:45:27.000
<v Speaker 7>this realm and going to another realm.

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01:45:27.000 --> 01:45:27.840
<v Speaker 12>And that's kind of.

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01:45:27.720 --> 01:45:30.960
<v Speaker 10>One of the I guess the founding things that there

1993
01:45:31.000 --> 01:45:35.079
<v Speaker 10>was a society called Plus Ultra that Nicola Tesla, Walt Disney,

1994
01:45:35.159 --> 01:45:36.640
<v Speaker 10>all these people belonged to.

1995
01:45:37.079 --> 01:45:38.680
<v Speaker 12>And they believe that once they were done.

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01:45:38.479 --> 01:45:42.560
<v Speaker 10>Here, they they merited enough to leave and go into

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01:45:42.840 --> 01:45:44.359
<v Speaker 10>another hyperspace.

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01:45:45.479 --> 01:45:47.680
<v Speaker 8>So you think they're they're actually.

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01:45:47.680 --> 01:45:50.960
<v Speaker 12>It's just a thought kind of like Atlas Shrugged almost.

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<v Speaker 7>Yeah, but you think like they're dead, or you think

2001
01:45:54.439 --> 01:45:58.399
<v Speaker 7>they're they're repurposed, or like what do you think?

2002
01:46:00.760 --> 01:46:01.079
<v Speaker 12>I think?

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01:46:01.199 --> 01:46:02.000
<v Speaker 2>I don't know.

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<v Speaker 12>I think it depends. It depends if they can make.

2005
01:46:04.920 --> 01:46:08.520
<v Speaker 10>Enough money off of them already just as is, they'll

2006
01:46:08.600 --> 01:46:11.079
<v Speaker 10>they'll kill them off, you know, because they don't need them,

2007
01:46:11.479 --> 01:46:15.560
<v Speaker 10>or if they are some like family blood tie, then

2008
01:46:15.600 --> 01:46:18.560
<v Speaker 10>they have an option to kind of get repurposed or

2009
01:46:18.640 --> 01:46:22.159
<v Speaker 10>reabsorbed into a different thing. I think it just depends

2010
01:46:23.319 --> 01:46:24.039
<v Speaker 10>money and blood.

2011
01:46:24.079 --> 01:46:28.279
<v Speaker 7>Always talk right, right, Because it's like we were saying earlier,

2012
01:46:28.399 --> 01:46:31.039
<v Speaker 7>like with like Crosby and some of these guys whose

2013
01:46:31.119 --> 01:46:33.680
<v Speaker 7>family trees go all the way back to the beginning

2014
01:46:33.680 --> 01:46:36.079
<v Speaker 7>of time. You know, if they were going to fake

2015
01:46:36.079 --> 01:46:38.720
<v Speaker 7>a suicide on him, they'd probably give him the option

2016
01:46:38.840 --> 01:46:41.800
<v Speaker 7>of like just becoming a different person or some shit.

2017
01:46:41.920 --> 01:46:43.199
<v Speaker 8>But Janis was just.

2018
01:46:43.239 --> 01:46:46.800
<v Speaker 7>A drugged out crackhead, and so she you know, she

2019
01:46:46.840 --> 01:46:48.199
<v Speaker 7>probably didn't get that luxuries.

2020
01:46:48.279 --> 01:46:49.840
<v Speaker 8>They probably just killed her ass.

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01:46:50.159 --> 01:46:53.079
<v Speaker 9>I got a question for you, then, Okay, so they

2022
01:46:53.159 --> 01:46:55.439
<v Speaker 9>just kill it. Yeah, So if they just kill them,

2023
01:46:55.479 --> 01:46:58.520
<v Speaker 9>all right, and then like give them a new identity

2024
01:46:58.640 --> 01:47:01.960
<v Speaker 9>or whatever, Right, why not just kill off Paul McCartney,

2025
01:47:02.680 --> 01:47:05.720
<v Speaker 9>replace him with a completely new member and make him

2026
01:47:05.840 --> 01:47:10.600
<v Speaker 9>like a complete huge legend instead of, you know, supposedly

2027
01:47:10.640 --> 01:47:13.840
<v Speaker 9>replacing him with a lookalike. And he died in a

2028
01:47:13.920 --> 01:47:17.000
<v Speaker 9>car accident everything, why cover up him? But then all

2029
01:47:17.000 --> 01:47:22.279
<v Speaker 9>of a sudden, like uh, James Joplin, before I.

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01:47:22.399 --> 01:47:24.279
<v Speaker 7>Answered the question, can I ask you if you.

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01:47:24.239 --> 01:47:25.439
<v Speaker 8>Think he was replaced?

2032
01:47:26.039 --> 01:47:27.239
<v Speaker 9>I think he was replaced.

2033
01:47:27.720 --> 01:47:29.159
<v Speaker 8>I think he was replaced too.

2034
01:47:29.279 --> 01:47:31.760
<v Speaker 7>And to answer your question, I have no fucking idea.

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01:47:31.880 --> 01:47:35.000
<v Speaker 5>Well, that one is because if I had to think

2036
01:47:35.039 --> 01:47:38.680
<v Speaker 5>about it, you would say, like the Beatles had there

2037
01:47:38.760 --> 01:47:41.720
<v Speaker 5>was so much stock in them at that point. And

2038
01:47:42.960 --> 01:47:45.960
<v Speaker 5>I mean, if they had this bizarre accident where it

2039
01:47:46.039 --> 01:47:48.479
<v Speaker 5>wasn't you know, it wasn't anything they planned and they

2040
01:47:48.520 --> 01:47:51.600
<v Speaker 5>wanted to keep that gravy train rolling. And if they

2041
01:47:51.640 --> 01:47:54.239
<v Speaker 5>really did replace him, I think they did. That's another

2042
01:47:54.279 --> 01:47:56.399
<v Speaker 5>one that I kind of scoffed at in the beginning. Now,

2043
01:47:56.479 --> 01:47:58.960
<v Speaker 5>I mean, shit, the guy's like for inch taller.

2044
01:47:58.720 --> 01:48:01.119
<v Speaker 7>He's taller, a way better musician.

2045
01:48:01.199 --> 01:48:03.720
<v Speaker 6>Well, that's the thing is they found somebody who actually

2046
01:48:04.720 --> 01:48:07.479
<v Speaker 6>was the best musician in the band all said and done.

2047
01:48:08.319 --> 01:48:10.199
<v Speaker 5>So, I mean, you listened to some of the Beatles'

2048
01:48:10.199 --> 01:48:14.119
<v Speaker 5>early stuff and Paul McCartney's base plans are okay, and

2049
01:48:14.800 --> 01:48:15.159
<v Speaker 5>she went.

2050
01:48:15.279 --> 01:48:16.359
<v Speaker 6>He went from being the.

2051
01:48:16.279 --> 01:48:19.840
<v Speaker 5>Smiley, bubbly one, you know him and Ringo up there,

2052
01:48:20.199 --> 01:48:21.479
<v Speaker 5>and he completely changed.

2053
01:48:21.520 --> 01:48:22.520
<v Speaker 6>He doesn't look the same.

2054
01:48:22.600 --> 01:48:26.800
<v Speaker 5>But yeah, I think that each situation would be unique.

2055
01:48:26.840 --> 01:48:29.319
<v Speaker 5>Like if they're the one who choose to do the

2056
01:48:29.800 --> 01:48:31.880
<v Speaker 5>replacing and killing, it seems like that one was just

2057
01:48:31.960 --> 01:48:33.119
<v Speaker 5>kind of out of their control.

2058
01:48:33.680 --> 01:48:37.920
<v Speaker 9>Well like for like Morrison, right, So for your argument,

2059
01:48:38.199 --> 01:48:42.439
<v Speaker 9>like nobody ever saw his body, right, nobody the band members,

2060
01:48:42.560 --> 01:48:45.840
<v Speaker 9>nobody ever technically saw his body, and some of the

2061
01:48:45.880 --> 01:48:49.840
<v Speaker 9>band members even found that kind of odd, like I can't.

2062
01:48:49.960 --> 01:48:53.239
<v Speaker 9>I think it was the keyboard player. I think he

2063
01:48:53.399 --> 01:48:57.760
<v Speaker 9>was like, well, how do I know he really died?

2064
01:48:57.880 --> 01:48:59.199
<v Speaker 9>We haven't even seen him?

2065
01:49:00.119 --> 01:49:03.119
<v Speaker 8>Yeah, exactly. And who else was it that they?

2066
01:49:03.479 --> 01:49:06.359
<v Speaker 7>Oh, like Elvis, they said there was weird stuff about

2067
01:49:06.399 --> 01:49:12.600
<v Speaker 7>like his corpse quote unquote was like melting in the

2068
01:49:12.640 --> 01:49:16.800
<v Speaker 7>casket or some shit like that. Like they were like,

2069
01:49:16.880 --> 01:49:21.840
<v Speaker 7>since windy dead body sweat, there is this weird stuff,

2070
01:49:21.880 --> 01:49:24.239
<v Speaker 7>you know. So I just don't That was a really

2071
01:49:24.239 --> 01:49:27.159
<v Speaker 7>good example though, like why would they replace Paul McCartney

2072
01:49:27.199 --> 01:49:30.159
<v Speaker 7>if they could just like, you know, I.

2073
01:49:30.079 --> 01:49:34.960
<v Speaker 9>Think, but if he dies tragically, look at how legendary

2074
01:49:35.039 --> 01:49:38.920
<v Speaker 9>that is, Like it ain't seemed so much better, right.

2075
01:49:39.039 --> 01:49:40.359
<v Speaker 6>Well they save that for Lennon?

2076
01:49:40.880 --> 01:49:42.079
<v Speaker 8>Yeah, yeah they did.

2077
01:49:42.119 --> 01:49:43.920
<v Speaker 9>They get there you go, You're right, there you go,

2078
01:49:44.119 --> 01:49:44.680
<v Speaker 9>there you go.

2079
01:49:45.119 --> 01:49:46.680
<v Speaker 8>They gave Georgia cancer death.

2080
01:49:47.720 --> 01:49:50.000
<v Speaker 6>Yeah, I don't know. I think John Lennon could be

2081
01:49:50.039 --> 01:49:51.079
<v Speaker 6>one of those that's not really.

2082
01:49:51.000 --> 01:49:54.359
<v Speaker 7>Good ringo wow, because he's a fucking useless asshole.

2083
01:49:54.960 --> 01:49:56.640
<v Speaker 6>He had to be on Thomas the train.

2084
01:50:00.319 --> 01:50:02.640
<v Speaker 1>That was part of his script.

2085
01:50:03.399 --> 01:50:05.520
<v Speaker 7>Lisa, were you going to say something a minute ago

2086
01:50:05.640 --> 01:50:07.600
<v Speaker 7>about this, No, I was.

2087
01:50:07.760 --> 01:50:09.800
<v Speaker 10>I was going to say something about like it wouldn't

2088
01:50:09.880 --> 01:50:12.199
<v Speaker 10>Isn't it weird? How like with Paul McCartney, he ends

2089
01:50:12.239 --> 01:50:13.880
<v Speaker 10>up owning all this music?

2090
01:50:15.239 --> 01:50:15.800
<v Speaker 12>What is it like?

2091
01:50:15.880 --> 01:50:18.960
<v Speaker 10>He owns all of Frank Sinatra's music, all of the

2092
01:50:19.000 --> 01:50:19.960
<v Speaker 10>Beatles music.

2093
01:50:21.560 --> 01:50:25.760
<v Speaker 5>He was Jackson Jackson, he was They actually helped falling

2094
01:50:25.840 --> 01:50:27.239
<v Speaker 5>out over some of that stuff.

2095
01:50:27.479 --> 01:50:30.640
<v Speaker 12>And apparently that he died shortly after, right.

2096
01:50:32.039 --> 01:50:34.680
<v Speaker 10>I guess the claim was that Michael Jackson had gone

2097
01:50:34.720 --> 01:50:40.640
<v Speaker 10>bankrupt and that Paul had offered to buy his music

2098
01:50:40.760 --> 01:50:43.560
<v Speaker 10>back or something, because I think Paul used to own

2099
01:50:43.680 --> 01:50:45.399
<v Speaker 10>all of Michael Jackson's.

2100
01:50:46.520 --> 01:50:48.760
<v Speaker 8>Right, Yeah, I remember that incorrectly.

2101
01:50:49.199 --> 01:50:53.000
<v Speaker 5>Well, Michael Jackson bought some cocoono I think, and he

2102
01:50:53.159 --> 01:50:55.359
<v Speaker 5>ended up having the majority at some point, and I

2103
01:50:55.359 --> 01:50:57.560
<v Speaker 5>know that's when he sold it to the Paliss shoes

2104
01:50:58.079 --> 01:51:02.239
<v Speaker 5>commercial and Paul Carney was like, the song's about revolution,

2105
01:51:02.399 --> 01:51:03.840
<v Speaker 5>it's not about selling shoes.

2106
01:51:04.199 --> 01:51:06.640
<v Speaker 6>And they you know, they did a song together.

2107
01:51:06.680 --> 01:51:09.439
<v Speaker 5>They were supposed to be Buddy Buddy and then but yeah,

2108
01:51:09.520 --> 01:51:11.319
<v Speaker 5>near the end of Michael Jackson's.

2109
01:51:10.920 --> 01:51:13.920
<v Speaker 6>Life, what what he was in Apple Music. It was

2110
01:51:13.960 --> 01:51:14.800
<v Speaker 6>one of the big.

2111
01:51:14.600 --> 01:51:28.279
<v Speaker 10>Ones because everybody hates Sony, like even.

2112
01:51:24.960 --> 01:51:29.199
<v Speaker 9>And then he sold it to Apple. Oh, he sold

2113
01:51:29.199 --> 01:51:30.920
<v Speaker 9>the entire catalog to Apple.

2114
01:51:32.079 --> 01:51:33.920
<v Speaker 5>And that's when it became such a big deal that

2115
01:51:33.960 --> 01:51:35.479
<v Speaker 5>you could get Beatles on iTunes.

2116
01:51:35.520 --> 01:51:36.720
<v Speaker 6>I remember when that happened.

2117
01:51:37.560 --> 01:51:40.560
<v Speaker 9>And that has now happened to Pink Floyd. I believe

2118
01:51:40.680 --> 01:51:44.159
<v Speaker 9>Google bought Pink Floyd or Apple bought pink Floyd. Now

2119
01:51:45.119 --> 01:51:51.680
<v Speaker 9>they they sold their entire name, catalog and everything and

2120
01:51:51.760 --> 01:51:54.760
<v Speaker 9>like and look alike, so even probably AI and everything.

2121
01:51:57.760 --> 01:51:59.960
<v Speaker 12>Paul McCartney also owns Buddy Holly's music.

2122
01:52:01.239 --> 01:52:03.560
<v Speaker 8>Oh does he Well that makes a ton of.

2123
01:52:04.000 --> 01:52:06.880
<v Speaker 10>My whole point is that it's amazing how he comes

2124
01:52:06.920 --> 01:52:10.560
<v Speaker 10>into the situation of owning all of this music. You

2125
01:52:10.600 --> 01:52:12.439
<v Speaker 10>know what I mean if he was like a faux

2126
01:52:12.600 --> 01:52:14.760
<v Speaker 10>member of the band. Well not really because he became

2127
01:52:14.760 --> 01:52:16.479
<v Speaker 10>a better musician, but you know what I mean, Like,

2128
01:52:16.920 --> 01:52:20.680
<v Speaker 10>it's so weird how he somehow positions himself to profit

2129
01:52:21.239 --> 01:52:26.479
<v Speaker 10>off of so much, you know, not being an original member.

2130
01:52:27.079 --> 01:52:31.439
<v Speaker 9>Have you had on the Super Bowl yesterday with Sandler? Yeah,

2131
01:52:31.439 --> 01:52:33.880
<v Speaker 9>he was sitting next to Adam Sandler and they're all

2132
01:52:33.960 --> 01:52:36.039
<v Speaker 9>like pointing to each other and everything.

2133
01:52:36.319 --> 01:52:43.960
<v Speaker 7>Oh my god, what so what was the thing about? Like, uh,

2134
01:52:44.520 --> 01:52:46.920
<v Speaker 7>do you guys know who Jay Widner is. He does

2135
01:52:46.960 --> 01:52:51.600
<v Speaker 7>a lot of stuff about like the Shining and like

2136
01:52:51.720 --> 01:52:52.760
<v Speaker 7>Qubrick and.

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<v Speaker 8>Stuff like that.

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<v Speaker 5>Yeah, he's Nick just had writer Leon. They made that

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<v Speaker 5>movie together, right.

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<v Speaker 7>So Jay Widner has talked extensively about how they replaced Paul,

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<v Speaker 7>and like, I guess if you talk to this new

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<v Speaker 7>Paul about it, like he gets all, you know, weird

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<v Speaker 7>and shit and like won't even bring it up, won't

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<v Speaker 7>discuss it, won't talk about it. I mean, the guy

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<v Speaker 7>I liked the Wings too, you know, and he didn't

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<v Speaker 7>he like write a bunch of music for Ringo and.

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<v Speaker 8>Shit after they split up. Okay, well, I'm just saying

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<v Speaker 8>he was.

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<v Speaker 7>Whoever replaced him was a great was a really great musician. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 7>so what he married a chick with no legs. But

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<v Speaker 7>I mean, I think he's a cool guy.

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<v Speaker 6>I don't know.

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<v Speaker 5>I always thought there was a real darkness to Paul myself.

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<v Speaker 7>He's the Walrus.

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<v Speaker 6>He's I don't think he's a good dude at all.

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<v Speaker 2>Knighted by the Queen of England herself.

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<v Speaker 8>Yeah, that's true. That is true.

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<v Speaker 4>All right, I think I'm gonna I wrap it up here. Actually,

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<v Speaker 4>if you guys, it's almost close to two hours. I

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<v Speaker 4>thought that was good. Thank you very much, Julian and Colby.

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<v Speaker 4>I really appreciate that. Had a really good time, like

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<v Speaker 4>I expected, had a lot of good laughs. Mike Thrash,

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01:54:14.439 --> 01:54:16.239
<v Speaker 4>appreciate it. Love when you guys are on and I

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<v Speaker 4>knew this was a topic that you'd both be into. Lisa,

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<v Speaker 4>thank you very much. As usual, always appreciate your input.

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<v Speaker 4>Uh Kolbe will go with you. First, let everybody know

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<v Speaker 4>where they can find your amazing stuff.

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<v Speaker 1>Please.

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<v Speaker 6>Conspiracy, play time and disinformation.

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<v Speaker 5>You can find those where you find them pretty much everywhere.

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<v Speaker 6>If the first one second ones harder to find.

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<v Speaker 5>But we do do that one more often, and it's

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<v Speaker 5>more of like political satire shit talking, and it's it's

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<v Speaker 5>you know, we do sprinkle conspiracy in there because it's

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<v Speaker 5>Dusty and I and Julie and I are going to

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<v Speaker 5>be doing a show together. I'd say next month or

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<v Speaker 5>two we'll start seeing the kill room where we're gonna

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<v Speaker 5>talk about probably stuff we don't really talk about on

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<v Speaker 5>our own shows, but where we kind of we we

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<v Speaker 5>we agree about a lot, but we disagree about it.

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<v Speaker 7>We disagree a lot.

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<v Speaker 6>Not to kill each other doing it.

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<v Speaker 7>I have a sharpened blade to his throat. Say what

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<v Speaker 7>I think?

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<v Speaker 1>That's great, Say what I think?

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<v Speaker 7>And Julia, Yeah, I'm wherever you listen to podcast Cosmic Peach,

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<v Speaker 7>and I'm also on the Cult of Conspiracy podcast every Saturday.

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<v Speaker 1>Very nice. How does that work? Is it just you

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<v Speaker 1>and you and them or just just you?

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<v Speaker 7>No, it's just me. It's just one day a week

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<v Speaker 7>that they let me post a show about whatever it

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<v Speaker 7>is that I'm interested in at the time. I do

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<v Speaker 7>like some mini series for them. And Kolbe was on

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<v Speaker 7>the last one that I did. It's called blood Ties

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<v Speaker 7>and it's about some program to kill stuff and he

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<v Speaker 7>drops his amazing Jack Nicholson Ted Bundy theory that in

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<v Speaker 7>that show.

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<v Speaker 6>But most people think it's bullshit, but I don't care.

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<v Speaker 7>It's all right, honey. You can believe whatever you want

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<v Speaker 7>to believe. But yeah, so you can find me on

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<v Speaker 7>the Cult of Conspiracy every Saturday or Apple wherever uh

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<v Speaker 7>Spotify for Cosmic Peach for my normal stuff. But thank

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<v Speaker 7>you for having me again, of course.

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<v Speaker 1>No, that was great chat love it as usual.

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<v Speaker 4>And that was a great talk, a lot of good things,

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<v Speaker 4>you know, talked about a lot of interesting people. Uh yeah,

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<v Speaker 4>and that is the end of another Occult Rejects again,

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<v Speaker 4>thank you everybody in the chat.

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<v Speaker 1>That's what's up. It was awesome.

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<v Speaker 4>There's a lot of people here, a lot of good

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<v Speaker 4>stuff said, had a good time and until the next one, everybody.

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<v Speaker 1>Be well later.

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<v Speaker 6>A right, that's kind friend.

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<v Speaker 2>I can't what else

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<v Speaker 11>Sh