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Speaker 1: Welcome to the Occult Rejects.
Speaker 4: This episode, I got the occult reject mad scientist Lisa
Speaker 4: joining me. I got Mike, and I got my boy Thrash.
Speaker 4: And tonight very special guests. You know, one hasn't been
Speaker 4: on in a while. We got my man Colby back.
Speaker 4: It's been a hot minute. I always love having them on.
Speaker 4: Always had good chats, always had a lot of laughs.
Speaker 4: And back by popular demand. We've got Julia joining us
Speaker 4: again tonight Cosmic Peach, and tonight we will be talking
Speaker 4: about a topic that interests all of us here very much.
Speaker 4: Laurel Canyon, real quick, I guess Mike and Thrash you
Speaker 4: don't even.
Speaker 1: Actually have anything to plug my bed, all right, So Colby,
Speaker 1: we'll go with you real quick.
Speaker 4: Kobe, you want to let everybody know like what your
Speaker 4: deal is and everything, and like where they can find
Speaker 4: some of your stuff.
Speaker 5: Sure, I do conspiracy playtime, which is pretty sporadic these days.
Speaker 5: That's anywhere you're lucky if you can find it on
Speaker 5: YouTube sometimes, but this infobation is the weekly shit talking
Speaker 5: show I'd do with my buddy Dusty, and that one's
Speaker 5: bi weekly, and that one you can find everywhere but
Speaker 5: Apple and YouTube.
Speaker 4: I think I have your website in the description already.
Speaker 4: That's good enough.
Speaker 6: Oh I need to update this.
Speaker 2: OK.
Speaker 4: I'll let the other links in if you want after
Speaker 4: the show. And Julia, just in case people here joining
Speaker 4: us don't happen to know who you are yet, can
Speaker 4: you please let everybody know what you deal is?
Speaker 7: Yeah? I think I'm becoming better known on your show
Speaker 7: just for how many f bombs I drop every couple
Speaker 7: of words. But I'm Julia fucking Cosmic Peach, and I'm
Speaker 7: everywhere besides fucking YouTube. And I'm really happy to be
Speaker 7: here tonight talking about the Laurel Canyon because, like you said,
Speaker 7: it's one of my favorite topics by far, and Colby's
Speaker 7: as well, and I can't wait to get into it.
Speaker 5: Do you monetize on YouTube? Because she just really screwed
Speaker 5: that up for you.
Speaker 6: Sorry, have like a ten minute rule or something?
Speaker 7: What?
Speaker 5: Every no, like the first ten minutes any profanity you
Speaker 5: get demounted?
Speaker 1: Oh, I have no idea. I'm sure, I've screwed that
Speaker 1: up myself already.
Speaker 7: My fucking bad.
Speaker 1: Yeah, we're good. We're good.
Speaker 4: I'm not really worried about YouTube anyway. So if it happens,
Speaker 4: it happens. Uh, you know what, we'll go around the well,
Speaker 4: we'll go with you. Colby, What was it that got
Speaker 4: you like really into a Laurel Canyon, because I know
Speaker 4: you've been into that for a long time as well.
Speaker 5: Yeah, I mean it was kind of like the revitalization
Speaker 5: of like psyop conspiracy theory.
Speaker 1: For me.
Speaker 5: I was really into that when I was younger, And
Speaker 5: I remember I was picking up a friend in Portland
Speaker 5: and he had just seen Dave Matthews live at the
Speaker 5: Gorge and he was on acid, and he told me
Speaker 5: a story about how bad his trip was because he
Speaker 5: just realized that he was at like a cult ritual
Speaker 5: and Dave was leading it, and he wasn't even a
Speaker 5: Dave Matthews man, but he said the whole time he
Speaker 5: just like felt like he's witnessing sacrifices and stuff. And
Speaker 5: then I heard Jay Dyer like that year talking about
Speaker 5: this book that McGowan wrote, Weird Scenes, and I read
Speaker 5: that with that story in mind, and just like how
Speaker 5: these performers were casting spells, and then he just lays
Speaker 5: it all up for you, like the structure of the
Speaker 5: whole thing and how they pulled it off. And I
Speaker 5: mean it was very sloppy in a lot of ways,
Speaker 5: so so many decades later it was easy to kind
Speaker 5: of piece it all together. So I like conspiracy theories
Speaker 5: that blow your mind but are also like traceable and
Speaker 5: you can actually tie it all together. Do you reached
Speaker 5: off top of other people's research, And I mean Julie
Speaker 5: has done a good job of that.
Speaker 8: But we both love the music too.
Speaker 5: Yeah, And that's the thing is I I almost think it's
Speaker 5: cooler the way that it really happened. It's like more
Speaker 5: mysterious than like, oh, a bunch of fucking stoned hippies
Speaker 5: just made some good music, and then when you see
Speaker 5: what was really going on there, it's it's way more
Speaker 5: intriguing story.
Speaker 7: But I love CIA music. It's like the best shit
Speaker 7: out there. I grew up on Laurel Canyon music. It's
Speaker 7: my favorite fucking music.
Speaker 8: Seat there I go again.
Speaker 7: Sorry, And I actually when I read Strange Strange scenes,
Speaker 7: and then I went over to his blog and he
Speaker 7: has a great website. It's called an Uninformed American or
Speaker 7: something like that or I can't remember what it is. Yeah,
Speaker 7: but he has a blog and you can go on
Speaker 7: there and like he has a bunch of different topics.
Speaker 7: But Laurel Canyon is one of the blogs on there,
Speaker 7: and he has like pictures and it's kind of easier
Speaker 7: to read than the book because he just kind of
Speaker 7: does like cliffs notes on the blog and so I
Speaker 7: by them. I got done reading the book and then
Speaker 7: reading the blog. My mind was blown. But it was,
Speaker 7: like Colby said, I was like thinking to myself, this
Speaker 7: makes it almost cooler in a way because they're all
Speaker 7: military and they all like kind of grew up together
Speaker 7: at these military bases and shit. And Jim Morrison's dad
Speaker 7: started to fucking Vietnam War and shit, like that's a
Speaker 7: way better story.
Speaker 8: Log Cabin.
Speaker 7: Somebody just wrote a comment about the log Cabin. That's
Speaker 7: also interesting to me because who is a Jared Letto
Speaker 7: owns it?
Speaker 3: Now?
Speaker 1: No?
Speaker 6: I think he got Lookout Mountain Studios.
Speaker 9: Oh he got? Is that what he got?
Speaker 2: Okay?
Speaker 9: Does anybody in here you know?
Speaker 6: Because we argue about that.
Speaker 9: Okay, yeah, yeah, No, it's a Leto got lookout Mountain.
Speaker 7: Yeah, okay, well I'm pretty sure somebody did you guys
Speaker 7: see that comment earlier.
Speaker 9: About the log cabin Vince Neil?
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, a plane crash. Yeah. I don't know if
Speaker 1: that's true or not.
Speaker 9: It's said that it's a head on collision. I just
Speaker 9: looked it up, like in the air. There's a collision
Speaker 9: in the air.
Speaker 6: Another plane.
Speaker 4: Oh yeah, another one that I know crash before the podcast,
Speaker 4: Like I was, oh my god.
Speaker 6: Yeah, yeah, we're not supposed to be flying everybody, dude, I'm.
Speaker 7: Not flying fucking anywhere there. They're gonna know and they're
Speaker 7: gonna kill us.
Speaker 10: So the website just really quickly, and Julia was a
Speaker 10: Center for an Informed America.
Speaker 8: Yeah, there you go, There you go.
Speaker 7: So on that website he's got stuff on like Abraham Lincoln.
Speaker 7: He's got stuff about the fake moon landing. He's got
Speaker 7: stuff about Laurel Canyon obviously, and the Boston Marathon bombings.
Speaker 7: So it's just a really cool place you can go
Speaker 7: to check out a lot of his work. He doesn't
Speaker 7: actually have a blog about Program to Kill though, which
Speaker 7: surprises me because it's like one of my favorite books
Speaker 7: of all time. But something that we were kind of
Speaker 7: mentioning before we started recording is actually how Programmed to
Speaker 7: Kill and Laurel Canyon kind of dovetail each other because
Speaker 7: serial killers and the counterculture movement kind of run hand
Speaker 7: in hand with each other and one of those things.
Speaker 7: And I don't want to like jump too far ahead,
Speaker 7: but it's Charles Manson, obviously, who is a musician slash
Speaker 7: MK ultra slash CIA, slash am I missing anything.
Speaker 6: Just a cool all around guy.
Speaker 7: Really, yeah, my hero.
Speaker 10: Actor, right, actor, very versatile, diverse.
Speaker 1: There you go.
Speaker 7: Did you guys read Chaos?
Speaker 1: No?
Speaker 6: I did not know.
Speaker 8: Go ahead, honey, this is yours time to shine.
Speaker 2: No.
Speaker 5: I just think it's kind of coming out lately that
Speaker 5: guy's a gatekeeper of sorts, and I'm busy. I'm extremely
Speaker 5: disappointed by that, But I also I'm not surprised because
Speaker 5: he said just enough to let everybody tie the pieces together.
Speaker 5: Like with the Jolly West Tate Ashbury Free Sex Clinic thing,
Speaker 5: he would just show you and then you would be
Speaker 5: the one to go. Oh so Charles Manson knew Jolly
Speaker 5: West maybe, but see, I don't know.
Speaker 6: He's making a Netflix series of it.
Speaker 5: A guy I liked interview on my podcast, told me
Speaker 5: that last time I talked to him, and I mean.
Speaker 7: He's making a Netflix series.
Speaker 6: That's what I got.
Speaker 8: That's going to be fucking dog shit.
Speaker 4: Well we'll see, but I mean, I think who's making
Speaker 4: the search was making the netflixers.
Speaker 6: Netflix is doing the adaptation of the book. From what I.
Speaker 7: Understand, I don't want to see it, but we'll have
Speaker 7: to write to verify.
Speaker 6: I mean, at least start it.
Speaker 7: Okay, but you saw what they did with Waco. They
Speaker 7: just fuck everything up.
Speaker 9: See I've been saying, like that whole title alone chaos.
Speaker 9: It just added chaos to the case, and it just
Speaker 9: made it more convoluted. I get there's a lot of
Speaker 9: interesting stuff that came out, like you said, but it
Speaker 9: just made it even more confusion. He had to go
Speaker 9: all the way back to the beginning again and then yeah,
Speaker 9: it's literal chaos. And then he's coming out with the
Speaker 9: second one, which is going to be even now. I
Speaker 9: don't even noticed that the new Sam's coming out.
Speaker 5: I think the most valuable part of that book for
Speaker 5: me was how he tore apart Boogliosi's narrative because a
Speaker 5: lot of people take that face value, and there was
Speaker 5: there's nothing real in health Skelter, the whole theory he
Speaker 5: lays out.
Speaker 6: In my opinion, I.
Speaker 8: Don't think it was there was anything to that at all.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 11: And the fact that it shows that he was arrested
Speaker 11: on parole so many times and release does I mean
Speaker 11: it shows you that he was being let out, he's
Speaker 11: being watched. There's no way you get charges like that
Speaker 11: on parole, especially back then you're back in.
Speaker 1: That's it.
Speaker 9: You had, Like he had good interesting points in the book,
Speaker 9: like about like the parole officer and how the parole
Speaker 9: officer was like kept helping him and helping him and
Speaker 9: helping the kids and even helped Yeah, very odd for sure.
Speaker 7: And then the which I forget, which beach boy it
Speaker 7: is that died?
Speaker 6: Oh Dennis Dennis?
Speaker 7: Are you sure?
Speaker 5: Yeah, he's on that dope for his car keys and
Speaker 5: kept swimming down to grab him until he died.
Speaker 7: Yeah. Because he said he was going to write a book,
Speaker 7: right and he was going to say.
Speaker 8: What was really going on with Manson.
Speaker 5: I'd like to have a conversation with Neil Young about
Speaker 5: Charles Manson if if there's someone left alive, because he
Speaker 5: was all about it.
Speaker 7: Neil Young sucked his dick hole though. He loved that guy.
Speaker 7: He loved Manson.
Speaker 6: That's an interesting feat to pull off.
Speaker 8: He was doing it.
Speaker 7: He loved him.
Speaker 8: He would say like, oh, he's so talented.
Speaker 7: Look at the check this guy out. So, I mean,
Speaker 7: if he would be honest about it, yeah, I doubt
Speaker 7: he would.
Speaker 2: See.
Speaker 7: He was also a vaccine pusher, saying he was going
Speaker 7: to take a ship off Spotify.
Speaker 9: And uh, Creepy Karpis is the one that supposedly taught
Speaker 9: Manson guitar in prison. The mob guy they were like
Speaker 9: and stuff.
Speaker 5: Yeah, the Beach Boys actually stole some of his ship,
Speaker 5: and so.
Speaker 9: It's kind of all right.
Speaker 5: I think it would I think it would have been
Speaker 5: better than a lot of the people that he was
Speaker 5: hanging out with. Oh yeah, I mean it was. It
Speaker 5: would have been more like velvet underground type ship.
Speaker 9: Kind of have a good voice and everything.
Speaker 11: And the Beach Boys and all them they had studio
Speaker 11: musicians anyways, it was if you had it was of
Speaker 11: all about the charisma anyways. I mean the Birds and
Speaker 11: all those bands could barely even play the instruments.
Speaker 6: Oh yeah, yeah, And I mean I think they all
Speaker 6: learned along the way. I think that's where the doors
Speaker 6: stand out. And I think.
Speaker 5: Whether that music was written by them or not, they
Speaker 5: actually played it.
Speaker 6: They played it in the studio. They'd bring in a
Speaker 6: bass player.
Speaker 5: Ray man Zeric was probably one of the most talented
Speaker 5: musicians of that era. There was an instance in Amsterdam
Speaker 5: where Morrison was so fucked up that he passed out
Speaker 5: before the show.
Speaker 6: He wandered onto the stage when.
Speaker 5: Jefferson Airplane was playing and fucked up their set.
Speaker 6: Then he passed out. This was probably all an act.
Speaker 5: But Rayn Xeric played bass with his left hand, played
Speaker 5: the keys with his right hand and sing just as
Speaker 5: good as Morrison and took it did the entire set.
Speaker 6: So those guys were a good musicians. No, that's Manseric.
Speaker 5: He wrote a lot or not Manzeric, Robbie Kreeger, he
Speaker 5: wrote most of their radio hits.
Speaker 8: I really love that one.
Speaker 9: Well, sometimes they would like they'd like go into they
Speaker 9: would have to like almost improvise with Jim Morrison because
Speaker 9: he would go in like trance is and he would
Speaker 9: take like a two to three minute song and turn
Speaker 9: it into like twenty minutes, and he for his age.
Speaker 9: It's odd just the words and the stuff that he's
Speaker 9: saying and talking about when you listen to the live performances.
Speaker 4: Like so, you know, a lot of bands back then,
Speaker 4: Grateful Dead did that with their space and their drums.
Speaker 4: You had a lot of jam bands that really kind
Speaker 4: of was doing what the do.
Speaker 2: The Doors were kind of like.
Speaker 5: A jazzy jazzy jam band when they were alive. Yeah,
Speaker 5: and I do think that we're going to do, especially
Speaker 5: in the later years. But I happened to think Morrison
Speaker 5: was acting the whole time and did really become a
Speaker 5: fucking bloated drunk because of what he was doing to
Speaker 5: America's youth.
Speaker 6: I mean, he'd scream at the crowd, you're.
Speaker 7: All a bunch of slaves, fuckers.
Speaker 10: Of the One of the things that we had Nick
Speaker 10: and I had done, I dive into Empedocles, which was
Speaker 10: an ancient philosopher, and one of the things that comes
Speaker 10: out of there is the discovery of I am a
Speaker 10: hexameter or hexameter. It's a type of poetry that it's
Speaker 10: like a six stanza type thing, and back in the day,
Speaker 10: only oracles from Delphi spoke in hexameter, and that if
Speaker 10: it didn't happen in hexameter, then it was considered not
Speaker 10: to be authentic to have been divinated from the oracle.
Speaker 10: So one of the things when we were looking at
Speaker 10: hexameter just as a quick reference, they said that Jim
Speaker 10: Morrison wrote his songs in hexameter.
Speaker 6: Yeah, and who was teaching him do this shit?
Speaker 7: That's also mentioned in American Horror Story Season covin which
Speaker 7: I keep trying to tell y'all.
Speaker 4: We had a guy, and we had a guy on
Speaker 4: whole while that coupled covered Jim Morrison and he went
Speaker 4: into some stuff where you like he said he was
Speaker 4: like very young age and like went to some specific library.
Speaker 12: Oh oh oh oh.
Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, I'm not exactly sure where it was. I
Speaker 4: might have been in Washington where he went to some
Speaker 4: like specific library as like a very young kid to
Speaker 4: take out some book that was like a pretty much
Speaker 4: like a cult stuff. And then were like, how did
Speaker 4: you know?
Speaker 2: Then?
Speaker 1: Yeah, on the internet they tell you that the book
Speaker 1: was there.
Speaker 10: So they said that, like, his dad was stationed in
Speaker 10: LA and they made the trip to Washington when he
Speaker 10: got transferred, and on the way to DC, they stopped
Speaker 10: at an area in North New Mexico, and Morrison claims
Speaker 10: at the age of three years old, he felt that
Speaker 10: the spirits of the native people who had passed away
Speaker 10: on an accident that had happened at Los Alamos Laboratory
Speaker 10: entered him and never left. And I had asked Paul,
Speaker 10: I was like, did he stop at Los Alamos? Was
Speaker 10: his dad affiliated with Los Almos?
Speaker 6: Why?
Speaker 12: That's pretty damn specific.
Speaker 10: And I do know that Los Alamo's laboratory they did
Speaker 10: use Native hands to build the stuff, and so it
Speaker 10: would almost beg the question in passing, did they, you know,
Speaker 10: stop and Courier, I don't know whatever.
Speaker 12: And so he did make a stop there.
Speaker 10: And we do have significant people that went to Los
Speaker 10: Alamo's Ranch school, like Williams.
Speaker 12: Burrows and some other people with that.
Speaker 10: Ended up becoming huge prominent figures later in society for
Speaker 10: them to stop there. But what Nick was saying when
Speaker 10: they got to DC and he was going to school there,
Speaker 10: they said that he really wasn't interested in what regular
Speaker 10: kids were interested. He was always at the library, and
Speaker 10: that he went to the library Congress Library, Library of Congress,
Speaker 10: and that he asked specifically for a demonology book and
Speaker 10: like these specifical one that was written, and Nick and
Speaker 10: I were saying that even when we did a deep
Speaker 10: dive into some of these grimoars, to know where these
Speaker 10: grimmoars are, you have to really search and find out
Speaker 10: where it's being housed. The fact that he knew that
Speaker 10: that specific book was at the Library of Congress and
Speaker 10: asked for it and studied it, to me, indicates that
Speaker 10: somebody was involved either in grooming or letting him know
Speaker 10: about this stuff. At a very young age. He was
Speaker 10: going to the library and reading this stuff and wanted
Speaker 10: what an Encyclopedia Britannica or something at the age of
Speaker 10: something for his birthday. It was very odd, very very odd.
Speaker 7: Do you think that there's like ritualism involved, as in,
Speaker 7: like the CIA part is like separate or.
Speaker 9: Well to tie to tie in the books and the LSD.
Speaker 9: When it was the year before Morrison was joining the doors,
Speaker 9: he actually had a storage unit and he only had
Speaker 9: his books in the storage unit, and he literally lived
Speaker 9: on the roof and ate oranges from the orange tree
Speaker 9: and supposedly tripped acid every single day on that roof,
Speaker 9: and he he supposedly would see his mom in the
Speaker 9: moon every time he would trip, and he he had
Speaker 9: almost like a sexual fantasy for his mom, and he
Speaker 9: almost had like a hatred for his dad.
Speaker 5: Yeah, the lyrics of the end, I mean, and they
Speaker 5: touched on that pretty pretty well in the dolliver Stone
Speaker 5: movie and also what Lisa was talking about with the
Speaker 5: Indian stuff that's in the Doors movie. Morrison also mentions
Speaker 5: it in The American Prayer the Live Poetry album, and
Speaker 5: he claimed it was a car crash, but the way
Speaker 5: Lisa's talking about it is more intriguing to me.
Speaker 6: I've never gotten Yeah, I've.
Speaker 8: Never heard about that before.
Speaker 7: But do you feel like it's do you feel like
Speaker 7: did an aspect of this? And I'm just playing Devil's
Speaker 7: advocate because we weren't there, but we do know who
Speaker 7: his father was, and we do know about the Laurel
Speaker 7: Canyon and what they were pulling on us to eat.
Speaker 7: Like sometimes I hear some of this stuff about musicians
Speaker 7: and I'm like, God only fucking knows if any of
Speaker 7: this is true or just made up bullshit to make
Speaker 7: this person seem more interest because it's like they have
Speaker 7: to have a character backstory to make this movie work
Speaker 7: and to make them interesting. And I don't think he's dead.
Speaker 7: I don't think he's part of the twenty seven club
Speaker 7: for real.
Speaker 9: I don't think.
Speaker 7: And it's like the Manson murders. You've got me convinced
Speaker 7: that they probably didn't even happen. So I think some
Speaker 7: of this stuff just it's like to sensationalize the character
Speaker 7: of Jim Morrison. But I almost wonder if everything we
Speaker 7: hear about these celebrities, musicians, whatever, especially coming out of
Speaker 7: the Laurel Canyon, especially someone whose dad literally started the
Speaker 7: Vietnam War and he never talked about that for somebody
Speaker 7: was so anti war and so fucking counterculture, he never
Speaker 7: talked about that shit. So I mean, I don't know
Speaker 7: how much. And it's not to discount anything that anybody's researched.
Speaker 7: It could be true, But I just don't know if
Speaker 7: he's as interesting as they make him out to be
Speaker 7: for real, because we were talking about it, and I
Speaker 7: think a more interesting story would be who he really was,
Speaker 7: like his dad's you know, and all this his connections,
Speaker 7: and that's more interesting than like tripping acid and wanting to.
Speaker 8: Fuck your mom and eating oranges. In my opinion, well,
Speaker 8: a lot of.
Speaker 6: That stuff could be true.
Speaker 5: Like I don't think we need to throw the baby
Speaker 5: out with the bathwater in his past because he was gifted, he.
Speaker 7: Was You don't think it's sensationalized, of course it is.
Speaker 5: I mean I love slash hate the Doors movie the
Speaker 5: Oliver Stone made. I think it's a great movie, but
Speaker 5: maybe twenty five percent of it's even slightly true.
Speaker 4: One thing I did think was weird and me and
Speaker 4: Lisa had I think she had agreed with me. I'm
Speaker 4: not saying like I didn't make me think the story
Speaker 4: is false per se. Maybe just stuff missing. But my
Speaker 4: opinion of three year old coming out and saying a
Speaker 4: lot of that stuff or remembering that stuff from three
Speaker 4: years old is like a little like really like you
Speaker 4: really remember that much detail that you were going through
Speaker 4: los ellsmol three years old?
Speaker 7: Right, or somebody told him that U.
Speaker 10: No, no, no, But just the whole fact of Los Alamo's
Speaker 10: Ranch itself in and of itself was a huge deal
Speaker 10: in terms of a connection like the guy who started
Speaker 10: Los Alamo's school ranch school before Oppenheimer got there. Because
Speaker 10: Oppenheimer kind of kicked it all off with Los Alamo's.
Speaker 10: I mean, all the credit goes to him in terms of,
Speaker 10: you know, the building and the construction and the upbringing
Speaker 10: and all that other stuff. But initially the Ranch School
Speaker 10: where William S. Burrows was going, where Edward T. Hall,
Speaker 10: Roy Chapman, all these guys, Colegate guy were all there.
Speaker 12: The main guy who.
Speaker 10: Started it, he was at Stanford and there were I
Speaker 10: believe he had some sort of tie to you know,
Speaker 10: psychology and all that other stuff, which we know that
Speaker 10: Stanford's psychology department you see essling kind of you know,
Speaker 10: blooming off of that. So to me, I feel like
Speaker 10: it's significant that he that they would make a trip
Speaker 10: there first and foremost. The other thing that I wanted
Speaker 10: to say is that Paul had mentioned in her interview
Speaker 10: with him that Morrison was constantly getting in trouble, like
Speaker 10: he was constantly getting in trouble with the law, whether
Speaker 10: it was state police, local police, it was constant, whether
Speaker 10: it was hotels, whether it was drunk, whatever it was,
Speaker 10: and that I think somebody had had it. I don't know,
Speaker 10: it's like federal or something, and they wanted to pick
Speaker 10: him up and take him in.
Speaker 12: Why that would be a big deal.
Speaker 10: Is that the dad, his dad apparently there was a
Speaker 10: letter that was written that the dad actually was wanting
Speaker 10: to submit his career or his title in exchange for
Speaker 10: letting Morrison go. And I'm like, okay, if it's local
Speaker 10: law enforcement or stale enforcement, that would mean nothing, like, hey,
Speaker 10: I'm a rear admiral, here's my title to I don't know,
Speaker 10: State of Texas. Nobody cares. But would why would that
Speaker 10: letter come to me? I think is because he's submitting
Speaker 10: it to the federal level. And why is the federal
Speaker 10: level getting involved in what you know, disturbances? Morrison is
Speaker 10: causing it some of these concerts, I think, well, that's something.
Speaker 12: There's meat on that bone for sure. I think is he.
Speaker 7: One of your favorites from the Laurel Canyon.
Speaker 10: Not not particular, I mean yes, but I think there's
Speaker 10: some other ones that I really Eric Clapton was good,
Speaker 10: but I really like the females, the like Jody Mitchell
Speaker 10: that really kind of like fades away into the.
Speaker 12: You know, the limelight or whatever, more dark and twisty.
Speaker 7: Did you like like the Mamas and the Papas or anything.
Speaker 12: I did like them. I did like them. I like
Speaker 12: their music.
Speaker 10: But I think the story of like with Joni Mitchell,
Speaker 10: I think was very interesting, how she shows up and
Speaker 10: everybody's completely floored and fascinating by her. That Eric Clapton,
Speaker 10: you know, take his eyes off of her because of
Speaker 10: her voice. And the thing is that Joni Mitchell was
Speaker 10: brought over from Florida, and they all knew each other,
Speaker 10: every single one of the people that lived in Laurel Canyon.
Speaker 10: That was another thing when we talked to I think B. T. Wallace,
Speaker 10: is that they all knew each other. Their fathers all
Speaker 10: worked together in DC or in some sort of capacity
Speaker 10: with OSS or with some sort of intelligentsia with the US.
Speaker 10: I think in Florida there was a couple of them
Speaker 10: that knew each other. I don't remember off the top
Speaker 10: of my head exactly why, but they all knew each other.
Speaker 10: So when they got there, it's like, you know, like
Speaker 10: a bunch of kids that grew up in Martha's vineyard,
Speaker 10: you know, taking up residence I don't know, in Marfa,
Speaker 10: Texas or something.
Speaker 12: That's kind of how I thought.
Speaker 11: And a lot of those guys were on strange trips
Speaker 11: as young people, traveling around Margina, a lot of different places,
Speaker 11: traveling around, and then they all start showing up right
Speaker 11: as the war is about to get kicked off. And
Speaker 11: the anti war movement's happening is when they all start
Speaker 11: showing up.
Speaker 7: And but yeah, for no reason whatsoever, because the Laurel
Speaker 7: Canyon was not a music scene. The major music scene
Speaker 7: was like Memphis, where else like New York, New York, Chicago. Yeah,
Speaker 7: it wasn't fucking there wasn't anything going on in the
Speaker 7: Laurel Canyon. They just started migrating there for unexplained reasons.
Speaker 8: Literally.
Speaker 5: Well, and Vito Polikus is another interesting numbers because he
Speaker 5: had the freaks that would show up at these concerts
Speaker 5: and a lot of people hadn't seen anything like that before,
Speaker 5: so that was mainly you know, that was the big
Speaker 5: attraction of a lot of these shows in these small
Speaker 5: la clubs was these.
Speaker 6: Freaking freaky hippie chicks dancing.
Speaker 5: And the guy that orchestrated that, I mean, his son
Speaker 5: died when he was like he was like three or four,
Speaker 5: go to poly and he was replaced by Bobby Bousselet
Speaker 5: and a Kenneth Anger film like this guy actually made
Speaker 5: it okay to go to one of these shows where
Speaker 5: the musicians really sucked and you would just it was
Speaker 5: just became a big party. And I mean in the fifties,
Speaker 5: you didn't really have that, Like it was just about
Speaker 5: the music really in the dancing.
Speaker 7: But do you remember what I always say about like
Speaker 7: the plane crash with like Buddy Holly and the Big
Speaker 7: Bopper and all those fuckers on it. That was like
Speaker 7: the ending of an era for the counterculture scene to
Speaker 7: take off, because that was the last of that generation
Speaker 7: of like intent kind of like puppy dum music, and
Speaker 7: then all over and after that playing crass hippie, don't
Speaker 7: shape pits, don't wear out all, don't take birth control
Speaker 7: and also uh smoked ru uggs and.
Speaker 8: What else.
Speaker 7: I mean, that's in my opinion, I feel like it
Speaker 7: was almost like an overnight kind of transition from Buddy
Speaker 7: Hawley to Frank Zappa.
Speaker 11: Yeah, hippie was invented right there in those clubs, right
Speaker 11: there by Laurel Canyon. I complete, complete invention.
Speaker 2: And like you said, it was freaks. They wanted to go.
Speaker 11: People would show up for the freak aspect of it,
Speaker 11: and they didn't care how shitty the music was.
Speaker 6: So one thing.
Speaker 10: Two things actually so Morrison and not you know it
Speaker 10: sounds like I'm just suck on Morrison. I apologize to
Speaker 10: the chat and to you, Morrison got a degree in cinematologism, sorry,
Speaker 10: cinematography from UCLA, which would be Liberal Arts type college,
Speaker 10: right or the department, right. Usually you have them kind
Speaker 10: of collated in departments. And so one of the things
Speaker 10: that you know, we talk about as Stanford and Essellin
Speaker 10: always being associated, where we don't realize is that some
Speaker 10: of the original professors or scientists that started this whole
Speaker 10: kickoff with Stanford and Essellin first came from UCLA and
Speaker 10: they started in that department of the Liberal Arts College.
Speaker 12: So that's also to kind of keep in mind.
Speaker 10: And it was about the time when Morrison was in
Speaker 10: school at UCLA. So I think again we have another connection,
Speaker 10: another connection, kind of pivoting off what Mike said is
Speaker 10: that no one really looks at the Troubadour, which was
Speaker 10: the club where all these people were playing there outside
Speaker 10: of Laurel Canyon, and he was the main guy that
Speaker 10: if you played there, you could play there for free,
Speaker 10: as long as that when you made it big, you
Speaker 10: had to come back and play. His parents, I believe
Speaker 10: his parents were German or he was a German descent
Speaker 10: of sort. The owner from the troubador I forget his name,
Speaker 10: but nobody really mentioned him. He had to have been
Speaker 10: integral into this whole scene, you know what I mean.
Speaker 12: I mean they had to have.
Speaker 10: Gotten exposure somewhere. And who designated Troubadour to be the
Speaker 10: club to be exposed exposing these people?
Speaker 8: I'm not familiar with that, are you.
Speaker 6: I didn't know about the guy, I know about the club.
Speaker 12: Let me look up the name of the Troubadour A
Speaker 12: second Alexander Douglas Weston.
Speaker 7: Oh, that sounds like a suspicious name.
Speaker 12: She was the owner of the Troubadour.
Speaker 7: Alexander what.
Speaker 10: Alexander Douglas Doug Weston, And he was the owner Troubadour
Speaker 10: And it was located at ninety eighty one Santa Monica
Speaker 10: Boulevard Wen.
Speaker 12: But I was initially a coffeehouse, was it?
Speaker 7: But like I know, was it on the Sunset Strip?
Speaker 6: Santa Monica?
Speaker 8: Santa Monica?
Speaker 7: Is that close?
Speaker 5: I mean, it's it's all close down there, depending on traffic,
Speaker 5: but I would Yeah, there's like three clubs that were
Speaker 5: kind of featuring these bands, and the.
Speaker 8: Freaks were at some club on Sunset Strip.
Speaker 6: Well, there was the Whiskey Go Go. Yeah, that's what
Speaker 6: it was and the Troubadour.
Speaker 5: I don't I'm blinking on the other one, but you know,
Speaker 5: in the beginning, it was kind of crazy because the
Speaker 5: log Cabin was like a kind of a hangout spot
Speaker 5: where Zappa and I mean this is really close to
Speaker 5: the Manson Slanes too.
Speaker 6: I mean it all links together.
Speaker 5: But Frank Zappa, Mama Cass and one that nobody even
Speaker 5: really talks about that's one of my favorites is Captain Beefheart.
Speaker 6: He kind of came on later, but Captain Beefheart's story
Speaker 6: is crazy.
Speaker 5: He would actually like imprison his bandmates and make them
Speaker 5: record under extreme hydration and starvation.
Speaker 6: I think, yeah, the third album.
Speaker 5: I like beef Heart first few albums and he kind
Speaker 5: of gets out there, but I just think he's one.
Speaker 6: That doesn't really get talked about with Laura's stuff.
Speaker 7: Locked them up and dehydrated and instead play this music.
Speaker 6: Yes, and it was like real weird off the wall music.
Speaker 5: One of the I think it was the drummer escaped
Speaker 5: during the recording sessions and he ended up I think
Speaker 5: he came back out of guilt or something.
Speaker 8: Oh my god.
Speaker 9: Not not only that, the bass player who also was
Speaker 9: the bass player for Zappa for a while. I can't
Speaker 9: remember his name right offhand, but he's actually a like
Speaker 9: a sexual predator, Like he's had cases against him since
Speaker 9: the seventies and I think he's even back in prison again.
Speaker 7: Well, he deserved to be dehydrated and maybe something.
Speaker 9: When he was a child, he was a child prodigy sculptor,
Speaker 9: and there was like a lot of mystery behind the
Speaker 9: teacher and everything, and they've actually there's actually been a
Speaker 9: lot of information that's come out about the guy that
Speaker 9: taught him how to scolpt when he was a little kid.
Speaker 9: And then he actually became really good friends with Zappa
Speaker 9: in high school and then he was in the Zappa
Speaker 9: Band and then he separated from that and started the
Speaker 9: beef Art Captain beef Art.
Speaker 5: Yeah, and wasn't Zappa kind of the main producer of
Speaker 5: his like launch into it.
Speaker 6: Yeah, he produced and that was Cooper. Yeah.
Speaker 5: I was just gonna say those were his two brand
Speaker 5: children really exactly.
Speaker 7: Yeah, didn't Zappa grow up Edge would Arsenal Well, that's.
Speaker 6: Where his dad worked.
Speaker 5: And funny because you get Morrison's dad at the Gulf
Speaker 5: of Tonken and then you have Zappa's dad making the
Speaker 5: chemical weapons that they were going to use.
Speaker 7: John Phillips dad farking I mean Jackson Brown's dad, and
Speaker 7: someone else that people forget about, John Denver, who is
Speaker 7: definitely Laurel Canyon, and his dad was some high up motherfucker.
Speaker 7: What was he a captain at Roswell Army Airfield? Yeah,
Speaker 7: Roswell literally, and then he goes on to be on
Speaker 7: the board of Governors for NASA for many years. He's
Speaker 7: responsible for the first citizens space flight that hit the Challenger.
Speaker 7: That's John Denver's fucking idea. And then it I mean,
Speaker 7: whether or not you believe those people actually died, it's
Speaker 7: just as fake as everything else that came out of
Speaker 7: the Laurel Canyon. But I mean John Denver was friends
Speaker 7: with Mama Cass and all of them. I mean, look,
Speaker 7: Denver was a sharpshooter during the Korean War. Thank you, Evanna.
Speaker 7: I didn't fucking know that. That is some good information
Speaker 7: to know.
Speaker 6: I never heard that either.
Speaker 1: I never heard that.
Speaker 5: Ros Another one, fucking Crosby was one of the more
Speaker 5: interesting ones to me because I think a lot of
Speaker 5: these guys were just like useful idiots. But then you
Speaker 5: had people at Crosby who probably had a hand and
Speaker 5: orchestrated the whole series.
Speaker 7: His family literally goes back to the Declaration of Independence.
Speaker 9: A pretty important character. He's I don't think maybe directly
Speaker 9: tied to Laurel Canyon. But but Bill Graham, the promoter,
Speaker 9: he had like the Phil Moore East, he had the
Speaker 9: Fillmore West. He was basically the guy that started the
Speaker 9: Grateful Dead. He started Santana, he started Quicksilver Messenger Service.
Speaker 9: All the San Francisco bands, Jimmie Hendricks, all the same stuff.
Speaker 4: So you see Rachel all those bands that you just mentioned.
Speaker 4: Though playing live, they are known for going into like
Speaker 4: weird jam sessions, all three of those. All those people do.
Speaker 7: But do you think it almost kind of like brain something?
Speaker 7: Oh for sure that they.
Speaker 1: Did underground did that too live?
Speaker 9: The acid test, the original acid tests where the Grateful
Speaker 9: Dead was just the house banned and they started up
Speaker 9: there in northern California. They worked their way down every
Speaker 9: basically every night to a different area where they got
Speaker 9: all the way down to Watts l A. And every
Speaker 9: night they just dripped acid and uh, they just had peep.
Speaker 9: It was just a house party. They would have like
Speaker 9: instruments laying around and microphones that would be everywhere, and
Speaker 9: people were encouraged to just like make noises and say
Speaker 9: all kinds of strange stuff.
Speaker 5: Yeah, I'll answer that last comment about the police, because.
Speaker 6: Yeah, it's uh yeah.
Speaker 5: The Copeland brothers and then I mean they all they
Speaker 5: had like three major record labels.
Speaker 6: It was the CIA, the Irs, and I don't remember
Speaker 6: the third one.
Speaker 5: But McGowan in his prologue as if maybe he was
Speaker 5: planning on doing a Laurel canyonesque out of the eighties,
Speaker 5: and the Copeland thing is huge. I think that one,
Speaker 5: like somebody should actually write that book because it's just
Speaker 5: as intriguing. I mean, Laurel Canyon formula never really stopped.
Speaker 5: I love to compare it to grunge because.
Speaker 6: The formula was the same.
Speaker 5: They tweaked it a little bit for the times. But yeah,
Speaker 5: the the Copeland thing is a really good tangent to
Speaker 5: look into. The other one was the FBI. I was
Speaker 5: going to say that, but I was like, fuck, I
Speaker 5: guess it was.
Speaker 7: The comments are on fire, and somebody cleared up that
Speaker 7: thing about John Dinver too. They said it was a rumor.
Speaker 5: It's like how mister Rogers had had all these kills
Speaker 5: and tats being I remember believing that I.
Speaker 7: Heard, well didn't but didn't. So we actually interviewed a guy,
Speaker 7: his name is John Gusty, and he said that John Denver.
Speaker 6: He takes his trans it's.
Speaker 7: Trans, that John Denver is a woman.
Speaker 6: Well, I'm not gonna I'm not gonna lie.
Speaker 5: The next time we had that plan, I don't remember
Speaker 5: what song it was, but I was like, I could
Speaker 5: easily be I'm not saying I believe it.
Speaker 7: He's small and he has small hands. I do love
Speaker 7: John Denver, though, did he say he said somebody else
Speaker 7: from the Laurel Canyon? Didn't he?
Speaker 6: He thinks a lot of people are trans.
Speaker 9: Maybe Grandpa, my grandpa. We said Rod Stewart was.
Speaker 6: Is he still alive? I was gonna say we should get.
Speaker 5: Him in on one of these damn it you folks.
Speaker 7: Was kind of small. Jackson Brown definitely could be trans
Speaker 7: and his dad was in the OSS, so he's a
Speaker 7: trans Nazis.
Speaker 4: What do you think, like overall, what do you think
Speaker 4: was the purpose of like Lower Canyon? Was that, like
Speaker 4: you think it was a bunch of different things going on.
Speaker 4: It was everything was tied into each other.
Speaker 7: Can I go first, I think that they were running
Speaker 7: the counterculture movement at the same time with the serial
Speaker 7: killer movement, because they the main the first serial killers
Speaker 7: came out of the sixties around the same time all
Speaker 7: this Laurel Canyon stuff was going down, and they were
Speaker 7: like forcing independence on women and telling him to get
Speaker 7: out there and go do stuff. And then at the
Speaker 7: same time there was people like Manson, Zodiac Ed Bundy
Speaker 7: just ripping and running through chicks, just literally slashing their way.
Speaker 8: Up and down the coast.
Speaker 7: And so it was like a mixing of different cultures.
Speaker 7: It's a five layer burrito, okay, countercultures. At the bottom,
Speaker 7: it's the rice and then the beef is uh programmed
Speaker 7: to kill, right with the serial killers. But then there's
Speaker 7: other layers, right like the nacho cheese, and you keep going.
Speaker 7: But I think it's it was just part of like
Speaker 7: a multi layered psychological operation because they affect the culture
Speaker 7: and then it's so easy. It's like Colby said, they
Speaker 7: just repeated it throughout time with new serial killers and
Speaker 7: new music scenes. So it was like the eighties and
Speaker 7: then the nineties with like Nirvana and shit, and they
Speaker 7: just get new people to play these same archetypal characters,
Speaker 7: and they just keep like upping it every time.
Speaker 8: Go ahead, honey, what do you think?
Speaker 5: Well, I think it is a layer of things you
Speaker 5: got to talk about, like Gordon Wasson going down to
Speaker 5: Mexico with the Time magazine article. The same time timis
Speaker 5: with Timothy Layer. He's doing his thing coming out of
Speaker 5: Hartford with the LSD stuff. He admitted he was a
Speaker 5: CIA guy like way before he died. And then you
Speaker 5: got to take into the Bay areas going on around
Speaker 5: then too. It was like, yeah, you can control culture,
Speaker 5: but you don't really control culture unless you control the
Speaker 5: counter culture.
Speaker 6: And the best way to control it is to create it.
Speaker 6: And it's just I mean the Hegelian dialectic divide and conquer.
Speaker 5: It's I don't think there's like one easy way to
Speaker 5: just wrap it up in a sentence.
Speaker 7: Well, it went from like literally like buddy Holly to
Speaker 7: fucking who has canos?
Speaker 6: You're talking about your.
Speaker 2: Oh?
Speaker 7: Yes, Well, you know something else that people don't talk
Speaker 7: about in relation to the Laurel Canyon is that with
Speaker 7: the serial killer movement thing with Manson coming out of California,
Speaker 7: Zodiac coming out of California, there's also the fucking Black Dahlia,
Speaker 7: which isn't necessarily part of the sixties.
Speaker 8: Oh, Lisa, you know about this, right, Yeah?
Speaker 10: So the so the whole forty seven nineteen forty seven,
Speaker 10: you know Roswell, you have a switchover from OSSSCIA, You
Speaker 10: have the creation of the Air Force Division of the military.
Speaker 10: You also have Croley dying in December. The main event
Speaker 10: that's been in forty seven at the very beginning was
Speaker 10: in January was.
Speaker 12: The Black Dahlia death.
Speaker 10: It kicked it all off, and I think it was
Speaker 10: one of the most publicized deaths and almost like a
Speaker 10: traumatizing way to traumatize the public was that.
Speaker 7: And if you look into who was probably responsible for that,
Speaker 7: it does go back to the Laurel Canyon because because
Speaker 7: the Hodel guy, right, George Hodell, his daughter later became
Speaker 7: friends with Michelle Phillips right from the Mamas and the Papas.
Speaker 7: So it does tie back to Laurel Canyon. But I mean, okay,
Speaker 7: I feel like if there's anything that's like CIA or
Speaker 7: you need to look into it some more, it'll be
Speaker 7: on an episode of Ghost Adventures. And fucking Nick knows
Speaker 7: this because we talk about it all the time. If
Speaker 7: you want to know some sketchy ass shit, Zach Began's
Speaker 7: will show up with a freaking EMF detector. And he
Speaker 7: went to George Hodell's house in the Laurel Canyon and
Speaker 7: was like, oh, he was incestuous with his daughter and
Speaker 7: all that, And I'm like, of course he shows up there,
Speaker 7: like that's perfect, but I do think that it was
Speaker 7: probably him, and he was incestuous with his daughter. A
Speaker 7: lot of the weirdos out of the Laurel Canyon were
Speaker 7: incestuous with their daughters. John Phillips was apparently, Frank Zappa
Speaker 7: was doing weird stuff with his clothes, and there was
Speaker 7: another one am I forgetting.
Speaker 6: Oh there's many and.
Speaker 7: They were all just running train on their own kids.
Speaker 7: The Oh no, wait, no, that was.
Speaker 9: The hotel he would he would even let like when
Speaker 9: he had house parties like the like celebrities and stuff,
Speaker 9: have sech with his daughter and everything, and then the
Speaker 9: house was like a Mayan.
Speaker 7: Temple yep, yep, and so the.
Speaker 9: And she was like that. Ties into the house, they
Speaker 9: found like the black Doahia's body, like in the same
Speaker 9: kind of concrete bags that they had at the house
Speaker 9: that was used during construction.
Speaker 7: I don't know what this comment is about the Layton family.
Speaker 7: If you read Dave McGowan's blog, there's a whole section
Speaker 7: just on the black Dahlia. And after you read that,
Speaker 7: after you see the evidence, I doubt you'll you'll think
Speaker 7: it's anybody but the Hodell family. And also she got
Speaker 7: pregnant by her father and that kid is still alive.
Speaker 7: And you know that the brother of I think her
Speaker 7: name was Tamar, wasn't it, yes, Maar Hodell. Yeah, her
Speaker 7: brother wrote, has written books and done interviews and he
Speaker 7: apparently they were doing ritualism in that house. I mean,
Speaker 7: it wasn't just a black dahlia. They were like cutting
Speaker 7: bitches up and the basement and stuff.
Speaker 9: Well, doctor Hodell, that's what he did. He did illegal abortions.
Speaker 9: That was part of what he did. It was like
Speaker 9: a thing he couldn't even do then, but he did
Speaker 9: him illegally for celebrities.
Speaker 7: And they wait a second, So that's American Horne murder House.
Speaker 5: I was going to say, thrashcan can finished talking without
Speaker 5: Julia talking about American horror story, because yeah, it's the
Speaker 5: Matt Rock character in season one is supposed.
Speaker 2: To be him.
Speaker 6: I mean, it's George Odell's supposed to see.
Speaker 7: I told you guys, we're living in the most interesting
Speaker 7: season of American horse Story. We're living in a conglomeration
Speaker 7: of all the seasons put together. And I will stand
Speaker 7: by that until damn dead.
Speaker 1: Well.
Speaker 6: Yeah, if you throw some black Mirror in there too.
Speaker 8: Black mirror slash American horror story, Yeah.
Speaker 1: It would be pretty point.
Speaker 7: Nick, Who is your favorite out of the Laurel Canyon?
Speaker 7: Though I have not ever heard you.
Speaker 1: Say, I don't think I really have one.
Speaker 7: Tell you the truth, like, get in to head right now,
Speaker 7: you have to pick one artist out of the Laurel
Speaker 7: Canyon to listen to until you're dead.
Speaker 4: Ooh, man might actually go with the Dead who grateful Dead?
Speaker 1: Oh?
Speaker 6: Well, they were in the bay.
Speaker 7: But I mean you have to pick canyons so it
Speaker 7: can be like Morrison, Mama's and the Papas.
Speaker 8: Who else?
Speaker 6: The Turtles?
Speaker 7: Yeah, the Turtles.
Speaker 8: David Kross Crosby.
Speaker 6: Stills in Nash Hendricks kind of was around the scene.
Speaker 6: The birds love Eric Clapton.
Speaker 1: He probably just take Eric Clapton.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I love you got.
Speaker 1: What's what's his deal over there?
Speaker 6: That guy's story is weird.
Speaker 11: Well, he that's where his kid died, right, He lived
Speaker 11: up there at that time, and he was totally tied
Speaker 11: in with the monkeys and all of them, like all
Speaker 11: of them were tight. They all have pictures together.
Speaker 8: Who was Graham Parsons with.
Speaker 9: The Flying Burrito Brothers?
Speaker 7: I think is Graham Parsons.
Speaker 9: Yeah, And he died in the town that I grew
Speaker 9: up in when I was a little kid. My grandpa
Speaker 9: like built a house there and everything. Yeah, and he
Speaker 9: died in that hotel there.
Speaker 7: And Zach Began's Ghost Adventures and there's.
Speaker 9: A Ghost Adventures episode I was gonna say at that hotel.
Speaker 7: Yeah, I'm telling you, I'm telling you. And isn't there
Speaker 7: like that weird story where they took Graham's body and
Speaker 7: they like buried it on.
Speaker 9: The soul by.
Speaker 5: They made a really good movie that with what's the
Speaker 5: fucking jack ass guy's name?
Speaker 6: So yeah, yeah.
Speaker 9: Yeah, grand theft Parsons, I think is that's.
Speaker 6: What it is to me?
Speaker 5: Like she keeps talking about how this is all like
Speaker 5: keeping the story alive. So I would have to say,
Speaker 5: Ghost Adventures just another way.
Speaker 6: That they keep these legends going. Oh for sure, I
Speaker 6: don't know.
Speaker 7: We talked about it when we cover Jeffrey Dahmer, because
Speaker 7: I said he'll show up at Jeffrey's apartment and I
Speaker 7: was like, oh, no, he can't because they burnt it down.
Speaker 7: They built a playground there. So it's it's just funny
Speaker 7: how he shows up at these places that like, how
Speaker 7: does he know about the Literally the he goes to
Speaker 7: the hotel where Grand Parsons dies. He went to Kenneth
Speaker 7: Anger's old house and interviewed Kenneth Anger, did you guys
Speaker 7: thrash did you get out there?
Speaker 9: Yeah? Yeah, yeah, and they like shoved the lion claw
Speaker 9: marks that were like at the mansion when Levey owned
Speaker 9: the lion and yeah, yeah and they did. They did
Speaker 9: like an investigation like in one of the rooms where
Speaker 9: they did one of the rituals and everything.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 9: Angers like just all talking about summoning demons and everything
Speaker 9: right on the episode. Yeah, literally, I don't Lucifer Jacket.
Speaker 9: It is Lucifer Jacke.
Speaker 7: What channel did they play Ghost Adventures on? Is it
Speaker 7: like TLC or some shit like.
Speaker 9: That travel channel?
Speaker 7: Your travel travel channel? That's what people They literally are
Speaker 7: just clicking around on TV and freaking Kenneth Anger pops
Speaker 7: up with this Lucifer Jacket talking about summing demons. Yeah.
Speaker 7: Literally that so. But Kenneth Anger is a whole other
Speaker 7: aspect of the can you know, because he uh wasn't
Speaker 7: the Rolling Stones and they were going to do some
Speaker 7: project with him or something like that.
Speaker 5: Yeah, And I mean he's heavily tied in with a
Speaker 5: lot of the Manson people.
Speaker 9: Well, there's even rumored that the original guitar player of
Speaker 9: the Rolling Stones, Yeah, that he was doing a black
Speaker 9: magic ritual and I don't think he finished it and
Speaker 9: they found him like drowned in the pool.
Speaker 8: Yep, that is true.
Speaker 7: And then I guess if we're talking about the Stones,
Speaker 7: we should bring up the Uh.
Speaker 8: It's in the book, right. The Altamont Park.
Speaker 6: I don't know.
Speaker 5: This one to me is one where everybody just argues
Speaker 5: about what went.
Speaker 6: Down that day, Like I think we got into some
Speaker 6: hot water. Last time we talked about it. In the video,
Speaker 6: I never did see it.
Speaker 9: Yeah, there's a video, and you can see the whole
Speaker 9: thing go down between the Hell's Angel and Uh there's
Speaker 9: like a black dude. I think he has a knife
Speaker 9: and you can see pull No, I think he pulls
Speaker 9: out a gun and then the Hell's Angel pulls out
Speaker 9: like a k bar and you can they just they
Speaker 9: just they just get into a whole fight right there
Speaker 9: in the crowd. And there's like a whole story of
Speaker 9: one of the Hell's Angels named Animal. He would wear
Speaker 9: like a fox he had like a fox head he
Speaker 9: would wear and uh, you can see him actually instigating
Speaker 9: something like he takes like, ah, like a billy club
Speaker 9: or something and jab somebody. They were like messing with
Speaker 9: the band of Jefferson Airplane. It was just like chaos
Speaker 9: from all all day. Like the Hell's Angels were just
Speaker 9: bullying people around. You can see you can watch on
Speaker 9: video where like Animal he's like bullying people and like
Speaker 9: smacking crowd members and just because they're getting a little
Speaker 9: too close to the stage.
Speaker 6: And yeah, and the Rolling Stones hired them as security.
Speaker 9: Yeah why would yeah, yeah, why would you.
Speaker 6: Look Like there's the Hunter S. Thompson thing.
Speaker 5: There's a Bundye victim that was supposedly taken away by
Speaker 5: Hell's Angels from like a big picnic. These guys always
Speaker 5: kind of have there just.
Speaker 6: In the background.
Speaker 9: And the Ascettachs they were directly involved at the too, And.
Speaker 5: I mean and they did do a lot of black,
Speaker 5: black market drug dealing back then too, Like they definitely
Speaker 5: had connections to Wait and.
Speaker 2: All started by ex military. They were patches just like
Speaker 2: the military.
Speaker 9: I mean named after the squadron the Hell's Angels.
Speaker 8: What squadron?
Speaker 9: It was an Air Force squadron named the Hells Angels,
Speaker 9: and that's what they.
Speaker 2: Named their.
Speaker 9: All.
Speaker 11: All the major biker gangs have ties from the Vietnam War.
Speaker 11: They come back. A lot of them were started there
Speaker 11: and the original ones were started to World War two
Speaker 11: because they would learn how to ride motorcycles over there
Speaker 11: and then it became available.
Speaker 7: So what's Hybrid and Parsons Laurel Canyon decade.
Speaker 5: Well, I mean that was earlier, but still it's it's
Speaker 5: around the time Lisa was talking about nineteen forty seven.
Speaker 6: That era, like a lot of big things going on there.
Speaker 5: I do think that scientology and its naval intelligence connection
Speaker 5: can't be overlooked if we're talking about how.
Speaker 9: The Laurel Kanayan ties in direct I'm sorry, but the
Speaker 9: Laurel Canyan ties in directly to Jack Parsons and the
Speaker 9: Oto lodge he was a part of, which is called
Speaker 9: the Agafe Lodge in California, and there's evidence that Charles
Speaker 9: Manson was Actually there's some weird stuff where they hired
Speaker 9: them to break into the lodge to get a bunch
Speaker 9: of files and documents because there was like a like
Speaker 9: an argument between Israel Regardi and the other person that
Speaker 9: was running the lodge at the.
Speaker 2: Time, m.
Speaker 9: And they had the Mansions dude like creepy crawl into
Speaker 9: the lodge and it was in Death Valley. And then
Speaker 9: there's all kinds. There's a weird story that ties into
Speaker 9: that lodge called the Boy in the Box.
Speaker 7: I was just gonna see there was a boy that
Speaker 7: was locked in a box somewhere and they were somehow
Speaker 7: able to Okay.
Speaker 8: So you know that story good?
Speaker 9: Yeah. Yeah, he was locked in a box at the
Speaker 9: lodge and supposedly they were like using him for ritual
Speaker 9: and stuff, and they found him chained up and he
Speaker 9: had just like a bowl of water and like some food.
Speaker 7: Yeah, and I'm pretty sure they said like they weren't.
Speaker 7: He was just like pisson and shitting all over himself
Speaker 7: in the box. And it was a lot like how
Speaker 7: they talk about the kids at Presidio Air Force Base.
Speaker 7: They were getting pissed on and shipped on and like
Speaker 7: that's one of the main things if you look for
Speaker 7: satanism is like kids getting literally pissed and shipped on
Speaker 7: and some I think it was actually in McGowan's blog
Speaker 7: about this kid that was locked in the box. I
Speaker 7: can't remember all the details, like rash it was.
Speaker 9: He had a whole chapter on it directly with the
Speaker 9: Laurel Canyon and like Manson and then some some band.
Speaker 4: That uh, you know, not to get back to, like
Speaker 4: the piston ship stuff, but that didn't come up. That
Speaker 4: did come up that they come up in one of
Speaker 4: pull Bonacci's story that to him. But the chick I
Speaker 4: forgot the girl that he was with a lot. They
Speaker 4: had both left one time. I think they actually got
Speaker 4: into a plane and went somewhere and they both got
Speaker 4: split apart. Yeah, when she came back into the car
Speaker 4: to get back into the riot, I mean he said
Speaker 4: she was covered in just piston ship.
Speaker 7: Well, and I think that's where isn't that the story
Speaker 7: where Hunter S.
Speaker 8: Thompson gets involved.
Speaker 7: Is he king?
Speaker 9: I mean he's he was.
Speaker 5: He'd spent a lot of time in the Bay and
Speaker 5: la But yeah, the Bonazzi stuff about him and McGowan
Speaker 5: was convinced that Hunter s Thompson was one of the
Speaker 5: bad ones. I listened to an interview where you can
Speaker 5: just hear the heartbreak in his voice, and I feel
Speaker 5: the same way. Like that one's kind of hard to swallow.
Speaker 2: Yeah, Hunter s Thompson, he's no good.
Speaker 5: I mean, yeah, I mean the more I look into,
Speaker 5: the more I don't want any but I can't stop.
Speaker 6: We're actually going to do a huge episode on him.
Speaker 9: He's literally the model Nightmare neighbor. He's literally just like
Speaker 9: taking his forty four and just like unloading it at
Speaker 9: the neighbor and running a sheriff. Yeah, griff and shaved
Speaker 9: his head and he had like the what was it
Speaker 9: the peyote button logo for the sheriff.
Speaker 11: Well that's another up there is in Aspen, Aspen and Boulder,
Speaker 11: they're connected and they have the same kind of thing.
Speaker 11: Glenn Fry from the Eagles was up there and a
Speaker 11: lot of weird stuff like that, like he had a
Speaker 11: pass from a lot to do whatever he wanted to
Speaker 11: do up there.
Speaker 5: And yeah, and Bill Murray and Brian Doyle Murray were
Speaker 5: hanging out with Hunter S Thompson quite a bit too,
Speaker 5: so that sucks.
Speaker 7: That really sucks. I love Bill Murray Kolby told me
Speaker 7: that he.
Speaker 6: Sucked his cat Hunter s Thompson.
Speaker 5: So, do you guys know this story about the Screwjack
Speaker 5: post huge?
Speaker 8: My gosh, you.
Speaker 7: Guys are gonna fuck throw Well.
Speaker 6: So, like I said, I was a huge Hunter S.
Speaker 6: Thompson fan.
Speaker 5: I read everything I could get my hands on. And
Speaker 5: not long after he died, they published this like collection
Speaker 5: of short stories called Screwjack. And you all know about
Speaker 5: how he kind of, oh, this is fiction, but is
Speaker 5: it with fear and loathing and all that.
Speaker 6: I mean, he knows that he has.
Speaker 5: To claim that it's satire, but it's a first person
Speaker 5: account about him fucking his cat.
Speaker 6: And I read that and just kind of does the
Speaker 6: cats on the cover the cats on the cover of
Speaker 6: the book too.
Speaker 7: Yeah, And it's a cute cat. I've seen a million
Speaker 7: cats just like that.
Speaker 8: It's a little black.
Speaker 7: Yeah. Do you believe it?
Speaker 11: Though?
Speaker 6: No, I can't. I gotta wonder.
Speaker 11: As far as as far as counterculture, I mean who
Speaker 11: he was huge in drugs and especially the Hell's Angel,
Speaker 11: Like he broadcasted that and made it popular so that
Speaker 11: whole counterculture movement would and The Hell's Angels wouldn't be
Speaker 11: nearly as popular if you didn't write that book and
Speaker 11: show up on that TV show where the one.
Speaker 5: Yeah, and let's not forget that Adrena Chrome was published
Speaker 5: in a nineteen seventy two novel where you know, it
Speaker 5: kind of faded away.
Speaker 6: We didn't really know about it.
Speaker 5: I mean, you can look into the history of it
Speaker 5: and it's all pretty credible. But then he brought it
Speaker 5: into mainstream culture, and then again with the movie in
Speaker 5: the nineties with Johnny Depp.
Speaker 6: I mean that I.
Speaker 9: Remember being a kid and I used to be obsessed
Speaker 9: with looking up different drugs for some reason. I would
Speaker 9: look up every drug possible and what they did and everything.
Speaker 9: And I remember watching Fear and Loathing in Las Vegas
Speaker 9: and here, oh, what's that one? Let me read that
Speaker 9: one up. And I remember looking it up on like
Speaker 9: eroid dot org or whatever. Nice And there was a
Speaker 9: lot of interesting stuff back then. It was like two
Speaker 9: thousand and five, two thousand and six, and then like
Speaker 9: a lot of that disappeared.
Speaker 7: What did it say?
Speaker 9: Just all kinds of stuff like the different doctors and
Speaker 9: alkaloids and like different experiments that are We're done with
Speaker 9: it and everything real kinds of detailed information. Yeah, and
Speaker 9: then it would also say that it's mainly only was
Speaker 9: talked about in that book, and that's was like where
Speaker 9: it was first heard of really in the public.
Speaker 8: Mm hmm.
Speaker 7: Well, I think if we're going to talk Laurel Canyon stuff,
Speaker 7: we should also mention actors from the Laurel Canyon, because
Speaker 7: I don't think we did that last time we covered
Speaker 7: the canyon, did we.
Speaker 6: I think we skimmed it a little bit.
Speaker 8: I think I have a list, go ahead as you look.
Speaker 12: As you look up a list.
Speaker 10: I wanted to kind of mention something that about Frank Zappa.
Speaker 10: I don't know if if y'all have already mentioned this before,
Speaker 10: but did y'all know about his dad, Frank Zappa's dad M.
Speaker 12: Edward Arsenal Yep, yep.
Speaker 10: And so he he actually was like a metallurgist for
Speaker 10: lockeed and Convet Aircraft corporations as well. And during this
Speaker 10: time that's when Edgewood was also affiliated with.
Speaker 12: Mk oh I'm sure one time, and they were running
Speaker 12: Elis experiments at the same time.
Speaker 10: So it's just pretty interesting that you have that and
Speaker 10: that you have Frank Zappa kind of show up and
Speaker 10: then this whole psychedelic scene. But the other thing is
Speaker 10: Zappa's wife was also intelligence, so she came from a
Speaker 10: long line of intelligence people as well. And then you know,
Speaker 10: you go down the whole list of I think it
Speaker 10: was like his manager. If you already mentioned this, I apologize.
Speaker 10: He was like a gun runner in the Caribbean.
Speaker 7: I mean, just what was his name? His manager for Cohen? Yeah,
Speaker 7: I do remember that from the book Her Cohen. And
Speaker 7: there wasn't there another one though, a Rothschild.
Speaker 5: Though Paul Rothschild apparently discovered them. Think he was Electure records.
Speaker 9: But Frank Zappa, he even claimed, like when his dad
Speaker 9: worked at Edgewood Arsenal and they were there, that he
Speaker 9: had horrible problems breathing and he had horrible coughing problems
Speaker 9: and stuff like that. And then when they moved to California,
Speaker 9: a lot of that cleared up. But then famously, Frank
Speaker 9: Zappa died horribly of cancer.
Speaker 8: Ain'tus cancer, yeah, ainus cancer, yeah, yep.
Speaker 6: So was he breathing through his assent?
Speaker 7: He was doing all kinds of stuff with his ass
Speaker 7: If you ask me, everybody.
Speaker 10: Weren't wasn't wasn't this where they were developing all the
Speaker 10: nerve gases saren and orange and all that other stuff
Speaker 10: to be later used in Vietnam. This was at that time.
Speaker 7: Yeah, my notes say that his dad was the head
Speaker 7: of operation what is this chemical Warfare and mk ultra
Speaker 7: operations at the experiment will Edgewood Arsenal facility. That's what
Speaker 7: I have in my notes. But you were talking about
Speaker 7: his wife, and actually John Phillip's wife was a direct
Speaker 7: descendant of President John Adams, And uh, I think his
Speaker 7: John Phillips's sister was a career employee of the Pentagon.
Speaker 7: And so yeah, I mean, all these guys, it's like,
Speaker 7: and I said about Crosby earlier, like his family tree
Speaker 7: goes back to like signers of the Declaration of Independence,
Speaker 7: high ranking Mason's people were paying to like have his baby,
Speaker 7: weren't they like please nut inside me, please nut inside me.
Speaker 8: But I don't, I mean, I don't know what's going
Speaker 8: on with.
Speaker 12: Them and the whole my whole point.
Speaker 10: And I know everybody said this already, I know in
Speaker 10: every Laurel Canyon stuff they keep saying this. But if
Speaker 10: if you have a bunch of military brats, right, because
Speaker 10: that's what they were, and they don't move to an
Speaker 10: area where it's an Air Force base Lookout Mountain, and
Speaker 10: then you have all of these I don't know ops
Speaker 10: coming out of Lookout Mountain that were influencing the culture.
Speaker 10: I think they just diversified their portfolio, like Nick said, well,
Speaker 10: manipulating society.
Speaker 11: So and part of the book is, so back then
Speaker 11: almost everybody or there was a good percentage chance that
Speaker 11: you were going to get drafted. And whether you made
Speaker 11: it or not through the medical and all that, that's
Speaker 11: another thing. But at least being drafted huge likelihood. And
Speaker 11: he went through and none of the people in Laurel
Speaker 11: Canyon got drafted. So it seems like these high ranking
Speaker 11: people found you know, creative ways of getting their kids
Speaker 11: not to get slaughtered.
Speaker 7: Or maybe they were drafted but in different capacity, you
Speaker 7: know what I mean, Like they were drafted, but they
Speaker 7: were carrying out a different operation and.
Speaker 9: They were very useful.
Speaker 7: Yeah, yeah, yeah, they were very useful. So there was
Speaker 7: no way that they were going to like ship them
Speaker 7: off somewhere. They were doing a great job here.
Speaker 8: You know, at home.
Speaker 9: Well remember they did that with Elvis. They had him
Speaker 9: all dressed up in the military and army and everything,
Speaker 9: And then they did that with Jimmy Hendricks as well.
Speaker 8: That's true.
Speaker 2: And Elvis was literally an agent.
Speaker 11: He was a DA agent and and people go through
Speaker 11: these books and they're like, Oh, it's just you know,
Speaker 11: some goofy thing he did because he has that much clout.
Speaker 11: But he was deputized in like several agencies.
Speaker 7: I mean, so, isn't that where he met Priscilla too?
Speaker 7: In Germany?
Speaker 6: I'm not sure.
Speaker 9: No, isn't that like Priscilla like his like this by
Speaker 9: the way, Yeah, I think she.
Speaker 6: I think she was even younger than that when the courtship.
Speaker 7: He was thirteen when the courtship began, but I swear
Speaker 7: he was. He met her while he was overseas. I
Speaker 7: want to say it brought her back.
Speaker 9: She came.
Speaker 6: I think he came home on leave or something.
Speaker 8: And Metricill.
Speaker 6: I mean, it's a story.
Speaker 8: I don't know. I covered it a long time ago.
Speaker 7: But actually I was going to have you tell your
Speaker 7: theory about Jack Nicholson.
Speaker 5: Oh well, I think that Jack Nicholson, he's got one
Speaker 5: of the most intriguing stories out of any of the
Speaker 5: Hollywood guys to come out. Yeah, but he's because he
Speaker 5: was definitely kind of not huge when he was doing
Speaker 5: his acting in the beginning. And the story is is
Speaker 5: that he decided to become more of a producer and
Speaker 5: then Rip Torn had a schedule conflict when they were
Speaker 5: doing Easy Writer, and so they got Nicholson and then
Speaker 5: that role helped him blow up. But his story is
Speaker 5: so similar to Ted Bundy's, like with him being raised
Speaker 5: by a grandmother that he thinks is his mother and
Speaker 5: his sister is actually his mom.
Speaker 6: No certificate, no birth certificate.
Speaker 5: But we were covering Ted Bundy and ever since, you know,
Speaker 5: probably like the last five years or so, when I've started.
Speaker 6: To think a lot of this stuff is just bullshit.
Speaker 6: Stage syops.
Speaker 5: I thought there was an interview with Ted Bundy. I
Speaker 5: think it was in Colorado, and I swear it to
Speaker 5: Jack Nicholson.
Speaker 8: Yeah, I think it's compelling.
Speaker 6: It's it.
Speaker 9: Did you ever see the movie psych Out with Jack Nicholson.
Speaker 5: Is that one of the like the ones he made
Speaker 5: with Fonda and Dennis Hopper.
Speaker 6: Before they did Easy Writer?
Speaker 9: And Yeah, it's like it's like a it's like an
Speaker 9: acid movie through the whole thing.
Speaker 5: Yeah, they kind of worked their way up to Easy Writer,
Speaker 5: which to me, I love Easy Writer.
Speaker 6: That was one of my favorite movies.
Speaker 9: Then he also he also did a biker movie too.
Speaker 7: Yeah, wasn't that Easy Rider.
Speaker 9: No, I mean not a different one if it's almost
Speaker 9: like Hell's Angels kind of thing. Really it was called
Speaker 9: Hell's Angels.
Speaker 8: Maybe I don't.
Speaker 6: Remember he played the Joker too, shit, Oh.
Speaker 9: Yeah he did.
Speaker 7: I think Jack Nicholson is probably one of the most
Speaker 7: well known out of the list. I mean maybe my
Speaker 7: list is Jack Nicholson, Warren Bady, Dennis Hopper, Peter Fonda, Salminio,
Speaker 7: and James Deen. Which there's a whole thing about James
Speaker 7: Dean too. I can't remember what it is though he
Speaker 7: was gay, right and.
Speaker 6: Was he gay? I know Montgomery Cliffs.
Speaker 7: I remember reading something in McAllen rock Hudson was gay.
Speaker 6: I mean maybe they all were.
Speaker 8: There and they're gay together.
Speaker 6: But yeah, the list is. But you got to throw
Speaker 6: Roman Plansky in there one hundred. He's not an actor.
Speaker 7: But you should also didn't say your theory about the
Speaker 7: the Tate murders being staged.
Speaker 5: Oh yeah, I've just come to the point where I
Speaker 5: think a lot of these things never really happened, and
Speaker 5: the Lobbyanco ones.
Speaker 6: I think probably get overlooked a lot just because of
Speaker 6: the you know, the scope of the Tate killings. But
Speaker 6: I don't know.
Speaker 5: I can't be convinced after reading everything about Laurel Canyon
Speaker 5: and who her dad was and the way they blew
Speaker 5: it up. It's kind of like how I also don't
Speaker 5: think the West Memphis three thing even is real. It
Speaker 5: just seems like they take these moments in time to
Speaker 5: really shift everything. And I really don't think they would
Speaker 5: have to kill anybody.
Speaker 6: Oftentimes.
Speaker 7: You think it was like a Hollywood stage, Like.
Speaker 5: I mean, Hollywood is CIA, CIA is Hollywood.
Speaker 6: Throw Disney in there.
Speaker 5: Lad Sharon Tate's I don't remember if what branch of
Speaker 5: the military he was, but he kind of came in
Speaker 5: and just took over after it happened. And I mean,
Speaker 5: they just all the stuff they found that the Polanski
Speaker 5: household it if she is dead.
Speaker 6: I mean, I'm kind of on the fence about it.
Speaker 6: But if I had to.
Speaker 5: Say, you know, life or death, situation gunned to head,
Speaker 5: I would say that they staged a lot of it. Yeah,
Speaker 5: and the Polansky Nicholson connection is huge too, and that's
Speaker 5: whose house the hot tub incident happened with the girl,
Speaker 5: you know, the whole reason they had to extradite him,
Speaker 5: and or not extradite but move him over to France.
Speaker 5: And so a lot of the Hollywood stuff really goes
Speaker 5: overlooked when we talk about Laurel Canyon just because the
Speaker 5: music scenes huge way easier to get.
Speaker 6: Kind of engulfed in.
Speaker 5: But a lot of the stuff that is the darkest
Speaker 5: was gone on with the movie stars.
Speaker 11: Yeah, but Lookout Mountain had stated the art equipment, that's
Speaker 11: where they were filming nuclear films, right for the nuclear blasts, and.
Speaker 7: That's what they said officially. I think they were doing
Speaker 7: a lot of stuff unofficially that will never know about.
Speaker 6: They say that's where they like developed the film.
Speaker 7: Okay, then why did Marilyn Monroe have tops?
Speaker 6: Well what he's saying. I always thought that those things
Speaker 6: looked like a model.
Speaker 8: Yeah, they look fake and game.
Speaker 5: And that's where they're probably filming all that type of thing, right,
Speaker 5: And like, if Kubrick really did film the moon landing,
Speaker 5: if it was him or somebody else that look Out
Speaker 5: that's probably where they would have done it.
Speaker 7: I mean, Marilyn Monroe, she was one of the astronauts
Speaker 7: Frank Sinatra, Right, yeah, Frank Sinatra, high Tops parents.
Speaker 9: Well, I don't know why I'm blanking. Oh Seabring, J Sebring.
Speaker 9: I brought it up last time, but you have to
Speaker 9: watch the j Sebring documentary. It's interesting.
Speaker 7: Where can we find it?
Speaker 9: It was just on Amazon when it came out, and
Speaker 9: I think I readed it for like two or three bucks.
Speaker 7: It's just called jas or what.
Speaker 9: Yeah, it's just about it's about him. It's a it's
Speaker 9: pretty interesting, but they it. It has the lawyer and everything,
Speaker 9: and it kind of talks about he was saying that
Speaker 9: Sharon was trying to divorce Polanski and that she was
Speaker 9: trying to get back with Seabring, And it's pretty interesting.
Speaker 9: I found it interesting anyway. But the only problem again,
Speaker 9: it just adds to the case. You're like, oh my gosh,
Speaker 9: now here's this.
Speaker 7: Yeah, right, I know, But isn't Jay c. Bring the
Speaker 7: one that used to cut Jim Morrison's hair? Jase?
Speaker 6: I mean he was the.
Speaker 9: Sinatra Sinatra, Sammy Davis, Uh yeah, all those people, almost
Speaker 9: anybody that what's his what's his name? Steve McQueen was
Speaker 9: like his best friend.
Speaker 6: M M.
Speaker 7: Was Natalie Wood, Laurel Canyon. I mean I think like
Speaker 7: Laurel Canyon adjacent definitely, because I know she was tight
Speaker 7: with Warren Batty. Who is Laurel Canyon, and that I
Speaker 7: did an episode a long time ago on like how
Speaker 7: weird her death was too, because well.
Speaker 5: A lot of people watched Once upon a Time in
Speaker 5: Hollywood with the Brad Pitt out on the boat with
Speaker 5: the harpoon thing and maybe killed his wife. That that
Speaker 5: was a nod to Natalie Wood, rightuation.
Speaker 7: I didn't know that, but I mean, yeah, there's a
Speaker 7: lot of suspicious, weird stuff about what happened to her,
Speaker 7: because wasn't.
Speaker 9: Who was on the boat, right, Yeah, I can't remember
Speaker 9: the other her husband and they got in an argument
Speaker 9: or something. She hadn't hung out with Christopher walking all
Speaker 9: day or something.
Speaker 7: Yeah, that's what it was, and he was on the boat.
Speaker 7: I do remember that, but gosh, I wish I could
Speaker 7: remember from that episode. But there was like even like
Speaker 7: a witness or something that saw her like in the
Speaker 7: water screaming for help and nobody would throw her a floaty.
Speaker 7: I mean, she couldn't swim, so but I couldn't remember
Speaker 7: if she was Laurel Canyon or like Laurel Canyon adjacent.
Speaker 6: I mean I think that McGowan does bring her up
Speaker 6: in the book.
Speaker 8: He also brings up Phil Hartman too.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 5: Phil Hartman's an interesting one just because of I don't
Speaker 5: remember exactly what he was doing, but he ended up
Speaker 5: being like the guy who designed a lot of the logos, right, Yeah,
Speaker 5: did some album cover artwork.
Speaker 8: He came up with Crosby Stills in Nash logo.
Speaker 5: Yeah, and I think his death is really suspicious. I
Speaker 5: used to just buy the story.
Speaker 7: But his wife shot him.
Speaker 5: Yeah, I mean I heard someone talking about it once
Speaker 5: and then when they said that she used to step
Speaker 5: down to kill herself, then she used to kill him.
Speaker 5: That right there was like, okay, you got to look
Speaker 5: into this one. There's a lot of fucker your foot
Speaker 5: on that one. And he was around all these guys
Speaker 5: when he was really young.
Speaker 7: Yeah, And I can't remember where what part of the block.
Speaker 7: I think it was like on the last page or something.
Speaker 7: He talks about like Phil Hartman and some people who
Speaker 7: were like distantly related to the Canyon. I think that's
Speaker 7: when Natalie Wood comes up. But I mean, I feel
Speaker 7: like I've asked everybody except for Mike and Thrash who
Speaker 7: their favorite Laurel Canyon people. Did I ask you, Lisa,
Speaker 7: you did, I did ask your favorite and you.
Speaker 10: Said yes, I said, I mean I like them, yes,
Speaker 10: But I think, like I said, Joni Mitchell, right, Yeah,
Speaker 10: that's what she said, because he really talks about them.
Speaker 10: They're kind of in the background, probably watching it all happen.
Speaker 2: You know, Eric Clapton all day. For me, I love
Speaker 2: Eric Clapton.
Speaker 7: Is that what Nick landed on to?
Speaker 1: I think so yes.
Speaker 9: That leaves Thrash Well, it's it's either Frank Zappa or
Speaker 9: Jim Morrison, like I feel, but I have more Jim
Speaker 9: Morrison books, but I feel like I'm more into Frank
Speaker 9: Zappa's music. I feel like Frank Zappa actually said a
Speaker 9: lot with his music, like he was kind of exposing
Speaker 9: a lot of MK ulture and stuff in my opinion,
Speaker 9: even though he was still kind of a garbage guy.
Speaker 7: Hm hmmm, yeah, what was it?
Speaker 8: Mothers of invention?
Speaker 9: But he started he like gave like so many good
Speaker 9: musicians got their start through Frank Zappa.
Speaker 5: Un as far as just like musically speaking, he was
Speaker 5: so extimental and I think he's probably influenced so many
Speaker 5: people that probably wouldn't be playing music today.
Speaker 6: He's definitely he's eccentric.
Speaker 9: He literally has albums called Shut Up and Play Your Guitar,
Speaker 9: and it's there's like four or five albums and they're
Speaker 9: literally nothing but guitar solos. It's just it's a band
Speaker 9: and just him just shredding for twenty minutes, I think.
Speaker 9: But like Terry Bosio, he would always somehow find child prodigies.
Speaker 9: In my opinion, like Terry Bozio is probably the one
Speaker 9: of the greatest drummers ever. And he started with Frank Zappa.
Speaker 9: Steve I started with Frank Zappa.
Speaker 7: Yah, didn't Crosby Stills the Nash.
Speaker 1: Start with them.
Speaker 9: One jammed, He jammed with everybody and uh, Frank Zappa
Speaker 9: even had like a beef with John Lennon. Be could
Speaker 9: you could find a little clip of him talking crap.
Speaker 9: So they did like a live show with Yoko Ono
Speaker 9: and John Lennon and uh Zappa. They played one of
Speaker 9: Zappa's songs and then on John Lynn's album, he credited
Speaker 9: hisself that they wrote the song and he changed the
Speaker 9: title and everything, so.
Speaker 8: They had like bad blood.
Speaker 9: Well he just yeah. Zappa was kind of outspoken. He
Speaker 9: would just kind of like if you did something like that,
Speaker 9: he would just call you out on it.
Speaker 5: Yeah, He's like, who this, who's this fucking Tavistock puke
Speaker 5: coming out her?
Speaker 9: Right?
Speaker 8: Yeah?
Speaker 7: I was gonna say because the Beatles were at some
Speaker 7: point hanging out with them, weren't they.
Speaker 5: Yeah, there was some overlap there. I know Lennon was
Speaker 5: there quite often.
Speaker 6: Even there's Harry.
Speaker 5: Nilsen right, yep, befriended the Beatles and was there's some
Speaker 5: suspicious stuff that went on with that guy and at
Speaker 5: his house one hundred.
Speaker 7: Wasn't that who Mama Cass was hanging out with when
Speaker 7: she choked on the ham sandwich? I think she did
Speaker 7: quote unquote she choked on a ham sandwich.
Speaker 9: Yeah, well, Mama Cass. And then we're supposed to be
Speaker 9: going over to the titehouse to have a party that night,
Speaker 9: like right, And that's why Steve McQueen supposedly went by
Speaker 9: and got the drugs from the house before the police
Speaker 9: got there.
Speaker 7: There is Lisa, were you gonna saycreams?
Speaker 2: Sang? Just kidding?
Speaker 10: No, No, No, I was. I think I was going
Speaker 10: to say something about something else. Oh, I was going
Speaker 10: to make a joke because you were saying bad blood.
Speaker 10: It was like Taylor Swift bad blood. It was a
Speaker 10: bad joke.
Speaker 8: No, it's a good joke. I like it. I appreciate it.
Speaker 7: And isn't it. Did her Man win the Super Bowl?
Speaker 6: No?
Speaker 12: No, no he did not.
Speaker 7: He did not win, but he did.
Speaker 12: Look on movie storage anyway, Yeah.
Speaker 7: I saw that.
Speaker 8: I saw that.
Speaker 7: I was gonna say, somebody posted something about Yoko Oh
Speaker 7: no a comment, oh that she was a psychopath.
Speaker 8: I actually do I believe that.
Speaker 7: Have you ever heard the story of like what John
Speaker 7: Lennon like what made him fall in love with her?
Speaker 8: Have you guys heard this bullshit as story?
Speaker 11: Oh guys, it's like mklaw he's a sign and says
Speaker 11: yes or something.
Speaker 2: Right, Yeah, I watch the building.
Speaker 9: Right.
Speaker 7: He goes to like an art exhibit and all this
Speaker 7: stuff is like really dark and really like macabre, and
Speaker 7: there's like an art piece where you have to climb
Speaker 7: a ladder and go all the way to the top
Speaker 7: of the ladder to.
Speaker 8: See like what the art pieces.
Speaker 7: And he thought he was going to get to the
Speaker 7: top and it was going to say suck my dick
Speaker 7: or something like that, but instead it said something really
Speaker 7: beautiful and positive, and he was like, I need to
Speaker 7: meet the person who made this, and it was Yoko's
Speaker 7: bitch ass, and I guess they just fell in love
Speaker 7: after that. But this is why I say I think
Speaker 7: a lot of this stuff is actually made up. I'm
Speaker 7: I'm almost ninety nine point nine percent certain that John
Speaker 7: is trans at this point because he's he's like John didn't.
Speaker 7: He's small and dainty, kind of feminine.
Speaker 2: Well, I don't know.
Speaker 6: There's a lot of people out there who.
Speaker 7: Say all of them are They're all training.
Speaker 6: I can't like every will never.
Speaker 7: Say George is a training. I love George. George is
Speaker 7: the best beetle.
Speaker 6: Yeah, I don't know. I think there's inversion that goes on.
Speaker 6: But at the level of Yoka trans, I mean i'd
Speaker 6: buy that one.
Speaker 8: Look at her. Holy shit.
Speaker 7: I was gonna say something before that though. Oh. I
Speaker 7: think my favorite out of the Laurel Canyon is the
Speaker 7: mom's in the Papas. I don't know if if Janice
Speaker 7: is the honorable mention, is she Laurel Canyon?
Speaker 9: Oh yeah?
Speaker 7: Living really?
Speaker 8: Okay, okay, oh.
Speaker 9: Yeah, she even died in a hotel that it was
Speaker 9: like right there in Laurel Kenyon.
Speaker 7: Is she twenty seven clubs.
Speaker 9: Yeah, okay, so she supposedly died from the She had
Speaker 9: the same heroine that supposedly Jim Morrison died. They had
Speaker 9: the same heroin dealer who was the same dealer for
Speaker 9: the Stones, and that dealer ended up dying from his
Speaker 9: own stuff.
Speaker 2: He was like a.
Speaker 9: French like related to French royalty, and he had like
Speaker 9: connections to Morocco and everything, and he was like shipping
Speaker 9: stuff all over I think she killed herself.
Speaker 6: Though, sorry, I'm supposedly too.
Speaker 8: I don't think.
Speaker 9: I think there was a lot of I think heroin
Speaker 9: was becoming the thing around right after that. I think
Speaker 9: she was addicted to it in my opinion, but.
Speaker 7: Like accidental overdose though, yeah, because his stuff was supposedly
Speaker 7: so strong that he even died.
Speaker 9: From it, right.
Speaker 7: But they put her down as like a suicide. And
Speaker 7: I don't think she killed herself. No, Janet, Yeah, I
Speaker 7: don't think Janice killed herself because she was about to
Speaker 7: get married.
Speaker 8: She was so happy.
Speaker 9: I could see her accidentally doing it.
Speaker 8: Yes, maybe accidentally.
Speaker 7: Or maybe because she's part of the twenty seven club
Speaker 7: like she had it was her time to go, and
Speaker 7: they fucking set it up to make it.
Speaker 9: Look like well, there was also blind Now Wilson who
Speaker 9: was a part of Yeah he who was also the
Speaker 9: twenty seventh Club, who's directly tied into Laurel Kane.
Speaker 7: I mentioned that with William Ramsey if you go on
Speaker 7: the blog. I don't know if we could do a
Speaker 7: share screen or something, but there's this whole Laurel knyon
Speaker 7: death list that he lists off the blog, and blind
Speaker 7: Al Wilson is on there, Janie is on there, Jimmy
Speaker 7: Hendrix is on there. I mean, they're all there. But
Speaker 7: it's like, it's just odd to me how many get
Speaker 7: ruled a suicide when the circumstances around the quote unquote
Speaker 7: suicide are just so suspicious. It's like, there's no way
Speaker 7: these are all fucking suicides. Like you're not convincing me
Speaker 7: of that.
Speaker 8: No way.
Speaker 10: One thing that I thought of when you were saying
Speaker 10: twenty seven club. I mean, you hear twenty seven club
Speaker 10: over and over and over, right, But you know what,
Speaker 10: people haven't talked about people who die at seventy two.
Speaker 10: Seventy two, Yeah, because twenty seven.
Speaker 7: Maybe that long out of the Laurel Canyon.
Speaker 12: John Wayne was seventy two and so was Frank Sinatra.
Speaker 7: Ew Old Blue Eyes was gonna.
Speaker 6: Say louied, but I think he was seventy one.
Speaker 1: Well.
Speaker 6: I always liked the ones that died either twenty six
Speaker 6: or twenty eight because it's like, uh, you almost had it.
Speaker 7: I think anybody who dies in their twenties, well, I
Speaker 7: mean you could Phoenix.
Speaker 5: There's a lot of It's like twenty six to thirty
Speaker 5: two is the one where it's basically all of them, Like.
Speaker 7: Oh, old, what wasn't Kurt thirty three?
Speaker 6: Who Kurt Kobe Oven?
Speaker 7: He was twenty m club? Oh my god?
Speaker 2: See?
Speaker 7: And uh, what's her name?
Speaker 6: Amy Winehouse?
Speaker 5: Yeah, Brandon Jones kind of kicked it off. They do
Speaker 5: say that what's the guy's name?
Speaker 9: Oh?
Speaker 5: I used to love him, did the he had the
Speaker 5: Crossroads legend.
Speaker 6: He was the blues guitarist.
Speaker 9: Oh, Robert Johnson, Yeah, Robert Johnsonson.
Speaker 6: It was twenty seven?
Speaker 7: Wasn't he the O G twenty seven club? Though? That's
Speaker 7: why they put it in O Brother, We're Art.
Speaker 8: I sold my soul to the Devil?
Speaker 9: Yeah, like the first one.
Speaker 2: Yeah, mm hmmm.
Speaker 7: He taught me how to play this guitar reel.
Speaker 5: I read a book a while back that kind of
Speaker 5: tied some old classical little European musicians into it too.
Speaker 6: There's a number.
Speaker 8: Really what I mean, I guess do you think it's real?
Speaker 2: Though?
Speaker 6: It's the real as we want it to be.
Speaker 7: How how old was Selena?
Speaker 9: She was young?
Speaker 8: Twenty two? I think I.
Speaker 9: Think it's like Amy Winehouse is a part of it.
Speaker 7: Midsomar all the elders die at seventy two. That's interesting
Speaker 7: over there, concocted some ship.
Speaker 1: I was sorry. I was like, I found that. I
Speaker 1: found the deathly Oh cool?
Speaker 7: Yeah, yeah, So if you look on there, Nick, I
Speaker 7: don't know if you can share screen or not, but
Speaker 7: there are so many deaths that get ruled a suicide
Speaker 7: out of the canyon, and a lot of them have
Speaker 7: like real weird like circumstances around the suicide, Like do
Speaker 7: you and did you listen to that episode I did
Speaker 7: with William Ramsey?
Speaker 8: Do you know what I'm talking about?
Speaker 11: Right?
Speaker 8: Like it's like, oh, it was ruled the suicide, but.
Speaker 6: Well yeah the.
Speaker 5: Brothers band, one of the guys gotten a wipeout in
Speaker 5: his motorcycle at an intersection and then it was like
Speaker 5: almost a year.
Speaker 6: I think it was almost a year later they the
Speaker 6: other guy did it too, and they said his.
Speaker 7: Was a suicide, right, see what I mean like that?
Speaker 5: But he ran it out purpose because he was so
Speaker 5: depressed about his bandmate dying.
Speaker 7: You know what I think, if they're gonna rule, some
Speaker 7: of these suicides would have been an interesting one With
Speaker 7: Mama Cassa. She killed herself on a handsand which just
Speaker 7: to like humiliate her because they always made fun of
Speaker 7: how fast she was.
Speaker 10: Oh she lost all they then I wonder, you know
Speaker 10: how like they had a scribbled pig on Sharontats.
Speaker 12: I think the whole ham pork old.
Speaker 6: Ship, especially because she was supposed to be there that night.
Speaker 12: Oh my god, you think that's what I thought?
Speaker 7: Oh that is so crazy.
Speaker 6: You left out Piggy. We'll get you at the ham sandwich.
Speaker 9: Well, there's there's anous was black and honey baked. For sure.
Speaker 9: There's speculation that it doesn't say pig, that it says pick,
Speaker 9: as in Pick Dawson, who is supposed to be one
Speaker 9: of the drug dealers.
Speaker 3: Mmm.
Speaker 7: I like the pig better because it makes Mama Cassa's
Speaker 7: ham sandwich makes more sense. But I also think that
Speaker 7: they just put a sacrificial pig. All right, Dresa, she's
Speaker 7: on one Where the fuck are you? By the way,
Speaker 7: she's in the commons section, but she can't ring up.
Speaker 3: I know.
Speaker 7: But there was a story about Mama Cass where it
Speaker 7: was like they met her because she was like working
Speaker 7: at a bar or something, and like you know, the
Speaker 7: story I always tells, she got like bonked on the
Speaker 7: head by a pipe and then all of a sudden
Speaker 7: she could just start singing real good and they but
Speaker 7: the real story is they grew up with her on
Speaker 7: a military base.
Speaker 8: They were friends with her from childhood.
Speaker 6: Nick Morrison was in her kindergarten class.
Speaker 7: So the whole pipe and getting bonked and but it's
Speaker 7: like I said that, it's it's not like they're talentless.
Speaker 6: Like they know, they wouldn't pick talentless people.
Speaker 9: That Bob Dylan got in like a motorcycle or a
Speaker 9: car accident and he claimed that his voice got was
Speaker 9: better after the car accident or well they.
Speaker 6: Could only improve.
Speaker 8: Oh god, I was going to say, was that the improvement?
Speaker 6: And I'm a Dylan fan. I think the guy can
Speaker 6: sing when he wants to.
Speaker 7: Did you hear him in that Michael Jackson song? We
Speaker 7: are the world.
Speaker 9: I don't know.
Speaker 8: I don't think he's that. I think he can write
Speaker 8: very well, but listen.
Speaker 6: To his country stuff. He can sing.
Speaker 8: Was it before or after the accident?
Speaker 6: I didn't even know about that.
Speaker 7: Was he Laurel Canyon.
Speaker 9: I mean, my grandpa always used to make fun of
Speaker 9: him because he thought he couldn't sing ever, and used
Speaker 9: to laugh at he used to claim that after the
Speaker 9: accident that he could sing better, And my grandpa would
Speaker 9: always make fun of Bob Dylan being able to sing
Speaker 9: after the accident.
Speaker 7: I mean, I guess, I guess he can technically sing,
Speaker 7: but I mean it's it's not great.
Speaker 8: I'll say that it's not great.
Speaker 7: There was another Laurel Canyon scene though, going around on
Speaker 7: the around the same time, though in Memphis and Nashville.
Speaker 8: It wasn't there in the sixties.
Speaker 6: I've never looked into it. I know Sean mccantucks.
Speaker 7: Yeah, Sean and I talked about it a little bit.
Speaker 7: But that's where you get like a lot of like
Speaker 7: the big country stars, and it was really like very
Speaker 7: Laurel danionesque, how they all kind of came out together,
Speaker 7: and I think the birds actually tried to play at
Speaker 7: somewhere in Nashville, and they got like boot off the stage,
Speaker 7: and there was like this whole thing where it was
Speaker 7: trying to turn the hippie culture against the country culture
Speaker 7: and like create division because you know, at that time
Speaker 7: they were calling them long hairs and shit like that,
Speaker 7: and the country scene was like straight laced and clean cut,
Speaker 7: and it was like hippies are trying to infiltrate, and
Speaker 7: like the whole country scene versus the hip scene was
Speaker 7: like divide and conquered.
Speaker 9: And Leonard Skinner remember the end of Easy Rider. Yeah,
Speaker 9: they're riding through the set out and they lucases look
Speaker 9: aike picks him off with the shot.
Speaker 7: A bunch of hippies, right, So, I mean, I think
Speaker 7: that it was kind of like I think Nick asked earlier,
Speaker 7: what do you think that they were trying to accomplish
Speaker 7: with this? And I think they had so many games
Speaker 7: running on people at the same time, like country music scene,
Speaker 7: hippie culture, and like the serial killers started popping up
Speaker 7: out of nowhere. It was just such a time to
Speaker 7: be alive. I'm surprised anybody fucking made it out a.
Speaker 9: Little bit before the hippie scene was the beat. Nick scene.
Speaker 5: Yeah, she mentioned Los Alamos earlier. Who was it you said?
Speaker 5: One of the beat Nicks came out of there?
Speaker 6: Was it Burrows?
Speaker 12: It was what Acond?
Speaker 6: Maybe william S Burrow's.
Speaker 9: Burrows was also big into occultism.
Speaker 6: Yeah, you have too.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 9: Burroughs was famous for chaos, magic and stuff, and he
Speaker 9: had a method of writing where he and David Bowie
Speaker 9: used this to actually create his lyrics, where you basically
Speaker 9: cut random words out and you just place him and
Speaker 9: the chaos basically is what creates the lyrics. And there's
Speaker 9: a whole video of David Bowie demonstrating how he does
Speaker 9: it and how you do it, and how he got
Speaker 9: it from Williams Burrows.
Speaker 2: What me?
Speaker 9: No, no, no, no, I'll get you the name of
Speaker 9: it here. I can't remember the name of it.
Speaker 1: He sent it to me and I watched that.
Speaker 10: Actually they had and it was I think it was
Speaker 10: an all boys school initially, if not in its entirety,
Speaker 10: but they had something and it was like ages twelve
Speaker 10: to eighteen or something, but they had something kind of
Speaker 10: like akin to the Boy Scouts, and that when you
Speaker 10: graduated from high school you would basically obtain first rank
Speaker 10: in the Boy Scouts or it was a requirement to
Speaker 10: graduate to have in the Boy Scouts at this school
Speaker 10: in Los Alamos. But yeah, it was Roy Chapman, who
Speaker 10: basically was CEO of American Motor Corporation, Shirling Colegate, which
Speaker 10: you know we know that is William S. Burrows Bill Veeck,
Speaker 10: which was the owner of the Chicago White Sox. He
Speaker 10: also had Gorbadal, who was grandson of Senator Thomas Gore
Speaker 10: Arthur roberts Wood.
Speaker 8: For saying like Colgate as in.
Speaker 12: Toothpaste, toothpaste, like.
Speaker 9: Folder like Abigail Folger.
Speaker 7: So the toothpaste guy.
Speaker 10: He was one of the family members, not the Colgate
Speaker 10: But hey.
Speaker 7: I swear to god, there's an episode of Ghost Adventures
Speaker 7: about him.
Speaker 1: There we go.
Speaker 8: What is so?
Speaker 10: It came out I think when they were doing an
Speaker 10: expose on what was the name of Susan Jiski from
Speaker 10: YouTube or something.
Speaker 12: This YouTube video is going to get cut for sure.
Speaker 10: Her Anne Wojiske, who is the owner or the developer
Speaker 10: of twenty three and a meters, was the ex wife
Speaker 10: of Sergey Brinn, who was the guy who invented a Google. Okay, well,
Speaker 10: they were talking about Anne and Susan's mom or grandmother,
Speaker 10: that she was kind of like the mom to all
Speaker 10: of these people in big tech, and that you could
Speaker 10: basically link back all the founders of big tech type things,
Speaker 10: whether you know and name it, they had a connection
Speaker 10: to their mom, and that all of them, somehow or
Speaker 10: another exposed their children to some sort of MK ultra
Speaker 10: program because they themselves, as mothers or whatever were exposed
Speaker 10: as well. And so it got me thinking if this
Speaker 10: happened with big tech, surely this happened with the musicians
Speaker 10: of celebrities or the movie celebrities, or even with the military.
Speaker 10: And I think this is just a continuation of this
Speaker 10: is what's happening, this is what's in our family. So
Speaker 10: I don't think it's far fetched at all to think
Speaker 10: that these children were exposed or brought up within that
Speaker 10: same framework.
Speaker 7: Yeah, I mean I find it over and over again,
Speaker 7: even the episode we just did Lisa about Adolfo, Like,
Speaker 7: is it's generational? For sure? I mean that will come
Speaker 7: out of the fucking woodwork, like they'd make you believe,
Speaker 7: and you know they're just you know, crazy people that
Speaker 7: came out of nowhere.
Speaker 8: But I mean that so we.
Speaker 7: Got the Toothpaste Guy and the Guy and somehow David
Speaker 7: Bowe learned after somebody Burroughs es is cool.
Speaker 9: And the technique that Williams burrows it's called the cut
Speaker 9: up technique and it's like a chaos magic technique and
Speaker 9: David Bowie almost exclusively used it in the seventies for
Speaker 9: his lyrics.
Speaker 7: So that what's that one song that he is just
Speaker 7: like completely red while all of his songs are.
Speaker 9: But so he would like take his diary or like
Speaker 9: his like future thoughts and then he would just randomly
Speaker 9: cut the words out from that and then he said
Speaker 9: that like it would like tell his future and all
Speaker 9: kinds of stuff is.
Speaker 7: There life on Mars. I never did understand that, motherfucker.
Speaker 7: But it's still like, what were you saying about David
Speaker 7: Bowie the other day, Like he didn't believe in whatever,
Speaker 7: Like he sold an image to people that he did.
Speaker 5: Oh yeah, I mean he kind of had some stuff
Speaker 5: he was saying at the end of his life where
Speaker 5: he's so it reminds me of Kurt Cobain. He was
Speaker 5: so willing to make it and get famous that he
Speaker 5: embraced all of the dark shit.
Speaker 6: And I think he kind of had a you know,
Speaker 6: I regret later in.
Speaker 5: Life because he said some things and I can't think
Speaker 5: of exactly what it was, just that he was kind of.
Speaker 6: Sorry that he did it.
Speaker 5: But yeah, Bowie and Burrows, some of the stuff you're
Speaker 5: just saying. It reminds me of Rick Rubin, like some
Speaker 5: of his techniques that he'll use in recording studios.
Speaker 6: He's I mean, if you can name like somebody.
Speaker 5: Famous out of the last forty years, he probably had
Speaker 5: a hand in it.
Speaker 7: He writes songs.
Speaker 10: He's as Stanford, but he now has a podcast, right,
Speaker 10: what is it Tetragramaton or something.
Speaker 9: Like, yeah, yeah, I have william S. Burrows would record
Speaker 9: messages and words, right, he would just record gibberish and
Speaker 9: random words and everything, and then he would cut the
Speaker 9: field and then put it together and then the random
Speaker 9: words would mean something. That's where it comes from. So
Speaker 9: that's where Rick Ruben is getting that. He's like he
Speaker 9: would he cuts, like he'll just record random stuff and
Speaker 9: then they'll they'll cut parts of that out and then
Speaker 9: place it and make a whole song out of randomness.
Speaker 8: Basically, No, I mean it makes sense to me.
Speaker 7: Like I said before, is their life on Mars I
Speaker 7: fucking love that song, but it makes zero sense, you
Speaker 7: know what I'm talking about.
Speaker 9: I mean, watch the video on it's on YouTube, David
Speaker 9: Bowie talking about cut up technique. It's literally like a
Speaker 9: minute a minute long, and you can see there's like
Speaker 9: lines of coke on the table and everything while he's
Speaker 9: talking about it.
Speaker 7: Well, what do you think about them? Same stuff about
Speaker 7: like and this could be all made up, but they
Speaker 7: take like the Master and they do these rituals on
Speaker 7: it and they mass produce it. So anytime you listen
Speaker 7: to it, you're getting demonized. And do you guys think
Speaker 7: that there's something to that or like, what what are
Speaker 7: your thoughts?
Speaker 1: I think?
Speaker 4: So I have heard that supposedly sometimes these records even
Speaker 4: get pressed depending on estrological times.
Speaker 7: Right, okay, so you do think like because I can't
Speaker 7: remember who it was, but it was like a guy
Speaker 7: who said they would take like the Master and they
Speaker 7: would take it into like a secret room and they
Speaker 7: would have like a literal ritual and they would.
Speaker 8: Infuse it with I don't know, I mean, you heard.
Speaker 6: This right, Yeah?
Speaker 9: I had the video said I'll get you the.
Speaker 6: Name of the guy.
Speaker 7: Oh you know what I'm talking about. Specifically.
Speaker 4: Okay, one thing that I I all right, I'll put
Speaker 4: it this way. I would not doubt that happens with
Speaker 4: music because of just the simple fact the Lon Milo
Speaker 4: Duquette comes out and emits I'm pretty sure in his
Speaker 4: book are on a podcast that he did that with
Speaker 4: his tarot deck sell.
Speaker 1: More Teo's doing it. Why wouldn't people be doing it
Speaker 1: with other products?
Speaker 2: Right?
Speaker 7: Or like if you I think it's like if you
Speaker 7: play them backwards or something, there's like the hidden messages.
Speaker 6: Oh yeah, that's the whole other thing. Like I know
Speaker 6: the Beatles were experimenting with that.
Speaker 5: Apparently there's some indication that they admit that Paul died.
Speaker 7: Thank God, they need to admit it.
Speaker 1: I don't know.
Speaker 5: There's the whole Stairway to Heaven thing where if you
Speaker 5: play spring Clean for the may Queen backwards, it's something
Speaker 5: about my sweet Satan.
Speaker 8: Oh, for God's sake.
Speaker 6: I think a lot of that stuff you could just
Speaker 6: kind of happen upon. But I mean they were doing.
Speaker 9: It well, like Danzick on the on the first album,
Speaker 9: If like the song Possessed, if you play it backwards,
Speaker 9: it's there's a Latin exorcism prayer if you play the
Speaker 9: record backwards, like legit. Yeah, the song possessed, If you
Speaker 9: play it backwards, it's legitimately a Latin exorcism prayer.
Speaker 8: That's crazy, but.
Speaker 6: It actually says words playing.
Speaker 9: It's actually the actual exorcism prayer.
Speaker 6: Okay, does.
Speaker 9: Song is supposed to be like summoning a demon, and
Speaker 9: if you play it backwards, you're you're doing the exorcism prayer.
Speaker 7: Basically, remind me never to download that ship.
Speaker 5: We could go get the vinyl. I don't want it
Speaker 5: so that misfits or solo stuff.
Speaker 9: But it's the first album, the one with Mother and
Speaker 9: twist the scene.
Speaker 6: Okay, I think you might have that one, Oh my.
Speaker 9: God, but that that's that song is very creepy if
Speaker 9: you play it backwards.
Speaker 1: Sounds like it.
Speaker 7: Somebody wrote in the comments that they also watch that.
Speaker 7: I don't know if it was an interview or what
Speaker 7: it was. It was a recording of that producer who
Speaker 7: said they take the master and they put I guess
Speaker 7: they cast spells on it, is what they said in
Speaker 7: the comments.
Speaker 1: I think I put it up actually earlier.
Speaker 7: Yeah, I heard it on Instagram, so it must be true, right,
Speaker 7: I hear all kinds of stuff on Instagram these days.
Speaker 4: So do you think if this well one, I actually
Speaker 4: do agree with some of these people. I think like
Speaker 4: I wouldn't say act well kind of actors, yeah, or
Speaker 4: I think they're put out there.
Speaker 1: They might actually have.
Speaker 4: Somewhat talent and they you know, perform, But I think
Speaker 4: sometimes like their life story and how it ended, I
Speaker 4: think could be fabricated.
Speaker 7: Mean too, yeah, because it's like, would they be as
Speaker 7: famous as they are if they didn't die in like
Speaker 7: some tragic way like Jim Morrison, Kirk Cobain.
Speaker 8: I mean, yeah, they might, they might still be famous.
Speaker 8: Oh would you say, Mike.
Speaker 11: Right?
Speaker 7: It's like would they be who they are if they
Speaker 7: didn't It's like part of the deal that they have
Speaker 7: to die in this horrible way to like.
Speaker 2: I don't know.
Speaker 5: When we're talking to John Gusty, who she mentioned earlier,
Speaker 5: he's worked in like on the production end of music,
Speaker 5: and he says that he's witnessed straight up that the
Speaker 5: artist wants to step away and they're given some options
Speaker 5: like we can fake your death, you can be replaced
Speaker 5: by somebody who looks just like you.
Speaker 6: Or you know, you die and you don't get any
Speaker 6: of the royalties, but you have to take a different name. Yeah,
Speaker 6: And so I don't know.
Speaker 5: I think like there's some interesting ones. I don't think
Speaker 5: Morgan Freeman was Jimmy Hendrix. But one that I like
Speaker 5: that within the last couple of years Morrison becoming Rush Limbaugh.
Speaker 6: That one's kind of fun because if you I mean
Speaker 6: I I do think that Bill.
Speaker 5: Hicks is Alex Jones. And I laughed at people when
Speaker 5: I first heard that. It's one of those that you're like,
Speaker 5: fuck off because I love both of them. I did
Speaker 5: like right around the early two thousands and Bill Hicks
Speaker 5: man forever. But I do think that they do really
Speaker 5: do stuff like that, So yeah, who knows what really happens,
Speaker 5: and maybe some of them do get killed because they
Speaker 5: don't want to play.
Speaker 7: Well, if you had to put a percentage on it,
Speaker 7: like how many of these people actually die, are you
Speaker 7: going to say, like ten fifty percent die and fifty
Speaker 7: percent get repurposed. Sure, so you're saying, so you're telling
Speaker 7: me there's a chance that Janice is still alive.
Speaker 6: Probably not.
Speaker 7: Now, I love Janice, she lived rough.
Speaker 10: Yes, I think that whole like deciding that you're gun
Speaker 10: and you have whatever I think it plays into the
Speaker 10: whole Plus Ultra hyper Space never Land persona.
Speaker 12: I think you you all have heard of that, right kinda.
Speaker 8: I mean not really not to the degree you probably.
Speaker 12: Do, you know, like that movie Finding Neverland.
Speaker 7: Yeah, yeah, and it was like leaving this dimension or
Speaker 7: this realm and going to another realm.
Speaker 12: And that's kind of.
Speaker 10: One of the I guess the founding things that there
Speaker 10: was a society called Plus Ultra that Nicola Tesla, Walt Disney,
Speaker 10: all these people belonged to.
Speaker 12: And they believe that once they were done.
Speaker 10: Here, they they merited enough to leave and go into
Speaker 10: another hyperspace.
Speaker 8: So you think they're they're actually.
Speaker 12: It's just a thought kind of like Atlas Shrugged almost.
Speaker 7: Yeah, but you think like they're dead, or you think
Speaker 7: they're they're repurposed, or like what do you think?
Speaker 12: I think?
Speaker 2: I don't know.
Speaker 12: I think it depends. It depends if they can make.
Speaker 10: Enough money off of them already just as is, they'll
Speaker 10: they'll kill them off, you know, because they don't need them,
Speaker 10: or if they are some like family blood tie, then
Speaker 10: they have an option to kind of get repurposed or
Speaker 10: reabsorbed into a different thing. I think it just depends
Speaker 10: money and blood.
Speaker 7: Always talk right, right, Because it's like we were saying earlier,
Speaker 7: like with like Crosby and some of these guys whose
Speaker 7: family trees go all the way back to the beginning
Speaker 7: of time. You know, if they were going to fake
Speaker 7: a suicide on him, they'd probably give him the option
Speaker 7: of like just becoming a different person or some shit.
Speaker 8: But Janis was just.
Speaker 7: A drugged out crackhead, and so she you know, she
Speaker 7: probably didn't get that luxuries.
Speaker 8: They probably just killed her ass.
Speaker 9: I got a question for you, then, Okay, so they
Speaker 9: just kill it. Yeah, So if they just kill them,
Speaker 9: all right, and then like give them a new identity
Speaker 9: or whatever, Right, why not just kill off Paul McCartney,
Speaker 9: replace him with a completely new member and make him
Speaker 9: like a complete huge legend instead of, you know, supposedly
Speaker 9: replacing him with a lookalike. And he died in a
Speaker 9: car accident everything, why cover up him? But then all
Speaker 9: of a sudden, like uh, James Joplin, before I.
Speaker 7: Answered the question, can I ask you if you.
Speaker 8: Think he was replaced?
Speaker 9: I think he was replaced.
Speaker 8: I think he was replaced too.
Speaker 7: And to answer your question, I have no fucking idea.
Speaker 5: Well, that one is because if I had to think
Speaker 5: about it, you would say, like the Beatles had there
Speaker 5: was so much stock in them at that point. And
Speaker 5: I mean, if they had this bizarre accident where it
Speaker 5: wasn't you know, it wasn't anything they planned and they
Speaker 5: wanted to keep that gravy train rolling. And if they
Speaker 5: really did replace him, I think they did. That's another
Speaker 5: one that I kind of scoffed at in the beginning. Now,
Speaker 5: I mean, shit, the guy's like for inch taller.
Speaker 7: He's taller, a way better musician.
Speaker 6: Well, that's the thing is they found somebody who actually
Speaker 6: was the best musician in the band all said and done.
Speaker 5: So, I mean, you listened to some of the Beatles'
Speaker 5: early stuff and Paul McCartney's base plans are okay, and
Speaker 5: she went.
Speaker 6: He went from being the.
Speaker 5: Smiley, bubbly one, you know him and Ringo up there,
Speaker 5: and he completely changed.
Speaker 6: He doesn't look the same.
Speaker 5: But yeah, I think that each situation would be unique.
Speaker 5: Like if they're the one who choose to do the
Speaker 5: replacing and killing, it seems like that one was just
Speaker 5: kind of out of their control.
Speaker 9: Well like for like Morrison, right, So for your argument,
Speaker 9: like nobody ever saw his body, right, nobody the band members,
Speaker 9: nobody ever technically saw his body, and some of the
Speaker 9: band members even found that kind of odd, like I can't.
Speaker 9: I think it was the keyboard player. I think he
Speaker 9: was like, well, how do I know he really died?
Speaker 9: We haven't even seen him?
Speaker 8: Yeah, exactly. And who else was it that they?
Speaker 7: Oh, like Elvis, they said there was weird stuff about
Speaker 7: like his corpse quote unquote was like melting in the
Speaker 7: casket or some shit like that. Like they were like,
Speaker 7: since windy dead body sweat, there is this weird stuff,
Speaker 7: you know. So I just don't That was a really
Speaker 7: good example though, like why would they replace Paul McCartney
Speaker 7: if they could just like, you know, I.
Speaker 9: Think, but if he dies tragically, look at how legendary
Speaker 9: that is, Like it ain't seemed so much better, right.
Speaker 6: Well they save that for Lennon?
Speaker 8: Yeah, yeah they did.
Speaker 9: They get there you go, You're right, there you go,
Speaker 9: there you go.
Speaker 8: They gave Georgia cancer death.
Speaker 6: Yeah, I don't know. I think John Lennon could be
Speaker 6: one of those that's not really.
Speaker 7: Good ringo wow, because he's a fucking useless asshole.
Speaker 6: He had to be on Thomas the train.
Speaker 1: That was part of his script.
Speaker 7: Lisa, were you going to say something a minute ago
Speaker 7: about this, No, I was.
Speaker 10: I was going to say something about like it wouldn't
Speaker 10: Isn't it weird? How like with Paul McCartney, he ends
Speaker 10: up owning all this music?
Speaker 12: What is it like?
Speaker 10: He owns all of Frank Sinatra's music, all of the
Speaker 10: Beatles music.
Speaker 5: He was Jackson Jackson, he was They actually helped falling
Speaker 5: out over some of that stuff.
Speaker 12: And apparently that he died shortly after, right.
Speaker 10: I guess the claim was that Michael Jackson had gone
Speaker 10: bankrupt and that Paul had offered to buy his music
Speaker 10: back or something, because I think Paul used to own
Speaker 10: all of Michael Jackson's.
Speaker 8: Right, Yeah, I remember that incorrectly.
Speaker 5: Well, Michael Jackson bought some cocoono I think, and he
Speaker 5: ended up having the majority at some point, and I
Speaker 5: know that's when he sold it to the Paliss shoes
Speaker 5: commercial and Paul Carney was like, the song's about revolution,
Speaker 5: it's not about selling shoes.
Speaker 6: And they you know, they did a song together.
Speaker 5: They were supposed to be Buddy Buddy and then but yeah,
Speaker 5: near the end of Michael Jackson's.
Speaker 6: Life, what what he was in Apple Music. It was
Speaker 6: one of the big.
Speaker 10: Ones because everybody hates Sony, like even.
Speaker 9: And then he sold it to Apple. Oh, he sold
Speaker 9: the entire catalog to Apple.
Speaker 5: And that's when it became such a big deal that
Speaker 5: you could get Beatles on iTunes.
Speaker 6: I remember when that happened.
Speaker 9: And that has now happened to Pink Floyd. I believe
Speaker 9: Google bought Pink Floyd or Apple bought pink Floyd. Now
Speaker 9: they they sold their entire name, catalog and everything and
Speaker 9: like and look alike, so even probably AI and everything.
Speaker 12: Paul McCartney also owns Buddy Holly's music.
Speaker 8: Oh does he Well that makes a ton of.
Speaker 10: My whole point is that it's amazing how he comes
Speaker 10: into the situation of owning all of this music. You
Speaker 10: know what I mean if he was like a faux
Speaker 10: member of the band. Well not really because he became
Speaker 10: a better musician, but you know what I mean, Like,
Speaker 10: it's so weird how he somehow positions himself to profit
Speaker 10: off of so much, you know, not being an original member.
Speaker 9: Have you had on the Super Bowl yesterday with Sandler? Yeah,
Speaker 9: he was sitting next to Adam Sandler and they're all
Speaker 9: like pointing to each other and everything.
Speaker 7: Oh my god, what so what was the thing about? Like, uh,
Speaker 7: do you guys know who Jay Widner is. He does
Speaker 7: a lot of stuff about like the Shining and like
Speaker 7: Qubrick and.
Speaker 8: Stuff like that.
Speaker 5: Yeah, he's Nick just had writer Leon. They made that
Speaker 5: movie together, right.
Speaker 7: So Jay Widner has talked extensively about how they replaced Paul,
Speaker 7: and like, I guess if you talk to this new
Speaker 7: Paul about it, like he gets all, you know, weird
Speaker 7: and shit and like won't even bring it up, won't
Speaker 7: discuss it, won't talk about it. I mean, the guy
Speaker 7: I liked the Wings too, you know, and he didn't
Speaker 7: he like write a bunch of music for Ringo and.
Speaker 8: Shit after they split up. Okay, well, I'm just saying
Speaker 8: he was.
Speaker 7: Whoever replaced him was a great was a really great musician. Yeah,
Speaker 7: so what he married a chick with no legs. But
Speaker 7: I mean, I think he's a cool guy.
Speaker 6: I don't know.
Speaker 5: I always thought there was a real darkness to Paul myself.
Speaker 7: He's the Walrus.
Speaker 6: He's I don't think he's a good dude at all.
Speaker 2: Knighted by the Queen of England herself.
Speaker 8: Yeah, that's true. That is true.
Speaker 4: All right, I think I'm gonna I wrap it up here. Actually,
Speaker 4: if you guys, it's almost close to two hours. I
Speaker 4: thought that was good. Thank you very much, Julian and Colby.
Speaker 4: I really appreciate that. Had a really good time, like
Speaker 4: I expected, had a lot of good laughs. Mike Thrash,
Speaker 4: appreciate it. Love when you guys are on and I
Speaker 4: knew this was a topic that you'd both be into. Lisa,
Speaker 4: thank you very much. As usual, always appreciate your input.
Speaker 4: Uh Kolbe will go with you. First, let everybody know
Speaker 4: where they can find your amazing stuff.
Speaker 1: Please.
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Speaker 5: You can find those where you find them pretty much everywhere.
Speaker 6: If the first one second ones harder to find.
Speaker 5: But we do do that one more often, and it's
Speaker 5: more of like political satire shit talking, and it's it's
Speaker 5: you know, we do sprinkle conspiracy in there because it's
Speaker 5: Dusty and I and Julie and I are going to
Speaker 5: be doing a show together. I'd say next month or
Speaker 5: two we'll start seeing the kill room where we're gonna
Speaker 5: talk about probably stuff we don't really talk about on
Speaker 5: our own shows, but where we kind of we we
Speaker 5: we agree about a lot, but we disagree about it.
Speaker 7: We disagree a lot.
Speaker 6: Not to kill each other doing it.
Speaker 7: I have a sharpened blade to his throat. Say what
Speaker 7: I think?
Speaker 1: That's great, Say what I think?
Speaker 7: And Julia, Yeah, I'm wherever you listen to podcast Cosmic Peach,
Speaker 7: and I'm also on the Cult of Conspiracy podcast every Saturday.
Speaker 1: Very nice. How does that work? Is it just you
Speaker 1: and you and them or just just you?
Speaker 7: No, it's just me. It's just one day a week
Speaker 7: that they let me post a show about whatever it
Speaker 7: is that I'm interested in at the time. I do
Speaker 7: like some mini series for them. And Kolbe was on
Speaker 7: the last one that I did. It's called blood Ties
Speaker 7: and it's about some program to kill stuff and he
Speaker 7: drops his amazing Jack Nicholson Ted Bundy theory that in
Speaker 7: that show.
Speaker 6: But most people think it's bullshit, but I don't care.
Speaker 7: It's all right, honey. You can believe whatever you want
Speaker 7: to believe. But yeah, so you can find me on
Speaker 7: the Cult of Conspiracy every Saturday or Apple wherever uh
Speaker 7: Spotify for Cosmic Peach for my normal stuff. But thank
Speaker 7: you for having me again, of course.
Speaker 1: No, that was great chat love it as usual.
Speaker 4: And that was a great talk, a lot of good things,
Speaker 4: you know, talked about a lot of interesting people. Uh yeah,
Speaker 4: and that is the end of another Occult Rejects again,
Speaker 4: thank you everybody in the chat.
Speaker 1: That's what's up. It was awesome.
Speaker 4: There's a lot of people here, a lot of good
Speaker 4: stuff said, had a good time and until the next one, everybody.
Speaker 1: Be well later.
Speaker 6: A right, that's kind friend.
Speaker 2: I can't what else
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