WEBVTT 1 00:00:00.080 --> 00:00:03.359 I'm guilty. I'm one of those podcast listeners. Except when 2 00:00:03.359 --> 00:00:05.280 I go looking for a podcast, I want to be 3 00:00:05.280 --> 00:00:07.799 able to find it. I'll read about it on Google, 4 00:00:08.119 --> 00:00:11.000 and then I go searching for it on iHeart or Spotify, 5 00:00:11.119 --> 00:00:14.199 and I can't find that Rob low Interview. I can't 6 00:00:14.199 --> 00:00:17.640 find something Mark merindid I can't find it. So as 7 00:00:17.800 --> 00:00:20.399 a podcaster, it was my goal to create something that 8 00:00:20.399 --> 00:00:23.239 makes it so much easier for you to take what 9 00:00:23.440 --> 00:00:29.679 you found out and find it Ero dot net, aet net. 10 00:00:29.960 --> 00:00:34.679 It's twenty different podcasts for you to explore. Hey, there 11 00:00:34.799 --> 00:00:37.439 you are. I feel like doing some podcrashing today. Go 12 00:00:37.520 --> 00:00:39.280 in there and talk to some people that are actually 13 00:00:39.320 --> 00:00:42.399 living this lifestyle and bringing storytelling to the highest level 14 00:00:42.399 --> 00:00:46.320 it's ever been. Podcrashing episode number four eighty two puts 15 00:00:46.320 --> 00:00:50.280 his focus on actor writer Storm from his podcast The 16 00:00:50.359 --> 00:00:55.320 Red Weather. Hello and good morning party people. Hey, how's 17 00:00:55.359 --> 00:00:57.920 it going, man, I'm doing fantastic. How about you? 18 00:00:59.079 --> 00:01:01.119 Oh good, it's early, but I'm waking up. 19 00:01:01.119 --> 00:01:01.240 Man. 20 00:01:01.280 --> 00:01:03.280 I'm getting through my pot of tea, so the caffeine's 21 00:01:03.320 --> 00:01:03.759 kicking in. 22 00:01:04.120 --> 00:01:06.640 Oh my god. When you're doing the tea, that means 23 00:01:06.640 --> 00:01:09.239 you're reaching for that that little element of hey, I'm 24 00:01:09.239 --> 00:01:11.400 going to go here, because creativity is on the opposite 25 00:01:11.400 --> 00:01:11.799 side of this. 26 00:01:12.760 --> 00:01:13.799 Uh yeah. 27 00:01:14.480 --> 00:01:16.840 I love the way that you're working your words with 28 00:01:17.040 --> 00:01:19.280 the red weather, in the way that you're part of 29 00:01:19.319 --> 00:01:21.840 the story. I love that because that's the one thing 30 00:01:21.840 --> 00:01:24.680 that I'm learning and doing all my research about podcasting 31 00:01:25.040 --> 00:01:27.079 is that listeners want to feel like they're part of 32 00:01:27.439 --> 00:01:30.159 your life, not not a third party or even a 33 00:01:30.200 --> 00:01:32.959 fourth party storyline that's made out of journalism. 34 00:01:33.439 --> 00:01:37.120 Yes, this is something that I learned the hard way 35 00:01:37.280 --> 00:01:41.439 by starting the first podcast I did. I started in 36 00:01:41.480 --> 00:01:44.040 twenty and twelve, I want to say, wait, doing back 37 00:01:44.079 --> 00:01:46.519 in the infancy, okay, And my idea was to do 38 00:01:46.560 --> 00:01:49.400 a book podcast is called Literary Disco, and it was 39 00:01:49.439 --> 00:01:51.560 my friends and I and what we thought at the 40 00:01:51.640 --> 00:01:54.680 time was, well, if we're going to be talking about books, 41 00:01:54.680 --> 00:01:57.719 we should present ourselves as book experts. We need to 42 00:01:57.760 --> 00:02:01.040 show off how smart we are, how much research we've done. 43 00:02:01.359 --> 00:02:02.680 And the reality is that's. 44 00:02:02.519 --> 00:02:06.079 The worst approach people really want is they want you 45 00:02:06.159 --> 00:02:09.439 to get up there like Joe Rogan or you know, 46 00:02:09.520 --> 00:02:11.759 name your podcaster and say I don't know anything, but 47 00:02:11.800 --> 00:02:14.080 I'm curious about it. And I want to look into it, 48 00:02:14.280 --> 00:02:16.879 and that's what people respond to. And it was a 49 00:02:16.919 --> 00:02:18.840 real lesson for me that you know, took me ten 50 00:02:18.919 --> 00:02:21.479 years to learn that the more you're honest about like 51 00:02:21.520 --> 00:02:24.199 what you don't know, that's what that's what draws people in. 52 00:02:24.439 --> 00:02:26.680 So then would you say that's part of the glue 53 00:02:26.719 --> 00:02:28.840 when it comes to telling the story of a a trainer, 54 00:02:28.879 --> 00:02:30.879 because I mean, you had me when it's like seventeen 55 00:02:30.960 --> 00:02:33.840 year old nobody found right away. I'm taking back to 56 00:02:33.879 --> 00:02:36.560 my own personal life in Billings, Montana, when there was 57 00:02:36.599 --> 00:02:39.240 a missing thirteen or fourteen year old girl and they 58 00:02:39.240 --> 00:02:41.080 found her at the lake. All of a sudden, I'm going, 59 00:02:41.080 --> 00:02:43.400 oh my god, writer, you're onto something here. 60 00:02:44.159 --> 00:02:46.080 Oh wow, Yeah, no, that's horrible. 61 00:02:46.879 --> 00:02:49.240 Yeah, man, I you know, I just wanted to I 62 00:02:49.280 --> 00:02:52.159 wanted to get back to well first, Yeah, I mean 63 00:02:52.319 --> 00:02:56.599 taking the audience back to my own adolescents and my 64 00:02:56.639 --> 00:03:00.680 own stupidity as an adolescent was always the point. And 65 00:03:00.919 --> 00:03:04.560 you know, I think that works. That works for me 66 00:03:04.800 --> 00:03:07.240 doubly because like, on one hand, it's just like a good 67 00:03:07.800 --> 00:03:10.879 narrative position to take as it draws people in. Also 68 00:03:10.960 --> 00:03:13.479 because people think of me still as a teenager, because 69 00:03:13.479 --> 00:03:15.680 they grew up with boy meet's world, and so like 70 00:03:15.759 --> 00:03:18.240 I have this sort of like you know, cheat code 71 00:03:19.000 --> 00:03:21.560 that when I say, like, you know, do you remember 72 00:03:21.599 --> 00:03:25.360 when I was fifteen, everyone kind of does, so, so 73 00:03:25.680 --> 00:03:28.680 it was it was an easy thing for me to do, particularly, 74 00:03:28.919 --> 00:03:31.319 but yeah, I do think that, like, you know, hopefully, 75 00:03:31.960 --> 00:03:33.400 I've had a couple of people say to me, like, 76 00:03:33.599 --> 00:03:36.319 you know, friends who have listened or you know, acquaintances 77 00:03:36.319 --> 00:03:38.400 who have said, like, you know, listening to the Red 78 00:03:38.400 --> 00:03:40.439 Weather made me go back and like pull out some 79 00:03:40.479 --> 00:03:44.039 of my old diaries and like my old journals and 80 00:03:45.080 --> 00:03:47.560 poems I used to write. And I love that, and 81 00:03:47.599 --> 00:03:50.400 I hope that that, you know, the more you know 82 00:03:50.439 --> 00:03:54.240 the old writing lesson is like the more specific you are, 83 00:03:54.400 --> 00:03:57.080 the more universal it becomes in a weird way. And 84 00:03:57.159 --> 00:03:58.960 so I knew that, like if I went back into 85 00:03:59.000 --> 00:04:04.039 my life as specifically as possible, even with a fake crime, 86 00:04:04.159 --> 00:04:07.120 you know, the actual missing girl is made up, but 87 00:04:07.400 --> 00:04:09.800 the rest of it is very specific to my childhood 88 00:04:09.840 --> 00:04:12.479 and real memories and real friends. And the more I 89 00:04:12.479 --> 00:04:15.240 could lean into that in a weird way, even though 90 00:04:15.280 --> 00:04:18.000 I grew up in this kind of you know, unique 91 00:04:18.040 --> 00:04:21.439 situation of being a child actor of being in the Redwoods, 92 00:04:21.600 --> 00:04:24.079 being surrounded by sort of communes and this kind of 93 00:04:24.079 --> 00:04:27.360 weird scene. It would actually make it more universal the 94 00:04:27.399 --> 00:04:29.879 more I leaned into the specificity. 95 00:04:30.160 --> 00:04:32.959 But doesn't it felt all normal? Did it not? Because 96 00:04:32.959 --> 00:04:34.720 that's the one thing that I'm learning about. 97 00:04:34.759 --> 00:04:34.959 You know. 98 00:04:35.040 --> 00:04:37.519 We can all stand on the outside and oh, point 99 00:04:37.560 --> 00:04:40.439 our fingers, oh oh oh, but then when you're living 100 00:04:40.480 --> 00:04:41.920 in it, it's like, why are you owing me? 101 00:04:42.000 --> 00:04:42.160 Man? 102 00:04:42.199 --> 00:04:44.000 I mean, this is how we live. 103 00:04:45.319 --> 00:04:45.879 Exactly. 104 00:04:46.079 --> 00:04:48.639 And I think that that, you know, the initial impetus 105 00:04:48.680 --> 00:04:49.759 for the red Weather was me. 106 00:04:51.319 --> 00:04:53.639 Suddenly at forty six. 107 00:04:53.519 --> 00:04:56.519 Or forty five, whenever I first started doing this, realizing like, 108 00:04:57.160 --> 00:05:00.160 wait a minute, what was going on with like my 109 00:05:00.360 --> 00:05:02.519 like my one buddy who lived I knew his parents 110 00:05:02.560 --> 00:05:04.920 had started a commune and then it had fallen apart, 111 00:05:05.319 --> 00:05:07.120 but like I didn't know the details. We never talked 112 00:05:07.120 --> 00:05:09.600 about and we're still friends, but we never talk about it, 113 00:05:09.680 --> 00:05:11.160 you know. And I was like, I'm just gonna sit 114 00:05:11.160 --> 00:05:13.839 down with him for a couple hours and interview him 115 00:05:13.879 --> 00:05:16.480 because I don't know, like what was his parents doing, 116 00:05:16.519 --> 00:05:18.920 Like why why were all these parties there? And like 117 00:05:18.959 --> 00:05:21.480 I knew drugs were involved, but like I just didn't ask. 118 00:05:21.800 --> 00:05:24.040 It was just normal, so he didn't. And then there 119 00:05:24.040 --> 00:05:25.399 were kids that I went to, you know, I went 120 00:05:25.439 --> 00:05:27.279 to this really small hippie school out in the middle 121 00:05:27.279 --> 00:05:30.279 of the woods, you know, in part because I was 122 00:05:30.319 --> 00:05:32.439 acting at the time. But a lot of the kids 123 00:05:32.439 --> 00:05:34.519 who were going there were going there because they were 124 00:05:35.319 --> 00:05:37.439 being kept out of public school because they were in 125 00:05:37.480 --> 00:05:40.800 some sort of religious commune situation. 126 00:05:41.120 --> 00:05:42.759 And like I never asked them about that. 127 00:05:42.839 --> 00:05:45.480 I just knew that, Like there were multiple kids who 128 00:05:45.600 --> 00:05:48.600 were related in some way, and you know, in retrospect, 129 00:05:48.639 --> 00:05:50.560 it turns out because they were all fathered by the 130 00:05:50.560 --> 00:05:53.839 same guru who was leading their their family, you know, 131 00:05:53.879 --> 00:05:55.920 their their families. They had different moms, but they all 132 00:05:56.040 --> 00:05:58.399 the same dad, and that's why they were all half Indian. 133 00:05:58.800 --> 00:06:00.439 And I was just trying to figure this out, like 134 00:06:00.480 --> 00:06:02.639 why would they related? And sometimes they refer to each 135 00:06:02.639 --> 00:06:05.160 other as cousins and sometimes as brothers your sisters. 136 00:06:05.279 --> 00:06:06.000 I just didn't know. 137 00:06:06.319 --> 00:06:08.079 So the lot of the red weather was me like 138 00:06:08.240 --> 00:06:11.639 just being like, wait, is that normal? I need to 139 00:06:11.680 --> 00:06:13.680 go back and like ask some people about this, and 140 00:06:13.720 --> 00:06:15.839 that's you know, yeah, but I agree, man, Like when 141 00:06:15.839 --> 00:06:17.639 you're a kid, you're just in it, you never question it. 142 00:06:18.000 --> 00:06:20.759 I love the idea that you put this in diaries 143 00:06:20.800 --> 00:06:23.120 and journals because to go back there. But my question 144 00:06:23.279 --> 00:06:25.000 is when you went back in there to do the 145 00:06:25.040 --> 00:06:27.920 podcast to read what you put on the paper, did 146 00:06:27.959 --> 00:06:30.600 you go in there as the actor or as the 147 00:06:30.639 --> 00:06:33.680 person who laid the ink into those veins of that tree? 148 00:06:35.439 --> 00:06:38.920 Wo God, that's a good question. 149 00:06:39.360 --> 00:06:42.040 As mostly I would say mostly as an actor, I 150 00:06:42.040 --> 00:06:44.199 think I was. Yeah, I think I was mostly like, 151 00:06:44.600 --> 00:06:48.920 what's going to be the most effective way to convey 152 00:06:49.000 --> 00:06:51.839 this and to make Yeah? Yeah, So I would say 153 00:06:52.000 --> 00:06:53.519 it was more of an acting exercise. 154 00:06:53.639 --> 00:06:53.879 Yeah. 155 00:06:54.040 --> 00:06:54.240 Yeah. 156 00:06:54.279 --> 00:06:56.279 But when you're digging up the pass, though, aren't you 157 00:06:56.319 --> 00:06:58.480 in essence saying, oh, I've got to live this now, 158 00:06:58.519 --> 00:07:00.560 because I mean, I've got thirty two year of daily 159 00:07:00.600 --> 00:07:03.160 writing inside this room, and it's like, if I step 160 00:07:03.240 --> 00:07:06.199 back to nineteen ninety eight right now, I'm going to 161 00:07:06.240 --> 00:07:07.680 carry it with me for the rest of the day. 162 00:07:07.720 --> 00:07:09.519 How the hell did you survive this? 163 00:07:11.519 --> 00:07:15.519 No, man, it was it was. It was very I 164 00:07:15.519 --> 00:07:16.360 would say. 165 00:07:16.120 --> 00:07:19.160 Like once I came up came up with the idea 166 00:07:19.360 --> 00:07:22.680 of making it like, you know, a fictional true crime 167 00:07:22.720 --> 00:07:27.040 thing where I was I needed to deliver the most 168 00:07:27.079 --> 00:07:31.120 exciting story I could. The material the like the real 169 00:07:31.199 --> 00:07:35.360 material then took second place. It was like, okay, I 170 00:07:35.399 --> 00:07:37.439 need I need to first and foremost, I needed to 171 00:07:37.480 --> 00:07:39.959 just make this an exciting mystery. I need this to 172 00:07:40.000 --> 00:07:42.639 have like a roller coaster ride of like ups and downs. 173 00:07:43.040 --> 00:07:46.240 And so a lot of that was just super fake, 174 00:07:46.639 --> 00:07:50.800 super fictional, and and so it was more about structuring 175 00:07:50.839 --> 00:07:53.600 the story and taking that raw material and finding a 176 00:07:53.600 --> 00:07:56.680 way to contextualize it. So when I would interview people, 177 00:07:56.800 --> 00:08:00.560 like talking to my dad about a story to always 178 00:08:00.600 --> 00:08:04.600 tell you know, I'm asking him questions about this story, 179 00:08:06.160 --> 00:08:07.199 and I'm going. 180 00:08:07.000 --> 00:08:10.759 To apply it to a completely fake situation. So you know, 181 00:08:10.879 --> 00:08:13.480 there was a level of remove there that was that 182 00:08:13.560 --> 00:08:14.240 made it easy. 183 00:08:14.920 --> 00:08:17.199 I was more concerned about how people would feel about 184 00:08:17.199 --> 00:08:19.000 once it was all put together, like the people that 185 00:08:19.040 --> 00:08:21.360 I interviewed, because a lot of their words are taken 186 00:08:21.399 --> 00:08:23.279 out of context. You know, I asked my brother about 187 00:08:23.279 --> 00:08:25.839 a girl we grew up with, and it's a real 188 00:08:25.879 --> 00:08:27.600 person that I'm asking him about, and he is a 189 00:08:27.600 --> 00:08:30.399 real answer. But then I apply that to a fictional 190 00:08:30.519 --> 00:08:34.159 character and and so that's you know, it's a real 191 00:08:34.279 --> 00:08:36.440 it's a real trip for even my friends and family 192 00:08:36.480 --> 00:08:38.480 to listen to who are in it. They've like been 193 00:08:38.519 --> 00:08:40.799 calling me being like, but hold on, but this part was. 194 00:08:40.799 --> 00:08:44.000 Real And I love that. I love that even they 195 00:08:44.039 --> 00:08:47.480 can't quite parse it all together. You know what? What's what? Oh? 196 00:08:47.480 --> 00:08:49.519 My god. Tony Bean, one of my the guitars that 197 00:08:49.600 --> 00:08:51.919 was in our in our garage band, still hates me 198 00:08:52.000 --> 00:08:53.720 to this day because he said that I got him 199 00:08:53.759 --> 00:08:56.000 wrong in my book Halloween seventy eight. I said it 200 00:08:56.080 --> 00:08:58.679 was based on a true story. Tony, It's not really you. 201 00:08:59.000 --> 00:09:01.519 I can't believe you would do this to me. I mean, 202 00:09:01.559 --> 00:09:02.639 did you go through that too? 203 00:09:03.879 --> 00:09:04.159 No? 204 00:09:04.159 --> 00:09:05.679 No, most, for the most part of my friends are 205 00:09:05.720 --> 00:09:08.440 is like, super supportive, and I haven't so far, I 206 00:09:08.480 --> 00:09:13.320 haven't heard. I mean I've heard some grumblings from my 207 00:09:13.559 --> 00:09:16.960 town in general, like people sort of like, what does 208 00:09:17.000 --> 00:09:19.080 this say about our town or is this a reflection 209 00:09:19.279 --> 00:09:21.639 of you know? Like, But no, for the most part, 210 00:09:21.720 --> 00:09:24.320 like all the people that I interviewed that I work 211 00:09:24.399 --> 00:09:27.279 with to make this are preally happy with it and 212 00:09:27.279 --> 00:09:30.360 and get it and enjoy the ride. 213 00:09:30.799 --> 00:09:33.240 Please do not move. There's more with Right or Strong 214 00:09:33.360 --> 00:09:38.039 coming up next. The name of his podcast, The Red weather. 215 00:09:38.240 --> 00:09:41.799 We are back with actor, right or strong? Well, the 216 00:09:41.840 --> 00:09:43.879 one thing that you do quite well with the red 217 00:09:43.879 --> 00:09:46.200 weather is the fact that you do what what We've 218 00:09:46.240 --> 00:09:48.200 always been trained in broadcasting and they might do it 219 00:09:48.200 --> 00:09:51.440 in acting too, Who, what, where, why, when? And how? 220 00:09:51.559 --> 00:09:54.279 If you can't focus on that, you have no story. 221 00:09:54.440 --> 00:09:57.120 And you've got a story here, man, because you're you're 222 00:09:57.200 --> 00:09:59.039 answering every one of those questions. 223 00:10:00.240 --> 00:10:03.840 Yeah, it was. It was a lot like I don't 224 00:10:03.840 --> 00:10:07.840 think I realized when I first had the idea and knew. 225 00:10:07.960 --> 00:10:09.720 You know, obviously I had a lot of material because 226 00:10:09.759 --> 00:10:11.240 it was based on my own life and my own 227 00:10:11.279 --> 00:10:15.600 friends and all that. But when I started organizing it, 228 00:10:15.759 --> 00:10:18.480 I realized how hard crime writing it is like mystery writing, 229 00:10:19.360 --> 00:10:21.519 because you know, if you're going to point fingers at 230 00:10:21.519 --> 00:10:24.120 somebody and say, like, oh, maybe, you know, maybe this 231 00:10:24.159 --> 00:10:27.440 person had something to do with her disappearance, that better 232 00:10:27.519 --> 00:10:30.120 be a fully realized story because if you can't just 233 00:10:30.200 --> 00:10:32.600 point fingers, you have to like make it really plausible 234 00:10:32.679 --> 00:10:35.200 otherwise the audience is going to know it's a red herring, 235 00:10:35.519 --> 00:10:37.919 it's fake, it's not you know, And so I had 236 00:10:37.919 --> 00:10:40.960 to get my facts very my My fake facts had 237 00:10:40.960 --> 00:10:43.919 to be very good, and they had to line up 238 00:10:43.960 --> 00:10:46.960 with my fact facts very well, like my memories and 239 00:10:47.000 --> 00:10:49.480 the actual things about my town or my life. 240 00:10:50.000 --> 00:10:51.120 So it was a lot of work. 241 00:10:51.159 --> 00:10:53.679 I would say this was this was probably six months 242 00:10:53.679 --> 00:10:57.240 of outlining and eight months of writing, and then only 243 00:10:57.759 --> 00:11:01.519 after that only about a month the recording, and then 244 00:11:01.600 --> 00:11:04.159 a lot of time editing. You know, I would say 245 00:11:04.159 --> 00:11:05.399 another three months editing. 246 00:11:05.639 --> 00:11:07.279 So this is a big, you know, a big thing. 247 00:11:07.279 --> 00:11:11.000 But the outlining and the writing was the most complicated 248 00:11:11.039 --> 00:11:13.639 because it is ultimately a mystery. It's ultimately a you know, 249 00:11:13.720 --> 00:11:17.480 kind of like a a crime novel more than even 250 00:11:17.840 --> 00:11:20.360 a true crime podcast, So I had to structure it accordingly. 251 00:11:20.759 --> 00:11:22.519 You know what's gonna happen, writer, You're going to be 252 00:11:22.559 --> 00:11:25.200 walking along in an everyday world and all of a sudden, 253 00:11:25.240 --> 00:11:27.879 your eye because you've done the homework and you've now 254 00:11:28.000 --> 00:11:30.799 lived what it's like to investigate things, You're going to 255 00:11:30.840 --> 00:11:33.600 spot something that a police department didn't, and they're going 256 00:11:33.679 --> 00:11:36.000 to start coming to you because you've got that keen 257 00:11:36.279 --> 00:11:39.279 sense of investigation inside of you. Do you not feel 258 00:11:39.320 --> 00:11:42.080 that when you listen to this, No. 259 00:11:42.159 --> 00:11:45.279 I'm a horrible detective for Red Weather, which is part 260 00:11:45.320 --> 00:11:49.639 of the fun is that like, yes, no, I wanted to. 261 00:11:49.799 --> 00:11:52.440 I wanted to like basically, through the course of this season, 262 00:11:52.720 --> 00:11:56.639 you know, learn how to be you know, I wanted 263 00:11:56.759 --> 00:11:59.960 I definitely wanted to writer the narrator of this podcast, 264 00:12:00.080 --> 00:12:02.679 to be a horrible journalist and a horrible. 265 00:12:02.320 --> 00:12:04.919 Detective at the beginning. I think that, you know, because 266 00:12:04.919 --> 00:12:05.879 that is the truth. 267 00:12:05.960 --> 00:12:08.159 Like when I was thinking, like what would I do 268 00:12:08.480 --> 00:12:11.879 if I was going to investigate a crime, I was like, 269 00:12:12.159 --> 00:12:13.960 I would want it to be live and I'd just 270 00:12:14.039 --> 00:12:16.320 walk right into the police station. Well, it turns out 271 00:12:16.480 --> 00:12:20.440 that's the wrong jurisdiction because where my property is is 272 00:12:20.480 --> 00:12:23.039 not even in this proper town of Sebastapull, California. 273 00:12:23.120 --> 00:12:24.240 It's in the shape, you know. 274 00:12:24.320 --> 00:12:25.799 So I was like, well, that's great, that's going in 275 00:12:25.919 --> 00:12:27.919 the podcast, Like that's going to be scene one. So 276 00:12:28.039 --> 00:12:32.399 like I completely flail, and I think that that's endearing. 277 00:12:32.440 --> 00:12:34.360 I mean to the point we were saying earlier about 278 00:12:34.399 --> 00:12:36.159 like when you admit that you don't know anything, it 279 00:12:36.200 --> 00:12:37.279 actually draws people in. 280 00:12:37.879 --> 00:12:39.360 That's that was kind of the same thing. 281 00:12:39.399 --> 00:12:41.840 It was like, I need to be a bad detective 282 00:12:41.960 --> 00:12:44.080 and then you know, hopefully by the end of the season. 283 00:12:44.200 --> 00:12:46.960 I've learned a few things and I've grown, but yeah, 284 00:12:46.960 --> 00:12:49.639 if there's a season two, I'll probably be a better detective. 285 00:12:49.360 --> 00:12:52.639 Well as an investigator. That writer and that producer you 286 00:12:52.720 --> 00:12:55.360 scare the living Bajiebis out of me when Anna is 287 00:12:55.399 --> 00:12:58.440 walking alone, because in my heart, as a father and grandfather, 288 00:12:58.639 --> 00:13:00.879 I'm going, what the hell's going on in this story 289 00:13:01.279 --> 00:13:03.519 because I can't stop buying pick a rup. That's what 290 00:13:03.559 --> 00:13:05.960 we did in the seventies. If you saw somebody walking along, 291 00:13:06.240 --> 00:13:08.200 you picked them up and you took them home. You 292 00:13:08.440 --> 00:13:11.519 are doing that today, which then causes that shiver while 293 00:13:11.519 --> 00:13:12.840 I'm listening to the Red Weather. 294 00:13:13.679 --> 00:13:17.840 Yeah, yeah, no, it's a it's a spooky vibe. And yeah, 295 00:13:17.840 --> 00:13:21.440 I mean now, I mean the other thing is like 296 00:13:21.759 --> 00:13:24.879 a story like this can only take place pre cell phones. 297 00:13:25.120 --> 00:13:27.320 You know, you can't, you can't. 298 00:13:27.360 --> 00:13:30.360 You can't tell stories like this anymore because everyone's pretty 299 00:13:30.399 --> 00:13:33.159 safe these days, and kids have a way to contact 300 00:13:33.200 --> 00:13:36.679 their parents, even in you know, the most isolated situation. 301 00:13:36.879 --> 00:13:40.039 So I think that, like I'll you know, it's kind 302 00:13:40.039 --> 00:13:42.360 of intentional that I go back to the nineties, because 303 00:13:42.360 --> 00:13:44.559 you can't have a mystery like this without if it 304 00:13:44.600 --> 00:13:47.200 was taking place in the twenty teens, for instance, it 305 00:13:47.279 --> 00:13:51.879 just wouldn't exist. So good for good for today's teenagers 306 00:13:51.879 --> 00:13:55.840 that they're safer and less likely to be murdered or kidnapped, 307 00:13:56.639 --> 00:13:58.960 but way less interesting storytelling wise. 308 00:13:59.279 --> 00:14:03.679 So was light a real person, mister Eric Lipsky. 309 00:14:04.679 --> 00:14:06.559 No, No, completely made it really? 310 00:14:06.679 --> 00:14:09.720 Oh my god, what what a believable See that just 311 00:14:09.720 --> 00:14:12.919 shows your writing skills right there, because I totally believed 312 00:14:12.919 --> 00:14:14.279 in mister Eric Lidski. 313 00:14:15.279 --> 00:14:18.759 Uh, you know, here's the real story is I wrote. 314 00:14:19.080 --> 00:14:22.080 I wrote about this character. I created this character. I 315 00:14:22.120 --> 00:14:26.879 wrote several pages of dialogue that was just lectures, you know, 316 00:14:26.919 --> 00:14:29.200 because at one point I find his like a ten 317 00:14:29.279 --> 00:14:32.879 tape lecture series, and so I just wrote a brief, like, 318 00:14:33.039 --> 00:14:35.080 you know, a series of like little lectures about how 319 00:14:35.120 --> 00:14:38.960 his philosophy on trees and psychedelic drugs and and I. 320 00:14:39.000 --> 00:14:40.879 But the whole time I was writing it, I knew 321 00:14:40.960 --> 00:14:43.919 that in I had this actor named Chris Lemke, who 322 00:14:43.960 --> 00:14:45.000 is an amazing actor. 323 00:14:45.039 --> 00:14:47.879 He was he was a child actor in Canada. 324 00:14:47.759 --> 00:14:51.240 Same era as me, and he's never quite made it 325 00:14:51.279 --> 00:14:53.679 as like a huge television star or movie star, but 326 00:14:53.720 --> 00:14:55.600 he is a he is a known actor and I 327 00:14:55.639 --> 00:14:58.720 just think he's brilliant and he's a very committed I 328 00:14:58.720 --> 00:15:01.200 wouldn't say full method, but he's a very committed actor. 329 00:15:01.600 --> 00:15:04.200 And so I presented him with these pages and the situation, 330 00:15:04.320 --> 00:15:07.399 and I gave him a radio shack microphone from the 331 00:15:07.480 --> 00:15:10.480 nineteen nineties and a tape recorder, and I. 332 00:15:10.519 --> 00:15:13.039 Said, what do you think about being el Rick? 333 00:15:13.200 --> 00:15:15.960 Could you just take these these and go do some 334 00:15:16.080 --> 00:15:18.639 lectures for me based on these three pages that I wrote. 335 00:15:18.879 --> 00:15:20.279 And six weeks later he. 336 00:15:20.240 --> 00:15:24.519 Turned in four full tapes full of lectures of him 337 00:15:24.559 --> 00:15:28.480 in character and yeah, and so what you actually get 338 00:15:28.519 --> 00:15:29.960 in The Red Weather and the third episode of The 339 00:15:30.000 --> 00:15:33.000 Red Weather is not anything that I wrote. It's actually 340 00:15:33.039 --> 00:15:35.559 stuff that he improvised that I then had to listen 341 00:15:35.600 --> 00:15:39.919 to and I pulled from to create the episode. He's 342 00:15:39.919 --> 00:15:42.200 a genius and it's just made it made it, made 343 00:15:42.200 --> 00:15:44.559 is so much more real. Exactly it made it because 344 00:15:44.799 --> 00:15:47.519 I am genuinely listening to it trying to piece together 345 00:15:47.879 --> 00:15:50.559 what this guy was all about, because I didn't know 346 00:15:50.600 --> 00:15:52.519 he as an actor, had gone off and just recorded 347 00:15:52.559 --> 00:15:54.759 himself in the desert. He recorded himself in the woods, 348 00:15:54.840 --> 00:15:57.279 and he really did just talk into the mic and 349 00:15:57.360 --> 00:15:59.480 so it was beautiful as it was a beautiful, like 350 00:15:59.559 --> 00:16:02.639 full so moment as a creator, writer, actor like it 351 00:16:02.759 --> 00:16:03.879 just made it so real. 352 00:16:04.559 --> 00:16:05.399 And there's a lot. 353 00:16:05.200 --> 00:16:07.200 Of different actors who came to me with that kind of. 354 00:16:07.200 --> 00:16:09.919 Approach and made this thing really elevated in. 355 00:16:10.480 --> 00:16:13.039 You share a quote that really touches me. You being 356 00:16:13.120 --> 00:16:15.879 up there in the red forest and I'm hearing the 357 00:16:15.919 --> 00:16:18.919 Carolinas in a forest that has white pines and elms 358 00:16:18.960 --> 00:16:21.799 and beautiful things that Carolina brings, and you say something 359 00:16:21.799 --> 00:16:23.799 here that I think it's going to really change me. 360 00:16:24.399 --> 00:16:28.600 One human hour is thirty tree hours. We planted seventeen 361 00:16:28.679 --> 00:16:31.360 hundred trees. I'm going to be out there with seventeen 362 00:16:31.440 --> 00:16:34.840 hundred trees talking to them about you got thirty hours 363 00:16:34.879 --> 00:16:36.879 ahead of me, mister tree. What a w I need 364 00:16:36.919 --> 00:16:38.480 to learn? 365 00:16:39.120 --> 00:16:41.919 That's so funny. It was weird. I did come up. 366 00:16:42.080 --> 00:16:44.559 I had written when I was writing this philosophy for 367 00:16:44.720 --> 00:16:46.000 l Reck, and I came up with this idea of 368 00:16:46.039 --> 00:16:46.639 tree time. 369 00:16:47.080 --> 00:16:49.840 It turns out it is an established thing. 370 00:16:49.679 --> 00:16:51.960 That people have written about, have talked about, I know, 371 00:16:52.279 --> 00:16:54.240 and I always just thought about it because you know, 372 00:16:54.240 --> 00:16:57.320 growing up in the Redwoods, there would be two thousand 373 00:16:57.399 --> 00:16:59.759 year old trees, three thousand year old trees around us. 374 00:17:00.080 --> 00:17:04.759 And I remember at one point thinking, you know, if 375 00:17:04.839 --> 00:17:08.680 the oldest species on Earth has chosen this part of 376 00:17:08.680 --> 00:17:11.160 the world to live in and survive for this long 377 00:17:11.200 --> 00:17:15.279 and basically the greatest threat that redwood trees ever faced 378 00:17:15.599 --> 00:17:19.200 were humans, right, Like, we're the ones that destroyed what 379 00:17:19.319 --> 00:17:23.759 otherwise would still be a pristine old growth redwood forest. 380 00:17:23.799 --> 00:17:25.519 I was like, that means that's a pretty good place 381 00:17:25.559 --> 00:17:27.319 to live. That means like that's. 382 00:17:27.119 --> 00:17:31.720 A pretty stable ecologically speaking, that's probably a pretty good 383 00:17:31.759 --> 00:17:34.039 spot to live in the good soil, good weather. 384 00:17:34.640 --> 00:17:37.119 So that was always my thought. It's like the trees kind. 385 00:17:37.000 --> 00:17:39.680 Of have a better idea of what you know, a 386 00:17:39.759 --> 00:17:43.119 longer term sense of reality and the earth cycles than 387 00:17:43.200 --> 00:17:44.039 we humans do. 388 00:17:44.319 --> 00:17:45.960 And so yeah, I wrote that into the thing. 389 00:17:46.000 --> 00:17:47.400 And then it turns out that there have been a 390 00:17:47.400 --> 00:17:51.680 lot of philosophy like philosophical discussions about tree time. Like literally, 391 00:17:51.680 --> 00:17:54.160 that phrase is an existing thing. I didn't even realize. 392 00:17:54.279 --> 00:17:56.880 Oh my god, trees are my life. Trees and rocks, man, 393 00:17:56.960 --> 00:18:00.319 Native Americans will teach you those are the storytellers. Sit 394 00:18:00.480 --> 00:18:02.200 by a rock and tell me what you're thinking. 395 00:18:03.039 --> 00:18:05.319 Absolutely man, I couldn't agree more. 396 00:18:05.480 --> 00:18:07.960 Wow, where can people go to find out more about 397 00:18:08.000 --> 00:18:08.799 everything that you're doing? 398 00:18:08.920 --> 00:18:09.039 Right? 399 00:18:09.119 --> 00:18:10.559 First of all, they got to stop by the Red 400 00:18:10.559 --> 00:18:13.279 Weather because it is quite the experience for the drive 401 00:18:13.359 --> 00:18:15.400