Speaker 1: Ready four tell me that, as the blind man yells
Speaker 1: at his computer, it is October twenty four, twenty twenty five,
Speaker 1: allegedly according to that thing we call a calendar, and
Speaker 1: I'm finally back to being live. Of course, most of
Speaker 1: you catch the podcast, whether you like it or not.
Speaker 1: That's how anybody listens to me anymore. Most of the
Speaker 1: time the live show is not so popular. But if
Speaker 1: you're hearing me, let's see, it's almost twenty three minutes
Speaker 1: after eight God help me, eight pm Eastern here on
Speaker 1: the twenty fourth day of October twenty twenty five. Right,
Speaker 1: if you're hearing me live right then and there in
Speaker 1: the Eastern time zone, you can call in and become
Speaker 1: part of this whatever it becomes. Okay, three one nine
Speaker 1: five two seven five zero one six three one nine
Speaker 1: five two seven five zero one. I even put out
Speaker 1: announcements about this ahead of time, and went live at
Speaker 1: seven thirty, ready to roll, and did a short podcast,
Speaker 1: and I was ready to go. I was signing off
Speaker 1: two minutes before my time, and I thought I was
Speaker 1: all said. All I had to do was make a
Speaker 1: new link for be Pete to join me, and then
Speaker 1: turn on the phones and We're good to go. Nope, anyway,
Speaker 1: That's that kind of sums up my week, though. Every
Speaker 1: time I try and do something, complications getting away, delay it,
Speaker 1: destroy it, or absolutely cancel it. And that just seems
Speaker 1: to be the way things are going, whether it's a
Speaker 1: piece of work, whether it's money I'm supposed to get,
Speaker 1: whether it's you know, the things that are supposed to
Speaker 1: go my way, a piece of technology. Hell, yesterday and
Speaker 1: my son comes to me and says, I can't get
Speaker 1: my TV screen on because we don't have TV, but
Speaker 1: he does have a PlayStation, and lo and behold the
Speaker 1: big TV that we hardly ever use. That he pretty
Speaker 1: much just has to himself out there in the living
Speaker 1: room is no longer working. So I don't know what
Speaker 1: to tell you. Technology turning against me, the software turning
Speaker 1: against me? Am I paranoid? Or does the world really
Speaker 1: hate me? Perhaps it's just God who hates me. I
Speaker 1: don't know. I'm thinking out loud about all these things
Speaker 1: at the moment, and I'm trying to do some good
Speaker 1: and get ready cause a month from today I'm going
Speaker 1: to be on my way home, hopefully, you know, in
Speaker 1: one piece and everything from Dallas, Okay, and I don't
Speaker 1: even know how I'm going to handle buying a razor
Speaker 1: and even to have a couple of packs of cigarettes
Speaker 1: while I go away. I don't even know how I'm
Speaker 1: doing that. So you know, I do have a ride there,
Speaker 1: and I've got a room to crash in, but everything
Speaker 1: else is going to be on the hustle that weekend,
Speaker 1: got to tell you, and I'm looking forward to it
Speaker 1: in a way. But also I'm going to be working
Speaker 1: my ass off and I'll keep to myself until afterwards
Speaker 1: how I think things are going to go. But I
Speaker 1: swear I should write it in a sealed envelope so
Speaker 1: that I can, you know, show people that I'm able
Speaker 1: to predict the future. Oh. Also, next week on Friday,
Speaker 1: before we go live, okay, on this show. On Friday Night,
Speaker 1: we're going to do a special and there should be
Speaker 1: a lot of JFK people calling in next Friday night
Speaker 1: before I do this show, and we're gonna, you know,
Speaker 1: like say, starting at about five pm Eastern. It's the
Speaker 1: plan right now, We're gonna have all the presenters that
Speaker 1: we can gather call in and on Halloween tell you
Speaker 1: what it is they're going to be talking about. At
Speaker 1: the Lancer conference, and also, god knows this, a couple
Speaker 1: other things we might schedule along the way. So between
Speaker 1: five pm and eight pm Eastern next Friday, that's what
Speaker 1: we'll be doing on here, and I've got some other
Speaker 1: interesting live plans for next week. We'll definitely hear from
Speaker 1: Larry Hancock again. I'm hoping to hear from Mike Swanson and
Speaker 1: maybe some first time guests. I don't know how it's
Speaker 1: gonna go for this young man who is eighteen and
Speaker 1: wanted to come on and begin a retro radio kind
Speaker 1: of thing with us. We might have that announcement coming
Speaker 1: up soon and perhaps a nervous breakdown or two for
Speaker 1: me along the way. I don't know, so, b Pete,
Speaker 1: how has your week been? Before I get into any
Speaker 1: other housekeeping duties and updating people on anything else, how's
Speaker 1: things going your neck of the woods.
Speaker 2: I've been busy all week. I've had contractors.
Speaker 3: And give me quotes on getting some power run out
Speaker 3: to the garage and some other things I.
Speaker 2: Need to get done. So it's been busy.
Speaker 1: Yeah, you're still improving that house, huh.
Speaker 3: Other than that, trying to get study working on this
Speaker 3: thing till I die.
Speaker 1: Yeah, you're still upgrading and improving that house. Renovations and such.
Speaker 3: Yeah, Yeah, it's been It's been kind of hard because
Speaker 3: contractors trying to get them.
Speaker 2: In and get quotes from.
Speaker 3: You know, one guy takes a week and a half
Speaker 3: to get you a price together. It's apparently you know
Speaker 3: there's work to be done, but these guys are so
Speaker 3: busy that they I just can't get to it. Give
Speaker 3: you a price and get on down the road.
Speaker 2: Let you make a decision.
Speaker 3: But I finally settled with one guy. It's gonna cost
Speaker 3: me probably about six hundred bucks to run power out
Speaker 3: and get my whole garage done, and then I'm completely
Speaker 3: renovated and then move inside over the wintertime. I still
Speaker 3: got a fireplace to convert from gas logs over to
Speaker 3: just back to a regular fireplace.
Speaker 2: I get all that done for it gets cold.
Speaker 1: Sounds like you're putting your quote retirement end quote to
Speaker 1: good use, because you're supposed to be sort of retired
Speaker 1: now and you're upgrading the home. I mean, that's what
Speaker 1: a lot of people decide to do, right when they
Speaker 1: stop doing their steady day job. Right.
Speaker 3: Well, I'm hoping that when I need it, I can
Speaker 3: flip this thing and get into something smaller.
Speaker 2: I don't need this big of a house.
Speaker 3: I just go buy one of those tiny houses and
Speaker 3: put it on a little quarter acre lots somewhere.
Speaker 1: Or maybe you can hang on to it as a
Speaker 1: rental property, you know, and utilize it as a piece
Speaker 1: of income. I mean that's possibility too, right now.
Speaker 3: Okay, well I could, I could, and it would help
Speaker 3: on time, he says. But if I go ahead and
Speaker 3: sell it, then I can do something else, get something
Speaker 3: one level, much smaller, much more.
Speaker 2: That's the problem.
Speaker 3: I'm hoping to get this thing flipped before I have
Speaker 3: to replace a central heating unit or something major. So,
Speaker 3: I mean, I've got enough to do ripping out the
Speaker 3: floor in a kitchen. We're going to open that thing
Speaker 3: up this fall and get all that done, so I
Speaker 3: don't I'm scared of a new heat pump. I'm looking at,
Speaker 3: you know, twenty thousand dollars.
Speaker 1: Oh, twenty grand for a heat pump. Huh wow, Well
Speaker 1: that's you know, but it's a good thing to have
Speaker 1: something though, you know.
Speaker 2: So we do heat pump and then have to.
Speaker 3: Well it's they told me when I first got in here,
Speaker 3: when I had to get a bunch of duck work
Speaker 3: to replace that. Replacing the ductwork in this old house
Speaker 3: would cost.
Speaker 2: As much as a new unit.
Speaker 3: So if I have to put in a new unit,
Speaker 3: you know, I'm thinking, Abou'm going with a split system
Speaker 3: and just own this thing off, and it'd be a
Speaker 3: lot cheaper, a lot easier.
Speaker 2: Uh. I don't know. As down the road, that's cool.
Speaker 1: We already have one caller. Looks like we got Jimmy
Speaker 1: waiting on the line, so definitely want to hear what
Speaker 1: he has to say. I don't know, maybe he's got
Speaker 1: things on his mind from the week's worth of news
Speaker 1: that is, or was, or maybe was because it's getting
Speaker 1: weird out there.
Speaker 2: Man.
Speaker 1: Yeah, Jimmy, he was the earlier, Oh he was, Okay,
Speaker 1: I was earlier.
Speaker 2: I figured he'd be calling right in.
Speaker 1: I barely had time to look at the room because
Speaker 1: I was doing I did the news thing and it
Speaker 1: was fine, you know, I was just doing my quick
Speaker 1: little rundown. I was going to tell a story. I
Speaker 1: ran out of time, and like I said, I was
Speaker 1: going to go straight ahead. But you don't know the
Speaker 1: frustration I just went through trying to let the damn
Speaker 1: there's an application on my desktop now right to run
Speaker 1: the phones and this thing is you know, the change.
Speaker 1: It allowed us to keep doing the phone calls. But
Speaker 1: it's worked fine, of course, and it was an hour
Speaker 1: ahead of time I was set up. I looked at it,
Speaker 1: it was fine, everything was cool, and then it logged
Speaker 1: me out for no reason. It hasn't logged me out
Speaker 1: for like the past month and a half, and it
Speaker 1: logged me out, and I'm like, okay, I try to
Speaker 1: sign back in. And I don't know about you, but
Speaker 1: I've been having trouble with like all of a sudden,
Speaker 1: things don't accept my passwords and I've been using the
Speaker 1: same passwords on some of these things for years. I
Speaker 1: don't know. Is it just me or you know what?
Speaker 1: What do you think.
Speaker 2: I've had something? I've had some issues with some sites.
Speaker 3: Not In fact, I was in an ATM about a
Speaker 3: week and a half ago and it kept telling me I.
Speaker 2: Was putting in the wrong pin.
Speaker 3: So I had to get my phone out, use my
Speaker 3: app to go in, change my pin number to what
Speaker 3: it originally was, and then my card worked.
Speaker 1: Weird. See, I don't know stuff stuff gets. It's a
Speaker 1: weird world because stuff gets hijacked by these you know,
Speaker 1: different hackers now and they turn around and even they
Speaker 1: do little fishing things where they get you to change
Speaker 1: your password on a fake site and now they have
Speaker 1: your password, right Like, they get you to enter your
Speaker 1: old password and your new one, and so they've got
Speaker 1: it covered. They get into your account while you're sitting
Speaker 1: there struggling with it still, and they empty things or
Speaker 1: change things or destroy things. It's crazy. Somebody logged into
Speaker 1: my Pinterest account weirdly this week from South Carolina for
Speaker 1: no reason. Yeah, and I'm like, why are you in
Speaker 1: my Pinterest account? Yeah? Like, what good is that going
Speaker 1: to do? I don't do any business through there. I mean,
Speaker 1: do you even do business on Pinterest? Is that a thing?
Speaker 1: I don't even know?
Speaker 3: You know, I didn't think you could unless you're selling
Speaker 3: prints of something of your own, maybe for something maybe.
Speaker 1: But I put up like the conferences on there, and
Speaker 1: I used to put up stuff from the podcast just
Speaker 1: when I had the YouTube channel, because they sort of
Speaker 1: encouraged you to share everything across platforms and they gave
Speaker 1: you easy buttons. So I mean that's literally why I
Speaker 1: created the Pinterest account, because it was like a simple Hey,
Speaker 1: you can sign up for nothing and it'll be just
Speaker 1: another place where we promote you know, your podcast or whatever. Which,
Speaker 1: by the way, I've got some kind of crazy. Can
Speaker 1: you hear the sirens and stuff in the background.
Speaker 3: No, but I'm on an earphone too, on my phone,
Speaker 3: so kicking up everything.
Speaker 1: Well outside in my neighborhood. Apparently there is I don't know,
Speaker 1: fire rescue, ambulance, cops. There's all kinds of crazy out
Speaker 1: there right now. So all right, anyways, enough of all
Speaker 1: that and enough of the local traumas. Uh. Maybe I'll
Speaker 1: get into an interesting story later on about my days
Speaker 1: as a convenience store worker that I thought were relevant
Speaker 1: and I was going to tell in the pre show
Speaker 1: but didn't get to it. It's like that this has
Speaker 1: been my motif all week. I'm trying to do stuff
Speaker 1: and it doesn't get done. Complications keep coming up and
Speaker 1: changing it on me. But anyway, let's see what Jimmy
Speaker 1: James has on his mind. Uh, and anybody else who
Speaker 1: wants to join us here for this tonight. You become
Speaker 1: the show, right You tell us what you want to
Speaker 1: talk about, and that's where we'll go best we can. Anyway.
Speaker 1: Three one nine five two seven, five zero one six
Speaker 1: call in to talk to me, or Bet Pete or
Speaker 1: hey one of the other callers if you feel like it.
Speaker 1: Three one nine five two seven five zero one six.
Speaker 1: And I think I got I should have. I clicked
Speaker 1: on it. I clicked on Jimmy, let's see, come on,
Speaker 1: what is It's the Uncooperative app Day. There we go, Jimmy.
Speaker 1: You should be on now.
Speaker 4: Kyle Watson, Hey.
Speaker 1: How's it going? Man? What's what's on your mind this week? Hu?
Speaker 4: Where am I test one two series?
Speaker 2: Are you hearing him?
Speaker 1: I heard part of what he said and then it
Speaker 1: went away, But now he seems to be back when
Speaker 1: he said one two three, So I was just waiting
Speaker 1: go ahead, Jimmy, yeah, but after I said, can you
Speaker 1: now yes? Kind of go ahead?
Speaker 4: All right?
Speaker 1: All right?
Speaker 4: Well I just got that's good that you have and
Speaker 4: you all get What is all that background noise going on?
Speaker 1: I only hear you and a little feedback from you.
Speaker 1: That's it. So I don't hear background noise. Are you
Speaker 1: hearing the sirens in the neighborhood? Are you hearing my sirens?
Speaker 2: Now?
Speaker 4: It sounds like a television.
Speaker 1: Oh no, no, television here you hear TV.
Speaker 2: B No, I've got the game on, but the sound
Speaker 2: is off.
Speaker 1: Yeah, no, no TV sounds on our end. Man, Go ahead, huh.
Speaker 2: Let's see.
Speaker 4: Here's some interesting JFK tidbits that heard from secular sources,
Speaker 4: which I'm finding to be more reliable than so called
Speaker 4: our community.
Speaker 1: Mm hmm, goo ahead.
Speaker 4: It's one thing, I heard the old Mary Myers tale.
Speaker 4: We all know the Mary Myers tale, don't we.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 4: One of JFK's means squeezes.
Speaker 1: Right, yeah, supposedly at an affair with her. It's cord
Speaker 1: Meyer's wife. Blah blah. They smoke weed together, maybe drop
Speaker 1: acid together, you know, maybe Cordmeyer. According to what I
Speaker 1: Howard Hunt was in on the assassination partially because he
Speaker 1: was pissed the JFK was banging his wife, that Mary
Speaker 1: pincher Meyer. Right, yeah, that's the okay.
Speaker 4: What about Yeah, you both putted up a lot of stuff.
Speaker 1: They say.
Speaker 4: It's fascinating. I heard the exact same tale from a
Speaker 4: totally secular crime podcast. Just interesting.
Speaker 5: I like that, Robb.
Speaker 4: These things I find more interesting hearing from what I
Speaker 4: call secular sources. One thing, this is some of the
Speaker 4: differences I heard from this pod from that podcast versus
Speaker 4: any JFK source which I've heard this story from. I
Speaker 4: don't know three researchers. I would suppose o gee now
Speaker 4: then thought it would be of interest to mention the
Speaker 4: Cordmers was of highly being investigated by Angleton because he
Speaker 4: thought he was a Soviet mole.
Speaker 6: Gee.
Speaker 4: None of the researchers thought to put that in their
Speaker 4: little bookie poos, did they? What else did I find out?
Speaker 4: All the James Angleton was just in the town looking
Speaker 4: for a place to burgle. Now ball try again.
Speaker 5: Ben Bradley and the woman's Zonne sister called Angleton because
Speaker 5: apparently they were all.
Speaker 4: Sit good and that's how Ingleton had got involved.
Speaker 5: That Bradley's a liar, he's full of craft. So that's
Speaker 5: one another.
Speaker 4: One guy thoughts on this, Well, there's ben't a different story.
Speaker 1: There's been a couple of people that have written about
Speaker 1: this in books that focused on her some years ago,
Speaker 1: and there was a documentary which was was planned. Well,
Speaker 1: let me finish answer and then you go ahead, because
Speaker 1: I don't have a lot to say on this. But
Speaker 1: there was a documentary that was planned and never completed
Speaker 1: that that was shot partially about this and sort of disappeared,
Speaker 1: and it was weird because it had good funding and everything.
Speaker 1: And some people claim that it was shut down because
Speaker 1: of the the press is connection to the CIA is
Speaker 1: what it was. And it would be like way too
Speaker 1: obvious that they had, you know, too many inside sources.
Speaker 1: You know, after a while you say, oh gee, look
Speaker 1: at all these inside sources. You got to say, is
Speaker 1: your organization possibly inside of that organization? And that's part
Speaker 1: of the problem there. And the Mary Meyer thing is
Speaker 1: like some people have made it into a major, huge deal.
Speaker 1: I said it was also part of the I Howard
Speaker 1: Hunt deal, right, because it was like, oh, this was
Speaker 1: part of the big motivation. They easily got Corden Meyer
Speaker 1: because he was pissed, you know, about this relationship that
Speaker 1: they were carrying on with. And you know, the sources,
Speaker 1: the beginning sources for this are messy, is what the
Speaker 1: problem is. And then yeah, you got Ben Bradley, who's
Speaker 1: told this story about going and collecting stuff. Right, He's
Speaker 1: been in a couple of key places, you know, collecting
Speaker 1: people's notes. Ben Bradley, by the way, and yeah, I
Speaker 1: think it's suspicious. I don't know what to make of
Speaker 1: all of it, because at the end of the day,
Speaker 1: I don't see cord Meyer being involved in this, but
Speaker 1: Angleton having gone after him and all that. Yeah, that
Speaker 1: was kind of one of those things I think, was
Speaker 1: it the was it the guy who wrote the biography
Speaker 1: on Angleton, like what was it called like the Paranoid
Speaker 1: Guy or something about him being paranoid? Right was he
Speaker 1: wrote a whole thing about it, and it featured a
Speaker 1: picture of like the urn being carried, you know, in
Speaker 1: a funeral procession on the front cover. You know which
Speaker 1: book I'm talking about, Jimmy.
Speaker 4: Also like the Man that the Secrets.
Speaker 1: Something like that. Yeah, yeah, yeah, And they talked about
Speaker 1: it extensively in there, But I don't know, It's just
Speaker 1: one of those It's one of those places I never
Speaker 1: dug much. And some people have sworn by it, I mean,
Speaker 1: sort of like they do with the you know, Dorothy
Speaker 1: Kilgallon's coming up again right as as something that needs
Speaker 1: to be talked about and looked at right away again
Speaker 1: and again, you know, because she supposedly had you know,
Speaker 1: that last interview with Jack Ruby and all this, But
Speaker 1: even in the you you ought to visit those zoom
Speaker 1: calls on Thursday nights. Sometimes you know that Jimmy the
Speaker 1: JFK Zoom calls. You ought to just listen to the
Speaker 1: cross talk between certain people that are not necessarily big names,
Speaker 1: but they go in a lot of wild directions. Boy.
Speaker 1: And I mean they were really in a lot of
Speaker 1: crazy directions last night. It was it was kind of strange.
Speaker 1: I mean I was going to talk and decided not to,
Speaker 1: uh because they were all on Zubruder, film alteration and
Speaker 1: all kinds of things. And I'm like, wow, uh yeah, yes,
Speaker 1: this is where it's because Mantic.
Speaker 4: Where their talk processes.
Speaker 1: Well part of them.
Speaker 4: Let's move it ahead about sixteen.
Speaker 1: Well that's what I keep saying. But the thing is,
Speaker 1: nobody listens to me. Number one. Number two Mantic has
Speaker 1: now come back out, and that's why I invited him
Speaker 1: on the show. He was on black Op Radio I
Speaker 1: think last night, uh, talking about his new discoveries regarding
Speaker 1: you know, film alterations and picture alterations and uh and
Speaker 1: all this and this is the new thing. And I'm like,
Speaker 1: as in the X raise, well no, he's going after.
Speaker 4: Doctors immudical stuff.
Speaker 1: Well, he did a whole book covering the medical evidence.
Speaker 1: It's a pretty expensive, like very nice looking book actually,
Speaker 1: and uh you know, hardcover and all that, Like it
Speaker 1: looks like a textbook the way it's set up and everything. Uh,
Speaker 1: you know, like a like something you would educate people with.
Speaker 1: And his main contention started with the X rays, right,
Speaker 1: and and the autopsy photos. But now he's moved on
Speaker 1: to you know really uh, I guess you know, being
Speaker 1: the the Zabruder film alteration camp guy uh mantic is
Speaker 1: now And I was going to invite him on here,
Speaker 1: even though I disagree with that. Yeah, go ahead.
Speaker 3: I remember his h his stuff in Fetcher's Assassination Science
Speaker 3: about the X rays and that. So he's coming out
Speaker 3: with the alterations in the Zabruder film is his new gig, but.
Speaker 1: It's not new. He's been building up to this, and
Speaker 1: he's been on the images for quite a while. Like
Speaker 1: you said, that thing with Fetzer was probably what thirty
Speaker 1: years ago, But he's published books on his own sense.
Speaker 1: He's been involved with people since Doug Horn since I
Speaker 1: mean a lot of I had him on what a
Speaker 1: couple of years ago, I think, right, And apparently he's
Speaker 1: got a brand new information. He said, if you had
Speaker 1: a question, good.
Speaker 4: You had a question for me about the your stuff.
Speaker 3: Yeah, Ben Bradley, how did he find out about her death?
Speaker 3: Because didn't he make it to her house before anybody
Speaker 3: else did and rummage through it.
Speaker 2: After she was found dead?
Speaker 1: Well bred?
Speaker 4: And Bradley was her brother in law? Uh he was
Speaker 4: a Meyer's sister, right, But I mean how And as
Speaker 4: soon I knew they were related by marriage, the sister
Speaker 4: called Ben.
Speaker 3: Brad go ahead, Jimmy, I didn't know touching Ben Bradingleton.
Speaker 2: Okay, So the okay? So the sister called, okay, Well.
Speaker 3: Didn't they The cord Courd.
Speaker 2: Myners was out of town, wasn't he?
Speaker 1: Yes, they bla stood.
Speaker 4: On a black day and then he got off and
Speaker 4: then he did the exact same thing again. So I
Speaker 4: tend to think that he did do it. I'll think
Speaker 4: there's anything beyond that murder. But I just found it
Speaker 4: in testing out different story. So you know, I learned
Speaker 4: these interesting points not from people i'd like to like.
Speaker 1: I'm listening to.
Speaker 5: Conan O'Brien interview Andy Rickner, and I learned something very interesting.
Speaker 4: Andy Rickner's dad was in the OSS in World War
Speaker 4: two and he was good with languages, so they sent
Speaker 4: him to the Monterey Language Institute, which was a one
Speaker 4: year course, not six months.
Speaker 2: One year.
Speaker 4: Chinese and Russian takes a whole year, everything else six months, Right,
Speaker 4: Paul didn't have that time, Oopsy.
Speaker 1: No you didn't. Well, that's the thing, I don't. He
Speaker 1: gets really weird when you get into what Oswald was
Speaker 1: capable of writing and what he wasn't. Because even his
Speaker 1: good friend, you know, Titibitz, when he would write to him,
Speaker 1: you know, he wrote letters back here once him and
Speaker 1: Marina came to the US, right, he would write in
Speaker 1: Russian to Marina and in English to Lee. You know
Speaker 1: what I mean, Because Lee's command of the language was
Speaker 1: not great. I know, some people have like made it
Speaker 1: in this big legend like he had this, you know,
Speaker 1: wonderful command of the language, and I don't think he
Speaker 1: was that great about it. It seems to me as
Speaker 1: though he had a very rudimentary sort of grip on it,
Speaker 1: even after living there. That's what it appears to me,
Speaker 1: you know. But again I wasn't in his presence, so
Speaker 1: it's difficult to know. But Marina kind of supported that
Speaker 1: idea when at last I spoke to her many years
Speaker 1: ago that his Russian wasn't that great. You know, if
Speaker 1: you were patient with him, you could understand what he
Speaker 1: was trying to get at. But it wasn't you know, precise,
Speaker 1: let's say his Russian. But anyway, and that's the whole
Speaker 1: thing too, with the whole you know, translation and what's
Speaker 1: going on, and people are going after more. The community
Speaker 1: is getting weirder and weirder by the by the minute.
Speaker 1: I got to tell you too, I'm gonna hold my
Speaker 1: comments until after the conference really about this whole thing,
Speaker 1: because man, I got I got some things to say,
Speaker 1: and I'm really just trying to be diplomatic at this point,
Speaker 1: but it ain't easy. By the way, Jimmy, did you
Speaker 1: happen to catch that what do they call it? The
Speaker 1: Seiphered History podcast? That I did?
Speaker 6: No?
Speaker 4: Na yet?
Speaker 1: Okay, they finally got it up on you. They finally
Speaker 1: got it up on YouTube. But I spent five and
Speaker 1: a half hours with these guys because they lost the
Speaker 1: first three hours of the of a conversation. I kind
Speaker 1: of had to redo it and uh, and finally they
Speaker 1: got it out there. But it's kind of kind of interesting.
Speaker 1: I'm probably gonna put out the audio on my podcast feed,
Speaker 1: but I wanted to give them a chance to get
Speaker 1: it out there first, but it's up on YouTube, so
Speaker 1: may maybe I'll figure out a way to drop a
Speaker 1: link in the room. But they started, you know, really
Speaker 1: to grill me on the films. Was that.
Speaker 7: The films in the Plaza?
Speaker 1: Yeah?
Speaker 4: Really, yeah.
Speaker 1: I'm not sure which ones made it to I'm not
Speaker 1: sure which ones made it to the podcast, but we
Speaker 1: discussed several films from the Plaza. You know, obviously we
Speaker 1: had to touch on Suppruiter. I did a long thing
Speaker 1: on Nicks. I don't think he's in there, which sucks
Speaker 1: because I'm very sure the Gale would have been happy
Speaker 1: with it. But they were asking for explanations and you know,
Speaker 1: in certain really badly badly assembled conspiracy theories people have
Speaker 1: made out of some of the films, where I'm like, yeah,
Speaker 1: that's that's no good. You know, what people are talking
Speaker 1: about here and this, and that they're looking at a
Speaker 1: bad cop I mean, come on, you know, stuff like that,
Speaker 1: And and I gave them the context, you know, for
Speaker 1: what we actually have in our possession and what we're
Speaker 1: looking at. Literally, you know, here's the best copy of it.
Speaker 1: But these are copies. They're not the original, you know,
Speaker 1: and stuff like that, and even asked me about the
Speaker 1: Patsy Pascal film, which is a rare question from these guys.
Speaker 1: Nobody ever asked about that film. But it is one
Speaker 1: of the ones that wasn't, you know, part of the
Speaker 1: Groden collection for the longest time. It wasn't part of
Speaker 1: it at all, So a lot of people never saw
Speaker 1: it because you know, you got to give credit where
Speaker 1: credits due. Grodin his release of that bulk of films
Speaker 1: has now been like the place where everybody lifts them
Speaker 1: and uses them online and everything. They pretty much you've
Speaker 1: got to trace it back to him as to where
Speaker 1: they got these films that they're studying most of them,
Speaker 1: you know, even Sipruder. If you're looking at a stabilized
Speaker 1: the Pruder film, you know, Dimes to Donuts. I'm telling
Speaker 1: you right now, it's probably something that originated with Groden,
Speaker 1: you know. So you got to consider that when you're
Speaker 1: looking at how many generations away from the original copy
Speaker 1: and everything else. It's just remarkable the way that people
Speaker 1: misunderstand and take and read these things like they find
Speaker 1: what they want to find in the films, you know,
Speaker 1: so spent a couple a couple of hours. I think
Speaker 1: that podcast might ended up being an hour and a
Speaker 1: half or two hours, but there was a good five
Speaker 1: and a half six hours worth of stuff that should
Speaker 1: have been recorded when we're going over to films.
Speaker 4: So, now, what about Groden Groen? Has Groden showed us
Speaker 4: up lately?
Speaker 1: Yeah, of course yes, because.
Speaker 4: He usually pops up about.
Speaker 1: Yeah, of course.
Speaker 4: Well what's what that guy suppose?
Speaker 6: I sick?
Speaker 7: Yeah, I want to know what I mean market film
Speaker 7: And it's a stiff for because I'm guessing that he
Speaker 7: stole the cow from Wiesburg, which Wiseberg got to find
Speaker 7: the damn?
Speaker 1: Okay? So the which Martin film? Are we talking about? Jack?
Speaker 1: Or the other one?
Speaker 4: Shoddy Martin the Minace?
Speaker 1: So okay, okay, So you think that Weissberg probably had
Speaker 1: the original or a copy from the original.
Speaker 4: We got a copy of them from the FBI. Correct.
Speaker 1: Yeah, see, now the FBI's the FBI's possessions of these films.
Speaker 1: Is another weird point of contention, because that that was
Speaker 1: one of the things they were arguing about last night,
Speaker 1: and it's like, oh, we don't know the providence.
Speaker 4: Of this weird period Chef sixty four sixty eight evidence
Speaker 4: and then once scars just started as crap, that's when
Speaker 4: they clamped down, just saying.
Speaker 1: Well, yeah, but all that stuff from sixty four on
Speaker 1: is almost irrelevant because the original handling of it is
Speaker 1: where the problems begin. So that weekend on is where
Speaker 1: you got to look for where these things were first
Speaker 1: deposited and sent and sold to et cetera and collected,
Speaker 1: because everything else pretty much becomes, you know, a follow
Speaker 1: to the copy trail after that, even Garrison's copies. I
Speaker 1: had one of the ones that was made from Garrison's copies.
Speaker 1: I had literally had a physical possessional one, and they
Speaker 1: were rough, really bad copies. You know, there was practically
Speaker 1: no color in them, so all the color was gone,
Speaker 1: even though it was a color print, you know, which
Speaker 1: tells you that this is, you know, not not a
Speaker 1: solid job. They didn't they didn't take the time to
Speaker 1: you know, reproduce this thing well. And I don't know
Speaker 1: where it was done, but there was a mass of
Speaker 1: them done, and then they were distributed on the college
Speaker 1: campuses after that, and I don't know if copies were
Speaker 1: made of those copies, but by the time I got mine,
Speaker 1: I mean literally, it was like almost like no color
Speaker 1: was being projected anymore, Like you couldn't You could see
Speaker 1: it on the film, but it was vague, you know,
Speaker 1: the color and everything. So it was And it's funny
Speaker 1: if you take a look at that and you overlay
Speaker 1: it on you know, good color like slide from say
Speaker 1: the McMillan version of it, which was put on the
Speaker 1: CD rom Did you ever see that, by the way, Jimmy,
Speaker 1: the McMillan version of the film.
Speaker 4: No, But the minute you say that name, all I
Speaker 4: could think of is that crazy woman McMillan.
Speaker 1: Yeah, but well, I don't know if they're related. But
Speaker 1: there used to be a media or a publishing company,
Speaker 1: let's say McMillan who ended up really dominating, like say
Speaker 1: the school age textbook industry in the country. You've heard
Speaker 1: of them, right, the McMillan publishers.
Speaker 4: Yes, well so mclovin.
Speaker 1: No, that can't be right. No, McMillan, it's McMillan. Yeah,
Speaker 1: it's McMillan. And they produced probably the majority of us
Speaker 1: that that went to public schools, say in the you know,
Speaker 1: in the sixties, seventies, eighties. It's a guarantee that the
Speaker 1: majority of our textbooks were likely, you know, McMillan books
Speaker 1: the majority of what we had to handle almost anywhere
Speaker 1: in the sixties, seventies, eighties. So, but they were they
Speaker 1: were a publisher, and they did a CD ROM on
Speaker 1: the Zubruter film. Have you ever been aware of that
Speaker 1: that there was like a CD ROMs study of the
Speaker 1: Subruter film for computers like in the nineties.
Speaker 4: Well, I'm sure it happened. I mean, I never fooled
Speaker 4: with those things.
Speaker 1: Okay, Well, it's just that it gave you a good,
Speaker 1: a good something to study, you know, good digital reproduction
Speaker 1: of the film, especially for its time period. It was
Speaker 1: it was, you know, the best you were going to
Speaker 1: get for sure to be able to see the film right,
Speaker 1: and you had to be in the TV industry to
Speaker 1: do better. They made a few mistakes, but if you
Speaker 1: look at the McMillan version and you're able to take
Speaker 1: like say one of those a slide even from that
Speaker 1: one of the crappy Garrison versions, you know, you can
Speaker 1: overlay it and you can see that it definitely hasn't
Speaker 1: been altered in between then and then. So what I'm
Speaker 1: saying is that the film that you know was gotten
Speaker 1: from time Life and then bootlegged is the same film
Speaker 1: that they produced. You know, maybe they did it at
Speaker 1: the end of the eighties, but they definitely distributed in
Speaker 1: the nineties. The McMillan maybe you could look that up
Speaker 1: real quick, b PTE. The DVD ROM or CD ROM
Speaker 1: of the Zapruder film. It was kind of a unique
Speaker 1: thing and I'm pretty sure it was. Yeah, it was
Speaker 1: released by McMillan. I know that, and somewhere in my
Speaker 1: archive of crap. I definitely have one still, you know,
Speaker 1: because it is a solid study aid still even I
Speaker 1: would say, if you can get a computer that will
Speaker 1: run as.
Speaker 4: That would be the first that's the first digital version.
Speaker 1: Then well there's two. There's two things that I would
Speaker 1: say contend for the first digital version. One is the
Speaker 1: MPI home video, which they did a VHS release of,
Speaker 1: like the Zubruder film.
Speaker 3: Is this the one called Is this the one called
Speaker 3: the Image of an Assassination?
Speaker 1: No, that's that's the one that I'm talking about now.
Speaker 1: The CD ROM is different. Yeah, The Image of an
Speaker 1: Assassination is a basically just a home video showing you
Speaker 1: the Zubruder film and slow motion blown up everything, and
Speaker 1: they created uh, you know. They they created a frame
Speaker 1: by frame scan in order to create image of an assassination,
Speaker 1: the same way that McMillan did. Now the mp I want, Yeah,
Speaker 1: that's that.
Speaker 4: That's the one that I read from HOFDW foot Hollywood
Speaker 4: video cap.
Speaker 1: Yeah. Probably, yeah, And if you were real lucky, you
Speaker 1: might have found it on DVD because there was a
Speaker 1: short run on DVD as well. Today there are many
Speaker 1: bootlegs of that dv day like they made for them,
Speaker 1: but they're made from the VHS, which is funny. So
Speaker 1: if you were to get something even better than you know,
Speaker 1: or even like a digital reproduction, they digitally reproduced it
Speaker 1: but then ended up putting it on a VHS tape,
Speaker 1: so you know VHS. You know what the resolution was
Speaker 1: like on that.
Speaker 7: Well, this was before BD.
Speaker 4: This was the glory days. Yes, when VHS was keen man.
Speaker 4: The left coast used to be cool back then. Dude,
Speaker 4: Oh yeah, the whole bottom floor was a Hollywood visit.
Speaker 4: Well no, maybe a million titles and then the whole
Speaker 4: second storically I had Shop.
Speaker 1: La Ahead shop. Uh all right, well look I'm gonna
Speaker 1: put you on hold, Jimmy because we got other callers,
Speaker 1: but stick around and we'll continue the conversation. But the
Speaker 1: the film thing is he's getting weird. I got to
Speaker 1: tell you in Mantic is going to present. I don't
Speaker 1: want to promote this, but Mantic, I think, is going
Speaker 1: to present at the Baker Conference. So you know, make
Speaker 1: of it what you will. And he did an appearance
Speaker 1: on Black Op Radio last night, and I'm not here
Speaker 1: to do his pr but he might be on this
Speaker 1: show next week. We'll see if I can arrange that.
Speaker 1: He wanted to come on this week, but like, he
Speaker 1: wanted to do it at an odd time of day,
Speaker 1: and I was not ready for him immediately, so because
Speaker 1: we would have done it in the morning, and anybody
Speaker 1: who knows me knows morning is not my time of day.
Speaker 1: And it just I was like, yeah, maybe we're better
Speaker 1: off doing it next week. And he's like, you know what, yes,
Speaker 1: because I'm not as busy and I want to come
Speaker 1: on next week. So we'll see if we can get
Speaker 1: mantic on to explain.
Speaker 4: Sorry, Charles with seven am be okay, yeah.
Speaker 1: That's a little rough.
Speaker 4: Farls with seven am ok be a little a.
Speaker 1: Little rough, a little rough for me anyway, hold on,
Speaker 1: so let's put Jimmy on hold, and uh, I have
Speaker 1: another call here. I'm not sure who we got, but
Speaker 1: let's see and uh, there we go. You're alive and
Speaker 1: uh tracked some Ken. Hey Ken, how's it going, man?
Speaker 8: I'm the one little girl I was listening in and
Speaker 8: I actually have a few things to stay with many.
Speaker 1: Yeah, sure, Ken, Let's first identify who you are, okay,
Speaker 1: Uh sure, because I've been back and forth quite a
Speaker 1: bit with Ken recently, and also we're working together him,
Speaker 1: his wife, myself. Uh you know, Ken, I'm always afraid
Speaker 1: to pronounce your last name. Uh so, you know, but
Speaker 1: it's it looks like Zenda Car. It looks like Zenda Car. Okay,
Speaker 1: but I don't know if I did that right, I
Speaker 1: probably butchered it. Yeah that's not close fair enough, thank you.
Speaker 1: I'm sensitive to that because, believe me, o'celly gets put
Speaker 1: your eighty different ways. But here's one of the guys that, Yeah,
Speaker 1: I'm sure, we're literally working with on the Lancer conference
Speaker 1: and we're actually due for a conference call.
Speaker 6: Ken.
Speaker 1: Uh so, I didn't know you were calling in tonight,
Speaker 1: but anyway, sure, say what you like. I was talking
Speaker 1: about the films and Mantic just now, but yes, I
Speaker 1: was on this. Oh okay, so I'll just shut up then,
Speaker 1: unless be Pete, you got something you want to talk
Speaker 1: to Ken about real quick or ask him or anything
Speaker 1: before we let him get into it.
Speaker 3: No, I'm still trying to find your CD ROM version
Speaker 3: of the suppruve or film and it having a weak
Speaker 3: through a bunch of crap.
Speaker 1: But I'm sorry, Well, it's not something that there's a
Speaker 1: lot of them out there anymore. It's probably a collector's
Speaker 1: item at this point, Ken, the you know the McMillan. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I'm not. Yeah, I think I have one as well.
Speaker 1: That is one of the old tools that I might
Speaker 1: still actually have. I'm looking to maybe collect a few
Speaker 1: new ones. But I'm gonna have no cash at the conference,
Speaker 1: I was saying to people earlier, so you might want
Speaker 1: to make contributions guys to help me. You know, eat,
Speaker 1: have a razor, buy cigarettes throughout the weekend if you can. Coffee.
Speaker 1: Coffee is something I'm gonna need, just saying, because I
Speaker 1: plan to be working all weekend on the Lancer conference,
Speaker 1: which again is the twenty first to the twenty third
Speaker 1: next month and less than a month from now, I
Speaker 1: expect to be on my way home. So you know,
Speaker 1: we're ticking right on up to it, and I'm a
Speaker 1: little nervous. Ken, I gotta be honest with you, because
Speaker 1: I got no funds. I'm kind of going there like
Speaker 1: on a shoe string, and I'm taking a ride. And
Speaker 1: full disclosure, Ken is supposed to be giving me a
Speaker 1: ride there. I hope that plan is still in place
Speaker 1: because I don't have an alternative to get in there. Okay,
Speaker 1: So Ken and I are going on a road trip
Speaker 1: to Lancer, probably what on the twentieth or something, a
Speaker 1: day or two before the conference, because we'll have to
Speaker 1: start get there twelve hours, right, Yeah, it's that area, right, Yeah,
Speaker 1: So latest will leave probably is like Thursday morning or something.
Speaker 1: If we're gonna leave early, you know, I mean, if
Speaker 1: we're gonna leave early on Thursday with that, yeah, right,
Speaker 1: that would be the latest time we'd leave is Thursday morning.
Speaker 1: So we'd probably leave on the twentieth that latest, and
Speaker 1: then yeah, on the twenty fourth here, I expect to
Speaker 1: be either home or on the way back, so you know,
Speaker 1: and you're you're also bringing me home, right, I didn't
Speaker 1: even ask yes, Okay, yes, thank god? Because the blind
Speaker 1: guy can't rent a car and get here no matter
Speaker 1: how much money I have, even if I had money,
Speaker 1: So I'm kind of depending on you Ken, you know,
Speaker 1: don't strand me. Okay, anyways, all jokes aside. Uh, yeah,
Speaker 1: Mantic is definitely making waves and being mentioned in a
Speaker 1: lot of places. And like I said, uh, you know,
Speaker 1: has continued to publish on the Sabbruder film now And
Speaker 1: I heard a lot of conversation about it last night,
Speaker 1: and I was kind of like, oh, man, are we
Speaker 1: still doing this? But anyway, go ahead and say what
Speaker 1: you got to say about it or want to say
Speaker 1: about anything. Go ahead, Okay, Well, so.
Speaker 8: Is making small waves in a kitty hoole of neronic ideas,
Speaker 8: and and they're there.
Speaker 1: Uh and.
Speaker 8: Yeah, I would probably also throw in, uh, that's as well.
Speaker 6: People who.
Speaker 9: Are trying to state that these Prudis film was altered, Okay,
Speaker 9: it literally couldnot be done.
Speaker 6: During that optical printers could not capture the images.
Speaker 10: Between these brockels, And even if they could, you would
Speaker 10: have to basically reform that be ask doact ratio and
Speaker 10: then put it onto a film, and you would have
Speaker 10: to alter the entire thing prior.
Speaker 1: To the.
Speaker 9: The inpertinent issue by being where they printed very important frames.
Speaker 6: So his pause right there, You're like, what are they
Speaker 6: trying to say?
Speaker 1: Can is altered? Can pause right there, because I guarantee
Speaker 1: a lot of people are already lost. Right you're talking
Speaker 1: about optical printers and all this other stuff. Let's bring
Speaker 1: it down to the very most simple elements, okay, which look,
Speaker 1: this is this is what I think I'm good at.
Speaker 1: Maybe I'm not. You know, your your judgment, even to
Speaker 1: all of you. But the thing is this you have
Speaker 1: to you are well. I appreciate that. But even if
Speaker 1: I'm stupid, let's try and bring it down to stupid
Speaker 1: levels so we can understand this. Okay, Okay, November twenty
Speaker 1: nine is the date right of the Life magazine where
Speaker 1: they print Depending on which version you have, they print
Speaker 1: what between four and six I think, like frames from
Speaker 1: the Subbruder film. I don't have it in front of me,
Speaker 1: but I know I have copies behind me, big colored.
Speaker 6: I have it on my belt, but I have like
Speaker 6: a hundred of them, so yeah, I know I have.
Speaker 1: I have more than one version of it too. That's
Speaker 1: the other thing, which by the way, is weird. But okay,
Speaker 1: The thing is this, these things a big giant life
Speaker 1: magazine from that era is not even like magazine size
Speaker 1: of recent years where it had a standard It was
Speaker 1: the larger standard size magazine of the era. So that's
Speaker 1: the first thing. And these are the bruter frames were
Speaker 1: literally half a page apiece, okay, on the magazine in color,
Speaker 1: very nicely printed really, And they have one version where
Speaker 1: you have frame three thirteen that got out, and one
Speaker 1: version that doesn't contain frame three thirteen, okay, which is
Speaker 1: the head explosion frame, to put it in layman's terms,
Speaker 1: all right, And those numbers come from the FBI, the
Speaker 1: number of frames, et cetera. Okay, So again without getting
Speaker 1: lost in the details, that thing has a publication date
Speaker 1: of the twenty ninth, sure of November, right, So if
Speaker 1: it was published on the twenty ninth, that means that
Speaker 1: it was printed ahead of the twenty ninth. It was
Speaker 1: shipped okay to subscribers and everything else. Usually, you know,
Speaker 1: a normal magazine, they ship it a little bit ahead
Speaker 1: of the date that it says on the cover. So
Speaker 1: what you're saying is that in a week's time, okay,
Speaker 1: from the twenty second, when the event occurs, to the
Speaker 1: twenty ninth. This would be the maximum amount of time
Speaker 1: you have to release this magazine fully printed, ready to go,
Speaker 1: so that means retrieve it, get the film, reproduce it
Speaker 1: so that it's usable transfer it over. And this is
Speaker 1: not in the age of digital any damn thing. So
Speaker 1: you have to deep in mind that there was a
Speaker 1: very small window, okay where this could have been done.
Speaker 1: So you have a film that has to be in
Speaker 1: the possession obviously of Time Life and their various agents,
Speaker 1: which then inserts Robert Groden into the equation retroactively, because
Speaker 1: later on he gets hold of a mechanics copy okay,
Speaker 1: from one of the places that was hired to do
Speaker 1: some of the work for Life magazine. Okay, just let
Speaker 1: me know when I make a mistake, can I appreciate it?
Speaker 1: So here's the thing. You have one week where it's
Speaker 1: even possible for them to take and start putting frames out.
Speaker 1: That's one two all of this.
Speaker 6: Obviously, I would say, it's not even a week.
Speaker 1: Sorry, I.
Speaker 6: I'm just cutting here.
Speaker 1: Uh.
Speaker 6: They have to counter it when by nine woman flew
Speaker 6: it all the way to your city.
Speaker 1: Well, if you don't mind, I want to add that
Speaker 1: punchline if you don't mind, Ken, I want to add
Speaker 1: that punchline at the end, if you don't mind, because
Speaker 1: that week is now going to is gonna get worse
Speaker 1: later on when I explain what we got to cut
Speaker 1: off of that week, because there's a bunch of things.
Speaker 1: But let's just leave it at They have a week
Speaker 1: before they have to, you know, publicize portions of the film. Okay,
Speaker 1: so we'll put that aside for now, and understand this.
Speaker 1: The other major contention that I keep hearing from like everybody, is, oh,
Speaker 1: they removed frames. Okay, this concept of removing frames to
Speaker 1: change the speed, to change the direction of the head, snap,
Speaker 1: to do all these different things. Okay, forget about their
Speaker 1: goals and what it is they were trying to achieve,
Speaker 1: all right, because here's the bottom line. The public doesn't
Speaker 1: necessarily understand film to begin with, and certainly there is
Speaker 1: now an even bigger problem because of the difference in
Speaker 1: technology from then to now and even all of the
Speaker 1: in betweens. Okay, here's the problem, though, If you literally
Speaker 1: pluck frames from a film of that time period, you
Speaker 1: do not get the expected effects that people think. It's
Speaker 1: not like pulling pages out of a flip book and
Speaker 1: rearranging them. It doesn't work that way. So this is
Speaker 1: why they need to introduce all of these other intricacies
Speaker 1: of the optical printer and how state of the art
Speaker 1: cutting edge stuff. And here's the thing. I will concede
Speaker 1: that there was cutting edge technology in the hands of
Speaker 1: many people, whether it's in Hollywood or at the CIA
Speaker 1: or whatever else. But I promise we're generations ahead of
Speaker 1: what the general public knew about. So I don't even
Speaker 1: want to, you know, get into the muck on that argument.
Speaker 1: Here's the thing, though, if you just pull frames out
Speaker 1: of that film as quickly as you would have to
Speaker 1: before it was viewed by many people, uh who before
Speaker 1: it was viewed by people in the government uh and
Speaker 1: outside of the government. Because remember, the FBI walked away
Speaker 1: with a copy. According to the story that I know,
Speaker 1: the FBI walked away with a copy. Okay, the time
Speaker 1: Life people walked away with a copy, and then there
Speaker 1: was a third copy at least that it's a little confusing,
Speaker 1: but I think, yeah, go ahead.
Speaker 6: Yeah, slightly wrong, Go ahead. So in one of the
Speaker 6: copies there was a thrifmaide on that day. The other
Speaker 6: two when Cheo.
Speaker 10: The Secrets did this, and the FBI actually requested a
Speaker 10: I'm copy.
Speaker 6: From one of these Chris Wares, but they had on
Speaker 6: two of them.
Speaker 1: Yeah, okay. The Secret Service ended up loaning one of
Speaker 1: their copies to the FBI, if I remember right, that's
Speaker 1: where their copy comes from, and that's what they wind
Speaker 1: up using as a training aid and also used in
Speaker 1: the production of that WFAA TV thing that I posted online,
Speaker 1: which was this whole production which showed you pieces of
Speaker 1: nix Zupruter and much more. Okay, which coincidentally, yes, we're
Speaker 1: also printed frame by frame in the Warren Commission volumes.
Speaker 1: I think it's eighteen if I'm not mistaken. Volume eighteen
Speaker 1: I think contains the Prince of the film.
Speaker 6: Of course, yes eight beam Exhibit eighty.
Speaker 1: Thank you, Exhibit eight eighty five is supruiter, but much
Speaker 1: more in Knicks are in there. They're like right after
Speaker 1: it in the same volume, right, Sorry, Ken, you kind
Speaker 1: of like went funny there for a second. I didn't
Speaker 1: hear you.
Speaker 6: Oh sorry, I said, I think it's in the same song,
Speaker 6: but I would have to couple watch out.
Speaker 1: Yeah, no problem, but either way, there's black and white
Speaker 1: prints of that in the Warren Commission volumes. All right,
Speaker 1: either way, all of these things would now have to
Speaker 1: match once again afterwards. And this idea of just plucking
Speaker 1: frames out is ludicrous if you actually did it, It
Speaker 1: makes no sense with the things that they're trying to
Speaker 1: say they would have accomplished now if you turn around
Speaker 1: and you pull the elements apart and literally do which. Yes, indeed,
Speaker 1: there was a lot of like Hollywood magic where people
Speaker 1: did some wild things with films before the days of photoshop,
Speaker 1: et cetera. Okay, before George Lucas had to invent editing programs, okay,
Speaker 1: which he did. He invented stuff in order to shoot
Speaker 1: Star Wars, Okay, long before those days, they had lots
Speaker 1: of wild magic. Some stuff they did literally with like
Speaker 1: razor blades and clear tape I'm not kidding, where they
Speaker 1: literally would take somebody and cut them carefully out of
Speaker 1: a frame and place them in a place where they
Speaker 1: couldn't possibly be and stuff like that. Okay. They used
Speaker 1: to do some of that stuff by hand.
Speaker 6: Yeah, it's called.
Speaker 1: Yeah, superimposing, right, okay, And that was the very physical
Speaker 1: version of doing it, which was one way, and there
Speaker 1: were other magical ways that they reshot stuff. They created
Speaker 1: different methodologies for literally like shooting a film onto a
Speaker 1: film so that you could put something in between. And
Speaker 1: there's a lot of stuff to it. There's whole, probably
Speaker 1: whole college curriculum that could be run on the different
Speaker 1: techniques and magic that was used in order to accomplish
Speaker 1: certain things from an audio and video perspective in Hollywood alone,
Speaker 1: not to mention that there were independent technologies developed in
Speaker 1: some other places that didn't necessarily make it to be screens.
Speaker 1: But either way, all of these things did end up
Speaker 1: coming together and where do you bring the best ideas
Speaker 1: to where the most money can be made. So that
Speaker 1: of course means Hollywood attracted and collected these methodologies, but
Speaker 1: it also means that when it came time to make
Speaker 1: propaganda as opposed to doing what they had to do
Speaker 1: in early newsreels, which by the way, we know now
Speaker 1: that certain historical events, okay that were supposedly captured on
Speaker 1: camera are recreations and productions that were created by news
Speaker 1: corporation people in order to show a film. I mean, coincidentally,
Speaker 1: you got a guy that's there on the particular day
Speaker 1: that the Americans invaded an island, and they've got a
Speaker 1: perfectly clear picture of exactly how they invaded an island. Okay, yeah, yeah, no,
Speaker 1: that's not what happened. They didn't happen to have three
Speaker 1: cameras set up before the surprise attack occurred. Okay, use
Speaker 1: your head about that stuff. But at the time people
Speaker 1: saw it and it was like here's news were actually
Speaker 1: showing you news. So there is stuff that was done
Speaker 1: in the news media, so to speak, of the time.
Speaker 1: Even though there wasn't TV, there was newsreels, you know,
Speaker 1: before that, And so in movie theaters people saw movie
Speaker 1: magic presented to them as historical footage, as things happening
Speaker 1: in real life. You know, sometimes they did actually shoot
Speaker 1: historical events, you know, a speech somewhere, something that occurred,
Speaker 1: the aftermath of a riot, whatever. They did get those
Speaker 1: things sometimes, but a bunch of them, we find out
Speaker 1: later were fabricated. So the idea that somebody could create
Speaker 1: historical footage is also plausible, but when you try to
Speaker 1: assemble this thing, it becomes problematic. So on the simplest
Speaker 1: of levels, a lot of the techniques that are being
Speaker 1: discussed about how alteration occurred have problems with who has
Speaker 1: possession of the film, how they rounded it all back up,
Speaker 1: with none of the odd copies really getting out anywhere
Speaker 1: except what three guys on the planet have said they've
Speaker 1: seen the completely altered version. I've seen some unusual versions
Speaker 1: of the film myself, which contained more stuff than what
Speaker 1: we usually get shown. But just like I told you know,
Speaker 1: what do you call it? My goodness, Gail, you know,
Speaker 1: Gail nick Jackson, just like I told her about who
Speaker 1: the hell was the cheerleader on your grandfather's film. She
Speaker 1: almost fell over because she was like, hardly anybody knows
Speaker 1: about that. I'm like, yeah, I've actually seen something that
Speaker 1: was closer to the original than most people, because we
Speaker 1: had to go find these things down, and indeed people
Speaker 1: have had them at certain points, and now they seem
Speaker 1: to have vanished. So there is a hall of mirrors
Speaker 1: here regarding providence, regarding who had possession, regarding who got copies,
Speaker 1: regarding where the originals may or may not be. Even
Speaker 1: there is a good question, a good solid question about
Speaker 1: the original that is in the hands of the National Archives. Ken,
Speaker 1: because you know the indicators on the film, they tell
Speaker 1: you where something was printed, where it was developed. Okay,
Speaker 1: things like this and according to my understanding, we've got
Speaker 1: problems with the numbers on the sprocket holes there when
Speaker 1: it comes to the supposed Zubruter film. Okay, so I
Speaker 1: find it questionable, and I think we should clarify these things,
Speaker 1: But to go all the way into the land of
Speaker 1: it's been reproduced, the back of his head's blacked out,
Speaker 1: and all these other things, I think this is all
Speaker 1: based on fundamental misunderstandings of a few things. One, the
Speaker 1: way that film works, Okay, the way that film actually
Speaker 1: works to begin with, if you're not trying to tamper
Speaker 1: with it and how it works. I think these people
Speaker 1: don't understand any of that in most cases, and if
Speaker 1: they do have a rudimentary understanding of that, they're lacking
Speaker 1: a knowledge in what I'll just call opkins. There are
Speaker 1: certain things that are ocur optically when photographing that don't
Speaker 1: necessarily look exactly like real life, but are artifacts of
Speaker 1: various effects. Different light that comes in, reflections that come
Speaker 1: from a source you don't even see on the camera.
Speaker 1: Various things happen. The darkening of the back of JFK's head,
Speaker 1: for instance, big thing they wave about is problematic because
Speaker 1: it does to the naked eye look pretty strange and suspicious.
Speaker 1: But having familiarized myself with the anomalies in many different films,
Speaker 1: when you have organic light and various things that can
Speaker 1: redirect it, refract it, and reflect it that are being photographed, okay,
Speaker 1: you can come up with a great many explanations for that.
Speaker 1: I mean even the backyard photos which somebody got very
Speaker 1: angry at me about recently, where they said, well, those
Speaker 1: shadows are impossible. I said, well, it so happens. I
Speaker 1: have a friend who went to that address on that
Speaker 1: calendar day, okay, because if you go there on the
Speaker 1: same calendar day, you should ostensibly have the sun in
Speaker 1: the same position, which helps with half shadows wind up falling.
Speaker 1: By the way, right, I've had somebody go there and
Speaker 1: stand on the exact correct spot when they were, you know,
Speaker 1: remodeling and ripping down the steps. In fact, that person
Speaker 1: took one of the steps home as a souvenir that
Speaker 1: you see. You see a pair of set of steps
Speaker 1: on the left hand side of the photo. Right anyway,
Speaker 1: stood in the spot where Oswald is and stood there
Speaker 1: not with a gun, but stood there with the club
Speaker 1: from their car there used to be this thing called
Speaker 1: a club you put on your steering wheel. It's supposed
Speaker 1: to prevent theft anyway. Oh right, he stood there with
Speaker 1: the club in his hands, holding it in an orientation
Speaker 1: similar to the gun, just to see if the shadows
Speaker 1: off of the head and this and that, and he
Speaker 1: was of a similar height, let's say, to Oswald, similar
Speaker 1: not exact, And you get a general idea that those
Speaker 1: seemingly insanely differential shadows that had to be from different
Speaker 1: sources and all that. Guess what, they for the most part,
Speaker 1: can be reproduced in that position at the right time
Speaker 1: of day. Okay, on the right day, you can reproduce
Speaker 1: all those The shadow argument is gone if you do that,
Speaker 1: and he did it. Yeah, So I'm just saying that
Speaker 1: there are ways to go about this to be precise
Speaker 1: and attract certain things down the back of the head thing.
Speaker 1: I believe it's an anomaly, and I believe there's an
Speaker 1: explanation for it. I don't have confidence enough to tell
Speaker 1: you exactly how it goes step by step, but I've
Speaker 1: found plausible explanations from people who understand the optics, who
Speaker 1: understands how the lens in that camera works. Okay, et cetera,
Speaker 1: et cetera. And they also understand how light sources shift
Speaker 1: around and change things and create things. With those understandings
Speaker 1: in hand, I've had people walk me through and I
Speaker 1: see an explanation that is reasonable for the back of
Speaker 1: the head being blacked out. Now, I know that sounds
Speaker 1: crazy to some people, but it is what I see. Now.
Speaker 1: Do I say we shouldn't explore this, No, but here
Speaker 1: we go. It's one of these things where you were saying, Ken,
Speaker 1: I wanted to lay that out as simply as possible.
Speaker 1: Though the two big things, the back of the head
Speaker 1: thing where it's blacked out, where people scream about it
Speaker 1: and they remove frames to take out this or that,
Speaker 1: or to change the speed or change the direction. Almost
Speaker 1: every single thing they're saying you could accomplish by taking
Speaker 1: out frames cannot even be accomplished. By taking out frames,
Speaker 1: you would get a wholly different looking thing, right. And also,
Speaker 1: these are people who have also not seen an unstabilized
Speaker 1: version of that film, which is another issue. The stabilization
Speaker 1: creates certain effects in the film, and it's you know,
Speaker 1: it's a benefit, but it does change the way the
Speaker 1: film was actually originally shot. Just a bit, and I've
Speaker 1: seen a shaky version. It really does change what it
Speaker 1: is you're seeing on the screen. And I know I'm
Speaker 1: not one hundred percent qualified there because of my bad eyesight,
Speaker 1: but here's the thing. I pay a lot of attention
Speaker 1: to what little eyesight I have. So I'm telling you
Speaker 1: now that there is a perspective shift here that is
Speaker 1: also something that you know, ninety nine percent of the
Speaker 1: public has I guaranteed never even seen. So none of
Speaker 1: us have actually seen the original first of all, and