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<v Speaker 1>Ready four tell me that, as the blind man yells

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<v Speaker 1>at his computer, it is October twenty four, twenty twenty five,

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<v Speaker 1>allegedly according to that thing we call a calendar, and

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<v Speaker 1>I'm finally back to being live. Of course, most of

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<v Speaker 1>you catch the podcast, whether you like it or not.

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<v Speaker 1>That's how anybody listens to me anymore. Most of the

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<v Speaker 1>time the live show is not so popular. But if

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<v Speaker 1>you're hearing me, let's see, it's almost twenty three minutes

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<v Speaker 1>after eight God help me, eight pm Eastern here on

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<v Speaker 1>the twenty fourth day of October twenty twenty five. Right,

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<v Speaker 1>if you're hearing me live right then and there in

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<v Speaker 1>the Eastern time zone, you can call in and become

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<v Speaker 1>part of this whatever it becomes. Okay, three one nine

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<v Speaker 1>five two seven five zero one. I even put out

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<v Speaker 1>announcements about this ahead of time, and went live at

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<v Speaker 1>seven thirty, ready to roll, and did a short podcast,

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<v Speaker 1>and I was ready to go. I was signing off

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<v Speaker 1>two minutes before my time, and I thought I was

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<v Speaker 1>all said. All I had to do was make a

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<v Speaker 1>new link for be Pete to join me, and then

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<v Speaker 1>turn on the phones and We're good to go. Nope, anyway,

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<v Speaker 1>That's that kind of sums up my week, though. Every

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<v Speaker 1>time I try and do something, complications getting away, delay it,

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<v Speaker 1>destroy it, or absolutely cancel it. And that just seems

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<v Speaker 1>to be the way things are going, whether it's a

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<v Speaker 1>piece of work, whether it's money I'm supposed to get,

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<v Speaker 1>whether it's you know, the things that are supposed to

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<v Speaker 1>go my way, a piece of technology. Hell, yesterday and

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<v Speaker 1>my son comes to me and says, I can't get

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<v Speaker 1>my TV screen on because we don't have TV, but

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<v Speaker 1>he does have a PlayStation, and lo and behold the

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<v Speaker 1>big TV that we hardly ever use. That he pretty

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<v Speaker 1>much just has to himself out there in the living

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<v Speaker 1>room is no longer working. So I don't know what

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<v Speaker 1>to tell you. Technology turning against me, the software turning

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<v Speaker 1>against me? Am I paranoid? Or does the world really

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<v Speaker 1>hate me? Perhaps it's just God who hates me. I

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<v Speaker 1>don't know. I'm thinking out loud about all these things

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<v Speaker 1>at the moment, and I'm trying to do some good

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<v Speaker 1>and get ready cause a month from today I'm going

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<v Speaker 1>to be on my way home, hopefully, you know, in

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<v Speaker 1>one piece and everything from Dallas, Okay, and I don't

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<v Speaker 1>even know how I'm going to handle buying a razor

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<v Speaker 1>and even to have a couple of packs of cigarettes

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<v Speaker 1>while I go away. I don't even know how I'm

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<v Speaker 1>doing that. So you know, I do have a ride there,

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<v Speaker 1>and I've got a room to crash in, but everything

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<v Speaker 1>else is going to be on the hustle that weekend,

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<v Speaker 1>got to tell you, and I'm looking forward to it

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<v Speaker 1>in a way. But also I'm going to be working

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<v Speaker 1>my ass off and I'll keep to myself until afterwards

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<v Speaker 1>how I think things are going to go. But I

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<v Speaker 1>swear I should write it in a sealed envelope so

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<v Speaker 1>that I can, you know, show people that I'm able

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<v Speaker 1>to predict the future. Oh. Also, next week on Friday,

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<v Speaker 1>before we go live, okay, on this show. On Friday Night,

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<v Speaker 1>we're going to do a special and there should be

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<v Speaker 1>a lot of JFK people calling in next Friday night

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<v Speaker 1>before I do this show, and we're gonna, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>like say, starting at about five pm Eastern. It's the

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<v Speaker 1>plan right now, We're gonna have all the presenters that

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<v Speaker 1>we can gather call in and on Halloween tell you

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<v Speaker 1>what it is they're going to be talking about. At

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<v Speaker 1>the Lancer conference, and also, god knows this, a couple

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<v Speaker 1>other things we might schedule along the way. So between

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<v Speaker 1>five pm and eight pm Eastern next Friday, that's what

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<v Speaker 1>we'll be doing on here, and I've got some other

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<v Speaker 1>interesting live plans for next week. We'll definitely hear from

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<v Speaker 1>Larry Hancock again. I'm hoping to hear from Mike Swanson and

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<v Speaker 1>maybe some first time guests. I don't know how it's

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<v Speaker 1>gonna go for this young man who is eighteen and

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<v Speaker 1>wanted to come on and begin a retro radio kind

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<v Speaker 1>of thing with us. We might have that announcement coming

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<v Speaker 1>up soon and perhaps a nervous breakdown or two for

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<v Speaker 1>me along the way. I don't know, so, b Pete,

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<v Speaker 1>how has your week been? Before I get into any

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<v Speaker 1>other housekeeping duties and updating people on anything else, how's

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<v Speaker 1>things going your neck of the woods.

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<v Speaker 2>I've been busy all week. I've had contractors.

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<v Speaker 3>And give me quotes on getting some power run out

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<v Speaker 3>to the garage and some other things I.

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<v Speaker 2>Need to get done. So it's been busy.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, you're still improving that house, huh.

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<v Speaker 3>Other than that, trying to get study working on this

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<v Speaker 3>thing till I die.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, you're still upgrading and improving that house. Renovations and such.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, Yeah, it's been It's been kind of hard because

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<v Speaker 3>contractors trying to get them.

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<v Speaker 2>In and get quotes from.

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<v Speaker 3>You know, one guy takes a week and a half

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<v Speaker 3>to get you a price together. It's apparently you know

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<v Speaker 3>there's work to be done, but these guys are so

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<v Speaker 3>busy that they I just can't get to it. Give

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<v Speaker 3>you a price and get on down the road.

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<v Speaker 2>Let you make a decision.

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<v Speaker 3>But I finally settled with one guy. It's gonna cost

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<v Speaker 3>me probably about six hundred bucks to run power out

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<v Speaker 3>and get my whole garage done, and then I'm completely

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<v Speaker 3>renovated and then move inside over the wintertime. I still

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<v Speaker 3>got a fireplace to convert from gas logs over to

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<v Speaker 3>just back to a regular fireplace.

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<v Speaker 2>I get all that done for it gets cold.

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<v Speaker 1>Sounds like you're putting your quote retirement end quote to

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<v Speaker 1>good use, because you're supposed to be sort of retired

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<v Speaker 1>now and you're upgrading the home. I mean, that's what

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<v Speaker 1>a lot of people decide to do, right when they

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<v Speaker 1>stop doing their steady day job. Right.

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<v Speaker 3>Well, I'm hoping that when I need it, I can

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<v Speaker 3>flip this thing and get into something smaller.

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<v Speaker 2>I don't need this big of a house.

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<v Speaker 3>I just go buy one of those tiny houses and

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<v Speaker 3>put it on a little quarter acre lots somewhere.

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<v Speaker 1>Or maybe you can hang on to it as a

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<v Speaker 1>rental property, you know, and utilize it as a piece

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<v Speaker 1>of income. I mean that's possibility too, right now.

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<v Speaker 3>Okay, well I could, I could, and it would help

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<v Speaker 3>on time, he says. But if I go ahead and

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<v Speaker 3>sell it, then I can do something else, get something

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<v Speaker 3>one level, much smaller, much more.

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<v Speaker 2>That's the problem.

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<v Speaker 3>I'm hoping to get this thing flipped before I have

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<v Speaker 3>to replace a central heating unit or something major. So,

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<v Speaker 3>I mean, I've got enough to do ripping out the

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<v Speaker 3>floor in a kitchen. We're going to open that thing

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<v Speaker 3>up this fall and get all that done, so I

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<v Speaker 3>don't I'm scared of a new heat pump. I'm looking at,

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<v Speaker 3>you know, twenty thousand dollars.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh, twenty grand for a heat pump. Huh wow, Well

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<v Speaker 1>that's you know, but it's a good thing to have

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<v Speaker 1>something though, you know.

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<v Speaker 2>So we do heat pump and then have to.

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<v Speaker 3>Well it's they told me when I first got in here,

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<v Speaker 3>when I had to get a bunch of duck work

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<v Speaker 3>to replace that. Replacing the ductwork in this old house

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<v Speaker 3>would cost.

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<v Speaker 2>As much as a new unit.

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<v Speaker 3>So if I have to put in a new unit,

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<v Speaker 3>you know, I'm thinking, Abou'm going with a split system

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<v Speaker 3>and just own this thing off, and it'd be a

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<v Speaker 3>lot cheaper, a lot easier.

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<v Speaker 2>Uh. I don't know. As down the road, that's cool.

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<v Speaker 1>We already have one caller. Looks like we got Jimmy

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<v Speaker 1>waiting on the line, so definitely want to hear what

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<v Speaker 1>he has to say. I don't know, maybe he's got

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<v Speaker 1>things on his mind from the week's worth of news

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<v Speaker 1>that is, or was, or maybe was because it's getting

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<v Speaker 2>Man.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, Jimmy, he was the earlier, Oh he was, Okay,

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<v Speaker 1>I was earlier.

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<v Speaker 2>I figured he'd be calling right in.

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<v Speaker 1>I barely had time to look at the room because

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<v Speaker 1>I was doing I did the news thing and it

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<v Speaker 1>was fine, you know, I was just doing my quick

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<v Speaker 1>little rundown. I was going to tell a story. I

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<v Speaker 1>going to go straight ahead. But you don't know the

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<v Speaker 1>frustration I just went through trying to let the damn

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<v Speaker 1>there's an application on my desktop now right to run

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<v Speaker 1>the phones and this thing is you know, the change.

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<v Speaker 1>It allowed us to keep doing the phone calls. But

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<v Speaker 1>it's worked fine, of course, and it was an hour

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<v Speaker 1>ahead of time I was set up. I looked at it,

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<v Speaker 1>it was fine, everything was cool, and then it logged

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<v Speaker 1>me out for no reason. It hasn't logged me out

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<v Speaker 1>for like the past month and a half, and it

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<v Speaker 1>logged me out, and I'm like, okay, I try to

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<v Speaker 1>sign back in. And I don't know about you, but

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<v Speaker 1>I've been having trouble with like all of a sudden,

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<v Speaker 1>things don't accept my passwords and I've been using the

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<v Speaker 1>same passwords on some of these things for years. I

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<v Speaker 1>don't know. Is it just me or you know what?

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<v Speaker 1>What do you think.

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<v Speaker 2>I've had something? I've had some issues with some sites.

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<v Speaker 3>Not In fact, I was in an ATM about a

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<v Speaker 3>week and a half ago and it kept telling me I.

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<v Speaker 2>Was putting in the wrong pin.

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<v Speaker 3>So I had to get my phone out, use my

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<v Speaker 3>app to go in, change my pin number to what

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<v Speaker 3>it originally was, and then my card worked.

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<v Speaker 1>Weird. See, I don't know stuff stuff gets. It's a

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<v Speaker 1>weird world because stuff gets hijacked by these you know,

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<v Speaker 1>different hackers now and they turn around and even they

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<v Speaker 1>do little fishing things where they get you to change

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<v Speaker 1>your password on a fake site and now they have

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<v Speaker 1>your password, right Like, they get you to enter your

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<v Speaker 1>old password and your new one, and so they've got

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<v Speaker 1>it covered. They get into your account while you're sitting

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<v Speaker 1>there struggling with it still, and they empty things or

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<v Speaker 1>change things or destroy things. It's crazy. Somebody logged into

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<v Speaker 1>my Pinterest account weirdly this week from South Carolina for

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<v Speaker 1>no reason. Yeah, and I'm like, why are you in

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<v Speaker 1>my Pinterest account? Yeah? Like, what good is that going

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<v Speaker 1>to do? I don't do any business through there. I mean,

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<v Speaker 1>do you even do business on Pinterest? Is that a thing?

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<v Speaker 1>I don't even know?

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<v Speaker 3>You know, I didn't think you could unless you're selling

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<v Speaker 3>prints of something of your own, maybe for something maybe.

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<v Speaker 1>But I put up like the conferences on there, and

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<v Speaker 1>I used to put up stuff from the podcast just

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<v Speaker 1>when I had the YouTube channel, because they sort of

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<v Speaker 1>encouraged you to share everything across platforms and they gave

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<v Speaker 1>you easy buttons. So I mean that's literally why I

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<v Speaker 1>created the Pinterest account, because it was like a simple Hey,

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<v Speaker 1>you can sign up for nothing and it'll be just

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<v Speaker 1>another place where we promote you know, your podcast or whatever. Which,

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<v Speaker 1>by the way, I've got some kind of crazy. Can

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<v Speaker 1>you hear the sirens and stuff in the background.

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<v Speaker 3>No, but I'm on an earphone too, on my phone,

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<v Speaker 3>so kicking up everything.

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<v Speaker 1>Well outside in my neighborhood. Apparently there is I don't know,

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<v Speaker 1>fire rescue, ambulance, cops. There's all kinds of crazy out

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<v Speaker 1>that and enough of the local traumas. Uh. Maybe I'll

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<v Speaker 1>as a convenience store worker that I thought were relevant

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<v Speaker 1>wants to join us here for this tonight. You become

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<v Speaker 1>what is It's the Uncooperative app Day. There we go, Jimmy.

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<v Speaker 1>How's it going? Man? What's what's on your mind this week? Hu?

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<v Speaker 4>Where am I test one two series?

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<v Speaker 2>Are you hearing him?

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<v Speaker 1>I heard part of what he said and then it

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<v Speaker 1>go ahead, Jimmy, yeah, but after I said, can you

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<v Speaker 4>All right?

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<v Speaker 1>All right?

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<v Speaker 4>Well I just got that's good that you have and

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<v Speaker 4>you all get What is all that background noise going on?

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<v Speaker 1>I only hear you and a little feedback from you.

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<v Speaker 1>That's it. So I don't hear background noise. Are you

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<v Speaker 1>hearing the sirens in the neighborhood? Are you hearing my sirens?

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<v Speaker 2>Now?

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<v Speaker 4>It sounds like a television.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh no, no, television here you hear TV.

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<v Speaker 2>B No, I've got the game on, but the sound

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<v Speaker 2>Let's see.

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<v Speaker 4>Here's some interesting JFK tidbits that heard from secular sources,

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<v Speaker 4>which I'm finding to be more reliable than so called

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<v Speaker 1>Mm hmm, goo ahead.

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<v Speaker 4>It's one thing, I heard the old Mary Myers tale.

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<v Speaker 4>We all know the Mary Myers tale, don't we.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 4>One of JFK's means squeezes.

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<v Speaker 1>Right, yeah, supposedly at an affair with her. It's cord

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<v Speaker 1>Meyer's wife. Blah blah. They smoke weed together, maybe drop

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<v Speaker 1>acid together, you know, maybe Cordmeyer. According to what I

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<v Speaker 1>pincher Meyer. Right, yeah, that's the okay.

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<v Speaker 4>What about Yeah, you both putted up a lot of stuff.

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<v Speaker 1>They say.

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<v Speaker 4>It's fascinating. I heard the exact same tale from a

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<v Speaker 4>totally secular crime podcast. Just interesting.

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<v Speaker 5>I like that, Robb.

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<v Speaker 4>These things I find more interesting hearing from what I

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<v Speaker 4>call secular sources. One thing, this is some of the

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<v Speaker 4>any JFK source which I've heard this story from. I

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<v Speaker 4>don't know three researchers. I would suppose o gee now

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<v Speaker 4>then thought it would be of interest to mention the

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<v Speaker 4>Cordmers was of highly being investigated by Angleton because he

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<v Speaker 6>Gee.

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<v Speaker 4>None of the researchers thought to put that in their

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<v Speaker 4>little bookie poos, did they? What else did I find out?

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<v Speaker 4>All the James Angleton was just in the town looking

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<v Speaker 5>Ben Bradley and the woman's Zonne sister called Angleton because

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<v Speaker 5>apparently they were all.

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<v Speaker 4>Sit good and that's how Ingleton had got involved.

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<v Speaker 5>That Bradley's a liar, he's full of craft. So that's

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<v Speaker 5>one another.

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<v Speaker 4>One guy thoughts on this, Well, there's ben't a different story.

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<v Speaker 1>There's been a couple of people that have written about

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<v Speaker 1>this in books that focused on her some years ago,

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<v Speaker 1>and there was a documentary which was was planned. Well,

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<v Speaker 1>let me finish answer and then you go ahead, because

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<v Speaker 1>I don't have a lot to say on this. But

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<v Speaker 1>that that was shot partially about this and sort of disappeared,

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<v Speaker 1>and it was weird because it had good funding and everything.

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<v Speaker 1>And some people claim that it was shut down because

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<v Speaker 1>of the the press is connection to the CIA is

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<v Speaker 1>what it was. And it would be like way too

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<v Speaker 1>obvious that they had, you know, too many inside sources.

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<v Speaker 1>You know, after a while you say, oh gee, look

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<v Speaker 1>at all these inside sources. You got to say, is

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<v Speaker 1>your organization possibly inside of that organization? And that's part

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<v Speaker 1>of the problem there. And the Mary Meyer thing is

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<v Speaker 1>like some people have made it into a major, huge deal.

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<v Speaker 1>I said it was also part of the I Howard

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<v Speaker 1>part of the big motivation. They easily got Corden Meyer

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<v Speaker 1>because he was pissed, you know, about this relationship that

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<v Speaker 1>been in a couple of key places, you know, collecting

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<v Speaker 1>people's notes. Ben Bradley, by the way, and yeah, I

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<v Speaker 1>Angleton having gone after him and all that. Yeah, that

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<v Speaker 1>it the was it the guy who wrote the biography

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<v Speaker 1>on Angleton, like what was it called like the Paranoid

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<v Speaker 1>Guy or something about him being paranoid? Right was he

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<v Speaker 1>wrote a whole thing about it, and it featured a

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<v Speaker 1>picture of like the urn being carried, you know, in

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<v Speaker 1>a funeral procession on the front cover. You know which

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<v Speaker 1>book I'm talking about, Jimmy.

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<v Speaker 4>Also like the Man that the Secrets.

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<v Speaker 1>Something like that. Yeah, yeah, yeah, And they talked about

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<v Speaker 1>it extensively in there, But I don't know, It's just

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<v Speaker 1>one of those It's one of those places I never

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<v Speaker 1>sort of like they do with the you know, Dorothy

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<v Speaker 1>Kilgallon's coming up again right as as something that needs

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<v Speaker 1>and again, you know, because she supposedly had you know,

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<v Speaker 1>that last interview with Jack Ruby and all this, But

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<v Speaker 1>even in the you you ought to visit those zoom

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<v Speaker 1>calls on Thursday nights. Sometimes you know that Jimmy the

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<v Speaker 1>JFK Zoom calls. You ought to just listen to the

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<v Speaker 1>cross talk between certain people that are not necessarily big names,

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<v Speaker 1>but they go in a lot of wild directions. Boy.

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<v Speaker 1>I mean I was going to talk and decided not to,

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<v Speaker 1>uh because they were all on Zubruder, film alteration and

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<v Speaker 1>this is where it's because Mantic.

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<v Speaker 4>Where their talk processes.

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<v Speaker 1>Well part of them.

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<v Speaker 4>Let's move it ahead about sixteen.

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<v Speaker 1>Well that's what I keep saying. But the thing is,

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<v Speaker 1>nobody listens to me. Number one. Number two Mantic has

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<v Speaker 1>now come back out, and that's why I invited him

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<v Speaker 1>on the show. He was on black Op Radio I

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<v Speaker 1>think last night, uh, talking about his new discoveries regarding

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<v Speaker 1>you know, film alterations and picture alterations and uh and

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<v Speaker 1>all this and this is the new thing. And I'm like,

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<v Speaker 1>as in the X raise, well no, he's going after.

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<v Speaker 4>Doctors immudical stuff.

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<v Speaker 1>Well, he did a whole book covering the medical evidence.

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<v Speaker 1>It's a pretty expensive, like very nice looking book actually,

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<v Speaker 1>looks like a textbook the way it's set up and everything. Uh,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, like a like something you would educate people with.

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<v Speaker 1>And his main contention started with the X rays, right,

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<v Speaker 1>and and the autopsy photos. But now he's moved on

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<v Speaker 1>to you know really uh, I guess you know, being

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<v Speaker 1>the the Zabruder film alteration camp guy uh mantic is

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<v Speaker 1>now And I was going to invite him on here,

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<v Speaker 1>even though I disagree with that. Yeah, go ahead.

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<v Speaker 3>I remember his h his stuff in Fetcher's Assassination Science

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<v Speaker 3>with the alterations in the Zabruder film is his new gig, but.

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<v Speaker 1>It's not new. He's been building up to this, and

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<v Speaker 1>you said, that thing with Fetzer was probably what thirty

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<v Speaker 1>He's been involved with people since Doug Horn since I

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<v Speaker 1>mean a lot of I had him on what a

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<v Speaker 1>couple of years ago, I think, right, And apparently he's

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<v Speaker 1>a question, good.

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<v Speaker 4>You had a question for me about the your stuff.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, Ben Bradley, how did he find out about her death?

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<v Speaker 3>Because didn't he make it to her house before anybody

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<v Speaker 3>else did and rummage through it.

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<v Speaker 2>After she was found dead?

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<v Speaker 1>Well bred?

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<v Speaker 4>And Bradley was her brother in law? Uh he was

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<v Speaker 4>a Meyer's sister, right, But I mean how And as

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<v Speaker 3>Brad go ahead, Jimmy, I didn't know touching Ben Bradingleton.

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<v Speaker 2>Okay, So the okay? So the sister called, okay, Well.

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<v Speaker 3>Didn't they The cord Courd.

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<v Speaker 2>Myners was out of town, wasn't he?

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<v Speaker 1>Yes, they bla stood.

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<v Speaker 4>On a black day and then he got off and

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<v Speaker 4>then he did the exact same thing again. So I

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<v Speaker 4>tend to think that he did do it. I'll think

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<v Speaker 4>there's anything beyond that murder. But I just found it

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<v Speaker 4>in testing out different story. So you know, I learned

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<v Speaker 4>these interesting points not from people i'd like to like.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm listening to.

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<v Speaker 5>Conan O'Brien interview Andy Rickner, and I learned something very interesting.

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<v Speaker 4>Andy Rickner's dad was in the OSS in World War

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<v Speaker 4>him to the Monterey Language Institute, which was a one

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<v Speaker 2>One year.

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<v Speaker 4>Chinese and Russian takes a whole year, everything else six months, Right,

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<v Speaker 4>Paul didn't have that time, Oopsy.

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<v Speaker 1>gets really weird when you get into what Oswald was

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<v Speaker 1>good friend, you know, Titibitz, when he would write to him,

425
00:24:03.839 --> 00:24:06.119
<v Speaker 1>you know, he wrote letters back here once him and

426
00:24:06.160 --> 00:24:09.359
<v Speaker 1>Marina came to the US, right, he would write in

427
00:24:09.440 --> 00:24:12.640
<v Speaker 1>Russian to Marina and in English to Lee. You know

428
00:24:12.680 --> 00:24:17.759
<v Speaker 1>what I mean, Because Lee's command of the language was

429
00:24:17.759 --> 00:24:19.839
<v Speaker 1>not great. I know, some people have like made it

430
00:24:19.880 --> 00:24:21.559
<v Speaker 1>in this big legend like he had this, you know,

431
00:24:22.160 --> 00:24:24.519
<v Speaker 1>wonderful command of the language, and I don't think he

432
00:24:24.559 --> 00:24:26.640
<v Speaker 1>was that great about it. It seems to me as

433
00:24:26.640 --> 00:24:30.079
<v Speaker 1>though he had a very rudimentary sort of grip on it,

434
00:24:30.119 --> 00:24:33.599
<v Speaker 1>even after living there. That's what it appears to me,

435
00:24:34.400 --> 00:24:36.559
<v Speaker 1>you know. But again I wasn't in his presence, so

436
00:24:36.559 --> 00:24:40.480
<v Speaker 1>it's difficult to know. But Marina kind of supported that

437
00:24:40.559 --> 00:24:42.720
<v Speaker 1>idea when at last I spoke to her many years

438
00:24:42.720 --> 00:24:46.039
<v Speaker 1>ago that his Russian wasn't that great. You know, if

439
00:24:46.079 --> 00:24:48.480
<v Speaker 1>you were patient with him, you could understand what he

440
00:24:48.519 --> 00:24:52.400
<v Speaker 1>was trying to get at. But it wasn't you know, precise,

441
00:24:52.519 --> 00:24:58.599
<v Speaker 1>let's say his Russian. But anyway, and that's the whole

442
00:24:58.599 --> 00:25:01.119
<v Speaker 1>thing too, with the whole you know, translation and what's

443
00:25:01.160 --> 00:25:04.799
<v Speaker 1>going on, and people are going after more. The community

444
00:25:04.880 --> 00:25:07.079
<v Speaker 1>is getting weirder and weirder by the by the minute.

445
00:25:07.160 --> 00:25:12.160
<v Speaker 1>I got to tell you too, I'm gonna hold my

446
00:25:12.240 --> 00:25:15.119
<v Speaker 1>comments until after the conference really about this whole thing,

447
00:25:15.160 --> 00:25:18.880
<v Speaker 1>because man, I got I got some things to say,

448
00:25:18.960 --> 00:25:21.440
<v Speaker 1>and I'm really just trying to be diplomatic at this point,

449
00:25:21.519 --> 00:25:24.920
<v Speaker 1>but it ain't easy. By the way, Jimmy, did you

450
00:25:24.920 --> 00:25:27.480
<v Speaker 1>happen to catch that what do they call it? The

451
00:25:27.559 --> 00:25:30.359
<v Speaker 1>Seiphered History podcast? That I did?

452
00:25:34.839 --> 00:25:34.880
<v Speaker 6>No?

453
00:25:35.079 --> 00:25:35.559
<v Speaker 4>Na yet?

454
00:25:36.319 --> 00:25:38.880
<v Speaker 1>Okay, they finally got it up on you. They finally

455
00:25:38.920 --> 00:25:40.839
<v Speaker 1>got it up on YouTube. But I spent five and

456
00:25:40.839 --> 00:25:44.759
<v Speaker 1>a half hours with these guys because they lost the

457
00:25:44.759 --> 00:25:47.519
<v Speaker 1>first three hours of the of a conversation. I kind

458
00:25:47.519 --> 00:25:51.359
<v Speaker 1>of had to redo it and uh, and finally they

459
00:25:51.359 --> 00:25:53.880
<v Speaker 1>got it out there. But it's kind of kind of interesting.

460
00:25:55.039 --> 00:25:58.400
<v Speaker 1>I'm probably gonna put out the audio on my podcast feed,

461
00:25:58.400 --> 00:25:59.759
<v Speaker 1>but I wanted to give them a chance to get

462
00:25:59.759 --> 00:26:03.279
<v Speaker 1>it out there first, but it's up on YouTube, so

463
00:26:03.440 --> 00:26:04.960
<v Speaker 1>may maybe I'll figure out a way to drop a

464
00:26:05.000 --> 00:26:08.960
<v Speaker 1>link in the room. But they started, you know, really

465
00:26:09.000 --> 00:26:13.200
<v Speaker 1>to grill me on the films. Was that.

466
00:26:15.240 --> 00:26:17.240
<v Speaker 7>The films in the Plaza?

467
00:26:17.640 --> 00:26:22.559
<v Speaker 1>Yeah?

468
00:26:23.279 --> 00:26:24.279
<v Speaker 4>Really, yeah.

469
00:26:24.319 --> 00:26:28.359
<v Speaker 1>I'm not sure which ones made it to I'm not

470
00:26:28.400 --> 00:26:30.960
<v Speaker 1>sure which ones made it to the podcast, but we

471
00:26:31.039 --> 00:26:36.119
<v Speaker 1>discussed several films from the Plaza. You know, obviously we

472
00:26:36.160 --> 00:26:38.119
<v Speaker 1>had to touch on Suppruiter. I did a long thing

473
00:26:38.119 --> 00:26:40.160
<v Speaker 1>on Nicks. I don't think he's in there, which sucks

474
00:26:40.240 --> 00:26:42.400
<v Speaker 1>because I'm very sure the Gale would have been happy

475
00:26:42.440 --> 00:26:46.720
<v Speaker 1>with it. But they were asking for explanations and you know,

476
00:26:46.839 --> 00:26:52.640
<v Speaker 1>in certain really badly badly assembled conspiracy theories people have

477
00:26:52.759 --> 00:26:54.599
<v Speaker 1>made out of some of the films, where I'm like, yeah,

478
00:26:54.640 --> 00:26:57.559
<v Speaker 1>that's that's no good. You know, what people are talking

479
00:26:57.559 --> 00:26:59.480
<v Speaker 1>about here and this, and that they're looking at a

480
00:26:59.480 --> 00:27:02.519
<v Speaker 1>bad cop I mean, come on, you know, stuff like that,

481
00:27:02.880 --> 00:27:05.839
<v Speaker 1>And and I gave them the context, you know, for

482
00:27:05.920 --> 00:27:08.039
<v Speaker 1>what we actually have in our possession and what we're

483
00:27:08.079 --> 00:27:11.440
<v Speaker 1>looking at. Literally, you know, here's the best copy of it.

484
00:27:11.480 --> 00:27:15.240
<v Speaker 1>But these are copies. They're not the original, you know,

485
00:27:15.279 --> 00:27:17.240
<v Speaker 1>and stuff like that, and even asked me about the

486
00:27:17.279 --> 00:27:21.880
<v Speaker 1>Patsy Pascal film, which is a rare question from these guys.

487
00:27:21.880 --> 00:27:24.440
<v Speaker 1>Nobody ever asked about that film. But it is one

488
00:27:24.480 --> 00:27:26.319
<v Speaker 1>of the ones that wasn't, you know, part of the

489
00:27:26.359 --> 00:27:29.559
<v Speaker 1>Groden collection for the longest time. It wasn't part of

490
00:27:29.559 --> 00:27:32.039
<v Speaker 1>it at all, So a lot of people never saw

491
00:27:32.039 --> 00:27:34.519
<v Speaker 1>it because you know, you got to give credit where

492
00:27:34.519 --> 00:27:38.279
<v Speaker 1>credits due. Grodin his release of that bulk of films

493
00:27:38.960 --> 00:27:42.160
<v Speaker 1>has now been like the place where everybody lifts them

494
00:27:42.519 --> 00:27:45.440
<v Speaker 1>and uses them online and everything. They pretty much you've

495
00:27:45.480 --> 00:27:47.759
<v Speaker 1>got to trace it back to him as to where

496
00:27:47.799 --> 00:27:50.519
<v Speaker 1>they got these films that they're studying most of them,

497
00:27:51.519 --> 00:27:54.880
<v Speaker 1>you know, even Sipruder. If you're looking at a stabilized

498
00:27:54.920 --> 00:27:58.960
<v Speaker 1>the Pruder film, you know, Dimes to Donuts. I'm telling

499
00:27:58.960 --> 00:28:02.279
<v Speaker 1>you right now, it's probably something that originated with Groden,

500
00:28:03.640 --> 00:28:05.519
<v Speaker 1>you know. So you got to consider that when you're

501
00:28:05.559 --> 00:28:08.160
<v Speaker 1>looking at how many generations away from the original copy

502
00:28:08.200 --> 00:28:12.559
<v Speaker 1>and everything else. It's just remarkable the way that people

503
00:28:12.599 --> 00:28:15.720
<v Speaker 1>misunderstand and take and read these things like they find

504
00:28:15.759 --> 00:28:17.400
<v Speaker 1>what they want to find in the films, you know,

505
00:28:18.759 --> 00:28:20.799
<v Speaker 1>so spent a couple a couple of hours. I think

506
00:28:20.839 --> 00:28:22.759
<v Speaker 1>that podcast might ended up being an hour and a

507
00:28:22.799 --> 00:28:25.640
<v Speaker 1>half or two hours, but there was a good five

508
00:28:25.680 --> 00:28:27.759
<v Speaker 1>and a half six hours worth of stuff that should

509
00:28:27.759 --> 00:28:31.359
<v Speaker 1>have been recorded when we're going over to films.

510
00:28:31.599 --> 00:28:36.680
<v Speaker 4>So, now, what about Groden Groen? Has Groden showed us

511
00:28:37.039 --> 00:28:37.720
<v Speaker 4>up lately?

512
00:28:38.240 --> 00:28:39.599
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, of course yes, because.

513
00:28:39.400 --> 00:28:41.720
<v Speaker 4>He usually pops up about.

514
00:28:43.319 --> 00:28:44.240
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, of course.

515
00:28:44.240 --> 00:28:46.920
<v Speaker 4>Well what's what that guy suppose?

516
00:28:47.000 --> 00:28:47.640
<v Speaker 6>I sick?

517
00:28:48.359 --> 00:28:54.400
<v Speaker 7>Yeah, I want to know what I mean market film

518
00:28:54.880 --> 00:28:58.920
<v Speaker 7>And it's a stiff for because I'm guessing that he

519
00:28:59.079 --> 00:29:05.440
<v Speaker 7>stole the cow from Wiesburg, which Wiseberg got to find

520
00:29:05.480 --> 00:29:05.920
<v Speaker 7>the damn?

521
00:29:07.839 --> 00:29:11.200
<v Speaker 1>Okay? So the which Martin film? Are we talking about? Jack?

522
00:29:11.599 --> 00:29:13.519
<v Speaker 1>Or the other one?

523
00:29:15.920 --> 00:29:17.359
<v Speaker 4>Shoddy Martin the Minace?

524
00:29:18.000 --> 00:29:25.720
<v Speaker 1>So okay, okay, So you think that Weissberg probably had

525
00:29:25.759 --> 00:29:31.119
<v Speaker 1>the original or a copy from the original.

526
00:29:31.720 --> 00:29:36.720
<v Speaker 4>We got a copy of them from the FBI. Correct.

527
00:29:37.200 --> 00:29:43.359
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, see, now the FBI's the FBI's possessions of these films.

528
00:29:43.640 --> 00:29:47.240
<v Speaker 1>Is another weird point of contention, because that that was

529
00:29:47.240 --> 00:29:49.680
<v Speaker 1>one of the things they were arguing about last night,

530
00:29:50.359 --> 00:29:53.200
<v Speaker 1>and it's like, oh, we don't know the providence.

531
00:29:52.680 --> 00:30:05.799
<v Speaker 4>Of this weird period Chef sixty four sixty eight evidence

532
00:30:06.319 --> 00:30:08.960
<v Speaker 4>and then once scars just started as crap, that's when

533
00:30:08.960 --> 00:30:12.440
<v Speaker 4>they clamped down, just saying.

534
00:30:12.720 --> 00:30:16.319
<v Speaker 1>Well, yeah, but all that stuff from sixty four on

535
00:30:16.680 --> 00:30:21.039
<v Speaker 1>is almost irrelevant because the original handling of it is

536
00:30:21.079 --> 00:30:26.720
<v Speaker 1>where the problems begin. So that weekend on is where

537
00:30:26.759 --> 00:30:28.839
<v Speaker 1>you got to look for where these things were first

538
00:30:29.079 --> 00:30:33.000
<v Speaker 1>deposited and sent and sold to et cetera and collected,

539
00:30:33.559 --> 00:30:37.839
<v Speaker 1>because everything else pretty much becomes, you know, a follow

540
00:30:37.920 --> 00:30:42.680
<v Speaker 1>to the copy trail after that, even Garrison's copies. I

541
00:30:42.839 --> 00:30:45.599
<v Speaker 1>had one of the ones that was made from Garrison's copies.

542
00:30:45.640 --> 00:30:48.880
<v Speaker 1>I had literally had a physical possessional one, and they

543
00:30:48.920 --> 00:30:54.880
<v Speaker 1>were rough, really bad copies. You know, there was practically

544
00:30:54.920 --> 00:30:59.319
<v Speaker 1>no color in them, so all the color was gone,

545
00:30:59.400 --> 00:31:02.920
<v Speaker 1>even though it was a color print, you know, which

546
00:31:02.960 --> 00:31:06.960
<v Speaker 1>tells you that this is, you know, not not a

547
00:31:06.960 --> 00:31:09.200
<v Speaker 1>solid job. They didn't they didn't take the time to

548
00:31:09.799 --> 00:31:12.960
<v Speaker 1>you know, reproduce this thing well. And I don't know

549
00:31:13.000 --> 00:31:15.160
<v Speaker 1>where it was done, but there was a mass of

550
00:31:15.160 --> 00:31:17.200
<v Speaker 1>them done, and then they were distributed on the college

551
00:31:17.240 --> 00:31:21.119
<v Speaker 1>campuses after that, and I don't know if copies were

552
00:31:21.160 --> 00:31:23.480
<v Speaker 1>made of those copies, but by the time I got mine,

553
00:31:24.519 --> 00:31:27.160
<v Speaker 1>I mean literally, it was like almost like no color

554
00:31:27.279 --> 00:31:30.839
<v Speaker 1>was being projected anymore, Like you couldn't You could see

555
00:31:30.839 --> 00:31:33.000
<v Speaker 1>it on the film, but it was vague, you know,

556
00:31:34.240 --> 00:31:38.599
<v Speaker 1>the color and everything. So it was And it's funny

557
00:31:38.599 --> 00:31:40.279
<v Speaker 1>if you take a look at that and you overlay

558
00:31:40.279 --> 00:31:44.319
<v Speaker 1>it on you know, good color like slide from say

559
00:31:44.359 --> 00:31:46.799
<v Speaker 1>the McMillan version of it, which was put on the

560
00:31:46.839 --> 00:31:49.440
<v Speaker 1>CD rom Did you ever see that, by the way, Jimmy,

561
00:31:49.519 --> 00:31:56.200
<v Speaker 1>the McMillan version of the film.

562
00:31:56.519 --> 00:31:58.640
<v Speaker 4>No, But the minute you say that name, all I

563
00:31:58.680 --> 00:32:01.000
<v Speaker 4>could think of is that crazy woman McMillan.

564
00:32:01.799 --> 00:32:05.039
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, but well, I don't know if they're related. But

565
00:32:05.200 --> 00:32:08.519
<v Speaker 1>there used to be a media or a publishing company,

566
00:32:08.559 --> 00:32:13.319
<v Speaker 1>let's say McMillan who ended up really dominating, like say

567
00:32:13.359 --> 00:32:18.079
<v Speaker 1>the school age textbook industry in the country. You've heard

568
00:32:18.119 --> 00:32:22.640
<v Speaker 1>of them, right, the McMillan publishers.

569
00:32:25.359 --> 00:32:29.799
<v Speaker 4>Yes, well so mclovin.

570
00:32:30.039 --> 00:32:36.240
<v Speaker 1>No, that can't be right. No, McMillan, it's McMillan. Yeah,

571
00:32:36.359 --> 00:32:40.440
<v Speaker 1>it's McMillan. And they produced probably the majority of us

572
00:32:40.720 --> 00:32:44.319
<v Speaker 1>that that went to public schools, say in the you know,

573
00:32:44.319 --> 00:32:47.920
<v Speaker 1>in the sixties, seventies, eighties. It's a guarantee that the

574
00:32:47.960 --> 00:32:53.440
<v Speaker 1>majority of our textbooks were likely, you know, McMillan books

575
00:32:54.319 --> 00:32:57.000
<v Speaker 1>the majority of what we had to handle almost anywhere

576
00:32:57.279 --> 00:33:02.039
<v Speaker 1>in the sixties, seventies, eighties. So, but they were they

577
00:33:02.039 --> 00:33:04.799
<v Speaker 1>were a publisher, and they did a CD ROM on

578
00:33:04.920 --> 00:33:07.960
<v Speaker 1>the Zubruter film. Have you ever been aware of that

579
00:33:07.960 --> 00:33:10.519
<v Speaker 1>that there was like a CD ROMs study of the

580
00:33:10.519 --> 00:33:14.359
<v Speaker 1>Subruter film for computers like in the nineties.

581
00:33:20.359 --> 00:33:24.160
<v Speaker 4>Well, I'm sure it happened. I mean, I never fooled

582
00:33:24.200 --> 00:33:25.039
<v Speaker 4>with those things.

583
00:33:25.559 --> 00:33:27.519
<v Speaker 1>Okay, Well, it's just that it gave you a good,

584
00:33:28.319 --> 00:33:31.599
<v Speaker 1>a good something to study, you know, good digital reproduction

585
00:33:31.799 --> 00:33:35.039
<v Speaker 1>of the film, especially for its time period. It was

586
00:33:35.359 --> 00:33:36.880
<v Speaker 1>it was, you know, the best you were going to

587
00:33:36.920 --> 00:33:40.559
<v Speaker 1>get for sure to be able to see the film right,

588
00:33:41.400 --> 00:33:43.599
<v Speaker 1>and you had to be in the TV industry to

589
00:33:43.599 --> 00:33:47.440
<v Speaker 1>do better. They made a few mistakes, but if you

590
00:33:47.480 --> 00:33:49.680
<v Speaker 1>look at the McMillan version and you're able to take

591
00:33:49.759 --> 00:33:51.960
<v Speaker 1>like say one of those a slide even from that

592
00:33:52.480 --> 00:33:56.680
<v Speaker 1>one of the crappy Garrison versions, you know, you can

593
00:33:56.720 --> 00:33:59.480
<v Speaker 1>overlay it and you can see that it definitely hasn't

594
00:33:59.519 --> 00:34:02.359
<v Speaker 1>been altered in between then and then. So what I'm

595
00:34:02.400 --> 00:34:06.920
<v Speaker 1>saying is that the film that you know was gotten

596
00:34:07.000 --> 00:34:11.800
<v Speaker 1>from time Life and then bootlegged is the same film

597
00:34:12.079 --> 00:34:14.920
<v Speaker 1>that they produced. You know, maybe they did it at

598
00:34:14.920 --> 00:34:18.280
<v Speaker 1>the end of the eighties, but they definitely distributed in

599
00:34:18.360 --> 00:34:20.960
<v Speaker 1>the nineties. The McMillan maybe you could look that up

600
00:34:21.000 --> 00:34:24.039
<v Speaker 1>real quick, b PTE. The DVD ROM or CD ROM

601
00:34:24.800 --> 00:34:28.679
<v Speaker 1>of the Zapruder film. It was kind of a unique

602
00:34:28.719 --> 00:34:30.559
<v Speaker 1>thing and I'm pretty sure it was. Yeah, it was

603
00:34:30.639 --> 00:34:35.159
<v Speaker 1>released by McMillan. I know that, and somewhere in my

604
00:34:35.440 --> 00:34:40.360
<v Speaker 1>archive of crap. I definitely have one still, you know,

605
00:34:40.559 --> 00:34:44.400
<v Speaker 1>because it is a solid study aid still even I

606
00:34:44.440 --> 00:34:46.239
<v Speaker 1>would say, if you can get a computer that will

607
00:34:46.320 --> 00:34:46.719
<v Speaker 1>run as.

608
00:34:50.280 --> 00:34:52.760
<v Speaker 4>That would be the first that's the first digital version.

609
00:34:52.840 --> 00:34:56.880
<v Speaker 1>Then well there's two. There's two things that I would

610
00:34:56.880 --> 00:34:59.840
<v Speaker 1>say contend for the first digital version. One is the

611
00:35:00.119 --> 00:35:05.840
<v Speaker 1>MPI home video, which they did a VHS release of,

612
00:35:06.280 --> 00:35:07.880
<v Speaker 1>like the Zubruder film.

613
00:35:08.079 --> 00:35:11.159
<v Speaker 3>Is this the one called Is this the one called

614
00:35:11.159 --> 00:35:12.599
<v Speaker 3>the Image of an Assassination?

615
00:35:13.239 --> 00:35:15.800
<v Speaker 1>No, that's that's the one that I'm talking about now.

616
00:35:17.519 --> 00:35:20.480
<v Speaker 1>The CD ROM is different. Yeah, The Image of an

617
00:35:20.480 --> 00:35:25.199
<v Speaker 1>Assassination is a basically just a home video showing you

618
00:35:25.440 --> 00:35:29.079
<v Speaker 1>the Zubruder film and slow motion blown up everything, and

619
00:35:29.280 --> 00:35:33.480
<v Speaker 1>they created uh, you know. They they created a frame

620
00:35:33.559 --> 00:35:37.519
<v Speaker 1>by frame scan in order to create image of an assassination,

621
00:35:38.960 --> 00:35:44.159
<v Speaker 1>the same way that McMillan did. Now the mp I want, Yeah,

622
00:35:44.199 --> 00:35:44.639
<v Speaker 1>that's that.

623
00:35:44.920 --> 00:35:48.320
<v Speaker 4>That's the one that I read from HOFDW foot Hollywood

624
00:35:48.440 --> 00:35:49.199
<v Speaker 4>video cap.

625
00:35:49.719 --> 00:35:52.920
<v Speaker 1>Yeah. Probably, yeah, And if you were real lucky, you

626
00:35:53.000 --> 00:35:54.719
<v Speaker 1>might have found it on DVD because there was a

627
00:35:54.800 --> 00:35:58.880
<v Speaker 1>short run on DVD as well. Today there are many

628
00:35:58.920 --> 00:36:01.239
<v Speaker 1>bootlegs of that dv day like they made for them,

629
00:36:01.280 --> 00:36:03.800
<v Speaker 1>but they're made from the VHS, which is funny. So

630
00:36:04.719 --> 00:36:06.960
<v Speaker 1>if you were to get something even better than you know,

631
00:36:07.119 --> 00:36:11.960
<v Speaker 1>or even like a digital reproduction, they digitally reproduced it

632
00:36:12.000 --> 00:36:14.039
<v Speaker 1>but then ended up putting it on a VHS tape,

633
00:36:14.119 --> 00:36:18.920
<v Speaker 1>so you know VHS. You know what the resolution was

634
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<v Speaker 1>like on that.

635
00:36:19.800 --> 00:36:22.360
<v Speaker 7>Well, this was before BD.

636
00:36:22.840 --> 00:36:29.000
<v Speaker 4>This was the glory days. Yes, when VHS was keen man.

637
00:36:29.719 --> 00:36:32.880
<v Speaker 4>The left coast used to be cool back then. Dude,

638
00:36:33.280 --> 00:36:36.480
<v Speaker 4>Oh yeah, the whole bottom floor was a Hollywood visit.

639
00:36:39.639 --> 00:36:42.559
<v Speaker 4>Well no, maybe a million titles and then the whole

640
00:36:42.639 --> 00:36:48.320
<v Speaker 4>second storically I had Shop.

641
00:36:48.519 --> 00:36:52.719
<v Speaker 1>La Ahead shop. Uh all right, well look I'm gonna

642
00:36:52.760 --> 00:36:54.719
<v Speaker 1>put you on hold, Jimmy because we got other callers,

643
00:36:54.800 --> 00:36:58.320
<v Speaker 1>but stick around and we'll continue the conversation. But the

644
00:36:59.199 --> 00:37:01.239
<v Speaker 1>the film thing is he's getting weird. I got to

645
00:37:01.280 --> 00:37:03.559
<v Speaker 1>tell you in Mantic is going to present. I don't

646
00:37:03.559 --> 00:37:06.280
<v Speaker 1>want to promote this, but Mantic, I think, is going

647
00:37:06.360 --> 00:37:10.079
<v Speaker 1>to present at the Baker Conference. So you know, make

648
00:37:10.119 --> 00:37:12.119
<v Speaker 1>of it what you will. And he did an appearance

649
00:37:12.159 --> 00:37:14.400
<v Speaker 1>on Black Op Radio last night, and I'm not here

650
00:37:14.480 --> 00:37:17.800
<v Speaker 1>to do his pr but he might be on this

651
00:37:17.880 --> 00:37:20.159
<v Speaker 1>show next week. We'll see if I can arrange that.

652
00:37:20.320 --> 00:37:24.119
<v Speaker 1>He wanted to come on this week, but like, he

653
00:37:24.199 --> 00:37:25.760
<v Speaker 1>wanted to do it at an odd time of day,

654
00:37:25.800 --> 00:37:30.280
<v Speaker 1>and I was not ready for him immediately, so because

655
00:37:30.280 --> 00:37:32.079
<v Speaker 1>we would have done it in the morning, and anybody

656
00:37:32.079 --> 00:37:34.360
<v Speaker 1>who knows me knows morning is not my time of day.

657
00:37:35.719 --> 00:37:37.880
<v Speaker 1>And it just I was like, yeah, maybe we're better

658
00:37:37.920 --> 00:37:40.039
<v Speaker 1>off doing it next week. And he's like, you know what, yes,

659
00:37:40.199 --> 00:37:41.760
<v Speaker 1>because I'm not as busy and I want to come

660
00:37:41.800 --> 00:37:44.760
<v Speaker 1>on next week. So we'll see if we can get

661
00:37:44.840 --> 00:37:46.280
<v Speaker 1>mantic on to explain.

662
00:37:49.880 --> 00:37:53.880
<v Speaker 4>Sorry, Charles with seven am be okay, yeah.

663
00:37:53.760 --> 00:37:54.480
<v Speaker 1>That's a little rough.

664
00:37:54.639 --> 00:37:58.480
<v Speaker 4>Farls with seven am ok be a little a.

665
00:37:58.480 --> 00:38:02.679
<v Speaker 1>Little rough, a little rough for me anyway, hold on,

666
00:38:03.960 --> 00:38:06.000
<v Speaker 1>so let's put Jimmy on hold, and uh, I have

667
00:38:06.079 --> 00:38:08.239
<v Speaker 1>another call here. I'm not sure who we got, but

668
00:38:08.440 --> 00:38:13.639
<v Speaker 1>let's see and uh, there we go. You're alive and

669
00:38:13.960 --> 00:38:18.320
<v Speaker 1>uh tracked some Ken. Hey Ken, how's it going, man?

670
00:38:20.880 --> 00:38:25.280
<v Speaker 8>I'm the one little girl I was listening in and

671
00:38:26.280 --> 00:38:29.280
<v Speaker 8>I actually have a few things to stay with many.

672
00:38:29.719 --> 00:38:34.320
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, sure, Ken, Let's first identify who you are, okay,

673
00:38:35.039 --> 00:38:39.239
<v Speaker 1>Uh sure, because I've been back and forth quite a

674
00:38:39.280 --> 00:38:43.320
<v Speaker 1>bit with Ken recently, and also we're working together him,

675
00:38:43.599 --> 00:38:47.320
<v Speaker 1>his wife, myself. Uh you know, Ken, I'm always afraid

676
00:38:47.360 --> 00:38:52.559
<v Speaker 1>to pronounce your last name. Uh so, you know, but

677
00:38:52.679 --> 00:38:56.639
<v Speaker 1>it's it looks like Zenda Car. It looks like Zenda Car. Okay,

678
00:38:57.280 --> 00:38:59.000
<v Speaker 1>but I don't know if I did that right, I

679
00:38:59.079 --> 00:39:05.119
<v Speaker 1>probably butchered it. Yeah that's not close fair enough, thank you.

680
00:39:05.239 --> 00:39:08.159
<v Speaker 1>I'm sensitive to that because, believe me, o'celly gets put

681
00:39:08.239 --> 00:39:12.000
<v Speaker 1>your eighty different ways. But here's one of the guys that, Yeah,

682
00:39:12.039 --> 00:39:15.320
<v Speaker 1>I'm sure, we're literally working with on the Lancer conference

683
00:39:15.800 --> 00:39:18.119
<v Speaker 1>and we're actually due for a conference call.

684
00:39:18.239 --> 00:39:18.400
<v Speaker 6>Ken.

685
00:39:19.000 --> 00:39:20.880
<v Speaker 1>Uh so, I didn't know you were calling in tonight,

686
00:39:21.000 --> 00:39:24.599
<v Speaker 1>but anyway, sure, say what you like. I was talking

687
00:39:24.639 --> 00:39:28.840
<v Speaker 1>about the films and Mantic just now, but yes, I

688
00:39:29.039 --> 00:39:34.000
<v Speaker 1>was on this. Oh okay, so I'll just shut up then,

689
00:39:34.079 --> 00:39:36.519
<v Speaker 1>unless be Pete, you got something you want to talk

690
00:39:36.599 --> 00:39:38.519
<v Speaker 1>to Ken about real quick or ask him or anything

691
00:39:38.519 --> 00:39:40.559
<v Speaker 1>before we let him get into it.

692
00:39:41.360 --> 00:39:45.320
<v Speaker 3>No, I'm still trying to find your CD ROM version

693
00:39:45.400 --> 00:39:47.920
<v Speaker 3>of the suppruve or film and it having a weak

694
00:39:48.039 --> 00:39:48.920
<v Speaker 3>through a bunch of crap.

695
00:39:49.000 --> 00:39:52.840
<v Speaker 1>But I'm sorry, Well, it's not something that there's a

696
00:39:52.920 --> 00:39:55.079
<v Speaker 1>lot of them out there anymore. It's probably a collector's

697
00:39:55.119 --> 00:39:59.400
<v Speaker 1>item at this point, Ken, the you know the McMillan. Yeah,

698
00:39:59.440 --> 00:40:02.840
<v Speaker 1>I'm not. Yeah, I think I have one as well.

699
00:40:03.440 --> 00:40:05.719
<v Speaker 1>That is one of the old tools that I might

700
00:40:05.760 --> 00:40:09.840
<v Speaker 1>still actually have. I'm looking to maybe collect a few

701
00:40:09.920 --> 00:40:12.360
<v Speaker 1>new ones. But I'm gonna have no cash at the conference,

702
00:40:12.400 --> 00:40:15.119
<v Speaker 1>I was saying to people earlier, so you might want

703
00:40:15.159 --> 00:40:17.800
<v Speaker 1>to make contributions guys to help me. You know, eat,

704
00:40:18.239 --> 00:40:22.440
<v Speaker 1>have a razor, buy cigarettes throughout the weekend if you can. Coffee.

705
00:40:22.599 --> 00:40:25.960
<v Speaker 1>Coffee is something I'm gonna need, just saying, because I

706
00:40:26.000 --> 00:40:29.480
<v Speaker 1>plan to be working all weekend on the Lancer conference,

707
00:40:29.840 --> 00:40:32.079
<v Speaker 1>which again is the twenty first to the twenty third

708
00:40:32.639 --> 00:40:35.039
<v Speaker 1>next month and less than a month from now, I

709
00:40:35.159 --> 00:40:38.039
<v Speaker 1>expect to be on my way home. So you know,

710
00:40:38.199 --> 00:40:40.960
<v Speaker 1>we're ticking right on up to it, and I'm a

711
00:40:40.960 --> 00:40:43.000
<v Speaker 1>little nervous. Ken, I gotta be honest with you, because

712
00:40:43.400 --> 00:40:47.400
<v Speaker 1>I got no funds. I'm kind of going there like

713
00:40:47.559 --> 00:40:49.960
<v Speaker 1>on a shoe string, and I'm taking a ride. And

714
00:40:50.079 --> 00:40:52.800
<v Speaker 1>full disclosure, Ken is supposed to be giving me a

715
00:40:52.880 --> 00:40:55.920
<v Speaker 1>ride there. I hope that plan is still in place

716
00:40:56.000 --> 00:41:00.480
<v Speaker 1>because I don't have an alternative to get in there. Okay,

717
00:41:01.119 --> 00:41:02.840
<v Speaker 1>So Ken and I are going on a road trip

718
00:41:03.119 --> 00:41:08.360
<v Speaker 1>to Lancer, probably what on the twentieth or something, a

719
00:41:08.480 --> 00:41:10.679
<v Speaker 1>day or two before the conference, because we'll have to

720
00:41:10.760 --> 00:41:16.880
<v Speaker 1>start get there twelve hours, right, Yeah, it's that area, right, Yeah,

721
00:41:17.559 --> 00:41:21.800
<v Speaker 1>So latest will leave probably is like Thursday morning or something.

722
00:41:22.960 --> 00:41:25.800
<v Speaker 1>If we're gonna leave early, you know, I mean, if

723
00:41:25.800 --> 00:41:28.880
<v Speaker 1>we're gonna leave early on Thursday with that, yeah, right,

724
00:41:28.960 --> 00:41:31.920
<v Speaker 1>that would be the latest time we'd leave is Thursday morning.

725
00:41:32.000 --> 00:41:35.079
<v Speaker 1>So we'd probably leave on the twentieth that latest, and

726
00:41:35.800 --> 00:41:37.760
<v Speaker 1>then yeah, on the twenty fourth here, I expect to

727
00:41:37.800 --> 00:41:41.719
<v Speaker 1>be either home or on the way back, so you know,

728
00:41:42.519 --> 00:41:44.960
<v Speaker 1>and you're you're also bringing me home, right, I didn't

729
00:41:44.960 --> 00:41:52.000
<v Speaker 1>even ask yes, Okay, yes, thank god? Because the blind

730
00:41:52.079 --> 00:41:53.920
<v Speaker 1>guy can't rent a car and get here no matter

731
00:41:54.000 --> 00:41:55.800
<v Speaker 1>how much money I have, even if I had money,

732
00:41:55.920 --> 00:41:58.519
<v Speaker 1>So I'm kind of depending on you Ken, you know,

733
00:41:58.639 --> 00:42:04.000
<v Speaker 1>don't strand me. Okay, anyways, all jokes aside. Uh, yeah,

734
00:42:04.159 --> 00:42:07.320
<v Speaker 1>Mantic is definitely making waves and being mentioned in a

735
00:42:07.400 --> 00:42:09.880
<v Speaker 1>lot of places. And like I said, uh, you know,

736
00:42:10.159 --> 00:42:14.639
<v Speaker 1>has continued to publish on the Sabbruder film now And

737
00:42:15.880 --> 00:42:18.119
<v Speaker 1>I heard a lot of conversation about it last night,

738
00:42:18.199 --> 00:42:20.000
<v Speaker 1>and I was kind of like, oh, man, are we

739
00:42:20.119 --> 00:42:23.719
<v Speaker 1>still doing this? But anyway, go ahead and say what

740
00:42:23.760 --> 00:42:25.159
<v Speaker 1>you got to say about it or want to say

741
00:42:25.199 --> 00:42:30.480
<v Speaker 1>about anything. Go ahead, Okay, Well, so.

742
00:42:33.159 --> 00:42:39.840
<v Speaker 8>Is making small waves in a kitty hoole of neronic ideas,

743
00:42:42.360 --> 00:42:43.719
<v Speaker 8>and and they're there.

744
00:42:43.840 --> 00:42:44.639
<v Speaker 1>Uh and.

745
00:42:46.119 --> 00:42:51.880
<v Speaker 8>Yeah, I would probably also throw in, uh, that's as well.

746
00:42:53.000 --> 00:42:54.079
<v Speaker 6>People who.

747
00:42:56.039 --> 00:43:02.840
<v Speaker 9>Are trying to state that these Prudis film was altered, Okay,

748
00:43:04.079 --> 00:43:06.400
<v Speaker 9>it literally couldnot be done.

749
00:43:06.840 --> 00:43:12.599
<v Speaker 6>During that optical printers could not capture the images.

750
00:43:12.280 --> 00:43:16.719
<v Speaker 10>Between these brockels, And even if they could, you would

751
00:43:16.760 --> 00:43:20.840
<v Speaker 10>have to basically reform that be ask doact ratio and

752
00:43:20.960 --> 00:43:23.480
<v Speaker 10>then put it onto a film, and you would have

753
00:43:23.559 --> 00:43:26.519
<v Speaker 10>to alter the entire thing prior.

754
00:43:26.719 --> 00:43:27.480
<v Speaker 1>To the.

755
00:43:29.480 --> 00:43:36.239
<v Speaker 9>The inpertinent issue by being where they printed very important frames.

756
00:43:37.039 --> 00:43:39.400
<v Speaker 6>So his pause right there, You're like, what are they

757
00:43:39.480 --> 00:43:40.119
<v Speaker 6>trying to say?

758
00:43:40.320 --> 00:43:43.360
<v Speaker 1>Can is altered? Can pause right there, because I guarantee

759
00:43:43.599 --> 00:43:46.800
<v Speaker 1>a lot of people are already lost. Right you're talking

760
00:43:46.840 --> 00:43:50.159
<v Speaker 1>about optical printers and all this other stuff. Let's bring

761
00:43:50.239 --> 00:43:54.559
<v Speaker 1>it down to the very most simple elements, okay, which look,

762
00:43:54.800 --> 00:43:57.000
<v Speaker 1>this is this is what I think I'm good at.

763
00:43:57.119 --> 00:44:00.320
<v Speaker 1>Maybe I'm not. You know, your your judgment, even to

764
00:44:00.400 --> 00:44:03.280
<v Speaker 1>all of you. But the thing is this you have

765
00:44:03.480 --> 00:44:06.679
<v Speaker 1>to you are well. I appreciate that. But even if

766
00:44:06.719 --> 00:44:08.920
<v Speaker 1>I'm stupid, let's try and bring it down to stupid

767
00:44:09.000 --> 00:44:13.760
<v Speaker 1>levels so we can understand this. Okay, Okay, November twenty

768
00:44:13.880 --> 00:44:17.840
<v Speaker 1>nine is the date right of the Life magazine where

769
00:44:18.480 --> 00:44:22.480
<v Speaker 1>they print Depending on which version you have, they print

770
00:44:22.920 --> 00:44:29.480
<v Speaker 1>what between four and six I think, like frames from

771
00:44:29.519 --> 00:44:31.280
<v Speaker 1>the Subbruder film. I don't have it in front of me,

772
00:44:31.360 --> 00:44:34.639
<v Speaker 1>but I know I have copies behind me, big colored.

773
00:44:34.880 --> 00:44:36.760
<v Speaker 6>I have it on my belt, but I have like

774
00:44:36.800 --> 00:44:39.119
<v Speaker 6>a hundred of them, so yeah, I know I have.

775
00:44:39.639 --> 00:44:41.599
<v Speaker 1>I have more than one version of it too. That's

776
00:44:41.639 --> 00:44:44.840
<v Speaker 1>the other thing, which by the way, is weird. But okay,

777
00:44:45.039 --> 00:44:47.679
<v Speaker 1>The thing is this, these things a big giant life

778
00:44:47.760 --> 00:44:52.400
<v Speaker 1>magazine from that era is not even like magazine size

779
00:44:52.639 --> 00:44:55.920
<v Speaker 1>of recent years where it had a standard It was

780
00:44:56.000 --> 00:44:59.440
<v Speaker 1>the larger standard size magazine of the era. So that's

781
00:44:59.480 --> 00:45:02.360
<v Speaker 1>the first thing. And these are the bruter frames were

782
00:45:02.480 --> 00:45:08.039
<v Speaker 1>literally half a page apiece, okay, on the magazine in color,

783
00:45:08.360 --> 00:45:12.599
<v Speaker 1>very nicely printed really, And they have one version where

784
00:45:12.639 --> 00:45:16.280
<v Speaker 1>you have frame three thirteen that got out, and one

785
00:45:16.440 --> 00:45:20.159
<v Speaker 1>version that doesn't contain frame three thirteen, okay, which is

786
00:45:20.239 --> 00:45:23.239
<v Speaker 1>the head explosion frame, to put it in layman's terms,

787
00:45:23.280 --> 00:45:26.239
<v Speaker 1>all right, And those numbers come from the FBI, the

788
00:45:26.320 --> 00:45:29.639
<v Speaker 1>number of frames, et cetera. Okay, So again without getting

789
00:45:29.679 --> 00:45:32.880
<v Speaker 1>lost in the details, that thing has a publication date

790
00:45:33.039 --> 00:45:37.920
<v Speaker 1>of the twenty ninth, sure of November, right, So if

791
00:45:38.000 --> 00:45:40.559
<v Speaker 1>it was published on the twenty ninth, that means that

792
00:45:40.679 --> 00:45:43.760
<v Speaker 1>it was printed ahead of the twenty ninth. It was

793
00:45:43.880 --> 00:45:50.480
<v Speaker 1>shipped okay to subscribers and everything else. Usually, you know,

794
00:45:50.960 --> 00:45:54.239
<v Speaker 1>a normal magazine, they ship it a little bit ahead

795
00:45:54.280 --> 00:45:56.880
<v Speaker 1>of the date that it says on the cover. So

796
00:45:57.320 --> 00:46:00.239
<v Speaker 1>what you're saying is that in a week's time, okay,

797
00:46:00.280 --> 00:46:03.280
<v Speaker 1>from the twenty second, when the event occurs, to the

798
00:46:03.360 --> 00:46:06.880
<v Speaker 1>twenty ninth. This would be the maximum amount of time

799
00:46:07.000 --> 00:46:10.639
<v Speaker 1>you have to release this magazine fully printed, ready to go,

800
00:46:11.239 --> 00:46:15.280
<v Speaker 1>so that means retrieve it, get the film, reproduce it

801
00:46:15.519 --> 00:46:18.679
<v Speaker 1>so that it's usable transfer it over. And this is

802
00:46:18.800 --> 00:46:22.039
<v Speaker 1>not in the age of digital any damn thing. So

803
00:46:23.039 --> 00:46:24.800
<v Speaker 1>you have to deep in mind that there was a

804
00:46:24.960 --> 00:46:29.119
<v Speaker 1>very small window, okay where this could have been done.

805
00:46:30.079 --> 00:46:32.760
<v Speaker 1>So you have a film that has to be in

806
00:46:32.880 --> 00:46:36.440
<v Speaker 1>the possession obviously of Time Life and their various agents,

807
00:46:36.519 --> 00:46:41.519
<v Speaker 1>which then inserts Robert Groden into the equation retroactively, because

808
00:46:41.599 --> 00:46:45.480
<v Speaker 1>later on he gets hold of a mechanics copy okay,

809
00:46:45.800 --> 00:46:48.000
<v Speaker 1>from one of the places that was hired to do

810
00:46:48.159 --> 00:46:51.440
<v Speaker 1>some of the work for Life magazine. Okay, just let

811
00:46:51.519 --> 00:46:53.679
<v Speaker 1>me know when I make a mistake, can I appreciate it?

812
00:46:55.199 --> 00:46:59.119
<v Speaker 1>So here's the thing. You have one week where it's

813
00:46:59.199 --> 00:47:02.480
<v Speaker 1>even possible for them to take and start putting frames out.

814
00:47:02.599 --> 00:47:05.320
<v Speaker 1>That's one two all of this.

815
00:47:05.519 --> 00:47:07.639
<v Speaker 6>Obviously, I would say, it's not even a week.

816
00:47:08.639 --> 00:47:09.280
<v Speaker 1>Sorry, I.

817
00:47:11.159 --> 00:47:12.000
<v Speaker 6>I'm just cutting here.

818
00:47:12.440 --> 00:47:12.559
<v Speaker 1>Uh.

819
00:47:13.519 --> 00:47:18.880
<v Speaker 6>They have to counter it when by nine woman flew

820
00:47:18.960 --> 00:47:21.119
<v Speaker 6>it all the way to your city.

821
00:47:21.360 --> 00:47:22.880
<v Speaker 1>Well, if you don't mind, I want to add that

822
00:47:23.000 --> 00:47:26.000
<v Speaker 1>punchline if you don't mind, Ken, I want to add

823
00:47:26.000 --> 00:47:28.800
<v Speaker 1>that punchline at the end, if you don't mind, because

824
00:47:28.880 --> 00:47:30.960
<v Speaker 1>that week is now going to is gonna get worse

825
00:47:31.079 --> 00:47:33.519
<v Speaker 1>later on when I explain what we got to cut

826
00:47:33.599 --> 00:47:35.480
<v Speaker 1>off of that week, because there's a bunch of things.

827
00:47:36.039 --> 00:47:38.000
<v Speaker 1>But let's just leave it at They have a week

828
00:47:38.159 --> 00:47:42.320
<v Speaker 1>before they have to, you know, publicize portions of the film. Okay,

829
00:47:42.480 --> 00:47:45.599
<v Speaker 1>so we'll put that aside for now, and understand this.

830
00:47:45.840 --> 00:47:50.320
<v Speaker 1>The other major contention that I keep hearing from like everybody, is, oh,

831
00:47:50.400 --> 00:47:55.320
<v Speaker 1>they removed frames. Okay, this concept of removing frames to

832
00:47:55.480 --> 00:47:58.800
<v Speaker 1>change the speed, to change the direction of the head, snap,

833
00:47:59.320 --> 00:48:02.079
<v Speaker 1>to do all these different things. Okay, forget about their

834
00:48:02.159 --> 00:48:04.199
<v Speaker 1>goals and what it is they were trying to achieve,

835
00:48:04.800 --> 00:48:07.800
<v Speaker 1>all right, because here's the bottom line. The public doesn't

836
00:48:07.880 --> 00:48:13.079
<v Speaker 1>necessarily understand film to begin with, and certainly there is

837
00:48:13.159 --> 00:48:17.199
<v Speaker 1>now an even bigger problem because of the difference in

838
00:48:17.320 --> 00:48:22.400
<v Speaker 1>technology from then to now and even all of the

839
00:48:22.519 --> 00:48:26.800
<v Speaker 1>in betweens. Okay, here's the problem, though, If you literally

840
00:48:26.960 --> 00:48:31.360
<v Speaker 1>pluck frames from a film of that time period, you

841
00:48:31.519 --> 00:48:35.440
<v Speaker 1>do not get the expected effects that people think. It's

842
00:48:35.559 --> 00:48:37.840
<v Speaker 1>not like pulling pages out of a flip book and

843
00:48:37.920 --> 00:48:43.360
<v Speaker 1>rearranging them. It doesn't work that way. So this is

844
00:48:43.440 --> 00:48:46.599
<v Speaker 1>why they need to introduce all of these other intricacies

845
00:48:46.800 --> 00:48:49.400
<v Speaker 1>of the optical printer and how state of the art

846
00:48:49.480 --> 00:48:52.280
<v Speaker 1>cutting edge stuff. And here's the thing. I will concede

847
00:48:53.000 --> 00:48:55.599
<v Speaker 1>that there was cutting edge technology in the hands of

848
00:48:55.679 --> 00:48:58.440
<v Speaker 1>many people, whether it's in Hollywood or at the CIA

849
00:48:58.599 --> 00:49:02.760
<v Speaker 1>or whatever else. But I promise we're generations ahead of

850
00:49:02.880 --> 00:49:05.519
<v Speaker 1>what the general public knew about. So I don't even

851
00:49:05.559 --> 00:49:07.880
<v Speaker 1>want to, you know, get into the muck on that argument.

852
00:49:08.360 --> 00:49:10.760
<v Speaker 1>Here's the thing, though, if you just pull frames out

853
00:49:10.800 --> 00:49:13.440
<v Speaker 1>of that film as quickly as you would have to

854
00:49:14.280 --> 00:49:18.519
<v Speaker 1>before it was viewed by many people, uh who before

855
00:49:18.519 --> 00:49:21.920
<v Speaker 1>it was viewed by people in the government uh and

856
00:49:22.199 --> 00:49:24.880
<v Speaker 1>outside of the government. Because remember, the FBI walked away

857
00:49:24.920 --> 00:49:26.840
<v Speaker 1>with a copy. According to the story that I know,

858
00:49:27.360 --> 00:49:30.840
<v Speaker 1>the FBI walked away with a copy. Okay, the time

859
00:49:30.960 --> 00:49:33.760
<v Speaker 1>Life people walked away with a copy, and then there

860
00:49:33.880 --> 00:49:38.880
<v Speaker 1>was a third copy at least that it's a little confusing,

861
00:49:38.960 --> 00:49:40.559
<v Speaker 1>but I think, yeah, go ahead.

862
00:49:41.760 --> 00:49:49.519
<v Speaker 6>Yeah, slightly wrong, Go ahead. So in one of the

863
00:49:50.079 --> 00:49:54.000
<v Speaker 6>copies there was a thrifmaide on that day. The other

864
00:49:54.440 --> 00:49:55.119
<v Speaker 6>two when Cheo.

865
00:49:55.159 --> 00:49:59.320
<v Speaker 10>The Secrets did this, and the FBI actually requested a

866
00:49:59.480 --> 00:50:00.159
<v Speaker 10>I'm copy.

867
00:50:02.119 --> 00:50:04.760
<v Speaker 6>From one of these Chris Wares, but they had on

868
00:50:04.920 --> 00:50:05.400
<v Speaker 6>two of them.

869
00:50:05.679 --> 00:50:10.400
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, okay. The Secret Service ended up loaning one of

870
00:50:10.480 --> 00:50:13.320
<v Speaker 1>their copies to the FBI, if I remember right, that's

871
00:50:13.360 --> 00:50:16.079
<v Speaker 1>where their copy comes from, and that's what they wind

872
00:50:16.159 --> 00:50:19.119
<v Speaker 1>up using as a training aid and also used in

873
00:50:19.199 --> 00:50:24.039
<v Speaker 1>the production of that WFAA TV thing that I posted online,

874
00:50:24.480 --> 00:50:26.760
<v Speaker 1>which was this whole production which showed you pieces of

875
00:50:27.039 --> 00:50:32.400
<v Speaker 1>nix Zupruter and much more. Okay, which coincidentally, yes, we're

876
00:50:32.480 --> 00:50:37.119
<v Speaker 1>also printed frame by frame in the Warren Commission volumes.

877
00:50:38.119 --> 00:50:41.639
<v Speaker 1>I think it's eighteen if I'm not mistaken. Volume eighteen

878
00:50:41.719 --> 00:50:43.920
<v Speaker 1>I think contains the Prince of the film.

879
00:50:44.360 --> 00:50:50.360
<v Speaker 6>Of course, yes eight beam Exhibit eighty.

880
00:50:50.719 --> 00:50:54.679
<v Speaker 1>Thank you, Exhibit eight eighty five is supruiter, but much

881
00:50:54.760 --> 00:50:57.920
<v Speaker 1>more in Knicks are in there. They're like right after

882
00:50:58.000 --> 00:51:05.360
<v Speaker 1>it in the same volume, right, Sorry, Ken, you kind

883
00:51:05.400 --> 00:51:07.360
<v Speaker 1>of like went funny there for a second. I didn't

884
00:51:07.400 --> 00:51:07.599
<v Speaker 1>hear you.

885
00:51:09.559 --> 00:51:15.039
<v Speaker 6>Oh sorry, I said, I think it's in the same song,

886
00:51:15.280 --> 00:51:16.760
<v Speaker 6>but I would have to couple watch out.

887
00:51:17.000 --> 00:51:19.639
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, no problem, but either way, there's black and white

888
00:51:19.679 --> 00:51:22.320
<v Speaker 1>prints of that in the Warren Commission volumes. All right,

889
00:51:23.239 --> 00:51:25.719
<v Speaker 1>either way, all of these things would now have to

890
00:51:25.920 --> 00:51:29.519
<v Speaker 1>match once again afterwards. And this idea of just plucking

891
00:51:29.559 --> 00:51:33.760
<v Speaker 1>frames out is ludicrous if you actually did it, It

892
00:51:33.920 --> 00:51:36.000
<v Speaker 1>makes no sense with the things that they're trying to

893
00:51:36.039 --> 00:51:38.880
<v Speaker 1>say they would have accomplished now if you turn around

894
00:51:38.960 --> 00:51:42.840
<v Speaker 1>and you pull the elements apart and literally do which. Yes, indeed,

895
00:51:42.880 --> 00:51:45.239
<v Speaker 1>there was a lot of like Hollywood magic where people

896
00:51:45.280 --> 00:51:48.679
<v Speaker 1>did some wild things with films before the days of photoshop,

897
00:51:48.760 --> 00:51:53.599
<v Speaker 1>et cetera. Okay, before George Lucas had to invent editing programs, okay,

898
00:51:54.000 --> 00:51:56.440
<v Speaker 1>which he did. He invented stuff in order to shoot

899
00:51:56.480 --> 00:52:01.119
<v Speaker 1>Star Wars, Okay, long before those days, they had lots

900
00:52:01.159 --> 00:52:04.280
<v Speaker 1>of wild magic. Some stuff they did literally with like

901
00:52:04.559 --> 00:52:07.760
<v Speaker 1>razor blades and clear tape I'm not kidding, where they

902
00:52:07.880 --> 00:52:10.559
<v Speaker 1>literally would take somebody and cut them carefully out of

903
00:52:10.599 --> 00:52:12.960
<v Speaker 1>a frame and place them in a place where they

904
00:52:13.000 --> 00:52:16.639
<v Speaker 1>couldn't possibly be and stuff like that. Okay. They used

905
00:52:16.639 --> 00:52:18.079
<v Speaker 1>to do some of that stuff by hand.

906
00:52:18.199 --> 00:52:18.960
<v Speaker 6>Yeah, it's called.

907
00:52:20.679 --> 00:52:24.519
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, superimposing, right, okay, And that was the very physical

908
00:52:24.760 --> 00:52:27.239
<v Speaker 1>version of doing it, which was one way, and there

909
00:52:27.280 --> 00:52:31.760
<v Speaker 1>were other magical ways that they reshot stuff. They created

910
00:52:32.039 --> 00:52:35.360
<v Speaker 1>different methodologies for literally like shooting a film onto a

911
00:52:35.440 --> 00:52:38.519
<v Speaker 1>film so that you could put something in between. And

912
00:52:38.920 --> 00:52:41.960
<v Speaker 1>there's a lot of stuff to it. There's whole, probably

913
00:52:42.039 --> 00:52:46.000
<v Speaker 1>whole college curriculum that could be run on the different

914
00:52:46.079 --> 00:52:48.880
<v Speaker 1>techniques and magic that was used in order to accomplish

915
00:52:49.000 --> 00:52:53.159
<v Speaker 1>certain things from an audio and video perspective in Hollywood alone,

916
00:52:54.400 --> 00:52:57.039
<v Speaker 1>not to mention that there were independent technologies developed in

917
00:52:57.119 --> 00:53:00.559
<v Speaker 1>some other places that didn't necessarily make it to be screens.

918
00:53:00.880 --> 00:53:03.039
<v Speaker 1>But either way, all of these things did end up

919
00:53:03.079 --> 00:53:05.440
<v Speaker 1>coming together and where do you bring the best ideas

920
00:53:05.519 --> 00:53:07.960
<v Speaker 1>to where the most money can be made. So that

921
00:53:08.199 --> 00:53:11.920
<v Speaker 1>of course means Hollywood attracted and collected these methodologies, but

922
00:53:12.639 --> 00:53:15.239
<v Speaker 1>it also means that when it came time to make

923
00:53:15.280 --> 00:53:18.679
<v Speaker 1>propaganda as opposed to doing what they had to do

924
00:53:18.800 --> 00:53:21.360
<v Speaker 1>in early newsreels, which by the way, we know now

925
00:53:21.880 --> 00:53:26.199
<v Speaker 1>that certain historical events, okay that were supposedly captured on

926
00:53:26.320 --> 00:53:31.719
<v Speaker 1>camera are recreations and productions that were created by news

927
00:53:31.800 --> 00:53:36.280
<v Speaker 1>corporation people in order to show a film. I mean, coincidentally,

928
00:53:36.599 --> 00:53:38.920
<v Speaker 1>you got a guy that's there on the particular day

929
00:53:38.960 --> 00:53:42.159
<v Speaker 1>that the Americans invaded an island, and they've got a

930
00:53:42.280 --> 00:53:47.920
<v Speaker 1>perfectly clear picture of exactly how they invaded an island. Okay, yeah, yeah, no,

931
00:53:48.639 --> 00:53:50.719
<v Speaker 1>that's not what happened. They didn't happen to have three

932
00:53:50.760 --> 00:53:55.400
<v Speaker 1>cameras set up before the surprise attack occurred. Okay, use

933
00:53:55.440 --> 00:53:58.280
<v Speaker 1>your head about that stuff. But at the time people

934
00:53:58.400 --> 00:54:00.599
<v Speaker 1>saw it and it was like here's news were actually

935
00:54:00.679 --> 00:54:04.400
<v Speaker 1>showing you news. So there is stuff that was done

936
00:54:04.599 --> 00:54:07.000
<v Speaker 1>in the news media, so to speak, of the time.

937
00:54:07.039 --> 00:54:10.239
<v Speaker 1>Even though there wasn't TV, there was newsreels, you know,

938
00:54:10.559 --> 00:54:14.239
<v Speaker 1>before that, And so in movie theaters people saw movie

939
00:54:14.360 --> 00:54:19.000
<v Speaker 1>magic presented to them as historical footage, as things happening

940
00:54:19.159 --> 00:54:22.800
<v Speaker 1>in real life. You know, sometimes they did actually shoot

941
00:54:22.920 --> 00:54:26.400
<v Speaker 1>historical events, you know, a speech somewhere, something that occurred,

942
00:54:26.480 --> 00:54:29.760
<v Speaker 1>the aftermath of a riot, whatever. They did get those

943
00:54:29.880 --> 00:54:33.599
<v Speaker 1>things sometimes, but a bunch of them, we find out

944
00:54:33.679 --> 00:54:38.320
<v Speaker 1>later were fabricated. So the idea that somebody could create

945
00:54:38.519 --> 00:54:43.639
<v Speaker 1>historical footage is also plausible, but when you try to

946
00:54:43.760 --> 00:54:48.239
<v Speaker 1>assemble this thing, it becomes problematic. So on the simplest

947
00:54:48.280 --> 00:54:51.800
<v Speaker 1>of levels, a lot of the techniques that are being

948
00:54:51.880 --> 00:54:57.159
<v Speaker 1>discussed about how alteration occurred have problems with who has

949
00:54:57.280 --> 00:55:00.760
<v Speaker 1>possession of the film, how they rounded it all back up,

950
00:55:00.880 --> 00:55:04.000
<v Speaker 1>with none of the odd copies really getting out anywhere

951
00:55:04.079 --> 00:55:07.000
<v Speaker 1>except what three guys on the planet have said they've

952
00:55:07.039 --> 00:55:12.199
<v Speaker 1>seen the completely altered version. I've seen some unusual versions

953
00:55:12.239 --> 00:55:16.039
<v Speaker 1>of the film myself, which contained more stuff than what

954
00:55:16.199 --> 00:55:19.519
<v Speaker 1>we usually get shown. But just like I told you know,

955
00:55:20.719 --> 00:55:23.880
<v Speaker 1>what do you call it? My goodness, Gail, you know,

956
00:55:24.039 --> 00:55:26.039
<v Speaker 1>Gail nick Jackson, just like I told her about who

957
00:55:26.079 --> 00:55:29.400
<v Speaker 1>the hell was the cheerleader on your grandfather's film. She

958
00:55:29.519 --> 00:55:32.800
<v Speaker 1>almost fell over because she was like, hardly anybody knows

959
00:55:32.800 --> 00:55:36.239
<v Speaker 1>about that. I'm like, yeah, I've actually seen something that

960
00:55:36.360 --> 00:55:39.199
<v Speaker 1>was closer to the original than most people, because we

961
00:55:39.320 --> 00:55:41.639
<v Speaker 1>had to go find these things down, and indeed people

962
00:55:41.679 --> 00:55:43.960
<v Speaker 1>have had them at certain points, and now they seem

963
00:55:44.039 --> 00:55:47.719
<v Speaker 1>to have vanished. So there is a hall of mirrors

964
00:55:47.760 --> 00:55:52.280
<v Speaker 1>here regarding providence, regarding who had possession, regarding who got copies,

965
00:55:52.719 --> 00:55:56.920
<v Speaker 1>regarding where the originals may or may not be. Even

966
00:55:56.960 --> 00:55:59.440
<v Speaker 1>there is a good question, a good solid question about

967
00:55:59.480 --> 00:56:02.639
<v Speaker 1>the original that is in the hands of the National Archives. Ken,

968
00:56:03.519 --> 00:56:07.239
<v Speaker 1>because you know the indicators on the film, they tell

969
00:56:07.320 --> 00:56:10.880
<v Speaker 1>you where something was printed, where it was developed. Okay,

970
00:56:11.000 --> 00:56:14.800
<v Speaker 1>things like this and according to my understanding, we've got

971
00:56:14.880 --> 00:56:17.719
<v Speaker 1>problems with the numbers on the sprocket holes there when

972
00:56:17.760 --> 00:56:23.119
<v Speaker 1>it comes to the supposed Zubruter film. Okay, so I

973
00:56:23.280 --> 00:56:26.280
<v Speaker 1>find it questionable, and I think we should clarify these things,

974
00:56:27.679 --> 00:56:30.000
<v Speaker 1>But to go all the way into the land of

975
00:56:30.159 --> 00:56:32.800
<v Speaker 1>it's been reproduced, the back of his head's blacked out,

976
00:56:32.920 --> 00:56:35.760
<v Speaker 1>and all these other things, I think this is all

977
00:56:35.840 --> 00:56:40.559
<v Speaker 1>based on fundamental misunderstandings of a few things. One, the

978
00:56:40.639 --> 00:56:44.079
<v Speaker 1>way that film works, Okay, the way that film actually

979
00:56:44.159 --> 00:56:46.719
<v Speaker 1>works to begin with, if you're not trying to tamper

980
00:56:46.800 --> 00:56:48.239
<v Speaker 1>with it and how it works. I think these people

981
00:56:48.280 --> 00:56:51.400
<v Speaker 1>don't understand any of that in most cases, and if

982
00:56:51.440 --> 00:56:54.880
<v Speaker 1>they do have a rudimentary understanding of that, they're lacking

983
00:56:54.960 --> 00:56:59.039
<v Speaker 1>a knowledge in what I'll just call opkins. There are

984
00:56:59.079 --> 00:57:03.760
<v Speaker 1>certain things that are ocur optically when photographing that don't

985
00:57:03.840 --> 00:57:08.920
<v Speaker 1>necessarily look exactly like real life, but are artifacts of

986
00:57:09.119 --> 00:57:13.400
<v Speaker 1>various effects. Different light that comes in, reflections that come

987
00:57:13.519 --> 00:57:15.559
<v Speaker 1>from a source you don't even see on the camera.

988
00:57:16.400 --> 00:57:20.360
<v Speaker 1>Various things happen. The darkening of the back of JFK's head,

989
00:57:20.440 --> 00:57:25.639
<v Speaker 1>for instance, big thing they wave about is problematic because

990
00:57:26.599 --> 00:57:30.920
<v Speaker 1>it does to the naked eye look pretty strange and suspicious.

991
00:57:31.599 --> 00:57:37.360
<v Speaker 1>But having familiarized myself with the anomalies in many different films,

992
00:57:37.840 --> 00:57:41.960
<v Speaker 1>when you have organic light and various things that can

993
00:57:42.039 --> 00:57:46.880
<v Speaker 1>redirect it, refract it, and reflect it that are being photographed, okay,

994
00:57:47.760 --> 00:57:50.400
<v Speaker 1>you can come up with a great many explanations for that.

995
00:57:50.559 --> 00:57:53.239
<v Speaker 1>I mean even the backyard photos which somebody got very

996
00:57:53.280 --> 00:57:56.840
<v Speaker 1>angry at me about recently, where they said, well, those

997
00:57:56.920 --> 00:58:00.960
<v Speaker 1>shadows are impossible. I said, well, it so happens. I

998
00:58:01.039 --> 00:58:04.280
<v Speaker 1>have a friend who went to that address on that

999
00:58:04.480 --> 00:58:06.880
<v Speaker 1>calendar day, okay, because if you go there on the

1000
00:58:06.920 --> 00:58:10.000
<v Speaker 1>same calendar day, you should ostensibly have the sun in

1001
00:58:10.079 --> 00:58:13.760
<v Speaker 1>the same position, which helps with half shadows wind up falling.

1002
00:58:13.800 --> 00:58:17.599
<v Speaker 1>By the way, right, I've had somebody go there and

1003
00:58:17.800 --> 00:58:21.960
<v Speaker 1>stand on the exact correct spot when they were, you know,

1004
00:58:22.159 --> 00:58:25.480
<v Speaker 1>remodeling and ripping down the steps. In fact, that person

1005
00:58:25.559 --> 00:58:28.599
<v Speaker 1>took one of the steps home as a souvenir that

1006
00:58:28.719 --> 00:58:30.760
<v Speaker 1>you see. You see a pair of set of steps

1007
00:58:30.960 --> 00:58:33.920
<v Speaker 1>on the left hand side of the photo. Right anyway,

1008
00:58:34.039 --> 00:58:37.519
<v Speaker 1>stood in the spot where Oswald is and stood there

1009
00:58:37.639 --> 00:58:40.000
<v Speaker 1>not with a gun, but stood there with the club

1010
00:58:40.079 --> 00:58:41.679
<v Speaker 1>from their car there used to be this thing called

1011
00:58:41.679 --> 00:58:43.679
<v Speaker 1>a club you put on your steering wheel. It's supposed

1012
00:58:43.679 --> 00:58:47.960
<v Speaker 1>to prevent theft anyway. Oh right, he stood there with

1013
00:58:48.079 --> 00:58:50.679
<v Speaker 1>the club in his hands, holding it in an orientation

1014
00:58:50.880 --> 00:58:54.440
<v Speaker 1>similar to the gun, just to see if the shadows

1015
00:58:54.480 --> 00:58:56.079
<v Speaker 1>off of the head and this and that, and he

1016
00:58:56.199 --> 00:58:59.840
<v Speaker 1>was of a similar height, let's say, to Oswald, similar

1017
00:59:00.119 --> 00:59:04.440
<v Speaker 1>not exact, And you get a general idea that those

1018
00:59:04.519 --> 00:59:09.400
<v Speaker 1>seemingly insanely differential shadows that had to be from different

1019
00:59:09.440 --> 00:59:12.840
<v Speaker 1>sources and all that. Guess what, they for the most part,

1020
00:59:13.119 --> 00:59:17.039
<v Speaker 1>can be reproduced in that position at the right time

1021
00:59:17.079 --> 00:59:21.280
<v Speaker 1>of day. Okay, on the right day, you can reproduce

1022
00:59:21.360 --> 00:59:25.559
<v Speaker 1>all those The shadow argument is gone if you do that,

1023
00:59:25.840 --> 00:59:29.920
<v Speaker 1>and he did it. Yeah, So I'm just saying that

1024
00:59:30.079 --> 00:59:32.199
<v Speaker 1>there are ways to go about this to be precise

1025
00:59:32.400 --> 00:59:35.599
<v Speaker 1>and attract certain things down the back of the head thing.

1026
00:59:36.159 --> 00:59:39.119
<v Speaker 1>I believe it's an anomaly, and I believe there's an

1027
00:59:39.159 --> 00:59:46.320
<v Speaker 1>explanation for it. I don't have confidence enough to tell

1028
00:59:46.360 --> 00:59:49.920
<v Speaker 1>you exactly how it goes step by step, but I've

1029
00:59:50.000 --> 00:59:53.960
<v Speaker 1>found plausible explanations from people who understand the optics, who

1030
00:59:54.079 --> 00:59:58.639
<v Speaker 1>understands how the lens in that camera works. Okay, et cetera,

1031
00:59:58.960 --> 01:00:03.679
<v Speaker 1>et cetera. And they also understand how light sources shift

1032
01:00:03.719 --> 01:00:07.840
<v Speaker 1>around and change things and create things. With those understandings

1033
01:00:07.880 --> 01:00:10.519
<v Speaker 1>in hand, I've had people walk me through and I

1034
01:00:10.679 --> 01:00:13.840
<v Speaker 1>see an explanation that is reasonable for the back of

1035
01:00:13.880 --> 01:00:16.559
<v Speaker 1>the head being blacked out. Now, I know that sounds

1036
01:00:16.599 --> 01:00:20.119
<v Speaker 1>crazy to some people, but it is what I see. Now.

1037
01:00:20.760 --> 01:00:24.360
<v Speaker 1>Do I say we shouldn't explore this, No, but here

1038
01:00:24.480 --> 01:00:27.519
<v Speaker 1>we go. It's one of these things where you were saying, Ken,

1039
01:00:27.920 --> 01:00:29.880
<v Speaker 1>I wanted to lay that out as simply as possible.

1040
01:00:29.920 --> 01:00:32.400
<v Speaker 1>Though the two big things, the back of the head

1041
01:00:32.440 --> 01:00:34.719
<v Speaker 1>thing where it's blacked out, where people scream about it

1042
01:00:35.159 --> 01:00:37.800
<v Speaker 1>and they remove frames to take out this or that,

1043
01:00:38.440 --> 01:00:41.400
<v Speaker 1>or to change the speed or change the direction. Almost

1044
01:00:41.519 --> 01:00:44.239
<v Speaker 1>every single thing they're saying you could accomplish by taking

1045
01:00:44.280 --> 01:00:47.639
<v Speaker 1>out frames cannot even be accomplished. By taking out frames,

1046
01:00:48.280 --> 01:00:52.400
<v Speaker 1>you would get a wholly different looking thing, right. And also,

1047
01:00:53.079 --> 01:00:56.039
<v Speaker 1>these are people who have also not seen an unstabilized

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<v Speaker 1>version of that film, which is another issue. The stabilization

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<v Speaker 1>creates certain effects in the film, and it's you know,

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<v Speaker 1>it's a benefit, but it does change the way the

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<v Speaker 1>film was actually originally shot. Just a bit, and I've

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<v Speaker 1>seen a shaky version. It really does change what it

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<v Speaker 1>is you're seeing on the screen. And I know I'm

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<v Speaker 1>not one hundred percent qualified there because of my bad eyesight,

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<v Speaker 1>but here's the thing. I pay a lot of attention

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<v Speaker 1>to what little eyesight I have. So I'm telling you

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<v Speaker 1>now that there is a perspective shift here that is

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<v Speaker 1>also something that you know, ninety nine percent of the

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<v Speaker 1>public has I guaranteed never even seen. So none of

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<v Speaker 1>us have actually seen the original first of all, and
