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<v Speaker 1>Welcome to the one hundred and fifty fifth episode of

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<v Speaker 1>the Supernatural Occurrence Studies Podcast.

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<v Speaker 2>I plead the fifty fifth.

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<v Speaker 1>I plead the one two, three four fifth, Yeah, exactly.

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<v Speaker 1>My name is Jason Knight, host of the show, and

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<v Speaker 1>who is you?

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<v Speaker 2>Who is me? My name is Oscar Spector.

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<v Speaker 1>Producer, Extraordinary and podcast co host. Two shows in a row.

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<v Speaker 2>They don't know that. They don't need to know that.

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<v Speaker 1>They don't need to know that.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh, I see two shows in a row. Made like

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<v Speaker 2>and yes, Oh I see that, and I ruin the magic.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm fulfilling my promise. Yes, have you been?

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<v Speaker 2>Have you been?

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<v Speaker 1>Oscar?

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<v Speaker 2>Oh, I've been good. You know there is something.

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<v Speaker 1>You've got news, because I don't really have any news news.

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<v Speaker 2>There's something recent. I mean, this is a pop culture thing,

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<v Speaker 2>but I think it's fun and I think it's up

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<v Speaker 2>your ally. I've recently been into this thing that I

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<v Speaker 2>found on TikTok. TikTok inspires me so randomly and I

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<v Speaker 2>don't nowhere or it tells me about something so randomly

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<v Speaker 2>and out of nowhere, as as social media does.

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<v Speaker 1>Do you know I don't have TikTok.

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<v Speaker 2>I believe it well, you're I don't have it. I

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<v Speaker 2>think there's an age when you start going on.

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<v Speaker 1>Do you know how hard it is for me to

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<v Speaker 1>watch TikTok's that people send me because I don't have TikTok.

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<v Speaker 2>Is it hard?

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<v Speaker 1>It's very hard.

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<v Speaker 2>So I should stop sending you.

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<v Speaker 1>Time to consume me.

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<v Speaker 2>Just fucking get the.

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<v Speaker 1>App because the Chinese are watching.

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<v Speaker 2>They're watching you anyway, and they don't also care what

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<v Speaker 2>you're doing.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I'm nobody, right, literally nobody.

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<v Speaker 2>Like we're all really nobodies. You have comfort in that

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<v Speaker 2>have comforted that you're a part of the masses. Yes, sorry, no,

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<v Speaker 2>you're find friendship anyway. But three TikTok I found this thing,

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<v Speaker 2>this thing that's been on and already a thing for

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<v Speaker 2>a while years now. You know you are familiar with

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<v Speaker 2>the Harry Potter franchise, of course, yes, More importantly, you

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<v Speaker 2>are familiar with the Harry Potter novels. Yes, big fan

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<v Speaker 2>you are. We are a big fan. That's one of

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<v Speaker 2>the things we bonded over super big fan earlier in

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<v Speaker 2>our friendship.

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<v Speaker 1>Yep. Remember I had the final book delivered to my

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<v Speaker 1>wedding reception.

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<v Speaker 2>I remember. I tell that to people often.

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<v Speaker 1>But the caveat here is it's been ages since I

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<v Speaker 1>read those books or seen those movies, right, and hopefully

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<v Speaker 1>I don't have to draw on my knowledge here, Well,

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<v Speaker 1>not too much. The old memory isn't so good no more.

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<v Speaker 2>You've also heard a fanfic? Correct?

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<v Speaker 1>Yes? Right?

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<v Speaker 2>Have you read any fan folk? Are looked out? Looked

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<v Speaker 2>out for any specific fanfic and in your lifetime doesn't

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<v Speaker 2>have to be sexual A dozen This.

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<v Speaker 1>Is so stupid. Yes. And it was Texas chains Texas

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<v Speaker 1>Chainsaw fan fiction, Okay, very specifically that And I don't

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<v Speaker 1>remember the number of the movie, but it was the

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<v Speaker 1>one with Matthew McConaughey, number four I think is that four?

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<v Speaker 1>I think where he was part of a society and

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<v Speaker 1>with the nipple rings the guy had three nipples.

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<v Speaker 2>All this fucking it's vague in my memory, but I

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<v Speaker 2>remember that movie being crazy.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, in the movie itself, that whole thing is vague.

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<v Speaker 1>So I went online what the fuck does this mean?

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<v Speaker 1>And then I got down the rabbit hole of fanfic

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<v Speaker 1>on that particular.

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<v Speaker 2>People expand on that universe.

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<v Speaker 1>Yes, yes, and it went in crazy places. I bet

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<v Speaker 1>as fanfic does, so I am familiar with it.

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<v Speaker 2>Yes, okay, I found maybe the my favorite at least,

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<v Speaker 2>not that I'm an expert in Harry Potter fanfic, but

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<v Speaker 2>I found an amazing piece of fanfic that's been around

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<v Speaker 2>in famous for a while, again new to me this year,

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<v Speaker 2>that I think you might be interested in.

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<v Speaker 1>What is it?

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<v Speaker 2>So it is fifty chapters. Wow, they're long, and they're

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<v Speaker 2>not long long, but they're like the equivalent of two

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<v Speaker 2>early Harry Potter books or one later novels size books

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<v Speaker 2>basically that length. Think of that length an extra book,

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<v Speaker 2>let's say, accounting a time where it's called oh no,

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<v Speaker 2>not again. That's what it's called. Oh no, it's called

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<v Speaker 2>oh God, not again. Sorry, my bad, oh God, not again.

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<v Speaker 2>And I've been I've been listening to the audiobook version

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<v Speaker 2>on YouTube, which is free to hear. So that's how

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<v Speaker 2>I've been doing it as I work out or as

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<v Speaker 2>I make legos or whatever. And some person, some random

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<v Speaker 2>person studied paid attention around it. Yep, super famous in

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<v Speaker 2>the Internet. And what it's about is that the synopsis

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<v Speaker 2>is that Harry Potter is twenty three, he's about to

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<v Speaker 2>become an or this is after the events of Baldemore

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<v Speaker 2>Down and everything's spoiler for that old show now movies.

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<v Speaker 1>I don't know if it's spoiler anymore.

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<v Speaker 2>No, I don't think so. He starts having these dreams

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<v Speaker 2>or nightmares about the Veil, the veil that took Serious

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<v Speaker 2>Black and the Department of Mysteries in book five.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh god, yeah, okay.

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<v Speaker 2>That's right, YesYes, just having these weird dreams about it.

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<v Speaker 2>And then he goes to sleep. Something happens. He seemingly

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<v Speaker 2>goes through the veil in a weird way, and he

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<v Speaker 2>wakes up. He is eleven years old again. Oh he

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<v Speaker 2>is back on Private Drive and it's year one of

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<v Speaker 2>Harry Potter, but it's him being twenty three years old.

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<v Speaker 1>Like mentally he's twenty three, so he knows what he

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<v Speaker 1>went through. Uh huh, now he could do things different.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm in it's exactly. The shit that he does is funny,

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<v Speaker 1>it's interesting. It goes into weird, wacky places because he's

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<v Speaker 1>having fun. He's not like fearful of everything. He's fucking

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<v Speaker 1>with everyone. Oh my god.

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<v Speaker 2>He's interested in making money fast. He's like, for example,

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<v Speaker 2>like he befriends Draco like day one.

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<v Speaker 1>Instead of yeah, oh my god, like that right there

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<v Speaker 1>right there changes the entire universe.

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<v Speaker 2>When he meets Lockhart Kilroy kilde Word Lockhart, he like

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<v Speaker 2>joins up with him to make a book about their

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<v Speaker 2>exploids and make more money and get understand his celebrity status.

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<v Speaker 1>It is, dude, I got a bookmarked right here.

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<v Speaker 2>It is awesome.

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<v Speaker 1>Thank you for that. That is cool because I am

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<v Speaker 1>kind of looking for something new to get into read

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<v Speaker 1>them finishing up a Stephen King book that just came

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<v Speaker 1>out right now now, So I've been looking for something

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<v Speaker 1>I would be.

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<v Speaker 2>I've been listening to five chapters a day and I'm

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<v Speaker 2>on a chapter twenty eight or something.

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<v Speaker 1>So let me ask you what fanfic does it have

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<v Speaker 1>to be multiple authors or could it be one?

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<v Speaker 2>And this case is one author it is. I don't

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<v Speaker 2>know how they are normally. I'm sure it's a mixed

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<v Speaker 2>match of all last year. But this is one person

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<v Speaker 2>well and some and some people did like a They

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<v Speaker 2>collected money maybe through Patreon. I think it was through

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<v Speaker 2>Patreon to make the audiobook Wow available and that took

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<v Speaker 2>him a while to subscribe and paid stuff and they

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<v Speaker 2>finished it all it's been finished and I've been listening

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<v Speaker 2>to it.

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<v Speaker 1>How old is.

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<v Speaker 2>It I don't know how old, but you're years old.

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<v Speaker 1>Now, Okay, I will definitely check it out.

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<v Speaker 2>I know Howard ends. I'm like a little over halfway.

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<v Speaker 1>Wow. Maybe someone out there, if you've read this or

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<v Speaker 1>listened to it, that's pretty cool. Let us know. Oh good,

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<v Speaker 1>contact at Chicago ghost podcast dot com.

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<v Speaker 2>I can't believe you remember.

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<v Speaker 1>Great there. Yeah, but no, that sounds that sounds awesome. Yes,

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<v Speaker 1>there's a whole new take on has JK.

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<v Speaker 2>Rowling said, I don't I haven't looked into it, and

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<v Speaker 2>that that, and it sounds I'm not saying it sounds

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<v Speaker 2>like jk roll because it sounds like an older Harry

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<v Speaker 2>Potter honestly and said, but like also, it does have

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<v Speaker 2>whiffs of that. It it feels like in another book

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<v Speaker 2>in some ways.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah. Cool.

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<v Speaker 2>Think I think this person is who's usually name was

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<v Speaker 2>Sarah something, did a really good job with this fanfic.

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<v Speaker 1>That's great. There you go, listeners, And.

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<v Speaker 2>No, there's not a dirty book either. It's totally normal

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<v Speaker 2>Harry Potter book.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh no, not again.

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<v Speaker 2>It's called oh god, not again, Oh.

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<v Speaker 1>God, not again. There you go, listeners, check it out. Yes,

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<v Speaker 1>I'm gonna do it.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm so enjoying it.

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<v Speaker 1>Great. Let's so all right, So you don't know what

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<v Speaker 1>we're talking about tonight, you have no clue.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh no, I haven't.

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<v Speaker 1>I told you absolutely jack shit about this one. I figured,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, the last three episodes have been all serial killery.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, a lot of ours are.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, this time I wanted to go whimsical. Is we're

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<v Speaker 1>going whimsical?

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<v Speaker 2>So maybe, like the whimsy of Harry Potter is a

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<v Speaker 2>connective tissue here.

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<v Speaker 1>No correlation I could even think of it all. But

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<v Speaker 1>they're both I mean whimsical.

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<v Speaker 2>Right, That's what I meant.

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<v Speaker 1>Let's take a break. We'll be right to it. Listeners,

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<v Speaker 1>welcome back to the show.

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<v Speaker 2>I've never heard of Sandman.

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<v Speaker 1>Just jumped the gun because I didn't do the lights

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<v Speaker 1>are turned down low, Cerreophon, fuck it, Oscar.

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<v Speaker 2>I just wanted to because we started, Oscar.

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<v Speaker 1>Have you ever seen Oh, we're gonna go with it.

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<v Speaker 1>Then we're going, Okay, it's late. Have you ever seen

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<v Speaker 1>what the Netflix series that came out a few years

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<v Speaker 1>ago called The Sandman?

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<v Speaker 2>H Yeah, I think I have seen that.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, it's it's that show. It's the main character is

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<v Speaker 1>called dream or Lord Morpheus, who's basically the personification of

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<v Speaker 1>humanity's dreams, and he has this power to kind of

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<v Speaker 1>hop in and out of dreams and even control them. Yeah, right,

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<v Speaker 1>really good show. Yeah, I'm a fan.

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<v Speaker 2>I think I know briann O Tarth. Isn't it places?

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<v Speaker 1>You're right? That's right for Game of Thrones fans. Really

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<v Speaker 1>good show. I think aren't they coming out with a

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<v Speaker 1>season two soon? I hope so?

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<v Speaker 2>I think it's on the I hope so. And the

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<v Speaker 2>serial killer guy with all the.

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<v Speaker 1>Good show, So we got this idea of someone who

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<v Speaker 1>could enter dreams, control humanity's dreams. Right, what about Have

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<v Speaker 1>you seen the Nick Cage movie called dream Scenario? I

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<v Speaker 1>love that movie. Yeah, so, Katie and I watched it.

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<v Speaker 1>It was fun. We had a good time with it.

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<v Speaker 2>Some cringey ass moments. So do you think that that

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<v Speaker 2>scene with the with the girl in the apartment.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh, cringey as far as making you uncomfortable? Yes, yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>not cringely bad?

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<v Speaker 2>Oh, I see it's so bad.

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<v Speaker 1>I agree.

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<v Speaker 2>He's about the cheat on his wife too, that's also bad.

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<v Speaker 1>But yes, so we watched it great. It's and actually

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<v Speaker 1>dream Scenario even makes a brief reference to this thing,

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<v Speaker 1>this entity this being that we're going to talk about tonight.

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<v Speaker 1>But basically, in the dream Scenario, Nicholas Cage, who I love,

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<v Speaker 1>whose life is turned upside down. He kind of has

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<v Speaker 1>suddenly millions of people all over the world starts seeing

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<v Speaker 1>them in their dreams. And Paul Matthews, he takes on

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<v Speaker 1>these different roles in people's dreams, from benevolent to violent

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<v Speaker 1>to sexy, just like you were saying when he was

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<v Speaker 1>with that girl cheat on his wife, that was a dream.

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<v Speaker 1>And just like with Lord Morpheus in the Sandman series,

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<v Speaker 1>dream Scenario is based around this really cool idea of

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<v Speaker 1>the dream surfer, a sentient being that possesses the power

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<v Speaker 1>to enter, move around, and effect, move around in and

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<v Speaker 1>affect people's dreams. And it's this fascinating idea of a

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<v Speaker 1>because there just might be a real dream surfer out

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<v Speaker 1>there right now, and he's known simply as this man,

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<v Speaker 1>this man, this man.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh, I know what we're doing.

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<v Speaker 1>Do you know what this is?

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<v Speaker 2>I think so. I mean, I don't know the details,

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<v Speaker 2>so I definitely want to hear more. Okay, but I

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<v Speaker 2>think I know what you're doing, all right.

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<v Speaker 1>Okay, Now, over the last decade or so, maybe you've

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<v Speaker 1>seen memes about this man, because for a long time

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<v Speaker 1>he was everywhere. It's this sketch of this very strange

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<v Speaker 1>looking man with black hair, black eyes, a receding hairline,

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<v Speaker 1>these huge, bushy eyebrows, and razor thin lips turned up

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<v Speaker 1>in this creepy little smile, with the words have you

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<v Speaker 1>seen this man? Or ever dream this man? Written across

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<v Speaker 1>the top. It looks almost like a wanted poster you'd

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<v Speaker 1>find state do a telephone pole or tacked up at

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<v Speaker 1>your local police station or post office or milk carton

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<v Speaker 1>or milk carton. Now listeners go to the show notes

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<v Speaker 1>to see what I'm talking about, because if you're not familiar,

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<v Speaker 1>you gotta check this this thing out. It's an image

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<v Speaker 1>that really resonates with people in strange ways. It's clearly

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<v Speaker 1>a human face, yet at the same time it's not,

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<v Speaker 1>And it's this slightly off kilter image of something that's

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<v Speaker 1>supposed to be human, but at the same time isn't

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<v Speaker 1>is what gives us this very uncomfortable feeling. Something called

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<v Speaker 1>uncanny valley. Now uncanny valley, it's a real psychological concept

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<v Speaker 1>that describes the feeling of unease or even revulsion we

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<v Speaker 1>humans experience when we see or interact with something that

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<v Speaker 1>is almost but not quite human. It's you see this

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<v Speaker 1>concept a lot when it comes to AI and the

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<v Speaker 1>AI robot scientists are developing ones that could almost perfectly

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<v Speaker 1>mimic human expression and human speech, but no matter how

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<v Speaker 1>hard scientists try, the result is never exactly human looking

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<v Speaker 1>or exactly human sounding, which really fucks with people. It's

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<v Speaker 1>like we have this deep rooted, subconscious revulsion to things

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<v Speaker 1>that try to mimic us humans. We instinctively don't trust

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<v Speaker 1>it and feel little empathy towards it. Pretty interesting stuff,

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<v Speaker 1>this uncanny valley. And I think uncanny valley also applies

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<v Speaker 1>to the sketch of this man. For whatever reason, deep down,

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<v Speaker 1>he just gives people the creeps.

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<v Speaker 2>I just saw the photo, So now that you see

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<v Speaker 2>that being a little creepy, especially if I just woke

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<v Speaker 2>up and I see it, I might be.

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<v Speaker 1>Like, it's in your dream. You just remember it from

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<v Speaker 1>your dream or something.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, that could be a little right, A little bit

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<v Speaker 2>like that. We did a show on this one internet,

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<v Speaker 2>a horror thing on YouTube with it was scrying kids. Uh,

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<v Speaker 2>I forget, I forget what it was you did here? Yeah? Yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>oh momo, yeah that momoye.

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<v Speaker 1>I remember that episode, the thank you I knew you

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<v Speaker 1>knew it.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 1>So when you saw this man's photo, do you remember?

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<v Speaker 1>Is that what you thought we were talking about?

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<v Speaker 2>Yes, but so what little I knew about it? I

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<v Speaker 2>hadn't actually seen a photo, So the wanted poster is

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<v Speaker 2>a little new to me. But I know this phenomenon, okay,

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<v Speaker 2>So like that's what I just heard about it. It's

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<v Speaker 2>not like again, I didn't read a book round or anything.

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<v Speaker 1>Got it? Okay? And how does it? So it is

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<v Speaker 1>a little creepy to you?

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I mean the photo itself, like by itself, Yes,

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<v Speaker 2>it's a little creepy. It does it both equal parts?

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<v Speaker 2>Seems computer generated or made up? And also it could

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<v Speaker 2>be a real person. Sorry I'm sorry, a pitiable person

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<v Speaker 2>maybe because I'm sorry you looked that way. But uh yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>but yes, you know also both I feel like a

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<v Speaker 2>little bit of both. And you were saying about the

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<v Speaker 2>Uncanny Valley aspect of little empathy and all that right too,

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<v Speaker 2>not real things right that are made to look like

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<v Speaker 2>something else. I feel like animals get through. There's a

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<v Speaker 2>lot too, like an equal footing. When you show them

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<v Speaker 2>a realistic looking but completely fake dog next to your dog,

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<v Speaker 2>they almost always get freak out. They almost always react.

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<v Speaker 1>They don't like it. No, I don't like it.

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<v Speaker 2>When you wear that cat mask and a humans walking

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<v Speaker 2>around wearing it, they get freaked out. You see videos

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<v Speaker 2>of them for funny and they freak out because they

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<v Speaker 2>understand it's wrong, like on a nature level. It's like

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<v Speaker 2>a nature level wrong. It's not just us. There's no

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<v Speaker 2>logic to it.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm going to research that. That's interesting.

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<v Speaker 2>It feels like there's no logic to it. It's just

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<v Speaker 2>it's just saying it's like just nature. We've seen like

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<v Speaker 2>we're trying to fight nature in this case.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, we've seen here with our cats. If there was

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<v Speaker 1>a stuffed animal of a cat, they attack it. They

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<v Speaker 1>don't like it, they avoid it.

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<v Speaker 2>Really you know, Yeah, that sounds right. Damn, that's true

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<v Speaker 2>with all of them. There's some weird cas I'm sure,

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<v Speaker 2>but like in general, when you wear something semi realistic

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<v Speaker 2>looking like that.

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<v Speaker 1>It fixed them out crazy and so this is the thing.

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<v Speaker 1>This is some deep rooted shit. Okay. So background and

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<v Speaker 1>any information on this man, it's pretty vague. A lot

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<v Speaker 1>of stories like this tend to have vague backgrounds, don't they. Well, yeah, Now,

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<v Speaker 1>in the case of this man, it's said that in

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<v Speaker 1>two thousand and six, a quote well known psychiatrist in

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<v Speaker 1>New York sketched the now infamous face based on a

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<v Speaker 1>description provided by one of his patients, with the patient

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<v Speaker 1>saying that this thing was haunting his dreams and that

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<v Speaker 1>the man in the sketch didn't even closely resemble anyone

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<v Speaker 1>the patient knew in the real world. Now, as the

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<v Speaker 1>story goes, this well known psychiatrist, who's never named by

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<v Speaker 1>the way, left his sketchbook open eyes his desk, and

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<v Speaker 1>a few days later, another patient sees the sketch of

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<v Speaker 1>this man and immediately freaks out, saying that he too

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<v Speaker 1>had been seeing the same man in his dreams uh huh,

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<v Speaker 1>and realizing that something strange was going on, the psychiatrist

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<v Speaker 1>passes his sketch to some of his colleagues, and sure enough,

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<v Speaker 1>many of their patients were also encountering this man in

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<v Speaker 1>their dreams too.

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<v Speaker 2>Is it like a visual infection? Interests, like a visual virus.

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<v Speaker 1>That's that I have a theory later because.

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<v Speaker 2>You know, because virus isn't bacteria that exist in so

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<v Speaker 2>many different levels from coughing, even noise can have a

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<v Speaker 2>sort of effect on you. Tonight is and stuff like that.

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<v Speaker 2>Sure frequencies we know that for sure has proven. Can

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<v Speaker 2>you do that visually? I wonder if that's what this is.

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<v Speaker 1>I bet you could. I think you could.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, I have one tonight, interesting or tomorrow.

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<v Speaker 1>Let us know if you do for sure.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm curious, but I don't want to.

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<v Speaker 1>I don't want well, there are two listeners. You know,

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<v Speaker 1>if you look at the photo in.

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<v Speaker 2>My Daily Waking life is not marsh enough.

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<v Speaker 1>Just ruined your own life with his story, right? If

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<v Speaker 1>you know, listeners see the photos in the show notes,

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<v Speaker 1>and something happens with you, you dream it or encounter it,

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<v Speaker 1>let us know, let us know, contact us.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, okay, continue to say so again.

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<v Speaker 1>The idea of this man is that he's some sort

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<v Speaker 1>of a dream surfer, someone or some thing that can

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<v Speaker 1>enter our dreams at will. And although thousands of people

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<v Speaker 1>from all over the world claim to encountered this man

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<v Speaker 1>in their dreams. To this day, no one's been able

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<v Speaker 1>to identify him in the real world as an actual

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<v Speaker 1>flesh and blood person. And possibly even more strange is

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<v Speaker 1>that descriptions of encounters with this man are all over

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<v Speaker 1>the place, kind of like Nicholas Cage's character in Dream Scenario.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, it should be sad that in that Dream Scenario film,

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<v Speaker 2>one hundred percent of all the encounters in people's people

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<v Speaker 2>he had in dreams with at first were just him

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<v Speaker 2>watching them, like him, not involved.

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<v Speaker 1>It was just that then it progressed.

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<v Speaker 2>Like no matter that the person was having a dream,

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<v Speaker 2>whatever that dream was, he was there just watching, even

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<v Speaker 2>casually observing, but not doing anything his nuttil later in

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<v Speaker 2>the movie spoiler that he becomes violent.

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<v Speaker 1>Got it. Okay, So this kind of, I guess is

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<v Speaker 1>similar because in the background a lot of people's dreams,

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<v Speaker 1>he's a background character, just like Paul Matthews Nicholas Cage

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<v Speaker 1>you just mentioned, kind of just standing there watching the

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<v Speaker 1>dreamer with those black eyes and that strange smile. But

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<v Speaker 1>then in other people's dreams they claim he's been sexual

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<v Speaker 1>with them. In other instances, he provides the dreamer with

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<v Speaker 1>cryptic advice. For example, a lot of stories say this

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<v Speaker 1>man instructs the dreamer to simply go north, while in

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<v Speaker 1>other dreams this man is violent, reportedly chasing down and

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<v Speaker 1>murdering people. And if you look at the sketch and

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<v Speaker 1>the image that this thing, and imagine this thing chasing

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<v Speaker 1>you down and overtaking you, dude. Yeah. Most accounts say

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<v Speaker 1>this man rarely speaks, except for the whole go north thing,

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<v Speaker 1>but when he does speak, no one can remember what

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<v Speaker 1>his voice sounds like, or even if he verbally speaks

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<v Speaker 1>at all. Some say he communicates telepathically. Now, of course,

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<v Speaker 1>people have been desperately trying to understand this man's intentions

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<v Speaker 1>and to understand why he behaves so differently encounter to encounter,

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<v Speaker 1>from benign to murderous. All we know is what he

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<v Speaker 1>looks like, and that thousands of people from all over

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<v Speaker 1>the world experience him in different, sometimes downright terrifying ways

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<v Speaker 1>when they dream. Where he comes from and what he

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<v Speaker 1>wants is anyone's guess. Of course, there's a lot of

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<v Speaker 1>theories about who or what this man is. One theory

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<v Speaker 1>is that this man is God. If you take it

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<v Speaker 1>that way, yes God, Yes, if you take the idea

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<v Speaker 1>that God is supposed to be the reflection of all

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<v Speaker 1>humankind and vice versa. And if you cut the sketch

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<v Speaker 1>of this man into four parts top, bottom, left, right,

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<v Speaker 1>like I've done for you guys in the show notes,

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<v Speaker 1>suddenly this man is many men or all men. If

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<v Speaker 1>you look at this man from the nose up, he's

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<v Speaker 1>clearly an old man. Look at the nose down, and

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<v Speaker 1>he's a young man. And if you separate the left

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<v Speaker 1>side of his face from the right side, he looks

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<v Speaker 1>like two completely different people. It really is like this

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<v Speaker 1>man is every man all rolled into one. Check the

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<v Speaker 1>show notes to see what I'm talking about. It's freaky.

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<v Speaker 2>It's not wrong, it's kind of freaky. Yeah, I'm looking

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<v Speaker 2>at it. I'm doing it right now, dividing with my hand.

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<v Speaker 1>You see that high line. So that's God, that's every man,

426
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<v Speaker 1>the reflection of God. Man is the reflection of God.

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<v Speaker 2>Right huh.

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<v Speaker 1>Of course that doesn't explain this man killing people or

429
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<v Speaker 1>having sex with them in their dreams. But it's a theory. Now,

430
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<v Speaker 1>another theory, and I really like this one, is that

431
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<v Speaker 1>this man is actually an archetype found in what Swiss

432
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<v Speaker 1>psychiatrist and psychoanalyst Carl Jung called the collective unconscious now

433
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<v Speaker 1>very briefly, According to Jung, the collective unconscious is a

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<v Speaker 1>part of our human psyche that contains information inherited from

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<v Speaker 1>our ancestors and shared by all humans. Jung believed that

436
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<v Speaker 1>experiences of a common past have made deep, permanent impressions

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<v Speaker 1>on the human mind, and that the collective unconscious contained archetypes,

438
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<v Speaker 1>these universal symbols or themes that are present in the

439
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<v Speaker 1>mythology and folklore of all cultures all over the globe.

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<v Speaker 1>Some examples of common archetypes found in the collector of

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<v Speaker 1>unconscious are the mother figure, seen as virginal and pure,

442
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<v Speaker 1>mothering and supportive, yet seductive, unpredictable, mysterious, and cruel. There's

443
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<v Speaker 1>the wise old man archetype, which symbolizes someone that possesses

444
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<v Speaker 1>great wisdom, knowledge and judgment. There's the water archetype, symbolizing life, cleansing, mystery,

445
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<v Speaker 1>and even death. And the tree of life archetype represents

446
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<v Speaker 1>the source of life, the cycle of life, harmony, balance.

447
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<v Speaker 1>Then there's the shadow archetype and the trickster archetype. Now,

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<v Speaker 1>the shadow archetype consists of our behavior, traits, that we

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<v Speaker 1>see as negative, and we tend to hide these shadow

450
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<v Speaker 1>archetypes from others because it's our source of stress and shame.

451
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<v Speaker 1>Our repressed ideas, weaknesses, wants, sexual desires, animal instincts, and

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<v Speaker 1>are perceived these are all found in the shadow archetype. Now,

453
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<v Speaker 1>the trickster archetype represents the irrational, chaotic, and unpredictable side

454
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<v Speaker 1>of our thoughts and behavior, as well as humanity's duality

455
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<v Speaker 1>are the fact that we're capable of greatness and evil,

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<v Speaker 1>of being virtuous and deceitful, of being able to love

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<v Speaker 1>and hate. So the theory is that this man is

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<v Speaker 1>actually a subconscious archetype personified likely the shadow or the trickster,

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<v Speaker 1>or a combination of the two. And I really like

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<v Speaker 1>this theory, the idea that there's something we're experiencing on

461
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<v Speaker 1>a subconscious level in our waking lives. Some problem or

462
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<v Speaker 1>issue is personified in our dreams as this man to

463
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<v Speaker 1>kind of help us deal with our issues. But at

464
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<v Speaker 1>the same time, uncanny Valley makes us weary and even

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<v Speaker 1>afraid of this man, so we're never able to fully

466
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<v Speaker 1>reconcile whatever's bothering us, like our subconscious is fighting itself

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<v Speaker 1>I think this is kind of really interesting theory and concept.

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<v Speaker 2>That is cool. It does remind me of something else

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<v Speaker 2>that will require and another animal example.

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<v Speaker 1>What is it?

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<v Speaker 2>But I think attracts a little bit. Have you ever

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<v Speaker 2>given or shown a pickle to a cat?

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<v Speaker 1>Not a pickle? But I think we've done because we

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<v Speaker 1>see if theyternet cucumbers, same thing. They hate them.

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<v Speaker 2>They hate them, you know why?

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<v Speaker 1>No, they think there are snakes subconscious.

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<v Speaker 2>So animals have this. Birds, for example, they grow up

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<v Speaker 2>when they leave the nest. They don't get instructions on

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<v Speaker 2>how to build a nest. They just know how to

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<v Speaker 2>do it from generations of birds. There you go, right,

481
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<v Speaker 2>you can use that same if I use that same

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<v Speaker 2>logic with humans. And obviously we're more much more complex

483
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<v Speaker 2>in many ways and self aware, not to mention, I

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<v Speaker 2>think that this could serve as a way that's collective unconsciousness.

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<v Speaker 2>It could be like genetic information passed down unbeknownst to

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<v Speaker 2>us in ways that we maybe don't understand. For example,

487
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<v Speaker 2>like the human eye. I read this somewhere. The human

488
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<v Speaker 2>eye can see more shades of green than any other

489
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<v Speaker 2>color because we evolved from primates and in the jungle

490
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<v Speaker 2>we had to discern those differences. We still have that

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<v Speaker 2>from so long ago. We still have that ability. It's

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<v Speaker 2>not like that's went away. It's not like we see

493
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<v Speaker 2>more red now, No, we see green the most. And

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<v Speaker 2>I think with that same logic you can apply it

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<v Speaker 2>to this man being well, what is it? That narrative

496
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<v Speaker 2>like answering that question is where you can go anywhere

497
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<v Speaker 2>to what you said, which could explain a lot of

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<v Speaker 2>where deitious lord, legend, folklore, especially if not religion, can

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<v Speaker 2>come from from whatever this person used to be, if

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<v Speaker 2>it was a person, right, you know, it's like that,

501
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<v Speaker 2>and that makes it feel like more very interesting, fucking weird. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>that could be cool. Right, So I like it. I

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<v Speaker 2>connecting that.

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<v Speaker 1>You're right, it does track. That's very interesting. This was

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<v Speaker 1>This was a fun one. Yeah, researching. Okay, good, good, good.

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<v Speaker 1>So you're into it so far? Yes, okay, Now how

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<v Speaker 1>about something called the dream imitation theory. Now, while I

508
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<v Speaker 1>like the theory about archetypes and the shadow and the trickster,

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<v Speaker 1>I think something called the dream imitation theory makes the

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<v Speaker 1>most sense when trying to describe what this man is. Now.

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<v Speaker 1>This theory is really simple. The dream imitation theory says

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<v Speaker 1>that people only dream about this man after hearing about

513
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<v Speaker 1>him and seeing his picture. That seeing his picture and

514
00:28:35.799 --> 00:28:40.440
<v Speaker 1>hearing his story leaves an imprint in people's subconscious, probably

515
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<v Speaker 1>due to uncanny Valley, and that image is then expressed

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<v Speaker 1>in dreams. I'm sure we've all had this happen one

517
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<v Speaker 1>time or another, where maybe we see something on TV

518
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<v Speaker 1>right before we fall asleep and bam, it's in our

519
00:28:51.920 --> 00:28:55.279
<v Speaker 1>dream that night. Right, to me, this theory makes the

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<v Speaker 1>most sense, kind of like the virus or what you

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<v Speaker 1>were saying earlier, I get a dream this tonight right

522
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<v Speaker 1>because we talked about it same thing here. I think

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<v Speaker 1>that makes the most sense.

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<v Speaker 2>Also, I feel like maybe what goes in hand in

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<v Speaker 2>hand with that that could support this theory is that

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<v Speaker 2>maybe because of the simplicity and yet uniqueness of the sketch,

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<v Speaker 2>that upon hearing the story, maybe not so much the story,

528
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<v Speaker 2>but watching or looking at the picture, it is it

529
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<v Speaker 2>makes a veritable imprint into your mind more than any

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<v Speaker 2>other random thing like the poster behind your head, or

531
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<v Speaker 2>your bottles or booze on that wall, because it isn't familiar,

532
00:29:36.039 --> 00:29:39.079
<v Speaker 2>right right, and it it imprints it fatter. It makes

533
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<v Speaker 2>it easier for people to recollect it in a dream

534
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<v Speaker 2>the day after, the night the night of, or a

535
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<v Speaker 2>week later, and therefore report it or talk about it,

536
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<v Speaker 2>and it becomes like snowballs itself and two lore that

537
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<v Speaker 2>we're here today.

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<v Speaker 1>Interesting talking about it. Yeah, yeah, maybe who knows? No,

539
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<v Speaker 1>you're good, that's right now. Over the years, of course,

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<v Speaker 1>people have searched our world, the real world, for inspiration

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<v Speaker 1>behind this man, like the actual flush and flesh and

542
00:30:15.039 --> 00:30:19.319
<v Speaker 1>blood person that inspired this man. As it turns out,

543
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<v Speaker 1>there are people out there who just might be the

544
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<v Speaker 1>inspiration behind this man, and actually quite a few, and

545
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<v Speaker 1>I've chosen four four people who this might be. Again,

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<v Speaker 1>check the show notes, because I've created images comparing this

547
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<v Speaker 1>man to each of the people we're going to talk about.

548
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<v Speaker 1>Actually it's three people and an object. You'll see what

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<v Speaker 1>I mean. Anyway, check out the photos. All right, So

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<v Speaker 1>the first one Carl Sagan. Okay, Carl Sagan. One possible

551
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<v Speaker 1>culprit is world famous astronomer, astrophysicist, and science communicator, the

552
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<v Speaker 1>late doctor Carl Sagan. Now, in case you don't know,

553
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<v Speaker 1>at one point, doctor Sagan was the most well known

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<v Speaker 1>scientist in the country, if not the world before Neil

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<v Speaker 1>deGrasse Tyson.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, he Keep Your Herd Out one of those books.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, yeah, I did too, I did too, And he's

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<v Speaker 1>probably Sagan is probably most famous for his research and

559
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<v Speaker 1>the possibility of extraterrestrial life and for a thirteen part

560
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<v Speaker 1>television series he did in the eighties called Cosmos a

561
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<v Speaker 1>Personal Voyage, which has been viewed by almost half a

562
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<v Speaker 1>billion people worldwide. Just massive reach. Actually, there's so much

563
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<v Speaker 1>to talk about regarding Sagan's work and his contributions to

564
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<v Speaker 1>science and the search for aliens that we just don't

565
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<v Speaker 1>have time to even put a dent. But unfortunately, it's

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00:31:45.599 --> 00:31:50.599
<v Speaker 1>Sagan's eyebrows, his receding hairline, and big forehead that make

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<v Speaker 1>him this man suspect. And when you put the two

568
00:31:54.359 --> 00:31:58.400
<v Speaker 1>side by side, you can really see a resemblance. And

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<v Speaker 1>what I really like about the car Sagan is this

570
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<v Speaker 1>man theory is that doctor Sagan was so whimsical, his

571
00:32:05.279 --> 00:32:08.759
<v Speaker 1>theories so out there, and his contributions to the search

572
00:32:08.799 --> 00:32:11.880
<v Speaker 1>for et life were so vast. Wouldn't it just be

573
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<v Speaker 1>perfect if he somehow lived on as this man.

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<v Speaker 2>Also could be perfect that an alien would choosing I'm

575
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<v Speaker 2>like amalgamation of the human that's closest to understanding or

576
00:32:25.400 --> 00:32:29.240
<v Speaker 2>looking for them to like imparent their nature unto us,

577
00:32:29.440 --> 00:32:31.559
<v Speaker 2>because it's so weird an alien exactly.

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<v Speaker 1>The other thing that the whole alien aspect with Sagan

579
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<v Speaker 1>think of him. Not that he necessarily talked about men

580
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<v Speaker 1>in black, but a lot of encounters people have with

581
00:32:41.279 --> 00:32:44.680
<v Speaker 1>men in black. Supposedly, you know, they're like, they look

582
00:32:44.799 --> 00:32:47.599
<v Speaker 1>like the man, the man, but something was just off,

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<v Speaker 1>maybe very uncomfortable.

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<v Speaker 2>Okay.

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<v Speaker 1>They just didn't act the same way we would act.

586
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<v Speaker 1>They didn't dress the same way we would dress. Their

587
00:32:54.480 --> 00:32:57.960
<v Speaker 1>facial expressions didn't match how ours what ours would do?

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<v Speaker 1>You know, That's what it reminds me. I just go.

589
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<v Speaker 1>Here's another possible suspect. Rich and famous for his work

590
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<v Speaker 1>on the Broadway plays Cats, Jesus Christ, superstar Avedra Joseph,

591
00:33:11.839 --> 00:33:14.839
<v Speaker 1>an amazing technicolor dream coat fan of the opera in

592
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<v Speaker 1>School of Rock. Sir Andrew Lloyd Webber is also famous

593
00:33:19.599 --> 00:33:24.960
<v Speaker 1>for possibly being the inspiration behind this man. Really now,

594
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<v Speaker 1>I'm sorry, but Sir Andrew Lloyd Rubber is a really

595
00:33:29.519 --> 00:33:32.480
<v Speaker 1>odd looking dude. Just go to the show notes with

596
00:33:32.519 --> 00:33:37.039
<v Speaker 1>his weird lips, bushy eyebrows, high forehead more like a

597
00:33:37.079 --> 00:33:41.279
<v Speaker 1>five head, and his receding hairline. When I put his

598
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<v Speaker 1>photo next to the sketch of this man, the resemblance

599
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<v Speaker 1>literally gave me the chills. Check the show notes you'll

600
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<v Speaker 1>see what I mean. I do not want to have

601
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<v Speaker 1>a dream starring Sir Andrew Lloyd rubber running and hunting

602
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<v Speaker 1>me down. No, thank you, very scary.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, you're an active dreamer, you can play back, no problem.

604
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<v Speaker 1>I am a lucid dreamer. Lucid I could I could

605
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<v Speaker 1>control it, to wake up from it on my command.

606
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<v Speaker 1>If I don't like the way it's going, I could

607
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<v Speaker 1>say I can do that sometimes change it. Yep, yep,

608
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<v Speaker 1>that's always I've always been. Yeah. Now, next we have

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<v Speaker 1>Michael J. Anderson. Do you know what that is? No,

610
00:34:22.599 --> 00:34:25.719
<v Speaker 1>it sounds though, okay, who's best known for his role

611
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<v Speaker 1>as the Man from Another Place in David Lynch's awesome

612
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<v Speaker 1>television series Twin Peaks and from the movie Twin Peaks

613
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<v Speaker 1>Fire Walk with Me.

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<v Speaker 2>I mean, I've seen all that's one of my favorite shows.

615
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<v Speaker 1>Both from the early nineties. Right, Yeah, loved it. The

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<v Speaker 1>Man from Another Place is that tiny character that lived

617
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<v Speaker 1>in the Black Lodge. He dressed in the red suit.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh yeah, yeah, that's yes, and from another.

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<v Speaker 2>Places and who very creepily words out of all these

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<v Speaker 2>people so far him, I can immediately envision check as

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<v Speaker 2>he talks backwards. Yes, well forward, but it's like we

622
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<v Speaker 2>recorded backwards and said forward. It's like one of those

623
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<v Speaker 2>weird effects.

624
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<v Speaker 1>The actor isn't talking backwards.

625
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<v Speaker 2>Well, he does talk backwards in reality, but then they

626
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<v Speaker 2>play that forward and that's why it sounds so weird.

627
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<v Speaker 1>That's how they did it.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, it's like some weird trick where they it's either

629
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<v Speaker 2>said backwards and played forward, which I don't think so,

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<v Speaker 2>I think it's said backwards and played words or whatever.

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<v Speaker 1>I just remember he was like, yeah, that's why I

632
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<v Speaker 1>was like, I would get the goosebumps every time he talked.

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<v Speaker 1>That's Michael Anderson. So if I guess, if you know,

634
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<v Speaker 1>you know right kids, ask your parents right now. Michael Anderson.

635
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<v Speaker 1>He was born with a genetic disorder called osteogenesis imperfecta,

636
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<v Speaker 1>a disease that leads to frequent breaks and long bones

637
00:35:45.599 --> 00:35:49.239
<v Speaker 1>and improper healing, which ultimately left Michael with the shortened

638
00:35:49.280 --> 00:35:53.199
<v Speaker 1>stature of only three feet seven inches three feet seven inches.

639
00:35:54.360 --> 00:35:58.559
<v Speaker 1>His short stature and misshapen head lent a heavy creep

640
00:35:58.599 --> 00:36:02.000
<v Speaker 1>factor to his Twin Peaks character, and if you compare

641
00:36:02.039 --> 00:36:04.800
<v Speaker 1>his photo to the sketch of this man, there is

642
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<v Speaker 1>a resemblance. And Michael J. Anderson is often credited as

643
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<v Speaker 1>being the inspiration behind this man.

644
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<v Speaker 2>And he's obviously super famous among a lot of things.

645
00:36:14.440 --> 00:36:16.800
<v Speaker 2>He's done a lot of movies, especially with David Lynch,

646
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<v Speaker 2>but arguably his most famous thing is that he appears

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<v Speaker 2>in in an FBI agent's dream. Oh twin p I'm

648
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<v Speaker 2>saying he's famous for appearing in dreams. You know what

649
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<v Speaker 2>I'm saying.

650
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<v Speaker 1>Good point. Yeah, I didn't, I didn't write you just describe.

651
00:36:31.760 --> 00:36:33.519
<v Speaker 2>That scene while he's talking backward. That's the dream. That

652
00:36:33.800 --> 00:36:34.960
<v Speaker 2>agent was his name.

653
00:36:35.440 --> 00:36:37.239
<v Speaker 1>Oh god, he's gonna kill me.

654
00:36:38.519 --> 00:36:41.960
<v Speaker 2>Damn coffee fuck whatever, his famous whatever.

655
00:36:41.880 --> 00:36:44.239
<v Speaker 1>No, great point, he's in the dream. So yeah, a

656
00:36:44.320 --> 00:36:47.239
<v Speaker 1>lot of people credit him with being So that's just

657
00:36:47.280 --> 00:36:49.840
<v Speaker 1>one more peg for Michael J. Anderson. Yeah, he appears

658
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<v Speaker 1>in people's dreams.

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<v Speaker 2>Okay, finally, as far next to Robert England for appearance, Well.

660
00:36:56.119 --> 00:36:58.119
<v Speaker 1>There's some Freddie esque to this to ask, you know,

661
00:36:58.599 --> 00:37:02.679
<v Speaker 1>not he's violent, but the final one, It's not a human.

662
00:37:04.480 --> 00:37:06.760
<v Speaker 1>I like it because it plays heavily with this idea

663
00:37:06.800 --> 00:37:10.679
<v Speaker 1>of uncanny uncanny Valley, where we as humans are again

664
00:37:10.960 --> 00:37:14.480
<v Speaker 1>subconsciously programmed to be leery of things that are made

665
00:37:14.480 --> 00:37:17.800
<v Speaker 1>to look human. And what better example than an old

666
00:37:17.840 --> 00:37:23.239
<v Speaker 1>school ventriloquist dummy. Oh now, This particular dummy was featured

667
00:37:23.280 --> 00:37:27.719
<v Speaker 1>in two Twilight Zone episodes, one titled The Dummy from

668
00:37:27.800 --> 00:37:31.559
<v Speaker 1>nineteen sixty two, where the dummy was named Willie, and

669
00:37:31.599 --> 00:37:35.079
<v Speaker 1>another episode called Caesar in Me from nineteen sixty four,

670
00:37:35.639 --> 00:37:39.280
<v Speaker 1>where the dummy was named well, Caesar. Now, even though

671
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<v Speaker 1>both episodes have different plots, there is a common thread

672
00:37:42.719 --> 00:37:45.920
<v Speaker 1>of the dummy having free will, and in both episodes

673
00:37:45.920 --> 00:37:50.320
<v Speaker 1>it torments and manipulates the ventriloquist in different frightening ways.

674
00:37:50.480 --> 00:37:52.280
<v Speaker 2>Oh so it's a bitch, it's an asshole.

675
00:37:53.199 --> 00:37:57.000
<v Speaker 1>Yes, now, I rewatched both of these episodes before I

676
00:37:57.199 --> 00:38:00.000
<v Speaker 1>scripted this episode, and they're they're awesome. They're so good

677
00:38:00.159 --> 00:38:05.360
<v Speaker 1>for their time. I I mean no other you can't incomparable.

678
00:38:05.440 --> 00:38:10.119
<v Speaker 1>Rod Serling fantastic, Highly recommend both episodes. Check them out anyway.

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<v Speaker 1>If you look at the image I left from the

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<v Speaker 1>show notes, there are a lot of similarities between this

681
00:38:14.519 --> 00:38:18.880
<v Speaker 1>man and the Twilight Zone Dummy, and you add that creepy,

682
00:38:19.000 --> 00:38:22.760
<v Speaker 1>uncanny Valley factor, and considering this dummy is famous and

683
00:38:22.800 --> 00:38:26.920
<v Speaker 1>it's old, it predates the games of this man, I

684
00:38:26.960 --> 00:38:30.880
<v Speaker 1>think this very well could be the real inspiration behind

685
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<v Speaker 1>this Man. Listeners, check the show notes. Let us know

686
00:38:34.320 --> 00:38:37.960
<v Speaker 1>what you think. Contact at Chicago Ghost podcast dot com.

687
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<v Speaker 1>And just so you know, the dummy, the Twilight Zone

688
00:38:41.079 --> 00:38:44.440
<v Speaker 1>Dummy is alive and well and living in David Copperfield's

689
00:38:44.480 --> 00:38:50.800
<v Speaker 1>International Museum of Library of the Conjuring Arts in Las Vegas.

690
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<v Speaker 1>International Museum and Library of the Conjuring Arts in Las Vegas.

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<v Speaker 2>The National Library of Pithy Titles dot com.

692
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<v Speaker 1>So the dummy still exists now. Alas as intriguing as

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<v Speaker 1>the story is, this man might be nothing more than

694
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<v Speaker 1>a well orchestrated hoax. You see, in two thousand and eight,

695
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<v Speaker 1>an Italian sociologist and marketer named Andrea.

696
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<v Speaker 2>You're like marker like? I heard that word in italics?

697
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<v Speaker 1>Have it in italics right now? Marketer of his name

698
00:39:32.239 --> 00:39:36.840
<v Speaker 1>was Andrea Natella. He created a website called Thisman dot org.

699
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<v Speaker 1>And it's this website that gave us the story of

700
00:39:40.280 --> 00:39:44.599
<v Speaker 1>the unnamed, well known psychiatrist from New York and how

701
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<v Speaker 1>he created the famous sketch based off his patrons description

702
00:39:48.840 --> 00:39:51.440
<v Speaker 1>it's all on this website, and it's this website that

703
00:39:51.519 --> 00:39:55.239
<v Speaker 1>described how this man looks and how he acts. And

704
00:39:55.320 --> 00:39:58.760
<v Speaker 1>after this man went viral, Natella opened up and admitted

705
00:39:58.760 --> 00:40:01.599
<v Speaker 1>he made the whole thing up at a gorilla marketing

706
00:40:01.639 --> 00:40:05.000
<v Speaker 1>campaign to explore the power of the Internet's ability to

707
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<v Speaker 1>create and spread urban legends and collective myths.

708
00:40:09.039 --> 00:40:10.400
<v Speaker 2>So like creepypasta stuff.

709
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<v Speaker 1>Yes, Natella even admitted that the sketch of this man

710
00:40:14.559 --> 00:40:17.679
<v Speaker 1>was based off a photograph he had his own father

711
00:40:17.800 --> 00:40:21.920
<v Speaker 1>when his father was a young man. And for whatever reason,

712
00:40:22.079 --> 00:40:25.880
<v Speaker 1>just like with Creepy Pasta and slender Man, the image

713
00:40:25.880 --> 00:40:28.800
<v Speaker 1>of this man resonates with people on this deep level.

714
00:40:29.480 --> 00:40:31.679
<v Speaker 1>And from there, the Internet did what it does best.

715
00:40:32.199 --> 00:40:37.719
<v Speaker 1>It commandeered Natella's creation, pure fiction given a massive boost

716
00:40:38.159 --> 00:40:43.760
<v Speaker 1>by the Internet, nothing more, nothing less. Or maybe this

717
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<v Speaker 1>man really is a dream surfer and what happened with

718
00:40:47.760 --> 00:40:51.880
<v Speaker 1>Natella was reverse dream imitation theory. In other words, this

719
00:40:51.960 --> 00:40:56.039
<v Speaker 1>man entered Natella's dreams, which in turn inspired Natella to

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<v Speaker 1>create the website and the image and the story which

721
00:40:59.519 --> 00:41:03.679
<v Speaker 1>brought this man to the masses, and now he's everywhere.

722
00:41:04.119 --> 00:41:07.880
<v Speaker 1>He's real, and people all over the world are experiencing

723
00:41:07.960 --> 00:41:13.199
<v Speaker 1>him at their most vulnerable time while they're asleep. And

724
00:41:13.280 --> 00:41:16.960
<v Speaker 1>maybe this man is out there right now surfing Young's

725
00:41:17.000 --> 00:41:20.920
<v Speaker 1>collective unconscious, waiting for the next person to fall asleep.

726
00:41:23.800 --> 00:41:28.840
<v Speaker 1>All right, this man and that's this this is this is.

727
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<v Speaker 1>I like this one. I like this one. I like

728
00:41:31.239 --> 00:41:33.840
<v Speaker 1>the concept of a dream surfer. I like the concept

729
00:41:33.880 --> 00:41:37.880
<v Speaker 1>of this common theme that people have all over the

730
00:41:37.880 --> 00:41:42.719
<v Speaker 1>world at their most vulnerable time, and are experiencing this

731
00:41:42.800 --> 00:41:45.760
<v Speaker 1>common theme at their most vulnerable time while they're asleep.

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<v Speaker 1>I just love that idea.

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<v Speaker 2>It is no, it is cool, it's nifty. It is

734
00:41:50.920 --> 00:41:55.800
<v Speaker 2>Freddy Krueger ask in some way. If anything, it's limiting

735
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<v Speaker 2>for Fredday Krueger. I feel like he's thinking too small.

736
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<v Speaker 2>These kids on Illmon Street.

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<v Speaker 1>You go for it.

738
00:42:00.719 --> 00:42:03.599
<v Speaker 2>You can expand yourself world. Why to fucking throw We

739
00:42:03.639 --> 00:42:05.960
<v Speaker 2>need some marketing. You need Nuttle over there to do

740
00:42:06.039 --> 00:42:08.159
<v Speaker 2>it for you. Yeah, I was.

741
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<v Speaker 1>Like, was his name Nutella? Right?

742
00:42:13.920 --> 00:42:16.719
<v Speaker 2>Yeah? No, it's it's cool. It reminds me also, well,

743
00:42:16.760 --> 00:42:18.519
<v Speaker 2>the other thing we talked about so far, which is

744
00:42:18.559 --> 00:42:21.000
<v Speaker 2>much closer to what I'm about to say, there is this.

745
00:42:22.280 --> 00:42:24.840
<v Speaker 2>I mean, the nine n Stream movies are dumb, but

746
00:42:24.880 --> 00:42:27.639
<v Speaker 2>they're really cool in concept and the way it can

747
00:42:27.679 --> 00:42:31.800
<v Speaker 2>be funny and horrifying, the way dreams can go crazy.

748
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<v Speaker 2>But one of those things is that in the sixth

749
00:42:34.719 --> 00:42:40.360
<v Speaker 2>movie I want to say, Uh, Freddy, is that there's

750
00:42:40.400 --> 00:42:44.199
<v Speaker 2>a whole aspect to it where there are these like

751
00:42:45.000 --> 00:42:49.800
<v Speaker 2>weird demons of a sorts that are like, they give

752
00:42:49.920 --> 00:42:53.679
<v Speaker 2>Freddy Krueger demons. Yes, they give created Freddy Krueger's powers.

753
00:42:53.719 --> 00:42:57.000
<v Speaker 2>And these demons could be very easily be personified to

754
00:42:57.039 --> 00:43:04.400
<v Speaker 2>be like that Netflix show Just Sandman. That could be

755
00:43:04.519 --> 00:43:07.719
<v Speaker 2>more Morpheus, or it could be the dream God or

756
00:43:08.079 --> 00:43:11.320
<v Speaker 2>you know, a night like It feels like it could

757
00:43:11.320 --> 00:43:13.320
<v Speaker 2>be an amalgamation of that, or one of his foot

758
00:43:13.320 --> 00:43:18.840
<v Speaker 2>soldiers gives Daku the power to antro dreams as a

759
00:43:18.880 --> 00:43:21.400
<v Speaker 2>gatekeeper of sorts. Now, the movie doesn't try to make

760
00:43:21.440 --> 00:43:24.559
<v Speaker 2>sense out of it. It's really dumb, but it's but

761
00:43:24.880 --> 00:43:30.039
<v Speaker 2>it's like another angle to something that we will never

762
00:43:31.719 --> 00:43:35.280
<v Speaker 2>I shouldn't say never, but never really understand because dreams

763
00:43:35.280 --> 00:43:38.760
<v Speaker 2>are so like infallible, like they're just they're there and

764
00:43:38.800 --> 00:43:40.679
<v Speaker 2>you can never grab them. It's like water trying to

765
00:43:40.679 --> 00:43:44.320
<v Speaker 2>grab water, you know. So like it's it's it's almost

766
00:43:44.360 --> 00:43:49.480
<v Speaker 2>like uh uh, it's proof that's evident proof or whatever,

767
00:43:50.119 --> 00:43:52.519
<v Speaker 2>tamper proof whatever, like you can't poke holds in it

768
00:43:52.519 --> 00:43:55.559
<v Speaker 2>because it doesn't exist. Like it's so it's so weird

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00:43:56.199 --> 00:43:57.599
<v Speaker 2>and it makes it cool. That's my point. It makes

770
00:43:57.599 --> 00:43:59.599
<v Speaker 2>it cool. It makes it. It just makes it adds

771
00:43:59.599 --> 00:44:01.320
<v Speaker 2>a layer. And in that movie they were just doing

772
00:44:01.320 --> 00:44:05.440
<v Speaker 2>it to be fun. I remember he still though, Yeah,

773
00:44:05.519 --> 00:44:08.639
<v Speaker 2>my god, I remember those glasses, but it was still

774
00:44:08.679 --> 00:44:10.960
<v Speaker 2>an added layer. And I thought it was cool thinking

775
00:44:10.960 --> 00:44:14.320
<v Speaker 2>about not in sense of Freddy Kruger, but in just

776
00:44:14.360 --> 00:44:16.840
<v Speaker 2>other ways. And it was cool. I liked that. It

777
00:44:16.840 --> 00:44:18.880
<v Speaker 2>reminds me of Samman and this story.

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00:44:19.000 --> 00:44:22.880
<v Speaker 1>It's interesting and they could take on other shapes o

779
00:44:22.960 --> 00:44:23.800
<v Speaker 1>their forms.

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00:44:24.119 --> 00:44:30.679
<v Speaker 2>Yeah maybe, yeah right, I love it. So you like

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<v Speaker 2>I do good one.

782
00:44:32.360 --> 00:44:34.920
<v Speaker 1>I hope listeners liked it. Yeah, it feels like it

783
00:44:34.960 --> 00:44:35.639
<v Speaker 1>was a shorter one.

784
00:44:35.679 --> 00:44:37.360
<v Speaker 2>But that's okay. I'm okay with Oh yeah, no, I'm

785
00:44:37.360 --> 00:44:41.159
<v Speaker 2>okay with that too. I do something if you want,

786
00:44:41.760 --> 00:44:45.960
<v Speaker 2>we don't have to. I do not often, but I

787
00:44:46.000 --> 00:44:48.599
<v Speaker 2>occasionally viably dream. I don't have control on my dreams,

788
00:44:48.599 --> 00:44:51.280
<v Speaker 2>but I do dream. Almost every time I dream is

789
00:44:51.320 --> 00:44:54.920
<v Speaker 2>something very bizarre. By very bizarre, I just mean it's

790
00:44:55.079 --> 00:44:59.400
<v Speaker 2>rarely anything bland or boring at least the ones I remember.

791
00:45:00.039 --> 00:45:01.559
<v Speaker 2>And what I try to do is as soon as

792
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<v Speaker 2>I wake up, I do my very most to write

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00:45:03.760 --> 00:45:04.519
<v Speaker 2>it down.

794
00:45:05.159 --> 00:45:06.119
<v Speaker 1>Do you remember we did this?

795
00:45:06.360 --> 00:45:08.400
<v Speaker 2>Yeah? We did this before we do this for Patreon?

796
00:45:08.880 --> 00:45:09.679
<v Speaker 2>Was it for Patreon?

797
00:45:09.760 --> 00:45:12.840
<v Speaker 1>Where we we we kept dream journals? Oh?

798
00:45:12.880 --> 00:45:13.159
<v Speaker 2>Really?

799
00:45:13.239 --> 00:45:15.639
<v Speaker 1>And then we talked about it and we went into

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<v Speaker 1>depth about dreaming, and yes we did. And then we

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<v Speaker 1>at the very maybe we.

802
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<v Speaker 2>Could we do that show or something.

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00:45:21.599 --> 00:45:22.920
<v Speaker 1>I would love to do that again. That was a

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00:45:22.960 --> 00:45:23.400
<v Speaker 1>lot of fun.

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00:45:23.599 --> 00:45:25.519
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, it was a lot of fun. I'm pretty sure

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00:45:25.519 --> 00:45:26.639
<v Speaker 2>I still have those old ones.

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00:45:26.880 --> 00:45:28.159
<v Speaker 1>I still have it.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh you still have it's even better? Well, then, maybe

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<v Speaker 2>I shouldn't say I was going to offer a weird

810
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<v Speaker 2>dream that I had that has nothing to do with this. Oh,

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<v Speaker 2>I don't dream. I don't dream of a man yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>or anything man ride with the thin lips and ship. No,

813
00:45:42.360 --> 00:45:46.519
<v Speaker 2>I didn't dream that, But but I've had a weird ones. No,

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<v Speaker 2>I will save it. That's even better in case we

815
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<v Speaker 2>do a dream episode, because I write a lot like

816
00:45:51.280 --> 00:45:51.840
<v Speaker 2>this is a lot.

817
00:45:52.639 --> 00:45:54.199
<v Speaker 1>Oh well so it's a lot.

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<v Speaker 2>So no, I'll save it. That's cool. Thank you reminding me.

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<v Speaker 2>I was gonna say, were talking about dreams, I could

820
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<v Speaker 2>offer a weird dream, but I could offer right next

821
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<v Speaker 2>we in a better, more thematic thing.

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00:46:03.480 --> 00:46:05.960
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, for that Patreon episode, it's been it's been a while.

823
00:46:06.599 --> 00:46:08.800
<v Speaker 1>It might have been during COVID or pre COVID. Anyway,

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<v Speaker 1>we journaled for about a week. I'd wake up and

825
00:46:13.760 --> 00:46:15.280
<v Speaker 1>just jot down whatever the hell, and it was some

826
00:46:15.360 --> 00:46:20.119
<v Speaker 1>weird STU it was. Yeah, it was interesting. Yeah, Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>that was fun. We got in a different type of

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<v Speaker 1>dreams and interpretations of common themes and dreams.

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<v Speaker 2>I think, let see Raven wasn't that one.

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00:46:27.440 --> 00:46:30.920
<v Speaker 1>I think she was? Yeah? Yeah, okay, cool, So maybe

831
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<v Speaker 1>we should revisit that.

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00:46:32.039 --> 00:46:32.760
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, that'd be fun.

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00:46:33.639 --> 00:46:36.360
<v Speaker 1>Cool. Well, I'm glad you liked it, listeners, I hope

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<v Speaker 1>you liked it. If you have any feedback, contact at

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<v Speaker 1>Chicago Ghost podcast dot com ghost or call eight seven

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<v Speaker 1>to two five two nine zero seven six seven oscar

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<v Speaker 1>take us home.

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<v Speaker 2>Don't use that number, okay, are you spaghetti.

839
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<v Speaker 1>Sounds good? Does that mean? Yes? I found out food

840
00:47:37.119 --> 00:47:42.400
<v Speaker 1>and like it's like a It's literally like a drug

841
00:47:42.519 --> 00:47:42.719
<v Speaker 1>for me.

842
00:47:43.159 --> 00:47:45.800
<v Speaker 2>Food is like, oh, I say, as a coping thing

843
00:47:45.960 --> 00:47:46.559
<v Speaker 2>or something like that.

844
00:47:47.119 --> 00:47:50.440
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I mean changing making these changes that I have

845
00:47:50.599 --> 00:47:56.280
<v Speaker 1>in my life, it affects you like I would imagine.

846
00:47:56.360 --> 00:47:59.199
<v Speaker 1>I've never withdrawn from drugs. I've never withdrawn from alcohol,

847
00:48:00.320 --> 00:48:03.400
<v Speaker 1>never been an addict, but I would imagine that's what

848
00:48:03.599 --> 00:48:08.519
<v Speaker 1>addicts go through with the wild mood swings, the anger,

849
00:48:08.840 --> 00:48:15.039
<v Speaker 1>the sadness, the manic happiness, the it's crazy. It's fucking food.

850
00:48:15.880 --> 00:48:20.159
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I mean also is I mean sugar is a

851
00:48:20.239 --> 00:48:25.920
<v Speaker 2>huge one component and food for the addicting essence, especially processed.

852
00:48:25.960 --> 00:48:28.239
<v Speaker 2>If you can't imagine, I mean, I can't imagine.

853
00:48:28.199 --> 00:48:30.760
<v Speaker 1>You'll have to ship we here is outlawed in other countries,

854
00:48:31.039 --> 00:48:35.119
<v Speaker 1>like you won't find it in Europe. You know, it's

855
00:48:35.119 --> 00:48:37.599
<v Speaker 1>been really hard. That's when you said like spaghetti, I'm

856
00:48:37.599 --> 00:48:43.000
<v Speaker 1>like fucking spaghetti. What I'm trying to think? Man?

857
00:48:43.320 --> 00:48:45.840
<v Speaker 2>I also saw the have you ever heard of twin films?

858
00:48:46.960 --> 00:48:49.400
<v Speaker 2>Twin films is like a phenomenon that happens in Hollywood.

859
00:48:50.400 --> 00:48:54.800
<v Speaker 2>Doante's peak? Uh, there you go Doante's Peak volcano and

860
00:48:54.880 --> 00:48:58.880
<v Speaker 2>then Deep Impact Andaghetti. Yeah, those are the classic ones.

861
00:48:59.159 --> 00:49:00.760
<v Speaker 2>There's a new there's a this one that just came

862
00:49:00.800 --> 00:49:03.880
<v Speaker 2>out a few months ago. The first Omen and Immaculate.

863
00:49:04.400 --> 00:49:06.960
<v Speaker 1>Oh okay, first Omen. Loved it, loved it.

864
00:49:07.119 --> 00:49:07.519
<v Speaker 2>It was fun.

865
00:49:07.599 --> 00:49:08.159
<v Speaker 1>Thought it was great.

866
00:49:08.280 --> 00:49:09.960
<v Speaker 2>I thought it was fun. Yes, and it was a

867
00:49:10.000 --> 00:49:11.800
<v Speaker 2>great way, great twist on the prequel. It was that

868
00:49:11.960 --> 00:49:16.480
<v Speaker 2>kind of cool. So Immaculated very similar vibes. Both take

869
00:49:16.519 --> 00:49:19.400
<v Speaker 2>place in Italy or something both about a nun about

870
00:49:19.519 --> 00:49:23.199
<v Speaker 2>non being pregnant. Also her attractiveness or being attractive is

871
00:49:23.239 --> 00:49:26.039
<v Speaker 2>part of the thing, and it's about a weird convent

872
00:49:26.159 --> 00:49:28.320
<v Speaker 2>where they do shady shit. It's very similar vibes. They're

873
00:49:28.320 --> 00:49:30.239
<v Speaker 2>twin films for sure, and they came out within a

874
00:49:30.280 --> 00:49:30.800
<v Speaker 2>month of each other.

875
00:49:30.840 --> 00:49:32.360
<v Speaker 1>Because so I haven't seen that one.

876
00:49:32.639 --> 00:49:35.320
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I liked Immaculate, did you. I didn't love it,

877
00:49:35.440 --> 00:49:35.880
<v Speaker 2>but I love it.

878
00:49:36.119 --> 00:49:39.000
<v Speaker 1>I heard the ending was lacking, wanting more sort of thing.

879
00:49:39.320 --> 00:49:39.599
<v Speaker 1>I don't know.

880
00:49:39.639 --> 00:49:41.360
<v Speaker 2>I feel like a lot of moves to that. I

881
00:49:41.400 --> 00:49:42.760
<v Speaker 2>don't know. I guess it didn't bother me.

882
00:49:43.880 --> 00:49:47.119
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, yeah, I haven't seen it. Liked Domen. That's why

883
00:49:47.119 --> 00:49:48.679
<v Speaker 1>I heard about a maculate. So I didn't. I haven't

884
00:49:48.719 --> 00:49:50.719
<v Speaker 1>watched it, but maybe i'll check it out. I really

885
00:49:50.880 --> 00:49:55.159
<v Speaker 1>liked omen. Well, then we had The Pope Exorcist. Now

886
00:49:55.239 --> 00:49:56.800
<v Speaker 1>we got this other one with Russell Crowe.

887
00:49:57.039 --> 00:49:58.199
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, the Ectocism.

888
00:49:58.599 --> 00:50:00.599
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, so where everyone was like part two.

889
00:50:00.920 --> 00:50:03.559
<v Speaker 2>No, it is not at all. It's about the making

890
00:50:03.639 --> 00:50:05.400
<v Speaker 2>of a movie that's like The Anciocist.

891
00:50:05.880 --> 00:50:06.559
<v Speaker 1>Is that what it's about.

892
00:50:06.599 --> 00:50:09.159
<v Speaker 2>Oh, yeah, it's about he's an actor playing like the

893
00:50:09.280 --> 00:50:13.159
<v Speaker 2>priest in the He's playing father Merrick Maren Maren Man.

894
00:50:13.480 --> 00:50:15.559
<v Speaker 2>He's playing like the father Marin type in a movie

895
00:50:15.639 --> 00:50:18.199
<v Speaker 2>that's like The Axiosist, but it's not the actio and

896
00:50:18.280 --> 00:50:22.440
<v Speaker 2>then that production gets haunted and he gets possessed. It's

897
00:50:22.519 --> 00:50:24.079
<v Speaker 2>kind of cool, but it has nothing to do with

898
00:50:24.159 --> 00:50:24.960
<v Speaker 2>the Popeist.

899
00:50:25.239 --> 00:50:27.039
<v Speaker 1>Got it? Well, they sure marketed to kind of look

900
00:50:27.079 --> 00:50:27.639
<v Speaker 1>that way. It did.

901
00:50:27.840 --> 00:50:28.920
<v Speaker 2>I think they're fucking with us.

902
00:50:29.440 --> 00:50:41.679
<v Speaker 1>Okay, so that reminds Nicholas Cage Uh, Archurians, Centurions, oh Manchurians, No, No, Circadian.

903
00:50:41.320 --> 00:50:44.239
<v Speaker 2>Arcadian hated it. I didn't see it. I was I

904
00:50:44.239 --> 00:50:45.960
<v Speaker 2>almost saw it, and then you told me you didn't

905
00:50:46.000 --> 00:50:47.960
<v Speaker 2>like it. Oh, we did talk about that one no,

906
00:50:48.000 --> 00:50:50.400
<v Speaker 2>you're texted me like you sucked. That's all you told me.

907
00:50:50.440 --> 00:50:53.280
<v Speaker 1>I don't know why it sucked, but I had such

908
00:50:53.360 --> 00:50:56.039
<v Speaker 1>high hopes. Man, it looked so good. He has a cage.

909
00:50:56.079 --> 00:50:58.039
<v Speaker 2>Of course, Yeah right, well, Okage, it's really up in

910
00:50:58.039 --> 00:50:59.239
<v Speaker 2>the air. It's flip a coin on him.

911
00:50:59.480 --> 00:51:02.039
<v Speaker 1>How could an And that was my whole Nicholas Cage

912
00:51:02.159 --> 00:51:05.039
<v Speaker 1>horror film with these with creatures.

913
00:51:04.599 --> 00:51:05.639
<v Speaker 2>I mean, not eveything's mandy.

914
00:51:05.800 --> 00:51:09.280
<v Speaker 1>How could it be boring? It was fucking boring. And

915
00:51:10.079 --> 00:51:11.519
<v Speaker 1>what really made me wanted to see it. I was

916
00:51:11.519 --> 00:51:13.800
<v Speaker 1>reading an article it was like on dread Dread Central

917
00:51:13.880 --> 00:51:17.480
<v Speaker 1>or something, and it said that the director, the creator

918
00:51:17.519 --> 00:51:21.719
<v Speaker 1>whoever got the idea from the for the monsters off

919
00:51:21.800 --> 00:51:25.239
<v Speaker 1>of Goofy from Disney. Oh, and I'm like, I gotta

920
00:51:25.639 --> 00:51:31.199
<v Speaker 1>see this. So the first two times you see the monsters,

921
00:51:31.519 --> 00:51:34.280
<v Speaker 1>you're like, whoa, that's crazy. Never seen something like that before.

922
00:51:34.599 --> 00:51:39.119
<v Speaker 1>Then you're like, fucking stop already, it's enough. Yeah, if

923
00:51:39.159 --> 00:51:40.519
<v Speaker 1>you ever see it, you'll see what I'm saying.

924
00:51:40.559 --> 00:51:44.199
<v Speaker 2>I've no idea. What about if I'm gonna say it, well.

925
00:51:44.079 --> 00:51:46.599
<v Speaker 1>It's the so the monsters, their their face, their mouth.

926
00:51:46.920 --> 00:51:49.400
<v Speaker 1>You could if you think goofy. You could see it.

927
00:51:50.079 --> 00:51:52.159
<v Speaker 1>But their whole thing is like they open and close

928
00:51:52.199 --> 00:51:56.199
<v Speaker 1>their mouths really really fast, and it makes this like.

929
00:51:58.800 --> 00:52:01.239
<v Speaker 2>So think of like we've seen that one Goofy skid,

930
00:52:01.880 --> 00:52:04.880
<v Speaker 2>the one goofy skit where he is he's in court

931
00:52:05.239 --> 00:52:07.519
<v Speaker 2>for for a first degree murder of murdering all these

932
00:52:07.599 --> 00:52:10.760
<v Speaker 2>children in the school bus and he's like, quash, I'll

933
00:52:10.840 --> 00:52:13.679
<v Speaker 2>do it again. I love blood, like in that voice

934
00:52:13.719 --> 00:52:17.079
<v Speaker 2>though that it's like an online YouTube sketch thing. It's

935
00:52:17.159 --> 00:52:19.760
<v Speaker 2>so hilarious, and the and the lawyer is like, you're

936
00:52:19.800 --> 00:52:22.880
<v Speaker 2>on there. My client's insane, clearly has no responsibility for

937
00:52:22.920 --> 00:52:26.199
<v Speaker 2>his actions, and please exonerate him. He's he's very sick,

938
00:52:26.440 --> 00:52:28.360
<v Speaker 2>and he's like, I'll do it again, don't let me out, Like,

939
00:52:28.599 --> 00:52:31.119
<v Speaker 2>oh my god, it's so funny because he's doing the

940
00:52:31.159 --> 00:52:34.440
<v Speaker 2>goofy voice and it's just it's blood on them still.

941
00:52:34.480 --> 00:52:38.119
<v Speaker 2>It's yeah, fucking great.

942
00:52:38.440 --> 00:52:42.239
<v Speaker 1>Not good. I really want to see long legs dying

943
00:52:42.280 --> 00:52:43.159
<v Speaker 1>to see language. Yeah.

944
00:52:43.199 --> 00:52:46.159
<v Speaker 2>I saw a trailer. I didn't spoil anything, thankfully. It's

945
00:52:46.199 --> 00:52:49.000
<v Speaker 2>just like a very ethereal, a very weird trailer. I

946
00:52:49.039 --> 00:52:50.400
<v Speaker 2>mean they're up in there. You just don't know it's

947
00:52:50.440 --> 00:52:52.239
<v Speaker 2>like Nicholas Cach movie, you just don't know what you're

948
00:52:52.280 --> 00:52:52.639
<v Speaker 2>going to get.

949
00:52:53.639 --> 00:52:53.960
<v Speaker 1>I was.

950
00:52:54.519 --> 00:52:57.079
<v Speaker 2>I saw The Bike Riders, and I hated that I

951
00:52:57.159 --> 00:53:01.079
<v Speaker 2>saw that trailer because it picked it a different movie

952
00:53:01.119 --> 00:53:01.440
<v Speaker 2>than it was.

953
00:53:01.519 --> 00:53:03.320
<v Speaker 1>I'm like, wait, bike Writers, you mean with Jar.

954
00:53:04.079 --> 00:53:06.559
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, Austin Butler and Tom Hardy.

955
00:53:06.760 --> 00:53:08.400
<v Speaker 1>And it wasn't good.

956
00:53:09.000 --> 00:53:11.239
<v Speaker 2>Oh I liked the movie. It wasn't great, though, I

957
00:53:11.320 --> 00:53:14.119
<v Speaker 2>feel like it has some problems. But it takes place

958
00:53:14.159 --> 00:53:17.320
<v Speaker 2>in Chicago. There's sixties, I mean, gives me a lot

959
00:53:17.360 --> 00:53:21.239
<v Speaker 2>of those those awesome vibes for sure. It just doesn't

960
00:53:21.760 --> 00:53:24.440
<v Speaker 2>lead anywhere that I thought it was going again one

961
00:53:24.519 --> 00:53:26.199
<v Speaker 2>because of the trailer, and trailer made it seemed like

962
00:53:26.239 --> 00:53:29.360
<v Speaker 2>those just like like the Good Fellows of Bike Riders,

963
00:53:29.440 --> 00:53:33.079
<v Speaker 2>but it's not. It's but it's not right, but it's

964
00:53:33.159 --> 00:53:35.360
<v Speaker 2>not and like it makes you want to watch Goodfellows,

965
00:53:36.199 --> 00:53:39.039
<v Speaker 2>but not necessarily The Bike Riders. Like I said, I

966
00:53:39.079 --> 00:53:41.119
<v Speaker 2>had some fun with it. I think you like it, maybe,

967
00:53:41.280 --> 00:53:43.280
<v Speaker 2>I mean, maybe you could love it. Maybe I'm seeing

968
00:53:43.280 --> 00:53:45.679
<v Speaker 2>it way off too, But I just remember feeling more

969
00:53:45.719 --> 00:53:48.840
<v Speaker 2>disappointed or equal parts disappointed as I thought it was cool.

970
00:53:48.880 --> 00:53:49.880
<v Speaker 2>So it was like a mixed back.

971
00:53:50.320 --> 00:53:53.559
<v Speaker 1>Hum, well that so I thought it was gonna be fantastic.

972
00:53:53.679 --> 00:53:55.599
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I mean I love that director. You did some

973
00:53:55.679 --> 00:54:01.039
<v Speaker 2>really good movies. Who was the directer, Nicholschaels something Nichols

974
00:54:01.159 --> 00:54:04.639
<v Speaker 2>for guys, Jeff Nichols. He did Midnight Special and he

975
00:54:04.679 --> 00:54:07.440
<v Speaker 2>saw that he did Take Shelter, some movie I showed you.

976
00:54:08.039 --> 00:54:09.079
<v Speaker 1>With Michael Shannon.

977
00:54:09.239 --> 00:54:11.920
<v Speaker 2>Yes, he has those prophetic dreams of the end.

978
00:54:12.360 --> 00:54:14.000
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, he did that movie. I think I remember liking

979
00:54:14.079 --> 00:54:14.400
<v Speaker 1>that movie.

980
00:54:14.519 --> 00:54:16.079
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I think you liked that. Yeah, that was on

981
00:54:16.119 --> 00:54:16.679
<v Speaker 2>the time I got.

982
00:54:16.559 --> 00:54:18.840
<v Speaker 1>Show it to Take Shelter. No.

983
00:54:20.000 --> 00:54:24.159
<v Speaker 2>The first one Midnight Special that's with that's an old

984
00:54:24.199 --> 00:54:27.760
<v Speaker 2>Michael Shelter Michael Shannonson. It's about the kid who like

985
00:54:27.920 --> 00:54:30.320
<v Speaker 2>has like these alien powers and the government's trying to

986
00:54:30.400 --> 00:54:32.840
<v Speaker 2>go after him, but he's living in a in a cult,

987
00:54:33.679 --> 00:54:36.400
<v Speaker 2>like in a Christian cult that's like worshiping him and

988
00:54:36.719 --> 00:54:39.719
<v Speaker 2>trying to use him for but the governments after him.

989
00:54:39.760 --> 00:54:42.159
<v Speaker 2>Michael Shannon's the father trying to break him out of that.

990
00:54:42.599 --> 00:54:44.440
<v Speaker 1>I swear, I know. I think you're seeing it because

991
00:54:44.440 --> 00:54:46.119
<v Speaker 1>we like Michael Shannon. So if a movie comes out

992
00:54:46.119 --> 00:54:48.840
<v Speaker 1>and watch it. Except the Iceman, I didn't really like

993
00:54:48.920 --> 00:54:54.119
<v Speaker 1>The Iceman, but I didn't love anither Arcadian. I really

994
00:54:54.159 --> 00:54:57.639
<v Speaker 1>want to see Talia saw the New m Night shamal

995
00:54:57.719 --> 00:54:58.000
<v Speaker 1>in one.

996
00:54:58.159 --> 00:54:58.960
<v Speaker 2>I saw the Watchers.

997
00:54:59.039 --> 00:55:00.519
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, the Watchers. Yeah, she liked it.

998
00:55:00.880 --> 00:55:03.280
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, it's fun. It's not like an actual horror movie.

999
00:55:03.320 --> 00:55:05.159
<v Speaker 2>I I would call it more of a mystery thriller.

1000
00:55:05.480 --> 00:55:06.079
<v Speaker 1>I'm good with that.

1001
00:55:06.239 --> 00:55:08.360
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, then you're good. Yeah, it's almost it's almost like

1002
00:55:08.400 --> 00:55:10.679
<v Speaker 2>a movie good for kids too. It's very like it's

1003
00:55:10.760 --> 00:55:12.760
<v Speaker 2>not trying to like show a lot, like all the

1004
00:55:12.840 --> 00:55:14.559
<v Speaker 2>DA's are kind of off screen in the moment, like

1005
00:55:14.639 --> 00:55:18.719
<v Speaker 2>they cut away, which is good, which is fine. Again,

1006
00:55:18.719 --> 00:55:20.360
<v Speaker 2>it's more of a mystery. I like the mystery in

1007
00:55:20.400 --> 00:55:22.079
<v Speaker 2>the end. I don't know if you'll find it ridiculous.

1008
00:55:22.159 --> 00:55:22.480
<v Speaker 1>I liked it.

1009
00:55:22.559 --> 00:55:23.880
<v Speaker 2>It's supernatural, which is cool.

1010
00:55:24.039 --> 00:55:26.360
<v Speaker 1>Great. Yeah, we were gonna go see that in the movie,

1011
00:55:26.400 --> 00:55:29.760
<v Speaker 1>which we just never did. Fun. There's two Shyamalan movies, right.

1012
00:55:30.519 --> 00:55:32.559
<v Speaker 2>So that's not him, that's his daughter.

1013
00:55:33.199 --> 00:55:33.760
<v Speaker 1>That's what it was.

1014
00:55:33.800 --> 00:55:36.960
<v Speaker 2>That's she's a Nepple baby. She wrote and directed it,

1015
00:55:37.079 --> 00:55:40.639
<v Speaker 2>and then her father M. Knight produced it and obviously

1016
00:55:40.719 --> 00:55:43.840
<v Speaker 2>made it happen, which one the Watchers what we think.

1017
00:55:44.599 --> 00:55:46.840
<v Speaker 1>I thought there were two Chamalan movies.

1018
00:55:46.639 --> 00:55:49.880
<v Speaker 2>So there is one that he's having this year. It's

1019
00:55:49.920 --> 00:55:50.599
<v Speaker 2>not out yet, though.

1020
00:55:50.719 --> 00:55:51.239
<v Speaker 1>What's it called?

1021
00:55:51.360 --> 00:55:51.800
<v Speaker 2>I forget?

1022
00:55:52.039 --> 00:55:54.639
<v Speaker 1>I did too, but didn't we see a preview for it?

1023
00:55:55.000 --> 00:55:57.840
<v Speaker 2>I think I might have. I don't remember. I can

1024
00:55:57.920 --> 00:56:00.599
<v Speaker 2>see the choir place one. Yeah, got this weekend?

1025
00:56:00.679 --> 00:56:01.360
<v Speaker 1>Of course? Oh does it?

1026
00:56:01.440 --> 00:56:02.719
<v Speaker 2>I think that's this week? I'm pretty sure.

1027
00:56:02.840 --> 00:56:03.360
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, of course.

1028
00:56:03.440 --> 00:56:05.119
<v Speaker 2>I really want to see Maxine. That's the one.

1029
00:56:05.159 --> 00:56:10.960
<v Speaker 1>I really want to see. M A X s X Pearl. Yeah,

1030
00:56:11.039 --> 00:56:11.639
<v Speaker 1>what's her name?

1031
00:56:12.079 --> 00:56:13.039
<v Speaker 2>Mia Goth that's it?

1032
00:56:14.840 --> 00:56:15.800
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, Yeah, i'd watch it.

1033
00:56:15.840 --> 00:56:17.920
<v Speaker 2>I really want to. It's you know, it's about the Nightstalker, right,

1034
00:56:18.360 --> 00:56:18.599
<v Speaker 2>did not?

1035
00:56:18.840 --> 00:56:19.239
<v Speaker 1>Yeah? Yeah?

1036
00:56:19.239 --> 00:56:21.079
<v Speaker 2>It takes place in La during the Nice Talker and

1037
00:56:21.199 --> 00:56:24.119
<v Speaker 2>the seventies eighty or whatever. And she's like, I mean,

1038
00:56:24.159 --> 00:56:26.239
<v Speaker 2>it's all very whatever. It's not going to be based

1039
00:56:26.239 --> 00:56:28.199
<v Speaker 2>on reality, but like that's what it looks like. The

1040
00:56:28.320 --> 00:56:30.159
<v Speaker 2>news are in the trailer are talking about the nice

1041
00:56:30.199 --> 00:56:32.599
<v Speaker 2>Talkers out there killing women, and she's out there at night,

1042
00:56:32.679 --> 00:56:34.480
<v Speaker 2>you know, and a woman, So like it's gonna be

1043
00:56:34.599 --> 00:56:36.199
<v Speaker 2>like I don't know, what's I don't know. I haven't

1044
00:56:36.199 --> 00:56:38.239
<v Speaker 2>seen a preview for it, but it just looks cool,

1045
00:56:38.320 --> 00:56:44.280
<v Speaker 2>looks stylistic, it looks eighties looks like Yeah, I want

1046
00:56:44.280 --> 00:56:47.320
<v Speaker 2>to see that too, Yes, of course, I mean that's

1047
00:56:47.320 --> 00:56:48.159
<v Speaker 2>gonna make so much money.

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00:56:50.119 --> 00:56:50.760
<v Speaker 1>We Keaton.

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00:56:51.239 --> 00:56:53.719
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I saw Inside Out too? Also.

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00:56:54.559 --> 00:56:58.639
<v Speaker 1>Uh, they Italian gave Italian whoever she went with, They

1051
00:56:58.679 --> 00:57:02.079
<v Speaker 1>went yesterday or the day before. You see it. They

1052
00:57:02.159 --> 00:57:04.719
<v Speaker 1>loved it. Yeah, it's great. I saw twice, did you really?

1053
00:57:04.840 --> 00:57:07.320
<v Speaker 2>Yes, I like the first one and if you watch it,

1054
00:57:07.559 --> 00:57:10.679
<v Speaker 2>you'll be like, that's me really, like that's my lead

1055
00:57:10.760 --> 00:57:11.440
<v Speaker 2>emotion right there.

1056
00:57:12.000 --> 00:57:13.639
<v Speaker 1>Oh I got to see it. Yeah.

1057
00:57:15.880 --> 00:57:17.760
<v Speaker 2>We did a review on it and it just came

1058
00:57:17.800 --> 00:57:22.199
<v Speaker 2>out yesterday and we spent like an hour talking about

1059
00:57:22.199 --> 00:57:22.760
<v Speaker 2>that fucking movie.

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00:57:23.159 --> 00:57:25.360
<v Speaker 1>Wow, all right, Yes, they loved it. They said it

1061
00:57:25.440 --> 00:57:29.519
<v Speaker 1>was sad. Oh yeah, yeah, I'll definitely watch it. We

1062
00:57:29.599 --> 00:57:35.559
<v Speaker 1>watched the first one. What else am I excited about? Series?

1063
00:57:35.639 --> 00:57:41.440
<v Speaker 1>Let's talk about on Apple TV. There's a Jake Jillenhall roadhouse.

1064
00:57:42.400 --> 00:57:42.760
<v Speaker 1>I saw that.

1065
00:57:42.880 --> 00:57:43.400
<v Speaker 2>It's on Prime.

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00:57:43.559 --> 00:57:45.320
<v Speaker 1>You know what. It was fun? It was fun?

1067
00:57:45.440 --> 00:57:48.679
<v Speaker 2>Well, like, yes, it was fun. I had fun with it.

1068
00:57:49.039 --> 00:57:52.119
<v Speaker 2>There's some kind of wacky direction with the punching and stuff,

1069
00:57:52.159 --> 00:57:54.119
<v Speaker 2>like the first camera pe will be punching thing that

1070
00:57:54.199 --> 00:57:54.920
<v Speaker 2>they did in the movie.

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00:57:55.280 --> 00:57:55.960
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I like that.

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00:57:56.039 --> 00:57:59.400
<v Speaker 2>That was kind of weird and wacky. I wouldn't say

1073
00:57:59.400 --> 00:58:01.400
<v Speaker 2>that the action whiled me. Beyond that point, I kind

1074
00:58:01.400 --> 00:58:03.800
<v Speaker 2>of wish it was better. Really, I thought it was great,

1075
00:58:03.840 --> 00:58:05.559
<v Speaker 2>but no, no, but it was still fun. It was

1076
00:58:05.599 --> 00:58:06.920
<v Speaker 2>like fun and I liked it.

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00:58:08.400 --> 00:58:08.559
<v Speaker 1>You know.

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00:58:08.760 --> 00:58:10.599
<v Speaker 2>I think it tried to be a little too gritty

1079
00:58:10.639 --> 00:58:12.960
<v Speaker 2>when it didn't have to. But ultimately, I'm like, I

1080
00:58:13.039 --> 00:58:15.519
<v Speaker 2>think the reason I don't love this movie the way

1081
00:58:15.599 --> 00:58:18.360
<v Speaker 2>I liked the original is because just Patrick Series is

1082
00:58:18.400 --> 00:58:20.320
<v Speaker 2>just much more charming than J. J.

1083
00:58:20.480 --> 00:58:20.800
<v Speaker 1>Lehull.

1084
00:58:21.199 --> 00:58:24.719
<v Speaker 2>Like, I found him way more convincing in a ridiculous

1085
00:58:24.800 --> 00:58:27.320
<v Speaker 2>role like this then J. J. Leholl. Really yeah, I

1086
00:58:27.360 --> 00:58:29.320
<v Speaker 2>think ultimately J. Hull is trying it is like he's

1087
00:58:29.639 --> 00:58:34.679
<v Speaker 2>he's like two Emo, maybe more than Swaysey. Was interesting

1088
00:58:34.840 --> 00:58:36.239
<v Speaker 2>because I was like, maybe it's the lead. I think

1089
00:58:36.360 --> 00:58:37.760
<v Speaker 2>how I think? I like, I think it's just the

1090
00:58:37.880 --> 00:58:39.679
<v Speaker 2>leading man. I'm like, I think I just prefer Swayzy

1091
00:58:39.760 --> 00:58:39.920
<v Speaker 2>in it.

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00:58:40.199 --> 00:58:40.400
<v Speaker 1>Huh.

1093
00:58:40.639 --> 00:58:41.360
<v Speaker 2>You know well?

1094
00:58:41.480 --> 00:58:43.440
<v Speaker 1>I mean, of course that pushed us to go and

1095
00:58:43.519 --> 00:58:45.000
<v Speaker 1>watch the first one again. Could it have been?

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00:58:45.199 --> 00:58:47.039
<v Speaker 2>I saw it too before I saw it like a

1097
00:58:47.079 --> 00:58:47.639
<v Speaker 2>week before.

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00:58:48.320 --> 00:58:50.840
<v Speaker 1>It was great. Yeah, Don Henley? Is it Don Henley

1099
00:58:51.000 --> 00:58:53.440
<v Speaker 1>the Blind? He just died? No, he didn't just die,

1100
00:58:53.480 --> 00:58:56.800
<v Speaker 1>he died a while ago. The band. Oh yes, yes, yes,

1101
00:58:57.159 --> 00:59:01.199
<v Speaker 1>I used to listen to his music. It's Done Henley,

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00:59:01.920 --> 00:59:02.679
<v Speaker 1>I think. So, I don't know.

1103
00:59:02.760 --> 00:59:03.719
<v Speaker 2>I'm bad with me.

1104
00:59:03.840 --> 00:59:07.960
<v Speaker 1>It's fantastic. It's just so eighties. It's so great. So

1105
00:59:08.079 --> 00:59:10.079
<v Speaker 1>we had fun with it. I fucking hate Connor McGregor.

1106
00:59:10.719 --> 00:59:13.760
<v Speaker 1>I hate he is Who was that? Connor McGregor was

1107
00:59:13.800 --> 00:59:16.719
<v Speaker 1>the main villain in in the New One? Yeah?

1108
00:59:16.840 --> 00:59:19.639
<v Speaker 2>Oh the UFC fighters. So I heard Bob told me

1109
00:59:19.719 --> 00:59:22.519
<v Speaker 2>that he's an actual fighter. Oh yeah, And I didn't

1110
00:59:22.559 --> 00:59:24.159
<v Speaker 2>know that because I don't know about that's huge. I

1111
00:59:24.199 --> 00:59:25.840
<v Speaker 2>didn't know anything about him. It was my first time

1112
00:59:25.880 --> 00:59:26.320
<v Speaker 2>watching him.

1113
00:59:26.639 --> 00:59:29.719
<v Speaker 1>Yep, he's garbage. He was wacky in that movie, crazy

1114
00:59:29.840 --> 00:59:30.719
<v Speaker 1>the way he wants it.

1115
00:59:31.719 --> 00:59:33.679
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, so what do you hate him? He's crazy?

1116
00:59:33.760 --> 00:59:33.920
<v Speaker 1>Why?

1117
00:59:34.199 --> 00:59:35.559
<v Speaker 2>He's just a pukey.

1118
00:59:35.920 --> 00:59:40.000
<v Speaker 1>He's just a puke. So I like that. But Jake Jonhall,

1119
00:59:40.000 --> 00:59:44.039
<v Speaker 1>there's this series called Presumed Innocent, and that's the TV.

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00:59:44.599 --> 00:59:46.039
<v Speaker 2>It's really I get a lot of trailers for that.

1121
00:59:46.280 --> 00:59:46.679
<v Speaker 1>It's good.

1122
00:59:47.280 --> 00:59:48.519
<v Speaker 2>I just don't know if I'm ready for that kind

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00:59:48.519 --> 00:59:50.880
<v Speaker 2>of mystery right now. I saw a trailers that looks

1124
00:59:50.920 --> 00:59:52.880
<v Speaker 2>like one of those kinds of movie shows on my own.

1125
00:59:52.960 --> 00:59:56.440
<v Speaker 2>I don't know if I want something he does. You

1126
00:59:56.519 --> 00:59:58.360
<v Speaker 2>know what else is Chakawa that I really love? That's

1127
00:59:58.360 --> 01:00:02.159
<v Speaker 2>also on Apple TV. I saw Dark Matter Matter.

1128
01:00:03.960 --> 01:00:05.480
<v Speaker 1>What I stopped?

1129
01:00:05.800 --> 01:00:06.639
<v Speaker 2>Where did you stop?

1130
01:00:06.679 --> 01:00:08.880
<v Speaker 1>Third episode? I'm like, I can't do this anymore? Why not?

1131
01:00:09.119 --> 01:00:11.079
<v Speaker 1>If I hear this one more time, I'm gonna fucking

1132
01:00:11.079 --> 01:00:11.719
<v Speaker 1>shoot myself.

1133
01:00:11.760 --> 01:00:14.280
<v Speaker 2>The Lifelick it's like three times an episode is not

1134
01:00:14.440 --> 01:00:16.199
<v Speaker 2>that much to its not that much?

1135
01:00:16.880 --> 01:00:20.599
<v Speaker 1>Oh my, I don't like it. We tried, I really tried.

1136
01:00:20.960 --> 01:00:22.440
<v Speaker 2>It gets so much better if you can get to

1137
01:00:22.440 --> 01:00:25.920
<v Speaker 2>the last two episodes, it goes fucking bonkers. Really yeah,

1138
01:00:26.119 --> 01:00:26.559
<v Speaker 2>it does.

1139
01:00:26.679 --> 01:00:30.719
<v Speaker 1>But you know, maybe maybe it's been because we tried.

1140
01:00:30.840 --> 01:00:31.360
<v Speaker 1>We did try.

1141
01:00:31.360 --> 01:00:31.920
<v Speaker 2>It's so good.

1142
01:00:31.960 --> 01:00:32.320
<v Speaker 1>I love that.

1143
01:00:32.360 --> 01:00:34.519
<v Speaker 2>I want to be the Bolg now because there's may

1144
01:00:34.599 --> 01:00:38.360
<v Speaker 2>it's based by an author that I read one of

1145
01:00:38.440 --> 01:00:40.599
<v Speaker 2>his other books with Kerchon, which is badass.

1146
01:00:41.039 --> 01:00:45.840
<v Speaker 1>I remember, like, oh I've heard of that author or something.

1147
01:00:47.159 --> 01:00:48.199
<v Speaker 1>This is this is uh?

1148
01:00:48.519 --> 01:00:51.760
<v Speaker 2>He actually like wrote and directed the show a lot too,

1149
01:00:51.840 --> 01:00:53.480
<v Speaker 2>so he's like his first time involved in it.

1150
01:00:53.599 --> 01:00:57.639
<v Speaker 1>Okay, all right, So maybe maybe we'll give it a

1151
01:00:57.719 --> 01:00:59.840
<v Speaker 1>try at some point, but I just couldn't take it anymore.

1152
01:01:00.039 --> 01:01:00.599
<v Speaker 1>It's very hard.

1153
01:01:00.960 --> 01:01:04.039
<v Speaker 2>I definitely don't take drugs at all, and this is

1154
01:01:04.119 --> 01:01:07.159
<v Speaker 2>like acid or something, oh, coke sometimes?

1155
01:01:07.800 --> 01:01:07.960
<v Speaker 1>Ah?

1156
01:01:08.119 --> 01:01:09.840
<v Speaker 2>Okay, waity spaghetti.

1157
01:01:10.880 --> 01:01:15.519
<v Speaker 1>Yeah. One hundred and fifty five, one fifty five. What

1158
01:01:15.639 --> 01:01:18.159
<v Speaker 1>did you say last episode? Right? This is one fifty five?

1159
01:01:18.239 --> 01:01:19.599
<v Speaker 2>Yeah? Did you say something else before?

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01:01:19.880 --> 01:01:19.920
<v Speaker 1>No?

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01:01:20.159 --> 01:01:21.039
<v Speaker 2>Okay, Then I.

1162
01:01:21.079 --> 01:01:23.960
<v Speaker 1>Wrote one fifty four because I didn't know when I

1163
01:01:24.039 --> 01:01:25.159
<v Speaker 1>wrote this, I didn't know I was going to have

1164
01:01:25.159 --> 01:01:25.960
<v Speaker 1>an update episode.

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01:01:26.000 --> 01:01:27.119
<v Speaker 2>Oh I see, Oh I see.

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01:01:27.320 --> 01:01:28.320
<v Speaker 1>So it's one forty five.

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01:01:28.519 --> 01:01:29.840
<v Speaker 2>Okay, is no difference?

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01:01:30.159 --> 01:01:32.599
<v Speaker 1>No, no, but we just did one for the four yes, okay,

1169
01:01:32.679 --> 01:01:33.320
<v Speaker 1>So I'm gonna say one

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01:01:33.559 --> 01:01:38.280
<v Speaker 2>Five, yes, yes, all right, let's do this and five four,

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01:01:38.960 --> 01:01:40.159
<v Speaker 2>three two