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<v Speaker 1>All right, let's jump into a deep dive on cybersecurity.

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<v Speaker 1>We've got this book here covers a ton of ground

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<v Speaker 1>latest threats, malware trends, all the strategies we need. It's

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<v Speaker 1>like a crash course to understand cybersecurity, build up your defenses,

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<v Speaker 1>protect your data, whether it's personal stuff or for a

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<v Speaker 1>whole organization.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, you know, it's a landscape that's always changing. One

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<v Speaker 2>thing that's interesting is how much cybersecurity has become like

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<v Speaker 2>this global thing, business politics. It's all tied in. We're

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<v Speaker 2>talking about an industry, by the way, projected to be

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<v Speaker 2>worth get this, three hundred and seventy five billion dollars

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<v Speaker 2>by the end of the decade.

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<v Speaker 1>Wow, that's a serious number. But I guess it makes

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<v Speaker 1>sense though. We rely on tech for so much these days,

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<v Speaker 1>and our book here dives right into those cybersecurity week points,

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<v Speaker 1>the things we got to be aware of. Honestly, I

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<v Speaker 1>was surprised how often systems get compromised through like really

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<v Speaker 1>simple stuff.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, totally unpatched vulnerabilities. That's a big one. Security misconfigurations,

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<v Speaker 2>especting those systems that are like Internet facing social engineering.

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<v Speaker 2>Can't forget that. Insider threats and of course, the classic

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<v Speaker 2>week or stolen credentials.

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<v Speaker 1>You know, it's kind of scary how easy it is

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<v Speaker 1>to leave a door open to your data just by

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<v Speaker 1>overlooking a setting.

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<v Speaker 2>You know, it really is. It's like leaving your front

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<v Speaker 2>door unlocked. Maybe you think you live in a safe neighborhood,

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<v Speaker 2>but why even take the risk? Right? And these misconfigurations

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<v Speaker 2>they're often in like super critical systems, web servers, databases,

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<v Speaker 2>the stuff that holds all the important info.

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<v Speaker 1>And it's not just about outside threats, is it.

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<v Speaker 2>Nope, definitely not. Insider threats can be just as bad,

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<v Speaker 2>if not worse.

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<v Speaker 1>What do you mean by that, Well, think about it.

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<v Speaker 2>Someone inside an organization, they might have totally legitimate access

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<v Speaker 2>to sensitive data, but they decide to misuse it, or

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<v Speaker 2>maybe they unintentionally create a vulnerability, you know, being careless

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<v Speaker 2>with those security protocols. And then there's the case where

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<v Speaker 2>someone's credentials get stolen used by an attacker. Happens more

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<v Speaker 2>than you'd think.

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<v Speaker 1>So it's not just about building walls around the data.

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<v Speaker 1>It's also about who has the keys and what they

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<v Speaker 1>can do with them. Speaking of access, the book mentions

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<v Speaker 1>multi factor authentication MFA. Right, that's supposed to be like

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<v Speaker 1>a big help. Is it the silver bullet, the thing

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<v Speaker 1>we've been waiting for?

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<v Speaker 2>You know? MFA is definitely a good step, adds that

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<v Speaker 2>extra layer, which is great, But like any security measure,

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<v Speaker 2>it's not perfect. Older systems they often don't even support MFA,

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<v Speaker 2>and some attackers they've figured out ways to bypass certain types.

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<v Speaker 2>Think of it like a strong lock on your door

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<v Speaker 2>deters most people, but a really determined thief they might

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<v Speaker 2>still find a way in.

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<v Speaker 1>So valuable tool, no doubt, but not a reason to

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<v Speaker 1>get complacent. Now there's something I found really interesting, threat intelligence.

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<v Speaker 1>This idea of using data on attackers. They're tactics, techniques,

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<v Speaker 1>procedures all that. The book calls it CTI Cyber threat intelligence.

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<v Speaker 1>Seems like having that kind of intel would be a

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<v Speaker 1>game changer, right.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh, it absolutely can be. CTI. It lets security teams

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<v Speaker 2>move from like reacting all the time to being more proactive.

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<v Speaker 2>It's like having a playbook on your opponent before the

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<v Speaker 2>game even starts. You can anticipate what they might do

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<v Speaker 2>and build your fences around that.

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<v Speaker 1>That's a great way to put it. But where do

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<v Speaker 1>you even start with all this? CTI seems like it

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<v Speaker 1>could be massive amounts of data.

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<v Speaker 2>You're right, it can be pretty overwhelming. One resource the

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<v Speaker 2>book mentions is the MITE att and CK framework. Think

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<v Speaker 2>of it like a giant database. It's got all these

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<v Speaker 2>attacker tactics techniques along with ways to mitigate them. Really

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<v Speaker 2>good starting point to understand how attackers actually operate. So

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<v Speaker 2>it's like the cybersecurity Encyclopedia exactly helps you categorize understand

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<v Speaker 2>different attack approaches. But the book makes a point of saying,

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<v Speaker 2>be careful about where you get your CTI from. Not

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<v Speaker 2>all information is created equal.

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<v Speaker 1>That's true. You wouldn't want to base your whole security

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<v Speaker 1>strategy on bad intel. So you've got your threat intelligence,

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<v Speaker 1>you're getting into the attacker's mindset. How do you actually

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<v Speaker 1>use all that knowledge put it into action.

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<v Speaker 2>That's where vulnerability management comes in. It's all about finding

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<v Speaker 2>and fixing weaknesses in your systems, your software before the

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<v Speaker 2>attackers can exploit them. The book points to a couple

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<v Speaker 2>key key resources, the Common Vulnerabilities and Exposures List, that's

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<v Speaker 2>the CVE list, and then there's the National Vulnerability Database

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<v Speaker 2>or MBD.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm guessing there are a ton of vulnerabilities.

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<v Speaker 2>Out there you're telling me. Just in twenty twenty two alone,

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<v Speaker 2>there were on average, sixty nine new vulnerability disclosures every

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<v Speaker 1>Sixty nine a day. Wow. How does security teams even

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<v Speaker 1>keep up with that?

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<v Speaker 2>It's a constant battle. The book talks about different approaches

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<v Speaker 2>organizations take. So I try to patch everything asp Others

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<v Speaker 2>focus on the most severe vulnerabilities or the ones that

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<v Speaker 2>are actively being exploited based on their threat intel.

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<v Speaker 1>You know, so using threat intelligence to prioritize patching, that's

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<v Speaker 1>a smart way to focus where it matters most exactly.

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<v Speaker 2>It's about understanding you can't do everything at once. Got

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<v Speaker 2>to make strategic decisions where to allocate resources.

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<v Speaker 1>Okay, so we've got vulnerabilities, threat intelligence. Now let's talk

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<v Speaker 1>about malware. Term gets thrown around a lot, but it

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<v Speaker 1>seems like it's always changing. What's interesting to me is

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<v Speaker 1>how the way we distribute software actually impacts how malware spreads.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, and the book uses Windows as a prime example.

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<v Speaker 2>Because it's so widely used, it's become a huge target

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<v Speaker 2>for malware developers. Like a popularity contest.

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<v Speaker 1>You don't want to win, right, The bigger you are,

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<v Speaker 1>the bigger, the target on your back yeah, But before

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<v Speaker 1>we go too deep, can you give us a quick

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<v Speaker 1>rundown of the different types of malware.

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<v Speaker 2>Sure, you got your classic viruses they attached to other programs,

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<v Speaker 2>spread that way. Then there's worms, those can spread on

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<v Speaker 2>their own across networks, Trojans those disguise themselves as legitimate software,

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<v Speaker 2>but they deliver a nasty payload. And of course ransomware

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<v Speaker 2>can't forget that one. It's become a huge problem.

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<v Speaker 1>Ransomware's the one I hear about the most. Seems like

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<v Speaker 1>every other week there's a new attack. In the headlines.

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<v Speaker 2>It's evolved. You know. It used to be just about

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<v Speaker 2>encrypting files and demanding money, but now attackers are using

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<v Speaker 2>all sorts of tactics to extort money. Makes it even

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<v Speaker 2>more dangerous. There was this interesting example in the book

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<v Speaker 2>about a vulnerability in Windows Remote Desktop services back in

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<v Speaker 2>twenty nineteen. Experts said it could have been as bad

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<v Speaker 2>Want to Cry if it had been exploited more widely.

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<v Speaker 1>I remember Wanna Cry. That was a global mess. It

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<v Speaker 1>sounds like we're constantly playing ketchup with these attackers.

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<v Speaker 2>It's a constant arms race, that's for sure. But here's

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<v Speaker 2>the thing. The threat landscape. It's not the same everywhere.

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<v Speaker 2>The book goes into regional malware trends. Turns out encounter

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<v Speaker 2>rates and infection rates. They can vary a lot from

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<v Speaker 2>country to country, so.

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<v Speaker 1>Some parts of the world are riskier than others when

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<v Speaker 1>it comes to malware exactly.

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<v Speaker 2>For example, the book highlights how Japan and Finland consistently

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<v Speaker 2>have the lowest encounter and infection rates, while countries like

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<v Speaker 2>Pakistan and Indonesia they've seen some big increases. It's a

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<v Speaker 2>mix of factors, you know, software piracy rates, security practices,

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<v Speaker 2>the types of malware that are common in different regions.

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<v Speaker 2>It all plays a role.

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<v Speaker 1>So each region has its own unique cybercrime ecosystem. Fascinating. Okay,

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<v Speaker 1>let's zoom out a bit talk about attacker methods in general.

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<v Speaker 1>What are the most common tactics they're using these days.

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<v Speaker 2>The book really focuses on three fishing, drive by downloads,

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<v Speaker 2>and dedos attacks. These tactics they've evolved over time, become

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<v Speaker 2>more sophisticated, more effective.

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<v Speaker 1>I've definitely gotten my fair share of phishing emails. It's

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<v Speaker 1>amazing how convincing some of them can be.

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<v Speaker 2>Phishing works because it preys on human nature attackers. They

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<v Speaker 2>exploit our trust, our tendency to make mistakes, especially when

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<v Speaker 2>we're busy or distracted, and there are just so many

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<v Speaker 2>phishing websites out there, it's a constant threat. There's actually

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<v Speaker 2>a correlation the book found between a country's malware infection

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<v Speaker 2>rate and the number of phishing sites hosted within its

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<v Speaker 2>country code domain.

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<v Speaker 1>That's a scary thought. So it's not just about having

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<v Speaker 1>strong tech defenses. It's about educating users, raising awareness about

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<v Speaker 1>these social engineering tactics.

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<v Speaker 2>You got it. Human error is often the weakest link

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<v Speaker 2>in the chain.

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<v Speaker 1>What about drive by downloads? Those sound pretty sneaky.

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<v Speaker 2>They are. Drive by downloads happen when you visit a

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<v Speaker 2>compromised website and malicious software gets installed on your computer

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<v Speaker 2>without you even knowing. It often exploits vulnerabilities in your

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<v Speaker 2>web browser or plugins, so.

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<v Speaker 1>You could be on a totally normal looking website and

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<v Speaker 1>get infected.

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<v Speaker 2>It happens. It's a reminder to be careful online. Even

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<v Speaker 2>reputable websites can be risky if your browser or plugins

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<v Speaker 2>are outdated.

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<v Speaker 1>And then there's dedos attacks Those can take down whole websites,

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<v Speaker 1>online services. It seems like they're often used for extortion too.

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<v Speaker 2>You're right, In a DEDOS attack, attackers flood a target

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<v Speaker 2>with traffic, overwhelm it, servers make it unusable for legitimate users.

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<v Speaker 2>And yeah, sometimes they'll threaten to launch a DEDOS attack

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<v Speaker 2>unless a ransom is paid.

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<v Speaker 1>So it's a powerful tool for cyber criminals, disrupts and

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<v Speaker 1>makes money. We've talked a lot about the bad guys,

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<v Speaker 1>but what about governments? What role do they play in

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<v Speaker 2>Governments they have a really complex role in cybersecurity. They

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<v Speaker 2>can be standards bodies, regulators, enforcers, protectors, and even potential

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<v Speaker 2>threats themselves.

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<v Speaker 1>That's quite a range. So governments can be both allies

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<v Speaker 1>and adversaries.

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<v Speaker 2>Exactly, and the book dives into those different perspectives how

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<v Speaker 2>CISOs chief information security officers view governments. It's a complex

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<v Speaker 2>relationship for sure.

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<v Speaker 1>So on one hand, and government set standards, enforce rules,

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<v Speaker 1>help protect critical infrastructure, but on the other they could

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<v Speaker 1>pose a thread, especially when it comes to data access

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<v Speaker 1>and surveillance.

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<v Speaker 2>It's a delicate balance, super important in the digital age.

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<v Speaker 1>The book talks about three scenarios related to government access.

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<v Speaker 1>What are those exactly?

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<v Speaker 2>Okay, so first you've got signals intelligence that's gathering intel

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<v Speaker 2>by intercepting analyzing communications electronics signals. Then there's unlawful government

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<v Speaker 2>access that's where an agency might try to steal data

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<v Speaker 2>without authorization. And then there's lawful government access where data

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<v Speaker 2>is obtained legally, like through court orders for investigations.

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<v Speaker 1>So signals intelligence is more about gathering general info for

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<v Speaker 1>national security, while the other two are about specific data,

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<v Speaker 1>either for investigations or in the case of unlawful access

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<v Speaker 1>for malicious reasons. It's interesting how these legal frameworks are

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<v Speaker 1>trying to keep up with the challenges of data access

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<v Speaker 1>in the digital age, right, and.

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<v Speaker 2>The book goes deeper into lawful government access, talking about

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<v Speaker 2>things like to All Legal Assistance Treaties or mlets, and

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<v Speaker 2>the Cloud Act. These are meant to help international cooperation

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<v Speaker 2>and investigations, but they also raise questions about privacy and

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<v Speaker 2>data sovereignty.

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<v Speaker 1>It's that balance again, security versus privacy. But the book

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<v Speaker 1>also talks about transparency reports, which I found reassuring. Companies

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<v Speaker 2>Transparency's huge builds accountability and trust those reports give us

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<v Speaker 1>And of course all this talk about government access to

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<v Speaker 2>Oh yeah, Shrem's in particular has created a lot of

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<v Speaker 1>Sounds like a legal mindfield.

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<v Speaker 1>It's a multi dimensional problem needs a holistic approach. Okay,

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<v Speaker 1>we've covered vulnerabilities, threat, intel, government access, a lot of ground,

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<v Speaker 1>but now let's talk about cybersecurity strategies. What are some

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<v Speaker 1>of the ways organizations can protect themselves in this complex

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<v Speaker 2>The book outlines a whole bunch of strategies, each with

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<v Speaker 2>endpoint protection, application centric, identity centric, data centric, physical control

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<v Speaker 2>and security clearances, compliance as a security strategy, attack centric,

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<v Speaker 2>zero trust, even how DevOps plays a role. It's a lot,

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<v Speaker 2>and the right one for any organization depends on their needs.

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<v Speaker 2>They're risk tolerance. The book uses something called the Cybersecurity

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<v Speaker 2>Fundamental Scoring System or CFSS to evaluate these strategies, measures

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<v Speaker 2>how effective each one is against those common vulnerabilities we

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<v Speaker 1>That's cool, so we'll see how each strategy stacks up

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<v Speaker 1>against those usual suspects, unpatched vulnerabilities, weak credentials. All that,

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<v Speaker 2>All right, let's start with a classic but still important

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<v Speaker 1>Recover straightforward enough tell me more.

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<v Speaker 2>It's all about building layers of defense to prevent attacks

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<v Speaker 1>So a strong perimeter like firewalls, intrusion detection systems to

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<v Speaker 1>like data backups to recover if they do get in exactly.

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<v Speaker 1>But I'm guessing there are limitations to this, right, Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>no defense is perfect. Attackers are always finding new ways in.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, you're right. The book points out that protect and

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<v Speaker 2>Recover kind of assumes that you can completely block attackers,

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<v Speaker 2>which isn't realistic these days. Attackers are constantly evolving, finding

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<v Speaker 2>new vulnerabilities bypassing secure scurity. Like you can build the

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<v Speaker 2>strongest fortress, but a determined attacker might find a way

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<v Speaker 1>So good foundation, but probably not enough on its own anymore.

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<v Speaker 1>What about endpoint protection? How's that different?

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<v Speaker 2>Endpoint protection focuses on securing each individual device that connects

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<v Speaker 2>to your network, laptops, desktops, phones, servers, anything that could

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<v Speaker 1>So securing the front lines where most attacks start.

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<v Speaker 2>You got it, think anti virus, endpoint detection and response tools,

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<v Speaker 2>strong password policies, making those individual devices as hard to

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<v Speaker 1>But we talked about how the threat landscape is constantly changing,

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<v Speaker 1>new vulnerabilities popping up all the time. How does endpoint

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<v Speaker 2>That's the challenge. It requires constant vigilance, constant updates, having

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<v Speaker 1>So not a set it and forget it kind.

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<v Speaker 2>Of thing, definitely not. Endpoint protection is about being proactive,

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<v Speaker 2>staying ahead of the attackers.

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<v Speaker 1>Okay, now let's talk about application centric security. What's the

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<v Speaker 2>Application centric it shifts the focus from the network perimeter

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<v Speaker 2>to the applications themselves. The idea is applications are often

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<v Speaker 2>the target, so we need to build security into the

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<v Speaker 2>whole application development process.

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<v Speaker 1>So instead of a wall around everything, you're building security

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<v Speaker 1>into the building.

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<v Speaker 2>Block, exactly like adding security features to a house while

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<v Speaker 2>you're building it, not trying to bolt them on later.

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<v Speaker 1>I like that. So how do you actually do that?

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<v Speaker 2>It's a multifaceted thing. Involves secure coding guidelines, vulnerability standing,

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<v Speaker 2>penetration testing, things like run time applications, self protection tools.

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<v Speaker 2>Integrating security into every stage of development.

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<v Speaker 1>Sounds thorough, but what are the trade offs?

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<v Speaker 2>The big plus is you're securing the most common target,

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<v Speaker 2>the applications themselves. Building security into the code makes it

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<v Speaker 2>much harder to find and exploit vulnerabilities.

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<v Speaker 1>With proactive prevents vulnerability from even existing.

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<v Speaker 2>Right, But the downside is it can be complex and

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<v Speaker 2>time consuming. It needs specialized skills, might not be feasible

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<v Speaker 2>for organizations that rely a lot on third party apps

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<v Speaker 1>So a balance between security and practicality. I'm curious to

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<v Speaker 1>see how it scores on that Cybersecurity Fundamental scoring system.

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<v Speaker 2>According to the book, Application Centric gets a seventy on

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<v Speaker 2>the CFSS, which is pretty good. It's great at mitigating

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<v Speaker 2>vulnerabilities and misconfigurations, but only gets partial marks for things

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<v Speaker 2>like insider threats, social engineering.

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<v Speaker 1>Weak credentials makes sense strong strategy for organizations that develop

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<v Speaker 1>their own software, but might not cover all types of threats. Okay,

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<v Speaker 1>what about identity centric security. What's the idea there?

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<v Speaker 2>Identity centric recognizes that identity is becoming the new perimeter.

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<v Speaker 2>It's about verifying the identities of users, systems, devices, granting

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<v Speaker 1>So less about a fortress, more about a really good gatekeeper.

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<v Speaker 2>Exactly like a security guard checking IDs at the door.

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<v Speaker 1>I can see how this is important with cloud computing,

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<v Speaker 1>remote work that traditional network perimeter isn't as relevant anymore.

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<v Speaker 1>Got it?

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<v Speaker 2>When users and devices are accessing stuff from everywhere, verifying

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<v Speaker 1>So what are the key parts of an identity centric strategy?

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<v Speaker 2>Strong authentication mechanisms are crucial, Like multi factor authentication, you

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<v Speaker 2>need robust identity management systems to control access based on rolls, permissions,

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<v Speaker 2>even the context of the request. They even talk about

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<v Speaker 2>using metadata like location and time of access to make

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<v Speaker 1>More nuanced than just passwords and firewalls.

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<v Speaker 2>It is, but like any approach, it has challenges. Managing

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<v Speaker 2>identities and permissions can get complex, especially in big organizations,

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<v Speaker 2>lots of systems, lots of applications.

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<v Speaker 1>I bet that could get MESSI fast.

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<v Speaker 2>It can, And it's hard to enforce consistent identity policies

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<v Speaker 1>So it could be highly effective, but needs careful planning implementation.

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<v Speaker 2>Absolutely, it's about that balance between security and usability.

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<v Speaker 1>Okay, onto data centric security. What's the central theme?

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<v Speaker 2>Data centric recognizes that data is often the most valuable asset.

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<v Speaker 2>It's about securing the data itself. No matter where it

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<v Speaker 1>Putting the crown jewels in the vaults, so to.

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<v Speaker 2>Speak, exactly protecting the data itself, not just the systems

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<v Speaker 1>With data becoming more valuable and all the regulations around

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<v Speaker 1>data protection like GDPR, this strategy seems more relevant than ever.

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<v Speaker 2>Absolutely, a data centric approach to security is crucial.

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<v Speaker 1>So what are the key principles?

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<v Speaker 2>Data classification, encryption, access control are big ones. They also

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<v Speaker 2>talk about data loss prevention technologies or DLP. It's about

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<v Speaker 2>knowing what data you have, where it is, who can

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<v Speaker 2>Very comprehensive it is, but there are challenges. Managing data

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<v Speaker 2>across lots of different systems and apps can be tough,

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<v Speaker 2>and when data is in the cloud or shared with partners,

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<v Speaker 2>enforcing consistent security policies gets really tricky.

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<v Speaker 1>So you need good data governance collaboration between teams organizations

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<v Speaker 1>for sure.

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<v Speaker 2>Data security is everyone's responsibility.

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<v Speaker 1>Now let's talk about something that might seem a bit

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<v Speaker 1>old school, physical control and security clearances.

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<v Speaker 2>This one emphasizes physical security controls personnel security to protect

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<v Speaker 2>sensitive info think secure data centers, guarded facilities, background check,

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<v Speaker 2>security clearances, controlling who can physically access facilities, systems data.

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<v Speaker 1>Sounds like something out of a spy movie.

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<v Speaker 2>A little bit, right, but it's still relevant for some organizations,

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<v Speaker 2>especially those dealing with highly sensitive info like national secrets,

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<v Speaker 2>financial data. It's about minimizing insider threats, theft, espionage.

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<v Speaker 1>But with cloud computing, remote work data is everywhere people

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<v Speaker 1>work from anywhere, it seems like physical security might not

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<v Speaker 2>You're right. It's harder to control physical acts access to

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<v Speaker 1>So it works for certain types of data certain organizations,

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<v Speaker 1>but not a comprehensive solution from most businesses today.

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<v Speaker 1>Okay, let's talk about a strategy that's often misunderstood. Compliance

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<v Speaker 1>as a security strategy.

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<v Speaker 2>This one's all about using compliance with industry standards regulations

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<v Speaker 2>as the main framework for your security program, meeting those

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<v Speaker 2>minimum requirements set by external entities to show a baseline

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<v Speaker 1>So things like PCIDSS for payment card data, HPA for

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<v Speaker 1>healthcare info, GDPR for personal data in the EU checking

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<v Speaker 1>the boxes, making sure you're meeting those obligations right.

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<v Speaker 2>But here's the thing. Compliance doesn't equal security.

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<v Speaker 1>I can see that you could be following all the

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<v Speaker 1>rules but still have vulnerabilities that attackers could exploit exactly.

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<v Speaker 2>The book warns about the potential pitfalls of this approach.

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<v Speaker 2>Organizations should focus on a comprehensive security program that addresses

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<v Speaker 1>So compliance is important, but it shouldn't be the only

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<v Speaker 2>Couldn't agree more, It's just one piece of the puzzle.

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<v Speaker 1>Okay, Let's move on to a strategy that's getting a

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<v Speaker 1>lot of attention, attack centric security. What's the main idea?

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<v Speaker 2>Attack centric is about understanding your adversary, building your defenses

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<v Speaker 2>based on that, proactively identifying and blocking the most common

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<v Speaker 2>attack paths, not just reacting after the fact.

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<v Speaker 1>So instead of defending against everything, you're focusing on how

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<v Speaker 1>attackers actually.

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<v Speaker 2>Work, exactly, like studying your opponent's moves developing counter strategies.

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<v Speaker 1>I like that. So it's targeted and proactive, but how

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<v Speaker 2>The book recommends frameworks like the Intrusion kill Chain. It

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<v Speaker 2>breaks down a cyber attack into stages helps you identify

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<v Speaker 2>potential attack paths, develop mitigations. They also emphasize using threat

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<v Speaker 2>intelligence attack emulations to understand attacker behavior test your defenses.

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<v Speaker 1>So using data and simulations to understand how attackers work

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<v Speaker 1>and then building your defenses based.

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<v Speaker 2>On that precisely. And one of the benefits of this

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<v Speaker 1>Makes sense. You can't protect against everything, right.

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<v Speaker 2>Got to focus on the most likely scenarios, and it

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<v Speaker 2>encourages that proactive threat hunting continuous improvement.

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<v Speaker 1>It's like a strategy that's constantly adapting. But I imagine

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<v Speaker 1>it comes with challenges too.

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<v Speaker 2>It does. It can be complex, resource intensive. You need

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<v Speaker 2>specialized skills, good pled intelligence, the ability to run realistic simulation.

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<v Speaker 1>Not a quick fix needs commitment.

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<v Speaker 2>Investment for sure, but for organizations that are serious about security,

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<v Speaker 2>attack centric can be a game changer.

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<v Speaker 1>Okay, let's talk about zero trust. Seems like the latest

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<v Speaker 1>buzzword in cybersecurity. What does it actually mean?

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<v Speaker 2>Zero trust is based on the idea of never trust,

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<v Speaker 2>always verify. It assumes that no user, system or device

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<v Speaker 2>should be trusted by default, no matter where they are,

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<v Speaker 2>what network they're on. Every access request needs to be authenticated, authorized.

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<v Speaker 1>Like having a security checkpoint at every door, not just

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<v Speaker 1>the main entrance exactly.

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<v Speaker 2>Constantly verifying identities, permissions, making sure only the right people

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<v Speaker 2>and devices can access resources.

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<v Speaker 1>Super important with cloud computing and remote work.

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<v Speaker 2>Absolutely when you don't have that traditional perimeter, identity becomes

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<v Speaker 2>even more crucial.

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<v Speaker 1>So what are the key pieces of a zero trust strategy?

447
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<v Speaker 2>Strong identity management is a must. Micro segmentation of networks,

448
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<v Speaker 2>continuous monitoring, multi factor authentication all important. Creating a defense

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<v Speaker 2>in depth approach. Assume breaches will happen, focus on limiting

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<v Speaker 2>the damage.

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<v Speaker 1>So not just preventing breaches, but containing them too.

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<v Speaker 2>Right, assume attackers might already be inside, and take steps

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<v Speaker 2>to limit what they can do, like.

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<v Speaker 1>A security system that traps intruders so they can't do

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<v Speaker 1>much damage. I like that, But what are the challenges

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<v Speaker 1>of implementing zero trust? Seems like a big change in

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<v Speaker 1>how we think about security.

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<v Speaker 2>It is. It's not a quick fix. It needs careful planning,

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<v Speaker 2>significant investment, and a commitment to change from the top down.

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<v Speaker 1>A major undertaking, but potentially big rewards in terms of security.

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<v Speaker 2>For sure, when you're dealing with sophisticated threats, complex it,

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<v Speaker 2>zero trust can be very effective.

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<v Speaker 1>Okay, last been not least DevOps. I know it's a

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<v Speaker 1>software development methodology, but how does it relate to security?

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<v Speaker 2>DevOps is all about collaboration, development and operations teams working together,

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<v Speaker 2>and that impacts security directly. It promotes automation, continuous integration,

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<v Speaker 2>and delivery a shared responsibility for security.

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<v Speaker 1>So in set of security being its own thing, it's

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<v Speaker 1>part of the development process from the start exactly.

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<v Speaker 2>Shift security left, make it part of the software development

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<v Speaker 2>life cycle.

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<v Speaker 1>What are the advantages of that?

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<v Speaker 2>By automating security testing incorporating best practices into development, you

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<v Speaker 2>can prevent a lot of vulnerabilities from ever being introduced,

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<v Speaker 2>and DevOps helps you fix vulnerabilities faster, streamlining the patching

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<v Speaker 2>and deployment.

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<v Speaker 1>Process, building security into the foundation, not bolting it on

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<v Speaker 1>later exactly. But I imagine they're challenges too.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, it requires a cultural shift, close collaboration between dev

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<v Speaker 2>ops and security teams, and integrating security testing into CICD

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<v Speaker 2>pipelines without slowing things down can be tricky.

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<v Speaker 1>So planning an adaptation or key that's right. Okay, we've

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<v Speaker 1>gotten a taste of all these different strategies. Now let's

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<v Speaker 1>talk about how to actually implement one. The book uses

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<v Speaker 1>the attack centric strategy as an example, using the intrusion

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<v Speaker 1>kill chain framework.

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<v Speaker 2>Great choice. The intrusion kill chain helps us break down

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<v Speaker 2>and attack into stages. Lets us map our controls, find gaps,

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<v Speaker 2>develop a roadmap.

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<v Speaker 1>Sounds very systematic, actionable.

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<v Speaker 2>It is, and it can be used by a lot

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<v Speaker 2>of different organizations industries.

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<v Speaker 1>Excited to get into the details. See how it all works.

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<v Speaker 2>First step is to map your existing controls to the

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<v Speaker 2>different stages of an attack.

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<v Speaker 1>So taking inventory of our security tools seeing how they

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<v Speaker 1>line up with the attack phases.

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<v Speaker 2>Perfect analogy. It's about understanding what you have and where

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<v Speaker 2>you might have holes.

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<v Speaker 1>But how do we actually do that? Mapping?

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<v Speaker 2>The book suggests, using a simple matrix or spreadsheet, list

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<v Speaker 2>each stage of the intrusion kill chain. Then for each stage,

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<v Speaker 2>identify the controls you have that could help prevent, detect,

504
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<v Speaker 2>or respond to an attack at that stage.

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<v Speaker 1>So we can visualize how our defenses match up with

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<v Speaker 1>attack or behavior. Helps us find our strengths and where

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<v Speaker 1>we need to improve exactly. But mapping isn't enough, is it?

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<v Speaker 1>We also need to know how effective those controls are

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<v Speaker 1>if they're being used correctly.

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<v Speaker 2>You're right, Mapping is just the start. We also need

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<v Speaker 2>to assess the maturity of those controls, how well they're implemented, configured, maintained.

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<v Speaker 1>So having the right tools isn't enough.

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<v Speaker 2>Got to use them right, exactly. A poorly implemented control

514
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<v Speaker 2>is almost as bad as having no control.

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<v Speaker 1>How do we assess that maturity?

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<v Speaker 2>Some organizations use a maturity scale from level zero meaning

517
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<v Speaker 2>no control, to level three fully implemented and optimized. It's

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<v Speaker 2>a way to measure how effective each control is and

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<v Speaker 2>pinpoint areas for improvement.

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<v Speaker 1>So it's not just a checklist, it's a deeper evaluation.

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<v Speaker 1>You got it. So we've mapped controls assess their maturity.

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<v Speaker 1>What's next?

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<v Speaker 2>Next? We find the gaps in our defenses, look for

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<v Speaker 2>areas where we have no controls or where existing controls

525
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<v Speaker 2>are weak ineffective.

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<v Speaker 1>Searching for holes in the armor where attackers could slip through.

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<v Speaker 2>Exactly?

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<v Speaker 1>Is it just looking at our control matrix seeing where

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<v Speaker 1>there are blanks.

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<v Speaker 2>It's more than that. We need to think about how

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<v Speaker 2>effective our controls are, whether they're actually addressing the right threats.

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<v Speaker 1>So not just missing controls, but controls It might be outdated, misconfigured,

533
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<v Speaker 1>or just not effective against the latest attack methods exactly.

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<v Speaker 2>And there are tools and techniques we can use to

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<v Speaker 2>find these gaps threat modeling, vulnerability scanning, penetration testing, even

536
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<v Speaker 2>red teaming exercises a.

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<v Speaker 1>Mix of analysis and simulation to get the full picture

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<v Speaker 1>for sure.

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<v Speaker 2>And once we've found those gaps, we can start building

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<v Speaker 2>a roadmap for improvement.

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<v Speaker 1>Our battle plan for stronger defenses, figuring out which weaknesses

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<v Speaker 1>to tackle first, how to fix them, what factors determine

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<v Speaker 1>how we prioritize.

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<v Speaker 2>We need to think about the severity of the risk,

545
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<v Speaker 2>the likelihood of an attack, the potential damage, and of

546
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<v Speaker 2>course the cost and complexity of implementing new controls.

547
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<v Speaker 1>A strategic risk based approach.

548
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<v Speaker 2>It is, and it's important to remember that a roadmap

549
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<v Speaker 2>for improvement it's a living document, not set in stone.

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<v Speaker 2>You might have some short term actions like patching a

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<v Speaker 2>critical vulnerability and some long term goals like implementing multi

552
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<v Speaker 2>factor authentication everywhere, so.

553
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<v Speaker 1>Tackling the urgent stuff now while planning for the.

554
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<v Speaker 2>Future exactly, and as the threat landscape changes as your

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<v Speaker 2>organization evolves, your roadmap needs to adapt to.

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<v Speaker 1>We've talked a lot about defenses and strategies, but how

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<v Speaker 1>do we know if any of this is actually working?

558
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<v Speaker 1>How do we measure how effective our cybersecurity program is?

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<v Speaker 2>That's the million dollar question. The book emphasizes using data

560
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<v Speaker 2>analysis and intrusion reconstruction exercises. It's about gathering evidence to

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<v Speaker 2>see if our controls are working, if our strategy is

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<v Speaker 2>actually making things more secure.

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<v Speaker 1>So not just having a plan, but test it.

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<v Speaker 2>Seeing if our strategy is actually making things more.

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<v Speaker 1>Secure, So not just having a plan, but testing it, seeing.

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<v Speaker 2>If it holds up, exactly like a scientist testing a hypothesis.

567
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<v Speaker 2>Collect the data, analyze the results, see if your theory works.

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<v Speaker 1>I like that. What kind of data should we be

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<v Speaker 1>looking at?

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<v Speaker 2>Lots of good sources? Security logs, incident reports, vulnerability scan results,

571
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<v Speaker 2>penetration testing reports, threat intel feeds, putting it all together

572
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<v Speaker 2>to get a complete picture of your security.

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<v Speaker 1>So we're looking for signs that our defenses are working. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>that our strategy is making it harder for attackers. Any

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<v Speaker 1>specific metrics we can track, Oh.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, definitely. The book mentions a few the number of

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<v Speaker 2>successful attacks, how long it takes to detect and respond

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<v Speaker 2>to incidents, the number of vulnerabilities found and patched, your

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<v Speaker 2>overall risk score.

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<v Speaker 1>So putting numbers to our security performance, tracking progress exactly.

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<v Speaker 2>But data analysis isn't always enough. The book also talks

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<v Speaker 2>about intrusion reconstruction exercises.

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<v Speaker 1>Intrusion reconstruction exercises, what are those?

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<v Speaker 2>It's basically simulating a real attack and then analyzing the

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<v Speaker 2>data to see how your defenses did. It's a way

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<v Speaker 2>to test your detection and response under pressure, find areas

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<v Speaker 2>for improvement.

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<v Speaker 1>So a wargame for cybersecurity, staging a mock battle to

589
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<v Speaker 1>see how our troops would respond where we need to

590
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<v Speaker 1>strengthen our defenses exactly.

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<v Speaker 2>And these exercises can be really valuable. They can uncover

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<v Speaker 2>weaknesses you might not find otherwise.

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<v Speaker 1>How do you actually run one of these exercises.

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<v Speaker 2>You need the right tools and expertise, threat intelligence, attack

595
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<v Speaker 2>simulation platforms, analyzing security logs all that, and you need

596
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<v Speaker 2>a skilled team of security analysts, people who can interpret

597
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<v Speaker 2>the data and figure out what it means.

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<v Speaker 1>So it's not just about the tech, it's about the

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<v Speaker 1>people using it right.

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<v Speaker 2>And once you've run the exercise, the real work begins.

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<v Speaker 2>You've got to dig in. Find the root causes of

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<v Speaker 2>any control failures.

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<v Speaker 1>Like a post mortem of the battle, figure out why

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<v Speaker 1>we lost, what we can do differently next.

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<v Speaker 2>Time, exactly, learn from mistakes, continuously improve, and.

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<v Speaker 1>Once we understand why our defenses failed, we can take

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<v Speaker 1>steps to fix those issues. Right. Maybe you update our controls,

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<v Speaker 1>improve processes, even revise our whole strategy.

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<v Speaker 2>You got it. Intrusion reconstruction is all about finding weaknesses

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<v Speaker 2>and fixing them.

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<v Speaker 1>Sounds valuable, but also pretty complex.

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<v Speaker 2>Time consuming it can be, but the insights are worth

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<v Speaker 2>It helps you validate your strategy, find vulnerabilities, improve your

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<v Speaker 2>overall resilience.

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<v Speaker 1>So an investment worth making. Okay, shifting gears a bit,

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<v Speaker 1>let's talk about vulnerability management, super important for any security strategy.

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<v Speaker 1>The book had some really practical advice here. One thing

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<v Speaker 1>that stuck out was the emphasis on vulnerability management being

619
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<v Speaker 1>an ongoing process and not a one time fix.

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<v Speaker 2>Absolutely, it's not about patching a few things and calling

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<v Speaker 2>it a day. Continuous monitoring, assessment, remediation. That's the key.

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<v Speaker 1>So being proactive, staying ahead of the curve exactly.

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<v Speaker 2>And one of the first steps is understanding the scope.

624
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<v Speaker 2>Organizations need an accurate inventory of all their assets, hardware, software, everything.

625
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<v Speaker 2>It's like having a blueprint of your house, so you

626
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<v Speaker 2>know what you need to protect.

627
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<v Speaker 1>Can't secure what you don't know you have exactly.

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<v Speaker 2>Once you've got your inventory, you can start finding those vulnerabilities,

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<v Speaker 2>prioritize them based on how severe they are, how likely

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<v Speaker 2>they are to be exploited.

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<v Speaker 1>So we're not treating all vulnerabilities the same, Nope.

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<v Speaker 2>Got to focus on the ones that pose the biggest risk.

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<v Speaker 2>That's where threat intelligence is so helpful. Knowing which vulnerabilities

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<v Speaker 2>are being actively exploited helps you prioritize patching. Focus on

635
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<v Speaker 2>the most urgent threats, like.

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<v Speaker 1>A triage system, addressing the most critical cases first. Once

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<v Speaker 1>we've prioritized, how do we actually patch them?

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<v Speaker 2>Well, there are a few approaches we talked about some earlier.

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<v Speaker 2>Some go for patching everything asap. Others are more measured,

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<v Speaker 2>prioritize based on severity exploitability. It's about finding the right

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<v Speaker 2>balance considering your risk tolerance, how much disruption patches might cause.

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<v Speaker 1>So it's a balancing act.

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<v Speaker 2>It can be you want to patch fast to reduce

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<v Speaker 2>your exposure but you don't want to rush and break

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<v Speaker 2>something important.

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<v Speaker 1>The book also talked about testing patches before deploying.

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<v Speaker 2>Them right, absolutely, especially for those critical systems. You don't

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<v Speaker 2>want a patch to cause more problems than it solves.

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<v Speaker 2>Having a rollback plan is a good idea too, just

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<v Speaker 2>in case.

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<v Speaker 1>So having a safety net better safe.

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<v Speaker 2>Than sorry, exactly. And remember, vulnerability management isn't just about patching.

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<v Speaker 2>Security misconfigurations can be just as risky right.

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<v Speaker 1>Making sure systems are configured correctly, security settings are enforced,

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<v Speaker 1>simple oversights can be big problems.

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<v Speaker 2>Absolutely, and the book stresses the need for ongoing monitoring assessment.

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<v Speaker 2>Vulnerability management isn't a one time thing. It's a continuous process.

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<v Speaker 1>So always on the lookout, scanning for new vulnerabilities, making

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<v Speaker 1>sure our defenses are still strong.

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<v Speaker 2>That's how you stay ahead of the attackers. They're always changing,

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<v Speaker 2>so we have to change too.

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<v Speaker 1>This has been a great conversation. We've covered so much,

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<v Speaker 1>from the threats we face to the strategies we can use.

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<v Speaker 2>It's been fascinating exploring this complex world of cybersecurity.

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<v Speaker 1>And as we've learned, it's not just an IT problem.

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<v Speaker 1>It's everyone's responsibility. Individuals businesses, governments.

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<v Speaker 2>Couldn't agree more. Cybersecurity is a shared responsibility, something we

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<v Speaker 2>all need to be talking about.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, it really is a team effort. We all need

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<v Speaker 1>to do our part. We've covered a ton in this

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<v Speaker 1>deep dive, vulnerabilities, malware, governments, all the different strategies.

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<v Speaker 2>It's been quite a journey for sure.

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<v Speaker 1>And one of the big things that's come up cybersecurity

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<v Speaker 1>isn't just an IT problem anymore. It affects everyone, individuals, businesses, governments.

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<v Speaker 1>We're all in this together.

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<v Speaker 2>I completely agree. It's a shared responsibility and something we

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<v Speaker 2>all need to be taking seriously, especially now.

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<v Speaker 1>So as we wrap up, what are some of the

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<v Speaker 1>key things you hope our listeners take away from this?

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<v Speaker 2>You know, if I had to pick one, it's that

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<v Speaker 2>knowledge is power when it comes to cybersecurity. The more

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<v Speaker 2>you understand the threats, the strategies, the better prepared you'll

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<v Speaker 2>be to protect yourself your organization.

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<v Speaker 1>So be informed, being proactive, not just hoping for.

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<v Speaker 2>The best exactly. And remember it's a journey, not a destination.

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<v Speaker 2>The threats are always changing, so we have to keep learning,

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<v Speaker 2>keep adapting.

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<v Speaker 1>Well said, I hope this deep dive has given our

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<v Speaker 1>listeners the tools they need to navigate the digital world

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<v Speaker 1>safely and securely. Thanks for joining us on this exploration

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<v Speaker 1>of cybersecurity.

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<v Speaker 2>It's been a pleasure.

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<v Speaker 1>I hope you found it as informative and engaging as

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<v Speaker 1>we did.

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<v Speaker 2>Stay safe out there and never stop learning.

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<v Speaker 1>Thanks for listening, and we'll see you next time.
