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Speaker 2: We got some one or something rolling around out here.

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See what it was?

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Speaker 3: Was it a person or an animal?

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Speaker 4: Or I can't go.

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Speaker 3: I know that my thunderweight came on and I did

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that with a Glenn be the thing running across the other.

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Speaker 2: Good by man, there's something looked by the name. I

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don't know what it was.

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Speaker 3: Back in two thousand and five, we set out with

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one goal to give voice to the mystery and those

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who pursue it. Sasquatch Experience Podcast has been your go

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to source for serious Bigfoot discussion, where we separate fact

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from folklore.

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Speaker 5: Always grounded in research and respect.

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Speaker 3: We've interviewed eyewitnesses, experts since to the like because understanding

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Bigfort isn't just about belief, It's about the journey. Nearly

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two decades later, we're still chasing shadows and sharing stories.

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The search never stopped. Welcome to the Sasquatch Experience.

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Speaker 2: Hello, get somebody out here, and good evening.

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Speaker 3: Everyone, Welcome to the Sasquatch Experience, returning here Monday, November tenth,

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twenty twenty five. Guys, it's great to be back on

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the air after an impromptu hiatus. Life really kicked us

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Speaker 1: In the Yeah, okay, kibbles and bits, tweets and Berry Wow.

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Speaker 6: We.

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Speaker 3: Have overcome and here we are. But I wanted to

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just take a moment and just kick off tonight's show

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with a little.

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Speaker 5: Memoriam.

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Speaker 3: If you look up there in the corner, Billy Green

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passed away in the middle of October while we were

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on hiatus. Bill was a big part of our show

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in the early days on blog talk radio. Yeah, and

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it sounds like we have Henry somewhere on Everybuddy's I'll

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just meet him until he's ready to come on, as

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we've had no he's not popping up anyhow. As we

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had Bill on the program with us back in the

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day when we were more of a call in show

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than we were a I don't know, I guess a

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full fledged podcast.

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Speaker 5: At the time.

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Speaker 3: Bill would always call in and want to know what's

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the latest and Bigfoot research and if we had a

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guest on such as can our guest tonight. He would

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ask what's the latest in his area and what was

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new in his research, and just kind of I called

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him the ambassador of goodwill for Bigfoot. You know, Bill,

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what you see is what you get. He didn't have

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any ulterior motives.

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Speaker 5: He was a good.

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Speaker 3: Cat and a good friend, and we're going to miss

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him pretty tremendously, a big part of us as we

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got started. And just rest in peace, Bill Green. And

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now you have the answers to everything you were seeking,

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my friends. So to our friends, his friends and family

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and our friends, we send our condolences. And he's going

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to be missed. I'll tell you that.

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Speaker 1: Here here God speed.

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Speaker 3: It's just been a long, long year for us in

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the big Foot field. A happy Veterans Day to all

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our listeners out there, especially those who have served and

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Vance and Matt for their service. Thank you very much,

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gentlemen for taking the time out of your busy lives

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and to serve this great nation.

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Speaker 5: We really appreciate it.

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Speaker 3: And the final piece I'll add before we move on

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to reading Ken's bio with Squatch out Hunger, Guys, we

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still have a long ways to go to hit our goal.

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I guess even more so now than ever with everything

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Speaker 3: Unstable the environment is, you know, the least we could

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do is take a moment an opportunity to feed a neighbor.

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make sure folks don't go without food. Insecurity is one

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of the largest causes of depression and anxiety through all

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age groups, whether you're a child or you're a senior citizens.

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the joyous festivities around food. Let's open our hearts and

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our wallets and get squatch out Hunger furnished up as

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I'll kick it over to you vance to get us

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kicked off and Ken, thanks for joining us tonight. Ken's

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with us going through the news, so we appreciate the

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extra time Ken spent with us so far.

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Speaker 5: It's great to be here. Thank you, so folks.

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Speaker 3: Ken is a renowned cryptos whologist, author, and television personality

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whose lifelong quest has taken him deep into the mystery

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of Sasquatch and other cryptozoological topics. With field investigation spanning

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six continents and nearly every corner of the United States,

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Ken has become a leading voice in the search for

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elusive creatures. He's the author of the Essential Guide to

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Bigfoot and has appeared in over one hundred television episodes,

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including Monster Quest, Missing in Alaska, which is one of

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my favorites and The Proof Is Out There. Ken's research

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blend's folklore, witness accounts, and scientific inquiry, making him a

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respected figure in both academic and paranormal circles. Whether trekking

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through remote forces or speaking at conferences nationwide, Ken continues

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America's most legendary cryptis. And that's our guest tonight, Ken

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again thanks for joining us, buddy in vance, I'll let

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Speaker 7: Thanks Sean.

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Speaker 1: Well, one question I did have for you, Ken in

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your neck of the woods where you live now, which

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none of us will give out that location, but is

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there any hotspots in your area?

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me is a very iconic hot spot I guess place Pulled,

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first time. It was a pretty amazing experience, but actually

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my table and he said he had found a pretty

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Speaker 7: Near where I'm living now.

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Speaker 6: So he actually knew me to locate the exact location.

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but you know, I'm close to the Adirondacks cat Skills obviously,

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how there is an active team out here, and of

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Alleghany Mountains there. I heard a really good report from

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the Alleghanies. Recently, a couple came up to my table

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at the last event and they were very credible. They said,

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we never gave Bigfoot a second thought. We thought it

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was a joke, a legend, whatever. And we saw this

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thing running up the hill on two legs and it

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Speaker 7: Man?

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Speaker 6: I get asked that all the time, honestly, Yeah, And

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Speaker 1: Well, after this, nobody will ever ask that question again

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because everyone will see it.

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Speaker 6: I used to joke with people that my friends who

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it's like choosing your favorite kid, and they'd.

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Speaker 9: Pull me say yeah, you do have a favorite.

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Speaker 6: I didn't know that, but no, honestly, people ask me

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that a lot. I love investigating all of them, you know,

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the diversity is really attractive to me, in the diversity

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of the field. But I guess I always kind of

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you know, twenty five years ago or whatever, is investigating reports.

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many reports. I have a pretty active database of a

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couple hundred fairly credible sightings, and I don't know, honestly,

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it seems far less credible or probable than something like this.

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see a giant bird with a fifteen or twenty foot

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Speaker 7: I think that would be pretty cool.

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Speaker 3: Ken At the last conference that Matt and I did

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report with us, and he said, this thing had at

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least a fifteen foot wingspan on it, and he felt

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like it swooped down at him when he was in

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his backyard, and he said the only thing that he

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back was against the wall of his building and felt

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like I said, huge blackbird with a fifteen foot wingspan.

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Speaker 5: And I don't know, Matt.

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Speaker 3: After you and I talked to him, I was pretty

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it sounds very similar to the to the condors, but

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he said, this was just so much bigger. The other

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Speaker 10: So you're in You're in a great area.

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name right now. I guess it's it's a little bit

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back in the day that were collecting around of ports.

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now kind of fire up, but the Susquehanna River Valley

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in north central Pia Potter County, Powder's Port, Kettle Creek,

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Jersey Shore where a lot of those places long history

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and tradition of thunderbird reports.

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and actually right near our area. So we got to

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with us and our research area. I think you'd be

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pretty I think you'd like it out here, to be honest.

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up there, not too dissimilar from here. But yeah, that's

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definitely right. And actually coincidentally, there's a Golden eagle migration

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going over right now. We have a bird watch that

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and help the Audubon Society and you got to be

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willing to really brave the coal. But I'm really looking

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forward to trying to see this Golden Eagle migration as

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Speaker 7: That's going to be pretty amazing.

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Speaker 5: So well, that's pretty interesting. I wasn't aware of that.

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Speaker 3: That is there a particular like, is that an ongoing

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Speaker 6: I guess there's a specific time we went up there

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and this is the time of year where they mate

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spring they're building the nest. So yeah, they kind of

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congregate together, and you know, it's kind of like a

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hawk nightclub.

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Speaker 5: I guess I'm not sure.

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Speaker 1: Here, I'll pass along a real interesting little tidbit. Fact,

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less than five miles from More I'm at, which I'm

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thirty miles due west of Chicago. Every spring, we have

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a Pelican migration that comes within two miles of where

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I'm at, and they just load the lake up with pelicans.

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I'm like, who would have thought you know, northern Illinois

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would have pelicans, but yeah.

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Speaker 5: We do. So the show's really gone to the birds.

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Speaker 1: Yeah it as will see what you did there, dad joker.

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Speaker 3: Yeah right, anyway, I'm sorry I digress, but no, I

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mean those thunderbirds are a huge part of cryptozoology. I

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mean it's something that doesn't often get talked about in circles.

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The only time can I really get to talk about

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is when I see Stan Gordon m oh.

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Speaker 6: Yeah, right, stands awesome. He'll uh every time, He'll leave

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messages on my phone all the time. Ken, I've got

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a thunder report marse sixteenth nineteen, names two four individuals and.

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Speaker 8: Such a sense.

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Speaker 7: He's like a paper reporter. Stan is awesome though funny,

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you know he's great.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, he is great.

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Speaker 3: He's got great recall and ye like he's the same

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with me. Kenny's always sending those reports over and like

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with with stanying to get like two seconds of pleasantries

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and it's right in the business.

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Speaker 2: Love.

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Speaker 5: I love it.

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Speaker 3: But you know, more so you moved out to the east,

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which is you know you moved back to the East.

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Speaker 6: Correct, No, I wouldn't really say back. I kind of

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moved back to the north north right right, And I

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was texting my friend in Buffalo today. I said, Man,

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it's it's started snowing out here today. It's November eighth.

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I haven't experienced this for fifty years, which basically I

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grew up in Minnesota. So when I was born in

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Michigan and grew up in Minnesota, so I was about

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maybe eleven, So I remember, you know, snow, And I've

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worked in Alaska and Canada and stuff, so I've encountered snow.

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going I'm driving, so hmm.

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Speaker 1: It's like riding a bike though, come on, you don't

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forget Yeah.

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Speaker 5: No, you don't, like write a squad right right down.

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Speaker 3: So I mean, aside from the Thunderbirds there, Ken, what

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drew you into the Bigfoot mystery? What what hooked you?

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Speaker 2: Oh? Man?

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Speaker 6: Well, what I always tell people, you know, I grew

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up loving monster movies. I was raised on Godzilla movies

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and Creature from the Black Lagoon and all that good

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stuff from the back in the day. And my father

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was a forestry professor. He taught at Michigan State and

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then the University of Minnesota.

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Speaker 7: But so I kind of.

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Speaker 6: Grew up in the woods, and it was a big

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collector of critters, you know, salamanders and snakes, and my

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first pet was a caman alligator and so I so,

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when I was about eight or nine years old, I

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was watching Saturday morning cartoons, probably Scooby Doo and Memory

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Surgery correctly, and there was a news break and they

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did a little short segment on bigfoot. I'd never heard

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of it before, and they showed a clip from the

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Patterson Gimlin film pictures of guys holding plaster footprints, and

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it was just it was like a light came on.

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I thought it was the most amazing thing ever, that

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this thing seemed like an animal of some kind unknown

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to science or whatever. But it was also kind of

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a monster, you know, big and hairy and scary and monstrous.

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Speaker 7: And so.

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Speaker 6: It's just been a lifelong passion of mine. I certainly

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never planned to make a career out of it. I've

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just been very blessed and you know, just stuck with

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my passion or obsession, I guess. But I tell people

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I've never seen one. I've been researching for decades. I'm

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convinced I've heard them a few times at close range.

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I've found other physical trace evidence, footprints and things, and

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of course I've interviewed hundreds of people that have had

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amazing experiences encounters, and so it all becomes very convincing,

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you know after a while.

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Speaker 3: Right, yeah, no doubt, Ken, you know what's foreign to

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me is at times you know, we've you know, been

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arguing over the Patterson give On film, not arguing. I

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think most of us can settle on it actually you know,

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probably being a creature more than a man in the suit.

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as with most people, when I first saw that when

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even did I go to that's a man in a suit.

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I guess kind of the question for everybody in the panel,

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for those of us that do you know or do

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think you know? Lean more towards the Patterson film being real.

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look at that and say it's a man in a suit,

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Like where did that first inclination come from? Like even

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trying to play Devil's Advocate, I can't see it right.

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Speaker 1: Well, the interesting just an interesting little tidbit to throw

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into that is, when that was shot, Planet of the

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Apes was a thing. Now, I'm sorry, the costumin a

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Planet of the Apes was nothing compared to what you

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saw with Patty. But Ken, I need to ask you

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a question because your experience is extremely similar to mine.

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I was watching Svengouli and they broke in on Sengouli

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and showed the same thing that you just described. But

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my question to you is, did you think at that

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time when you saw it, that was the only creature

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that existed?

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Speaker 6: Oh, Ben, I can't say that, but I'm gonna channel.

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I actually have a piece of the Patterson Gimmon film

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site right here. This is a piece of the Biggest

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Night you see laying across. It's still there. It's rotty

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and stuff.

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Speaker 1: But uh.

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Speaker 7: No, I never never really thought that.

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Speaker 6: Well, I mean, I guess when I thought there there

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was just the film from California and the footprints, I

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guess I thought it was maybe more of a of

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a West coast.

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Speaker 2: There was a.

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Speaker 6: Population over there, you know, in the area of northern California,

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in that deep wilderness area. And then of course the

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uh short either after I watched the Legend of Boggy

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Creek and you know, a huge influence on many big

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Foot researches of my generation. And what that did is

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it shifted the paradigm of Bigfoot from the West right

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in the United States. And you know, they never really

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say the name Bigfoot in the film. I think they

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say Yetti one time, right obviously what they're talking about

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in the movie, like that's Bigfoot and now it's in Arkansas.

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You know, So that kind of opened up that whole

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my whole perspective in terms of, okay, wow, these things

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are you know, spread out across the US or something.

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Speaker 1: So well, especially with technology becoming what it is today,

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there's a lot more reports that are influx especially with

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you know, sites like DFRO, and people have a little

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bit easier of a time having their experience and a

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place to put their experience, whereas back in the sixties,

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seventies and eighties that just wasn't a thing unless you

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wrote a book and then you have to hope, you know,

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that somebody would buy your book or check it out

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from the library. But you know, so yeah, at different times,

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more reports.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I just kind of took a little heat for

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that when I said, you know, in like the seventies

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and eighties, there wasn't a whole lot of literature on

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it like there is now, and by it there's not

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like even libraries maybe had a handful of books if

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you were lucky. And you know, just today and Ken,

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you've been a contributor to that, you know, writing books

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on the subject that didn't exist when we.

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Speaker 2: Were younger men.

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Speaker 3: You know, we really had to wait for information as

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opposed to now when it's at our fingertips. How do

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you think technologies advanced this field? Do you think in

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terms of the dissemination of information it's been overwhelmingly positive

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or do you think it's been given a lot of

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opportunities or you know, what do you really think?

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Speaker 6: Well, that's a great question, Sean. I guess, first off,

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social media has been a huge I think that has

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been a huge contributing factor in terms of the well,

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for example of my own situation. You know, it's been

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a lifelong interest of mine. But then when the Internet

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came out in the late nineties, you got online and

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you could find, oh there's other people interested in bigfoot.

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There's a forum here, and there's a group here and

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it was like there was suddenly there was networking, and

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so I kind of cut my teeth, you know. I

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joined a Bigfoot group back in the day through this

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group and showed up at a conference and met people

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like Lauren Coleman and John Binder Nagel and stuff, and

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then it was like, you know, so definitely social media

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has been a positive contributing factor in terms of bringing

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people together and collaboration.

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Speaker 2: You know.

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Speaker 6: On the other hand, I find now that I'm constantly

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having to spend a lot of my presentation time sort

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of challenging a lot of these kind of misrepresentations online,

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you know, bad information and falsehoods and assumptions that people have,

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Oh I heard this and I read that, and you

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have to say, no, that's that was debunked. You know,

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here's the actual story and so forth.

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Speaker 7: So it's it's.

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Speaker 6: Very difficult for people that are on the outside of

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the Bigfoot field, I think, perhaps to figure out what

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is what.

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Speaker 7: Is the truth? You know, is it?

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Speaker 6: So? So yeah, the technology is kind of you know,

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like everything in life, it's a double edged sword, right,

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so you take the good and the bad there. But

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you know, I think with AI and this is I've

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become a strong advocate now of you know, with AI,

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now we really have to completely disregard any photographic evidence, right,

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Are we beyond photograph photos and videos?

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Speaker 7: At this point?

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Speaker 6: I feel like, you know, what's what's the merit there

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in terms of if people are so are able to

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so easily create videos and.

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Speaker 1: Right right, and I can only imagine that probably three

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to five years from now, it's just going to be

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practically impossible to tell AI from an actual footage unless

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we go back to the original way of doing things,

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which Sean and I have discussed on the show a

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number of times. To use actual film where you can't

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manipulate it.

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Speaker 5: Well, you know, it's a lot harder to do.

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Speaker 2: Yes, it's a lot harder.

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Speaker 1: But if you're shooting something, you know, on sixteen mil

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or whatever, just a film camera or movie, no, that

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would be pretty convincing. Maybe the high definition of it

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wouldn't be as good, but you know, try going to

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the Walmart and buy a camera. Good luck with that.

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Speaker 11: But I think, oh, sorry, but I think a conversation

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that was had on Stark Talk with Neil de grasse

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Tyson was he said, the Internet's going to do itself

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in in about five years, because there's.

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Speaker 12: Going to be so many fake videos that people are

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just not going to believe any of it. And I

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think the same thing is going to happen with this,

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And like we had a rush, you know, we talk

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about this all the time about how we help people

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fake a sighting, we help whatever.

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Speaker 9: We had a rush of fake castings and fake sightings

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and fake whatever, and then eventually people stop listening to them.

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Speaker 3: You know.

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Speaker 11: I mean, like I don't want to I don't want

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to say that I believe in everything the man says.

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Speaker 9: But when a certain man said fake news, he knew

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that was a word that put people on put people

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on track, because unfortunately, we see a lot of it,

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you know, and so you you only got to believe

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a little percentage of what's going on. And I think

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with this feel a lot of it has to do

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with the fact is that people who have kind of

477
00:24:42,359 --> 00:24:45,279
seen something want to see more and want to believe more,

478
00:24:45,720 --> 00:24:48,200
and people that are on the fence want to eat

479
00:24:48,240 --> 00:24:51,480
more of this data up. But like the average person's

480
00:24:51,559 --> 00:24:54,039
kind of like, you know what, this is just too

481
00:24:54,119 --> 00:24:56,880
much and they're walking away. And I think I think

482
00:24:56,920 --> 00:24:59,519
you'll see in the probably next couple of years. That's

483
00:24:59,559 --> 00:25:02,680
what I love of these festivals. They have festivals everywhere,

484
00:25:02,720 --> 00:25:04,960
but a lot of them are getting zipped for attendance

485
00:25:05,039 --> 00:25:11,680
because too many you know, it's there.

486
00:25:10,720 --> 00:25:13,440
Speaker 10: Is, there is and I I just need to interject here,

487
00:25:13,480 --> 00:25:17,400
there is a positive to AI. And we've had this

488
00:25:17,519 --> 00:25:21,839
with our guests like Terrestrial and and our friend that

489
00:25:22,839 --> 00:25:27,680
is a data cruncher where AI uh by we're not

490
00:25:27,720 --> 00:25:31,200
talking about the artistry end of it, but for data

491
00:25:32,359 --> 00:25:37,000
plugging all the all the information in uh it really

492
00:25:37,119 --> 00:25:41,000
does help a lot for those those of us that

493
00:25:41,000 --> 00:25:43,240
are out in the field to get a better idea

494
00:25:43,279 --> 00:25:46,079
on Hey, when's the better time to go out to

495
00:25:46,160 --> 00:25:49,480
the field, or you know, what's a better location, you know,

496
00:25:49,640 --> 00:25:52,319
based on all the data that we got. So it's

497
00:25:52,359 --> 00:25:53,279
a curson of blessing.

498
00:25:54,079 --> 00:25:55,839
Speaker 5: Yeah, that's a good point.

499
00:25:57,359 --> 00:25:59,480
Speaker 3: I think it's like any other tool, guys, it's it's

500
00:25:59,519 --> 00:26:03,599
the intent behind the use of it, and you know,

501
00:26:03,599 --> 00:26:05,400
people are getting bent out of shape about it, but

502
00:26:05,440 --> 00:26:08,079
it's really about how we're choosing to apply it in

503
00:26:08,160 --> 00:26:11,160
what we're doing now. To Ken's point that he had made,

504
00:26:11,440 --> 00:26:15,599
it's getting a lot harder to discern reality from some

505
00:26:15,720 --> 00:26:17,799
of these photographs. So I mean, we can all be

506
00:26:17,920 --> 00:26:20,559
honest and saying that Hollywood still has gotten it down

507
00:26:20,599 --> 00:26:23,440
pat yet right like you look at King Kong and Godzilla,

508
00:26:23,519 --> 00:26:28,039
they still look like CGI generated. Start blending the practical

509
00:26:28,119 --> 00:26:31,440
with the special effect, you start spending time in that,

510
00:26:31,599 --> 00:26:34,960
it does get a lot more difficult to discern. If

511
00:26:36,240 --> 00:26:38,880
and you know to then go to Baker's point, you know,

512
00:26:39,240 --> 00:26:41,200
and when he said we help people hoax, I don't

513
00:26:41,240 --> 00:26:43,480
want people to think, you know, we're out there helping

514
00:26:43,480 --> 00:26:46,400
people hoax. What he's what he's saying, he's not inferring.

515
00:26:46,400 --> 00:26:50,279
What is We put the information out there so much

516
00:26:50,400 --> 00:26:53,960
folks can really have a field day and really create

517
00:26:54,079 --> 00:26:56,799
almost the perfect hosts that our hoax that they listen

518
00:26:56,920 --> 00:27:00,079
to what we're talking about. But you really do a

519
00:27:00,079 --> 00:27:02,720
good job of putting information out there, and if you're

520
00:27:02,839 --> 00:27:06,319
really good at detail, you might be able to pull

521
00:27:06,359 --> 00:27:09,319
it over on us. And so in the quest to

522
00:27:09,400 --> 00:27:15,160
be sharing information and to get information out to the public,

523
00:27:15,200 --> 00:27:19,880
we're also hurting ourselves unintentionally. But it's with anything else again,

524
00:27:19,920 --> 00:27:23,400
it's the intent of the use of the tools, I think,

525
00:27:23,480 --> 00:27:26,720
And but you know, ken to your point, it's going

526
00:27:26,799 --> 00:27:28,759
to get there. Well, we're not going to be able

527
00:27:28,759 --> 00:27:31,480
to tell the difference between what was AI generated and

528
00:27:31,480 --> 00:27:34,880
what was really taken from someone's cell phone or video.

529
00:27:35,000 --> 00:27:39,440
Speaker 1: Well okay, And with that point taken, there may very

530
00:27:39,480 --> 00:27:43,960
well be software in the future that can identify an

531
00:27:44,000 --> 00:27:49,519
AI product that's being put out there by separation digital separation,

532
00:27:50,119 --> 00:27:52,920
and that might be the only saving grace.

533
00:27:53,000 --> 00:27:57,759
Speaker 3: Who's to say it's there now, But there's always a

534
00:27:57,799 --> 00:28:01,559
bigger fish, you know, along the line, someone always got

535
00:28:01,599 --> 00:28:04,279
to break the system and come along and do something better.

536
00:28:04,680 --> 00:28:07,240
We then have to get or we are, someone much

537
00:28:07,319 --> 00:28:11,880
smarter than all of us has to get has to

538
00:28:11,880 --> 00:28:13,680
get into the source code and figure out how they

539
00:28:13,680 --> 00:28:15,119
did it right. They have to be able to look

540
00:28:15,119 --> 00:28:17,400
at something right now. Metadata tells the story of a

541
00:28:17,440 --> 00:28:20,200
lot of things. Uh. You know, when you're able to

542
00:28:20,279 --> 00:28:23,440
start manipulating that and make it seem like nothing's touched it,

543
00:28:23,480 --> 00:28:25,559
then it gets a lot more difficult. And that goes

544
00:28:25,920 --> 00:28:28,079
well beyond mid and comprehensions.

545
00:28:28,119 --> 00:28:31,240
Speaker 1: Guys, So, ken, I don't know if you picked up

546
00:28:31,240 --> 00:28:33,480
on what he just said a minute ago that we're

547
00:28:33,519 --> 00:28:34,400
not that smart.

548
00:28:36,640 --> 00:28:39,160
Speaker 7: I don't know. You guys are making me think about

549
00:28:39,200 --> 00:28:39,559
a lot of the.

550
00:28:41,039 --> 00:28:44,319
Speaker 5: I'm the thing.

551
00:28:44,160 --> 00:28:46,079
Speaker 4: With a lot of this is the other thing that

552
00:28:46,160 --> 00:28:50,720
always you can have real a video that no one manipulated,

553
00:28:50,799 --> 00:28:54,160
but you only show me three seconds. Right, That's where

554
00:28:54,160 --> 00:28:57,039
I have the argument of what were you doing beforehand?

555
00:28:57,119 --> 00:28:58,319
Speaker 5: What were you doing after him?

556
00:28:58,759 --> 00:28:58,960
Speaker 7: You know?

557
00:28:59,000 --> 00:29:02,599
Speaker 13: And I think that's where like, like we've had, we've

558
00:29:02,920 --> 00:29:05,359
you know, we can we could stomp this all day

559
00:29:05,400 --> 00:29:08,640
and still have seven more episodes. But I mean the

560
00:29:08,720 --> 00:29:12,039
fact is that, like I think we just need to

561
00:29:12,119 --> 00:29:16,079
know that, you know, there's a difference between faith and

562
00:29:16,119 --> 00:29:18,519
there's a difference between science, and.

563
00:29:18,440 --> 00:29:20,400
Speaker 9: We all need to be able to blend it, right,

564
00:29:20,440 --> 00:29:23,480
because if you have too much faith, then you then

565
00:29:23,519 --> 00:29:26,359
you everything's a bigfoot, and if you have too much science,

566
00:29:26,400 --> 00:29:27,559
then nothing's a big foot.

567
00:29:28,160 --> 00:29:29,240
Speaker 5: You know, you kind of have to.

568
00:29:29,160 --> 00:29:30,960
Speaker 9: Blend a little bit. You got to believe a little

569
00:29:31,000 --> 00:29:34,119
bit here and there and then but you're also gonna say, hey, uh,

570
00:29:34,200 --> 00:29:35,640
that just doesn't seem right.

571
00:29:35,880 --> 00:29:42,880
Speaker 1: You know, that's a good point. See, now we're a

572
00:29:42,920 --> 00:29:44,079
little bit smarter.

573
00:29:44,240 --> 00:29:45,000
Speaker 5: All right, Right, we.

574
00:29:48,359 --> 00:29:50,160
Speaker 3: Hit the bottom of the hour here, so we're gonna

575
00:29:50,200 --> 00:29:52,039
have to go and take our break. Folks, you're listening

576
00:29:52,079 --> 00:29:56,119
to Sasquatch Experience, Sean Forker, James Baker, Van Stezbat, Henry May,

577
00:29:56,240 --> 00:29:59,160
Matt Arner, and our guests tonight, ken Gerhai, we'll be

578
00:29:59,200 --> 00:30:00,119
back right after this.

579
00:30:00,200 --> 00:30:05,279
Speaker 5: Stay tuned, Newstead A symbol.

580
00:30:11,799 --> 00:30:12,839
Speaker 7: I believe in Bigfoot.

581
00:30:12,880 --> 00:30:15,480
Speaker 3: I think Bigfoot's real, but I think his whole thing

582
00:30:15,920 --> 00:30:16,480
is that.

583
00:30:16,319 --> 00:30:23,279
Speaker 5: He uh, you see what you're camping, here's camping. Your

584
00:30:23,319 --> 00:30:24,519
tent opens up and you're.

585
00:30:24,400 --> 00:30:32,039
Speaker 3: Like, oh man, it's Bigfoot, and he's like, nobody's gonna

586
00:30:32,039 --> 00:30:32,440
believe you.

587
00:30:32,519 --> 00:30:40,160
Speaker 1: Bro Ah, Yes, well doesn't that paint a disturbing picture? Well,

588
00:30:40,200 --> 00:30:43,160
happy evening to you all from the news center here

589
00:30:43,240 --> 00:30:45,880
at the big Foot Bullhorn, and I hope this finds

590
00:30:45,920 --> 00:30:50,519
you all well. And speaking of John Fetterman, there was

591
00:30:50,559 --> 00:30:56,880
a witness account from Pennslvania. The witness the witness, yeah

592
00:30:56,920 --> 00:30:59,960
I know how to speak vance trust me. The witness

593
00:31:00,000 --> 00:31:05,680
a statement is as follows. We were traveling westbound on

594
00:31:05,799 --> 00:31:09,039
I eighty and when he says we, it's he because

595
00:31:09,079 --> 00:31:13,000
the wife later goes on to make her opinion be known.

596
00:31:13,079 --> 00:31:17,240
So this is coming from his perspective. We were traveling

597
00:31:17,279 --> 00:31:20,880
westbound on I eighty in Pennsylvania, which is funny because

598
00:31:21,160 --> 00:31:25,079
I could throw baseballs from my house onto Interstate eighty.

599
00:31:25,759 --> 00:31:27,920
As a matter of fact, there was a mountain lion

600
00:31:28,279 --> 00:31:31,319
that was hit on I eighty, not very far from me.

601
00:31:32,319 --> 00:31:35,200
So go figure, when you think of where I'm at,

602
00:31:35,359 --> 00:31:38,039
I'm sure you think of a metropolis, and it's really

603
00:31:38,079 --> 00:31:40,720
not where I'm at. But anyway, this isn't about me.

604
00:31:41,640 --> 00:31:46,319
They were near mile marker one sixty nine no snicker

605
00:31:46,319 --> 00:31:50,160
in Baker, following another car which was about one hundred

606
00:31:50,160 --> 00:31:53,440
and fifty yards ahead of me. I was matching traffic

607
00:31:53,480 --> 00:31:57,200
speed at seventy seven miles an hour. There are four

608
00:31:57,279 --> 00:32:01,480
lanes of paved roadway, two for driving on, and then

609
00:32:01,519 --> 00:32:04,640
there's a shoulder on each side. Looking ahead at the

610
00:32:04,720 --> 00:32:08,519
car in front, I noticed something in the center of

611
00:32:08,599 --> 00:32:12,720
the right shoulder. It began moving to the left towards

612
00:32:12,759 --> 00:32:16,079
the car in front of me. I immediately thought, what

613
00:32:16,119 --> 00:32:19,680
the hell is he doing. He's gonna get hit. I

614
00:32:19,680 --> 00:32:22,079
thought it was a person at first, because it was

615
00:32:22,240 --> 00:32:27,039
moving in an upright position on two legs. It crossed

616
00:32:27,200 --> 00:32:30,960
in front of the car. How far in front I

617
00:32:31,039 --> 00:32:34,839
really don't know, but I could still see some portion

618
00:32:34,960 --> 00:32:38,319
of the head above the car in front. It was

619
00:32:38,359 --> 00:32:41,119
a Subaru. Man, that's pointless, who cares what kind of

620
00:32:41,119 --> 00:32:44,480
car it was. I thought for sure there was going

621
00:32:44,559 --> 00:32:48,680
to be impact, but I continued and passed in front

622
00:32:48,720 --> 00:32:52,319
of the cars. At that point I had some more

623
00:32:52,480 --> 00:32:56,480
clear visual on it. It was completely dark, all the

624
00:32:56,519 --> 00:33:00,319
same color from head to toe. There wasn't any thing

625
00:33:00,359 --> 00:33:04,079
that stood out that was different in appearance. It had

626
00:33:04,160 --> 00:33:08,160
more of a slendered, slim build, you know. It was

627
00:33:08,240 --> 00:33:11,640
the way it moved and crossed the road that shook me.

628
00:33:12,480 --> 00:33:16,680
Nothing quicker, jerky, like a sprinter. It was fast, but

629
00:33:16,799 --> 00:33:20,640
almost like a glide or sliding motion to it. The

630
00:33:20,680 --> 00:33:25,519
whole incident may have lasted two to three seconds. It

631
00:33:25,640 --> 00:33:31,319
disappeared over the rail completely effortlessly. It never stopped to

632
00:33:31,319 --> 00:33:33,279
climb over it, and I thought, well, maybe there was

633
00:33:33,319 --> 00:33:36,000
a cutoff there where the state troopers would like to sit,

634
00:33:36,920 --> 00:33:41,319
but there wasn't any. My wife was in the truck

635
00:33:41,480 --> 00:33:44,559
with me, but was taken in the scenery outside the

636
00:33:44,640 --> 00:33:48,480
passenger door window. She did not witness, but heard me

637
00:33:48,599 --> 00:33:51,839
yell what the hell was that. By the time she

638
00:33:52,000 --> 00:33:56,400
looked towards it, it had already crossed the road. After

639
00:33:56,440 --> 00:33:59,599
seeing what I saw, we checked the Internet, and there

640
00:33:59,680 --> 00:34:04,519
are other reports in the same area Bullbeagle Park, Penn

641
00:34:04,559 --> 00:34:09,039
State and Milesburg. I just want to add I know

642
00:34:09,079 --> 00:34:11,519
what I saw, but I don't know what I saw.

643
00:34:12,000 --> 00:34:14,840
I'm an avid hunter with fifty plus years of experience

644
00:34:14,920 --> 00:34:15,559
in the woods.

645
00:34:16,199 --> 00:34:17,920
Speaker 2: This one's not a bear.

646
00:34:19,159 --> 00:34:25,360
Speaker 1: Interesting. The glide thing comes up yet again when we

647
00:34:25,440 --> 00:34:28,519
come back. Let's get on our bicycles, put on our shorts,

648
00:34:28,519 --> 00:34:31,599
and take a nice ride to Febuary.

649
00:34:35,840 --> 00:34:38,199
Speaker 9: You're listening to the big football horn right here on

650
00:34:38,239 --> 00:34:40,079
the Sasquatch experience.

651
00:34:49,920 --> 00:34:55,000
Speaker 1: As anybody ever told you. Hey, nice knockers. If not,

652
00:34:55,480 --> 00:34:59,880
just visit got knockers dot org read about the encounter.

653
00:35:00,079 --> 00:35:04,199
They kick this whole thing off. Plus you com purchase one, two,

654
00:35:04,440 --> 00:35:08,159
three or more tree Knockers. I'm not sure what you

655
00:35:08,280 --> 00:35:11,960
thought we were talking about. Gott Knockers has a plethora

656
00:35:12,039 --> 00:35:16,159
of gifts and merchandise two from awesome apparel, ware, and

657
00:35:16,480 --> 00:35:21,440
even something for the baby. Find jewelry and sauceage to

658
00:35:21,559 --> 00:35:25,079
please anyone's taste. Bud stop on buy and give a

659
00:35:25,079 --> 00:35:28,760
hello to Gwendolyn and Michael herself. Now that you know

660
00:35:28,800 --> 00:35:32,360
where to get some great knockers. They make fun gifts

661
00:35:32,480 --> 00:35:37,599
or accessories for the squatch bag. Just visit Godknockers dot

662
00:35:37,719 --> 00:36:02,719
Org again. Got Knockers dot org. So before the break,

663
00:36:02,760 --> 00:36:04,920
did I actually say let's get on our bikes and

664
00:36:04,960 --> 00:36:09,679
put our shorts on? Because that would be kind of awkward. Well,

665
00:36:09,719 --> 00:36:14,519
guess what, folks, It's the third annual Bucks County Para Con.

666
00:36:15,079 --> 00:36:19,920
It's coming up February twenty eight, of twenty twenty six.

667
00:36:20,760 --> 00:36:23,239
Some of the speakers will be Dominic and Eric Mantel,

668
00:36:23,960 --> 00:36:30,039
Jim Krugg, kod Trina Weedman, Nick Pope, and of course

669
00:36:30,119 --> 00:36:33,360
Ken Gerhard. I know him from somewhere. I just can't

670
00:36:33,360 --> 00:36:36,880
put my finger on it. This location will be at

671
00:36:37,159 --> 00:36:43,320
Zeelock Performing Arts Center, located at two seventy five Swamp

672
00:36:43,400 --> 00:36:50,760
Road in Newtown, Pennsylvania. Hope you're there. Thanks again for

673
00:36:50,840 --> 00:36:54,079
listening to this edition of the Big Foot Bullhorn right

674
00:36:54,119 --> 00:37:00,159
here on Anomalous Entertainment's Sasquatch Experience and is Ken your

675
00:37:00,239 --> 00:37:03,800
heart always says to a big Foot meet again.

676
00:37:16,039 --> 00:37:19,519
Speaker 3: I'm sure you folks miss that the big Football Horn. Everybody,

677
00:37:20,159 --> 00:37:24,519
Thanks Vance for that uh wonderful mid show break. As

678
00:37:24,559 --> 00:37:27,159
always Vance Nesbit folks, send your email.

679
00:37:26,880 --> 00:37:30,960
Speaker 1: To Vance No spend it to Sean, Send it to

680
00:37:31,000 --> 00:37:36,639
Sean Sean Attention me, Anomalist Entertainment.

681
00:37:38,360 --> 00:37:42,960
Speaker 3: The dance Nesbit, bicycling shorts.

682
00:37:43,039 --> 00:37:44,320
Speaker 5: What I'm moving about.

683
00:37:46,079 --> 00:37:51,840
Speaker 3: To address that one thing report you brought up from Pennsylvania.

684
00:37:51,960 --> 00:37:52,400
Speaker 2: Matt and I.

685
00:37:53,920 --> 00:37:58,679
Speaker 3: Emails and messengers have been blowing up within wanting to

686
00:37:59,360 --> 00:38:02,360
get our take on it. And I don't want to

687
00:38:02,400 --> 00:38:08,559
speak for Matt, though I will. This whole Central PA

688
00:38:08,920 --> 00:38:11,960
or State College PA thing has been kind of problematic

689
00:38:12,199 --> 00:38:19,280
because of just being put out there so precisely to

690
00:38:19,519 --> 00:38:24,960
where these sightings have happened. It's really contaminating what Matt

691
00:38:24,960 --> 00:38:26,440
and I would want to be able to do and

692
00:38:26,800 --> 00:38:30,559
kind of keeping the the area secure for any kind

693
00:38:30,599 --> 00:38:33,320
of evidence gathering or anything. Also to say nothing, if

694
00:38:33,360 --> 00:38:37,480
you really look into some of this, you know that's

695
00:38:37,639 --> 00:38:42,079
major roadways where this is happening, and hopefully we would

696
00:38:42,079 --> 00:38:44,440
have more than just one or two eyewitnesses popping out

697
00:38:44,440 --> 00:38:46,960
with us, particularly at the time of day they reported

698
00:38:46,960 --> 00:38:49,880
that sighting. Matt and I I have a little bit

699
00:38:49,880 --> 00:38:53,719
of concerns about that considering the frequency of the traveling

700
00:38:53,760 --> 00:38:54,320
of that road.

701
00:38:54,360 --> 00:38:58,199
Speaker 1: So I believe that was like five PM. Yeah, that's well,

702
00:38:58,239 --> 00:39:02,480
it wasn't dark out, you know, and it's heavily traveled.

703
00:39:02,679 --> 00:39:05,719
It's not a lightly traveled road, so no, it's an

704
00:39:05,719 --> 00:39:07,599
inner state. Yeah right, Matt and I.

705
00:39:07,559 --> 00:39:10,000
Speaker 3: Will be getting out to check this out. We were

706
00:39:10,000 --> 00:39:11,880
going to go Sunday, but we both had some things

707
00:39:11,880 --> 00:39:14,519
going on, So we are going to be getting out

708
00:39:14,559 --> 00:39:16,800
to those areas rather we have an invitation or not.

709
00:39:17,039 --> 00:39:21,119
Because this is the second report we've got from that vicinity,

710
00:39:23,360 --> 00:39:25,599
I mean, and then there's other antilar reports that have

711
00:39:25,599 --> 00:39:27,360
happened around that area. We're going to be checking out.

712
00:39:27,360 --> 00:39:30,519
So stay tuned, folks for more on the state college

713
00:39:30,559 --> 00:39:33,119
situation down there. Matt and I will be investigating. We'll

714
00:39:33,159 --> 00:39:36,079
get back to you promptly soon as we get out there.

715
00:39:36,079 --> 00:39:38,079
But the show's not about us. It's about Ken.

716
00:39:38,559 --> 00:39:38,760
Speaker 7: Ken.

717
00:39:38,800 --> 00:39:41,239
Speaker 3: Get out our guests and we're going to go from

718
00:39:41,280 --> 00:39:48,000
central Pennsylvania to let's see Alaska. How did you get

719
00:39:48,119 --> 00:39:51,000
roped into Missing in Alaska?

720
00:39:51,119 --> 00:39:51,280
Speaker 5: Ken?

721
00:39:51,280 --> 00:39:54,519
Speaker 3: Because actually I really enjoyed that program.

722
00:39:54,960 --> 00:39:57,519
Speaker 6: Oh thank you. Yeah, that was quite an adventure and

723
00:39:57,559 --> 00:39:59,400
it's hard to believe it's been ten years since we

724
00:39:59,480 --> 00:40:05,760
filmed that. But let's see. Uh Man, I don't remember

725
00:40:05,800 --> 00:40:08,039
how the discussion started but I know they were talking

726
00:40:08,079 --> 00:40:16,679
to several possible cast members cryptid investigators and actually my doppelganger,

727
00:40:16,760 --> 00:40:19,639
Lyle Blackburn, he was He and I had the same

728
00:40:19,760 --> 00:40:21,760
TV agent at the time, and they were talking to

729
00:40:21,840 --> 00:40:24,559
him too, and he said, no, that's too cold, man,

730
00:40:24,599 --> 00:40:27,159
I'm all about swamps and I don't want to I'm

731
00:40:27,159 --> 00:40:28,719
a Texas boy. I don't want to go up in

732
00:40:28,760 --> 00:40:30,440
the cold. So I was like, you know, he kind

733
00:40:30,440 --> 00:40:34,599
of stepped aside, so he took himself out of there.

734
00:40:33,679 --> 00:40:34,639
Speaker 7: There running for that one.

735
00:40:34,679 --> 00:40:40,000
Speaker 6: But yeah, it was it was an amazing experience I had.

736
00:40:40,320 --> 00:40:42,760
Alaska had been high on my bucket list. I'm sure

737
00:40:43,119 --> 00:40:45,199
high on many people's bucket lists for a long time,

738
00:40:45,280 --> 00:40:49,199
and so yeah, it was just one of those things.

739
00:40:49,239 --> 00:40:52,760
I guess they reached out to me and we're auditioning

740
00:40:52,800 --> 00:40:55,239
cast members, and of course I had never met the

741
00:40:55,280 --> 00:40:59,239
other cast members. We the three of us kind of

742
00:40:59,320 --> 00:41:02,519
did a little, uh skype call if you remember skype

743
00:41:02,559 --> 00:41:07,039
back in the days, but we did a little Skype

744
00:41:07,079 --> 00:41:08,320
call and we talked about.

745
00:41:08,119 --> 00:41:09,400
Speaker 7: You know, how are you know.

746
00:41:09,440 --> 00:41:11,840
Speaker 6: Of course they had never done any television. I'd done

747
00:41:11,880 --> 00:41:15,400
a little bit at that point, but yeah, it was

748
00:41:15,440 --> 00:41:18,880
quite an adventure. You know, I will, I guess ten

749
00:41:18,960 --> 00:41:21,320
years removed from my NDA and all that kind of stuff.

750
00:41:21,360 --> 00:41:24,159
I frequently tell the stories about how you know, when

751
00:41:24,199 --> 00:41:26,159
the producers were first talking to me, they said, oh,

752
00:41:26,320 --> 00:41:28,719
this is going to be very scientific. It's going to

753
00:41:28,800 --> 00:41:31,679
be like monster quests and science and science. And I

754
00:41:31,719 --> 00:41:33,840
was like, oh, this sounds great. And then when I

755
00:41:33,880 --> 00:41:37,639
got up there, someone at the network had the idea, well,

756
00:41:37,719 --> 00:41:39,920
let's make this a little more fun, you know, and

757
00:41:40,000 --> 00:41:43,280
so so ultimately it was a little bit of a

758
00:41:43,360 --> 00:41:45,920
of a challenge for me. You know, I told them

759
00:41:45,920 --> 00:41:48,719
from the beginning, I know, I seem like a professional weirdo,

760
00:41:48,840 --> 00:41:51,480
which I guess I am, but I have a lot

761
00:41:51,519 --> 00:41:53,960
of integrity in this field and credibility and I'm not

762
00:41:54,000 --> 00:41:57,840
going to fake anything or hoax anything. So there were

763
00:41:58,000 --> 00:42:02,280
there were some maybe some tempted shenanigans by the producers

764
00:42:02,320 --> 00:42:04,559
here and there, and I ultimately made some of them cry,

765
00:42:04,639 --> 00:42:06,840
and it was you know, but you know, we we

766
00:42:06,880 --> 00:42:09,280
figured out a way to like, you know, let's let's

767
00:42:09,280 --> 00:42:11,519
do this thing. We're here, and you know, I was

768
00:42:11,559 --> 00:42:15,280
definitely fascinated with, you know, not only the Alaskan version

769
00:42:15,320 --> 00:42:18,480
of Bigfoot, but I mean, the opportunity to investigate Lapin

770
00:42:18,559 --> 00:42:23,519
thunderbirds and Lake Leo'mna monster and right Rock and the

771
00:42:23,639 --> 00:42:25,760
Cushtaka and all these things that I had heard about.

772
00:42:25,840 --> 00:42:28,000
I was like, Wow, this is you know, it's again

773
00:42:28,039 --> 00:42:31,199
about the diversity. You know, let's let's look at Alaska

774
00:42:31,320 --> 00:42:36,920
has a great wealth and diversity of legends and creatures

775
00:42:37,000 --> 00:42:41,079
and all kinds of things. So UFO activity even so, Yeah,

776
00:42:41,119 --> 00:42:41,920
it was a lot of fun.

777
00:42:43,440 --> 00:42:46,480
Speaker 3: Now that I mean, once you guys moved on from

778
00:42:46,519 --> 00:42:49,599
Alaska and there's been in the last maybe three or

779
00:42:49,639 --> 00:42:54,840
four years, once again a huge focus on Port Chatham

780
00:42:55,239 --> 00:42:58,599
and other areas. What are your thoughts on that, you know,

781
00:42:58,760 --> 00:43:03,039
especially that show Alaska Killer Bigfoot. You've been in these places, ken,

782
00:43:03,159 --> 00:43:06,280
you know, do you get frustrated because sometimes it seems

783
00:43:06,280 --> 00:43:08,280
to be a little bit more fantasy than reality.

784
00:43:08,800 --> 00:43:12,039
Speaker 6: Well, yeah, obviously, and you know we've come full circle

785
00:43:12,079 --> 00:43:13,840
to what we were talking about earlier. You know, there's

786
00:43:14,400 --> 00:43:19,000
there are advantages to the Bigfoot shows and programs in

787
00:43:19,119 --> 00:43:21,960
terms of getting you know, people more into the subject

788
00:43:22,000 --> 00:43:25,199
of Bigfoot, and then there's disadvantages in terms of sometimes

789
00:43:25,239 --> 00:43:27,159
they overplay their hand and they make it a little

790
00:43:27,199 --> 00:43:30,320
bit you know, a little bit too much fiction and

791
00:43:30,360 --> 00:43:34,960
not not so much the embellishment, right, the embellishment and

792
00:43:35,320 --> 00:43:39,280
things like that. I will say that, you know, we

793
00:43:39,320 --> 00:43:42,239
got pretty close to Port Chatham. We didn't get as

794
00:43:42,239 --> 00:43:45,320
close as we wanted to because of logistical issues with

795
00:43:45,360 --> 00:43:47,760
a whole crew and lots of people. But right after

796
00:43:47,800 --> 00:43:50,559
the show aired, there was a local guy in Alaska

797
00:43:50,599 --> 00:43:53,280
who sent me an email and he was like, hey,

798
00:43:53,360 --> 00:43:55,079
ken Yeah, I saw you were up there Port Chattle

799
00:43:55,119 --> 00:43:57,079
and it looked a little bit different. He said, I

800
00:43:57,119 --> 00:43:59,440
went out there by myself. This guy like freaking wrote

801
00:43:59,480 --> 00:44:03,039
a kayak act like to the Kenai Peninsula, camped out

802
00:44:03,039 --> 00:44:05,599
at Port Chatham by himself for like a week. I mean,

803
00:44:06,519 --> 00:44:09,000
so why are these all you know, suddenly you have

804
00:44:09,039 --> 00:44:11,360
this community of people that are terrified at Bigfoot, but

805
00:44:11,599 --> 00:44:13,719
like a real Alaska person will go up there by

806
00:44:13,760 --> 00:44:16,920
themselves and be like, hey man, you know here I

807
00:44:16,960 --> 00:44:21,159
am so. I mean, I think Alaska has more, I

808
00:44:21,199 --> 00:44:27,320
mean probably more potential to harbor an unknown species of

809
00:44:27,679 --> 00:44:31,320
large place to scene type hominin than anywhere else in

810
00:44:31,360 --> 00:44:33,119
North America. I think we could all agree on that.

811
00:44:33,199 --> 00:44:36,679
I mean, it's just ridiculous how much wilderness, inhabit thirty

812
00:44:36,679 --> 00:44:41,800
seven mountain ranges, and so much coastline, millions of lakes.

813
00:44:41,920 --> 00:44:44,639
I mean, it's just it's it's incredible. So I think there,

814
00:44:44,800 --> 00:44:47,760
I think if Bigfoot does exist, we would definitely be

815
00:44:47,840 --> 00:44:50,800
able to make the argument that that's where we're most

816
00:44:50,920 --> 00:44:54,360
likely to find them, I think. But yeah, I think

817
00:44:54,639 --> 00:44:59,079
a lot of the again, the embellishment, as Dance was saying,

818
00:44:59,079 --> 00:45:02,559
I mean, it's just u you know, it erodes from

819
00:45:02,599 --> 00:45:05,719
the reality of what we're all in this for, which is,

820
00:45:05,800 --> 00:45:07,400
you know, to try to prove that this thing really

821
00:45:07,400 --> 00:45:13,480
exists as improbable as it seems to the public at large.

822
00:45:14,119 --> 00:45:14,320
Speaker 7: You know.

823
00:45:14,400 --> 00:45:17,159
Speaker 3: I also its just sense a bad tone that you know,

824
00:45:17,239 --> 00:45:20,039
every time you go out there, you're going to experience something,

825
00:45:20,199 --> 00:45:23,519
and you know, Matt and I, at least in our presentations,

826
00:45:23,519 --> 00:45:26,119
we are really trying to give the emphasis that Bigfoot

827
00:45:26,119 --> 00:45:28,920
and can be boring and most of the time you're

828
00:45:28,960 --> 00:45:31,280
going to come up empty, and that you know, these

829
00:45:31,320 --> 00:45:35,239
shows still entertaining don't give you the accurate representation. Then

830
00:45:35,239 --> 00:45:41,159
when you're even more like stoked by the mythos of

831
00:45:41,239 --> 00:45:44,199
places like Alaska and you have all that great scenery,

832
00:45:44,480 --> 00:45:49,239
it's even more difficult to kind of take folks back

833
00:45:49,280 --> 00:45:51,639
and say, hey, you know what, you think it's boring ear,

834
00:45:52,079 --> 00:45:54,079
you have things that can really kill you up there

835
00:45:54,079 --> 00:45:57,280
in Alaska that you're dealing with, let alone some sort

836
00:45:57,280 --> 00:45:58,079
of killer Bigfoot.

837
00:45:58,119 --> 00:45:59,599
Speaker 5: So it's kind of a different temperature.

838
00:45:59,679 --> 00:46:02,320
Speaker 3: But to think it's all going to be Bigfoot is silly,

839
00:46:02,320 --> 00:46:05,599
and I don't like people to get that expectation. But

840
00:46:06,039 --> 00:46:08,039
one of the things I love is, particularly with the

841
00:46:08,079 --> 00:46:11,559
small Town Monsters Crew Ken going out to those places,

842
00:46:11,599 --> 00:46:13,480
I think they've given a lot of credence to what

843
00:46:13,559 --> 00:46:16,719
that's really like. They're had a friend Larry Baxter, who

844
00:46:16,760 --> 00:46:19,760
spends a lot of time out in who lives in Alaska,

845
00:46:20,599 --> 00:46:24,480
that you know, it's a great place, beautiful scenery, but

846
00:46:24,599 --> 00:46:27,920
that doesn't mean again, Bigfoot's going to be in your

847
00:46:27,960 --> 00:46:35,320
backyard stealing huckleberries every half, right, And if Bigfoot is real, Ken,

848
00:46:35,440 --> 00:46:37,679
what do you think it is like? Do you have

849
00:46:37,719 --> 00:46:40,039
a in your mind? Do you kind of have it

850
00:46:40,119 --> 00:46:42,480
narrowed down to a couple different conclusions, or.

851
00:46:44,119 --> 00:46:50,119
Speaker 6: Well, I have my favorite hypothesis, and I guess tragically,

852
00:46:50,159 --> 00:46:54,800
with the passing of Jeff recently, you know, I feel

853
00:46:54,800 --> 00:46:59,280
like the number of Crancians. I consider myself descended from

854
00:46:59,280 --> 00:47:02,079
the Crancian line of Bigfoot researchers, and you know.

855
00:47:02,039 --> 00:47:04,519
Speaker 7: I'm an aper. I'm still in on the apor thing.

856
00:47:08,400 --> 00:47:08,599
You know.

857
00:47:08,719 --> 00:47:13,599
Speaker 6: It's it seems to look like many of the hominins

858
00:47:13,599 --> 00:47:16,159
that were evolving in Africa about two million years ago,

859
00:47:16,400 --> 00:47:18,360
you know, although they were much shorter, but when you

860
00:47:18,760 --> 00:47:22,559
look at things like Parampupus boisei and some of those

861
00:47:22,679 --> 00:47:25,400
robust australopithesenes home on a letti, things like, you know,

862
00:47:25,400 --> 00:47:28,480
they were basically bipedal apes. They still had they were

863
00:47:28,519 --> 00:47:31,920
a mosaic, They had primitive characteristics, but they walked up right.

864
00:47:33,320 --> 00:47:36,440
They may have used very primitive tools, but probably just

865
00:47:36,599 --> 00:47:40,039
like you know, stone flakes and things like that, they

866
00:47:40,039 --> 00:47:43,280
didn't use fire. They had most of them had the

867
00:47:43,599 --> 00:47:46,639
kind of the reduced cranium, you know, half half the

868
00:47:46,639 --> 00:47:48,760
brain capacity that we do. So they had the course,

869
00:47:48,840 --> 00:47:52,800
the sloping back forehead and the head shape and the

870
00:47:52,840 --> 00:47:54,920
sagull crest and things that people off in the port

871
00:47:54,920 --> 00:47:58,000
with bigfoot. So it just seems to me like the

872
00:47:58,000 --> 00:48:02,599
most pragmatic explanation is if things like Bigfoot basically did exist,

873
00:48:03,440 --> 00:48:05,559
you know, two million years up to maybe a hundred,

874
00:48:05,599 --> 00:48:10,039
you know, hundreds of thousands of years ago in African Asia.

875
00:48:10,800 --> 00:48:14,880
Why can't Bigfoot just be a relict population of those

876
00:48:15,320 --> 00:48:18,079
or you know, an evolved population from that same lineage.

877
00:48:18,119 --> 00:48:19,960
I mean, that seems to make the most sense to me.

878
00:48:20,480 --> 00:48:23,599
Speaker 3: I just kind of have a conversation with Cliff Berrickman

879
00:48:23,679 --> 00:48:27,800
and Matt Preuitt, like, you know, a worst a worst.

880
00:48:28,000 --> 00:48:30,440
Speaker 5: You know, you know, I got called and that was

881
00:48:30,480 --> 00:48:31,599
a little offended by that.

882
00:48:31,679 --> 00:48:39,000
Speaker 3: I'm like Hills, an apor and an apist, ready to

883
00:48:39,079 --> 00:48:43,440
have it, you know. But I guess in my mind,

884
00:48:43,760 --> 00:48:48,400
like it leaves physical evidence, it has physical presence. Uh

885
00:48:48,440 --> 00:48:52,840
And while maybe it there's a chance and some maybe

886
00:48:54,559 --> 00:48:58,679
slight chance it has some abilities, maybe we don't. It

887
00:48:58,800 --> 00:49:00,760
still doesn't have to take away from the fact that

888
00:49:00,800 --> 00:49:01,280
it's core.

889
00:49:01,360 --> 00:49:02,039
Speaker 5: It's an eight.

890
00:49:03,559 --> 00:49:07,719
Speaker 3: And I think once we can prove it exists, then

891
00:49:07,760 --> 00:49:09,599
maybe we could start talking about some of the more

892
00:49:09,639 --> 00:49:11,960
fantastical elements of it. But until then, I think we

893
00:49:12,039 --> 00:49:15,760
really have to stay kind of grounded. Can at least

894
00:49:15,760 --> 00:49:18,199
it's just my thought of let's prove what this thing

895
00:49:18,400 --> 00:49:21,079
is and then we can go to the you know,

896
00:49:21,119 --> 00:49:24,519
the crazier notions. Once we have something to show for

897
00:49:24,599 --> 00:49:25,760
all this research we've done.

898
00:49:27,199 --> 00:49:30,960
Speaker 6: Yeah, I agree, one hundred percent. And I have a

899
00:49:31,000 --> 00:49:34,280
new presentation that I've been doing called the Sasquatches and

900
00:49:34,360 --> 00:49:39,239
Undiscovered Species, And I really do, at least for the

901
00:49:39,320 --> 00:49:42,440
luder part. The beginning of the presentation, I talk about

902
00:49:42,480 --> 00:49:45,440
cryptozoology and how new things are being discovered all the time,

903
00:49:45,480 --> 00:49:48,000
and how much wilderness is left on our planet and all,

904
00:49:48,079 --> 00:49:51,199
you know, kind of building a case for the possibility

905
00:49:51,199 --> 00:49:56,639
of an undiscovered eight or large species. But the latter

906
00:49:56,679 --> 00:49:59,400
half of the presentation, where I asked the audience not

907
00:49:59,440 --> 00:50:01,599
to throw on megetables at me, I basically try to

908
00:50:01,800 --> 00:50:05,840
argue against this whole idea of an interdimensional, paranormal Bigfoot,

909
00:50:05,840 --> 00:50:07,119
and I bring up a lot of I've done a

910
00:50:07,119 --> 00:50:09,719
lot of research in terms of where this idea came from,

911
00:50:10,159 --> 00:50:13,920
how it became ingrained in you know, popular culture, how

912
00:50:13,920 --> 00:50:16,719
these ideas kind of evolved in the starting in the seventies.

913
00:50:17,360 --> 00:50:19,599
But I mean, if you look at the horsemen of

914
00:50:19,639 --> 00:50:22,079
our field, I mean, none of those guys ever concluded

915
00:50:22,079 --> 00:50:24,599
that Bigfoot was paranormal. I'm not aware of any of

916
00:50:24,599 --> 00:50:27,639
them seeing orbs or cloaking bigfoots. Or anything like that.

917
00:50:27,760 --> 00:50:31,280
So why do you why can you disregard two hundred

918
00:50:31,280 --> 00:50:35,039
and fifty years of combined research from all those pioneers

919
00:50:35,079 --> 00:50:37,559
in the bigfoot field and then suddenly you know, it's like,

920
00:50:37,599 --> 00:50:39,800
oh no, it's something else completely. You know that these

921
00:50:39,840 --> 00:50:43,119
guys never never came to those conclusions. But anyways, I

922
00:50:43,159 --> 00:50:44,960
don't want to make any enemies here today. I'm not

923
00:50:45,000 --> 00:50:48,280
trying to. There's anyone in your eyes. I'm open minded,

924
00:50:48,320 --> 00:50:51,639
but it just doesn't seem like the probable conclusion.

925
00:50:53,280 --> 00:50:56,480
Speaker 3: Yeah, but I'm okay with making enemies because you know,

926
00:50:56,559 --> 00:50:58,800
I've been doing that for thirty years of this.

927
00:50:59,440 --> 00:51:00,960
Speaker 5: You know, why where did it come from?

928
00:51:01,000 --> 00:51:01,199
Speaker 1: Where?

929
00:51:01,280 --> 00:51:04,320
Speaker 3: When did we descide this was something more than just

930
00:51:04,360 --> 00:51:04,840
an ape?

931
00:51:04,880 --> 00:51:05,039
Speaker 10: You know?

932
00:51:05,079 --> 00:51:08,440
Speaker 3: And it's you know, and that'll be another topic for

933
00:51:08,480 --> 00:51:10,280
another show. We'll save that because we could go on

934
00:51:10,320 --> 00:51:13,039
a whole episode for that. But Henry, you did have

935
00:51:13,079 --> 00:51:14,639
a question. I wanted to make sure you got a

936
00:51:14,719 --> 00:51:18,800
chance to ask it to Ken You there, Henry, Yeah,

937
00:51:19,039 --> 00:51:19,840
I had a question.

938
00:51:20,239 --> 00:51:24,960
Speaker 8: I'm here and I had a question for Kea about

939
00:51:25,079 --> 00:51:30,159
the Dwendy and the sisamite. M h, what are those?

940
00:51:32,400 --> 00:51:32,599
Speaker 7: Yes?

941
00:51:32,719 --> 00:51:35,679
Speaker 6: Well, in two thousand and four, I mounted an expedition

942
00:51:35,840 --> 00:51:38,679
down to Belize, the Maa Mountains and Belize in Central

943
00:51:38,679 --> 00:51:43,719
America to investigate accounts of two mystery hominins. One is

944
00:51:43,760 --> 00:51:48,480
called the Duende, which in Spanish means goblin, and it's ivan.

945
00:51:48,559 --> 00:51:50,599
Sanderson was the first one to point out that it

946
00:51:50,639 --> 00:51:53,480
wasn't just a fairy type thing, but that people were

947
00:51:53,559 --> 00:51:57,039
describing He had spoken to locals who described as like,

948
00:51:57,320 --> 00:52:00,880
basically like the orang pendeck, kind of like a pigmy

949
00:52:00,920 --> 00:52:03,440
sized bigfoot, about three to five feet tall, but still

950
00:52:03,519 --> 00:52:08,239
very robust, with broad shoulders and a peaked head. And

951
00:52:08,559 --> 00:52:13,639
there's also the sism Cisamito or sis Sisamite, which is

952
00:52:14,039 --> 00:52:18,039
basically described just like a sasquatch, And a lot of

953
00:52:18,119 --> 00:52:21,119
sightings from southern Belize from the Blue Creek, a place

954
00:52:21,119 --> 00:52:23,159
called Blue Creek Village, and I spoke to some Maya

955
00:52:23,159 --> 00:52:25,719
people from down there and they said, yeah, it's just

956
00:52:25,840 --> 00:52:28,840
it's a gorilla that's about seven feet tall, it walks

957
00:52:28,880 --> 00:52:30,519
like a man, and it lives up in the mountains

958
00:52:31,239 --> 00:52:33,800
and so, and there was a recent account of some

959
00:52:33,920 --> 00:52:37,920
giant human like footprints being found near a shrimp farm.

960
00:52:38,039 --> 00:52:41,760
So all I could not a lot of recent reports

961
00:52:41,760 --> 00:52:45,079
that I was able to glean, but people, many of

962
00:52:45,119 --> 00:52:48,079
the old timers talked about hearing the screaming and calling

963
00:52:48,719 --> 00:52:53,280
and whaling sounds coming from the mountains. So I actually

964
00:52:53,280 --> 00:52:56,159
do a presentation on Bigfoot south of the border. A

965
00:52:56,159 --> 00:52:58,119
lot of people aren't aware that there are a number

966
00:52:58,159 --> 00:53:02,079
of big Foot reports in Mexica, throughout Mexico and also

967
00:53:02,159 --> 00:53:05,000
down into Central and South America. So Bigfoot does not

968
00:53:05,599 --> 00:53:09,480
recognize any border walls or political delineations or anything like that.

969
00:53:09,559 --> 00:53:11,719
He just keeps going where the habit.

970
00:53:11,519 --> 00:53:16,639
Speaker 1: Is question for you. I don't remember specifically the year.

971
00:53:17,000 --> 00:53:19,239
I want to say two thousand and two, but the

972
00:53:19,320 --> 00:53:20,760
discovery of the Billy ape.

973
00:53:21,719 --> 00:53:23,440
Speaker 7: Yeah, it's about right, you know.

974
00:53:23,920 --> 00:53:27,880
Speaker 1: Yeah, but it's the same description of you know, six

975
00:53:27,920 --> 00:53:33,199
foot tall, bipedal chimp type of creature. Anyway, it's not

976
00:53:33,320 --> 00:53:36,159
a chimp, but it's part of the primates.

977
00:53:36,199 --> 00:53:36,840
Speaker 2: But it is.

978
00:53:39,360 --> 00:53:42,440
Speaker 1: Well, okay, I don't know that much about it other

979
00:53:42,519 --> 00:53:44,480
than the discovery of it, and I found it pretty

980
00:53:44,480 --> 00:53:48,880
fascinating that, you know, here we are, our DNA is

981
00:53:48,920 --> 00:53:51,960
telling us we're the only bipedal creature on the planet,

982
00:53:52,000 --> 00:53:55,000
and then this happens. It's like, oh, that's different.

983
00:53:55,360 --> 00:53:57,159
Speaker 3: But I can't be the only one that gets excited

984
00:53:57,199 --> 00:54:00,480
about the Billy Ape being proven that it exists, even

985
00:54:00,519 --> 00:54:05,239
if fan z or I don't care, because that started

986
00:54:05,239 --> 00:54:09,039
off as ken and you probably agree with us as legends,

987
00:54:09,400 --> 00:54:12,840
this eight that could break the neck of a lion,

988
00:54:13,639 --> 00:54:17,079
and you know, the villagers were all talking about this,

989
00:54:17,199 --> 00:54:19,039
and again in US honkeys are like, oh, it can't

990
00:54:19,039 --> 00:54:22,360
be real, we don't have proof. But then they get

991
00:54:22,400 --> 00:54:26,159
it on video and like that's exciting, and you're talking

992
00:54:26,159 --> 00:54:28,960
about a discovery in the twenty first century.

993
00:54:30,199 --> 00:54:32,960
Speaker 6: Yeah, and not just similar from the recent discovery of

994
00:54:33,000 --> 00:54:38,480
the top Anulla orangutan pongo top of Neulliensis, which you know,

995
00:54:38,719 --> 00:54:41,639
they kind of knew they were there, but nobody really

996
00:54:41,679 --> 00:54:44,400
you know, they were rediscovered and then you know, they

997
00:54:44,400 --> 00:54:47,000
did DNA testing and said, wow, these are like actually

998
00:54:47,039 --> 00:54:51,599
bordy and orangutans in Samatra, and so yeah, I mean

999
00:54:51,639 --> 00:54:54,960
that's these are all very you know recent examples that

1000
00:54:55,639 --> 00:54:59,519
large apes you know, are are still yet to be discovered.

1001
00:54:59,079 --> 00:55:02,360
Speaker 3: Perhaps right, And I get excited about it, particularly again

1002
00:55:02,400 --> 00:55:05,159
we go back to the Billy Ape, and you know,

1003
00:55:05,880 --> 00:55:08,920
because there's so many to me parallels to that to

1004
00:55:09,239 --> 00:55:15,280
bigfoot right, large bipedal at times primate. And that's also

1005
00:55:15,320 --> 00:55:17,320
a testament of our science. You know, we're getting to

1006
00:55:17,360 --> 00:55:20,679
the point we're able to collect these specimens and get

1007
00:55:21,679 --> 00:55:25,960
concrete DNA. What if the point comes and we collect

1008
00:55:26,000 --> 00:55:29,320
a sessimen and we realize that some of these samples

1009
00:55:29,360 --> 00:55:32,280
we collected long ago have been this all along, and

1010
00:55:32,360 --> 00:55:37,519
maybe it does share more commonalities with other primates than we've.

1011
00:55:37,360 --> 00:55:38,239
Speaker 5: Expected it to.

1012
00:55:38,440 --> 00:55:42,079
Speaker 3: And again we go through you know, the Fopper record,

1013
00:55:42,079 --> 00:55:44,639
and we go through the human tree or the you know,

1014
00:55:44,719 --> 00:55:48,440
the tree of apes or whatever. Who knows what is

1015
00:55:48,480 --> 00:55:51,920
in between those branches. You know, we're covering new stuff

1016
00:55:51,960 --> 00:55:55,440
all the time. That's really exciting to me. And I

1017
00:55:55,480 --> 00:55:59,320
don't know, we go down again another topic. We go

1018
00:55:59,400 --> 00:56:03,280
down for all these I guess my final question before

1019
00:56:03,320 --> 00:56:08,800
I ramble on into oblivion, ken to you, what is

1020
00:56:08,880 --> 00:56:13,920
the most compelling piece of evidence you've encountered and big footing.

1021
00:56:15,320 --> 00:56:16,280
Speaker 7: That I've encountered?

1022
00:56:16,280 --> 00:56:20,239
Speaker 6: Oh gosh, Well, August eighteenth, two thousand and three, I

1023
00:56:20,320 --> 00:56:24,199
was with some other researchers down in Texas. Chester Moore

1024
00:56:24,360 --> 00:56:27,360
was one of them, and we had heard of recent

1025
00:56:27,400 --> 00:56:29,840
bigfoot sightings at a place called Cottonwood Lake. So we

1026
00:56:29,920 --> 00:56:35,159
went out there one night and right after sundown I

1027
00:56:35,199 --> 00:56:38,880
heard we all heard and recorded deep grunting sounds sounded

1028
00:56:38,960 --> 00:56:43,440
just like an ape, just like that coming at us

1029
00:56:43,440 --> 00:56:45,559
from the brush. We couldn't see it. It was a

1030
00:56:45,559 --> 00:56:50,239
heavy brush. We tried to flush it out. We saw

1031
00:56:50,280 --> 00:56:52,159
some eyes shine and we shined a spotlight in there.

1032
00:56:52,199 --> 00:56:53,599
So it was a whole bunch of stuff going on

1033
00:56:53,639 --> 00:56:56,559
that night. But the next morning we made camp and

1034
00:56:56,599 --> 00:57:00,360
we heard like Ohio hall vocalizations all night long. The

1035
00:57:00,400 --> 00:57:02,760
following morning, we made our way through the brush where

1036
00:57:02,760 --> 00:57:04,519
we'd heard this thing, and there were deep human like

1037
00:57:04,559 --> 00:57:07,920
footprints in the sand on the beach, and I've got

1038
00:57:07,920 --> 00:57:11,559
pictures of a number of large turtles had been ripped

1039
00:57:11,559 --> 00:57:14,280
in half from top to bottom, like literally torn in half.

1040
00:57:15,400 --> 00:57:16,920
Speaker 7: And you know, I've.

1041
00:57:16,880 --> 00:57:19,480
Speaker 6: I've raised turtles, and you know there's like there's no

1042
00:57:19,679 --> 00:57:22,280
I mean, there's nothing that can rip a turtle in half.

1043
00:57:22,320 --> 00:57:24,079
Speaker 7: I'm sorry. That was like to me, it was like

1044
00:57:24,159 --> 00:57:24,760
the human like.

1045
00:57:24,760 --> 00:57:29,760
Speaker 6: Footprints, the vocalizations, and those mutilated turtles. I thought, Okay,

1046
00:57:29,800 --> 00:57:31,960
this has got to be Bigfoot. I can't think of

1047
00:57:32,000 --> 00:57:34,800
any other rational explanations. So personally, that's the best thing

1048
00:57:34,840 --> 00:57:38,239
that I've you know, at least for me, kind of

1049
00:57:38,239 --> 00:57:40,639
turned the page and said, Okay, I'm you know, really

1050
00:57:40,639 --> 00:57:41,440
onto something here.

1051
00:57:41,480 --> 00:57:44,880
Speaker 3: This seems to be real. So that's a pretty good

1052
00:57:44,880 --> 00:57:45,519
example of that.

1053
00:57:46,159 --> 00:57:47,519
Speaker 5: Yeah.

1054
00:57:47,719 --> 00:57:49,559
Speaker 3: One of the things we found up this way, because

1055
00:57:49,599 --> 00:57:52,400
you kind of mentioned turtles, is we've been finding half

1056
00:57:52,480 --> 00:57:53,400
eaten frogs.

1057
00:57:53,960 --> 00:57:55,239
Speaker 5: Oh it's kind of like.

1058
00:57:55,280 --> 00:57:59,760
Speaker 3: Strown about for no apparent reasons, and freshwater clams just kind.

1059
00:57:59,599 --> 00:58:05,840
Speaker 6: Of oh, yeah, they love molluscs. That's something that's universal sasquatch.

1060
00:58:05,519 --> 00:58:08,039
Speaker 3: And where we're finding and we really shouldn't be finding that.

1061
00:58:08,280 --> 00:58:11,480
So it's interesting up in the Alleghanies, I mean in

1062
00:58:11,559 --> 00:58:15,320
terms of just land on land close to water. So

1063
00:58:15,840 --> 00:58:18,440
who knows what's doing it, but we're going to find out. Ken,

1064
00:58:18,920 --> 00:58:20,719
It's been a pleasure. We're already at that time for

1065
00:58:20,840 --> 00:58:24,519
the night. Yeah, any final thoughts or shameless plugs or

1066
00:58:24,519 --> 00:58:26,400
anything you'd like to do before we end the show.

1067
00:58:26,800 --> 00:58:31,639
Speaker 6: Well, I'm picking up my online cryptozoology course. If anyone's

1068
00:58:31,639 --> 00:58:34,800
interested in that, they can go to Exploring Cryptozoology on

1069
00:58:34,880 --> 00:58:38,519
Patreon or with me up on Facebook. In the middle

1070
00:58:38,559 --> 00:58:40,679
of session two, so I'm doing a class on living

1071
00:58:40,719 --> 00:58:43,239
dinosaur cryptids here in a couple of weeks and then

1072
00:58:44,039 --> 00:58:47,119
we're covering all kinds of good stuffs. I've had a

1073
00:58:47,159 --> 00:58:48,840
lot of success with it, and people seem to really

1074
00:58:48,920 --> 00:58:51,360
enjoy it. So if you really want to get really

1075
00:58:51,400 --> 00:58:54,199
in depth on a whole bunch of different types of cryptids,

1076
00:58:54,400 --> 00:58:56,360
look up my online course.

1077
00:58:57,440 --> 00:59:00,360
Speaker 3: Ken Gehard folks a great friend and we're glad to

1078
00:59:00,400 --> 00:59:02,000
have him on the show. Was finally nice to sit

1079
00:59:02,039 --> 00:59:04,880
down with him at the last conference we were at together. Yeah,

1080
00:59:05,159 --> 00:59:07,800
you know, folks travel these conferences sometimes you don't get

1081
00:59:07,800 --> 00:59:09,599
a chance to not work and just kind of hang

1082
00:59:09,639 --> 00:59:13,079
out and enjoy the company. So it was Ken, it

1083
00:59:13,159 --> 00:59:14,800
was good to see you. Thanks for popping on with

1084
00:59:14,880 --> 00:59:17,559
us tonight. Thank you, Thank you.

1085
00:59:18,000 --> 00:59:18,599
Speaker 7: Great to be here.

1086
00:59:19,440 --> 00:59:21,599
Speaker 5: One one more programming note.

1087
00:59:22,159 --> 00:59:26,079
Speaker 3: The latest episode of Investigating Investigation Bigfoot with Matt Arner

1088
00:59:26,079 --> 00:59:29,000
and myself and the Small Town Monsters team is out.

1089
00:59:29,039 --> 00:59:31,840
If you're a squad member, go to YouTube at small

1090
00:59:31,840 --> 00:59:35,039
Town Monsters check that out. If you are not a

1091
00:59:35,360 --> 00:59:38,679
squad member, you can see that dropping later on this week.

1092
00:59:39,199 --> 00:59:42,199
It's a continuation of the mini series we have going on.

1093
00:59:42,320 --> 00:59:44,800
It's a fun episode. I do a lot of hugging

1094
00:59:44,880 --> 00:59:45,559
in that episode.

1095
00:59:45,559 --> 00:59:48,639
Speaker 5: I don't know what I thought.

1096
00:59:48,639 --> 00:59:53,320
Speaker 3: I was a lots of hugs, but uh okay again taking.

1097
00:59:53,039 --> 00:59:56,719
Speaker 8: Of small town monsters. Speaking of small town monsters, I

1098
00:59:56,800 --> 00:59:59,559
want to highly recommend the Siege of Eight Canyon.

1099
01:00:00,159 --> 01:00:05,039
Speaker 1: Oh yes, I think that's released for everybody tomorrow, correct,

1100
01:00:06,239 --> 01:00:07,440
even yeah.

1101
01:00:07,519 --> 01:00:12,320
Speaker 3: Eleven eleven And if you were a Kickstarter, you've already

1102
01:00:12,360 --> 01:00:15,119
had access to it. So guys, I mean it's you're

1103
01:00:15,159 --> 01:00:17,679
going to enjoy it. Lots of great content coming your way.

1104
01:00:17,800 --> 01:00:19,480
And again we'll be the old head and say, I

1105
01:00:19,480 --> 01:00:20,679
wish we had this stuff.

1106
01:00:20,400 --> 01:00:23,480
Speaker 5: When we were growing up. A whole new generation.

1107
01:00:24,320 --> 01:00:27,639
Speaker 3: Uh so, Henry, take us out with those dulcet tones,

1108
01:00:27,719 --> 01:00:33,559
My friend, Henry, you'll be good, be good at it.

1109
01:00:34,280 --> 01:00:38,199
There it is, There it is again in two weeks.

1110
01:00:38,599 --> 01:00:45,880
Keep on squatching. Everybody you've been listening to The Sasquatch Experience,

1111
01:00:46,400 --> 01:00:54,440
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1112
01:00:54,559 --> 01:01:10,440
more information, please go to our website, Sasquatch Experience dot com.

1113
01:01:11,159 --> 01:01:11,960
Speaker 2: Keep on Spatching