Speaker 1: I'm in a house that has no electricity. And I
Speaker 1: know this because there's like oil lamps and you know,
Speaker 1: there's not a TV. That it's just kind of you know,
Speaker 1: like old, like it's just old furniture and old things.
Speaker 1: And the screen door, so the doors are open, but
Speaker 1: there's wooden screen doors with springs on them. I remember
Speaker 1: standing there kind of looking out a big picture window
Speaker 1: and you know, kind of near the door, and the
Speaker 1: sasquatch walked up onto the porch and opened the door
Speaker 1: and he had to bend over bend to get in
Speaker 1: the door. And he came in the door and stood
Speaker 1: up and he just looked at me, and instantly I
Speaker 1: was terrified.
Speaker 2: This is Bigfoot Crossroads. My name's Matt and joining me
Speaker 2: as Michelle. Michelle is a bigfooter out of Oregon and
Speaker 2: an experiencer herself. I'm pretty intrigued by what you told
Speaker 2: me in the email. Michelle. Thanks for joining me.
Speaker 1: Yeah, thanks for having me. I'm excited to talk about it.
Speaker 2: So, first off, how did you end up in the
Speaker 2: world of Bigfoot?
Speaker 1: Oh gosh, it's a really long story, but I'll make
Speaker 1: it short. So I started having dreams about Bigfoot when
Speaker 1: I was five, and it just continued through my life.
Speaker 1: They're reoccurring. So it's the same thing every time. I
Speaker 1: moved around a lot, and I got to Oregon and
Speaker 1: I was like, whoa the vibe here, I'm feeling it,
Speaker 1: you know. And so I moved to Sweet Home and
Speaker 1: instantly I was I just kind of felt like I
Speaker 1: was at home here. And that's when I found Quartzville.
Speaker 1: And so my research areas in Quartzville and I have
Speaker 1: had all of my settings there.
Speaker 2: Quartzville. That's that's an interesting name.
Speaker 1: Yeah, there's lots of quartz and lots of mines and
Speaker 1: people have claims there and stuff like that. It's also
Speaker 1: just a wonderful place to go for like boating and
Speaker 1: fishing and hunting, and it's beautiful. It's an old, old,
Speaker 1: old mining town and the town is no longer there.
Speaker 1: All that's there is a foundation, but yeah, and it
Speaker 1: just it takes up a huge area. It's kind of
Speaker 1: if you're familiar with it's in central Oregon and it's
Speaker 1: just south of Detroit Lake and just north of Oakridge.
Speaker 2: There seems to be a recurring theme with a lot
Speaker 2: of Bigfoot active areas where there are large amounts of
Speaker 2: quartz in the ground.
Speaker 1: Yes, quarts and water, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, I think
Speaker 1: it plays a huge part in it, you know, if
Speaker 1: you want to get into like the metaphysics of it,
Speaker 1: quarts and water are conduits for energy.
Speaker 2: I want to ask you about the dream.
Speaker 1: Sure, yeah, I'll talk about it.
Speaker 2: You know, I've told how I got started in all
Speaker 2: this numerous times. But one part that I sometimes leave
Speaker 2: out because I don't really remember the exact timeline of
Speaker 2: events because I was so young, but it would have
Speaker 2: been around the age of seven. I had a dream
Speaker 2: about Bigfoot that Yeah, it kind of I don't know
Speaker 2: which came first, the chicken or the egg. You know,
Speaker 2: I don't really remember knowing what Bigfoot was when I
Speaker 2: had the dream.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I can relate to that.
Speaker 2: Yeah, so yeah, I'd love to hear about your experience.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and speaking on that, you know, there's a lot
Speaker 1: of I've heard the Indigenous people of America talk about
Speaker 1: Bigfoot being in dreams and what that means, and that
Speaker 1: it's kind of like a calling, like they're they're calling you,
Speaker 1: they're speaking to you. So yeah, it's man, it's really
Speaker 1: it's overwhelming to think about it, you know, but I mean,
Speaker 1: when you're a child, that's pretty that's huge, you.
Speaker 2: Know, it was. It was very intense.
Speaker 1: Yeah. So in my dream, basically I am in a
Speaker 1: house that has no electricity. And I know this because
Speaker 1: there's like oil lamps and you know, there's not a TV.
Speaker 1: That it's just kind of you know, like old like
Speaker 1: it's just old furniture and old things. And the screen door,
Speaker 1: so the doors are open, but there's wooden screen doors
Speaker 1: with springs on them. And I remember standing there kind
Speaker 1: of looking out a big picture window and you know,
Speaker 1: kind of near the door, and this sasquatch walked up
Speaker 1: onto the porch and opened the door and he had
Speaker 1: to bend over bend to get in the door. And
Speaker 1: he came in the door and stood up and he
Speaker 1: just looked at me, and instantly I was terrified, and
Speaker 1: so I turned around and I'd run through the house
Speaker 1: and I'd run out the backscreen door, and I remember
Speaker 1: I would look to my right and I would see
Speaker 1: the sink in the kitchen, and the sink had a
Speaker 1: hand pump in it for water. And then I would
Speaker 1: go down the backsteps and into the yard and I
Speaker 1: would look over again to the right way far back
Speaker 1: in the yard, I would see another hand pump for water.
Speaker 1: So it's you know, this is old, this is like
Speaker 1: early nineteen hundreds, maybe eighteen hundreds, I don't know. So
Speaker 1: I take off running through a field and it's like
Speaker 1: a field of hay or barley or something that's tall,
Speaker 1: but not quite as tall as corn. You know, I
Speaker 1: could still kind of see over it. And because in
Speaker 1: my dream I was small, I was five years old,
Speaker 1: I'm guessing. So I would run through the the field,
Speaker 1: and every time I would turn around to look behind me,
Speaker 1: he would be just walking behind me. He was not running,
Speaker 1: not chasing, you know, just walking behind me. Not very
Speaker 1: non threatening. But of course, you know, being five years
Speaker 1: old just scared the Jesus on me. So I went
Speaker 1: through my life having that dream, and I would dream it.
Speaker 1: Probably I could dream it three or four days a week,
Speaker 1: or three or four days a month, or three or
Speaker 1: four times a year. You know, it's just really sporadic.
Speaker 1: But I did notice as I got older that it
Speaker 1: would come to me more often when I was stressed
Speaker 1: out or when I was having problems at home. So
Speaker 1: I come the age nineteen, and I remember this because
Speaker 1: I had gridduated from high school already, and I had
Speaker 1: woken up one morning and I was still living at
Speaker 1: my mother's house, and I was just overwhelmed with the
Speaker 1: dream and I was crying, and which I often did,
Speaker 1: but I remember that particular day. I went downstairs and
Speaker 1: I sat down at the kitchen table and I told
Speaker 1: my mother, I can't handle this anymore. It's stressing me out,
Speaker 1: you know. So my aunt or my mom called my
Speaker 1: aunt her sister, and my aunt she's very gifted. She's
Speaker 1: really in tune, you know, she's works with energy and stuff.
Speaker 1: So she decided that she was going to take me
Speaker 1: to see one of her psychic friends. And so we
Speaker 1: went and we spoke to her and we talked about it,
Speaker 1: and she said, well, why don't you just the next
Speaker 1: time you have the dream, tell him stop scaring you,
Speaker 1: you know. So I was like, okay, I can do that.
Speaker 1: I could try to do that. I've never really been
Speaker 1: able to control my dreams, but I can try to
Speaker 1: do that. So not that night, but the next night
Speaker 1: I had another dream, and I, you know, got the guts.
Speaker 1: I was terrified, but I stood up to him and
Speaker 1: I told him, I have to tell you something. He
Speaker 1: bent down and he got right in my face, so
Speaker 1: close to my face I can nearly feel his breath,
Speaker 1: and I said, please stop scaring me. You're terrifying me.
Speaker 1: I'm frightened. And that was it. He got up and
Speaker 1: he turned around and walked away. And then I would
Speaker 1: say anywhere from maybe a week to a month later,
Speaker 1: I had another dream, and in that dream, he started
Speaker 1: doing something different, so he would instead of coming in
Speaker 1: the house, he would sit outside or squat outside behind
Speaker 1: this big oak tree with a huge It had a
Speaker 1: huge trunk, and he would sit behind that tree and
Speaker 1: he would just peek around it and look at me.
Speaker 1: And I had that dream. Now that's the reoccurring dream
Speaker 1: that I have. Now, I haven't had it for a while,
Speaker 1: but since I've been here, I haven't had it because
Speaker 1: I got a telepathic message after i'd started having experiences
Speaker 1: here from I call him my main guy. I don't
Speaker 1: know his name or anything yet, but he told me
Speaker 1: that that was me. I've always been here protecting you.
Speaker 1: Oh wow, yeah. So and it took me, because I'm
Speaker 1: fifty two now, it took me that long to put
Speaker 1: all of this together. It's a lifetime event for me,
Speaker 1: and it consumes me now. I don't know if it's
Speaker 1: a good thing or a bad thing, but consumed by it,
Speaker 1: you know, trying to make contact and like a real
Speaker 1: and I have real communication with them. You know.
Speaker 2: Have you found the location like the house?
Speaker 1: No, that's a great question. I have not, And I
Speaker 1: think just my theory is that this has happened in
Speaker 1: a past life, like they've been with me this whole time,
Speaker 1: you know, because I mean, how else I don't It
Speaker 1: was just so old fashioned. I can still I can
Speaker 1: remember I was wearing a dress like you know, those
Speaker 1: Laura Ingalls dress, Yeah, like I would wear. I was
Speaker 1: wearing that. I remember it because I remember the apron
Speaker 1: in front of me and it had a pocket. It's
Speaker 1: really interesting, but I'm in love with it now. I
Speaker 1: didn't used to love it, but I love it now
Speaker 1: and it's part of me and it's part of my story.
Speaker 2: You know, at what point in your life did you
Speaker 2: realize what this thing was that was in your dream?
Speaker 1: You mean physically or spiritually.
Speaker 2: The realization that, oh, I'm having a dream about Bigfoot,
Speaker 2: Like did you know that instantly in the dream, like
Speaker 2: psychically or whatever, or was it something that you learned
Speaker 2: in life?
Speaker 1: Yeah, it was something I learned in life because where
Speaker 1: I grew up in Michigan was in the Lower Peninsula,
Speaker 1: and it was in the southern part, so it was
Speaker 1: predominantly farmland, and we had woods and stuff, but not
Speaker 1: nearly the amount of you know, force that you would
Speaker 1: need to harbor a family of giants, you know, So
Speaker 1: we didn't really talk about Bigfoot that much. In fact,
Speaker 1: I don't think we ever talked about it until after
Speaker 1: I started having the dreams and got a little bit older.
Speaker 1: So yeah, first I didn't know what it was. I just,
Speaker 1: you know, it was a monster to me because it
Speaker 1: was terrifying. But as I got older, I realized what
Speaker 1: it was, and then yeah, and then I got I
Speaker 1: continued to grow, and I can my I guess my spiritual,
Speaker 1: my metaphysical gifts continue to grow as well, and I
Speaker 1: kind of, you know, started getting this this hint about
Speaker 1: it that it was much deeper than just a nightmare,
Speaker 1: you know, So I quit call it call I quit
Speaker 1: calling them nightmares.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm just thinking about my own experience.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I'd be interested in hearing about some time.
Speaker 2: Or now I can run through it real quick. It's
Speaker 2: just there's a there's a very specific reason that I
Speaker 2: don't talk about it a lot, and it's not because
Speaker 2: I'm afraid to talk about those topics. I grew up
Speaker 2: experiencing paranormal stuff from a very early age, so I
Speaker 2: don't shy away from it at all. But we had
Speaker 2: a lake house which was a trailer, and my bedroom
Speaker 2: was at the end of the trailer, and I had
Speaker 2: a single window that was at the end of the trailer.
Speaker 2: And in this dream, I was in that bedroom, and
Speaker 2: whenever I had the dream, I was asleep in that bedroom.
Speaker 2: This is the first time that that had ever happened
Speaker 2: to me in my life where I had a dream
Speaker 2: about the location that I was specifically at at the time.
Speaker 2: And in the dream, I wake up to a tapping
Speaker 2: on the window. I go over to the window, and
Speaker 2: the window had these very thick like almost a canvas
Speaker 2: type material, but it was print material on the windows,
Speaker 2: but they didn't let any light in at all. And
Speaker 2: I go over there and I open up the curtains
Speaker 2: and a bigfoot is standing there outside the window. His
Speaker 2: hair is calico. That's the only way I know how
Speaker 2: to describe it. It's all these different colors. It's not
Speaker 2: just like one uniform color and he's looking at me.
Speaker 2: He has a very human type face, but it's still different.
Speaker 2: It doesn't look like, you know, a typical person or
Speaker 2: anything like that. He's very large. His head is probably
Speaker 2: even with the top of the window, and the window
Speaker 2: was probably I just remember it from my childhood, the
Speaker 2: bottom of the window was higher than my head, you know,
Speaker 2: so it's probably seven to eight feet up. And yeah,
Speaker 2: and he's just standing there looking at me, non aggressive,
Speaker 2: and he starts motioning for me to come to him,
Speaker 2: and I'm just like standing there staring at the window.
Speaker 2: Because the space there is another building outside that window,
Speaker 2: so the space between our trailer and that building is
Speaker 2: maybe fifteen feet. It's not a lot of space. So
Speaker 2: he's like right there at the window. And so that
Speaker 2: is really what was terrifying me. I don't remember recognizing
Speaker 2: it for what it was or anything. And he's just
Speaker 2: motioning with me. He's with his left hand, he's like
Speaker 2: kind of waving towards himself, and then he turns and
Speaker 2: looks and points towards the woods. There was this patch
Speaker 2: of woods, I don't know, the size is pretty big.
Speaker 2: I used to go exploring the woods that was my
Speaker 2: favorite thing to do as a child. I was always
Speaker 2: in those woods and he was pointing towards the woods,
Speaker 2: and then he looked back at me, and I knew
Speaker 2: that he wanted me to come outside and follow him
Speaker 2: into the woods. And I was like, that's not happening,
Speaker 2: absolutely not, And I throw the curtains back shut and
Speaker 2: I jump in bed and pull the blanket over my head.
Speaker 2: And that was the dream, the the weird part. As
Speaker 2: if that's not weird enough, because later on I'd be
Speaker 2: a bigfooter, the weird part. His name was David. Now
Speaker 2: I don't know if that's just my child brain at
Speaker 2: the time, that's what it sounded like. So it might
Speaker 2: have been something similar to David, I don't know, but
Speaker 2: that that was the name that registered in my head
Speaker 2: for him. And uh yeah. And then at some point
Speaker 2: I picked up a book that had like Bigfoot stories
Speaker 2: and Locknest's monster stories. It was like split in two.
Speaker 2: It was called Bigfoot and Messy, and it had like
Speaker 2: a few historical bigfoot stories in it. And that's kind
Speaker 2: of what led me down the bigfoot path. Now, I
Speaker 2: remember having that dream before the book, but I know
Speaker 2: I had that book so is it possible that I
Speaker 2: had the book and it caused the dream? Of course,
Speaker 2: maybe I'm just not remembering it right. But I remember
Speaker 2: the dream coming first because I did not know.
Speaker 1: What it was, right, I wonder was it a dream
Speaker 1: or was it real? Did that really have?
Speaker 2: Well, now now you're opening up a rabbit hole, aren't you? So?
Speaker 1: I love that?
Speaker 2: Go on, this is your episode, by the way, I know.
Speaker 2: So those woods, there was this Okay, so there's the woods,
Speaker 2: and then there was a inside of the woods, and
Speaker 2: you could walk around the edge of the meadow. The
Speaker 2: meadow had a bunch of briers and stuff in it,
Speaker 2: so you didn't want to cut across the meadow, but
Speaker 2: you could walk the tree line around the meadow. And
Speaker 2: then there was more woods on the backside. And those woods,
Speaker 2: if you just walk straight, eventually lead to the lake,
Speaker 2: and then they're paralleled by a lake on one side,
Speaker 2: and then if you went the other way, you go
Speaker 2: back to civilization. It's probably a half mile to a
Speaker 2: mile deep in there. But for whatever reason, the woods
Speaker 2: on the backside freaked me out all the time. Oh
Speaker 2: and there was one time that I was going back
Speaker 2: there and something jumped. I don't know what it was.
Speaker 2: Something jumped up in the brush next to me and
Speaker 2: took off through the tall grass. I couldn't see it.
Speaker 2: It's gared me. I didn't try to look at it.
Speaker 2: It was just large crashing sound right next to me.
Speaker 2: I thought I was dead. I probably screamed, maybe tinkled
Speaker 2: a little, and it was just still quiet. Everything's gone.
Speaker 2: Never saw anything. I never I don't remember finding any
Speaker 2: you know, footprints or anything like that. But years later
Speaker 2: after I became a bigfooter, and back in the day,
Speaker 2: whenever I was doing like field work, there was some
Speaker 2: bigfoot reports coming from the area, and I had never
Speaker 2: heard about bigfoot in the area. Spent a tremendous amount
Speaker 2: of my childhood at that lake house, new people that
Speaker 2: lived in the area and everything. But yeah, later on
Speaker 2: some reports found their way to me, and me and
Speaker 2: a buddy went and checked into it and did find
Speaker 2: some tracks and some formations and some other things. Probably
Speaker 2: about a mile from that location, just kind of around
Speaker 2: the bend at the lake, so to speak, from where
Speaker 2: that was at. So is it poss I mean, I
Speaker 2: don't know, I don't.
Speaker 1: Know whoa what state was that ind that's here in Oklahoma, really. Yeah,
Speaker 1: Oklahoma has a large population of bigfoot.
Speaker 2: From what I understand, in certain pockets there seems to
Speaker 2: be quite a bit.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 2: I mean I haven't been a researcher in years, but
Speaker 2: there's still parts of south central Oklahoma around the Native
Speaker 2: American communities where people see them literally all the time.
Speaker 1: Right. I was just going to say that it's usually
Speaker 1: around the reservations. Yeah. Yeah, so that's amazing. Thank you
Speaker 1: for sharing now with me. Yeah, it is. Well, I
Speaker 1: think it gives substance to to these children who are
Speaker 1: having these dreams about Bigfoot, who were you know, still
Speaker 1: having them and they were in the same position that
Speaker 1: you and I were in, you know, like where did
Speaker 1: they come from? Why are they there, and why did
Speaker 1: they choose us?
Speaker 2: Yeah. I mean it's definitely become, you know, the bulk
Speaker 2: of my life's work. Yeah, which sounds weird to think about, I.
Speaker 1: Know, because I'm I'm exactly the same way.
Speaker 2: So you relocated to Oregon though, Yeah, Like what was that? Like,
Speaker 2: I mean, how do you reach that decision to just
Speaker 2: I'm going to pursue.
Speaker 1: This Well, I, like I said, I've always been super
Speaker 1: interested in it, and wherever I would go, I traveled
Speaker 1: around a lot before I finally settled down. And you know,
Speaker 1: I lived in all these different states and places and stuff.
Speaker 1: So I always like, I lived in Texas, so I
Speaker 1: would go out to sam Houston and you know, look
Speaker 1: for Bigfoot just for fun. It was just a hobby
Speaker 1: for me. You know, I lived in Baltimore, I lived
Speaker 1: in Chicago. You know, we'd go to like the out
Speaker 1: out the outer parts of the city, the more forested
Speaker 1: areas and stuff in Wisconsin and stuff like that. So
Speaker 1: I moved to California and I met my daughter's father
Speaker 1: and we decided to go on a camping trip. So
Speaker 1: we drove up to Oregon and we camped in Klamath Falls,
Speaker 1: and then we drove up to Washington and came back
Speaker 1: down and we camped at Wolf Creek and Oregon just
Speaker 1: it was instantly like this magnetic attraction that I had
Speaker 1: to it, you know, to the mountains, especially to the forest,
Speaker 1: and I was like, Wow, this is really powerful. I
Speaker 1: want to live here. So within a year we had
Speaker 1: packed up our stuff and just moved up to Oregon.
Speaker 2: Wow.
Speaker 1: So yeah, and that's that was when I really that
Speaker 1: was about twelve years ago, and that was when I
Speaker 1: really started getting into it. I remember I was watching YouTube,
Speaker 1: watching my bigfoot videos, and I saw one. The one
Speaker 1: that stood out to me was when Matt Johnson had
Speaker 1: his his experience at the Oregon case. And I was
Speaker 1: just like, oh my gosh, you know, like I this
Speaker 1: is real. This I need to you know, I need
Speaker 1: to do this, this this is my calling. That I
Speaker 1: think that's when I finally realized that this was my calling,
Speaker 1: you know. So I took Oregon for I took advantage
Speaker 1: to Oregon for sure, and we ended up. At first
Speaker 1: we lived in Medford and so Grand's Pass area is
Speaker 1: pretty cool. Rogue River, oh my gosh, very squatchy. But
Speaker 1: we had an opportunity to for him to transfer up
Speaker 1: to the Sweet Home area. And when we got to
Speaker 1: sweet Home, I was just like, that was about six
Speaker 1: years ago or so. I was like, this is it.
Speaker 1: This is where I need to be. I'm home now.
Speaker 1: I can feel it. I explored Courts Bill like the
Speaker 1: first month we were here, and I was like, oh
Speaker 1: my god, this is it right here, you know, like
Speaker 1: this overwhelming sense of you know, being home. So I
Speaker 1: just started researching there and at first, you know, it
Speaker 1: was kind of off and on here and there and
Speaker 1: whenever I had a chance to get out. And I
Speaker 1: homeschool my daughter, so I was really involved in that
Speaker 1: and stuff. But since she's gotten older and more independent,
Speaker 1: and I started spending more time out there. And I
Speaker 1: never had experiences till I started putting stickers on my car,
Speaker 1: you know, like bigfoot stickers and stuff. And it was
Speaker 1: really funny because I'd go to the grocery store and
Speaker 1: I'd come out of the grocery store and I'd have
Speaker 1: a random dude standing at my car waiting for me
Speaker 1: to come out of the grocery store to tell me
Speaker 1: about his experience. And this happened a lot, so, you know.
Speaker 1: And they were hunters, fishers, sportsmen who hang out in
Speaker 1: Courtsville and do their thing, and they had these experiences.
Speaker 1: So I started following up on them. I was like, Okay,
Speaker 1: there's bigfoot up at Fay Lake. Gotcha. So I'd go
Speaker 1: to fay Lake, you know, and check it out. And
Speaker 1: so then I finally I started my group. And when
Speaker 1: I started my group, that was two years ago. I started.
Speaker 1: I actually got a group of friends together through that
Speaker 1: and we started doing heavy research. So we've been doing
Speaker 1: heavy research for about two years now. It's just going
Speaker 1: to get evolved.
Speaker 2: You mentioned in the email that you got a story
Speaker 2: from a logger. What was that.
Speaker 1: Yeah, the logging. The logger stories are really cool. So
Speaker 1: and they all kind of you know, they vouch for
Speaker 1: each other, like they'll they their stories are all the same,
Speaker 1: they're similar. So they say that when a sasquatch is
Speaker 1: in the area, uh, everything will get really super quiet.
Speaker 1: And I've experienced this, but the beavers will start slapping
Speaker 1: the water really hard and and a lot is you know,
Speaker 1: signal that there's something in the area. Wow, it's crazy. Yeah,
Speaker 1: And then they say that when they so when the
Speaker 1: loggers are out cutting down the trees and you know,
Speaker 1: doing whatever they do, they whatever, cut off the branches
Speaker 1: and stuff, they're all on foot basically, so they're on
Speaker 1: foot and they're all scattered throughout the forest. So what
Speaker 1: they do to communicate is they call. They yell at
Speaker 1: each other, right, and they say that they will be yelling, uh,
Speaker 1: communicating to each other, and bigfoot will start in the
Speaker 1: conversation and start whooping or tree knocking, you know, So
Speaker 1: they're they they their presence there is known by the
Speaker 1: local loggers.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I was gonna say, so, So they're just fully
Speaker 2: aware that these things are out there. Wow.
Speaker 1: And So I have a friend who is a logger
Speaker 1: and he has had many experiences in the same area
Speaker 1: that I have, and he actually helped me locate this
Speaker 1: area that we work at now, which I consider a habitat,
Speaker 1: and he goes up there and he starts hooting and hollering,
Speaker 1: and the hoot and holler back at him.
Speaker 2: Now, is this area like a family unit?
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, totally. It's a I believe it's like a
Speaker 1: mother and a father and at least two juveniles. So,
Speaker 1: and I also have a feeling that there's an older
Speaker 1: male as well. But I think the father is the
Speaker 1: one that communicated with me. Heeleopathically, because he's appeared from
Speaker 1: out of nowhere, like it kind of just like he
Speaker 1: stepped through a portal, like he just all of a
Speaker 1: sudden from this from the ground up. He was just poo,
Speaker 1: there he is. And then just as soon as I
Speaker 1: could register what it was and I could see his
Speaker 1: fingers and the hair on him, he disappeared. And when
Speaker 1: he disappeared, it went down into like a small circle
Speaker 1: in the center of his tour. So, you know, like
Speaker 1: it just and kind of sparkled and that was it
Speaker 1: was gone. So and that was the same day when
Speaker 1: I went home that he had told me, like, you know,
Speaker 1: this is me and I've always been here and I'm
Speaker 1: always with you.
Speaker 2: You know, mind blown.
Speaker 1: I know, it's really heavy because it goes from you know,
Speaker 1: you you think you know and everything is flesh and blood,
Speaker 1: you know, and these are creatures who have evolved or
Speaker 1: didn't evolve or something too. Now you're like, okay, that,
Speaker 1: like the whole story is written. They're not just flesh
Speaker 1: and blood, you know, they're they're more than that or else.
Speaker 1: They have abilities that you know, we can't even dream of.
Speaker 2: I mean, that's the hang up right that everybody has it.
Speaker 2: Everybody argues back and forth flesh and blood or paranormal.
Speaker 2: But you know, I've had my own sightings, I've had
Speaker 2: my own encounters. I've you know, like I said, been
Speaker 2: out in the woods investigating these things. They are flesh
Speaker 2: and blood they are, yeah, but totally but but exactly
Speaker 2: these things are happening and a few people are witnessing
Speaker 2: these things firsthand that that nothing else on this planet
Speaker 2: that we're aware of can do exactly exactly.
Speaker 1: And it's so it's scary for us because we you know,
Speaker 1: we've chosen to, you know, devote so much time of
Speaker 1: our lives to researching them, and then when something like
Speaker 1: that happens, and if you talk about it, you know,
Speaker 1: some people are just like, oh whatever, you know, like
Speaker 1: you get an active imagination. Well, you know what, it
Speaker 1: takes a lot of balls to be able to talk
Speaker 1: about it. So don't you know, don't be so quick
Speaker 1: to judge, because it could happen to you just as
Speaker 1: easily as it could happen to me.
Speaker 3: You know.
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Speaker 2: So was that your first UH siding of these things?
Speaker 1: For the most part, my first sighting was it was
Speaker 1: just UH I could see the back of them and
Speaker 1: as he moved, he moved in like time lapse, and
Speaker 1: I kind of that one. I kind of just kind
Speaker 1: of put it off. I blew it off really because
Speaker 1: I was like, I'm just imagining things, you know, like
Speaker 1: this isn't real, it's not happening. I'm just overly excited
Speaker 1: and I really want this to happen, and you know,
Speaker 1: so I just blew it off. And then that this
Speaker 1: one happened. That was my second sighting, and I was like, Okay,
Speaker 1: wait a second, there's something really going on here. So
Speaker 1: I had what I really wanted to talk about was
Speaker 1: my third sighting, and that was the one that really
Speaker 1: solidified everything as too. Yeah, it's a creature, it's flesh
Speaker 1: and blood, and it's also paranormal like everything. And I
Speaker 1: know it's real because I know what I just saw
Speaker 1: and I know that my brain didn't make it up.
Speaker 1: So what had happened was I was up at our
Speaker 1: main site and I was with one of my research partners,
Speaker 1: Eric Massey, and his fiance, and I was about ten
Speaker 1: o'clock at night, and nothing was really happening, and I
Speaker 1: was feeling like, Wow, they're just not here. Right now,
Speaker 1: they're not around. I can't you know. I wasn't getting
Speaker 1: that feeling, so I said, sorry, Eric, I'm gonna go
Speaker 1: home and sleep in my bed tonight because I only
Speaker 1: live about yeah right, I only live forty five minutes
Speaker 1: from you know, my site. So I was like, Okay,
Speaker 1: see you later. So I jumped in my car, and
Speaker 1: I remember it was so funny because I wanted to see.
Speaker 1: It was late at night, so I know, I knew
Speaker 1: nobody would be on the trail, so I was kind
Speaker 1: of timing myself, like how fast can I get down
Speaker 1: the mountain in my car?
Speaker 3: You know?
Speaker 1: So I was just playing around, and I made it
Speaker 1: in like seven minutes, I think, which was a record
Speaker 1: for me. So that was, yeah, exactly, it was pretty cool.
Speaker 1: So anyways, I started driving down Courtsville Road out of Courtsville,
Speaker 1: and I got to an area where there's a really
Speaker 1: popular I'm grown and it's kind of it's on a peninsula.
Speaker 1: And I came around the bend in the road and
Speaker 1: I saw up in front of me, I saw red
Speaker 1: glowing lights. They were like reflectors almost, and there was
Speaker 1: a set of them on the right side and a
Speaker 1: set of them on the left side, and the set
Speaker 1: on the left side were damn near on the ground.
Speaker 1: They were really close to the ground and they were
Speaker 1: kind of moving around. And then the ones up on
Speaker 1: the right hand side were behind a tree, and they
Speaker 1: were kind of coming out from behind a tree, probably
Speaker 1: about seven eight feet up right. So well, actually, I
Speaker 1: take that back. It was about five to six feet
Speaker 1: up but later on you'll know why it was seven
Speaker 1: or eight feet. So anyways, I see him peering, you know,
Speaker 1: from behind the tree. So I slowed my car way
Speaker 1: down to like a creepy crawl and until I finally
Speaker 1: came to a stop, and I was like, wait a second,
Speaker 1: who in the world would be out here in the
Speaker 1: middle of the night, ten thirty at night with steampunk
Speaker 1: goggles on? Because that's what they looked like. They looked
Speaker 1: like big round steampunk goggles, you know, except for they
Speaker 1: were glowing bright red, and I was like, what the heck.
Speaker 1: So I continued to creep five miles an hour closer
Speaker 1: to them until I'm I think I'm getting a really
Speaker 1: good look at them, you know, and I'm like, those
Speaker 1: are eyes, those are eyes looking at me, but they're glowing,
Speaker 1: you know. I was like, what the heck, this is real,
Speaker 1: And so I just steer to them, and I watched them,
Speaker 1: like the one behind the tree kept looking at me,
Speaker 1: and then she would look behind her, you know, and
Speaker 1: she'd look at me, and she'd look at the one
Speaker 1: across the road, and I'd look over at the one
Speaker 1: on the left, on the driver's side, and he's real
Speaker 1: close to the road, and he locks eyes with me
Speaker 1: and then doesn't take him off. He just keeps them
Speaker 1: right on me. He doesn't look away. And so I
Speaker 1: was like, Okay, that's when I felt like maybe I
Speaker 1: should just you know, just continue on my way, don't
Speaker 1: speed out, just you know, gradually just kind of leave.
Speaker 1: So I sped up a little bit and I started
Speaker 1: going by him. Well previously I had turned off my
Speaker 1: bright lights because I didn't want to blind them whatever
Speaker 1: it was, and so I just had my fog lights
Speaker 1: on the bottom of my car and I crept by them.
Speaker 1: And as I crept between them, the one on the
Speaker 1: left who was watching me, I saw as soon as
Speaker 1: my light hit him, his back kind of it's weird,
Speaker 1: kind of glowed and rippled and sparkled, and I was like,
Speaker 1: oh god, that's a sasquatch and it was huge. But
Speaker 1: I and I instantly it's got he's trying to cloak
Speaker 1: or he's cloaking or something, you know. And so I
Speaker 1: looked over at the other one, and the other one
Speaker 1: is still there behind the tree watching me go by.
Speaker 1: My windows are down. I didn't once have any kind
Speaker 1: of reaction like I should roll them up, you know.
Speaker 1: But they're literally like ten feet away from me on
Speaker 1: each side, you know, however wide the road is. And
Speaker 1: so I crept between them. And then once I got
Speaker 1: past them, I looked in my rear view mirror and
Speaker 1: they weren't there. They were gone. So I was like, okay,
Speaker 1: I'm going to go home and go to bed, and
Speaker 1: I did. I went home and went to bed, you know,
Speaker 1: and I woke up the next morning, and I thought
Speaker 1: about it for a while, and I was like, what
Speaker 1: what you know? So I told Eric I would be
Speaker 1: back at six o'clock in the morning, and I left
Speaker 1: my house and I came through And when I came
Speaker 1: through that area, I got a really good look at
Speaker 1: the area because it was daylight. It was in the summer,
Speaker 1: so I got a really good look and I noticed
Speaker 1: that the one on the left would have been in
Speaker 1: a ditch that was about four or four and a
Speaker 1: half feet deep. So that's why his head was so
Speaker 1: close to the ground, because he was in that ditch
Speaker 1: and he was either crouched down and bending over kind
Speaker 1: of hiding, you know, hiding its body and the tree
Speaker 1: on the other side, there's a bunch of trees there
Speaker 1: lined up perfectly. But also there's another ditch there, so
Speaker 1: you know, the five or six feet that I thought
Speaker 1: it was was actually seven or eight feet tall, you know.
Speaker 1: So yeah, so I just I went back up the
Speaker 1: hill and I told Eric, I said I saw something
Speaker 1: last night, and I told him about it, and we're
Speaker 1: just kind of like, huh, that's odd. But it took
Speaker 1: a while. It took days for it to really register,
Speaker 1: like you know, what the heck it was, and for
Speaker 1: me to be like, okay, that was a big foot
Speaker 1: two of them, you know. So, yeah, that was my
Speaker 1: most impressive sighting.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, probably, So, I mean, so like obvious, you've
Speaker 2: already said this, but we're just going to clarify once
Speaker 2: again on certain it wasn't eyeshine, It wasn't reflecting the
Speaker 2: lights off the car. The eyes were glowing red, producing
Speaker 2: their own light.
Speaker 1: They were producing their own light absolutely, and I even
Speaker 1: when I was staring at them, I was wondering why
Speaker 1: they weren't emitting it because their eyes were definitely glowing.
Speaker 1: But it wasn't like a laser. They weren't emitting if
Speaker 1: nothing was coming out like a flash light, you know.
Speaker 1: But it was like a jack a lantern, like a
Speaker 1: punpkin with a candle.
Speaker 2: In it, you know, just sort of glowing.
Speaker 1: Yes, they were glowing, yeah, and they were about They
Speaker 1: were big too. They were the size of large eggs,
Speaker 1: like large chicken eggs. And they were kind of shaped
Speaker 1: like that too. They weren't perfectly round like initially I
Speaker 1: thought when I looked at them that they were perfectly round.
Speaker 1: But then the closer I got, the more I realized
Speaker 1: that they were more oval shaped.
Speaker 2: The one that I saw through night my first sighting.
Speaker 2: That's I didn't describe it as eggs. I described it
Speaker 2: as like almond shaped. Yeah, right, one side kind of
Speaker 2: has like a thinner point in the outside edge was
Speaker 2: rounder mm hmmm.
Speaker 1: Yes, exactly, yep, That's how they were. It's amazing.
Speaker 2: So you guys were out there on the mountain, Uh,
Speaker 2: you said, you were racing down the mountain, which we
Speaker 2: do not condone for anyone listening.
Speaker 1: Uh.
Speaker 2: Always yeah, always take your time. You don't need to
Speaker 2: race the clock. Do you think maybe that they had
Speaker 2: been up there and were like intercepting you as you left?
Speaker 1: No, I don't. This is what I think. Normally I
Speaker 1: would have camped, right, I would have camped because I
Speaker 1: camp in my car. I car camp. So I think
Speaker 1: that somehow I got this message or this inkling to
Speaker 1: go down there and see them they were going to
Speaker 1: be there, because I normally I don't race down the mountain,
Speaker 1: you know what I mean, Like, you're right that it's
Speaker 1: a really stupid thing to do. But for some reason
Speaker 1: that night, I thought it was a good idea. Had
Speaker 1: I been there, had I been there a little bit earlier,
Speaker 1: a little bit later, I probably wouldn't have saw them,
Speaker 1: because obviously they were crossing the road, you know, he
Speaker 1: was waiting for her. I think she had something behind her,
Speaker 1: she added juvenile or two behind her that she was
Speaker 1: keeping an eye on, and they were all crossing the road.
Speaker 1: And to go into that campground, because I said, that
Speaker 1: campground is on a peninsula, and that's the only way
Speaker 1: that you can get into that campground. It was literally
Speaker 1: fifty feet away from the entrance to that campground, And
Speaker 1: so we went back a couple days later. I went
Speaker 1: back and we found a print there by the tree,
Speaker 1: and it was really deep because there's moss and old
Speaker 1: leafs and stuff right there, so it's super soft ground
Speaker 1: and it was a really deep print, absolutely not castable,
Speaker 1: which is unfortunate. But I did get a picture of it.
Speaker 1: And then we went to the campground and looked, and
Speaker 1: there's prints around the garbage bins there. So that's when
Speaker 1: I started paying attention to the big garbage bins at
Speaker 1: the campgrounds and stuff and finding prints around them because
Speaker 1: they go to forge through the garbage.
Speaker 2: Which is another one of those things that I'm just
Speaker 2: if you have the ability to cloak and jump in
Speaker 2: and out of portals, your eyes glow, why are you
Speaker 2: coming here to dig through trash?
Speaker 1: Yeah, right, that's a great point. I think they do
Speaker 1: it all. You know, they live just like we do.
Speaker 1: I've heard different stories from different people, like they have
Speaker 1: a food shortage in their own world, so they come
Speaker 1: here to eat our food and forage here. I don't know,
Speaker 1: I mean, that's you know, it's a wonderful theory. I
Speaker 1: could get on board with it, but I just I
Speaker 1: think that they're just like us. They just have They're
Speaker 1: like the superheroes or the superhumans. They have exceptional access
Speaker 1: usage of their penal gland, you know what I mean. Yeah,
Speaker 1: they have powers that you know, are just.
Speaker 2: Exceptional and still have biological needs like everything else.
Speaker 1: Exactly. Yeah, totally.
Speaker 2: At this point, we just go down the theory trail.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, really.
Speaker 2: And another thing is the cloaking. So if you have
Speaker 2: the ability to cloak, why does anybody ever see you?
Speaker 2: Do you think they are showing themselves intentionally or do
Speaker 2: you think maybe it's something that's difficult for them to
Speaker 2: do where that maybe can't do it all the time.
Speaker 1: I think I kind of feel like it's intentional because
Speaker 1: I noticed that a lot of the reports that I
Speaker 1: get from hunters or sportsmen who carry guns, those reports
Speaker 1: that they have are very aggressive and they're very intimidating,
Speaker 1: and they see them like full on body, you know,
Speaker 1: being and but with like researchers, more gentle type sightings, interactions,
Speaker 1: magical kind of you know happening. So I think it
Speaker 1: just depends on the situation and how they're going to react. Like,
Speaker 1: you know, if you don't want somebody in your house,
Speaker 1: what do you do? You know, you booke up, you
Speaker 1: get scary. You know you'd like ah. So you know
Speaker 1: that's what they do to keep people out.
Speaker 2: Anytime I had a firearm or you know, a camera
Speaker 2: or you know, a parabolic dish. Anytime I took all
Speaker 2: that loaded up with all the equipment, yeah, I didn't
Speaker 2: get anything. It wasn't until I left all that crap
Speaker 2: at home and started just going out there with a
Speaker 2: walking stick, you know, which was mostly for the benefit
Speaker 2: of poking around in front of me for snakes, because
Speaker 2: we have a lot of snakes here. That's whenever things
Speaker 2: started happening.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I can relate to that. Yeah, because after I
Speaker 1: saw the two on the side of the road, I
Speaker 1: a week later, I went out and got cameras for
Speaker 1: my car. I was like, this isn't going to happen again.
Speaker 1: I'm not even when I was wanting, I was watching
Speaker 1: all this happen in front of me. Never once did
Speaker 1: I have the instinct to just reach for my phone
Speaker 1: and start taking pictures. It was so weird because normally
Speaker 1: that's something I would do.
Speaker 2: I mean, that's why you're out there. Yeah, that's exactly.
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's right. But I never had that, so I
Speaker 1: got cameras and since I got camus, all my sightings
Speaker 1: or my experiences have been different. They haven't been Like
Speaker 1: just recently, I was out with Eric and one of
Speaker 1: our other team members, Tym, and we were researching. It
Speaker 1: was late at night. It was pinach dark. When it
Speaker 1: gets dark out and quartz fill, it's like you can't
Speaker 1: even see your hand in front of your face. There's
Speaker 1: no light pollution, you know, it's crazy dark. So we're
Speaker 1: out in the dark and we're on the side of
Speaker 1: the road and we're looking up at this ridge and
Speaker 1: we're shining on our flashlights up there, and we're seeing
Speaker 1: not only are we seeing eyeshine, but we're also seeing orbs,
Speaker 1: and so we know there's movement because they're throwing these
Speaker 1: rocks down onto the road. But they're very they're small,
Speaker 1: like palm sized rocks. They're not big rocks, and they're
Speaker 1: not being thrown aggressively, you know. So are shining our
Speaker 1: flashlights up there, and I'm kind of looking off to
Speaker 1: the left a little bit, and then to the right
Speaker 1: there's an edge on the ridge. Eric sees one. It
Speaker 1: stands up, it looks at us for a second, it
Speaker 1: turns round, and it walks away. I didn't see it,
Speaker 1: but I saw its eye shine before it stood up.
Speaker 1: So anyways, Eric's like, holy shit, He's like, oh my god,
Speaker 1: I just saw one. And I was like, I know,
Speaker 1: I know you did because I saw the eye shine. No,
Speaker 1: So him and Tim decide that they are going to
Speaker 1: walk down the road to see if they can get
Speaker 1: to the slope of the ridge and see if there's
Speaker 1: a pathway to go up. And so they go down,
Speaker 1: and I told him before they left, I said, don't
Speaker 1: leave me here alone. They're like, you'll be all right,
Speaker 1: don't you know, don't worry about it. So I'm standing
Speaker 1: there by my car and the pitch dark. My car's
Speaker 1: turned off, you know light, And just as soon as
Speaker 1: I see Eric and Tim's flashlights disappear around the curve,
Speaker 1: I hear four big old footsteps right behind me. Boom boom,
Speaker 1: boom boom, and I screamed for Eric because it startled me. Yeah,
Speaker 1: you know, And then the dark, I thought Eric, and
Speaker 1: here comes I can see their flashlights coming down the road.
Speaker 3: There's Eric jump so I jump in my car and
Speaker 3: I slam the door and I tell him out the window,
Speaker 3: I said, he's behind me. So Eric comes straight up
Speaker 3: to the car and he goes right straight behind the car,
Speaker 3: and I get out and I go behind him, and
Speaker 3: Tim kind of goes up this little mound in this
Speaker 3: hill there on the side of the road that we
Speaker 3: were on, and he's looking over the edge of the
Speaker 3: mound and Eric goes back and I told him, I said,
Speaker 3: it was about twenty feet behind me, no further than
Speaker 3: that was really close. And he goes over there and
Speaker 3: he's looking around. You can't see anything because it's pitch dark,
Speaker 3: even with the flashlight. It's it's weird.
Speaker 1: You can't see what you can see during the day,
Speaker 1: you know, And so that kind of that ended our
Speaker 1: experience that night. So a couple of days later, we
Speaker 1: decide that we're going to go down and check out
Speaker 1: that area and see, you know, if there was something there.
Speaker 1: So we go back and my other friend team member
Speaker 1: who shall remain anonymous, came out and he went down.
Speaker 1: He's pretty athletics, so he was able to get down
Speaker 1: that steep hill and look around and he saw there
Speaker 1: was footprints and they were about four feet apart, and
Speaker 1: there was about three or four of them, and he
Speaker 1: saw an area where there was a rock and there
Speaker 1: was moss on the rock, but something had been something large,
Speaker 1: had been sitting on that rock because all the moss
Speaker 1: was worn off or worn down, or you know, you
Speaker 1: could just see the butt imprint there. And if you
Speaker 1: sit on that rock, you can see right at road level,
Speaker 1: and you could see where my car was parked, and
Speaker 1: he could. He had eyes on me. And then off
Speaker 1: to the backside of that big boulder rock, whatever it is,
Speaker 1: all the grass is pushed down like something was sitting
Speaker 1: in it or laying in it. And then there's another
Speaker 1: right there, there's another ridge and below that you can't
Speaker 1: see over it. It goes down to the beach of
Speaker 1: the reservoir and there's like bushes and trees and stuff
Speaker 1: down there. But when Tim was sitting up there on
Speaker 1: the hill, he was listening to it. Whatever was down there,
Speaker 1: he could hear it walking around back and forth and
Speaker 1: making noise.
Speaker 2: Wow. Yeah, that's one of the most unnerving things about them,
Speaker 2: I think, is the fact that you know, they're massive.
Speaker 2: They're absolutely huge, physically impressive. Yes, unlike anything else on
Speaker 2: this planet. But they will sneak up and be right
Speaker 2: behind you, and you won't know it until they want
Speaker 2: you to know it.
Speaker 1: And this is why, this is why I know that
Speaker 1: they're not going to hurt me or anybody else that
Speaker 1: I'm out there with, because if they wanted to, they
Speaker 1: could have already.
Speaker 2: A million time for sure.
Speaker 1: But I am There was another instance that I wanted
Speaker 1: to talk to you about because it was really it
Speaker 1: was something else that had just happened fairly recently too,
Speaker 1: and it was it was kind of aggressive. So up
Speaker 1: at my main campsite, I brought out my friend Jimmy toongate.
Speaker 2: Hey I know him, yeah.
Speaker 1: Yeah, off for a X file. So anyways, I brought
Speaker 1: him out. He wanted to check out the area. And
Speaker 1: I don't bring strangers up there. I never do. I've
Speaker 1: only done it twice. I've taken him and I've taken
Speaker 1: Purcella Roseman out there. And so anyways, I took Jimmy
Speaker 1: up there and we set up camp and uh, everything
Speaker 1: was cool until it got dark. So me it got
Speaker 1: dark and me and Jimmy start hearing this noise. There's
Speaker 1: my campsites on a ridge and then above us is
Speaker 1: another like a mound or a big hill right on
Speaker 1: the other side of the trail. So so we're at
Speaker 1: the campsite. We start hearing this. It was like a
Speaker 1: snort grunt kind of sound, and you could hear it.
Speaker 1: It would be really close, and then it would be far,
Speaker 1: and then be close and it'd be far. So whatever
Speaker 1: it was, it was pacing back and forth, up and
Speaker 1: down on that hill, back and forth, back and forth,
Speaker 1: and that went on for so long, and I was terrified.
Speaker 1: My knees were shaking. That's how scared I was. I
Speaker 1: don't think I've ever been in a position where my
Speaker 1: knees shook, and I never knew what that felt like
Speaker 1: until that moment, you know, so I was. I was
Speaker 1: so scared. I think we ended up going to bed,
Speaker 1: like really early, because it was just I got in
Speaker 1: my car, he got in his, and we were like, okay,
Speaker 1: we're going to bed. So he left his audio out
Speaker 1: all night long for that, and then I woke up
Speaker 1: the next morning and I got out of my car.
Speaker 1: It took me a lot of guts because I was
Speaker 1: awake for about an hour before I finally decided, okay,
Speaker 1: I'll get out, So five o'clock in the morning. I
Speaker 1: got out of my car, I cleared my throat and
Speaker 1: I heard and that was it. It was over. Never
Speaker 1: heard it.
Speaker 2: Again, but it was still there.
Speaker 1: But it was still there. And so it's funny because
Speaker 1: you know, Jimmy, Jimmy's like he's flesh and blood, you know,
Speaker 1: he's a great researchers. He's just got it down. But
Speaker 1: so Jimmy's like he's letting people hear it, and they're like, oh,
Speaker 1: it sounds like a grizzly bear, you know, And I'm
Speaker 1: letting people hear it. They're like, yeah, it sounds like
Speaker 1: a grizzly Well, typically technically we don't have grizzlies in
Speaker 1: the Cascades. We know that's not true, but they're not
Speaker 1: registered as being an animal in the Cascades and Oregon
Speaker 1: right now. So anyways, but also bears, regardless of what
Speaker 1: kind of bear it is, if they know there's a
Speaker 1: human in the area, they will leave the area. In fact,
Speaker 1: they'll leave they'll leave the area the minute they smell gasoline,
Speaker 1: you know, like they smell a car, They're gone. I
Speaker 1: feel like it was not a bear, and we don't
Speaker 1: have wild boar. We don't have anything else that would
Speaker 1: even remotely, you know, be able to pace back and
Speaker 1: forth and make these noises. And so my theory is,
Speaker 1: I believe it was a Sasquatch. I think it was him,
Speaker 1: and I think that he was angry at me for
Speaker 1: bringing a stranger up. Nothing against Jimmy. He's a great guy.
Speaker 1: He's a good researcher. But my guy wasn't familiar with them,
Speaker 1: you know what I mean. I took it as a
Speaker 1: sign I will will not take another stranger up there again.
Speaker 1: I won't do it.
Speaker 2: That was one of the kind of you know, tricks
Speaker 2: we had in our pocket back in the day for locations.
Speaker 2: You know, we were spread out all over the United States,
Speaker 2: and everybody kind of had their own areas that they
Speaker 2: would go to back at home, and if that area,
Speaker 2: you know, they kind of got acclimated to the people,
Speaker 2: it seemed that the activity would die down and they
Speaker 2: would get used to them and be like, oh, well
Speaker 2: that's just so, and so you know, we're not we're
Speaker 2: not going to show out for them, and to get
Speaker 2: the activity going again, that was a thing that we
Speaker 2: would do. We would take someone new to the location
Speaker 2: and it almost never failed. You take some new Yeah,
Speaker 2: you take somebody new to the location that you've kind
Speaker 2: of habituated. They they act up. They don't like it.
Speaker 2: They're like, who is this? You have betrayed our trust?
Speaker 2: Why would you bring good technique?
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, that's a good technique. Yep, yeah, I was.
Speaker 1: I don't know if I would do that, right, I don't. Yeah,
Speaker 1: because I have such I feel like I have such
Speaker 1: a good relationship with them. Now. I went out there
Speaker 1: a couple of days ago to say bye to them,
Speaker 1: and then a couple of days later, I got a
Speaker 1: calling to go back up, and so I went back
Speaker 1: up and there was activity. They were all around me.
Speaker 1: It was like the whole troop showed up to say goodbye.
Speaker 1: But they wouldn't show me. They wouldn't show me themselves,
Speaker 1: and they never did, but I could hear them, and
Speaker 1: what it sounded like was it sounded like humans hiding
Speaker 1: in the forest trying not to make noise. You know,
Speaker 1: you know when you try not to make noise, but
Speaker 1: you make noise. Anyways, that's what it sounded like.
Speaker 2: Are you finding like glyphs or anything like that.
Speaker 1: No, Well, we find a lot of structures, and then
Speaker 1: I'm thinking, because this is kind of new to me,
Speaker 1: the glyphs and stuff. I'm thinking that a lot of
Speaker 1: the stuff that I do find is it's like twigs
Speaker 1: and branches. And I took a lot of pictures of
Speaker 1: some stuff that I found, and now that I compare them,
Speaker 1: I'm thinking that they perhaps might be glyphs. So I
Speaker 1: know that there's some kind of sign and there's some
Speaker 1: kind of communication. I just haven't figured out what it
Speaker 1: is yet.
Speaker 2: We don't have to talk a lot about it, but
Speaker 2: I do want to get your thoughts on something. You
Speaker 2: have a paranormal background.
Speaker 1: I do.
Speaker 2: I've always been of the thought that people kind of
Speaker 2: mistakenly associate paranormal activity with homes and old buildings and
Speaker 2: cemeteries and places like that, but they don't really think
Speaker 2: about it out in the middle of nowhere in the mountains,
Speaker 2: for instance.
Speaker 1: Yeah, totally.
Speaker 2: Do you think that some stuff might be people running
Speaker 2: across things other than Bigfoot and they're just attributing it
Speaker 2: to Bigfoot?
Speaker 1: Absolutely? That thought of cross has crossed my mind so
Speaker 1: many times, especially because we have pictures where you know,
Speaker 1: we kind of it's distorted, or it kind of looks
Speaker 1: like a portal or you know something like that, And
Speaker 1: I sometimes I get confused by that, like, well, maybe
Speaker 1: you know it might be just a haunting or a
Speaker 1: ghost or you know, some kind of spirit or something,
Speaker 1: or even some kind of spirit of the forest, you know.
Speaker 1: So yeah, I think it happens a lot.
Speaker 2: I'm going to use the word psychically for lack of a
Speaker 2: better word. Do the Bigfoot feel different than say a
Speaker 2: spirit does?
Speaker 1: Absolutely? To me, it does. It's kind of hard to
Speaker 1: explain it. It's like when you're in a like a
Speaker 1: spirit realm, when you're dealing with spirits, right, you're dealing
Speaker 1: with energy, and when you're dealing when you're dealing with sasquatch,
Speaker 1: you're dealing with the physical energy. The energy is different,
Speaker 1: the vibe is different, right, So you know that, Like
Speaker 1: I can feel if there's if it's a sasquatch in
Speaker 1: the forest, because I can feel that that earthly presence.
Speaker 1: But if it's a spirit, it feels it's more of
Speaker 1: like a vibe, like a vibration, you know. I I
Speaker 1: can tell the difference. I don't know if other people can,
Speaker 1: but that's how I can tell the difference. Recently, my
Speaker 1: friend Carlos came out and Carlo Sabasco, and he plays
Speaker 1: the dittery doo and the flute and he does clearings
Speaker 1: and he also activates ley lines and stuff like that.
Speaker 1: So we decided that we were going to go out
Speaker 1: there in the middle of the night. Was like one
Speaker 1: o'clock in the morning. He set up a canopy. It
Speaker 1: was pouring rain, I mean, it was just coming down,
Speaker 1: and he played his instruments and he did this this
Speaker 1: beautiful song. He sings too, so archaic singing, you know,
Speaker 1: and he did this and I had something growl in
Speaker 1: my ear and it was so strange. We started hearing
Speaker 1: voices that that sounded like they were in another room
Speaker 1: with the door shut, like it was another dimension. Yeah, yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: it was. It was so weird, but it was so
Speaker 1: I'm into that. I liked it, you know what I mean,
Speaker 1: Like I was there for it, but I'm no stranger
Speaker 1: to it either, So I know, you knows what's good
Speaker 1: and what's bad vibes and energy, and I know we
Speaker 1: just had really good energy and vibes that night.
Speaker 2: So is there anything you want to pitch how people
Speaker 2: can get a hold of you or your page or anything.
Speaker 1: Yeah, totally. So On Facebook I'm Michelle Heaton and you
Speaker 1: can look me up on Facebook and communicate mostly with
Speaker 1: people through messengers, so that's a really good way to
Speaker 1: get a hold of me. I also have my Bigfoot group.
Speaker 1: It's on Facebook as well. It's a private group, so
Speaker 1: you will be vetted when you join, but we are
Speaker 1: always welcoming, you know, people who are interested in and
Speaker 1: have you know, a good vibe about you know, learning
Speaker 1: and experiencing and stuff like that. So the name of
Speaker 1: my group is Sweet Home, Oregon Sasquatch Research Group and
Speaker 1: that's where you can find us.
Speaker 2: Michelle, I have enjoyed this. I'm glad that you reached
Speaker 2: out and I look forward to future conversations with you
Speaker 2: for sure.
Speaker 1: Yeah, me too. It was really great. Thank you so
Speaker 1: much for allowing me to do this. It was great.
Speaker 2: If you've had your own experience with Bigfoot and you'd
Speaker 2: like to share your story on the podcast, email me
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Speaker 2: the woods.