WEBVTT 1 00:00:00.080 --> 00:00:02.399 I'm in a house that has no electricity. And I 2 00:00:02.439 --> 00:00:05.799 know this because there's like oil lamps and you know, 3 00:00:05.839 --> 00:00:09.080 there's not a TV. That it's just kind of you know, 4 00:00:09.160 --> 00:00:13.720 like old, like it's just old furniture and old things. 5 00:00:13.880 --> 00:00:17.559 And the screen door, so the doors are open, but 6 00:00:17.640 --> 00:00:22.600 there's wooden screen doors with springs on them. I remember 7 00:00:22.760 --> 00:00:26.039 standing there kind of looking out a big picture window 8 00:00:26.280 --> 00:00:29.359 and you know, kind of near the door, and the 9 00:00:30.000 --> 00:00:33.840 sasquatch walked up onto the porch and opened the door 10 00:00:34.079 --> 00:00:37.359 and he had to bend over bend to get in 11 00:00:37.399 --> 00:00:39.679 the door. And he came in the door and stood 12 00:00:39.759 --> 00:00:44.039 up and he just looked at me, and instantly I 13 00:00:44.240 --> 00:00:45.359 was terrified. 14 00:01:18.560 --> 00:01:21.519 This is Bigfoot Crossroads. My name's Matt and joining me 15 00:01:21.560 --> 00:01:25.760 as Michelle. Michelle is a bigfooter out of Oregon and 16 00:01:25.799 --> 00:01:31.799 an experiencer herself. I'm pretty intrigued by what you told 17 00:01:31.799 --> 00:01:33.840 me in the email. Michelle. Thanks for joining me. 18 00:01:35.280 --> 00:01:38.120 Yeah, thanks for having me. I'm excited to talk about it. 19 00:01:39.280 --> 00:01:43.560 So, first off, how did you end up in the 20 00:01:43.560 --> 00:01:44.519 world of Bigfoot? 21 00:01:46.120 --> 00:01:49.439 Oh gosh, it's a really long story, but I'll make 22 00:01:49.480 --> 00:01:53.200 it short. So I started having dreams about Bigfoot when 23 00:01:53.200 --> 00:01:56.400 I was five, and it just continued through my life. 24 00:01:56.959 --> 00:02:00.239 They're reoccurring. So it's the same thing every time. I 25 00:02:00.319 --> 00:02:02.680 moved around a lot, and I got to Oregon and 26 00:02:02.760 --> 00:02:06.799 I was like, whoa the vibe here, I'm feeling it, 27 00:02:07.040 --> 00:02:11.520 you know. And so I moved to Sweet Home and 28 00:02:11.879 --> 00:02:16.199 instantly I was I just kind of felt like I 29 00:02:16.280 --> 00:02:22.000 was at home here. And that's when I found Quartzville. 30 00:02:22.439 --> 00:02:26.120 And so my research areas in Quartzville and I have 31 00:02:26.319 --> 00:02:28.280 had all of my settings there. 32 00:02:29.599 --> 00:02:33.199 Quartzville. That's that's an interesting name. 33 00:02:33.919 --> 00:02:37.159 Yeah, there's lots of quartz and lots of mines and 34 00:02:37.240 --> 00:02:41.240 people have claims there and stuff like that. It's also 35 00:02:42.199 --> 00:02:44.680 just a wonderful place to go for like boating and 36 00:02:44.759 --> 00:02:48.719 fishing and hunting, and it's beautiful. It's an old, old, 37 00:02:48.800 --> 00:02:52.479 old mining town and the town is no longer there. 38 00:02:52.520 --> 00:02:56.280 All that's there is a foundation, but yeah, and it 39 00:02:56.439 --> 00:02:58.919 just it takes up a huge area. It's kind of 40 00:02:58.960 --> 00:03:02.719 if you're familiar with it's in central Oregon and it's 41 00:03:02.879 --> 00:03:09.360 just south of Detroit Lake and just north of Oakridge. 42 00:03:09.639 --> 00:03:14.639 There seems to be a recurring theme with a lot 43 00:03:14.639 --> 00:03:19.800 of Bigfoot active areas where there are large amounts of 44 00:03:19.879 --> 00:03:21.039 quartz in the ground. 45 00:03:22.319 --> 00:03:27.080 Yes, quarts and water, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, I think 46 00:03:27.159 --> 00:03:29.439 it plays a huge part in it, you know, if 47 00:03:29.479 --> 00:03:32.439 you want to get into like the metaphysics of it, 48 00:03:33.879 --> 00:03:37.240 quarts and water are conduits for energy. 49 00:03:38.560 --> 00:03:41.039 I want to ask you about the dream. 50 00:03:41.319 --> 00:03:43.240 Sure, yeah, I'll talk about it. 51 00:03:43.800 --> 00:03:46.599 You know, I've told how I got started in all 52 00:03:46.639 --> 00:03:52.719 this numerous times. But one part that I sometimes leave 53 00:03:52.800 --> 00:03:57.560 out because I don't really remember the exact timeline of 54 00:03:57.599 --> 00:03:59.599 events because I was so young, but it would have 55 00:03:59.599 --> 00:04:04.439 been around the age of seven. I had a dream 56 00:04:04.479 --> 00:04:10.080 about Bigfoot that Yeah, it kind of I don't know 57 00:04:12.240 --> 00:04:14.159 which came first, the chicken or the egg. You know, 58 00:04:14.240 --> 00:04:18.040 I don't really remember knowing what Bigfoot was when I 59 00:04:18.079 --> 00:04:18.759 had the dream. 60 00:04:19.319 --> 00:04:20.560 Yeah, I can relate to that. 61 00:04:20.920 --> 00:04:24.319 Yeah, so yeah, I'd love to hear about your experience. 62 00:04:25.600 --> 00:04:28.839 Yeah, and speaking on that, you know, there's a lot 63 00:04:28.879 --> 00:04:34.920 of I've heard the Indigenous people of America talk about 64 00:04:35.560 --> 00:04:39.519 Bigfoot being in dreams and what that means, and that 65 00:04:39.600 --> 00:04:42.639 it's kind of like a calling, like they're they're calling you, 66 00:04:42.759 --> 00:04:47.439 they're speaking to you. So yeah, it's man, it's really 67 00:04:47.839 --> 00:04:53.199 it's overwhelming to think about it, you know, but I mean, 68 00:04:53.240 --> 00:04:59.519 when you're a child, that's pretty that's huge, you. 69 00:04:59.480 --> 00:05:03.079 Know, it was. It was very intense. 70 00:05:04.120 --> 00:05:09.639 Yeah. So in my dream, basically I am in a 71 00:05:09.680 --> 00:05:12.439 house that has no electricity. And I know this because 72 00:05:12.480 --> 00:05:16.000 there's like oil lamps and you know, there's not a TV. 73 00:05:16.519 --> 00:05:19.079 That it's just kind of you know, like old like 74 00:05:19.319 --> 00:05:25.160 it's just old furniture and old things. And the screen door, 75 00:05:25.480 --> 00:05:28.800 so the doors are open, but there's wooden screen doors 76 00:05:29.519 --> 00:05:34.959 with springs on them. And I remember standing there kind 77 00:05:34.959 --> 00:05:37.759 of looking out a big picture window and you know, 78 00:05:38.040 --> 00:05:42.920 kind of near the door, and this sasquatch walked up 79 00:05:42.920 --> 00:05:46.680 onto the porch and opened the door and he had 80 00:05:46.680 --> 00:05:49.839 to bend over bend to get in the door. And 81 00:05:49.879 --> 00:05:52.000 he came in the door and stood up and he 82 00:05:52.160 --> 00:05:58.959 just looked at me, and instantly I was terrified, and 83 00:05:59.040 --> 00:06:02.639 so I turned around and I'd run through the house 84 00:06:02.680 --> 00:06:06.680 and I'd run out the backscreen door, and I remember 85 00:06:06.879 --> 00:06:10.240 I would look to my right and I would see 86 00:06:10.279 --> 00:06:12.800 the sink in the kitchen, and the sink had a 87 00:06:12.920 --> 00:06:18.120 hand pump in it for water. And then I would 88 00:06:18.120 --> 00:06:22.120 go down the backsteps and into the yard and I 89 00:06:22.160 --> 00:06:26.560 would look over again to the right way far back 90 00:06:26.600 --> 00:06:29.720 in the yard, I would see another hand pump for water. 91 00:06:30.199 --> 00:06:33.079 So it's you know, this is old, this is like 92 00:06:34.160 --> 00:06:38.079 early nineteen hundreds, maybe eighteen hundreds, I don't know. So 93 00:06:39.240 --> 00:06:41.600 I take off running through a field and it's like 94 00:06:41.639 --> 00:06:46.519 a field of hay or barley or something that's tall, 95 00:06:46.600 --> 00:06:49.639 but not quite as tall as corn. You know, I 96 00:06:49.639 --> 00:06:53.399 could still kind of see over it. And because in 97 00:06:53.399 --> 00:06:55.959 my dream I was small, I was five years old, 98 00:06:56.160 --> 00:07:01.120 I'm guessing. So I would run through the the field, 99 00:07:01.720 --> 00:07:04.199 and every time I would turn around to look behind me, 100 00:07:04.800 --> 00:07:08.519 he would be just walking behind me. He was not running, 101 00:07:08.600 --> 00:07:13.120 not chasing, you know, just walking behind me. Not very 102 00:07:13.240 --> 00:07:17.720 non threatening. But of course, you know, being five years 103 00:07:17.720 --> 00:07:23.240 old just scared the Jesus on me. So I went 104 00:07:23.360 --> 00:07:27.560 through my life having that dream, and I would dream it. 105 00:07:27.800 --> 00:07:31.160 Probably I could dream it three or four days a week, 106 00:07:31.480 --> 00:07:35.040 or three or four days a month, or three or 107 00:07:35.040 --> 00:07:38.879 four times a year. You know, it's just really sporadic. 108 00:07:39.800 --> 00:07:42.399 But I did notice as I got older that it 109 00:07:42.439 --> 00:07:46.040 would come to me more often when I was stressed 110 00:07:46.040 --> 00:07:51.360 out or when I was having problems at home. So 111 00:07:53.639 --> 00:07:59.279 I come the age nineteen, and I remember this because 112 00:07:59.279 --> 00:08:03.639 I had gridduated from high school already, and I had 113 00:08:03.680 --> 00:08:05.720 woken up one morning and I was still living at 114 00:08:05.720 --> 00:08:10.879 my mother's house, and I was just overwhelmed with the 115 00:08:10.959 --> 00:08:15.279 dream and I was crying, and which I often did, 116 00:08:15.360 --> 00:08:18.759 but I remember that particular day. I went downstairs and 117 00:08:18.800 --> 00:08:21.720 I sat down at the kitchen table and I told 118 00:08:21.720 --> 00:08:26.199 my mother, I can't handle this anymore. It's stressing me out, 119 00:08:26.480 --> 00:08:31.160 you know. So my aunt or my mom called my 120 00:08:31.240 --> 00:08:35.639 aunt her sister, and my aunt she's very gifted. She's 121 00:08:36.279 --> 00:08:40.320 really in tune, you know, she's works with energy and stuff. 122 00:08:40.399 --> 00:08:44.080 So she decided that she was going to take me 123 00:08:44.120 --> 00:08:48.799 to see one of her psychic friends. And so we 124 00:08:48.840 --> 00:08:51.480 went and we spoke to her and we talked about it, 125 00:08:51.559 --> 00:08:55.519 and she said, well, why don't you just the next 126 00:08:55.559 --> 00:09:00.519 time you have the dream, tell him stop scaring you, 127 00:09:00.519 --> 00:09:03.480 you know. So I was like, okay, I can do that. 128 00:09:03.519 --> 00:09:05.600 I could try to do that. I've never really been 129 00:09:05.639 --> 00:09:07.879 able to control my dreams, but I can try to 130 00:09:07.879 --> 00:09:12.360 do that. So not that night, but the next night 131 00:09:12.440 --> 00:09:18.000 I had another dream, and I, you know, got the guts. 132 00:09:18.360 --> 00:09:21.480 I was terrified, but I stood up to him and 133 00:09:21.559 --> 00:09:23.720 I told him, I have to tell you something. He 134 00:09:23.879 --> 00:09:26.320 bent down and he got right in my face, so 135 00:09:26.480 --> 00:09:28.919 close to my face I can nearly feel his breath, 136 00:09:29.879 --> 00:09:34.600 and I said, please stop scaring me. You're terrifying me. 137 00:09:34.840 --> 00:09:39.360 I'm frightened. And that was it. He got up and 138 00:09:39.399 --> 00:09:43.399 he turned around and walked away. And then I would 139 00:09:43.480 --> 00:09:46.759 say anywhere from maybe a week to a month later, 140 00:09:46.799 --> 00:09:50.200 I had another dream, and in that dream, he started 141 00:09:50.200 --> 00:09:54.840 doing something different, so he would instead of coming in 142 00:09:54.919 --> 00:09:59.720 the house, he would sit outside or squat outside behind 143 00:09:59.759 --> 00:10:03.399 this big oak tree with a huge It had a 144 00:10:03.480 --> 00:10:07.080 huge trunk, and he would sit behind that tree and 145 00:10:07.120 --> 00:10:09.039 he would just peek around it and look at me. 146 00:10:10.200 --> 00:10:13.320 And I had that dream. Now that's the reoccurring dream 147 00:10:13.320 --> 00:10:15.399 that I have. Now, I haven't had it for a while, 148 00:10:15.480 --> 00:10:20.840 but since I've been here, I haven't had it because 149 00:10:22.960 --> 00:10:28.320 I got a telepathic message after i'd started having experiences 150 00:10:28.399 --> 00:10:33.320 here from I call him my main guy. I don't 151 00:10:33.320 --> 00:10:36.679 know his name or anything yet, but he told me 152 00:10:36.799 --> 00:10:40.679 that that was me. I've always been here protecting you. 153 00:10:41.080 --> 00:10:46.039 Oh wow, yeah. So and it took me, because I'm 154 00:10:46.039 --> 00:10:50.480 fifty two now, it took me that long to put 155 00:10:50.559 --> 00:10:54.039 all of this together. It's a lifetime event for me, 156 00:10:54.480 --> 00:10:57.840 and it consumes me now. I don't know if it's 157 00:10:57.840 --> 00:11:01.200 a good thing or a bad thing, but consumed by it, 158 00:11:02.080 --> 00:11:05.919 you know, trying to make contact and like a real 159 00:11:07.240 --> 00:11:11.080 and I have real communication with them. You know. 160 00:11:12.120 --> 00:11:14.519 Have you found the location like the house? 161 00:11:16.519 --> 00:11:20.879 No, that's a great question. I have not, And I 162 00:11:20.919 --> 00:11:26.720 think just my theory is that this has happened in 163 00:11:26.759 --> 00:11:32.000 a past life, like they've been with me this whole time, 164 00:11:32.639 --> 00:11:36.559 you know, because I mean, how else I don't It 165 00:11:36.679 --> 00:11:39.039 was just so old fashioned. I can still I can 166 00:11:39.120 --> 00:11:41.519 remember I was wearing a dress like you know, those 167 00:11:41.639 --> 00:11:44.600 Laura Ingalls dress, Yeah, like I would wear. I was 168 00:11:44.639 --> 00:11:47.399 wearing that. I remember it because I remember the apron 169 00:11:47.480 --> 00:11:49.679 in front of me and it had a pocket. It's 170 00:11:49.720 --> 00:11:52.360 really interesting, but I'm in love with it now. I 171 00:11:52.399 --> 00:11:55.000 didn't used to love it, but I love it now 172 00:11:55.039 --> 00:11:58.240 and it's part of me and it's part of my story. 173 00:11:58.759 --> 00:12:02.279 You know, at what point in your life did you 174 00:12:02.360 --> 00:12:06.360 realize what this thing was that was in your dream? 175 00:12:07.840 --> 00:12:10.840 You mean physically or spiritually. 176 00:12:10.759 --> 00:12:14.000 The realization that, oh, I'm having a dream about Bigfoot, 177 00:12:14.360 --> 00:12:16.879 Like did you know that instantly in the dream, like 178 00:12:17.000 --> 00:12:19.480 psychically or whatever, or was it something that you learned 179 00:12:19.480 --> 00:12:20.879 in life? 180 00:12:21.159 --> 00:12:23.759 Yeah, it was something I learned in life because where 181 00:12:23.799 --> 00:12:26.480 I grew up in Michigan was in the Lower Peninsula, 182 00:12:26.600 --> 00:12:29.159 and it was in the southern part, so it was 183 00:12:29.639 --> 00:12:33.639 predominantly farmland, and we had woods and stuff, but not 184 00:12:33.679 --> 00:12:36.519 nearly the amount of you know, force that you would 185 00:12:36.519 --> 00:12:40.799 need to harbor a family of giants, you know, So 186 00:12:41.720 --> 00:12:45.519 we didn't really talk about Bigfoot that much. In fact, 187 00:12:45.559 --> 00:12:48.159 I don't think we ever talked about it until after 188 00:12:48.240 --> 00:12:51.159 I started having the dreams and got a little bit older. 189 00:12:51.919 --> 00:12:57.840 So yeah, first I didn't know what it was. I just, 190 00:12:58.080 --> 00:13:00.320 you know, it was a monster to me because it 191 00:13:00.360 --> 00:13:04.159 was terrifying. But as I got older, I realized what 192 00:13:04.240 --> 00:13:08.919 it was, and then yeah, and then I got I 193 00:13:08.960 --> 00:13:13.399 continued to grow, and I can my I guess my spiritual, 194 00:13:13.480 --> 00:13:18.159 my metaphysical gifts continue to grow as well, and I 195 00:13:18.279 --> 00:13:22.399 kind of, you know, started getting this this hint about 196 00:13:22.440 --> 00:13:27.000 it that it was much deeper than just a nightmare, 197 00:13:27.600 --> 00:13:30.519 you know, So I quit call it call I quit 198 00:13:30.600 --> 00:13:31.720 calling them nightmares. 199 00:13:33.679 --> 00:13:36.840 Yeah, I'm just thinking about my own experience. 200 00:13:38.320 --> 00:13:43.879 Yeah, I'd be interested in hearing about some time. 201 00:13:43.840 --> 00:13:47.759 Or now I can run through it real quick. It's 202 00:13:47.840 --> 00:13:50.559 just there's a there's a very specific reason that I 203 00:13:50.559 --> 00:13:53.200 don't talk about it a lot, and it's not because 204 00:13:53.200 --> 00:13:56.840 I'm afraid to talk about those topics. I grew up 205 00:13:56.879 --> 00:14:03.559 experiencing paranormal stuff from a very early age, so I 206 00:14:03.559 --> 00:14:06.919 don't shy away from it at all. But we had 207 00:14:07.600 --> 00:14:11.320 a lake house which was a trailer, and my bedroom 208 00:14:11.799 --> 00:14:14.440 was at the end of the trailer, and I had 209 00:14:14.480 --> 00:14:17.720 a single window that was at the end of the trailer. 210 00:14:18.840 --> 00:14:23.559 And in this dream, I was in that bedroom, and 211 00:14:23.600 --> 00:14:26.120 whenever I had the dream, I was asleep in that bedroom. 212 00:14:26.159 --> 00:14:28.159 This is the first time that that had ever happened 213 00:14:28.200 --> 00:14:31.080 to me in my life where I had a dream 214 00:14:31.159 --> 00:14:33.919 about the location that I was specifically at at the time. 215 00:14:34.559 --> 00:14:38.840 And in the dream, I wake up to a tapping 216 00:14:38.879 --> 00:14:42.519 on the window. I go over to the window, and 217 00:14:42.559 --> 00:14:49.759 the window had these very thick like almost a canvas 218 00:14:49.799 --> 00:14:52.559 type material, but it was print material on the windows, 219 00:14:52.559 --> 00:14:55.960 but they didn't let any light in at all. And 220 00:14:57.159 --> 00:14:59.440 I go over there and I open up the curtains 221 00:15:00.440 --> 00:15:05.120 and a bigfoot is standing there outside the window. His 222 00:15:05.720 --> 00:15:11.000 hair is calico. That's the only way I know how 223 00:15:11.000 --> 00:15:14.080 to describe it. It's all these different colors. It's not 224 00:15:14.240 --> 00:15:20.240 just like one uniform color and he's looking at me. 225 00:15:20.440 --> 00:15:24.399 He has a very human type face, but it's still different. 226 00:15:24.440 --> 00:15:26.919 It doesn't look like, you know, a typical person or 227 00:15:26.919 --> 00:15:33.039 anything like that. He's very large. His head is probably 228 00:15:33.120 --> 00:15:36.600 even with the top of the window, and the window 229 00:15:36.720 --> 00:15:41.080 was probably I just remember it from my childhood, the 230 00:15:41.399 --> 00:15:44.519 bottom of the window was higher than my head, you know, 231 00:15:44.600 --> 00:15:48.679 so it's probably seven to eight feet up. And yeah, 232 00:15:48.720 --> 00:15:52.080 and he's just standing there looking at me, non aggressive, 233 00:15:52.600 --> 00:15:57.559 and he starts motioning for me to come to him, 234 00:15:58.919 --> 00:16:01.480 and I'm just like standing there staring at the window. 235 00:16:01.480 --> 00:16:05.559 Because the space there is another building outside that window, 236 00:16:06.320 --> 00:16:11.159 so the space between our trailer and that building is 237 00:16:11.279 --> 00:16:13.799 maybe fifteen feet. It's not a lot of space. So 238 00:16:13.919 --> 00:16:17.879 he's like right there at the window. And so that 239 00:16:18.679 --> 00:16:23.600 is really what was terrifying me. I don't remember recognizing 240 00:16:23.600 --> 00:16:27.720 it for what it was or anything. And he's just 241 00:16:27.840 --> 00:16:31.399 motioning with me. He's with his left hand, he's like 242 00:16:31.679 --> 00:16:35.320 kind of waving towards himself, and then he turns and 243 00:16:35.360 --> 00:16:41.360 looks and points towards the woods. There was this patch 244 00:16:41.360 --> 00:16:44.679 of woods, I don't know, the size is pretty big. 245 00:16:44.720 --> 00:16:46.799 I used to go exploring the woods that was my 246 00:16:46.840 --> 00:16:48.480 favorite thing to do as a child. I was always 247 00:16:48.480 --> 00:16:51.559 in those woods and he was pointing towards the woods, 248 00:16:51.559 --> 00:16:54.000 and then he looked back at me, and I knew 249 00:16:54.039 --> 00:16:56.240 that he wanted me to come outside and follow him 250 00:16:56.240 --> 00:16:59.360 into the woods. And I was like, that's not happening, 251 00:17:00.360 --> 00:17:04.119 absolutely not, And I throw the curtains back shut and 252 00:17:04.160 --> 00:17:06.359 I jump in bed and pull the blanket over my head. 253 00:17:06.880 --> 00:17:13.319 And that was the dream, the the weird part. As 254 00:17:13.359 --> 00:17:15.720 if that's not weird enough, because later on I'd be 255 00:17:15.759 --> 00:17:24.640 a bigfooter, the weird part. His name was David. Now 256 00:17:25.400 --> 00:17:29.119 I don't know if that's just my child brain at 257 00:17:29.119 --> 00:17:33.359 the time, that's what it sounded like. So it might 258 00:17:33.359 --> 00:17:39.119 have been something similar to David, I don't know, but 259 00:17:39.200 --> 00:17:42.200 that that was the name that registered in my head 260 00:17:43.440 --> 00:17:49.119 for him. And uh yeah. And then at some point 261 00:17:49.160 --> 00:17:53.599 I picked up a book that had like Bigfoot stories 262 00:17:53.640 --> 00:17:56.640 and Locknest's monster stories. It was like split in two. 263 00:17:57.119 --> 00:17:59.680 It was called Bigfoot and Messy, and it had like 264 00:17:59.759 --> 00:18:03.119 a few historical bigfoot stories in it. And that's kind 265 00:18:03.119 --> 00:18:07.440 of what led me down the bigfoot path. Now, I 266 00:18:07.519 --> 00:18:13.160 remember having that dream before the book, but I know 267 00:18:13.279 --> 00:18:16.599 I had that book so is it possible that I 268 00:18:16.640 --> 00:18:18.839 had the book and it caused the dream? Of course, 269 00:18:19.119 --> 00:18:23.079 maybe I'm just not remembering it right. But I remember 270 00:18:23.119 --> 00:18:25.680 the dream coming first because I did not know. 271 00:18:27.319 --> 00:18:33.240 What it was, right, I wonder was it a dream 272 00:18:33.359 --> 00:18:35.920 or was it real? Did that really have? 273 00:18:37.119 --> 00:18:42.440 Well, now now you're opening up a rabbit hole, aren't you? So? 274 00:18:44.759 --> 00:18:45.319 I love that? 275 00:18:46.440 --> 00:18:49.599 Go on, this is your episode, by the way, I know. 276 00:18:51.039 --> 00:18:57.920 So those woods, there was this Okay, so there's the woods, 277 00:18:58.759 --> 00:19:03.599 and then there was a inside of the woods, and 278 00:19:03.640 --> 00:19:05.519 you could walk around the edge of the meadow. The 279 00:19:05.559 --> 00:19:07.519 meadow had a bunch of briers and stuff in it, 280 00:19:07.559 --> 00:19:10.000 so you didn't want to cut across the meadow, but 281 00:19:10.079 --> 00:19:13.240 you could walk the tree line around the meadow. And 282 00:19:13.279 --> 00:19:16.599 then there was more woods on the backside. And those woods, 283 00:19:16.960 --> 00:19:19.319 if you just walk straight, eventually lead to the lake, 284 00:19:19.920 --> 00:19:22.359 and then they're paralleled by a lake on one side, 285 00:19:22.799 --> 00:19:25.039 and then if you went the other way, you go 286 00:19:25.119 --> 00:19:31.160 back to civilization. It's probably a half mile to a 287 00:19:31.240 --> 00:19:36.079 mile deep in there. But for whatever reason, the woods 288 00:19:36.119 --> 00:19:40.519 on the backside freaked me out all the time. Oh 289 00:19:41.519 --> 00:19:46.720 and there was one time that I was going back 290 00:19:46.759 --> 00:19:52.079 there and something jumped. I don't know what it was. 291 00:19:53.279 --> 00:19:56.440 Something jumped up in the brush next to me and 292 00:19:56.559 --> 00:19:59.680 took off through the tall grass. I couldn't see it. 293 00:19:59.680 --> 00:20:02.279 It's gared me. I didn't try to look at it. 294 00:20:02.279 --> 00:20:06.039 It was just large crashing sound right next to me. 295 00:20:06.200 --> 00:20:11.880 I thought I was dead. I probably screamed, maybe tinkled 296 00:20:11.920 --> 00:20:16.640 a little, and it was just still quiet. Everything's gone. 297 00:20:17.039 --> 00:20:19.799 Never saw anything. I never I don't remember finding any 298 00:20:20.839 --> 00:20:24.599 you know, footprints or anything like that. But years later 299 00:20:26.119 --> 00:20:28.960 after I became a bigfooter, and back in the day, 300 00:20:28.960 --> 00:20:34.359 whenever I was doing like field work, there was some 301 00:20:34.519 --> 00:20:40.839 bigfoot reports coming from the area, and I had never 302 00:20:40.920 --> 00:20:46.279 heard about bigfoot in the area. Spent a tremendous amount 303 00:20:46.319 --> 00:20:50.720 of my childhood at that lake house, new people that 304 00:20:50.839 --> 00:20:54.079 lived in the area and everything. But yeah, later on 305 00:20:55.279 --> 00:20:59.160 some reports found their way to me, and me and 306 00:20:59.200 --> 00:21:01.799 a buddy went and checked into it and did find 307 00:21:01.799 --> 00:21:07.079 some tracks and some formations and some other things. Probably 308 00:21:07.079 --> 00:21:14.640 about a mile from that location, just kind of around 309 00:21:14.720 --> 00:21:18.000 the bend at the lake, so to speak, from where 310 00:21:18.000 --> 00:21:22.160 that was at. So is it poss I mean, I 311 00:21:22.160 --> 00:21:23.279 don't know, I don't. 312 00:21:23.119 --> 00:21:30.640 Know whoa what state was that ind that's here in Oklahoma, really. Yeah, 313 00:21:30.440 --> 00:21:33.880 Oklahoma has a large population of bigfoot. 314 00:21:33.960 --> 00:21:38.240 From what I understand, in certain pockets there seems to 315 00:21:38.240 --> 00:21:39.039 be quite a bit. 316 00:21:40.400 --> 00:21:41.759 Yeah. 317 00:21:41.799 --> 00:21:44.720 I mean I haven't been a researcher in years, but 318 00:21:45.240 --> 00:21:49.039 there's still parts of south central Oklahoma around the Native 319 00:21:49.039 --> 00:21:53.519 American communities where people see them literally all the time. 320 00:21:54.920 --> 00:21:57.119 Right. I was just going to say that it's usually 321 00:21:57.160 --> 00:22:04.440 around the reservations. Yeah. Yeah, so that's amazing. Thank you 322 00:22:04.519 --> 00:22:10.720 for sharing now with me. Yeah, it is. Well, I 323 00:22:10.759 --> 00:22:14.839 think it gives substance to to these children who are 324 00:22:14.839 --> 00:22:18.079 having these dreams about Bigfoot, who were you know, still 325 00:22:18.119 --> 00:22:20.440 having them and they were in the same position that 326 00:22:20.519 --> 00:22:22.480 you and I were in, you know, like where did 327 00:22:22.519 --> 00:22:28.119 they come from? Why are they there, and why did 328 00:22:28.119 --> 00:22:29.359 they choose us? 329 00:22:29.680 --> 00:22:33.839 Yeah. I mean it's definitely become, you know, the bulk 330 00:22:33.880 --> 00:22:38.240 of my life's work. Yeah, which sounds weird to think about, I. 331 00:22:38.559 --> 00:22:41.319 Know, because I'm I'm exactly the same way. 332 00:22:41.920 --> 00:22:46.960 So you relocated to Oregon though, Yeah, Like what was that? Like, 333 00:22:47.559 --> 00:22:49.559 I mean, how do you reach that decision to just 334 00:22:49.680 --> 00:22:50.880 I'm going to pursue. 335 00:22:50.559 --> 00:22:54.440 This Well, I, like I said, I've always been super 336 00:22:54.480 --> 00:22:56.920 interested in it, and wherever I would go, I traveled 337 00:22:56.960 --> 00:23:00.759 around a lot before I finally settled down. And you know, 338 00:23:00.799 --> 00:23:03.839 I lived in all these different states and places and stuff. 339 00:23:03.920 --> 00:23:06.640 So I always like, I lived in Texas, so I 340 00:23:06.640 --> 00:23:09.240 would go out to sam Houston and you know, look 341 00:23:09.279 --> 00:23:12.440 for Bigfoot just for fun. It was just a hobby 342 00:23:12.519 --> 00:23:17.279 for me. You know, I lived in Baltimore, I lived 343 00:23:17.319 --> 00:23:21.000 in Chicago. You know, we'd go to like the out 344 00:23:21.440 --> 00:23:25.640 out the outer parts of the city, the more forested 345 00:23:25.720 --> 00:23:30.880 areas and stuff in Wisconsin and stuff like that. So 346 00:23:31.000 --> 00:23:35.160 I moved to California and I met my daughter's father 347 00:23:35.920 --> 00:23:38.359 and we decided to go on a camping trip. So 348 00:23:38.400 --> 00:23:41.680 we drove up to Oregon and we camped in Klamath Falls, 349 00:23:41.759 --> 00:23:45.039 and then we drove up to Washington and came back 350 00:23:45.079 --> 00:23:50.880 down and we camped at Wolf Creek and Oregon just 351 00:23:51.200 --> 00:23:55.599 it was instantly like this magnetic attraction that I had 352 00:23:55.680 --> 00:24:00.759 to it, you know, to the mountains, especially to the forest, 353 00:24:00.920 --> 00:24:05.440 and I was like, Wow, this is really powerful. I 354 00:24:05.519 --> 00:24:09.440 want to live here. So within a year we had 355 00:24:09.480 --> 00:24:11.960 packed up our stuff and just moved up to Oregon. 356 00:24:12.200 --> 00:24:12.640 Wow. 357 00:24:12.799 --> 00:24:16.240 So yeah, and that's that was when I really that 358 00:24:16.359 --> 00:24:18.519 was about twelve years ago, and that was when I 359 00:24:18.680 --> 00:24:23.880 really started getting into it. I remember I was watching YouTube, 360 00:24:24.160 --> 00:24:29.079 watching my bigfoot videos, and I saw one. The one 361 00:24:29.079 --> 00:24:33.799 that stood out to me was when Matt Johnson had 362 00:24:33.839 --> 00:24:38.519 his his experience at the Oregon case. And I was 363 00:24:38.640 --> 00:24:42.319 just like, oh my gosh, you know, like I this 364 00:24:42.440 --> 00:24:47.200 is real. This I need to you know, I need 365 00:24:47.200 --> 00:24:49.839 to do this, this this is my calling. That I 366 00:24:49.839 --> 00:24:52.720 think that's when I finally realized that this was my calling, 367 00:24:53.119 --> 00:24:58.039 you know. So I took Oregon for I took advantage 368 00:24:58.039 --> 00:25:02.960 to Oregon for sure, and we ended up. At first 369 00:25:03.039 --> 00:25:07.640 we lived in Medford and so Grand's Pass area is 370 00:25:07.720 --> 00:25:11.880 pretty cool. Rogue River, oh my gosh, very squatchy. But 371 00:25:12.519 --> 00:25:16.680 we had an opportunity to for him to transfer up 372 00:25:16.720 --> 00:25:18.720 to the Sweet Home area. And when we got to 373 00:25:18.759 --> 00:25:21.519 sweet Home, I was just like, that was about six 374 00:25:21.640 --> 00:25:24.480 years ago or so. I was like, this is it. 375 00:25:25.079 --> 00:25:27.480 This is where I need to be. I'm home now. 376 00:25:28.039 --> 00:25:31.440 I can feel it. I explored Courts Bill like the 377 00:25:31.519 --> 00:25:33.599 first month we were here, and I was like, oh 378 00:25:33.680 --> 00:25:37.799 my god, this is it right here, you know, like 379 00:25:37.920 --> 00:25:42.839 this overwhelming sense of you know, being home. So I 380 00:25:42.920 --> 00:25:45.480 just started researching there and at first, you know, it 381 00:25:45.559 --> 00:25:47.680 was kind of off and on here and there and 382 00:25:47.759 --> 00:25:49.880 whenever I had a chance to get out. And I 383 00:25:49.960 --> 00:25:53.599 homeschool my daughter, so I was really involved in that 384 00:25:53.960 --> 00:25:58.440 and stuff. But since she's gotten older and more independent, 385 00:25:58.720 --> 00:26:06.440 and I started spending more time out there. And I 386 00:26:06.559 --> 00:26:14.640 never had experiences till I started putting stickers on my car, 387 00:26:15.079 --> 00:26:17.839 you know, like bigfoot stickers and stuff. And it was 388 00:26:17.920 --> 00:26:22.039 really funny because I'd go to the grocery store and 389 00:26:22.079 --> 00:26:24.839 I'd come out of the grocery store and I'd have 390 00:26:25.119 --> 00:26:29.759 a random dude standing at my car waiting for me 391 00:26:29.839 --> 00:26:32.599 to come out of the grocery store to tell me 392 00:26:32.680 --> 00:26:38.680 about his experience. And this happened a lot, so, you know. 393 00:26:38.720 --> 00:26:44.119 And they were hunters, fishers, sportsmen who hang out in 394 00:26:44.200 --> 00:26:48.160 Courtsville and do their thing, and they had these experiences. 395 00:26:48.319 --> 00:26:52.319 So I started following up on them. I was like, Okay, 396 00:26:52.559 --> 00:26:55.839 there's bigfoot up at Fay Lake. Gotcha. So I'd go 397 00:26:55.920 --> 00:26:59.319 to fay Lake, you know, and check it out. And 398 00:26:59.799 --> 00:27:03.599 so then I finally I started my group. And when 399 00:27:03.599 --> 00:27:06.960 I started my group, that was two years ago. I started. 400 00:27:07.440 --> 00:27:10.839 I actually got a group of friends together through that 401 00:27:13.480 --> 00:27:17.240