Speaker 1: Well, am, my friends, what's going on?
Speaker 2: Oh?
Speaker 3: You know, it's a beautiful stormy day in London and
Speaker 3: you are angry goose.
Speaker 2: So it's a beautiful stormy day here too, in the Panhandle.
Speaker 1: Mmm, in God's country now, I'm just kidding.
Speaker 3: I feel I feel as though it is a different
Speaker 3: kind of stormy there.
Speaker 1: But yeah, probably it's fine. It's all rain, it's all nice.
Speaker 1: It's you know.
Speaker 2: One of my favorite things to say is we really
Speaker 2: needed that rain. You know what we did need the rain.
Speaker 2: It's too hot, you need to tamp down the pollen.
Speaker 3: Yeah, my bitch has loves to say that we really
Speaker 3: needed that rain. Like the park, I ride.
Speaker 4: My bike through whatever. I'm like coming up to town.
Speaker 3: It's been like cooked to ship, you know, like completely brown,
Speaker 3: and at the moment it's all green again, and I'm
Speaker 3: like hurry.
Speaker 2: So yeah, yeah, I love walking my dog and taking
Speaker 2: my hat off and what in my head wiping my
Speaker 2: arm across my brona. I really could use some rain
Speaker 2: and people.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I love it. I love it, you know.
Speaker 2: I I'm not always like I. I sometimes have trouble
Speaker 2: with small talk because I am socially awkward.
Speaker 1: As you might have guessed and.
Speaker 2: Uh, you know, so, like I do kind of get
Speaker 2: when people are like I don't like small talk that much,
Speaker 2: Like I get that, But when people are like small
Speaker 2: talk is stupid, it's like, no, that's the that's the flavor.
Speaker 2: That's the flavor of life right there, because it's just
Speaker 2: people being like, yeah, you know, that weather interesting. You know,
Speaker 2: somebody being like too hot today. It's like, no, I
Speaker 2: like it, you know, it's not nice. I was like, okay, cool,
Speaker 2: what you know. There you go, there's something you can
Speaker 2: talk about.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 4: Yeah, we're all experiencing the weather. God damn it. So
Speaker 4: it's it's.
Speaker 3: One commonality, no, we have, so yeah, I'm loving it
Speaker 3: for me. It's much better than the heat way the
Speaker 3: other week.
Speaker 4: Yeah.
Speaker 3: So I'm in a good mood and uh ready to
Speaker 3: fucking get to with the questions. We probably should since
Speaker 3: I came in late. Sorry everybody, a little peak behind
Speaker 3: the curtain, guys, I was late.
Speaker 4: It's me so so yeah.
Speaker 1: It's all good.
Speaker 2: All right, here we go, Hello, and welcome back to
Speaker 2: We're Not So Different, a podcast about how well.
Speaker 4: We really need that rain?
Speaker 1: That rain.
Speaker 2: My name is Luke, and I'm always saying that to people,
Speaker 2: and as all as I'm joined by doctor Eleanor Yanniga,
Speaker 2: who is also always saying that to people.
Speaker 1: Folks.
Speaker 2: Today we got mail and in our ongoing effort to
Speaker 2: catch up on the mailbag patron questions, we're back to
Speaker 2: answer a few more for the month of August, which,
Speaker 2: as we all know, is the worst month of the year,
Speaker 2: at least here in the Northern Hemisphere. I am assuming
Speaker 2: that in the Southern Hemisphere, if you are listening, it
Speaker 2: is probably quite nice. If you're in the Southern Hemisphere,
Speaker 2: I would like to let me know how the weather
Speaker 2: is there. Please reach out and I will give an update.
Speaker 4: Worst month in Australia is February. I can tell you that.
Speaker 4: I'll tell you that.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I can believe it. Yeah, there's your August. Not
Speaker 2: only that, you have to get Valentine's Day in there too,
Speaker 2: the worst holiday not because not because I don't like
Speaker 2: showing affection, but because it's made up bullshit so bad.
Speaker 2: Partners can like come in and be like, here's a
Speaker 2: bunch of shit I got you, please don't leave me,
Speaker 2: and they're like yeah, okay.
Speaker 1: And like yeah, I hate it anyway. Yeah that's me
Speaker 1: about Valentine's Day. If you like it, that's cool though.
Speaker 2: Anyway, we got some questions here, and you know the deal.
Speaker 2: If you want to ask us questions like these, please
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Speaker 2: that kind of shit. So yeah, let's do it. We
Speaker 2: got a good one here. We've been spain as the
Speaker 2: same griebo. Ask does each Simpson have a dominant humor?
Speaker 2: I'm discounting Maggie on account of her being too young
Speaker 2: to know what her dominant humor is, And yes, absolutely,
Speaker 2: I think so Okay, So I had to look up
Speaker 2: like the chart because I do not remember what they
Speaker 2: stand for. I just don't like that it's indastinguishable from
Speaker 2: modern astrology to me, Sorry to all my medieval humor's heads.
Speaker 2: But so I think the one I think like Lisa
Speaker 2: is black bile.
Speaker 4: Yeah, she's absolutely.
Speaker 2: Thinking, you know, all that sort of stuff. I think
Speaker 2: Marge is phlegmatic, so phlem I guess because she's just
Speaker 2: she's she's quiet until she's not. And I mean she
Speaker 2: does go along with a whole lot of bullshit. She's
Speaker 2: you know her one of her big traits is just
Speaker 2: being good natured.
Speaker 4: Yeah, so I was gonna put her at sanguine myself.
Speaker 2: Okay, okay, oh yeah, I can see that because she
Speaker 2: is very she is very social.
Speaker 1: She's like, you know.
Speaker 4: She's she's like she's bobbing along.
Speaker 1: Yeah, okay, I can see that. Yeah.
Speaker 2: I will definitely defer to these on you because I
Speaker 2: could just be looking at something stupid that someone put on.
Speaker 4: I was like, actually, that kind of it's kind.
Speaker 2: Of Homer choleric, like blood because he's just fucking nuts
Speaker 2: all the time. Everything is insane. He's quick to do everything,
Speaker 2: quick to anger, you know, all that sort of stuff.
Speaker 2: He's not organized or you know anything, but.
Speaker 1: You know, he he's Homer.
Speaker 2: And I barked sanguine Coleric sitting in the middle.
Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 2: Because Bart is social and he like really has issues concentrating.
Speaker 2: But like a lot of that stuff doesn't really described him.
Speaker 3: Yeah, Like, and I guess that's the thing is that
Speaker 3: I think that he's like kind of choleric, you know,
Speaker 3: but like, yeah, it's difficult to say, right, it's difficult
Speaker 3: to say.
Speaker 4: And I don't think that like we I don't know.
Speaker 3: I wouldn't call him phlegmatic, is the thing, Like, I
Speaker 3: don't think that we have we don't have like four
Speaker 3: perfect ones here.
Speaker 4: I wouldn't say.
Speaker 2: That, right, No, you have Lisa and Homer I think
Speaker 2: are the two that fit like the best into one
Speaker 2: of these Lisa being melancholic because I mean all of
Speaker 2: these things, you know, poetic, thinks, deeply, takes things very personally,
Speaker 2: you know, compassionate, these you know, these are Lisa traits.
Speaker 2: And you know, Homer is fiery, quick to action, he
Speaker 2: does have keen interest, quick to judge, you know, and
Speaker 2: he is heroic in in circumstances. So you know, like
Speaker 2: those two and then Bart and Marge. You know, I
Speaker 2: don't really see an you know, an an ill mannered
Speaker 2: ADHD child where they fit specifically in the quadrant.
Speaker 3: Uh.
Speaker 5: Yeah, So that's me, you know, Yeah, I guess it's like,
Speaker 5: you know what what it ends up kind of being
Speaker 5: is that I think that we I think that we
Speaker 5: do have to kind of call Marge sanguine because I
Speaker 5: think that she is friendly and she and she's an idealist.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 2: No, oh, I'll defer to all of this on you because,
Speaker 2: as I said, I could just be pulling interest.
Speaker 4: Yeah, it's like I think that this works.
Speaker 3: I think that what what we don't really have is
Speaker 3: anyone that is like specifically phlegmatic, you know, like they
Speaker 3: don't there's no ere here. I mean, and don't get
Speaker 3: me wrong, you could say that about like melancholic people, right,
Speaker 3: but you know, there there's that poeticism that has it.
Speaker 3: There's it's just more like the you know. So yeah,
Speaker 3: I think that what we what we got here is
Speaker 3: in excess of like the of the caloric.
Speaker 4: Yeah. Yeah, that's what I'm going with.
Speaker 3: That's what I'm going with because in many ways, like
Speaker 3: Homer and Bart are just kind of like yeah, you
Speaker 3: know that they're they're the same but slightly different angles.
Speaker 3: So I think that like maybe Bart's just got a
Speaker 3: little bit more sanguine thrown in there.
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, Bart, Bart is Bart is Homer, like is
Speaker 2: the small version of Homer if Homer grew up later
Speaker 2: instead of growing up like in the fifties and sixties
Speaker 2: with his You know that that is what they are,
Speaker 2: and that's you know, that's the funny and they did
Speaker 2: that on purpose, like Homer's or Bart's supposed to hate
Speaker 2: Homer and he's just the same, Like you know, that's
Speaker 2: the the thing. Uh yeah, so uh we in Spain
Speaker 2: is just agreeable. Thank you very much for the question.
Speaker 4: I love this question.
Speaker 1: Yes, uh yeah, and yeah.
Speaker 2: I'm trying to think if there's anybody who's just like
Speaker 2: a total fucking e or like I guess Millhouse.
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, Gil, you know, yeah, Gil is yeah.
Speaker 4: Gil, there you go, Gil Millhouse for sure.
Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah.
Speaker 2: Next we got one from dog God, who says, what's
Speaker 2: the deal with medieval automatons?
Speaker 1: To modern people?
Speaker 2: They seem like very advanced technology, requiring extensive skills to produce,
Speaker 2: But they seem to have been just been mildly impressive
Speaker 2: novelties which were only meant to show off and were
Speaker 2: never used for anything useful. What intellectual tradition allowed people
Speaker 2: to develop such intricate machines and why did it take
Speaker 2: so long for that knowledge be used in practical applications
Speaker 2: like clocks and sewing machines.
Speaker 5: Uh?
Speaker 3: Well, I guess that the answer is a lot of
Speaker 3: the time, even when they do have them just as
Speaker 3: kind of like show off things. They are clocks. Yeah,
Speaker 3: They're like I'm showing off my clock.
Speaker 2: You know, like or a compass in China. They were like,
Speaker 2: look at my compass that fits on a giant fucking
Speaker 2: like table thing and goes.
Speaker 1: All which ways. Like oh that's so cool man, thank you.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 3: Like, my favorite exhibition in the British Museum is the clocks,
Speaker 3: and they've got this great I think it's fifteenth century
Speaker 3: off the top of my head, a ship Autoumatac clock
Speaker 3: and apparently you would take it on a banquet table
Speaker 3: and it would like go up and down the table
Speaker 3: and shoot off little cannons like with the at the
Speaker 3: varying times and stuff like that.
Speaker 4: And I'm just like hell yeah, brother, yeah.
Speaker 3: And I guess the reason why they don't take off
Speaker 3: comes down to the fact that they it's a vastly
Speaker 3: different society that thinks about things differently.
Speaker 4: Yeah, right.
Speaker 3: The industrialized and post industrialized world's way of looking at
Speaker 3: everything that you make as a form of tech, which
Speaker 3: is applicable very specifically in terms of work, is new, right.
Speaker 4: They just lack that.
Speaker 3: They don't they don't have this same like oh yeah,
Speaker 3: and then this could be put to work thing because
Speaker 3: what is the thing that people do right?
Speaker 4: And this isn't to say that they don't have machines.
Speaker 3: They certainly do have lots of machine, but there's less
Speaker 3: of an idea that work could be happening away from humans.
Speaker 1: M h.
Speaker 4: You know what I mean, it's like, and that is.
Speaker 3: An intellectual leap and it's difficult for us to see
Speaker 3: that now because we just were stud in it. We're
Speaker 3: baked writing, right, but it is fundamentally really different, and
Speaker 3: that's what it comes down to.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, I think the intellectual tradition here is
Speaker 2: just stories, Like they have stories of these things, you know,
Speaker 2: that the gods could do things or that God could
Speaker 2: cause things to be moved. So you know, you have
Speaker 2: the stories of the you know, the the Jewish lore
Speaker 2: of the of the Gollumns.
Speaker 1: And the.
Speaker 4: Lysis has at Autumata doesn't yeah, yeah.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and uh, you know in ancient Greek literature they
Speaker 2: talked about how you know, this God made you know,
Speaker 2: the these watchdogs and this God made these things move, and.
Speaker 1: So I mean I think it comes from that. But
Speaker 1: they also had stuff.
Speaker 2: I mean there you know, there is the uh antiic
Speaker 2: thera mechanism, which is an old way of designing. It's
Speaker 2: a it's basically an ory to trace the four year
Speaker 2: cycles of the sun and predict eclipses, which it did.
Speaker 2: They also had similar things in China, of course, But
Speaker 2: I think, like in the Middle Ages, this is like
Speaker 2: it is, this is stuff made by extremely skilled artisans,
Speaker 2: some of the most skilled people in the world at
Speaker 2: the time, who would be able to do this kind
Speaker 2: of stuff. It's not going to be something that like
Speaker 2: a general like you know, you run down to the
Speaker 2: local store in your village of one hundred people and
Speaker 2: there's some guy there who can make like a brass
Speaker 2: molded automat time with hot wind moving through pipes like
Speaker 2: they you know, these people were like extremely skilled smith's
Speaker 2: and engineers for their time, and they knew how to
Speaker 2: do this stuff. So I mean, one, it's very hard too.
Speaker 2: It's a form of conspicuous consumption because how is anyone
Speaker 2: else going to like a ford or use this like
Speaker 2: on a massive scale. And I mean a good when
Speaker 2: I think I've talked about it before, but in Constantinople,
Speaker 2: they had this whole thing where they could like move
Speaker 2: the throne they get through like a percussive wind based system.
Speaker 2: And there's a quote from a guy named Leotprand of
Speaker 2: Cremona from nine to forty nine, and he was in
Speaker 2: the Emperor Theophilis's palace, and he says, quote lions made
Speaker 2: of bronze or wood covered with gold, which stuck, which
Speaker 2: stuck the ground with their tails and roared with open
Speaker 2: mouths and quivering tongue and quivering tongue. A tree of
Speaker 2: gilded bronze, it's branches filled with birds. Likewise, a bronze
Speaker 2: made of bronze gilded over and these emitting cries appropriate
Speaker 2: to their species. And the Emperor's thrown itself, which was
Speaker 2: made in such a cunning manner that at one moment
Speaker 2: it was down on the ground, while at another it
Speaker 2: rose up and was to be seen up in the air.
Speaker 2: So like this is something for the ultra ultra rich
Speaker 2: in a way for them to show off. And I
Speaker 2: mean it's just medieval conspicuous consumption, or a version of
Speaker 2: it anyway.
Speaker 3: Yeah, And I guess that you've really hit on something here, Luke,
Speaker 3: which is that you would need so many of these
Speaker 3: incredibly skilled people and a market.
Speaker 4: To sell things too. And I guess that's the thing is.
Speaker 3: That there's no market, right, Yeah, you don't have consumption
Speaker 3: in the same way.
Speaker 2: So yeah, unless you sold this to the three richest
Speaker 2: families in your region of Europe, like okay, you can go.
Speaker 2: There are like maybe four other regions where you can
Speaker 2: do that. So that's like, you know twelve, you sold
Speaker 2: twelve of these and now what.
Speaker 3: Like yeah, you can't have like an entire warehouse full
Speaker 3: of people doing this, right, like and who's got he's.
Speaker 1: Going to be repairing them?
Speaker 2: Like you like the like like this would require Yeah,
Speaker 2: this would require an extreme depth of knowledge that would
Speaker 2: have to be like specifically passed down so the stuff
Speaker 2: stayed into effect, and I mean a lot of it didn't.
Speaker 1: Like the stuff.
Speaker 2: The remains of the stuff we found is like badly
Speaker 2: worn and melted, parsonally melted and all that.
Speaker 1: Sort of stuff.
Speaker 2: So you know, yeah, basically think the reason they did
Speaker 2: it for clocks was because it made it easy because
Speaker 2: everybody's like, we do kind of need a way to
Speaker 2: figure out when the hours of the day are going by.
Speaker 2: That would be good, you know that for everyone. I
Speaker 2: think that was kind of an unspoken problem that they
Speaker 2: were all kind of like this whole system's real ify
Speaker 2: like like, but tomorrow we're waking up at like five
Speaker 2: thirty because you know what it's raining or what?
Speaker 1: Yeah, anyway, dog God, thank you for the question.
Speaker 2: Next, we have one that's close to my heart because
Speaker 2: I always find the character so funny from fluff Weasel,
Speaker 2: who says, if you ever covered Simon Magas in an
Speaker 2: episode of Simon the Biblical figure. I first read about
Speaker 2: him in the book The Rise of Magic in Medieval
Speaker 2: Europe by Valerie Flint, an interesting.
Speaker 1: Great book, really great book.
Speaker 4: Everybody good book alert, holy.
Speaker 2: Shit, she may go, there you go, and one of
Speaker 2: my second best bookshop finds. He seems like an interesting
Speaker 2: character surrounded by apocryphal like doing magic battle with Saint
Speaker 2: Peter in Rome. How big of a character was he
Speaker 2: in the medieval imagination? Okay, I'm gonna let Eleanor talk
Speaker 2: about him in the medieval imagination in.
Speaker 1: Just a second, because he was.
Speaker 2: But I need to say that this is this is
Speaker 2: what the Bible says about Simon Magas. It is an
Speaker 2: incredibly open and shut thing, and you will soon find
Speaker 2: out that he's one of the biggest biblical glup shitdows.
Speaker 2: People fucking love inventing stories from Acts chapter eight, verse nine.
Speaker 2: But there was a certain man called Simon, which before
Speaker 2: time in the same city you sorcery and bewitch the
Speaker 2: people of Samaria, giving out that himself was some great
Speaker 2: one to whom they all gave heed, from the least
Speaker 2: to the greatest, saying, this man is the great power
Speaker 2: of God. And to him they had regard, because that
Speaker 2: of long time he had bewitched them with sorceries. But
Speaker 2: when they believed Philip preaching the things concerning the Kingdom
Speaker 2: of God and the name of Jesus Christ, they were baptized,
Speaker 2: both men and women. Then Simon himself believed also, and
Speaker 2: when he was baptized, he continued with Philip and wondered
Speaker 2: beholding the miracles and signs which were done.
Speaker 1: Now, when the.
Speaker 2: Apostles, which where at Jerusalem, heard that Samaria had received
Speaker 2: the word of God, they sent unto them Peter and John, who,
Speaker 2: when they were come down, prayed for them that they
Speaker 2: might receive the Holy ghosts, for it had not fallen
Speaker 2: on them yet. I'm not reading all that shit. Then
Speaker 2: they laid their hands on them, and they received the
Speaker 2: holy ghosts. And when Simon saw that through the laying
Speaker 2: on of the apostles' hands, the Holy Ghost was given.
Speaker 2: He offered them money, saying, give me also this power,
Speaker 2: that on whomsoever I lay hands, he may receive the
Speaker 2: Holy Ghost.
Speaker 1: Which it's not good, but okay.
Speaker 2: But Peter said to him, thy money perish with THEE,
Speaker 2: because thou hast thought the gift of God may be
Speaker 2: purchased with money. Thou hast either part nor lot in
Speaker 2: this matter. For the hot for thy heart is not
Speaker 2: right in the side of God. Repent therefore of thy wickedness,
Speaker 2: and pray God if perhaps the thought of thine heart
Speaker 2: may be forgiven THEE. For I perceive that thou art
Speaker 2: in the gall of bitterness and in the bond of iniquity.
Speaker 2: Then answered Simon and said, pray ye to the Lord
Speaker 2: for me that none of these things which he has
Speaker 2: spoken come upon me.
Speaker 1: So there you go.
Speaker 2: He's doing some heretical stuff. He hears the truth, he
Speaker 2: gets baptized, He backslides a little. He's like, I mean,
Speaker 2: can I want to be able to do this? I
Speaker 2: want to spread the word, you know. And he does
Speaker 2: something silly, and Peter rebukes him, which is all finding good,
Speaker 2: and rebukes him in the same way Christ, with the
Speaker 2: same stuff about how being rich is evil and you
Speaker 2: can't buy God with money.
Speaker 1: Nudge nudge, and sybody, you know what.
Speaker 2: Okay, you're right, my bad. Cool, that's it. That's that's
Speaker 2: the biblical story of Simon Vegas. Now, eleanor would you
Speaker 2: like to tell us how Simon Megas ended up doing
Speaker 2: wizard battles with Saint Peter on the fucking at the
Speaker 2: Golden Gates.
Speaker 4: Of listen, because it's sick as hell.
Speaker 2: Bra No, no, no, I'm not disagreeing with that.
Speaker 4: So it's really interesting.
Speaker 3: Basically all of the Simon Megas stuff comes mostly from
Speaker 3: apocryphal works, so we get stuff like there's the Acts
Speaker 3: of Peter, which are second century. Then you get like
Speaker 3: the Pseudo Clementines, which is like third century, and this
Speaker 3: is like this is about the conversion of the Clement
Speaker 3: of Rome. Uh and he is like it's like a
Speaker 3: buddy It's like Kung Fu. It's like a buddy thing
Speaker 3: where Clement of Rome travels around with Peter and like
Speaker 3: they like run into Simon majors, they like have to
Speaker 3: do like battle people.
Speaker 1: Right.
Speaker 3: I think there's also in the Epistle of the Apostles
Speaker 3: which again Aprorhal he's in there. And that's not really
Speaker 3: surprising because the the Epistle of the Apostles is like
Speaker 3: a really apocalyptic in nature. So it's got kind of
Speaker 3: like a lot of talking about things like that, and
Speaker 3: so like these are all things that are kind of
Speaker 3: happening in late antiquity, and in late antiquity there's like
Speaker 3: rather a lot of interest in talking.
Speaker 4: About these things.
Speaker 3: And also, I guess the thing that you have to understand,
Speaker 3: both in a late antique sense and in a medieval sense,
Speaker 3: is there's a lot of confusing individuals in the Bible. Like,
Speaker 3: so what ends up happening is anytime like a wizard
Speaker 3: gets mentioned, everyone goes ah shit, Simon Mages right, Like,
Speaker 3: this is what happens with Mary Magdalen.
Speaker 2: Right, his name is a byword for an evil wizard.
Speaker 2: Now that's what a mega is, Like yeah.
Speaker 3: Exactly, Yeah, Like I guess we have this problem with
Speaker 3: Mary Magdalen, right, where like all of the Mary's in
Speaker 3: the Gospel's got confused and they're like, oh, that's just
Speaker 3: one bitch, right, and it is indeed three. So like
Speaker 3: you do see this all the time, and there's this
Speaker 3: kind of there's a desire to sort of square circles.
Speaker 4: I guess this is the thing to say about it.
Speaker 3: There's a real desire to kind of like pin things
Speaker 3: in place and say this person is this person. So
Speaker 3: you go through it and you just start going, oh yeah,
Speaker 3: that guy, like that guy in you know whatever is
Speaker 3: is Simon Magus. And then you get to the medieval
Speaker 3: period and everyone's like, hell yeah, brother, I love this guy.
Speaker 2: I love this shit, which is exactly what I do too,
Speaker 2: because like there will be a character and people like
Speaker 2: people have like a weird idea of this because like
Speaker 2: you don't, like most people don't like look at that
Speaker 2: guy and be like he's gonna be my glove shitdow,
Speaker 2: like when they see something, like you see something and
Speaker 2: it like just triggers this weird thing in your mind
Speaker 2: and they get kind of stuck there, like Yoda, Like
Speaker 2: Yoda has been stuck in my mind since I was
Speaker 2: a little little kid, because he's just so fucking weird.
Speaker 2: He's nine hundred, he's like thirty six inches tall, he
Speaker 2: can lift like starships with his mind. It's just like
Speaker 2: that's really cool. And so I totally get this. I
Speaker 2: totally get why. I mean people do this because the
Speaker 2: Bible's like he was a magic Not only did he
Speaker 2: do magic, he did it in such a way that
Speaker 2: these people believe them. And then he tried to buy
Speaker 2: the magic from Peter and like and so I get
Speaker 2: why they did it, but it's just so funny to me.
Speaker 4: Yeah, And like then people kind of get confused with
Speaker 4: it and they're like is he Paul Like yeah, yeah, yeah,
Speaker 4: and they're like, no, guys, he isn't.
Speaker 3: But like so for example, there's a there's a church
Speaker 3: in Rome, Santa Francesca that they say was built at
Speaker 3: the place where Simon falls in like he's super duel,
Speaker 3: and they're like they've they've created this, right, and like
Speaker 3: you know, basically like you will find it in the
Speaker 3: Nuremberg Chronicle. Yeah, it comes up, like you'll find it,
Speaker 3: Like I mean maybe Faust is based on him.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 4: Maybe there's like an apocryphal story about.
Speaker 3: Like like Simon and Peter like going in front of Nero.
Speaker 4: Yeah, and like how and then.
Speaker 3: Like Nero like arrests everybody and it's like it's really interesting, right,
Speaker 3: So basically what it is is just a really good
Speaker 3: story that you can add to whenever you want. And
Speaker 3: it's just exciting, isn't it. Like I mean, we're talking
Speaker 3: about it for that reason. It's because like the ship
Speaker 3: bangs right, like.
Speaker 2: You can invent all like you can invent all of
Speaker 2: this stuff out with it. Like you could see like
Speaker 2: this guy like saying that and then like he gets
Speaker 2: bitter because Peter embarrassed him in front of everyone, and
Speaker 2: so he's like I'm gonna get back at him, and
Speaker 2: so then they're like firing like for real, they're like
Speaker 2: firing light from their hands, and like Peter is like
Speaker 2: deflecting it with you know, like cross it, you know,
Speaker 2: like spiritual crosses, like yeah, you like and you could
Speaker 2: do that, and you're just like I'm writing that ship
Speaker 2: who gives Like who gives a fuck?
Speaker 3: Like yeah, yeah, exactly, And it's like you can kind
Speaker 3: of do whatever it is you want with it. It's
Speaker 3: cool as ship and like that. That's just what it
Speaker 3: comes down to, is that it's way more exciting.
Speaker 1: I love it it is.
Speaker 2: I love Simon Megas. It's so funny because like the
Speaker 2: Bible's pretty open and shut, like he did something bad,
Speaker 2: he repented and like in the side of Peter and
Speaker 2: that's the end of it like you know, it's like okay, cool,
Speaker 2: but then it's like no, no, he thought he fought
Speaker 2: uh he fought Peter. He he was Paul and.
Speaker 1: What just what like what is going on?
Speaker 2: And it's like yeah, and he inspires like druids and
Speaker 2: some druid anyway, Yeah, Simon megas is a lot of
Speaker 2: fun Fluffiesel, thank you for the question. Next, we got
Speaker 2: one from a periodic who says, how did medieval people
Speaker 2: measure the strength of their beer or other alcoholic beverages?
Speaker 2: We know they had different strengths of beer, so how
Speaker 2: did they measure this? And a periodic went on to
Speaker 2: say that this was based on a story from a
Speaker 2: book about like how some woman who was a brewer
Speaker 2: was arrested and received some kind of punishment for doing
Speaker 2: understrength beer.
Speaker 3: Yeah, so they don't have like a way of measuring
Speaker 3: it like we do.
Speaker 4: Like they're not gonna be able to Oh yo, the
Speaker 4: ABV is this brough You just drink it like.
Speaker 2: It's just man, that is so awesome because drinking, like
Speaker 2: how drunk you get is not just based like if
Speaker 2: you eat a bunch of bread beforehand.
Speaker 1: Yeah I know, I know.
Speaker 3: Okay, So so for example, I'm I'm just having come
Speaker 3: back from the Lowlands, where I simply love to be
Speaker 3: where all the beer is like six.
Speaker 4: Point five percent.
Speaker 3: Like you know, you have a zip like shout a
Speaker 3: shout out to to the brewery eye in Amsterdam have
Speaker 3: as you have a sip of eyewit and you're like, yep,
Speaker 3: that that'll fuck you up, Like you could you could
Speaker 3: taste it, you can feel it right as opposed to
Speaker 3: a delicious and refreshing pint of bitter here in the UK,
Speaker 3: where you're like, that's definitely like three point eight right,
Speaker 3: like you can you can just kind of like tell
Speaker 3: from mouth feel and and also you know by drinking
Speaker 3: a couple of them, like drink.
Speaker 2: A minute, this bitter is under You're just like why
Speaker 2: and there's a hole there's you know, it's just like
Speaker 2: the Simpsons, a whole a whole mob shows up because yeah.
Speaker 3: Yeah, and I mean I think that you you would
Speaker 3: kind of try to fake it sometimes, like make it sweeter,
Speaker 3: to make it seem like it might be it might
Speaker 3: be heavier than it is, and and so a lot
Speaker 3: of the faking it involves kind of like flavorings and
Speaker 3: things like that. So yeah, like and when you have
Speaker 3: a small beer now you can usually tell it small beer.
Speaker 3: I do like small beer, and I'm glad that it's
Speaker 3: coming back, like shout out great for if you're me
Speaker 3: and you live in the UK and you're like, I'm
Speaker 3: about to have a session for seven hours, but I
Speaker 3: cannot get trashed beyond yeah, like imagination, right, Like having
Speaker 3: table beer or having small beer around is like really
Speaker 3: really good.
Speaker 4: And so yeah, I think that.
Speaker 3: A lot of it is just down to kind of
Speaker 3: taste and then you know, just seeing if anyone gets
Speaker 3: shit faced.
Speaker 2: I guess yeah, yeah, yeah, that's all I got. I
Speaker 2: definitely don't know anything about that, but it is very
Speaker 2: funny to think about, because you just eat a big meal,
Speaker 2: You're gonna be like, wait a minute, this beer isn't
Speaker 2: and then you die beira, oh wait yeah, yeah yeah,
Speaker 2: this this beer ain't shit. Thirty seven minutes later, Oh no,
Speaker 2: I was digesting.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 2: Anyway, any such cases these days, yeah, even into the
Speaker 2: modern day a periodic. Thank you very much for the question. Next,
Speaker 2: we got one from MG in your Face, who says
Speaker 2: were these smoking and curing meats in the medieval era?
Speaker 2: Hermon Iberico Soaprasada Capacola, all the different salamis, and the
Speaker 2: answer at least to the curing thing is dog. We
Speaker 2: humans have been doing that, did that like unironically, Like
Speaker 2: it's a very very very old practice.
Speaker 4: You know, the human lungs in his heart to cure meat.
Speaker 4: He does, you know, especially like in.
Speaker 3: A time when you don't have refrigeration and things like that.
Speaker 3: So like in terms of like preservation, that was what
Speaker 3: was going on up until we invented kind of like
Speaker 3: indoor indoor refridges, right, So it's like basically up until
Speaker 3: kind of like the nineteenth century, it's like whatever. So
Speaker 3: like most often like dehydration is really involved or just
Speaker 3: like salting things.
Speaker 4: Right, So you remember like the.
Speaker 3: Saint Nicholas legend of how like there's the three boys
Speaker 3: who get killed during a famine and then like the
Speaker 3: u and the butcher's like trying to salt them down.
Speaker 3: It's like because he's gonna make ham out of them, right,
Speaker 3: Like that's the thing. So and like you know they're
Speaker 3: really traditional ones, so like you know parmham or aha hamalonim.
Speaker 4: Barrico and things like that.
Speaker 3: You're only supposed to assault them, like you're not supposed
Speaker 3: to use anything else, and so that this has been
Speaker 3: going on for really quite some time that there isn't
Speaker 3: kind of like the same obviously like dop thing. But
Speaker 3: people will talk about people's varying sausage recipes or people's
Speaker 3: varying like salami recipes. What can be confusing to us
Speaker 3: is that it isn't always denoted as a different food
Speaker 3: and you kind of have to know by like context
Speaker 3: what they're talking about, like I gig you because of SLAMI.
Speaker 4: Is a sausage.
Speaker 1: It's just a your sausage, right.
Speaker 4: So and then also obviously rather a lot of smoking.
Speaker 3: Was going down, so like especially for fish and eels,
Speaker 3: because that is, uh, that's just like the way.
Speaker 2: They the only way it's going to stay good for
Speaker 2: longer than like thirty minutes.
Speaker 3: You're much more beholden in the Middle Ages to the
Speaker 3: seasons and things like that. So if you want to
Speaker 3: be able to eat things, you kind of like, uh,
Speaker 3: you kind of do it the best that you can, right, So,
Speaker 3: like we we do think that there's rather a lot
Speaker 3: of bacon.
Speaker 4: They talk about that.
Speaker 3: Pat was invented in the Middle Ages. That's a little
Speaker 3: French medieval way of coming into the world. And also
Speaker 3: a really great way of storing things. So yeah, patae
Speaker 3: really really big and then like uh you know like
Speaker 3: sometimes like aspects and things that those would come out
Speaker 3: right like, but we definitely know that they're drying a
Speaker 3: lot of things. We know that they're salting a lot
Speaker 3: of things, and you know they're they're coming up with
Speaker 3: new strategies right so like like with pate or milanges
Speaker 3: and things like that.
Speaker 4: So yeah, like it's absolutely going on.
Speaker 3: It's just that the thing that we lack is great
Speaker 3: documentation of it, like saying oh yeah and like here
Speaker 3: you go, like it's it's parmahat, Like we we don't
Speaker 3: have that as much, but we we do absolutely know
Speaker 3: like when when Pate came in, it's like because they're
Speaker 3: like everyone like fucking lost their mind, right like y.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, yeah, I don't know. I just know they've
Speaker 2: been doing that ship for a long time and I
Speaker 2: enjoy it. Thank you to everyone who did that in
Speaker 2: the past. Good uh smoked and cured meat is good.
Speaker 2: You heard it here first folks breaking news em gin
Speaker 2: your face. Thank you very much for the question. Got
Speaker 2: a couple more, this one from Alie Kant, who says
Speaker 2: do you have a favorite sea engine and what and
Speaker 2: what one would you love to operate a replica of.
Speaker 3: Obviously I do, and obviously I do, and obviously it's
Speaker 3: a Trebbusha, thank you.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I've always wanted to throw a watermelon out of
Speaker 2: a tribute Sha my entire life. The first time I
Speaker 2: saw when I wanted to get a big ass watermelon,
Speaker 2: put it in there and just hook it just as
Speaker 2: far as it can go.
Speaker 3: As far back as I can remember, I've always operated.
Speaker 4: Yeah, Like I mean, Trevasha is just whip dude. Like
Speaker 4: they're so good. I like how far they can throw things.
Speaker 4: I think they're a really good idea.
Speaker 3: Yeah, watermelons would be really fun to throw, you know,
Speaker 3: like even just like a bag of flour and see
Speaker 3: it poof up.
Speaker 4: That'd be quite fun.
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's it's got to be Trebuche for me. I
Speaker 3: know it's cliche, but also.
Speaker 4: Am I wrong? No? I am not Trebuchet all the way, bitch.
Speaker 1: No.
Speaker 2: I also think it would be really fun to skewer
Speaker 2: something with a ballista, just you know, just hit something
Speaker 2: with one of those giant ass quivers.
Speaker 1: Oh, that'd be great really.
Speaker 2: Just like you know, like you just like shoot it
Speaker 2: at like a piece of wood and you're like, oh,
Speaker 2: that's awesome. All right, cool, Well that was nice. Yeah,
Speaker 2: they're awesome. I would like to operate pretty much any
Speaker 2: of them because they all seem neat.
Speaker 1: But yeah, the there's somebody trebuche like the big like
Speaker 1: cook thing.
Speaker 2: It's just like you're like, it's so heavy, how's it
Speaker 2: gonna go? And then it just tosses it and you're like,
Speaker 2: oh that's awesome.
Speaker 1: Oh my god, that's so cool. Anyway, Uh, yeah.
Speaker 2: I am easily impressed by such things. Lastly, we got
Speaker 2: one from let Car who says if Eleanor and Luke
Speaker 2: could travel, could time travel back, and it's any event
Speaker 2: in the Middle Ages, what would it be? And I'm
Speaker 2: just assuming this is like in a time in a
Speaker 2: time machine. You can only watch, you can't touch or
Speaker 2: do anything. So yeah, Eleanor, what what she got?
Speaker 4: I kind of want to go back.
Speaker 3: I want to just go over to Smithfield and see
Speaker 3: what happened to wat Tyler. I want to see you
Speaker 3: who did my boy dirty? I want to see who
Speaker 3: the fuck stabbed this man?
Speaker 1: Did? Right?
Speaker 4: And I like and I don't I.
Speaker 3: Don't like to be English centric like this, but I'm
Speaker 3: very I'm very interested to know who's the fuck yeah
Speaker 3: killed wat Tyler. I just want to talk, all right.
Speaker 4: Yeah.
Speaker 3: Then I think like my second choice after that would
Speaker 3: be the first defenestration obviously, just to be like, hag
Speaker 3: get their ass. And then the third one is I
Speaker 3: just want to look at Granada. I just want to
Speaker 3: see it, like I just want to get like like
Speaker 3: Granada or Constantinople.
Speaker 4: I just want to see.
Speaker 1: Them interesting, you know.
Speaker 3: I would like to see that fucking automatothroom just just yeah,
Speaker 3: that's all, you know.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I think for me, like I mean, I think
Speaker 2: I've talked about it before. I want to be a fly.
Speaker 1: On the wall.
Speaker 2: For However, the meeting went between Polynesian wayfarers who made
Speaker 2: it all the way to South or Central America and
Speaker 2: like the indigenous people, like I just want to see
Speaker 2: how that went, how they were able to like negotiate
Speaker 2: a compromise where some people took took something, they took
Speaker 2: sweet potatoes back, and also they fucked the nead kids,
Speaker 2: Like I want to know how that, like, like I
Speaker 2: just I need to see how that worked. The Fall
Speaker 2: of Contantinople I would watch every second of that. It
Speaker 2: would be so cool. But one that I don't think
Speaker 2: we've ever talked about, mostly because I've really never had
Speaker 2: a chance to fit in a description of it. But
Speaker 2: in twelve fifty seven, there was a volcanic rruption on
Speaker 2: the island of Somalis or I'm sorry, it's the smallest volcano,
Speaker 2: which is on the island of Lombac in Indonesia. And
Speaker 2: this is one of the like five or six biggest
Speaker 2: volcanic eruptions of the last seven thousand years. It's up
Speaker 2: there with like when Thera erupted in the ancient era
Speaker 2: and then Mount Tambora and stuff like that. And basically
Speaker 2: this was such a large explosion and so big that
Speaker 2: it caused a year without summer after the fact and
Speaker 2: has been indicated as one of the leading one of
Speaker 2: the leading causes that changed from the medieval warm climatic
Speaker 2: anomaly to the later leading to the later Little I
Speaker 2: Sage along with eruption in the fourteen fifties that scientists
Speaker 2: can see but don't actually know where it came from,
Speaker 2: like you could see it in the record, which again
Speaker 2: is something I always find fun. But like I mean,
Speaker 2: I don't think it's surprised anyone. Like I love like
Speaker 2: the spectacle of this stuff. I Like it's just so
Speaker 2: like incredible to me in my head, and like I
Speaker 2: can it just seems so amazing and fantastic to see
Speaker 2: this thing that like we live on and like nurtures
Speaker 2: us and keeps us alive every day, and then all
Speaker 2: of a sudden, like for reasons we can't we don't
Speaker 2: really fully understand, you'll just get like a huge magma
Speaker 2: plume coming up and it will just like it'll poke
Speaker 2: through the like thin mantle that we live on and
Speaker 2: change the world for decades. Just like I mean, I
Speaker 2: don't think it's gonna happen, and we shouldn't be looking
Speaker 2: for a savior for this in any regard, But I mean,
Speaker 2: there is a legitimate chance that, like you could just
Speaker 2: have a huge volcanic eruption.
Speaker 1: That like.
Speaker 2: Hurts or causes a lot of the issues with climate
Speaker 2: change that we've had to regress. I mean, it would
Speaker 2: also kill a lot of people, and it would be horrific.
Speaker 2: But like that the ability to change things on that
Speaker 2: scale and it being something that we cannot predict because
Speaker 2: it's not because there's no predictive way about it. We
Speaker 2: barely under we don't fully understand how the planet works,
Speaker 2: and we certainly don't understand how to predict where magma
Speaker 2: plumes are going to pop up from like the molten core,
Speaker 2: and like it's just amazing to me, Like, yeah, I
Speaker 2: love it. I would want to see that. I would
Speaker 2: want to see, like just see like the pure spectacle
Speaker 2: of this mountain losing its top and the sky being
Speaker 2: darkened by something like like just incredible.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, Earth you.
Speaker 4: Scary, Like yeah, she's so creepy.
Speaker 1: What's it like?
Speaker 2: Well, like the other thing, like, okay, so the mantle
Speaker 2: that we're on is actually incredibly incredibly incredibly thin. And
Speaker 2: I saw it described is that if you stacked up
Speaker 2: all three of the the Rings books and you made
Speaker 2: that a representation for like the Earth from the mantle
Speaker 2: down to the core, the mantle would be as thick
Speaker 2: as one single sheet of paper in that Like that
Speaker 2: is that is how thin the thing we live on
Speaker 2: ry And I.
Speaker 1: Mean no, it's it's kept.
Speaker 2: It's kept things living on this planet for three and
Speaker 2: a half billion years. But it is like way for thin,
Speaker 2: and like volcanoes can just like pop up like we
Speaker 2: can predict some of them with regularity, Like they now
Speaker 2: don't think like the Yellowstone Caldera is gonna blow anytime soon.
Speaker 2: But like if you look up the if you look
Speaker 2: up a list of the most likely volcanoes to erupt next,
Speaker 2: you will find ten different lists and ten different answers.
Speaker 2: I mean, they'll have some overlap, but there's really no
Speaker 2: way to know. Like I think it's a Mount Pittatubo,
Speaker 2: which bleww in like nineteen ninety one, apparently as.
Speaker 4: The summer that year, I remember that show.
Speaker 2: Yeah, apparently has refilled its magma reservoir. Like again, they
Speaker 2: don't know, like it could be tomorrow, it could be
Speaker 2: like hundreds of years. It's insane anyway, geologists, if you
Speaker 2: do this regularly and I messed up something here, that's fine,
Speaker 2: Please tell me. I will be happy to be wrong.
Speaker 2: But uh, yeah, it's fucking yeah. Earth much like space.
Speaker 2: Damn Earth, you are awe inspiring and also very scary. Yeah,
Speaker 2: so I don't think it's any surprise that I would
Speaker 2: like to see that. And again, uh, if I get
Speaker 2: to go back in a time machine and they're like,
Speaker 2: you can only go to the Middle Ages, I'm like look,
Speaker 2: I don't care. I want to see the I want
Speaker 2: to see the asteroid that destroyed the dinosaurs.
Speaker 4: Please, let's let's yeah.
Speaker 1: Don't make me bag. I mean I will, but don't
Speaker 1: make me.
Speaker 4: Please, I would like I would like to see some dinosaurs.
Speaker 2: I'm gonna one day, one time, I'm gonna do a
Speaker 2: bonus episode where I just spend the whole time describing it,
Speaker 2: because like it's it is. It's my Roman Empire thing,
Speaker 2: like I figured, like it is, that is my thing,
Speaker 2: like it is just I think about it weekly, Like
Speaker 2: it's like the horrific way that the single worst day
Speaker 2: in the history of this planet, like since life has
Speaker 2: existed that we know of, is this day, and it
Speaker 2: destroyed things that weigh forty fucking tons, just threw them
Speaker 2: into mountains.
Speaker 1: Anyway.
Speaker 2: Uh, we're really small and it's fucking life is fucking incredible.
Speaker 1: Anyway, we should keep it going instead of being stupid. Anyway.
Speaker 2: Uh, the dinosaurs died for this. We cannot let a
Speaker 2: bunch of everything when our beautiful Tricera toopsis is and
Speaker 2: galim mimas is died for this, we cannot do it.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I can't. Yeah, folks, thank you very much.
Speaker 2: For subscribing to, or for listening and subscribing to We're
Speaker 2: Not So Different, a podcast where I occasionally do Persian
Speaker 2: reveries about something that happens six a million years that's
Speaker 2: I was born yesterday. That can't stop me from reading
Speaker 2: about it or watching computer simulations of what it would
Speaker 2: be like anyway. And that's also how you beat the
Speaker 2: YouTube turn you into a fascist algorithm as you're like,
Speaker 2: no thanks, I want to see dimosor I want to
Speaker 2: see diamond sword. Go bye bye, folks, thank you, thank
Speaker 2: you everyone. Eleanor what's going on with you?
Speaker 4: A great question? You know, the usual.
Speaker 3: So you can find me on Socials at Going Medieval.
Speaker 3: I'm gonna be so real with you if you find
Speaker 3: me on Blue Sky right now, I'm just melting down
Speaker 3: about UK politics on the regular. I guess that I
Speaker 3: should talk about the fact that I do have an
Speaker 3: Instagram which is called doctor eleanor Yanaga all over case
Speaker 3: because someone else stole my name. I mean, if you
Speaker 3: you know, I do put historical things on there, but
Speaker 3: a lot of time it's like a picture of a
Speaker 3: beer I'm drinking.
Speaker 4: But that's another way to keep up with me. And
Speaker 4: then I do. Yeah, I think that that's the major
Speaker 4: thing that is going on. I think the major thing.
Speaker 3: That you know, call to action is like, do you
Speaker 3: guys have you listen to our Crusades thing yet? Go
Speaker 3: fucking listen to our Crusades thing. That's the major thing.
Speaker 1: That's what's up, you know.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, you know where if i'd me, Luca is
Speaker 2: amazing on the socials and everything.
Speaker 1: You can.
Speaker 2: You know, you can check out my old show people
Speaker 2: Say or Republic if you want to hear me talk
Speaker 2: about Star Wars. But yeah, that's about it. That is
Speaker 2: about it for me, and that's going to do it
Speaker 2: for us today. So thank you for listening and we'll
Speaker 2: see you next time.
Speaker 4: Bye, Dimosaur.