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<v Speaker 1>Well, am, my friends, what's going on?

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<v Speaker 2>Oh?

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<v Speaker 3>You know, it's a beautiful stormy day in London and

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<v Speaker 3>you are angry goose.

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<v Speaker 2>So it's a beautiful stormy day here too, in the Panhandle.

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<v Speaker 1>Mmm, in God's country now, I'm just kidding.

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<v Speaker 3>I feel I feel as though it is a different

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<v Speaker 3>kind of stormy there.

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<v Speaker 1>But yeah, probably it's fine. It's all rain, it's all nice.

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<v Speaker 1>It's you know.

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<v Speaker 2>One of my favorite things to say is we really

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<v Speaker 2>needed that rain. You know what we did need the rain.

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<v Speaker 2>It's too hot, you need to tamp down the pollen.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, my bitch has loves to say that we really

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<v Speaker 3>needed that rain. Like the park, I ride.

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<v Speaker 4>My bike through whatever. I'm like coming up to town.

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<v Speaker 3>It's been like cooked to ship, you know, like completely brown,

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<v Speaker 3>and at the moment it's all green again, and I'm

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<v Speaker 3>like hurry.

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<v Speaker 2>So yeah, yeah, I love walking my dog and taking

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<v Speaker 2>my hat off and what in my head wiping my

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<v Speaker 2>arm across my brona. I really could use some rain

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<v Speaker 2>and people.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I love it. I love it, you know.

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<v Speaker 2>I I'm not always like I. I sometimes have trouble

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<v Speaker 2>with small talk because I am socially awkward.

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<v Speaker 1>As you might have guessed and.

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<v Speaker 2>Uh, you know, so, like I do kind of get

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<v Speaker 2>when people are like I don't like small talk that much,

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<v Speaker 2>Like I get that, But when people are like small

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<v Speaker 2>talk is stupid, it's like, no, that's the that's the flavor.

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<v Speaker 2>That's the flavor of life right there, because it's just

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<v Speaker 2>people being like, yeah, you know, that weather interesting. You know,

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<v Speaker 2>somebody being like too hot today. It's like, no, I

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<v Speaker 2>like it, you know, it's not nice. I was like, okay, cool,

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<v Speaker 2>what you know. There you go, there's something you can

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<v Speaker 2>talk about.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah, we're all experiencing the weather. God damn it. So

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<v Speaker 4>it's it's.

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<v Speaker 3>One commonality, no, we have, so yeah, I'm loving it

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<v Speaker 3>for me. It's much better than the heat way the

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<v Speaker 3>other week.

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 3>So I'm in a good mood and uh ready to

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<v Speaker 3>fucking get to with the questions. We probably should since

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<v Speaker 3>I came in late. Sorry everybody, a little peak behind

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<v Speaker 3>the curtain, guys, I was late.

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<v Speaker 4>It's me so so yeah.

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<v Speaker 1>It's all good.

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<v Speaker 2>All right, here we go, Hello, and welcome back to

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<v Speaker 2>We're Not So Different, a podcast about how well.

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<v Speaker 4>We really need that rain?

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<v Speaker 1>That rain.

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<v Speaker 2>My name is Luke, and I'm always saying that to people,

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<v Speaker 2>and as all as I'm joined by doctor Eleanor Yanniga,

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<v Speaker 2>who is also always saying that to people.

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<v Speaker 1>Folks.

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<v Speaker 2>Today we got mail and in our ongoing effort to

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<v Speaker 2>catch up on the mailbag patron questions, we're back to

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<v Speaker 2>answer a few more for the month of August, which,

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<v Speaker 2>as we all know, is the worst month of the year,

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<v Speaker 2>at least here in the Northern Hemisphere. I am assuming

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<v Speaker 2>that in the Southern Hemisphere, if you are listening, it

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<v Speaker 2>is probably quite nice. If you're in the Southern Hemisphere,

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<v Speaker 2>I would like to let me know how the weather

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<v Speaker 2>is there. Please reach out and I will give an update.

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<v Speaker 4>Worst month in Australia is February. I can tell you that.

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<v Speaker 4>I'll tell you that.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I can believe it. Yeah, there's your August. Not

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<v Speaker 2>only that, you have to get Valentine's Day in there too,

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<v Speaker 2>the worst holiday not because not because I don't like

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<v Speaker 2>showing affection, but because it's made up bullshit so bad.

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<v Speaker 2>Partners can like come in and be like, here's a

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<v Speaker 2>bunch of shit I got you, please don't leave me,

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<v Speaker 2>and they're like yeah, okay.

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<v Speaker 1>And like yeah, I hate it anyway. Yeah that's me

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<v Speaker 1>about Valentine's Day. If you like it, that's cool though.

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<v Speaker 2>Anyway, we got some questions here, and you know the deal.

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<v Speaker 2>ask us questions, you can join the discord and all

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<v Speaker 2>that kind of shit. So yeah, let's do it. We

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<v Speaker 2>got a good one here. We've been spain as the

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<v Speaker 2>same griebo. Ask does each Simpson have a dominant humor?

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<v Speaker 2>I'm discounting Maggie on account of her being too young

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<v Speaker 2>to know what her dominant humor is, And yes, absolutely,

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<v Speaker 2>I think so Okay, So I had to look up

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<v Speaker 2>like the chart because I do not remember what they

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<v Speaker 2>stand for. I just don't like that it's indastinguishable from

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<v Speaker 2>modern astrology to me, Sorry to all my medieval humor's heads.

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<v Speaker 2>But so I think the one I think like Lisa

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<v Speaker 2>is black bile.

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah, she's absolutely.

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<v Speaker 2>Thinking, you know, all that sort of stuff. I think

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<v Speaker 2>Marge is phlegmatic, so phlem I guess because she's just

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<v Speaker 2>she's she's quiet until she's not. And I mean she

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<v Speaker 2>does go along with a whole lot of bullshit. She's

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<v Speaker 2>you know her one of her big traits is just

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<v Speaker 2>being good natured.

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah, so I was gonna put her at sanguine myself.

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<v Speaker 2>Okay, okay, oh yeah, I can see that because she

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<v Speaker 2>is very she is very social.

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<v Speaker 1>She's like, you know.

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<v Speaker 4>She's she's like she's bobbing along.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, okay, I can see that. Yeah.

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<v Speaker 2>I will definitely defer to these on you because I

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<v Speaker 2>could just be looking at something stupid that someone put on.

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<v Speaker 4>I was like, actually, that kind of it's kind.

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<v Speaker 2>Of Homer choleric, like blood because he's just fucking nuts

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<v Speaker 2>all the time. Everything is insane. He's quick to do everything,

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<v Speaker 2>quick to anger, you know, all that sort of stuff.

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<v Speaker 2>He's not organized or you know anything, but.

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<v Speaker 1>You know, he he's Homer.

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<v Speaker 2>And I barked sanguine Coleric sitting in the middle.

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah, yeah, yeah.

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<v Speaker 2>Because Bart is social and he like really has issues concentrating.

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<v Speaker 2>But like a lot of that stuff doesn't really described him.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, Like, and I guess that's the thing is that

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<v Speaker 3>I think that he's like kind of choleric, you know,

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<v Speaker 3>but like, yeah, it's difficult to say, right, it's difficult

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<v Speaker 3>to say.

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<v Speaker 4>And I don't think that like we I don't know.

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<v Speaker 3>I wouldn't call him phlegmatic, is the thing, Like, I

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<v Speaker 3>don't think that we have we don't have like four

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<v Speaker 3>perfect ones here.

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<v Speaker 4>I wouldn't say.

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<v Speaker 2>That, right, No, you have Lisa and Homer I think

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<v Speaker 2>are the two that fit like the best into one

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<v Speaker 2>of these Lisa being melancholic because I mean all of

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<v Speaker 2>these things, you know, poetic, thinks, deeply, takes things very personally,

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<v Speaker 2>you know, compassionate, these you know, these are Lisa traits.

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<v Speaker 2>And you know, Homer is fiery, quick to action, he

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<v Speaker 2>does have keen interest, quick to judge, you know, and

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<v Speaker 2>he is heroic in in circumstances. So you know, like

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<v Speaker 2>those two and then Bart and Marge. You know, I

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<v Speaker 2>don't really see an you know, an an ill mannered

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<v Speaker 2>ADHD child where they fit specifically in the quadrant.

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<v Speaker 3>Uh.

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<v Speaker 5>Yeah, So that's me, you know, Yeah, I guess it's like,

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<v Speaker 5>you know what what it ends up kind of being

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<v Speaker 5>is that I think that we I think that we

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<v Speaker 5>do have to kind of call Marge sanguine because I

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<v Speaker 5>think that she is friendly and she and she's an idealist.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 2>No, oh, I'll defer to all of this on you because,

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<v Speaker 2>as I said, I could just be pulling interest.

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah, it's like I think that this works.

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<v Speaker 3>I think that what what we don't really have is

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<v Speaker 3>anyone that is like specifically phlegmatic, you know, like they

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<v Speaker 3>don't there's no ere here. I mean, and don't get

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<v Speaker 3>me wrong, you could say that about like melancholic people, right,

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<v Speaker 3>but you know, there there's that poeticism that has it.

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<v Speaker 3>There's it's just more like the you know. So yeah,

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<v Speaker 3>I think that what we what we got here is

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<v Speaker 3>in excess of like the of the caloric.

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah. Yeah, that's what I'm going with.

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<v Speaker 3>That's what I'm going with because in many ways, like

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<v Speaker 3>Homer and Bart are just kind of like yeah, you

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<v Speaker 3>know that they're they're the same but slightly different angles.

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<v Speaker 3>So I think that like maybe Bart's just got a

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<v Speaker 3>little bit more sanguine thrown in there.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh yeah, Bart, Bart is Bart is Homer, like is

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<v Speaker 2>the small version of Homer if Homer grew up later

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<v Speaker 2>instead of growing up like in the fifties and sixties

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<v Speaker 2>with his You know that that is what they are,

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<v Speaker 2>and that's you know, that's the funny and they did

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<v Speaker 2>that on purpose, like Homer's or Bart's supposed to hate

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<v Speaker 2>Homer and he's just the same, Like you know, that's

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<v Speaker 2>the the thing. Uh yeah, so uh we in Spain

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<v Speaker 2>is just agreeable. Thank you very much for the question.

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<v Speaker 4>I love this question.

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<v Speaker 1>Yes, uh yeah, and yeah.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm trying to think if there's anybody who's just like

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<v Speaker 2>a total fucking e or like I guess Millhouse.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, yeah, Gil, you know, yeah, Gil is yeah.

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<v Speaker 4>Gil, there you go, Gil Millhouse for sure.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah. Yeah.

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<v Speaker 2>Next we got one from dog God, who says, what's

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<v Speaker 2>the deal with medieval automatons?

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<v Speaker 1>To modern people?

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<v Speaker 2>They seem like very advanced technology, requiring extensive skills to produce,

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<v Speaker 2>But they seem to have been just been mildly impressive

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<v Speaker 2>novelties which were only meant to show off and were

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<v Speaker 2>never used for anything useful. What intellectual tradition allowed people

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<v Speaker 2>to develop such intricate machines and why did it take

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<v Speaker 2>so long for that knowledge be used in practical applications

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<v Speaker 2>like clocks and sewing machines.

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<v Speaker 5>Uh?

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<v Speaker 3>Well, I guess that the answer is a lot of

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<v Speaker 3>the time, even when they do have them just as

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<v Speaker 3>kind of like show off things. They are clocks. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 3>They're like I'm showing off my clock.

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<v Speaker 2>You know, like or a compass in China. They were like,

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<v Speaker 2>look at my compass that fits on a giant fucking

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<v Speaker 2>like table thing and goes.

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<v Speaker 1>All which ways. Like oh that's so cool man, thank you.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 3>Like, my favorite exhibition in the British Museum is the clocks,

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<v Speaker 3>and they've got this great I think it's fifteenth century

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<v Speaker 3>off the top of my head, a ship Autoumatac clock

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<v Speaker 3>and apparently you would take it on a banquet table

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<v Speaker 3>and it would like go up and down the table

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<v Speaker 3>and shoot off little cannons like with the at the

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<v Speaker 3>varying times and stuff like that.

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<v Speaker 4>And I'm just like hell yeah, brother, yeah.

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<v Speaker 3>And I guess the reason why they don't take off

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<v Speaker 3>comes down to the fact that they it's a vastly

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<v Speaker 3>different society that thinks about things differently.

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah, right.

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<v Speaker 3>The industrialized and post industrialized world's way of looking at

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<v Speaker 3>everything that you make as a form of tech, which

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<v Speaker 4>They just lack that.

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<v Speaker 3>They don't they don't have this same like oh yeah,

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<v Speaker 4>And this isn't to say that they don't have machines.

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<v Speaker 3>They certainly do have lots of machine, but there's less

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<v Speaker 4>You know what I mean, it's like, and that is.

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<v Speaker 2>that the gods could do things or that God could

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<v Speaker 4>Lysis has at Autumata doesn't yeah, yeah.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, and uh, you know in ancient Greek literature they

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<v Speaker 1>So I mean I think it comes from that. But

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<v Speaker 2>I mean there you know, there is the uh antiic

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<v Speaker 2>thera mechanism, which is an old way of designing. It's

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<v Speaker 2>They also had similar things in China, of course, But

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<v Speaker 2>I think, like in the Middle Ages, this is like

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<v Speaker 2>they you know, these people were like extremely skilled smith's

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<v Speaker 2>and engineers for their time, and they knew how to

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<v Speaker 2>It's a form of conspicuous consumption because how is anyone

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<v Speaker 2>I think I've talked about it before, but in Constantinople,

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<v Speaker 2>And there's a quote from a guy named Leotprand of

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<v Speaker 2>the Emperor Theophilis's palace, and he says, quote lions made

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<v Speaker 2>of bronze or wood covered with gold, which stuck, which

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<v Speaker 2>gilded bronze, it's branches filled with birds. Likewise, a bronze

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<v Speaker 2>to their species. And the Emperor's thrown itself, which was

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<v Speaker 2>So like this is something for the ultra ultra rich

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, And I guess that you've really hit on something here, Luke,

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<v Speaker 3>which is that you would need so many of these

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<v Speaker 4>To sell things too. And I guess that's the thing is.

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<v Speaker 3>That there's no market, right, Yeah, you don't have consumption

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<v Speaker 3>in the same way.

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<v Speaker 2>So yeah, unless you sold this to the three richest

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<v Speaker 2>families in your region of Europe, like okay, you can go.

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<v Speaker 2>There are like maybe four other regions where you can

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<v Speaker 2>do that. So that's like, you know twelve, you sold

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<v Speaker 2>twelve of these and now what.

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<v Speaker 3>Like yeah, you can't have like an entire warehouse full

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<v Speaker 3>of people doing this, right, like and who's got he's.

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<v Speaker 1>Going to be repairing them?

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<v Speaker 2>Like you like the like like this would require Yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>this would require an extreme depth of knowledge that would

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<v Speaker 2>have to be like specifically passed down so the stuff

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<v Speaker 2>stayed into effect, and I mean a lot of it didn't.

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<v Speaker 1>Like the stuff.

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<v Speaker 2>The remains of the stuff we found is like badly

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<v Speaker 2>worn and melted, parsonally melted and all that.

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<v Speaker 1>Sort of stuff.

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<v Speaker 2>So you know, yeah, basically think the reason they did

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<v Speaker 2>it for clocks was because it made it easy because

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<v Speaker 2>everybody's like, we do kind of need a way to

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<v Speaker 2>That would be good, you know that for everyone. I

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<v Speaker 2>think that was kind of an unspoken problem that they

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<v Speaker 2>were all kind of like this whole system's real ify

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<v Speaker 2>like like, but tomorrow we're waking up at like five

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<v Speaker 2>thirty because you know what it's raining or what?

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, anyway, dog God, thank you for the question.

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<v Speaker 2>Next, we have one that's close to my heart because

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<v Speaker 2>who says, if you ever covered Simon Magas in an

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<v Speaker 2>episode of Simon the Biblical figure. I first read about

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<v Speaker 2>him in the book The Rise of Magic in Medieval

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<v Speaker 2>Europe by Valerie Flint, an interesting.

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<v Speaker 1>Great book, really great book.

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<v Speaker 4>Everybody good book alert, holy.

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<v Speaker 2>Shit, she may go, there you go, and one of

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<v Speaker 2>my second best bookshop finds. He seems like an interesting

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<v Speaker 2>character surrounded by apocryphal like doing magic battle with Saint

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<v Speaker 2>Peter in Rome. How big of a character was he

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<v Speaker 2>in the medieval imagination? Okay, I'm gonna let Eleanor talk

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<v Speaker 2>about him in the medieval imagination in.

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<v Speaker 1>Just a second, because he was.

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<v Speaker 2>But I need to say that this is this is

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<v Speaker 2>what the Bible says about Simon Magas. It is an

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<v Speaker 2>incredibly open and shut thing, and you will soon find

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<v Speaker 2>out that he's one of the biggest biblical glup shitdows.

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<v Speaker 2>People fucking love inventing stories from Acts chapter eight, verse nine.

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<v Speaker 2>But there was a certain man called Simon, which before

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<v Speaker 2>time in the same city you sorcery and bewitch the

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<v Speaker 2>people of Samaria, giving out that himself was some great

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<v Speaker 2>one to whom they all gave heed, from the least

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<v Speaker 2>to the greatest, saying, this man is the great power

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<v Speaker 2>of God. And to him they had regard, because that

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<v Speaker 2>of long time he had bewitched them with sorceries. But

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<v Speaker 2>when they believed Philip preaching the things concerning the Kingdom

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<v Speaker 2>of God and the name of Jesus Christ, they were baptized,

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<v Speaker 2>both men and women. Then Simon himself believed also, and

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<v Speaker 2>when he was baptized, he continued with Philip and wondered

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<v Speaker 2>beholding the miracles and signs which were done.

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<v Speaker 1>Now, when the.

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<v Speaker 2>Apostles, which where at Jerusalem, heard that Samaria had received

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<v Speaker 2>the word of God, they sent unto them Peter and John, who,

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<v Speaker 2>when they were come down, prayed for them that they

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<v Speaker 2>might receive the Holy ghosts, for it had not fallen

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<v Speaker 2>on them yet. I'm not reading all that shit. Then

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<v Speaker 2>they laid their hands on them, and they received the

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<v Speaker 2>holy ghosts. And when Simon saw that through the laying

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<v Speaker 2>on of the apostles' hands, the Holy Ghost was given.

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<v Speaker 2>He offered them money, saying, give me also this power,

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<v Speaker 2>that on whomsoever I lay hands, he may receive the

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<v Speaker 2>Holy Ghost.

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<v Speaker 1>Which it's not good, but okay.

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<v Speaker 2>But Peter said to him, thy money perish with THEE,

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<v Speaker 2>because thou hast thought the gift of God may be

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<v Speaker 2>purchased with money. Thou hast either part nor lot in

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<v Speaker 2>this matter. For the hot for thy heart is not

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<v Speaker 2>right in the side of God. Repent therefore of thy wickedness,

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<v Speaker 2>and pray God if perhaps the thought of thine heart

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<v Speaker 2>may be forgiven THEE. For I perceive that thou art

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<v Speaker 2>in the gall of bitterness and in the bond of iniquity.

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<v Speaker 2>Then answered Simon and said, pray ye to the Lord

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<v Speaker 2>for me that none of these things which he has

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<v Speaker 2>spoken come upon me.

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<v Speaker 1>So there you go.

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<v Speaker 2>He's doing some heretical stuff. He hears the truth, he

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<v Speaker 2>gets baptized, He backslides a little. He's like, I mean,

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<v Speaker 2>can I want to be able to do this? I

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<v Speaker 2>want to spread the word, you know. And he does

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<v Speaker 2>something silly, and Peter rebukes him, which is all finding good,

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<v Speaker 2>and rebukes him in the same way Christ, with the

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<v Speaker 2>same stuff about how being rich is evil and you

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<v Speaker 2>can't buy God with money.

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<v Speaker 1>Nudge nudge, and sybody, you know what.

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<v Speaker 2>Okay, you're right, my bad. Cool, that's it. That's that's

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<v Speaker 2>the biblical story of Simon Vegas. Now, eleanor would you

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<v Speaker 2>like to tell us how Simon Megas ended up doing

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<v Speaker 2>wizard battles with Saint Peter on the fucking at the

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<v Speaker 2>Golden Gates.

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<v Speaker 4>Of listen, because it's sick as hell.

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<v Speaker 2>Bra No, no, no, I'm not disagreeing with that.

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<v Speaker 4>So it's really interesting.

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<v Speaker 3>Basically all of the Simon Megas stuff comes mostly from

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<v Speaker 3>apocryphal works, so we get stuff like there's the Acts

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<v Speaker 3>of Peter, which are second century. Then you get like

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<v Speaker 3>the Pseudo Clementines, which is like third century, and this

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<v Speaker 3>is like this is about the conversion of the Clement

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<v Speaker 3>of Rome. Uh and he is like it's like a

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<v Speaker 3>buddy It's like Kung Fu. It's like a buddy thing

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<v Speaker 3>where Clement of Rome travels around with Peter and like

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<v Speaker 3>they like run into Simon majors, they like have to

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<v Speaker 3>do like battle people.

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<v Speaker 1>Right.

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<v Speaker 3>I think there's also in the Epistle of the Apostles

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<v Speaker 3>which again Aprorhal he's in there. And that's not really

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<v Speaker 3>surprising because the the Epistle of the Apostles is like

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<v Speaker 3>a really apocalyptic in nature. So it's got kind of

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<v Speaker 3>like a lot of talking about things like that, and

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<v Speaker 3>so like these are all things that are kind of

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<v Speaker 3>happening in late antiquity, and in late antiquity there's like

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<v Speaker 3>rather a lot of interest in talking.

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<v Speaker 4>About these things.

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<v Speaker 3>And also, I guess the thing that you have to understand,

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<v Speaker 3>both in a late antique sense and in a medieval sense,

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<v Speaker 3>is there's a lot of confusing individuals in the Bible. Like,

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<v Speaker 3>so what ends up happening is anytime like a wizard

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<v Speaker 3>gets mentioned, everyone goes ah shit, Simon Mages right, Like,

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<v Speaker 3>this is what happens with Mary Magdalen.

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<v Speaker 2>Right, his name is a byword for an evil wizard.

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<v Speaker 2>Now that's what a mega is, Like yeah.

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<v Speaker 3>Exactly, Yeah, Like I guess we have this problem with

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<v Speaker 3>Mary Magdalen, right, where like all of the Mary's in

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<v Speaker 3>the Gospel's got confused and they're like, oh, that's just

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<v Speaker 3>one bitch, right, and it is indeed three. So like

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<v Speaker 3>you do see this all the time, and there's this

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<v Speaker 3>kind of there's a desire to sort of square circles.

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<v Speaker 4>I guess this is the thing to say about it.

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<v Speaker 3>There's a real desire to kind of like pin things

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<v Speaker 3>you go through it and you just start going, oh yeah,

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<v Speaker 3>that guy, like that guy in you know whatever is

426
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<v Speaker 3>is Simon Magus. And then you get to the medieval

427
00:22:44.359 --> 00:22:48.279
<v Speaker 3>period and everyone's like, hell yeah, brother, I love this guy.

428
00:22:48.440 --> 00:22:51.160
<v Speaker 2>I love this shit, which is exactly what I do too,

429
00:22:51.200 --> 00:22:53.799
<v Speaker 2>because like there will be a character and people like

430
00:22:54.160 --> 00:22:56.759
<v Speaker 2>people have like a weird idea of this because like

431
00:22:57.400 --> 00:22:59.799
<v Speaker 2>you don't, like most people don't like look at that

432
00:22:59.799 --> 00:23:02.160
<v Speaker 2>guy and be like he's gonna be my glove shitdow,

433
00:23:02.160 --> 00:23:04.240
<v Speaker 2>like when they see something, like you see something and

434
00:23:04.279 --> 00:23:06.799
<v Speaker 2>it like just triggers this weird thing in your mind

435
00:23:07.160 --> 00:23:10.079
<v Speaker 2>and they get kind of stuck there, like Yoda, Like

436
00:23:10.200 --> 00:23:12.160
<v Speaker 2>Yoda has been stuck in my mind since I was

437
00:23:12.200 --> 00:23:14.960
<v Speaker 2>a little little kid, because he's just so fucking weird.

438
00:23:14.960 --> 00:23:18.519
<v Speaker 2>He's nine hundred, he's like thirty six inches tall, he

439
00:23:18.599 --> 00:23:21.519
<v Speaker 2>can lift like starships with his mind. It's just like

440
00:23:22.000 --> 00:23:24.440
<v Speaker 2>that's really cool. And so I totally get this. I

441
00:23:24.519 --> 00:23:26.559
<v Speaker 2>totally get why. I mean people do this because the

442
00:23:26.599 --> 00:23:29.759
<v Speaker 2>Bible's like he was a magic Not only did he

443
00:23:29.880 --> 00:23:32.000
<v Speaker 2>do magic, he did it in such a way that

444
00:23:32.039 --> 00:23:34.200
<v Speaker 2>these people believe them. And then he tried to buy

445
00:23:34.240 --> 00:23:37.119
<v Speaker 2>the magic from Peter and like and so I get

446
00:23:37.160 --> 00:23:39.039
<v Speaker 2>why they did it, but it's just so funny to me.

447
00:23:39.839 --> 00:23:42.319
<v Speaker 4>Yeah, And like then people kind of get confused with

448
00:23:42.400 --> 00:23:46.920
<v Speaker 4>it and they're like is he Paul Like yeah, yeah, yeah,

449
00:23:46.960 --> 00:23:48.279
<v Speaker 4>and they're like, no, guys, he isn't.

450
00:23:48.319 --> 00:23:50.000
<v Speaker 3>But like so for example, there's a there's a church

451
00:23:50.039 --> 00:23:55.359
<v Speaker 3>in Rome, Santa Francesca that they say was built at

452
00:23:55.599 --> 00:24:00.400
<v Speaker 3>the place where Simon falls in like he's super duel,

453
00:24:01.200 --> 00:24:04.920
<v Speaker 3>and they're like they've they've created this, right, and like

454
00:24:05.359 --> 00:24:07.599
<v Speaker 3>you know, basically like you will find it in the

455
00:24:07.680 --> 00:24:11.119
<v Speaker 3>Nuremberg Chronicle. Yeah, it comes up, like you'll find it,

456
00:24:11.160 --> 00:24:13.319
<v Speaker 3>Like I mean maybe Faust is based on him.

457
00:24:14.160 --> 00:24:14.400
<v Speaker 1>Yeah.

458
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<v Speaker 4>Maybe there's like an apocryphal story about.

459
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<v Speaker 3>Like like Simon and Peter like going in front of Nero.

460
00:24:23.920 --> 00:24:25.440
<v Speaker 4>Yeah, and like how and then.

461
00:24:25.319 --> 00:24:28.920
<v Speaker 3>Like Nero like arrests everybody and it's like it's really interesting, right,

462
00:24:29.480 --> 00:24:33.279
<v Speaker 3>So basically what it is is just a really good

463
00:24:33.680 --> 00:24:37.119
<v Speaker 3>story that you can add to whenever you want. And

464
00:24:37.759 --> 00:24:39.759
<v Speaker 3>it's just exciting, isn't it. Like I mean, we're talking

465
00:24:39.799 --> 00:24:41.440
<v Speaker 3>about it for that reason. It's because like the ship

466
00:24:41.440 --> 00:24:43.200
<v Speaker 3>bangs right, like.

467
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<v Speaker 2>You can invent all like you can invent all of

468
00:24:45.680 --> 00:24:47.599
<v Speaker 2>this stuff out with it. Like you could see like

469
00:24:47.680 --> 00:24:51.359
<v Speaker 2>this guy like saying that and then like he gets

470
00:24:51.400 --> 00:24:54.200
<v Speaker 2>bitter because Peter embarrassed him in front of everyone, and

471
00:24:54.240 --> 00:24:55.799
<v Speaker 2>so he's like I'm gonna get back at him, and

472
00:24:55.839 --> 00:24:59.119
<v Speaker 2>so then they're like firing like for real, they're like

473
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<v Speaker 2>firing light from their hands, and like Peter is like

474
00:25:03.240 --> 00:25:05.960
<v Speaker 2>deflecting it with you know, like cross it, you know,

475
00:25:06.039 --> 00:25:09.799
<v Speaker 2>like spiritual crosses, like yeah, you like and you could

476
00:25:09.839 --> 00:25:11.640
<v Speaker 2>do that, and you're just like I'm writing that ship

477
00:25:11.680 --> 00:25:13.319
<v Speaker 2>who gives Like who gives a fuck?

478
00:25:13.519 --> 00:25:15.599
<v Speaker 3>Like yeah, yeah, exactly, And it's like you can kind

479
00:25:15.599 --> 00:25:18.880
<v Speaker 3>of do whatever it is you want with it. It's

480
00:25:18.880 --> 00:25:21.200
<v Speaker 3>cool as ship and like that. That's just what it

481
00:25:21.200 --> 00:25:23.160
<v Speaker 3>comes down to, is that it's way more exciting.

482
00:25:23.599 --> 00:25:25.279
<v Speaker 1>I love it it is.

483
00:25:25.599 --> 00:25:28.759
<v Speaker 2>I love Simon Megas. It's so funny because like the

484
00:25:28.799 --> 00:25:32.000
<v Speaker 2>Bible's pretty open and shut, like he did something bad,

485
00:25:32.400 --> 00:25:36.160
<v Speaker 2>he repented and like in the side of Peter and

486
00:25:36.160 --> 00:25:38.680
<v Speaker 2>that's the end of it like you know, it's like okay, cool,

487
00:25:38.759 --> 00:25:44.559
<v Speaker 2>but then it's like no, no, he thought he fought

488
00:25:44.759 --> 00:25:49.720
<v Speaker 2>uh he fought Peter. He he was Paul and.

489
00:25:49.640 --> 00:25:53.000
<v Speaker 1>What just what like what is going on?

490
00:25:53.119 --> 00:25:56.279
<v Speaker 2>And it's like yeah, and he inspires like druids and

491
00:25:56.440 --> 00:25:59.400
<v Speaker 2>some druid anyway, Yeah, Simon megas is a lot of

492
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<v Speaker 2>fun Fluffiesel, thank you for the question. Next, we got

493
00:26:04.160 --> 00:26:07.279
<v Speaker 2>one from a periodic who says, how did medieval people

494
00:26:07.359 --> 00:26:10.559
<v Speaker 2>measure the strength of their beer or other alcoholic beverages?

495
00:26:10.799 --> 00:26:13.039
<v Speaker 2>We know they had different strengths of beer, so how

496
00:26:13.079 --> 00:26:15.759
<v Speaker 2>did they measure this? And a periodic went on to

497
00:26:15.799 --> 00:26:18.480
<v Speaker 2>say that this was based on a story from a

498
00:26:18.519 --> 00:26:22.079
<v Speaker 2>book about like how some woman who was a brewer

499
00:26:22.359 --> 00:26:26.359
<v Speaker 2>was arrested and received some kind of punishment for doing

500
00:26:26.480 --> 00:26:27.359
<v Speaker 2>understrength beer.

501
00:26:28.279 --> 00:26:31.240
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, so they don't have like a way of measuring

502
00:26:31.279 --> 00:26:31.880
<v Speaker 3>it like we do.

503
00:26:32.039 --> 00:26:33.400
<v Speaker 4>Like they're not gonna be able to Oh yo, the

504
00:26:33.440 --> 00:26:36.920
<v Speaker 4>ABV is this brough You just drink it like.

505
00:26:37.160 --> 00:26:41.279
<v Speaker 2>It's just man, that is so awesome because drinking, like

506
00:26:41.400 --> 00:26:44.480
<v Speaker 2>how drunk you get is not just based like if

507
00:26:44.519 --> 00:26:46.599
<v Speaker 2>you eat a bunch of bread beforehand.

508
00:26:46.880 --> 00:26:47.720
<v Speaker 1>Yeah I know, I know.

509
00:26:48.200 --> 00:26:51.640
<v Speaker 3>Okay, So so for example, I'm I'm just having come

510
00:26:51.680 --> 00:26:54.880
<v Speaker 3>back from the Lowlands, where I simply love to be

511
00:26:55.839 --> 00:26:57.480
<v Speaker 3>where all the beer is like six.

512
00:26:57.319 --> 00:26:58.240
<v Speaker 4>Point five percent.

513
00:26:58.559 --> 00:27:02.160
<v Speaker 3>Like you know, you have a zip like shout a

514
00:27:02.200 --> 00:27:06.599
<v Speaker 3>shout out to to the brewery eye in Amsterdam have

515
00:27:06.720 --> 00:27:09.640
<v Speaker 3>as you have a sip of eyewit and you're like, yep,

516
00:27:09.960 --> 00:27:12.000
<v Speaker 3>that that'll fuck you up, Like you could you could

517
00:27:12.000 --> 00:27:14.440
<v Speaker 3>taste it, you can feel it right as opposed to

518
00:27:14.880 --> 00:27:19.200
<v Speaker 3>a delicious and refreshing pint of bitter here in the UK,

519
00:27:19.359 --> 00:27:22.359
<v Speaker 3>where you're like, that's definitely like three point eight right,

520
00:27:22.400 --> 00:27:23.640
<v Speaker 3>like you can you can just kind of like tell

521
00:27:23.680 --> 00:27:26.839
<v Speaker 3>from mouth feel and and also you know by drinking

522
00:27:27.799 --> 00:27:29.519
<v Speaker 3>a couple of them, like drink.

523
00:27:29.279 --> 00:27:35.079
<v Speaker 2>A minute, this bitter is under You're just like why

524
00:27:35.599 --> 00:27:37.799
<v Speaker 2>and there's a hole there's you know, it's just like

525
00:27:37.839 --> 00:27:41.680
<v Speaker 2>the Simpsons, a whole a whole mob shows up because yeah.

526
00:27:41.400 --> 00:27:43.000
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, and I mean I think that you you would

527
00:27:43.079 --> 00:27:45.720
<v Speaker 3>kind of try to fake it sometimes, like make it sweeter,

528
00:27:46.240 --> 00:27:48.640
<v Speaker 3>to make it seem like it might be it might

529
00:27:48.680 --> 00:27:52.680
<v Speaker 3>be heavier than it is, and and so a lot

530
00:27:52.720 --> 00:27:58.000
<v Speaker 3>of the faking it involves kind of like flavorings and

531
00:27:58.039 --> 00:28:02.559
<v Speaker 3>things like that. So yeah, like and when you have

532
00:28:03.920 --> 00:28:06.000
<v Speaker 3>a small beer now you can usually tell it small beer.

533
00:28:06.119 --> 00:28:07.680
<v Speaker 3>I do like small beer, and I'm glad that it's

534
00:28:07.720 --> 00:28:10.400
<v Speaker 3>coming back, like shout out great for if you're me

535
00:28:10.640 --> 00:28:12.400
<v Speaker 3>and you live in the UK and you're like, I'm

536
00:28:12.400 --> 00:28:14.240
<v Speaker 3>about to have a session for seven hours, but I

537
00:28:14.279 --> 00:28:19.680
<v Speaker 3>cannot get trashed beyond yeah, like imagination, right, Like having

538
00:28:19.720 --> 00:28:21.599
<v Speaker 3>table beer or having small beer around is like really

539
00:28:21.599 --> 00:28:22.039
<v Speaker 3>really good.

540
00:28:23.119 --> 00:28:26.400
<v Speaker 4>And so yeah, I think that.

541
00:28:28.599 --> 00:28:30.480
<v Speaker 3>A lot of it is just down to kind of

542
00:28:30.519 --> 00:28:33.519
<v Speaker 3>taste and then you know, just seeing if anyone gets

543
00:28:33.559 --> 00:28:34.039
<v Speaker 3>shit faced.

544
00:28:34.079 --> 00:28:39.799
<v Speaker 2>I guess yeah, yeah, yeah, that's all I got. I

545
00:28:39.839 --> 00:28:42.480
<v Speaker 2>definitely don't know anything about that, but it is very

546
00:28:42.480 --> 00:28:44.680
<v Speaker 2>funny to think about, because you just eat a big meal,

547
00:28:44.720 --> 00:28:46.759
<v Speaker 2>You're gonna be like, wait a minute, this beer isn't

548
00:28:46.799 --> 00:28:51.319
<v Speaker 2>and then you die beira, oh wait yeah, yeah yeah,

549
00:28:51.359 --> 00:28:55.160
<v Speaker 2>this this beer ain't shit. Thirty seven minutes later, Oh no,

550
00:28:55.240 --> 00:28:56.359
<v Speaker 2>I was digesting.

551
00:28:56.559 --> 00:28:56.759
<v Speaker 1>Yeah.

552
00:28:56.759 --> 00:29:02.200
<v Speaker 2>Anyway, any such cases these days, yeah, even into the

553
00:29:02.240 --> 00:29:05.240
<v Speaker 2>modern day a periodic. Thank you very much for the question. Next,

554
00:29:05.279 --> 00:29:08.240
<v Speaker 2>we got one from MG in your Face, who says

555
00:29:08.400 --> 00:29:11.000
<v Speaker 2>were these smoking and curing meats in the medieval era?

556
00:29:11.480 --> 00:29:18.519
<v Speaker 2>Hermon Iberico Soaprasada Capacola, all the different salamis, and the

557
00:29:18.640 --> 00:29:21.799
<v Speaker 2>answer at least to the curing thing is dog. We

558
00:29:22.119 --> 00:29:27.880
<v Speaker 2>humans have been doing that, did that like unironically, Like

559
00:29:28.000 --> 00:29:31.559
<v Speaker 2>it's a very very very old practice.

560
00:29:32.039 --> 00:29:35.480
<v Speaker 4>You know, the human lungs in his heart to cure meat.

561
00:29:36.240 --> 00:29:39.720
<v Speaker 4>He does, you know, especially like in.

562
00:29:40.279 --> 00:29:43.079
<v Speaker 3>A time when you don't have refrigeration and things like that.

563
00:29:43.240 --> 00:29:47.680
<v Speaker 3>So like in terms of like preservation, that was what

564
00:29:47.839 --> 00:29:50.039
<v Speaker 3>was going on up until we invented kind of like

565
00:29:50.079 --> 00:29:54.839
<v Speaker 3>indoor indoor refridges, right, So it's like basically up until

566
00:29:54.880 --> 00:29:58.279
<v Speaker 3>kind of like the nineteenth century, it's like whatever. So

567
00:29:58.920 --> 00:30:04.720
<v Speaker 3>like most often like dehydration is really involved or just

568
00:30:04.720 --> 00:30:05.680
<v Speaker 3>like salting things.

569
00:30:05.759 --> 00:30:08.519
<v Speaker 4>Right, So you remember like the.

570
00:30:10.319 --> 00:30:13.160
<v Speaker 3>Saint Nicholas legend of how like there's the three boys

571
00:30:13.160 --> 00:30:15.319
<v Speaker 3>who get killed during a famine and then like the

572
00:30:15.960 --> 00:30:18.240
<v Speaker 3>u and the butcher's like trying to salt them down.

573
00:30:18.720 --> 00:30:20.759
<v Speaker 3>It's like because he's gonna make ham out of them, right,

574
00:30:20.880 --> 00:30:26.079
<v Speaker 3>Like that's the thing. So and like you know they're

575
00:30:26.119 --> 00:30:30.079
<v Speaker 3>really traditional ones, so like you know parmham or aha hamalonim.

576
00:30:29.519 --> 00:30:30.519
<v Speaker 4>Barrico and things like that.

577
00:30:30.640 --> 00:30:33.079
<v Speaker 3>You're only supposed to assault them, like you're not supposed

578
00:30:33.079 --> 00:30:37.680
<v Speaker 3>to use anything else, and so that this has been

579
00:30:37.720 --> 00:30:39.880
<v Speaker 3>going on for really quite some time that there isn't

580
00:30:39.920 --> 00:30:42.359
<v Speaker 3>kind of like the same obviously like dop thing. But

581
00:30:42.599 --> 00:30:46.440
<v Speaker 3>people will talk about people's varying sausage recipes or people's

582
00:30:46.480 --> 00:30:49.640
<v Speaker 3>varying like salami recipes. What can be confusing to us

583
00:30:49.759 --> 00:30:52.359
<v Speaker 3>is that it isn't always denoted as a different food

584
00:30:53.079 --> 00:30:56.799
<v Speaker 3>and you kind of have to know by like context

585
00:30:56.839 --> 00:30:59.359
<v Speaker 3>what they're talking about, like I gig you because of SLAMI.

586
00:30:59.000 --> 00:30:59.519
<v Speaker 4>Is a sausage.

587
00:30:59.559 --> 00:31:01.119
<v Speaker 1>It's just a your sausage, right.

588
00:31:01.079 --> 00:31:04.519
<v Speaker 4>So and then also obviously rather a lot of smoking.

589
00:31:05.920 --> 00:31:08.680
<v Speaker 3>Was going down, so like especially for fish and eels,

590
00:31:09.960 --> 00:31:13.440
<v Speaker 3>because that is, uh, that's just like the way.

591
00:31:13.319 --> 00:31:15.680
<v Speaker 2>They the only way it's going to stay good for

592
00:31:15.759 --> 00:31:18.960
<v Speaker 2>longer than like thirty minutes.

593
00:31:19.279 --> 00:31:23.400
<v Speaker 3>You're much more beholden in the Middle Ages to the

594
00:31:23.440 --> 00:31:25.039
<v Speaker 3>seasons and things like that. So if you want to

595
00:31:25.039 --> 00:31:28.440
<v Speaker 3>be able to eat things, you kind of like, uh,

596
00:31:28.680 --> 00:31:30.920
<v Speaker 3>you kind of do it the best that you can, right, So,

597
00:31:32.759 --> 00:31:35.799
<v Speaker 3>like we we do think that there's rather a lot

598
00:31:35.799 --> 00:31:36.279
<v Speaker 3>of bacon.

599
00:31:36.359 --> 00:31:38.160
<v Speaker 4>They talk about that.

600
00:31:39.960 --> 00:31:43.920
<v Speaker 3>Pat was invented in the Middle Ages. That's a little

601
00:31:44.839 --> 00:31:49.880
<v Speaker 3>French medieval way of coming into the world. And also

602
00:31:49.920 --> 00:31:53.599
<v Speaker 3>a really great way of storing things. So yeah, patae

603
00:31:53.839 --> 00:32:00.079
<v Speaker 3>really really big and then like uh you know like

604
00:32:00.400 --> 00:32:03.680
<v Speaker 3>sometimes like aspects and things that those would come out

605
00:32:03.799 --> 00:32:07.359
<v Speaker 3>right like, but we definitely know that they're drying a

606
00:32:07.400 --> 00:32:08.920
<v Speaker 3>lot of things. We know that they're salting a lot

607
00:32:08.920 --> 00:32:11.640
<v Speaker 3>of things, and you know they're they're coming up with

608
00:32:11.880 --> 00:32:16.920
<v Speaker 3>new strategies right so like like with pate or milanges

609
00:32:17.839 --> 00:32:18.680
<v Speaker 3>and things like that.

610
00:32:18.960 --> 00:32:21.680
<v Speaker 4>So yeah, like it's absolutely going on.

611
00:32:21.759 --> 00:32:24.440
<v Speaker 3>It's just that the thing that we lack is great

612
00:32:24.480 --> 00:32:27.160
<v Speaker 3>documentation of it, like saying oh yeah and like here

613
00:32:27.200 --> 00:32:29.200
<v Speaker 3>you go, like it's it's parmahat, Like we we don't

614
00:32:29.200 --> 00:32:34.000
<v Speaker 3>have that as much, but we we do absolutely know

615
00:32:34.839 --> 00:32:37.799
<v Speaker 3>like when when Pate came in, it's like because they're

616
00:32:37.839 --> 00:32:41.720
<v Speaker 3>like everyone like fucking lost their mind, right like y.

617
00:32:42.200 --> 00:32:47.000
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, yeah, yeah, I don't know. I just know they've

618
00:32:47.039 --> 00:32:48.680
<v Speaker 2>been doing that ship for a long time and I

619
00:32:48.799 --> 00:32:51.559
<v Speaker 2>enjoy it. Thank you to everyone who did that in

620
00:32:51.559 --> 00:32:56.720
<v Speaker 2>the past. Good uh smoked and cured meat is good.

621
00:32:56.799 --> 00:33:01.400
<v Speaker 2>You heard it here first folks breaking news em gin

622
00:33:01.440 --> 00:33:03.480
<v Speaker 2>your face. Thank you very much for the question. Got

623
00:33:03.480 --> 00:33:06.839
<v Speaker 2>a couple more, this one from Alie Kant, who says

624
00:33:06.839 --> 00:33:10.240
<v Speaker 2>do you have a favorite sea engine and what and

625
00:33:10.279 --> 00:33:13.559
<v Speaker 2>what one would you love to operate a replica of.

626
00:33:14.279 --> 00:33:16.720
<v Speaker 3>Obviously I do, and obviously I do, and obviously it's

627
00:33:16.720 --> 00:33:17.640
<v Speaker 3>a Trebbusha, thank you.

628
00:33:18.599 --> 00:33:20.640
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I've always wanted to throw a watermelon out of

629
00:33:20.640 --> 00:33:23.440
<v Speaker 2>a tribute Sha my entire life. The first time I

630
00:33:23.440 --> 00:33:25.440
<v Speaker 2>saw when I wanted to get a big ass watermelon,

631
00:33:25.599 --> 00:33:28.000
<v Speaker 2>put it in there and just hook it just as

632
00:33:28.039 --> 00:33:28.880
<v Speaker 2>far as it can go.

633
00:33:29.599 --> 00:33:32.559
<v Speaker 3>As far back as I can remember, I've always operated.

634
00:33:34.839 --> 00:33:37.599
<v Speaker 4>Yeah, Like I mean, Trevasha is just whip dude. Like

635
00:33:37.640 --> 00:33:41.079
<v Speaker 4>they're so good. I like how far they can throw things.

636
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<v Speaker 4>I think they're a really good idea.

637
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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, watermelons would be really fun to throw, you know,

638
00:33:47.799 --> 00:33:49.720
<v Speaker 3>like even just like a bag of flour and see

639
00:33:49.720 --> 00:33:50.359
<v Speaker 3>it poof up.

640
00:33:50.400 --> 00:33:51.319
<v Speaker 4>That'd be quite fun.

641
00:33:51.839 --> 00:33:53.720
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, it's it's got to be Trebuche for me. I

642
00:33:53.720 --> 00:33:56.359
<v Speaker 3>know it's cliche, but also.

643
00:33:56.279 --> 00:33:59.839
<v Speaker 4>Am I wrong? No? I am not Trebuchet all the way, bitch.

644
00:34:00.119 --> 00:34:00.160
<v Speaker 1>No.

645
00:34:00.599 --> 00:34:03.440
<v Speaker 2>I also think it would be really fun to skewer

646
00:34:03.559 --> 00:34:06.920
<v Speaker 2>something with a ballista, just you know, just hit something

647
00:34:06.920 --> 00:34:09.360
<v Speaker 2>with one of those giant ass quivers.

648
00:34:09.400 --> 00:34:12.119
<v Speaker 1>Oh, that'd be great really.

649
00:34:11.880 --> 00:34:15.079
<v Speaker 2>Just like you know, like you just like shoot it

650
00:34:15.079 --> 00:34:16.559
<v Speaker 2>at like a piece of wood and you're like, oh,

651
00:34:16.639 --> 00:34:20.039
<v Speaker 2>that's awesome. All right, cool, Well that was nice. Yeah,

652
00:34:20.079 --> 00:34:24.000
<v Speaker 2>they're awesome. I would like to operate pretty much any

653
00:34:24.360 --> 00:34:26.320
<v Speaker 2>of them because they all seem neat.

654
00:34:26.760 --> 00:34:31.360
<v Speaker 1>But yeah, the there's somebody trebuche like the big like

655
00:34:31.599 --> 00:34:32.239
<v Speaker 1>cook thing.

656
00:34:32.320 --> 00:34:35.199
<v Speaker 2>It's just like you're like, it's so heavy, how's it

657
00:34:35.239 --> 00:34:37.159
<v Speaker 2>gonna go? And then it just tosses it and you're like,

658
00:34:37.239 --> 00:34:38.039
<v Speaker 2>oh that's awesome.

659
00:34:38.119 --> 00:34:42.800
<v Speaker 1>Oh my god, that's so cool. Anyway, Uh, yeah.

660
00:34:42.559 --> 00:34:46.199
<v Speaker 2>I am easily impressed by such things. Lastly, we got

661
00:34:46.239 --> 00:34:50.880
<v Speaker 2>one from let Car who says if Eleanor and Luke

662
00:34:51.039 --> 00:34:54.199
<v Speaker 2>could travel, could time travel back, and it's any event

663
00:34:54.360 --> 00:34:56.519
<v Speaker 2>in the Middle Ages, what would it be? And I'm

664
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<v Speaker 2>just assuming this is like in a time in a

665
00:34:59.760 --> 00:35:03.679
<v Speaker 2>time machine. You can only watch, you can't touch or

666
00:35:03.719 --> 00:35:07.239
<v Speaker 2>do anything. So yeah, Eleanor, what what she got?

667
00:35:08.519 --> 00:35:10.000
<v Speaker 4>I kind of want to go back.

668
00:35:10.559 --> 00:35:12.559
<v Speaker 3>I want to just go over to Smithfield and see

669
00:35:12.559 --> 00:35:15.239
<v Speaker 3>what happened to wat Tyler. I want to see you

670
00:35:15.239 --> 00:35:18.119
<v Speaker 3>who did my boy dirty? I want to see who

671
00:35:18.199 --> 00:35:19.440
<v Speaker 3>the fuck stabbed this man?

672
00:35:20.320 --> 00:35:20.800
<v Speaker 1>Did? Right?

673
00:35:20.880 --> 00:35:23.400
<v Speaker 4>And I like and I don't I.

674
00:35:23.360 --> 00:35:28.440
<v Speaker 3>Don't like to be English centric like this, but I'm

675
00:35:28.519 --> 00:35:32.639
<v Speaker 3>very I'm very interested to know who's the fuck yeah

676
00:35:32.800 --> 00:35:35.719
<v Speaker 3>killed wat Tyler. I just want to talk, all right.

677
00:35:35.840 --> 00:35:36.760
<v Speaker 4>Yeah.

678
00:35:37.079 --> 00:35:39.280
<v Speaker 3>Then I think like my second choice after that would

679
00:35:39.320 --> 00:35:42.880
<v Speaker 3>be the first defenestration obviously, just to be like, hag

680
00:35:43.159 --> 00:35:45.559
<v Speaker 3>get their ass. And then the third one is I

681
00:35:45.639 --> 00:35:48.480
<v Speaker 3>just want to look at Granada. I just want to

682
00:35:48.480 --> 00:35:50.360
<v Speaker 3>see it, like I just want to get like like

683
00:35:50.400 --> 00:35:51.719
<v Speaker 3>Granada or Constantinople.

684
00:35:51.800 --> 00:35:52.679
<v Speaker 4>I just want to see.

685
00:35:52.519 --> 00:35:54.639
<v Speaker 1>Them interesting, you know.

686
00:35:54.639 --> 00:35:57.960
<v Speaker 3>I would like to see that fucking automatothroom just just yeah,

687
00:35:58.920 --> 00:35:59.920
<v Speaker 3>that's all, you know.

688
00:36:00.079 --> 00:36:03.559
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I think for me, like I mean, I think

689
00:36:03.559 --> 00:36:08.159
<v Speaker 2>I've talked about it before. I want to be a fly.

690
00:36:08.079 --> 00:36:08.599
<v Speaker 1>On the wall.

691
00:36:08.760 --> 00:36:15.719
<v Speaker 2>For However, the meeting went between Polynesian wayfarers who made

692
00:36:15.760 --> 00:36:18.599
<v Speaker 2>it all the way to South or Central America and

693
00:36:19.159 --> 00:36:21.639
<v Speaker 2>like the indigenous people, like I just want to see

694
00:36:21.639 --> 00:36:25.360
<v Speaker 2>how that went, how they were able to like negotiate

695
00:36:25.400 --> 00:36:29.199
<v Speaker 2>a compromise where some people took took something, they took

696
00:36:29.559 --> 00:36:35.400
<v Speaker 2>sweet potatoes back, and also they fucked the nead kids,

697
00:36:35.559 --> 00:36:39.480
<v Speaker 2>Like I want to know how that, like, like I

698
00:36:39.559 --> 00:36:43.039
<v Speaker 2>just I need to see how that worked. The Fall

699
00:36:43.119 --> 00:36:47.760
<v Speaker 2>of Contantinople I would watch every second of that. It

700
00:36:47.760 --> 00:36:49.639
<v Speaker 2>would be so cool. But one that I don't think

701
00:36:49.639 --> 00:36:54.280
<v Speaker 2>we've ever talked about, mostly because I've really never had

702
00:36:54.280 --> 00:36:56.360
<v Speaker 2>a chance to fit in a description of it. But

703
00:36:56.480 --> 00:36:59.639
<v Speaker 2>in twelve fifty seven, there was a volcanic rruption on

704
00:37:00.280 --> 00:37:04.719
<v Speaker 2>the island of Somalis or I'm sorry, it's the smallest volcano,

705
00:37:05.119 --> 00:37:08.519
<v Speaker 2>which is on the island of Lombac in Indonesia. And

706
00:37:08.559 --> 00:37:12.119
<v Speaker 2>this is one of the like five or six biggest

707
00:37:12.159 --> 00:37:15.679
<v Speaker 2>volcanic eruptions of the last seven thousand years. It's up

708
00:37:15.679 --> 00:37:19.039
<v Speaker 2>there with like when Thera erupted in the ancient era

709
00:37:19.159 --> 00:37:23.320
<v Speaker 2>and then Mount Tambora and stuff like that. And basically

710
00:37:23.440 --> 00:37:26.519
<v Speaker 2>this was such a large explosion and so big that

711
00:37:26.719 --> 00:37:29.599
<v Speaker 2>it caused a year without summer after the fact and

712
00:37:30.400 --> 00:37:37.199
<v Speaker 2>has been indicated as one of the leading one of

713
00:37:37.239 --> 00:37:41.800
<v Speaker 2>the leading causes that changed from the medieval warm climatic

714
00:37:41.840 --> 00:37:45.840
<v Speaker 2>anomaly to the later leading to the later Little I

715
00:37:45.960 --> 00:37:51.400
<v Speaker 2>Sage along with eruption in the fourteen fifties that scientists

716
00:37:51.480 --> 00:37:53.880
<v Speaker 2>can see but don't actually know where it came from,

717
00:37:53.880 --> 00:37:55.920
<v Speaker 2>like you could see it in the record, which again

718
00:37:56.039 --> 00:37:59.159
<v Speaker 2>is something I always find fun. But like I mean,

719
00:37:59.159 --> 00:38:02.039
<v Speaker 2>I don't think it's surprised anyone. Like I love like

720
00:38:02.159 --> 00:38:05.400
<v Speaker 2>the spectacle of this stuff. I Like it's just so

721
00:38:05.840 --> 00:38:09.039
<v Speaker 2>like incredible to me in my head, and like I

722
00:38:09.079 --> 00:38:13.440
<v Speaker 2>can it just seems so amazing and fantastic to see

723
00:38:13.440 --> 00:38:16.519
<v Speaker 2>this thing that like we live on and like nurtures

724
00:38:16.599 --> 00:38:18.880
<v Speaker 2>us and keeps us alive every day, and then all

725
00:38:18.880 --> 00:38:21.840
<v Speaker 2>of a sudden, like for reasons we can't we don't

726
00:38:22.079 --> 00:38:25.000
<v Speaker 2>really fully understand, you'll just get like a huge magma

727
00:38:25.039 --> 00:38:28.679
<v Speaker 2>plume coming up and it will just like it'll poke

728
00:38:28.840 --> 00:38:31.719
<v Speaker 2>through the like thin mantle that we live on and

729
00:38:33.639 --> 00:38:38.400
<v Speaker 2>change the world for decades. Just like I mean, I

730
00:38:38.440 --> 00:38:40.400
<v Speaker 2>don't think it's gonna happen, and we shouldn't be looking

731
00:38:40.440 --> 00:38:42.599
<v Speaker 2>for a savior for this in any regard, But I mean,

732
00:38:42.639 --> 00:38:46.559
<v Speaker 2>there is a legitimate chance that, like you could just

733
00:38:46.599 --> 00:38:48.360
<v Speaker 2>have a huge volcanic eruption.

734
00:38:48.320 --> 00:38:48.800
<v Speaker 1>That like.

735
00:38:50.960 --> 00:38:55.119
<v Speaker 2>Hurts or causes a lot of the issues with climate

736
00:38:55.199 --> 00:38:57.599
<v Speaker 2>change that we've had to regress. I mean, it would

737
00:38:57.599 --> 00:38:59.840
<v Speaker 2>also kill a lot of people, and it would be horrific.

738
00:38:59.880 --> 00:39:03.440
<v Speaker 2>But like that the ability to change things on that

739
00:39:03.519 --> 00:39:07.039
<v Speaker 2>scale and it being something that we cannot predict because

740
00:39:07.039 --> 00:39:09.880
<v Speaker 2>it's not because there's no predictive way about it. We

741
00:39:09.920 --> 00:39:13.480
<v Speaker 2>barely under we don't fully understand how the planet works,

742
00:39:13.679 --> 00:39:16.440
<v Speaker 2>and we certainly don't understand how to predict where magma

743
00:39:16.440 --> 00:39:20.239
<v Speaker 2>plumes are going to pop up from like the molten core,

744
00:39:20.280 --> 00:39:24.519
<v Speaker 2>and like it's just amazing to me, Like, yeah, I

745
00:39:24.559 --> 00:39:27.519
<v Speaker 2>love it. I would want to see that. I would

746
00:39:27.559 --> 00:39:31.960
<v Speaker 2>want to see, like just see like the pure spectacle

747
00:39:32.039 --> 00:39:37.039
<v Speaker 2>of this mountain losing its top and the sky being

748
00:39:37.199 --> 00:39:41.920
<v Speaker 2>darkened by something like like just incredible.

749
00:39:42.400 --> 00:39:44.639
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, yeah, Earth you.

750
00:39:44.719 --> 00:39:47.480
<v Speaker 4>Scary, Like yeah, she's so creepy.

751
00:39:47.719 --> 00:39:48.360
<v Speaker 1>What's it like?

752
00:39:48.599 --> 00:39:52.000
<v Speaker 2>Well, like the other thing, like, okay, so the mantle

753
00:39:52.079 --> 00:39:55.639
<v Speaker 2>that we're on is actually incredibly incredibly incredibly thin. And

754
00:39:55.719 --> 00:39:59.039
<v Speaker 2>I saw it described is that if you stacked up

755
00:39:59.119 --> 00:40:02.719
<v Speaker 2>all three of the the Rings books and you made

756
00:40:02.760 --> 00:40:05.719
<v Speaker 2>that a representation for like the Earth from the mantle

757
00:40:05.800 --> 00:40:08.519
<v Speaker 2>down to the core, the mantle would be as thick

758
00:40:08.599 --> 00:40:12.480
<v Speaker 2>as one single sheet of paper in that Like that

759
00:40:12.599 --> 00:40:14.599
<v Speaker 2>is that is how thin the thing we live on

760
00:40:14.719 --> 00:40:15.320
<v Speaker 2>ry And I.

761
00:40:15.239 --> 00:40:17.440
<v Speaker 1>Mean no, it's it's kept.

762
00:40:17.639 --> 00:40:20.000
<v Speaker 2>It's kept things living on this planet for three and

763
00:40:20.000 --> 00:40:23.880
<v Speaker 2>a half billion years. But it is like way for thin,

764
00:40:24.199 --> 00:40:27.239
<v Speaker 2>and like volcanoes can just like pop up like we

765
00:40:27.320 --> 00:40:29.760
<v Speaker 2>can predict some of them with regularity, Like they now

766
00:40:29.840 --> 00:40:33.239
<v Speaker 2>don't think like the Yellowstone Caldera is gonna blow anytime soon.

767
00:40:33.320 --> 00:40:36.719
<v Speaker 2>But like if you look up the if you look

768
00:40:36.760 --> 00:40:40.280
<v Speaker 2>up a list of the most likely volcanoes to erupt next,

769
00:40:40.320 --> 00:40:44.119
<v Speaker 2>you will find ten different lists and ten different answers.

770
00:40:44.159 --> 00:40:46.719
<v Speaker 2>I mean, they'll have some overlap, but there's really no

771
00:40:46.760 --> 00:40:51.320
<v Speaker 2>way to know. Like I think it's a Mount Pittatubo,

772
00:40:51.400 --> 00:40:55.000
<v Speaker 2>which bleww in like nineteen ninety one, apparently as.

773
00:40:54.880 --> 00:40:56.719
<v Speaker 4>The summer that year, I remember that show.

774
00:40:56.840 --> 00:41:02.159
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, apparently has refilled its magma reservoir. Like again, they

775
00:41:02.199 --> 00:41:04.400
<v Speaker 2>don't know, like it could be tomorrow, it could be

776
00:41:04.719 --> 00:41:08.480
<v Speaker 2>like hundreds of years. It's insane anyway, geologists, if you

777
00:41:08.559 --> 00:41:11.920
<v Speaker 2>do this regularly and I messed up something here, that's fine,

778
00:41:11.960 --> 00:41:14.000
<v Speaker 2>Please tell me. I will be happy to be wrong.

779
00:41:14.119 --> 00:41:19.519
<v Speaker 2>But uh, yeah, it's fucking yeah. Earth much like space.

780
00:41:19.760 --> 00:41:26.079
<v Speaker 2>Damn Earth, you are awe inspiring and also very scary. Yeah,

781
00:41:26.239 --> 00:41:28.000
<v Speaker 2>so I don't think it's any surprise that I would

782
00:41:28.039 --> 00:41:30.039
<v Speaker 2>like to see that. And again, uh, if I get

783
00:41:30.079 --> 00:41:31.960
<v Speaker 2>to go back in a time machine and they're like,

784
00:41:32.000 --> 00:41:33.760
<v Speaker 2>you can only go to the Middle Ages, I'm like look,

785
00:41:33.840 --> 00:41:35.639
<v Speaker 2>I don't care. I want to see the I want

786
00:41:35.679 --> 00:41:37.599
<v Speaker 2>to see the asteroid that destroyed the dinosaurs.

787
00:41:37.639 --> 00:41:41.280
<v Speaker 4>Please, let's let's yeah.

788
00:41:40.679 --> 00:41:42.639
<v Speaker 1>Don't make me bag. I mean I will, but don't

789
00:41:42.639 --> 00:41:43.039
<v Speaker 1>make me.

790
00:41:43.039 --> 00:41:45.360
<v Speaker 4>Please, I would like I would like to see some dinosaurs.

791
00:41:45.400 --> 00:41:48.159
<v Speaker 2>I'm gonna one day, one time, I'm gonna do a

792
00:41:48.199 --> 00:41:50.519
<v Speaker 2>bonus episode where I just spend the whole time describing it,

793
00:41:50.599 --> 00:41:53.519
<v Speaker 2>because like it's it is. It's my Roman Empire thing,

794
00:41:53.679 --> 00:41:56.360
<v Speaker 2>like I figured, like it is, that is my thing,

795
00:41:56.599 --> 00:42:00.159
<v Speaker 2>like it is just I think about it weekly, Like

796
00:42:01.360 --> 00:42:05.599
<v Speaker 2>it's like the horrific way that the single worst day

797
00:42:05.760 --> 00:42:08.519
<v Speaker 2>in the history of this planet, like since life has

798
00:42:08.559 --> 00:42:11.440
<v Speaker 2>existed that we know of, is this day, and it

799
00:42:11.840 --> 00:42:16.400
<v Speaker 2>destroyed things that weigh forty fucking tons, just threw them

800
00:42:16.440 --> 00:42:17.119
<v Speaker 2>into mountains.

801
00:42:17.400 --> 00:42:17.840
<v Speaker 1>Anyway.

802
00:42:18.440 --> 00:42:23.440
<v Speaker 2>Uh, we're really small and it's fucking life is fucking incredible.

803
00:42:23.480 --> 00:42:28.039
<v Speaker 1>Anyway, we should keep it going instead of being stupid. Anyway.

804
00:42:28.480 --> 00:42:31.760
<v Speaker 2>Uh, the dinosaurs died for this. We cannot let a

805
00:42:31.800 --> 00:42:37.880
<v Speaker 2>bunch of everything when our beautiful Tricera toopsis is and

806
00:42:39.000 --> 00:42:43.119
<v Speaker 2>galim mimas is died for this, we cannot do it.

807
00:42:43.559 --> 00:42:49.360
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I can't. Yeah, folks, thank you very much.

808
00:42:49.639 --> 00:42:53.800
<v Speaker 2>For subscribing to, or for listening and subscribing to We're

809
00:42:53.880 --> 00:42:56.599
<v Speaker 2>Not So Different, a podcast where I occasionally do Persian

810
00:42:56.679 --> 00:43:00.159
<v Speaker 2>reveries about something that happens six a million years that's

811
00:43:00.440 --> 00:43:04.440
<v Speaker 2>I was born yesterday. That can't stop me from reading

812
00:43:04.519 --> 00:43:07.599
<v Speaker 2>about it or watching computer simulations of what it would

813
00:43:07.639 --> 00:43:11.000
<v Speaker 2>be like anyway. And that's also how you beat the

814
00:43:11.079 --> 00:43:14.159
<v Speaker 2>YouTube turn you into a fascist algorithm as you're like,

815
00:43:14.239 --> 00:43:18.320
<v Speaker 2>no thanks, I want to see dimosor I want to

816
00:43:18.360 --> 00:43:23.880
<v Speaker 2>see diamond sword. Go bye bye, folks, thank you, thank

817
00:43:23.960 --> 00:43:26.239
<v Speaker 2>you everyone. Eleanor what's going on with you?

818
00:43:28.079 --> 00:43:33.239
<v Speaker 4>A great question? You know, the usual.

819
00:43:33.519 --> 00:43:36.280
<v Speaker 3>So you can find me on Socials at Going Medieval.

820
00:43:36.599 --> 00:43:38.400
<v Speaker 3>I'm gonna be so real with you if you find

821
00:43:38.440 --> 00:43:41.519
<v Speaker 3>me on Blue Sky right now, I'm just melting down

822
00:43:41.519 --> 00:43:46.079
<v Speaker 3>about UK politics on the regular. I guess that I

823
00:43:46.119 --> 00:43:47.719
<v Speaker 3>should talk about the fact that I do have an

824
00:43:47.760 --> 00:43:51.320
<v Speaker 3>Instagram which is called doctor eleanor Yanaga all over case

825
00:43:51.440 --> 00:43:54.159
<v Speaker 3>because someone else stole my name. I mean, if you

826
00:43:55.239 --> 00:43:57.280
<v Speaker 3>you know, I do put historical things on there, but

827
00:43:57.320 --> 00:43:58.760
<v Speaker 3>a lot of time it's like a picture of a

828
00:43:58.800 --> 00:43:59.559
<v Speaker 3>beer I'm drinking.

829
00:44:01.440 --> 00:44:04.840
<v Speaker 4>But that's another way to keep up with me. And

830
00:44:05.519 --> 00:44:08.400
<v Speaker 4>then I do. Yeah, I think that that's the major

831
00:44:08.440 --> 00:44:11.320
<v Speaker 4>thing that is going on. I think the major thing.

832
00:44:12.840 --> 00:44:16.119
<v Speaker 3>That you know, call to action is like, do you

833
00:44:16.280 --> 00:44:18.519
<v Speaker 3>guys have you listen to our Crusades thing yet? Go

834
00:44:18.679 --> 00:44:20.920
<v Speaker 3>fucking listen to our Crusades thing. That's the major thing.

835
00:44:21.119 --> 00:44:22.360
<v Speaker 1>That's what's up, you know.

836
00:44:23.400 --> 00:44:26.480
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, yeah, you know where if i'd me, Luca is

837
00:44:26.519 --> 00:44:28.199
<v Speaker 2>amazing on the socials and everything.

838
00:44:29.519 --> 00:44:30.159
<v Speaker 1>You can.

839
00:44:31.880 --> 00:44:33.559
<v Speaker 2>You know, you can check out my old show people

840
00:44:33.599 --> 00:44:35.519
<v Speaker 2>Say or Republic if you want to hear me talk

841
00:44:35.519 --> 00:44:38.840
<v Speaker 2>about Star Wars. But yeah, that's about it. That is

842
00:44:38.880 --> 00:44:40.960
<v Speaker 2>about it for me, and that's going to do it

843
00:44:41.079 --> 00:44:43.559
<v Speaker 2>for us today. So thank you for listening and we'll

844
00:44:43.599 --> 00:44:44.280
<v Speaker 2>see you next time.

845
00:44:44.960 --> 00:44:48.519
<v Speaker 4>Bye, Dimosaur.