1 00:00:03,319 --> 00:00:04,639 Speaker 1: Aging guys in the sky. 2 00:00:06,240 --> 00:00:07,679 Speaker 2: Open to my third eye. 3 00:00:09,119 --> 00:00:12,000 Speaker 3: Take a look. It's another book, the. 4 00:00:12,039 --> 00:00:13,160 Speaker 4: Accop book. 5 00:00:16,359 --> 00:00:23,399 Speaker 1: World Anywhere. It takes somewhere and knowledge to share the 6 00:00:23,519 --> 00:00:34,039 a coupria will say anything, contages the vote and secrets 7 00:00:34,079 --> 00:00:37,399 the tone the code book. 8 00:00:44,119 --> 00:00:51,000 Speaker 4: Welcome back to another episode of the Occult Book Club. 9 00:00:57,000 --> 00:01:01,240 Speaker 3: It was worth the way. 10 00:01:01,520 --> 00:01:02,359 Speaker 4: We're back. 11 00:01:03,079 --> 00:01:06,439 Speaker 2: We're giving the people what they wanted, and we're here. 12 00:01:07,319 --> 00:01:12,680 Thomas is queer and my camera's not working because because 13 00:01:12,719 --> 00:01:17,120 the Illuminati, I don't know, something is doing my camera. 14 00:01:18,159 --> 00:01:19,760 Speaker 4: I can turn it on. I'm just gonna lie. 15 00:01:19,920 --> 00:01:20,280 Speaker 3: There you go. 16 00:01:20,599 --> 00:01:21,640 Speaker 4: That's my camera right there. 17 00:01:22,159 --> 00:01:24,159 Speaker 3: I mean a little one is better than no. 18 00:01:24,159 --> 00:01:26,959 Speaker 2: One, you think so, I mean I might come back 19 00:01:27,000 --> 00:01:28,040 here and there, but who cares. 20 00:01:28,680 --> 00:01:31,239 Speaker 3: So it'll be like watching an old time movie. And 21 00:01:31,319 --> 00:01:34,359 let me just ask you to stop with the queer stuff. 22 00:01:34,359 --> 00:01:37,000 It was funny before, but I just heard that Donald 23 00:01:37,000 --> 00:01:40,680 Trump has made it a felony so to be queer 24 00:01:40,719 --> 00:01:42,840 in the United States now for the next four years. 25 00:01:42,879 --> 00:01:49,439 Speaker 2: My apology. Don't get that he offered me. Please my apologies. 26 00:01:49,480 --> 00:01:51,400 I did not need to offense or I'm sorry for 27 00:01:51,439 --> 00:01:52,239 anyone listening. 28 00:01:52,400 --> 00:01:54,200 Speaker 3: I'm not offended. I just don't. I don't want to 29 00:01:54,200 --> 00:01:57,120 be looked into under the authorities because it's. 30 00:01:56,959 --> 00:02:01,120 Speaker 2: Not gotcha, gotcha? All right, Well he is queer, and 31 00:02:01,159 --> 00:02:04,640 he is in fact not even here. So welcome back 32 00:02:04,680 --> 00:02:06,519 to the episode of the Code Book Club. It's been 33 00:02:06,879 --> 00:02:10,280 far too long. The last book that we covered was 34 00:02:11,159 --> 00:02:16,639 the infamous five and a half hour episode. 35 00:02:17,319 --> 00:02:21,719 Speaker 3: No, that was the last one. That was That's where 36 00:02:21,719 --> 00:02:22,319 we left it. 37 00:02:22,800 --> 00:02:26,479 Speaker 2: That's where we left it. A five and a half 38 00:02:27,280 --> 00:02:35,520 hour that almost costs us our relationships, It almost destroyed 39 00:02:35,520 --> 00:02:39,039 our families to start. 40 00:02:39,120 --> 00:02:42,719 Speaker 3: Fights in the occult world, and there was fallout. There 41 00:02:42,759 --> 00:02:45,680 was like legitimate fallout from that episode. 42 00:02:45,960 --> 00:02:50,080 Speaker 4: Oh my god, dude, though was so crazy. That's still 43 00:02:50,080 --> 00:02:52,400 not even like out publicly on my episode. It's not 44 00:02:52,439 --> 00:02:54,879 one of the It's not my proudest fat if I 45 00:02:54,919 --> 00:02:57,080 had to say. So, if you want to check that. 46 00:02:57,199 --> 00:03:00,719 Speaker 3: I released I Believe in Truth with two capital, you. 47 00:03:00,719 --> 00:03:03,800 Speaker 4: Blasted it off everywhere. You were just blasting it. 48 00:03:03,719 --> 00:03:07,400 Speaker 2: Off all over the place, just all over the walls 49 00:03:07,400 --> 00:03:10,199 and everything. So if you want to check that out, 50 00:03:10,439 --> 00:03:13,039 you can find it somewhere. I'm not gonna tell you where, 51 00:03:13,159 --> 00:03:16,879 but you can find it. So today we're gathered here 52 00:03:16,879 --> 00:03:19,759 today to talk about a banger, a banger of a 53 00:03:19,800 --> 00:03:24,319 book that I've read already twice now, and I'm gonna 54 00:03:24,319 --> 00:03:26,360 be honest, it didn't really slap that hard the second 55 00:03:26,400 --> 00:03:31,039 time around. So we're gonna be talking about some homunculous 56 00:03:31,120 --> 00:03:34,400 goodness today. We're gonna show you today, we're gonna expose 57 00:03:34,520 --> 00:03:39,520 the seat, the true recipe and the true method of 58 00:03:39,639 --> 00:03:43,479 creating a real homunculous that any one of you right 59 00:03:43,520 --> 00:03:48,000 now listening could do yourself. I even thought about doing 60 00:03:48,000 --> 00:03:51,400 it myself. I might even do it live to try 61 00:03:52,280 --> 00:03:56,199 and prove this theory. This method, I guess it only 62 00:03:56,240 --> 00:03:58,719 takes nine months, two hundred and seventy five days. 63 00:03:58,719 --> 00:03:59,360 Speaker 4: So it's not that one. 64 00:03:59,400 --> 00:04:02,560 Speaker 3: You also have to be peer of heart, but you have. 65 00:04:02,520 --> 00:04:03,599 Speaker 4: To be peer of heart. 66 00:04:03,919 --> 00:04:08,280 Speaker 2: So we're gonna be talking today about this particular work 67 00:04:08,360 --> 00:04:12,840 that I had discovered through Mark Stavish's his work, Mark 68 00:04:12,919 --> 00:04:19,759 Stavish here the Magical World of the Doctor of Joseph Lakshuvski. 69 00:04:19,959 --> 00:04:23,759 Speaker 3: Is that he said, want to say Lazhevsky. I believe 70 00:04:23,759 --> 00:04:25,680 it's Lazevsky. It's a Polish last. 71 00:04:25,519 --> 00:04:31,839 Speaker 2: Name, Lzhevsky, Lazhevsky I'm gonna say Lazuski probably at one 72 00:04:31,839 --> 00:04:34,240 point in time. That's how I just learned to read it, right. 73 00:04:34,800 --> 00:04:37,600 So I heard through this through Mark Stabish. I did 74 00:04:37,600 --> 00:04:41,639 reach out to Mark Stavish to come on the show 75 00:04:42,439 --> 00:04:44,680 the One podcast, but he never wrote back to me. 76 00:04:45,360 --> 00:04:47,600 I guess I'm not cool enough for him. Who cares? 77 00:04:47,680 --> 00:04:50,360 Speaker 3: If I would have wrote him, he probably would have responded. 78 00:04:49,920 --> 00:04:52,319 Speaker 4: Probably who cares, maybe came on or not. 79 00:04:52,319 --> 00:04:54,199 Speaker 2: Anyways, I wanted to talk to him about this particular 80 00:04:54,279 --> 00:04:58,639 character because I had learned about him through Phoenix Aurelius, 81 00:04:58,680 --> 00:05:01,759 which I had on the show while who is a 82 00:05:01,839 --> 00:05:04,000 real life alchemist. And he's like, well, if you want 83 00:05:04,000 --> 00:05:06,639 to learn about the Homokius, you should look into Lashusky 84 00:05:06,800 --> 00:05:10,519 Laszewski's work, because he created one during his time at 85 00:05:10,519 --> 00:05:16,040 the Paracelsus or Para Alchemy Society over in Utah at 86 00:05:16,040 --> 00:05:17,279 one point, which we're gonna get. 87 00:05:17,199 --> 00:05:18,040 Speaker 4: Into and all that stuff. 88 00:05:18,079 --> 00:05:22,279 Speaker 2: But today's book is called Israel Regardi in the Philosopher's Stone, 89 00:05:22,319 --> 00:05:28,560 the Alchemical Arts Brought down to Earth by Joseph C. Lashovski, PhD. 90 00:05:28,959 --> 00:05:32,160 Or Lashusky. You can say however you want. I've heard 91 00:05:32,160 --> 00:05:34,240 Mark Stavish say it a few times. He says that 92 00:05:34,720 --> 00:05:37,759 sometimes he put a V in there, sometimes he didn't. 93 00:05:38,399 --> 00:05:42,079 Doesn't really matter who cares. So we're gonna be talking 94 00:05:42,120 --> 00:05:44,839 about that. So we're gonna cover. Let me pull your 95 00:05:44,839 --> 00:05:45,319 screen up. 96 00:05:45,279 --> 00:05:49,120 Speaker 3: Bro, Yeah, I found I've found a good little background 97 00:05:49,160 --> 00:05:52,240 on Laszewski that so there was. This was actually run 98 00:05:52,279 --> 00:05:56,120 by Mark Stavish. It was a Kickstarter The Magical World 99 00:05:56,160 --> 00:05:59,800 of Doctor Lazhevski. So this book was raised a whole 100 00:05:59,800 --> 00:06:03,480 bunch of money. But it also has this whole background 101 00:06:03,639 --> 00:06:06,920 on la Chevsky. So on the skickstarter page by Mark Stavish, 102 00:06:06,959 --> 00:06:07,920 I say he wrote this. 103 00:06:08,480 --> 00:06:12,120 Speaker 2: Before you get into that, I want to the one 104 00:06:12,240 --> 00:06:17,040 main thing that Joseph is known for, like his his 105 00:06:17,240 --> 00:06:24,959 magnum opus, was allegedly manifesting a demon to physical like 106 00:06:25,000 --> 00:06:26,759 to the physical. He said that he did that on 107 00:06:26,879 --> 00:06:32,480 multiple occasions, which is very interesting because again I consider 108 00:06:32,560 --> 00:06:36,439 the occult and the Yesoterica conspiracy, because it's like, hey, 109 00:06:36,560 --> 00:06:37,519 our demons real? 110 00:06:37,639 --> 00:06:40,920 Speaker 4: Are angels real? Can you control them? Can you let 111 00:06:40,920 --> 00:06:41,879 them touch your ball sack? 112 00:06:42,000 --> 00:06:42,079 Speaker 3: Like? 113 00:06:42,199 --> 00:06:46,360 Speaker 4: What can you make them do? That is real? 114 00:06:46,720 --> 00:06:47,000 Speaker 3: Right? 115 00:06:47,800 --> 00:06:51,279 Speaker 2: And again this is what this guy was truly known for. 116 00:06:51,360 --> 00:06:55,120 Speaker 3: So go ahead well, we've got images of the types 117 00:06:55,160 --> 00:07:00,720 of creatures that Lazhevski was able to manifest. So technically, yeah, 118 00:07:00,800 --> 00:07:02,399 you could make it touch your balls, but I don't 119 00:07:02,439 --> 00:07:04,759 know if it can do anything cool with the balls 120 00:07:04,800 --> 00:07:06,600 once it's touching them. Yeah, you know what I mean. 121 00:07:06,680 --> 00:07:08,879 And so we'll show I guess I don't know how 122 00:07:08,959 --> 00:07:11,399 much we want to like tease that, but let's let's 123 00:07:11,399 --> 00:07:13,720 describe who Laszewski is first, and then maybe we can 124 00:07:13,720 --> 00:07:17,839 get right into the water works. Yes, so it's okay. 125 00:07:17,959 --> 00:07:21,680 Few figures in modern occultism have garnered the admiration and 126 00:07:21,800 --> 00:07:27,560 vitriol as doctor Joseph Lazhevski. After a terrifying evocation at 127 00:07:27,600 --> 00:07:30,920 the age of seventeen, he found himself involved with two 128 00:07:31,000 --> 00:07:35,399 of the greatest occultists in the twentieth century, Israel Regardi 129 00:07:35,480 --> 00:07:38,720 and Freder Albertus. And I want to say too that 130 00:07:39,839 --> 00:07:44,920 I believe that Israel Regardi kind of becomes Theshevsky's main 131 00:07:45,079 --> 00:07:48,639 mentor in this particular book. He's able to study with 132 00:07:49,000 --> 00:07:52,680 Freder Albertus. But it seems like this this guy's more 133 00:07:52,720 --> 00:07:56,199 of like a disconnected sort of Hogwarts teacher. He's not 134 00:07:56,279 --> 00:07:59,120 hilling with him every day, but Israel Regardi is sort 135 00:07:59,120 --> 00:08:01,519 of his like every day mentor at least much closer. 136 00:08:01,560 --> 00:08:04,759 And Israel Regardi was able to work with not just 137 00:08:04,879 --> 00:08:08,199 Freighter Albertas but also Alistair Crowley. Do I have all 138 00:08:08,199 --> 00:08:09,560 that right? You're the expert on this. 139 00:08:10,040 --> 00:08:12,040 Speaker 2: Yeah, so I haven't, and I'll be honest, I have 140 00:08:12,160 --> 00:08:15,040 never really looked into a GUARDI. I do have some 141 00:08:15,160 --> 00:08:19,120 of his books, but he's mostly known for allegedly like 142 00:08:19,240 --> 00:08:21,879 exposing the Oto at one point. 143 00:08:22,120 --> 00:08:24,079 Speaker 4: And yeah, his work with Crowley. 144 00:08:24,160 --> 00:08:26,120 Speaker 2: He was very involved with him, which we can get 145 00:08:26,120 --> 00:08:29,480 into some of his biography here. But of course he's 146 00:08:29,639 --> 00:08:35,799 uh he was. He was Jewish, So take that. 147 00:08:35,960 --> 00:08:37,039 Speaker 3: Why does that get a chuckle? 148 00:08:37,519 --> 00:08:40,399 Speaker 4: I mean just I'm just saying, bro So. 149 00:08:40,840 --> 00:08:46,919 Speaker 3: The book about from Doctor Joseph Schewsky, he kind of 150 00:08:47,000 --> 00:08:50,279 operates as a similar figure, but he doesn't know Alistair 151 00:08:50,279 --> 00:08:53,039 Croley obviously he's too far removed. But that, just like 152 00:08:53,159 --> 00:08:57,879 Israel Regardi, was this bridge between old world real hermetic 153 00:08:57,960 --> 00:09:02,279 dawn Philamic magic and to modern day and then doctor 154 00:09:02,399 --> 00:09:06,399 Joseph Lezewski kind of continues that tradition, at least until 155 00:09:06,399 --> 00:09:09,200 twenty sixteen when he died. So here so more on 156 00:09:09,360 --> 00:09:13,000 the bio, It says that born in the rugged coal 157 00:09:13,039 --> 00:09:17,440 mining region of central Pennsylvania, Leshevsky came of an age 158 00:09:17,440 --> 00:09:20,519 in an era when the grip of religious orthodoxity was waning, 159 00:09:20,919 --> 00:09:24,360 but the magical world of counterculture movement was not yet 160 00:09:24,399 --> 00:09:27,799 fully born. So he was born in nineteen forty seven 161 00:09:28,200 --> 00:09:31,440 and died in twenty sixteen, like almost ten years ago. 162 00:09:31,840 --> 00:09:34,480 So that's him in the bridge. But he also was 163 00:09:34,519 --> 00:09:37,919 sort of this counterculture guy, so all the alchemy that 164 00:09:38,000 --> 00:09:41,000 we read about him doing and throughout this book, this 165 00:09:41,080 --> 00:09:44,879 is sort of on the tail end of like sixties seventies. 166 00:09:45,039 --> 00:09:47,679 I think some of it approaches into like the nineteen eighties, 167 00:09:47,799 --> 00:09:50,399 which is kind of a unique time period because usually 168 00:09:50,440 --> 00:09:53,639 when you read about alchemists, even if it's like a 169 00:09:53,679 --> 00:09:57,440 modern alchemist, you're still talking about World War two or earlier. 170 00:09:57,440 --> 00:10:00,840 It's usually like lay eighteen hundreds, early nine, eighteen hundreds. 171 00:10:01,080 --> 00:10:03,120 But now we're talking about the seventies and the eighties, 172 00:10:03,200 --> 00:10:06,480 and he's making his best work for the seventies and eighties. 173 00:10:06,759 --> 00:10:08,720 Speaker 2: That's why I found it so interesting, because a lot 174 00:10:08,759 --> 00:10:11,279 of people go, well, you know, can you prove the 175 00:10:11,320 --> 00:10:13,919 homunculus or can you can you prove all this other stuff. 176 00:10:13,960 --> 00:10:16,399 It's like, no, but I can talk to you about 177 00:10:16,480 --> 00:10:19,519 dude who allegedly did the work. 178 00:10:19,360 --> 00:10:21,399 Speaker 4: Right and they all found their way. 179 00:10:21,600 --> 00:10:25,200 Speaker 2: And Lushuski, which I've been meaning to do an episode 180 00:10:25,240 --> 00:10:29,960 on which this is it. I guess the he was 181 00:10:30,039 --> 00:10:32,919 the guy that allegedly did this in modern Town. And 182 00:10:32,960 --> 00:10:35,360 I'm sure there are other people too if you want 183 00:10:35,399 --> 00:10:38,480 to count, like Parsons and all these other guys, which 184 00:10:38,519 --> 00:10:39,919 he was born at the tail. 185 00:10:39,759 --> 00:10:42,759 Speaker 4: End of that. He was born right when he was 186 00:10:42,799 --> 00:10:45,080 born the year Croley died, and. 187 00:10:45,759 --> 00:10:48,720 Speaker 2: Obviously didn't get to meet him. But as we'll see, 188 00:10:49,399 --> 00:10:54,399 there was his interactions with Israel regard, who was involved 189 00:10:54,159 --> 00:10:56,960 with Crowley for a while. 190 00:10:57,000 --> 00:10:59,799 Speaker 4: From what I picked up on. 191 00:11:00,120 --> 00:11:03,799 Speaker 2: It seemed like it made it seem like Croley touched 192 00:11:03,840 --> 00:11:07,039 him inappropriately, Like their last interaction that he talks about 193 00:11:07,159 --> 00:11:10,200 was like he hurt me beyond belief and I couldn't 194 00:11:10,519 --> 00:11:13,120 I couldn't forgive him for that. And that's why I 195 00:11:13,120 --> 00:11:15,080 published the book on the Philosopher's Stone. 196 00:11:15,840 --> 00:11:17,240 Speaker 4: And yeah, we'll get to it. 197 00:11:17,320 --> 00:11:20,080 Speaker 2: But yeah, so there's not a lot about this Lashuski 198 00:11:20,120 --> 00:11:22,519 guy other than a bunch of his books. But as 199 00:11:22,519 --> 00:11:25,960 far as a good biography, if you want to check 200 00:11:26,000 --> 00:11:29,600 out that particular book, The Magical World. It breaks down 201 00:11:29,639 --> 00:11:31,480 his life. And then from that book is that I 202 00:11:31,559 --> 00:11:34,399 found this book that we're covering today, which gets a 203 00:11:34,440 --> 00:11:35,279 lot more in depth. 204 00:11:39,080 --> 00:11:40,840 Speaker 3: Dude, I'm sorry, hold on, someone's trying to call me 205 00:11:40,919 --> 00:11:43,200 on Instagram and I can't figure out how the fuck 206 00:11:43,279 --> 00:11:46,159 to just say stop calling. It's just been ringing the 207 00:11:46,200 --> 00:11:49,600 whole time you've been talking. And Nate was like, sorry, 208 00:11:49,639 --> 00:11:51,279 I didn't mean to call you, but like he hasn't 209 00:11:51,320 --> 00:11:54,600 hung up, so I gotta shut all my browsers down 210 00:11:54,759 --> 00:11:55,159 right back. 211 00:11:55,519 --> 00:11:57,960 Speaker 2: No, you're good, dude. Anyways, Yeah, we're gonna be covering 212 00:11:58,000 --> 00:12:01,879 this today. We're gonna be covering the true art of 213 00:12:01,879 --> 00:12:07,840 how to create a real homunculus, which it seems pretty straightforward. 214 00:12:08,120 --> 00:12:08,879 Speaker 3: There is. 215 00:12:10,519 --> 00:12:13,039 Speaker 2: Some steps you have to follow as far as pH 216 00:12:13,159 --> 00:12:15,960 level and all this other stuff. But it's allegedly based 217 00:12:16,000 --> 00:12:20,120 on the Golden Chain of Homer, which is an ancient 218 00:12:20,159 --> 00:12:26,559 text that a Golden Chain of Homer. Let me see 219 00:12:26,559 --> 00:12:30,440 when that was published, That was published in seventeen twenty three. 220 00:12:30,759 --> 00:12:36,679 Wouldn't call it ancient but older, and you could allegedly 221 00:12:36,960 --> 00:12:42,039 create these crustaceans in the water and this substance called 222 00:12:42,080 --> 00:12:47,320 the gerr, this primordial substance that you then use to 223 00:12:47,519 --> 00:12:48,799 create the homunculus. 224 00:12:49,080 --> 00:12:53,120 Speaker 4: I don't know. I mean you good now, bro? Did 225 00:12:53,120 --> 00:12:55,000 they stop calling you? 226 00:12:55,039 --> 00:12:57,080 Speaker 3: No? But I found out a way to just mute 227 00:12:57,120 --> 00:13:01,080 that particular window. But they did not stop calling there. 228 00:13:01,240 --> 00:13:03,720 It's still ringing right now, all right. 229 00:13:03,720 --> 00:13:05,200 Speaker 2: So I was just explaining a little bit about the 230 00:13:05,200 --> 00:13:07,960 golden chain of Homer and the little crustaceans that you're 231 00:13:08,000 --> 00:13:10,080 able to create through the Oh, I. 232 00:13:10,080 --> 00:13:11,679 Speaker 3: Mean, let's just show a picture of it right now, 233 00:13:11,720 --> 00:13:15,240 then let's just get this over. We're broca. Because the 234 00:13:15,279 --> 00:13:18,480 whole time there they kind of talk about this water 235 00:13:18,559 --> 00:13:22,279 work being the lead up to creating an actual homunculus, 236 00:13:22,399 --> 00:13:26,399 that it all starts with collecting your rainwater and uh, 237 00:13:26,519 --> 00:13:28,879 pro electrify over the course of yeah, they have, you 238 00:13:28,960 --> 00:13:32,000 have to electrify the rainwater. But at a certain point 239 00:13:32,080 --> 00:13:35,039 you're going to have this little crustacean sort of entity. 240 00:13:35,679 --> 00:13:37,720 And this is the proof. This is the one that 241 00:13:38,200 --> 00:13:41,639 he keeps bigging up the entire time. And uh, I 242 00:13:41,639 --> 00:13:43,639 don't I don't know what I'm seeing right now. It 243 00:13:43,679 --> 00:13:45,960 almost looks like a scab that you would pick off 244 00:13:46,000 --> 00:13:48,480 of like your leg or something, and then it got 245 00:13:48,480 --> 00:13:50,559 a little bit wet, like I don't see any real 246 00:13:50,720 --> 00:13:53,960 bone structure or anything. Although I don't want to just 247 00:13:54,039 --> 00:13:57,440 start being overly critical, because this is still better than 248 00:13:57,480 --> 00:14:01,080 any homunculous that I've tried to make so far. So 249 00:14:01,440 --> 00:14:04,720 I don't know how much I'm allowed to criticize this 250 00:14:04,759 --> 00:14:06,440 particular type of homunculus. 251 00:14:06,480 --> 00:14:07,279 Speaker 4: How dare you say? 252 00:14:07,320 --> 00:14:10,039 Speaker 2: Are you are you insinuated that the homunculus is not real? 253 00:14:11,039 --> 00:14:11,879 Is that where you're getting it? 254 00:14:12,840 --> 00:14:15,919 Speaker 3: I just I have a higher bar for what I 255 00:14:15,919 --> 00:14:19,440 would accept as a homunculus, and this seems more like 256 00:14:19,879 --> 00:14:21,440 homunculous discharge. 257 00:14:22,240 --> 00:14:26,679 Speaker 2: Yes, So, uh, did you finish on Lashuski his biography 258 00:14:26,720 --> 00:14:27,720 before we dive into this. 259 00:14:29,399 --> 00:14:31,480 Speaker 3: I mean, he was a wacky guy and he was 260 00:14:31,480 --> 00:14:33,399 into modern day alchemy. I don't know how much you 261 00:14:33,440 --> 00:14:35,320 want more you want to get into. I think that 262 00:14:35,480 --> 00:14:38,679 his statements from the book that we read, uh sort 263 00:14:38,720 --> 00:14:41,399 of describe him as a person, and it looks like 264 00:14:41,440 --> 00:14:46,480 he gets a lot of his influence from again Israel, 265 00:14:46,519 --> 00:14:50,120 Regardi and Freighter. But also he he kind of likes 266 00:14:50,159 --> 00:14:53,960 the hot goss, like he likes to give you some 267 00:14:54,159 --> 00:14:56,720 insight on the drama that was kind of going on 268 00:14:56,879 --> 00:15:01,360 behind the scenes between these alchemists and like the disagreements 269 00:15:01,360 --> 00:15:04,960 they were having and what the disagreements were over. For example, 270 00:15:05,559 --> 00:15:08,600 you mentioned that some of this work takes place in 271 00:15:09,000 --> 00:15:13,279 like a lab, like a par Para Celsian lab in 272 00:15:13,320 --> 00:15:16,639 the seventies. I think it got defunked in the eighties, 273 00:15:17,159 --> 00:15:19,399 and then it moved or released the premise of it 274 00:15:19,480 --> 00:15:23,240 moved overseas to Australia in the nineties, and then it 275 00:15:23,600 --> 00:15:27,039 just sort of faded back out maybe less than ten 276 00:15:27,120 --> 00:15:31,559 years ago, probably around the same time that doctor, you know, 277 00:15:31,679 --> 00:15:34,720 Joseph died. That was I think the tail end of 278 00:15:34,759 --> 00:15:38,399 this laboratory. But in this lab was one of the 279 00:15:38,440 --> 00:15:41,840 many different points of contention. So it got built I 280 00:15:41,840 --> 00:15:44,720 believe in Salt Lake City, Utah, not just anywhere in Utah, 281 00:15:44,759 --> 00:15:47,840 but like the heartland of Mormonism, and I feel like 282 00:15:47,840 --> 00:15:49,879 there's a link here to that. But I won't go 283 00:15:49,960 --> 00:15:52,559 on too many tangents, but that in Salt Lake City, 284 00:15:52,600 --> 00:15:56,200 but that it was founded in Salt Lake City by 285 00:15:57,279 --> 00:16:00,840 Israel Regardi because Israel Regardi thought that it looked close 286 00:16:00,879 --> 00:16:03,879 to Dresden, which was the last place in Germany he 287 00:16:04,039 --> 00:16:06,799 was at before he fled to the United States, and 288 00:16:06,840 --> 00:16:09,639 that when he saw Salt Lake City, it reminded him 289 00:16:09,639 --> 00:16:12,360 so much of the last time he had seen these 290 00:16:12,440 --> 00:16:15,960 like snow capped mountain peaks and that just particular type 291 00:16:16,000 --> 00:16:18,679 of skyline that he was convinced that that's where he 292 00:16:18,759 --> 00:16:21,320 was going to put this lab up. And him moving 293 00:16:21,799 --> 00:16:24,000 that lab and doing his work in Salt Lake City 294 00:16:24,440 --> 00:16:27,200 kind of became a huge point of contention between him 295 00:16:27,240 --> 00:16:33,360 and Albertas Freighter Albertas and with Lashevsky, and that I 296 00:16:33,399 --> 00:16:37,799 guess over time Lazevsky notices that there's research coming out 297 00:16:37,840 --> 00:16:40,120 of this weird lab that he had heard about in 298 00:16:40,159 --> 00:16:44,799 Salt Lake City. So it seems incredibly important the location 299 00:16:45,320 --> 00:16:48,320 in which this alchemical school was like an alchemical lab, 300 00:16:48,679 --> 00:16:51,679 and also the fact that it created like a divide, 301 00:16:52,279 --> 00:16:57,200 because Lashevsky in this book mentions something that I thought 302 00:16:57,279 --> 00:17:00,600 was really interesting, and that was the West Coast, specifically 303 00:17:00,679 --> 00:17:04,599 California was attracting all these alchemists. Like if you wanted 304 00:17:04,640 --> 00:17:06,759 to be in Golden Dawn or if you wanted to 305 00:17:06,839 --> 00:17:10,279 learn alchemy in any capacity, it was pretty much California 306 00:17:10,400 --> 00:17:13,720 was the place to go, and by this new alchemical 307 00:17:13,799 --> 00:17:16,279 lab being set up in Salt Lake City, it kind 308 00:17:16,279 --> 00:17:19,640 of bucked that entire trend. And it also implies that 309 00:17:19,720 --> 00:17:23,079 it kind of damned part of the possible outcome because 310 00:17:23,359 --> 00:17:25,720 they were no longer able to fish from like this 311 00:17:25,839 --> 00:17:28,640 huge pool where everyone was going to. You had to 312 00:17:28,680 --> 00:17:31,960 like entice someone to leave California and come to Salt 313 00:17:32,039 --> 00:17:34,720 Lake City, which almost implied you had to be so 314 00:17:34,960 --> 00:17:37,599 beyond serious about it. You couldn't have been there for 315 00:17:37,799 --> 00:17:40,000 like the girls or the sun or the beach. Right, Like, 316 00:17:40,039 --> 00:17:41,480 if you're like, all right, now I'll go to Salt 317 00:17:41,559 --> 00:17:44,559 Lake City, you're giving up all of those like worldly 318 00:17:45,680 --> 00:17:47,839 sort of possessions in a way, right, and you're going 319 00:17:47,920 --> 00:17:51,119 to dedicate your life directly to this like alchemical work. 320 00:17:51,720 --> 00:17:53,160 Speaker 4: Yeah, the true alchemist way. 321 00:17:53,160 --> 00:17:56,960 Speaker 2: And you're definitely not getting bitches through alchemy unless you 322 00:17:57,039 --> 00:17:59,519 go to like a yoga studio and you can. 323 00:18:01,160 --> 00:18:01,240 Speaker 3: So. 324 00:18:01,440 --> 00:18:07,440 Speaker 2: Freder ALBERTA. Spijerics Albert Richard Riddell born May fifth, a 325 00:18:07,519 --> 00:18:11,160 founder of the Paracelsus Research Society in Salt Lake City, 326 00:18:11,200 --> 00:18:16,119 which later evolved into Paracelsus College, based on the Paracelsian 327 00:18:16,240 --> 00:18:19,640 concept of three essentials, body, soul, and spirit. Freder Albertas 328 00:18:19,640 --> 00:18:23,000 developed a system of teaching al chemical concepts using the 329 00:18:23,039 --> 00:18:29,599 Spagiic teaching of separation and cohibition. The unique graduated courses 330 00:18:29,680 --> 00:18:32,960 allowed students to explore aspects of the vegetable, mineral, and 331 00:18:33,039 --> 00:18:36,920 animal kingdoms in an understandable and accessible way. After his 332 00:18:37,000 --> 00:18:39,920 death in nineteen eighty four, the college ceased operations in 333 00:18:40,440 --> 00:18:42,640 the United States, but to continue to carry on the 334 00:18:42,640 --> 00:18:46,640 tradition in Australia. Freder Albertas had a profound effect on 335 00:18:46,680 --> 00:18:51,960 the way alchemy, and particularly the Spajeric method was disseminated, 336 00:18:52,079 --> 00:18:55,240 understood and understood in the mid to late twentieth century. 337 00:18:55,559 --> 00:18:58,240 His works were translated into many languages. He was a 338 00:18:58,359 --> 00:19:03,440 Rosicrucian of the a m RC and he's got a 339 00:19:03,480 --> 00:19:08,400 ton of written works that he did and also Paracelsis College, Australia. 340 00:19:10,279 --> 00:19:14,359 So he died in ninety So this is what's interesting, 341 00:19:14,440 --> 00:19:16,480 right because after his death in nineteen eighty four, but 342 00:19:16,519 --> 00:19:19,680 then if you go and look on the alchemywebsite dot com. 343 00:19:20,079 --> 00:19:23,400 In nineteen eighty four, Freder Albertas came to Australia to 344 00:19:23,440 --> 00:19:27,519 teach for the last time. He appointed Gregory Sneddon as 345 00:19:27,559 --> 00:19:30,960 the administrator of Paracelsice College, Australia. After the death of 346 00:19:30,960 --> 00:19:34,759 freder Alberta, College undertook to continue the oral teachings with 347 00:19:34,839 --> 00:19:39,400 Greg and the valuable input of doctor Warner Norocki from Germany. 348 00:19:39,720 --> 00:19:42,240 During this time of transition, Greg began training a few 349 00:19:42,279 --> 00:19:45,680 students to teach the college curriculum. In March nineteen ninety, 350 00:19:45,799 --> 00:19:48,640 Greg made a decision to withdraw and pursue his own work. 351 00:19:48,880 --> 00:19:52,200 He duly appointed Janey Radcliffe as the next administrator. The 352 00:19:52,240 --> 00:19:54,799 work has continued to this day and this is from 353 00:19:54,839 --> 00:19:57,119 I don't know when this was posted, but a while 354 00:19:57,160 --> 00:20:01,559 back during this time. The work I can do to 355 00:20:01,559 --> 00:20:03,759 this day. At the present time, the college is run 356 00:20:03,799 --> 00:20:07,480 by two remaining teachers, Jeanie Radcliffe and Rick. 357 00:20:08,799 --> 00:20:09,440 Speaker 4: Dannenberg. 358 00:20:10,599 --> 00:20:15,079 Speaker 2: PCA is a nonprofit educational system dedicated to furtherance of 359 00:20:15,200 --> 00:20:18,160 the conscious evolution of the individual within the context of 360 00:20:18,200 --> 00:20:22,240 their physical existence. As it is to this and alchemy 361 00:20:22,559 --> 00:20:25,240 provides a way that allows us to observe and participate 362 00:20:25,279 --> 00:20:28,359 in the process of evolution as we work by understanding 363 00:20:28,400 --> 00:20:35,039 philosophical philosophically what is observed consciously through repetitive, practical, practical work. 364 00:20:35,079 --> 00:20:39,799 The alchemical process is embedded into the psyche to awaken 365 00:20:39,880 --> 00:20:43,839 the sleeping beauty within. That which is understood internally becomes 366 00:20:43,880 --> 00:20:46,599 that which is observed externally. The two can become one, 367 00:20:46,839 --> 00:20:51,200 yet still the vessel remains. The college system consists of 368 00:20:51,200 --> 00:20:54,599 three levels laboratory theory and practice to gain insight into 369 00:20:54,680 --> 00:20:58,039 universal processes QBL two. 370 00:20:58,039 --> 00:20:59,720 Speaker 4: I don't know what that is, qbos at kabala. 371 00:21:00,000 --> 00:21:04,799 Speaker 2: I think it's kabala to understand analogical relationships, cycles and astrologies, 372 00:21:04,839 --> 00:21:09,400 to incorporate the principles of time and psychology, sacred geometry, 373 00:21:09,480 --> 00:21:12,039 to demonstrate the principles of space and the process of 374 00:21:12,160 --> 00:21:13,200 resident creation. 375 00:21:13,519 --> 00:21:15,559 Speaker 4: And that's they got an email. 376 00:21:15,640 --> 00:21:21,240 Speaker 3: I mean, right, but this one, according to the other 377 00:21:21,480 --> 00:21:26,160 articles about this particular college in Australia, this one also 378 00:21:26,200 --> 00:21:29,279 went under in like twenty sixteen or something like recently 379 00:21:29,839 --> 00:21:32,759 they kind of ceased operations. So I don't know what 380 00:21:33,200 --> 00:21:37,200 the modern day version of a true alchemical lab would be. 381 00:21:37,440 --> 00:21:40,279 And when we say alchemical lab, they have like here's 382 00:21:40,279 --> 00:21:42,480 an example. These images look like it's maybe from like 383 00:21:42,640 --> 00:21:47,640 the late eighteen hundreds, but they were talking about like 384 00:21:47,759 --> 00:21:51,039 right here, in nineteen fifty nine is where Fredo Albertaz 385 00:21:51,160 --> 00:21:54,599 comes up with the Paracelsus Research Society, and this is 386 00:21:54,640 --> 00:21:57,680 where he's teaching alchemy. And I want to say in 387 00:21:57,680 --> 00:22:00,559 the forward, I want to say Mark Stavish sort of 388 00:22:00,599 --> 00:22:04,400 makes a nod to Hogwarts here. He mentions it's like 389 00:22:04,440 --> 00:22:07,440 a blend of Harry Potter and something else. And that's 390 00:22:07,519 --> 00:22:09,359 kind of what I couldn't shake is that if you 391 00:22:09,440 --> 00:22:14,240 go to this Paracelsus Research Society to learn alchemy from 392 00:22:14,799 --> 00:22:17,960 Freighter Albertus, it's kind of the closest thing that you're 393 00:22:18,000 --> 00:22:21,039 gonna get to go into a real life Hogwarts. And 394 00:22:21,079 --> 00:22:23,440 that if you do magic in your dorm room, the 395 00:22:23,519 --> 00:22:25,559 teachers will know about it and they'll get mad at 396 00:22:25,599 --> 00:22:27,240 you and like make a big scene in front of 397 00:22:27,240 --> 00:22:31,039 the rest of the class, and that for like science 398 00:22:31,079 --> 00:22:34,079 Fair day, you actually got to show off whether you've 399 00:22:34,119 --> 00:22:37,319 made a monkeylus or do all sorts of like very 400 00:22:37,480 --> 00:22:41,839 like we're not talking about just philosophical Oh I'm a 401 00:22:41,880 --> 00:22:46,240 better person, right, I'm discovering inner gold. They were literally like, okay, 402 00:22:46,279 --> 00:22:49,119 bring out your beakers, now, heat up your Bunsen burners, 403 00:22:49,480 --> 00:22:51,680 and show us how you've been able to make this 404 00:22:51,880 --> 00:22:54,680 lesser work of herbs. And now that I can like 405 00:22:55,079 --> 00:22:58,160 pour you know, mercury or alcohol on this little rock, 406 00:22:58,240 --> 00:23:01,200 and the rock will h fell some kind of like 407 00:23:01,480 --> 00:23:05,119 very potent chemical that was derived from the plant. I 408 00:23:05,119 --> 00:23:07,799 don't I don't fully get, like I understand the whole 409 00:23:07,880 --> 00:23:10,319 lesser work thing. But the point being is that this 410 00:23:10,400 --> 00:23:14,400 Paracelsus research Society was not just bookworms. These were like, 411 00:23:14,559 --> 00:23:17,279 you know, chemistry nerds that were actually like going all 412 00:23:17,319 --> 00:23:19,119 out and making real things in the lab. 413 00:23:19,799 --> 00:23:22,920 Speaker 2: So when you're talking about Harry Potter, he's actually referring 414 00:23:22,960 --> 00:23:26,039 to I found the part here. Doctor Frederick Santy of 415 00:23:26,240 --> 00:23:30,000 Wop Wop wallin penn Pennsylvania is one that comes to 416 00:23:30,039 --> 00:23:32,559 mind a child genius. He was a cross between Dougie 417 00:23:32,720 --> 00:23:35,680 Heiser or Hauser and Harry Potter. 418 00:23:36,480 --> 00:23:38,400 Speaker 4: That was him, And apparently he was a. 419 00:23:38,319 --> 00:23:44,599 Speaker 2: Medical doctor ocultis and practicing warlock in rural Pennsylvania. He 420 00:23:44,759 --> 00:23:47,720 was the found founder and leader of the Coven of 421 00:23:47,759 --> 00:23:53,319 the Katah, a coven that practices guardeniic wicca, which I've 422 00:23:53,480 --> 00:23:56,839 never heard about that, but apparently it's a I. 423 00:23:56,799 --> 00:23:59,440 Speaker 3: Mean, he's just he's just a Harry Potter meets Dougie 424 00:23:59,440 --> 00:24:01,319 Hauser and you should be ashamed. You don't know who 425 00:24:01,319 --> 00:24:04,599 Dougie Hawser is. But that's a different generation. But that, 426 00:24:04,799 --> 00:24:07,759 uh Duey Hauser was a TV show. 427 00:24:08,640 --> 00:24:09,240 Speaker 4: I ever saw it. 428 00:24:10,279 --> 00:24:13,880 Speaker 3: A kid that's like fourteen Neil Patrick Harris Art. Yeah, 429 00:24:13,880 --> 00:24:16,319 it's about Neil Patrick Harris and he's super smart and 430 00:24:16,359 --> 00:24:19,680 he becomes like a surgeon at fourteen or something crazy 431 00:24:19,720 --> 00:24:22,279 like that. Sixteen, but he's so smart that he gets 432 00:24:22,279 --> 00:24:25,200 through all of his education. So it's actually a good 433 00:24:25,640 --> 00:24:29,200 reference to say, like the Harry Potter meets Dougie Hawser, 434 00:24:29,279 --> 00:24:34,000 because Harry Potter wasn't even necessarily Doogie Howser level. He 435 00:24:34,119 --> 00:24:37,039 just happened to have some kind of bloodline that made 436 00:24:37,119 --> 00:24:41,880 him pre disposed to being like a better wizard I guess, 437 00:24:41,960 --> 00:24:44,039 or a warlock. I'm not really I guess you're a Harry. 438 00:24:44,160 --> 00:24:45,960 You're a wizard, Harry. So he was a wizard. 439 00:24:46,440 --> 00:24:47,559 Speaker 4: Well yeah, But. 440 00:24:48,000 --> 00:24:51,359 Speaker 3: Also it makes me feel that this Paracels's research society 441 00:24:51,440 --> 00:24:52,720 is the Hogwarts and all of this. 442 00:24:53,400 --> 00:24:56,680 Speaker 2: I can't unsee this where he apparently he graduated from 443 00:24:56,720 --> 00:25:00,680 Harvard as the magnum come Louder when he was seventeen 444 00:25:01,599 --> 00:25:04,400 later earned two PhDs in an MD. But anyways, this 445 00:25:04,480 --> 00:25:07,960 was a guy there right at the that was involved 446 00:25:07,960 --> 00:25:09,599 with the alchemy at the time. 447 00:25:10,160 --> 00:25:12,480 Speaker 3: He went to Hogwarts. Yeah, and then he became the 448 00:25:12,519 --> 00:25:16,680 Harry Potter, meaning that Israel Regardi was no Harry Potter. 449 00:25:16,759 --> 00:25:19,119 He was maybe like a Ron Weasley, and then maybe 450 00:25:19,240 --> 00:25:23,079 Joseph Leshewsky. I don't know if he's like Hermione or 451 00:25:23,160 --> 00:25:25,160 I don't know who he is. Maybe he's like the 452 00:25:25,839 --> 00:25:27,319 kid that was under snape or something. 453 00:25:28,119 --> 00:25:32,599 Speaker 2: So we got that Malfoy. Let me talk a little 454 00:25:32,599 --> 00:25:37,160 bit about Israel Regardy. So he was Francis Israel Regardi 455 00:25:37,519 --> 00:25:40,240 was an English and American occultist, ceremonial magician, and writer 456 00:25:40,279 --> 00:25:42,079 who spent much of his life in the United States. 457 00:25:42,119 --> 00:25:45,720 He wrote fifteen books on the subject of occultism. Born 458 00:25:45,799 --> 00:25:49,039 to a working class Orthodox Jewish family in the East 459 00:25:49,119 --> 00:25:51,440 End of London, regarding his family soon moved to Washington, 460 00:25:51,519 --> 00:25:55,960 DC in the United States, Regardy rejected Orthodox Judaism during 461 00:25:56,000 --> 00:25:59,440 his teenage years and took an interest in theosophy, Hinduism, Buddhism, 462 00:25:59,480 --> 00:26:02,920 and Jewish mysticism. It was through his interest in yoga 463 00:26:02,920 --> 00:26:07,240 that he encountered the writings of Occultis Alister Crowley. Contacting Croley, 464 00:26:07,279 --> 00:26:10,000 he was invited to serve as the Occultis secretary and 465 00:26:10,720 --> 00:26:14,920 necessitating a move to Paris, France. In nineteen twenty eight, 466 00:26:15,880 --> 00:26:19,079 he followed Croley to England before their association ended. Living 467 00:26:19,160 --> 00:26:22,000 in England, he wrote two books on the Kabbala, A 468 00:26:22,079 --> 00:26:25,119 Garden of Pomegranates and the Tree of Life. In nineteen 469 00:26:25,160 --> 00:26:30,960 thirty four, he then joined Stella Matutina, a ceremonial magic 470 00:26:31,039 --> 00:26:34,279 order descended from the defunct Hermetic Order of the Golden Dawn, 471 00:26:34,359 --> 00:26:37,240 but grew dissatisfied with its leadership and left. He also 472 00:26:37,279 --> 00:26:43,039 studied psychology, being particularly influenced by the ideas from Jungian psychology, 473 00:26:43,519 --> 00:26:47,799 and explored Christian mysticism. In nineteen thirty seven he returned 474 00:26:47,799 --> 00:26:50,119 to the United States, concerned that the Golden Dawn system 475 00:26:50,119 --> 00:26:52,839 of ceremonial magic would be lost. He published the Stella 476 00:26:53,400 --> 00:26:56,759 Matutina Rituals and a series of books between nineteen thirty 477 00:26:56,799 --> 00:27:00,680 eight and nineteen forty. This entailed Brain making his oath 478 00:27:00,720 --> 00:27:03,920 of secrecy and brought anger from many other occultists. So 479 00:27:03,920 --> 00:27:08,799 this is like the controversy behind Israe Regardi exposing the secrets, right, 480 00:27:08,839 --> 00:27:12,720 but he did it to preserve the secrets. During the 481 00:27:12,799 --> 00:27:15,880 Second World War, he served in the US Army. On 482 00:27:15,960 --> 00:27:18,680 returning to the US, he gained a doctorate in psychology 483 00:27:19,160 --> 00:27:22,640 before relocating to Los Angeles in nineteen forty seven and 484 00:27:22,680 --> 00:27:25,880 setting up practice as a chiropractor. In nineteen eighty one, 485 00:27:25,960 --> 00:27:28,440 he retired and moved to Sedona, Arizona, where he died 486 00:27:28,480 --> 00:27:30,759 of a heart attack four years later. 487 00:27:31,799 --> 00:27:34,599 Speaker 3: So and the note about him setting up practice as 488 00:27:34,599 --> 00:27:38,720 a chiropractor and forty seven, there's a few different points 489 00:27:38,759 --> 00:27:43,519 in this book that mentioned when he asked Regardi about 490 00:27:43,559 --> 00:27:46,119 like what he did with his life and how much 491 00:27:46,119 --> 00:27:49,119 he cared about all this stuff that Regardi would constantly 492 00:27:49,160 --> 00:27:50,799 be like, I wish I would have just focused more 493 00:27:50,839 --> 00:27:55,079 on money, just had more business and like put all 494 00:27:55,119 --> 00:27:57,200 this out, you know, al chemical stuff to the side. 495 00:27:57,240 --> 00:27:59,519 But it made a good point too that yeah, he 496 00:27:59,559 --> 00:28:04,160 had a professional business. He was a chiropractor for damn 497 00:28:04,200 --> 00:28:06,960 near like four decades of his life and that's where 498 00:28:07,000 --> 00:28:10,680 the money came. And without that paying the bills, I 499 00:28:10,680 --> 00:28:14,200 don't think he would have had time to just study alchemy, right, 500 00:28:14,240 --> 00:28:17,839 I'm pretty sure that that's sort of the leading fucking 501 00:28:17,920 --> 00:28:18,359 line here. 502 00:28:19,240 --> 00:28:21,839 Speaker 2: Yeah, no, and that that is a lot of people. 503 00:28:21,839 --> 00:28:24,680 That's even my stance on it. It's like you look 504 00:28:24,720 --> 00:28:27,119 into a lot of this stuff as far as occultism 505 00:28:27,960 --> 00:28:30,440 and all these things going. There's a few excerpts that 506 00:28:30,720 --> 00:28:32,920 I'll pull up here in a little bit in the 507 00:28:32,960 --> 00:28:37,039 book that really touch on the subject of like, hey, 508 00:28:37,039 --> 00:28:41,640 you should probably focus on making money because. 509 00:28:42,880 --> 00:28:47,160 Speaker 4: Let me find it here. Yeah, I'll find it in 510 00:28:47,200 --> 00:28:47,720 a little bit. 511 00:28:47,799 --> 00:28:50,440 Speaker 2: But yeah, a lot of the stuff he was saying 512 00:28:50,640 --> 00:28:55,039 was was true, like hey, this is all just he 513 00:28:55,160 --> 00:28:57,279 was kind of poo pooing alchemy where it's like it 514 00:28:57,359 --> 00:29:00,880 leads to nothing and it's just an endless cycle of 515 00:29:01,000 --> 00:29:05,279 just looking into things, which sometimes I do feel that 516 00:29:05,319 --> 00:29:08,559 way about pretty much any subject, Like once you start 517 00:29:08,599 --> 00:29:10,279 to look into it's like, what's the point? 518 00:29:10,480 --> 00:29:12,880 Speaker 4: What are you doing here? You know? 519 00:29:13,160 --> 00:29:17,240 Speaker 3: Well, even saying doctor Frederick Santy, who's the one that 520 00:29:17,519 --> 00:29:21,519 was kind of likened to Doogie Houser and Harry Potter, 521 00:29:21,559 --> 00:29:24,160 it says right here that if he had to do 522 00:29:24,240 --> 00:29:28,279 it all again, Santy said he would forget magic and 523 00:29:28,319 --> 00:29:32,119 focus on only making money as a physician. Santy had 524 00:29:32,160 --> 00:29:35,119 a comfortable life. But it's also clear for all his 525 00:29:35,119 --> 00:29:38,079 occult skill and talent, in the end he believed the 526 00:29:38,119 --> 00:29:41,680 results did not justify the time and energy he put 527 00:29:41,720 --> 00:29:45,039 into it. So that and that's something that gets repeated 528 00:29:45,119 --> 00:29:48,119 not just by Santy, but by Israel Regardi and I 529 00:29:48,119 --> 00:29:52,680 think by proxy too, uh, doctor Joseph Leshewsky. So all 530 00:29:52,759 --> 00:29:55,680 three of these guys, which are sort of cited as 531 00:29:55,759 --> 00:29:59,000 being like modern the closest we've got to like master 532 00:29:59,119 --> 00:30:02,079 alchemists that their names are popular enough to have gotten out, 533 00:30:02,680 --> 00:30:05,720 all of them are saying, don't do alchemy, just focus 534 00:30:05,799 --> 00:30:06,680 on making money. 535 00:30:08,799 --> 00:30:12,920 Speaker 2: And it's interesting because alchemy throughout all of history has 536 00:30:12,960 --> 00:30:17,880 been about essentially unlocking an endless amount of money. Because 537 00:30:17,920 --> 00:30:20,640 if you could just turn lead into gold and just 538 00:30:20,640 --> 00:30:23,000 do that all day long, you could pawn the gold 539 00:30:23,079 --> 00:30:26,920 or sell the gold whatever and make more money. Right, 540 00:30:27,359 --> 00:30:32,119 But it never turned out to be the case because. 541 00:30:33,960 --> 00:30:36,640 Speaker 3: There might be a story deeper down under here. Right. 542 00:30:36,680 --> 00:30:40,079 So if you're John de or some other version, and 543 00:30:40,160 --> 00:30:43,359 you're hired by the king or royalty whoever has an 544 00:30:43,440 --> 00:30:46,920 unlimited money supply to look into this alchemy thing, like 545 00:30:46,960 --> 00:30:50,799 how can we generate endless amounts of gold. Therefore I 546 00:30:50,839 --> 00:30:54,000 assume to fund like military and expansionism and stuff. But 547 00:30:54,599 --> 00:30:57,319 if you're caught in this trap of like I got 548 00:30:57,319 --> 00:31:00,319 to just be straight swindling this king, for like my 549 00:31:00,359 --> 00:31:03,440 whole career is just pawning the king, right, then at 550 00:31:03,480 --> 00:31:05,960 a certain point you gotta be like, oh, well, no, no, 551 00:31:06,000 --> 00:31:08,960 deep down, I'm probably purifying my soul, so I'm probably 552 00:31:09,279 --> 00:31:13,279 becoming a better person through this process. So I wonder 553 00:31:13,319 --> 00:31:15,200 if it's if there's a story like that, like it 554 00:31:15,319 --> 00:31:19,319 started out as being purely physical and then it had 555 00:31:19,359 --> 00:31:23,839 to adopt these like metaphysical and spiritual elements to it 556 00:31:24,279 --> 00:31:28,079 just to justify like not getting the results in the 557 00:31:28,119 --> 00:31:28,839 physical world. 558 00:31:29,359 --> 00:31:33,319 Speaker 2: Sure, because maybe they realized it was bullshit halfway through 559 00:31:33,359 --> 00:31:36,400 and they were like, well, what do we do now? 560 00:31:36,960 --> 00:31:37,799 Speaker 4: Right as all its to. 561 00:31:37,720 --> 00:31:40,440 Speaker 3: Me, maybe I'm closer to God. Maybe that's what I 562 00:31:40,480 --> 00:31:41,359 can sell me. 563 00:31:41,480 --> 00:31:43,359 Speaker 4: Yeah, And that's the way that that L. 564 00:31:43,440 --> 00:31:45,960 Speaker 2: Shouski puts it in the book, where it's about achieving 565 00:31:46,920 --> 00:31:50,640 and essentially being able to see the face of God, 566 00:31:51,240 --> 00:31:53,839 and by you observing the face of God, you're able 567 00:31:53,920 --> 00:31:57,440 to then kind of sort of become one and transcend 568 00:31:57,480 --> 00:32:00,960 to that next level, which you know, speaks to the 569 00:32:01,640 --> 00:32:05,000 magnum opus and all these ideas of the great work. 570 00:32:05,079 --> 00:32:08,680 But it just so happens to be that anyone who 571 00:32:08,759 --> 00:32:11,599 ever achieved the great work just happened to disappear, So 572 00:32:11,680 --> 00:32:15,119 we can't really ask them, like, hey, what's the secrets 573 00:32:15,160 --> 00:32:18,359 unless you follow the You know, anyone before this would 574 00:32:18,359 --> 00:32:22,839 probably be Fulconelli, which even Folconelli was one of those 575 00:32:23,400 --> 00:32:26,400 you know, early nineteen hundreds, but it's sort of this 576 00:32:26,480 --> 00:32:29,400 elusive guy if he was even a guy, or was 577 00:32:29,440 --> 00:32:34,160 he a group of people writing together. The first ever 578 00:32:34,240 --> 00:32:38,079 mentioned of Folconelli was actually from the wife of I 579 00:32:38,079 --> 00:32:40,960 believe his last name was Bartholdi, which was the mean, 580 00:32:41,039 --> 00:32:47,119 let me Augustus Bartholdi, Augustus BARTHOLDI. Let mean, let me 581 00:32:47,160 --> 00:32:49,480 fact check myself on that. Yeah, So it was from 582 00:32:49,559 --> 00:32:52,920 the wife of Frederick Auguste Bothardi, which who who was 583 00:32:52,960 --> 00:32:57,400 the sculptor of the Statue of Liberty. His wife was 584 00:32:57,440 --> 00:33:01,039 the first one to ever write about folk the named Fulconelli, 585 00:33:01,279 --> 00:33:03,000 and that's what we're able to trace it back to. 586 00:33:03,839 --> 00:33:07,759 And Fulconelly was probably a group of people, but allegedly 587 00:33:07,799 --> 00:33:12,759 in the late nineteen twenties around there, he appeared in 588 00:33:12,799 --> 00:33:15,319 some alchemical lab or might have been the nineteen thirties, 589 00:33:15,319 --> 00:33:17,759 he appeared in an our chemical lab and revealed the 590 00:33:17,839 --> 00:33:24,880 secrets to the scientist about the secrets to essentially nuclear power, 591 00:33:25,160 --> 00:33:29,319 and the precursor to the CIA actually went around looking 592 00:33:29,359 --> 00:33:32,559 for him. Now, if he was a real person or not, 593 00:33:32,680 --> 00:33:36,720 that's up for interpretation, but he's His description of alchemy 594 00:33:37,680 --> 00:33:39,400 is one of the ones that I love the most 595 00:33:39,440 --> 00:33:41,359 because it kind of nails it on the head, like, hey, 596 00:33:41,359 --> 00:33:43,880 what the hell is all this work for in the lab? 597 00:33:43,920 --> 00:33:46,680 Speaker 4: For like they what is the philosopher's time? What is 598 00:33:46,720 --> 00:33:47,000 all this? 599 00:33:47,079 --> 00:33:49,960 Speaker 2: And it's like, well, it's to be able to step 600 00:33:50,000 --> 00:33:54,839 outside of space and time and manipulate reality from the outside. 601 00:33:55,960 --> 00:33:57,200 Speaker 3: And then here's your heart. 602 00:33:57,720 --> 00:33:59,880 Speaker 2: Well yeah, he didn't say anything like that, but he's 603 00:33:59,880 --> 00:34:02,240 like and I'm out and peace out. 604 00:34:02,279 --> 00:34:03,240 Speaker 4: And then they. 605 00:34:03,200 --> 00:34:04,839 Speaker 2: Were seeing that meme with the with the black kid 606 00:34:04,880 --> 00:34:07,240 who does the peace sign, and like disappears that. 607 00:34:08,880 --> 00:34:12,039 Speaker 3: He was. That was Fulcanelly discovering the Philosopher's Stone. 608 00:34:12,239 --> 00:34:18,079 Speaker 4: Yeah, dude, exactly, peace out. Uh, black Kid definitely pull 609 00:34:18,119 --> 00:34:18,880 that up real quick. 610 00:34:20,920 --> 00:34:23,760 Speaker 3: And there's a when we're talking about the Philosopher's Stone. 611 00:34:23,800 --> 00:34:25,880 This is something that was fairly new to me. I mean, 612 00:34:25,960 --> 00:34:29,599 I'd heard this before through Paracelsus work, but they they 613 00:34:29,639 --> 00:34:33,920 bically make this claim that in order for you to 614 00:34:34,000 --> 00:34:37,360 be able to make a philosopher's stone, first you have 615 00:34:37,400 --> 00:34:40,239 to be able to make this this herbal stone, and 616 00:34:40,360 --> 00:34:44,119 that an herbal stone takes something like twenty pounds of 617 00:34:44,239 --> 00:34:47,079 raw dry herb, and then you have to send it 618 00:34:47,119 --> 00:34:52,840 through these various processes. And I don't there's like a 619 00:34:52,840 --> 00:34:54,880 whole bunch of like encoded stuff in here. So this 620 00:34:54,880 --> 00:34:56,719 this book, he kind of tells you at the beginning, 621 00:34:57,000 --> 00:34:59,920 like I'm gonna give you the exact recipes and everything 622 00:35:00,000 --> 00:35:03,519 you're gonna need to know doesn't do shit. You're gonna 623 00:35:03,519 --> 00:35:05,760 have to like read between the lines in order to 624 00:35:05,760 --> 00:35:08,719 get to that super clear message. And one of those 625 00:35:08,840 --> 00:35:12,320 messages was that and this might have been towards the 626 00:35:12,360 --> 00:35:14,639 waterworks section, but I kind of applied to the rest 627 00:35:14,719 --> 00:35:18,039 of it. But he said that in all the old manuscripts, 628 00:35:18,039 --> 00:35:20,199 if you go up and look at like Valentine or Basil, 629 00:35:20,280 --> 00:35:23,840 that some of their writings would say things like bury this, 630 00:35:23,960 --> 00:35:25,800 and I'm gonna make something up. It'll be like bury 631 00:35:25,800 --> 00:35:29,239 this in horse dung for thirty days and then unbury it. 632 00:35:30,079 --> 00:35:32,079 But the problem was that he said that that was 633 00:35:32,119 --> 00:35:34,639 a code that really, if you knew what you were 634 00:35:34,679 --> 00:35:37,280 looking for and what you were trying to create, you'd 635 00:35:37,320 --> 00:35:40,039 have to keep it buried for nine months, not one month, 636 00:35:40,440 --> 00:35:42,440 and that anyone that digs it up after a month, 637 00:35:42,679 --> 00:35:45,440 they're kind of outing themselves and they're preventing themselves from 638 00:35:45,480 --> 00:35:48,519 actually doing this work. And I almost started to apply 639 00:35:48,639 --> 00:35:52,000 that same premise to this herbal stones, because so the 640 00:35:52,000 --> 00:35:55,559 premise of an herbal stone, as you take twenty pounds 641 00:35:55,599 --> 00:35:57,519 of herb, let's just say that it's weed, just for 642 00:35:57,679 --> 00:35:58,639 that's a lot of herbs. 643 00:35:59,280 --> 00:36:00,440 Speaker 4: Twenty pounds, you get. 644 00:36:00,320 --> 00:36:05,360 Speaker 3: Twenty pounds a weed, and then you basically keep distilling 645 00:36:05,400 --> 00:36:09,440 that down until you've got nothing but just the plant 646 00:36:09,480 --> 00:36:12,199 matter left over. And I assume that you're saving the 647 00:36:12,920 --> 00:36:15,440 points that you're extracting through alcohol, which is called like 648 00:36:15,480 --> 00:36:17,880 the mercury, so you're kind of storing all of the 649 00:36:17,960 --> 00:36:21,320 concentrated liquid from it, but you're not throwing away the 650 00:36:21,320 --> 00:36:24,400 physical plant material at any point either. And what happens 651 00:36:24,519 --> 00:36:26,800 is that once you've processed as much as you can, 652 00:36:27,199 --> 00:36:29,719 then you start to burn it, and you wait until 653 00:36:29,719 --> 00:36:32,440 it turns all black, how it turns into like snash. 654 00:36:32,800 --> 00:36:35,480 But then you keep burning it even more and even hotter, 655 00:36:35,599 --> 00:36:38,440 and then it starts to turn like a light gray color, 656 00:36:38,559 --> 00:36:40,719 and then maybe like a like a white color, like 657 00:36:40,760 --> 00:36:44,519 a completely bleached white color, and then it'll start to 658 00:36:44,639 --> 00:36:47,840 form into like a hard substance. And I guess there's 659 00:36:47,880 --> 00:36:49,960 a certain point in time when you can roll this 660 00:36:50,039 --> 00:36:52,360 into like a ball, and now you've got like this 661 00:36:52,440 --> 00:36:56,920 little purified ball of the old like physical matter, and 662 00:36:56,920 --> 00:36:59,880 then you start feeding it. And this reminded me of 663 00:37:00,239 --> 00:37:03,079 the descriptions and how you would feed a homunculous blood 664 00:37:03,199 --> 00:37:05,119 over the court, like every night you would go and 665 00:37:05,360 --> 00:37:06,800 I don't know, give it like a few drops of 666 00:37:06,800 --> 00:37:09,440 blood or something. You do the exact same thing with 667 00:37:09,480 --> 00:37:12,519 this herbal stone. That once you've got this perfect little 668 00:37:12,599 --> 00:37:15,639 white sphere, then you start feeding it its own blood, 669 00:37:15,679 --> 00:37:18,079 which in this case would be its alcohol or its 670 00:37:18,119 --> 00:37:21,559 mercury or whatever, the liquid substances that you were able 671 00:37:21,840 --> 00:37:25,079 to extract from it before you burnt it, before you 672 00:37:25,159 --> 00:37:28,000 calcified it. And then over time, as you feed enough 673 00:37:28,000 --> 00:37:30,400 to it, it says that it will take no more, 674 00:37:30,519 --> 00:37:34,519 meaning that you've basically like oversaturated this little ball with 675 00:37:34,559 --> 00:37:38,679 its own blood. And at that point it becomes I 676 00:37:38,679 --> 00:37:42,559 guess this this herbal stone which is the precursor to 677 00:37:42,639 --> 00:37:46,119 creating a homunculus. So if you can't make this herbal stone, 678 00:37:46,599 --> 00:37:49,000 then they almost make it seem like you've got no 679 00:37:49,119 --> 00:37:50,559 chance in making a homunculus. 680 00:37:50,679 --> 00:37:54,559 Speaker 2: Yeah, because in order so the steps of alchemy is right, 681 00:37:54,639 --> 00:37:57,039 you do all the work, So you let the you 682 00:37:57,119 --> 00:37:59,719 tie the toe down to the swan, and all these 683 00:37:59,760 --> 00:38:02,920 other things that are that are symbolic for the process 684 00:38:03,079 --> 00:38:06,119 as as they they illustrate it. But again it's only 685 00:38:06,159 --> 00:38:08,320 to the initiate that is able to pick up on this. 686 00:38:08,960 --> 00:38:11,320 But you have to you have to conduct the little 687 00:38:11,320 --> 00:38:14,559 work first, the minor work, and when you do the 688 00:38:14,599 --> 00:38:19,239 minor work, then you use that to do the great 689 00:38:19,320 --> 00:38:24,039 work or the magnum opis. And then allegedly which the 690 00:38:24,039 --> 00:38:26,559 magnum opus is, the philosopher's stone, right, that that's the 691 00:38:26,679 --> 00:38:31,119 that's the true what they're trying to achieve. And according 692 00:38:31,159 --> 00:38:34,760 even to full metal alchemists, you need and and text 693 00:38:34,760 --> 00:38:37,199 that I've read too, you need the philosopher's stone in 694 00:38:37,280 --> 00:38:40,159 order to create the homunculus, because that's what's going to 695 00:38:40,239 --> 00:38:43,760 animate it to life. Similar to how the Philosopher's stone 696 00:38:43,840 --> 00:38:46,599 can turn lead into gold, it can also create life. 697 00:38:46,639 --> 00:38:49,000 So you have to sprinkle a little bit of it 698 00:38:49,440 --> 00:38:53,800 into the water, I guess the hot dog water or 699 00:38:53,800 --> 00:38:56,559 some of the homunculous water, and then it'll, you know, 700 00:38:56,639 --> 00:38:59,320 it'll help animate it. Because that's that's the magic of 701 00:38:59,360 --> 00:39:02,280 this substance. It's like, that's how much power has that 702 00:39:02,360 --> 00:39:06,199 it can literally and that's that's truly the premise of alchemy. 703 00:39:06,280 --> 00:39:11,119 Taking dead matter, dead material and enemy animating it to life, 704 00:39:11,719 --> 00:39:16,920 giving life to inanimate matter, and purifying it to its 705 00:39:17,360 --> 00:39:21,280 highest form. So that's why you would need, right, the gurr, 706 00:39:21,280 --> 00:39:25,000 which we're going to be talking about this primordial almost 707 00:39:25,119 --> 00:39:29,000 like the uh the prima material you will that you're. 708 00:39:28,880 --> 00:39:32,400 Speaker 4: Able to get through the water work. 709 00:39:32,639 --> 00:39:37,599 Speaker 2: According to Homer, and the golden chain, which then you 710 00:39:37,679 --> 00:39:40,039 grab a supply of that and you stockpile a supply 711 00:39:40,119 --> 00:39:43,000 of that gurr, that dried gurr, and then that's what's 712 00:39:43,039 --> 00:39:46,039 going to aid you in the creation of the homunculus. Now, 713 00:39:46,079 --> 00:39:51,079 what's interesting is that we've covered the libre of ak right, 714 00:39:51,320 --> 00:39:54,960 we've talked about that alchemical process and how that leads 715 00:39:54,960 --> 00:39:58,079 you to a homunculus. Maybe that's what the sunstone is, 716 00:39:58,119 --> 00:40:01,800 bro the maybe the sunstone is the philosopher's stone or 717 00:40:02,239 --> 00:40:05,559 the herbal stone or something, because there's always ingredients that 718 00:40:05,599 --> 00:40:09,079 you can't quite pinpoint, but point being is that there 719 00:40:09,079 --> 00:40:11,559 are multiple ways to skin a cat. How there are 720 00:40:11,639 --> 00:40:14,400 multiple ways to create a homunculus. So you have the 721 00:40:14,519 --> 00:40:17,079 ninth century version of the liber vak, which is like, hey, 722 00:40:17,079 --> 00:40:19,440 you know, you take a Kyle carcass, you do all 723 00:40:19,480 --> 00:40:21,920 the stuff, You beat it to a pulp with a 724 00:40:22,000 --> 00:40:25,719 dog penis, et cetera, et cetera, boom forty days, which 725 00:40:25,760 --> 00:40:28,840 is not nine months, by the way, forty days, forty nights. 726 00:40:29,920 --> 00:40:30,719 Speaker 4: You open it up. 727 00:40:31,159 --> 00:40:33,960 Speaker 2: You got this blob and then you put that into 728 00:40:34,000 --> 00:40:35,960 the powdered bees and all that, and then it'll girl skin. 729 00:40:36,719 --> 00:40:39,239 All that might have been encoded too, bro Like, all 730 00:40:39,320 --> 00:40:41,119 that might have been coded, and the reason for that 731 00:40:41,199 --> 00:40:44,679 being like, oh, it's to screen out the people who 732 00:40:45,159 --> 00:40:47,920 shouldn't shouldn't be doing the work, right. 733 00:40:48,519 --> 00:40:53,480 Speaker 3: But I mean there's another explanation for this too. That's basically, 734 00:40:54,000 --> 00:40:58,559 until the eighteen hundreds, most people did believe in some 735 00:40:58,840 --> 00:41:02,960 form of spontaneous generation of animals. That if you saw 736 00:41:03,000 --> 00:41:05,280 like a dead carcass of like an animal out on 737 00:41:05,320 --> 00:41:07,840 the road, and then all of a sudden it had 738 00:41:07,920 --> 00:41:10,880 maggots in it, like a few days later. That legitimately, 739 00:41:10,920 --> 00:41:16,000 like the scientifically you know, accepted theory of that was 740 00:41:16,039 --> 00:41:20,679 that life was spontaneously generating from this old animal plants 741 00:41:20,719 --> 00:41:23,440 faction to new animal plant matter. This is like before 742 00:41:23,519 --> 00:41:28,079 germ theory and before they even like really considered microscopic 743 00:41:28,280 --> 00:41:32,119 entities doing this. Now, of course, this is modern history. 744 00:41:32,159 --> 00:41:34,559 I think that this is sometime around like fifteen hundreds 745 00:41:34,639 --> 00:41:37,599 or sixteen hundreds, because if you wind the clock back 746 00:41:37,679 --> 00:41:41,159 far enough, then you get like Democritus who was talking 747 00:41:41,159 --> 00:41:44,519 about atoms being the smallest possible units of measurement and 748 00:41:44,559 --> 00:41:47,119 that all everything that we see in our senses were 749 00:41:47,159 --> 00:41:49,920 just opinions and illusions based on these small So I'm 750 00:41:50,079 --> 00:41:53,639 positive that prior to the eighteen hundreds or sixteen hundreds 751 00:41:53,840 --> 00:41:57,440 there were people that believed in something other than this, 752 00:41:57,519 --> 00:42:01,280 like spontaneous creation. But for the last four hundred years 753 00:42:01,320 --> 00:42:05,199 of our current times, this was like the go to theory. 754 00:42:05,360 --> 00:42:08,519 So it wasn't even like if you you were sprung 755 00:42:08,599 --> 00:42:10,480 up a conversation, you were like, hey, Man, did you 756 00:42:10,559 --> 00:42:13,039 know that those larva and that carcass over there, like 757 00:42:13,079 --> 00:42:15,599 that's just a cycle of life. Man? That wasn't you 758 00:42:15,679 --> 00:42:18,599 being like stoned or having some deep philosophical thought that 759 00:42:18,719 --> 00:42:22,320 was like conventional science that's only been the last one 760 00:42:22,400 --> 00:42:26,199 hundred maybe two hundred years. If you're overly generous that 761 00:42:26,280 --> 00:42:28,079 people are like, oh no, that's not how that works. 762 00:42:28,079 --> 00:42:31,159 It works this completely different way. But it also I 763 00:42:31,199 --> 00:42:34,119 think it should humble us because it's like, every one 764 00:42:34,239 --> 00:42:37,639 hundred and fifty two hundred years, everything that you know 765 00:42:37,760 --> 00:42:41,719 and believe completely changes to something you know entirely different. 766 00:42:42,159 --> 00:42:44,440 So even now for like, oh, that's so silly. You 767 00:42:44,480 --> 00:42:47,960 know that those idiots thought that larva was just spontaneously 768 00:42:48,039 --> 00:42:51,760 being created from like a dead cow carcass. Whatever we 769 00:42:51,840 --> 00:42:53,519 believe right now in like the one hundred and fifty 770 00:42:53,599 --> 00:42:56,639 years is going to sound equally stupid. Yeah. 771 00:42:56,719 --> 00:42:59,920 Speaker 2: And then the part that interests me about the homunk 772 00:43:00,079 --> 00:43:02,000 list the most is let me see why I can 773 00:43:02,039 --> 00:43:02,840 get this to work or not? 774 00:43:04,480 --> 00:43:06,960 Speaker 4: Is that it might be working maybe not. 775 00:43:07,360 --> 00:43:12,679 Speaker 2: Who cares the that it's a possibility, because recently I've 776 00:43:12,679 --> 00:43:15,960 seen in the news that they are just coming out 777 00:43:15,960 --> 00:43:20,159 with artificial embryos that have no father or mother. So 778 00:43:21,440 --> 00:43:24,719 this is quite literally a possibility to this day. And 779 00:43:24,800 --> 00:43:28,519 I believe that the stuff that they're showing us in 780 00:43:28,559 --> 00:43:32,519 the media is just the tip of the iceberg. I 781 00:43:32,519 --> 00:43:36,519 believe that the industrial military the military industrial complex has 782 00:43:36,599 --> 00:43:39,719 had this sort of technology for a while now, and 783 00:43:39,800 --> 00:43:43,079 they choose to reveal what they want. 784 00:43:43,480 --> 00:43:45,599 Speaker 4: And if they're talking about this now. 785 00:43:46,119 --> 00:43:48,559 Speaker 2: They might have already proven it, and they might have 786 00:43:48,639 --> 00:43:51,519 been already doing it for the last two or three 787 00:43:51,559 --> 00:43:54,599 decades already, and it's just like, hey, now, let's put 788 00:43:54,639 --> 00:43:57,679 it out to the public just to get a feel 789 00:43:57,719 --> 00:44:00,000 for it, to see how let's test the waters out 790 00:44:00,119 --> 00:44:02,440 little bit, right, and see how people feel about if 791 00:44:02,440 --> 00:44:05,239 there's gonna be this ethical debate over it or not. 792 00:44:05,639 --> 00:44:09,119 And then like, hey, by the way, here's this person 793 00:44:09,679 --> 00:44:11,760 who was growing in one of these labs and they're 794 00:44:11,960 --> 00:44:16,719 just fine, and we could probably use them for like labor, 795 00:44:17,079 --> 00:44:21,480 cheaper labor, because technically they don't have a soul, you know, 796 00:44:21,920 --> 00:44:24,840 there's nothing this wasn't created through. And then that's where 797 00:44:24,840 --> 00:44:30,519 you get a whole other can of worms, if you will. 798 00:44:30,960 --> 00:44:33,519 And that's been one of the main ones recently, as 799 00:44:33,559 --> 00:44:38,280 recent as let me see here. Artificial embryos was just 800 00:44:38,400 --> 00:44:42,760 revealed not too long ago, actually, so. 801 00:44:44,440 --> 00:44:49,559 Speaker 3: I mean, but it would still require like the male mercury. Right. 802 00:44:51,280 --> 00:44:55,760 Speaker 2: Well, according to this, so researchers create this is one 803 00:44:55,800 --> 00:44:57,280 of the latest ones that I've seen when we pull 804 00:44:57,360 --> 00:45:02,679 this up, this is one that I've seen recent that 805 00:45:02,719 --> 00:45:04,800 people have been sending to me as well. They're like, hey, 806 00:45:04,800 --> 00:45:07,079 have you seen this. I'm like, I mean, dude, they're 807 00:45:07,079 --> 00:45:09,719 talking about it now. It's been around for a minute. 808 00:45:10,440 --> 00:45:13,239 Speaker 3: So this is what I mean, even through clone Eate, right, 809 00:45:13,280 --> 00:45:17,800 but even like that one alien Cultarelians they claim to 810 00:45:17,840 --> 00:45:20,920 have made a clone of Eve where they named Eve 811 00:45:21,000 --> 00:45:22,400 in the nineties the girl. 812 00:45:22,480 --> 00:45:26,280 Speaker 2: Yeah yeah, and supposedly it's a healthy girl. But this 813 00:45:26,360 --> 00:45:28,599 is one of the main when researchers create mice born 814 00:45:28,639 --> 00:45:32,800 from two male parents. And let me find the other 815 00:45:32,840 --> 00:45:35,159 one that I've had people message me, I actually had 816 00:45:35,159 --> 00:45:38,440 a guy. Donald Trump is also making this illegal now, 817 00:45:40,599 --> 00:45:47,440 So synthetic human embryos created in groundbreaking advanced So synthetic 818 00:45:48,519 --> 00:45:56,920 human embryos created alchemically. 819 00:45:57,079 --> 00:46:00,480 Speaker 3: This does make sense, Like you could have two deaths. 820 00:46:00,000 --> 00:46:02,880 Speaker 4: In twenty twenty three. Bro, this dude sent me, Oh yeah, 821 00:46:02,880 --> 00:46:05,599 We've talked about this before, synthetic. 822 00:46:05,320 --> 00:46:08,079 Speaker 2: Human embryos created. This was more than a year ago, 823 00:46:09,599 --> 00:46:14,840 and according to the laws, you can't keep them alive 824 00:46:15,039 --> 00:46:16,719 for more than fourteen days. 825 00:46:17,159 --> 00:46:18,760 Speaker 3: That sounds like amunculus. 826 00:46:18,920 --> 00:46:19,039 Speaker 4: Man. 827 00:46:19,199 --> 00:46:22,840 Speaker 2: Listen, dude, I'm not saying it's a homunculus, but it 828 00:46:23,039 --> 00:46:25,119 lines up right, like it lines up. 829 00:46:24,960 --> 00:46:26,119 Speaker 4: With creating art. 830 00:46:26,360 --> 00:46:30,320 Speaker 2: The point of the homunculus is creating artificial life through 831 00:46:30,360 --> 00:46:33,360 the use of you know, alchemy is a spiritual sort 832 00:46:33,400 --> 00:46:36,920 of thing, occult, but using science. Because alchemy was the 833 00:46:36,960 --> 00:46:40,760 precursor to chemistry, which is one of, you know, one 834 00:46:40,760 --> 00:46:43,360 of the main branches of science, I would consider it. 835 00:46:44,159 --> 00:46:49,079 And here we have these people creating synthetic human embryos, 836 00:46:49,239 --> 00:46:51,079 and the reason that they're synthetic is so that they 837 00:46:51,079 --> 00:46:54,320 can get around the laws because technically, yeah, there is 838 00:46:54,440 --> 00:46:55,599 laws against. 839 00:46:55,280 --> 00:46:56,639 Speaker 4: Using human embryos. 840 00:46:56,719 --> 00:46:58,639 Speaker 2: But what if that's a copy of a copy? What 841 00:46:58,800 --> 00:47:02,320 then you can get around the ethics of. 842 00:47:02,800 --> 00:47:06,079 Speaker 3: This is like, this is like K two version of 843 00:47:06,119 --> 00:47:10,440 an embryo. Yeah, like they tweak a little molecule. 844 00:47:10,480 --> 00:47:13,440 Speaker 2: Again, Yeah, it might make you swim around the floor 845 00:47:13,519 --> 00:47:16,280 like a snake, but hey, you're still gonna get you know, 846 00:47:16,320 --> 00:47:19,079 you're gonna still feel it. But when I see things 847 00:47:19,159 --> 00:47:24,159 like this, it solidifies my belief that the homunculus could 848 00:47:24,199 --> 00:47:27,920 have been a real thing, maybe once or twice throughout history. 849 00:47:28,880 --> 00:47:33,119 Right because they say, according to Basil Valentine or any 850 00:47:33,119 --> 00:47:38,079 of these other guys, that only a certain few throughout 851 00:47:38,119 --> 00:47:41,000 the years achieved the magnum opus. So that would make 852 00:47:41,079 --> 00:47:43,159 sense that only a certain few, and by a certain 853 00:47:43,199 --> 00:47:45,880 few probably I can think off the top of my head, 854 00:47:45,880 --> 00:47:50,840 maybe three alchemists that allegedly created the Philosopher's Stone. You know, 855 00:47:50,880 --> 00:47:55,639 you got Eugene Consalier and this other guy with Fulcanelli, 856 00:47:55,719 --> 00:48:00,280 where they allegedly created the Philosopher's Stone. Fulconelli disappeared. You 857 00:48:00,360 --> 00:48:02,679 have Besil Valentine who he also disappeared. 858 00:48:02,880 --> 00:48:03,519 Speaker 4: And if you want to. 859 00:48:03,519 --> 00:48:08,519 Speaker 2: Think about Edward Kelly, he allegedly created the Philosopher's Stone, 860 00:48:08,559 --> 00:48:12,360 and I mean he died, but he was imprisoned in 861 00:48:12,719 --> 00:48:14,599 the tower for a long time by rude Off the second. 862 00:48:14,639 --> 00:48:17,880 But anyway, besides the point, a point being that it 863 00:48:17,960 --> 00:48:18,480 was only. 864 00:48:18,320 --> 00:48:21,400 Speaker 4: A select few that were able to achieve this. 865 00:48:22,039 --> 00:48:23,960 Speaker 3: So what it may be because because one of the 866 00:48:24,000 --> 00:48:26,519 things that the Philosopher's Stone is supposed to allow you 867 00:48:26,599 --> 00:48:29,519 to do is to live forever. It's it's supposed to 868 00:48:29,519 --> 00:48:31,800 give immortality if you and bibe it, meaning if you 869 00:48:31,920 --> 00:48:33,639 like eat on it. And I don't know if you 870 00:48:33,679 --> 00:48:35,599 got to eat like like a little piece every day 871 00:48:35,679 --> 00:48:37,079 or like once in a I don't know what the 872 00:48:37,119 --> 00:48:40,719 actual prescription is, but it seems that if you live 873 00:48:40,800 --> 00:48:45,000 forever after eating the Philosopher's Stone, then you couldn't really 874 00:48:45,079 --> 00:48:49,039 die unless again we're just talking about immortality, or but 875 00:48:49,119 --> 00:48:50,480 here's immortality. 876 00:48:50,679 --> 00:48:54,199 Speaker 2: Here's here's how I've come to understand the Philosopher's Stone 877 00:48:54,800 --> 00:48:58,920 Because the Philosopher's Stone, right, they do talk about eating it. 878 00:48:58,960 --> 00:49:01,360 They talk about it that it's sweet in that year, 879 00:49:01,599 --> 00:49:04,079 and this is one of the descriptions that Lushuski gives 880 00:49:04,079 --> 00:49:06,400 when he's like feeding the homunculus, that it's very sweet 881 00:49:06,400 --> 00:49:09,320 and odor and we'll jump into that after this. But 882 00:49:10,119 --> 00:49:12,639 the Philosopher's Stone, we've come to think of it as 883 00:49:12,679 --> 00:49:14,800 an actual stone. But what if it's like a breakthrough 884 00:49:15,079 --> 00:49:18,199 of in reality like space and time like, Because the 885 00:49:18,199 --> 00:49:24,880 way I've come to understand the Philosopher's Stone is that 886 00:49:27,360 --> 00:49:32,599 the reaction from the light once once you achieved the 887 00:49:32,639 --> 00:49:33,519 Philosopher's Stone. 888 00:49:33,559 --> 00:49:35,000 Speaker 4: That reaction in that. 889 00:49:34,960 --> 00:49:41,119 Speaker 2: Light alters your DNA, so that's when then you're able 890 00:49:41,159 --> 00:49:43,760 to step out, so it alters you. You become like 891 00:49:43,800 --> 00:49:45,840 this sort of light being. You're able to step outside 892 00:49:45,840 --> 00:49:46,559 of space and time. 893 00:49:46,840 --> 00:49:47,920 Speaker 4: So you wouldn't need. 894 00:49:47,760 --> 00:49:50,800 Speaker 2: To eat the stone if you're already this angelic being 895 00:49:51,119 --> 00:49:54,320 that's outside of space and time manipulating reality. And it's 896 00:49:54,320 --> 00:49:56,199 like the Black killed like peace out, I'm out of here, 897 00:49:56,239 --> 00:49:58,760 and you can go to another point in time. And yeah, 898 00:49:58,800 --> 00:50:01,199 they live for it yet because it seemed like that, 899 00:50:01,199 --> 00:50:03,920 because they're blipping in and out of reality every now 900 00:50:03,920 --> 00:50:06,480 and again, like you know, it's bringing like the story 901 00:50:06,519 --> 00:50:11,000 of Baron Trump and the Marvelous under Ground Adventures, like hey, 902 00:50:11,039 --> 00:50:13,840 he kind of looks like him there. Well, what if again, 903 00:50:13,960 --> 00:50:16,639 they had access to some sort of technology that allowed 904 00:50:16,679 --> 00:50:20,039 him to exist in that in that time and then 905 00:50:22,360 --> 00:50:24,159 exit in and out. I don't know if there's some 906 00:50:24,199 --> 00:50:28,440 portal or something into this time. And I don't know, dude. 907 00:50:28,480 --> 00:50:29,360 I mean, that's the way I. 908 00:50:29,840 --> 00:50:32,239 Speaker 3: Usually if you start with the little work, because I mean, 909 00:50:32,280 --> 00:50:34,320 I guess the way that I'm trying to understand this 910 00:50:34,480 --> 00:50:36,519 is that the reason you would start with the little 911 00:50:36,559 --> 00:50:39,199 work and then make the philosopher's stone, and then make 912 00:50:39,280 --> 00:50:43,519 the mounculus. Is because all of these rely on previous 913 00:50:43,559 --> 00:50:46,519 disciplines that you can only make philosopher's stone if you 914 00:50:46,559 --> 00:50:48,239 know how to make the lesser work first, or the 915 00:50:48,280 --> 00:50:51,400 little work. But they also describe the little work that 916 00:50:51,480 --> 00:50:54,960 once you make this herbal stone, that it seems like 917 00:50:54,960 --> 00:50:57,480 it's just good forever. And when one of the claims 918 00:50:57,519 --> 00:51:00,480 is usable, you can you can introduce any other herb 919 00:51:00,559 --> 00:51:03,000 and without having to go through the entire process all 920 00:51:03,039 --> 00:51:05,760 over again, you can just introduce that herb to your 921 00:51:05,760 --> 00:51:08,960 herbal stone, and the herbal stone will do the work 922 00:51:09,039 --> 00:51:13,400 for you. It'll extract the essence and the mercury of 923 00:51:13,440 --> 00:51:16,639 this new herb that you introduced it to. And I'm 924 00:51:16,679 --> 00:51:18,719 just wondering, like can you pass this down? Like can 925 00:51:18,719 --> 00:51:21,159 I put that on eBay and someone buys it and 926 00:51:21,199 --> 00:51:23,000 they use it for one hundred years, and then their 927 00:51:23,079 --> 00:51:25,000 kids put it on eBay and someone else gets it, 928 00:51:25,039 --> 00:51:28,280 Like is there literally no limit to the end of this? 929 00:51:28,360 --> 00:51:31,360 And I guess the same thing with a philosopher's stone, 930 00:51:31,800 --> 00:51:34,719 like can you pass the philosopher's stone on? Or if 931 00:51:34,760 --> 00:51:37,840 it's a portal right, Does that mean that wherever Edward 932 00:51:37,920 --> 00:51:41,320 Kelly opened that portal or wherever he discovered this philosopher's stone, 933 00:51:42,039 --> 00:51:44,400 is it just waiting for someone else to just turn 934 00:51:44,440 --> 00:51:48,679 it back on? Like is it there forever? Or does 935 00:51:48,719 --> 00:51:50,400 it like die when you die or does it die 936 00:51:50,440 --> 00:51:52,719 when you lose interest with it? Because at least in 937 00:51:52,760 --> 00:51:56,159 the book that we read here, this book by doctor 938 00:51:56,280 --> 00:52:00,280 Joseph Letshewsky, it almost implies that every wh I are 939 00:52:00,360 --> 00:52:02,920 some kind of maintenance, which sounds like a lot of 940 00:52:03,000 --> 00:52:05,360 extra work. Like if you've already created the thing that 941 00:52:05,440 --> 00:52:08,079 can give you immortality, you should be able to hang 942 00:52:08,119 --> 00:52:09,760 the rest of it up right and just be like, 943 00:52:09,800 --> 00:52:12,440 I'm cool, I'm done. This is my retirement plan. Is 944 00:52:12,440 --> 00:52:13,719 I've got a Philosopher's stone. 945 00:52:13,760 --> 00:52:18,000 Speaker 4: Now it might all be bullshit, Thomas, like, that's the now. 946 00:52:18,159 --> 00:52:21,280 Speaker 3: I refused, But there's no way that this many men 947 00:52:21,400 --> 00:52:23,880 in history would waste this much time on something that 948 00:52:24,000 --> 00:52:24,559 wasn't true. 949 00:52:24,679 --> 00:52:27,480 Speaker 2: I mean, listen, do we talked about the concept of 950 00:52:27,559 --> 00:52:29,719 like video games on the phone, where you're putting all 951 00:52:29,760 --> 00:52:33,440 your time into a video game to get Dude, I 952 00:52:33,760 --> 00:52:36,079 put so much time until I got a herbal stone. Dude, 953 00:52:36,119 --> 00:52:37,800 I put so much time into Path of Exits. I 954 00:52:37,800 --> 00:52:42,039 got a level ninety seven necromancer with the sickest specters 955 00:52:42,039 --> 00:52:44,639 that you could ever use in the game for what 956 00:52:45,960 --> 00:52:49,599 for nothing? And then once it's immortality, well, once you 957 00:52:49,679 --> 00:52:52,280 pass on them, nobody, if nobody can log into my account, 958 00:52:52,280 --> 00:52:52,960 they can't use it. 959 00:52:53,000 --> 00:52:54,440 Speaker 3: So I see, who are you going to be pure 960 00:52:54,480 --> 00:52:57,559 of hearts? That's the problem here is that you're not 961 00:52:57,599 --> 00:52:59,840 pure of heart, so you're not going to actually be 962 00:53:00,159 --> 00:53:04,039 to achieve the true like top level, like level one hundred. 963 00:53:04,159 --> 00:53:07,079 Speaker 4: Okay, all right, that's cool. Yeah, here we go. 964 00:53:07,159 --> 00:53:12,360 Speaker 2: So we can buy an alchemically charged stone without chemical 965 00:53:12,400 --> 00:53:16,519 magic and transformation activation for a cool one hundred and 966 00:53:16,559 --> 00:53:17,360 thirty five dollars. 967 00:53:17,400 --> 00:53:19,960 Speaker 4: It's on Etsy. We can get it right now, I 968 00:53:20,000 --> 00:53:20,519 can buy it. 969 00:53:20,559 --> 00:53:23,000 Speaker 3: I actually looked at a lot of these man and 970 00:53:23,159 --> 00:53:25,599 them I went down like a rabbit hole looking at 971 00:53:25,639 --> 00:53:28,760 like at Sea and Amazon items. Because there was also 972 00:53:28,800 --> 00:53:33,320 a reference that Frader said, we're not giving medical advice here. 973 00:53:33,360 --> 00:53:35,119 I just need to preface that. But he was making 974 00:53:35,159 --> 00:53:39,320 all these claims that you don't need modern drugs, and 975 00:53:39,360 --> 00:53:41,760 then if you just take the essence of these twelve 976 00:53:41,880 --> 00:53:47,199 or thirteen different like herbal tinctures, each one aligning with 977 00:53:47,239 --> 00:53:52,039 a different classical planet month of birth. Took these like, 978 00:53:52,280 --> 00:53:54,679 for example, like every Monday, you gotta take one, Every 979 00:53:54,679 --> 00:53:56,880 Tuesday you gotta take another one, and then it just 980 00:53:56,920 --> 00:54:00,760 solved all of his issues, particularly he had like these 981 00:54:00,800 --> 00:54:03,960 weird gastro intestinal issues with like a stomach. I mean, 982 00:54:03,960 --> 00:54:06,280 he did die of colon cancer, I believe, but anyways, 983 00:54:06,280 --> 00:54:08,239 like aside from the fact that he died for the 984 00:54:08,239 --> 00:54:11,800 thing that he claimed that he had a a solution to, 985 00:54:12,599 --> 00:54:14,760 but he said that this was like the way, And 986 00:54:15,079 --> 00:54:19,119 so I started looking up these particular items on Amazon 987 00:54:19,199 --> 00:54:21,079 and then I was like reading the reviews and then 988 00:54:21,079 --> 00:54:23,559 some people are like, this one's okay, but it doesn't 989 00:54:23,599 --> 00:54:26,960 include the monoatomic gold that it needs. So then I 990 00:54:26,960 --> 00:54:29,679 went down a rabbit hole of like like when you 991 00:54:29,760 --> 00:54:33,119 need monoatomic gold added to these? And I was just wondering, 992 00:54:33,199 --> 00:54:35,119 is this another one of those read between the lines, 993 00:54:35,199 --> 00:54:37,480 like if you're just an idiot, you go and buy 994 00:54:37,519 --> 00:54:41,480 the thirteen different tinctures, but if you're smart, you also 995 00:54:41,559 --> 00:54:44,760 add the monoatomic gold to your cart, and now you're 996 00:54:44,840 --> 00:54:46,559 like a real alchemist versus. 997 00:54:46,320 --> 00:54:47,840 Speaker 4: Fall advertising man. 998 00:54:48,039 --> 00:54:51,480 Speaker 2: No, I don't that's not cool. I think you should 999 00:54:51,519 --> 00:54:54,880 tell the truth from the beginning and let right. But yeah, 1000 00:54:54,880 --> 00:54:56,199 I know exactly what you're talking. 1001 00:54:56,239 --> 00:54:58,719 Speaker 3: A whole bunch of people live in forever. That seems 1002 00:54:58,760 --> 00:54:59,480 like it would lose. 1003 00:54:59,519 --> 00:55:01,280 Speaker 4: It's not sure, yea. 1004 00:55:02,400 --> 00:55:05,000 Speaker 2: And again you could be absolutely right that it is 1005 00:55:05,039 --> 00:55:08,000 only for the initiates, and only the initiates know, like, hey, 1006 00:55:08,000 --> 00:55:10,079 you got to make sure you sprinkle a little bit 1007 00:55:10,119 --> 00:55:14,320 of that primordial gir in there, and that's what activates 1008 00:55:14,360 --> 00:55:17,719 the real stuff and that's when you're able to live forever. 1009 00:55:18,480 --> 00:55:19,760 Speaker 4: But not everybody knows that. 1010 00:55:20,480 --> 00:55:22,840 Speaker 3: Here we're talking the girl, I think is only required 1011 00:55:22,920 --> 00:55:26,280 for you know, let's get into it, and for the 1012 00:55:26,280 --> 00:55:29,960 Philosopher's Stone. But wait, before we get into that, do 1013 00:55:30,000 --> 00:55:32,440 you think that the herbal stone, the little work? Do 1014 00:55:32,480 --> 00:55:36,960 you think that that is possibly like metaphorical, because in 1015 00:55:37,079 --> 00:55:40,840 the way that it's described, it sounds like a very real, objective, 1016 00:55:40,920 --> 00:55:43,519 physical thing that you're making in a lab that has 1017 00:55:43,679 --> 00:55:45,480 real physical properties. 1018 00:55:47,079 --> 00:55:51,920 Speaker 2: If I'm if we're going solely based off of the book. Yes, 1019 00:55:51,960 --> 00:55:53,760 they made it seem like it was an actual stone 1020 00:55:53,760 --> 00:55:56,599 that you could put in a dust drawer somewhere and 1021 00:55:57,599 --> 00:56:01,159 bring it out whenever you want it. So yeah, physical 1022 00:56:01,519 --> 00:56:03,119 actual stone thing. 1023 00:56:03,559 --> 00:56:05,880 Speaker 3: And and final point on this too, just to drive 1024 00:56:05,920 --> 00:56:07,559 this in a little bit, but he made this claim 1025 00:56:07,639 --> 00:56:11,760 that the guy that Israel Regardi, I believe, said that 1026 00:56:11,840 --> 00:56:15,159 he made like three or four of these things eventually 1027 00:56:15,159 --> 00:56:17,920 it took him a long time, but that Frader Albertas 1028 00:56:18,039 --> 00:56:20,719 never made even one. He was he taught people how 1029 00:56:20,719 --> 00:56:23,400 to make them, but that he himself was never able 1030 00:56:23,400 --> 00:56:23,920 to make one. 1031 00:56:24,079 --> 00:56:26,360 Speaker 4: I think it was Israeli that could never make. 1032 00:56:26,480 --> 00:56:30,079 Speaker 3: Israel Regardi mentioned that one that he was er was 1033 00:56:30,119 --> 00:56:32,800 it Joseph Lezhevsky that said that he made three or 1034 00:56:32,800 --> 00:56:37,920 four in Israel Regardy, But in the book Frader never 1035 00:56:38,000 --> 00:56:40,599 made an herbal stone, But I was I was just 1036 00:56:40,719 --> 00:56:44,639 wondering though, because they they mentioned that you would have 1037 00:56:44,760 --> 00:56:46,480 to do this over and over and like show it 1038 00:56:46,480 --> 00:56:48,960 to the rest of your classmates and prove that you're 1039 00:56:48,960 --> 00:56:51,079 able to make this thing, and that the people that 1040 00:56:51,079 --> 00:56:53,440 were able to make it, they would be partnered up 1041 00:56:53,480 --> 00:56:56,880 with like other lab partners that used the exact same recipe, 1042 00:56:57,239 --> 00:56:59,880 even down to use the same like glasses and beak 1043 00:57:00,239 --> 00:57:03,519 and like the custom glassware. Yet they weren't able to 1044 00:57:03,639 --> 00:57:06,840 make the herbal stone. This is where that thing about 1045 00:57:06,840 --> 00:57:08,280 like you had to be pure of heart, or you 1046 00:57:08,360 --> 00:57:10,480 had to you had to have already gone through the 1047 00:57:10,480 --> 00:57:13,519 alchemical process at a spiritual level in order for it 1048 00:57:13,559 --> 00:57:15,920 to work in the physical level. And that's I guess 1049 00:57:15,920 --> 00:57:18,840 that's one of those stipulations that I just can't get 1050 00:57:18,880 --> 00:57:21,480 over very well, because I feel like, if you had 1051 00:57:21,480 --> 00:57:24,519 the right recipe, you could just tell a robot how 1052 00:57:24,559 --> 00:57:26,440 to do it, and now the robot's cranking out little 1053 00:57:26,440 --> 00:57:27,199 work left and right. 1054 00:57:28,199 --> 00:57:29,880 Speaker 4: But a robot doesn't have a soul and it can't 1055 00:57:29,920 --> 00:57:31,880 be purified, so it's not pure of soul. So therefore 1056 00:57:31,880 --> 00:57:34,320 it would never work. And that's the thing that's. 1057 00:57:34,199 --> 00:57:38,280 Speaker 2: That's the that's the un uncontrolled variable. I guess you 1058 00:57:38,280 --> 00:57:41,440 could say, where you need to be pure of heart, 1059 00:57:41,519 --> 00:57:44,320 how do you measure that? How do you measure pureness 1060 00:57:44,320 --> 00:57:44,719 of heart? 1061 00:57:44,760 --> 00:57:45,320 Speaker 4: I don't know. 1062 00:57:46,159 --> 00:57:48,599 Speaker 3: Well, it sounds like the test is easy. It's whether 1063 00:57:48,679 --> 00:57:50,519 or not you can make an herbal stone. So I 1064 00:57:50,559 --> 00:57:53,679 actually challenge you on to make an herbal stone, and 1065 00:57:53,719 --> 00:57:56,360 if you're unable to, it proves that you are not pure. 1066 00:57:56,199 --> 00:57:57,840 Speaker 4: Of heart, and that I don't care about the truth. 1067 00:57:57,920 --> 00:58:00,760 Speaker 3: The capital t correct, but I mean, the book does 1068 00:58:00,800 --> 00:58:02,280 tell you to not care about the truth and just 1069 00:58:02,280 --> 00:58:04,519 care about money. 1070 00:58:04,679 --> 00:58:07,800 Speaker 2: Yes, and only those who are able to read between 1071 00:58:07,800 --> 00:58:11,280 the lines will truly extract the information that it's being 1072 00:58:11,360 --> 00:58:14,760 that is being conveyed within this book, So proceed with caution. 1073 00:58:14,880 --> 00:58:18,079 And again there's a lot of intricacies. And this book 1074 00:58:18,119 --> 00:58:22,960 is more of like a journal slash. It's got a 1075 00:58:22,960 --> 00:58:25,239 bunch of research papers in there as well, so it's 1076 00:58:25,239 --> 00:58:28,480 not your traditional book, right, it's more like some of. 1077 00:58:28,480 --> 00:58:30,800 Speaker 3: The claims he makes though, I mean, it makes it 1078 00:58:30,880 --> 00:58:33,559 sound like, be careful, you're going to learn how to 1079 00:58:33,599 --> 00:58:35,519 make a real homunculus, You're going to learn how to 1080 00:58:35,559 --> 00:58:39,199 do all of these alchemical and then he he gets 1081 00:58:39,360 --> 00:58:42,519 very specific on some of the claims, where, oh, you 1082 00:58:42,599 --> 00:58:45,360 have to use like a six neutral molecule in this sequence, 1083 00:58:45,320 --> 00:58:46,960 and of course you know you would have to know 1084 00:58:47,000 --> 00:58:49,199 all this. But then on the very next page he's 1085 00:58:49,239 --> 00:58:52,119 talking about how someone poop pooed his ideas. Yeah, and 1086 00:58:52,119 --> 00:58:56,719 I've just never seen someone jump from like Philosopher's Stone, 1087 00:58:57,039 --> 00:59:00,639 like you know, self enlightenment to talking about chemistry to 1088 00:59:00,719 --> 00:59:01,840 them talking about poo poo. 1089 00:59:02,880 --> 00:59:04,679 Speaker 2: Let's let's give the people what they want they want 1090 00:59:04,719 --> 00:59:06,880 to learn about the water work that people want to 1091 00:59:06,920 --> 00:59:08,880 try it out, they want to be at home, they 1092 00:59:08,920 --> 00:59:11,400 want to collect the rain water, they want to electrify it. 1093 00:59:12,360 --> 00:59:14,840 Speaker 3: Let's show the picture again just so that you know 1094 00:59:14,960 --> 00:59:19,000 what a master someone that made three or four different 1095 00:59:19,800 --> 00:59:24,400 little works herbal stones, and then finally this was I 1096 00:59:24,400 --> 00:59:28,239 guess this is like intermediary to creating a legitmunculus that 1097 00:59:28,280 --> 00:59:32,800 if you do this Hermi's golden chain water work thing 1098 00:59:32,920 --> 00:59:35,039 that it's kind of a light. 1099 00:59:36,559 --> 00:59:44,480 Speaker 2: Ye, Hermes Hermeis and Homer Homies Homie's golden chain, Tomy's 1100 00:59:44,519 --> 00:59:45,400 golden Is that what. 1101 00:59:45,360 --> 00:59:46,800 Speaker 4: That sound was about? Dosio chain? 1102 00:59:46,920 --> 00:59:47,159 Speaker 2: Hang? 1103 00:59:47,280 --> 00:59:47,480 Speaker 3: Though? 1104 00:59:47,639 --> 00:59:49,440 Speaker 4: Does it was that? 1105 00:59:49,159 --> 00:59:54,400 Speaker 3: That was actually about alchemical works out of electrified rain water? 1106 00:59:54,480 --> 00:59:54,920 For sure? 1107 00:59:55,719 --> 00:59:58,159 Speaker 2: All right, so all right, that's that's what we're looking 1108 00:59:58,159 --> 01:00:00,000 at there. Are you sure that's the right picture? 1109 01:00:00,039 --> 01:00:00,280 Speaker 4: Sure? 1110 01:00:01,320 --> 01:00:04,440 Speaker 3: One hundred percent. I'm one hundred percent that this is 1111 01:00:04,480 --> 01:00:09,840 the photo that they took of this particular crustacean water 1112 01:00:09,880 --> 01:00:13,000 where I don't even know if this is a homunculus 1113 01:00:13,159 --> 01:00:15,679 in the same way again, it's like leading into this 1114 01:00:15,760 --> 01:00:19,400 is SPOUSI yeah, its spontaneous generator. 1115 01:00:19,639 --> 01:00:21,880 Speaker 2: I would call it a homunculous slide. I guess you 1116 01:00:21,920 --> 01:00:26,800 could because you made it spontaneously through this all chemical process. 1117 01:00:26,920 --> 01:00:29,559 Speaker 3: This is this is the K two homunculus. Maybe in 1118 01:00:29,599 --> 01:00:32,000 a way, Yeah, it's not as cool. I mean claims 1119 01:00:32,039 --> 01:00:35,320 to have made a real homunculus, or at least a 1120 01:00:35,400 --> 01:00:37,800 portion of a real homunculus. They just turned into like 1121 01:00:37,840 --> 01:00:43,239 a grotesque humanoid, kind of like bloody figure. But his 1122 01:00:43,480 --> 01:00:47,440 camera was like a little bit wonkey when yeah, he 1123 01:00:47,519 --> 01:00:49,679 just couldn't get it to focus on this thing. And 1124 01:00:49,679 --> 01:00:51,960 and it makes sense, though, It makes sense that you 1125 01:00:52,000 --> 01:00:56,159 would spend four or five decades of your life focused 1126 01:00:56,159 --> 01:00:59,719 on this one grand experiment, and then once you found 1127 01:00:59,800 --> 01:01:03,239 some excess with this grand experiment, you would try to 1128 01:01:03,280 --> 01:01:05,519 take a couple of pictures, see that they were going 1129 01:01:05,559 --> 01:01:07,280 to be out of focus, and then just give up. 1130 01:01:07,559 --> 01:01:09,039 That seems like something I would do too. 1131 01:01:09,440 --> 01:01:12,920 Speaker 2: So I'm gonna walk you guys through what the water 1132 01:01:13,000 --> 01:01:15,559 work is and then we'll get into the homunculus. So 1133 01:01:15,719 --> 01:01:18,880 the analytical technique applying to the water work in the 1134 01:01:18,920 --> 01:01:23,440 Golden Chain of Homer take a quantity of dew, rain, snow, 1135 01:01:23,519 --> 01:01:27,039 or hail if you like. But the most expeditious way 1136 01:01:27,159 --> 01:01:30,159 is if you can take rain water from a thundershower, 1137 01:01:30,280 --> 01:01:34,679 receive it into clean glazed vessels, and filter it in 1138 01:01:34,840 --> 01:01:38,920 order to separate the dirt from it, which intermixes from 1139 01:01:38,960 --> 01:01:42,719 the roofs of houses, and will, afterfiltration have a clear, 1140 01:01:43,119 --> 01:01:46,719 crystalline water of no particular taste, in fact, a fine 1141 01:01:46,800 --> 01:01:50,199 clear water, fit to be used like any other fine water. 1142 01:01:51,000 --> 01:01:54,880 Place this collected water in a warm garret where neither 1143 01:01:54,960 --> 01:01:58,400 the sun nor moon can shine upon it. Cover the 1144 01:01:58,480 --> 01:02:01,159 vessels with a linen cloth to prevent the dust from 1145 01:02:01,159 --> 01:02:05,599 getting into it. Let it stand a month unmoved, and 1146 01:02:05,679 --> 01:02:08,000 if the place is warm enough, you will by this 1147 01:02:08,079 --> 01:02:11,960 time perceive an alteration in the water, because this water begins, 1148 01:02:12,039 --> 01:02:15,719 by the power of the implanted spirit, to grow warm, 1149 01:02:15,800 --> 01:02:21,039 although imperceptibly, and to break. It begins to ferment and 1150 01:02:21,119 --> 01:02:24,719 putrefy and acquire a bad smell, and you will observe 1151 01:02:24,760 --> 01:02:28,760 that it becomes too turbid, although it was perfectly clear 1152 01:02:28,800 --> 01:02:33,199 at first, and a brown spongy earth ascend swimming at 1153 01:02:33,239 --> 01:02:37,360 the top, which increases daily and from its weight falls 1154 01:02:37,400 --> 01:02:43,800 to the bottom. So this is essentially taking water putrefying 1155 01:02:43,840 --> 01:02:48,480 it in this soapy, foamy thing. At the stop here 1156 01:02:48,519 --> 01:02:52,400 you see a separation occasioned by the ingrafted spirit of 1157 01:02:52,440 --> 01:02:56,239 the gross from the subtle. The separated earth is brown, 1158 01:02:56,800 --> 01:03:00,639 spongy or like wool, slimy and slippery. In this slimy 1159 01:03:00,679 --> 01:03:05,559 earth is the universal gurr of nature. And that's what 1160 01:03:05,599 --> 01:03:10,039 we're looking for, Okay. The gurr, the preademic earth is 1161 01:03:10,079 --> 01:03:13,000 the base material from which the three kingdoms of nature, 1162 01:03:13,679 --> 01:03:18,559 the minneral, vegetable, and animal, are created. Okay, So that's 1163 01:03:18,559 --> 01:03:22,320 what we're looking for. This this gurr that comes from 1164 01:03:22,400 --> 01:03:26,239 essentially this electrified rain water. And then if you let 1165 01:03:26,320 --> 01:03:28,559 it sit, you know, some in some places I saw 1166 01:03:28,559 --> 01:03:31,000 one hundred and twenty five gallons and another time he 1167 01:03:31,039 --> 01:03:32,440 said two hundred gallons. 1168 01:03:33,639 --> 01:03:34,039 Speaker 4: I don't know. 1169 01:03:34,079 --> 01:03:36,599 Speaker 2: And then if you have acid rain, then you have 1170 01:03:36,639 --> 01:03:40,039 to distill it and then re electrify it. You have 1171 01:03:40,079 --> 01:03:43,079 to get a certain pH so it can get a 1172 01:03:43,079 --> 01:03:45,559 little wonky, especially if we try it modern day because 1173 01:03:45,599 --> 01:03:47,639 of all the pollution and everything that's in the air. 1174 01:03:49,000 --> 01:03:53,480 Speaker 3: So he claimed that a simple vandigraph machine could help 1175 01:03:53,599 --> 01:03:57,159 purify it in a way, which I just found interesting 1176 01:03:57,239 --> 01:04:00,800 because maybe when in an early nineteen eighties, when he 1177 01:04:00,920 --> 01:04:03,679 was doing this work, a vandigraph might have been fairly 1178 01:04:04,239 --> 01:04:05,880 novel and like hard to get a hold of. But 1179 01:04:05,960 --> 01:04:08,400 you can go on Amazon and get a vandigraph machine 1180 01:04:08,480 --> 01:04:10,360 right now for like sixty bucks. 1181 01:04:12,159 --> 01:04:15,519 Speaker 2: For sixty dollars, you're that much closer to creating homeculous 1182 01:04:15,599 --> 01:04:16,800 improving everybody. 1183 01:04:16,880 --> 01:04:17,079 Speaker 4: Right. 1184 01:04:17,440 --> 01:04:20,280 Speaker 2: So here he gets into you know, in the Golden 1185 01:04:20,320 --> 01:04:22,800 Chain of Homework, it talked about it. You can collect 1186 01:04:22,840 --> 01:04:26,039 it from the roofs. But then if on today's standards, 1187 01:04:26,079 --> 01:04:29,039 there's a lot of buildings that are grounded, so you know, 1188 01:04:29,400 --> 01:04:31,920 if it touches your roof, it's gonna get decharged. 1189 01:04:31,960 --> 01:04:33,960 Speaker 4: So that wouldn't work. So hence, the water. 1190 01:04:33,800 --> 01:04:36,320 Speaker 2: Collector from such structures retain its electrical charge and was 1191 01:04:36,360 --> 01:04:40,480 suitable for the experiment in that time period. So make 1192 01:04:40,559 --> 01:04:43,039 sure that you don't get it from your rooftop because 1193 01:04:43,039 --> 01:04:45,960 it can get contaminated. As a consequence, rainwater collected from 1194 01:04:45,960 --> 01:04:50,119 buildings in present day would lack the critical electric charge component. 1195 01:04:50,639 --> 01:04:54,800 Speaker 4: YadA, YadA, YadA. So then he gets here, or he. 1196 01:04:54,960 --> 01:04:57,960 Speaker 2: Tells you if a murky reddish brown substance remains in 1197 01:04:58,000 --> 01:05:01,440 the distillation flask, the presence of a rain can be suspected, 1198 01:05:01,960 --> 01:05:05,840 requiring all the rain water to be distilled prior to putrefaction. 1199 01:05:06,599 --> 01:05:09,519 In this way, a contaminant free gur can be a shirt. 1200 01:05:09,639 --> 01:05:13,440 So if you have contaminated gurr, it's not gonna work. 1201 01:05:13,519 --> 01:05:16,360 So if you're if your neighbors are watching you constantly 1202 01:05:16,440 --> 01:05:19,840 boil this water you collected in your backyard over and 1203 01:05:19,880 --> 01:05:22,559 over again. They might not know about this process, but 1204 01:05:22,599 --> 01:05:24,079 just let them know that you're about to make a 1205 01:05:24,079 --> 01:05:27,480 homunculus with contaminant free gurr. 1206 01:05:27,599 --> 01:05:30,320 Speaker 4: Okay, so uh, you. 1207 01:05:30,239 --> 01:05:32,039 Speaker 2: Know, he gets into the whole thing, right, the van 1208 01:05:32,119 --> 01:05:36,920 de graph generator to charge the water. So the steps 1209 01:05:36,960 --> 01:05:40,880 are water collection. Here we have one hundred and twenty 1210 01:05:40,880 --> 01:05:43,599 five gallons. I've seen two hundred, so we don't know. 1211 01:05:44,480 --> 01:05:47,960 The next step is putrefaction. Once you make sure that 1212 01:05:47,960 --> 01:05:52,039 that one hundred and twenty five gallons of water is uncontaminated, 1213 01:05:52,039 --> 01:05:53,920 you have to let it putrefy and that's when you're 1214 01:05:53,920 --> 01:05:56,320 gonna get this little gurr. And then you have the 1215 01:05:56,360 --> 01:06:01,639 electrif electricrification if you have to re electric uh, and 1216 01:06:01,679 --> 01:06:06,280 then the ger production. So one hundred and twenty five 1217 01:06:06,280 --> 01:06:08,679 gallons of distilled an electrified rainwater was placed in ten 1218 01:06:08,719 --> 01:06:11,360 plastic food grade containers, each with a capacity of fifteen 1219 01:06:11,360 --> 01:06:14,639 gallons two controls were established. So then he did like 1220 01:06:14,719 --> 01:06:18,360 these controlled experiments, like he got some from the roof 1221 01:06:18,400 --> 01:06:20,920 of the house that was not filtered, that was filtered 1222 01:06:20,920 --> 01:06:23,000 but not electrified, and then he did another one that 1223 01:06:23,519 --> 01:06:25,320 it was filtered and electrified. 1224 01:06:25,599 --> 01:06:27,079 Speaker 4: Right, so he's like trying to find it. 1225 01:06:27,119 --> 01:06:27,400 Speaker 3: Here. 1226 01:06:28,039 --> 01:06:31,119 Speaker 2: He tells you the controls seventy five to eighty five 1227 01:06:31,159 --> 01:06:35,679 degrees for ninety days, and then he talks about his conclusions. 1228 01:06:35,760 --> 01:06:39,280 The ten containers which had been distilled and electrified showed 1229 01:06:39,320 --> 01:06:42,920 a thirty nine percent per container higher yield of ger 1230 01:06:43,079 --> 01:06:46,119 when compared to control two, and a fifty one percent 1231 01:06:46,199 --> 01:06:48,639 higher yield per container one compared to control one. 1232 01:06:49,239 --> 01:06:51,840 Speaker 4: So, uh, if you collect. 1233 01:06:51,519 --> 01:06:55,920 Speaker 2: The ten gallons from the roof that was filtered and electrified, 1234 01:06:56,400 --> 01:07:02,280 you get fifty one percent more yield. So purification is key, 1235 01:07:02,679 --> 01:07:05,280 Filtration is key. Make sure that whenever you're taking this 1236 01:07:05,400 --> 01:07:08,719 water it's as pure as can be, and got to 1237 01:07:08,719 --> 01:07:09,719 make sure it's electrified. 1238 01:07:10,199 --> 01:07:15,239 Speaker 4: So he did a total thirty seven experiments over a 1239 01:07:15,360 --> 01:07:16,559 three year period. 1240 01:07:17,360 --> 01:07:21,360 Speaker 2: Okay, and he only succeeded on the thirty fifth, thirty six, 1241 01:07:21,440 --> 01:07:26,719 and thirty seventh experiment and then he stopped and then yeah, 1242 01:07:26,719 --> 01:07:27,480 and then he stopped. 1243 01:07:28,119 --> 01:07:30,400 Speaker 3: That's the wildest part to me, that if I did 1244 01:07:30,400 --> 01:07:33,320 something forty times and it only worked the last three times, 1245 01:07:33,360 --> 01:07:35,800 that I would just do it those last three and 1246 01:07:35,800 --> 01:07:38,119 then be like, all right, I guess I've learned everything 1247 01:07:38,119 --> 01:07:40,519 there is to learn. Here it's time to And I 1248 01:07:40,599 --> 01:07:44,920 never fixed my camera with the out of focused lens. 1249 01:07:45,440 --> 01:07:50,199 Speaker 2: So that's the water work. Now, according to this, and 1250 01:07:50,239 --> 01:07:54,000 according to fred er Albertus, you need the ger You 1251 01:07:54,039 --> 01:07:56,639 need a substantial amount of girl, which we'll give you 1252 01:07:56,679 --> 01:08:01,519 the exact amount here, and with that gerr is what 1253 01:08:01,639 --> 01:08:05,280 you are presenting in the you know, the homunculous experiment 1254 01:08:05,280 --> 01:08:07,960 in order to bring forth the honks. Now Here he 1255 01:08:07,960 --> 01:08:11,960 gets into the into the background of the homunculus and 1256 01:08:12,719 --> 01:08:16,800 why the idea came to be right, the preformationism that 1257 01:08:16,960 --> 01:08:19,800 all of sperm essentially was a little man first and 1258 01:08:19,840 --> 01:08:22,039 then it was like the things that you don't remember 1259 01:08:22,039 --> 01:08:23,399 as a kid, those things that you would put in. 1260 01:08:23,319 --> 01:08:24,800 Speaker 4: The water that would grow bigger. 1261 01:08:26,239 --> 01:08:28,680 Speaker 3: No, not shrimp brine, No. 1262 01:08:28,960 --> 01:08:31,039 Speaker 2: Those are sea monkeys. That's different. Those are the things 1263 01:08:31,039 --> 01:08:34,000 that you put into water. And there's like actual little organisms. 1264 01:08:34,479 --> 01:08:37,399 I'm talking about the little colorfied animals that you would 1265 01:08:37,399 --> 01:08:39,800 put into water and they would grow bigger. 1266 01:08:40,920 --> 01:08:42,960 Speaker 3: Oh, the little like sponges and the pills. 1267 01:08:43,039 --> 01:08:46,800 Speaker 2: Yeah, that's how people viewed Preformationism. Essentially, it was a 1268 01:08:46,800 --> 01:08:49,680 little you know, we all exist as little forms first 1269 01:08:49,680 --> 01:08:53,640 and then we grow into the big forms. Okay, now 1270 01:08:54,359 --> 01:08:57,880 here he talks about what you were mentioning earlier, that 1271 01:08:58,640 --> 01:09:03,279 some of the things in pair Celsus work the naturer rerum, 1272 01:09:03,359 --> 01:09:06,760 which essentially is the first time ever where the term 1273 01:09:06,800 --> 01:09:09,760 homunculus has used. That maybe some of the he was 1274 01:09:09,800 --> 01:09:12,920 either skipping steps or putting in wrong steps in order 1275 01:09:12,960 --> 01:09:14,840 to keep people out of it. And this he gets 1276 01:09:14,880 --> 01:09:18,239 into this whole thing here, and that the acronym will 1277 01:09:18,239 --> 01:09:20,640 be like what was that in all these other things? 1278 01:09:20,640 --> 01:09:23,880 And the water was that the sperm like all these 1279 01:09:24,039 --> 01:09:26,239 he was he was reading it over and over and 1280 01:09:26,279 --> 01:09:31,359 over again, trying to extract the true knowledge of what 1281 01:09:32,159 --> 01:09:33,600 the hell how. 1282 01:09:33,279 --> 01:09:34,000 Speaker 4: To make it right. 1283 01:09:35,039 --> 01:09:39,800 Speaker 2: So he talks about this other method here where this 1284 01:09:39,920 --> 01:09:42,359 dude was taking and egglated by a black hen, put 1285 01:09:42,439 --> 01:09:46,039 a tiny hole in it and inserted his semen and 1286 01:09:46,439 --> 01:09:50,800 the first day of the lunar march cycle. According to 1287 01:09:50,880 --> 01:09:53,000 the guy, a miniature humanoid figure would emerge from the 1288 01:09:53,000 --> 01:09:54,199 egg after thirty days. 1289 01:09:55,279 --> 01:09:56,880 Speaker 4: He talks about the man Drake. 1290 01:09:57,439 --> 01:10:02,159 Speaker 2: And how you could infuse that and make into a homunculous. 1291 01:10:03,399 --> 01:10:06,239 So he's talking about the basic, you know, homunculous type 1292 01:10:06,279 --> 01:10:06,600 of thing. 1293 01:10:06,720 --> 01:10:07,800 Speaker 4: And then he talks. 1294 01:10:07,560 --> 01:10:12,119 Speaker 2: About a friend of a friend in the Golden Dawn 1295 01:10:12,199 --> 01:10:20,000 that allegedly had a actual homunculus and that he saw 1296 01:10:20,000 --> 01:10:22,800 a picture. Of course, he doesn't include the picture, but 1297 01:10:23,439 --> 01:10:27,199 let's read that Heroal quick I detected frustration, et cetera, 1298 01:10:27,239 --> 01:10:30,279 et cetera. So I think I believe he was talking 1299 01:10:30,359 --> 01:10:35,159 to Regardi and why regard he was interested in this 1300 01:10:35,279 --> 01:10:38,760 homunculous work. So I detected his frustration not being able 1301 01:10:38,800 --> 01:10:41,479 to engage in such an experimental work himself, and at 1302 01:10:41,520 --> 01:10:43,239 the same time his desire to be filled in on 1303 01:10:43,399 --> 01:10:45,600 every part of the process, if indeed it could be 1304 01:10:45,680 --> 01:10:48,319 done at all. I got the very distinct impression he 1305 01:10:48,399 --> 01:10:50,319 was trying to relate the idea of the homunculus to 1306 01:10:50,359 --> 01:10:53,840 some type of closely guarded magical work, and so asked 1307 01:10:53,880 --> 01:10:55,800 him if this was the reason for his interest and 1308 01:10:55,880 --> 01:10:58,520 the feelings I detected from him during our lengthy discussions 1309 01:10:58,520 --> 01:11:01,039 on the issue. In a very thoughtful way, as if 1310 01:11:01,079 --> 01:11:03,760 being careful of what he said in the manner in 1311 01:11:03,800 --> 01:11:07,279 which he said it, he replied, well, there is something, 1312 01:11:07,479 --> 01:11:10,119 or rather there was, but it was a long time ago, 1313 01:11:10,159 --> 01:11:12,640 when I was in the Golden Dawn. To be frank, 1314 01:11:12,760 --> 01:11:15,079 my memory fails me on a lot of things these days, 1315 01:11:15,119 --> 01:11:18,399 of course, especially from so long ago. But as I recall, 1316 01:11:18,479 --> 01:11:21,159 I heard of one fellow who claimed to have made 1317 01:11:21,239 --> 01:11:24,640 it the homunculus, and who was working to raise it 1318 01:11:24,720 --> 01:11:28,479 properly back then. This was back in London. He was 1319 01:11:28,600 --> 01:11:31,640 a friend of one of our order members. So he 1320 01:11:31,800 --> 01:11:34,560 was a friend of a friend, but refused to join 1321 01:11:34,600 --> 01:11:37,399 the order itself. He said he didn't trust the chief 1322 01:11:37,439 --> 01:11:39,439 or the adepts of the Order and so wanted to 1323 01:11:40,000 --> 01:11:40,720 have none of it. 1324 01:11:41,279 --> 01:11:43,119 Speaker 3: But as I do even need to if you're already 1325 01:11:43,199 --> 01:11:45,680 making anculus, Yeah, do you need to join a club? 1326 01:11:45,680 --> 01:11:48,199 Speaker 2: One hundred percent? You don't need those people. You already 1327 01:11:48,199 --> 01:11:51,359 figured it out. You don't need that shit. So uh, 1328 01:11:51,399 --> 01:11:53,359 But as I said, he was a friend of one 1329 01:11:53,399 --> 01:11:56,640 of our group, of one of our group, and so 1330 01:11:56,760 --> 01:11:59,319 the two discussed it closely, or so I was told. 1331 01:11:59,800 --> 01:12:03,239 But that wasn't all, you know, how rumors are bound 1332 01:12:03,319 --> 01:12:05,680 in this business. So when I heard about it from 1333 01:12:05,720 --> 01:12:08,359 the other Order member, I didn't think too much about 1334 01:12:08,399 --> 01:12:12,239 it at the time, except to find it fascinating. Frankly, though, 1335 01:12:12,279 --> 01:12:14,560 I don't think I really believed any of it. But 1336 01:12:14,640 --> 01:12:17,399 then I was shown a photograph of it, one taken 1337 01:12:17,640 --> 01:12:21,319 by its maker. There was a yardstick directly behind the thing, 1338 01:12:21,359 --> 01:12:23,760 and it was only about ten inches tall. But I 1339 01:12:23,840 --> 01:12:26,560 have to tell you, it looked like a well formed, 1340 01:12:26,560 --> 01:12:30,720 perfect miniature human. It didn't look like any fake or 1341 01:12:30,760 --> 01:12:32,479 a doll or anything like that. 1342 01:12:32,840 --> 01:12:34,039 Speaker 4: No, it was so real. 1343 01:12:34,319 --> 01:12:37,279 Speaker 2: I felt that if I reached out and touched the photo, 1344 01:12:37,520 --> 01:12:41,800 I'd feel living flesh. You could see life in its eyes. 1345 01:12:41,840 --> 01:12:43,960 Like I said, it was no fake. Everything about it 1346 01:12:44,039 --> 01:12:46,720 was correct. It was so well proportioned. The head and fingers, 1347 01:12:46,800 --> 01:12:50,760 especially those tiny fingers looked just perfect at the right 1348 01:12:50,840 --> 01:12:54,720 length and so well fitted to that pee wee hand. Fascinating. 1349 01:12:55,359 --> 01:12:59,439 Speaker 3: So props to this guy that was strolling his friend 1350 01:13:00,079 --> 01:13:04,199 his friend's whole little like Golden Order lodge by like 1351 01:13:04,439 --> 01:13:07,640 making like a really convincing looking fake photo and just 1352 01:13:07,640 --> 01:13:09,960 being like, look, bro, no one could fake this. Look 1353 01:13:09,960 --> 01:13:12,119 at a photo, you know what I mean, And everyone 1354 01:13:12,239 --> 01:13:14,119 was just like, oh, my god, this guy knew how 1355 01:13:14,119 --> 01:13:15,079 to make a homunculus. 1356 01:13:15,119 --> 01:13:17,840 Speaker 2: Well, if we go back to that time, which is 1357 01:13:18,079 --> 01:13:22,159 this is probably the I don't know, early to mid 1358 01:13:22,239 --> 01:13:25,239 nineteen hundreds, you couldn't do photoshop. I mean, I'm sure 1359 01:13:25,239 --> 01:13:28,840 you could fake something, but hey, he was a friend 1360 01:13:28,840 --> 01:13:31,039 of a friend. Never saw except I saw the photo 1361 01:13:31,239 --> 01:13:32,319 and that's what it looked like. 1362 01:13:32,479 --> 01:13:36,279 Speaker 3: So what resolution was this photo? We're talking like a 1363 01:13:36,319 --> 01:13:37,600 twelve K digital photo. 1364 01:13:37,720 --> 01:13:38,119 Speaker 4: You don't know. 1365 01:13:38,159 --> 01:13:39,039 Speaker 3: You can like it. 1366 01:13:39,359 --> 01:13:43,319 Speaker 4: Like Polaroid, I don't know. 1367 01:13:43,399 --> 01:13:45,159 Speaker 2: This is again, this is the story. This is how 1368 01:13:45,199 --> 01:13:48,119 it goes. This is why regard he was so interested 1369 01:13:48,159 --> 01:13:50,800 in the concept. Since that day, I kept this memory 1370 01:13:50,840 --> 01:13:53,159 to myself, mostly because it was so strange and had 1371 01:13:53,199 --> 01:13:56,119 gotten myself in enough trouble by releasing the Golden Down material. 1372 01:13:56,600 --> 01:14:00,199 But what I was really intrigued with was the fact 1373 01:14:00,239 --> 01:14:03,159 that this fellow said there were magical techniques he was 1374 01:14:03,239 --> 01:14:06,880 using to raise it, raise and train it. Of course 1375 01:14:06,920 --> 01:14:09,279 this really pulled me in, but I never heard about 1376 01:14:09,279 --> 01:14:11,760 it or saw any more photos after that, as I 1377 01:14:11,880 --> 01:14:14,119 left the order a few months later. This is why 1378 01:14:14,119 --> 01:14:17,720 I'm interested. It's such a thing possible, and if it is, 1379 01:14:17,880 --> 01:14:21,439 does magic have any role in its upbringing. Really about 1380 01:14:21,479 --> 01:14:23,399 the closest I ever got to the subject was the 1381 01:14:23,439 --> 01:14:26,359 magical child. Right we discussed so many years ago, and 1382 01:14:26,439 --> 01:14:28,880 the paper I gave you on it. Now this is 1383 01:14:28,960 --> 01:14:33,520 talking about this allegedly paper that I'm sure we can't 1384 01:14:33,520 --> 01:14:37,680 find online, that regard he gave to Lushouski about this 1385 01:14:37,840 --> 01:14:40,520 magical child, and that whenever he. 1386 01:14:40,520 --> 01:14:43,199 Speaker 3: Was luonchild almost literally a moonchild. 1387 01:14:43,359 --> 01:14:44,800 Speaker 4: Yeah, and then whenever he was. 1388 01:14:46,680 --> 01:14:49,079 Speaker 2: So now that you're on the verge of actually attempting 1389 01:14:49,079 --> 01:14:51,439 this thing, well you can see why I'm so interested. 1390 01:14:51,920 --> 01:14:52,520 Speaker 3: So then. 1391 01:14:53,840 --> 01:14:55,960 Speaker 2: Again he had given him a paper on how to 1392 01:14:56,039 --> 01:14:58,840 raise this magical child, et cetera, et c. 1393 01:15:00,000 --> 01:15:02,560 Speaker 3: I think there was funny context because the context of 1394 01:15:02,640 --> 01:15:05,640 him giving this paper on the magical child is that 1395 01:15:07,520 --> 01:15:11,000 Lashevski at a couple parts in this book are like, 1396 01:15:11,560 --> 01:15:13,520 you know, I have I've got a wife, but we 1397 01:15:13,600 --> 01:15:16,039 decide not to have a kid because there's just there's 1398 01:15:16,039 --> 01:15:18,640 just no time for the kid with all of this, 1399 01:15:18,760 --> 01:15:21,439 like important lab work and all of my professional life. 1400 01:15:21,920 --> 01:15:24,960 Yet this guy spends forty years trying to make like 1401 01:15:25,000 --> 01:15:27,199 a homunculus. And then I think at a certain point 1402 01:15:27,640 --> 01:15:31,560 Israel Regardi is like look dude, like he spent four 1403 01:15:31,680 --> 01:15:34,520 decades in the lab with a bunch of other dudes. 1404 01:15:34,560 --> 01:15:36,560 Why don't you just go and have a kid with 1405 01:15:36,600 --> 01:15:38,680 your wife and just do one of these Like I 1406 01:15:38,760 --> 01:15:40,920 almost feel that he was nudging him along, like he 1407 01:15:41,000 --> 01:15:43,600 knew that it wasn't a moonchild or a magical child. 1408 01:15:44,000 --> 01:15:45,920 He was like, bro, like you can't keep saying that 1409 01:15:45,960 --> 01:15:49,279 you're too busy, Like, just go and take care of business. 1410 01:15:49,960 --> 01:15:53,800 Speaker 2: So now we step into a conversation between Lashouski and 1411 01:15:54,000 --> 01:15:58,520 freder Albertus, and it was the conspiracy was that freder 1412 01:15:58,520 --> 01:16:02,600 Albertus was pushing Lashuiski to do it because of his 1413 01:16:02,680 --> 01:16:06,720 moral compass and that he had at one point, according 1414 01:16:06,760 --> 01:16:10,600 to Regard, he achieved the work and got far enough, 1415 01:16:10,640 --> 01:16:14,239 but couldn't finish it because of his moral views. Okay, 1416 01:16:14,319 --> 01:16:19,119 so now this is a conversation between freder Albertas and 1417 01:16:19,680 --> 01:16:22,680 Lashouski where he calls him up on the phone and 1418 01:16:22,720 --> 01:16:25,439 he's like, hey, you know he agreed and asked me 1419 01:16:25,479 --> 01:16:28,159 to teleughh on him that Sunday evening for quote, what 1420 01:16:28,199 --> 01:16:30,680 will be a long and hard discussion. It is time 1421 01:16:30,720 --> 01:16:33,520 you begin the work. Just make certain you have enough 1422 01:16:33,600 --> 01:16:35,880 of the girl left the rest. You can take care 1423 01:16:35,960 --> 01:16:39,720 easily enough. So this is before the call that they 1424 01:16:39,800 --> 01:16:43,960 had where he breaks everything down for Lashouski and tells 1425 01:16:44,039 --> 01:16:45,880 him exactly what he's got to do, how he's got 1426 01:16:45,920 --> 01:16:46,319 to do it. 1427 01:16:47,600 --> 01:16:48,720 Speaker 4: Okay, so. 1428 01:16:52,560 --> 01:16:54,520 Speaker 3: Okay, this is basically him just telling him how he 1429 01:16:54,560 --> 01:16:55,600 needs to bang his wife. 1430 01:16:56,079 --> 01:16:59,039 Speaker 2: Yeah, so I then then I contemplated his remaining console 1431 01:16:59,039 --> 01:17:00,920 on the matter. Regardless of the these conditions, the creature 1432 01:17:00,960 --> 01:17:03,039 had existed and only remains for an alchemist. But to 1433 01:17:03,119 --> 01:17:05,479 bring him up a process that is no more difficult 1434 01:17:05,479 --> 01:17:08,840 than which was used to generate him, This raising process, 1435 01:17:08,880 --> 01:17:12,319 and he's talking about paracelsis here. This raising process may 1436 01:17:12,319 --> 01:17:14,680 be accomplished by feeding the creature daily over a period 1437 01:17:14,760 --> 01:17:17,920 of forty weeks with the acronym of human blood. But 1438 01:17:18,000 --> 01:17:20,600 yet throughout this time, the forming creature must not be 1439 01:17:20,680 --> 01:17:23,399 removed from the dunghill on which he was formed. At 1440 01:17:23,439 --> 01:17:25,600 the end of this time, there will be a living child, 1441 01:17:25,680 --> 01:17:29,119 having every member as well as proportioned as any infant 1442 01:17:29,119 --> 01:17:32,039 born of a human woman, and he will be more 1443 01:17:32,359 --> 01:17:34,560 He will be smaller and more frail than a normal 1444 01:17:34,640 --> 01:17:38,039 human child, though, and will be and will require more 1445 01:17:38,079 --> 01:17:41,760 care and attention in his education with physical education being stressed. 1446 01:17:41,760 --> 01:17:45,319 So he's talking about Paracelsus and he's contemplating. He's like, 1447 01:17:45,399 --> 01:17:48,000 you know, what does all this mean? Somewhere in all 1448 01:17:48,039 --> 01:17:48,520 of this. 1449 01:17:48,600 --> 01:17:51,319 Speaker 4: It all came together, so you got to breakthrough. For now, 1450 01:17:51,399 --> 01:17:54,439 I saw the process of separation had been invoked during 1451 01:17:54,479 --> 01:17:57,399 the puture faction of the rain water which had produced gurr, 1452 01:17:57,760 --> 01:18:01,079 and the combination would occur when the man ill sperm, 1453 01:18:01,119 --> 01:18:03,560 my sperm would impregnate the mother gir. 1454 01:18:03,760 --> 01:18:09,520 Speaker 2: So the concept is you have this primordial substance, right, 1455 01:18:10,319 --> 01:18:14,239 and you have to introduce to it the living water 1456 01:18:14,399 --> 01:18:15,560 while still warm. 1457 01:18:16,000 --> 01:18:19,920 Speaker 3: Well, he describes it too that the ger and mother 1458 01:18:20,039 --> 01:18:22,119 earth is the salt. So the same way that you 1459 01:18:22,159 --> 01:18:25,239 were making the herbal stone, where the stone itself was 1460 01:18:25,279 --> 01:18:27,840 the salt, and then you had to put the mercury 1461 01:18:28,000 --> 01:18:31,159 onto the salt. This is now him saying like, okay, well, now, 1462 01:18:31,279 --> 01:18:34,399 since the gur is the salt, now the male, the 1463 01:18:34,520 --> 01:18:38,479 human being is the mercury, or produces the mercury. And 1464 01:18:38,520 --> 01:18:40,399 that's that was the other way that he kind of 1465 01:18:40,399 --> 01:18:42,039 described this alchemical equation. 1466 01:18:42,399 --> 01:18:43,479 Speaker 4: Yes, so. 1467 01:18:45,359 --> 01:18:50,279 Speaker 2: Albertus calls him and during that night telephone conversation, you 1468 01:18:50,359 --> 01:18:53,560 probably announced afraid of Alberta's the summer substance of his thesis. 1469 01:18:53,960 --> 01:18:56,720 Speaker 4: To my absolute delight, he confirmed it completely. 1470 01:18:57,279 --> 01:19:01,399 Speaker 2: I informed him I had seventeen grand girl left after 1471 01:19:01,560 --> 01:19:04,279 performing all of the water work, and that I prayed 1472 01:19:04,279 --> 01:19:07,279 this quantity would be sufficient for starting this work. So 1473 01:19:07,359 --> 01:19:10,000 this is where everyone take notes. He explained to me 1474 01:19:10,079 --> 01:19:13,199 that only four grams would be needed. So the waterwork 1475 01:19:13,199 --> 01:19:15,760 that we explained earlier, make sure you have at least 1476 01:19:16,239 --> 01:19:19,760 four grams of that, and that's all you're gonna need, 1477 01:19:20,119 --> 01:19:22,840 and you can save the rest for like more homunculous 1478 01:19:22,840 --> 01:19:26,000 down the road. So the four of the girl, four 1479 01:19:26,000 --> 01:19:28,600 grams of the gur, yes, which you have to dry, 1480 01:19:28,760 --> 01:19:31,960 and then you know, you kind of keep it in 1481 01:19:32,039 --> 01:19:33,359 like I guess a powdered form. 1482 01:19:33,399 --> 01:19:35,000 Speaker 4: I guess you would say, I don't know. 1483 01:19:35,640 --> 01:19:38,319 Speaker 2: Uh So he explained to me that only four grams 1484 01:19:38,319 --> 01:19:40,039 would be needed and that I should save the rest 1485 01:19:40,079 --> 01:19:42,880 for future trials. It will not be easy, he cautioned, 1486 01:19:43,279 --> 01:19:46,239 you will most likely suffer several false starts until you 1487 01:19:46,319 --> 01:19:50,239 get the hang of it, particularly with proper supplying. With 1488 01:19:50,359 --> 01:19:53,199 properly supplying the growing fetus with the acronym of blood 1489 01:19:53,199 --> 01:19:55,119 and air. So this is the other important part you 1490 01:19:55,119 --> 01:19:57,640 have to take into consideration. Make sure you eat a 1491 01:19:57,680 --> 01:20:01,399 healthy diet, that you're peer of heart, and. 1492 01:20:03,239 --> 01:20:04,119 Speaker 4: We'll explain the rest. 1493 01:20:05,359 --> 01:20:08,399 Speaker 2: For the rate at which blood flow is regulated is crucial, 1494 01:20:09,640 --> 01:20:11,319 as is the fact that the blood must. 1495 01:20:11,159 --> 01:20:13,880 Speaker 4: Come from you and from no one else. 1496 01:20:14,319 --> 01:20:16,920 Speaker 2: You are the father and must extend yourself in the 1497 01:20:16,920 --> 01:20:19,880 mechanical procedures of nurturing by controlling the rate of blood 1498 01:20:19,880 --> 01:20:24,119 flow to the fetus, just as the girl will nurture 1499 01:20:25,199 --> 01:20:29,640 by doing her part constantly throughout the gestation period. Controlling 1500 01:20:29,640 --> 01:20:33,479 the airflow will not be difficult, as you will see. 1501 01:20:33,680 --> 01:20:37,399 But controlling the blood flow, ah, there is the rub. 1502 01:20:37,880 --> 01:20:40,319 Yet you can do it with great care and diligence. 1503 01:20:40,359 --> 01:20:43,800 So again, the airflow to the fetus not going to 1504 01:20:43,840 --> 01:20:46,720 be your problem here, okay. Your problem is going to 1505 01:20:46,800 --> 01:20:51,359 be controlling the flow of blood that needs to come 1506 01:20:51,439 --> 01:20:54,199 from you, okay, And you have to do this first. 1507 01:20:54,359 --> 01:20:56,079 Speaker 3: So when I'm reading this, I'm just thinking, like the 1508 01:20:56,159 --> 01:20:58,359 dudess just having a hard time jerking off, And that's 1509 01:20:58,399 --> 01:21:00,880 what he's talking about, the blood, blood flow and the 1510 01:21:00,920 --> 01:21:03,279 pure thought like, because think about it, how hard would 1511 01:21:03,319 --> 01:21:06,920 it be to inseminate dirt. If all you had were 1512 01:21:06,960 --> 01:21:10,039 pure thoughts, you had to be absolutely pure. So like 1513 01:21:10,119 --> 01:21:12,560 you don't even have any material in the bank to 1514 01:21:13,000 --> 01:21:16,319 conjure up because you've been so pure your entire life. Yeah, 1515 01:21:16,399 --> 01:21:19,159 of course you're worried about blood flow at this very 1516 01:21:19,239 --> 01:21:20,560 important moment at the end. 1517 01:21:21,479 --> 01:21:25,000 Speaker 2: So yeah, the blood flow is very important. The airflow, 1518 01:21:25,239 --> 01:21:27,359 We're gonna let me just move my screens around here 1519 01:21:27,399 --> 01:21:32,520 a little bit. So we discussed the details of the experiment, 1520 01:21:32,520 --> 01:21:34,680 including the design of the vessel that would serve as 1521 01:21:35,039 --> 01:21:37,640 the womb for the creature. It was not so much 1522 01:21:37,680 --> 01:21:40,920 a difficult design as was the process behind its correct use. 1523 01:21:41,079 --> 01:21:44,119 For US Freight To explained to me, the apparatus is 1524 01:21:44,119 --> 01:21:47,560 not large. In fact, it stands no larger than six inches, 1525 01:21:48,119 --> 01:21:51,439 has two side arms for controlled airflow, and another side 1526 01:21:51,920 --> 01:21:54,640 arm for the injection of the acronym, which is the 1527 01:21:54,720 --> 01:21:57,359 which is only three inches in diameter. It must be 1528 01:21:57,399 --> 01:22:00,479 placed in a dunghill, as you correctly surmise, a sand bath, 1529 01:22:00,880 --> 01:22:03,600 and buried halfway up the vessel and left there undisturbed 1530 01:22:03,640 --> 01:22:06,319 for nine months. So again, you don't have to use 1531 01:22:06,359 --> 01:22:09,359 a dung hill. You can get a sand bath which 1532 01:22:09,399 --> 01:22:11,640 you can probably buy on ebear or Amazon for cheap. 1533 01:22:12,039 --> 01:22:15,119 And a sandbath is like this plate that you put 1534 01:22:15,119 --> 01:22:18,319 on it and it stays warm, right, so you have 1535 01:22:18,359 --> 01:22:22,399 to keep it at ninety eight point sixty So, taking notes, everyone, 1536 01:22:22,520 --> 01:22:25,279 ninety eight point six degrees fahrenheit the temperature of the 1537 01:22:25,359 --> 01:22:25,920 human body. 1538 01:22:26,199 --> 01:22:29,840 Speaker 3: Okay, does this imply that at some point in history 1539 01:22:30,840 --> 01:22:34,199 horse dung and cow dung stayed at ninety eight degrees 1540 01:22:34,239 --> 01:22:37,279 for more than a few hours, because it would almost 1541 01:22:37,279 --> 01:22:39,920 seem that if you've got horse or were they like 1542 01:22:40,000 --> 01:22:41,720 constantly replacing. 1543 01:22:41,119 --> 01:22:45,199 Speaker 2: Then so you fell for it, Thomas, You fell for 1544 01:22:45,359 --> 01:22:48,239 one of the traps because you're not supposed to use 1545 01:22:48,279 --> 01:22:50,279 a dung hill. You're supposed to use something else. You're 1546 01:22:50,279 --> 01:22:52,439 supposed to use an all chemical furnace or something to 1547 01:22:52,520 --> 01:22:55,920 keep the correct temperature. This is why alchemy is all 1548 01:22:55,960 --> 01:23:00,359 about mastering the flame and the temperature of the flame, 1549 01:23:00,399 --> 01:23:03,279 which is something that Israel regard. He couldn't figure out 1550 01:23:03,359 --> 01:23:06,640 on how to use the furnace that that Lushuiski had constructed, 1551 01:23:06,640 --> 01:23:09,000 and he couldn't figure out how to make the seventeinctures 1552 01:23:09,039 --> 01:23:12,920 because he couldn't control the temperature. And this is why 1553 01:23:13,279 --> 01:23:17,000 they call alchemy the religion of fire because you need 1554 01:23:17,039 --> 01:23:20,800 to master the fire and master the temperatures. So you 1555 01:23:20,920 --> 01:23:25,039 fell four Paracelsis as a cult blind by keeping it 1556 01:23:25,119 --> 01:23:27,399 in the dungh, you were never gonna succeed. 1557 01:23:27,079 --> 01:23:29,520 Speaker 4: Thomas because he was the tricky guy. 1558 01:23:29,640 --> 01:23:33,159 Speaker 2: He was a tricky guy, absolutely, So you have to 1559 01:23:33,239 --> 01:23:37,319 keep it there undisturbed for nine months. That is the 1560 01:23:37,359 --> 01:23:39,640 only part of the process that is incorrect. I suspect 1561 01:23:39,680 --> 01:23:41,880 Paracels and others who did this work purposely gave the 1562 01:23:41,920 --> 01:23:44,800 wrong figure here to stop the idle curious from attempting 1563 01:23:44,800 --> 01:23:45,279 this work. 1564 01:23:45,880 --> 01:23:46,880 Speaker 4: So we we. 1565 01:23:48,479 --> 01:23:51,760 Speaker 2: Unveiled the truth here on the Ocult Book Club by 1566 01:23:51,800 --> 01:23:53,720 telling you the truth of what you're supposed to do. 1567 01:23:54,000 --> 01:23:56,399 Speaker 4: Okay, Sam, expecting some. 1568 01:23:56,520 --> 01:24:00,119 Speaker 3: Like viewer submitted videos and pictures of whenever you you 1569 01:24:00,159 --> 01:24:02,199 jerk off into the dirt and you let it sit 1570 01:24:02,239 --> 01:24:04,640 in a sand bath for nine months, send us a 1571 01:24:04,680 --> 01:24:06,520 picture of what it looks like afterwards. 1572 01:24:07,039 --> 01:24:08,439 Speaker 2: It's got to be in the girl though. You can't 1573 01:24:08,439 --> 01:24:10,159 just jerk off onto sand and expect to. 1574 01:24:10,159 --> 01:24:12,199 Speaker 3: R right right what I mean? Yeah, I'm being like 1575 01:24:12,279 --> 01:24:16,359 pair of don't be so crude. I'm trying to bear well. 1576 01:24:16,560 --> 01:24:18,720 You know, I'm using dung instead of sand bath. 1577 01:24:18,960 --> 01:24:21,239 Speaker 2: Enough with the homo erotic stuff, right, let's get let's 1578 01:24:21,239 --> 01:24:24,199 get down to business, because uh it. In fact, I 1579 01:24:24,239 --> 01:24:26,720 suspect that this is why Paracelsius states the creature has 1580 01:24:26,760 --> 01:24:29,439 no body, will be transparent or invisible for forty. 1581 01:24:29,239 --> 01:24:32,319 Speaker 4: Days, yet must still be worked with. This is a ruse, 1582 01:24:32,600 --> 01:24:34,680 This is all of this is all a trick. This 1583 01:24:34,800 --> 01:24:36,279 is all a fasaw we figure it out. 1584 01:24:36,600 --> 01:24:39,479 Speaker 2: It takes every bit of nine months to create the creature, 1585 01:24:40,000 --> 01:24:43,239 as you were about to find out. Right, So he 1586 01:24:43,319 --> 01:24:46,760 tells them about you know, provide just enough air movement 1587 01:24:46,800 --> 01:24:49,199 to allow for refreshing air in the womb without disturbing 1588 01:24:49,239 --> 01:24:51,199 the fetus. The rate of air flow should be no 1589 01:24:51,279 --> 01:24:54,319 more than two feet per minute, so the forming fetus 1590 01:24:54,359 --> 01:24:56,760 is not disturbed, but it's still So take notes, everyone, 1591 01:24:57,199 --> 01:25:00,840 no more than two feet per minutent air rate. Okay, 1592 01:25:01,239 --> 01:25:04,079 and you're gonna get You're gonna get a beaker with 1593 01:25:04,239 --> 01:25:08,119 two inlets. Okay, You're gonna get a sandbath ninety eight 1594 01:25:08,159 --> 01:25:10,279 point six degrees. And this is all after you do 1595 01:25:10,319 --> 01:25:13,319 the water work and you collect at least four grams 1596 01:25:13,359 --> 01:25:18,439 of girl. Okay, So uh you'll be able to tell 1597 01:25:18,479 --> 01:25:21,720 the aeration is proceeding at the proper rate when small, 1598 01:25:21,800 --> 01:25:24,640 little lazy ripples appear and move across the surface of 1599 01:25:24,680 --> 01:25:28,479 the ger sperm combination. Also make certain that both the 1600 01:25:28,560 --> 01:25:32,239 rubber two vents remain open during the breathing cycle. This 1601 01:25:32,279 --> 01:25:35,000 allows the easy passage of airflow through the vessel, over 1602 01:25:35,039 --> 01:25:37,760 the fetus and out the exhaust port. This has to 1603 01:25:37,800 --> 01:25:41,159 be done every seventy two hours, no more, no less. Okay, 1604 01:25:41,199 --> 01:25:44,640 So you need to errate this thing every seventy two 1605 01:25:44,720 --> 01:25:47,640 Are you guys writing this down every seventy two hours, 1606 01:25:48,199 --> 01:25:51,960 No more, no less, okay, at a rate of two 1607 01:25:52,000 --> 01:25:56,960 feet per minute. To man, we're we're cooking with gas here. 1608 01:25:57,520 --> 01:26:01,399 There is something else, says a artists. There's a great 1609 01:26:01,479 --> 01:26:04,119 danger that the developing fetus will be contaminated with bacteria 1610 01:26:04,159 --> 01:26:06,359 from the outside during the aeration process. Each of the 1611 01:26:06,439 --> 01:26:09,479 rubber two vents or side arms on both sides of 1612 01:26:09,479 --> 01:26:12,359 the vessel must be fitted with a ball air lock, 1613 01:26:12,760 --> 01:26:15,239 the kind you use when fermenting your herbs for the 1614 01:26:15,239 --> 01:26:18,079 herbal stone. So again, you've already had this equipment, So 1615 01:26:18,159 --> 01:26:20,239 make sure you take the ball airlock and you put 1616 01:26:20,279 --> 01:26:23,039 them on the tubes that are that are coming out 1617 01:26:24,000 --> 01:26:27,119 of this vessel. You have to use it because even 1618 01:26:27,119 --> 01:26:29,119 though you aerate the fetus every three days, the vents 1619 01:26:29,199 --> 01:26:31,720 must remain open to the air at all times during 1620 01:26:31,760 --> 01:26:34,840 the nine month gestation process. Gases will be evolved by 1621 01:26:34,880 --> 01:26:37,800 the fetus during its development, and you will have to 1622 01:26:37,880 --> 01:26:41,079 vent the vessel without letting any contaminants in. And be 1623 01:26:41,199 --> 01:26:45,039 certain you use potassium by sulfight in the ball locks 1624 01:26:45,079 --> 01:26:47,840 to kill any bacteria or mold that might enter through 1625 01:26:47,880 --> 01:26:51,399 the open end of the locks. So sterility must be 1626 01:26:51,439 --> 01:26:54,359 a shirt. So okay, So get some potassium by sul fight. 1627 01:26:54,920 --> 01:26:56,319 Make sure you have some of that on I'm sure 1628 01:26:56,319 --> 01:26:57,680 you can find that on Amazon as well. 1629 01:26:58,600 --> 01:27:01,520 Speaker 4: And right here that's. 1630 01:27:01,359 --> 01:27:04,199 Speaker 2: Where he talks about the amount of acronym you have 1631 01:27:04,279 --> 01:27:08,359 to put in to it. So my concerns were now 1632 01:27:08,439 --> 01:27:11,479 with the regulating blood flow, so I impatiently interjected, how 1633 01:27:11,600 --> 01:27:14,119 is the flow of the acronym regulated? How often is 1634 01:27:14,159 --> 01:27:15,840 it supplied to the fetus? Make sure you guys write 1635 01:27:15,840 --> 01:27:18,960 this down. It is difficult. You will have to determine 1636 01:27:19,000 --> 01:27:22,760 the exact rate for your case yourself. As a general guideline, 1637 01:27:22,800 --> 01:27:26,560 only you will use the the the third side on 1638 01:27:26,720 --> 01:27:28,439 or the vessel for adding the acrem Okay, so I 1639 01:27:28,439 --> 01:27:32,079 guess there's three arms on this thing instead of two, 1640 01:27:32,159 --> 01:27:32,720 so we we. 1641 01:27:32,960 --> 01:27:36,359 Speaker 3: He mentioned that a lot of these experiments required custom 1642 01:27:36,439 --> 01:27:39,479 glass work that you couldn't just go and buy like 1643 01:27:39,560 --> 01:27:42,840 a regular pelican, you know, beaker for example, that you 1644 01:27:43,039 --> 01:27:44,600 might have to make your own for a lot of this. 1645 01:27:44,840 --> 01:27:46,760 Speaker 4: It's doable, it's dual. We can do this, we can 1646 01:27:46,800 --> 01:27:47,439 do this. Okay. 1647 01:27:47,479 --> 01:27:49,359 Speaker 2: So I guess there's a third side on or the 1648 01:27:49,399 --> 01:27:53,279 vessel for adding the acronym. Add it with a hypodermic syringe. 1649 01:27:53,439 --> 01:27:57,720 So you need a hypodermic syringe one hundred millimeters at 1650 01:27:57,800 --> 01:28:01,920 a time. This will have to be done every three 1651 01:28:02,079 --> 01:28:06,000 to seven days. You will have to determine that for yourself. Okay, 1652 01:28:06,600 --> 01:28:11,039 So let's recap here. You need a vessel with three arms, 1653 01:28:11,319 --> 01:28:13,840 you need the ball locks, you need to be able 1654 01:28:13,840 --> 01:28:17,199 to sterilize the ball locks, and you're gonna feed it 1655 01:28:17,279 --> 01:28:20,960 your blood one hundred milli liters at a time every 1656 01:28:21,000 --> 01:28:23,399 three to seven days. But but, but, but, but but 1657 01:28:24,159 --> 01:28:25,640 you're gonna have to You're gonna have to play it 1658 01:28:25,640 --> 01:28:28,600 by you a little bit. Okay, Your homunculus might require more, 1659 01:28:29,079 --> 01:28:31,000 depends on your diet, depends on all you know, your 1660 01:28:31,000 --> 01:28:32,479 health and all that stuff. So you're just gonna have 1661 01:28:32,520 --> 01:28:35,359 to figure it out. Excess blood will begin to pull 1662 01:28:35,359 --> 01:28:37,800 at the top of the girl. When that occurs, stop, 1663 01:28:38,439 --> 01:28:41,560 don't put any more blood. Okay, if you put too much, 1664 01:28:41,600 --> 01:28:45,279 it's gonna start to pull at the top. When all 1665 01:28:45,359 --> 01:28:48,680 the pool blood, When all of the pool acronym has 1666 01:28:48,680 --> 01:28:50,800 disappeared and the surface of the girl begins to take 1667 01:28:50,840 --> 01:28:54,439 on a dry appearance, more must be added. So you 1668 01:28:54,520 --> 01:28:57,199 got to keep it kind of moist. Okay, you got 1669 01:28:57,199 --> 01:29:00,720 to keep this little ball kind of moist, all right. 1670 01:29:00,520 --> 01:29:03,640 Speaker 4: But be careful. It is possible to add too much. 1671 01:29:03,960 --> 01:29:06,920 Speaker 2: Or add it too quickly, at which at which time 1672 01:29:06,920 --> 01:29:09,760 the fetus will literally drown in the acronym. That is, 1673 01:29:09,800 --> 01:29:12,479 in the very life of which the blood is the 1674 01:29:12,479 --> 01:29:17,039 only vehicle, life of which the blood is the only vehicle. 1675 01:29:17,119 --> 01:29:19,760 As you were taught in class, right, So again, if 1676 01:29:19,760 --> 01:29:23,920 you didn't go to the Paracelsus Research Society, don't worry 1677 01:29:23,960 --> 01:29:26,159 about any of that. Like, it's fine, we got you here. 1678 01:29:26,680 --> 01:29:29,159 Just make sure you take these notes and report back 1679 01:29:29,159 --> 01:29:32,319 to Thomas and I. Okay, shoot us an email report back. 1680 01:29:32,640 --> 01:29:35,920 Speaker 3: There's no excuse for anyone to not make a homunculus. 1681 01:29:36,000 --> 01:29:39,520 Now that the entire recipe is laid out for you, 1682 01:29:39,560 --> 01:29:42,079 there's there is no reason for you to not be 1683 01:29:42,119 --> 01:29:42,520 doing this. 1684 01:29:42,560 --> 01:29:45,319 Speaker 2: Already, exactly right. You better get on it as soon 1685 01:29:45,359 --> 01:29:46,520 as you finish this episode. 1686 01:29:46,560 --> 01:29:49,039 Speaker 3: So I've got one. I've actually got I have one 1687 01:29:49,039 --> 01:29:51,159 that I've been working on. It's about eight months along. 1688 01:29:53,000 --> 01:29:55,399 I was trying to shoot my camp. It's this is 1689 01:29:55,439 --> 01:29:58,840 the stupidest thing. My camera won't go into focus. Every 1690 01:29:58,840 --> 01:30:01,560 time I try and show it you. The camera like 1691 01:30:01,640 --> 01:30:04,399 keeps zooming in and out focusing on it. As soon 1692 01:30:04,399 --> 01:30:06,960 as as soon as I fix my camera, well, I'll 1693 01:30:06,960 --> 01:30:08,439 show you a picture of it. I'll do a full 1694 01:30:08,479 --> 01:30:12,119 live stream everything. I'll show you eating the blood. It's 1695 01:30:12,159 --> 01:30:13,199 just stupid camera. 1696 01:30:13,479 --> 01:30:17,399 Speaker 2: Next episode, dude, It's fine, I understand. Next episode where 1697 01:30:17,439 --> 01:30:17,760 we have. 1698 01:30:17,720 --> 01:30:19,079 Speaker 4: To be pure heart for this stuff. 1699 01:30:19,119 --> 01:30:23,239 Speaker 2: So here's where the experiments in Life and Death. And 1700 01:30:23,319 --> 01:30:32,079 this is the shoe Ski journaling his days creating this homunculus. Okay, 1701 01:30:32,920 --> 01:30:35,600 but as we will see, he didn't see it all 1702 01:30:35,600 --> 01:30:39,159 the way through. So day one, beginning of the experiment, 1703 01:30:40,600 --> 01:30:44,520 the girl was sterilized using a standard electron bombardment technique. 1704 01:30:45,640 --> 01:30:47,640 Don't worry about this, guys. You know you only need 1705 01:30:47,680 --> 01:30:50,720 fifty So this time, not at fifty thousand volts at 1706 01:30:50,720 --> 01:30:53,279 twenty five microamps, was using the generation of animals, but 1707 01:30:53,359 --> 01:30:59,920 twelve thousand volts at twelve milliamps. Okay, bombardment six out. 1708 01:31:00,640 --> 01:31:03,880 The vessel was also sterilized using twelve thousand volts of 1709 01:31:03,960 --> 01:31:09,720 AC exposure time six hours. So the ger is gonna 1710 01:31:09,760 --> 01:31:14,039 be a sterilized for six what is it? Six hours 1711 01:31:14,279 --> 01:31:19,399 at twelve thousand volts twelve milli ampers milli amps, and 1712 01:31:19,439 --> 01:31:22,319 then the vessel six hours at twelve thousand. 1713 01:31:22,760 --> 01:31:25,199 Speaker 3: That math checks out. I double checked all this math. 1714 01:31:25,439 --> 01:31:26,880 That does actually equal out. 1715 01:31:27,039 --> 01:31:30,439 Speaker 2: Okay, just making sure and my own fresh sperm to 1716 01:31:30,520 --> 01:31:33,359 impregnate the gur and the vessel sealed and placed in 1717 01:31:33,399 --> 01:31:35,960 a sand bath at ninety eight point sixty degrees. So 1718 01:31:36,640 --> 01:31:38,960 you take the ger after you're done sterilizing it, you 1719 01:31:39,039 --> 01:31:42,079 take the sperm and you put it in the sand 1720 01:31:42,119 --> 01:31:43,479 bath at ninety eight points. 1721 01:31:43,760 --> 01:31:45,680 Speaker 3: I hate to be a stickler here, but he never 1722 01:31:45,840 --> 01:31:50,640 specifies the amount of sperm needed because I mean, I assume, 1723 01:31:50,760 --> 01:31:53,880 like some people are producers and some people might just 1724 01:31:54,079 --> 01:31:55,920 one producer, tiny. 1725 01:31:55,680 --> 01:31:59,359 Speaker 4: Little bit one shot, right, but I. 1726 01:31:59,319 --> 01:32:02,680 Speaker 3: Mean even a shot bro his shot is different kind 1727 01:32:02,720 --> 01:32:05,520 of anyway. Anyways, this was one of those other like 1728 01:32:05,640 --> 01:32:08,000 read between the lines like you have. If you're pure, 1729 01:32:08,039 --> 01:32:10,279 you can't reveal all the secrets what you're making here. 1730 01:32:10,520 --> 01:32:12,079 Speaker 2: Yeah, you can't review all the secrets. You know what 1731 01:32:12,079 --> 01:32:13,920 I'm saying. You're gonna have to play it by ear again. 1732 01:32:14,000 --> 01:32:16,479 So if you need more, just make sure you add more. 1733 01:32:16,600 --> 01:32:19,119 Speaker 4: Just just you know. Day ten. 1734 01:32:20,359 --> 01:32:23,159 Speaker 2: The girl was fed twice already, and errated twice as well, 1735 01:32:23,239 --> 01:32:24,600 both times on days. 1736 01:32:24,279 --> 01:32:26,479 Speaker 4: Four and eight. Freder was right. 1737 01:32:27,039 --> 01:32:29,960 Speaker 2: The grayish mass absorbs the acronym as such a rate. 1738 01:32:30,000 --> 01:32:33,680 I could hardly believe my eyes. There's no distinguishable features 1739 01:32:33,680 --> 01:32:36,279 in the girl yet. I suppose I expect to see 1740 01:32:36,319 --> 01:32:38,800 something like an embryo, but with this work, I am 1741 01:32:38,840 --> 01:32:39,319 not sure. 1742 01:32:39,840 --> 01:32:40,159 Speaker 4: Certainly. 1743 01:32:40,239 --> 01:32:42,039 Speaker 2: Freder was no help at all when I asked him 1744 01:32:42,079 --> 01:32:45,199 this question. He would not give me a straight answer there, 1745 01:32:45,199 --> 01:32:48,039 except to laugh and tell me, when you see what 1746 01:32:48,119 --> 01:32:50,640 you see, you will tell me. Then you will join 1747 01:32:50,720 --> 01:32:52,960 me in my knowledge, and this work will be carried 1748 01:32:53,000 --> 01:32:56,239 on to the next generation, whatever the hell that means. 1749 01:32:56,720 --> 01:32:59,720 All I see is a grayish lines. Bro you gotta 1750 01:32:59,720 --> 01:33:02,199 be pure heart. All I see is a grayish mass 1751 01:33:02,279 --> 01:33:04,720 lying on the bottom of the womb, and nothing more 1752 01:33:04,840 --> 01:33:07,560 except that the blood is absorbed by the mass and 1753 01:33:07,600 --> 01:33:11,199 the air is removed through the evacuation. Side arm of 1754 01:33:11,239 --> 01:33:14,319 the vessel has a very distinct sweet odor, like the 1755 01:33:15,079 --> 01:33:17,520 fragrance that arises from a field of flowers in the spring. 1756 01:33:17,960 --> 01:33:21,079 It certainly has not decayed as in the three previous experiments, 1757 01:33:21,600 --> 01:33:24,640 and it is at least something curious. So I guess 1758 01:33:24,680 --> 01:33:29,880 he failed three other times before this particular one that 1759 01:33:29,880 --> 01:33:33,279 we're on right now. So day thirty something is happening. 1760 01:33:33,319 --> 01:33:35,640 Six days ago I gave another feeding an aerration. The 1761 01:33:35,640 --> 01:33:38,520 odor coming from the vessel during the evacuation of the 1762 01:33:39,000 --> 01:33:42,720 aeration is so sweet as to be overpowering. So if 1763 01:33:42,720 --> 01:33:45,079 you're getting the sweet smell, you know you're on the 1764 01:33:45,159 --> 01:33:49,880 right track. If you get the smell of death, start over, okay, 1765 01:33:50,399 --> 01:33:52,000 don't don't continue to heart. 1766 01:33:51,920 --> 01:33:54,479 Speaker 3: Work or is that what he wants you to think? 1767 01:34:00,159 --> 01:34:03,920 Speaker 4: Right? Might be right? Only one way to find out, So. 1768 01:34:04,479 --> 01:34:06,520 Speaker 3: As if you come and you smell death, maybe you're 1769 01:34:06,560 --> 01:34:07,279 on the right track. 1770 01:34:07,680 --> 01:34:08,479 Speaker 4: Every step of the way. 1771 01:34:08,520 --> 01:34:11,680 Speaker 2: Guys, make sure you email us you know, every few 1772 01:34:11,760 --> 01:34:15,720 days and show us your findings, and make sure just 1773 01:34:15,760 --> 01:34:17,920 to check out check in with us. 1774 01:34:17,960 --> 01:34:23,439 Speaker 4: Okay. So it is to my sense sickeningly sweet. But 1775 01:34:23,479 --> 01:34:24,800 that is not all. That is not all. 1776 01:34:24,880 --> 01:34:27,239 Speaker 2: Using a bright light in a magnifying glass, I saw 1777 01:34:27,239 --> 01:34:30,760 what appeared to be tiny red lines in the GIRR markings, 1778 01:34:30,800 --> 01:34:33,000 if you will, the type one season a map, the 1779 01:34:33,000 --> 01:34:36,199 details of which are taken by a satellite from space. 1780 01:34:36,720 --> 01:34:39,000 It also appears that the grayish mass is turning a 1781 01:34:39,039 --> 01:34:42,079 deeper gray in color, and that a black spot the 1782 01:34:42,119 --> 01:34:44,239 size of a very small pa has appeared near the 1783 01:34:44,279 --> 01:34:47,079 top of the mass that is facing east in the 1784 01:34:47,159 --> 01:34:49,960 sand bath. I have my opinions or rather ideas here, 1785 01:34:50,000 --> 01:34:52,920 but don't want to prejudice my own mind with some 1786 01:34:53,000 --> 01:34:56,920 fanciful misgivings. Time alone will tell. So fifteen days later, 1787 01:34:57,279 --> 01:34:59,800 there's no question about it. The tiny red lines have 1788 01:34:59,920 --> 01:35:00,600 be come bigger. 1789 01:35:00,880 --> 01:35:01,079 Speaker 3: To me. 1790 01:35:01,199 --> 01:35:04,239 Speaker 2: They look like capillaries. The now dark grayish mass has 1791 01:35:04,239 --> 01:35:06,800 also taken on a shape. To me, it resembles a small, 1792 01:35:06,880 --> 01:35:10,000 curled up fetus. I cannot see any hands or appendages 1793 01:35:10,000 --> 01:35:13,119 of any kind, so simply note this. Additionally, the black 1794 01:35:13,159 --> 01:35:19,439 pea like structure has grown larger and more distinct. So 1795 01:35:19,439 --> 01:35:20,960 what do he says? As big as a pee? 1796 01:35:21,279 --> 01:35:22,199 Speaker 4: Is that? What is that? 1797 01:35:22,279 --> 01:35:26,920 Speaker 2: How we're the size of a very small pea? Grayish 1798 01:35:26,920 --> 01:35:29,119 mass turning deeper. Yeah, that's that's not very big. 1799 01:35:29,439 --> 01:35:32,399 Speaker 3: I imagine it's like when you crack open one of those eggs, 1800 01:35:32,439 --> 01:35:35,680 and like the egg might have been like not like you, 1801 01:35:36,039 --> 01:35:38,199 it was almost fertilized, and it has like the little 1802 01:35:38,560 --> 01:35:40,560 chunk of like a blood speck in it. I kind 1803 01:35:40,560 --> 01:35:42,399 of imagine that's what he's describing here. 1804 01:35:44,000 --> 01:35:44,359 Speaker 4: Sure. 1805 01:35:46,479 --> 01:35:50,720 Speaker 2: So Additionally, the black pea like structure has grown larger 1806 01:35:50,720 --> 01:35:52,920 and is a very glossy appearance, and it is fixed 1807 01:35:52,960 --> 01:35:55,760 in its position. The gird appears to be an eye 1808 01:35:55,880 --> 01:36:00,279 during its early formative stages. This is I remember remember 1809 01:36:00,319 --> 01:36:03,880 such things from my undergraduate zoology and biology classes. The 1810 01:36:03,920 --> 01:36:06,920 amount of the acronym required has also increased. Until I 1811 01:36:06,960 --> 01:36:09,039 see more progress, I will continue to call the grayish 1812 01:36:09,119 --> 01:36:13,279 mass just that a grayish mass. Having stated that the 1813 01:36:13,319 --> 01:36:16,319 grayish mass required the administration of one hundred and seventy 1814 01:36:16,880 --> 01:36:20,439 millimeters of blood every five days, an increase, so that that's, uh, 1815 01:36:21,319 --> 01:36:23,760 that's quite a bit more than what he was saying. 1816 01:36:23,800 --> 01:36:28,319 Here at one hundred three to seven, he's doing one 1817 01:36:28,439 --> 01:36:31,279 seventy every five days. 1818 01:36:31,600 --> 01:36:34,359 Speaker 3: Damn, do you think this is a humble brag? He's like, 1819 01:36:34,760 --> 01:36:37,119 if you just make like a normal homuncular, it might 1820 01:36:37,239 --> 01:36:39,399 drink one hundred millileaters of blood. But if it's like 1821 01:36:39,439 --> 01:36:42,840 one of my super humunks like these, these puppies are hungry. 1822 01:36:42,840 --> 01:36:43,720 These are one seventy. 1823 01:36:43,840 --> 01:36:45,640 Speaker 4: Yeah, these are a way. This is a one seventy. 1824 01:36:46,000 --> 01:36:47,560 Speaker 3: This is outside your weight class. 1825 01:36:48,560 --> 01:36:52,239 Speaker 2: As always, the blood simply disappears into the mass. After 1826 01:36:52,319 --> 01:36:54,359 four days, the outside edges of the mass begin to 1827 01:36:54,439 --> 01:36:57,199 dry out, but only lightly. But the fifth day there 1828 01:36:57,239 --> 01:36:59,640 is a gentle dry appearance on the surface of the mass. 1829 01:37:00,079 --> 01:37:01,399 This time I had further. 1830 01:37:02,600 --> 01:37:07,039 Speaker 4: Our canum. I've been saying it rono acronym our our canum. 1831 01:37:07,439 --> 01:37:10,000 Speaker 2: Thus I have the process of aeration or breathing, as 1832 01:37:10,000 --> 01:37:12,840 Freighter has termed the process down, as well as the 1833 01:37:12,880 --> 01:37:17,319 proper time between feedings, at least for now, for certainly, 1834 01:37:17,399 --> 01:37:19,920 as this mask grows. If it does grow any further, 1835 01:37:19,960 --> 01:37:22,640 I expect the times between aerrations and feedings to decrease. 1836 01:37:23,039 --> 01:37:25,520 My only concern is that I will be able to 1837 01:37:25,560 --> 01:37:28,600 supply enough of the arcanum. 1838 01:37:28,159 --> 01:37:29,920 Speaker 4: To keep the experiment going. 1839 01:37:29,960 --> 01:37:34,279 Speaker 2: So he's kind of doubting his abilities here to supply 1840 01:37:34,359 --> 01:37:38,279 this thing with enough of his blood, right because he's 1841 01:37:38,319 --> 01:37:39,479 kind of, you know, he's getting kind. 1842 01:37:39,359 --> 01:37:41,760 Speaker 4: Of old, kind of frail. Got to keep up. 1843 01:37:42,039 --> 01:37:45,279 Speaker 2: Make sure you stay hydrated, drink a lot of electrolytes 1844 01:37:45,279 --> 01:37:48,800 and everything, have good you know, breakfasts, lunch, and dinner, 1845 01:37:49,239 --> 01:37:52,159 and just make sure to keep it up. So day sixty, 1846 01:37:53,039 --> 01:37:53,720 there can be no. 1847 01:37:53,720 --> 01:37:54,199 Speaker 4: Doubt about it. 1848 01:37:54,279 --> 01:37:57,079 Speaker 2: The red marketings are capitularies are transparent, being given away 1849 01:37:57,079 --> 01:38:00,680 by concentrations of blood in them at different points as 1850 01:38:00,720 --> 01:38:04,399 the arcanum courses through them. Additionally, the pea like object 1851 01:38:04,439 --> 01:38:07,319 has losts its glossy color. It is now flat black 1852 01:38:07,359 --> 01:38:10,439 in appearance and has grown larger. I estimate it is 1853 01:38:10,520 --> 01:38:13,159 now the size of a large pea or even a 1854 01:38:13,199 --> 01:38:16,720 small bean. But there is something else as well. The 1855 01:38:16,840 --> 01:38:19,239 dark grayish mass has definitely increased in size over the 1856 01:38:19,239 --> 01:38:22,680 past ten days. I estimate it has increased its size 1857 01:38:22,680 --> 01:38:26,760 by thirty percent. The amount of blood required during feedings, however, 1858 01:38:26,840 --> 01:38:30,560 has remained the same, so one hundred millimeters every five days, 1859 01:38:30,760 --> 01:38:35,960 aerration every four days day ninety. There is so much 1860 01:38:35,960 --> 01:38:38,399 condensation inside the vessel. I cannot be sure about what 1861 01:38:38,439 --> 01:38:41,279 I'm seeing. No doubt the water content of the semen 1862 01:38:41,319 --> 01:38:44,399 and the sperm has given rise to this fog. Up 1863 01:38:44,479 --> 01:38:49,399 until five days ago. This condensation has remained at the 1864 01:38:49,439 --> 01:38:52,800 bottom one third of the vessel, not anymore. The entire 1865 01:38:53,119 --> 01:38:55,239 womb is so fogged up. I can't tell what's happening 1866 01:38:55,239 --> 01:38:58,760 with any certainty. Aerration and feedings have been going on 1867 01:38:58,840 --> 01:39:01,199 as normal, I trust, eating time, since the girl still 1868 01:39:01,279 --> 01:39:04,520 drives out over its surfaces, over its surface, or seems 1869 01:39:05,079 --> 01:39:08,159 to as best I could visually determine, just as before, 1870 01:39:08,560 --> 01:39:11,279 although I can't see the surface of the ger mass 1871 01:39:11,359 --> 01:39:14,520 very clearly due to the condensation. Freder told me to 1872 01:39:14,640 --> 01:39:18,159 just continue with things as usual. He said the condensate 1873 01:39:18,479 --> 01:39:22,199 should clear up shortly and then I quote would see 1874 01:39:22,199 --> 01:39:25,640 something wonderful unquote we shall see day. 1875 01:39:25,880 --> 01:39:27,560 Speaker 3: This part was a little bit crazy to me, and 1876 01:39:27,720 --> 01:39:29,840 I'm swear I'm not just trying to be cross about it. 1877 01:39:29,880 --> 01:39:34,520 But he says that he attributes the condensation to the semen, 1878 01:39:34,680 --> 01:39:37,399 that he added to it what like over a month 1879 01:39:37,439 --> 01:39:40,880 ago at this point. Yet he's been introducing one hundred 1880 01:39:41,119 --> 01:39:44,000 to one hundred and seventy milli liters of blood every 1881 01:39:44,079 --> 01:39:47,520 single day. Yet he thinks it's the moisture from his 1882 01:39:48,039 --> 01:39:51,359 semen from over a month ago that's still providing all 1883 01:39:51,399 --> 01:39:54,640 of the condensation and moisture in this entire environment. I 1884 01:39:54,720 --> 01:39:58,880 don't get that part of it unless he's also introducing 1885 01:39:59,039 --> 01:40:03,119 more semen like every day along with the feedings of blood. 1886 01:40:03,279 --> 01:40:05,479 Speaker 2: And it's making me think that the gurr is the 1887 01:40:05,560 --> 01:40:08,479 muddy water at the top that you skim off because 1888 01:40:08,479 --> 01:40:11,159 you need to at least, But then four grams would 1889 01:40:11,199 --> 01:40:14,279 you measure water? And would you say, like middle leaders, like, 1890 01:40:14,880 --> 01:40:17,720 there's still a lot that we don't it's not these 1891 01:40:17,840 --> 01:40:19,239 these instructions aren't very clear. 1892 01:40:20,239 --> 01:40:20,920 Speaker 4: We're gonna have to work it. 1893 01:40:21,239 --> 01:40:23,520 Speaker 3: Mine works, mine's working off. Oh my camera. Oh and O, 1894 01:40:23,640 --> 01:40:24,720 my camera just stopped working again. 1895 01:40:25,079 --> 01:40:27,680 Speaker 2: Well, we'll figure it out for the next stream, dude, 1896 01:40:27,720 --> 01:40:30,239 so you can show us though the homuncular So day 1897 01:40:30,359 --> 01:40:34,880 one twenty, the condensation cleared up fifteen days ago, and 1898 01:40:34,920 --> 01:40:36,680 it is now obvious that the mass is taken on 1899 01:40:36,720 --> 01:40:39,079 the shape of a crescent, although the points of the 1900 01:40:39,079 --> 01:40:41,840 crescent at the top and bottom are rounded somewhat more 1901 01:40:41,960 --> 01:40:42,960 like a distinct fetus. 1902 01:40:43,039 --> 01:40:45,840 Speaker 4: There seems to be some pulsing in it, but I 1903 01:40:45,880 --> 01:40:46,560 can't be sure. 1904 01:40:46,880 --> 01:40:49,520 Speaker 2: It's just too dark in the vessel, and the added 1905 01:40:49,600 --> 01:40:52,760 light I use only causes greater glare when trying to 1906 01:40:52,800 --> 01:40:55,720 make out such delicate vertical movements. So of course you 1907 01:40:55,760 --> 01:40:58,840 know you can't really see what's going on with the 1908 01:40:58,840 --> 01:40:59,840 glare and all that stuff. 1909 01:41:00,119 --> 01:41:01,640 Speaker 3: Yet at first one was the camera. Now it's a 1910 01:41:01,680 --> 01:41:02,800 lighting issue, I get. 1911 01:41:02,680 --> 01:41:05,920 Speaker 2: It, yeah, But there is something else also. I couldn't 1912 01:41:05,960 --> 01:41:08,199 believe my eyes, but Freighter told me it was the 1913 01:41:08,279 --> 01:41:10,840 something wonderful he told me about last month. There are 1914 01:41:10,880 --> 01:41:15,279 two tiny appendage like projections near the center of the mass, 1915 01:41:15,279 --> 01:41:17,880 and at the end of them what looks to be 1916 01:41:17,920 --> 01:41:23,000 even tinier small humps or bumps. These are quote arms 1917 01:41:23,039 --> 01:41:25,840 and hands. Those humps or bumps, as you call them, 1918 01:41:25,880 --> 01:41:30,880 are miniature fingers. You explained, aerration periods remain the same, 1919 01:41:30,920 --> 01:41:33,760 but the feeding time has increased, while the amount of 1920 01:41:33,920 --> 01:41:39,399 the arcanum arcanum arcanum whatever used to feed it has decreased. 1921 01:41:39,560 --> 01:41:43,720 Now only one hundred and thirty milli liters arcanum is 1922 01:41:43,760 --> 01:41:48,199 administered every seven days. So guys, adjust for the size 1923 01:41:48,199 --> 01:41:50,800 of your home. You're gonna learn the ways as you go. Okay, 1924 01:41:51,520 --> 01:41:54,199 it's a good thing too. It's getting difficult supplying the 1925 01:41:54,279 --> 01:41:57,760 life so often. My diet has changed to include mostly 1926 01:41:57,800 --> 01:42:00,760 red meats, and I started taking multi megas vitamins to 1927 01:42:00,840 --> 01:42:04,079 keep up with the demand. Still I feel fine. I 1928 01:42:04,119 --> 01:42:07,560 think my concern is more of a psychological matter than 1929 01:42:07,600 --> 01:42:09,680 it is a physical one. So can you also have 1930 01:42:09,760 --> 01:42:14,039 to psychologically prepare yourself for this because you're essentially growing 1931 01:42:14,039 --> 01:42:16,600 a homunculus, which is a huge undertaking, you know, if 1932 01:42:16,600 --> 01:42:17,199 you've really. 1933 01:42:17,520 --> 01:42:19,359 Speaker 3: Like your wife's asking you, like, what are you doing 1934 01:42:19,399 --> 01:42:21,880 in that shed back there today? Han, And you're just like, 1935 01:42:21,920 --> 01:42:22,479 I'm busy. 1936 01:42:22,800 --> 01:42:25,399 Speaker 4: I'm jerking off in the jars again. Damn it, leave 1937 01:42:25,399 --> 01:42:26,560 me alone, And I like to do that. 1938 01:42:26,720 --> 01:42:30,279 Speaker 3: He's kind of by proxy feeding his homunculus centrum silver. 1939 01:42:31,560 --> 01:42:36,159 Speaker 4: Yeah. Uh, well one of the amends. He's feeding it 1940 01:42:36,159 --> 01:42:36,439 as well. 1941 01:42:36,520 --> 01:42:38,439 Speaker 2: So it's gonna get you know, have all the the 1942 01:42:38,520 --> 01:42:42,159 multi vitamins and everything. So day one hundred and fifty 1943 01:42:43,159 --> 01:42:46,439 or we're almost there. Great progress has been made. There 1944 01:42:46,479 --> 01:42:50,119 is no cloudness or content in the vessel whatsoever. And 1945 01:42:50,159 --> 01:42:52,520 the dark grayish masses turned to a light gray, making 1946 01:42:52,560 --> 01:42:54,520 it fairly easy to see what's going on in the 1947 01:42:54,560 --> 01:42:57,680 vessel when a strong light is used. Clearly the appendages 1948 01:42:57,680 --> 01:43:01,159 are miniature arms and the ends possessed fingerl like gross. 1949 01:43:01,680 --> 01:43:03,560 The eye has a film over it, much like an 1950 01:43:03,600 --> 01:43:06,479 actual eyelet, and there is a pulsating up and down 1951 01:43:06,520 --> 01:43:06,920 in motion. 1952 01:43:08,000 --> 01:43:08,560 Speaker 3: And here you go. 1953 01:43:08,880 --> 01:43:11,359 Speaker 2: I've tried to take photographs of the creature using my 1954 01:43:11,479 --> 01:43:16,239 German PROTATICA. We're gonna look this up to a thirty 1955 01:43:16,239 --> 01:43:19,279 five millimeter camera outfit, but I cannot get the resolution 1956 01:43:19,439 --> 01:43:23,600 I need. Even the PL three close up lens cannot 1957 01:43:23,600 --> 01:43:26,119 resolve what is going on down at the bottom of 1958 01:43:26,119 --> 01:43:29,239 the vessel. At least I have the hand drawings I made. 1959 01:43:29,920 --> 01:43:31,680 That will have to be enough. I don't think we 1960 01:43:31,760 --> 01:43:33,439 ever found the hand drawings, right. 1961 01:43:34,920 --> 01:43:39,479 Speaker 3: I mean, we've got an actual photograph of the water work, 1962 01:43:39,600 --> 01:43:42,359 so yeah, I wouldn't trust a hand drawn image. 1963 01:43:42,960 --> 01:43:44,680 Speaker 2: Okay, So I see the kind of camera he used 1964 01:43:44,680 --> 01:43:47,680 heres like an old school kind of sort of that 1965 01:43:47,760 --> 01:43:52,000 with a thirty five millimeter lens. So I mean he 1966 01:43:52,039 --> 01:43:54,479 could have taken a picture of the setup, right, You 1967 01:43:54,479 --> 01:43:57,239 could have at least been able to tell what's going on. 1968 01:43:58,119 --> 01:44:00,000 I guess, Hey, I guess i'll ever know. But again, 1969 01:44:00,079 --> 01:44:01,960 the people listening now, they're gonna do, They're gonna try, 1970 01:44:01,960 --> 01:44:04,840 and're gonna send a picture, So that's all it really matters. 1971 01:44:05,119 --> 01:44:07,720 Speaker 3: Yeah, just don't use the Practica. 1972 01:44:07,920 --> 01:44:11,800 Speaker 2: Thirty five millimeter area or the pl three close up lens. 1973 01:44:11,840 --> 01:44:13,920 Speaker 4: Yeah, because you're not gonna get a good picture. Just 1974 01:44:14,000 --> 01:44:14,800 use your iPhone. 1975 01:44:15,119 --> 01:44:18,399 Speaker 2: So erration has continued according to schedule in the administration 1976 01:44:18,439 --> 01:44:21,880 of Arkenham has also dropped over the last thirty days. 1977 01:44:21,920 --> 01:44:23,880 Speaker 4: Not only ninety million liters. 1978 01:44:23,640 --> 01:44:26,800 Speaker 2: Of blood is required and still only every seven days. 1979 01:44:27,199 --> 01:44:30,560 It is strange though the mass has increased approximately fifty 1980 01:44:30,600 --> 01:44:34,920 percent over the and above the earlier thirty percent increase, 1981 01:44:35,000 --> 01:44:38,239 yet less blood is required. Further told me, you have 1982 01:44:38,319 --> 01:44:41,640 to remember that there has not been enough work done 1983 01:44:41,680 --> 01:44:44,199 in this area, so we won't. We don't know if 1984 01:44:44,199 --> 01:44:46,720 this is normal or not, but continue as on as 1985 01:44:46,760 --> 01:44:50,239 best you can. This seems to be an about face 1986 01:44:50,319 --> 01:44:52,920 for him. My interpretation is that he took this experiment 1987 01:44:52,960 --> 01:44:55,960 only so far as regarding speculated, and had to abort 1988 01:44:56,000 --> 01:44:59,319 it no pun intended. That's why he can no longer 1989 01:44:59,359 --> 01:45:01,880 guide me on on what is happening in my experiment. 1990 01:45:02,199 --> 01:45:05,239 As far as I am concerned, I am, I am. 1991 01:45:05,439 --> 01:45:09,159 I am on my own now and just have to 1992 01:45:09,199 --> 01:45:12,560 feel my way as I go. Nevertheless, in my opinion, 1993 01:45:12,600 --> 01:45:16,840 things are looking up awesome. Keep up the great work 1994 01:45:16,880 --> 01:45:22,039 if you will. Day one eighty something is wrong. Everything 1995 01:45:22,039 --> 01:45:24,840 has changed over the past six days. The mass I 1996 01:45:24,880 --> 01:45:26,560 referred to as a creature at the bottom of the 1997 01:45:26,640 --> 01:45:29,520 vessel has turned a very dark gray, a brownish color 1998 01:45:29,560 --> 01:45:33,039 appearing in the rim of the crescent. There is only 1999 01:45:33,199 --> 01:45:36,119 slight pulsation as well, and the eyes I can make 2000 01:45:36,159 --> 01:45:39,000 it out through its lids seems smaller. I continue the 2001 01:45:39,039 --> 01:45:41,119 aeration as usual, and on day five of the day 2002 01:45:41,159 --> 01:45:44,159 six I noticed something amiss. I increase the supply of 2003 01:45:44,279 --> 01:45:46,560 arcadam back up to one hundred and thirty million meters. 2004 01:45:47,000 --> 01:45:49,880 I will continue this every five days, using both fresh 2005 01:45:49,920 --> 01:45:50,800 and stored blood. 2006 01:45:50,880 --> 01:45:54,840 Speaker 4: Oh dude, uh huh, Hey. 2007 01:45:55,920 --> 01:45:59,880 Speaker 2: That's where you messed up, dude, using both fresh and store. 2008 01:46:00,079 --> 01:46:03,319 But I say from earlier blood draws, it just feels 2009 01:46:03,439 --> 01:46:08,159 right at this point, because the thing may truly be starving, 2010 01:46:08,199 --> 01:46:10,479 I don't know what else to do. Hence my decision 2011 01:46:10,520 --> 01:46:13,000 to increase the food supply. All of it has been 2012 01:46:13,039 --> 01:46:16,319 absorbed by the thing. However, the color change disturbs me. 2013 01:46:16,880 --> 01:46:19,840 I think it is dying. Perhaps the increased quantity of 2014 01:46:20,000 --> 01:46:24,520 arcanum arcanum and the decrease time between feedings will bring 2015 01:46:24,520 --> 01:46:29,640 it back to health. So day two hundred and twenty, now, 2016 01:46:31,319 --> 01:46:33,840 I think in a nine month period, there's like two 2017 01:46:33,920 --> 01:46:35,279 hundred and seventy four days? 2018 01:46:35,600 --> 01:46:39,439 Speaker 4: Is that? How many? How many days and nine months? 2019 01:46:40,279 --> 01:46:46,640 That is two hundred seventy two seventy three so close. 2020 01:46:47,680 --> 01:46:51,119 Speaker 2: So technically this thing died on day two eighteen. He 2021 01:46:51,199 --> 01:46:53,520 didn't really make it, you know, that far he still 2022 01:46:53,840 --> 01:46:58,039 wasys to go. The experiment has ended. The thing died 2023 01:46:58,039 --> 01:47:00,199 two days ago. I have not been able to face 2024 01:47:00,279 --> 01:47:02,479 this failure, especially when I consider how much I gave 2025 01:47:02,520 --> 01:47:05,760 to it in terms of everything that was required. Even 2026 01:47:05,760 --> 01:47:07,840 though I continued to airate as usual and feed it 2027 01:47:07,840 --> 01:47:10,039 every five days, it was not enough. Two days ago, 2028 01:47:10,079 --> 01:47:12,920 when I started to aerate, the odor of death emerged 2029 01:47:12,920 --> 01:47:15,520 from the exhaust item of the vessel. The stench of 2030 01:47:15,560 --> 01:47:18,600 death is unmistakable, and Heaven knows, I've smelled it so 2031 01:47:18,600 --> 01:47:21,640 many times in my life that there was no doubt 2032 01:47:21,720 --> 01:47:24,640 of it. When examined the bright light, the crescent shaped 2033 01:47:24,680 --> 01:47:27,880 mass was very dark brown, almost black, motionless, and lacked 2034 01:47:27,920 --> 01:47:31,920 any in all definition. The arms, fingers, and eyes I 2035 01:47:32,079 --> 01:47:35,840 had disappeared being returned to the ger I tried adding 2036 01:47:35,880 --> 01:47:39,760 more arcanum immediately and sat with the experiment for thirty 2037 01:47:39,800 --> 01:47:43,600 eight hours, continuously trying to monitor the rate of blood 2038 01:47:43,640 --> 01:47:46,279 flow so as not to kill it by feeding it 2039 01:47:46,319 --> 01:47:48,640 too fast, if indeed it was if it was not 2040 01:47:48,720 --> 01:47:49,359 already dead. 2041 01:47:50,039 --> 01:47:52,119 Speaker 4: Aeration was also increased. 2042 01:47:51,680 --> 01:47:54,079 Speaker 2: As a last effort to revive what I had created, 2043 01:47:54,640 --> 01:47:56,680 but it all failed. When I removed the vessel from 2044 01:47:56,720 --> 01:47:58,359 the sand bath and opened it, the stench of death 2045 01:47:58,439 --> 01:48:00,760 was so powerful that I jumped back. It was the 2046 01:48:00,760 --> 01:48:04,199 most powerful desciment I ever experienced. I cannot bring myself 2047 01:48:04,239 --> 01:48:06,119 to clean the vessel by discarring the thing as though 2048 01:48:06,159 --> 01:48:08,319 it was a piece of garbage. As strange as it 2049 01:48:08,399 --> 01:48:10,479 is to write this, I felt and still do a 2050 01:48:10,479 --> 01:48:13,640 great emotional attachment to the little thing, and cried when 2051 01:48:13,680 --> 01:48:16,479 I realized it died. I feel I loved it in 2052 01:48:16,520 --> 01:48:19,039 some way. I buried the vessel with the creature in 2053 01:48:19,079 --> 01:48:22,920 the woods and retreated to my laboratory. Until today, I 2054 01:48:22,920 --> 01:48:24,920 feel so bad that the poor thing had to die, 2055 01:48:25,239 --> 01:48:27,239 and die the way it did, it never had a 2056 01:48:27,359 --> 01:48:28,239 chance at life. 2057 01:48:28,000 --> 01:48:30,640 Speaker 4: In the world. That I am beyond grief in knowing this. 2058 01:48:31,119 --> 01:48:33,239 Speaker 2: I don't think I'll ever forgive myself for not being 2059 01:48:33,239 --> 01:48:36,239 able to give it a life it deserved. When I 2060 01:48:36,279 --> 01:48:38,680 called Freighter a few hours ago and told them what happened, 2061 01:48:38,680 --> 01:48:42,000 he too felt very sad and expressed such to me 2062 01:48:42,239 --> 01:48:44,640 and his words. Many would fall us for what we 2063 01:48:44,720 --> 01:48:47,760 have done, But all this is God's playing for mankind 2064 01:48:47,800 --> 01:48:51,760 and the whole This work has its place too. We 2065 01:48:51,800 --> 01:48:54,479 could have learned so much and become so so much 2066 01:48:54,520 --> 01:48:57,199 closer to the Creator if we could have succeeded in 2067 01:48:57,239 --> 01:49:00,640 this grand experiment. I felt the same too. Both of 2068 01:49:00,680 --> 01:49:03,840 us were choked up. We had tanda telephone call abruptly. 2069 01:49:04,279 --> 01:49:06,000 I'll have to contact Regard you as soon as I 2070 01:49:06,039 --> 01:49:08,680 am able and explain what happened to my creation. I 2071 01:49:08,720 --> 01:49:10,640 have no idea how you will take it, and frankly, 2072 01:49:10,760 --> 01:49:11,680 I don't give a damn. 2073 01:49:14,479 --> 01:49:16,720 Speaker 3: You can see that he's like going through some things 2074 01:49:16,760 --> 01:49:19,319 because he just lost his little guy, right, he just 2075 01:49:19,359 --> 01:49:22,359 like lost his son to this. Now, I don't want 2076 01:49:22,399 --> 01:49:25,680 to just rub more alchemical salt into his gurry heir 2077 01:49:25,760 --> 01:49:29,479 into his wound. But I mean, I'm kind of a 2078 01:49:29,520 --> 01:49:31,760 fan of macro photography, and I know that there's a 2079 01:49:31,760 --> 01:49:35,760 guy named Frank Percy Smith that not only was he 2080 01:49:35,840 --> 01:49:39,119 able to take close up pictures of very small items, 2081 01:49:39,399 --> 01:49:41,720 he even made movies. He made a movies in the 2082 01:49:41,800 --> 01:49:45,600 early nineteen hundred it's like nineteen ten of flies in motion, 2083 01:49:45,800 --> 01:49:50,199 of spiders in motion, like macro photography. So the camera 2084 01:49:50,800 --> 01:49:53,479 that this guy's talking about using was I think from 2085 01:49:53,520 --> 01:49:58,119 like nineteen seventy six, nineteen seventy eight, and the homunculous 2086 01:49:58,159 --> 01:50:01,800 experiment he claims to around nineteen eighty two, right around 2087 01:50:01,840 --> 01:50:04,680 the same year as that Essentia article with the water 2088 01:50:04,720 --> 01:50:08,479 work had come out. So there's really no excuse why 2089 01:50:09,560 --> 01:50:13,520 the camera that he was using wasn't able to create macrophotography, 2090 01:50:14,000 --> 01:50:17,279 especially if a camera made eighty years prior to this 2091 01:50:17,399 --> 01:50:20,520 experiment ever taking place had the capability to take an 2092 01:50:20,560 --> 01:50:23,600 in focused photograph of something at the micro level. 2093 01:50:25,359 --> 01:50:27,359 Speaker 2: No, I agree with you, but he wasn't pure heart, 2094 01:50:27,439 --> 01:50:29,880 so that's why he wasn't able to make a work. 2095 01:50:29,960 --> 01:50:30,239 Speaker 4: Dude. 2096 01:50:30,279 --> 01:50:34,279 Speaker 2: So again, I'm not saying it wasn't possible. I do 2097 01:50:34,399 --> 01:50:38,560 think that, Hey, it's a lot of source, trust me, Bro, 2098 01:50:39,199 --> 01:50:40,840 So I don't know where I stand with this, but 2099 01:50:41,640 --> 01:50:43,000 could it have been possible? 2100 01:50:43,039 --> 01:50:47,560 Speaker 4: I mean I think so, Dude. 2101 01:50:46,640 --> 01:50:48,680 Speaker 2: I'm not going to throw out the homunculus with the 2102 01:50:48,720 --> 01:50:51,600 girl water if you know what I'm saying, and say 2103 01:50:51,600 --> 01:50:53,880 that he didn't achieve this, And just because he couldn't 2104 01:50:53,880 --> 01:50:56,520 get a picture doesn't mean it happen. I mean, I've 2105 01:50:56,560 --> 01:50:58,680 seen a UFO before and didn't take a picture, but 2106 01:50:59,199 --> 01:51:02,119 I know when I saw that day Thomas okay, and 2107 01:51:02,199 --> 01:51:05,920 it was a UFO all right, So if he didn't 2108 01:51:05,920 --> 01:51:14,399 get I'm gonna I'm gonna take his word for it. 2109 01:51:11,399 --> 01:51:14,079 Speaker 3: Like we kind of have no other choice. That's the only. 2110 01:51:13,880 --> 01:51:18,800 Speaker 2: Thing you can and go on, right, And that's pretty 2111 01:51:18,840 --> 01:51:20,600 much the end of the body he talks. He says 2112 01:51:20,640 --> 01:51:24,560 that Regardi took it, so, he says he the following week, 2113 01:51:24,600 --> 01:51:26,199 I discuss the matter with a GUARDI till this day, 2114 01:51:26,279 --> 01:51:28,560 I am not certain who took my failure heart or 2115 01:51:28,640 --> 01:51:32,000 regarder afraid to albertas he told me he had hopes 2116 01:51:32,039 --> 01:51:33,720 because of this work, and then he actually believe the 2117 01:51:33,760 --> 01:51:38,960 experiment could be pulled off successfully. So what what do 2118 01:51:39,000 --> 01:51:39,680 you what do you think? 2119 01:51:39,720 --> 01:51:40,079 Speaker 3: Bro? Like? 2120 01:51:40,119 --> 01:51:42,319 Speaker 2: What what what did you think after what? What were 2121 01:51:42,399 --> 01:51:45,640 your thoughts reading this? What were your thoughts after this? 2122 01:51:46,039 --> 01:51:47,720 Like do you think the listeners will be able to 2123 01:51:47,920 --> 01:51:50,199 bring this thing into reality? 2124 01:51:50,399 --> 01:51:52,399 Speaker 4: Or like it's a pure. 2125 01:51:52,199 --> 01:51:54,119 Speaker 3: Heart and I assume that most of our readers are 2126 01:51:54,239 --> 01:51:57,039 pure of heart, the ones that actually pay attention and 2127 01:51:57,079 --> 01:51:59,720 care about the truth with your capital teas well. As 2128 01:51:59,720 --> 01:52:02,560 I was reading this to, especially towards the end, when 2129 01:52:02,560 --> 01:52:04,960 you know, when you realize it's all going to go south, 2130 01:52:05,439 --> 01:52:07,680 I almost imagine that this would make a really good 2131 01:52:07,720 --> 01:52:12,920 lifetime movie, like like the Homunculus that loses it all 2132 01:52:13,079 --> 01:52:16,199 towards the end, and I heard like the piano music 2133 01:52:16,279 --> 01:52:18,319 in the back of my head as I was reading 2134 01:52:18,359 --> 01:52:20,479 that very last day, and I can kind of see 2135 01:52:20,520 --> 01:52:23,199 him trying to like shake its little hand and maybe 2136 01:52:23,439 --> 01:52:26,319 like doing little chest compressions with a singership or something 2137 01:52:27,800 --> 01:52:31,520 like it's it really is. It turns into an absolute drama, right, 2138 01:52:31,520 --> 01:52:37,159 It's no longer comedy at that point. Just wake up 2139 01:52:37,640 --> 01:52:41,119 the guy that gets famous for doing little video shorts 2140 01:52:41,119 --> 01:52:43,600 where someone dies and he cries and like snock comes 2141 01:52:43,640 --> 01:52:46,239 out of his nose and stuff as he's like crying, 2142 01:52:46,319 --> 01:52:51,319 Like we should have that guy reenact discovering his homunculous. 2143 01:52:51,399 --> 01:52:55,960 I don't know that is. You'll you'll know, you'll absolutely know. 2144 01:52:55,960 --> 01:52:57,800 Well if you're if you were your heart, you would 2145 01:52:57,800 --> 01:52:58,439 know who that is. 2146 01:52:58,560 --> 01:53:01,479 Speaker 2: It just makes me think of you seen that show Intervention, 2147 01:53:02,520 --> 01:53:09,239 the one memes the black guy like cries like mad. 2148 01:53:09,119 --> 01:53:12,439 Speaker 3: Weird, Like that's how do you not know who this 2149 01:53:12,479 --> 01:53:15,119 guy is? It literally it's just brit if you just 2150 01:53:15,159 --> 01:53:16,720 search British guy crying. 2151 01:53:17,399 --> 01:53:21,039 Speaker 4: I've never seen that guy's videos. Dude, you know. 2152 01:53:22,479 --> 01:53:24,680 Speaker 3: This is all he does, is he just he screams 2153 01:53:24,680 --> 01:53:28,079 and he cries. But I this was literally what I 2154 01:53:28,159 --> 01:53:31,600 was imagining when I was reading these last pages of 2155 01:53:31,600 --> 01:53:34,119 the Homunculus. This guy walks in, were you crying? He 2156 01:53:34,159 --> 01:53:37,479 finds his little buddy. I might shed a tear as 2157 01:53:37,520 --> 01:53:39,000 I read that. How could you not? You'd have to 2158 01:53:39,000 --> 01:53:42,159 be an absolute monster. Yeah, to not cry over the 2159 01:53:42,159 --> 01:53:44,960 loss of Thismunculus. I mean it was literally a human 2160 01:53:45,039 --> 01:53:46,279 child as he described it. 2161 01:53:46,640 --> 01:53:50,079 Speaker 2: Yeah, no, I agree, I think that it kind of 2162 01:53:50,119 --> 01:53:51,920 It kind of pulled up my heart strings too. When 2163 01:53:51,920 --> 01:53:54,600 I first read this book, you know, I was like, hey, 2164 01:53:54,720 --> 01:53:58,119 you know, so much time energy, literally blood, sweat and seamen, 2165 01:53:58,920 --> 01:54:01,960 you know, poured into this and for it to just 2166 01:54:02,439 --> 01:54:04,439 be over in a seconds as it was. 2167 01:54:05,399 --> 01:54:05,800 Speaker 4: Uh, but. 2168 01:54:08,159 --> 01:54:10,239 Speaker 2: What are your what are your final thoughts? Do you 2169 01:54:10,960 --> 01:54:15,439 believe Strap more strongly in the homunculus after reading this book? 2170 01:54:15,520 --> 01:54:16,920 Speaker 4: What would you rate this book? 2171 01:54:17,039 --> 01:54:21,359 Speaker 2: You know, on a skill to one homunculous Like, where 2172 01:54:21,359 --> 01:54:22,079 do you stand? 2173 01:54:22,439 --> 01:54:23,399 Speaker 4: You know after all this? 2174 01:54:24,520 --> 01:54:26,279 Speaker 3: Oh, I'll give you it like a mid score five 2175 01:54:26,319 --> 01:54:30,319 five out of ten homunculi, just because it makes very 2176 01:54:30,359 --> 01:54:33,920 specific promises, but then it kind of covers the stuff up. 2177 01:54:34,279 --> 01:54:38,640 For example, Uh, he doesn't even provide in this book 2178 01:54:38,760 --> 01:54:41,520 a picture of the water work crustacean. We had a 2179 01:54:41,600 --> 01:54:44,119 fish that no pun intended. We had to fish the 2180 01:54:44,199 --> 01:54:46,600 picture of that thing out, and it was not easy 2181 01:54:46,640 --> 01:54:49,039 to find the cover to that magazine or the drawing. 2182 01:54:49,079 --> 01:54:51,680 And this is if this is the example of the 2183 01:54:51,760 --> 01:54:55,239 thing that you finally did after decades of research through 2184 01:54:55,239 --> 01:54:57,680 you're like, oh my god, I'm finally onto something I 2185 01:54:57,720 --> 01:55:00,680 can generate life. Why wouldn't you and that pic? I 2186 01:55:00,720 --> 01:55:02,960 would like people that I just meet on the street, 2187 01:55:02,960 --> 01:55:04,359 it would be like, hey, nice to meet you. Here's 2188 01:55:04,359 --> 01:55:06,880 a picture of artificial life that I made. Like I 2189 01:55:06,960 --> 01:55:09,560 would be giving it to everybody and if I wrote 2190 01:55:09,600 --> 01:55:11,439 a book about it, I think I would put it 2191 01:55:11,520 --> 01:55:13,279 like there on the cover, at least like a black 2192 01:55:13,279 --> 01:55:15,720 and white print of it somewhere in the book. And 2193 01:55:15,760 --> 01:55:19,079 I don't know. Maybe I rely too much on the 2194 01:55:19,239 --> 01:55:22,840 visual right, but I mean, even Israel Regardi, he didn't 2195 01:55:22,840 --> 01:55:26,199 believe that a homunculus was possible until someone showed him 2196 01:55:26,199 --> 01:55:29,079 a really convincing photograph and that changed his whole mind. 2197 01:55:29,479 --> 01:55:32,800 So to not take that lesson that he got directly 2198 01:55:32,800 --> 01:55:35,960 from his mentor and incorporate it into what might be 2199 01:55:36,039 --> 01:55:38,840 is magnum opis, or at least describing the work towards 2200 01:55:38,880 --> 01:55:41,560 his magnum opus, it just fell a little bit flat 2201 01:55:41,640 --> 01:55:44,000 for me. It felt like, what are you hiding? Or 2202 01:55:44,159 --> 01:55:46,439 why don't you want to show? Hey, how about this? 2203 01:55:46,520 --> 01:55:49,399 Why don't you just give us the blurry photos that 2204 01:55:49,439 --> 01:55:51,800 you did take? Right, even if it was too blurry, 2205 01:55:52,039 --> 01:55:53,960 we might be able to use AI at this point 2206 01:55:54,039 --> 01:55:55,680 to sort of put it back in the focus, but 2207 01:55:56,119 --> 01:55:58,840 alas all of that information is gone forever. 2208 01:56:00,640 --> 01:56:03,840 Speaker 2: Yeah, I think that this book is what I would 2209 01:56:03,960 --> 01:56:06,600 rate it a five two five and a half. I 2210 01:56:06,640 --> 01:56:09,239 actually hype this book up more than you know. After 2211 01:56:09,319 --> 01:56:11,760 reading it again, kind. 2212 01:56:11,560 --> 01:56:12,359 Speaker 4: Of falls flat. 2213 01:56:12,680 --> 01:56:15,399 Speaker 2: I like the guy's writing. I don't think it's it's bad, 2214 01:56:16,199 --> 01:56:17,720 but you'll pick up. 2215 01:56:17,640 --> 01:56:19,439 Speaker 3: On the tone particularly great writing. 2216 01:56:19,920 --> 01:56:22,359 Speaker 2: You'll pick up on the tone of like this guy 2217 01:56:22,520 --> 01:56:26,920 kind of seems pretty cocky about his work and the 2218 01:56:26,960 --> 01:56:29,359 whole fact that he was talking about like, oh, people 2219 01:56:29,399 --> 01:56:31,359 in my classes that weren't even able to make the 2220 01:56:31,399 --> 01:56:33,079 herbal stone are. 2221 01:56:33,239 --> 01:56:35,720 Speaker 4: Writing about alchemy nowadays. How dare they? 2222 01:56:35,840 --> 01:56:37,720 Speaker 2: Like I know the truth and like I was the 2223 01:56:37,760 --> 01:56:40,319 real star of the show and the pupil of the class, 2224 01:56:40,399 --> 01:56:42,640 like I was, you know, I was that guy. 2225 01:56:42,880 --> 01:56:44,840 Speaker 3: Well he was a bad boy too, because him and 2226 01:56:44,840 --> 01:56:47,840 his friend would get up early and do the lesser 2227 01:56:48,800 --> 01:56:51,760 banishing ritual and then they would go to class and 2228 01:56:51,880 --> 01:56:54,279 Freighter would be like, who was doing the lesser banning ritual? 2229 01:56:54,319 --> 01:56:57,119 You know? I think that hogwarts And they were like, 2230 01:56:57,119 --> 01:56:57,760 how did he know? 2231 01:56:58,279 --> 01:57:01,560 Speaker 2: I think that was regarding they're talking about the Lester 2232 01:57:01,680 --> 01:57:04,239 banishing ritual by proxy? 2233 01:57:04,319 --> 01:57:07,680 Speaker 3: Right by proxy, because the whole process, the whole I 2234 01:57:07,720 --> 01:57:09,720 guess takeaway that I got from this book is that 2235 01:57:10,159 --> 01:57:14,439 there would be no Levsky without having a Regardi, and 2236 01:57:14,439 --> 01:57:18,079 there'd be no Regardy without having a Freighter. Albertus, right, 2237 01:57:18,199 --> 01:57:21,479 so that they're almost passing on this lineage even to 2238 01:57:21,520 --> 01:57:23,039 the point of the end of the book. Is that 2239 01:57:23,359 --> 01:57:28,039 themunculus that he was making almost felt like a child 2240 01:57:28,199 --> 01:57:32,439 or grandchild of Regardi and of Freighter albertas right, Like 2241 01:57:32,479 --> 01:57:36,199 they all felt they had the same investments. So I 2242 01:57:36,239 --> 01:57:39,359 don't know if that was an informational flow or maybe 2243 01:57:39,399 --> 01:57:41,880 like somehow the their semen were all linked in some 2244 01:57:42,000 --> 01:57:44,399 way so that it truly was sort of like a 2245 01:57:44,520 --> 01:57:47,760 joint a monculus. He doesn't really get into the details. 2246 01:57:48,159 --> 01:57:51,439 Speaker 2: Yeah, well, there were the alchemical uncles of this thing, 2247 01:57:51,680 --> 01:57:56,680 and even Regardi, who had lung issues throughout his whole life, 2248 01:57:56,720 --> 01:58:00,199 and when he tried to again he was such a 2249 01:58:00,239 --> 01:58:03,319 bad alchemist that he breathed in this the I forgot 2250 01:58:03,319 --> 01:58:06,319 what soul fight it was, or some some gas from 2251 01:58:06,359 --> 01:58:09,039 trying to create the Philosopher's Stone, one of the tinctures 2252 01:58:09,119 --> 01:58:12,039 antimony or something. That's how dumb he was, that, you know, 2253 01:58:12,199 --> 01:58:15,880 doing alchemy, that he actually burned his lungs from the 2254 01:58:15,880 --> 01:58:19,159 inside out and he had respiratory issues his whole life 2255 01:58:19,199 --> 01:58:22,039 because of it. And then he figured, because that happened 2256 01:58:22,079 --> 01:58:25,960 to him, there was only one answer for the philosopher's stone, 2257 01:58:25,960 --> 01:58:28,760 and that it was a spiritual thing that you could acquire, 2258 01:58:28,840 --> 01:58:29,680 not a physical rate. 2259 01:58:30,000 --> 01:58:32,199 Speaker 3: If I can't do it, then maybe it's not possible 2260 01:58:32,199 --> 01:58:35,600 at all. What means he sounded like he was Jesse 2261 01:58:35,720 --> 01:58:37,760 Pinkman and not Walter White. 2262 01:58:38,479 --> 01:58:40,600 Speaker 4: One hundred percent Like that's the way I see it too. 2263 01:58:41,119 --> 01:58:42,880 So I think. 2264 01:58:45,279 --> 01:58:48,119 Speaker 2: I don't know, man, I think that it might be bullshit, 2265 01:58:48,680 --> 01:58:51,279 but I can one hundred percent rule it out. 2266 01:58:51,800 --> 01:58:52,239 Speaker 4: I can't. 2267 01:58:52,439 --> 01:58:54,399 Speaker 2: Like something in me still says like maybe there's something 2268 01:58:54,479 --> 01:58:58,880 more to this homunculus than meets the eye, and maybe 2269 01:58:58,920 --> 01:59:02,560 seeing his believing but yeah, you also have to be 2270 01:59:02,600 --> 01:59:06,800 pure at heart. So but but the listeners will try this, 2271 01:59:07,439 --> 01:59:09,760 and they're going to report back, and they're gonna tell 2272 01:59:09,840 --> 01:59:12,520 us that it's really odd, dude, And if you make 2273 01:59:12,560 --> 01:59:16,159 a homunculous after listening to this, I will make it 2274 01:59:16,199 --> 01:59:18,720 the official mascot of the podcast. 2275 01:59:19,640 --> 01:59:24,560 Speaker 4: Okay, And yeah, so do you want to add anything 2276 01:59:24,560 --> 01:59:25,960 else tell us before you get out of here. 2277 01:59:26,039 --> 01:59:28,840 Speaker 3: Well, yeah, I guess I understand that he's upset at 2278 01:59:28,880 --> 01:59:32,279 the end. But and maybe I'm still ignorant of all 2279 01:59:32,279 --> 01:59:35,159 the rules of a homunculus, but I believe that the 2280 01:59:35,239 --> 01:59:38,399 whole point of creating a homunculus is to kill the homunculus, 2281 01:59:38,560 --> 01:59:40,600 Like you're not allowed, you're not supposed to let it. 2282 01:59:40,760 --> 01:59:41,960 Speaker 4: You don't always have to be wrong. 2283 01:59:42,920 --> 01:59:46,520 Speaker 2: And by the way, this was in UH sometime around 2284 01:59:46,600 --> 01:59:50,600 nineteen eighty two, right. 2285 01:59:50,479 --> 01:59:52,960 Speaker 3: So I have the rules changed that now you're allowed 2286 01:59:53,000 --> 01:59:55,960 to let a homunculus live into old age, like would 2287 01:59:55,960 --> 01:59:58,439 a homunculous die of old age? And what is an 2288 01:59:58,439 --> 02:00:01,439 old age for a homunculus? Because parent Celsus made it 2289 02:00:01,479 --> 02:00:03,680 seem like if you let that thing live for more 2290 02:00:03,720 --> 02:00:06,720 than like twelve months, then you're going to create a monster. 2291 02:00:08,319 --> 02:00:11,159 Speaker 2: But there there aren't any rules that you have that 2292 02:00:11,279 --> 02:00:13,279 you have to get rid of it. You can keep 2293 02:00:13,319 --> 02:00:17,319 it around and you can make it into your servant. 2294 02:00:17,359 --> 02:00:19,039 And if you do let it grow into old age, 2295 02:00:19,079 --> 02:00:21,359 it'll become either you know, a giant or dwarf or 2296 02:00:21,640 --> 02:00:24,880 a mystical being, a magical being. And I don't think 2297 02:00:25,000 --> 02:00:28,279 homunculus can die bro because they're magic, you know. But 2298 02:00:28,479 --> 02:00:31,920 if you want to extract those godlike powers from the homunculus, 2299 02:00:32,000 --> 02:00:34,319 then that's when you have to get into you know, 2300 02:00:34,399 --> 02:00:36,359 That's when you have to get rid of it and 2301 02:00:36,399 --> 02:00:38,079 then use its various body parts. 2302 02:00:38,720 --> 02:00:40,800 Speaker 4: So really it's up to you being. 2303 02:00:40,760 --> 02:00:43,920 Speaker 3: A clump of gray matter cells into an actual homunculus. 2304 02:00:44,000 --> 02:00:47,239 This almost feels like the abortion debate all over again. Right, 2305 02:00:48,159 --> 02:00:51,600 If it can't be killed, then it technically it's not 2306 02:00:51,640 --> 02:00:54,319 a homunculus if you can drown it with your blood. 2307 02:00:55,239 --> 02:00:59,680 Speaker 2: All homunculous lives matter. That's the moral of the story here, dude, 2308 02:00:59,760 --> 02:01:02,319 And and they all deserve a chance to live. But 2309 02:01:03,199 --> 02:01:06,680 if you choose to take you know, the dark path 2310 02:01:07,600 --> 02:01:10,239 and get rid of it, you're still going to acquire 2311 02:01:10,279 --> 02:01:12,640 magical powers because you're going to be able to use 2312 02:01:12,680 --> 02:01:19,600 its bodies. So the homunculus is you know, it's it's recyclable. 2313 02:01:19,600 --> 02:01:24,760 It's a reusable energy, I guess. And yeah, but there 2314 02:01:25,119 --> 02:01:27,319 isn't any rules saying that you can't unlive it. 2315 02:01:27,399 --> 02:01:28,760 Speaker 4: Bro, you know you're you're wrong there. 2316 02:01:28,800 --> 02:01:30,720 Speaker 2: You don't have to, Okay, So if you do create 2317 02:01:30,720 --> 02:01:33,239 this homunculus, you don't have to get rid of it. 2318 02:01:33,279 --> 02:01:37,960 You can turn it into child protective Services probably and 2319 02:01:38,279 --> 02:01:41,640 let it have the life it deserves, you know what 2320 02:01:41,680 --> 02:01:43,720 I mean, and give it a good shot in this world, 2321 02:01:43,720 --> 02:01:45,359 and who knows, it might grow up to be the 2322 02:01:45,359 --> 02:01:48,079 president of the United States one day, you don't know 2323 02:01:48,119 --> 02:01:50,479 where if you get rid of it so soon, you 2324 02:01:50,479 --> 02:01:53,880 don't know if that homeleculus could have solved the world hunger, 2325 02:01:54,359 --> 02:01:55,039 or you could. 2326 02:01:54,840 --> 02:01:57,079 Speaker 3: Have been a surgeon, could have been a doctor, could 2327 02:01:57,079 --> 02:01:58,000 have been president. 2328 02:01:58,079 --> 02:01:59,560 Speaker 4: You're it could have been. 2329 02:01:59,399 --> 02:02:06,000 Speaker 2: A crazy the president or crazy scientist or doctor. Her saying, yeah, so, 2330 02:02:06,079 --> 02:02:10,439 but again, just play it by ear when you do this, 2331 02:02:11,399 --> 02:02:14,159 and see where it goes, and follow your heart. Ultimately, 2332 02:02:14,159 --> 02:02:17,560 it's all about following your heart and really sticking to 2333 02:02:17,720 --> 02:02:19,960 your guns and giving everything you have one hundred and 2334 02:02:19,960 --> 02:02:22,119 ten percent, even your semen in your blood. 2335 02:02:23,000 --> 02:02:25,079 Speaker 3: So you got to give it to that girl. 2336 02:02:25,399 --> 02:02:29,199 Speaker 2: Very very inspirational this book, because this guy went he 2337 02:02:29,319 --> 02:02:31,520 was walking the walk and talking. 2338 02:02:31,560 --> 02:02:32,000 Speaker 4: The talk. 2339 02:02:32,800 --> 02:02:35,920 Speaker 3: Really to me was it was the opposite of inspirational 2340 02:02:35,960 --> 02:02:38,800 because at the end, it's like, and despite all of 2341 02:02:38,800 --> 02:02:40,800 the success, all of these things that I've been able 2342 02:02:40,840 --> 02:02:43,600 to do that no other alchemist before me has been 2343 02:02:43,640 --> 02:02:46,680 able to do as well, I still think that I 2344 02:02:46,720 --> 02:02:49,039 would have not done it all if I could try again, 2345 02:02:49,039 --> 02:02:52,000 and I just would have gotten a job doing you know, 2346 02:02:52,119 --> 02:02:53,680 high profile marketing work. 2347 02:02:54,119 --> 02:02:55,600 Speaker 4: And focusing on making money. 2348 02:02:56,159 --> 02:02:59,640 Speaker 3: Yeah, by hey, not having a kid with your your 2349 02:02:59,640 --> 02:03:00,920 wife for four decades. 2350 02:03:01,039 --> 02:03:05,199 Speaker 2: It's it takes the the alchemist road is a lonely 2351 02:03:05,239 --> 02:03:08,880 one and only the select fue will succeed. And if 2352 02:03:08,880 --> 02:03:11,600 that's what it takes to succeed, you gotta do what 2353 02:03:11,640 --> 02:03:14,880 you gotta do, right and I respect that. So for 2354 02:03:14,960 --> 02:03:20,119 those on this endeavor, if you do succeed in this work, 2355 02:03:20,439 --> 02:03:23,319 hit us up, let us know how it goes. Take 2356 02:03:23,359 --> 02:03:26,000 plenty of pictures, maybe even live stream. It will do 2357 02:03:26,039 --> 02:03:28,880 a live stream and see what happens. 2358 02:03:28,960 --> 02:03:29,239 Speaker 4: Dude. 2359 02:03:30,720 --> 02:03:34,279 Speaker 3: You're just gonna get pictures of people and doing unspeakable 2360 02:03:34,279 --> 02:03:38,159 things with mud with hot dog water. 2361 02:03:41,399 --> 02:03:42,399 Speaker 4: So what else you got, bro? 2362 02:03:44,239 --> 02:03:46,840 Speaker 3: Well, A cold book Club is back. I can't believe 2363 02:03:46,840 --> 02:03:50,159 the last one we did was Box Saga. But hopefully 2364 02:03:50,199 --> 02:03:54,079 we'll be posting maybe like a list of suggested books 2365 02:03:54,119 --> 02:03:56,720 that we'll be plucking from along with some of the 2366 02:03:56,720 --> 02:03:59,520 ones that we've already covered. But just be prepared. Hold 2367 02:03:59,560 --> 02:04:02,800 on to your to your seats, hold on hold onto 2368 02:04:02,840 --> 02:04:05,880 your semen and your pelicans, and uh, we're gonna have 2369 02:04:05,960 --> 02:04:08,560 way more of these scheduled for you guys. Yeah. 2370 02:04:08,600 --> 02:04:12,479 Speaker 2: The next book will probably be the Adam Weiss hop 2371 02:04:12,640 --> 02:04:13,319 book on. 2372 02:04:13,520 --> 02:04:21,760 Speaker 3: His historical Jesus, where he claims that Germany's greatest theological 2373 02:04:22,359 --> 02:04:25,840 entry into the world was their research into the historical 2374 02:04:25,920 --> 02:04:28,840 concept of Jesus as a man. So that one's kind 2375 02:04:28,840 --> 02:04:29,960 of interesting. 2376 02:04:30,199 --> 02:04:31,640 Speaker 4: So hopefully it's got some juice in it. 2377 02:04:31,680 --> 02:04:35,560 Speaker 2: But I make sure to follow me on social media 2378 02:04:35,640 --> 02:04:40,560 at the hon on On podcast www dot tj ojp dot com, 2379 02:04:40,800 --> 02:04:44,840 hold this Moundy, Patreon, all that stuff and I'll play 2380 02:04:44,880 --> 02:04:45,319 your stuff. 2381 02:04:45,319 --> 02:04:50,000 Speaker 3: Thomas Paranoid American dot com, coltbook Club dot com all 2382 02:04:50,039 --> 02:04:52,279 the things, And if you're listening to the audio version 2383 02:04:52,319 --> 02:04:54,760 of this, make sure you go in follow the Paranoid 2384 02:04:54,800 --> 02:04:58,560 American podcast too. Me and Juan intentionally don't recycle each 2385 02:04:58,600 --> 02:05:01,239 other's guests like a million other people in this space, 2386 02:05:01,319 --> 02:05:05,119 so you'll get a nice, healthy variety of stuff between 2387 02:05:05,119 --> 02:05:05,720 the two of us. 2388 02:05:06,159 --> 02:05:09,279 Speaker 4: Yes, so it's always everyone for the next one 2389 02:05:37,880 --> 02:05:37,920 Speaker 3: H