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Speaker 4: Mm hmm, Welcome to the occult Rejects.
Speaker 5: This episode, we got a little bit of a cult
Speaker 5: and we got a little bit of true crime coming
Speaker 5: at you today. I got a bunch of rejects with me.
Speaker 5: I got a couple of people joining us. Lisa the
Speaker 5: occult reject man scientist is here with us today, and Lisa,
Speaker 5: thank you very much for joining us. I appreciate it.
Speaker 5: And we got Julia Cosmic Peach here with us as well.
Speaker 5: You know, it was true crime and it was some
Speaker 5: weird occult shit, so I figured, why not bring Cosmic
Speaker 5: Peach alone.
Speaker 2: Does this make me an official occurse?
Speaker 5: Yes?
Speaker 2: I know.
Speaker 4: When I introduced it like that, I was like, I
Speaker 4: kind of put myself on the spot. If she caught me.
Speaker 2: Julia the Cosmic Peacha cult.
Speaker 5: Reject Juliacha Cult reject is joining us today.
Speaker 4: You're welcome.
Speaker 5: You're welcome, and yeah, Julia, please plug all your stuff
Speaker 5: and let everybody know where they can find all your
Speaker 5: amazing work. Please.
Speaker 6: Yeah.
Speaker 7: Thanks.
Speaker 2: So wherever you listen to podcasts not YouTube, fuck them.
Speaker 2: Every Saturday on the Cult of Conspiracy podcast, I do
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Speaker 2: access to everything. Thanks for having me. I am officially
Speaker 2: an occult reject.
Speaker 7: Thank you.
Speaker 5: Thank you so much, Julia for joining us. I really
Speaker 5: appreciate it. And JJ Vance, last but not least, my
Speaker 5: favorite garbage can dude, what is up?
Speaker 2: Man?
Speaker 5: Let everybody know where they can find all your amazing
Speaker 5: research as.
Speaker 7: Well, Nick, I appreciate the invite.
Speaker 6: JJ Vance, host of Operation GCD, not the vice president, Lisa, Julia, great,
Speaker 6: great c al game.
Speaker 7: Looking for the conversation right right, great to meet you.
Speaker 6: The uh you know this topic of conversations right in
Speaker 6: my wheelhouse, you know, sadly enough, ritual human sacrifice.
Speaker 7: Now you're now you're talking my language, you know what
Speaker 7: I mean?
Speaker 6: So I cover I cover those topics on Operation g
Speaker 6: C d quite frequently, amongst many other things. And uh
Speaker 6: do a live show on Wednesday nights on YouTube Rumble
Speaker 6: and Twister and Friday nights Fridays with the Occult Rejects
Speaker 6: Nick on the same same platforms. Yes, also on r
Speaker 6: S S, Fees and whatnot as well. But yeah, looking
Speaker 6: for to the conversation. Yeah, definitely, uh, definitely not on
Speaker 6: wasn't familiar with this topic, but I'm uh, you know,
Speaker 6: it will be.
Speaker 7: Nice interesting, that's for sure.
Speaker 5: So JJ, when you go like on speed dating or
Speaker 5: on dating apps, you you put down that line about
Speaker 5: if you're talking about whatever that was that you're talking.
Speaker 7: Like, right right, ritinal human sacrifice.
Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, yeah, if you're into that, I said, I
Speaker 4: want to.
Speaker 2: Dating site. They would tell me that isn't a great idea.
Speaker 4: Conspiracy It probably would work.
Speaker 2: All the conspiracies. You're into flat earth, and then you
Speaker 2: connect with other conspiracy theorists and then you make conspiracy babies,
Speaker 2: and then we.
Speaker 4: Start an army conspiracy babies and we.
Speaker 2: Take over the world.
Speaker 7: There we go.
Speaker 2: I'm sorry, this is your.
Speaker 5: Show, not mine.
Speaker 4: We're getting there. Were getting there three and a half minutes,
Speaker 4: and we're finally going to get to the guests. So hoorah.
Speaker 5: Code Codex of curiosities, my man, Please let everybody know
Speaker 5: what your deal is, what your show is about, what's
Speaker 5: up and whatever you want to plug? Please?
Speaker 7: All right?
Speaker 5: Cool?
Speaker 3: Cool? Yeah, my show is conspiracies, dating and conspiracies.
Speaker 4: I was just like, they took me a second.
Speaker 3: I was like, I'm not gonna steal that right now.
Speaker 2: No.
Speaker 3: Yeah, So my show does we do conspiracies. I do
Speaker 3: Lost History, I do you know, paranormal, supernatural, UFO, abduction,
Speaker 3: all the like, everything that kind of falls in there
Speaker 3: is what I do. And then I do the odd.
Speaker 3: I've done two true crime episodes because they're just that
Speaker 3: out there, that crazy, and and the one we're gonna
Speaker 3: be talking about tonight is one of them, you know,
Speaker 3: because it was just an attention grapper, and considering that
Speaker 3: I live here in Mexico, it was something else that
Speaker 3: was kind of a dear to me. Not just being
Speaker 3: these you know, sacrificial human sacrificial kind of things. It's
Speaker 3: just let's let's get into it. Let's find out the
Speaker 3: true nitty gritty about Mexico here, and my show can
Speaker 3: be found everywhere, you know. I bow down to YouTube
Speaker 3: there yeah, but so I'm in YouTube, rumble, you know,
Speaker 3: audio wherever you can find it. It's it's the typical
Speaker 3: and again Codega's Codex of Curiosities.
Speaker 5: I'll definitely say you have. You know, when I first
Speaker 5: came across I think I told you in DM, I
Speaker 5: was like, I thought you were only true crime. I
Speaker 5: must have looked at the only two shows you've done
Speaker 5: exactly exactly.
Speaker 3: It was Jack the Ripper and this this called the
Speaker 3: Magdalena sold this the Vampiric Blood Priestess.
Speaker 4: Yeah.
Speaker 5: And then and then when I went back and looked
Speaker 5: at your stuff, I was just you know, more of
Speaker 5: your stuff. I was just like, oh, this guy covers
Speaker 5: like everything. Yeah, I thought was true crime dab. Yeah,
Speaker 5: he does have a slew of different types of topics
Speaker 5: for sure.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 5: It was between those two. When I saw that, I
Speaker 5: was like, ah, but same last name as Lisa. I'll
Speaker 5: ask him for that first, of course. Yeah.
Speaker 3: Let's uh yeah, So, so do we want to get
Speaker 3: into it or yeah, let's do it. Just jump right
Speaker 3: into it. Okay, So the topic, what we're we talking
Speaker 3: about is a place in Mexico and San Luis Potosi
Speaker 3: called Yorba Buena and this is small. Like when I
Speaker 3: say small, that doesn't even doesn't even cut it, you know,
Speaker 3: it's it's tiny, tiny little village. That was this this
Speaker 3: village and this was this took place in the early sixties. Okay,
Speaker 3: and like but but before we jumped too deep into it,
Speaker 3: we got to do a little bit of background on
Speaker 3: the two main proponents of this who kind of started
Speaker 3: this all, and that was so we're going to talk
Speaker 3: about Santos and uh Cayetano Ernandez. Now, these were two
Speaker 3: brothers who were just lifelong scam artists. That's that's all
Speaker 3: they did. You know. They would go from one place
Speaker 3: to another place. And they they were driving along and
Speaker 3: they had just left or or had been run out
Speaker 3: of town, which is usually the typical, uh what happened
Speaker 3: with them? So so they're just leaving for one scam
Speaker 3: and they stumbled upon your buena. They could see this
Speaker 3: town off in the distance, and they noticed that there
Speaker 3: was no power lines running there and there was no
Speaker 3: they didn't see a church or they didn't see what else, Yeah,
Speaker 3: or a school as well, and so if you think
Speaker 3: about it, there was with that meant. What that meant
Speaker 3: was there's no contact from the outside world, no education
Speaker 3: and no organized religion to keep these people kind of
Speaker 3: on the righteous path, right.
Speaker 5: Imagine looking for stuff like that, things to check off. Yeah,
Speaker 5: I could go there, the manipulag. I haven't thought of that,
Speaker 5: but it makes sense.
Speaker 3: And yurbuena means good herb, okay, So if you if
Speaker 3: you get the feeling where that's coming from, that was
Speaker 3: most likely it was. It got its name from the
Speaker 3: cartels who used to work in that area and we
Speaker 3: use the fields to grow their crops. But they were
Speaker 3: eventually run out by the federal allies. So that's a
Speaker 3: kind of all right, got its name, you know. Or
Speaker 3: buena also means spearmint as well, but I believe we're
Speaker 3: going to go with the fact that it's a good
Speaker 3: herb is really where they got that name from. Now
Speaker 3: let's get back to the story here. So now, these
Speaker 3: these two brothers, they they decided they came up with
Speaker 3: this hair brain scheme to pose as prophets of ancient
Speaker 3: Inca gods. Now, if anybody knows anything about geography and
Speaker 3: you know, ancient civilizations, you would know that the Incas
Speaker 3: aren't native to Peru, I mean, sorry, not native to Mexico.
Speaker 3: They're native to Peru, so like this is this is
Speaker 3: ridiculous to begin with already. But they went in, and
Speaker 3: they went into the villagers, and they said that they
Speaker 3: were priests or prophets of these ancient Inca gods, and
Speaker 3: they were there to pave the way for the return
Speaker 3: of these gods. And with that they promised the villagers
Speaker 3: that there is hidden treasures and they would give these
Speaker 3: hidden treasures to these villagers in exchange for worship and tributes.
Speaker 3: Now what that what that entailed was like free food,
Speaker 3: free booze, lots of sex, pretty much anything else they
Speaker 3: wanted from the villagers. All right, So that's yeah, exactly exactly.
Speaker 5: So it's crazy in the sixties that can still happen.
Speaker 5: I mean, listen, I can understand if you end up
Speaker 5: in like, you know, the rainforest of someplace in Africa,
Speaker 5: but I mean in Mexico.
Speaker 2: Well, remember Nick, the sixties were like Laurel Canyon program
Speaker 2: to kill serial killers and you know all that stuff.
Speaker 2: It doesn't surprise me. There was so many cults that
Speaker 2: broke out in the sixties. It makes your headspind It's craziness.
Speaker 1: But I think like in Sunuis Potosi. Wasn't it predominantly
Speaker 1: indigenous still, like it's so the tourist attraction that it
Speaker 1: is now today.
Speaker 3: I believe so, I completely believe so. And one of
Speaker 3: you know, everybody knows one of the things of cults
Speaker 3: is to isolate your the people, you know, keep them isolated.
Speaker 3: But that's already happened in this town has already completely isolated.
Speaker 7: You know.
Speaker 3: And they were they were long gone and forgotten already.
Speaker 3: You know, they were taking advantage of by the cartel.
Speaker 3: But the cartel's now gone. So all they were doing
Speaker 3: for for income was like selling beans and corn.
Speaker 5: That's it.
Speaker 3: So like again, calling this a village really wasn't doing
Speaker 3: it justice. It was much smaller, you know, it was
Speaker 3: just a community of sorts because like I said, I
Speaker 3: think I mentioned that there is about like maybe fifty
Speaker 3: people living there.
Speaker 2: Okay, So I have a question these brothers, were they
Speaker 2: like learn it at all or do they say, like
Speaker 2: which specific gods they were representing? Well they just kind
Speaker 2: of just like gods.
Speaker 3: Yeah, okay, because these these people don't really know, they're
Speaker 3: like sure, sure that that sounds right? Good, Like and
Speaker 3: these men weren't learning like you know, they I don't
Speaker 3: know the full background of they had enough education to
Speaker 3: be able to pull off some good scams, right and
Speaker 3: be able to manipulate people, which you got to have
Speaker 3: some education be able.
Speaker 7: To do that.
Speaker 5: At least more than the people you're taking advantage.
Speaker 3: Exactly. Yeah, they got their grade ten and everybody else
Speaker 3: has the grade nine.
Speaker 7: So there we go.
Speaker 6: Was was there a lot of other known cold activity
Speaker 6: in around that area at the time?
Speaker 7: Do they get did they get bit with a New
Speaker 7: Age bug?
Speaker 3: Not that I know of, I don't. I don't know that,
Speaker 3: but yeah, like the New Age like peace love and
Speaker 3: you know, like the Hippie movement I did, because.
Speaker 6: I mean scientology was in that and around I mean,
Speaker 6: I don't know that area of Mexico, but they've been
Speaker 6: operating in Mexico since the nineteen sixtyes, late nineteen fifty.
Speaker 1: So there's I think they were in school which was
Speaker 1: over in the Yucatan, which is.
Speaker 6: Ye further definitely down there, but they have these child
Speaker 6: forms they've been operating too, which they're not exactly.
Speaker 3: The Yucatan where they located school well, t u l Okay, it's.
Speaker 1: Still the same name, but San Luis Potosi is correct
Speaker 1: me if I'm wrong. It's north of Monterey. No, I'm
Speaker 1: Mexico city.
Speaker 3: Sorry, Yes, but it is near Monterey, very near Monterey, right, which.
Speaker 6: Is not that far from like the Matamoros cold that
Speaker 6: would it would erupt in the seventies and eighties.
Speaker 1: It's further south, right, isn't it that it's.
Speaker 3: On the coast, Yes, close to being on the coast.
Speaker 7: Yes, same state though, right, same.
Speaker 3: No, I think No, I think I think there are
Speaker 3: more northern states.
Speaker 7: Yeah, is that the name of its.
Speaker 6: I'm not good with American names first and foremost, so
Speaker 6: Mexican names not my not my thing.
Speaker 7: But that's how you pronounced it. I often wonder how
Speaker 7: much how much cold activity.
Speaker 6: Went in around that area, and looking into this cold
Speaker 6: I'd never heard of a as I go, wow, there's
Speaker 6: far more cold activity in that reads.
Speaker 2: And then you know, previously, did the brothers have any
Speaker 2: like military, like ex military, any governmental nothing where they're fit,
Speaker 2: where their grandparents Satanists, where they like part of generational
Speaker 2: Satanism anything like that. No, no, not they they just
Speaker 2: broke out on their own.
Speaker 3: Kind of Yes, exactly exactly. And yeah, so Tampico is
Speaker 3: on the East Coast. Is is that what you're saying.
Speaker 3: But this area, I believe San Luis Potosi is is
Speaker 3: not is a bit north. It's it's north of Mexico City,
Speaker 3: but it's it's still south of it's kind of in between.
Speaker 3: I don't know if we want to say in between
Speaker 3: the border of like U of the US and Mexico City.
Speaker 3: It's I don't want to say halfway. No, it's it's
Speaker 3: much closer to Mexico City. But yeah, I'm not going
Speaker 3: to Mexican geography anyway. Between what you're saying Monaree, Mexico City.
Speaker 6: I can picture those places well anything else between, like
Speaker 6: I'm not I'm not certain of not.
Speaker 3: No problem, no problem. Yeah, So yeah, it's it's north
Speaker 3: of Mexico City and south of Monterey is where we're
Speaker 3: going to find it.
Speaker 6: But this is kind of an abnormal theology, you know,
Speaker 6: this not just the Incos is your point now coming
Speaker 6: to Mexico claim to be representing Incan gods, But from
Speaker 6: from what it seems like with this cold, it's not.
Speaker 7: It's not rooted in local folklore.
Speaker 3: At this point. No, at this point, No, it changes though,
Speaker 3: it changes gears and and that's when things get get
Speaker 3: a little crazy. Okay, yeah, so yeah, and it's it's
Speaker 3: like these guys were just career criminals going around finding targets,
Speaker 3: finding hits, but this was the craziest one of them all,
Speaker 3: you know, like before it's I believe before a most
Speaker 3: smaller you know, like hitting families, hitting up families and
Speaker 3: smaller areas or smaller like targets. But this was this
Speaker 3: was their big hits on this one. And one of
Speaker 3: the issues though with this is if we're going back
Speaker 3: to the story, is that they they they continued this
Speaker 3: charade for a couple of weeks, people were starting to
Speaker 3: like it. They didn't really bring anything to the table though.
Speaker 3: They just kept on saying that this is what they're doing.
Speaker 3: But they actually picked a couple of villagers to serve
Speaker 3: them and and to help keep the villagers in mind,
Speaker 3: one of those being Jesus for Bario. Okay, now, Jazus
Speaker 3: kind of figured out that they this was all bullshit,
Speaker 3: and he's like, listen, I want in. It's pretty much
Speaker 3: what he wanted to, Like, he wanted to take advantage
Speaker 3: of his own village as well, like, hey, I want
Speaker 3: part of this, because at this time it was just
Speaker 3: enjoying a lot of sex, drinks and food and everything.
Speaker 3: So that's that's where it went. But like as I said, this,
Speaker 3: the promises of treasures and gold that they weren't materializing.
Speaker 3: They weren't bringing anything. So the villagers were becoming more
Speaker 3: skeptical by the day and that this next choice is
Speaker 3: where they changed everything. So they the brothers realized that
Speaker 3: they needed to step this up. Okay, So they ended
Speaker 3: up driving to Monterey and they left Jesus in charge
Speaker 3: to kind of like keep people still in line, to
Speaker 3: let them know that, hey, we're coming back. And the
Speaker 3: reason they did this is because they were they promised
Speaker 3: the villagers that they were going to bring back a
Speaker 3: goddess or a priestess, that they were going to create this.
Speaker 3: They were just going to bring someone else back who
Speaker 3: was who was to add to this charade?
Speaker 7: Okay.
Speaker 3: So they drove to Monterey and that is where they
Speaker 3: recruited Magdalena saw this and her brother and I'm going
Speaker 3: to butcher this name because it is a difficult name,
Speaker 3: Elizar Als. Okay, So that is the brother of Magdalena Solis.
Speaker 3: Now it's unknown if if Magdalena Solis and aliasar and
Speaker 3: the two brothers actually knew each other prior to this.
Speaker 3: They might have there might have been a relationship prior
Speaker 3: to that beout. But Magdalena was she was working as
Speaker 3: a prostitute in Monterey and she's been doing this since
Speaker 3: the age of twelve. And her pimp was her brother. Okay,
Speaker 3: that's nice, so fucked right, yes, yeah, I complete, I
Speaker 3: knew that was going to come up.
Speaker 2: He was pimp andes sis he's so messed yeah, yeah,
Speaker 2: completely messed up.
Speaker 3: Now, not only did she not only was she a prostitute,
Speaker 3: though she was also had a side hustle as a
Speaker 3: fortune teller and medium. She would claim to be like
Speaker 3: channeling spirits of oh that's exactly, that's exactly you know.
Speaker 3: But but she is in in this kind of concept.
Speaker 3: So she was said she would channel like these brujas
Speaker 3: okay and for those who know those are witches. So
Speaker 3: that was I believe that played a big part in
Speaker 3: in this next the next level, the next step. So
Speaker 3: so Magdalena and her brother and Hernandez brothers decided that
Speaker 3: Kate like they propositioned her and said, we want you
Speaker 3: to come back and we want you to portray you
Speaker 3: know this priestess or this or a god. Well, they
Speaker 3: actually said priestess to begin.
Speaker 7: Now.
Speaker 3: During this time, when they're having this conversation and agreeing
Speaker 3: with this, one of them finally realized that the Incoans
Speaker 3: weren't from Mexico. So that's when they switched up. They
Speaker 3: decided to go with Aztec gods sot At this time,
Speaker 3: you know, some had said that mag was going to
Speaker 3: pose as a famous resurrected Mexican faith healer, but that
Speaker 3: kind of they decided not to. So she was going
Speaker 3: to be a priestess of the Aztec goddess qualitic you okay,
Speaker 3: and qualitic youu was the fertility goddess. And I'm not
Speaker 3: doing that right too. I had some issues with some
Speaker 3: of these names. But qual lick you, qualth lick you, okay.
Speaker 3: So this was the fertility goddess. Which make sure you
Speaker 3: keep that in your mind now. So the brothers returned
Speaker 3: back to the village and they told that they didn't
Speaker 3: bring in Magdalena yet. They told everyone that this goddess
Speaker 3: that they went to get or this priestess would arrive
Speaker 3: at night and they but they had to perform this
Speaker 3: ritual to summon her, so that evening they got the
Speaker 3: villagers to participate in the brother's ritual where they use
Speaker 3: some fireworks and pyrotechnics to and which amazes people because
Speaker 3: they've never seen this kind of stuff, right, this is
Speaker 3: all new to them, so they're able to produce stick
Speaker 3: cloud of smoke and once the once the smoke cleared,
Speaker 3: there stood Magdalena Solis and the village were just the
Speaker 3: villagers were just amazed at this because this was you know,
Speaker 3: smoking mirrors, kind of bullshit kind of stuff, but for
Speaker 3: them this was amazingals.
Speaker 7: Then they were just kind of making it up as
Speaker 7: they went along, making everything.
Speaker 2: Exactly they like when they got back, did they like
Speaker 2: switch it up, like, oh, by the way, just kidding,
Speaker 2: it's as Tech's not like you'd think right there, they'd
Speaker 2: be like, hold the fuck up, Like, first off, who
Speaker 2: are you? Second off, it went from INCA to now
Speaker 2: it's as tech, to now it's this, and now it's that.
Speaker 2: And I'm wondering if the brothers knew her because they
Speaker 2: were getting some puss on the other side of town
Speaker 2: and maybe they got a reading or something, and maybe
Speaker 2: they got tight with her brother and they were like,
Speaker 2: let's run game on these people just seems like it'd
Speaker 2: be like, we're going to go to this town and
Speaker 2: we just so happened to know a fortune telling prostitute
Speaker 2: with pool brother that could come back and run this
Speaker 2: game with with us. Like that's so specific, you know,
Speaker 2: it's almost like they.
Speaker 5: Had Like that is a good point.
Speaker 3: In fact, it's a great point. And none of that
Speaker 3: can be proven or disproven. Another can be claimed or
Speaker 3: disclaimed that is not in there, But there is assumptions.
Speaker 3: The only assumptions was they might have known each other
Speaker 3: prior to this. But I think you're bringing up a
Speaker 3: great point, you know, it's kind of it's interesting. It
Speaker 3: is very.
Speaker 1: Interesting to Julia's point. When I was listening to it
Speaker 1: at the beginning and now listening to you, Julia, I
Speaker 1: wonder if they were about to get caught RD and dirty,
Speaker 1: and so they their whole game in that Oh oops,
Speaker 1: we invoke the ink in people and they know that
Speaker 1: it and so let's get someone who could pose as
Speaker 1: an Aztec priestess and change it up, do you know
Speaker 1: what I mean? And that probably the charade was falling apart,
Speaker 1: and so therefore they had to go get reconnaissance and
Speaker 1: then hence you know, they already knew who that person was,
Speaker 1: they knew that they could scam them, they knew that
Speaker 1: they could be in on the take.
Speaker 2: Yeah, because it's like this chick already likes to make
Speaker 2: money dirty. Yeah, you're not going to take a lot
Speaker 2: of convincing to be like, hey, come back with us,
Speaker 2: right right, It's like, hey, you don't even have to
Speaker 2: you don't even have to get as dirty. You know
Speaker 2: what I'm saying. We'll pay you for doing less if
Speaker 2: you come with us. So I think she found an
Speaker 2: easy way out.
Speaker 3: I would do it too.
Speaker 2: I'd be invoking all kinds of shit.
Speaker 3: Like get me out of here.
Speaker 2: My brother is literally pimping me. But nobody knows that yet,
Speaker 2: nobody knows anything about her. So there's they're still able
Speaker 2: to pull off this this charade.
Speaker 6: Yeah, right, right, acquisition in the matter, right, Like, aren't
Speaker 6: the locals they're Catholics, they're letting all this problem.
Speaker 3: No, No, there's no church, no nothing there like that.
Speaker 3: They were completely isolated. So there's no church in Electricity,
Speaker 3: no school as well. So you've got the perfect mark there.
Speaker 3: They're just they're just right for picking.
Speaker 6: Oh yeah, I just assumed the Catholics did a number
Speaker 6: of Mexico hundreds of years ago. They just got roll
Speaker 6: across the whole landscape.
Speaker 2: Yeah, they forgot this little po dunk town. They just
Speaker 2: skipped right over it.
Speaker 7: Now.
Speaker 3: So and also to boot to this, So the villagers
Speaker 3: also believed that. And I don't know who stated this,
Speaker 3: but if we're talking about like Catholics, so the villagers
Speaker 3: also believe that las Are was the reincarnation of Saint Francis.
Speaker 3: So they just ran with that. So there, so I
Speaker 3: know we're saying there's no church and there's no Catholic religion,
Speaker 3: but they had an idea of who Saint Francis was.
Speaker 3: So that's interesting.
Speaker 6: Yeah, when it was one time, if you didn't know
Speaker 6: who Saint Francis was, they they hung you upside down
Speaker 6: by the steak or something lit you on fire, you
Speaker 6: know what I mean.
Speaker 2: Oh my god.
Speaker 1: All of all of the missionary priests that came from
Speaker 1: Spain in the fifteen hundreds were all of the Saint
Speaker 1: Franciscan order. None of them came their order. It was
Speaker 1: predominant because it was in southern Spain where ernand Cortees predominated.
Speaker 1: In that one specific area of Mexico, and so it
Speaker 1: was all majority of that Franciscan order. The other orders
Speaker 1: went elsewhere North Mexico, South America and all that other stuff,
Speaker 1: but predominantly the area was a Franciscan order.
Speaker 2: Would you think that la is alaisar he knew that
Speaker 2: shit before he got to the little town. Maybe he
Speaker 2: had been exposed he was. He wanted to be in
Speaker 2: on the the scam too, like, oh, my sister's not
Speaker 2: going to get all the glory, Like I gotta be somebody.
Speaker 2: All right, you're Saint Francis, asshole, get up around.
Speaker 3: Maybe had a slight resemblance to Saint Francis and baby,
Speaker 3: and it could have went that way.
Speaker 2: Yeah, oh, we talked to animals. That's his thing.
Speaker 1: No, no, no, Saint Francis is that he could speak
Speaker 1: to him.
Speaker 3: Sorry, no, no, well, which is crazy that the he
Speaker 3: talked to animals, because what they end up doing right
Speaker 3: away is so un Saint Francis like yeah, because like
Speaker 3: the villagers then just accepted them, like yes, this is
Speaker 3: what we've been waiting for. And that's when it all
Speaker 3: really started. So Magdalena started taking control. At this point,
Speaker 3: she started introducing like these crazy things such as animal
Speaker 3: sacrifices and then big sexual acts like orgies and whatnot.
Speaker 3: And with the sacrifices, with the animal sacrifices, they started
Speaker 3: drinking the blood of these animals and mixing it with
Speaker 3: payote and marijuana as well. So this is where things
Speaker 3: started getting crazy, you know, just drug up everybody. Because
Speaker 3: of course, since the the cartel was in that area,
Speaker 3: they're not anymore there, there's still marijuana plants growing around,
Speaker 3: so that was a common thing in Biota, of course,
Speaker 3: is quite common in that area as well. Now now,
Speaker 3: now the big problem that is is this is that
Speaker 3: over time, Magdalena started to really believe in her herself,
Speaker 3: like in her own divinity, and and that's when she
Speaker 3: started like assuming leadership of the cult. Okay, So she
Speaker 3: started to believe in the the ruse itself right along
Speaker 3: with the villagers almost, he could say. So that's where
Speaker 3: things started escalating even more. And in this in this
Speaker 3: town also, there was this one beautiful girl named Selina.
Speaker 3: Selena was also slightly in on it, okay, so she
Speaker 3: was one of those appointed what is it, uh, like
Speaker 3: kind of like a priestess of the group. So she
Speaker 3: was appointed of that one as well. So what happened
Speaker 3: there was Magdalena ended up developing feelings like a bit
Speaker 3: of lust for Selena as well, so that will play
Speaker 3: part closer to the end. Okay, oh shit, the kids, Yeah,
Speaker 3: the the possible triangle. Yeah, yeah, now.
Speaker 2: I have I have just the quickest question ever, was
Speaker 2: was she did she believe in it? Because like she
Speaker 2: was like doing this which witchy stuff before they even
Speaker 2: got her inducted into this cult, Like she was summoning stuff,
Speaker 2: and like maybe she really did think.
Speaker 3: Like that's that, That's what I think. I think it
Speaker 3: ties in with it because she was already kind of
Speaker 3: getting into this mindset of like I am a fortune
Speaker 3: teller and I am channel these bruhas, and maybe there
Speaker 3: was part of her that actually believed that.
Speaker 7: Okay, right, yeah, but.
Speaker 2: Especially as like drinking the blood and doing the like,
Speaker 2: you know, even if it was me, if I was,
Speaker 2: I knew it was all kind of like a setup
Speaker 2: and it was I wouldn't be drinking it. No, thanks,
Speaker 2: you know, it's like how far do you get into it?
Speaker 1: Well, and I will say this, like in the Hispanic culture,
Speaker 1: at least in the Mexican culture, we do predominantly cook
Speaker 1: our food and blood so like like and stuff like that.
Speaker 1: I don't know if you ever had that in Mako
Speaker 1: it's geeseol I have with Yeah, you cook it in
Speaker 1: blood and stuff like that. It's it's it's one of
Speaker 1: those things that the people they're called compass. They would
Speaker 1: live off the land and you ate everything everything from
Speaker 1: intestine or whatever. You never let anything go to waste.
Speaker 1: And so it's predominantly that that was accepted, everything from brain, tongue, cheek, everything,
Speaker 1: and so that's very common in Hispanic culture.
Speaker 2: That's not I think there's throats and just like like
Speaker 2: doing like I.
Speaker 3: Don't know, but well in this one, they would they
Speaker 3: actually had like a ceremonial chalice that they were they
Speaker 3: were using to take them. Yes, yes, sorry, no, but
Speaker 3: yeah it's uh, it's so it's getting there where she
Speaker 3: she's taking more control of this. So and this is
Speaker 3: where again that that that that one was a step up.
Speaker 3: Now this is coming to another step up. Sorry you
Speaker 3: had a question.
Speaker 6: No, it was just gonna before moved past the animal sacrifice,
Speaker 6: not that I want to dwell on it, but what
Speaker 6: was just were there any.
Speaker 7: Dogs involved here? Maybe German shepherds?
Speaker 3: No, from what I heard it was chickens. It wasn't
Speaker 3: anything too crazy, so it was chickens. Could have been
Speaker 3: out other animals, of course, of course I've heard chickens.
Speaker 3: That is all that I've read, that I've done research on,
Speaker 3: and that's all I've gotten out.
Speaker 5: I mean, shepherds do come up a lot, though.
Speaker 6: I noticed there was a lot of German shepherds getting
Speaker 6: off to Mexico around those times. Well you know again
Speaker 6: like at least the point element south of there in
Speaker 6: the Yucatan.
Speaker 5: But nonetheless, well, I just even like with uh that
Speaker 5: that's associated with Go Go Beach. You know, Joe Biden's
Speaker 5: dog that kept biting people the whole time. He was
Speaker 5: a Germany shepherd.
Speaker 1: You do hear about germanyerd They would have had to
Speaker 1: been brought in because German shepherds are not intigenous to.
Speaker 3: Yes, exactly, especially that specific area too. I would not
Speaker 3: assume that they'd have any German shepherds. Maybe some local uh,
Speaker 3: maybe some local dogs that are just.
Speaker 6: Yeah, I think dogs dogs acrific in general is interesting
Speaker 6: because it does seem to circle around colts on numerous continents.
Speaker 2: M m mm hmmm mm hmmm. I agree with you
Speaker 2: on that one. They I think there was some dogs
Speaker 2: in the a Dolfo Constanzo stuff. I'm pretty sure there
Speaker 2: was some dogs.
Speaker 7: With that madam, the madam Morose one. Yeah, definitely gilling
Speaker 7: dogs up there.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 3: Anyways, ry, no, no worries, No worries. I like conversation.
Speaker 7: That was. I enjoyed that.
Speaker 3: So at this point again they started hitting a point
Speaker 3: where some of the villagers, a couple of the villagers
Speaker 3: were starting to like a little bit of dissent was happening,
Speaker 3: you know, except of the villagers were just like, I'm
Speaker 3: not buying this. I'm not into this, you know, big sex,
Speaker 3: orgies and this blood drinking and everything. So so they're
Speaker 3: like they're questioning everything that was being done. And the
Speaker 3: two brothers that started it all in the beginning, you know,
Speaker 3: the Hernandez brothers, they were talking about like yeah, time
Speaker 3: to go okay, So they were ready to cut it
Speaker 3: and leave. But Magdalena took it upon herself to solve
Speaker 3: the problem. And this is where she takes complete control.
Speaker 3: So she had another one of her rituals with biote
Speaker 3: and and orgies and everything and animal sacrificing and blood drinking.
Speaker 3: But the doing this ritual though. She said that the
Speaker 3: gods had told her that there are doubters in the village,
Speaker 3: and so she pointed out one of them and then
Speaker 3: they all proceeded to murder him in front of everyone. Okay,
Speaker 3: so in front of the villager. So it was then
Speaker 3: they just they bludgeoned him. It was usually with rocks,
Speaker 3: like bludging him with rocks now, and it said that
Speaker 3: at this point that's when she used the cup to
Speaker 3: that they were using to drink the chicken blood to.
Speaker 3: She started drinking blood from this dead guy.
Speaker 1: Okay, fuck, she kicked it up way a notch.
Speaker 4: Yes she did. Yes.
Speaker 2: See, that's why I think she started believing in this shit,
Speaker 2: because it's like you just took it to a homicidal place.
Speaker 2: And that's why I think, like this is me being
Speaker 2: my spiritual self and not my conspiracy self. When you
Speaker 2: do these things, I think you can invite like dark
Speaker 2: spirits to come into you. And I think that she
Speaker 2: probably was getting into some stuff she had no idea
Speaker 2: how powerful it actually was. Maybe like this story is.
Speaker 3: Like, oh, you know, she she got so into it.
Speaker 2: She's believing in the liars and stuff. Maybe she got
Speaker 2: so into it she actually started conjuring some shit. I mean,
Speaker 2: how many dead chickens do you need to drink the
Speaker 2: blood and like do all this before you actually start
Speaker 2: opening the doors to some some like dark stuff.
Speaker 3: Well it's like blood sex, magic, right.
Speaker 2: Right, yeah, and the orgies and the weird. Like you
Speaker 2: gotta think like this this started as a pretend thing
Speaker 2: and now it's like a real thing, Like they've brought
Speaker 2: it into the physical plane.
Speaker 3: Like exactly, and now like think of it, like what
Speaker 3: a way to control a village? Now, you know, you
Speaker 3: just murdered one of them for being a disbeliever, and
Speaker 3: in front of everyone, I.
Speaker 5: Was gonna ask do you think he was really a disbeliever?
Speaker 5: Do you think they were like, you know, we're just
Speaker 5: going to kill one person to prove a point, to
Speaker 5: scare everybody.
Speaker 3: No, it was definitely disbelieve. There was two men that
Speaker 3: were being these that were disbelieved. Now it's it's uncertain
Speaker 3: that they killed one or two. I'm leaning more to
Speaker 3: that it was only one. But you know, all you
Speaker 3: have to do is killed one and the other one
Speaker 3: is going to fall right in line. You're not going
Speaker 3: to get any dissent at that point. Yeah, Yeah, that
Speaker 3: is great control, right, and so, and at this point
Speaker 3: she had taken over the cult completely, and the brothers
Speaker 3: happily actually just stepped aside because they were along for
Speaker 3: the ride. Now, they weren't making any of those difficult
Speaker 3: decisions or doing any of that stuff. Now they're just
Speaker 3: kind of like, all right, just let it happen. And
Speaker 3: but nonetheless there's still part of it all. And it
Speaker 3: was specifically at this point that ever, that was stated
Speaker 3: that she actually believed that she was the reincarnation of
Speaker 3: the god Qualita qu.
Speaker 5: One thing. I did just go ahead, go ahead, really.
Speaker 2: Well, this is this is a real goddess though, this
Speaker 2: is a real.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I believe, Yeah, she she's I think the goddess
Speaker 1: which in meshika or sex lore, they believe snakes are
Speaker 1: life because you know, when you open someone up, all
Speaker 1: you see is snakes like intestines and blood vessels and whatever.
Speaker 1: And they believe that there is in bilber cord that
Speaker 1: connects all of the heavens. So I believe well was
Speaker 1: the goddess of the snakes. And if I'm not mistaken,
Speaker 1: I think she was like their Matusa or something like that,
Speaker 1: because what have you. She likes of the thing that
Speaker 1: we did.
Speaker 2: Sorry, she's like the feminized version of like quetso Couadal, yes,
Speaker 2: because the name is so similar, and that's like a
Speaker 2: masculine deity. But so okay, all right, so yeah, think
Speaker 2: about all this sacrifices and ship she's doing in the
Speaker 2: name of a very real deity, like of.
Speaker 3: Course, and she was so Yeah, she was considered the
Speaker 3: mother of the gods, the goddess of earth, nature, fertility, life,
Speaker 3: and death. So she was a the main goddess if
Speaker 3: you want to go, if you want to go there,
Speaker 3: So she was the goddess. So if you're gonna if
Speaker 3: you're going to be a goddess and portray a goddess,
Speaker 3: that's the one to portray.
Speaker 2: M h.
Speaker 7: Yeah.
Speaker 6: I wonder who taught her how to mix the you know,
Speaker 6: to mix the paodian with the blood, you know, to
Speaker 6: give the appearance of some sort of mystical power. I'm
Speaker 6: sure over her followers you know that maybe that's an
Speaker 6: enterprising con man tactic.
Speaker 7: I don't know. It just seems like someone may have
Speaker 7: taught her that.
Speaker 2: Have you guys read The Cosmic Serpent? Anybody know? But
Speaker 2: it's in my queue, Dude, I'm reading it right now.
Speaker 2: And JJ just mentioned something that's totally in the Cosmic
Speaker 2: Serpent about how how did ancients understand how to create ayahuasca?
Speaker 2: Out of eighty thousand Amazonian plants, they chose the two
Speaker 2: plants like the hallucinogenic and the one that shuts off
Speaker 2: the receptors in your stomach so you didn't pe you
Speaker 2: get back up, like they chose out of eighty thousand
Speaker 2: plants they chose. It's just like divinely inspired, they say. So.
Speaker 1: So I spoke to in Peru when I went down there,
Speaker 1: and they said God is very kind to the to
Speaker 1: the innocent mind that seeks his knowledge. And he says
Speaker 1: that they that they walk with the spirits, at least
Speaker 1: the shamans do, and that the spirits reveal to them
Speaker 1: what it is, but that they go into the forest
Speaker 1: and that they fast or whatever, and that the that
Speaker 1: the plants come alive and tell them how to be.
Speaker 1: You again, I'm just you know, repeating what I heard and.
Speaker 2: So, but that's but that's such a good point because
Speaker 2: it's like how far into this did she really get?
Speaker 2: Because I think like there's a level of psychopathy. But
Speaker 2: they at the same time, like she was actually doing
Speaker 2: like real stuff to bring about like real results when
Speaker 2: seeing the blood and doing all the in the like, dude,
Speaker 2: for real, she could have opened if.
Speaker 1: She was doing taro, then I would think that she
Speaker 1: was very much into that whole side of the arts points.
Speaker 3: Yeah, she's already into the dabbling into what she's in
Speaker 3: the occult, right, she.
Speaker 1: Would be very much into the whole what do you
Speaker 1: call them whatever and all about that reading the iris,
Speaker 1: reading the cards, reading your tea leaves a whole bit.
Speaker 5: Yeah.
Speaker 6: So is this like a normal Tarot system she was
Speaker 6: subscribing to or is this like a Mexican only Tarot
Speaker 6: system where we talking her that.
Speaker 7: I don't know.
Speaker 3: I would assume it would be just the regular taro.
Speaker 3: I don't know if there was any other ones around.
Speaker 5: The one thing I do want to, I guess ask
Speaker 5: or bring up again now this whole because I am
Speaker 5: trying to like I'm just wondering, like, what's the even
Speaker 5: the benefit of this? So now the whole reason that
Speaker 5: this even started and now they still like kind of
Speaker 5: just going along with like a free ride and tons
Speaker 5: of sex like like because that seems to be the
Speaker 5: only reason why they're still continuing. This is from the beginning,
Speaker 5: the idea of like, oh, we could just get laid
Speaker 5: and live here for free.
Speaker 3: Yeah, get get laid, live here for free, have all
Speaker 3: the food want just be yeah, god right.
Speaker 5: I don't know, it's just like that's it.
Speaker 3: That's how it all started.
Speaker 2: It honestly, Nick, It's like they wanted their own like kingdom.
Speaker 2: They wanted to be like kings of their kingdom. And
Speaker 2: like the way you control people is fear religion. You
Speaker 2: know that that the fear of death will get That
Speaker 2: would get me every time. It'd be like, oh dude,
Speaker 2: they're literally killing people now. I you know, at what
Speaker 2: point do you just kind of be like, this is
Speaker 2: really real. We should really listen to these people.
Speaker 6: And but it is.
Speaker 2: It is surprising to me that it got so out
Speaker 2: of hand that the guys who started the whole thing
Speaker 2: were just like, we're going to take a back seat
Speaker 2: to this. Uh, we fucked up and have fun. We're
Speaker 2: out of here.
Speaker 1: I think you something on your show, and I think
Speaker 1: it fits perfectly to this question. Is that here's this
Speaker 1: girl who was placed into prostitution and she had absolutely
Speaker 1: no control in her life, and now here she stepped
Speaker 1: into a stage where everyone listened to everything she said
Speaker 1: and she now could have control. And so that, I'm
Speaker 1: assuming is the ultimate high anyone can can want or perceive.
Speaker 3: Sure, I actually agree.
Speaker 7: Yeah.
Speaker 3: So anybody who's in a position where you don't have
Speaker 3: any control and then you're almost gifted these powers, people
Speaker 3: get like drunk on that. They get drunk on power.
Speaker 3: And I'm if you're into conspiracies, and I'm sure you
Speaker 3: know when the COVID was around that you've seen all
Speaker 3: these people who never had power before who are now
Speaker 3: gifted with all this power. You know, maybe your door
Speaker 3: checkers at Walmart and shit like that, or your Starbucks
Speaker 3: baristas and they're now drunk on power and telling you
Speaker 3: how to you know, you can't come in here, you
Speaker 3: can't do this, you know, And yeah, that's an easy
Speaker 3: example of it.
Speaker 5: You had dudes stocking shells in the supermarket wearing an
Speaker 5: Essential Worker shirt that thought they were.
Speaker 2: All the weird nerds that like nobody gave a shit
Speaker 2: about it became like your masters. Yes, shit, like you
Speaker 2: fucking work at Ross, Dude, Like, don't tell me I
Speaker 2: can't approach the cash register unless I'm like, are you
Speaker 2: It's Ross?
Speaker 4: Like you work at a store that's got arrows on
Speaker 4: the floor and you're following it.
Speaker 7: What is that?
Speaker 2: That's the first place I went into when they started
Speaker 2: that ship. I was like, this is fucking ross, Like
Speaker 2: you guys sell birdhouses and underwear? Why are you telling
Speaker 2: me how to live my life? And it's just like
Speaker 2: they gave power to like the useless nerds of society.
Speaker 2: I'm telling you it just it's crazy. But that is
Speaker 2: a good example of what's going on. It's just like
Speaker 2: a couple of weird nerds who got a prostitute with
Speaker 2: some mental instability in her pimp brother and they started
Speaker 2: a cult and then they actually opened up the door
Speaker 2: to some really real shit in my opinion.
Speaker 3: Oh completely, completely, Yeah, the example I gave you was
Speaker 3: just a just a tip of the iceberg in comparison
Speaker 3: to this, you know, and it was and yeah, yeah,
Speaker 3: it's crazy. It is crazy. So I can continue if
Speaker 3: you guys want, Yeah, yeah, all right, all right. So
Speaker 3: now so now under her command, like this cult, now,
Speaker 3: any of the members, which is the villagers, anybody who
Speaker 3: expressed like they want to leave or you know, they
Speaker 3: want out, we're publicly executed. Okay, So yes, yeah, uh,
Speaker 3: and and remember there's not that many people living here, right,
Speaker 3: so you know you're but I guess you know, you
Speaker 3: kill a couple and you have that you have that uh,
Speaker 3: that control and and that that's when also Magdalena started
Speaker 3: to introduce like these blood rituals, which were inspired by
Speaker 3: the Aztecs, you know, where they when there was any
Speaker 3: dissenting members, they would they were tortured, mutilated and then
Speaker 3: left to bleed to death. And when they did that,
Speaker 3: they would collect their their blood and mix it with
Speaker 3: marijuana or piote, and that that of course was then
Speaker 3: consumed by Magdalena and other cult members. Now she actually
Speaker 3: believed that this, and and the cult members actually believed
Speaker 3: that this granted them supernatural powers, and she, Magdalena herself
Speaker 3: believed that it sustained her. It even like and this
Speaker 3: this process even escalated more when they started to rip
Speaker 3: the hearts out of their victims and eat them as well.
Speaker 2: So straight up, yeah, that is like straight up as tech,
Speaker 2: like old school as tech ship. Where'd she get that
Speaker 2: idea from?
Speaker 3: You know exactly? And you wonder was she does she
Speaker 3: actually know this or was this being channeled through her
Speaker 3: by some demon?
Speaker 2: But I'm with the ladder of those two things obviously, but.
Speaker 3: I believe that there is some crossover in that in
Speaker 3: that area that you know, we start going a little
Speaker 3: bit supernatural. But and she believed, like the people believe
Speaker 3: that this granted them supernatural powers, which is just crazy.
Speaker 2: Now, but who's to say that it didn't, you know,
Speaker 2: like I'm almost.
Speaker 3: Thinking maybe I'm gonna make a bulletproof that's for sure.
Speaker 5: You know what the problem is, you know, like you
Speaker 5: know how I mean this is just because I know
Speaker 5: of things that I've seen in movies, and who knows
Speaker 5: if you already know the timing and stuff, and you
Speaker 5: just want people to be like dumb. Now, I'm not
Speaker 5: saying that the lady did this, but like I do
Speaker 5: wonder if there's like things that you could even do
Speaker 5: to really make these people believe like this needs to
Speaker 5: be dumb, because like from what I'm getting at is
Speaker 5: in a movie I saw, Fuck, I think Bill Gibson
Speaker 5: did it to Apocalypto. Those people were killing people until
Speaker 5: the eclipse ended our game. Now, if you know one's coming,
Speaker 5: you could play off that, Like did she use things
Speaker 5: that she could even even have played off to even
Speaker 5: make these people think that she was legit that much more.
Speaker 3: And I mean you really not havegumented or anything. But
Speaker 3: who knows, you know, for but yeah, who truly knows.
Speaker 3: Not many people know those specifics of it. But I
Speaker 3: guess if we go back, you know, if you go
Speaker 3: back to the time period and you look at it,
Speaker 3: there probably was some maybe there was some solar solar
Speaker 3: activity going on or celestial activity that maybe they could
Speaker 3: have played with as well.
Speaker 2: Does pioti get you fucked up?
Speaker 7: Oh? Yeah?
Speaker 2: Really? So it's like tripping balls.
Speaker 7: Or is it like a mile more than acid? More
Speaker 7: than aid?
Speaker 5: But for me though, I I only did it, I
Speaker 5: mean once, maybe twice. I left my ass off though
Speaker 5: more than I did on acid. Or I mean I
Speaker 5: told you.
Speaker 7: It's a good time.
Speaker 3: Do you feel I don't. Oh yeah, Piote is completely spiritual.
Speaker 3: That is, that is definitely a spiritual.
Speaker 2: If you mixed it with like a dead guy's blood
Speaker 2: and smoked it, like maybe they've Maybe that's why I'm saying,
Speaker 2: like maybe they did see stuff and like you know,
Speaker 2: absolutely I was looking at you.
Speaker 1: I was looking to see if iron enhances the effects
Speaker 1: of masculine you know, of psychoactive and I'm I'm pretty
Speaker 1: sure if I deep dive into it'll find something, But
Speaker 1: I don't know. I mean, because masculine kind of acts
Speaker 1: on your norropenephrine epinephrine mechanism sympathetic, and you know, the
Speaker 1: heart rate will change and so'll your increasing temperatures. Everything's
Speaker 1: like heightened, kind of like with the LSD. Everything's heightened, right,
Speaker 1: you become a cat. You feel everything, you hear everything.
Speaker 2: So I'm, well, how about this one, Lisa, how about
Speaker 2: this one? You know how they're always talking about like
Speaker 2: adrenalized blood, you know, can get you high on its own.
Speaker 2: What if what if they're they're murdering these people, they're
Speaker 2: scaring the ship out of them. They get them nice
Speaker 2: and adrenalized, they siphon off that adrenalized blood. Didn't they
Speaker 2: mix it with the peyote? They probably got the spirits
Speaker 2: coming out their asshole.
Speaker 6: Dude.
Speaker 2: That's why I think that they were really dabbling into
Speaker 2: some stuff.
Speaker 6: They're just chugging this this uh you know, this psychoeic blood,
Speaker 6: and you know they're gonna they can convince them of whatever.
Speaker 6: It just sounds like a massive Mexican MK culture type
Speaker 6: experiments that I'm right.
Speaker 2: That's what I was thinking.
Speaker 1: It was the proto, the proto.
Speaker 4: Yeah she was. She was like, Yo, Charles Manson ain't
Speaker 4: got shit on me.
Speaker 7: Yeah you didn't. He was just dealing with that.
Speaker 4: Cias like, I'm slicing next for this ship.
Speaker 2: He has the generic shit these guys are making. This
Speaker 2: is some homemade fucking concoctions and stuff. I'm so intrigued
Speaker 2: right now. I cannot wait to hear how this ends.
Speaker 1: Oh okay, sorry, sorry.
Speaker 3: No, no worries, no worries. Unfortunately, it is coming to
Speaker 3: an end now.
Speaker 7: So this, this whole.
Speaker 3: Charade, I don't even call her charade anymore because it's
Speaker 3: it's past that, right. This is like this, this nightmare.
Speaker 3: It went on for about six weeks, and now the
Speaker 3: guestimate of how many people were killed were anywhere between
Speaker 3: six to fourteen. I know that's like a large and
Speaker 3: you know it could be like six to eight, which
Speaker 3: would be small, but they say anywhere between six to fourteen.
Speaker 3: And it's really unknown because you know there wasn't and
Speaker 3: you'll find out later, is that a lot of people
Speaker 3: weren't talking about this. So now in May of nineteen
Speaker 3: sixty three, this is We're going to go back to Selena.
Speaker 2: Now.
Speaker 3: If remember Selena, Selena was the love interest of Magdalena, okay,
Speaker 3: And so Selena ended up having a little fora with
Speaker 3: Santos Sernandez that was one of the original brothers, and
Speaker 3: Magdalena had kind of caught them and she was not
Speaker 3: happy about this. So now Magdalena kind of made this
Speaker 3: ultimatum and she said that for the riches to be presented,
Speaker 3: like if we are getting these riches, if we're giving
Speaker 3: you these wrenches riches, a true believer needed to be sacrificed, okay,
Speaker 3: and this true believer, of course, would be rewarded in
Speaker 3: the heavens. That was that was the claim by Magdalena.
Speaker 3: So Magdalena got Selena onto the altar and bashed her
Speaker 3: head in with a rock.
Speaker 2: A woman scorned right.
Speaker 1: Hispanic.
Speaker 2: Oh, I'm sure, And.
Speaker 3: Like I said, this is where it kind of all
Speaker 3: humul comes to the climax of it all.
Speaker 7: So what now?
Speaker 3: While this is happening, there was a fourteen year old
Speaker 3: boy named Sebastian Guerrero and he was out exploring near
Speaker 3: the village of Yuwena. Somebody was saying he's exploring or
Speaker 3: he was just walking to another nearby village. And that
Speaker 3: nearby village was called what was it called? Again, I
Speaker 3: have this, I should know this uh La gran Villa
Speaker 3: Grand Okay, So that's where he was, that's where he
Speaker 3: was going to be headed to. Now he was near
Speaker 3: the feet of the eastern Sierra Madre mountains, and this
Speaker 3: area has tons of caves, and that's where they were
Speaker 3: doing a lot of these things. They weren't doing these
Speaker 3: these sacrifices right in the middle of the village. They
Speaker 3: were taking these to this caves. And now, yeah, so
Speaker 3: and these caves I think I might have or I
Speaker 3: might have glazed over. This is that lot. There was
Speaker 3: lots of legends about these caves having hidden treasure, so
Speaker 3: this was something else that maybe these guys knew about
Speaker 3: or played on as well. And so it was dark,
Speaker 3: and Guerrero said he saw something that intrigued him. He
Speaker 3: saw these like these flickering lights coming from a nearby cave.
Speaker 3: And so as he got closer to this cave, he
Speaker 3: started hearing sounds. He started hearing humans, and not sounds
Speaker 3: of talking or singing, but he just heard some noises.
Speaker 3: He couldn't make it out really, and he also caught
Speaker 3: a whiff of like incense, probably copal, which was used
Speaker 3: by the Asteco. And now with his curiosity growing, he
Speaker 3: he you know, pushed past pushed past his fear, and
Speaker 3: he approached the mouth of the cave and he he
Speaker 3: stayed really quiet and out of sight, and he cautiously
Speaker 3: peered inside the cave and what he saw shocked him.
Speaker 3: The inside the cave, he saw a ton of these
Speaker 3: villagers naked, all having sex while others were passing around
Speaker 3: like this ceremonial chalice, like this chalice, and they're drinking
Speaker 3: this dark fluid. And he says, at the far end
Speaker 3: of the cave, upon an altar, that's where he saw
Speaker 3: where the dark fluid was coming from. It was a
Speaker 3: human that had been hacked to pieces, so most likely Selena.
Speaker 3: And there was the final drops of the blood that
Speaker 3: were coming from her were being collected. Now standing above
Speaker 3: everyone on a rock inside this cave was Magdalena Solis
Speaker 3: and she was holding the heart of the victim of Selena.
Speaker 7: So that is.
Speaker 3: There is this is it?
Speaker 7: Yeah?
Speaker 3: So Grell took off running, you know, he snuck out
Speaker 3: of there, made sure no one could hear him, So
Speaker 3: he took off running and he ran the fifteen mind
Speaker 3: else to the town of Bi La Grande, okay, and
Speaker 3: that's where the closest police station was. And so when
Speaker 3: he got there, he tried explaining to the to the
Speaker 3: police what he saw, and he he wasn't doing a
Speaker 3: very good job of it. He was saying, the villagers
Speaker 3: were drinking blood like vampires. And you know, if you
Speaker 3: heard this from this kid, you know, like this fourteen
Speaker 3: year old boy, you're like, uh, whatever, you know, And
Speaker 3: that's what the police did. They actually laughed at him.
Speaker 3: They thought, they kind of said that his imagination was
Speaker 3: getting the best of him. They're like, no, no, So
Speaker 3: they didn't believe him, but he wouldn't stop. So he
Speaker 3: just kept on insisting that something horrific was going on
Speaker 3: in these caves. So finally the next day, finally the
Speaker 3: one inspector Luis Martinez, he said, okay, okay, I'll go
Speaker 3: with you, you to check it out, okay. And that
Speaker 3: was the last that anybody had seen or heard from
Speaker 3: them ever again, of.
Speaker 2: The police officer or the police.
Speaker 3: Of the police officer and the boy, they disappeared because
Speaker 3: the boy had to go back to show him this.
Speaker 3: So the boy you know, like how brave was this
Speaker 3: kid to go back and this police officer went with them,
Speaker 3: so neither would be seen alive again.
Speaker 2: That was it.
Speaker 3: That was the last they saw, damn.
Speaker 2: So they got a blood ritual on them too, yes, yes,
Speaker 2: And so the police went to go look for this
Speaker 2: other guy, right, and they found okay, yeah.
Speaker 3: So following that, then the police in vie La Grand
Speaker 3: they they realized that their inspector is not coming back,
Speaker 3: so they knew something was going on, so they reached
Speaker 3: out and contacted Alberto Gomez. He was a police inspector
Speaker 3: in Monterrey, and with with his help, they organized a
Speaker 3: police and military operation. Okay, because like they brought in
Speaker 3: a helicopter and everything, and they brought in like a
Speaker 3: couple of battalions of military men. They knew something was
Speaker 3: going on then, you know, they actually then believed that
Speaker 3: this boy was telling them some truth. So what happened then,
Speaker 3: now this is like the ultimate ultimate showdown. So the
Speaker 3: it led to a shootout, you know, where the one
Speaker 3: brother Santo Ernandez was shot and killed. He was they're
Speaker 3: doing the shootout and he was trying to run away.
Speaker 3: They killed him, and so guy at Dano, which is
Speaker 3: the other brother, and Jesus Roberto, which was the one
Speaker 3: villager who knew everything was he knew what was going on.
Speaker 3: They they they ran off and they hit and they
Speaker 3: got away. But and what their plan was, They're gonna
Speaker 3: wait till this all blew over. We're gonna go hide
Speaker 3: in his case and wait for it ultimately over and
Speaker 3: then they could, you know, come back and regain control
Speaker 3: role of this town again after the military and the
Speaker 3: police left. But that's where greed takes control. But Jesus
Speaker 3: took it upon himself to well, I can now be
Speaker 3: in controlled. So he actually killed Guya Dano, So he
Speaker 3: used a rock and murdered him. So that was, you know,
Speaker 3: like this has just gone absolute off the rails. Now,
Speaker 3: So the police and the military they find Magdalena and
Speaker 3: her brother and they are high as a kite off
Speaker 3: their rockers in a house. Okay, so they arrest them
Speaker 3: and they also discover Jesus as well, and so they
Speaker 3: arrest him as well. Now all the maining villagers were arrested.
Speaker 3: A few were killed in the shootout though, so that
Speaker 3: is what happened. They arrested every single person of this town.
Speaker 3: Every single person was arrested, which is crazy. You know,
Speaker 3: they took everybody away. Yeah, so that's where we say
Speaker 3: that at this point that is kind of like, oh,
Speaker 3: they didn't get.
Speaker 2: Out on like good behavior or anything, did they?
Speaker 3: No? And unfortunately, so unfortunately the trail runs cold as
Speaker 3: to what exactly happened to Magdalena, Like I can tell
Speaker 3: you what happened in courts and that. So, so what
Speaker 3: happened is the.
Speaker 7: So they.
Speaker 3: They took them to court and Magdalena was sentenced to fit.
Speaker 3: Magdalena and alas are alis Are were convicted of two
Speaker 3: murders and sentenced to fifty years in prison. Now, the
Speaker 3: villagers wouldn't testify against Magdalena because they were still terrified
Speaker 3: that we should do something to them. They thought they
Speaker 3: still were convinced she was a god. So they did. Yeah,
Speaker 3: and allegedly the authorities discovered the mutilated bodies of several victims,
Speaker 3: including Guerrero and the investigator, near the cult ritual sites.
Speaker 3: Now that is not really one hundred percent, So that
Speaker 3: is it wasn't sure if they actually found them or not.
Speaker 3: That's you hear from multiple people that some people say no,
Speaker 3: they never found them, or yes they did. So but
Speaker 3: it is they did find mutilated bodies of some of
Speaker 3: the victims, and that's why we get such a random
Speaker 3: number between six to fourteen.
Speaker 2: She didn't get let out though, right.
Speaker 3: No, no, Now, the so her and her brother got
Speaker 3: fifty years and the remaining cult members, including Haesus, were
Speaker 3: given thirty year sentences, okay, And the reason why they
Speaker 3: got thirty instead of fifties because there's considerations giving to
Speaker 3: their illiteracy and impoverished backgrounds. They felt sorry for them,
Speaker 3: but they they put everyone in jail like that was
Speaker 3: almost a life sentence for for most of them. Now,
Speaker 3: Magdalena ended up disappearing in the system. Like I was saying,
Speaker 3: they don't really know what happened to her or where
Speaker 3: she actually went, so that.
Speaker 2: You know that as yeah, suspect to me, like they
Speaker 2: let her ass out right or.
Speaker 6: Something about the studio you too, we had any of
Speaker 6: the details here. Sounds like this might have been.
Speaker 7: A large scale affair, like where are these folks?
Speaker 3: It was? It ended was getting an arsenal from It
Speaker 3: ended really really fast, is from what I understand. It
Speaker 3: was over very quick. It wasn't a you know, I'm
Speaker 3: sure some of them had some rifles and that was it.
Speaker 3: So they said a shootout. But I'm assuming this a
Speaker 3: couple of them had rifles and the rest of them
Speaker 3: maybe had machetes and other tool implements to you to
Speaker 3: try to a good attack.
Speaker 6: But they all because when you said shootout, I was thinking, well,
Speaker 6: they've already got peoty in marijuana.
Speaker 7: They running drugs and set guns up.
Speaker 3: Yeah, it was because that. Yeah, it was because of
Speaker 3: the cartel in the beginning. Who's who's to say that
Speaker 3: they didn't have any weapons left over from the cartel
Speaker 3: when the cartel was there, you know, they might have
Speaker 3: left some things.
Speaker 6: They might have been the new owners of the cartail, right,
Speaker 6: new franchise owners of that operation.
Speaker 3: Exactly.
Speaker 1: I'm trying to think. Was it was it golf cartel
Speaker 1: that was still in power in nineteen sixties in that area.
Speaker 1: I don't know that.
Speaker 7: I don't know. Now.
Speaker 2: It's so similar to the Adolpho, isn't it It is?
Speaker 1: It is, thank you, thank you, very very similar.
Speaker 2: So similar. And they let that guy go, I mean
Speaker 2: they fake, he faked his death and they let him go,
Speaker 2: and it's like they lost this girl in the system.
Speaker 3: Yeah, no one, No one knows No one knows where
Speaker 3: she No one knows because they.
Speaker 2: Fucking let her out. Dude, for one hundred they let
Speaker 2: her out, or they didn't even the trial didn't even happen,
Speaker 2: and they didn't even you know what I mean.
Speaker 3: It's like, I'm sure the trial happened, but they just
Speaker 3: shipped her in. Then I don't know, maybe she conjured
Speaker 3: up some some Aztec goddess ship, then.
Speaker 2: She conjured up a government. I'm telling you, we got
Speaker 2: to look into it. He knows somebody, somebody knew her.
Speaker 3: Or maybe maybe there were some supernatural powers granted by
Speaker 3: the drinking of this and they brought her in to
Speaker 3: study her further.
Speaker 2: Well, they could be studying the ship out of her,
Speaker 2: but she's somewhere and they let it. They let her
Speaker 2: ass go, or.
Speaker 1: She, in my opinion, the oracle of a drug lord.
Speaker 2: Something. They love that ship. There's no way you're gonna
Speaker 2: let a cult leader like this go because if they
Speaker 2: let Adolfo go, why would they let her. Why would
Speaker 2: they put her up like She's got a whole ass,
Speaker 2: you know, cult behind her death, cult.
Speaker 3: That drinks the blood. Now, one thing to know about
Speaker 3: this is that there is so many stories out there,
Speaker 3: trying to find the truth is extremely difficult because it
Speaker 3: you know, with legends and even conspiracies, you know, everybody
Speaker 3: adds into the pot and it gets so difficult to
Speaker 3: actually find the truth. And being in conspiracies, I'm sure
Speaker 3: you guys know that. You know, the government will throw
Speaker 3: in three quarters of those conspiracies to really throw us
Speaker 3: off the trail. You know, they try to redirect us.
Speaker 3: And who's who's to say that, you know, when you're
Speaker 3: searching for this, that's not it, and like to to
Speaker 3: add creatas to that. You know, when when you google
Speaker 3: Magdalena Solas and the picture that comes up, I would say,
Speaker 3: you know, seventy five percent of the pictures that come
Speaker 3: up are not Magdalena Solis. Okay, it's Dagmar o Ogilbee
Speaker 3: and who was a Danish serial killer who died thirty
Speaker 3: years before all this happened. So if you google it
Speaker 3: and you see this one picture, it's not that's not her.
Speaker 3: That's not right.
Speaker 7: I'm already there.
Speaker 3: Let me, uh, I had I had that open, but
Speaker 3: I'm gonna.
Speaker 5: Yeah. I remember hearing that on your show, and I
Speaker 5: went to go check, and I did notice two different pictures,
Speaker 5: but there is one that it seem to have a
Speaker 5: lot more.
Speaker 2: Is there a big Is it a big fat lady
Speaker 2: in a pink dress? No?
Speaker 3: No, so no so Megala. You'll see one where she's
Speaker 3: got like a lace top and a bow on her front.
Speaker 3: That's not that's a That is a Dagmar. That's Dagmar.
Speaker 7: Okay.
Speaker 3: So the other one, yes, who has the mole. The
Speaker 3: one who has the mole is Magdalena Solis.
Speaker 5: That is weird though, if you were to like put
Speaker 5: in Magdalena Sola's I have incident, and then in Google
Speaker 5: and I went over to images, you'll see, Yeah, it's
Speaker 5: probably I would say on my end it's about half
Speaker 5: and half. That is wild that you will see.
Speaker 3: The one hunter. That's exactly it. I agree. It's always
Speaker 3: about this confusion and misdirection to take you into a
Speaker 3: different way to when you're doing any type of research.
Speaker 3: You know, like I talk about that with like think
Speaker 3: about Walt Disney. You know, is Walt Disney frozen? Is
Speaker 3: his body crowdgantically frozen? Well, why don't you type in
Speaker 3: Walt Disney frozen and see what comes up? Oh, we
Speaker 3: got the cartoon frozen. You know, it's all about these
Speaker 3: like we'll take you here. It just makes it a
Speaker 3: little more difficult to actually find the truth.
Speaker 2: Yeah, they even did a I don't know if you
Speaker 2: watch this, but they did an American Dad episode on
Speaker 2: that about like I did not Disney being frozen in
Speaker 2: the theme park. And but anyways, let me just ask
Speaker 2: you your personal opinion. I don't know where you ride
Speaker 2: on the conspiracy stream, but are you more spiritual with this?
Speaker 3: Oh?
Speaker 2: Us too? But like if you had a look at
Speaker 2: it from like a spiritual perspective, if you had to
Speaker 2: look at it from you know, they've added spices to
Speaker 2: this and maybe some of it is you know, just
Speaker 2: made up. Like what what do you think about all it?
Speaker 3: Well, bottom line is that there was some people who
Speaker 3: went off the rails after drinking blood. I believe that
Speaker 3: blood drinking happened for sure. Okay, what human drug? Blood drinking? Yeah,
Speaker 3: I think that happened as well. Whether it came down
Speaker 3: to the actual heart coming up, there is stories about that,
Speaker 3: and they did have the mutilated bodies, But I believe
Speaker 3: that a lot of this legitimately happened to what what
Speaker 3: degree was it fantasized and escalated and made a lot more.
Speaker 3: I don't know, Hollywood esque, I can't say, but there
Speaker 3: was a group of people who took over a town
Speaker 3: and they killed and murdered a lot of people. Now
Speaker 3: I'm on the I'm on the boat of that. There
Speaker 3: definitely was some form of possession in there. I believe
Speaker 3: there was some sort of demonic possession, especially when they
Speaker 3: started drinking the blood of these animals or these for
Speaker 3: sure the blood of the people, you know, like that
Speaker 3: is one And when you talked about like they had
Speaker 3: drenalized a blood, you know, that is something else that well,
Speaker 3: we know that it It gives people a high, right,
Speaker 3: It's yeah, not only you're mixing with pyote, you're you're
Speaker 3: having this this this high as well. And I'm I'm
Speaker 3: I believe that there was definitely some possession. And you know,
Speaker 3: was she actually possessed by a demon or or was
Speaker 3: she believing this was you know, herself. I think she
Speaker 3: became you know, I don't know, drunk with power and
Speaker 3: and it just took it over. It took her over,
Speaker 3: and she allowed herself to be she allowed herself to
Speaker 3: be a receptacle for for a entity.
Speaker 2: Mm hm, I yeah, I would agree with you on that.
Speaker 2: It kind of reminds me of did you ever watch
Speaker 2: the movie The Mist? Stephen King?
Speaker 3: I know the movie, but I have not watched it.
Speaker 2: It's basically like if you get a small group of
Speaker 2: people together, there was one superligious lady who ended up
Speaker 2: like saying, you know, oh, we got it.
Speaker 3: We got to make the great.
Speaker 2: Sacrifices, right, you know what I'm talking about, Nick? And
Speaker 2: it always comes it always ends up in like blood
Speaker 2: sacrifices because there were these monster things outside of this
Speaker 2: grocery store that lived in the mist or whatever, and
Speaker 2: she would say, you know, we have to throw one
Speaker 2: person out and let them get eaten and you know,
Speaker 2: fucked up by this creature so it won't get us.
Speaker 2: And it's like anytime you get like you take a
Speaker 2: small group of people, you put one religious wacko in
Speaker 2: the middle, it always ends up in like blood sacrificing,
Speaker 2: and you know, it's just it makes you think, how
Speaker 2: many times has this story repeated itself throughout history and
Speaker 2: we still don't get it. I almost feel like COVID
Speaker 2: was one of those things. It's like, put people in
Speaker 2: mass hysteria, give us one fucking weirdo that's got all
Speaker 2: the answers and watch everybody eat each other alive. It's
Speaker 2: just I don't know, it's it's just like a tale is.
Speaker 3: Old at time, like and your blood sacrifices will lock
Speaker 3: all the old people in the old folks home with
Speaker 3: people who got this COVID here.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, yeah, for sure.
Speaker 3: Crazy.
Speaker 1: I will say that the type of activity with the
Speaker 1: killing and the mutilation and the ritualized dismemberment and something
Speaker 1: it and not not that I'm trying to normalize it,
Speaker 1: but it is common among cartels. I mean, I think
Speaker 1: in some respects, I think people had even said that
Speaker 1: the that the ritual killings of cartels was worse than isis.
Speaker 1: And so I do know from living in South Texas
Speaker 1: that there were many times that people came upon sites
Speaker 1: that were witness to what was left behind and it
Speaker 1: was not, you know, obviously easy to look at, but
Speaker 1: and this is something that's common. And I think somebody
Speaker 1: I'll even go off and speculate that they had said,
Speaker 1: what you know, what do you think is happening? And
Speaker 1: they said, well, I think the the people, the Esseet
Speaker 1: people have come back right to reclaim and because of
Speaker 1: the type of stylized killings, the type of stylized whatever.
Speaker 1: And so when you hear about things like this with Montdalena,
Speaker 1: you hear about adultfo you hear about these things, it's
Speaker 1: almost like like lockstep. You know that it's just a
Speaker 1: continuation of what was happening back then. But it is
Speaker 1: very unusual that she kind of fell through the cracks
Speaker 1: or slipped through the system conveniently, maybe out of her
Speaker 1: own you know, kind of wits to kind of slip out,
Speaker 1: or somebody picked her up, or you know, maybe it
Speaker 1: was an opt to begin with and somebody picked her up.
Speaker 2: Dude, I'm leaning that way.
Speaker 1: To the east side, and you're gonna try it on
Speaker 1: some higher level people. I don't know.
Speaker 2: Well, it's it's like I've been saying this recently, and
Speaker 2: I just I feel like it fits this because we
Speaker 2: can speculate, right, and they'll call it like you're speculating,
Speaker 2: you know, you're adding stuff that we can't verify. But
Speaker 2: they there has been such a concerted effort to get
Speaker 2: us to not believe our own eyes and not being
Speaker 2: able to put clues together and like not be able
Speaker 2: to take like storylines and infer detail, like you're giving
Speaker 2: me this story right, and you want me not to
Speaker 2: believe my own eyes. It bothers me because it's like, yeah, okay,
Speaker 2: maybe I'm speculating, but it's like a dolpho. Okay, they
Speaker 2: obviously faked that motherfucker's death, right he escaped with the
Speaker 2: Only thing this story is made sing about Magdalena is
Speaker 2: like she turned out to be trans in the end.
Speaker 2: It has all the freaking bookmarks of like, don't believe
Speaker 2: your own eyes, don't look over here. Nothing just a
Speaker 2: bunch of crazy people, and you know, and she got
Speaker 2: lost in the system, but believe us, she's in jail, okay,
Speaker 2: because you said so. And it's just like what really
Speaker 2: was going on out there? You know, I'm starting to
Speaker 2: lean towards this could have been another like program to
Speaker 2: kill cult just like Adolfo and all those places. And
Speaker 2: what was it, I said, Lisa, where they had the
Speaker 2: sweat shops and they were like killing the workers and
Speaker 2: shit was it? Yeah, warez Yep and wares and they
Speaker 2: were stealing all the factory workers and like selling them
Speaker 2: for mutual mutual, ritual ritual killings and stuff. But it
Speaker 2: just seems to me like they have a plan out
Speaker 2: there and they're able to get away with more stuff
Speaker 2: because they're not like keeping up with shit like this
Speaker 2: is the first time I've ever heard about this.
Speaker 3: Why, you know what, because this one has been covered
Speaker 3: up greatly. Like my brother in law, he's a Mexican
Speaker 3: and he is into all of this kind of dark
Speaker 3: conspiracy stuff, you know, like these things. Specifically, he had
Speaker 3: no idea. He had no idea. The only person who
Speaker 3: I talked to from this area who knew anything was
Speaker 3: a thirteen year old boy who loves history. He is
Speaker 3: he just you know, takes in any and all history,
Speaker 3: and he's the only one who knew about it. No
Speaker 3: one else had any idea about this at all.
Speaker 2: And it's like, do these people not have families? Like
Speaker 2: does Magdalene? It was just her brother and like no
Speaker 2: family members.
Speaker 3: No, Like, well, if her brother's pimping are out at
Speaker 3: twelve years old, you know, I'm thinking the family really
Speaker 3: wasn't there or around as much.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, I mean you're probably right about that.
Speaker 6: And I'm not surprised you get lost in the system.
Speaker 6: They're in prison because this lady's clearly and I asked
Speaker 6: that she's very effective.
Speaker 7: At what she was doing.
Speaker 3: Yes, or she convinced someone, or she was able to
Speaker 3: convince someone, you know, to to take her in, you know,
Speaker 3: like some sort of public official.
Speaker 7: She was able to convince a lot of Yeah, not
Speaker 7: just the prostitution ones.
Speaker 1: The prison system in Mexico is is a very loose system, correct,
Speaker 1: it's I think the rumor was that in the prison
Speaker 1: systems in Mexico, you could, you know, show up on
Speaker 1: the weekends or show up every other day, or do
Speaker 1: you know, you had all kinds of luxuries in the
Speaker 1: prison system. Correct me if I'm wrong, but.
Speaker 3: I believe the luxuries. I'm not sure about showing up though,
Speaker 3: And like.
Speaker 1: When I was, I was trying to be loose about it.
Speaker 5: But yeah, real real quick. When I was, I did
Speaker 5: hear from a lot of dudes when I believe it
Speaker 5: or not. When I was in federal prison, there was
Speaker 5: actually a fuck ton of people waiting to get supported.
Speaker 5: Believe it. There is a ton of people wasting up
Speaker 5: space in prison actually that are not here legally. And they, oh,
Speaker 5: it was so many it was ridiculous. I hate to say,
Speaker 5: but if they had brown skin in federal prison, it
Speaker 5: was like odds are it was cocaine or you're really
Speaker 5: illegal reentry. Yeah, they wait years to even get fucking
Speaker 5: sent home.
Speaker 4: It's ridiculous. Cut Yeah, fuck, I forgot where I was
Speaker 4: going with.
Speaker 5: Oh, but I saw I was able to talk to
Speaker 5: a lot of dudes that actually did time in Mexican prison,
Speaker 5: and they'll be The thing is is that a lot
Speaker 5: of them it was already their second or third time too,
Speaker 5: which is really interesting, and like sometimes when you go
Speaker 5: back you will have to do time in your own,
Speaker 5: you know, good country. And they were saying, for a fact,
Speaker 5: they said, if you have money and you end up
Speaker 5: in Mexican prison, you will live a completely different life
Speaker 5: than everybody else.
Speaker 4: In that does.
Speaker 5: They said, there's people that they know that if like
Speaker 5: they're rich and they can hold their money, like they're
Speaker 5: rich enough to where they'll be rich until they get out.
Speaker 5: They'll knock a wall down and give them two selves.
Speaker 5: If you want to pay for it, still bring up prostitutes,
Speaker 5: still bring in food. They said, if you have money,
Speaker 5: you will live completely different in Mexican prison.
Speaker 3: They'll they'll bring in stuff as well. That it definitely hurts.
Speaker 5: Yeah, hey, guys told me that they definitely I mean again,
Speaker 5: that whole thing was not going to wall down. I
Speaker 5: don't know about that, but like that does sound extreme,
Speaker 5: but I've had multiple people tell me that, like sex
Speaker 5: in food is still an option while you're in that prison.
Speaker 2: Well, is it just for rich people or.
Speaker 5: Yeah?
Speaker 3: Right?
Speaker 2: Is it just who you know though? Too, because like
Speaker 2: they said, you just got to have money stories. Actually
Speaker 2: I haven't heard stories I read in Programmed to Kill.
Speaker 2: Some of these programmed like CIA serial killers, they get
Speaker 2: the most luxurious treatment when they're even even on death row,
Speaker 2: like John Wayne Gacy, Ted Bundy, they all got like
Speaker 2: this super luxurious treatment while they were locked up, and
Speaker 2: it's like, is it who you know or is it
Speaker 2: who your connections are? Or is it like John Wayne
Speaker 2: Gacy got some crazy like luxurious treatment and like Ted
Speaker 2: Bundy had a kid on death row, like he had conjugals,
Speaker 2: he had all that stuff, and it's like, I don't know.
Speaker 2: Sometimes I think even in Mexican prisons, it's like Magdalena
Speaker 2: probably you know, who knows what happened to her, But
Speaker 2: it's all in who who your connections are.
Speaker 3: Maybe they got that was definitely one like one of
Speaker 3: my my questions is you know, did she keep up
Speaker 3: this facade or this belief that she was this God.
Speaker 5: I too, I was like, is she still be portraying
Speaker 5: this in jail? Is she like kicking back, drinking blood,
Speaker 5: still like paying.
Speaker 4: Off the guards.
Speaker 3: Let's say you believed it so hard. I'm sure you
Speaker 3: could convince people in jail that you were this person,
Speaker 3: you know, and then you just start getting people to
Speaker 3: uh to follow suit. Because I'm assuming if you're going
Speaker 3: to a woman's federal penitentiary, you know, there's not the
Speaker 3: education level is going to be quite low there, and
Speaker 3: you're just going to keep applying your trade.
Speaker 2: And she's already a legibo. So it's like paradise for her.
Speaker 1: Plenty of But even if even if she was wasn't
Speaker 1: able to convince him of God, I would think that
Speaker 1: she would have at least some sort of Bruhidia tactics
Speaker 1: or tools and would somehow convince people, even in prison,
Speaker 1: of like, oh, you want this person to I don't
Speaker 1: lose their hair. I mean, you want this person to
Speaker 1: like belly over whatever. You know, let me let me
Speaker 1: show you a few things and then just right away
Speaker 1: you can get people on your side. I mean, I
Speaker 1: don't know, I.
Speaker 7: Just can't believe this lady's said in prison.
Speaker 6: I mean, I understand the system is a bit different there,
Speaker 6: but she just to me seems like she has too
Speaker 6: many skill sets, you know, and to compare comparatively speaking, like,
Speaker 6: I don't think Charles Manson ever went to prison.
Speaker 7: It's kind of different story since you see videos of
Speaker 7: men I don't think in prison.
Speaker 6: But he's never following the the penal coat standards of
Speaker 6: hair length and beard length and et cetera.
Speaker 2: So I've noticed that too.
Speaker 6: To the note of preferential treatment, his right hand man
Speaker 6: Bobby Bosley was somehow able to record a soundtrack to
Speaker 6: a Kenneth Anger film while in prison.
Speaker 2: See this is the ship I'm talking about. It's all
Speaker 2: who you know? And like did they even go to jail?
Speaker 2: That's another question for me, is like did they even
Speaker 2: go to jail?
Speaker 3: Dude?
Speaker 2: Like it's.
Speaker 3: I have not gone down.
Speaker 2: You gotta you gotta have us on your show.
Speaker 3: We will open since opened some minds.
Speaker 2: Hell yeah, did you guys see they're putting Chaos on Netflix? Dude,
Speaker 2: I can't wait for that.
Speaker 7: Wow.
Speaker 6: Okay, I don't have a I don't have a lot
Speaker 6: of not very optimistic about it, you know. He when
Speaker 6: For example, when Tom Neil introduced the project, he did
Speaker 6: it on Rick Rubin's podcast, and then they got into
Speaker 6: this offhanded tangent of how they both didn't know anything
Speaker 6: about the process despite Tom's twenty year research in de
Speaker 6: Manson and Rick Rubbin literally producing an album called The
Speaker 6: Process based upon the Process Church theology. But they both
Speaker 6: played these games and we don't we don't know what
Speaker 6: the process is. So I'm not very optimistic in that
Speaker 6: project because, you know, not solely based on their their
Speaker 6: little conversation, but you know that obviously seems exhibit a
Speaker 6: lot I think's going on there.
Speaker 2: Well, you know what I always say, as soon as
Speaker 2: a documentary hits HBO or Netflix, you can count on
Speaker 2: it being one dog shit, fucking propaganda bull that no
Speaker 2: actual facts at all. Like watch him come out with
Speaker 2: a documentary on Magdalene As solely you watch it and
Speaker 2: you think it's all just a bunch of like hate
Speaker 2: gory degree doc bullshit that they put in all HBO
Speaker 2: Netflix documentaries. I mean, all they have to have, like
Speaker 2: I always say, is good background music, a couple of
Speaker 2: scary images and they got you. It's it's brainwashing. Its
Speaker 2: m K to the Max with those things.
Speaker 7: It's like, that's what I was gonna Yeah, no, not
Speaker 7: that I know.
Speaker 3: No, it's not a wild now, you know, when you're
Speaker 3: talking about those terrible documentaries, you know, like the m
Speaker 3: H three seventy, the Malaysian airlines that went missing, the
Speaker 3: documentary they had on Netflix, you know, it's like, we're
Speaker 3: just gonna go here and leave it at this. We're
Speaker 3: not gonna go actually fully into full like everything, and
Speaker 3: they leave you believing that this was all is all possible,
Speaker 3: like it just crashed, that's it.
Speaker 2: Nothing more right, a fire event or something.
Speaker 3: Like that, and it just you know, I do believe
Speaker 3: there was a fire event. I do believe there with
Speaker 3: that MAH three seventy that there was a fire event.
Speaker 2: There was a fire event. But it's not. It wasn't
Speaker 2: what they're making it out to be because well, let
Speaker 2: me just tell you this. I almost got to chills
Speaker 2: when you said that, because I've been researching it and
Speaker 2: I'm actually thinking it's more like I heard a guy
Speaker 2: talking about it. I think it was on the Confessionals podcast,
Speaker 2: but he's Forbes. Yeah, oh my god, the guy's got
Speaker 2: it nailed with like the physics and everything like they disappeared,
Speaker 2: that motherfucker, like the Bermuda triangle.
Speaker 3: So just recently he was on Candice Owens and he goes, yeah,
Speaker 3: much more detail, and he's amazing. I talked to him
Speaker 3: after he was on The Confessionals. I was trying to
Speaker 3: get him on my show. I never I never follow through.
Speaker 3: Well that actually that was the point where I was.
Speaker 3: I had another show and I had a co host,
Speaker 3: and I ended that relationship and I started my own show,
Speaker 3: and I never followed up with Ash, and I should
Speaker 3: have at that time, because now he's I think he's
Speaker 3: almost too big for.
Speaker 2: Me to get on at this He's a hot commodity.
Speaker 2: He is he is, Yeah, I mean he went all
Speaker 2: the way to like he found the CIA guy and
Speaker 2: everything on that. I mean, but then I'm glad that
Speaker 2: you know about that, because it makes me think you're
Speaker 2: on the level with like the conspiracy stuff. Because even
Speaker 2: with stuff like the True Crime I always say, if
Speaker 2: you look hard enough at true crime, you'll see remnants
Speaker 2: of conspiracy in there. I mean, it's like military connections,
Speaker 2: government connections, which is why I asked you right in
Speaker 2: the beginning of this episode, like these brothers, like what
Speaker 2: do we know about them, dude, Like it just seems
Speaker 2: a little odd, like this scam they're trying to find
Speaker 2: these isolated places to conduct like almost like a mind experiment.
Speaker 3: It just when you're talking. I really believe that mk
Speaker 3: ultra plays a much bigger role than we really believe,
Speaker 3: you know, because mk ultra was the mixing of drugs,
Speaker 3: with mixing of drugs and psychedelics to to implant messages
Speaker 3: into people. Right, So with all these medications that people
Speaker 3: are taking now, like like candy now these days, you know,
Speaker 3: and with everything that's on TV, I'm sure that they're
Speaker 3: implanting a ton of messages into these people. And I
Speaker 3: believe that mk ultra is much bigger than we actually
Speaker 3: care to believe. I think it's huge.
Speaker 7: Yah. I think it's still going on for sure.
Speaker 3: Yeah, oh yeah, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 7: Yeah. Well there's an example of it going on in
Speaker 7: and around Mexico.
Speaker 6: In recent years, the Nexium cult was shipping kids to
Speaker 6: and from Albany and New York on their locations to
Speaker 6: child farms in Mexico. They were employing a neurologist up
Speaker 6: there in Albany to do a lot of the training
Speaker 6: for their membership.
Speaker 3: He was running the Finders Club.
Speaker 2: Finders Club was running kids in and out of Mexico.
Speaker 4: Dude, you know I was thinking about that.
Speaker 5: I swear to god, I was thinking about that because
Speaker 5: I do find it interesting how this is two dudes
Speaker 5: and I remember the Finders I think, well, it seemed
Speaker 5: to base on in court if I remember correctly, it
Speaker 5: was two guys again. And it's just like I'm like, yo, like,
Speaker 5: is there like an operation behind this? And these are
Speaker 5: just like the faces of like kind of like the run,
Speaker 5: you know, the running it.
Speaker 2: We need to take a closer look at these Hernandez brothers.
Speaker 2: I bet they both got their dick sweat in some
Speaker 2: kind of a government CIA type you know, they you know.
Speaker 4: They had to do it.
Speaker 3: And the backstory, you know what, Like the more you
Speaker 3: talk about this, like I I didn't approach it like that,
Speaker 3: but the more you talk about it, I'm like, yeah,
Speaker 3: like why not you know, like knowing the right to
Speaker 3: you know, uh, you're but buena to give people. You know,
Speaker 3: it's kind of like, yeah, we're going to drug you
Speaker 3: up and then put these suggestions into you. And it's
Speaker 3: it's interesting, you know, like they just the backstory They'renanda's brothers. There,
Speaker 3: just these lifelong career scam artists. Could they be something more? Yeah?
Speaker 2: Want to recruit those exactly, JJ, You're fucking on fire.
Speaker 2: That's exactly what I was gonna say. You'd want to
Speaker 2: recruit people that are lifelong scam artists.
Speaker 7: Dude's lifelong scam artists.
Speaker 2: Just gonna say it was a lifelong scam artist, dude,
Speaker 2: that's those are the perfect people. Okay, let's let's talk
Speaker 2: like logically, I'm going to start a cult tomorrow. All
Speaker 2: of you assholes are part of my cult. We're going
Speaker 2: to start a cold tomorrow.
Speaker 1: I'm doing the.
Speaker 2: Drinking where Okay, let's just think about it. Where can
Speaker 2: we go right now? That you all know that's got
Speaker 2: no electricity, no form of religion, no like they just
Speaker 2: need it.
Speaker 3: So how did they know?
Speaker 2: How did they know?
Speaker 4: Back then?
Speaker 1: Right?
Speaker 2: They know it's like this, this ship is always guided,
Speaker 2: it's always manipulated. It's like, oh, these two brothers stumbled
Speaker 2: upon this place with no form.
Speaker 3: Now here's something to add to that. Here's something to
Speaker 3: add to that. So prior was you know, the the
Speaker 3: the cartel was in there, right and they got ran
Speaker 3: out by the federalies. The federalllies were there to remove them, right,
Speaker 3: So the federaly already had scoped this place. Is kind
Speaker 3: of what what we're if you're going with that. They
Speaker 3: were there already, they seen this place, they see maybe
Speaker 3: the potential for this.
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, they didn't they maybe they let him let
Speaker 2: them know, like they gave them a leg up on it,
Speaker 2: and they just you know, hey, there's this place and
Speaker 2: they don't have at least I feel like you were
Speaker 2: going to say something earlier.
Speaker 1: No, yeah, just a couple of things. What I was
Speaker 1: going to add to the conspiracy lore that we're espousing now.
Speaker 1: I looked at Magdalena really quickly on Wikipedia. I don't
Speaker 1: know if it's true, but it says that she was
Speaker 1: born nineteen forty seven. I was like, what if she's
Speaker 1: the moon child? Why pars? Oh god, I'm just kidding. Okay.
Speaker 1: So the other thing I was going to say is
Speaker 1: really was born in forty seven.
Speaker 7: But that's yeah, Now you heard Mexico in forty seven.
Speaker 1: Yes they were, And so did any of the village
Speaker 1: people say anything, like did they were? They questioned?
Speaker 3: I mean, so the village the village people, Well, yeah,
Speaker 3: they they kept quiet. They would not testify. They just
Speaker 3: took their lumps and went to prison. They would not.
Speaker 2: Was it like manson and they fucking washed those bitches
Speaker 2: And they didn't have any fucking memory of this shit?
Speaker 2: Like what if they didn't what if they couldn't tell
Speaker 2: anything because they didn't remember it. Like I'm just I'm
Speaker 2: going like above and beyond at this point because something
Speaker 2: like this doesn't break loose and they're not be like
Speaker 2: strings being pulled in some capacity. It's like they got
Speaker 2: all these assholes in there and they like did like men.
Speaker 3: In black and.
Speaker 2: You don't remember anything, And they were like, did this
Speaker 2: woman kill all these people? I don't know, No she didn't.
Speaker 2: Who think it's it's so easy for them to totally
Speaker 2: wipe you of that stuff. I almost think that they
Speaker 2: do it to us on a daily basis. How many
Speaker 2: people do you know right now? Who if you ask them,
Speaker 2: they're like, damn, doesn't it feel like COVID was forever
Speaker 2: ago and we've gotten so used to like getting back
Speaker 2: to normal life. It's like it never happened. It's like, dude, no,
Speaker 2: let's always remember that ship because it wasn't forever. It
Speaker 2: was like in our recent past, like within five years,
Speaker 2: and uh we we you never forget, remember, yeah.
Speaker 3: Right, you know, so I will never forget that bullshit
Speaker 3: that they tried to putting on me now and I'll
Speaker 3: never forget the people, including my family, who uh disowned
Speaker 3: me almost because of it. All. Oh one hundred, that's
Speaker 3: the quick I know. I probably all you guys all
Speaker 3: have experienced that where it was you know.
Speaker 7: A little surprise. There's no cool and in the end
Speaker 7: of the story with these village people, no right.
Speaker 1: The kool aid was a blund you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 7: But get rid of all they could even be questioned, right,
Speaker 7: you know what I mean.
Speaker 1: See see Jim Jones, what's your name is Sam Magdalena?
Speaker 1: She he ain't got shot on Jim Jones. She went
Speaker 1: for the real dude, Jim Jones passing around kool aid.
Speaker 1: That's that's what it's about. She went for the hard stuff.
Speaker 6: It is a surprising that, I mean, it could speak
Speaker 6: to the stranglehole this lady had on them mentally speaking
Speaker 6: under my control, but like you know, surprising none of
Speaker 6: these village folks said a damn word or at least
Speaker 6: you know, probably seems like they said a damn word.
Speaker 7: It sounds like that's what I'm saying.
Speaker 1: It's weird that they didn't say anything, or the kids
Speaker 1: or somebody you know, said something.
Speaker 2: Unless they got fucking wiped, dude, unless they got wiped
Speaker 2: for somehow.
Speaker 3: The other way, every every member of the village was
Speaker 3: put into prison for thirty years.
Speaker 2: That's plenty enough time to do.
Speaker 3: You've limited and which which brings a question, like, you've
Speaker 3: eliminated everybody for thirty years? How did that?
Speaker 7: How did that?
Speaker 1: You think about it?
Speaker 4: Yeah?
Speaker 7: How did that?
Speaker 1: That's a full on sanitation effort.
Speaker 5: That's a good way just to clean out subjects all town.
Speaker 5: What if there was something there that they actually wanted?
Speaker 2: Yeah, but it's like risa like how did the legend survive?
Speaker 2: How did the.
Speaker 3: How did the town survive? As well? You know if
Speaker 3: you remove everyone, because you go there and you can
Speaker 3: search it, you can find your but Buena and San
Speaker 3: Luis Potosi it is, it's bigger now, you know, it's growing.
Speaker 3: So that was sixty three. What did they resettle it?
Speaker 3: Did they bring in people from outside? Like, hey, look
Speaker 3: at free houses here you go, you know, no one's
Speaker 3: living there for thirty years because everybody was taken out.
Speaker 3: So I don't know. They don't talk about children though,
Speaker 3: so that that that's one thing is children are not mentioned.
Speaker 3: There has to be children in the story. Sure they're
Speaker 3: not mentioned at all.
Speaker 1: And more people that were brought into harvest, you know,
Speaker 1: like day workers, but they just kept them there because
Speaker 1: they were going to be you know, harvesters or what
Speaker 1: do you call it, co sucha I don't remember whatever, anyway,
Speaker 1: you know what I'm talking about. And so therefore you
Speaker 1: wouldn't need children, or you couldn't sustain children, right, it
Speaker 1: would only be the people that could work. And so
Speaker 1: therefore you I mean, I don't know, I'm specing.
Speaker 6: That's scientology is added too. That's why they have children
Speaker 6: farms in Mexico, because the kids orn't any good. They's
Speaker 6: got to have the adults work and stuff. So you know,
Speaker 6: maybe it's a new cartel or cult moved into town.
Speaker 6: The old cartel moved out, this cult moved in. Maybe
Speaker 6: they got another one coming through.
Speaker 2: Well, what it's the time gap between this death cult
Speaker 2: and Adolpho's death cult, because it's like, is this the
Speaker 2: footprint that they followed for.
Speaker 3: Like so twenty years, but yeah, I thought it was
Speaker 3: in the eighties adulphos.
Speaker 2: So the in program to kill. And it actually ties
Speaker 2: back to Jonestown too, because Henry Lee Lucas said he
Speaker 2: knew Jim Jones that that cult was part of like
Speaker 2: a CIA mind control type thing with Jonestown. He also
Speaker 2: said there were many death cults in Mexico. He xed
Speaker 2: them out on a map and was like, here's one,
Speaker 2: here's one. Look, here there's another one. And they were like,
Speaker 2: oh yeah, Henry Lely Luke, is your full of shit?
Speaker 2: And then they went and they found like Adolpho's ranch,
Speaker 2: they found all these death ranches, bodies buried all over
Speaker 2: the place, and so it's like weaponized a little bit.
Speaker 2: And you almost have to wonder if this wasn't like
Speaker 2: some kind of a like a training wheels type of
Speaker 2: thing for what they were about to do later because
Speaker 2: and I don't think it stopped either, like we stopped
Speaker 2: investigating it. Sure, but if you went there right now,
Speaker 2: I'm sure you could find eight hundred and seventy two
Speaker 2: death cults with bodies buried all over the property. And
Speaker 2: you know that's just my opinion, but I mean, why
Speaker 2: would it have just stopped, you know, overnight.
Speaker 3: True.
Speaker 6: Yeah, I think the timeframe between the Matamors colt and
Speaker 6: this colt and the you know that, you know, you know,
Speaker 6: the timeframe and the geographic you know, relatively close geographically speaking,
Speaker 6: there's probably you know, more questions need to be asked
Speaker 6: there because they matam Moores folks may have been you know,
Speaker 6: outed in the early eighties and and rest and whatnot,
Speaker 6: but that certainly existed.
Speaker 2: There prior to that, right, right, Yeah, Like how many
Speaker 2: years was that going on before they actually started like
Speaker 2: going to look for it?
Speaker 6: Yeah, I mean it's aenohing proximity for for certainly asked
Speaker 6: that question. And do these do these things have connections?
Speaker 2: Mm hmmm, I don't know, dude. Question seems all fucking
Speaker 2: suss to me. Nobody joined a death cult anybody like
Speaker 2: hopefully but anytime. Yes, right, they listen to the occult
Speaker 2: rejects and they know a thing or two. I'll start
Speaker 2: a cult.
Speaker 3: You can join my cult. Kool Aid? What kind of
Speaker 3: koolaid are you serving? Great drink?
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's great.
Speaker 1: Gotta have that red solo. Yeah.
Speaker 2: No, actually I'm gonna I'm gonna up it and I'm
Speaker 2: I'm gonna do kool Aid pickles, You guys will love it.
Speaker 2: Have you ever had a kool Aid pickle?
Speaker 3: No, that could be the worst thing I've ever had,
Speaker 3: or it could be the amazing thing.
Speaker 7: I don't know. They're right.
Speaker 2: I had it at a restaurant one time. They were like,
Speaker 2: do you want to try kool Aid pickle? I was like,
Speaker 2: it could be sweet and and salty, you know, like
Speaker 2: it's a pickle, but it's been like fermented in kool aid,
Speaker 2: So let's give it a try. Absolutely not. Don't fucking
Speaker 2: ever do that, guys that road.
Speaker 3: But the question is what kool aid did they use?
Speaker 3: Because kool Aid, of course there is Is it cherry
Speaker 3: or was it rape.
Speaker 7: Pos maybe lemon lime?
Speaker 2: I bet if right now, I'm going to google it.
Speaker 2: I bet it to Hawaiian punch, punch to the kidney.
Speaker 6: I think it was Sonic or one of those restaurants
Speaker 6: that did a pickle ice creams. Maybe this is a
Speaker 6: recent pickle fat that you you ran across with the
Speaker 6: pickled kool Aid.
Speaker 2: What if it was just a big campaign for kool Aid,
Speaker 2: it could have been shut the fuck up.
Speaker 3: It was great. It was literally great. Grape is grape
Speaker 3: is solid, you know, there's I'm a fan of gra.
Speaker 5: Yeah, but I don't know about grape of pickle, right, yeah.
Speaker 7: It doesn't make pickle.
Speaker 2: Yeah, great, bassholes, you guys, it says right here. I
Speaker 2: googled it, so it must be true. They didn't even
Speaker 2: use kool Aid brand kool Aid. They used flavor Aid.
Speaker 1: I knew it.
Speaker 3: That's why it was craps.
Speaker 2: Let's just say they didn't even put poison in it,
Speaker 2: and they just drink this fucking flavor aiight, and it
Speaker 2: just killed them off immediately. We don't know that that's
Speaker 2: some toxic ship right there. We don't even know what's
Speaker 2: in that.
Speaker 3: Like they could have they could have used tang.
Speaker 1: You know, but they can't even they can't even get
Speaker 1: the right stuff.
Speaker 2: Come on, no, this is from Save a Lot. They
Speaker 2: didn't even they didn't even ball out on a budget
Speaker 2: and like get named brand. They they went to freaking.
Speaker 3: Something like that, you know, ten cent packets.
Speaker 2: Oh my god, look at this, Look at this. I'm
Speaker 2: offended by this.
Speaker 3: I actually loved that marketing.
Speaker 4: I love that.
Speaker 3: Uh that looks actually pretty cool.
Speaker 2: We got to click on the grape one though. There
Speaker 2: you go, that's what killed all the people in Jonestown
Speaker 2: right there. Flavor A Henry Lee Lucas did say that
Speaker 2: he knew Jim Jones and that Jim Jones was just
Speaker 2: part of a c I a big mind control thing
Speaker 2: that they It was just another project they were working on.
Speaker 2: There was another death cult out of I think it
Speaker 2: was Japan. It was called the Doomsday Cult, and they
Speaker 2: they took SAR and nerve gas on trains and they
Speaker 2: were like trying to like poison people, and they rated
Speaker 2: this compound for the Doomsday Cult. They had military helicopters,
Speaker 2: they had mind control devices that they were developing. They
Speaker 2: had weapons grade anthrax, andy Bola virus, and they had
Speaker 2: all this stuff. And it's like, you have to wonder,
Speaker 2: where are these fucking cults getting this fucking shit, Because
Speaker 2: it's like I said to you earlier. Let me, let's
Speaker 2: just say I want to start a cult tomorrow. How
Speaker 2: easy is it going to be for me to get
Speaker 2: weapons grade anthrax, any bowla virus, a military helicopter, mine
Speaker 2: control devices, SAAR, and nerve gas. Like okay, yeah, let's
Speaker 2: just put it on this fucking Sam's Club list and
Speaker 2: let me just go right into the store and get it, like,
Speaker 2: where are they getting this stuff?
Speaker 7: You guys, If you tell the FBI your trends, they'll
Speaker 7: just give all that to you.
Speaker 3: There you go, starting a transgroup.
Speaker 2: I said Magdalena was was probably secretly trained. That's why
Speaker 2: she had a thing for Selena. She was trying to stick.
Speaker 5: Her, oh her, Oh my.
Speaker 3: If that's that's that's awesome.
Speaker 7: I don't know.
Speaker 4: I don't know to wrap it up.
Speaker 2: She's a fucking asshole. Though. If this story isn't even conspiratorial,
Speaker 2: I still think she's a fucking asshole. It's really interesting.
Speaker 2: I had never heard it before. It blew my mind. Actually,
Speaker 2: I'm so glad you researched this topic because it's crazy.
Speaker 3: Yeah, you know, I don't want to give a shout
Speaker 3: out to Blaze. I'll definitely give a shout out to Blaze,
Speaker 3: you know, with his with his comic book, and yeah,
Speaker 3: he's doing a kickstarter for that and it's fantastic, awesome.
Speaker 5: Yeah, I'll include a link for that. And uh, I
Speaker 5: think I can say this for all of us here,
Speaker 5: well even Rye. Probably at this point, I do think
Speaker 5: there's something questionable about this whole case. You know, this
Speaker 5: doesn't seem to be much I guess to talk about
Speaker 5: and I don't know just because of other situations in
Speaker 5: the past, they do wonder was there some sort of
Speaker 5: three letter agency involvement or some structure to it a
Speaker 5: little bit more than we knew about. But thank you, yeah,
Speaker 5: but thank you all for coming on. I thought that
Speaker 5: was amazing. Everybody had great stuff to add. Ry. That
Speaker 5: was really good. You presented that amazingly.
Speaker 4: Thank you so much.
Speaker 5: I appreciate it. Before we have you plug it real quick, uh, JJ,
Speaker 5: let everybody know where they can find you stuff again.
Speaker 6: JJ, vanceys to operations GCD Nick. Appreciate the invite. Lisa
Speaker 6: joy it great, great conversation. Roy, great to meet you,
Speaker 6: and this is a very intriguing tale. I definitely got
Speaker 6: my wheels turning on a number of these topics. Here
Speaker 6: to look at too, more for sure cool.
Speaker 5: Thank you very much, JJ and Julia real quick. Let
Speaker 5: everybody know where they can find your amazing show as well.
Speaker 2: Thank you. I am the host of Cosmic Peach podcast.
Speaker 2: It's available wherever you listen to podcasts. And great to
Speaker 2: meet you. Ry. I love someone who can present a
Speaker 2: topic start to finish like you do. It's really entertaining,
Speaker 2: and I it's it's a skill not a lot of
Speaker 2: people have actually, and I admire that. But thanks for
Speaker 2: having me on, Nick, This was a great conversation. I
Speaker 2: learned a lot and I'm looking forward to coming on again.
Speaker 2: As soon as I saw actual number right, yes, yes
Speaker 2: as in occult reject.
Speaker 5: Yes, like I said, as soon as I really kind
Speaker 5: of started listening to it, I was like, I know
Speaker 5: Julie would be into this. It sounds so much like Adulfo,
Speaker 5: like I really thought.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I was thinking about that a lot.
Speaker 5: And Lisa, thank you so much for coming on. I
Speaker 5: really appreciate it. Yes, is there anything that you want
Speaker 5: to plug?
Speaker 2: Sure?
Speaker 1: Yes, thank you everybody, Thank you, Ry. I really really
Speaker 1: enjoyed the story and like everybody said, contributed definitely something
Speaker 1: totally suspect. And I do agree with Nick that the
Speaker 1: Alphabet Boys are probably somehow somewhere not too far away
Speaker 1: from any of this. But I would like to plug
Speaker 1: our website. It's Occult Research Institute dot org, and we
Speaker 1: have a lot of contributors that contribute written pieces. So
Speaker 1: if you are more of a reader and would like
Speaker 1: to consume reading some of this amazing compics, that come
Speaker 1: out of the ocult rejects. Please give us a gander
Speaker 1: over there at Occult Research Institute dot org.
Speaker 5: Awesome, thank you so much. I appreciate that. And Roy,
Speaker 5: let everybody know they can find your amazing work again.
Speaker 3: First of all, I just want to say thanks for
Speaker 3: having me on this was This is fantastic and you
Speaker 3: guys are all welcoming, and it's nice to be in
Speaker 3: a similar crowd, you know, of everyone who has the
Speaker 3: same like minded this who understands what's going on in
Speaker 3: questions everything. And that's what I say is we have
Speaker 3: to question everything that you know, it's been crazy that
Speaker 3: these last couple of years or five six years, you know,
Speaker 3: we are frowned upon and made fun of for researching
Speaker 3: and looking into things ourselves. We're told to leave it
Speaker 3: to the experts, leave it to these people. Don't think
Speaker 3: for yourself, you know, sit down on your ass on
Speaker 3: the TV and watch it and don't do anything. So
Speaker 3: it's fantastic to meet some people who who think the
Speaker 3: way I do. And it's like, let's look into the
Speaker 3: stuff further, let's go deeper. As soon as I'm told
Speaker 3: one thing on TV, you know, it's like Okay, well
Speaker 3: let's start looking the other way and figure out what
Speaker 3: it really is going on. So again, I'm the host
Speaker 3: of Codega's Codex of Curiosities. I drop an episode once
Speaker 3: a week, sometimes twice a week, kind of like you guys.
Speaker 3: I'll drop a bonus episode, but it's usually on Sundays,
Speaker 3: and I can be fine. YouTube, Rumble, Spotify, Apple everywhere else, Facebook, Instagram.
Speaker 3: That can hit me up just like you did, Nick
Speaker 3: and contact me reach out. Yes, that's about it.
Speaker 5: Yeah, definitely go check out here show like again. Like
Speaker 5: I said before, tons and tons of different types of topics,
Speaker 5: you know, and true crime, cult, paranormal, Bigfoot, Jack the Ripper,
Speaker 5: you know, great stuff. Uh yeah, and uh again, thank
Speaker 5: you all for coming on. I really appreciate it. That
Speaker 5: was an awesome chat.
Speaker 4: And again, this is a.
Speaker 5: Really really weird one and you don't hear too many
Speaker 5: people talking about it, so I wanted to cover it. Uh.
Speaker 5: And that's the end of another Recult Rejects And until
Speaker 5: the next one, what did be well? Data No