1 00:00:00,000 --> 00:00:04,480 Speaker 1: Become to the Epstein Chronicles. Today was the final day 2 00:00:04,679 --> 00:00:09,000 of the first week of the Glenn Maxwell trial, and 3 00:00:09,240 --> 00:00:13,880 we saw testimony from three more witnesses. Now. Today there 4 00:00:14,000 --> 00:00:16,600 was a lot of testimony that was excuse me, a 5 00:00:16,600 --> 00:00:21,399 lot of the evidence that was introduced under seal, and 6 00:00:21,559 --> 00:00:25,719 a lot of the evidence that was introduced during the 7 00:00:25,760 --> 00:00:30,039 afternoon portion of this was visual in nature. So there's 8 00:00:30,120 --> 00:00:32,920 not very much to go on as far as notes 9 00:00:33,600 --> 00:00:38,280 for the duration of the afternoon sessions. A lot of 10 00:00:38,320 --> 00:00:44,200 it was video and different packets that were prepared for 11 00:00:44,240 --> 00:00:48,520 the jurors previously, and so there's really not too much 12 00:00:48,560 --> 00:00:52,560 about that now. What we do know about those afternoon 13 00:00:53,399 --> 00:00:56,840 back and forth, we're gonna get to for sure. And 14 00:00:57,119 --> 00:01:01,520 obviously Juan A Lessi took the stand again today and 15 00:01:01,719 --> 00:01:05,640 he had to face the cross examination from Glaine Maxwell's 16 00:01:05,959 --> 00:01:10,159 legal team, and as you all know, they're playing for keeps. 17 00:01:10,400 --> 00:01:13,439 It's a scorched earth policy for Glinne Maxwell's legal team, 18 00:01:14,120 --> 00:01:16,920 and the same could be said for the way they 19 00:01:16,920 --> 00:01:21,319 went about it today. They absolutely hammered a Lessie on 20 00:01:21,560 --> 00:01:25,200 his credibility and on a few of the other issues 21 00:01:25,280 --> 00:01:29,879 that we touched on previously. During his testimony such as 22 00:01:30,079 --> 00:01:33,560 the theft of the money, attempting to steal a gun 23 00:01:33,599 --> 00:01:37,560 from Epstein, all kinds of wild stuff that go towards, 24 00:01:38,519 --> 00:01:40,799 at the very least giving him the appearance of not 25 00:01:40,959 --> 00:01:44,280 being a credible witness. And that's what the defense is 26 00:01:44,319 --> 00:01:47,560 looking to do, right in every aspect. They're looking to 27 00:01:47,599 --> 00:01:52,560 destroy the credibility of any witness who might paint their 28 00:01:52,640 --> 00:01:59,799 client as guilty and want a lessie. You know, he's 29 00:01:59,799 --> 00:02:02,760 not somebody who I have ever thought of as a 30 00:02:02,840 --> 00:02:07,200 decent human being in this whole entire ordeal, and him 31 00:02:07,239 --> 00:02:11,919 being a witness for the prosecution, you would think that 32 00:02:11,919 --> 00:02:14,360 they would have had him prepared to stand up a 33 00:02:14,360 --> 00:02:19,560 little bit better today. But overall, I thought it was 34 00:02:19,759 --> 00:02:23,759 a relatively decent week for the prosecution. Not great, but 35 00:02:24,599 --> 00:02:28,319 relatively decent week for them. And I think that the 36 00:02:28,439 --> 00:02:31,960 testimony is just going to get worse for the defense. 37 00:02:32,560 --> 00:02:37,080 Once the survivors are up on the stand and they're 38 00:02:37,120 --> 00:02:40,719 giving their testimony and they're telling their stories, it's going 39 00:02:40,759 --> 00:02:46,439 to be very impactful. And guys like Juana Lessi, well 40 00:02:46,520 --> 00:02:48,560 they just you know, they fill in the blanks a 41 00:02:48,560 --> 00:02:52,719 little bit, right, They can corroborate that Glaine was the 42 00:02:52,800 --> 00:02:55,840 lady of the house. That Glaine was in Epstein's room 43 00:02:55,919 --> 00:02:59,599 ninety five percent of the time according to court testimony, 44 00:03:00,159 --> 00:03:02,400 So that puts her at the scene of the crime, right, 45 00:03:02,680 --> 00:03:05,960 and I'm guessing that that was the goal for prosecution. 46 00:03:07,639 --> 00:03:12,680 Now again, we're talking about somebody who is not a 47 00:03:12,719 --> 00:03:18,120 great human being and whose credibility can easily be poked 48 00:03:18,120 --> 00:03:21,400 at by the defense. So what it will come down to, 49 00:03:21,599 --> 00:03:23,879 like everything else in this trial, is what the jury 50 00:03:23,960 --> 00:03:27,120 thinks about it. What does the jury think. Did the 51 00:03:27,120 --> 00:03:31,120 defense make a good enough argument and put him in 52 00:03:31,280 --> 00:03:34,599 such a bad light that they don't even pay attention 53 00:03:34,680 --> 00:03:38,360 to his testimony, or do they believe what mister Alessi 54 00:03:38,439 --> 00:03:42,240 said on the stand, and you know, move forward with 55 00:03:42,319 --> 00:03:45,199 that thought in their head as this trial goes along. 56 00:03:45,840 --> 00:03:47,919 And it looks to me, and again, folks, I am 57 00:03:47,960 --> 00:03:50,599 certainly not a lawyer, right, I'm not a journalist, nothing 58 00:03:50,639 --> 00:03:53,159 like that, But it looks to me like the defense, 59 00:03:54,039 --> 00:03:57,039 I mean, the prosecution is setting the foundation here for 60 00:03:57,199 --> 00:04:00,280 the way that they're going to paint the picture, bringing 61 00:04:00,360 --> 00:04:04,000 these ex employees other people who might have been around 62 00:04:04,000 --> 00:04:08,919 as witnesses to set the scene. And then the testimony 63 00:04:08,960 --> 00:04:13,039 from the survivors themselves. Well, that's the hammer strike, right, 64 00:04:13,919 --> 00:04:16,480 that's when you open up the heavens and let loose. 65 00:04:17,240 --> 00:04:20,240 You build the foundation first and then you build the 66 00:04:20,240 --> 00:04:23,480 house on top of it. So I'm guessing that's what 67 00:04:23,720 --> 00:04:28,319 the prosecution is doing right now. But like I said earlier, 68 00:04:28,319 --> 00:04:30,839 there was a lot of things that were sealed today 69 00:04:31,079 --> 00:04:33,360 and I'm not a fan of that at all. For 70 00:04:33,399 --> 00:04:35,519 those of you who have listened to my podcast for 71 00:04:35,560 --> 00:04:37,360 the last two and a half years, you know how 72 00:04:37,399 --> 00:04:41,319 I feel about transparency, especially in cases like this when 73 00:04:41,319 --> 00:04:44,680 there's been a complete lack thereof. So I think it's 74 00:04:44,720 --> 00:04:48,759 important to have as much transparency as possible here. And 75 00:04:48,920 --> 00:04:51,680 it was already beyond the pail that there wasn't a 76 00:04:51,720 --> 00:04:56,240 call in line established. So now you're going to continue to, 77 00:04:56,639 --> 00:05:00,600 you know, play these transparent games at least transparency I mean, 78 00:05:00,920 --> 00:05:04,519 and keep things sealed as they're being introduced as evidence. 79 00:05:06,040 --> 00:05:08,439 So there was a whole bunch of that today. Not 80 00:05:08,560 --> 00:05:11,959 really a big fan, and again I'm not in that courtroom, 81 00:05:12,000 --> 00:05:14,120 right I don't know what the motivations are to keep 82 00:05:14,160 --> 00:05:17,439 it sealed, but I'm working off of the premise that 83 00:05:17,480 --> 00:05:20,560 I'm just tired of transparent no transparency in this case 84 00:05:20,759 --> 00:05:26,800 in general. And it is long beyond time that this 85 00:05:26,879 --> 00:05:30,160 whole entire thing gets aired out, that more people know 86 00:05:30,240 --> 00:05:33,120 what's going on here or what went on here. And 87 00:05:33,680 --> 00:05:35,959 there are so many people who are interested in this 88 00:05:36,079 --> 00:05:40,600 case now that had no interest in it previously. I 89 00:05:40,600 --> 00:05:43,800 can't tell you how many people I have had contact 90 00:05:43,839 --> 00:05:46,600 me that I'm talking about, people in my personal life 91 00:05:46,839 --> 00:05:49,639 who have never really paid attention to my yelling and 92 00:05:49,680 --> 00:05:53,439 screaming from every mountaintop about this, who are now interested 93 00:05:53,480 --> 00:05:56,439 in what's going on. And I say, welcome, right, I'm 94 00:05:56,439 --> 00:05:58,240 not one of these people who's going to deride you 95 00:05:58,519 --> 00:06:01,720 or break your chops. Hey, Look, we're all ignorant until 96 00:06:01,720 --> 00:06:04,160 we're not. Right. A lot of things I'm ignorant about, 97 00:06:04,160 --> 00:06:06,160 and this case was one of them. I was ignorant 98 00:06:06,199 --> 00:06:09,000 to this whole thing until I wasn't. So those of 99 00:06:09,040 --> 00:06:13,279 you who have just found this case and this story, look, 100 00:06:13,639 --> 00:06:16,519 there's gonna be a whole lot for you to consume, 101 00:06:17,560 --> 00:06:22,639 because there's so much more than what you have been given, 102 00:06:23,279 --> 00:06:26,279 what you have been shown, and even in this trial, 103 00:06:26,360 --> 00:06:30,319 what they're talking about. Remember, this is a small scope 104 00:06:30,480 --> 00:06:35,600 of time that Jeffrey Epstein and Maxwell were active, and 105 00:06:35,639 --> 00:06:38,040 this is only a small amount of the girls who 106 00:06:38,120 --> 00:06:44,000 were actually abused by them according to accounts. So remember 107 00:06:44,040 --> 00:06:46,279 this is, you know, it's a cliche, the tip of 108 00:06:46,319 --> 00:06:49,600 the iceberg, but this is legitimately the tip of the iceberg. 109 00:06:52,959 --> 00:06:56,800 And I wish that there was more, right. I wish 110 00:06:56,879 --> 00:06:58,920 there was more people on trial here. I wish that 111 00:06:59,000 --> 00:07:02,319 this was a ricok, but it's not that. The reality is. 112 00:07:02,399 --> 00:07:06,480 It is what it is. And hopefully when all is 113 00:07:06,519 --> 00:07:10,240 said and done, they have enough to prosecute Maxwell and 114 00:07:10,399 --> 00:07:12,160 send her to prison for the rest of her life, 115 00:07:12,199 --> 00:07:16,959 because in my opinion, that's where somebody who does these 116 00:07:17,040 --> 00:07:21,360 kinds of things belongs. So today the battle was on 117 00:07:21,680 --> 00:07:25,120 trying to get to a place where she does not 118 00:07:25,240 --> 00:07:27,040 have to go to prison for the rest of her life. 119 00:07:27,480 --> 00:07:30,160 So let's take a look at some of that testimony today. 120 00:07:30,480 --> 00:07:32,920 And what I did was is I compiled it all 121 00:07:33,160 --> 00:07:35,399 and then I put it into more of a digestible 122 00:07:35,480 --> 00:07:37,680 format so that we could read through it with a 123 00:07:37,720 --> 00:07:39,879 little bit less back and forth, kind of make it, 124 00:07:40,079 --> 00:07:43,720 i don't know, a little easier to consume and hopefully 125 00:07:43,759 --> 00:07:47,120 a little shorter than the forty two minutes or so 126 00:07:47,199 --> 00:07:49,800 that we've been rocking. I know it's Friday, and people 127 00:07:49,800 --> 00:07:52,879 got a lot going on weekend, staring us down the face. 128 00:07:52,959 --> 00:07:54,680 A lot of people want to relax a little bit, 129 00:07:55,000 --> 00:07:58,000 and hell, I'm going to take a day off tomorrow myself, 130 00:07:58,560 --> 00:08:02,040 So I get it. With that said, I tried to 131 00:08:02,079 --> 00:08:04,399 compile this all and put it into a bit of 132 00:08:04,439 --> 00:08:07,839 a digestible format. We'll see what's up, all right. So, 133 00:08:08,079 --> 00:08:11,759 day five of the Maxwell trial, before the jury even 134 00:08:12,120 --> 00:08:15,360 got into the room, the sparring was the sparring had commenced. 135 00:08:15,720 --> 00:08:20,480 Maxwell's lawyer was commenting about seeing semen on the table 136 00:08:20,519 --> 00:08:24,399 could be prejudicial. The prosecutor responds to this by stating 137 00:08:24,439 --> 00:08:27,480 that it was a white stain and that it was 138 00:08:27,560 --> 00:08:31,399 relevant in providing and proving whether the massages were or 139 00:08:31,399 --> 00:08:35,080 were not sexual in nature. Judge Nathan, she made a 140 00:08:35,159 --> 00:08:38,159 ruling that you know that that would be something that 141 00:08:38,200 --> 00:08:42,080 she would have to use lab tests to permit. So 142 00:08:42,240 --> 00:08:44,279 remember this is all before the jury even got into 143 00:08:44,320 --> 00:08:47,480 the courtroom. As per the notes that were coming out, 144 00:08:48,240 --> 00:08:52,120 prosecution went on to discuss the collection of Jeffrey Epstein's 145 00:08:52,159 --> 00:08:55,879 schoolgirl outfits and how that is relevant to the larger picture. 146 00:08:56,279 --> 00:08:59,000 Of course. Maxwell's lawyers, well, they shot back that the 147 00:08:59,039 --> 00:09:02,159 collection of outfits has nothing to do with Maxwell and 148 00:09:02,360 --> 00:09:06,559 is prejudicial against their client. To that, the prosecution answered 149 00:09:06,559 --> 00:09:10,960 that the schoolgirl costumes small ones. They made a note 150 00:09:10,960 --> 00:09:15,480 of that absolutely disgusting animals were found in the massage room, 151 00:09:15,720 --> 00:09:19,000 therefore making them relevant to the case at hand. And 152 00:09:19,120 --> 00:09:21,480 you would think that would be the case, right if 153 00:09:21,519 --> 00:09:26,000 those schoolgirl outfits were found in the massage room, and 154 00:09:26,159 --> 00:09:28,200 we know that that was the room that Glene was 155 00:09:28,240 --> 00:09:32,039 inhabiting according to other witnesses, then that is certainly something 156 00:09:32,039 --> 00:09:36,000 that is relevant and something that should be discussed. And 157 00:09:36,200 --> 00:09:39,960 Jeffrey Epstein was known to have this collection of schoolgirl outfits. 158 00:09:40,440 --> 00:09:43,240 We know the stories about how he had. One of 159 00:09:43,240 --> 00:09:47,639 these survivors, according to her account by Little Cotton like 160 00:09:47,759 --> 00:09:50,960 little girl underwear. We've heard all of the horror stories 161 00:09:51,000 --> 00:09:54,240 about this guy. So why anyone would think that he 162 00:09:54,279 --> 00:09:57,360 doesn't have a collection of schoolgirl outfits is, you know, 163 00:09:57,399 --> 00:10:00,039 beyond me. He certainly did, according to all of the 164 00:10:00,080 --> 00:10:04,720 accounts that we have heard. The defense well, they changed 165 00:10:04,759 --> 00:10:07,440 their tactic and they were like, you know what, instead 166 00:10:07,440 --> 00:10:10,960 of the relevance of the school girl outfits. Now they're 167 00:10:11,000 --> 00:10:14,240 asking that the costumes not be described as school grow outfits. 168 00:10:14,559 --> 00:10:18,960 So you see what they do here, right, technicalities, trying 169 00:10:19,000 --> 00:10:25,440 to change their strategy mid argument, and it went from 170 00:10:25,519 --> 00:10:28,240 the fact that oh, at first they're not relevant to now, 171 00:10:28,360 --> 00:10:30,600 oh well, let's just change the names. We can't call 172 00:10:30,679 --> 00:10:34,639 them school growl outfits. That's prejudicial. And this is the 173 00:10:34,679 --> 00:10:38,639 sort of sparring that was going on. And this is 174 00:10:38,679 --> 00:10:40,840 what was going on in the courtroom before the jury 175 00:10:40,960 --> 00:10:50,720 even stepped foot into the courtroom this morning. So the 176 00:10:50,759 --> 00:10:54,519 prosecution says that they will just lay a foundation and 177 00:10:54,559 --> 00:10:57,639 then ask the witness about the costumes in question form. 178 00:10:58,200 --> 00:11:02,600 So they were wrangling and trying to get procedural stuff 179 00:11:02,679 --> 00:11:06,799 out of the way before Judge Nathan Either even came 180 00:11:06,840 --> 00:11:11,799 into the room. So Max, right when they start, right 181 00:11:11,799 --> 00:11:14,960 when the trial, I mean, when the hearing commenced, they 182 00:11:14,960 --> 00:11:17,440 went right at it. Maxwell's lawyers they go in hard 183 00:11:17,519 --> 00:11:20,879 right away. They go right after the fact that he took, 184 00:11:21,000 --> 00:11:24,279 meaning a lessie from sixty three hundred dollars from Epstein, 185 00:11:24,600 --> 00:11:27,039 and they frame it as such, you took sixty three 186 00:11:27,240 --> 00:11:30,879 hundred dollars. So they're framing it right away they're leaving 187 00:11:30,919 --> 00:11:34,799 no question. They're setting the question up that they ask 188 00:11:34,919 --> 00:11:38,159 him to leave no doubt you took the sixty three 189 00:11:38,240 --> 00:11:44,039 hundred dollars, and obviously he uh, he says yeah, he 190 00:11:44,080 --> 00:11:47,120 took it. Because he did take it, right, it's not 191 00:11:47,240 --> 00:11:50,919 even a question. So what they're trying to do is 192 00:11:51,080 --> 00:11:53,879 set it up that he is not to be believed. 193 00:11:54,200 --> 00:11:56,639 If he would take sixty three hundred dollars from somebody, 194 00:11:56,879 --> 00:12:00,440 then why would he be somebody who's credible? Now, remember 195 00:12:00,480 --> 00:12:05,240 that's what the defense is trying to do. This is 196 00:12:05,279 --> 00:12:07,440 a message that they continue to try to hammer home. 197 00:12:07,799 --> 00:12:10,159 They then doubled down on this by asking him if 198 00:12:10,159 --> 00:12:13,360 he lied not only once, but twice unless he responds 199 00:12:13,399 --> 00:12:16,720 that he didn't lie. But the defense keeps banging away 200 00:12:16,759 --> 00:12:19,679 at it. Didn't you try to steal a gun? Didn't 201 00:12:19,720 --> 00:12:21,960 you try to steal over five thousand dollars to pay 202 00:12:22,000 --> 00:12:27,519 for immigration papers for your girlfriend? Pretty scusy line of questioning, Right, 203 00:12:27,600 --> 00:12:30,840 why are you bringing up someone's immigration status who isn't 204 00:12:30,879 --> 00:12:34,120 even involved in the case. Obviously they'll try and say 205 00:12:34,120 --> 00:12:37,559 that was the cause of Unlessie taking the money, but 206 00:12:37,840 --> 00:12:43,080 Alessi responded that it wasn't even his girlfriend. After this exchange, 207 00:12:43,159 --> 00:12:47,600 the defense asks Alessie if a police officer Dawson questioned him, 208 00:12:47,840 --> 00:12:50,759 Unlessie corrects the defense and tells the court that he 209 00:12:50,919 --> 00:12:53,840 was the one who went to speak with Officer Dawson. 210 00:12:54,240 --> 00:12:56,559 So what he's saying is nobody had to come find 211 00:12:56,559 --> 00:12:58,360 me to speak with me. I went and talked to 212 00:12:58,759 --> 00:13:02,279 Officer Dawson. I was the one who, of my own accord, 213 00:13:02,559 --> 00:13:05,519 went there and spoke with him, and you know, tried 214 00:13:05,519 --> 00:13:07,679 to get it all figured out. You know, he was 215 00:13:07,679 --> 00:13:09,759 attempting to show that he was doing this on his 216 00:13:09,759 --> 00:13:15,399 own and wasn't in any trouble. Then the questioning turned 217 00:13:15,440 --> 00:13:19,879 to the gun, and the defense asked if he told 218 00:13:19,879 --> 00:13:23,519 Officer Dawson that he went to Epstein's to steal a gun, 219 00:13:23,960 --> 00:13:27,039 and unless he says he can't recall. Now, the defense 220 00:13:27,120 --> 00:13:29,799 loves that. Right when you say you can't recall on 221 00:13:29,840 --> 00:13:31,879 the stand, they're going to try and use that if 222 00:13:31,879 --> 00:13:34,159 you misremembering. They're going to try and say that you 223 00:13:34,200 --> 00:13:37,000 have a terrible memory, and all of this stuff you're 224 00:13:37,039 --> 00:13:41,279 saying is incorrect. But the defense, they won't let up 225 00:13:41,279 --> 00:13:44,840 on this fact, and they respond with you might have said, 226 00:13:44,879 --> 00:13:48,600 but you don't recall, and again they're trying to frame it. 227 00:13:48,919 --> 00:13:52,559 So the jury sees that his memory is bad or 228 00:13:52,600 --> 00:13:58,799 he doesn't remember correctly, and that is the strategy. It's 229 00:13:58,879 --> 00:14:01,840 going to be the whole way through, so just get 230 00:14:01,840 --> 00:14:07,879 ready for it. Once again, the full court assault on 231 00:14:07,960 --> 00:14:12,279 his memory and credibility keeps up by again asking Alessi 232 00:14:12,360 --> 00:14:15,480 if he went back to steal money another time. To this, 233 00:14:15,519 --> 00:14:18,440 Alessi responds that he only did it one time, and 234 00:14:18,480 --> 00:14:22,000 he thinks that that's what he told the police. Once again, 235 00:14:22,240 --> 00:14:29,000 he thinks. So. The defense really had a quite the 236 00:14:29,000 --> 00:14:33,399 sparring session with Alessi, according to those who were in court, 237 00:14:33,480 --> 00:14:36,000 and there it was a little tense at times as well. 238 00:14:38,080 --> 00:14:41,440 The defense goes on to describe how Alessi entered the 239 00:14:41,480 --> 00:14:44,720 house via the sliding glass door and swiped fifty six 240 00:14:44,799 --> 00:14:49,000 hundred dollars from a white envelope in one of Epstein's briefcases. 241 00:14:51,000 --> 00:14:58,639 So Alessi sneaks in through the sliding glass door, takes 242 00:14:59,000 --> 00:15:06,200 fifty six hundred bar and hits the skids. The lawyers 243 00:15:06,200 --> 00:15:08,759 continue to chip away at his credibility as they once 244 00:15:08,799 --> 00:15:11,159 again asked him about the money that was stolen, and 245 00:15:11,200 --> 00:15:14,279 then add that money that was stolen while unless he 246 00:15:14,440 --> 00:15:17,200 was the owner of and then they ask him why 247 00:15:17,240 --> 00:15:19,399 that money was stolen while a less he was the 248 00:15:19,399 --> 00:15:23,639 owner of properties valued at over one million dollars. So 249 00:15:23,799 --> 00:15:27,720 he had property valued at over one million dollars allegedly 250 00:15:27,759 --> 00:15:33,360 at this time, according to Maxwell's lawyers, but he still 251 00:15:33,399 --> 00:15:37,960 went ahead and stole that money from Epstein, and they're 252 00:15:38,000 --> 00:15:41,480 trying to once again frame it as this guy's a thief, 253 00:15:41,559 --> 00:15:44,600 he's a you know, a no good person who shouldn't 254 00:15:44,639 --> 00:15:49,120 be believed. He responded that he had sold those properties 255 00:15:49,159 --> 00:15:53,840 at the time and he wasn't in possession of them now. 256 00:15:54,080 --> 00:15:58,159 At this point, one of Maxwell's lawyers says the name 257 00:15:58,200 --> 00:16:01,600 of one of the anonymous accusers inside of the courtroom 258 00:16:01,679 --> 00:16:05,120 in open court, and I honestly, look, I don't have 259 00:16:05,159 --> 00:16:07,519 any evidence of this, but I honestly doubt it was 260 00:16:07,519 --> 00:16:12,480 a mistake. The whole entire defense has been smarmy from 261 00:16:12,559 --> 00:16:15,919 day one, and they have decided to go scorched earth. 262 00:16:16,200 --> 00:16:20,879 So why would this be any different? Why would this 263 00:16:20,919 --> 00:16:28,360 be any different? So I really hope that Judge Nathan 264 00:16:28,480 --> 00:16:35,080 really uh hammers them for this. Judge Nathan admonishes the 265 00:16:35,120 --> 00:16:38,120 defense to abide by her rules, and then the prosecution 266 00:16:38,320 --> 00:16:45,879 demanded a sidebar directly after this incident happened. The sidebar ends. 267 00:16:46,440 --> 00:16:50,000 They get back to the questioning, and when the lawyer 268 00:16:50,320 --> 00:16:55,440 Pagliuca asked about Jane again, he emphasizes on the name Jane, 269 00:16:55,519 --> 00:16:59,600 this time trying to, you know, like a smart ass 270 00:16:59,600 --> 00:17:04,160 response to the fact that he called Jane by her 271 00:17:04,480 --> 00:17:07,799 name in court, so kind of like a snarky way 272 00:17:07,839 --> 00:17:12,039 to say, Oh, Jane, is that what you mean? So 273 00:17:12,200 --> 00:17:14,759 there's another quick back and forth between a Lessie and 274 00:17:14,799 --> 00:17:19,279 the defense lawyer before they called for a break. Now 275 00:17:19,440 --> 00:17:23,440 that's the uh, that's the early session, the early back 276 00:17:23,480 --> 00:17:25,920 and forth. Right, a quick write up about what was 277 00:17:25,960 --> 00:17:28,960 going on with Alessie on the stand here. And it 278 00:17:29,039 --> 00:17:32,279 was pretty contentious, that whole entire first portion of it, 279 00:17:32,559 --> 00:17:34,920 no doubt about it. They went hard in the paint 280 00:17:34,960 --> 00:17:39,160 on them, and I can only imagine being in the courtroom, 281 00:17:39,599 --> 00:17:43,720 what you know, the the way that they built their 282 00:17:43,839 --> 00:17:50,599 argument here. Definitely no holds barred, and it's just going 283 00:17:50,640 --> 00:17:54,359 to keep going on. So I hope that the prosecution 284 00:17:54,640 --> 00:17:58,160 is prepared for that and they're prepared to answer in kind, 285 00:17:58,680 --> 00:18:03,200 because this is obviously a no gloves fight, right, This 286 00:18:03,240 --> 00:18:06,480 is a backyard brawl at this point between the defense 287 00:18:06,599 --> 00:18:11,119 and the prosecution. So I hope the prosecution bites down 288 00:18:11,160 --> 00:18:15,119 on their mouthpiece and comes out swinging. And I think 289 00:18:15,160 --> 00:18:17,920 next week's going to be very crucial for the trial. 290 00:18:18,200 --> 00:18:19,759 I think we're going to get more of an idea 291 00:18:19,799 --> 00:18:22,039 of which way we're going, and we're going to get 292 00:18:22,079 --> 00:18:26,519 more of an idea about, you know, certain aspects of 293 00:18:26,559 --> 00:18:31,720 the prosecution's case moving forward. So after the lunch break, 294 00:18:31,759 --> 00:18:34,880 Alessi is back on the stand and the questioning turns 295 00:18:34,920 --> 00:18:38,559 towards Virginia Roberts and what Alessi said about her yesterday. 296 00:18:39,000 --> 00:18:41,599 They talk about him driving Maxwell tomor A Lago to 297 00:18:41,640 --> 00:18:45,400 pick up Virginia and how and what the weather conditions 298 00:18:45,440 --> 00:18:48,680 were like, So again looking to punch holes in his story. 299 00:18:49,240 --> 00:18:51,640 They were going after the dates, what the weather conditions 300 00:18:51,640 --> 00:18:57,240 were like, and really attempting to you know, Swiss cheese 301 00:18:57,240 --> 00:19:01,200 it up on. The defense was trying to suggest that 302 00:19:01,240 --> 00:19:04,039 Maxwell was there getting a treatment at mar A Lago. 303 00:19:04,119 --> 00:19:07,480 She wasn't there for any draconian purposes. She wasn't there 304 00:19:07,519 --> 00:19:10,000 to recruit any kids. That's why they were there. They 305 00:19:10,039 --> 00:19:13,440 were saying, and Alessie responded to that by saying, he 306 00:19:13,480 --> 00:19:15,759 has no idea about her treatments or what she was 307 00:19:15,799 --> 00:19:18,759 there for. You know, if that's the case, all he 308 00:19:18,799 --> 00:19:24,319 could say is what he saw. Alessie was also oppressed 309 00:19:24,359 --> 00:19:27,839 about Jeffrey Epstein's private life, and he said that Epstein 310 00:19:27,880 --> 00:19:32,640 didn't share his private life with him. They also talked 311 00:19:32,680 --> 00:19:35,680 about pictures of Maxwell that were on the walls and 312 00:19:35,720 --> 00:19:38,400 how Alessi was instructed to take them down when other 313 00:19:38,480 --> 00:19:43,799 women visited. It was a whole entire package of crazy there, folks, 314 00:19:43,839 --> 00:19:49,640 a whole entire package of effed up, twisted way of life. 315 00:19:49,799 --> 00:19:52,960 And all of these people that were around, they give 316 00:19:53,039 --> 00:19:58,319 me the skeeves big time. There was a bunch of 317 00:19:58,319 --> 00:20:01,200 weird behavior by Epstein and Maxwell throughout their time together. 318 00:20:02,039 --> 00:20:04,880 When asked why he had taken them down, his answer was, 319 00:20:04,960 --> 00:20:08,279 I have no idea, and they wouldn't share that with them, right. 320 00:20:08,319 --> 00:20:10,000 They're not going to say to the hired help, hey, look, 321 00:20:10,039 --> 00:20:11,839 this is why I want you to take these pictures down. 322 00:20:12,480 --> 00:20:15,839 Epstein and Maxwell weren't the kind of people who want 323 00:20:15,880 --> 00:20:18,160 to have a discussion with the hired help. They give 324 00:20:18,279 --> 00:20:20,759 orders and you better jump to it, or they'll find 325 00:20:20,759 --> 00:20:26,519 somebody to do that for them. There was questions asked 326 00:20:26,799 --> 00:20:31,240 by the prosecution also about foreign people who visited the properties, 327 00:20:31,240 --> 00:20:34,319 including those with accents, and unless he said that there 328 00:20:34,319 --> 00:20:39,279 were plenty of different accents, including but not limited to, English, French, 329 00:20:39,319 --> 00:20:43,160 and Italian accents. We all know that Jeffrey Epstein thought 330 00:20:43,200 --> 00:20:45,480 he was this jet setter. We all know that he 331 00:20:45,519 --> 00:20:48,960 had contacts all over the world. This was intercontinental. This 332 00:20:49,079 --> 00:20:51,680 wasn't just in the United States of America. This was 333 00:20:51,680 --> 00:20:54,799 happening all over the world. And all of these people 334 00:20:54,839 --> 00:20:57,680 with all of these accents coming to Jeffrey Epstein's house, 335 00:20:58,240 --> 00:21:02,680 how many of them were at levers of power? Well, 336 00:21:03,079 --> 00:21:05,920 I'm guessing most of them, because Jeffrey Epstein didn't just 337 00:21:05,920 --> 00:21:08,400 hang out with regular people, him and Glen Maxwell. They 338 00:21:08,440 --> 00:21:11,519 only piled around with people that could advance them and 339 00:21:11,559 --> 00:21:17,839 their agenda. Now the prosecution starts in again on Alessi 340 00:21:17,880 --> 00:21:22,039 about arranging massages for Epstein at the Breakers in Palm Beach, 341 00:21:22,599 --> 00:21:25,680 and then they smack them with this one. They ask 342 00:21:25,759 --> 00:21:28,960 him if him arranging massages for Epstein at the Breakers 343 00:21:29,240 --> 00:21:33,359 made him a trafficker also, which is garbage. Those massages 344 00:21:33,359 --> 00:21:35,319 are at a real joint, right, He's setting them up 345 00:21:35,359 --> 00:21:39,279 at a real joint to go get a massage, having 346 00:21:39,319 --> 00:21:42,599 these girls fourteen fifteen, sixteen, seventeen, whatever it is, come 347 00:21:42,599 --> 00:21:45,039 to your house to give you a massage. These aren't 348 00:21:45,119 --> 00:21:49,839 massage therapists. These kids haven't even passed drivers in some cases. 349 00:21:50,599 --> 00:21:54,039 These are kids that should be at cheer practice or 350 00:21:54,079 --> 00:21:56,000 whatever the hell it is kids are doing these days. 351 00:21:57,680 --> 00:22:00,480 So to try and conflate the two issues, I mean, 352 00:22:00,559 --> 00:22:05,039 that's just crazy, honestly. But that's the way that they're 353 00:22:05,079 --> 00:22:10,720 gonna roll. And whatever chance that the defense sees to 354 00:22:11,759 --> 00:22:13,960 poke a hole in the armor, to poke a hole 355 00:22:14,039 --> 00:22:17,119 in the prosecution's case, they're gonna go full bore and 356 00:22:17,200 --> 00:22:22,039 try and do it. But this was pretty shitty way 357 00:22:22,039 --> 00:22:25,640 to go about it, right, attacking people this way, But 358 00:22:26,039 --> 00:22:33,680 it's the nature of the beast. When he was asked 359 00:22:33,680 --> 00:22:35,920 if he thought that the people sent to reform on 360 00:22:36,559 --> 00:22:39,319 on the Epstein sessions were of age, unless he responded 361 00:22:39,359 --> 00:22:42,240 that he believed they were, he better respond that way, 362 00:22:42,319 --> 00:22:45,240 right or else he is putting himself in a position 363 00:22:45,440 --> 00:22:48,720 of enabling it and facilitating it. Ah, Yeah, I thought 364 00:22:48,720 --> 00:22:52,480 they were underage, but I just turned the blind eye. Meanwhile, 365 00:22:52,519 --> 00:22:54,480 we know that's what most of these people were doing. 366 00:22:55,880 --> 00:22:58,559 We've heard about the young Swedish girl who was crying 367 00:22:58,599 --> 00:23:02,240 her eyes out. Yeah, we've heard all the stories, mister Alessi. 368 00:23:02,920 --> 00:23:06,000 And while some people might not be hip to what 369 00:23:06,039 --> 00:23:08,880 went on with this dude, well, you know, the fact 370 00:23:08,960 --> 00:23:11,440 of the matter is this, I say it all the time. 371 00:23:11,960 --> 00:23:16,079 There really are no good guys in this Epstein's Maxwell saga, 372 00:23:16,519 --> 00:23:23,319 plenty of dark characters and gray people. The defense went 373 00:23:23,359 --> 00:23:26,960 on to ask about any situation where unless he heard, saw, 374 00:23:27,200 --> 00:23:29,880 or thought someone was in distress while on the property. 375 00:23:30,039 --> 00:23:35,319 Alessi said no. Pagliuca then asked if anyone complained to him, 376 00:23:35,480 --> 00:23:37,920 and Alessi says no, but he wishes that they had, 377 00:23:38,200 --> 00:23:42,839 because then he would have been able to stop it. Bro, really, 378 00:23:45,000 --> 00:23:49,279 you didn't have any idea what was going on, got 379 00:23:49,279 --> 00:23:51,440 girls coming to stay the night over at old Jeffy's 380 00:23:51,440 --> 00:23:56,880 house and just all good, no questions, asked anything. To 381 00:23:56,920 --> 00:24:01,200 make sure that that paycheck cash is right. So that 382 00:24:01,400 --> 00:24:06,880 was pretty much the deal with Alessi. And after this 383 00:24:06,960 --> 00:24:09,839 line of questioning he stepped down and there was no 384 00:24:09,920 --> 00:24:14,079 redirect so that concluded the cross examination of Juan Alessi, 385 00:24:14,559 --> 00:24:19,480 and then the next witness was Gregory Parkinson, a crime 386 00:24:19,519 --> 00:24:23,079 scene investigator from Palm Beach County who had worked on 387 00:24:23,759 --> 00:24:28,799 the Epstein case the first time around. Now, this is 388 00:24:28,880 --> 00:24:31,400 the portion of the testimony where a lot of the 389 00:24:31,480 --> 00:24:35,799 stuff was visual and digitized, So there's really not too 390 00:24:35,920 --> 00:24:37,599 much to go on. There's a little bit right, and 391 00:24:37,640 --> 00:24:41,960 we're going to get to it, but the overall scenario 392 00:24:42,960 --> 00:24:48,160 is them talking about the first raid of Jeffrey Epstein's 393 00:24:48,160 --> 00:24:52,359 Palm Beach home during the original prosecution back in two 394 00:24:52,440 --> 00:24:56,319 thousand and seven two thousand and eight, and Jeffrey Epstein 395 00:24:56,319 --> 00:25:01,400 obviously made the sweetheart deal, got the hook up and 396 00:25:01,440 --> 00:25:05,279 didn't do any real jail time, But the actual investigation 397 00:25:05,480 --> 00:25:10,119 into Epstein and Palm Beach was a pretty thorough investigation, 398 00:25:10,839 --> 00:25:14,720 and they were absolutely hamstrung by the state prosecutors, meaning 399 00:25:14,720 --> 00:25:17,599 the police department, by the state prosecutors, and then the 400 00:25:17,599 --> 00:25:20,559 Feds on top of it. I'm going to post a 401 00:25:20,559 --> 00:25:23,759 few episodes this weekend going into a little bit more 402 00:25:23,880 --> 00:25:27,640 about the situation as far as how hard the Palm 403 00:25:27,680 --> 00:25:30,680 Beach Police Department worked and how badly they wanted to 404 00:25:30,680 --> 00:25:34,119 put Epstein in prison and how they were just stopped 405 00:25:34,119 --> 00:25:36,920 in their tracks pretty much the whole way. So this 406 00:25:37,039 --> 00:25:40,759 gentleman that they're talking to on the stand now, Gregory Parkinson, 407 00:25:41,079 --> 00:25:43,279 is a crime scene investigator who used to work for 408 00:25:43,319 --> 00:25:46,480 the Palm Beach Police Department, but he's now retired. He 409 00:25:46,519 --> 00:25:50,680 worked on the Epstein investigation and now as he's on 410 00:25:50,720 --> 00:25:53,440 the stand, the prosecution enters all kinds of evidence into 411 00:25:53,480 --> 00:25:56,759 the record, but obviously the press and the public were 412 00:25:56,799 --> 00:26:00,000 not privy to it. It's under seal. At one point, 413 00:26:00,119 --> 00:26:03,480 Marine Komi asked, what do we see here during the search, 414 00:26:04,000 --> 00:26:08,039 and Officer Parkinson responded, Epstein and the Pope, meaning a 415 00:26:08,039 --> 00:26:11,400 picture of Epstein and the Pope. There was also a 416 00:26:11,400 --> 00:26:16,200 picture of Epstein and Fidel Castro and a litany of 417 00:26:16,240 --> 00:26:18,720 other people. I'm not going to get into it here, 418 00:26:19,039 --> 00:26:22,519 but throughout the years we have talked about so many 419 00:26:22,599 --> 00:26:25,880 different pictures that were found at Epstein's house that were 420 00:26:26,680 --> 00:26:34,079 predominantly and prominently displayed. The prosecution continues to instruct the 421 00:26:34,200 --> 00:26:36,640 jurors on what sealed items to look at, one after 422 00:26:36,680 --> 00:26:40,559 the other. Comy then asked that Exhibit two thirty four 423 00:26:40,640 --> 00:26:43,960 be admitted under seal of seal, of course, and then 424 00:26:44,079 --> 00:26:46,720 some exhibits are for the public. Exhibit two twenty eight, 425 00:26:46,759 --> 00:26:50,799 for example, is one of those, and Comy asked Officer 426 00:26:50,920 --> 00:26:55,640 Parkinson what two twenty eight contains, and he responded that 427 00:26:55,880 --> 00:27:00,799 it's the garden room. More sealed documents introduced instructions to 428 00:27:00,839 --> 00:27:05,680 the jurors before Nathan announces another break. So this is 429 00:27:05,720 --> 00:27:07,880 what I was talking about earlier. We get to the 430 00:27:07,920 --> 00:27:11,880 point where there's not much for us to consume as 431 00:27:11,960 --> 00:27:16,240 the public for the afternoon session here. So they get 432 00:27:16,240 --> 00:27:18,880 back from the break and the jurors continue to go 433 00:27:18,920 --> 00:27:21,599 over the evidence, a lot of it sealed that pertains 434 00:27:21,640 --> 00:27:25,799 to Epstein's residences. Some of the public photos include one 435 00:27:25,839 --> 00:27:28,759 of the bathroom that has a pink couch and a 436 00:27:28,839 --> 00:27:33,880 phone and a portable inflatable massage table. Now this is interesting. 437 00:27:34,480 --> 00:27:39,880 The prosecution moves to introduce exhibit fifty one to evidence, 438 00:27:40,160 --> 00:27:43,000 which is a groom massage table, not an inflatable one, 439 00:27:43,920 --> 00:27:47,200 and this is one of the massage tables allegedly that 440 00:27:47,440 --> 00:27:51,680 you know, was used. So it's a very interesting admission 441 00:27:51,720 --> 00:27:55,839 to the evidence. So that was exhibit fifty one that 442 00:27:55,960 --> 00:27:58,759 wasn't sealed, so we were able to get a look 443 00:27:58,759 --> 00:28:04,960 at that at least. Now, the witness goes in for 444 00:28:05,039 --> 00:28:08,880 cross examination and Christian Everdell takes over and he goes 445 00:28:08,960 --> 00:28:13,759 right after the alleged Alessi theft from Epstein by asking Parkinson. 446 00:28:15,000 --> 00:28:18,519 After asking Parkinson if he responded to a burglary, that burglary, 447 00:28:18,720 --> 00:28:22,960 burglary there, Parkinson affirms that that is the case. So 448 00:28:23,079 --> 00:28:28,680 what that does is it confirms that Alessi wanted to 449 00:28:28,759 --> 00:28:30,920 steal from Epstein, broke into the house, stole the money. 450 00:28:30,920 --> 00:28:33,759 It confirms all of that by the police officer who 451 00:28:34,000 --> 00:28:39,799 was attending the scene, attending the complaint. So again, trying 452 00:28:39,839 --> 00:28:44,839 to paunch holes in the credibility, Everdell goes on to 453 00:28:44,839 --> 00:28:48,559 say that Epstein reported that several thousand dollars had been stolen, right, 454 00:28:49,000 --> 00:28:52,640 Parkinson responds that that is true as well. Most of 455 00:28:52,680 --> 00:28:55,160 this portion of the testimony, like I said, as visual. 456 00:28:55,400 --> 00:28:58,359 So there's not much to offer here. After some more 457 00:28:58,400 --> 00:29:01,960 time of this witness, he's excused and the next witness, 458 00:29:02,000 --> 00:29:05,720 Michael Dawson, one of the detectives who searched Epstein's residence, 459 00:29:06,200 --> 00:29:11,599 hits the stand. Now this wasn't very long, but we 460 00:29:11,720 --> 00:29:14,960 got some decent information out of here for sure. He 461 00:29:15,039 --> 00:29:18,200 testified that they were searching for sex toys, massage tables, 462 00:29:18,480 --> 00:29:21,799 messages sent or received, and any other material that might 463 00:29:21,839 --> 00:29:25,559 be related to the warrant. Maureen Comy asked, what were 464 00:29:25,599 --> 00:29:29,319 you looking for during the search. Dawson responds to this, 465 00:29:29,640 --> 00:29:32,240 massage tables and oils, sex toys. There are a lot 466 00:29:32,240 --> 00:29:35,039 of photos of nude females. We seized a phone book, 467 00:29:35,079 --> 00:29:38,720 a massage table, photo of a nude female, a sex 468 00:29:38,799 --> 00:29:43,799 toy called the Torpedo. So that's where they pretty much 469 00:29:43,839 --> 00:29:47,200 stopped at for the day. Right There's the time was 470 00:29:47,240 --> 00:29:49,599 running out. There's thirteen minutes left or so in the trial, 471 00:29:49,920 --> 00:29:52,440 and instead of hammering at home, they're going to wait 472 00:29:52,440 --> 00:29:56,759 till Monday to finish this testimony. But during the first 473 00:29:56,759 --> 00:29:59,960 search of Epstein's house, they found a whole bunch of wacky, 474 00:30:00,119 --> 00:30:04,000 weird shit, A whole bunch of wacky stuff. I mean, 475 00:30:04,240 --> 00:30:06,480 there was a picture of Bill Clinton on the wall 476 00:30:06,519 --> 00:30:10,160 in a blue dress and some red pumps. Pictures of 477 00:30:10,200 --> 00:30:13,240 all kinds of naked people all over, obviously, pictures of 478 00:30:13,319 --> 00:30:17,160 underage kids, underage girls, according to witnesses and people who 479 00:30:17,160 --> 00:30:19,559 had been there. So they found a whole bunch of 480 00:30:19,559 --> 00:30:24,240 wild stuff during that first raid of Jeffrey Epstein's house 481 00:30:24,279 --> 00:30:27,000 when he was getting arrested the first time around, and 482 00:30:27,200 --> 00:30:30,079 it was they had so much that they were prepared 483 00:30:30,119 --> 00:30:35,000 to really really hammer this dude. And once his all 484 00:30:35,000 --> 00:30:41,559 star lawyer team got involved, Gerald Lefkowitz, Alan Dershowitz, you know, 485 00:30:41,640 --> 00:30:47,319 the whole crew, things changed real quick. So it's a 486 00:30:47,440 --> 00:30:53,559 very fascinating story of disgustingness and horribleness and terrible dereliction 487 00:30:53,640 --> 00:30:57,160 of duty by the authorities. And if you're not familiar 488 00:30:57,240 --> 00:31:01,000 with how it all went down during the original I'm 489 00:31:01,039 --> 00:31:05,880 gonna post some episodes over the weekend starting tonight that'll 490 00:31:05,880 --> 00:31:08,880 give you more of an idea of the absolute travesty 491 00:31:08,960 --> 00:31:12,680 that happened down in Palm Beach. So with that, folks, 492 00:31:12,720 --> 00:31:15,799 we're gonna wrap it up for the weekend, and you know, 493 00:31:15,880 --> 00:31:19,440 we'll be back this weekend Saturday and Sunday, I'll have 494 00:31:19,519 --> 00:31:22,960 these context episodes rocking and rolling. But Monday morning we'll 495 00:31:23,000 --> 00:31:26,079 hit the ground running, and one week closer to me 496 00:31:26,240 --> 00:31:28,839 getting to New York right after the holidays, I'm on 497 00:31:28,880 --> 00:31:31,000 a plane and I will be in New York for 498 00:31:31,440 --> 00:31:34,319 probably the last oh I don't know. Ten days of 499 00:31:34,400 --> 00:31:37,079 this trial or so, and we'll be able to get 500 00:31:37,119 --> 00:31:40,680 a little more from inside the courtroom, hopefully, and I'll 501 00:31:40,720 --> 00:31:44,960 be able to provide a more comprehensive look at what's 502 00:31:45,000 --> 00:31:47,799 going on once I'm on the ground. But until then, 503 00:31:48,519 --> 00:31:53,920 we'll be here every single day, same time, same format, 504 00:31:54,200 --> 00:31:58,400 and keeping the flags of discontent waving. Folks. To all 505 00:31:58,440 --> 00:32:01,920 of you who have joined the podcast recently, I appreciate 506 00:32:02,000 --> 00:32:06,319 you all riding with me, and I hope that as 507 00:32:06,359 --> 00:32:08,440 we move forward, those of you who might not have 508 00:32:08,559 --> 00:32:11,000 known about this case, I hope that you see it 509 00:32:11,039 --> 00:32:13,559 for what it really is, and I hope it pisses 510 00:32:13,599 --> 00:32:18,839 you off, because it should. All Right, everybody, please enjoy 511 00:32:18,880 --> 00:32:20,559 your weekend. If you're all going, if you're going out 512 00:32:20,599 --> 00:32:24,079 tonight partying or whatever, please do it responsibly. Don't need 513 00:32:24,599 --> 00:32:28,119 you know any car accidents or any of you making 514 00:32:28,200 --> 00:32:31,759 any bad mistakes. So please, if you're gonna go out tonight, 515 00:32:31,839 --> 00:32:34,359 have a great time, but do it safely. I want 516 00:32:34,400 --> 00:32:38,640 you all back Monday. We have some criminals to see 517 00:32:39,440 --> 00:32:42,799 get convicted. If you'd like to contact me, you can 518 00:32:42,880 --> 00:32:46,359 do that at Bobby Kapuci at ProtonMail dot com. That's 519 00:32:46,440 --> 00:32:51,559 bo Bby c Ap you Cci at ProtonMail dot com. 520 00:32:52,000 --> 00:32:55,559 You can also find me on Twitter at bo Bby 521 00:32:55,839 --> 00:32:58,480 Underscore Cap you c Ci.