Speaker 1: Become to the Epstein Chronicles. Today was the final day
of the first week of the Glenn Maxwell trial, and
we saw testimony from three more witnesses. Now. Today there
was a lot of testimony that was excuse me, a
lot of the evidence that was introduced under seal, and
a lot of the evidence that was introduced during the
afternoon portion of this was visual in nature. So there's
not very much to go on as far as notes
for the duration of the afternoon sessions. A lot of
it was video and different packets that were prepared for
the jurors previously, and so there's really not too much
about that now. What we do know about those afternoon
back and forth, we're gonna get to for sure. And
obviously Juan A Lessi took the stand again today and
he had to face the cross examination from Glaine Maxwell's
legal team, and as you all know, they're playing for keeps.
It's a scorched earth policy for Glinne Maxwell's legal team,
and the same could be said for the way they
went about it today. They absolutely hammered a Lessie on
his credibility and on a few of the other issues
that we touched on previously. During his testimony such as
the theft of the money, attempting to steal a gun
from Epstein, all kinds of wild stuff that go towards,
at the very least giving him the appearance of not
being a credible witness. And that's what the defense is
looking to do, right in every aspect. They're looking to
destroy the credibility of any witness who might paint their
client as guilty and want a lessie. You know, he's
not somebody who I have ever thought of as a
decent human being in this whole entire ordeal, and him
being a witness for the prosecution, you would think that
they would have had him prepared to stand up a
little bit better today. But overall, I thought it was
a relatively decent week for the prosecution. Not great, but
relatively decent week for them. And I think that the
testimony is just going to get worse for the defense.
Once the survivors are up on the stand and they're
giving their testimony and they're telling their stories, it's going
to be very impactful. And guys like Juana Lessi, well
they just you know, they fill in the blanks a
little bit, right, They can corroborate that Glaine was the
lady of the house. That Glaine was in Epstein's room
ninety five percent of the time according to court testimony,
So that puts her at the scene of the crime, right,
and I'm guessing that that was the goal for prosecution.
Now again, we're talking about somebody who is not a
great human being and whose credibility can easily be poked
at by the defense. So what it will come down to,
like everything else in this trial, is what the jury
thinks about it. What does the jury think. Did the
defense make a good enough argument and put him in
such a bad light that they don't even pay attention
to his testimony, or do they believe what mister Alessi
said on the stand, and you know, move forward with
that thought in their head as this trial goes along.
And it looks to me, and again, folks, I am
certainly not a lawyer, right, I'm not a journalist, nothing
like that, But it looks to me like the defense,
I mean, the prosecution is setting the foundation here for
the way that they're going to paint the picture, bringing
these ex employees other people who might have been around
as witnesses to set the scene. And then the testimony
from the survivors themselves. Well, that's the hammer strike, right,
that's when you open up the heavens and let loose.
You build the foundation first and then you build the
house on top of it. So I'm guessing that's what
the prosecution is doing right now. But like I said earlier,
there was a lot of things that were sealed today
and I'm not a fan of that at all. For
those of you who have listened to my podcast for
the last two and a half years, you know how
I feel about transparency, especially in cases like this when
there's been a complete lack thereof. So I think it's
important to have as much transparency as possible here. And
it was already beyond the pail that there wasn't a
call in line established. So now you're going to continue to,
you know, play these transparent games at least transparency I mean,
and keep things sealed as they're being introduced as evidence.
So there was a whole bunch of that today. Not
really a big fan, and again I'm not in that courtroom,
right I don't know what the motivations are to keep
it sealed, but I'm working off of the premise that
I'm just tired of transparent no transparency in this case
in general. And it is long beyond time that this
whole entire thing gets aired out, that more people know
what's going on here or what went on here. And
there are so many people who are interested in this
case now that had no interest in it previously. I
can't tell you how many people I have had contact
me that I'm talking about, people in my personal life
who have never really paid attention to my yelling and
screaming from every mountaintop about this, who are now interested
in what's going on. And I say, welcome, right, I'm
not one of these people who's going to deride you
or break your chops. Hey, Look, we're all ignorant until
we're not. Right. A lot of things I'm ignorant about,
and this case was one of them. I was ignorant
to this whole thing until I wasn't. So those of
you who have just found this case and this story, look,
there's gonna be a whole lot for you to consume,
because there's so much more than what you have been given,
what you have been shown, and even in this trial,
what they're talking about. Remember, this is a small scope
of time that Jeffrey Epstein and Maxwell were active, and
this is only a small amount of the girls who
were actually abused by them according to accounts. So remember
this is, you know, it's a cliche, the tip of
the iceberg, but this is legitimately the tip of the iceberg.
And I wish that there was more, right. I wish
there was more people on trial here. I wish that
this was a ricok, but it's not that. The reality is.
It is what it is. And hopefully when all is
said and done, they have enough to prosecute Maxwell and
send her to prison for the rest of her life,
because in my opinion, that's where somebody who does these
kinds of things belongs. So today the battle was on
trying to get to a place where she does not
have to go to prison for the rest of her life.
So let's take a look at some of that testimony today.
And what I did was is I compiled it all
and then I put it into more of a digestible
format so that we could read through it with a
little bit less back and forth, kind of make it,
i don't know, a little easier to consume and hopefully
a little shorter than the forty two minutes or so
that we've been rocking. I know it's Friday, and people
got a lot going on weekend, staring us down the face.
A lot of people want to relax a little bit,
and hell, I'm going to take a day off tomorrow myself,
So I get it. With that said, I tried to
compile this all and put it into a bit of
a digestible format. We'll see what's up, all right. So,
day five of the Maxwell trial, before the jury even
got into the room, the sparring was the sparring had commenced.
Maxwell's lawyer was commenting about seeing semen on the table
could be prejudicial. The prosecutor responds to this by stating
that it was a white stain and that it was
relevant in providing and proving whether the massages were or
were not sexual in nature. Judge Nathan, she made a
ruling that you know that that would be something that
she would have to use lab tests to permit. So
remember this is all before the jury even got into
the courtroom. As per the notes that were coming out,
prosecution went on to discuss the collection of Jeffrey Epstein's
schoolgirl outfits and how that is relevant to the larger picture.
Of course. Maxwell's lawyers, well, they shot back that the
collection of outfits has nothing to do with Maxwell and
is prejudicial against their client. To that, the prosecution answered
that the schoolgirl costumes small ones. They made a note
of that absolutely disgusting animals were found in the massage room,
therefore making them relevant to the case at hand. And
you would think that would be the case, right if
those schoolgirl outfits were found in the massage room, and
we know that that was the room that Glene was
inhabiting according to other witnesses, then that is certainly something
that is relevant and something that should be discussed. And
Jeffrey Epstein was known to have this collection of schoolgirl outfits.
We know the stories about how he had. One of
these survivors, according to her account by Little Cotton like
little girl underwear. We've heard all of the horror stories
about this guy. So why anyone would think that he
doesn't have a collection of schoolgirl outfits is, you know,
beyond me. He certainly did, according to all of the
accounts that we have heard. The defense well, they changed
their tactic and they were like, you know what, instead
of the relevance of the school girl outfits. Now they're
asking that the costumes not be described as school grow outfits.
So you see what they do here, right, technicalities, trying
to change their strategy mid argument, and it went from
the fact that oh, at first they're not relevant to now,
oh well, let's just change the names. We can't call
them school growl outfits. That's prejudicial. And this is the
sort of sparring that was going on. And this is
what was going on in the courtroom before the jury
even stepped foot into the courtroom this morning. So the
prosecution says that they will just lay a foundation and
then ask the witness about the costumes in question form.
So they were wrangling and trying to get procedural stuff
out of the way before Judge Nathan Either even came
into the room. So Max, right when they start, right
when the trial, I mean, when the hearing commenced, they
went right at it. Maxwell's lawyers they go in hard
right away. They go right after the fact that he took,
meaning a lessie from sixty three hundred dollars from Epstein,
and they frame it as such, you took sixty three
hundred dollars. So they're framing it right away they're leaving
no question. They're setting the question up that they ask
him to leave no doubt you took the sixty three
hundred dollars, and obviously he uh, he says yeah, he
took it. Because he did take it, right, it's not
even a question. So what they're trying to do is
set it up that he is not to be believed.
If he would take sixty three hundred dollars from somebody,
then why would he be somebody who's credible? Now, remember
that's what the defense is trying to do. This is
a message that they continue to try to hammer home.
They then doubled down on this by asking him if
he lied not only once, but twice unless he responds
that he didn't lie. But the defense keeps banging away
at it. Didn't you try to steal a gun? Didn't
you try to steal over five thousand dollars to pay
for immigration papers for your girlfriend? Pretty scusy line of questioning, Right,
why are you bringing up someone's immigration status who isn't
even involved in the case. Obviously they'll try and say
that was the cause of Unlessie taking the money, but
Alessi responded that it wasn't even his girlfriend. After this exchange,
the defense asks Alessie if a police officer Dawson questioned him,
Unlessie corrects the defense and tells the court that he
was the one who went to speak with Officer Dawson.
So what he's saying is nobody had to come find
me to speak with me. I went and talked to
Officer Dawson. I was the one who, of my own accord,
went there and spoke with him, and you know, tried
to get it all figured out. You know, he was
attempting to show that he was doing this on his
own and wasn't in any trouble. Then the questioning turned
to the gun, and the defense asked if he told
Officer Dawson that he went to Epstein's to steal a gun,
and unless he says he can't recall. Now, the defense
loves that. Right when you say you can't recall on
the stand, they're going to try and use that if
you misremembering. They're going to try and say that you
have a terrible memory, and all of this stuff you're
saying is incorrect. But the defense, they won't let up
on this fact, and they respond with you might have said,
but you don't recall, and again they're trying to frame it.
So the jury sees that his memory is bad or
he doesn't remember correctly, and that is the strategy. It's
going to be the whole way through, so just get
ready for it. Once again, the full court assault on
his memory and credibility keeps up by again asking Alessi
if he went back to steal money another time. To this,
Alessi responds that he only did it one time, and
he thinks that that's what he told the police. Once again,
he thinks. So. The defense really had a quite the
sparring session with Alessi, according to those who were in court,
and there it was a little tense at times as well.
The defense goes on to describe how Alessi entered the
house via the sliding glass door and swiped fifty six
hundred dollars from a white envelope in one of Epstein's briefcases.
So Alessi sneaks in through the sliding glass door, takes
fifty six hundred bar and hits the skids. The lawyers
continue to chip away at his credibility as they once
again asked him about the money that was stolen, and
then add that money that was stolen while unless he
was the owner of and then they ask him why
that money was stolen while a less he was the
owner of properties valued at over one million dollars. So
he had property valued at over one million dollars allegedly
at this time, according to Maxwell's lawyers, but he still
went ahead and stole that money from Epstein, and they're
trying to once again frame it as this guy's a thief,
he's a you know, a no good person who shouldn't
be believed. He responded that he had sold those properties
at the time and he wasn't in possession of them now.
At this point, one of Maxwell's lawyers says the name
of one of the anonymous accusers inside of the courtroom
in open court, and I honestly, look, I don't have
any evidence of this, but I honestly doubt it was
a mistake. The whole entire defense has been smarmy from
day one, and they have decided to go scorched earth.
So why would this be any different? Why would this
be any different? So I really hope that Judge Nathan
really uh hammers them for this. Judge Nathan admonishes the
defense to abide by her rules, and then the prosecution
demanded a sidebar directly after this incident happened. The sidebar ends.
They get back to the questioning, and when the lawyer
Pagliuca asked about Jane again, he emphasizes on the name Jane,
this time trying to, you know, like a smart ass
response to the fact that he called Jane by her
name in court, so kind of like a snarky way
to say, Oh, Jane, is that what you mean? So
there's another quick back and forth between a Lessie and
the defense lawyer before they called for a break. Now
that's the uh, that's the early session, the early back
and forth. Right, a quick write up about what was
going on with Alessie on the stand here. And it
was pretty contentious, that whole entire first portion of it,
no doubt about it. They went hard in the paint
on them, and I can only imagine being in the courtroom,
what you know, the the way that they built their
argument here. Definitely no holds barred, and it's just going
to keep going on. So I hope that the prosecution
is prepared for that and they're prepared to answer in kind,
because this is obviously a no gloves fight, right, This
is a backyard brawl at this point between the defense
and the prosecution. So I hope the prosecution bites down
on their mouthpiece and comes out swinging. And I think
next week's going to be very crucial for the trial.
I think we're going to get more of an idea
of which way we're going, and we're going to get
more of an idea about, you know, certain aspects of
the prosecution's case moving forward. So after the lunch break,
Alessi is back on the stand and the questioning turns
towards Virginia Roberts and what Alessi said about her yesterday.
They talk about him driving Maxwell tomor A Lago to
pick up Virginia and how and what the weather conditions
were like, So again looking to punch holes in his story.
They were going after the dates, what the weather conditions
were like, and really attempting to you know, Swiss cheese
it up on. The defense was trying to suggest that
Maxwell was there getting a treatment at mar A Lago.
She wasn't there for any draconian purposes. She wasn't there
to recruit any kids. That's why they were there. They
were saying, and Alessie responded to that by saying, he
has no idea about her treatments or what she was
there for. You know, if that's the case, all he
could say is what he saw. Alessie was also oppressed
about Jeffrey Epstein's private life, and he said that Epstein
didn't share his private life with him. They also talked
about pictures of Maxwell that were on the walls and
how Alessi was instructed to take them down when other
women visited. It was a whole entire package of crazy there, folks,
a whole entire package of effed up, twisted way of life.
And all of these people that were around, they give
me the skeeves big time. There was a bunch of
weird behavior by Epstein and Maxwell throughout their time together.
When asked why he had taken them down, his answer was,
I have no idea, and they wouldn't share that with them, right.
They're not going to say to the hired help, hey, look,
this is why I want you to take these pictures down.
Epstein and Maxwell weren't the kind of people who want
to have a discussion with the hired help. They give
orders and you better jump to it, or they'll find
somebody to do that for them. There was questions asked
by the prosecution also about foreign people who visited the properties,
including those with accents, and unless he said that there
were plenty of different accents, including but not limited to, English, French,
and Italian accents. We all know that Jeffrey Epstein thought
he was this jet setter. We all know that he
had contacts all over the world. This was intercontinental. This
wasn't just in the United States of America. This was
happening all over the world. And all of these people
with all of these accents coming to Jeffrey Epstein's house,
how many of them were at levers of power? Well,
I'm guessing most of them, because Jeffrey Epstein didn't just
hang out with regular people, him and Glen Maxwell. They
only piled around with people that could advance them and
their agenda. Now the prosecution starts in again on Alessi
about arranging massages for Epstein at the Breakers in Palm Beach,
and then they smack them with this one. They ask
him if him arranging massages for Epstein at the Breakers
made him a trafficker also, which is garbage. Those massages
are at a real joint, right, He's setting them up
at a real joint to go get a massage, having
these girls fourteen fifteen, sixteen, seventeen, whatever it is, come
to your house to give you a massage. These aren't
massage therapists. These kids haven't even passed drivers in some cases.
These are kids that should be at cheer practice or
whatever the hell it is kids are doing these days.
So to try and conflate the two issues, I mean,
that's just crazy, honestly. But that's the way that they're
gonna roll. And whatever chance that the defense sees to
poke a hole in the armor, to poke a hole
in the prosecution's case, they're gonna go full bore and
try and do it. But this was pretty shitty way
to go about it, right, attacking people this way, But
it's the nature of the beast. When he was asked
if he thought that the people sent to reform on
on the Epstein sessions were of age, unless he responded
that he believed they were, he better respond that way,
right or else he is putting himself in a position
of enabling it and facilitating it. Ah, Yeah, I thought
they were underage, but I just turned the blind eye. Meanwhile,
we know that's what most of these people were doing.
We've heard about the young Swedish girl who was crying
her eyes out. Yeah, we've heard all the stories, mister Alessi.
And while some people might not be hip to what
went on with this dude, well, you know, the fact
of the matter is this, I say it all the time.
There really are no good guys in this Epstein's Maxwell saga,
plenty of dark characters and gray people. The defense went
on to ask about any situation where unless he heard, saw,
or thought someone was in distress while on the property.
Alessi said no. Pagliuca then asked if anyone complained to him,
and Alessi says no, but he wishes that they had,
because then he would have been able to stop it. Bro, really,
you didn't have any idea what was going on, got
girls coming to stay the night over at old Jeffy's
house and just all good, no questions, asked anything. To
make sure that that paycheck cash is right. So that
was pretty much the deal with Alessi. And after this
line of questioning he stepped down and there was no
redirect so that concluded the cross examination of Juan Alessi,
and then the next witness was Gregory Parkinson, a crime
scene investigator from Palm Beach County who had worked on
the Epstein case the first time around. Now, this is
the portion of the testimony where a lot of the
stuff was visual and digitized, So there's really not too
much to go on. There's a little bit right, and
we're going to get to it, but the overall scenario
is them talking about the first raid of Jeffrey Epstein's
Palm Beach home during the original prosecution back in two
thousand and seven two thousand and eight, and Jeffrey Epstein
obviously made the sweetheart deal, got the hook up and
didn't do any real jail time, But the actual investigation
into Epstein and Palm Beach was a pretty thorough investigation,
and they were absolutely hamstrung by the state prosecutors, meaning
the police department, by the state prosecutors, and then the
Feds on top of it. I'm going to post a
few episodes this weekend going into a little bit more
about the situation as far as how hard the Palm
Beach Police Department worked and how badly they wanted to
put Epstein in prison and how they were just stopped
in their tracks pretty much the whole way. So this
gentleman that they're talking to on the stand now, Gregory Parkinson,
is a crime scene investigator who used to work for
the Palm Beach Police Department, but he's now retired. He
worked on the Epstein investigation and now as he's on
the stand, the prosecution enters all kinds of evidence into
the record, but obviously the press and the public were
not privy to it. It's under seal. At one point,
Marine Komi asked, what do we see here during the search,
and Officer Parkinson responded, Epstein and the Pope, meaning a
picture of Epstein and the Pope. There was also a
picture of Epstein and Fidel Castro and a litany of
other people. I'm not going to get into it here,
but throughout the years we have talked about so many
different pictures that were found at Epstein's house that were
predominantly and prominently displayed. The prosecution continues to instruct the
jurors on what sealed items to look at, one after
the other. Comy then asked that Exhibit two thirty four
be admitted under seal of seal, of course, and then
some exhibits are for the public. Exhibit two twenty eight,
for example, is one of those, and Comy asked Officer
Parkinson what two twenty eight contains, and he responded that
it's the garden room. More sealed documents introduced instructions to
the jurors before Nathan announces another break. So this is
what I was talking about earlier. We get to the
point where there's not much for us to consume as
the public for the afternoon session here. So they get
back from the break and the jurors continue to go
over the evidence, a lot of it sealed that pertains
to Epstein's residences. Some of the public photos include one
of the bathroom that has a pink couch and a
phone and a portable inflatable massage table. Now this is interesting.
The prosecution moves to introduce exhibit fifty one to evidence,
which is a groom massage table, not an inflatable one,
and this is one of the massage tables allegedly that
you know, was used. So it's a very interesting admission
to the evidence. So that was exhibit fifty one that
wasn't sealed, so we were able to get a look
at that at least. Now, the witness goes in for
cross examination and Christian Everdell takes over and he goes
right after the alleged Alessi theft from Epstein by asking Parkinson.
After asking Parkinson if he responded to a burglary, that burglary,
burglary there, Parkinson affirms that that is the case. So
what that does is it confirms that Alessi wanted to
steal from Epstein, broke into the house, stole the money.
It confirms all of that by the police officer who
was attending the scene, attending the complaint. So again, trying
to paunch holes in the credibility, Everdell goes on to
say that Epstein reported that several thousand dollars had been stolen, right,
Parkinson responds that that is true as well. Most of
this portion of the testimony, like I said, as visual.
So there's not much to offer here. After some more
time of this witness, he's excused and the next witness,
Michael Dawson, one of the detectives who searched Epstein's residence,
hits the stand. Now this wasn't very long, but we
got some decent information out of here for sure. He
testified that they were searching for sex toys, massage tables,
messages sent or received, and any other material that might
be related to the warrant. Maureen Comy asked, what were
you looking for during the search. Dawson responds to this,
massage tables and oils, sex toys. There are a lot
of photos of nude females. We seized a phone book,
a massage table, photo of a nude female, a sex
toy called the Torpedo. So that's where they pretty much
stopped at for the day. Right There's the time was
running out. There's thirteen minutes left or so in the trial,
and instead of hammering at home, they're going to wait
till Monday to finish this testimony. But during the first
search of Epstein's house, they found a whole bunch of wacky,
weird shit, A whole bunch of wacky stuff. I mean,
there was a picture of Bill Clinton on the wall
in a blue dress and some red pumps. Pictures of
all kinds of naked people all over, obviously, pictures of
underage kids, underage girls, according to witnesses and people who
had been there. So they found a whole bunch of
wild stuff during that first raid of Jeffrey Epstein's house
when he was getting arrested the first time around, and
it was they had so much that they were prepared
to really really hammer this dude. And once his all
star lawyer team got involved, Gerald Lefkowitz, Alan Dershowitz, you know,
the whole crew, things changed real quick. So it's a
very fascinating story of disgustingness and horribleness and terrible dereliction
of duty by the authorities. And if you're not familiar
with how it all went down during the original I'm
gonna post some episodes over the weekend starting tonight that'll
give you more of an idea of the absolute travesty
that happened down in Palm Beach. So with that, folks,
we're gonna wrap it up for the weekend, and you know,
we'll be back this weekend Saturday and Sunday, I'll have
these context episodes rocking and rolling. But Monday morning we'll
hit the ground running, and one week closer to me
getting to New York right after the holidays, I'm on
a plane and I will be in New York for
probably the last oh I don't know. Ten days of
this trial or so, and we'll be able to get
a little more from inside the courtroom, hopefully, and I'll
be able to provide a more comprehensive look at what's
going on once I'm on the ground. But until then,
we'll be here every single day, same time, same format,
and keeping the flags of discontent waving. Folks. To all
of you who have joined the podcast recently, I appreciate
you all riding with me, and I hope that as
we move forward, those of you who might not have
known about this case, I hope that you see it
for what it really is, and I hope it pisses
you off, because it should. All Right, everybody, please enjoy
your weekend. If you're all going, if you're going out
tonight partying or whatever, please do it responsibly. Don't need
you know any car accidents or any of you making
any bad mistakes. So please, if you're gonna go out tonight,
have a great time, but do it safely. I want
you all back Monday. We have some criminals to see
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