WEBVTT 1 00:00:01.080 --> 00:00:02.960 How'd you like to listen to dot net rocks with 2 00:00:03.040 --> 00:00:07.879 no ads? Easy? Become a patron for just five dollars 3 00:00:07.919 --> 00:00:10.800 a month. You get access to a private RSS feed 4 00:00:10.839 --> 00:00:14.279 where all the shows have no ads. Twenty dollars a month, 5 00:00:14.279 --> 00:00:16.879 we'll get you that and a special dot net Rocks 6 00:00:16.960 --> 00:00:21.000 patron mug. Sign up now at Patreon dot dot NetRocks 7 00:00:21.120 --> 00:00:36.280 dot com. Hey, welcome back to dot net rocks. It's 8 00:00:36.359 --> 00:00:40.759 Carl Franklin and I'm Richard Cawell and wow, wow, wow, wow. 9 00:00:41.439 --> 00:00:43.719 It's been a while. Yeah, it's been a ride. 10 00:00:43.840 --> 00:00:46.600 It's been a holiday season. You know, we've done them things, 11 00:00:46.600 --> 00:00:47.960 so it all is well. 12 00:00:47.799 --> 00:00:51.920 Well, you know, it's it's been a good first month 13 00:00:52.079 --> 00:00:54.000 of the year, I think pretty much. 14 00:00:54.359 --> 00:00:57.320 I'm in London and you're not if I'm not doing 15 00:00:57.320 --> 00:00:58.240 the timeshofting aarage. 16 00:00:58.280 --> 00:01:01.159 Although two days after this come out, I will be 17 00:01:01.240 --> 00:01:04.599 going to a wine and food festival at Mohegan Sun 18 00:01:05.599 --> 00:01:08.000 where a lot of the chefs from the Food Network 19 00:01:08.000 --> 00:01:10.480 will be hanging out. Very nice, so I'm looking forward 20 00:01:10.519 --> 00:01:13.439 to Yeah, it'll be good. Abnombing with Food Royalty anyway. 21 00:01:13.680 --> 00:01:17.359 Isaac Levin is here talking about something called dev Box, 22 00:01:17.400 --> 00:01:21.120 but we'll get to that in a minute. First, we 23 00:01:21.200 --> 00:01:30.680 have better no framework, A man, what do you got? 24 00:01:30.760 --> 00:01:31.079 All right? 25 00:01:31.120 --> 00:01:34.840 Well, quickly, I wanted to announce my new YouTube show 26 00:01:35.560 --> 00:01:36.840 called Guitar Carl. 27 00:01:37.120 --> 00:01:38.920 Oh you are a guitar Carl. 28 00:01:39.159 --> 00:01:42.040 Yeah, and you know I've been playing since I did 29 00:01:42.040 --> 00:01:44.120 The Math since nineteen seventy seven. 30 00:01:44.200 --> 00:01:44.959 Yeah, it's been a while. 31 00:01:45.000 --> 00:01:47.280 Yeah, that's when I started playing, so almost fifty years. 32 00:01:48.359 --> 00:01:52.560 And geez, I just I got inspired because I was 33 00:01:52.599 --> 00:01:55.599 out playing a gig and this guy who had started 34 00:01:55.640 --> 00:01:59.079 guitar later in life, I think he's even retired now, 35 00:02:00.000 --> 00:02:02.920 when he started learning songs and playing them out and 36 00:02:02.959 --> 00:02:05.519 he was just asking me questions about, you know, how 37 00:02:05.560 --> 00:02:09.120 do you get over anxiety and imposter syndrome? And so 38 00:02:09.159 --> 00:02:11.400 we had this chat and I offered him some advice 39 00:02:11.439 --> 00:02:13.599 and he thought it was very very helpful, and I said, 40 00:02:13.639 --> 00:02:16.639 you know, maybe I had to do like a show. 41 00:02:17.120 --> 00:02:19.680 Well you know the things that I've learned about guitars 42 00:02:19.719 --> 00:02:23.719 and playing and sure all those things, because you know, 43 00:02:23.840 --> 00:02:26.520 we forget what we know. Yeah, And I think you're 44 00:02:26.520 --> 00:02:28.840 the one who told me that is that we have 45 00:02:28.879 --> 00:02:30.840 a tendency to assume that everybody knows. 46 00:02:30.639 --> 00:02:32.919 That we know. Yeah, yeah, we keep forgetting that that. No, 47 00:02:33.199 --> 00:02:34.360 that's harder and knowledge. 48 00:02:34.759 --> 00:02:36.639 Right. So the one thing I am not doing in 49 00:02:36.719 --> 00:02:41.360 this show is overplaying, like, you know, hitting you over 50 00:02:41.400 --> 00:02:44.080 the head with my guitar playing so that it makes 51 00:02:44.120 --> 00:02:47.280 you feel like why should I go on less then? 52 00:02:47.400 --> 00:02:51.159 Because I don't like that. I don't like when people do. Hey, 53 00:02:51.479 --> 00:02:54.360 just learn this magic formula and you two can be 54 00:02:54.400 --> 00:02:55.360 a rock star whatever. 55 00:02:55.560 --> 00:02:57.879 No, Yeah, what I learned from you is that you're 56 00:02:57.879 --> 00:03:01.719 a great guitar player for exactly one reason. Tons of practice, 57 00:03:01.879 --> 00:03:04.960 tons of practice, tons, right, I've watched you do it. 58 00:03:04.840 --> 00:03:07.159 So anyway, check that out. It's a just search YouTube 59 00:03:07.159 --> 00:03:11.719 for guitar Karl and there's a link too. And but 60 00:03:11.879 --> 00:03:16.319 before we move on, Richard, let's talk about nineteen thirty four. 61 00:03:16.560 --> 00:03:17.400 Well it's a good one. 62 00:03:17.479 --> 00:03:20.319 This is episode nineteen thirty four, and I went looking 63 00:03:20.360 --> 00:03:22.800 and we'll put the link to you know, take me 64 00:03:22.840 --> 00:03:28.560 back to Yeah, there was just so much that happened 65 00:03:28.599 --> 00:03:32.120 in nineteen thirty four. It's great that only I only 66 00:03:32.159 --> 00:03:34.919 got through three months and then I said, screw it, 67 00:03:34.960 --> 00:03:35.319 I can't. 68 00:03:35.560 --> 00:03:36.319 You just had to stop. 69 00:03:36.360 --> 00:03:39.000 I just had to stop. So that's why the link. 70 00:03:39.039 --> 00:03:43.159 But let me just summarize here. So Nazi Germany had 71 00:03:43.199 --> 00:03:46.439 its rise in nineteen thirty four. Thirty four was a 72 00:03:46.439 --> 00:03:47.919 big year. It was a big year. So they made 73 00:03:47.919 --> 00:03:50.560 it illegal for pastors and church officials to oppose the 74 00:03:50.639 --> 00:03:53.840 Nazi Party. Nice they abolished the Upper Chamber of the 75 00:03:53.840 --> 00:03:58.680 German Parliament, further dismantling their democratic institutions. They enacted a 76 00:03:58.719 --> 00:04:03.120 eugenics law to prevent genetically inferior offspring, and that kind 77 00:04:03.159 --> 00:04:06.439 of paved the way towards some of their other halacious 78 00:04:06.840 --> 00:04:12.560 things that they went through. An anti Semitic stage performance 79 00:04:12.639 --> 00:04:16.519 ban forbid Jews from performing on German stages. This is 80 00:04:16.519 --> 00:04:19.600 all nineteen thirty but this is all like January February 81 00:04:19.680 --> 00:04:26.079 rights Nazi Germany's military issued a discriminatory policy banning Jews 82 00:04:26.079 --> 00:04:30.639 from enlisting in the German military. Himmler consolidated police power 83 00:04:30.680 --> 00:04:35.959 in Nazi Germany, assuming complete command of all police forces 84 00:04:36.000 --> 00:04:39.879 in Germany, significantly expanding the centralized control and potential for 85 00:04:39.959 --> 00:04:45.279 state sponsored oppression. Moving on to Austria, it was the 86 00:04:45.319 --> 00:04:49.319 Austrian Civil War, short lived, but still it was there. 87 00:04:49.439 --> 00:04:54.800 Chancellor Engelbert Daulphuss dissolved. I don't know it was dissolved 88 00:04:54.800 --> 00:04:58.160 all political parties except his own right wing Fatherland Front. 89 00:04:58.360 --> 00:04:59.399 That's nice effect. 90 00:04:59.480 --> 00:05:02.319 Yeah, all other parties are illegal. 91 00:05:02.439 --> 00:05:03.279 You can have one party. 92 00:05:03.319 --> 00:05:08.480 Yeah, one party in Italy. Mussolini gave his famous sixty 93 00:05:08.560 --> 00:05:11.639 year Planned speech. That was on March eighteenth. And in 94 00:05:11.680 --> 00:05:16.120 some good news, Edwin Hubble discovered galaxy population. 95 00:05:16.560 --> 00:05:18.839 He made that great photograph. 96 00:05:18.360 --> 00:05:21.199 Yep, and that photograph revealed the number of galaxies in 97 00:05:21.240 --> 00:05:24.680 the Obserble universes comparable to the number of stars in 98 00:05:24.720 --> 00:05:25.560 the Milky Way. 99 00:05:25.720 --> 00:05:30.079 And he was underestimating. Yes, it's more. And that was 100 00:05:30.120 --> 00:05:32.639 all before April. Yeah, no kidding. 101 00:05:33.439 --> 00:05:36.639 So I encourage you to it's good to know history, 102 00:05:36.680 --> 00:05:39.079 and just go take a look through those events that 103 00:05:39.079 --> 00:05:39.959 happened in nineteen three. 104 00:05:40.000 --> 00:05:41.720 Look at a year each week as we do. 105 00:05:41.920 --> 00:05:44.199 Yeah, you have anything to add, Richard, throw. 106 00:05:44.040 --> 00:05:46.639 In a couple. One is this is the year that 107 00:05:46.680 --> 00:05:49.319 the ham And organ was patented. Wow, got to do 108 00:05:49.360 --> 00:05:50.720 a music one, you know, Yeah. 109 00:05:50.759 --> 00:05:53.639 Wow. Mother's Day. The first Mother's Day was in nineteen three. 110 00:05:53.720 --> 00:05:57.480 Yeh, this is when the dust storms began, the giant 111 00:05:57.519 --> 00:05:59.759 dust storms. It was a two day dust storm across 112 00:05:59.759 --> 00:06:03.720 the West, such fine dust that it penetrated absolutely everything 113 00:06:03.759 --> 00:06:05.839 coded everything with dust, and the dust went up in 114 00:06:05.839 --> 00:06:09.519 the atmosphere and stayed there. It snowed red snow in 115 00:06:09.800 --> 00:06:13.160 New England that winter. The dust storm was in the summer. 116 00:06:13.319 --> 00:06:14.120 That is crazy. 117 00:06:14.199 --> 00:06:17.800 And I'll end with a fun one. The game Monopoly 118 00:06:18.040 --> 00:06:22.879 was created in nineteen thirty Oh wow wow, which was 119 00:06:22.920 --> 00:06:27.240 an indictment about concentration of wealth. The game, Yeah, that's right. 120 00:06:27.319 --> 00:06:29.920 It was actually a cautionary game, wasn't it. That's right, 121 00:06:29.959 --> 00:06:34.879 and it was stolen and turned into a capitalistic celebration. 122 00:06:35.639 --> 00:06:38.279 So that's what I got. Richard, who's talking to us today. 123 00:06:38.040 --> 00:06:40.920 Grabbing coppin tov our show eighteen thirteen, the one we 124 00:06:41.000 --> 00:06:43.399 did with one Isaac Levin maybe've heard of him m 125 00:06:44.199 --> 00:06:47.720 talking about developing on developing dot net on AWS. This 126 00:06:47.839 --> 00:06:50.560 is back in twenty two, so a couple of years back. 127 00:06:51.120 --> 00:06:53.680 And Aaron Morgan had this great comment again two years old, 128 00:06:53.680 --> 00:06:56.720 this great show. Guys really loved Isaac's knowledge of AWS 129 00:06:56.720 --> 00:06:59.680 and Azure and his ability to communicate the ins and 130 00:06:59.720 --> 00:07:03.800 outs without over complicating things. So Coffee and open Source 131 00:07:03.959 --> 00:07:08.680 has a new subscriber, and that's Isaac's podcasts. Yeah, so 132 00:07:08.800 --> 00:07:10.759 I'll include I link in the show notes for that 133 00:07:10.839 --> 00:07:12.680 if you want to catch it. The first thing I 134 00:07:12.680 --> 00:07:13.959 did was go check to see if you still go 135 00:07:14.000 --> 00:07:18.839 on Isaac, because I know it's hard, but still do it. 136 00:07:18.879 --> 00:07:21.600 The thing I did one this morning earlier today. 137 00:07:21.680 --> 00:07:24.920 Yeah, Hey, we did too, how about that? Yeah, and 138 00:07:24.959 --> 00:07:27.240 I've done one, So Aaron, thank you so much for 139 00:07:27.319 --> 00:07:28.959 your comment, and a copy of music go ba is 140 00:07:29.000 --> 00:07:30.240 on its way to you. And if you'd like a 141 00:07:30.319 --> 00:07:31.920 copy of music, Cobey, I read a comment on the 142 00:07:31.920 --> 00:07:34.319 website at dot NetRocks dot com or on the facebooks. 143 00:07:34.319 --> 00:07:36.439 We publish every show there and if you comment there 144 00:07:36.439 --> 00:07:37.639 and every did on the show, we'll send you a 145 00:07:37.639 --> 00:07:38.519 copy of music go by. 146 00:07:38.720 --> 00:07:41.360 And you can definitely follow us on social media to 147 00:07:41.399 --> 00:07:43.879 get a copy of music to codey. We've been on 148 00:07:44.000 --> 00:07:49.399 ex Twitter forever and we're also on mastadon and on 149 00:07:49.480 --> 00:07:53.000 blue Sky and some form of at Carl Franklin and 150 00:07:53.000 --> 00:07:57.079 at Rich Campbell you can find us. So with that, 151 00:07:57.360 --> 00:08:00.600 let us bring back to dot net ry our friend 152 00:08:00.639 --> 00:08:05.279 Isaac Levin. He is a now a developer advocate as 153 00:08:05.319 --> 00:08:09.040 well as a Microsoft MVP. He has over ten years 154 00:08:09.040 --> 00:08:11.920 of experience working as a developer for the web, mostly 155 00:08:11.920 --> 00:08:15.920 a Microsoft ecosystem. Outside of work, he hosts a podcast 156 00:08:15.959 --> 00:08:19.319 called Coffee and open Source, where he interviews folks from 157 00:08:19.319 --> 00:08:22.399 across the tech industry, as well as building open source 158 00:08:22.439 --> 00:08:27.319 projects like presence Light and GitHub stat Tracker. He lives 159 00:08:27.319 --> 00:08:29.680 outside of Seattle, Washington, and likes to wind down from 160 00:08:29.720 --> 00:08:32.360 work with his wife, Ariana and his two children, Isaac 161 00:08:32.679 --> 00:08:34.639 and Avery. Welcome back. 162 00:08:34.840 --> 00:08:37.200 Thank you for having me. Before we get started, I 163 00:08:37.240 --> 00:08:41.639 had because I'm a valid listener. I came up with 164 00:08:41.679 --> 00:08:44.159 some also cool things from nineteen thirty four if you 165 00:08:44.159 --> 00:08:48.759 don't mind cool ooh, yes, yeah, so's a big year. Yeah, 166 00:08:48.799 --> 00:08:54.759 well January first, a little facility called Alcatraz is opened 167 00:08:54.840 --> 00:08:55.480 for the first time. 168 00:08:56.159 --> 00:08:56.639 Wow. 169 00:08:57.320 --> 00:08:59.840 Also, if you're a baseball fan, big year in baseball, 170 00:09:00.120 --> 00:09:03.399 Babe Ruth and Nautra's retirement, and the Yankees had a 171 00:09:03.440 --> 00:09:05.720 player called up named Joe DiMaggio. 172 00:09:06.039 --> 00:09:09.120 Nope, so I think there was a fire in Fenway Park. 173 00:09:09.240 --> 00:09:10.080 Wasn't there? Also? 174 00:09:10.240 --> 00:09:11.240 There was there was? 175 00:09:11.320 --> 00:09:11.519 Yep? 176 00:09:11.639 --> 00:09:15.320 Yeah, yeah, no, yeah, again, thank you so much for 177 00:09:15.360 --> 00:09:17.320 having me. It's great to be here. 178 00:09:17.559 --> 00:09:18.320 Great to have you again. 179 00:09:18.399 --> 00:09:19.440 Always get to talk to you, Brod. 180 00:09:19.600 --> 00:09:21.639 Last time we talked to you at Amazon, Right, that 181 00:09:21.759 --> 00:09:25.279 was correct? Dang aws stuff. Ye, and you've moved on. 182 00:09:25.360 --> 00:09:26.159 So are you're independent? 183 00:09:26.159 --> 00:09:26.320 Now? 184 00:09:26.320 --> 00:09:28.360 You work for Microsoft? Exactly where are you? 185 00:09:28.639 --> 00:09:32.240 Yeah? So I'm I am a contractor, I mean vendor 186 00:09:32.279 --> 00:09:38.399 at Microsoft, focusing primarily on developer marketing, specifically around all 187 00:09:38.480 --> 00:09:40.639 the things that Microsoft talks about these days, get a 188 00:09:40.639 --> 00:09:46.000 co pilot, dev box, visual studio vs. Code AI, all 189 00:09:46.039 --> 00:09:46.600 the fun. 190 00:09:46.399 --> 00:09:49.200 Things, you know. After I became an MVP, every year 191 00:09:49.240 --> 00:09:51.639 i'd get a dev box in the mail. Is that 192 00:09:51.960 --> 00:09:54.759 what we're talking That's what we're talking about here, right, Yeah? Yeah, yeah, 193 00:09:54.799 --> 00:09:57.919 the dev box. Yeah. No, I have to admit this 194 00:09:57.960 --> 00:10:00.200 is so new. I didn't I hadn't heard about it, 195 00:10:00.279 --> 00:10:02.279 and then I went out and took a look at it, 196 00:10:02.279 --> 00:10:04.759 and I looked at the website and I still don't 197 00:10:04.799 --> 00:10:05.320 know what it is. 198 00:10:05.840 --> 00:10:09.559 So fair enough, fair enough, it's like. 199 00:10:09.519 --> 00:10:13.159 Some cloud service for managing development teams in the cloud. 200 00:10:13.279 --> 00:10:17.919 Yeah, let me So. I've been doing this for a while, 201 00:10:18.679 --> 00:10:22.320 not as long as you folks, but I remember a 202 00:10:22.399 --> 00:10:26.039 very particular point in time when you didn't really do 203 00:10:26.080 --> 00:10:29.559 any development on your machine. You had vms right that 204 00:10:29.639 --> 00:10:32.360 had very specific things, right like that was a development 205 00:10:33.000 --> 00:10:36.000 uh and a way of managing developer teams is that 206 00:10:36.000 --> 00:10:38.639 you'd have VMS and then that VM maybe had this 207 00:10:38.799 --> 00:10:40.879 app on it, and you'd have like maybe two or 208 00:10:40.879 --> 00:10:44.399 three or four vms, right, and whether they were local 209 00:10:44.519 --> 00:10:47.879 on your machine or hosted somewhere like internally at your 210 00:10:48.000 --> 00:10:51.200 company didn't really matter. So what I like to think 211 00:10:51.240 --> 00:10:54.639 of when I think about Microsoft dev Box is that 212 00:10:55.440 --> 00:10:58.120 but based in the cloud. Uh, there's a whole lot 213 00:10:58.159 --> 00:11:00.240 of other things that come for the ride as well. 214 00:11:00.279 --> 00:11:03.080 But I think if you're if you've been developing for 215 00:11:03.120 --> 00:11:07.200 a while, you remember remoting into VMS to do your 216 00:11:07.200 --> 00:11:09.600 developer work. Sure, sure, yeah, so just think of it 217 00:11:09.639 --> 00:11:12.480 as that, but you get access to a bunch of 218 00:11:12.519 --> 00:11:14.159 other stuff, and I'm as we'll talk about some of 219 00:11:14.200 --> 00:11:15.279 that throughout this conversation. 220 00:11:15.360 --> 00:11:18.480 Yeah, it's kind of nice to have a dedicated machine 221 00:11:18.600 --> 00:11:21.679 for dev that you can access anywhere. Anytime you have 222 00:11:21.759 --> 00:11:25.120 to reinstall Windows, anytime you have to get a new 223 00:11:25.200 --> 00:11:29.960 laptop or whatever. It's it's just another thing that you 224 00:11:30.039 --> 00:11:32.919 have to install all this stuff. Yeah, I mean third 225 00:11:32.960 --> 00:11:35.559 party tools, everything I've you. 226 00:11:35.480 --> 00:11:37.840 Know, I've switched jobs a few times. I've switched jobs 227 00:11:37.879 --> 00:11:39.759 since the last time I spoke with you folks, Right, 228 00:11:39.840 --> 00:11:44.200 so creating a like getting the machine to your happy 229 00:11:44.240 --> 00:11:47.759 place can be challenging. It's gotten a lot better, right Like, 230 00:11:47.799 --> 00:11:51.080 there are things like wind get, DSc and all sorts 231 00:11:51.120 --> 00:11:53.240 of cool things to be able to get you to 232 00:11:53.279 --> 00:11:56.320 where you want. But you still got to do all 233 00:11:56.320 --> 00:11:59.039 the Windows updates, make sure all the software is installed, 234 00:11:59.200 --> 00:12:03.159 make sure you're setupnd like, this is something that you know. 235 00:12:03.320 --> 00:12:06.480 It can take days, if not weeks. Yeah, no for 236 00:12:06.639 --> 00:12:07.879 non sophisticated teams to do. 237 00:12:08.000 --> 00:12:10.799 Right start organizations where they brought a new developer and 238 00:12:10.919 --> 00:12:12.480 it was two weeks before they could check in a 239 00:12:12.480 --> 00:12:13.200 piece of code. 240 00:12:13.399 --> 00:12:14.000 Yeah yeah. 241 00:12:14.200 --> 00:12:16.720 And with dev box, the goal is to kind of 242 00:12:16.759 --> 00:12:19.639 streamline that, like in a self service manner. So, for instance, 243 00:12:19.639 --> 00:12:21.559 I need dev box. There's a developer portal that I 244 00:12:21.559 --> 00:12:24.279 can go to. I literally click create dev box with 245 00:12:24.320 --> 00:12:28.159 some specifications that are defined by my team, and how 246 00:12:28.240 --> 00:12:31.639 over long it takes to provision that resource. I'm able 247 00:12:31.679 --> 00:12:34.279 to then connect to it via the Windows app via 248 00:12:34.440 --> 00:12:36.559 Bastion and the browser via RDP. 249 00:12:36.879 --> 00:12:39.639 You just said it, You said it. The Windows app 250 00:12:39.639 --> 00:12:46.120 probably the most ubiquitous and mysterious and non specific term 251 00:12:46.360 --> 00:12:50.559 for a new product. Sure, the Windows App. Yeah, now, 252 00:12:50.600 --> 00:12:53.159 I kind of think of this as just like an 253 00:12:53.240 --> 00:12:54.120 RDP client. 254 00:12:54.360 --> 00:12:58.240 It's similar, right, So I think what's cool about it 255 00:12:58.279 --> 00:13:01.639 is that it gives you in the RDP client, it 256 00:13:01.639 --> 00:13:05.440 gives you a lot of flexibility. But it's it's a 257 00:13:05.480 --> 00:13:07.840 bit behind the times, Like I don't remember when the 258 00:13:08.159 --> 00:13:10.080 like the last time the UI for it was was 259 00:13:10.159 --> 00:13:14.200 updated for it. Yes, but what the Windows app does 260 00:13:14.320 --> 00:13:16.960 It provides basically a single point of entry for all 261 00:13:17.000 --> 00:13:21.960 of your quote unquote like remote things. So like if 262 00:13:21.960 --> 00:13:24.919 you have other VDI services that you might take advantage of, 263 00:13:25.039 --> 00:13:27.879 like Windows sixty five or as your virtual desktop, you 264 00:13:27.879 --> 00:13:30.159 can connect to those it also you can run it 265 00:13:30.200 --> 00:13:31.919 on other platforms, not just Windows. 266 00:13:32.080 --> 00:13:32.279 Yeah. 267 00:13:32.360 --> 00:13:34.679 So I think it's one of those things where you know, 268 00:13:34.960 --> 00:13:38.720 it's it's bringing a similar concept but to a new world. 269 00:13:38.799 --> 00:13:42.080 I guess you could say, and is it more integrated 270 00:13:42.080 --> 00:13:44.240 with Windows? I guess what I'm saying, is there more 271 00:13:44.279 --> 00:13:47.399 stuff that you can do through the Windows app that 272 00:13:47.440 --> 00:13:49.159 you can't do through an RDP client. 273 00:13:49.279 --> 00:13:53.559 I think it's a it's a bit it's definitely more straightforward, right, 274 00:13:54.039 --> 00:13:56.960 Like you can also create these things through dev hoome, 275 00:13:57.000 --> 00:14:00.159 which connects to Windows App. Uh, you know it it's 276 00:14:00.159 --> 00:14:02.480 one of those things where it just gives you a 277 00:14:02.519 --> 00:14:05.720 better pane of glass. It's also thinking. So what was 278 00:14:05.759 --> 00:14:07.960 it called RDC man does it do you folks? 279 00:14:08.000 --> 00:14:09.000 Remember that where you. 280 00:14:09.000 --> 00:14:10.200 Can manage like a bunch of them. 281 00:14:11.120 --> 00:14:11.879 Yeah, yeah, to day. 282 00:14:12.000 --> 00:14:16.399 So like for instance, the Windows App, regardless of what 283 00:14:16.519 --> 00:14:18.799 sort of service it is, it's all available for you 284 00:14:18.799 --> 00:14:20.519 in one single pane of glass too. So if you 285 00:14:20.559 --> 00:14:23.639 have like five or six step boxes, it's literally just 286 00:14:23.720 --> 00:14:26.039 a grid or a card system and you can connect 287 00:14:26.039 --> 00:14:29.200 to them, you can manage them, you can change settings. 288 00:14:28.840 --> 00:14:31.879 For them, so it's not just a drop down correct. 289 00:14:31.720 --> 00:14:35.120 Where you put in like an arbitrary IP address right 290 00:14:35.399 --> 00:14:38.240 or if you're fancy a host name right. You can 291 00:14:38.279 --> 00:14:39.720 also do things like you could do this in our 292 00:14:40.000 --> 00:14:42.799 in like the traditional like RDP tool as well, but 293 00:14:42.840 --> 00:14:46.200 can figure like multi moder support and in other things 294 00:14:46.240 --> 00:14:48.200 just to make your life as a developer a bit better. 295 00:14:48.279 --> 00:14:50.799 Yeah, okay, all right, so all of this, and this 296 00:14:50.879 --> 00:14:54.399 is different from Windows Terminal, which is more about PowerShell 297 00:14:54.440 --> 00:14:57.440 and SSH yeah and that kind of thing. This is, 298 00:14:57.960 --> 00:15:01.080 I mean, RDP is one of the things that Windows 299 00:15:01.120 --> 00:15:04.000 app does, yes, but it does a bunch of other 300 00:15:04.039 --> 00:15:07.159 things as well, it's about all to do with remote connections, yep. 301 00:15:07.399 --> 00:15:08.279 So what else does it do? 302 00:15:08.440 --> 00:15:09.879 What else is Windows app do? Or what else is 303 00:15:09.879 --> 00:15:10.360 death box do? 304 00:15:10.440 --> 00:15:10.639 Yeah? 305 00:15:10.639 --> 00:15:12.919 What else does Windows app do? And then we'll get 306 00:15:12.919 --> 00:15:13.639 back to debt box. 307 00:15:14.519 --> 00:15:18.000 Yeah, So like being able to I think one of 308 00:15:18.000 --> 00:15:22.480 the things that's also interesting is just the ability to 309 00:15:22.519 --> 00:15:25.639 create groups, so like you can specify like a these 310 00:15:25.639 --> 00:15:28.200 are the specific Basically, just think of it as a 311 00:15:28.200 --> 00:15:33.679 management utility for remote for remote connections, Carl. So it's 312 00:15:33.799 --> 00:15:36.279 you know, and it sinks with all of the other 313 00:15:36.440 --> 00:15:40.480 like developer productivity services that exist for Windows, like you know, 314 00:15:40.559 --> 00:15:44.360 Richard mentioned terminal, there's also dev home, there's also dev drive, 315 00:15:44.600 --> 00:15:46.799 so all these things are kind of seamlessly connected and 316 00:15:46.840 --> 00:15:48.080 kind of managed by the looking of team. 317 00:15:48.120 --> 00:15:48.519 All right. 318 00:15:48.639 --> 00:15:52.159 So yeah, and it's also available on all the platforms 319 00:15:52.200 --> 00:15:55.200 Like rdpm app was only for Windows, but wind app 320 00:15:55.279 --> 00:15:58.200 is on a Mac and Android and you name it. 321 00:15:58.639 --> 00:16:02.000 Yeah, I believe, yeah, believe it's I believe it's. Yeah, 322 00:16:02.000 --> 00:16:06.759 it's available for Android, iPhone, Windows. I'm not sure if 323 00:16:06.759 --> 00:16:09.519 there's a Linux client, so don't don't quote me on that. 324 00:16:09.799 --> 00:16:13.200 But again, it just gives you the ability also like 325 00:16:13.240 --> 00:16:15.559 web browser stuff too, Like you could do it via 326 00:16:15.720 --> 00:16:18.080 like using Bastion in the browser, which is which is 327 00:16:18.080 --> 00:16:20.159 a pretty cool thing to Oh and I just looked 328 00:16:20.200 --> 00:16:23.960 at the website metaquest VR headset. If you want to 329 00:16:24.000 --> 00:16:24.360 do that. 330 00:16:24.279 --> 00:16:27.559 Too, that's something you want to do, Okay. I mean 331 00:16:27.559 --> 00:16:29.679 I'm also looking at this from a security perspective that 332 00:16:29.840 --> 00:16:31.960 now I don't if I got a work from Homer, 333 00:16:32.480 --> 00:16:34.039 I don't have to have them have a whole deb 334 00:16:34.120 --> 00:16:37.919 environment on their machine anymore. They just they only need 335 00:16:37.919 --> 00:16:40.279 a front end basically to call into a dev box 336 00:16:40.320 --> 00:16:41.200 that I have control over. 337 00:16:41.399 --> 00:16:41.559 Yeah. 338 00:16:41.600 --> 00:16:43.440 I think one of the things too, would be helpful 339 00:16:43.519 --> 00:16:46.639 to talk about is like who are the different kind 340 00:16:46.679 --> 00:16:49.720 of customers for dev box? Sure, because I think that 341 00:16:49.759 --> 00:16:52.279 there's some value there. Like the end customer obviously is 342 00:16:52.279 --> 00:16:54.960 the developer who's using the portal to create these things, right, 343 00:16:55.399 --> 00:16:59.039 But if you're an organization, more than likely you just 344 00:16:59.120 --> 00:17:02.559 don't give developers like, hey, here you go, just go 345 00:17:02.600 --> 00:17:05.039 and create this thing and install whatever software on there 346 00:17:05.119 --> 00:17:07.920 and all of that sort of stuff. Like there's some 347 00:17:07.960 --> 00:17:10.799 management to it, right, So if you're in it, or 348 00:17:10.839 --> 00:17:14.039 if you're in OPS or quote unquote platform engineering, like 349 00:17:14.079 --> 00:17:16.359 the ability to put these guardrails on these systems to 350 00:17:16.400 --> 00:17:19.359 be able to say, oh, we have connected to intunes, 351 00:17:19.359 --> 00:17:22.319 so we have endpoint security, like that's provided by default, 352 00:17:23.359 --> 00:17:26.680 the ability to you know, configure network isolations, so like 353 00:17:26.720 --> 00:17:31.640 these particular dev boxes don't have access to certain resources, right. 354 00:17:33.000 --> 00:17:35.680 Also there's some cool things around like not being able 355 00:17:35.759 --> 00:17:39.400 to like take screenshots of dev box, which is kind 356 00:17:39.400 --> 00:17:41.680 of a which is an interesting thing as well, for 357 00:17:41.759 --> 00:17:44.440 like the extra level of security, right, So like that's 358 00:17:44.480 --> 00:17:49.240 like the platform like OPS Systems administrator sort of lens, right, 359 00:17:49.480 --> 00:17:51.640 and then you have like this developer lead lens. Like 360 00:17:52.200 --> 00:17:54.279 think about it like this, Like I'm a developer lead, 361 00:17:54.319 --> 00:17:57.039 I'm a manager. You know, we have four or five 362 00:17:57.079 --> 00:17:59.480 different projects that we're running at any particular point in time, 363 00:17:59.519 --> 00:18:02.000 and I need to kind of ensure that my developers 364 00:18:02.039 --> 00:18:06.319 are delivering code as quickly as possible and as efficiently 365 00:18:06.359 --> 00:18:10.440 as possible. So the ability to define the environments that 366 00:18:10.559 --> 00:18:14.559 these that these developers are creating is really valuable too. 367 00:18:14.839 --> 00:18:18.000 So taking advantage of things like customization, so like hey, 368 00:18:18.039 --> 00:18:21.359 maybe I want this suite of software on the machine. 369 00:18:21.440 --> 00:18:24.119 Right when we get going, I can create base images 370 00:18:24.160 --> 00:18:27.279 off of that I can then type into things like 371 00:18:27.400 --> 00:18:29.640 making sure that I have the latest extensions and sold 372 00:18:29.640 --> 00:18:33.039 for vs code or visual Studio, making sure that caching 373 00:18:33.119 --> 00:18:35.519 is set up, like all of those things are done 374 00:18:35.559 --> 00:18:37.960 for me as well with dev box. And then obviously 375 00:18:38.039 --> 00:18:41.039 is the end user, Like I literally choose my project 376 00:18:41.039 --> 00:18:43.359 that I want, It shows me what the SKU is 377 00:18:43.400 --> 00:18:44.880 going to be. It shows me where the region is 378 00:18:44.880 --> 00:18:47.079 going to be of that particular remote compute, and then 379 00:18:47.119 --> 00:18:49.359 I could create and then after spread time, I can 380 00:18:49.400 --> 00:18:52.400 just connect to it and then it's like it was there, 381 00:18:52.559 --> 00:18:53.599 which I think is pretty cool. 382 00:18:53.799 --> 00:18:55.480 Right. So I think the question that's on a lot 383 00:18:55.480 --> 00:18:59.319 of people's mind is, yeah, what's the difference between I mean, 384 00:18:59.400 --> 00:19:02.440 is the f box and Windows App going to now 385 00:19:02.559 --> 00:19:07.359 be applicable for environments other than developer environments that are 386 00:19:07.400 --> 00:19:09.720 sort of just like client vms and the cloud. Like 387 00:19:09.759 --> 00:19:12.160 we have an Azure now that we use RDP for 388 00:19:12.680 --> 00:19:16.200 and by the same the inversion of that is, would 389 00:19:16.240 --> 00:19:18.519 we maybe use the Windows app to connect to our 390 00:19:18.559 --> 00:19:19.960 existing vms. Yeah. 391 00:19:19.960 --> 00:19:23.519 So Windows App actually supports like all of the different 392 00:19:23.640 --> 00:19:26.720 remote services for like a remote desktop, So it supports 393 00:19:26.720 --> 00:19:30.960 azrovirsual desktop, it supports dev box, Windows sixty five Remote 394 00:19:30.960 --> 00:19:33.880 PC remote desktop services, right, So it supports all of 395 00:19:33.920 --> 00:19:35.799 those things already the Windows app does. 396 00:19:35.960 --> 00:19:38.160 So it's really the new RDP client that we should 397 00:19:38.480 --> 00:19:39.160 think about using. 398 00:19:39.279 --> 00:19:41.319 Yeah, yeah, think about it like that, right, with a 399 00:19:41.440 --> 00:19:44.359 with a with a more fluent looking UI and a 400 00:19:44.400 --> 00:19:47.000 management utility built into it instead, like you said, just 401 00:19:47.000 --> 00:19:47.720