Speaker 1: Erica didn't choose this man. She didn't choose this.
Speaker 2: Imagine sitting there in your house and you find out
Speaker 2: from Twitter or I don't know, a text or a
Speaker 2: phone call or at your husband was just shot in
Speaker 2: the neck for the entire world to see on social
Speaker 2: media at a public, public event. I can't imagine that.
Speaker 2: I know you can't either. Then you got to go
Speaker 2: through this, and you got a bunch of absolute lunatics
Speaker 2: sending her emails. You did it, comments, tweets, Fuck you,
Speaker 2: fuck you, go fuck yourself, you demonic, fucking scum.
Speaker 3: Imagine if you had spent years as a professional political
Speaker 3: commentator saying that there was something really, really big, incredibly
Speaker 3: nefarious at the heart at the core of the Epstein files,
Speaker 3: and then using that platform to popularize yourself, to get
Speaker 3: yourself into the position to be the deputy director of
Speaker 3: the f and have the power to go after those
Speaker 3: people in those files, and then doing nothing about it,
Speaker 3: gas lighting your audience about it, and then having the
Speaker 3: audacity to come out and to condemn Candace Owens because
Speaker 3: she doesn't believe the narrative about how her friend was
Speaker 3: murdered in front of all of our eyes and mind you.
Speaker 3: Part of the reason she doesn't believe that narrative is because,
Speaker 3: in part that investigation has been at least discussed at
Speaker 3: length by your former boss, Cash Patel, who has demonstrated
Speaker 3: time and time again that he is a disreputable, dishonest
Speaker 3: human being, and yet you're going to condemn her. I'll
Speaker 3: tell you my read of it was that Dan Bongino
Speaker 3: was using his defense of Erica Kirk to actually scream
Speaker 3: at and curse out his detractors, the people who haven't
Speaker 3: fallen for his bullshit. Moving forward, and why is Candace
Speaker 3: Owens once again in the crossairs of a cancellation mob,
Speaker 3: A highly paid, a highly orchestrated, highly organized cancelation mob,
Speaker 3: in my opinion, Well, because she dropped a trailer yesterday
Speaker 3: where she's going to be doing a series on the
Speaker 3: background of Erica Kirk.
Speaker 4: President Trump says that Kirk has died after he was
Speaker 4: shot from a nearby building after.
Speaker 3: Being shot at Utah Valley University.
Speaker 4: The great and even legendary Charlie Kirk is dead.
Speaker 5: The cries of this widow will echo around the world
Speaker 5: like a battle cry.
Speaker 6: Everyone believes differently, so if someone's acting weird don't read
Speaker 6: into that.
Speaker 7: Zionists, the Prime Minister of Israel all lied through their
Speaker 7: teeth about Charlie kirk.
Speaker 6: Kerr operation was in Constanta, the epicenter of Romania's trafficking scandal.
Speaker 5: We are in conversations that have with a fifteen year
Speaker 5: old I'm gonna touch your butt.
Speaker 7: Eight point six million dollars to their own shell company.
Speaker 8: What is going on in Upendheid? Tell me never do
Speaker 8: something that you don't want on the front page of
Speaker 8: a newspaper.
Speaker 3: And before I give you my opinion on that series
Speaker 3: and the work that Candas Owns is doing, let's just
Speaker 3: go through some of these attack at Graham Allen says
Speaker 3: that he's convinced Candas Owns is a demon. I'm not
Speaker 3: so sure if Candiss Owns is merely a demon. I
Speaker 3: think the devil gave her blah blah blah. Steve Dee
Speaker 3: says what Candis Owns is doing is the most wicked
Speaker 3: and satanic thing that has ever come from the online right.
Speaker 3: Catt says, just so you know, Candias Owens is pure evil.
Speaker 3: She's a demon straight from the bowels of hell. Natalie Jane,
Speaker 3: I don't know Candas Owns is a demon from the
Speaker 3: pit of hell on han shanity. Candis owns is a
Speaker 3: genuine demon. I got three Engelman. Whether you are a
Speaker 3: Cannis fan or not, this is evil. And of course
Speaker 3: James Lindsay piles on saying Candas is evil. So I
Speaker 3: think that there might be a talking point that's been released.
Speaker 3: Call me crazy, but when everybody starts calling her an
Speaker 3: evil demon, demonish evil, evil demon, demon, demon evil, I
Speaker 3: think there might be a talking point that went out.
Speaker 1: Here's that's the.
Speaker 9: Truth that no one has ever wanted to say for
Speaker 9: the entirety of the past decade, and that is Candace
Speaker 9: Owans has This is the biggest kept secret inside the
Speaker 9: conservative movement.
Speaker 1: Candace Owens has been the biggest thorn in the side.
Speaker 9: Diva absolute nightmare, wrecking ball to the entire conservative movement
Speaker 9: behind the scenes for the past decade.
Speaker 1: That's the truth.
Speaker 3: That's Graham Allen, a person I've never heard of, obviously
Speaker 3: letting the cat out of the bag that Candice Owens
Speaker 3: has been a real problem for kan Ink. Yeah, we know, Well,
Speaker 3: that's why we like her so much.
Speaker 10: Candace Owens, as you may have heard me refer at
Speaker 10: the top of the show, is an evil, twisted human being.
Speaker 11: Now.
Speaker 10: The reason I say that today is because Candace has
Speaker 10: spent the last several months attacking the widow of Charlie Kirk,
Speaker 10: Erica Kirk. It took her just a few two days
Speaker 10: after Charlie's sick murder in order to start casting aspersions
Speaker 10: at Turning Point, USA. People who work there all the
Speaker 10: way up to the highest levels, up to and including
Speaker 10: Erica Kurrent.
Speaker 3: And Shapiro obviously calls her an evil twisted human being
Speaker 3: and his I think former boss Jeremy Boring had this
Speaker 3: to say.
Speaker 1: JD.
Speaker 5: Vance is a unique figure in my lifetime in American
Speaker 5: politics because he is he plays it incredibly close. I
Speaker 5: don't know and I think very few people know what jdvans,
Speaker 5: what his actual political north start is. Tucker Carlson claims
Speaker 5: him when he says Marjorie Taylor Green, JD. Vance and
Speaker 5: I will change the foreign policy or can change the
Speaker 5: foreign policy of this country. That's one side claiming JD Vance.
Speaker 5: Did they actually have a claim on Jdvance. I don't
Speaker 5: know that they do. One has to look at the
Speaker 5: fact that JD has apparently a very close relationship with Tucker,
Speaker 5: that he has not repudiated Tucker as Tucker's rhetoric has
Speaker 5: gotten more and more and more outside of any traditional
Speaker 5: American conservatism, and ask themselves why does JD remain so
Speaker 5: close to Tucker?
Speaker 7: So?
Speaker 3: Now, why would I end this with a clip of
Speaker 3: Jeremy Boring talking about Tucker Carlson and his relationship to JD.
Speaker 3: Vance and whether or not JD Vance is actually part
Speaker 3: of Tucker Carlson's political project. Well, the reason I'm playing
Speaker 3: these and they may seem as if they're disconnected, is
Speaker 3: that this is all the same fight. This is all
Speaker 3: the same proxy war. If you look at all of
Speaker 3: those people who are attacking Candie Owns, like literally all
Speaker 3: of them, what do they all have in common. They've
Speaker 3: got a couple differences of opinion on certain topics, domestic policy,
Speaker 3: things of that nature, But when it comes to our
Speaker 3: greatest ally and making sure that Israel is always a
Speaker 3: top priority, they all agree. Interesting interesting symmetry there, right,
Speaker 3: And the truth is that the smear merchants, the paid
Speaker 3: for propagandists who have been attacking Tucker Carlson are also
Speaker 3: smear merchants being paid for to attack Candie Owans. And
Speaker 3: the reason I believe that is because no two people
Speaker 3: have done more damage to US Israeli relations over the
Speaker 3: past couple years on the right wing than those two,
Speaker 3: and it's really not even close. So are they all
Speaker 3: marshaling their forces and having the exact same talking points
Speaker 3: at the exact same time because they're genuinely just standing
Speaker 3: up for Erica Kirk, who most of them probably never
Speaker 3: even met or knew, Or is it more probable that
Speaker 3: this is just another attack vector by which they might
Speaker 3: be able to smear and hopefully get people to stop
Speaker 3: paying attention to Candis Owans and Tucker Carlson. I would
Speaker 3: argue it's clearly the latter now. Setting that aside, which
Speaker 3: I think is the real major story behind all this
Speaker 3: is that this is a proxy war over foreign policy,
Speaker 3: really and sovereignty. I'm of two minds on what Candie
Speaker 3: Owans is doing with this expose series about Erica Kirk.
Speaker 3: I've seen more than enough to be convinced that Erica
Speaker 3: Kirk has not been forthright or fully honest on multiple
Speaker 3: occasions over the past six months since her husband was assassinated.
Speaker 1: That's just a fact.
Speaker 3: And seeing as she stepped in to be the CEO
Speaker 3: of turning Point USA. Certainly she deserves additional scrutiny that
Speaker 3: would I would be very cautious about ever levying against
Speaker 3: a widow. All that being said, I have not seen
Speaker 3: evidence that is even close to a smoking gun as
Speaker 3: to her having foreknowledge or as to her being a
Speaker 3: participant in a plot to take out her husband. And
Speaker 3: for that reason, I have not participated in the attacks
Speaker 3: against her other than doing I think one episode about
Speaker 3: her ever. And the reason for that is despite the
Speaker 3: fact that that was the most viewed episode I've ever
Speaker 3: done eight hundred thousand views. Basically every other YouTuber on Earth,
Speaker 3: if they were to have their biggest episode to ever
Speaker 3: do almost a million views on a topic, everyone will
Speaker 3: tell you the key thing to do in that moment
Speaker 3: is to double and triple down. Basically, to just run
Speaker 3: that well until it's dry. Just keep hitting that topic
Speaker 3: because obviously the algo likes it. Obviously you're good at
Speaker 3: at covering that angle of things, and people are going
Speaker 3: to tune in, You're going to grow your channel, You're
Speaker 3: gonna make more money.
Speaker 1: Da da da da, And I stopped. I stopped right after.
Speaker 3: And no, it's not because I got the call it's
Speaker 3: because it makes me uncomfortable because I don't like to
Speaker 3: drag people through the mud if they're if they're undeserving
Speaker 3: of that. And as I said, while I am convinced
Speaker 3: that Erica Kirk has lied on important things when it
Speaker 3: comes to the assassination of her husband, and that is unforgivable,
Speaker 3: as far as I'm concerned, I am equally unconvinced that
Speaker 3: she was actually a participant in the assassination. That doesn't
Speaker 3: mean that it's not possible. It means that I haven't
Speaker 3: seen evidence that proves it. And for that reason, I
Speaker 3: just feel as if like to go and do a
Speaker 3: series about someone involved in this case implies an extraordinary
Speaker 3: level of involvement, because otherwise this just doesn't feel justified.
Speaker 3: So that's really where I've come down on this is
Speaker 3: that my belief is this. I believe that Candace Owns
Speaker 3: is convinced that Erica Kirk was either involved or she
Speaker 3: believes that she is a really, really bad person perhaps,
Speaker 3: you know, honeypot that type of analysis. And Candace Owens
Speaker 3: is obviously privy to additional information that has not been
Speaker 3: made public yet that I'm not aware of, So I
Speaker 3: have to take that seriously. But the way I view
Speaker 3: it is that if I had a friend who was
Speaker 3: assassinated and his wife was under attack from all angles
Speaker 3: for months on end, my instinct would be to defend her,
Speaker 3: like to the end of the earth. And if you
Speaker 3: guys are wind all the way back to the first
Speaker 3: month after the assassination, that's exactly what I did. I
Speaker 3: was like, this lady's stepping up. She seems to be,
Speaker 3: you know, just infused with the Holy Spirit, and I
Speaker 3: was very impressed. I got that one wrong, for sure.
Speaker 3: So my read of things as of now is that
Speaker 3: Canda Zones is convinced that Erica is either a involved
Speaker 3: or b just a deeply, deeply bad bad person, because
Speaker 3: if she's if neither of those things are true, then
Speaker 3: there is no excuse for Candisons doing a series about
Speaker 3: the wife of her friend after he was murdered. So
Speaker 3: let's go through some of the evidence that Candis Oons
Speaker 3: has presented as to why I think she may actually
Speaker 3: feel that way.
Speaker 12: This is the shocking part in this I don't have
Speaker 12: to put in allegedly because I have text messages from
Speaker 12: September eleventh, Tracy told friends that her daughter, possibly Erica's
Speaker 12: assistant was supposed to be at UVU on September tenth,
Speaker 12: but Tracy had a bad feeling about it. Wait Erica's
Speaker 12: best friend had a bad feeling about what was going
Speaker 12: to happen on September tenth, yep, and so she stopped
Speaker 12: her daughter, Eric's assistant from going. Tracy had a divine
Speaker 12: intuition that her daughter should not go to UVU, but
Speaker 12: she didn't share that.
Speaker 8: With Erica about maybe maybe she should have said her
Speaker 8: husband shouldn't have gone to UVU.
Speaker 12: Maybe if you would share that's your best friend. Does
Speaker 12: that sound right to you, guys? Is that tracking for
Speaker 12: you guys at all? Look, I don't know what's going on,
Speaker 12: but I know that it is not what they are
Speaker 12: telling us is going on.
Speaker 8: Okay, I'll leave it at that.
Speaker 3: So that little tidbit from Candie owns about two weeks
Speaker 3: ago kind of went under the radar. People didn't take
Speaker 3: it very seriously. I think that there's this sinc possibility
Speaker 3: that that tidbit, basically I don't know if it convinced Candace,
Speaker 3: but certainly put her on the path of thinking maybe
Speaker 3: she had four knowledge. And let's be honest, if you
Speaker 3: have four knowledge, that means that you're involved, because if
Speaker 3: you had four knowledge and you didn't stop it, even
Speaker 3: if you're not a participant, that means that you're basically
Speaker 3: an accomplice. She's also gone through her entire history, and
Speaker 3: it's obvious that Erica Kirk has lied about her dating history,
Speaker 3: as she dated friends of R prior to her dating him,
Speaker 3: and she basically lied about having been, you know, in
Speaker 3: the marketplace. And it's obvious that she very much liked
Speaker 3: to date I guess you could say like powerful people
Speaker 3: and or athletes, and she was always kind of dating
Speaker 3: her way up and trying to use it as a
Speaker 3: power play to kind of advance her career.
Speaker 1: That's obvious.
Speaker 3: And then it's also obvious that after Charlie died, she
Speaker 3: takes on the CEO role. So certainly it does look
Speaker 3: as if that trend line stayed intact, which is not
Speaker 3: a very good look.
Speaker 12: On June nineteenth, Erica purged her Instagram of a lot
Speaker 12: of pictures, one hundred and twenty six posts she deleted,
Speaker 12: and I had wondered what drove that?
Speaker 8: Why would you delete.
Speaker 12: One hundred and twenty six posts off of your Instagram page?
Speaker 8: And when I did my master Timeline.
Speaker 12: I realized that this was the time when things were
Speaker 12: really heating up with Israel and Iran.
Speaker 8: I had mentioned that she in the past, and I
Speaker 8: had wondered to myself.
Speaker 12: If she had moved to do that after Charley beat
Speaker 12: bib Net and Yahoo in a debate and all of
Speaker 12: his Ionist thugs at the White House, and he had
Speaker 12: convinced Trump that he should have just say limited military
Speaker 12: not exercise a limited military operation in Iran which ends
Speaker 12: up being Operation Midnight Hammer. Well, I can now confirm
Speaker 12: that the date that Charlie went to the White House,
Speaker 12: went to the White House and went up like toe
Speaker 12: to toe with bib Net and Yahoo's and his thugs
Speaker 12: who wanted more action in Iran.
Speaker 8: And he won, was on June eighteenth.
Speaker 3: Now, I'm reading tea leaves here, so take it with
Speaker 3: a grain of salt. But the fact that she's now
Speaker 3: on the trail of trying to find out if essentially
Speaker 3: Erica Kirk's behavior or changes in behavior have some sort
Speaker 3: of symmetry or correlate to Charlie Kirk, her husband trying
Speaker 3: to prevent a war on behalf of Israel in Iran.
Speaker 3: Tells me that Candice Own actually agrees with my hypothesis
Speaker 3: that this is a proxy war over foreign policy. And
Speaker 3: this may be nothing, but this happened yesterday from Donald Trump.
Speaker 11: Come home and Christinoham our people that have been incredible
Speaker 11: the job they've done, and they take nothing but abuse.
Speaker 11: But you know, they're sort of.
Speaker 1: Pretty hardened to that.
Speaker 11: I think because they know they're doing the right thing.
Speaker 11: It just amazes me that there's not more support out there.
Speaker 11: It's just we actually have a silent support. I think
Speaker 11: it's silent. I think it's well, that's how I want.
Speaker 11: I got probably eighty five million. I wou'd say, say
Speaker 11: seventy eight million, seventy nine million. Take they cheated at
Speaker 11: this election too. It was just too big to rig,
Speaker 11: too big to rick.
Speaker 3: Does that look like the Donald Trump that you remember?
Speaker 3: And I'm not saying it's a body though, I'm saying,
Speaker 3: does that man have the energy the hootspa of Donald Trump,
Speaker 3: of campaign trail Donald Trump just a year ago?
Speaker 1: Answer is no.
Speaker 3: He looks like a beaten man, so much so that
Speaker 3: he went on to say that he won't be around forever.
Speaker 1: I don't know how long I'll be around.
Speaker 13: Got a lot of people gun informed me, don't I have,
Speaker 13: but I will not forget them.
Speaker 1: I'm never going to forget them.
Speaker 3: He sounds like he's really feeling the pressure of the
Speaker 3: job in a way that he has never seemed to
Speaker 3: be feeling it before. And as I covered on my
Speaker 3: episode last week when it came to the Epstein Files,
Speaker 3: there is the largest munitions and military build up in
Speaker 3: the Middle East that we have seen since two thousand
Speaker 3: and three, the Iraq War invasion, and there has been
Speaker 3: a constant beating of the war drums and a constant
Speaker 3: demand on Donald Trump that he takes us to war
Speaker 3: against Iran. And all of those same people, or maybe
Speaker 3: not all of them, but almost all of the same
Speaker 3: people in the opening montage of people tweeting saying Canis
Speaker 3: Owns is a demon, an evil and la la la
Speaker 3: la la, well, those are all the same people who
Speaker 3: are constantly being the war drums and demanding that Donald
Speaker 3: Trump bomb slash invade Iran. And I could be totally
Speaker 3: reading this wrong, but I'll just tell you my instinct
Speaker 3: on it. My instinct is that Donald Trump is being
Speaker 3: pressured in a way that he has never been pressured before.
Speaker 3: And this is a man who took a bullet to
Speaker 3: the ear nearly died. He seems more downtrodden today than
Speaker 3: he did in the weeks and months after that attack
Speaker 3: at Butler, Pennsylvania. That tells me something. It tells me
Speaker 3: that he is being attacked from all angles. And obviously,
Speaker 3: the similarity between these two narratives that I'm painting for
Speaker 3: you guys, is that these are both about basically threats
Speaker 3: upon Americans' lives if they don't go along with Israel's
Speaker 3: demands when it comes to a war with Iran. Charlie
Speaker 3: Kirk demanded it and prevented a wider war. He was
Speaker 3: then assassinated, and now Donald Trump looks as if he's
Speaker 3: under the gun himself.
Speaker 14: You've seen all been treated in Megan by some, not
Speaker 14: all by some.
Speaker 15: No, it's very irritating.
Speaker 1: It's unfair.
Speaker 15: They were coming after you after a turning point for
Speaker 15: among others.
Speaker 8: Show you a Dave Smith there.
Speaker 15: Dave Smith is allowed to imprecize Israel, what both sides.
Speaker 14: Of the Israeli though, No, you're not allowed to.
Speaker 1: It's even worse than that.
Speaker 14: Again, I just want to repeat for the fifth time,
Speaker 14: I love Israel, I want Israel to win, but my
Speaker 14: moral character is now being put into question, Megan.
Speaker 3: Now I'll get back to that angle on a little bit.
Speaker 3: I also wanted to cover the other justification that Cannie
Speaker 3: Owns might have for doing this expose on Eric Kirk.
Speaker 3: And we'll go to a friend of the show, Baron Coleman,
Speaker 3: lay out that part.
Speaker 7: Watch what happens. This is the moment he meets Erica frantzfitt.
Speaker 7: I think it's a month or two after this tax
Speaker 7: return is filed. After this tax return closes, after fiscal
Speaker 7: year twenty eighteen, the only three people listed, Bill Montgomery,
Speaker 7: Charlie Kirk, George Hamstra.
Speaker 1: That's it.
Speaker 7: Charlie and Bill pay themselves about eighty grand a year.
Speaker 7: That's a pretty good living for Charlie Kirk, who's like
Speaker 7: twenty one years old at the time.
Speaker 1: Twenty two.
Speaker 7: Maybe Now watch what happens The next year they go
Speaker 7: eleven million dollars. He meets Erica Franz Fey, We're at
Speaker 7: twenty eight million the next year.
Speaker 1: I mean, we.
Speaker 7: Didn't just double, we almost tripled, and we were already
Speaker 7: in the eight figure range.
Speaker 1: Now let's look at the filing.
Speaker 7: Not only did they triple, look what happened to their officers, directors,
Speaker 7: and key employees. We've added Mike Miller, Tom Sudeika, Tyler Boyer,
Speaker 7: Benjamin Johnson, Joshua Dafoe, Stacy Sheridan. When Erica Kirk enters
Speaker 7: the picture, remember she came by supposedly to interview. That
Speaker 7: was the story we've all been fed. I don't believe it.
Speaker 7: I think it was a setup from the beginning.
Speaker 3: So that's the honeypot angle. Obviously, his organization TPUSA goes
Speaker 3: from about a ten million dollar a year organization to
Speaker 3: a thirty million dollar a year organization right after he
Speaker 3: meets her. And then he also brings in a bunch
Speaker 3: of these people who were all now familiar with Boyer,
Speaker 3: et cetera, et cetera. And they're all extraordinarily extreme pro Zionists.
Speaker 3: And they are also all duplicitous and have not been
Speaker 3: forthright or honest or open at least about what happened
Speaker 3: on the day of the attack and also the aftermath therein.
Speaker 3: So my opinion is this, I think that Candis Owans
Speaker 3: is convinced it's either A or it's B that either
Speaker 3: Erica had foreknowledge and or she was involved and or
Speaker 3: the I mean less damning but equally insane potential or
Speaker 3: possibility that she in fact was put into Charlie's life
Speaker 3: with great intentionality, that she was in fact an asset
Speaker 3: or agent for a foreign power. Now, to be clear,
Speaker 3: I'm not saying either of those things are true. I'm
Speaker 3: saying I think that one of those has to be
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Speaker 3: of those possibilities are ridiculous, So you're an idiot to
Speaker 3: even give her the time of day. And I'm just
Speaker 3: gonna say, yeah, Well, I might take you guys more
Speaker 3: seriously if you didn't all lie to me in the
Speaker 3: mediate aftermath of the assassination of Charlie Kirk, Whereas all
Speaker 3: of the truthful information that I now know factually is
Speaker 3: true came from Candice Owens. So I'm going to give
Speaker 3: her the benefit of the doubt because her track record
Speaker 3: is far superior to your own. And here's the thing.
Speaker 3: If we had a functioning FBI, which should be involved
Speaker 3: in the investigation, because this is a political assassination, This
Speaker 3: probably can't be handled at the state level, particularly when
Speaker 3: many of us believe that there was foreign powers involved. Well,
Speaker 3: if we had a legitimate federal police force, or investigating
Speaker 3: body that could handle this.
Speaker 1: You wouldn't need Canis OANs.
Speaker 3: Or Baron Coleman or Ian Carroll or me or anybody
Speaker 3: else that has covered this story over the past six months.
Speaker 3: You wouldn't need us because you would have a legitimate
Speaker 3: investigation that is being carried out with the only intention
Speaker 3: in mind of getting justice. But we don't have that,
Speaker 3: So this is what you're left with. That's not our fault,
Speaker 3: it's yours. And this is a great example of why
Speaker 3: I'm saying I lean towards trusting Canis Owan's judgment and
Speaker 3: not her detractors, because her detractors are pathological liars. And
Speaker 3: the reason I feel that way is well because it's true,
Speaker 3: but also because in this particular instance, the Hampton's debacle
Speaker 3: is so obviously not what they alleged it to be
Speaker 3: and closer to what Candice Owens has alleged it to be. Namely,
Speaker 3: the way they frame it is that Charlie called this
Speaker 3: event because he wanted to have basically debate prep This
Speaker 3: was not an argument over American Israeli foreign policy issues,
Speaker 3: or our relationship to Israel more broadly, or Israeli pressure.
Speaker 3: When it comes to his political organization. No, no, no, no,
Speaker 3: this was just them having a good spirited, you know,
Speaker 3: basically prep practice debate so he'd be better equipped when
Speaker 3: he goes on to college campuses. But that's not what
Speaker 3: it was. And in set Dylan's own words, he gives
Speaker 3: up the game. He basically says, well, one, he calls
Speaker 3: it heated. If you're doing a practice prep debate, it
Speaker 3: doesn't get heated. You're just basically going through the motions
Speaker 3: and trying to better formulate and going like, all right,
Speaker 3: if I say this, what do you think?
Speaker 1: Like? How does that come across?
Speaker 11: Like?
Speaker 1: That's not what it was. He says.
Speaker 3: One particular issue that got heated between him and Seth
Speaker 3: was that Charlie said if you basically get off the plantation,
Speaker 3: they the Zionists, will destroy you. And he's lamenting that
Speaker 3: does that sound like debate prep?
Speaker 5: No.
Speaker 12: The Hamptons, And here's what Seth Dylan had to say.
Speaker 4: The Hampton's meeting was a retreat called by Charlie. There
Speaker 4: was a claim that was made that an intervention was
Speaker 4: staged with Charlie where people pulled him into a room
Speaker 4: in a very aggressive manner, pressured and blackmailed him. Because
Speaker 4: they felt like he was straying away from his support
Speaker 4: for Israel.
Speaker 1: That was the claim.
Speaker 4: There was heated and spirited debate about the issue of
Speaker 4: Israel in the room, but it was debate that Charlie
Speaker 4: himself initiated, and he wanted to hear different perspectives on it,
Speaker 4: and so we.
Speaker 1: Voiced a lot of our perspectives.
Speaker 4: One of the things that I disagreed with him on
Speaker 4: was he said that, you know, there's if you're if
Speaker 4: you don't, if you're not sufficiently supportive of Israel, you you,
Speaker 4: it can be really ruined, ruinous for you in a
Speaker 4: position like his, if you criticize Israel at all, uh,
Speaker 4: they'll try to, you know, denigrate you and destroy you
Speaker 4: and call you names, call you antisemitic, et cetera, and
Speaker 4: it can it can ruin you. And I said, you know, yeah,
Speaker 4: certainly that's that's true, but it can also be very
Speaker 4: costly to stand up to those people.
Speaker 3: That sounds like a man who's venting, because that's the
Speaker 3: type of pressure he's under. And don't take my word
Speaker 3: for it. The very next day after the Hamptons, he
Speaker 3: goes on with Megan Kelly and he says this.
Speaker 14: I'm an American citizen. Yes, I want Israel to win.
Speaker 14: Yes I'm a Christian. But like some of them, mess
Speaker 14: and you saw it. You've seen all have been treated,
Speaker 14: Megan by some, not all by some.
Speaker 15: No, it's very irritating.
Speaker 1: It's been so unfair.
Speaker 15: They were coming after you after a turning point for,
Speaker 15: among other things, to show you a Dave Smith there.
Speaker 15: Dave Smith is a lot to imprecize Israel both sides.
Speaker 14: Though, No, you're not allowed to. It's even worse than that. Again,
Speaker 14: I would just want to repeat for the fifth time,
Speaker 14: I love Israel, I want Israel to win. But my
Speaker 14: moral character is now being put into question, Megan, not
Speaker 14: my decisions, not like hey, are you doing this? Is
Speaker 14: it smart or is it dumb? But no, I am
Speaker 14: a bad person if I do this and it's a
Speaker 14: I could go. I mean, you saw it, Megan. It
Speaker 14: was trending on Twitter, thousands of tweets and text messages.
Speaker 3: That is the very next day after the Hampton's meeting. Now,
Speaker 3: that's not a smoking gun saying that Israel was behind
Speaker 3: the assassination of Charlie Kirk.
Speaker 1: It's not.
Speaker 3: But I'll tell you what it is. It's proof that
Speaker 3: his inner circle was filled with israel First Zionists who
Speaker 3: were openly, openly challenging Charlie Kirk regularly on his basic
Speaker 3: unwillingness to go along with their program. And he was
Speaker 3: then assassinated in front of the world two months and
Speaker 3: all of those people, to a man or woman, lied
Speaker 3: lied about it, just to the end of the earth.
Speaker 3: Lied and lied and lied and lied. And that matters.
Speaker 3: Why does it matter. I don't know exactly what it means,
Speaker 3: but it matters because it means his inner circle was
Speaker 3: filled with fucking liars. There's a reason they lied, and
Speaker 3: we need to know what that reason was.
Speaker 7: A voice that purports to be Erica Kirk says the
Speaker 7: following quote, my husband's dead. Like I'm not trying to
Speaker 7: be morbid, but he's dead. And it puts life into
Speaker 7: perspective of how short life is and relationships and God
Speaker 7: puts people into your life for a reason, and it
Speaker 7: teaches you a lesson, it teaches them a lesson. So
Speaker 7: if you're going through a time where end quote that's
Speaker 7: where she pauses. She doesn't finish that sentence. That was
Speaker 7: odd enough, the callousness with which she spoke of her
Speaker 7: husband's shocking and instant public execution, and not even two
Speaker 7: weeks prior to the call was bad enough.
Speaker 1: But it's the next line that made.
Speaker 7: Me wander around my house wondering if this entire investigation
Speaker 7: isn't leading somewhere far darker and far more sinister than
Speaker 7: any of us imagine. Here are the next two sentences.
Speaker 7: These are the two sentences that woke me up at
Speaker 7: three forty three am this morning. These are the ones
Speaker 7: that wouldn't stop playing over and over in my head
Speaker 7: for hours while I tossed and turned in the middle
Speaker 7: of the night, desperately trying to go back to sleep.
Speaker 8: Quote, just lay it to rest.
Speaker 7: We are moving forward with Turning point two point h,
Speaker 7: with Charlie and our hearts, and that's what he would want.
Speaker 7: Turning point two point oh. I can't stop thinking about it.
Speaker 7: I cannot shake my opinion that Turning point two point
Speaker 7: H is the result of a meticulously planned and executed upgrade.
Speaker 7: Version one point oh was no longer able to support
Speaker 7: all of the intended upgrades. When BB called to offer
Speaker 7: the next line level package, TPUSA insiders realized they had
Speaker 7: a significant engineering problem that had to be solved. TPUSA
Speaker 7: version one point zero, the Charlie Kirk package would not
Speaker 7: support it. In my opinion, TPUSA insiders realized that TPUSA
Speaker 7: version one point oh, the Charlie Kirk version, had become obsolete.
Speaker 3: As Baron says, TPUSA one point zero had become obsolete
Speaker 3: under Charlie Kirk's command. And I think at its heart
Speaker 3: what Charlie was dealing with was the college campuses that
Speaker 3: he went on on a regular basis to try and
Speaker 3: argue in defense of our foreign policy, in defense of Israel,
Speaker 3: was constantly being beaten down and argued very successfully against
Speaker 3: by college students, which is something that he simply couldn't have.
Speaker 3: You can't have Charlie Kirk, who made his name defeating
Speaker 3: bad college campus arguments from woke kids now being defeated,
Speaker 3: had over and over again and still maintain his, you know,
Speaker 3: his influence over college campuses. And he started to voice
Speaker 3: that to beb net, Yahoo, specifically writing him a lengthy
Speaker 3: letter where he says exactly that. And at that very
Speaker 3: Hampton's meeting, he gets a call from beb net and Yahoo,
Speaker 3: which everybody there lied about, but it happened.
Speaker 12: No one even wanted to touch the fact that BB
Speaker 12: NET and Yaho called, which I told you happened. Everything
Speaker 12: I said was true, it got heated. Charlie was being pressed.
Speaker 12: He was so stressed about what happened in the Hampton's
Speaker 12: had spilled over into his conversation with Megan Kelly.
Speaker 8: Why would it get heated? Was this a mock debate as.
Speaker 12: They tried to present it like why would it get heated?
Speaker 12: If Charlie's position was not shifting, why would it get heated?
Speaker 8: And somebody explained that to me.
Speaker 3: And at that very Hampton's meeting, he is expressing how
Speaker 3: if you don't go along with Net, Yahoo, if you
Speaker 3: don't go along with the Zionist movement, that they will
Speaker 3: try and destroy you. And he is being challenged on
Speaker 3: that assessment by people like Seth Dillon and others at
Speaker 3: that event, and all of those people again lied about it.
Speaker 3: And twenty four hours before he's assassinated, he says that
Speaker 3: he fears that he's going to be killed, And twenty
Speaker 3: four hours before he's assassinated, he says, I have no
Speaker 3: choice but to leave the pro Israel cause. And twenty
Speaker 3: four hours later he dies in the most horrific way
Speaker 3: I've probably ever seen and without coming to a firm conclusion.
Speaker 3: I think we have enough evidence here to say it's
Speaker 3: not even so much the who pulled the trigger, it's
Speaker 3: the why, and the why screams out. The why to
Speaker 3: me is like a like a five alarm fire. I mean,
Speaker 3: it's just it's you can't even ignore it. You can't
Speaker 3: even bring yourself to ignore it. Once you've seen all
Speaker 3: of these things, and you've seen all of the lies
Speaker 3: about these things, which adds additional gravity to these claims,
Speaker 3: you start to connect those dots and you go, Okay,
Speaker 3: if this isn't the reason he was assassinated, I'd be surprised.
Speaker 3: I'd be surprised. And then you add in the weirdness
Speaker 3: like what Baron covered with Jimmy Door yesterday.
Speaker 15: That's that hospital named zachar Riat where shee dta versified
Speaker 15: twelve of two thousand.
Speaker 6: The mail is going from hospital to hospital looking for
Speaker 6: as the victim. They got the guy's police license plate,
Speaker 6: they got his car, they got his description, and they
Speaker 6: say he's going from hospital to hospital with a long
Speaker 6: gun looking for the victim.
Speaker 7: The FBI actually showed up with the local police to
Speaker 7: detain him, which I found a little curious, and we
Speaker 7: never got an explanation for why they chose to do
Speaker 7: nothing with him. We never you know, if to me,
Speaker 7: if a guy is radioed in as going hospital to
Speaker 7: hospital looking for the victim, potentially with a long gun,
Speaker 7: then when they detain him and let him go, the
Speaker 7: news report should not be we have no idea why
Speaker 7: they detained him. It was a comedy of airs. It
Speaker 7: was a huge mix up. The news report should be No.
Speaker 7: He was reported to be going high hospital to hospital
Speaker 7: looking for the victim, potentially with a long gun. They
Speaker 7: had his description, they had his name, they had his
Speaker 7: license plate, they had an accurate description of his car.
Speaker 7: But here's why it was wrong, and here's why we
Speaker 7: changed our mind. Instead, they just wiped their hands of
Speaker 7: it and moved on.
Speaker 3: So the day of the assassination attempt, there are reports,
Speaker 3: there's police responses on a man who is going hospital
Speaker 3: to hospital trying to find Charlie Kirk after he's been shot,
Speaker 3: to make sure that he's dead, and that man is
Speaker 3: allegedly carrying a long gun which means he means business.
Speaker 3: And then poof, gone nothing. I guess it never even happened.
Speaker 3: Doesn't matter, So in the spirit of full disclosure, I'm
Speaker 3: going to give you my hypothesis as to what I believe,
Speaker 3: but first I'll let Baron Coleman give his.
Speaker 6: Can you expand on your working hypothesis?
Speaker 1: Yeah?
Speaker 7: I can. There are so many things that went wrong,
Speaker 7: starting with the T shirt moving in the way it
Speaker 7: moved that is totally and wholly inconsistent with a gunshot
Speaker 7: to the neck. You know, the whole T shirt comes up,
Speaker 7: a medallion on his necklace ries into a neck his hands,
Speaker 7: the way they gripped the microphone looks to me like
Speaker 7: he got electrocuted. His ring disconnected from his ring finger
Speaker 7: and then sticks to his pinky finger for about a
Speaker 7: full second, doesn't It's not affected by gravity, almost as
Speaker 7: if there's some sort of an electromagnetic pull on that ring.
Speaker 7: And then you have this this medical report of a
Speaker 7: broken series of vertebrae from the C one or two
Speaker 7: all the way down to the C seven or T
Speaker 7: one it's and then you had the couple of wounds
Speaker 7: on his on his arm that almost looked like a
Speaker 7: taser or some sort of puncture wound. I just think
Speaker 7: that they brought Charlie into that looks like a death
Speaker 7: arena and said we're gonna go after him four or
Speaker 7: five different ways, and then we're gonna break his neck
Speaker 7: in the car. And he's not walking out of this alive.
Speaker 7: There's a zero percent chance he leaves orm Utah alive.
Speaker 3: Well, I agree with Baron on one conclusion there. I
Speaker 3: think Charlie Kirk walked into a killbox that day. I
Speaker 3: think there was way he was getting out of there alive.
Speaker 3: That being said, I don't agree with him on the
Speaker 3: multi mechanisms for his demise. I think it's possible, but
Speaker 3: I personally don't lean in that direction. I do think
Speaker 3: that the shirt movement. I did an episode on that
Speaker 3: in the first month after the attack, and I think
Speaker 3: that it's very strange, like there's a distinct possiblity that
Speaker 3: there was a charge. I'm not saying that there wasn't,
Speaker 3: but I'm just saying I leaned towards there being a
Speaker 3: round that was fired from a distance, just because the
Speaker 3: audio of that, to time that with some sort of
Speaker 3: electrocution mechanism and a taser and this and that is
Speaker 3: just like it gets to a point of being so
Speaker 3: extravagant that I find it far fetched, especially if This
Speaker 3: is a well orchestrated, well planned, well plotted attack on
Speaker 3: Charlie Kirk. I just don't see why you would go
Speaker 3: to that many levels. The key thing to remember is
Speaker 3: that this is done in public for a purpose. They
Speaker 3: want us to see it, They want us to have
Speaker 3: it etched in our memories forever more, and for me personally,
Speaker 3: it will be. And the reason I haven't covered this
Speaker 3: story as much as Baron and Candice have is simply
Speaker 3: because I don't feel confident in my conclusion. I feel
Speaker 3: confident that we're being lied to. I mean, it's crystal
Speaker 3: clear to me that Charlie's opinion of our relationship to
Speaker 3: Israel was shifting and that was causing him undue duress
Speaker 3: in the months preceding his assassination. And I think that's,
Speaker 3: if I had to just put a weight on it,
Speaker 3: I think that's the most likely reason that he was
Speaker 3: ultimately killed. And I think it's crystal clear that TPUSA
Speaker 3: two point zero has taken on a far more aggressively
Speaker 3: pro Israel stance than the one point zero version that
Speaker 3: Charlie was kind of morphiged into, which was more of
Speaker 3: an America first model. And I think that that adds
Speaker 3: additional weight as to my hypothesis that that was the
Speaker 3: underlying motive for why he had to go. And I
Speaker 3: think for sure Charlie was surrounded by a bunch of
Speaker 3: bad people and a bunch of liars, and a bunch
Speaker 3: of people that were basically grifting off of him and
Speaker 3: using him to lever up or level up themselves. And
Speaker 3: I'll be honest, I think there's a distinct possibility that's
Speaker 3: what his wife was. And it hurts me to say that,
Speaker 3: because I would not want to say that about a widow,
Speaker 3: But I'm just telling you my honest opinion after analyzing
Speaker 3: all this for six months straight. But that being said,
Speaker 3: I don't know that she had any fore knowledge and
Speaker 3: I certainly don't know that she was involved or something crazy.
Speaker 8: Like that Erica should be dragged into a police precinct.
Speaker 3: So I'm going to reserve judgment. I'm going to continue
Speaker 3: to follow the facts where they lead as best I can,
Speaker 3: and I'm going to continue to give you coverage when
Speaker 3: I feel as if I have something meaningful and important
Speaker 3: to add to this debate. And I will continue to
Speaker 3: follow Baron and Candace and everybody else's work on this
Speaker 3: and do my own and try and help us decipher
Speaker 3: this madness because it is very hard to figure out
Speaker 3: what exactly is happening. If you enjoyed my analysis, I
Speaker 3: would appreciate if you drop a comment down below let
Speaker 3: me know, like this is totally I don't want to
Speaker 3: be doing this if you find that I'm not adding value.
Speaker 3: If I'm adding value to this discussion, I absolutely will
Speaker 3: continue to do it periodically. I'm not going to do
Speaker 3: a daily on this. I'm not going to do a
Speaker 3: weekly on this. I'll do it every couple weeks or
Speaker 3: maybe once a month and just kind of give you
Speaker 3: my recap. At this point, I'm most interested in when
Speaker 3: the trial starts, and I hope that there's a real
Speaker 3: legitimate trial with cameras and we can actually get to
Speaker 3: the bottom of this. My personal driving motivating factor in
Speaker 3: all of this is justice and the truth. Actually, that's
Speaker 3: the same underlying motivating factor behind everything I do. So yeah,
Speaker 3: if you like that, please do subscribe, hitdlight button and
Speaker 3: we'll see you next time.
Speaker 1: Love you guys. Please.
Speaker 13: So, last year, Charlie was violently murdered by an assassin
Speaker 13: and martyred really martyred for his beliefs. His wonderful wife, Erica,
Speaker 13: is with us tonight. Erica, please stand.
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