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In March twenty fifteen, Denise Hoskins and 38 00:01:48.760 --> 00:01:51.799 her boyfriend Aaron Quinn awoke from a sound sleep into 39 00:01:51.799 --> 00:01:56.200 a nightmare. Our men bound and drug them, then abducted 40 00:01:56.239 --> 00:01:59.799 Denise war not to call the police or Denise would 41 00:01:59.840 --> 00:02:04.519 be killed. Aarin, agonized about what to do, finally put 42 00:02:04.519 --> 00:02:08.000 his trust in law enforcement and dialed nine to one one. 43 00:02:08.120 --> 00:02:11.680 But instead of searching for Denise, the police accused Aaron 44 00:02:11.719 --> 00:02:15.960 of a murder. His story, they told them, was just unbelievable. 45 00:02:16.840 --> 00:02:20.159 When Denise was released alive, the police turned their fire 46 00:02:20.240 --> 00:02:23.800 on her, dubbing her the real life gone girl who 47 00:02:23.800 --> 00:02:28.280 had faked their own kidnapping. In Victim f Aaron and 48 00:02:28.319 --> 00:02:32.280 Denise recount the horrific ordeal that almost cost them everything. 49 00:02:33.360 --> 00:02:38.439 Like too many victims of sexual violence. They were dismissed, disbelieved, 50 00:02:38.479 --> 00:02:41.520 and dragged through the mud with no one to rely 51 00:02:41.639 --> 00:02:46.120 on accept each other. They took on the victim, blaming harassment, misogyny, 52 00:02:46.199 --> 00:02:50.199 and abusive power running rife in the criminal justice system. 53 00:02:50.479 --> 00:02:53.520 Their story is, in the end, a love story, but 54 00:02:53.639 --> 00:02:56.800 one that sheds necessary light on sexual assault and the 55 00:02:56.840 --> 00:03:00.960 abuse by law enforcement that all too frequently compounds crime 56 00:03:01.080 --> 00:03:05.280 victims suffering. Book they were featuring this evening is Victim 57 00:03:05.560 --> 00:03:10.560 f from crime victims to suspects to Survivors with my 58 00:03:10.680 --> 00:03:15.960 special guests, authors Denise Huskins and Aaron Quinn. Welcome to 59 00:03:16.000 --> 00:03:18.039 the program and thank you so much for this interview. 60 00:03:18.400 --> 00:03:20.159 Denise Huskins and Aaron. 61 00:03:20.000 --> 00:03:23.840 Quinn, Hi, thank you for having us. 62 00:03:24.639 --> 00:03:30.520 Thank you so much. This is extraordinary and heart wrenching story. 63 00:03:31.599 --> 00:03:34.759 Let's start off with I know that this book is 64 00:03:35.000 --> 00:03:39.599 credited to yourself as authors, but also Nicole Wisen's the 65 00:03:39.840 --> 00:03:43.560 Egan and people of the program listeners might know her 66 00:03:43.599 --> 00:03:48.280 from my interview with her discussing her book Chasing Cosby 67 00:03:48.719 --> 00:03:53.000 and also her podcast. Can you tell us Nicole wisenes 68 00:03:53.240 --> 00:03:55.680 Egan's role in this book? Please? 69 00:03:57.599 --> 00:04:00.639 Yeah, I mean she is a great retour us to 70 00:04:00.759 --> 00:04:05.960 have and helping us, help guiding us in the writing process. 71 00:04:06.919 --> 00:04:10.400 We wrote the book from both my perspective and Aaron's perspective, 72 00:04:10.479 --> 00:04:14.080 as well as interleaving some third person perspectives of our 73 00:04:14.120 --> 00:04:16.720 family and what was going on the media and law enforcement. 74 00:04:17.879 --> 00:04:20.759 So she was just a really great advocate to have 75 00:04:21.720 --> 00:04:25.720 in helping us really share the truth of what happened 76 00:04:25.720 --> 00:04:29.240 through our voices, because a lot of our story had 77 00:04:29.279 --> 00:04:32.519 been hijacked by the media and with the lives that 78 00:04:32.560 --> 00:04:35.680 the police put out. 79 00:04:36.439 --> 00:04:39.319 You start off this book with talking about a little 80 00:04:39.439 --> 00:04:42.319 just a little bit about your background before this incredible 81 00:04:42.560 --> 00:04:46.800 event in twenty fourteen, our pardon me, this incredible event. 82 00:04:47.240 --> 00:04:53.600 Let's talk about Aaron. When you first met Denise, what 83 00:04:53.800 --> 00:04:56.399 year and tell us a little bit about your your 84 00:04:56.439 --> 00:05:01.800 move from move to northern California. 85 00:05:01.920 --> 00:05:06.040 I was working neurological rehab as a physical therapist in 86 00:05:06.079 --> 00:05:10.279 the city of Lehou where I met Denise in the 87 00:05:10.279 --> 00:05:16.279 summer of twenty fourteen. During that time, or prior to 88 00:05:16.399 --> 00:05:19.720 the Antonise, I had broken up with my ex fiance 89 00:05:20.959 --> 00:05:25.519 due to her infidelity. So when we met, I was 90 00:05:25.560 --> 00:05:31.759 in a tough situations really from that past relationship, but 91 00:05:32.480 --> 00:05:38.240 we immediately connected just for our love for therapy, and 92 00:05:38.720 --> 00:05:43.920 we have similar families and just became a very easy conversation. 93 00:05:44.079 --> 00:05:47.759 So we quickly fell in love, and up to that 94 00:05:48.800 --> 00:05:52.839 point of the home invasion, we had time to reach 95 00:05:52.920 --> 00:05:58.160 across the roads of our relationship as I needed to 96 00:05:58.199 --> 00:06:02.319 move forward for our past my X and so we 97 00:06:02.360 --> 00:06:05.000 ended up having a very emotional talk that night. We 98 00:06:05.120 --> 00:06:08.240 sided that we were going we we're gone commit each other, 99 00:06:08.319 --> 00:06:12.920 and we went to bed around midnight. We're content on 100 00:06:13.000 --> 00:06:19.240 the starting over, and then then all this chaos happened. 101 00:06:21.759 --> 00:06:27.959 Around three am that morning. You write what happened while 102 00:06:28.000 --> 00:06:31.439 you were asleep? What happened to rouse you from your sleep? 103 00:06:31.560 --> 00:06:31.959 Both of you? 104 00:06:33.639 --> 00:06:37.839 Yeah? So I I was in a deep sleep and 105 00:06:38.879 --> 00:06:42.720 was woken too a strange man's voice repeating phrases over 106 00:06:42.759 --> 00:06:46.720 and over. Wake up. This is a robbery. We are 107 00:06:46.720 --> 00:06:50.319 not here to hurt you. At first, I just I 108 00:06:50.560 --> 00:06:54.680 thought it was a nightmare. But when my eyes popped open, 109 00:06:54.759 --> 00:06:59.759 I stopped flashing white light against the wall and multiple 110 00:06:59.759 --> 00:07:05.439 red scanning, so we knew that they were armed and 111 00:07:06.519 --> 00:07:09.680 there was a few people in there. I was instructed 112 00:07:09.800 --> 00:07:13.439 to tie up Aaron and its ties were left at 113 00:07:13.439 --> 00:07:17.319 the edge of the bed. I tied him up. I 114 00:07:17.480 --> 00:07:21.040 was then tied up in the closet. We were given 115 00:07:21.120 --> 00:07:26.279 blocked out swim goggles to blindfold us, and headphones that 116 00:07:26.319 --> 00:07:32.079 played these pre recorded messages of instruction. We were eventually 117 00:07:32.920 --> 00:07:37.680 forced to take a sedative and as a night went on, 118 00:07:37.920 --> 00:07:41.399 things just got worse and worse, and we realized it's 119 00:07:41.439 --> 00:07:45.879 not a robbery. And I was told that I would 120 00:07:45.920 --> 00:07:49.160 be taken for forty eight hours where Aaron would have 121 00:07:49.160 --> 00:07:50.800 to complete some tasks for my return. 122 00:07:53.360 --> 00:07:58.600 What was part of the these intruders instructions were not instructions, 123 00:07:58.639 --> 00:08:00.639 but some of the things that they said in terms 124 00:08:00.680 --> 00:08:01.959 of monitoring you. 125 00:08:05.720 --> 00:08:12.120 The kin efforts had set up constraints to force my compliance. 126 00:08:12.199 --> 00:08:15.040 Though One of them was playing a mirroring app on 127 00:08:15.120 --> 00:08:16.839 my phone which would allow them to see and I 128 00:08:16.879 --> 00:08:20.199 text my visits or outgoing calls. They also had set 129 00:08:20.240 --> 00:08:24.759 up my house up a home prison where they have 130 00:08:24.879 --> 00:08:28.759 put a camera that would give them by speed what 131 00:08:28.879 --> 00:08:31.639 I was doing, and I needed to stay within the 132 00:08:31.639 --> 00:08:37.559 confines of that camera's view. The threats were if I 133 00:08:37.600 --> 00:08:40.000 went to the police, they would kill Denise. If I 134 00:08:40.000 --> 00:08:44.279 didn't comply, they would hurt den eath or just as important, 135 00:08:44.320 --> 00:08:46.320 they would hurt my family as they knew where my 136 00:08:46.399 --> 00:08:47.360 parents had lived. 137 00:08:50.159 --> 00:08:55.200 They also said that they talked about your ex girlfriend Jennifer. 138 00:08:55.399 --> 00:09:00.360 What was it that they asked regarding Jennifer and niece. 139 00:09:02.320 --> 00:09:06.159 Yes, there was a moment at the beginning of the 140 00:09:06.159 --> 00:09:09.000 home invasions. I were in my master closet, but they 141 00:09:09.080 --> 00:09:12.799 eventually separated the two of us, and at one moment, 142 00:09:12.879 --> 00:09:16.559 the person that we called a voice came back to 143 00:09:16.600 --> 00:09:21.320 the closet and asked me if if Denise and my 144 00:09:21.440 --> 00:09:26.320 ex Jennifer look alike, and they gave out a long, 145 00:09:26.399 --> 00:09:29.240 guttural sigh and I said yes, they both have long 146 00:09:29.279 --> 00:09:34.799 blonde hair. He replied that this was intended for my 147 00:09:34.879 --> 00:09:37.399 ex and they got the wrong intel and they needed 148 00:09:37.399 --> 00:09:40.840 to side what they're going to do next, which we 149 00:09:40.879 --> 00:09:44.879 had hoped maybe they would just leave because they hadn't 150 00:09:44.879 --> 00:09:50.320 seen their faces, they had covertly got in, and because 151 00:09:50.320 --> 00:09:55.919 it wasn't intended for Denise, maybe they'll less go. Unfortunately, 152 00:09:56.480 --> 00:09:58.000 they came back and told me that they were going 153 00:09:58.039 --> 00:10:00.440 to take Denise for forty eight hours because they leads 154 00:10:00.919 --> 00:10:04.519 would be good practice for their group, which was a 155 00:10:04.559 --> 00:10:11.600 black market operation that could get people personal and financial debts, 156 00:10:12.080 --> 00:10:14.360 for people to hire for personal and financial debts. So 157 00:10:15.000 --> 00:10:18.440 they were going to take deneth practice their protocols, and 158 00:10:18.480 --> 00:10:22.519 I would need to pay money than the seventeen thousand 159 00:10:22.519 --> 00:10:23.559 dollars to get hurt back. 160 00:10:25.919 --> 00:10:28.960 And how did they make these arrangements? What were their 161 00:10:29.080 --> 00:10:33.120 planned arrangements to be able to get this money? 162 00:10:34.000 --> 00:10:37.480 Yeah, so the kin Evers had been stocking me for 163 00:10:37.559 --> 00:10:40.799 at least half a year. Part of reason once they 164 00:10:40.840 --> 00:10:44.759 said they confused Denise and my ex was that months 165 00:10:44.799 --> 00:10:47.320 ago they had found a piece of mail addressed to 166 00:10:47.759 --> 00:10:50.639 my ex fiancee who and that tells us that they 167 00:10:50.639 --> 00:10:53.720 had been my house long before, because then they all 168 00:10:53.720 --> 00:10:58.639 had stopped at least half a year before this. They 169 00:10:58.759 --> 00:11:01.440 actually knew my final ancel records, they knew where I bank, 170 00:11:01.840 --> 00:11:08.000 they knew my social Security number, and so at this 171 00:11:08.080 --> 00:11:10.600 point I had about twenty thousand in my bank account 172 00:11:10.639 --> 00:11:13.000 at the time, and so they wanted two payments of 173 00:11:13.000 --> 00:11:17.320 eighty five hundred to maintain or to stay under the 174 00:11:17.360 --> 00:11:22.639 mandated that will reporting limit. In turn, I think it's 175 00:11:22.840 --> 00:11:25.039 a fairly smart design because they wanted it to be 176 00:11:25.080 --> 00:11:28.559 a self contained, forty eight hour event. You know, obviously 177 00:11:28.559 --> 00:11:30.879 if they asked for any amount of money, I would 178 00:11:31.080 --> 00:11:33.559 be given them to get Denise back. But if they 179 00:11:33.600 --> 00:11:35.879 asked for a couple of million dollars, one I don't 180 00:11:35.879 --> 00:11:39.480 have it, and two that would require a lot more paperwork. 181 00:11:40.279 --> 00:11:43.879 So internity, they wanted something quick, access to the money 182 00:11:43.919 --> 00:11:46.320 and then get away with it. 183 00:11:48.480 --> 00:11:52.639 Did they talk about their operation whatsoever? 184 00:11:55.600 --> 00:12:03.320 Yeah, go ahead, go ahead, Yeah, I. 185 00:12:03.240 --> 00:12:06.000 Was just going to say. And when I was in captivity, 186 00:12:07.159 --> 00:12:10.960 that's when the man who was with me during that 187 00:12:11.000 --> 00:12:18.039 forty eight hours, he would describe what that organization was. 188 00:12:18.240 --> 00:12:22.159 And the same thing Aaron said about it being a 189 00:12:22.240 --> 00:12:25.799 black market startup company that someone could hire to spell 190 00:12:25.960 --> 00:12:29.799 personal or financial debts. They said, they've done this before, 191 00:12:30.200 --> 00:12:34.559 and you know, they are really sophisticated in technology and 192 00:12:34.600 --> 00:12:39.759 the psychological effects of victims, and so you know, they 193 00:12:40.039 --> 00:12:44.759 even after the release, will know with the victim appears 194 00:12:44.799 --> 00:12:47.480 to be wanting to speak to the police, and have 195 00:12:47.559 --> 00:12:50.480 taken measures to prevent that from happening, like threatening a 196 00:12:50.519 --> 00:12:55.440 family member. And I mean there's a lot of things 197 00:12:55.440 --> 00:12:58.240 along the way that just indicated how well thought out 198 00:12:58.320 --> 00:13:03.320 and planned this was. It is quite obvious that they 199 00:13:03.399 --> 00:13:06.879 knew what they were doing, and that they would follow 200 00:13:06.919 --> 00:13:07.679 through with any of. 201 00:13:07.600 --> 00:13:14.639 Those stretchs with this with Denise going to be kidnapped 202 00:13:14.679 --> 00:13:18.000 and separated from you, and you even heard the car startup, 203 00:13:18.159 --> 00:13:22.919 and you say even the trunk being closed. How did 204 00:13:22.960 --> 00:13:26.679 they How did this group tell you that they were 205 00:13:26.679 --> 00:13:30.480 going to plan for you to comply? What were those 206 00:13:30.799 --> 00:13:34.120 assurances for them that you would comply with their orders? Well, 207 00:13:34.440 --> 00:13:38.639 they took Denise for this forty eight hours. 208 00:13:38.799 --> 00:13:41.679 So they had installed a mirroring app on my phone 209 00:13:41.799 --> 00:13:44.000 that would allow them to see my text messages and 210 00:13:45.159 --> 00:13:47.679 phone calls them. Then they also had installed a camera 211 00:13:47.720 --> 00:13:49.799 that would allow them to see me within my home. 212 00:13:50.720 --> 00:13:53.919 I was instructed to keep the blind shot if anyone 213 00:13:54.000 --> 00:13:56.080 tried to come to my house and they redirect them. 214 00:13:57.480 --> 00:14:00.679 And they were also going to monitor me when I 215 00:14:00.720 --> 00:14:03.279 went to the bank. So they had taken Denise in 216 00:14:03.399 --> 00:14:05.679 my car, but they had told me that they would 217 00:14:05.879 --> 00:14:08.679 transfer her to a different car in the morning. They 218 00:14:08.679 --> 00:14:11.240 would give me instruction on where to find my car. 219 00:14:12.759 --> 00:14:15.639 We found out later that they actually they had a 220 00:14:15.679 --> 00:14:18.320 high powered drone and they had put red tape on 221 00:14:18.360 --> 00:14:21.639 top of my car that would allow them to follow 222 00:14:21.679 --> 00:14:23.480 me with a drone. As I went to the bank. 223 00:14:26.679 --> 00:14:30.000 Now, given the warnings that they gave you not to 224 00:14:30.080 --> 00:14:32.960 contact police and that you were being monitored, do you 225 00:14:33.039 --> 00:14:37.120 believe that they were watching you constantly? What did you 226 00:14:37.240 --> 00:14:39.200 decide to do and why? 227 00:14:42.440 --> 00:14:45.279 As one of the perpetrators brought me down to my 228 00:14:45.399 --> 00:14:47.720 living area where I was supposed to stay for forty 229 00:14:47.759 --> 00:14:53.919 eight hours, as we're crossing the kitchen tile, electronic dunge 230 00:14:54.159 --> 00:14:59.519 sound coming from the corner, and I knew right away 231 00:14:59.559 --> 00:15:03.039 if that sound kept going for forty eight hours that 232 00:15:03.039 --> 00:15:08.480 I would lose my mind. And I asked them if 233 00:15:08.600 --> 00:15:12.639 it would continue to make that noise the entire time, 234 00:15:13.840 --> 00:15:16.600 and then he made a mistake of saying that they 235 00:15:16.600 --> 00:15:18.840 weren't allowed to get into my router, or they weren't 236 00:15:19.200 --> 00:15:21.919 they were unable to get into my router and turn 237 00:15:21.960 --> 00:15:24.240 they were loading the camera through Wi Fi and by 238 00:15:24.279 --> 00:15:29.159 the morning that pounds just stop once the camera's fully loaded. However, 239 00:15:29.240 --> 00:15:32.679 I had passed out with the dude seative after they 240 00:15:32.679 --> 00:15:36.679 had taken denise. Eventually, they will stay awake by eleven 241 00:15:36.840 --> 00:15:39.679 thirty that morning, and the camera continued to make that 242 00:15:39.759 --> 00:15:45.519 noise whenever I moved. Finally, the kidnappers as they community 243 00:15:45.519 --> 00:15:49.360 came through text messers and emails said that I would 244 00:15:49.399 --> 00:15:51.120 drop the money off Tuesday night and they would turn 245 00:15:51.200 --> 00:15:55.279 Denise Wednesday morning. And I started thinking that if I 246 00:15:55.519 --> 00:15:57.480 came with the money, they would take me as well 247 00:15:57.480 --> 00:16:01.399 and kill us both and the camera continue to make 248 00:16:01.440 --> 00:16:05.360 that noise. So maybe it wasn't operating fully and I 249 00:16:05.399 --> 00:16:09.679 needed to risk gain help because I can't trust these 250 00:16:09.679 --> 00:16:13.960 guys anymore. And that's when I I thought nine one 251 00:16:13.960 --> 00:16:16.440 one wasn't an option because I could still probably see 252 00:16:16.519 --> 00:16:18.480 what if I was making phone calls. So I called 253 00:16:18.559 --> 00:16:24.120 my brother, who's an FBI special agent, and I made 254 00:16:24.120 --> 00:16:27.279 a decision add to lie some how. My brother's supposed 255 00:16:27.279 --> 00:16:30.679 to come over and maybe avoid any serious hanson Denise. 256 00:16:32.000 --> 00:16:34.159 My brother told me to call nine one one because 257 00:16:34.159 --> 00:16:36.519 they needed to. We needed the full force of law 258 00:16:36.559 --> 00:16:41.080 enforcement behind behind us to help find Denise, and unfortunately 259 00:16:41.919 --> 00:16:43.320 the police made everything worse. 260 00:16:45.320 --> 00:16:49.519 Yes, you you write about that. Immediately after you tell 261 00:16:49.679 --> 00:16:53.720 your story to police, you know, you recognize that they 262 00:16:53.919 --> 00:16:59.399 are believing and accusing you of killing Denise, and they're 263 00:16:59.440 --> 00:17:05.400 talking in that way, I aren't they. 264 00:17:04.599 --> 00:17:10.079 Please for accusatory. From basically the start, I always knew 265 00:17:10.079 --> 00:17:11.680 that they would look at me as a suspect. 266 00:17:11.680 --> 00:17:12.079 They should. 267 00:17:12.119 --> 00:17:15.000 I'm the last person to see Denise. I didn't realize 268 00:17:15.000 --> 00:17:18.160 that I was going to be the only suspect. And 269 00:17:18.319 --> 00:17:21.559 they stripped me down, put me in prison clothes, took 270 00:17:21.599 --> 00:17:25.039 pictures of me naked, kept me in a terrogation room 271 00:17:25.119 --> 00:17:30.799 with no clock, no access to the bathroom without them watching, 272 00:17:31.799 --> 00:17:35.480 separate from my family. And so for the next eighteen hours, 273 00:17:35.480 --> 00:17:39.839 a I aggressively interrogated me, saying that the story I 274 00:17:39.880 --> 00:17:43.359 was saying was too bizarre to be believable. And they 275 00:17:43.440 --> 00:17:45.680 know I killed Denise, and I can either say it's 276 00:17:45.680 --> 00:17:49.279 an accident, or if I keep denying it, they'll paint 277 00:17:49.279 --> 00:17:50.799 me as a cold, calculated monster. 278 00:17:53.880 --> 00:18:00.960 And meanwhile, you are absolutely concerned about Denise and also 279 00:18:01.160 --> 00:18:04.160 feeling guilty that you've made this decision to call police, 280 00:18:04.480 --> 00:18:09.480 contrary to what the abductors had cautioned you not to do. 281 00:18:09.720 --> 00:18:12.279 I knew once I called the police at the clock 282 00:18:12.400 --> 00:18:14.640 was ticking. I mean, the clock was already taken. Once 283 00:18:14.640 --> 00:18:18.799 you took then took her in my car. Sous in 284 00:18:18.799 --> 00:18:22.880 this impossible situation of trying to convince the police to 285 00:18:23.039 --> 00:18:29.359 investigate and try to save her while they're aggressively going 286 00:18:29.359 --> 00:18:32.000 after me, So I can't alienate them because I need 287 00:18:32.039 --> 00:18:36.720 their help. But also I don't want to be in 288 00:18:36.759 --> 00:18:45.359 that room being psychologically tortured as well, and the difficult 289 00:18:45.400 --> 00:18:49.599 describe unless you've been in there. But they are trained 290 00:18:49.599 --> 00:18:54.160 professionals trying to get a confession because they were convinced 291 00:18:55.319 --> 00:18:59.079 that I had killed her. There was no other option 292 00:19:01.640 --> 00:19:04.880 and turn we found out later that they they had 293 00:19:05.440 --> 00:19:09.079 evidence and phone calls that will let him to Deneath 294 00:19:09.839 --> 00:19:13.279 that day, but they ignored. 295 00:19:12.920 --> 00:19:21.599 All of it. Now, Denise, while Aaron is worried, and 296 00:19:21.039 --> 00:19:26.920 Aaron is in now being questioned like he's a suspect, 297 00:19:27.119 --> 00:19:29.480 take us to what happens to you you're on this 298 00:19:29.599 --> 00:19:33.960 car ride. Tell us how they keep you unaware of 299 00:19:34.039 --> 00:19:39.319 where you are and not able to identify your what 300 00:19:39.359 --> 00:19:42.119 you call the voice the person that has abducted you. 301 00:19:42.960 --> 00:19:45.200 Tell us about your ordeal and what happens when you 302 00:19:45.240 --> 00:19:46.599 get to the location. 303 00:19:49.599 --> 00:19:53.680 Yeah, so, I when I was placed in the trunk 304 00:19:53.720 --> 00:19:58.200 of the car, I was still blindfolded and bound. Also 305 00:19:58.279 --> 00:20:00.559 the saidatives we were forced to take for starting to 306 00:20:00.680 --> 00:20:05.519 kick in. They had me in the trunk of a 307 00:20:05.559 --> 00:20:11.079 car for hours to where my body became numb and 308 00:20:11.119 --> 00:20:16.119 I was in and out of consciousness. So I you know, 309 00:20:16.200 --> 00:20:19.119 by the time we got to the location where we 310 00:20:19.160 --> 00:20:22.720 were at, I knew, you know, it had been hours, 311 00:20:22.799 --> 00:20:27.799 but but couldn't be sure how many. Anytime in that 312 00:20:27.920 --> 00:20:32.839 next two days, uh, that the voice would come in. 313 00:20:33.039 --> 00:20:39.359 I had to be blindfolded, so I never saw him, 314 00:20:39.519 --> 00:20:44.160 you know, but he, uh the first day, had said 315 00:20:44.200 --> 00:20:46.880 because this wasn't meant for me, they didn't have any 316 00:20:46.920 --> 00:20:49.920 information on me to hold against me, and so it 317 00:20:50.000 --> 00:20:53.559 was decided that one of them him would have to 318 00:20:53.599 --> 00:20:56.160 have sex with me and it would have to be recorded, 319 00:20:56.359 --> 00:21:00.119 so that way, in the event of my release, if 320 00:21:00.440 --> 00:21:02.000 they thought I was going to speak to the police, 321 00:21:02.200 --> 00:21:06.279 they would release it on the internet. And again because 322 00:21:06.359 --> 00:21:14.880 that it needed to look to my consensual and that 323 00:21:15.039 --> 00:21:18.559 first assault, I still have these blacked out swim goggles 324 00:21:18.559 --> 00:21:21.000 on and thought this is not going to look consensual. 325 00:21:21.119 --> 00:21:23.000 And of course the next day he said it, you know, 326 00:21:23.079 --> 00:21:27.319 the video footage wasn't good enough or believable enough. For 327 00:21:27.359 --> 00:21:31.079 the next time, he taped my eyes shut and said 328 00:21:31.079 --> 00:21:33.480 I had to perform in a way that made it 329 00:21:33.519 --> 00:21:35.960 seem like we were a couple, and I had to 330 00:21:36.359 --> 00:21:39.359 get a kiss, and he had to do I had 331 00:21:39.359 --> 00:21:44.640 to do and say things God, and so I did 332 00:21:44.720 --> 00:21:48.359 because I one didn't want it to happen again. And too, 333 00:21:48.400 --> 00:21:51.519 they had complete power over me, so I knew it 334 00:21:51.559 --> 00:21:53.720 was going to happen one way or another, and I 335 00:21:53.759 --> 00:21:58.000 was just trying to minimize the violence and the trauma 336 00:21:58.240 --> 00:22:03.599 of it all. But you know, in the end, he 337 00:22:05.240 --> 00:22:09.079 did release me. By the end of that forty eight hours, 338 00:22:09.079 --> 00:22:10.920 he told me that Aaron had gone to the police 339 00:22:10.920 --> 00:22:14.599 and the media was reporting it. But it didn't scare them, 340 00:22:14.799 --> 00:22:18.880 to scare them or worry them. They thought it would 341 00:22:18.920 --> 00:22:22.000 be good pr for the group that they're able to, 342 00:22:22.720 --> 00:22:28.000 you know, fulfill this this quote unquote mission without harming 343 00:22:28.119 --> 00:22:34.759 the victim. And yeah, I mean, and I mean the 344 00:22:34.799 --> 00:22:37.920 whole time in today's captivity, I kept telling him, I 345 00:22:38.000 --> 00:22:41.400 believe that you're gonna kill me, and I was making 346 00:22:41.440 --> 00:22:44.839 peace of the end of my life. And so I was. 347 00:22:46.200 --> 00:22:49.079 I was in shock that he actually did follow through 348 00:22:49.119 --> 00:22:50.240 with releasing me. 349 00:22:52.079 --> 00:22:55.160 You were finally released, and you didn't know even though 350 00:22:55.200 --> 00:22:58.000 he kept assuring you that they were not to hurt you, 351 00:22:58.079 --> 00:23:00.799 they he would not hurt you. He had those assurances 352 00:23:00.799 --> 00:23:03.359 that you would not be heard you were finally released. 353 00:23:04.640 --> 00:23:07.960 We won't go into the circumstances when you were released 354 00:23:07.960 --> 00:23:10.200 and how the police get to you right away, but 355 00:23:11.480 --> 00:23:14.519 suffice to say that when you speak to police now 356 00:23:14.559 --> 00:23:19.839 that they had accused Aaron of this, of your kidnap 357 00:23:19.880 --> 00:23:24.359 and murder, now that police realize that you are free, 358 00:23:26.880 --> 00:23:30.920 you recount your story to them. What is their response 359 00:23:31.000 --> 00:23:33.240 to your story once you've been released. 360 00:23:34.920 --> 00:23:38.559 Yeah, Well, it was clear later on because the second 361 00:23:38.640 --> 00:23:41.359 day of captivity, I was forced to record a proof 362 00:23:41.359 --> 00:23:45.799 of life. And by the way, when I was still 363 00:23:46.160 --> 00:23:48.440 in captivity, the way that the police spoke to my 364 00:23:48.519 --> 00:23:51.200 family and the text questions that they had, they even 365 00:23:51.240 --> 00:23:55.079 mentioned the gone girl thing, it was clear just because 366 00:23:55.079 --> 00:23:58.440 I was alive that they believed that this was a hoax. 367 00:23:59.240 --> 00:24:03.799 So before even me being released, it was clear that 368 00:24:03.839 --> 00:24:07.359 was a decision. I was released in my hometown in 369 00:24:07.440 --> 00:24:13.920 Huntington Beach, California, and I spoke to the local police 370 00:24:15.279 --> 00:24:18.720 within an hour or so. I was at a neighbor 371 00:24:18.720 --> 00:24:21.319 of my dad and I told them about the home 372 00:24:21.359 --> 00:24:24.599 invasion and the kidnapping, and the whole time I'm speaking 373 00:24:24.680 --> 00:24:27.440 to them, I'm worried about what might be released publicly, 374 00:24:28.400 --> 00:24:33.279 as especially as media was gathering outside, because before I 375 00:24:33.400 --> 00:24:36.079 was let go, the voice had said, you know, you're 376 00:24:36.119 --> 00:24:38.279 going to have to speak to the police, and went 377 00:24:38.319 --> 00:24:41.279 to the police. You can tell them about what happened, 378 00:24:41.759 --> 00:24:43.480 except you can't say that any one of us is 379 00:24:43.519 --> 00:24:50.039 in the military or anything about the sexual assaults. And 380 00:24:50.079 --> 00:24:52.640 so I had that kind of way over me as 381 00:24:52.640 --> 00:24:55.880 I was speaking to Huntington Beach Police at the end 382 00:24:55.920 --> 00:25:01.240 of it. The first contact that I had with a 383 00:25:01.319 --> 00:25:05.599 Vallet Hoe Police detective Matt Mustard, he told a family 384 00:25:05.640 --> 00:25:09.799 member that he basically he didn't believe me. He was 385 00:25:09.839 --> 00:25:13.680 going to be offering me immunity and he was going 386 00:25:13.759 --> 00:25:15.960 to offer it to me and Aaron, whoever took it first, 387 00:25:16.359 --> 00:25:16.920 would get it. 388 00:25:17.200 --> 00:25:17.559 And so. 389 00:25:19.559 --> 00:25:21.799 That was the indication that I needed a criminal defense 390 00:25:21.799 --> 00:25:24.599 attorney to help protect me. 391 00:25:27.480 --> 00:25:32.200 What about the FBI's involvement in this? I talked about 392 00:25:32.240 --> 00:25:37.759 Valletjo PD and Matt Mustard, But how do the how 393 00:25:37.799 --> 00:25:40.759 and why did the FBI get involved and who do 394 00:25:40.799 --> 00:25:43.759 you both get to speak to in that regard? 395 00:25:46.319 --> 00:25:49.000 During my interrogation, I was told that because of the 396 00:25:49.039 --> 00:25:51.880 adult connecting for ransom, that the FBI would be involved, 397 00:25:52.119 --> 00:25:57.319 and this was maybe twelve hours after I had gone 398 00:25:57.359 --> 00:25:59.559 to the Blehoe police. 399 00:26:00.359 --> 00:26:01.160 They asked at. 400 00:26:01.039 --> 00:26:05.400 One point for me to take up polygraph to eliminate 401 00:26:05.440 --> 00:26:11.000