Speaker 1: Welcome to Clippers Talk.
Speaker 2: I'm Adam Osland. You find the show under that name
Speaker 2: now on the YouTube side. If you've been podcasting it
Speaker 2: for so long on Spotify, as it's been around for
Speaker 2: at least seven years now, you can still find it
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Speaker 2: now on YouTube at clippers Talk. If you've missed some
Speaker 2: of the episodes so far since we started things up
Speaker 2: with the podcasting, we had Andrew gryfon from The La
Speaker 2: Times yesterday, Brian Simo was on last week. Matt Moore
Speaker 2: and me had a drag out fight regarding Paul George
Speaker 2: HP Basketball. Of course that Matt Moore, you might want
Speaker 2: to subscribe just based off of that, but I'd say
Speaker 2: give this episode a try first. See how it fits you,
Speaker 2: see how it works for you, because tonight I think
Speaker 2: I have a good one joining the show right now.
Speaker 2: Is not only an artist on Spotify and a frequent
Speaker 2: analyst on X and a lot of the jam the podcast,
Speaker 2: but he's one of my basketball north stars, someone whose
Speaker 2: opinion holds a lot.
Speaker 1: Of weight as far as I'm concerned.
Speaker 2: It's my friend Jamal Christopher at Jamal Christopher c R
Speaker 2: I S t O p h E R on Instagram
Speaker 2: or at jam Christopher on X Jamal my friends, how
Speaker 2: are we doing it?
Speaker 3: I'm great your part too kind for that, uh that
Speaker 3: intro right there, but I consider you much of the
Speaker 3: same as well. Man. We've been we've been pretty locked
Speaker 3: in for a while. We've done something like this in
Speaker 3: the past, and you're my guy. Man, I'm glad to
Speaker 3: be on and you said it, whether it was right,
Speaker 3: you've got uh I think you got dying coming on
Speaker 3: tomorrow like you're you're doing your thing. So I'm I'm
Speaker 3: I'm just honored to be on, man. So uh yeah.
Speaker 3: Anybody that that shares that clipper passionate like I do.
Speaker 3: It's all good.
Speaker 1: Man, Thank you. I appreciate the love here.
Speaker 2: Needed to have you on early on as I get
Speaker 2: this YouTube series underway here of course, and I heard
Speaker 2: you right into it. Doome Thursday night for the christening,
Speaker 2: the opening ceremony. Not only that you went to the
Speaker 2: show afterwards, you saw the Bruno Mars show. I know
Speaker 2: there was a hiccup. I want all the details on this.
Speaker 2: Was it the face scan technology? Were they able to
Speaker 2: rectify it in a swift manner. How did that go?
Speaker 1: What was it like?
Speaker 3: The experience in general was awesome. Man, that was my
Speaker 3: second time that I had been into it. And yeah,
Speaker 3: you just you just feel the presence of like the Clippers.
Speaker 3: Even with a Bruno Mars concert, there was hiccups. It
Speaker 3: had to do with the face scanning, and it just
Speaker 3: really created like a little log diamer. That's all. It
Speaker 3: really was. Things that I feel will be so it
Speaker 3: out by the by the opening night against the Suns.
Speaker 3: But yeah, I was there. It was cool to see
Speaker 3: some of the Clippers there. I mean, you you would
Speaker 3: like to see like you know, Kawhi and Harden, but
Speaker 3: some Clippers were there. You really felt what it meant
Speaker 3: to be in that moment, right like it was a
Speaker 3: landmark Dave for for Clipper fans and just the franchise
Speaker 3: in general. And it was cool because you had that
Speaker 3: part of things, and then you also had the people
Speaker 3: who had no clue what the Clippers were, didn't even
Speaker 3: care about the Clippers. They were like, it's Bruno. I'm
Speaker 3: trying to hear twenty four carres in there. That's all
Speaker 3: they cared about. So yeah, it was like a mix.
Speaker 3: But I think the biggest takeaway was like everybody was like,
Speaker 3: this arena is crazy. It's crazy, it's awesome. It still
Speaker 3: has that new arena smell. Yeah I'm a Bruno Mars fan,
Speaker 3: so that that added to it. But yeah, every time
Speaker 3: I go back to the end of a dome, it
Speaker 3: just kind of it's it's so crazy when you when
Speaker 3: you factor in like where I sat to witness like
Speaker 3: Clipper games and concerts the last few years, it's a
Speaker 3: it's a difference. Man. The moment you sit in your chair,
Speaker 3: You're like, wow, like this is this is new, this
Speaker 3: is the fresh, this is invigorating. I had a great time,
Speaker 3: and yeah, I'm planning to go back on the twenty third,
Speaker 3: at least I'm trying. I'm trying to get off work now.
Speaker 3: But uh yeah, no, I had a great time man.
Speaker 3: And yeah, to answer the swiftly part, it was it
Speaker 3: was pretty swift. When you're there, it doesn't feel as
Speaker 3: swift because, like you know, you're standing in the line,
Speaker 3: and as you're standing just more people are starting to come.
Speaker 3: You would like for that process to be in and out.
Speaker 3: But like I was talking with my brother about it,
Speaker 3: and the second night of the Bruno Marsh concert, you
Speaker 3: didn't hear much of that at all, And then he
Speaker 3: had they had shows going on this past weekend. You
Speaker 3: didn't hear anything about that at all. Olivia Rodrigo is
Speaker 3: performing there tonight, so I'm assuming that's gonna go over
Speaker 3: swiftly and well, So, yeah, I think that was kind
Speaker 3: of like the first night thing. I mean, I know,
Speaker 3: for me, I expected it because it's like a brand
Speaker 3: new arena, a brand new app. Even just reading about it, right,
Speaker 3: you're just like, what like face scanning, Like this is
Speaker 3: how we're going to do things. It was a brand
Speaker 3: new experience for me, So I I knew if I
Speaker 3: was gonna have like some kind of trepidation regarding it,
Speaker 3: it wouldn't surprise me that there would be hiccups alone way,
Speaker 3: And I think Balmber kind of alluded to it during
Speaker 3: the ribbon ceremony, if I'm not mistaken. So yeah, no, bro,
Speaker 3: it was. It was great, man, it was great.
Speaker 2: I can't wait to go back a little bit of
Speaker 2: patience Clipper Nation, let him work out the kinks. But
Speaker 2: by October twenty third, you would expect it to be
Speaker 2: smoothed out for opening night against the Phoenix Suns.
Speaker 1: It into its home. I need to know this.
Speaker 2: I heard from Brian Seeman late night. He texted me
Speaker 2: at midnight. It was madness. I can't wait to be
Speaker 2: here for a basketball game. What was the sound? What
Speaker 2: was the sound like in the building compared to Crypto,
Speaker 2: compared to other venues. Maybe the Form, which I think
Speaker 2: has really good sound, Crypto not so much. Once the
Speaker 2: crowd fills in, it kind of muffles it. How was
Speaker 2: the sound and into it though? It was a THHX quality.
Speaker 3: Crystal clear and loud? I mean I don't I don't
Speaker 3: really have like a deep dive on that. But other
Speaker 3: than like, it's just loud and you feel you feel
Speaker 3: it like it's it's a much closer I think you
Speaker 3: just said it with the Form. I don't know. If
Speaker 3: you've ever watched the show at the Form versus a
Speaker 3: show at Crypto, you kind of can feel the difference,
Speaker 3: much more intimate. Yeah, it's loud, man, it's jumping, and
Speaker 3: even in that scenario, it's kind of like you I
Speaker 3: don't know, because like you would you would would hope
Speaker 3: that waiting outside uh to get in when damping things
Speaker 3: for people and it didn't. They got in. Once Bruno
Speaker 3: got on, it was loud. Man, that's that was just
Speaker 3: like my biggest takeaway. It was super loud. So yeah,
Speaker 3: what be Seen said is true. Man, I can just
Speaker 3: imagine a Clipper game or a playoff game, especially like dude, like,
Speaker 3: that's that's a real home court advantage right there. So yeah, no,
Speaker 3: super loud, super crystal clear. I had a few drinks
Speaker 3: in me, so you know, thank it with thank you
Speaker 3: for how you want it. But no, it was loud
Speaker 3: and it was great.
Speaker 1: Did Bruno acknowledge the Clippers much?
Speaker 2: Did he's say anything, Hey, I used to be a
Speaker 2: fan of this team, but I might be converted to
Speaker 2: the Clippers now or so.
Speaker 3: He didn't. But what he did acknowledge is he acknowledged
Speaker 3: in the middle of his show he was like, hold up,
Speaker 3: hold up, that we're making California history. We just opened
Speaker 3: it endto a dome. I need everybody to go crazy.
Speaker 3: Da da da, And then towards the end he acknowledged
Speaker 3: he thanks Steve Balmer for giving him the opportunity to
Speaker 3: open it to a So that was real cool, real cool.
Speaker 1: How was the traffic on the way out?
Speaker 2: Where did you park and how quickly were you able
Speaker 2: to hit the freeway to get out of there.
Speaker 3: It wasn't quick. Wasn't quick, but I haven't been so far.
Speaker 3: But it wasn't like, I don't know, like it was
Speaker 3: to be expected. It wasn't quick, but it wasn't like
Speaker 3: super drawn out. I don't I don't know that the
Speaker 3: garage the name of the garage yet that I parked it,
Speaker 3: but it's right by. Uh shit, I forgot. I parked
Speaker 3: there for the tour that I.
Speaker 2: Went on as well, the West Garage.
Speaker 3: Maybe I think that's that might be what it is.
Speaker 3: I would have to look at my emails. But no,
Speaker 3: the traffic was was regular.
Speaker 1: I'll take that.
Speaker 3: Yeah, like like it was, I don't know, like if
Speaker 3: you've been to like a Dodger game, or even if
Speaker 3: you've been to like a Clipper game, to a lesser extent,
Speaker 3: like it's nothing like you can't manage like. I saw
Speaker 3: that on Twitter as well, where people were just like, oh,
Speaker 3: this is just gonna be super packed trying to get out.
Speaker 3: I didn't experience that. I didn't experience that. It wasn't
Speaker 3: like an in and out thing unless you decided to
Speaker 3: like lead the concert early, but like, no, you it
Speaker 3: was pretty pretty smooth, don't.
Speaker 2: People got home in an orderly fashion, nothing too unusual
Speaker 2: or out of the ordinary.
Speaker 1: That's all we want.
Speaker 2: That's all we want.
Speaker 1: Uh.
Speaker 2: What are some of the keys for you within too
Speaker 2: a dome and the difference that's going to be made
Speaker 2: there for Clipper Nation and experiencing basketball at this place.
Speaker 3: For me, the biggest key is going to be the people, man,
Speaker 3: because it falls on us as fans. To me, that's
Speaker 3: the biggest key, right, Like Bomber has done its part right.
Speaker 3: He's created a more h for lack of a better term,
Speaker 3: but he made an environment where you could be more
Speaker 3: into it. And once you once you get there, you'll
Speaker 3: see it. Like even the super high not super high,
Speaker 3: but like even the highest sections you feel like you're
Speaker 3: much closer to the action than you would be at Crypto.
Speaker 3: You've never experienced a basketball game the way you're going
Speaker 3: to experience that into it. Just sitting in my seat
Speaker 3: for the tour, I was like, wow, Like just the
Speaker 3: halo is crazy, and yeah, like every seat in the
Speaker 3: arena you feel like you're on top of the players
Speaker 3: and it just really creates a home court advantage. You know,
Speaker 3: we were saying it felt a little bit like the
Speaker 3: Lone Beach Pyramid. The best ways I could explain it
Speaker 3: is the Lone Beach Pyramid and combined with San Diego State,
Speaker 3: combined with the Utah Jazz That's kind of how it
Speaker 3: looked and felt with the arena. And yeah, I think
Speaker 3: Valmer achieved what he set out to do, which was
Speaker 3: create an environment that incites fans to want to be
Speaker 3: a fan. And I think that's what's what it's going
Speaker 3: to come down to. It's a state of the art,
Speaker 3: billion dollars you go through, you can see your high
Speaker 3: school on the wall, like it. It's crazy. You can
Speaker 3: go on and on about all of the things and
Speaker 3: all of the features of the arena, but if we
Speaker 3: don't bring it as fans when it comes to providing
Speaker 3: that home court advantage for the guys, and it's like,
Speaker 3: you know, but I do think that's going to be
Speaker 3: the biggest key fans night in and night out on
Speaker 3: that Monday night versus the nets. Are you guys going
Speaker 3: to come out and yell to the top of your lungs.
Speaker 3: Because I'm a true believer in home court advantage. I've
Speaker 3: seen Clipper crowds at Crypto very underrated. So I'm excited
Speaker 3: to see what a really good crowd at into It
Speaker 3: is gonna look like. But yeah, it's gonna fall on
Speaker 3: a fant of me. That's gonna be the most important thing.
Speaker 2: I'm gonna make a prediction here based upon what you've said,
Speaker 2: what I heard from Brian Seamen, what I saw when
Speaker 2: I went and visited Okay, because Brian said they had
Speaker 2: six thousand people there for a test run scattered throughout
Speaker 2: the arena, which holds about eighteen thousand in full capacity.
Speaker 2: He said, I believe the decibel level that it got
Speaker 2: up to was one twenty one forty is a jet engine.
Speaker 2: I remember it being one ten up at our Coole
Speaker 2: Arena where I'm from back in the day during the
Speaker 2: Cowbell days and the heyday for the Sacramento Kings was
Speaker 2: see Webb in the curw.
Speaker 1: It was definitely if six.
Speaker 2: Thousand people can create one hundred and twenty decibels near
Speaker 2: the floor, eighteen thousand, I'm gonna say this is gonna
Speaker 2: end up being the new loudest arena when Clipper Nation
Speaker 2: brings it, they're gonna be able to reach magnitudes and
Speaker 2: sound decibels that we haven't heard even in places like
Speaker 2: Okay See that are known.
Speaker 3: To be loud. I don't I don't disagree, and honestly,
Speaker 3: I don't even think it's going to be that hard
Speaker 3: of a feat as long as, like you said, the
Speaker 3: fans bring it. It's like like the little stuff like
Speaker 3: everybody knows now about how there's charges at every seat.
Speaker 3: You go and get something to eat, the game clock
Speaker 3: is right there learning you like, hey, you need to
Speaker 3: get back to your seat. It's really a mecca for basketball.
Speaker 3: It's really incites you to be a fan. And those
Speaker 3: are things that have never pretty much ever been done
Speaker 3: in a basketball arena. So yeah, no, I would see that,
Speaker 3: and I don't disagree at all. I honestly would be
Speaker 3: shocked if we weren't the lotest arena in the league.
Speaker 3: Hopefully our guys come through and provide the product on
Speaker 3: the floor, because we do need that as well to
Speaker 3: make it, you know, work between the fans and the players.
Speaker 3: But no, if if the fans bring it, I don't
Speaker 3: even think he's going to be close. Man, Like maybe
Speaker 3: I'm gassing it a little bit, bro, but like he's
Speaker 3: not lying. Like when I was at the Bruno Marshall, Bro,
Speaker 3: it got so loud and I can just imagine how
Speaker 3: mind you, this is a Clipper arena for like a
Speaker 3: pop star, a Clipper arena for a Clippers basketball game.
Speaker 1: So they had to reconfigure it.
Speaker 2: The wall was down, they had to make it for
Speaker 2: the concert right, right.
Speaker 3: And so and then if I'm not mistaken, for the
Speaker 3: concert venue, you do have to cut out a certain
Speaker 3: amount of seats just for the same in a sense.
Speaker 3: So yeah, man, there's nothing like a basketball venue, a
Speaker 3: venue that was made for basketball and having that basketball
Speaker 3: team that I just I just think this guy's the
Speaker 3: limited in terms of noise noise, noise noise.
Speaker 2: You know, I always say, bring the mother f and
Speaker 2: ruckus come on.
Speaker 3: Man, Like I always say. The loudest game that I've
Speaker 3: ever been to in my life was Game six in
Speaker 3: the Semis in twenty twenty one versus a Jazz. I
Speaker 3: was close enough to where it literally felt like the
Speaker 3: ground was shaky and I can literally see the Jazz
Speaker 3: players like, yeah, you're in. You're in some shit, you
Speaker 3: know what I mean, Like like I think we can
Speaker 3: eclipse that. So yeah, bro, I'm looking forward to him. Man,
Speaker 3: I'm looking forward to him, and guy's the limit in
Speaker 3: terms of the voice that the Clipper fans can bring.
Speaker 2: For sure, I know a guy on good authority that
Speaker 2: can back you up on that being one of the
Speaker 2: loudest games ever at Crypto because big brother Jake Warner,
Speaker 2: the head engineer for the Clippers radio station. He's also
Speaker 2: worked for the Lakers in the past.
Speaker 1: He has worked he continues to work with the La Kings.
Speaker 2: He's seen Stanley Cup final games there, he has seen.
Speaker 2: He was at Game seven Lakers Boston.
Speaker 1: He said, the.
Speaker 2: Only game he'll be on the pod soon. The only
Speaker 2: game that was louder, that got louder in that arena
Speaker 2: that he could remember was Kobe's final game again also
Speaker 2: against Utah in twenty sixteen.
Speaker 1: That's it.
Speaker 2: That's it outside that it's game six, Clippers coming back
Speaker 2: down twenty five. Terrence Man with thirty nine against Utah
Speaker 2: to advanced in the Western Commerce Finals.
Speaker 3: No, you know, to be fair, that was like the
Speaker 3: first home game in which what was it like COVID
Speaker 3: had kind of lifted a little bit and.
Speaker 1: It still wasn't full capacity.
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, that's it wasn't full capacity. But like I
Speaker 3: just remember the Mavericks had like sell our crowds and
Speaker 3: then we had like cut out cardboard fans and then
Speaker 3: Game six was like the first game where we could
Speaker 3: actually have like a decent showing in terms of fans,
Speaker 3: and we brought it that night, and so yeah, I
Speaker 3: think we can eclipse that easy so Withinto It. So yeah,
Speaker 3: I'm excited. Man.
Speaker 2: I think I saw the cardboard cutout from three minutes
Speaker 2: of a Baby and the jazz.
Speaker 1: We're seeing some ghosts then too. That's an old weird rumor. Okay, okay, okay.
Speaker 2: Jamal Christopher is our guest here on Clippers Talk. I'm
Speaker 2: excited for this. I'm excited to have him tonight. We
Speaker 2: still have a lot to get into here. I wanted
Speaker 2: that first hand account of Into It during the first
Speaker 2: concert with Bruno Mars. But I want to go back
Speaker 2: a little bit further before we project and talk about
Speaker 2: this season with some predictions here. Because you had been
Speaker 2: for so long, Jamal one of the good soldiers for
Speaker 2: Paul George, battling people online that were overly negative about him,
Speaker 2: talking about his inconsistencies, talking about his playoff lows. You
Speaker 2: would stand up for him, and you would bring up
Speaker 2: how nobody talks about Damian Lillard and some of his
Speaker 2: playoff low points. Nobody talks about Jimmy Butler and that
Speaker 2: series he had what in twenty one or twenty two
Speaker 2: against Milwaukee, and you would defend George.
Speaker 1: When did you turn?
Speaker 2: Was it after the playoff series against Dallas where you
Speaker 2: just couldn't defend it anymore? Or was it the day
Speaker 2: of where after everyone knew he was leaving and it
Speaker 2: was obvious and the Clippers put out that statement that
Speaker 2: they're no longer pursuing bringing back Paul George. You ethered
Speaker 2: him on X something good.
Speaker 3: You can lie that was one.
Speaker 1: Hey give yourself credit.
Speaker 3: I have it.
Speaker 2: I have it right here. And if you wouldn't mind,
Speaker 2: if you wouldn't mind, Jamal, would you mean, I don't know,
Speaker 2: do this a cappella and spit this verse here because
Speaker 2: it's a parody of Meet the Grams by Kendrick Lamar,
Speaker 2: and you adapted it and you put it in terms
Speaker 2: and in lyrics for.
Speaker 1: About Paul George regarding him leaving. I don't know.
Speaker 2: If not, you're gonna have to make the corny white
Speaker 2: guy do it. Nobody wants to hear that. Nobody wants
Speaker 2: to hear that.
Speaker 3: I can. I'll do it. I just got to get
Speaker 3: my phone because I can't see it.
Speaker 2: I don't know if I can make this any bigger here.
Speaker 2: This is at jam Christopher. It only got one point
Speaker 2: six million views here and Jamal right afterwards doing the
Speaker 2: laughing emojis, and I know it was okay, here we go,
Speaker 2: here we go.
Speaker 3: Yeah, say, well, you know you got to have the
Speaker 3: whole Kendrick the grand Uh playing in the background.
Speaker 1: Hold on, I can get that. I can get that.
Speaker 1: I can get that.
Speaker 2: Yeah, you tell me if you hear it, and tell
Speaker 2: me if it's too loud or not, because for.
Speaker 1: Whatever reason, we'll let me hear the music.
Speaker 3: Tell me if you hear this, Yeah, I can hear it.
Speaker 1: Is that is that appropriate?
Speaker 3: Levels? Yeah?
Speaker 2: Okay, you got eighteen seconds here to get this in
Speaker 2: based upon the mix you put up yourself.
Speaker 1: So this is an.
Speaker 2: Eighteen second instrumental that you're going to have to perform
Speaker 2: over here, Jamal.
Speaker 1: Starting in three two, you lied.
Speaker 3: About the Heavy Queens. You lied about you lied about
Speaker 3: the getting back and where you want to retire at.
Speaker 3: You lied about the battle cards. You lied about the
Speaker 3: point guard.
Speaker 4: You lied about the benefits, you lie about the bully,
Speaker 4: you lied, Meet the Georges.
Speaker 2: Thank you for iterritating me there and indulging the audience.
Speaker 2: I just I had to hear it because it is
Speaker 2: an all timer. Again, it's got almost two million views.
Speaker 2: Paul George has likely seen this.
Speaker 1: I'm not kidding.
Speaker 2: This is something Dallas Rutherford, one of the guys, may
Speaker 2: have stumbled upon from his podcast.
Speaker 1: But you went in hard.
Speaker 3: I know.
Speaker 2: Some of that was just having some fun with it
Speaker 2: and we got to laugh to stop from crying sometimes
Speaker 2: as Clippers fans. So it was it was well put,
Speaker 2: it was well taken. But was there is there that
Speaker 2: much animosity from you towards Paul Jeory now as as
Speaker 2: things completely flipped with him going to Philly.
Speaker 3: Nah, not not to that extent like you said. I
Speaker 3: was just I was just doing my thing for me.
Speaker 3: I and my brother were backing me up. I thought
Speaker 3: Paul George was leaving for a while months prior to
Speaker 3: him actually leaving. I was one of the guys who
Speaker 3: believed that he had a max offer out there, and
Speaker 3: I always said, you know, Paul George is thirty four
Speaker 3: years old and You're gonna have to show me a
Speaker 3: thirty four year old willingly passing up that full max
Speaker 3: that the Sixers were offering, not to mention, not to
Speaker 3: mention that it was towards a contender. So it was like, yeah, bro,
Speaker 3: if the sister think is real, I think he's out
Speaker 3: of there. And so I thought I thought he was
Speaker 3: leaving for a while. But yeah, I don't know. I
Speaker 3: wouldn't say like it was a full turn. I think
Speaker 3: as you can attest to it, when you watch somebody
Speaker 3: every game for like five years, your opinions a lot
Speaker 3: like his game is just kind of like this, right,
Speaker 3: it's just up and down. I do think that that
Speaker 3: this series versus the Mavericks was kind of just like, Okay,
Speaker 3: what are we doing? Like not only is Kawhi hurt,
Speaker 3: but like you are asking for max money and you,
Speaker 3: I mean, he looked terrible. He looked terrible, you know,
Speaker 3: he wasn't even hardened. Was better than him, Zoo was
Speaker 3: better than him, and it's like, what are we doing
Speaker 3: at this Terence Terrence was better than him, and.
Speaker 2: Tucker in the second half of Game six was better, like.
Speaker 3: You know, its just it was just really disheartening. To see.
Speaker 3: It was disheartening to see it in that way. But yeah,
Speaker 3: I used to go to bat for George Man because
Speaker 3: I still do think sometimes he gets an unfair he's
Speaker 3: unfair criticism that comes his way. But and Philly fans
Speaker 3: will soon realize this, a lot of it is warranted.
Speaker 3: And when you watch him every night, what you will
Speaker 3: see that the other fans don't see is the random
Speaker 3: I played forty minutes and I have six points and
Speaker 3: I've shot four times. Why why does that happen? You
Speaker 3: know what I mean? Stuff like that, or the week
Speaker 3: or two where it seems like you're starting to ask,
Speaker 3: is Norman Powell actually better than you? Like? What's going
Speaker 3: on here? And you know you can you can go
Speaker 3: and say Kawhi's injuries, you can say we didn't get
Speaker 3: hardened to start the year. You can say whatever. But
Speaker 3: at the end of the day, the onus is always
Speaker 3: gonna fall on the guys who were on the floor.
Speaker 3: Like I wish Kawhi Leonard was on the floor, he wasn't.
Speaker 3: There's not much you can say about that. But when
Speaker 3: it comes to PG, I just think, man, you know
Speaker 3: in twenty nineteen, the guy that we traded for was
Speaker 3: coming off first Team All NBA twenty eight, twenty nine
Speaker 3: a game, first Team All Defense, third MVP voting, and yeah,
Speaker 3: he wasn't even thirty, so he was like right in
Speaker 3: the middle of his prime. So you figure, if you
Speaker 3: pair him with the Finals MVP, that's worth everything. Just
Speaker 3: give the house. We need to pair those two guys
Speaker 3: up and give it our best shot. And while those
Speaker 3: two guys during that era, they weren't good on the floor,
Speaker 3: but the Paul George that we got and I'm not
Speaker 3: even let's not even talk about the injuries yet because
Speaker 3: that's just unfortunate, bad luck. But when Paul George was
Speaker 3: actually on the floor, we got a really good Jalen
Speaker 3: Brown ish tier player, which is really good. He's really good,
Speaker 3: and I still think he's one of the best players
Speaker 3: in franchise history. But that is not the player we
Speaker 3: traded for. We traded for a guy that is fighting
Speaker 3: for first Team All NBA alongside Kawhi Leonard, and we
Speaker 3: didn't get that, and that had a trickle down effect
Speaker 3: on a lot of things. That is why Harden eventually
Speaker 3: ended up being here. And yeah, it's it's such that
Speaker 3: it ended the way it did. I don't hold too
Speaker 3: much animosity for it because at the end of the day,
Speaker 3: we are the Clippers and this is still a guy
Speaker 3: that as a Clipper was an All NBA, multiple All Stars,
Speaker 3: and yeah for the loan finals, I mean not finals,
Speaker 3: but Western Conference finals apparent he averaged twenty seven a game.
Speaker 3: So that on that note, I am definitely appreciative of PG.
Speaker 3: That's why, like that tweet is like, I'm just doing
Speaker 3: my thing. I'm just getting my jokes off. I kind
Speaker 3: of mean some of it, but like I'm getting my
Speaker 3: jokes off, but it's.
Speaker 1: Truth in the jest.
Speaker 2: But overall, I think I interpreted and everybody interpreted it
Speaker 2: the right way.
Speaker 3: Except PEG fans. They've been But like the thing with
Speaker 3: PG fans, bro, it's like I, depending on what day
Speaker 3: I get on Twitter, is like I either hate Paul
Speaker 3: George or I give Paul George waye too much love.
Speaker 3: Like I've heard both of both sides.
Speaker 2: So it probably means you're being objective hate from everybody,
Speaker 2: You're probably being objective.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I try to be man, especially when it comes
Speaker 3: to Paul George. And it's not because even before the Clippers,
Speaker 3: he was one of my favorite players. And having him
Speaker 3: join the team, it was just like wow, like you know,
Speaker 3: I'm I'm on cloud nine. And yeah, sometimes when you
Speaker 3: when you get to see things up close, it's like,
Speaker 3: this is cool, but this is not what I thought
Speaker 3: it would be. And yeah, it just sucks that it
Speaker 3: ended that way. But yeah, I still hold Paul George
Speaker 3: in high regard, especially or in this Clipper team.
Speaker 2: He deserves again, as Jersey retired at some point out
Speaker 2: of the line by this Clippers organization. How easy would
Speaker 2: it be for you to make the case to make
Speaker 2: the argument that the Clippers got the better end of
Speaker 2: the exchange. With James Harden now being a Clipper and
Speaker 2: Paul George being in Philadelphia, It's almost like there was
Speaker 2: a trade that happened between those two players. How do
Speaker 2: you can you make that case today that James Harden
Speaker 2: is the better player can have the better season.
Speaker 3: I can't. I don't know how much it would matter,
Speaker 3: because at the end of the day, if you asked
Speaker 3: me to answer honestly, as of August twentieth, Paul George
Speaker 3: and the Sixers are in a better position to attempt
Speaker 3: a title chase than we are now. So I don't
Speaker 3: really know how much it would matter. But I think
Speaker 3: it's very clear that James Harden is a better player.
Speaker 3: I said this a few days ago, that there's real
Speaker 3: potential for the Harden and Kawhi duo to be a
Speaker 3: better fit than PG and Kawhi just off of the
Speaker 3: fact that you know Kawhi Leonard. You can make the
Speaker 3: argument Kawhi Leonard has never played with a point guard
Speaker 3: that's good as James Harden. You could argue that Paul
Speaker 3: George is coming off his most efficiencyason ever because of
Speaker 3: James Harden, and James Harden has raised the floor of
Speaker 3: teams even last year in a way that I don't
Speaker 3: even think Paul George has ever done in his career.
Speaker 3: And so he just plays a very high IQ Prize
Speaker 3: every possession brand of basketball. It's like, you know, I
Speaker 3: don't mean to throw shots at Paul George, but when
Speaker 3: the ball is in James Harden or Kawhi's hands, I
Speaker 3: don't think about the ball going into the fifth row
Speaker 3: or doing some like what the kind of pass are
Speaker 3: you throwing?
Speaker 2: You know what I mean, Hey, that's gonna be like
Speaker 2: the tenth throw into it dumb because the seats are
Speaker 2: so much closer.
Speaker 3: There you go, there you go, there you go. So yeah,
Speaker 3: especially after the playoffs last year, I'm not I'm not
Speaker 3: gonna lie. Like during the season, I felt like Paul
Speaker 3: George was our second best scoring option, but I felt
Speaker 3: always that James Harden was our second best player because
Speaker 3: of how he can lift the team, he can make
Speaker 3: plays for Zoo, how he can make plays for Terrence Man,
Speaker 3: how he can make the game easier for Paul George
Speaker 3: and Kawhi, and then in the playoffs, I just thought
Speaker 3: it was just abundantly clear by that point, like, yeah,
Speaker 3: James Harden, if Paul George was as good as he
Speaker 3: was billed, we would have gotten out the first round
Speaker 3: even without Kauahi. Right, So yeah, I think I can
Speaker 3: make the case pretty pretty easily, honestly, that James Harden
Speaker 3: is a better player then Paul George. But then again,
Speaker 3: that just packs a question, like you know, how much
Speaker 3: does that matter? You know what I mean?
Speaker 2: What are because you're higher than most on the Clippers
Speaker 2: coming into this season, at least you were before the
Speaker 2: schedule orally released, that may have changed some things for you.
Speaker 2: But I know you were saying a lot of people
Speaker 2: are sleeping on this team.
Speaker 1: They're better than you realize.
Speaker 2: How much of that is on the growth and development
Speaker 2: of it eats a Zoo boss and Terrence Man now
Speaker 2: having you would assume bigger roles.
Speaker 3: Oh everything, especially Zu, especially Zoo. I'm hired, I'm higher
Speaker 3: than most on the Clippers. Uh, but I do believe
Speaker 3: that without a Zoo leap, it just becomes very tough. Again,
Speaker 3: it goes back to what I said about Paul George.
Speaker 3: When you watch a guy every night, you can kind
Speaker 3: of get a more accurate, like depiction of who he
Speaker 3: is as a player. Same with Zoo. I've watched Zoo
Speaker 3: every game since he'd been a Clipper, and that's been
Speaker 3: easy because he doesn't miss up the time, another reason
Speaker 3: why I love him. But yeah, he's just his offensive
Speaker 3: game every single season. Man just grows the individual stuff
Speaker 3: where you can just throw the ball to Zoo and say, hey,
Speaker 3: we we need we need to belout it's low on
Speaker 3: the shot clock. Uh, just get us a quick two.
Speaker 3: It feels like everything around the rim goes in. He's
Speaker 3: also one of the best defenders in the league. I
Speaker 3: think the second year synergy of Harden and Zoo will
Speaker 3: only be better. So yeah, I have us in like
Speaker 3: the the the sixth of the six to ten range
Speaker 3: going into the season, but that can even go higher
Speaker 3: if we do get a career year from Zoo and
Speaker 3: and again that that is asking a lot, but when
Speaker 3: you watch what he did in the first round last year,
Speaker 3: what him and Harden did in the first round last year,
Speaker 3: I'm all the way in on Zoo. I think Zoo
Speaker 3: has all the reason to be one of the most
Speaker 3: improved players in the league this year. It's same for
Speaker 3: Terrence Man. Law talks about it a lot, how every
Speaker 3: time Terrence Man is given more of a leash, uh
Speaker 3: he produces. And just last year just so happened that
Speaker 3: he ended up being squeezed with Harden and Westbrook, Kawhi,
Speaker 3: Paul George and so he doesn't get the ball as much.
Speaker 3: But this is the year where he's probably gonna be featured.
Speaker 3: So I'm really looking forward to the leak that Terrence
Speaker 3: Man can take as well. One of the best finishes
Speaker 3: in the league, one of the best athletes in the league.
Speaker 3: We're gonna need that, especially with the absence of Russell
Speaker 3: Westbrook in terms of that backcourt pace and in force
Speaker 3: to the rim. That this version of James Harden may
Speaker 3: not provide as much. So yeah, between those two, man,
Speaker 3: if those two pan out the way that I think
Speaker 3: they can, yeah, I think we absolutely are one of
Speaker 3: the more underrated teams in the league going into the year,
Speaker 3: but understandably so because I don't want to sit here,
Speaker 3: sit up here and like live not Replacing Paul George
Speaker 3: makes it much more of a mountain to climb. And
Speaker 3: the steps that you are asking Zoo in terrence to take, wow,
Speaker 3: I think are possible. They are real steps. So that's
Speaker 3: why our range of outcomes to me includes like barely
Speaker 3: you know in the playing almost but I have a
Speaker 3: stop six. I do have a sup six.
Speaker 2: Give me a stat line on averages with the beatsa
Speaker 2: zubos for them to get to that six spot and
Speaker 2: stay out of the playing Are you saying eighteen and eleven,
Speaker 2: sixteen and ten? What do you think it needs to
Speaker 2: average for them to hit their ceiling?
Speaker 1: In your mind?
Speaker 3: What he did in the playoffs, So if I'm not mistaken,
Speaker 3: that was like sixteen and ten, sixteen them eleven, something
Speaker 3: like that. I think what he did in the playoffs
Speaker 3: he can replicate it. This may be some zu Gas,
Speaker 3: But I think that's the player man. I think he
Speaker 3: can do it. I agree. I think it's gonna have
Speaker 3: a lot to do with I saw Shap tweeted it today.
Speaker 3: He was saying, let Zoo go. Twll right, let him go,
Speaker 3: And I think it's gonna have a lot to do
Speaker 3: with like Tie and Kawhi and James to really say, like, hey,
Speaker 3: we really believe you can be our third guy. We
Speaker 3: really this guy as a limit. They've got to trust
Speaker 3: him and feed him. I'm kind of going off the
Speaker 3: rails here, but like feed him like he's joking, bro,
Speaker 3: Like he he has the second best touch in the
Speaker 3: league around the rim other than Jokis, doesn't miss. Like,
Speaker 3: give him the ball and give him as much as
Speaker 3: he can handle and that will make the game easier
Speaker 3: for everyone else. It is time to unleash Zoo. If
Speaker 3: we're gonna do this this year, it is time to
Speaker 3: unleash do And yeah, I'm I'm all on the Zoo train.
Speaker 3: I think the sky is the limit for him. He's healthy,
Speaker 3: he plays every game, one of the best defenders in
Speaker 3: the league in a restricted area. He's money. He's got
Speaker 3: to jump hook now, even if you give it give
Speaker 3: it to him outside of his little range. He's got
Speaker 3: the floater that he can give you. I just think
Speaker 3: the world of Zoo and his abilities, and I just
Speaker 3: think for years we haven't trusted him enough, and I
Speaker 3: think we may be it. We may be in a
Speaker 3: position now where we have to and I think he
Speaker 3: can pay dividence.
Speaker 2: You've had the meet the Graham's parody. I've thought about
Speaker 2: doing a Forgot About dre parody for a beat to
Speaker 2: Zoo boss, because so often they say, oh, this is it,
Speaker 2: We're gonna start getting him more involved, more touches. It
Speaker 2: happens for a game or two, and then it's over
Speaker 2: when Zoo fails. When Zoo has a bad moment or
Speaker 2: possession or two, it's like he gets treated as a
Speaker 2: rookie still. Sometimes he has no built up equity within
Speaker 2: the team or the coaching staff. It feels like I think,
Speaker 2: I think it's gonna be different this season. But over
Speaker 2: the years, with so many with Paul George and so
Speaker 2: many mouths to feed, it has froze him out at times.
Speaker 2: And I can't take it because he's too important. There
Speaker 2: is an easier way to win ball games, and it
Speaker 2: is playing for a Vitza Zubos.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean, you know it was I remember, what
Speaker 3: was it, twenty two twenty three, the year that we
Speaker 3: got Westbrook, and like, you know, right before we got Westbrook,
Speaker 3: we are you know, we got our guys complaining to
Speaker 3: the media like we need a point guard, and Paul
Speaker 3: George is saying the answers Westbrook. He's out there, and
Speaker 3: I'm just like, yeah, okay, but like more of what
Speaker 3: you alluded to, there's an easier way to do this,
Speaker 3: just throwing the ball and let him put out some
Speaker 3: fires the same way he put out fires on the
Speaker 3: defensive end. Yeah. I don't know what it is, man,
Speaker 3: I do know Tylu loves a small ball. He trusted
Speaker 3: Zoo a lot more last year though. But I think
Speaker 3: from a feature standpoint, that's the key right there, right,
Speaker 3: I'm not talking about just playing Zoo more, giving him
Speaker 3: more touches, no, no, no, no, feature him. This is
Speaker 3: one of the star players on the team. He is
Speaker 3: the third best player on the team. Give him the ball,
Speaker 3: and you know this is a guy that what was
Speaker 3: the game against the Pacers, like almost what was it,
Speaker 3: thirty and thirty twenty nine?
Speaker 2: I think he fouled out and didn't get that last rebound.
Speaker 3: Yeah, man, I saw him give Jokic thirty five man
Speaker 3: or in Denver. Come on, man, like Lewis like that man.
Speaker 1: So he's wrecked Yokic.
Speaker 2: He's given him two of his worst shooting games in
Speaker 2: his career, you know.
Speaker 3: And you know they always get us, They always get
Speaker 3: on us about the twenty twenty three to one, But
Speaker 3: the minutes in which Zoo was on the floor with Jokic,
Speaker 3: we won those minutes. Like zu is, He's I don't know, man,
Speaker 3: I don't know. I do feel much better about our
Speaker 3: chances though. If we do get a sixteen seventeen a
Speaker 3: game year out of Zoo, if he has it in him,
Speaker 3: I believe he does. I think that's what's gonna happen.
Speaker 3: I'm gonna go on record and say it. I think
Speaker 3: we're gonna get a career high year from Zoo. And
Speaker 3: if you get enough Kawhi games along with that, James
Speaker 3: Harden more aggression because no Paul George, then yeah, I
Speaker 3: think we can avoid the playing, which to me is
Speaker 3: our goal. That's my goal for the Clippers this year,
Speaker 3: avoid the playing. Getting the playoffs with a healthy Kawhi
Speaker 3: and then all bets are off at that point, you know.
Speaker 2: You put out at Jim Christopher on ax Reese only
Speaker 2: during the Summer League, something to the effect of, I
Speaker 2: think we got one here talking about Jordan Miller.
Speaker 3: What did you mean?
Speaker 1: What did you mean by that? Exactly?
Speaker 2: How much potential do you see in him?
Speaker 3: I love Gas At that point, I was, I was.
Speaker 1: He should have been the MVP of Summer League.
Speaker 3: There was reason to be. He was robbed, man, he
Speaker 3: was rob But you know, when it comes to us
Speaker 3: in our in our picks, man, like we strike out
Speaker 3: so much, and when we strike out, it's not like
Speaker 3: it's not like we, oh, this player didn't pan out.
Speaker 3: These players leave the Clippers and aren't in the league anymore,
Speaker 3: or like these guys can't even get on the floor
Speaker 3: to help us, you know what I mean. Like by
Speaker 3: the end of last year, like our rotation was embarrassingly thin,
Speaker 3: you know what I mean, And we have guys like respectfully,
Speaker 3: I don't I don't want to miss anybody, but like
Speaker 3: Moon's taking up spots. You know, you can't play him
Speaker 3: in a game, you know what I mean. You're not putting,
Speaker 3: You're not putting him in the game. And so I
Speaker 3: know a lot of people like to say, like Kylou
Speaker 3: doesn't trust young guys, and I'm not so sure about that.
Speaker 3: I think more than anything, the young guys that we
Speaker 3: have a lot of times just aren't up to the
Speaker 3: up to the challenge, not good enough. Now I think
Speaker 3: that's starting to turn a little bit. I was really
Speaker 3: encouraged with Jordan Miller because for me, I'm a big
Speaker 3: proponent of like, like I need to see a runaway
Speaker 3: right and dating back, he was awesome in college G
Speaker 3: League dominated. It was legit too easy for him. Got
Speaker 3: in the Summer league dominated, it was too easy for him.
Speaker 3: Now you're like, Okay, this is a guy that we
Speaker 3: can put on the floor and I don't even not
Speaker 3: a star or anything, but like we can put him
Speaker 3: on the floor and spell us for five minutes without
Speaker 3: the game going to shred, you know what I mean. So, yeah, him,
Speaker 3: I think Kobe. I do think Kobe should have got
Speaker 3: a longer lease last year. But I do think Kobe
Speaker 3: as well. And Cam Christy, who I'm I'm super high on.
Speaker 3: I'm a big camp Chrisy guy. Yeah, I think we
Speaker 3: got one with Jordan in terms of finally having young
Speaker 3: guys that we can put out on the floor and
Speaker 3: he can like be solid. But I think I can
Speaker 3: say the same thing for Kobe, and I'm not too
Speaker 3: far off, maybe a year away from saying that with
Speaker 3: Cam Christy. I'm super high on Camp. So yeah, that
Speaker 3: that summer league experience, man, was I don't think I
Speaker 3: can remember a more fun summer league watching Clippers basketball.
Speaker 3: I remember the Semis. I was literally up like it
Speaker 3: was a regular season game, like get a stop to stop,
Speaker 3: you know what I mean? Like I was into it, man,
Speaker 3: No fun. Uh yeah, that was a fun summer funmer did.
Speaker 2: The schedule releaset temper at expectations at all are kind
Speaker 2: of damn for them because sixteen back to backs because
Speaker 2: second toughest strength of schedule.
Speaker 1: Any of these things upset you. I'm a little bit.
Speaker 2: Irked just because first year into a dome, here we go,
Speaker 2: no more afternoon games. Great, but then sixteen back to
Speaker 2: backs and there's another team in LA that has thirteen
Speaker 2: and I don't know, I know someone's pointed out the
Speaker 2: fact that the Lakers have more nationally televised games and
Speaker 2: they're trying to not have those teams play a game
Speaker 2: before that game or the day after that game, and
Speaker 2: that could help them out. But the Clippers have their
Speaker 2: own damn arena, Yes, Renty rent and the Clippers have
Speaker 2: their own home.
Speaker 3: Yeah, exactly, And it's better than don't get me start.
Speaker 2: They got a ten year lead on the next best arena.
Speaker 3: They do it real talk, real talk. Honestly, I can't
Speaker 3: say the back to back shirts me too much. It's
Speaker 3: kind of like it is what it is. I obviously
Speaker 3: wouldn't prefer it. But when they said we had no
Speaker 3: madnee games, I was like, oh, the other shoot has
Speaker 3: to drop, you know what I mean. Like I'm like, oh, no,
Speaker 3: this can't be. This can't be, like like this is
Speaker 3: way too good, you know. So, yeah, I've never been
Speaker 3: a guy other than like the Mad Das and even
Speaker 3: the Mad days, Like I never really gave them too
Speaker 3: much treatence. It wasn't until it actually appeared that it
Speaker 3: started to mess with us. And I'm like, Okay, we
Speaker 3: need to find a way to get out of this
Speaker 3: because we obviously stink in the afternoon. But yeah, I'm
Speaker 3: not a super schedule because like it's the one thing
Speaker 3: you can't change, right, Like it is what it is.
Speaker 3: I'm just looking forward to playing these home games. Is
Speaker 3: that crypto crypto ship into it too? Yeah? Man, and
Speaker 3: seeing the difference. I haven't really took a deep dive
Speaker 3: into the schedule anyway, but yeah, I've never been too
Speaker 3: much of a schedule guy, because it's like, what are
Speaker 3: you gonna do? You know, because like I always say,
Speaker 3: what if it's game eighty two and we're out of
Speaker 3: the playoffs, right and or we're out of we're out
Speaker 3: of the playing or we're into playing right and you're
Speaker 3: looking at it and you're like, how did we get here?
Speaker 3: What are you gonna do? Blame the schedule? Like are
Speaker 3: you fine with saying, hey, our season ended because our
Speaker 3: schedule stunk? Like no, like you know that that's a
Speaker 3: that's a that's a terrible reason to go out, you
Speaker 3: know what I mean? So yeah, I can't place any
Speaker 3: blame on the schedule. Man. It is what it is.
Speaker 3: Lace them up, be a pro. We got enough.
Speaker 1: I like it all right.
Speaker 2: Before we get out of here, I wanted to shift
Speaker 2: for a second because you met one of my eyes before,
Speaker 2: and I have to ask you about this. How'd you
Speaker 2: meet and have a relationship with Mac Miller.
Speaker 3: Oh man, oh man, I could the real story. Yeah yeah, okay,
Speaker 3: first off, rest in peace. Man, that's my dog, Man,
Speaker 3: that's my dog. So this day's back to like twenty ten,
Speaker 3: twenty eleven. It started off. I was just a fan.
Speaker 3: I was. I was a super fan of Mac. Kids
Speaker 3: had dropped, and yeah, I was a super fan. And
Speaker 3: his team at the time, like I said, like eleven,
Speaker 3: they were doing this thing where on Twitter, and they
Speaker 3: were like, why should you be Why are you Mac
Speaker 3: Miller's biggest fan. It's a contest and if you win,
Speaker 3: you could spend a day with Mac blah blah blah
Speaker 3: blah at right, And so after that I emailed him
Speaker 3: and I told him why And I was a super
Speaker 3: fan like I used to Yeah, this is crazy. I
Speaker 3: used to like print out uh CDs of his Kids
Speaker 3: mixtape and pass them out and be like, Yo, listen,
Speaker 3: you guys are sleeping. This guy is the next best thing.
Speaker 3: I was just super mag miillered out. Kids took me
Speaker 3: back to a time in my youth. Man, I'm a
Speaker 3: very nostalgic person, and like, I just thought, he's a
Speaker 3: great rapper and I love this music, and so I
Speaker 3: emailed them back and so then like a few weeks later,
Speaker 3: I get a call from Trej is a guy named
Speaker 3: Trej who's in his team, and he said, hey, man, like,
Speaker 3: you're in the top three of the contest, so again,
Speaker 3: this is your chance. Let us know why we should
Speaker 3: take you, right, And so I let him know and
Speaker 3: then they said, all right, we'll be in touch, and
Speaker 3: then I'll never forget this day. One day, me and
Speaker 3: my brother we were at Target, right, we were at Target.
Speaker 2: Your brother Justin Wilson at La Clippers film, who is
Speaker 2: in fact your brother, right, Because yeah, I gotta say this.
Speaker 1: There was a game last season.
Speaker 2: I don't know which one of you came up and
Speaker 2: talked to me before the game, and I just had
Speaker 2: to play it cool and be like, my guy, goodness
Speaker 2: see you.
Speaker 1: I don't know if it was you or Justin.
Speaker 3: The my guy. My guys. Yeah, man's it's It's happened
Speaker 3: a lot, man throughout our life. But yeah, we're identical.
Speaker 3: That's my brother, my twins. But yeah, I was with him.
Speaker 3: We were in Target, and mac Miller tweeted that he
Speaker 3: was about to go to and still and still it's
Speaker 3: not there anymore. But it's just like retro spot. It
Speaker 3: was this retro spout on the bread where you get
Speaker 3: like really cool retro clothes and stuff. And I used
Speaker 3: to go there all the time. So when he tweeted that,
Speaker 3: I was like, Yo, I'm gonna go meet him. Like
Speaker 3: I'm just gonna go go right, And so we went.
Speaker 3: We went, We sat, we parked right outside, right in
Speaker 3: the front of and still, and we sit there and
Speaker 3: we wait for them to show up. Right like maybe
Speaker 3: thirty minutes past. I tell my brother like, all right,
Speaker 3: were out and it's not gonna happen. And then as
Speaker 3: I'm about to pull off, I see them crossing the streets. Crazy.
Speaker 3: So I said, oh, wow, this is it. And so
Speaker 3: I get out of the car and I go and
Speaker 3: tell him. I was like, yo, what's up man? And
Speaker 3: they were like, Yo, what's up? Man? Who are you?
Speaker 3: And I was like, I'm Jamal. I was top three
Speaker 3: in the contest and they was like, no way, this
Speaker 3: is fate, bro, you won the contest. And I was
Speaker 3: like what, no way? And then so Max was like yo,
Speaker 3: this is and it was so crazy man. So he
Speaker 3: took me inside of the ant still story. He was like, yeah,
Speaker 3: get whatever you want, man, right, So I get whatever
Speaker 3: I want and then he had a show that night.
Speaker 3: It was him and Casey Veglie. They had a show
Speaker 3: that night at the at the Traubeldoor maybe the travel
Speaker 3: Door troupa door and he was like, are you coming
Speaker 3: to the show tonight? And I was like, I don't
Speaker 3: got tickets. He's like, bro, it's me, It's my show.
Speaker 3: If you want to come, you can come. And so
Speaker 3: I was like, yeah, I'm down. He was like all right.
Speaker 3: And then as I'm about to leave, I was like,
Speaker 3: all right, I'll see y'all at the shoulder night. As
Speaker 3: I'm about to leave, Max says, hold up, and then
Speaker 3: he tells his He tells his manager and he was like, yeah,
Speaker 3: we can't do this, like he has to roll with us.
Speaker 3: And I was like what And he was like do
Speaker 3: you have anybody that can take your car? And I
Speaker 3: was like, my brother is in the car. He's like yeah,
Speaker 3: just tell him to take the car and just roll
Speaker 3: with us for the day. And I was like all right,
Speaker 3: this is crazy. This can't be happening. And so we
Speaker 3: my brother takes a car back and I just spend
Speaker 3: the day with Max. From there, we went to eat
Speaker 3: and some spot in Beverly Hills. We were all right
Speaker 3: in inside of a sprinter and we get out of
Speaker 3: the car and he says, everybody got money to eat.
Speaker 3: We all got in the circle. He pulls off this
Speaker 3: big water cash and he just makes sure that everybody
Speaker 3: is good. Go eat whatever you want, whatever, whatever, and
Speaker 3: then we eat. Then we all get back in the sprinter.
Speaker 3: We head back to the hotel. At this point, we're
Speaker 3: just talking about everything in life. Some things I'm not
Speaker 3: gonna even mention that we were talking about. It was
Speaker 3: just crazy.
Speaker 1: For kids or Blue Slide Park.
Speaker 3: Uh no, this was before. This was the around the
Speaker 3: time he was prepping to drop best day ever.
Speaker 2: That's the best day ever for a fan type thing, right.
Speaker 3: So so yeah, he was like it just kind of
Speaker 3: worked out that way. So we get back to the hotel.
Speaker 3: We're unloading his stuff. It was like the first time
Speaker 3: I ever seen, like up close, like a rapper have
Speaker 3: women falling over him. Like we're unloading stuff and the
Speaker 3: girl girls are just driving by. So that was crazy.
Speaker 3: And then we're just chilling at the hotel and then
Speaker 3: we had to leave the hotel to go to soundcheck,
Speaker 3: and then at the show. At the show later that night,
Speaker 3: it was even more crazy because like I'm backstage now
Speaker 3: and you know, there's smoke going on, there's drinks flowing,
Speaker 3: and then Casey Veggie's opened up for Mac Miller. Casey
Speaker 3: Veggie's brought out Don Kennedy and Tyler the creator, so
Speaker 3: they're backstage with us, and yeah, it was just a
Speaker 3: crazy night, man. And so I think after around like one,
Speaker 3: they gave me some money for a taxi and I
Speaker 3: took the taxi home and I think Benji Is it
Speaker 3: was his manager, and Mack was like, Yo, let's just
Speaker 3: keep in touch man, you're a really great guy. And
Speaker 3: I was like, for sure, man, for sure. And so yeah,
Speaker 3: you can see it's it's called mac Miller Funds for
Speaker 3: everyone buying one. It's on YouTube. But yeah, that kind
Speaker 3: of that was the start of it. And then after
Speaker 3: that we just kind of hung out when we could
Speaker 3: not a ton of times because he was always busy,
Speaker 3: but we kept in touch. He heard that my mom
Speaker 3: was sick. He let me know like while he was
Speaker 3: on tour, like before every night they prayed for my mom,
Speaker 3: which I was like, yo, that that was just you know,
Speaker 3: he didn't have to do that, man, you know what
Speaker 3: I mean. But he everything you hear about him in
Speaker 3: terms of being a nice guy. He genuinely isn't great soul,
Speaker 3: a super nice guy. He would always tell me, you know,
Speaker 3: whatever it is you want to do, man, you can
Speaker 3: do it. Man. This world is for the taking, super
Speaker 3: positive guy. And and I miss him, man, I miss him.
Speaker 3: But yeah, that's kind of like the short version of it.
Speaker 3: But yeah he some time. Yeah, yeah, yeah for sure.
Speaker 3: But yeah, Mac is a Mac is a great guy,
Speaker 3: one of my favorite rappers of all time. Going too Soon.
Speaker 3: It's crazy because I feel like as Mac was passing,
Speaker 3: I think the album that he dropped right when he
Speaker 3: passed was Swimming, and I thought that was his best
Speaker 3: body of work. And like you can tell, as he
Speaker 3: got deeper into the tooth of his career, the genres
Speaker 3: that he touched started expanding, like his flows got better,
Speaker 3: like he just kept getting better and better year after year.
Speaker 3: And so, uh, yeah, going too soon, man, But yeah,
Speaker 3: that that's my guy. And I'm proud of say that
Speaker 3: I actually knew him on a semi personal level.
Speaker 1: Man, I appreciate you sharing that I became.
Speaker 2: I'm not gonna lie I was a total casual. I
Speaker 2: listened to kids a lot, but I didn't get deeper
Speaker 2: into his catalog until he died posthumously.
Speaker 1: Then I went through his.
Speaker 2: Entire discography, from like Easy Mac all the way to
Speaker 2: when Faces came out a couple of years ago. And
Speaker 2: I completely understand what you're saying about the maturity and
Speaker 2: sophistication that was coming with his music. I think of
Speaker 2: tracks like Woods in two thousand and nine and Surf
Speaker 2: and Wright and then Colors and Shapes on Faces.
Speaker 1: I was listening to that earlier today.
Speaker 2: I was taking a walk before the podcast here, and
Speaker 2: I was kind of getting nostalgic and wistful and thinking
Speaker 2: about how Max kind of a what if story and
Speaker 2: the Clippers two and three eras of what if story.
Speaker 2: And I think about this girl that I knew, that
Speaker 2: you know, I loved and she loved Mac Miller, and
Speaker 2: I think about that situation. I'm having a moment here,
Speaker 2: but I was thinking about it. I was thinking about
Speaker 2: that I messed things up? Am I a what if?
Speaker 1: Story?
Speaker 2: And then I thought, Man, I just want to be
Speaker 2: on the air when the Clippers win the championship. That's
Speaker 2: all I want. That's all I want to ask and
Speaker 2: I want to talk to Jamal post game.
Speaker 3: You know what it is, Bro, I've come to grips
Speaker 3: with like, I love this Clipper thing way too much.
Speaker 3: It has way too much of a bearing on my life.
Speaker 3: I don't know what I would do if we actually
Speaker 3: won a championship. I have a terrible case of the
Speaker 3: what is when it comes to the Clippers. I've watched
Speaker 3: like Game five of the twenty twenty Western Conference second Round,
Speaker 3: way too many times I've watched I've watched Game six
Speaker 3: versus the Thunder in twenty fourteen, way too many times.
Speaker 3: I've watched Game five versus the Rockets three to one,
Speaker 3: chance to close it on the road. I've watched that
Speaker 3: game way too many times, Like what if we close
Speaker 3: it out? Yeah? I get a bad case of what
Speaker 3: other what if? With the Clippers. So you're not alone? Man,
Speaker 3: You're not alone.
Speaker 1: Oh can't live like that.
Speaker 2: Gotta keep pushing into a domas on the way. It's
Speaker 2: gonna be the best day ever on October twenty third,
Speaker 2: Clippers taking all the Phoenixes to open things up. I
Speaker 2: want to see Jamal Christopher there. Jamal, I know you
Speaker 2: got fifty k followers on Instagram at Jamal Christopher. Is
Speaker 2: there anywhere else you want people to find you? I
Speaker 2: mentioned your music on Spotify. I was listening to some
Speaker 2: of that earlier. I was thinking about the parties over
Speaker 2: two or three hours over. Just give everybody your your
Speaker 2: outlets where to find you.
Speaker 3: You know this, this the party's over, and then what if?
Speaker 3: And you know this is pretty? This is a down man.
Speaker 1: I didn't mean to get happy with it here.
Speaker 3: I didn't mean to No, it's crazy. I appreciate that
Speaker 3: you listen to me listening to my music. I don't
Speaker 3: really even I'm not really even active when it comes
Speaker 3: to music anymore. I haven't done that in a while.
Speaker 1: You should be bad. I was great in your versus.
Speaker 2: You talked about Mike VIVI handle.
Speaker 3: I used to be such a Mike Didby fan. I
Speaker 3: used to be such a Mike Dibby fan. I wanted
Speaker 3: them to win. I don't mean to bring this up
Speaker 3: for you. I know in terms of what is this
Speaker 3: could be probably tough. But like O two lives with
Speaker 3: me a lot. I wanted Mike Dibby to do it
Speaker 3: so bad. As much of a Kobe fan as I was,
Speaker 3: I wanted Mike Dibby to do it.
Speaker 2: He had a shot in Game seven on the near
Speaker 2: side baseline short corner that would have won it before
Speaker 2: it went into overtime. That I think about a lot.
Speaker 2: People don't think about that shot, you know. I talk
Speaker 2: about Game six and the screw drop with the Kings
Speaker 2: in that game and the Lakers game twenty seven free
Speaker 2: throws in the fourth quarter a lot. But they still
Speaker 2: have their opportunities and that I've spent a good part
Speaker 2: of my life on that series.
Speaker 3: Let's just say I can understand. I think about the
Speaker 3: Paijia airball. There's a page airball.
Speaker 2: I think about how people forget Paisia wasn't supposed to
Speaker 2: play in that series.
Speaker 1: He was coming back from an ankle enter.
Speaker 2: I think about how if he didn't play, with how
Speaker 2: good Hito was playing, Oh, they might have won the series.
Speaker 1: Keito was great. Paigea probably should have never played.
Speaker 2: I think he ended up shooting like the last three
Speaker 2: games when he came back in Game five.
Speaker 5: Yeah, yeah, yeah, you gotta give you gotta get credit
Speaker 5: to the Lakers too, Kobe and for a reason, but
Speaker 5: they definitely weren't the better team that year.
Speaker 3: They weren't the better team that year, but that's thing
Speaker 3: they hear not there. Yeah you can, you can. Uh yeah,
Speaker 3: I don't really have many other places, uh to find me.
Speaker 3: On Twitter, it's at jam Christopher uh j A m
Speaker 3: c R I S t O p A t R Instagram,
Speaker 3: Jamal Christopher ja AOVR is sto phdr And Yeah, nowadays
Speaker 3: it's just a lot of just like me living my
Speaker 3: life and people seem to enjoy it and enjoy my takes.
Speaker 3: Some people follow me because they hate my takes, which
Speaker 3: is a weird thing, but I'll take some pay follows
Speaker 3: absolutely absolutely bring it on. Man.
Speaker 1: You know well, I love your analysis. I always have.
Speaker 1: I remember you.
Speaker 2: We got to know each other with you defending me
Speaker 2: from someone coming after.
Speaker 3: Me on EDGs.
Speaker 2: This is probably like six years ago or something like
Speaker 2: that now, but you had my back with the situation. Yeah,
Speaker 2: it's been it's been a little bit. It's been a
Speaker 2: little bit. Maybe it was twenty eighteen somewhere.
Speaker 1: In that area.
Speaker 3: I don't remember.
Speaker 1: It was early in my time with the Clippers. But
Speaker 1: you are you are a basketball compass for me.
Speaker 2: I look towards you for insight, information, for reliably honest
Speaker 2: and objective takes.
Speaker 1: That is Jamal Christopher to me.
Speaker 3: Man, that's uh, that means a lot, man, because I
Speaker 3: share the same sentiments as you do. Someone that's passionate
Speaker 3: about the team, but like passionate about the sport in general.
Speaker 3: So like you know, I look for a healthy dialogue
Speaker 3: when it comes to talk about basketball or the Clippers.
Speaker 3: So I don't even remember defending you, but I probably
Speaker 3: did because I actually rock with you. I used to.
Speaker 3: It's crazy, I used to. I know, I know. I
Speaker 3: always supported you when you went back and forth with coach.
Speaker 3: Whenever you go back and forth with coach, you be
Speaker 3: sonning that man, and ye drink I will.
Speaker 1: I love Ricky G. Ricky G is the OG. Yeah
Speaker 1: I died for that guy.
Speaker 3: Yeah, shout out to Ricky G. But yeah, no, I
Speaker 3: I don't remember actually defending you whatever you're referring to,
Speaker 3: but it sounds about right because I actually do rock
Speaker 3: with you the long way pause and you know you're
Speaker 3: You're a great guy. You do great work. You have
Speaker 3: been for years and yeah, man, genuine people connect with that.
Speaker 2: Let's just say it has something to do with someone
Speaker 2: accusing me of being racist because I don't hire African
Speaker 2: American people as if I'm running a company.
Speaker 1: I don't run a company.
Speaker 2: I don't know what he was coming after before, and
Speaker 2: you were like, dude, what are you talking about?
Speaker 3: What that you know? That sounds like some typical Twitter stuff.
Speaker 3: And you know, I said this a while ago when
Speaker 3: I first got on Twitter. I had to say to myself, like,
Speaker 3: you know, if you make the choice to get on Twitter,
Speaker 3: and especially if you make the choice to get on
Speaker 3: NBA Twitter, You're gonna get some stuff coming at you
Speaker 3: all from all ankles. So you know, it's just part
Speaker 3: of the game and lets you know you're doing something right.
Speaker 2: Sometimes you just got to take a deep breath, hit
Speaker 2: that mute, hit that block, and keep moving, keep pushing.
Speaker 3: Some time with us.
Speaker 1: This has been a joy here.
Speaker 2: Of course, I had to have have you on early
Speaker 2: with this new YouTube series going on on Clippers Talk.
Speaker 2: We'll do this again soon once we get some action,
Speaker 2: once we get some basketball going. But I appreciate your
Speaker 2: perspective on the Bruno Mars concert where the Clippers headed
Speaker 2: to and of course.
Speaker 1: Giving us that verse out loud audibly.
Speaker 3: That's crazy, that's kind of crazy that I did that.
Speaker 3: But no, thank you for having me on. Please have
Speaker 3: me on the game anytime I'm down. Yeah, you just
Speaker 3: say the word. Man, I already know where this thing
Speaker 3: is going to go for you. So I feel honored
Speaker 3: to be to be part of the beginning.
Speaker 2: And by the way, I only asked you about the
Speaker 2: mc miller situation because I want to trust that it
Speaker 2: was you and not Justin Wilson. You guys are fooling
Speaker 2: me like the Morris twins. Now, I didn't only have
Speaker 2: the inside information on mac miller, No, I just I
Speaker 2: still couldn't.
Speaker 1: I was like, I don't know. I just talked to
Speaker 1: Jamal and just start to Justin.
Speaker 3: They're identical twins. What the hell of us say? Hey? Man?
Speaker 3: Like I like I said, it's You're not the first one.
Speaker 3: There was this thing going on on Twitter for a
Speaker 3: while that people thought that I was doing a thing
Speaker 3: where I would retweet myself or tweet myself. They thought
Speaker 3: I was running my Twitter and La Clippers film. And
Speaker 3: then b Seemen tweeted a picture out of me, him
Speaker 3: and my brother and that kind of put it into everything.
Speaker 3: But yeah, that for the longest people then really I
Speaker 3: said it on Twitter for a while, like yeah, like
Speaker 3: that's my brother, and only the people that knew knew
Speaker 3: me in real life understood what I was saying. But
Speaker 3: like you know, a lot of people on Twitter their
Speaker 3: troths man, and so you can tell them one thing
Speaker 3: they don't care about that.
Speaker 2: It's like some people needed to see Buckethead with less
Speaker 2: Claypool in the same place at the same time to
Speaker 2: make sure they're not the same guy.
Speaker 1: Uh, we got that figured out.
Speaker 2: We got that sorted out now, and just be in
Speaker 2: an open invite next week, my friend, if you want
Speaker 2: to come on.
Speaker 1: I just had your brother on here, but uh, tomorrow
Speaker 1: here are Clippers Talk. I'm gonna hit him up.
Speaker 2: Dime Dropper and I are doing a home and home
Speaker 2: so I'll come on with him on Lockdown for the
Speaker 2: first half of the episode. Second half, he's coming on
Speaker 2: with me here on Clippers Talk. I know Jamal just
Speaker 2: joined Dime Dropper recently. It was a great episode on
Speaker 2: Locked on Clippers, But that is a future episode coming
Speaker 2: up on Wednesday tomorrow here on Clippers Talk for Jamal Christopher.
Speaker 2: I'm Adam Oslin. This has been another Clippers Talk show
Speaker 2: for you.
Speaker 1: Love y'all, Talk to you later.