Speaker 1: It's nice eyes.
Speaker 2: Undoing you crazy Boston's News Radio.
Speaker 1: All right, we're moving right along here, and we're basically
Speaker 1: reacting to what happened today in well happened today in
Speaker 1: Moscow and in Washington. President Trump and President Putin spent
Speaker 1: ninety minutes on the phone this morning. Sounded like they
Speaker 1: were there from about ten o'clock until eleven thirty whatever,
Speaker 1: ninety minutes, and there seems to be at least the
Speaker 1: beginnings of an agreement. Apparently Russia has agreed. To let
Speaker 1: me make sure I characterized this correctly. This is from
Speaker 1: the White House readout. It said Russia the leaders agreed
Speaker 1: that the movement to peace will begin with an energy
Speaker 1: and infrastructure ceasefire, as well as technic negotiations on implementation
Speaker 1: of a Maritimes ceasefire in the Black Sea. Black Sea
Speaker 1: very is very important to Russia. Full ceasefire and permanent peace.
Speaker 1: The first step is to stop hitting one another's energy, infrastructure,
Speaker 1: energy and infrastructure. That's a step, small step, but a
Speaker 1: step in the right direction. So my question is are
Speaker 1: you optimistic? Who do you trust? So far, most of
Speaker 1: the people who have called have said they don't trust Putin.
Speaker 1: I suspected more of you would say that you don't
Speaker 1: trust either. But sometimes it's the interest of it's in
Speaker 1: the mutual interest of two countries, in this case Russia
Speaker 1: and the United States, to try try to end hostilities
Speaker 1: between one of those two countries and a third party
Speaker 1: here Ukraine. So that's where it is. I wish I
Speaker 1: had something more specific to offer. I just want to
Speaker 1: hear from you six one, seven, two, five, four, ten
Speaker 1: thirty one line there. Six one, seven, nine three, one,
Speaker 1: ten thirty. It's kind of a deep topic, but I
Speaker 1: think my audience is capable of handling this topic. I
Speaker 1: want to know if you are encouraged by a ninety
Speaker 1: minute phone conversation that also apparently was parenthetically a conversation
Speaker 1: that talked about maybe the National Hockey League teams, probably
Speaker 1: like an all star team play against the Russian Professional
Speaker 1: Hockey League, the Continental League khal KHL. I don't think
Speaker 1: that the Russian team would do particularly well because a
Speaker 1: lot of the Russians are over here, as I think
Speaker 1: we know. But sometimes sports becomes the bridge to piece.
Speaker 1: It's it's it's true. Let's go to Robert in Boston. Robert,
Speaker 1: you're gonna start us off this hour. Thanks for your
Speaker 1: patience you held through the newscast.
Speaker 3: Go right ahead, Robert, Yeah, can you hear me?
Speaker 1: I can hear you? Find circle right ahead.
Speaker 4: No, I just got this.
Speaker 3: It may sound kind of uh strange or just comical,
Speaker 3: but I'm thinking, like, these guys are fighting so much, right,
Speaker 3: why don't they just go three of them get in
Speaker 3: the ring like they didn't the old day, fight it out,
Speaker 3: and whoever win got the decision.
Speaker 1: Well, I think that in the old days, maybe that
Speaker 1: happened when uh so, when when the Visigoths ended up
Speaker 1: uh in a war with someone I don't know, I
Speaker 1: don't know who they who, the visi Goths would take
Speaker 1: it over by.
Speaker 3: But uh yeah, they're acting like but but but Trump
Speaker 3: and all of them are acting like they're the gods
Speaker 3: of the of the world and they're just human being.
Speaker 1: They are just human beings. But I'll tell you there's
Speaker 1: been a lot of human beings going back to you know,
Speaker 1: Hannibal and the elephants crossing the Alps, and Julius Caesar
Speaker 1: and all the way up to modern day. I think
Speaker 1: what you're saying is wonderful to think that somehow we
Speaker 1: would pick our top fighter. I think they did that.
Speaker 1: It was a rocky movie, if I'm not mistaken. I mean,
Speaker 1: it's the movies. But it's the movies, but it's not
Speaker 1: real life.
Speaker 5: Let them slugged it out and whoever comes out of winner.
Speaker 5: That's what the decision is, all right, that's they're making.
Speaker 5: Making it too complicated, and too many people are dying.
Speaker 1: Like you know, there's a lot of people who are dying,
Speaker 1: a lot of property that has been destroyed, there's no
Speaker 1: question about that.
Speaker 3: And they have they have no sympathy or compassion for
Speaker 3: people's lives. I mean, you can't take people's lives.
Speaker 4: And you're not God.
Speaker 3: God is God, and God is looking all of this
Speaker 3: is happening.
Speaker 4: He doesn't like it.
Speaker 1: Well, you look, it's happening all over the world. It's
Speaker 1: happening all over the world. It's human nature. You see
Speaker 1: it in you see it in the Middle East. You
Speaker 1: see it in Iran. They want nuclear weapons and their theocrats.
Speaker 1: You see it everywhere. Unfortunately, I guess that's that's that's
Speaker 1: the way the world will end. Someday will blow ourselves up.
Speaker 1: But let's hope not. Let's see what we can do
Speaker 1: to me.
Speaker 3: I have many grandkids and they need to live a.
Speaker 6: Mary free life.
Speaker 1: Not yes, so far I only got one. But I
Speaker 1: join you, Robert, I join you in that in that wish. Hey,
Speaker 1: have you called the show before? Is this your first time?
Speaker 7: Now?
Speaker 6: I call it before one time?
Speaker 1: Well, do me favorite coming back more often? Okay? Thanks Robert,
Speaker 1: talk to you. Thank you, Yes, sir, you as well,
Speaker 1: Thank you, my friend. Good night. Six one seven, two, five,
Speaker 1: four ten thirty. Triple eight nine two nine ten thirty
Speaker 1: is one line at six one seven, nine three one
Speaker 1: ten thirty. Let's keep rolling here, and I want people
Speaker 1: waiting around. Let's go to Bow and holding Massachusetts. I
Speaker 1: know we're holding. Is hi Bo welcome? How are you?
Speaker 1: I can guarantee Bo has never called the show before
Speaker 1: because I do not remember.
Speaker 4: Yeah before, No, I tell me okay, okay, and I
Speaker 4: remember my European accent.
Speaker 1: Yes. But the only other Bow I've ever I've ever
Speaker 1: met with were not met herd Of was a guy
Speaker 1: pitch for the Who's That Both?
Speaker 4: Eric?
Speaker 1: Well, No, I never met Bo Derek. No, No, I
Speaker 1: didn't even think of Bo Derek. There was a picture
Speaker 1: for the Angels way back in the day called Bo Bolinski,
Speaker 1: so that's the third we got both from holding Bo
Speaker 1: Bolinsky and both Derek. So what's your thought, Bo? What's
Speaker 1: your thought?
Speaker 4: First of all, there are there are two things I
Speaker 4: want to say here, and I hope I'm not out
Speaker 4: of place. First of all, any initiative for peace, it's
Speaker 4: not more than welcome, it's fantastic, right. So what our
Speaker 4: president is doing is I think the right thing. Now,
Speaker 4: do we trust Puttin? Do we don't trust Putting? That's
Speaker 4: a different story. Of course, we don't trust who don't
Speaker 4: trust anybody?
Speaker 7: Right?
Speaker 4: And you're of our readers, probably we don't trust Putting.
Speaker 4: But the initiative for peace is a very well come thing.
Speaker 4: The second thing I wanted to say, it's and again
Speaker 4: I don't want to sound out of place, but how
Speaker 4: many people can they? And some they are your listeners.
Speaker 4: Can they even point to Ukraina is on the map?
Speaker 4: You know?
Speaker 1: Not many?
Speaker 7: Do they know?
Speaker 4: Not many? They know about the history of Soviet Union,
Speaker 4: how these republics were pretty much created, what the conflicts are,
Speaker 4: what the ethnical problems are in there? I can tell
Speaker 4: you I'm Romanian, and the Romanians they have no rights
Speaker 4: in Ukrainia. They don't have charges they are not allowed
Speaker 4: to speak Romanian. And actually, by the Ribnrop Molotov part
Speaker 4: in nineteen forty a part of Romania was give on
Speaker 4: to Ukraine. It's called the Nor. I can check it
Speaker 4: with a big majority of Romanian population that they have
Speaker 4: no rights and they will never have rights in there.
Speaker 4: And now Ukraina wants to join European Union, wants to
Speaker 4: join NATO. I mean, it's a joke. This is a joke,
Speaker 4: this is a fund.
Speaker 1: Well Ukraine one, well, wait, hold on both for a second.
Speaker 1: I'm very empathetic to what you say, and I'm so
Speaker 1: respect Look, I know I don't know a lot about
Speaker 1: Eastern Europe compared to you, but I certainly know Bucharest
Speaker 1: is the capital of Romania.
Speaker 8: Yes I have.
Speaker 1: I have walked by Romanian soldiers in Poland in the
Speaker 1: nineteen eighties when I was covering Poland for WBS TV,
Speaker 1: and I must tell you the Romanian soldiers, now again,
Speaker 1: this was this was before the wall fell. They scared
Speaker 1: the heck out of me. I'll tell you, man, they
Speaker 1: looked at me like, what are you doing here? It's
Speaker 1: my only, my only interchange with with Romanians. But but
Speaker 1: before that's before the wall fell. And look the Romanian people.
Speaker 1: I have subsequently met Romanians who are amazing people. So
Speaker 1: I have all the respects of your world for you
Speaker 1: and and for people from Romania to have undergone, undergone
Speaker 1: what you did undergo. I mean, it was horrible. I
Speaker 1: have a friend of mine who talked to me about
Speaker 1: what it was like to live under the boot of
Speaker 1: the Soviets. Uh that that people, Yes, it was not
Speaker 1: easy at all, So I agree.
Speaker 4: I only to remember that, and to remember the revolution
Speaker 4: in eighteen nine, to remember the fail the fall of
Speaker 4: the Soviet Union, the fall of the Eastern Blow, the
Speaker 4: fall of the Warsaw Pact, and to remember all the
Speaker 4: and to remember actually the light which came from the
Speaker 4: United States when Vegan was president and Gormachos president, which
Speaker 4: is Parastroika, and to remember that there was hope. Probably
Speaker 4: now there is hope again. Let's let's thing like this,
Speaker 4: there is hope again. Maybe Trump and put In they
Speaker 4: can do what Gorbachev and Ronald Reagan they did. And
Speaker 4: then of course George w Having George Bush the father
Speaker 4: did let me let me ask you both questions with
Speaker 4: in the two countries.
Speaker 1: Tell me, were you there when Siasco Madi states.
Speaker 4: Yes, I was in the street, I was in the seat.
Speaker 4: I was seventeen years old. I was in the streets.
Speaker 1: Yes, good for you.
Speaker 4: I was in the military from ninety one to ninety three,
Speaker 4: then for the Internal Ministry in Romania. I did my
Speaker 4: mandatory military service. Then I came to United States in
Speaker 4: ninety five and I became a United States citizen. And
Speaker 4: I tell you what I don't feel an next part.
Speaker 4: I feel that this is my country. And whenever I
Speaker 4: come back from Romania, I can tell you I kissed
Speaker 4: the ground. I kissed the ground in Logan Airport. That's
Speaker 4: what I do.
Speaker 1: Let me just say this, bo, you are. You are
Speaker 1: my sort of American, okay. I was lucky enough to
Speaker 1: be born here, okay. And I have tremendous respect for
Speaker 1: people like you who come here from other countries around
Speaker 1: the world where living was probably a lot more difficult
Speaker 1: than it is here. But come here legally and and
Speaker 1: say what you just said. I mean, you lived under
Speaker 1: the boot of the Chichesco family, and your family lived
Speaker 1: under the boot of Chichisco family, and we can never
Speaker 1: we can never ever understand how you and your and
Speaker 1: your family and your country people survived. I have a
Speaker 1: friend who's Romanian, and he told me how that his
Speaker 1: father was uh was was an enemy of the state,
Speaker 1: and how that some of his best friends basically squealed
Speaker 1: on him, told the block commanders that that his father
Speaker 1: was not supporting Chizesco and hit their family paid for it.
Speaker 1: So I know I know, not from firstthand experience, but
Speaker 1: from hearing from people like you and this other friend
Speaker 1: of mine what it was like to liver under a
Speaker 1: communist dictatorship. So thank you for calling this show, and
Speaker 1: I hope you'll call more off and I joined and
Speaker 1: a hope piece that we can give piece a chance.
Speaker 1: Thanks bol, Thank you so much. I really am honored
Speaker 1: that you would call.
Speaker 7: Thank you, my friend, thank you, thank you, good night,
Speaker 7: by good night.
Speaker 1: Okay. I'll tell you that's a great call. When you listen,
Speaker 1: when you realize the experience that that man has had,
Speaker 1: it's it's it's extraordinary. The only line open right now
Speaker 1: was six one, seven, nine thirty.
Speaker 4: Uh.
Speaker 1: I'm beginning to hear some people who are hopeful. I
Speaker 1: want to hear from you, whether you're hopeful or not.
Speaker 1: But we have to we have to hope, hope that
Speaker 1: somehow the situation where you can be resolved and that
Speaker 1: the killing can stoff. And also we have to make
Speaker 1: sure that Putin complies with whatever peace agreement might be
Speaker 1: agreed upon, simple as that. We'll be back on night
Speaker 1: Side right after this.
Speaker 2: Now back to Dan Ray live from the Window World
Speaker 2: night Side Studios on WBZ News Radio.
Speaker 1: Back to the phones. We're talking about this ninety minute
Speaker 1: telephone conversation between Donald Trump and Vladimir Putin today, presidents
Speaker 1: of Russia and the United States, talking about Ukraine, how
Speaker 1: to get a ceasefire in place and perhaps end the hostilities.
Speaker 1: I don't want to sound overly optimistic. I think there
Speaker 1: might have been a step or two in the right
Speaker 1: direction today, and we should applaud that. We don't have
Speaker 1: to you don't have to be a Trump supporter to
Speaker 1: applaud that. But I think, if, if, if we can
Speaker 1: structure something that gives Zelensky confidence and provides enough structure
Speaker 1: so that Putin will live by whatever he agrees to,
Speaker 1: maybe somehow, some way peace might break out. I'm hopeful.
Speaker 1: I'd love to know what all of you think, and
Speaker 1: if you want to comment on Trump or Putin here,
Speaker 1: that's fine. I can understand some of you might like neither.
Speaker 1: I get it. Roger in Foxborough, Roger, next time nights.
Speaker 1: I go right ahead.
Speaker 9: I haven't talked in a while.
Speaker 1: Dan, Well, Roger, we're here every night for you. Nice
Speaker 1: to talk with you tonight. We what's your take on this?
Speaker 4: I'm been busy.
Speaker 9: Well, you know, I found it was interesting. One of
Speaker 9: the first people to visit Trump when he took office
Speaker 9: was Prime Minister Modi of India. Yes, and the Indians
Speaker 9: have a great concern here. They're you know, they look
Speaker 9: upon the European colonialist oppressors. And for Trump to separate
Speaker 9: himself from the Europeans really makes it gives an interesting
Speaker 9: dynamic to this whole thing, saying, hey, you know, we're
Speaker 9: not dealing with him. This is between US and Russia.
Speaker 9: These other people they can sort things out for themselves.
Speaker 10: Yeah.
Speaker 1: I had not thought of that like that. When when
Speaker 1: you bring the Modi and I think that mody.
Speaker 9: And trust he's on the work against China.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 9: And this is the thing is if we can if
Speaker 9: we I'm not saying I want to see Putin benefit
Speaker 9: from this, but if if he can accept a limited
Speaker 9: piece of some sort a lot of people in Russia
Speaker 9: might sit down and have a beer with Ukrainians and
Speaker 9: say what was it all about, and then maybe decide
Speaker 9: maybe putin. He's wagging the dog with this war. If
Speaker 9: we can get him to back down on this war,
Speaker 9: even if it's only temperary, even if he thinks he's
Speaker 9: gonna come back later and do something, he may not see.
Speaker 9: You know, every dog is his day, but his day
Speaker 9: might be done, you know after this. I don't know.
Speaker 1: I know, I know that that I believe that he
Speaker 1: There were there were reports a couple of years ago
Speaker 1: that he had a some sort of disease and they
Speaker 1: were they were looking at pictures of him. So, like
Speaker 1: anyone else, he's mortal. He's only going to be here
Speaker 1: for so long.
Speaker 9: And I think, as I say, if if Russia just
Speaker 9: goes to hell and the Europeans think they're just going
Speaker 9: to come in and you know, loot the place, you know,
Speaker 9: their resources and stuff, Indy, China's going to move in.
Speaker 9: But like I say, if we try to be fair
Speaker 9: to the Russian people, never mind putin just the Russian people,
Speaker 9: India would back us against China and they would be
Speaker 9: willing to say. But if it's just another European colonialist
Speaker 9: power grab here. Ultimately, India might say the hell with y'all,
Speaker 9: We'll let China do it, and and then we've got
Speaker 9: China fifty miles away from Alaska, not Russia, you know.
Speaker 6: And yeah, that's why I don't think that.
Speaker 1: I don't think that's going to happen. I think that
Speaker 1: that whenever Putin US either leaves office or is removed
Speaker 1: from office, there will be probably another hardline of replacing him,
Speaker 1: unless the generals, the Russian generals are so angry at
Speaker 1: Putin at the way I mean, Russia was at odds
Speaker 1: on favored to roll into Ukraine that didn't happen, so
Speaker 1: so food and underestimated Ukraine's ability to stand up.
Speaker 6: Now it was definitely there.
Speaker 9: Approx was up to me, I would have just said,
Speaker 9: you violated the buddhifest Achords. They get their nuclear weapons back,
Speaker 9: you know.
Speaker 1: But yeah, that I just want to know.
Speaker 9: I couldn't never, I could never hate the Russian people.
Speaker 9: I got to go there when I was a kid
Speaker 9: and meet some people, and you know, I mean, who
Speaker 9: would have thought Bresnev was a reformer? But when I
Speaker 9: was there in winter of seventy four. You know, it
Speaker 9: was like there were people they're willing to talk about
Speaker 9: stuff they probably would have been shot for talking about
Speaker 9: ten years before.
Speaker 1: How did you without don't give me any deep dark
Speaker 1: family secrets here, but how was it that you could
Speaker 1: be in Russia as a kid in nineteen seventy four.
Speaker 9: Well, I was fifteen and I had my I had
Speaker 9: my sixteenth birthday in Moscow, I had a potty and
Speaker 9: I went over on a trip. A friend of mine's
Speaker 9: mother was a teacher in the Math Teachers Association with
Speaker 9: sponsoring a journey over there for winter vacation, and and
Speaker 9: so it was, you know, the Communist Party was and
Speaker 9: we were like guests of honor because we were from
Speaker 9: Massachusetts and at the time, Massachusetts, you know, everybody was
Speaker 9: singing the Beg song Massachusetts. It was the biggest hit
Speaker 9: in the country, you know.
Speaker 1: I mean it was like, well, Russia is one country
Speaker 1: that I have never never visited.
Speaker 9: I know, you were on a trip there a couple
Speaker 9: of years ago, and then everything went to went to
Speaker 9: everything exactly in a handbasket.
Speaker 1: We were we were thinking about that we had done
Speaker 1: a trip down the Danube River. Yea, I remember you
Speaker 1: talking about it a lot of and and we were
Speaker 1: going to try try to pull together something which would
Speaker 1: include Moscow in Saint Petersburg, and obviously the international events
Speaker 1: overtook it. In Americans, I.
Speaker 9: Mean, I mean, I could never hate those people, you know,
Speaker 9: because like from my experience, you know, they were they
Speaker 9: were just as likely to question in their government. Is
Speaker 9: that's it's just a question of what can you do?
Speaker 9: How can you change things?
Speaker 1: What we have under the boot of a dictatorship. And unfortunately,
Speaker 1: if you lived in Russia, even when you were there,
Speaker 1: there were KGB people everywhere, there were people spying on
Speaker 1: every It was it was a horrible place to be.
Speaker 9: It's like what they were saying, but.
Speaker 1: Well, it's like what Cuba is today. And young Americans
Speaker 1: have no idea about what it was like. I mean,
Speaker 1: this was you know, Hitler horrible, horrible, but Joe Stallen
Speaker 1: equally horrible. Would people forget that it was Stalin and
Speaker 1: Hitler who signed the Russian German packed in nineteen thirty
Speaker 1: nine in which.
Speaker 6: They did Poland. Did you know they were there were.
Speaker 9: Jews fleeing the Russian occupied Poland to get to the
Speaker 9: German side, even though they knew how bad it was
Speaker 9: over there.
Speaker 1: Yeah, well I did not know that, but I'm sure
Speaker 1: that it was.
Speaker 9: It was. It sounds totally insane.
Speaker 10: But.
Speaker 1: Roger, interesting experience. Let me ask you what you had
Speaker 1: an interesting experience at the age of sixteen to be
Speaker 1: in Russia nineteen seventy four. What sort of work did
Speaker 1: you end up doing? Did I did you end up
Speaker 1: becoming a teacher? Well?
Speaker 9: I work in a library. Let's say, I thought, I
Speaker 9: really can't talk about it. I work in a library,
Speaker 9: and I was kind of involved in had extra library
Speaker 9: privileges then because I was involved in model Congress and
Speaker 9: high school. So I kind of I've always loved books,
Speaker 9: and I just so I work in I work in
Speaker 9: the let's just say I work. I have access to
Speaker 9: things that most people don't have access to.
Speaker 1: We'll leave it at that. We'll let people's imagination run wild.
Speaker 1: Roger call more often, will you? You're an interesting guy?
Speaker 1: Thank you very much?
Speaker 6: All right, thank you.
Speaker 1: Have a good one. Good night. Six one seven four
Speaker 1: ten thirty one line there six one seven nine three
Speaker 1: one ten thirty. We're talking about I mean today, we
Speaker 1: may look back on today and say that was the
Speaker 1: moment in time when a peace agreement, uh was was begun.
Speaker 1: That's what I'm I'm looking for tonight. Now. I know
Speaker 1: there are those who are skeptical. I'm somewhat skeptical, but
Speaker 1: it's a better big day. And I uh, ninety minutes
Speaker 1: for Putin and Donald Trump to be on the phone
Speaker 1: with one another for ninety minutes. What do you read
Speaker 1: into it? Coming back on Night's Side, I hope to
Speaker 1: talk about this till eleven. If not, I got another
Speaker 1: topic we can throw out there. But this to me
Speaker 1: is interesting because the world is changing, folks, whether you
Speaker 1: realize it or not. The world is changing. And you
Speaker 1: may have seen the world click a little bit today
Speaker 1: in my opinion, But I'd love to hear from you.
Speaker 1: Your opinion is what interests me. You've heard mine.
Speaker 2: Coming back on Night Side, You're on Night Side with
Speaker 2: Dan Ray on Boston's news Radio.
Speaker 1: Okay, full lines. I like that. Let's keep rolling here,
Speaker 1: Gonna go next to Robert and Wellesley. Robert, are you optimistic? Here?
Speaker 1: Go right ahead?
Speaker 6: Uh?
Speaker 11: Well, Dan, maybe I could go with Ronald Reagan's philosophy
Speaker 11: of trust but verified and I think and the adage
Speaker 11: of if if both sides are talking there there is hope.
Speaker 11: And I also have a comment with regards to your
Speaker 11: one of your callers suggesting that we have a contest
Speaker 11: like a boxing match or something between uh, between two
Speaker 11: leaders and ever since the biblical story of David versus
Speaker 11: go if I don't know, there will be too many
Speaker 11: kickers on that.
Speaker 1: Yeah, no, I know that. Well, you know we've had
Speaker 1: some of those things. Was it Alexander Ham Hamilton and
Speaker 1: Aaron Burr? It didn't that work out too well? Not mistaken? Yeah,
Speaker 1: so yeah, I mean, interesting idea, and it would be lovely,
Speaker 1: but I don't know, you want to put the fate
Speaker 1: of a nation between you know, a mortal battle here.
Speaker 1: I just thought it was an interesting, interesting suggestion by Robert,
Speaker 1: But we kind of that sort of thing works in
Speaker 1: the movies, not in real life. But I'm with you
Speaker 1: on this, trust but verify and as long as they're
Speaker 1: talking there, as long as they're talking talking, there's some hope.
Speaker 1: So I'm with you. I'm writing the money with you.
Speaker 1: Thank you much, Thank you. All right, talk, So we're
Speaker 1: going to go next to who we got here, Jim
Speaker 1: and Saugus. Jim, you were next to Night said welcome. Hello, Jim,
Speaker 1: good sir, what's your take here, Jim?
Speaker 10: Uh? My take is this, I spent a lot of
Speaker 10: time in Ukraine. Uh, volunteered there, Yes, yes, and I've
Speaker 10: seen first chance. Uh what Putin has done and the
Speaker 10: fact that our president is even going to entertain some
Speaker 10: kind of ceasefire is insane. So Zelenski has said that
Speaker 10: he will go for a thirty days ceasefire, right and
Speaker 10: Putin has said no, I'm not going to do that.
Speaker 10: But yet, Yeah, I don't know. We want to somehow.
Speaker 1: Okay, so let's let's let's let me ask you this.
Speaker 1: When was the last time you were in Ukraine.
Speaker 10: I've never been to Ukraine, so I was there last
Speaker 10: October twenty twenty four, all right, and what was the spirit?
Speaker 1: What was the spirit of the people when you were there?
Speaker 1: I know how long you were there. But to get
Speaker 1: a chance to talk to the Ukrainian people, are they tired?
Speaker 1: Are they are they intent on continuing this? What? What's
Speaker 1: the spirit there?
Speaker 10: At this point time? They have a great spirit in
Speaker 10: Ukraine and they are going to fight for their country.
Speaker 10: They are not going to put up with somebody invading
Speaker 10: their country.
Speaker 6: Like pop has started.
Speaker 11: Okay, I think yet.
Speaker 10: We can't forget that he invaded their country.
Speaker 1: Oh, there's no question about it. There's no question about that.
Speaker 1: That's indisputable. There's no no question about that. But my
Speaker 1: question to you is this. Okay, now, I know you
Speaker 1: probably are not a fan of Donald Trump, which is fine,
Speaker 1: but what would did you like to see Trump do? Well,
Speaker 1: what would you like to see the United States do,
Speaker 1: if anything, to try to bring the hostilities to uh close?
Speaker 1: What do you think should be if anything?
Speaker 10: Yeah, what should be done is to tell them to
Speaker 10: retreat from the country, go back to their own country.
Speaker 10: And that the Ukrainians say, like the way they want
Speaker 10: to live.
Speaker 1: So how do you do that? How do you do
Speaker 1: how that? That's an interesting theory. How do you make
Speaker 1: that reality?
Speaker 11: Well?
Speaker 10: I think what we do, which you put pressure on them, Right,
Speaker 10: so we've retreated from our allies that have been trying
Speaker 10: to put pressure on Russia could get out of there.
Speaker 10: Now the United States is saying they're not going to
Speaker 10: condemn what has happened over the last three years. Right
Speaker 10: in that Nations vote, we voted with Belarus, we voted
Speaker 10: but North Korea, and we voted with Russia. So who
Speaker 10: are we as a country right now.
Speaker 4: I okay, get it.
Speaker 1: Okay, So again I'm asked. What I'm trying to get
Speaker 1: at is this, Uh, maybe we would have been better
Speaker 1: to have Joe Biden. I think you think probably Biden
Speaker 1: did a great job in terms of Ukraine.
Speaker 6: Oh god, no, look, okay, good enough.
Speaker 10: I am not by any stretch of the emn redstret
Speaker 10: Republic in my whole life.
Speaker 1: Ragon Okay, no problem, no, Probert, that's fine, that's fine.
Speaker 1: My question is this, Okay, when Trump was president from
Speaker 1: twenty seventeen to twenty twenty one, how many countries did
Speaker 1: Putin invade?
Speaker 10: Scarcely Da? Why while they were dancing with each other?
Speaker 9: Seriously, No, I'm asking I'm asking that.
Speaker 1: I'm just asking you as an honest question. Okay, how
Speaker 1: many countries you could use your advance? You can use
Speaker 1: your answer advantageously if you want so. None, Joe Biden
Speaker 1: watched the Russian troops mass on the border and they evaded.
Speaker 1: And I think Biden did a fairly good job under
Speaker 1: the circumstances of the invasion. I've said that publicly. I
Speaker 1: won't back down that. Now, maybe maybe Putin looks at
Speaker 1: Trump a little differently than he looks at Biden. Do
Speaker 1: you think that's possible or no?
Speaker 10: Oh, he definitely does.
Speaker 1: Okay, Now do you think if he was looking at
Speaker 1: Trump as a patsy, how many countries should have putin
Speaker 1: invaded when Trump was president the first time?
Speaker 10: No, she never would have done it under Trump. Do
Speaker 10: you understand that he never would have acquiesced? And so
Speaker 10: he was waiting Trumpets set him up, and then when
Speaker 10: Biden was president that was his time to go in.
Speaker 10: He's not going to do it under Trump? He didn't
Speaker 10: he And do you think that he's really going to
Speaker 10: exit Ukraine under Trump? No? What's going to happen is
Speaker 10: he's gonna I don't know that he has right now? Okay,
Speaker 10: do you know the end that he that Russia has
Speaker 10: right now?
Speaker 9: When you're great, I want to know you that.
Speaker 1: Yeah, the dun dumbass region in the east. Yes, I'm
Speaker 1: a little familiar with that. Familiar.
Speaker 10: So what's going to happen to ye? Now they're going
Speaker 10: to come to some settlement. Now, he took over PRIMEA
Speaker 10: right now, he's going to take.
Speaker 1: Over second when did he take over CRIMEA?
Speaker 10: Oh twenty fourteen?
Speaker 1: Yeah, and who was president that right? I know that that,
Speaker 1: but the audience doesn't Obama.
Speaker 10: That was Obama of course said Okay, Trina was in
Speaker 10: a back off.
Speaker 1: Yep.
Speaker 10: Now he's They're in other areas probably, and let them.
Speaker 1: Know you're not. Yeah, Jim, you're making my argument for
Speaker 1: me here. You're making it too easy. What I'm saying
Speaker 1: is maybe maybe Putin looks at Trump with a little
Speaker 1: bit of apprehension. He didn't have a lot of apprehension
Speaker 1: when Obama was president fourteen. Okay, why are you laughing
Speaker 1: at that? I mean, are you laughing at what?
Speaker 10: Putin is not looking at Trump with apprehension?
Speaker 8: Well?
Speaker 1: What what? What do you think? How do you think
Speaker 1: he what do you think he thinks he's going to
Speaker 1: get out of Trump? I mean, if he thought Trump
Speaker 1: was a patsy, why didn't he invade you Ukraine in
Speaker 1: twenty seventeen, eighteen nineteen.
Speaker 10: Or twenty because now he has control over it and now.
Speaker 1: So he waited for Trump to leave the White House. Jim, think, Jim,
Speaker 1: you're making my argument. Don't make it so easy. He
Speaker 1: waited until Trump left the White.
Speaker 10: House made Yeah, listen to my argument.
Speaker 1: I'm here in your argument. But you you were telling
Speaker 1: me at this point that somehow after Biden allowed this
Speaker 1: to occur. Now Trump has to clean up Biden's mess.
Speaker 1: At least he's talking to to Putin today. I know
Speaker 1: you don't have any faith in him. I don't have
Speaker 1: a lot of faith in him, but at least I
Speaker 1: have a little bit of faith that maybe, maybe, maybe
Speaker 1: in some weird way, Putin is a little apprehensive of Trump,
Speaker 1: that Trump's the more of a wild card than Biden was.
Speaker 1: That's all. Hey, I got to run because it's I
Speaker 1: got a break, Jim, thank you very much for me. Well,
Speaker 1: I appreciate you too as well. It was it was
Speaker 1: a good conversation. At least I felt it was. I
Speaker 1: hope you did as well. Thank you, my friend.
Speaker 10: No I did you? Thank you?
Speaker 1: Good night, good night. We'll take a break. I got
Speaker 1: Mike in West Roxbury, I got down in Indiana, I
Speaker 1: got Steve in New York. And I even get a
Speaker 1: couple more in if you want, try six one, seven
Speaker 1: thirty or six months. The only two lines are six
Speaker 1: one seven thirty? What am I saying? Not even reading
Speaker 1: my own screen?
Speaker 2: Be back right after this now, back to dan Way
Speaker 2: line from the Window World Nights Side Studios on WBZ
Speaker 2: News Radio.
Speaker 1: We're getting everybody in here. Let's go first to Mike
Speaker 1: and west Roxbury. Mike, you next on nightside.
Speaker 6: Welcome over going.
Speaker 1: Going fine for me? How's it going for you?
Speaker 6: A little bit of a call, though, I'll live. Okay,
Speaker 6: So I want I want to go back all wave here. Okay, sure,
Speaker 6: okay's probably been been. Everyone's been pondering this far such
Speaker 6: a while. Now let's go back to what was the
Speaker 6: original reason. I have my thoughts for this, Okay, what
Speaker 6: was the original reason Putin went In told his commanders
Speaker 6: general to go call over the border.
Speaker 10: Yeah.
Speaker 1: Well, Putin has always said that the greatest uh disaster
Speaker 1: of the twentieth century was the dissolution of the Soviet Union.
Speaker 1: Do I think that he thinks he can put the
Speaker 1: Soviet Union back together? No, But I do think that
Speaker 1: he wants to to protect Mother Russia.
Speaker 6: Somewhat and in the formans right.
Speaker 1: Yeah, And the Dambas region on the eastern part of
Speaker 1: Ukraine is predominantly Russian for a number of reasons, and
Speaker 1: he felt that he had from his perspective that that
Speaker 1: he had a responsibility to restore that part of Ukraine
Speaker 1: to right. That's why he invaded. Now, if he liked
Speaker 1: to have won and installed a puppet in Ukraine like
Speaker 1: he has in Belarus, absolutely, But I think that's the
Speaker 1: reason for the for the evasion. Go ahead.
Speaker 6: Now here's my anything. We're in the twenty first century
Speaker 6: with twenty twenty five, okay, right, You would think he
Speaker 6: would he would. I mean, unless he's wacked or has
Speaker 6: sometimes mental derangement or whatever. You would think a lot
Speaker 6: of people would say, you know what, live and let live,
Speaker 6: leave it alone.
Speaker 1: But he's a kg B guy. He's a kg B
Speaker 1: guy entre life. Yeah, you know, so he was just
Speaker 1: going to say what we're dealing with here. I don't
Speaker 1: know that he's going to have some sort of miraculous
Speaker 1: transition in his seventies to become John Lennon if you
Speaker 1: you know, and seeing you know, imagined.
Speaker 6: But I mean, if he's looking, are you still there, dad?
Speaker 1: Yeah? I am a listener. Yeah, I'm listening.
Speaker 6: If he's looking to be you know, some type of
Speaker 6: a monifor for for his country, I mean maybe a
Speaker 6: small percentage might might might might call along with it,
Speaker 6: But I I think he's pursuing it the wrong way.
Speaker 6: I don't know.
Speaker 1: I agree with you. I absolutely think he's pursuing it
Speaker 1: the wrong way. But here's where we are. How do
Speaker 1: we how do we turn this back back? And I'm
Speaker 1: hoping that the start of a conversation today might begin
Speaker 1: a process that somehow, some way, because look, this thing
Speaker 1: could could have been exploded the last three years if
Speaker 1: we had made a mistake, if they had hit NATO troops,
Speaker 1: then you know, this is a disaster waiting to happen.
Speaker 6: Oh I would have it would have been held to pay.
Speaker 6: Oh my god, we would We would have had multiple
Speaker 6: black eyes figuratively speaking. But you know what I think
Speaker 6: has to happen, And and this happened slightly about a
Speaker 6: year ago. If you recall one, a lot of Russian
Speaker 6: troops wouldn't gates are certain a certain groups, whether it's
Speaker 6: bell Rus or Crimea or wherever it was. Okay, well,
Speaker 6: I think it has to happen. Everybody has to. Russia
Speaker 6: has to just lay down their arms and say, you
Speaker 6: know what, guys, we don't want to do this anymore.
Speaker 6: But then the Putin would have their heads probably exactly.
Speaker 1: I think that's a pipe dream, but it's a wonderful
Speaker 1: pipe dream. Hey, Mike, I gotta run. Thanks so much
Speaker 1: for calling. I was a great hear from my West
Speaker 1: Roxbury listeners. Thanks man, talk to you soon. Cool, good night.
Speaker 1: Let's go to Steve in New York. Steve want to
Speaker 1: get you, Dawn and Jean and so Gret ahead Steve.
Speaker 7: All right, so I got thirty seconds then, right, Dan,
Speaker 7: I'm not gonna I give you more than.
Speaker 11: I know you will.
Speaker 7: So chill on to you and you listen as I
Speaker 7: have to say that firsthand, Putin cannot be trustedn't we
Speaker 7: know that? And you know that, and I know you're
Speaker 7: a ray man like me. You remember everything that pretty
Speaker 7: much anybody says to you, and you absorber. So I'm
Speaker 7: gonna do a refresher course that again, World War three
Speaker 7: will be at the Euphraid's River because it is drying up.
Speaker 7: Two hundred million soldiers will die. Whether God has just
Speaker 7: the Chinese military or North Korea or a combination, but
Speaker 7: that will happen. We're in the birth banks of the
Speaker 7: end times, meaning you know.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I don't know why you want to go there
Speaker 1: with this this late in the show.
Speaker 7: Okay, what's your question.
Speaker 1: I gotta be honest with you. I I have no idea.
Speaker 7: What you're talking about, Well, the book, the Revelation, that's
Speaker 7: very comforting. I just want to comfort comfort your listeners.
Speaker 1: Wells are here that you think that's going to comfort
Speaker 1: my listeners?
Speaker 7: Well, well, yeah, the Revelation explains Dan what's gonna happen.
Speaker 7: So it's comforting.
Speaker 1: I'm gonna I'm going to do a show at some
Speaker 1: point on the.
Speaker 7: Bible and that would be great.
Speaker 4: That'd be great, and I.
Speaker 1: Want you to call in. Okay, but tonight we're gonna
Speaker 1: stick with Trump and food O. Thanks man, all.
Speaker 7: Right, you can't be trusted, that's my point.
Speaker 1: Well, I agree with you on that. I absolutely agree
Speaker 1: with you on that. Thank you so much. Good night.
Speaker 1: Let me go to dawn in Indiana. Don No Bible talk,
Speaker 1: go ahead down.
Speaker 8: All right, no no Bible talking. Deed. You know, I
Speaker 8: was inspired to listen. I got on the radio late,
Speaker 8: but I was inspired because this afternoon I heard you
Speaker 8: theorize about Trump and Putin winning the Nobel Peace Prize,
Speaker 8: and I have to say, kind of infuriated me. But
Speaker 8: maybe that's the wrong term. Cuton absolutely cannot rend the
Speaker 8: Peace Prize for ending even if he does, and the
Speaker 8: war that he started by invading Ukraine. That's that's just
Speaker 8: it can't be.
Speaker 1: I'm sure that's a solid Look, that's a solid argument.
Speaker 1: I can't disagree with that. I simply sometimes say things
Speaker 1: that that I want people to think and respond to.
Speaker 1: And you did that, thank you very much.
Speaker 7: Yeah. And of course some of the other things like, uh,
Speaker 7: you know, let's put him in the ring and fight
Speaker 7: it out.
Speaker 1: That wasn't my suggestion, Robert from Boston.
Speaker 8: But you remember how Zolensky uh replied to Trump. You know,
Speaker 8: I'm not playing a game, and you know that goes
Speaker 8: along with refuting all of that. But anyway, one thing
Speaker 8: that I wanted to point out, I could say, I'm
Speaker 8: slightly more hopeful than I was yesterday because it doesn't
Speaker 8: sound like Trump gave up as much as I feared
Speaker 8: he might have. But this afternoon I caught a uh
Speaker 8: a broadcast uh on the internet. But the Times of
Speaker 8: London was comparing the readout of that call between that
Speaker 8: which was produced by the Americans and by the Russians,
Speaker 8: and uh.
Speaker 1: They're always going to be They're always going to be different.
Speaker 8: Well okay, but so here goes Putin, among other stipulators,
Speaker 8: said that for this to occur, there must be a
Speaker 8: complete cessation of all arms supplies and all intelligence supplied
Speaker 8: to the Ukrainians. Now, that did not appear anywhere in
Speaker 8: the US read out, and it's a pretty significant qualifier.
Speaker 1: Of course it is. Of course, it's called negotiations. That's all.
Speaker 1: You got to start somewhere. I didn't expect Putin to
Speaker 1: say we are going to withdraw all our troops, mister Trump,
Speaker 1: because we made a mistake. We never should have invaded.
Speaker 1: That's not the way it goes. So keep be hopeful.
Speaker 1: Just let's be hopeful again.
Speaker 7: I am slightly more hopeful than I was.
Speaker 1: But good down. Thanks, don talk soon, have a great night.
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