WEBVTT 1 00:00:00.480 --> 00:00:01.520 It's nice eyes. 2 00:00:02.799 --> 00:00:05.960 Undoing you crazy Boston's News Radio. 3 00:00:07.240 --> 00:00:10.119 All right, we're moving right along here, and we're basically 4 00:00:11.199 --> 00:00:16.320 reacting to what happened today in well happened today in 5 00:00:16.399 --> 00:00:23.679 Moscow and in Washington. President Trump and President Putin spent 6 00:00:24.359 --> 00:00:26.600 ninety minutes on the phone this morning. Sounded like they 7 00:00:26.600 --> 00:00:29.519 were there from about ten o'clock until eleven thirty whatever, 8 00:00:30.120 --> 00:00:34.799 ninety minutes, and there seems to be at least the 9 00:00:34.840 --> 00:00:44.039 beginnings of an agreement. Apparently Russia has agreed. To let 10 00:00:44.079 --> 00:00:46.920 me make sure I characterized this correctly. This is from 11 00:00:46.960 --> 00:00:52.719 the White House readout. It said Russia the leaders agreed 12 00:00:53.079 --> 00:00:55.479 that the movement to peace will begin with an energy 13 00:00:55.560 --> 00:01:00.119 and infrastructure ceasefire, as well as technic negotiations on implementation 14 00:01:00.159 --> 00:01:02.960 of a Maritimes ceasefire in the Black Sea. Black Sea 15 00:01:03.079 --> 00:01:07.480 very is very important to Russia. Full ceasefire and permanent peace. 16 00:01:09.560 --> 00:01:15.359 The first step is to stop hitting one another's energy, infrastructure, 17 00:01:15.680 --> 00:01:20.159 energy and infrastructure. That's a step, small step, but a 18 00:01:20.200 --> 00:01:22.280 step in the right direction. So my question is are 19 00:01:22.280 --> 00:01:28.280 you optimistic? Who do you trust? So far, most of 20 00:01:28.319 --> 00:01:33.519 the people who have called have said they don't trust Putin. 21 00:01:34.599 --> 00:01:36.680 I suspected more of you would say that you don't 22 00:01:36.719 --> 00:01:40.879 trust either. But sometimes it's the interest of it's in 23 00:01:40.959 --> 00:01:44.120 the mutual interest of two countries, in this case Russia 24 00:01:44.159 --> 00:01:50.359 and the United States, to try try to end hostilities 25 00:01:50.400 --> 00:01:54.560 between one of those two countries and a third party 26 00:01:54.599 --> 00:01:59.760 here Ukraine. So that's where it is. I wish I 27 00:01:59.799 --> 00:02:02.719 had something more specific to offer. I just want to 28 00:02:02.719 --> 00:02:04.959 hear from you six one, seven, two, five, four, ten 29 00:02:05.040 --> 00:02:07.319 thirty one line there. Six one, seven, nine three, one, 30 00:02:07.400 --> 00:02:10.520 ten thirty. It's kind of a deep topic, but I 31 00:02:10.560 --> 00:02:14.240 think my audience is capable of handling this topic. I 32 00:02:14.280 --> 00:02:18.800 want to know if you are encouraged by a ninety 33 00:02:18.800 --> 00:02:22.840 minute phone conversation that also apparently was parenthetically a conversation 34 00:02:23.039 --> 00:02:28.479 that talked about maybe the National Hockey League teams, probably 35 00:02:28.520 --> 00:02:31.919 like an all star team play against the Russian Professional 36 00:02:31.960 --> 00:02:37.080 Hockey League, the Continental League khal KHL. I don't think 37 00:02:37.240 --> 00:02:40.280 that the Russian team would do particularly well because a 38 00:02:40.280 --> 00:02:45.280 lot of the Russians are over here, as I think 39 00:02:46.280 --> 00:02:54.680 we know. But sometimes sports becomes the bridge to piece. 40 00:02:57.039 --> 00:03:02.120 It's it's it's true. Let's go to Robert in Boston. Robert, 41 00:03:02.159 --> 00:03:04.039 you're gonna start us off this hour. Thanks for your 42 00:03:04.039 --> 00:03:05.680 patience you held through the newscast. 43 00:03:05.719 --> 00:03:09.120 Go right ahead, Robert, Yeah, can you hear me? 44 00:03:09.919 --> 00:03:11.680 I can hear you? Find circle right ahead. 45 00:03:12.719 --> 00:03:13.680 No, I just got this. 46 00:03:14.000 --> 00:03:18.759 It may sound kind of uh strange or just comical, 47 00:03:18.840 --> 00:03:22.240 but I'm thinking, like, these guys are fighting so much, right, 48 00:03:23.639 --> 00:03:26.199 why don't they just go three of them get in 49 00:03:26.280 --> 00:03:29.639 the ring like they didn't the old day, fight it out, 50 00:03:29.800 --> 00:03:32.319 and whoever win got the decision. 51 00:03:33.759 --> 00:03:36.759 Well, I think that in the old days, maybe that 52 00:03:37.039 --> 00:03:42.639 happened when uh so, when when the Visigoths ended up 53 00:03:43.199 --> 00:03:47.000 uh in a war with someone I don't know, I 54 00:03:47.039 --> 00:03:49.199 don't know who they who, the visi Goths would take 55 00:03:49.199 --> 00:03:49.759 it over by. 56 00:03:49.879 --> 00:03:54.479 But uh yeah, they're acting like but but but Trump 57 00:03:54.560 --> 00:03:56.319 and all of them are acting like they're the gods 58 00:03:56.360 --> 00:03:58.680 of the of the world and they're just human being. 59 00:03:59.719 --> 00:04:02.199 They are just human beings. But I'll tell you there's 60 00:04:02.240 --> 00:04:06.080 been a lot of human beings going back to you know, 61 00:04:06.280 --> 00:04:10.439 Hannibal and the elephants crossing the Alps, and Julius Caesar 62 00:04:10.599 --> 00:04:13.879 and all the way up to modern day. I think 63 00:04:13.919 --> 00:04:17.240 what you're saying is wonderful to think that somehow we 64 00:04:17.279 --> 00:04:19.800 would pick our top fighter. I think they did that. 65 00:04:19.839 --> 00:04:22.600 It was a rocky movie, if I'm not mistaken. I mean, 66 00:04:25.560 --> 00:04:27.959 it's the movies. But it's the movies, but it's not 67 00:04:28.000 --> 00:04:28.639 real life. 68 00:04:30.079 --> 00:04:32.399 Let them slugged it out and whoever comes out of winner. 69 00:04:32.480 --> 00:04:37.399 That's what the decision is, all right, that's they're making. 70 00:04:37.639 --> 00:04:40.480 Making it too complicated, and too many people are dying. 71 00:04:41.000 --> 00:04:43.519 Like you know, there's a lot of people who are dying, 72 00:04:43.680 --> 00:04:46.920 a lot of property that has been destroyed, there's no 73 00:04:47.040 --> 00:04:47.879 question about that. 74 00:04:48.040 --> 00:04:52.800 And they have they have no sympathy or compassion for 75 00:04:52.920 --> 00:04:56.720 people's lives. I mean, you can't take people's lives. 76 00:04:56.720 --> 00:04:57.839 And you're not God. 77 00:04:58.000 --> 00:05:00.639 God is God, and God is looking all of this 78 00:05:00.720 --> 00:05:01.240 is happening. 79 00:05:01.639 --> 00:05:02.639 He doesn't like it. 80 00:05:04.000 --> 00:05:06.519 Well, you look, it's happening all over the world. It's 81 00:05:06.519 --> 00:05:09.000 happening all over the world. It's human nature. You see 82 00:05:09.000 --> 00:05:12.839 it in you see it in the Middle East. You 83 00:05:12.920 --> 00:05:17.399 see it in Iran. They want nuclear weapons and their theocrats. 84 00:05:17.720 --> 00:05:22.600 You see it everywhere. Unfortunately, I guess that's that's that's 85 00:05:22.639 --> 00:05:25.120 the way the world will end. Someday will blow ourselves up. 86 00:05:25.120 --> 00:05:26.879 But let's hope not. Let's see what we can do 87 00:05:26.920 --> 00:05:29.839 to me. 88 00:05:30.079 --> 00:05:32.439 I have many grandkids and they need to live a. 89 00:05:34.079 --> 00:05:35.120 Mary free life. 90 00:05:35.240 --> 00:05:38.600 Not yes, so far I only got one. But I 91 00:05:38.720 --> 00:05:41.759 join you, Robert, I join you in that in that wish. Hey, 92 00:05:41.800 --> 00:05:43.879 have you called the show before? Is this your first time? 93 00:05:44.759 --> 00:05:44.879 Now? 94 00:05:44.920 --> 00:05:46.199 I call it before one time? 95 00:05:46.800 --> 00:05:49.680 Well, do me favorite coming back more often? Okay? Thanks Robert, 96 00:05:50.000 --> 00:05:53.600 talk to you. Thank you, Yes, sir, you as well, 97 00:05:53.839 --> 00:05:56.759 Thank you, my friend. Good night. Six one seven, two, five, 98 00:05:56.800 --> 00:05:59.800 four ten thirty. Triple eight nine two nine ten thirty 99 00:06:00.519 --> 00:06:02.399 is one line at six one seven, nine three one 100 00:06:02.519 --> 00:06:05.199 ten thirty. Let's keep rolling here, and I want people 101 00:06:05.199 --> 00:06:08.199 waiting around. Let's go to Bow and holding Massachusetts. I 102 00:06:08.199 --> 00:06:10.319 know we're holding. Is hi Bo welcome? How are you? 103 00:06:10.399 --> 00:06:13.120 I can guarantee Bo has never called the show before 104 00:06:13.279 --> 00:06:14.839 because I do not remember. 105 00:06:14.600 --> 00:06:19.720 Yeah before, No, I tell me okay, okay, and I 106 00:06:19.759 --> 00:06:21.600 remember my European accent. 107 00:06:22.360 --> 00:06:24.800 Yes. But the only other Bow I've ever I've ever 108 00:06:24.920 --> 00:06:27.879 met with were not met herd Of was a guy 109 00:06:28.120 --> 00:06:31.000 pitch for the Who's That Both? 110 00:06:31.160 --> 00:06:31.399 Eric? 111 00:06:32.399 --> 00:06:34.920 Well, No, I never met Bo Derek. No, No, I 112 00:06:35.279 --> 00:06:37.480 didn't even think of Bo Derek. There was a picture 113 00:06:37.519 --> 00:06:40.319 for the Angels way back in the day called Bo Bolinski, 114 00:06:41.360 --> 00:06:44.319 so that's the third we got both from holding Bo 115 00:06:44.439 --> 00:06:47.959 Bolinsky and both Derek. So what's your thought, Bo? What's 116 00:06:47.959 --> 00:06:48.360 your thought? 117 00:06:49.319 --> 00:06:51.600 First of all, there are there are two things I 118 00:06:51.639 --> 00:06:53.360 want to say here, and I hope I'm not out 119 00:06:53.399 --> 00:06:57.639 of place. First of all, any initiative for peace, it's 120 00:06:57.680 --> 00:07:00.920 not more than welcome, it's fantastic, right. So what our 121 00:07:00.959 --> 00:07:05.519 president is doing is I think the right thing. Now, 122 00:07:05.639 --> 00:07:07.920 do we trust Puttin? Do we don't trust Putting? That's 123 00:07:07.959 --> 00:07:10.519 a different story. Of course, we don't trust who don't 124 00:07:10.519 --> 00:07:11.360 trust anybody? 125 00:07:11.439 --> 00:07:11.639 Right? 126 00:07:12.079 --> 00:07:15.680 And you're of our readers, probably we don't trust Putting. 127 00:07:15.720 --> 00:07:18.480 But the initiative for peace is a very well come thing. 128 00:07:18.560 --> 00:07:21.560 The second thing I wanted to say, it's and again 129 00:07:21.600 --> 00:07:23.560 I don't want to sound out of place, but how 130 00:07:23.600 --> 00:07:27.920 many people can they? And some they are your listeners. 131 00:07:27.920 --> 00:07:30.639 Can they even point to Ukraina is on the map? 132 00:07:31.399 --> 00:07:31.600 You know? 133 00:07:31.800 --> 00:07:32.399 Not many? 134 00:07:32.720 --> 00:07:33.199 Do they know? 135 00:07:36.399 --> 00:07:39.199 Not many? They know about the history of Soviet Union, 136 00:07:39.279 --> 00:07:43.040 how these republics were pretty much created, what the conflicts are, 137 00:07:43.079 --> 00:07:45.839 what the ethnical problems are in there? I can tell 138 00:07:45.839 --> 00:07:48.279 you I'm Romanian, and the Romanians they have no rights 139 00:07:48.279 --> 00:07:51.439 in Ukrainia. They don't have charges they are not allowed 140 00:07:51.480 --> 00:07:57.160 to speak Romanian. And actually, by the Ribnrop Molotov part 141 00:07:57.199 --> 00:08:00.160 in nineteen forty a part of Romania was give on 142 00:08:00.199 --> 00:08:03.160 to Ukraine. It's called the Nor. I can check it 143 00:08:03.319 --> 00:08:06.199 with a big majority of Romanian population that they have 144 00:08:06.279 --> 00:08:09.120 no rights and they will never have rights in there. 145 00:08:09.160 --> 00:08:12.720 And now Ukraina wants to join European Union, wants to 146 00:08:12.800 --> 00:08:16.319 join NATO. I mean, it's a joke. This is a joke, 147 00:08:16.399 --> 00:08:17.399 this is a fund. 148 00:08:17.800 --> 00:08:20.680 Well Ukraine one, well, wait, hold on both for a second. 149 00:08:20.800 --> 00:08:23.560 I'm very empathetic to what you say, and I'm so 150 00:08:23.720 --> 00:08:27.399 respect Look, I know I don't know a lot about 151 00:08:27.480 --> 00:08:30.839 Eastern Europe compared to you, but I certainly know Bucharest 152 00:08:30.920 --> 00:08:32.120 is the capital of Romania. 153 00:08:32.320 --> 00:08:32.879 Yes I have. 154 00:08:33.440 --> 00:08:37.799 I have walked by Romanian soldiers in Poland in the 155 00:08:37.879 --> 00:08:43.039 nineteen eighties when I was covering Poland for WBS TV, 156 00:08:43.480 --> 00:08:47.559 and I must tell you the Romanian soldiers, now again, 157 00:08:47.600 --> 00:08:54.440 this was this was before the wall fell. They scared 158 00:08:54.440 --> 00:08:56.720 the heck out of me. I'll tell you, man, they 159 00:08:56.759 --> 00:09:00.159 looked at me like, what are you doing here? It's 160 00:09:00.159 --> 00:09:03.720 my only, my only interchange with with Romanians. But but 161 00:09:03.879 --> 00:09:07.799 before that's before the wall fell. And look the Romanian people. 162 00:09:07.840 --> 00:09:11.720 I have subsequently met Romanians who are amazing people. So 163 00:09:12.120 --> 00:09:14.320 I have all the respects of your world for you 164 00:09:14.480 --> 00:09:19.600 and and for people from Romania to have undergone, undergone 165 00:09:19.679 --> 00:09:23.200 what you did undergo. I mean, it was horrible. I 166 00:09:23.240 --> 00:09:27.679 have a friend of mine who talked to me about 167 00:09:27.919 --> 00:09:31.159 what it was like to live under the boot of 168 00:09:31.200 --> 00:09:36.600 the Soviets. Uh that that people, Yes, it was not 169 00:09:36.679 --> 00:09:37.840 easy at all, So I agree. 170 00:09:37.960 --> 00:09:41.159 I only to remember that, and to remember the revolution 171 00:09:41.320 --> 00:09:44.200 in eighteen nine, to remember the fail the fall of 172 00:09:44.240 --> 00:09:47.000 the Soviet Union, the fall of the Eastern Blow, the 173 00:09:47.080 --> 00:09:51.320 fall of the Warsaw Pact, and to remember all the 174 00:09:51.559 --> 00:09:53.559 and to remember actually the light which came from the 175 00:09:53.639 --> 00:09:57.559 United States when Vegan was president and Gormachos president, which 176 00:09:57.639 --> 00:10:01.960 is Parastroika, and to remember that there was hope. Probably 177 00:10:02.039 --> 00:10:04.919 now there is hope again. Let's let's thing like this, 178 00:10:05.480 --> 00:10:07.879 there is hope again. Maybe Trump and put In they 179 00:10:07.879 --> 00:10:12.120 can do what Gorbachev and Ronald Reagan they did. And 180 00:10:12.200 --> 00:10:16.240 then of course George w Having George Bush the father 181 00:10:17.720 --> 00:10:20.720 did let me let me ask you both questions with 182 00:10:20.840 --> 00:10:21.559 in the two countries. 183 00:10:21.600 --> 00:10:25.759 Tell me, were you there when Siasco Madi states. 184 00:10:25.559 --> 00:10:27.399 Yes, I was in the street, I was in the seat. 185 00:10:27.399 --> 00:10:30.120 I was seventeen years old. I was in the streets. 186 00:10:30.360 --> 00:10:31.120 Yes, good for you. 187 00:10:31.960 --> 00:10:34.919 I was in the military from ninety one to ninety three, 188 00:10:34.960 --> 00:10:37.639 then for the Internal Ministry in Romania. I did my 189 00:10:37.679 --> 00:10:40.480 mandatory military service. Then I came to United States in 190 00:10:40.559 --> 00:10:43.000 ninety five and I became a United States citizen. And 191 00:10:44.279 --> 00:10:46.279 I tell you what I don't feel an next part. 192 00:10:46.320 --> 00:10:48.200 I feel that this is my country. And whenever I 193 00:10:48.240 --> 00:10:50.799 come back from Romania, I can tell you I kissed 194 00:10:50.960 --> 00:10:54.559 the ground. I kissed the ground in Logan Airport. That's 195 00:10:54.600 --> 00:10:54.919 what I do. 196 00:10:55.080 --> 00:10:58.960 Let me just say this, bo, you are. You are 197 00:10:59.399 --> 00:11:02.320 my sort of American, okay. I was lucky enough to 198 00:11:02.360 --> 00:11:06.120 be born here, okay. And I have tremendous respect for 199 00:11:06.200 --> 00:11:09.399 people like you who come here from other countries around 200 00:11:09.440 --> 00:11:12.919 the world where living was probably a lot more difficult 201 00:11:12.919 --> 00:11:16.840 than it is here. But come here legally and and 202 00:11:17.120 --> 00:11:19.879 say what you just said. I mean, you lived under 203 00:11:19.879 --> 00:11:23.639 the boot of the Chichesco family, and your family lived 204 00:11:23.720 --> 00:11:27.000 under the boot of Chichisco family, and we can never 205 00:11:27.200 --> 00:11:33.720 we can never ever understand how you and your and 206 00:11:33.759 --> 00:11:37.799 your family and your country people survived. I have a 207 00:11:37.840 --> 00:11:41.840 friend who's Romanian, and he told me how that his 208 00:11:42.000 --> 00:11:47.559 father was uh was was an enemy of the state, 209 00:11:48.080 --> 00:11:54.240 and how that some of his best friends basically squealed 210 00:11:54.279 --> 00:12:00.559 on him, told the block commanders that that his father 211 00:12:00.840 --> 00:12:04.399 was not supporting Chizesco and hit their family paid for it. 212 00:12:04.480 --> 00:12:08.240 So I know I know, not from firstthand experience, but 213 00:12:08.320 --> 00:12:11.480 from hearing from people like you and this other friend 214 00:12:11.480 --> 00:12:13.559 of mine what it was like to liver under a 215 00:12:13.559 --> 00:12:17.120 communist dictatorship. So thank you for calling this show, and 216 00:12:17.159 --> 00:12:19.960 I hope you'll call more off and I joined and 217 00:12:20.000 --> 00:12:22.519 a hope piece that we can give piece a chance. 218 00:12:23.080 --> 00:12:25.440 Thanks bol, Thank you so much. I really am honored 219 00:12:25.480 --> 00:12:26.080 that you would call. 220 00:12:26.240 --> 00:12:29.120 Thank you, my friend, thank you, thank you, good night, 221 00:12:29.240 --> 00:12:29.799 by good night. 222 00:12:29.840 --> 00:12:33.600 Okay. I'll tell you that's a great call. When you listen, 223 00:12:33.639 --> 00:12:36.320 when you realize the experience that that man has had, 224 00:12:38.120 --> 00:12:42.200 it's it's it's extraordinary. The only line open right now 225 00:12:42.240 --> 00:12:44.320 was six one, seven, nine thirty. 226 00:12:44.799 --> 00:12:44.919 Uh. 227 00:12:45.720 --> 00:12:48.919 I'm beginning to hear some people who are hopeful. I 228 00:12:48.960 --> 00:12:50.720 want to hear from you, whether you're hopeful or not. 229 00:12:51.559 --> 00:12:57.480 But we have to we have to hope, hope that 230 00:12:57.759 --> 00:13:02.519 somehow the situation where you can be resolved and that 231 00:13:02.600 --> 00:13:05.759 the killing can stoff. And also we have to make 232 00:13:05.759 --> 00:13:12.159 sure that Putin complies with whatever peace agreement might be 233 00:13:12.200 --> 00:13:14.600 agreed upon, simple as that. We'll be back on night 234 00:13:14.679 --> 00:13:15.399 Side right after this. 235 00:13:16.360 --> 00:13:19.480 Now back to Dan Ray live from the Window World 236 00:13:19.639 --> 00:13:22.759 night Side Studios on WBZ News Radio. 237 00:13:24.559 --> 00:13:27.679 Back to the phones. We're talking about this ninety minute 238 00:13:27.720 --> 00:13:32.360 telephone conversation between Donald Trump and Vladimir Putin today, presidents 239 00:13:32.360 --> 00:13:36.879 of Russia and the United States, talking about Ukraine, how 240 00:13:36.919 --> 00:13:41.039 to get a ceasefire in place and perhaps end the hostilities. 241 00:13:42.240 --> 00:13:46.120 I don't want to sound overly optimistic. I think there 242 00:13:46.200 --> 00:13:47.720 might have been a step or two in the right 243 00:13:47.759 --> 00:13:52.600 direction today, and we should applaud that. We don't have 244 00:13:52.639 --> 00:13:54.759 to you don't have to be a Trump supporter to 245 00:13:54.840 --> 00:14:00.960 applaud that. But I think, if, if, if we can 246 00:14:01.200 --> 00:14:09.639 structure something that gives Zelensky confidence and provides enough structure 247 00:14:09.759 --> 00:14:12.799 so that Putin will live by whatever he agrees to, 248 00:14:14.159 --> 00:14:19.519 maybe somehow, some way peace might break out. I'm hopeful. 249 00:14:20.000 --> 00:14:22.200 I'd love to know what all of you think, and 250 00:14:22.639 --> 00:14:24.759 if you want to comment on Trump or Putin here, 251 00:14:25.000 --> 00:14:30.320 that's fine. I can understand some of you might like neither. 252 00:14:30.600 --> 00:14:33.279 I get it. Roger in Foxborough, Roger, next time nights. 253 00:14:33.320 --> 00:14:33.960 I go right ahead. 254 00:14:34.759 --> 00:14:35.759 I haven't talked in a while. 255 00:14:35.840 --> 00:14:39.120 Dan, Well, Roger, we're here every night for you. Nice 256 00:14:39.159 --> 00:14:41.480 to talk with you tonight. We what's your take on this? 257 00:14:41.519 --> 00:14:42.120 I'm been busy. 258 00:14:42.639 --> 00:14:44.279 Well, you know, I found it was interesting. One of 259 00:14:44.279 --> 00:14:46.399 the first people to visit Trump when he took office 260 00:14:46.440 --> 00:14:50.360 was Prime Minister Modi of India. Yes, and the Indians 261 00:14:50.399 --> 00:14:52.639 have a great concern here. They're you know, they look 262 00:14:52.720 --> 00:14:57.080 upon the European colonialist oppressors. And for Trump to separate 263 00:14:57.159 --> 00:15:01.559 himself from the Europeans really makes it gives an interesting 264 00:15:01.639 --> 00:15:03.840 dynamic to this whole thing, saying, hey, you know, we're 265 00:15:03.840 --> 00:15:06.480 not dealing with him. This is between US and Russia. 266 00:15:06.720 --> 00:15:09.240 These other people they can sort things out for themselves. 267 00:15:09.559 --> 00:15:09.720 Yeah. 268 00:15:09.799 --> 00:15:12.360 I had not thought of that like that. When when 269 00:15:12.360 --> 00:15:14.759 you bring the Modi and I think that mody. 270 00:15:15.799 --> 00:15:19.799 And trust he's on the work against China. 271 00:15:20.080 --> 00:15:21.120 Yeah. 272 00:15:20.720 --> 00:15:23.120 And this is the thing is if we can if 273 00:15:23.519 --> 00:15:26.559 we I'm not saying I want to see Putin benefit 274 00:15:26.600 --> 00:15:29.360 from this, but if if he can accept a limited 275 00:15:29.399 --> 00:15:32.159 piece of some sort a lot of people in Russia 276 00:15:32.240 --> 00:15:34.440 might sit down and have a beer with Ukrainians and 277 00:15:34.480 --> 00:15:37.519 say what was it all about, and then maybe decide 278 00:15:37.600 --> 00:15:40.360 maybe putin. He's wagging the dog with this war. If 279 00:15:40.399 --> 00:15:42.919 we can get him to back down on this war, 280 00:15:43.240 --> 00:15:45.200 even if it's only temperary, even if he thinks he's 281 00:15:45.240 --> 00:15:48.240 gonna come back later and do something, he may not see. 282 00:15:48.320 --> 00:15:50.279 You know, every dog is his day, but his day 283 00:15:50.360 --> 00:15:52.639 might be done, you know after this. I don't know. 284 00:15:52.799 --> 00:15:56.240 I know, I know that that I believe that he 285 00:15:56.600 --> 00:15:59.039 There were there were reports a couple of years ago 286 00:15:59.399 --> 00:16:02.840 that he had a some sort of disease and they 287 00:16:02.840 --> 00:16:05.600 were they were looking at pictures of him. So, like 288 00:16:05.679 --> 00:16:09.399 anyone else, he's mortal. He's only going to be here 289 00:16:09.440 --> 00:16:10.080 for so long. 290 00:16:10.159 --> 00:16:13.039 And I think, as I say, if if Russia just 291 00:16:13.080 --> 00:16:14.919 goes to hell and the Europeans think they're just going 292 00:16:14.960 --> 00:16:17.480 to come in and you know, loot the place, you know, 293 00:16:17.519 --> 00:16:20.679 their resources and stuff, Indy, China's going to move in. 294 00:16:20.720 --> 00:16:22.639 But like I say, if we try to be fair 295 00:16:22.679 --> 00:16:25.720 to the Russian people, never mind putin just the Russian people, 296 00:16:26.279 --> 00:16:29.080 India would back us against China and they would be 297 00:16:29.120 --> 00:16:32.240 willing to say. But if it's just another European colonialist 298 00:16:32.320 --> 00:16:36.320 power grab here. Ultimately, India might say the hell with y'all, 299 00:16:36.559 --> 00:16:38.279 We'll let China do it, and and then we've got 300 00:16:38.320 --> 00:16:40.879 China fifty miles away from Alaska, not Russia, you know. 301 00:16:40.960 --> 00:16:42.679 And yeah, that's why I don't think that. 302 00:16:42.840 --> 00:16:44.679 I don't think that's going to happen. I think that 303 00:16:44.679 --> 00:16:49.559 that whenever Putin US either leaves office or is removed 304 00:16:49.559 --> 00:16:53.879 from office, there will be probably another hardline of replacing him, 305 00:16:54.200 --> 00:16:58.799 unless the generals, the Russian generals are so angry at 306 00:16:58.840 --> 00:17:02.000 Putin at the way I mean, Russia was at odds 307 00:17:02.080 --> 00:17:06.119 on favored to roll into Ukraine that didn't happen, so 308 00:17:06.119 --> 00:17:10.039 so food and underestimated Ukraine's ability to stand up. 309 00:17:10.799 --> 00:17:12.960 Now it was definitely there. 310 00:17:13.799 --> 00:17:16.839 Approx was up to me, I would have just said, 311 00:17:16.880 --> 00:17:19.759 you violated the buddhifest Achords. They get their nuclear weapons back, 312 00:17:19.839 --> 00:17:20.039 you know. 313 00:17:20.079 --> 00:17:23.599 But yeah, that I just want to know. 314 00:17:24.000 --> 00:17:26.960 I couldn't never, I could never hate the Russian people. 315 00:17:27.000 --> 00:17:28.480 I got to go there when I was a kid 316 00:17:28.519 --> 00:17:30.839 and meet some people, and you know, I mean, who 317 00:17:30.839 --> 00:17:33.240 would have thought Bresnev was a reformer? But when I 318 00:17:33.279 --> 00:17:35.359 was there in winter of seventy four. You know, it 319 00:17:35.480 --> 00:17:37.880 was like there were people they're willing to talk about 320 00:17:37.880 --> 00:17:39.799 stuff they probably would have been shot for talking about 321 00:17:39.839 --> 00:17:42.000 ten years before. 322 00:17:42.759 --> 00:17:46.759 How did you without don't give me any deep dark 323 00:17:46.839 --> 00:17:49.160 family secrets here, but how was it that you could 324 00:17:49.200 --> 00:17:51.559 be in Russia as a kid in nineteen seventy four. 325 00:17:52.839 --> 00:17:54.960 Well, I was fifteen and I had my I had 326 00:17:54.960 --> 00:18:00.079 my sixteenth birthday in Moscow, I had a potty and 327 00:18:00.359 --> 00:18:02.519 I went over on a trip. A friend of mine's 328 00:18:02.519 --> 00:18:04.759 mother was a teacher in the Math Teachers Association with 329 00:18:04.839 --> 00:18:09.200 sponsoring a journey over there for winter vacation, and and 330 00:18:09.839 --> 00:18:11.799 so it was, you know, the Communist Party was and 331 00:18:11.839 --> 00:18:13.519 we were like guests of honor because we were from 332 00:18:13.559 --> 00:18:16.480 Massachusetts and at the time, Massachusetts, you know, everybody was 333 00:18:16.519 --> 00:18:18.640 singing the Beg song Massachusetts. It was the biggest hit 334 00:18:18.680 --> 00:18:19.319 in the country, you know. 335 00:18:19.440 --> 00:18:25.079 I mean it was like, well, Russia is one country 336 00:18:25.119 --> 00:18:26.559 that I have never never visited. 337 00:18:26.720 --> 00:18:28.759 I know, you were on a trip there a couple 338 00:18:28.799 --> 00:18:30.640 of years ago, and then everything went to went to 339 00:18:30.920 --> 00:18:33.119 everything exactly in a handbasket. 340 00:18:33.160 --> 00:18:35.240 We were we were thinking about that we had done 341 00:18:35.279 --> 00:18:39.519 a trip down the Danube River. Yea, I remember you 342 00:18:39.599 --> 00:18:42.039 talking about it a lot of and and we were 343 00:18:42.079 --> 00:18:44.519 going to try try to pull together something which would 344 00:18:44.519 --> 00:18:50.720 include Moscow in Saint Petersburg, and obviously the international events 345 00:18:50.759 --> 00:18:52.680 overtook it. In Americans, I. 346 00:18:52.680 --> 00:18:55.680 Mean, I mean, I could never hate those people, you know, 347 00:18:55.720 --> 00:18:58.759 because like from my experience, you know, they were they 348 00:18:58.759 --> 00:19:00.599 were just as likely to question in their government. Is 349 00:19:00.640 --> 00:19:02.039 that's it's just a question of what can you do? 350 00:19:02.119 --> 00:19:03.119 How can you change things? 351 00:19:03.400 --> 00:19:10.160 What we have under the boot of a dictatorship. And unfortunately, 352 00:19:10.160 --> 00:19:12.880 if you lived in Russia, even when you were there, 353 00:19:14.160 --> 00:19:17.680 there were KGB people everywhere, there were people spying on 354 00:19:17.759 --> 00:19:19.960 every It was it was a horrible place to be. 355 00:19:20.200 --> 00:19:22.720 It's like what they were saying, but. 356 00:19:23.400 --> 00:19:28.240 Well, it's like what Cuba is today. And young Americans 357 00:19:28.240 --> 00:19:30.359 have no idea about what it was like. I mean, 358 00:19:30.400 --> 00:19:34.680 this was you know, Hitler horrible, horrible, but Joe Stallen 359 00:19:35.039 --> 00:19:39.079 equally horrible. Would people forget that it was Stalin and 360 00:19:39.200 --> 00:19:43.039 Hitler who signed the Russian German packed in nineteen thirty 361 00:19:43.160 --> 00:19:44.319 nine in which. 362 00:19:44.119 --> 00:19:48.119 They did Poland. Did you know they were there were. 363 00:19:48.079 --> 00:19:51.319 Jews fleeing the Russian occupied Poland to get to the 364 00:19:51.359 --> 00:19:53.599 German side, even though they knew how bad it was 365 00:19:53.640 --> 00:19:54.240 over there. 366 00:19:54.920 --> 00:19:57.200 Yeah, well I did not know that, but I'm sure 367 00:19:57.200 --> 00:19:57.559 that it was. 368 00:19:58.880 --> 00:20:01.160 It was. It sounds totally insane. 369 00:20:00.759 --> 00:20:00.839 But. 370 00:20:04.119 --> 00:20:07.960 Roger, interesting experience. Let me ask you what you had 371 00:20:07.960 --> 00:20:10.599 an interesting experience at the age of sixteen to be 372 00:20:10.640 --> 00:20:14.799 in Russia nineteen seventy four. What sort of work did 373 00:20:14.880 --> 00:20:16.880 you end up doing? Did I did you end up 374 00:20:16.920 --> 00:20:19.440 becoming a teacher? Well? 375 00:20:19.480 --> 00:20:21.559 I work in a library. Let's say, I thought, I 376 00:20:21.599 --> 00:20:24.000 really can't talk about it. I work in a library, 377 00:20:24.079 --> 00:20:27.079 and I was kind of involved in had extra library 378 00:20:27.119 --> 00:20:29.599 privileges then because I was involved in model Congress and 379 00:20:29.680 --> 00:20:33.000 high school. So I kind of I've always loved books, 380 00:20:33.000 --> 00:20:40.680 and I just so I work in I work in 381 00:20:40.759 --> 00:20:44.640 the let's just say I work. I have access to 382 00:20:45.240 --> 00:20:47.160 things that most people don't have access to. 383 00:20:49.039 --> 00:20:52.440 We'll leave it at that. We'll let people's imagination run wild. 384 00:20:52.680 --> 00:20:55.279 Roger call more often, will you? You're an interesting guy? 385 00:20:55.359 --> 00:20:56.200 Thank you very much? 386 00:20:56.319 --> 00:20:57.440 All right, thank you. 387 00:20:57.519 --> 00:21:00.400 Have a good one. Good night. Six one seven four 388 00:21:00.519 --> 00:21:03.440 ten thirty one line there six one seven nine three 389 00:21:03.519 --> 00:21:07.640 one ten thirty. We're talking about I mean today, we 390 00:21:07.759 --> 00:21:10.559 may look back on today and say that was the 391 00:21:10.640 --> 00:21:17.960 moment in time when a peace agreement, uh was was begun. 392 00:21:18.680 --> 00:21:21.480 That's what I'm I'm looking for tonight. Now. I know 393 00:21:21.640 --> 00:21:27.480 there are those who are skeptical. I'm somewhat skeptical, but 394 00:21:27.799 --> 00:21:31.039 it's a better big day. And I uh, ninety minutes 395 00:21:31.359 --> 00:21:35.079 for Putin and Donald Trump to be on the phone 396 00:21:35.119 --> 00:21:37.359 with one another for ninety minutes. What do you read 397 00:21:37.400 --> 00:21:40.920 into it? Coming back on Night's Side, I hope to 398 00:21:40.960 --> 00:21:43.160 talk about this till eleven. If not, I got another 399 00:21:43.200 --> 00:21:45.960 topic we can throw out there. But this to me 400 00:21:46.279 --> 00:21:52.359 is interesting because the world is changing, folks, whether you 401 00:21:52.440 --> 00:21:54.799