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<v Speaker 1>Go back on the Drive with ESPN's Dave mcminnimon joining

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<v Speaker 1>us for today's NBA Daily Assist.

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<v Speaker 2>All Right, special thanks to uh to Howard Beck for

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<v Speaker 2>stopping by. So I just realized something during the break

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<v Speaker 2>because I always refer to Howard Beck is the hippos

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<v Speaker 2>NBA media member, the hippos NBA rider, Right? Is there

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<v Speaker 2>a chance that Dave mcminnimon is the coolest NBA media member?

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<v Speaker 3>Howard I think is definitely the hip guy.

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<v Speaker 4>He's the hipster.

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<v Speaker 3>He's a hipster.

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<v Speaker 4>He's the Brooklyn hipster.

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<v Speaker 3>Probably weren't a bean, even though it's.

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<v Speaker 2>Lattes, macho LTEs. But Dave is like la. He might

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<v Speaker 2>be the coolest NBA media guy.

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<v Speaker 3>He might have taken that mantle. He's the most famous,

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<v Speaker 3>Oh for sure.

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<v Speaker 2>Dave mcminnimon, celebrity reporter on a Friday, Hello, Dave, how

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<v Speaker 2>are you?

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<v Speaker 1>I'm doing well, but I would willingly try to grab

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<v Speaker 1>for that mantle that you're suggesting. I possibly could fit.

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<v Speaker 1>But it is kind of like being the all time

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<v Speaker 1>hole runs leader in the minor leagues. Like I don't know,

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<v Speaker 1>like being cool amongst NBA beat riders isn't that much

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<v Speaker 1>of an accomplishment.

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<v Speaker 2>Well fair enough, because when I refer to Howard as

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<v Speaker 2>the hippus NBA beat rider, he pushed back as well,

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<v Speaker 2>and I reminded him, like I'll remind you, you are

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<v Speaker 2>up against a bunch of nerds, so it's not like

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<v Speaker 2>there's a massive mass, but.

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<v Speaker 4>You might be.

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<v Speaker 2>Here's a question, though, who's the toughest. Like if you

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<v Speaker 2>all got in a room, who's walking out of that room?

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<v Speaker 1>Are you like like a fist fight?

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah?

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, Like you all go in a room, who's walking

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<v Speaker 2>out of the NBA riders?

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<v Speaker 4>It's not Windhorse.

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<v Speaker 1>Wow, I've never considered this. I'll give respect to one

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<v Speaker 1>of the ogs, Brad Turner, La Times longtime Clippers and

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<v Speaker 1>Lakers writer currently covering the Clippers for them. He is

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<v Speaker 1>a bad man and he has friends who can take

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<v Speaker 1>care of business. He's ever messed with, so he's not

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<v Speaker 1>someone I want to cross.

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<v Speaker 2>Our guy, Ban McMahon probably can throw some punches. Timmy

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<v Speaker 2>good time Bond Temps is tall, but he's seems like

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<v Speaker 2>he does not have to fight.

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<v Speaker 4>I'm not have to think about this one. I'm gonna

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<v Speaker 4>have to think about this one. I like it.

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<v Speaker 2>I like it all right, Dave, you are not traveling

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<v Speaker 2>with the Lakers, so are you with Lebron?

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah? I was lucky to find some service down in

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<v Speaker 1>Cabo to take this call. Oh Lebron, Yeah yeah, Marguerite

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<v Speaker 1>double please okay, yeah, sorry. So once we're done here,

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<v Speaker 1>we're going to go back enjoy the sunset and you know,

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<v Speaker 1>watch the game on satellite feed. But yeah, I mean

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<v Speaker 1>that's not wor's been on our Friday.

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<v Speaker 2>Night gotta love it. What's going on? What's the deal?

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<v Speaker 1>You know?

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<v Speaker 4>Is it they're not in the Cup and he wants

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<v Speaker 4>to chill.

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<v Speaker 2>I mean the reports are everything from a excused personal

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<v Speaker 2>absence to a foot issue.

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<v Speaker 4>You're the guy for this, what's going on with Lebron?

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<v Speaker 1>So it is both of those things. There is a

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<v Speaker 1>foot issue that started to affect him late in that

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<v Speaker 1>four game road trip that they had last week, and

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<v Speaker 1>also he has an excuse absence to get treatment on

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<v Speaker 1>the foot. But also, you know, this is like a

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<v Speaker 1>reset and came into the season with the goal of

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<v Speaker 1>playing in all eighty two games. That went out the

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<v Speaker 1>window when he missed the Portland game. And then it

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<v Speaker 1>was you know, of course, the Lakers competitive group, they

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<v Speaker 1>would have loved to have the opportunity to make five

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<v Speaker 1>hundred thousand dollars in one night in Las Vegas and

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<v Speaker 1>do what they did last year at the NBA Cup.

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<v Speaker 1>That did not occur. The NBA provides the teams that

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<v Speaker 1>don't make it this kind of unique break in the schedule,

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<v Speaker 1>and Lebron and the decision makers of the organization got

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<v Speaker 1>together and said, you know, this is a good time

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<v Speaker 1>for you to do what you gotta do to get

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<v Speaker 1>right mentally and physically to be able to, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>push through the next sixty games that are to come.

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<v Speaker 1>And so the schedule provides him a chance to get

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<v Speaker 1>eight days of rest while only missing two games, and

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<v Speaker 1>so far the Lakers are wanted to know in those

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<v Speaker 1>two games, and so you know, I think, so long

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<v Speaker 1>as the next time we see him on the court,

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<v Speaker 1>which could be as soon as Sunday, he looks better.

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<v Speaker 1>This was a pretty prudent decision by everyone involved.

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<v Speaker 2>Do you feel like people around the league because the

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<v Speaker 2>Jazz also, of course, are out of the Cup. I

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<v Speaker 2>know that's shocking the folks that have been watching Jazz basketball,

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<v Speaker 2>but they they're gonna play to night. But they more

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<v Speaker 2>or less have been off all week. Does it feel

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<v Speaker 2>like teams around the league who are not in the

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<v Speaker 2>you know, the finals coming up in Vegas this this

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<v Speaker 2>next week, do you think they like this respite early

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<v Speaker 2>in the season to kind of reset, as you put it.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh, yeah, I've talked to several people around the league

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<v Speaker 1>that said that exactly to me. Now, I mean, it

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<v Speaker 1>doesn't mean that a team like the Atlanta Hawks, who

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<v Speaker 1>at the start of the NBA Cup said their team

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<v Speaker 1>goals as a young group was to get to Vegas,

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<v Speaker 1>that they're lamenting that they're there right now, or even

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<v Speaker 1>I think Rivers and in staff would say, man, this

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<v Speaker 1>Cup finally, these Cup games kind of woke our team up,

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<v Speaker 1>and now we are in a much better place than

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<v Speaker 1>we were at the STARTU Cup competition. I don't think

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<v Speaker 1>they're going to be regretting it. But the teams that

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<v Speaker 1>didn't make it, you're not going to hear them complaining

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<v Speaker 1>about this kind of quirk in the schedule because it's

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<v Speaker 1>allowed teams to get healthy. It's allowed a team like

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<v Speaker 1>the Lakers. You know, they had basically eight road games

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<v Speaker 1>but they were for two single games, and so it

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<v Speaker 1>was eight different cities that they played in consecutively before

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<v Speaker 1>this little break here, so it allows you know, the

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<v Speaker 1>NBA doesn't have a bye week, right and the NFL

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<v Speaker 1>that's such a part of not just the physical chance

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<v Speaker 1>for teams to rest, but kind of mentally refreshed, get away,

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<v Speaker 1>a little bit planned something from the court, for your

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<v Speaker 1>family of friends, all those types of things. The NBA

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<v Speaker 1>doesn't have that other than All Star weekend, and so

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<v Speaker 1>this gives teams a chance to have that a little bit,

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<v Speaker 1>and I think it's a good thing.

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<v Speaker 4>So we've been talking about this all week.

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<v Speaker 2>You know, the Jazz played OKC last week, and of

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<v Speaker 2>course the Jazz are bad at basketball, but every time

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<v Speaker 2>even though there are a ton of really good teams

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<v Speaker 2>in the West, we may be dealing with an OKCE

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<v Speaker 2>Celtics final full health assumed, of course, and obviously that

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<v Speaker 2>could change. But defensively, Dave I used this analogy with

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<v Speaker 2>Howard today. It's like a bunch of like football safeties,

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<v Speaker 2>they're ballhawks. It's everybody pays attention to the brilliance of

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<v Speaker 2>But defensively they are impossible to break down. So I

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<v Speaker 2>know the narrative has been the West is deep, and

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<v Speaker 2>it is. But could we have an elite team out

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<v Speaker 2>here that maybe people aren't talking about the way that

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<v Speaker 2>most people talk about the Celtics.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I mean I think so. I think, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>like what at this stage of the year, you're just

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<v Speaker 1>trying to see who's going to be separating themselves and

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<v Speaker 1>I think that's it's the category and.

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<v Speaker 2>They've been doing it, you know, without full health, and

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<v Speaker 2>so all that leads me to this. And again we're

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<v Speaker 2>just not even to Christmas yet, but how many teams

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<v Speaker 2>do you feel like have legitimately separated themselves in the

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<v Speaker 2>West where you feel comfortable saying they can actually win

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<v Speaker 1>Well, you know, okay, See it really impressed me when

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<v Speaker 1>they played in LA a couple of weeks ago. They're

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<v Speaker 1>really physical. They're defensive numbers. It's no wonder that they

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<v Speaker 1>rank it's so high, not only in transition defense because

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<v Speaker 1>they have these young athletes being able to get back,

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<v Speaker 1>but in the half court. They're really physical, they're really

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<v Speaker 1>good at switching, and they have guys you know that

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<v Speaker 1>they can and play where if a guy gets in

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<v Speaker 1>out trouble or a guy gets needs to blow and

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<v Speaker 1>is tired, you got another kind of raving it guy

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<v Speaker 1>ready to ballhawk for another six minutes stretched before you

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<v Speaker 1>need another sub. And even though they are young and

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<v Speaker 1>you know, usually I am of the belief that a

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<v Speaker 1>team needs to take their lumps before you're going to

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<v Speaker 1>say they're really going to get there. They're going to

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<v Speaker 1>be really tough out And shake goes alexander Is. You know,

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<v Speaker 1>and this is wild to say because Nikola Jokis's numbers

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<v Speaker 1>are insane, and and maybe I will be a bit

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<v Speaker 1>of a victim of voter fatigue here if I continue

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<v Speaker 1>to have this opinion. But shake goes Asander. I have

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<v Speaker 1>a hard time seeing someone who means more of their

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<v Speaker 1>team right now. And I think he's the MVP of

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<v Speaker 1>the league because everything that he does is translating to them,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, winning so many games right now.

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<v Speaker 2>So I mean it leads us to team like Memphis

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<v Speaker 2>Dallas who wanted a year ago Golden State the Clips

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<v Speaker 2>with Kawhi Denver because they're on court numbers with jokichar insane.

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<v Speaker 2>I mean, how many teams are you willing to put

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<v Speaker 2>in that tier that can actually win the West right now.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, Listen, Dallas just made the finals last year, so

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<v Speaker 1>I'm not going to discount them, especially Lucas he's so good.

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<v Speaker 1>Now they've I think they've regressed a bit, losing a

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<v Speaker 1>guy like Derrek Shones Junior, who was so important to

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<v Speaker 1>their defense. But they're starting to look a little bit

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<v Speaker 1>more like the team we saw last spring, the Wolves.

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<v Speaker 1>I think they're going to regret to call Anthony Towns deal.

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<v Speaker 1>I get it. Financially, it was a decision they felt

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<v Speaker 1>they had to make because they couldn't have all these

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<v Speaker 1>guys in avoid the second Apron and they couldn't find

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<v Speaker 1>a trade partner Rudy Gobert. So I get it from

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<v Speaker 1>the business sense, but I don't think they're going to

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<v Speaker 1>be as tough of an out Houston. I think again,

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<v Speaker 1>I put them in the kind of too young category,

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<v Speaker 1>And you know, I don't know. The Clippers have looked

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<v Speaker 1>really plucky so far. I was just at their practice

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<v Speaker 1>earlier this week. Kawhi Leonard is finally back on the court,

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<v Speaker 1>participating in group activities for the first time since March.

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<v Speaker 1>They're not going to rush him back, but he could

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<v Speaker 1>be back before the new year. And if Kawhi looks

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<v Speaker 1>like the guy who played sixty eight games last year,

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<v Speaker 1>it averaged twenty four to seven and seven with high

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<v Speaker 1>efficiency numbers. I don't discount them. Even though they were

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<v Speaker 1>kind of written off after they didn't re sign Paul George.

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<v Speaker 1>I think they could make some noise at Tyler is

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<v Speaker 1>as good as a technicians there is in the game.

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<v Speaker 1>So it's still kind of opened in the West. But okay,

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<v Speaker 1>see's the team I think that's separated themselves a little bit,

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<v Speaker 1>especially because there's something like eleven and two of the

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<v Speaker 1>last thirteen and that's without chet Holmgren. And at some

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<v Speaker 2>Butler's out and so much so that we have a

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<v Speaker 2>list of preferred teams. But it's not like Miami is

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<v Speaker 2>But two part question, why would the Heat trade Jimmy,

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<v Speaker 1>It's Jimmy's thirty five years old, if I'm not mistaken.

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<v Speaker 1>He already has fifty two million coming to him next year.

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<v Speaker 1>has been you know, he's not a Mount Rushmore member

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<v Speaker 1>on their all time roster, whether it's in the first

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<v Speaker 1>five or off the bench. But this is kind of

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<v Speaker 1>the Heat way, like, you know, they're not gonna kind

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<v Speaker 1>the Calves. But they had a number they weren't going

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<v Speaker 1>to give to Dwayne Wade. And certainly that's the same

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<v Speaker 1>mentality have with Jimmy Butler. So again, it's more of

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<v Speaker 1>a business sense type of move, and yeah, I understand it,

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<v Speaker 1>and quite frankly, they could set themselves up because you know,

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<v Speaker 1>guy is, right, so you want to be limber enough

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<v Speaker 1>when that guy becomes available. And you know, five six

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<v Speaker 1>and he's given his best years to the franchise, and

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<v Speaker 1>now they're going to reset, and I certainly anticipate him

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<v Speaker 2>and we are your affiliate in this market. But ultimately,

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<v Speaker 2>and you know, it's a topic that is complex because

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<v Speaker 2>lot of people that have turned NBA basketball off this

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<v Speaker 2>year for whatever reason, and there are a lot of

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<v Speaker 2>them that we could get into.

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<v Speaker 4>We discussed this last segment with Howard.

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<v Speaker 2>prism of a piece that was written by Tom Harris.

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<v Speaker 2>Jone Town did a really good job to indicate that

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<v Speaker 2>the two markets who suffer most from superstars either not

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<v Speaker 2>Salt Lake in Denver. Maybe that's a time zone thing,

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<v Speaker 2>Maybe it's a I don't want to be cold in

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<v Speaker 2>February thing, But that's something we run into here. It's

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<v Speaker 2>an interesting dichotomy in our market, Dave, because our local

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<v Speaker 2>TV ratings, like when Mitchell Gobert Quinn Snyder, when that

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<v Speaker 2>only Golden State, but we were down as far as

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<v Speaker 2>the national stuff goes in the twenties. So a lot

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<v Speaker 2>of people watch jazz basketball here and not a ton

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<v Speaker 4>But you're the guy for this.

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<v Speaker 2>Why do you think a lot of people seem to

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, it's unfortunate. I think there's layered reasons here. And

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<v Speaker 1>younger generation being so plugged into their phones. Where they

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<v Speaker 1>are they're still very much consumers of the NBA, but

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<v Speaker 1>they don't watch a game. They watch the highlights and

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<v Speaker 1>memes and discussion and tweets and Instagram posts that come

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<v Speaker 1>themselves plugged in as a fan. That's not the worst

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<v Speaker 1>thing for the NBA, and certainly we should mention that

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<v Speaker 1>at the same time this is occurring, and of course,

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<v Speaker 1>obviously you know this, this will be a concern for

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<v Speaker 1>you know, the company I work for and any television

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<v Speaker 1>partner that the NBA has moving forward. But the attendance

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<v Speaker 1>numbers are still quite good, I think, actually I believe

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<v Speaker 1>last year they said an all time attendance record for

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<v Speaker 1>ticket and set their button a seat to watch a

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<v Speaker 1>live game. So it doesn't mean that the popularity of

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<v Speaker 1>the league is falling off the cliff, but clearly there

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<v Speaker 1>is a problem with getting people to tune in to

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<v Speaker 1>games and some of that obviously, the regular seasons is

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<v Speaker 1>very long at one point and may problem with load management,

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<v Speaker 1>and so the league addressed that by you know, finding

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<v Speaker 1>teams if they violate the policy. Then the kind of

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<v Speaker 1>anecdotal evidence was if you're a general sports fan you

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<v Speaker 1>don't think the NBA season starts until Christmas Day. That's

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<v Speaker 1>you're not paying attention until kind of football's over. So

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<v Speaker 1>the NBA said, Okay, we're going to create this NBA

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<v Speaker 1>Cup in season tournament that occurs in the first third

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<v Speaker 1>of the season prior to Christmas Day as a carrot

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<v Speaker 1>to get people to watch. You know, at least the

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<v Speaker 1>league is recognizing that they got to do something. Last season,

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<v Speaker 1>the amount of fouls that were called dramatically dipped from

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<v Speaker 1>the All Star Game forward because the anecdotal evidence the

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<v Speaker 1>league was finding out was that games in the one

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<v Speaker 1>fifty range just aren't that appealing to viewers that are

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<v Speaker 1>accustomed to seeing the competition involve a little bit of defense.

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<v Speaker 1>And so, you know, I think the leagu's got to

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<v Speaker 1>keep making attempts to fix this because you are I mean,

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<v Speaker 1>obviously you're a basketballuy, I'm a basketball guy. Like, there's

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<v Speaker 1>an intrinsic appreciation we have for these athletes and what

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<v Speaker 1>the game is. Uh, there's got to be a way

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<v Speaker 1>to convey that to the general public, and the lead's

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<v Speaker 1>going to keep trying. Now, one thing I will say,

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<v Speaker 1>I'm sure Howard talked about this I'm pretty sure I've

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<v Speaker 1>read him right about this several times, is that the

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<v Speaker 1>homogenization of the style of play offensively is certainly hurting

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<v Speaker 1>the game. It's because it's already my interest in the game,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, the the Dell moorification of we're only going

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<v Speaker 1>to go for layups, dunks, free throws and threes. It's

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<v Speaker 1>a boring product. And you know, there we need another

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<v Speaker 1>Phil Jackson and text winner to come through with with

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<v Speaker 1>that so long as that success, teams will try it,

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<v Speaker 1>and I think more people will be interested.

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<v Speaker 1>he's a little hes a little guy. So I don't

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<v Speaker 1>know if we wouldn't be got in the same rink.

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<v Speaker 2>Okay, fair enough, last thing on Sunday, eighty seven percent

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<v Speaker 2>of the league is now eligible eligible to be traded.

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<v Speaker 2>We talked about the Butler thing. Anything else kind of

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<v Speaker 2>out there permeating that is of interest with players that

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<v Speaker 2>like the Pelicans have to do something. But what do

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<v Speaker 2>you think we could see coming up after Sunday when

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<v Speaker 2>most of the league is eligible to be moved.

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<v Speaker 1>Now, yeah, I mean brandon Ingram's in a very similar

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<v Speaker 1>situation to Jimmy Butler. No one has given has given

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<v Speaker 1>no indication that they're going to be willing to kind

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<v Speaker 1>it's kind of like, are you gonna just join into

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<v Speaker 1>the capsule of like sweepstakes? You know, apparently they already are.

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<v Speaker 1>I mean, I don't think this was the intention of

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<v Speaker 1>Zion played in that plane. That's one of the game

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<v Speaker 1>against the Lakers last year forty points and you know,

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<v Speaker 1>last year, but they just haven't been healthy this year.

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<v Speaker 1>And so if you move Ingram, well then all bets

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<v Speaker 1>are off with Zion, And then you talk about guys

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<v Speaker 1>then they completely reset what they're doing down there. So

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<v Speaker 1>that's a team to keep an eye on. Then there's

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<v Speaker 1>the buyers. You know, certainly Golden State, considering where they

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<v Speaker 1>are with Steph Curry's career, Phoenix where they are with

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<v Speaker 1>move you know, they're but all three of those teams

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<v Speaker 1>And I anticipate the be movement. I mean, maybe not

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<v Speaker 1>starting right at the buzzer on Sunday when December fifteenth

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<v Speaker 1>see some movement.

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<v Speaker 2>Dave, Thank you, my friend. Appreciate it. On a Friday,

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<v Speaker 2>have a great weekend.

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<v Speaker 1>Okay, yes, sir, thanks Beth.

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<v Speaker 4>All right.

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