WEBVTT 1 00:00:01.280 --> 00:00:02.359 Okay, one hour. 2 00:00:02.439 --> 00:00:04.960 The sprint is on fred Rogan, Rodney Pete A five 3 00:00:05.080 --> 00:00:08.400 seventy LA Sports. We were off yesterday for Memorial Days, 4 00:00:08.400 --> 00:00:11.560 so why we are refreshed for our sixty minute presentation? 5 00:00:11.720 --> 00:00:12.519 Rodney? How are you? 6 00:00:13.199 --> 00:00:19.320 Oh, Freddy Retty, Reddy, Freddy, Freddy, I'm good. I had 7 00:00:19.359 --> 00:00:23.559 a great weekend. I had a great weekend. Did you 8 00:00:23.600 --> 00:00:26.000 have a great weekend? I did a whole lot of nothing, 9 00:00:26.039 --> 00:00:30.679 went to a couple of little barbecues and just hung 10 00:00:30.719 --> 00:00:34.439 out and like you said, batcat did all weekend, Freddy. 11 00:00:34.479 --> 00:00:36.880 And now ready for this sixty minute spread. 12 00:00:37.359 --> 00:00:40.960 Okay, So while we were away, the Dodgers not so 13 00:00:41.079 --> 00:00:44.799 good against the Mets, really good yesterday against the Indians. 14 00:00:45.960 --> 00:00:49.840 The Guardians, I'm a Guardian, right right, Old habits die hard, 15 00:00:50.079 --> 00:00:52.799 I know I do the same thing, Old habits die hard. 16 00:00:53.280 --> 00:00:55.759 Against the Mets, they couldn't hit. Let's just be honest. 17 00:00:55.880 --> 00:00:59.159 They just didn't hit, and that came back to haunt. 18 00:00:59.159 --> 00:01:02.920 I'm Tony Gonsolin got tagged there pretty good. And against 19 00:01:02.960 --> 00:01:07.560 the Mets, Tanner Scott blow another save on Friday. Now, 20 00:01:07.840 --> 00:01:11.719 let's be really honest about this. It's not like when 21 00:01:11.719 --> 00:01:13.640 they signed him. You didn't think, well, you've got the 22 00:01:13.680 --> 00:01:15.840 guy now. I mean, this is the guy who's gonna 23 00:01:15.840 --> 00:01:19.640 shut the door every time, and he hasn't quite Frankly, 24 00:01:20.000 --> 00:01:21.959 he hasn't looked really crisp Rodney. 25 00:01:23.599 --> 00:01:26.560 So first, what do you think of what he's going through? 26 00:01:28.040 --> 00:01:29.400 Yeah, I don't want to. You know, look, we're not 27 00:01:29.439 --> 00:01:31.319 making excuses. He's got a job to do, right, He's 28 00:01:31.359 --> 00:01:33.120 got to come in and shut it down, or at 29 00:01:33.200 --> 00:01:35.840 least stop all the bleeding and hold the lead, hold 30 00:01:35.879 --> 00:01:38.400 the line when he comes in the game, and he 31 00:01:38.560 --> 00:01:43.719 struggled to do that here lately. You know, the different 32 00:01:43.719 --> 00:01:46.239 guys go through different stretches during the course of the season. 33 00:01:47.519 --> 00:01:50.920 He obviously comes in in high leverage situation. So it's 34 00:01:50.959 --> 00:01:53.760 not easy mentally, but that's what they brought him in for, 35 00:01:54.040 --> 00:01:56.879 that's what they're paying him for. He's got to get 36 00:01:56.920 --> 00:02:00.480 it going, no doubt. I mean, the Dodgers, as much 37 00:02:00.519 --> 00:02:03.680 as we'd love to see them, you know, win games 38 00:02:03.760 --> 00:02:06.000 by seven eight runs, it's not gonna happen. They're going 39 00:02:06.040 --> 00:02:07.719 to be in a lot of tight ball games one 40 00:02:07.799 --> 00:02:10.159 two run ball games. Uh, And he's got to be 41 00:02:10.159 --> 00:02:12.879 able to keep it there. And so he's got to 42 00:02:12.879 --> 00:02:15.319 get better, but he is. He certainly has struggled. And 43 00:02:15.879 --> 00:02:20.560 and you know, I know, you know, Mark Pryor said 44 00:02:20.960 --> 00:02:23.479 that he's throwing way too many pitches right down the 45 00:02:23.479 --> 00:02:25.800 middle of the play for it, and that is something 46 00:02:25.800 --> 00:02:29.840 when you give that to big league hitters, that they 47 00:02:29.879 --> 00:02:31.120 are going to make you pay for it. 48 00:02:31.599 --> 00:02:33.680 Yeah, well, it's pretty simple because that's exactly what Mark 49 00:02:33.680 --> 00:02:36.120 Pryor said. All right, we identified the problem. What is 50 00:02:36.120 --> 00:02:40.199 that he's just throwing the ball down the middle? All right, Well, 51 00:02:40.240 --> 00:02:42.919 to me, that's a pretty simple problem to identify. He's 52 00:02:42.960 --> 00:02:45.479 just throwing the ball down the middle. And even he 53 00:02:45.479 --> 00:02:47.960 will admit he's not getting the swing and missing once. 54 00:02:48.159 --> 00:02:48.759 Here's the thing. 55 00:02:48.840 --> 00:02:50.439 Of course, he has time to work it out, and 56 00:02:50.479 --> 00:02:53.000 he will work it out. But honestly, it's not what 57 00:02:53.039 --> 00:02:54.800 you expect from a guy to sign that kind of 58 00:02:54.840 --> 00:02:56.800 deal that comes in here as the top closer in 59 00:02:56.879 --> 00:02:59.680 baseball and he's throwing too many pitches down the middle 60 00:02:59.719 --> 00:03:03.159 of the play. They'll fix it. They'll fix it because 61 00:03:03.159 --> 00:03:05.919 they don't have the luxury of not fixing it. And 62 00:03:06.080 --> 00:03:10.960 he brought Vesiga in to relieve Tanner. Scott. That can't 63 00:03:11.000 --> 00:03:13.319 be the last guy that needs to pitch is Tanner Scott. 64 00:03:13.360 --> 00:03:16.039 If he's in the game, nobody can come in after him. 65 00:03:16.319 --> 00:03:21.159 He's got to shut it down. So that is a 66 00:03:21.199 --> 00:03:25.280 tad bit concerning a tad bit, but I think they'll 67 00:03:25.280 --> 00:03:27.520 get that fixed. Oh, they didn't hit very well against 68 00:03:27.520 --> 00:03:31.159 the Mets. Tony gallanst allowed four runs in five innings Saturday, 69 00:03:32.120 --> 00:03:34.680 and Max Munsey wooted a ball that hurt him as well. 70 00:03:35.800 --> 00:03:37.520 But you put that behind you because it was off 71 00:03:37.560 --> 00:03:40.439 to Cleveland. You had Yamamoto on the hill last night 72 00:03:40.800 --> 00:03:42.080 that it was a whole new ball game. 73 00:03:42.520 --> 00:03:46.479 Yes, the thing, I don't think he's been the rock 74 00:03:46.599 --> 00:03:50.800 for this team, Yamamoto, I can gets enough credit credit 75 00:03:50.840 --> 00:03:53.520 for doing what he's done, you know, coming in here 76 00:03:53.599 --> 00:03:55.360 last year with all that pressure on him, and then 77 00:03:55.479 --> 00:03:57.840 you know we saw him be deliver in the in 78 00:03:57.879 --> 00:04:00.599 the postseason last year, but even the year with all 79 00:04:00.639 --> 00:04:03.280 the injuries, with all the things going on, and he's 80 00:04:03.280 --> 00:04:05.439 done this the multiple times this year where the Dodgers 81 00:04:05.560 --> 00:04:08.319 need just they just need a good outing by their 82 00:04:08.360 --> 00:04:10.439 starting pitcher, and he comes in and he gives it 83 00:04:10.479 --> 00:04:13.639 to him and he delivers. And this is the multiple 84 00:04:13.719 --> 00:04:16.800 times lately that they desperately need a guy to be 85 00:04:16.920 --> 00:04:21.120 dominant on the hill, and Yamamoto has done that time 86 00:04:21.160 --> 00:04:23.519 and time and again. So I'm giving him as props 87 00:04:23.560 --> 00:04:25.600 Fred because I think he definitely deserves it, more so 88 00:04:25.680 --> 00:04:28.839 than anybody right now with the injury factor to the 89 00:04:28.839 --> 00:04:31.160 pitching staff. Well, and that's why they gave him that 90 00:04:31.240 --> 00:04:33.879 long term deal for all that money, because they knew 91 00:04:34.279 --> 00:04:37.000 that would be the guy that eventually would be their race. 92 00:04:37.079 --> 00:04:39.279 I don't think they believe it would happen this year, 93 00:04:39.319 --> 00:04:42.240 but it's certainly on the version happening given the injuries. 94 00:04:42.720 --> 00:04:46.199 So he pitched well, they hit the ball. Every year 95 00:04:46.240 --> 00:04:48.879 we have the same conversation. It's something I can't understand 96 00:04:48.879 --> 00:04:51.079 and perhaps you can shed some light on it. What 97 00:04:51.240 --> 00:04:52.399 is this feast or famine? 98 00:04:52.480 --> 00:04:56.920 Offensively, it's either tear the cover off the ball or nothing. 99 00:04:57.800 --> 00:05:00.240 And we talk about it every single year. And you 100 00:05:00.240 --> 00:05:02.240 would think with a roster like the Dodgers have and 101 00:05:02.279 --> 00:05:05.920 a lineup like they have, that would be preventable. Somebody's 102 00:05:05.959 --> 00:05:07.759 always got to be on with that many guys that 103 00:05:07.839 --> 00:05:11.079 can play, But it's not the case. It's the same 104 00:05:11.160 --> 00:05:16.319 thing famine in New York, feast yesterday in Cleveland, Rodney. Yeah, 105 00:05:16.800 --> 00:05:18.279 you know, it's hard to put your finger on it 106 00:05:18.279 --> 00:05:21.600 because when it happens to an entire team, you usually 107 00:05:21.600 --> 00:05:22.480 don't see that much. 108 00:05:22.519 --> 00:05:24.920 You usually see it with individuals, like you know, a 109 00:05:25.000 --> 00:05:26.759 guy will get on a hot streak you know, hit 110 00:05:27.360 --> 00:05:30.120 you know, and have a weekend where he you know, hits, 111 00:05:30.199 --> 00:05:34.120 goes ten for fifteen one series and then comes back 112 00:05:34.160 --> 00:05:37.959 and goes one for twenty one three days later. So 113 00:05:38.920 --> 00:05:41.639 it usually happens. But when it happens to the entire team, 114 00:05:41.720 --> 00:05:43.839 especially with the lineup like the Dodgers have and all 115 00:05:43.839 --> 00:05:45.439 the firepower that the Dodgers have. 116 00:05:46.399 --> 00:05:48.360 It really is unusual. 117 00:05:48.600 --> 00:05:52.360 And you know, it can't continue all season long because 118 00:05:52.360 --> 00:05:55.199 that is that is not a good recipe for sustained 119 00:05:55.240 --> 00:05:58.839 success because in a series, especially in the postseason, you 120 00:05:58.920 --> 00:06:02.800 got to put together consistant multiple games where you're scoring 121 00:06:02.879 --> 00:06:05.160 runs and hitting the ball, but his feast of famine. 122 00:06:05.240 --> 00:06:08.120 You better have home field advantage if you don't, if 123 00:06:08.160 --> 00:06:10.519 you live like that for it, otherwise you're in real, 124 00:06:10.560 --> 00:06:14.399 real trouble. But again, they're too talent. There's too many 125 00:06:14.439 --> 00:06:16.319 guys up and down that lineup for them to have 126 00:06:16.839 --> 00:06:17.879 multiple games like this. 127 00:06:18.959 --> 00:06:22.000 Okay, justin Mago's tonight, look good in his last outing, 128 00:06:22.519 --> 00:06:27.759 had struggled during May prior to that, but look good 129 00:06:27.759 --> 00:06:30.199 in his last outing. So he'll get a crack at 130 00:06:30.199 --> 00:06:33.920 the Guardians tonight. It's an East Coast game or East 131 00:06:33.920 --> 00:06:36.199 time Zone game, and that means you will hear the 132 00:06:36.279 --> 00:06:42.600 game here at about three thirty. Okay, how about Chris 133 00:06:42.600 --> 00:06:47.079 Taylor found a job. Yes, he did, got himself a 134 00:06:47.160 --> 00:06:47.920 Johnsy did. 135 00:06:50.600 --> 00:06:53.439 We're happy for Chris Taylor, you know, as we talked 136 00:06:53.439 --> 00:06:56.279 about it a lot last week about you know, what 137 00:06:56.319 --> 00:06:58.439 he meant to this team and how many years he 138 00:06:58.480 --> 00:07:01.279 was here. They delivered some big, gigantic moments for the 139 00:07:01.319 --> 00:07:05.360 Dodgers in their road to multiple playoff, first and World Series. 140 00:07:06.040 --> 00:07:07.839 It was just sad to see him, see him go 141 00:07:07.879 --> 00:07:11.360 out like that and see him leave, but it was 142 00:07:11.439 --> 00:07:14.279 really nice to see that he landed on his feet 143 00:07:14.360 --> 00:07:15.920 and he's not too. 144 00:07:15.759 --> 00:07:16.439 Far away for it. 145 00:07:16.839 --> 00:07:18.759 Yeah, he's gonna play three or four times a week 146 00:07:19.079 --> 00:07:21.519 with the Angels. When I heard he signed, I had 147 00:07:21.519 --> 00:07:26.519 to watch. I had to watch, and you know, good 148 00:07:26.519 --> 00:07:29.879 for him. He got what he wanted. He's certainly going 149 00:07:29.920 --> 00:07:33.399 to play more consistently than he would have with the Dodgers. 150 00:07:33.839 --> 00:07:35.120 But what a bizarre site. 151 00:07:36.199 --> 00:07:38.879 Yeah, what a weird site that was to see him 152 00:07:39.399 --> 00:07:44.680 wearing an Angel uniform. Yeah, it didn't honestly, and good 153 00:07:44.680 --> 00:07:47.480 for him, Good for him. It didn't even look like 154 00:07:47.519 --> 00:07:51.040 he belonged there. But then again, does anybody want to 155 00:07:51.079 --> 00:07:51.399 be there? 156 00:07:52.439 --> 00:07:52.920 Cheap shot? 157 00:07:53.000 --> 00:07:53.199 Hey? 158 00:07:53.240 --> 00:07:55.680 Hey, sorry hey, cheap shot Angels? 159 00:07:55.759 --> 00:08:02.199 Angels are turning it around right talking about are you 160 00:08:02.240 --> 00:08:04.519 saying it looks odd because he's like, it is the 161 00:08:04.560 --> 00:08:07.000 Angels or that just seeing him in a different uniform 162 00:08:07.000 --> 00:08:10.079 because it was odd. I guess it was odd to see, 163 00:08:10.279 --> 00:08:12.360 you know, a guy like Justin Turner when he left 164 00:08:12.360 --> 00:08:14.680 and we had to see him basically him coming back 165 00:08:14.720 --> 00:08:17.600 to town. But certainly would have been worse or different 166 00:08:17.759 --> 00:08:20.600 or weirder if he was playing for the Angels and 167 00:08:20.639 --> 00:08:23.639 we saw him, you know, so, I think it definitely 168 00:08:23.680 --> 00:08:26.759 to your point, I think it's something odd to see 169 00:08:26.800 --> 00:08:29.079 a Dodger go play for the Angels. 170 00:08:29.560 --> 00:08:33.200 Yeah, it was just if he had played for anybody, 171 00:08:33.240 --> 00:08:36.480 it would have seemed strange to see that. It was 172 00:08:36.519 --> 00:08:40.639 weird and watching him again and good, he's got a job. 173 00:08:40.679 --> 00:08:43.840 But it's like, when I saw him. 174 00:08:44.080 --> 00:08:47.000 What are you doing there? Yeah? Well, how are you 175 00:08:47.080 --> 00:08:49.559 doing there? And on top of it. It kind of 176 00:08:49.559 --> 00:08:53.559 looked like he was saying, what am I doing here? Yeah? 177 00:08:53.600 --> 00:08:55.559 Why am I here? I mean, how did this happen? 178 00:08:55.679 --> 00:08:59.399 He didn't get Miguel Vargus. You know, that didn't happen 179 00:08:59.440 --> 00:08:59.840 to him. 180 00:09:00.360 --> 00:09:04.879 Yeah, thank god, I means, and gay he's into the 181 00:09:05.679 --> 00:09:08.399 wilderness and think, oh my god, what happened to me? No, 182 00:09:08.519 --> 00:09:11.799 that didn't happen the Abyss, Fred Steer into the Abyss. 183 00:09:11.919 --> 00:09:15.960 Jesus Chicago White Sox. I mean, only the Rocky is 184 00:09:15.960 --> 00:09:19.320 probably worse than that team. But no, it's a it's 185 00:09:19.320 --> 00:09:21.960 a gig. And you know, he said it. It came 186 00:09:21.960 --> 00:09:24.799 out after he was he was released that you know, 187 00:09:24.879 --> 00:09:26.960 one of the things that he wanted to do was 188 00:09:27.039 --> 00:09:29.519 to play. You know, and as you get to a 189 00:09:29.559 --> 00:09:31.879 certain part in your career and you still believe as 190 00:09:31.879 --> 00:09:34.279 a veteran, you still believe that you've got some gas 191 00:09:34.279 --> 00:09:36.360 in the tank and you can still play. And yes, 192 00:09:36.440 --> 00:09:39.679 you you fell into circumstances with the Dodgers where you 193 00:09:39.759 --> 00:09:43.639 were struggling to hit and struggling to find playing time, 194 00:09:44.200 --> 00:09:45.799 and you still believe that you can do it. So 195 00:09:45.919 --> 00:09:49.559 it's sometimes better to find a a new scenery and 196 00:09:49.559 --> 00:09:53.399 and hopefully that turned yourself around. But he's got what 197 00:09:53.440 --> 00:09:55.879 he what he's you know, he's got the hardware. So 198 00:09:55.919 --> 00:09:59.519 he's got World Series appearances. He's got two World Series 199 00:09:59.600 --> 00:10:02.720 rings at this stage time. Now I want to go play. 200 00:10:02.840 --> 00:10:04.960 I want to play and see if I still got it, 201 00:10:05.159 --> 00:10:07.559 to see how many years left I can play, And 202 00:10:07.600 --> 00:10:10.320 I got to find out otherwise I can't keep going 203 00:10:10.399 --> 00:10:13.759 through the same situations with the Dodgers where I play 204 00:10:13.799 --> 00:10:16.120 every fifth day or you know, play in a in 205 00:10:16.159 --> 00:10:19.600 a late inning situation. I want to see if I 206 00:10:19.639 --> 00:10:21.559 can play. And you got to hand it to him 207 00:10:21.559 --> 00:10:24.879 for stepping up like that, and for the Dodgers for saying, listen, 208 00:10:25.159 --> 00:10:28.039 all right, it didn't look good for you anyway. So 209 00:10:28.039 --> 00:10:30.000 we're gonna have to We're gonna let you go go 210 00:10:30.039 --> 00:10:30.519 do your thing. 211 00:10:30.519 --> 00:10:31.080 We're rooting you. 212 00:10:31.120 --> 00:10:34.960 Well, yeah, but when when you were when you were 213 00:10:35.000 --> 00:10:38.879 playing and uh, you know, you played for a number 214 00:10:38.919 --> 00:10:42.279 of teams, was there a point where you wanted to 215 00:10:42.320 --> 00:10:44.600 prove to yourself you could still do it when you 216 00:10:44.679 --> 00:10:49.720 weren't a starter. Did that matter? Oh yeah, it definitely mattered. 217 00:10:49.879 --> 00:10:54.399 It definitely mattered. I you know, I spent five years 218 00:10:54.440 --> 00:10:57.559 in Detroit and got out of Detroit got out of 219 00:10:57.799 --> 00:11:01.600 jail basically, and I went to Dallas as a backup. 220 00:11:01.639 --> 00:11:04.320 And you know, one of one of the reasons I 221 00:11:04.360 --> 00:11:06.360 went to Dallas in the first place. First of all, 222 00:11:06.440 --> 00:11:08.799 you know, foy Iigman was not going anywhere. They just 223 00:11:08.840 --> 00:11:10.960 came back and winning back to back Super Bowls. 224 00:11:11.000 --> 00:11:15.320 But there was an opportunity for me in Dallas to 225 00:11:16.440 --> 00:11:19.279 probably start three to four games because it's you know, 226 00:11:19.399 --> 00:11:22.960 especially at that time, when quarterbacks could get hit. There 227 00:11:22.960 --> 00:11:25.440 were gonna be periods of time during a sixteen game 228 00:11:25.519 --> 00:11:27.360 season that the quarterback was rarely going. 229 00:11:27.279 --> 00:11:28.679 To play all sixteen games. 230 00:11:29.240 --> 00:11:31.039 And so I knew I was going to get a 231 00:11:31.120 --> 00:11:33.480 chance to play, and then to go there and play 232 00:11:33.600 --> 00:11:37.639 with that offensive line and EMITTT Smith and Irvin and 233 00:11:37.759 --> 00:11:40.240 Alvin harp Brow, I say, I'm I'm gonna go down 234 00:11:40.279 --> 00:11:43.879 here and and look good and then I'll get another shot, 235 00:11:44.000 --> 00:11:46.039 because that's what I wanted. And I could have stayed 236 00:11:46.080 --> 00:11:48.200 at Dallas and just been there as a backup for 237 00:11:48.360 --> 00:11:51.960 a number of years and rolled it out, but I 238 00:11:52.039 --> 00:11:55.279 wanted to go play, and and thank god, I was 239 00:11:55.320 --> 00:11:58.279 able to play in four games in Dallas and played 240 00:11:58.320 --> 00:12:01.559 well enough that Philadelphia decided they wanted to sign me 241 00:12:01.600 --> 00:12:03.600 as a free agent, and I went to Philadelphia and 242 00:12:03.639 --> 00:12:08.799 became a starter. So there was not a question in 243 00:12:08.799 --> 00:12:10.720 your mind because you mentioned with Chris Taylor he still 244 00:12:10.759 --> 00:12:14.039 got to prove that he can do it. You believed 245 00:12:14.039 --> 00:12:15.639 you could do it, You knew you could do it, 246 00:12:17.600 --> 00:12:20.360 and then you went to Philadelphia. But as you continued 247 00:12:20.480 --> 00:12:24.039 through your journey, was there ever a point you thought 248 00:12:24.080 --> 00:12:26.480 you still had to prove it to yourself or did 249 00:12:26.519 --> 00:12:30.360 you just go to you you couldn't go anymore. Now, 250 00:12:30.559 --> 00:12:38.440 as I got I got into my what eleventh, twelfth year, 251 00:12:39.240 --> 00:12:43.320 I felt pretty good. I had started more more years 252 00:12:43.320 --> 00:12:47.679 than I didn't. And you know, sometimes at the quarterback 253 00:12:47.679 --> 00:12:50.440 you go from backup to starter started to backup depends 254 00:12:50.480 --> 00:12:54.480 on the team and depends on the opportunity. But later 255 00:12:54.559 --> 00:12:59.919 on I when I went to Oakland and rejoined John Gruden, 256 00:13:00.600 --> 00:13:04.399 I it was my I think it was my eleventh year, 257 00:13:04.480 --> 00:13:06.679 and so I knew that, you know, the days of 258 00:13:06.720 --> 00:13:10.440 me getting another starting gig were probably behind me, unless 259 00:13:10.440 --> 00:13:12.399 it kind of fell into my lap or somebody got 260 00:13:12.440 --> 00:13:15.840 hurt or something like that. And because it was in 261 00:13:15.879 --> 00:13:18.960 my you know, mid thirty, so it was it was 262 00:13:19.000 --> 00:13:20.919 going to be a stretch for me to do that, 263 00:13:21.039 --> 00:13:22.799 and so I went there knowing full well that was 264 00:13:22.799 --> 00:13:27.759 going to be a backup. And then Carolina called and 265 00:13:29.080 --> 00:13:31.840 wanted to sign me, and I initially went there as 266 00:13:31.840 --> 00:13:33.759 a backup, but I didn't go to Carolina to go 267 00:13:33.879 --> 00:13:35.840 try to prove anything because I felt that I had 268 00:13:35.879 --> 00:13:37.919 proven enough and played long enough that I didn't need 269 00:13:37.919 --> 00:13:40.679 to go there to prove anything to myself or anybody else. 270 00:13:41.200 --> 00:13:44.000 It just so happened that Chris Winki was not ready 271 00:13:44.039 --> 00:13:48.200 to play and he was struggling, and they put me 272 00:13:48.240 --> 00:13:49.559 in there, and part of. 273 00:13:49.480 --> 00:13:50.639 Me was like, hey, wait a minute. 274 00:13:50.759 --> 00:13:52.360 I went there to just be a backup and then 275 00:13:52.480 --> 00:13:54.279 ride this thing out for the last two years of 276 00:13:54.320 --> 00:13:57.399 my career, and and now I got to play every week. 277 00:13:58.080 --> 00:14:00.240 But it was exciting. It was fun because those used 278 00:14:00.279 --> 00:14:01.080 to start to flow again. 279 00:14:01.120 --> 00:14:03.000 But I went there knowing that I was going to 280 00:14:03.000 --> 00:14:04.919 be the backup, and it was kind of a surprise 281 00:14:05.159 --> 00:14:06.200 that it ended up starting. 282 00:14:06.919 --> 00:14:10.120 Let me ask you this, so, mid thirties, you're playing 283 00:14:10.200 --> 00:14:14.559 quarterback in the NFL. Did it hurt more when you 284 00:14:14.600 --> 00:14:18.360 got hit in your mid thirties than you did in 285 00:14:18.399 --> 00:14:19.399 your late twenties. 286 00:14:22.240 --> 00:14:22.399 Uh? 287 00:14:23.000 --> 00:14:23.159 One? 288 00:14:23.240 --> 00:14:30.720 Hundred percent, but one thing it would happen. First of all, yes, 289 00:14:30.759 --> 00:14:33.200 it did it. You know your bones and you know 290 00:14:33.279 --> 00:14:35.559 the wear and tear on your body. After being in 291 00:14:35.600 --> 00:14:37.879 the league for ten years, it definitely you have those 292 00:14:37.879 --> 00:14:41.120 effects and you feel it. Definitely feel it more because 293 00:14:41.159 --> 00:14:45.399 certain things never really totally heal. You know, you you 294 00:14:45.399 --> 00:14:47.559 you've got that you know you feel like you got 295 00:14:47.600 --> 00:14:50.559 gravel in your knees or your that hip that has 296 00:14:50.639 --> 00:14:52.960 been bothering you. All it takes is one little tidy 297 00:14:53.039 --> 00:14:55.200 hit and all of a sudden, there's that hip again, 298 00:14:55.600 --> 00:14:58.799 or those those ribs again, or there's my my ankle again. 299 00:14:59.480 --> 00:15:01.960 So it definitely hurt. But you're smarter when you get older. 300 00:15:02.039 --> 00:15:05.799 When you're young, you know, you think you're more invincible, 301 00:15:05.879 --> 00:15:09.919 so you take some unnecessary hits. The older you get, 302 00:15:11.039 --> 00:15:13.240 the quicker you figure out how to run out of 303 00:15:13.240 --> 00:15:16.360 bounds or how to slide, or how to get down 304 00:15:16.440 --> 00:15:18.639 when you know the pocket is collapsing around you. When 305 00:15:18.639 --> 00:15:20.879 you're young, you know you're trying to fight for that 306 00:15:20.960 --> 00:15:24.519 extra yard, and that's when you take a lot of shots. 307 00:15:25.360 --> 00:15:26.799 I remember getting my bell rung a. 308 00:15:26.799 --> 00:15:28.759 Couple of times, thinking I can get the first down 309 00:15:29.279 --> 00:15:32.159 and didn't quite get there, but I paid the price. 310 00:15:32.320 --> 00:15:35.759 Whereas in my older years, I was like, it's okay 311 00:15:35.759 --> 00:15:37.679 to punt, Fred, it's okay to punt and play. 312 00:15:37.960 --> 00:15:39.559 It's okay to punt and play defense. 313 00:15:43.480 --> 00:15:48.159 You start making business decisions red at that point, it's okay. 314 00:15:48.279 --> 00:15:50.080 So just punishment you took. 315 00:15:50.120 --> 00:15:55.639 You changed your game, absolutely, absolutely, your mentality changes. And 316 00:15:55.679 --> 00:15:58.200 it's amazing how those things in a split second start 317 00:15:58.320 --> 00:16:01.320 entering your brain. It's like, go for running. When you're 318 00:16:01.320 --> 00:16:02.679 twenty five, go for it, go for it. 319 00:16:02.799 --> 00:16:03.279 You got it. 320 00:16:03.600 --> 00:16:05.720 And then when you're thirty five, it's like, hey boy, 321 00:16:05.759 --> 00:16:09.120 you better get out of bounds. That's that voice in 322 00:16:09.159 --> 00:16:11.159 your head. Get out of bound. Get down, get down, 323 00:16:11.200 --> 00:16:13.960 get down. No, no, your time is up. You gotta 324 00:16:14.000 --> 00:16:17.120 go down, get out of here. So yeah, it definitely 325 00:16:17.159 --> 00:16:20.240 had time clock changes. Do you remember a specific one. 326 00:16:21.440 --> 00:16:29.320 Oh yeah, I remember, speaking of Philadelphia. I am. We're 327 00:16:29.320 --> 00:16:33.399 in the playoffs and playing, actually playing Dallas, and it's 328 00:16:33.600 --> 00:16:35.360 in second quarter. 329 00:16:35.399 --> 00:16:36.000 We're playing them. 330 00:16:36.039 --> 00:16:38.679 It's tight, you know, we're they're up by three, but 331 00:16:38.759 --> 00:16:41.639 we're going in to try to take the lead or 332 00:16:41.639 --> 00:16:45.320 at least tie it up. And it was like a 333 00:16:45.399 --> 00:16:48.679 third down and I was a scramble to the right, 334 00:16:48.919 --> 00:16:51.720 and I had about six yards to make the first 335 00:16:51.720 --> 00:16:53.720 down and I was running. I could see it and 336 00:16:53.799 --> 00:16:55.320 feel it. I was like, Okay, I'm just going to 337 00:16:55.399 --> 00:16:57.919 go for it. And I went for it right on 338 00:16:57.960 --> 00:17:02.960 the sideline and I hit by Darren who for Dallas, 339 00:17:03.360 --> 00:17:07.759 and we went helmet to helmet red and his helmet 340 00:17:07.799 --> 00:17:12.200 was harder than my helmet, and I I got up 341 00:17:12.359 --> 00:17:15.200 and damn near went to the wrong sideline. 342 00:17:15.920 --> 00:17:16.799 Yeah it was. 343 00:17:17.279 --> 00:17:19.160 I was out for the rest of the game after that. 344 00:17:19.400 --> 00:17:21.519 But that was an unnecessary hit that I didn't have 345 00:17:21.559 --> 00:17:24.160 to take because it was the second quarter and we 346 00:17:24.160 --> 00:17:26.680 were only down by three and we ended up kicking 347 00:17:26.720 --> 00:17:28.839 a field goal to tie it up. I believe, and 348 00:17:28.839 --> 00:17:30.759 and but yet I was done for the game because 349 00:17:30.799 --> 00:17:33.079 I tried to go for the first down and yeah, 350 00:17:33.119 --> 00:17:35.680 he he hit me pretty good, got the best of 351 00:17:35.680 --> 00:17:38.160 me that day, but it just came full speed. Didn't 352 00:17:38.160 --> 00:17:41.160 really see him till it was too late, and helmet 353 00:17:41.160 --> 00:17:43.440 to helmet at those days was not being called as 354 00:17:43.480 --> 00:17:46.279 a penalty, and so he went right at it and boom. 355 00:17:46.359 --> 00:17:46.759 I was. 356 00:17:47.039 --> 00:17:49.680 I was seeing stars for the rest of the game. 357 00:17:50.000 --> 00:17:54.079 Did you know immediately there was a problem. I didn't 358 00:17:54.119 --> 00:17:56.720 know because you think you can. You know, when you 359 00:17:56.799 --> 00:18:02.279 have those kind of hits and concussion, sometimes you you 360 00:18:02.839 --> 00:18:05.039 sometimes they you can shake them off, or it just 361 00:18:05.079 --> 00:18:06.880 takes a few minutes before you kind of get your 362 00:18:06.880 --> 00:18:11.039 bearings back. But when I got to the sideline, uh, 363 00:18:11.799 --> 00:18:14.640 and I wasn't completely out and I wasn't stumbling. I 364 00:18:14.640 --> 00:18:17.160 didn't stumble like like Tua did. But when I got 365 00:18:17.200 --> 00:18:21.880 to the sidelines after a couple of minutes, I just 366 00:18:21.960 --> 00:18:24.240 I couldn't. I couldn't remember what happened in. 367 00:18:24.160 --> 00:18:28.240 The first quarter, and then I had to really fight 368 00:18:29.160 --> 00:18:33.559 you know, what certain plays were and moments of the game, 369 00:18:33.720 --> 00:18:36.039 and you know, you know, they give you, you know, 370 00:18:36.319 --> 00:18:39.079 the coaches start testing you, and the trainers start testing you. Okay, 371 00:18:39.559 --> 00:18:42.480 what did we uh, what's the formation of this particular 372 00:18:42.480 --> 00:18:44.480 play and you have a hard time remembering that. 373 00:18:45.559 --> 00:18:47.319 Yeah, I knew it was I knew it was time 374 00:18:47.359 --> 00:18:47.599 to go. 375 00:18:48.160 --> 00:18:50.319 I couldn't. I couldn't function anymore at that point. And 376 00:18:50.359 --> 00:18:52.720 then you're doing your team of disservice because there's times 377 00:18:52.759 --> 00:18:55.759 where I did stay in the game and did try 378 00:18:55.799 --> 00:18:57.480 to fight it off for a series or two and 379 00:18:57.599 --> 00:18:59.000 say I'm going to get it back, I'll get my 380 00:18:59.039 --> 00:19:02.640 bearings back, and sometimes I did, and sometimes it just 381 00:19:02.799 --> 00:19:06.039 it just kept, you know, lingering on and eventually had 382 00:19:06.079 --> 00:19:08.839 to come out. But yeah, that time I just knew 383 00:19:08.880 --> 00:19:10.680 it was I was done. There was no way I 384 00:19:10.680 --> 00:19:11.240 could go back. 385 00:19:11.559 --> 00:19:13.160 So you told them they didn't tell you? 386 00:19:13.799 --> 00:19:16.880 Yeah, yeah, I told them. I said, listen, I can't 387 00:19:17.440 --> 00:19:20.079 And they knew. They knew, just you know, looking in 388 00:19:20.160 --> 00:19:23.000 my eyes. And then like I said, doing those those 389 00:19:23.079 --> 00:19:25.279 tests that they give you in terms of verbiage of 390 00:19:25.640 --> 00:19:27.240 you know what day of the week, and you know, 391 00:19:27.279 --> 00:19:29.839 what's this play and who you know, what does this 392 00:19:29.920 --> 00:19:32.759 receiver do on this particular route, just to try to 393 00:19:32.799 --> 00:19:35.240 be focused, and I couldn't answer the question. 394 00:19:35.359 --> 00:19:36.680 So they knew. They knew as well. 395 00:19:36.720 --> 00:19:38.640 It was it was a mutual thing at the same 396 00:19:38.680 --> 00:19:40.599 time that they knew I couldn't play, and I knew 397 00:19:40.599 --> 00:19:41.200 I couldn't play. 398 00:19:42.359 --> 00:19:44.839 So then you just sit there and go damn. Yeah. 399 00:19:45.039 --> 00:19:47.759 You sit there and you just you just try to 400 00:19:47.799 --> 00:19:50.880 figure you know at that time too, if you know, 401 00:19:50.960 --> 00:19:52.839