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<v Speaker 1>I never truly appreciated how hard beat writers work until

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<v Speaker 1>you're with a baseball team, or in this man's case,

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<v Speaker 1>he's been with the Lions, he's been with the.

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<v Speaker 2>Red Wings, he's been with the Pistons as well. Until

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<v Speaker 2>you're with them on a regular basis, Chris McCosky is Look,

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<v Speaker 2>I get there early. Chris McCosky is the first person

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<v Speaker 2>at the flip and ballpark every day. And I'm not

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<v Speaker 2>saying that in exaggeration. I mean that sincerely. He's there

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<v Speaker 2>every It's like you ever see the line from or

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<v Speaker 2>you ever see the movie Caddy Shack where Ted Knight

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<v Speaker 2>comes in, He's like, don't you people have homes? That's

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<v Speaker 2>what it's like, Chris, don't you have homes? He's joining

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<v Speaker 2>us here on ex'es and bros. Chris, thanks buddy, how

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<v Speaker 2>are you?

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<v Speaker 3>Man? Hey man, mat It's so good to hear from you,

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<v Speaker 3>first of all, and thank you. It's a reflesh on of

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<v Speaker 3>the fact. I don't really have a life outside of

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<v Speaker 3>the job, so, you know, kind of a double edged sword,

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<v Speaker 3>if you know what I mean.

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<v Speaker 2>I get it, but you do it so well. I'm

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<v Speaker 2>not going to get into the trade stuff, just yet

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<v Speaker 2>give me your overall thoughts on on where the Tigers

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<v Speaker 2>are at today. A couple of games under five hundred

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<v Speaker 2>when I thought they would win the division, that they're

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<v Speaker 2>not quite there and they're not going to. What's been

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<v Speaker 2>your overall take so far this season?

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, I've kind of been saying from the start that

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<v Speaker 3>this is a this is a team that's going to

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<v Speaker 3>aspire to be five hundred. I mean, that's that's kind

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<v Speaker 3>of a I've kind of set five hundred was the

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<v Speaker 3>stealing from the get go, and that's a step forward.

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<v Speaker 3>I mean that would that would represent a step forward.

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<v Speaker 3>And but along there the missteps that have happened weren't expected.

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<v Speaker 3>To Spencer Spencer Torkusen spending most of them most of

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<v Speaker 3>the summer in Toledo wasn't expected, and that was that

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<v Speaker 3>was hurtful. Kerry Carpenter being hurt most of the year hurtful, unexpected.

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<v Speaker 3>You know, Casey myis, I mean, that wasn't unexpected that

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<v Speaker 3>he would have some time out of the rotation, just

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<v Speaker 3>because he was coming back from two surgeries, but that

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<v Speaker 3>happened at a bad time. Kent to my Aida flaming

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<v Speaker 3>out also unexpected. So all that stuff has happened, and

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<v Speaker 3>yet here they are still threatening to be where where

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<v Speaker 3>I kind of thought they would be. So there's been

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<v Speaker 3>a lot of positives to take away. Where did who

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<v Speaker 3>had Wenzel Perez being who he is, Who even had

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<v Speaker 3>justin Henry Malloy being as productive as he's been in

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<v Speaker 3>his short stint. So there's been some things. And you know,

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<v Speaker 3>I didn't even mention Rady green all start getting hurt.

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<v Speaker 3>So it's been weird. It's there. The end result is

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<v Speaker 3>what we thought, but the way they got there was

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<v Speaker 3>nowhere near how I thought.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, it's a really good point. And I sure didn't

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<v Speaker 2>expect Kansas City and Minnesota to be as good this

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<v Speaker 2>year as they have been, and kudos to them as well.

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<v Speaker 2>When when you look at this team in general, though,

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<v Speaker 2>what does it what is it lacking?

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<v Speaker 3>Do you think hitting? I mean, is in a general

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<v Speaker 3>broad broad brush stroke, it's hitting, And and you know,

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<v Speaker 3>Carry Carpenter would have changed that narrative was it was.

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<v Speaker 3>It was in the process of changing that narrative before

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<v Speaker 3>he went u because he left handed power back such

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<v Speaker 3>a big part of that lineup. Torko Sin's power and

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<v Speaker 3>missing also a big loss. I mean, they have they

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<v Speaker 3>have one of the worst wars that from first baseman

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<v Speaker 3>in the end the game, and you know, and that's

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<v Speaker 3>a that's a position where most winning teams have, you know,

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<v Speaker 3>power in production and damage and the Tigers just simply

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<v Speaker 3>don't have that there, or a third base for that matter.

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<v Speaker 3>So that's that's what's lacking. And it's not like where

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<v Speaker 3>you could just go out and buy you know, if

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<v Speaker 3>if you could, you know, you could get Aaron Judge

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<v Speaker 3>and fix a lot of problems. But that's not that's

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<v Speaker 3>not real. So I'm not sure how I mean, that's

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<v Speaker 3>going to be a gradual fix. I feel like follow.

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<v Speaker 2>Him on Twitter or x at c mccowsky. He's got

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<v Speaker 2>a lot of followers. You can join in the conversation

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<v Speaker 2>and join in all the great stuff that he tweets

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<v Speaker 2>out on a regular basis, and he does it quite

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<v Speaker 2>a bit. He's joining his yard xis and bros. Spencer

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<v Speaker 2>Torkulsen is is that guy that everybody is blaming. I

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<v Speaker 2>don't think it's quite fair, quite honestly, but it has

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<v Speaker 2>been a disappointing season for him. Where do you think

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<v Speaker 2>the organization stands with Spencer Turklsen?

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<v Speaker 3>They stand with him. They stand with him. They're not

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<v Speaker 3>giving up. But you don't give up on a one

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<v Speaker 3>to one in two years. You know, he just had

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<v Speaker 3>he just had a game where he hit a grand

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<v Speaker 3>slam in the three run homer in the same game.

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<v Speaker 3>So there's there's been a little flashes. I think I

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<v Speaker 3>think they were just the word I would use is disappointed,

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<v Speaker 3>because I think the talent is there. They know what

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<v Speaker 3>he knows that. I think there was some stubbornness on

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<v Speaker 3>his part to adapt to the game, to the big

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<v Speaker 3>league game, and he was so confident of the swing

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<v Speaker 3>and the mechanics that got him to the point where

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<v Speaker 3>he was one one that I think he was a

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<v Speaker 3>little reluctant to adjust or not. Maybe maybe reluctant is

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<v Speaker 3>a wrong word. He was unable to like he'd been

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<v Speaker 3>doing it the same way for so long, and you

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<v Speaker 3>know how it is when you try to change, you

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<v Speaker 3>try to change in season, you often fall back on

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<v Speaker 3>your old habits just because that's the muscle memory, that's

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<v Speaker 3>what you've always done. So he's trying it. It's been

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<v Speaker 3>a really hard adjustment to get him to be more

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<v Speaker 3>athletic in the box, to be able to move his

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<v Speaker 3>hands and throw his hands at the ball, as we

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<v Speaker 3>used to say when we were growing up, you know,

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<v Speaker 3>throw your hands at the ball, not just take that

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<v Speaker 3>same robot swing and think the ball is going to

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<v Speaker 3>hit the bat. And that's that's kind of been And

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<v Speaker 3>hitting velocity too, like he said, struggling to hit velocity,

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<v Speaker 3>which is a function of his his robot swing. So

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<v Speaker 3>that's the that's the area he's got to fix. And

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<v Speaker 3>then he's making slow, way too slow strides to do that.

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<v Speaker 2>I think you told me even at the end of

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<v Speaker 2>last year, at some point this team's got to take

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<v Speaker 2>a look at Dylan Dingler. They will now get that

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<v Speaker 2>opportunity with Carson Kelly being traded to Texas for two prospects.

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<v Speaker 2>What have you liked about Dingler and what will he

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<v Speaker 2>add to this team in your mind?

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<v Speaker 3>Well, I think he's going to go through the same

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<v Speaker 3>growing pains that all these young guys come up and

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<v Speaker 3>deal with. He's going to struggle. I mean, he's going

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<v Speaker 3>to struggle mightily. But he is a I mean, he's

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<v Speaker 3>just a prototypical leader behind the plate. He even even

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<v Speaker 3>before he played a game in the big leagues, he

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<v Speaker 3>had the respect of almost every guy in his pitching staff,

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<v Speaker 3>school included. They've all worked with him, they all know him,

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<v Speaker 3>they all trust him. So that's huge to step in

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<v Speaker 3>and have that in your back pocket and and they

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<v Speaker 3>and he has that. I mean, he's a he's a

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<v Speaker 3>he's a leader, back dog. He reminds me. And I

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<v Speaker 3>think I've talked to you about this before. He's he's

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<v Speaker 3>kind of like Lance Parrish. Yeah, strong minded guy. You know,

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<v Speaker 3>he's got the power of my goodness, have you seen him.

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<v Speaker 3>He's done in Toledo lately he has four home runs

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<v Speaker 3>of her three day span these his ops is almost

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<v Speaker 3>a thousand. I mean, he's he's uh, he's really doing

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<v Speaker 3>it down there. And he's done everything he needed to

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<v Speaker 3>do down there. So now it's his time to come

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<v Speaker 3>up your take his licks and adjust and adapt and

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<v Speaker 3>and then find a way to become a productive big

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<v Speaker 3>league catcher. Now his time.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, quite honestly, he's earned it. So you give him

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<v Speaker 2>credit in that regard. How active do you think they'll

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<v Speaker 2>be before tomorrow? As your phone continues, you continue to

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<v Speaker 2>work the phones, what do you see them doing?

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<v Speaker 3>If anything, Well, they had better trade Jack Flaherty. I mean,

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<v Speaker 3>if they don't find a way to get a couple

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<v Speaker 3>of pieces, a couple three pieces for him. I mean,

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<v Speaker 3>I know they have the qualifying offer, and I know

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<v Speaker 3>they'll give them a competitive balance pick next year at

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<v Speaker 3>the end of the first round, you have a chance

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<v Speaker 3>to give maybe a major league ready player and a

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<v Speaker 3>couple prospects for him. He's the best pitcher on the

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<v Speaker 3>market right now, him and Blake's. Now. Maybe I don't know,

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<v Speaker 3>but like those two, they have to get something for him,

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<v Speaker 3>and I think it would be especially coming off last year.

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<v Speaker 3>I don't blame Scott Harris completely for the Eduardo Rodriguez

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<v Speaker 3>mess last year, but he had one of the biggest

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<v Speaker 3>names on the market at trade deadline and ultimately got

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<v Speaker 3>nothing for him. Now, he had a deal with the Dodgers,

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<v Speaker 3>a good deal, and we all know that EDWARDO kind

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<v Speaker 3>of nixed that with his own opt out. So it's

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<v Speaker 3>going to be really tough, a tough sell for him.

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<v Speaker 3>For a Scott to come back and say, look, I

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<v Speaker 3>get what I wanted and I like the competitive balance

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<v Speaker 3>to pick better than what I was offered, I think

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<v Speaker 3>that's going to be a really tough sell. I still

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<v Speaker 3>think there's a chance that Kanna gets traded Mark Canna,

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<v Speaker 3>and a small chance that Gill or Shella gets moved.

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<v Speaker 3>And I think they want to. I mean, these guys

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<v Speaker 3>are a one year deal there. They're not going to

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<v Speaker 3>be picked with the team next year, so it's a

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<v Speaker 3>good chance for them to flip them for some things

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<v Speaker 3>that could be part of the future.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, and you would guess Canna correct me if I'm

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<v Speaker 2>wrong here. Canna or Shella could bring you prospects, clarity,

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<v Speaker 2>should bring you major league ready talent fair.

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<v Speaker 3>Yes, sir, it's got to all right?

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<v Speaker 2>What about the bullpen arms? What about a guy like

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<v Speaker 2>Chafin Vest and Shelby Miller? Are those movable pieces for

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<v Speaker 2>decent pieces?

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<v Speaker 3>Yes? They are? And then that's that you said it.

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<v Speaker 3>It's for decent pieces, I don't think, because all those

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<v Speaker 3>guys are under control. There's team options on Miller and

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<v Speaker 3>Chafin so and also on Foley, also on Vest, So

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<v Speaker 3>those guys are all guys that are going to be

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<v Speaker 3>part of the team next year if the Tigers want them,

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<v Speaker 3>may have control over them. So those are not just

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<v Speaker 3>flipping for prospects because they're not going to be back guys.

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<v Speaker 3>So there are teams that a lot of teams are

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<v Speaker 3>sniffing into the Tigers bullpen. I think Tyler Holton would

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<v Speaker 3>get a lot of look too, and I feel like

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<v Speaker 3>he'd be a horrible loss for the Tigers. But if

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<v Speaker 3>they could get I mean, I feel like he could

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<v Speaker 3>bring a haul because he's so value but so versatile,

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<v Speaker 3>so good that if I was a containing team and

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<v Speaker 3>I need a bullpen help, I would look right there

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<v Speaker 3>first see what I could get. See.

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<v Speaker 2>I agree one hundred percent with you, But there is

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<v Speaker 2>a balance, right, I mean, you have to be you

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<v Speaker 2>and I had this conversation about Michael Foemer. You and

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<v Speaker 2>I had it two years of about Derek Schooble. You

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<v Speaker 2>were steadfast, You didn't you wouldn't have traded him. I

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<v Speaker 2>would have traded him. And he's going to win a

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<v Speaker 2>cy Young in all likelihood this year. What could this team,

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<v Speaker 2>what would they have to get in order for them

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<v Speaker 3>Well, you know, the comp is always the Monsto trade, always,

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<v Speaker 3>and and everybody loves the fact that Washington got c

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<v Speaker 3>j Abrams and Mackenzie Gore and James Wood. Look a

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<v Speaker 3>look at the team that the Washington Nationals are. Though

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<v Speaker 3>they're irrelevant they're not a factor. They're not they're not

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<v Speaker 3>They're not better than the Tigers right now with all

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<v Speaker 3>those pieces. So if that's the camp, if that's what

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<v Speaker 3>not enough. I'm sorry. It's not enough Jackson Holliday. If

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<v Speaker 3>you talked to ten scouts about Jackson and Holiday, have

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<v Speaker 3>the Orioles top prospect in the game five of those things.

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<v Speaker 3>I've done this, By the way, this is not just

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<v Speaker 3>off the top of my head. I've done this. I've

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<v Speaker 3>sat I sat in the press box in Cleveland and

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<v Speaker 3>there were scouts, four of them sitting there. Two of

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<v Speaker 3>The other ones like, no, man, he's gonna end up

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<v Speaker 3>being a second basement. I mean he's not. He's you know,

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<v Speaker 3>there's a jury still weigh out on him. So is

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<v Speaker 3>that to get back for a guy that you know

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<v Speaker 3>makeup of Trek Scouble. It's not enough. I honestly, I

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<v Speaker 3>honestly can't see it. I mean, unless you're getting all

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<v Speaker 3>stars back for Terrek Scuble two of them. I hit

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<v Speaker 3>her in a picture. I'm not doing it for prospects.

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<v Speaker 3>I'm just not. I don't truy not either.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I'm not either. There's a reason the prospect nothing

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<v Speaker 2>wrong against it, right, but not for that type of player.

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<v Speaker 2>You need major league ready players who can come in

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<v Speaker 2>and make them an impact on the Detroit Tiger right now.

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<v Speaker 3>A huge impact. And I'll tell you, I'll put this

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<v Speaker 3>up there too as a qualify if the Tiger's thought,

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<v Speaker 3>if the Tiger's thought there was any health risk going

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<v Speaker 3>forward with Trek, like if they know that his medical

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<v Speaker 3>is better than anybody, and if they said, well, you

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<v Speaker 3>know what he see he's already had the one time

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<v Speaker 3>that Johnny' said the flexure keed, then they know what.

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<v Speaker 3>They don't feel that way. He works too hard, he's

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<v Speaker 3>too he's too committed to the gym and the training

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<v Speaker 3>and the air armcare regimen. There's no they don't fear

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<v Speaker 3>his health going forward. So if that's if you have

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<v Speaker 3>that and you know that better than any team, man,

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<v Speaker 3>I don't know how you move a guy like that

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<v Speaker 3>unless I mean, I can't honestly, I can't envision a

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<v Speaker 2>So that begs this question, Chris McCosky, It begs this question.

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<v Speaker 2>Then you have to sign him to an extension. You're

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<v Speaker 2>not going in next year, right with one year left

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<v Speaker 2>on the deal, right that that would be the one

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<v Speaker 2>year left on his contract, So you would have to

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<v Speaker 2>high him, right, yeah, right, So you would have to

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<v Speaker 2>sign him to the extension or some type of new contract.

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<v Speaker 2>Is is that the right mindset? Or do you kind

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<v Speaker 2>of hold on and let's see what happens next year

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<v Speaker 2>and consider whether or not you signed him or trade

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<v Speaker 2>him next year where the value may not be as high.

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<v Speaker 3>The value is always going to be high, I think,

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<v Speaker 3>I think, but I think to your point, they need

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<v Speaker 3>they need they I'm sure this is already. They've already

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<v Speaker 3>had preliminary like discussions with Scott Boris, you know, about

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<v Speaker 3>school ball and about what it would take about what

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<v Speaker 3>do you you know what I mean Boris's toughest way.

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<v Speaker 3>Boris doesn't like to give out extensions. But the game

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<v Speaker 3>is changing, Like Boris took a beating this offseason with

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<v Speaker 3>so many kids guys gone unsigned into the into the season,

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<v Speaker 3>So the landscape there is changing. So maybe he is

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<v Speaker 3>more amenable, and also the Tiger's relationship with Boris, especially

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<v Speaker 3>relevant to Tic Scuoble, is tight. I mean they there

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<v Speaker 3>was Boris on b Rus's recommendation that they drafted him

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<v Speaker 3>in the ninth round. Basically, it took the flyer on

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<v Speaker 3>him because he was he wasn't a he wasn't on

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<v Speaker 3>anybody's board really coming out of Seattle University, coming out

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<v Speaker 3>of arm surgery. So there's a tight bond there, and

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<v Speaker 3>I really think an extension can be worked done. And

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<v Speaker 3>I think that the dialogue has already begun and I

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<v Speaker 3>think it will continue. You know, I sue the deadline

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<v Speaker 3>into the offseason. I think that's a priority. You know,

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<v Speaker 3>guys like him and Riley Green carry even eventually we're

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<v Speaker 3>going to be guys that they're going to look to

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<v Speaker 3>keep long term.

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<v Speaker 2>How much has Keith impressed you, from when his struggles

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<v Speaker 2>earlier this season to the great strides that he's made

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<v Speaker 2>as of light.

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<v Speaker 3>Incredibly, So, I mean this is this is really special

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<v Speaker 3>what we're seeing, and I don't think enough people recognized it.

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<v Speaker 3>I mean, they signed this dude for six years before

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<v Speaker 3>he stepped into a major league clubhouse basically, and he struggled,

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<v Speaker 3>and he took his lumps and he never he never

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<v Speaker 3>got to feed. We've seen a lot of Spencer Torkielsen

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<v Speaker 3>much higher pedigree. We've seen him struggle. We've seen the

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<v Speaker 3>haying dog looks. We've seen the frustration and that get

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<v Speaker 3>just utterly overwhelmed. Colt was he was over I mean

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<v Speaker 3>he was hurting for sure when he was struggling, but

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<v Speaker 3>he was determined. It was more of a determination and

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<v Speaker 3>I don't understand why this is happening. I'm going to

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<v Speaker 3>figure it out mentality, And he did, and he's they

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<v Speaker 3>caught out of something here. I mean, he's made himself

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<v Speaker 3>better in the field. He's still, you know, a below

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<v Speaker 3>power defensively overall in terms of defensive run saves and

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<v Speaker 3>range and things like that, but he makes the plays

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<v Speaker 3>he's supposed to make, and he's gotten so much better

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<v Speaker 3>at the turn. It's second based on double plays and

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<v Speaker 3>the bat plays. I mean, you see the whole money

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<v Speaker 3>hit off the left the other days, Oh my goodness,

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<v Speaker 3>four hundred and nineteen feet bullet to right. They got

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<v Speaker 3>onto something here. This was credit to David in ala Veland,

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<v Speaker 3>the guys in the previous organization for recognizing who this

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<v Speaker 3>kid was in high school, and because I mean you

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<v Speaker 3>you know, you see the mindset. This kid is tough,

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<v Speaker 3>tough mine he is.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I love him, Yeah, I love him. I never

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<v Speaker 2>doubted he was going to hit. All right, I only

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<v Speaker 2>got a minute or so, so real quick, we'll torkle

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<v Speaker 2>some me be back up the rest of the year.

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<v Speaker 3>Yes or no. I'm going to go with yes right

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<v Speaker 3>now because I think it'd be a bad message to

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<v Speaker 3>send him into the off season having his season in Toledo.

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<v Speaker 2>What does this team do about the plethora of second basement?

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<v Speaker 2>I mean, Jace Young, I know, has moved a third,

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<v Speaker 2>but they've got a lot of guys who can play second.

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<v Speaker 2>They need a shortstop. And then what do you do?

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<v Speaker 2>Is there anything? Is what everybody asked me. Is there

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<v Speaker 2>anything can they can do about how your bias?

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<v Speaker 3>No, they got to hope for more hot streaks like

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<v Speaker 3>the one he's been on. There's nothing they're going to do.

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<v Speaker 3>And I can eat that money for another year, and

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<v Speaker 3>they've got one more one more year of eating that

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<v Speaker 3>money before they even think about buying out that contract.

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<v Speaker 3>So that's your short stuf. End of story.

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<v Speaker 2>Wow, great stuff, man, I really appreciate the friendship, love

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<v Speaker 2>the information. Keep up the great work. I know this

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<v Speaker 2>was tough because your day never ends, you never sleep,

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<v Speaker 2>and I know especially this time of the year.

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<v Speaker 3>Great work.

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<v Speaker 2>Chris Mukoska, the Detroit News. Keep up the great work.

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<v Speaker 2>We'll talk soon, my friend.

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<v Speaker 3>Thank you. So I hope so Man, I miss you,

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<v Speaker 3>but