Speaker 1: Hello, and welcome to the Castle of Horror, the show dedicated
Speaker 1: to horror movies an awesomeness. This week we have a
Speaker 1: look at the two thousand horror film Ginger Snaps. Bear
Speaker 1: in mind if you haven't seen today's movie, we're going
Speaker 1: to be talking about it from the perspective of horror
Speaker 1: fans who have seen it, so warning spoilers ahead. From Denver, Colorado,
Speaker 1: I'm your host, Jason Henderson, publisher at Castlebridge Media, home
Speaker 1: of the Castle of Horror anthology. With me from Austin
Speaker 1: is Tony Sabaggio, lead singer and bassist of the band
Speaker 1: Deserts of Mars and lead guitarists of the band Rise
Speaker 1: from Fires Helo Toney Howdy Howdy. Also in Austin, Mister
Speaker 1: Drew Edwards is the writer creator of the long running
Speaker 1: underground comic Halloween Man, which you can find of Global Comics.
Speaker 1: He is a Best Writer Ringo nominee, Austin Chronicle Best
Speaker 1: of Austin Award winner and a member of the Pen
Speaker 1: America Fellowship.
Speaker 2: Saalo Drew and then the only thing that makes me
Speaker 2: feel better is tearing live things. The shred.
Speaker 1: And finally, also in Denver, color commentary. I can't wait
Speaker 1: to discuss this movie with you. Julia Guzman of Guzman
Speaker 1: Immigration of Denver. Say hello, Hi everyone, Hi, Hi. We
Speaker 1: had lunch today, Julia and I almost never had lunch,
Speaker 1: and it was really nice. We were at a place
Speaker 1: I don't even know, Lone Tree, Lone Tree, Colorado, and
Speaker 1: it was cool to see you at lunch. That was neat.
Speaker 1: So I just wanted to report that's It's a glimpse
Speaker 1: into our day, all right. Ginger Snaps is a two
Speaker 1: thousand Canadian supernatural horror film directed by John Fawcett, written
Speaker 1: by Karen Walton from a story that they developed together.
Speaker 1: It stars Emily Perkins and Catherine Isabelle as Bridget and
Speaker 1: Ginger Fitzgerald, two sisters who have this morbid hobby of
Speaker 1: reproduced well or or creating basically these these tableau of death.
Speaker 1: They're very, very cool, but then their relationship is tested
Speaker 1: when Ginger, who's starts having her period for the first time,
Speaker 1: is attacked and bitten by an unknown animal and then
Speaker 1: starts to transform into a werewolf. So this is this
Speaker 1: is a teenage werewolf movie. The supporting cast features Chris
Speaker 1: Chris Lemchi, Jesse Moss, Daniel Hampton, John Bourgeois, Peter Callaghan,
Speaker 1: and the always fabulous Mimi Rogers, who I think is
Speaker 1: giving basically Kim Darby a run for her money as
Speaker 1: the quirky mom in this film. So, this film came
Speaker 1: out in theaters finally in May two thousand and one.
Speaker 1: It is a huge cult hit. I have overlooked it.
Speaker 1: I've never seen it before this moment. So I'm looking
Speaker 1: forward to you guys explaining to me how in the
Speaker 1: hell I could have missed this film. Let's get her
Speaker 1: opening thoughts as go Julia Tony Drew, and then I'll
Speaker 1: go Julia, and I kind of dread sticking this with
Speaker 1: you because I'm not sure if this was your favorite film.
Speaker 1: But Julia, lay it honest, what are your opening thoughts
Speaker 1: this movie? This movie?
Speaker 3: I just I just I just can't. I can't with
Speaker 3: this movie. Uh. It is so gory and gross and
Speaker 3: and and just like a lot of the things. Well
Speaker 3: that that first of all, the fact that of so
Speaker 3: gross distracted me throughout the whole film, But there was
Speaker 3: other things as well where I would just be like, no,
Speaker 3: this is dumb. No that's not how anything works. No,
Speaker 3: that's not what would happen here? What where did that
Speaker 3: come from? Who are these people? What is happening?
Speaker 2: So?
Speaker 3: Uh yeah, that was this was not this was not
Speaker 3: I was not the audience. I was not the audience.
Speaker 1: That's a challenge. This is going to be a challenge
Speaker 1: for us because we're ready to go. Ah, this is amazing.
Speaker 1: It speaks to women, and it's got all this feminine
Speaker 1: body blah blah blah. And and you the only, uh,
Speaker 1: the only person who identifies as a woman on this show.
Speaker 1: You are not the person that that's going to be
Speaker 1: supporting the film. So so so you're a trader to
Speaker 1: your or I just want you to know.
Speaker 2: That that's all.
Speaker 3: That's one.
Speaker 4: Like it even more now she feels safe.
Speaker 3: It's always been the safe place, you're safe.
Speaker 1: Space, Tony. What are your thoughts?
Speaker 4: So now I'm a little worried, like do I like
Speaker 4: it this much? And because I'm a guy and I
Speaker 4: missed things. This is my second or third time seeing it.
Speaker 4: I was it's funny. I almost said, oh when you
Speaker 4: when you hadn't seen it, And then I realized that
Speaker 4: would be that would have been funny.
Speaker 1: That was I would not have thought of that. That
Speaker 1: was I appreciate it.
Speaker 4: I'm surprised you hadn't seen it. Uh yeah, I saw
Speaker 4: it not too long after it came out. I think
Speaker 4: I saw it on video. I don't think I saw
Speaker 4: it in the theater. I didn't remember how grotesque it was,
Speaker 4: like the gore in it, how much more the I
Speaker 4: get some for some strange reasons, I blocked that out.
Speaker 4: It's pretty gory.
Speaker 5: I don't know.
Speaker 4: I still like it. I still under I understand. I
Speaker 4: have friends and definitely friends of friends in the horror
Speaker 4: community who definitely identify like women who identify as like
Speaker 4: I get this, this is this was kind of an
Speaker 4: alt women, all all team kinda yeah kind of movie,
Speaker 4: you know. Uh And so now I'm curious, like I
Speaker 4: don't know, like is it just me? But I actually
Speaker 4: I enjoyed the movie. I thought the traffickings were great.
Speaker 4: I thought it was interesting. I think they made good
Speaker 4: choices when and where to show the creature. So yeah,
Speaker 4: I'm kind of I mean, I'm really interested to hear
Speaker 4: Juliet hearing you know, your thoughts on how it progresses,
Speaker 4: because for me, it was solid both all the times
Speaker 4: I've seen it, So I don't know, maybe I missed something.
Speaker 4: But other than forgetting, it was more glory than I
Speaker 4: remembered I thought it was. I thought it was an
Speaker 4: interesting wearbo movie. Definitely of its time, right, like we've
Speaker 4: and I think this influenced.
Speaker 5: A lot of movies as well.
Speaker 4: The influence you can see the ripples in women making
Speaker 4: film as well as as kind of identifying with these
Speaker 4: characters or not are kind or you know, in some
Speaker 4: ways rejecting some of the things they didn't like and
Speaker 4: like kind of taking that making their own. So yeah,
Speaker 4: I'm interested in the rest of the discussion for sure.
Speaker 1: Cool true, lad on me.
Speaker 2: Well, first of all, I mean, not everything is for everybody,
Speaker 2: So it's okay if Julia didn't like it, it's also okay.
Speaker 2: It's also okay if you liked it, Tony and I.
Speaker 2: For the record, I know lots and lots of women
Speaker 2: who do like this movie a lot, including you know,
Speaker 2: as I was saying before we started recording, Jamie and
Speaker 2: I are friendly with a fairly famous bur lesque dancer
Speaker 2: here in Austin who takes her her stage name from
Speaker 2: from this film. So you know obviously what you were
Speaker 2: saying about, Uh, you know, the the the effect and
Speaker 2: the influence that it had on on you know, sort
Speaker 2: of alternative type uh women. You know, I think that's
Speaker 2: definitely there. But again it's it's it's okay to not
Speaker 2: like things. So I I, you know, even though I
Speaker 2: myself am a big fan of this movie, I I
Speaker 2: and you know, when we started this latest round of
Speaker 2: were wolf movies with the new version of The wolf Man,
Speaker 2: you know that my my, one of my immediate takeaways
Speaker 2: from it is that that that movie took took a
Speaker 2: lot from this movie, especially the sort of body horror
Speaker 2: take on uh, turning into a werewolf, where it's it's
Speaker 2: you know, a slower transformation. Although I think this movie
Speaker 2: does it a lot better because it's not in a
Speaker 2: matter of hours. It's over a period of a month,
Speaker 2: and I think because of that, you get to see
Speaker 2: more more uh it's a little more punishing, I guess.
Speaker 2: I think also this movie does a very good job
Speaker 2: of kind of capturing a certain team, Like the teenagers
Speaker 2: in this movie are sort of amplified versions of teenagers,
Speaker 2: like so that sort of hormonal, you know, acting out behavior,
Speaker 2: you know, I think this movie captures that well. I
Speaker 2: also think, you know, like I was, I was saying
Speaker 2: this to David Bulls, friend of the podcast David Bulls,
Speaker 2: the other day that you know, I'm a big believer
Speaker 2: that the more specific that you make things often in writing,
Speaker 2: actually the more relatable they become.
Speaker 1: And boy, we should take that into either a T
Speaker 1: shirt or a real Honestly, that is so so I
Speaker 1: want a cartoon of Drew on Instagram saying the more
Speaker 1: specific you make it that that is that is so
Speaker 1: so true.
Speaker 2: Well, what this this movie does is is very very
Speaker 2: much zero in on the world of sisters. But I
Speaker 2: think it, you know, and it does I think a
Speaker 2: pretty good job of capturing that. But also, you know,
Speaker 2: you know, speaking of someone who was a twin, you know,
Speaker 2: you know, I still find this movie incredibly relatable. You know,
Speaker 2: of of someone that that you know, had like, you know,
Speaker 2: a sibling and you know, we were very much like
Speaker 2: wrapped up in each each other, you know, in that
Speaker 2: kind of deep, deep friendship that that was. That it
Speaker 2: became very painful when you know, you know, they started
Speaker 2: going off and experiencing things on on their own. You know,
Speaker 2: when when when when puberty started to happen, and you know,
Speaker 2: so I think again, even though this is with zeroing
Speaker 2: in on a certain kind of feminine relationship. You know,
Speaker 2: I still found the relationship in this movie very very,
Speaker 2: you know, affecting and relatable and everything. So that's kind
Speaker 2: of a long winded first thoughts, but needless to say,
Speaker 2: I am a fan of this movie, although I will
Speaker 2: stand by Julia's right to not like it as well,
Speaker 2: because that's that's that's what makes the world go reund.
Speaker 4: I think it's worth discussing, Like even the even though
Speaker 4: there's a there's a different dynamic with the being sisters.
Speaker 4: I think there's also especially if you're on the weird,
Speaker 4: the weird side of everything, like if you're an outcast
Speaker 4: at all, and you know, throughout high school or junior
Speaker 4: higher whenever you are. If if that's a thing that
Speaker 4: you associate with, like if you have a deep friendship,
Speaker 4: even that can be a stopping point. I'm like, well, wait,
Speaker 4: why don't you want to hang out more? All of
Speaker 4: those things? Uh, this is a this is a different
Speaker 4: version of that. But if you have a deep friendship,
Speaker 4: I mean I you know, I think I had a
Speaker 4: good friend, and then you know, everybody starts discovering different
Speaker 4: things and you do your own thing, and then it's
Speaker 4: a weird time because also that was your friend who
Speaker 4: you shared being weird with. I don't know, you know, yeah,
Speaker 4: so like that was a you know, I remember specifically
Speaker 4: that was really strange and transitional and weird. I was,
Speaker 4: you know, not my favorite time, I guess. But but
Speaker 4: you know, here it's it's different. But I think a
Speaker 4: lot of people, I think can relate even if it
Speaker 4: wasn't a sibling relationship or even any of that.
Speaker 5: So I do think it's it's relatable.
Speaker 4: In that way.
Speaker 1: I want to talk a little bit about the setting
Speaker 1: of this film because obviously we'll get into the werewolf
Speaker 1: isms and and and all that stuff, and and I
Speaker 1: think it's good actually that we've got somebody who's not
Speaker 1: so enamored of it, since Jolia, you're you're not so
Speaker 1: into the film, because that'll be useful that keep us
Speaker 1: going off it. Okay, well, fair, I'll bet you that
Speaker 1: if I removed some of the blood licking gore and
Speaker 1: some of the girl braining herself and they don't know
Speaker 1: what to do with the body, you you know, in
Speaker 1: other words, I'll bet you could make some snips here
Speaker 1: and there, and you might you might dig it more.
Speaker 1: But I actually it doesn't matter to me.
Speaker 3: It's so many things anyway, we'll.
Speaker 1: Get okay, no. But but what I was saying was
Speaker 1: I'm really actually glad that that that we're not all
Speaker 1: aligned on this because it makes it it makes for
Speaker 1: a more dynamic conversation. So I thought it was really
Speaker 1: cool just looking at this movie. This film is Is
Speaker 1: came out in two thousands, so you got to figure
Speaker 1: it's being shot in like sometime in ninety nine and
Speaker 1: early two thousand. I suppose maybe maybe earlier than that.
Speaker 1: I'm not I'm not really sure. And uh, it has
Speaker 1: this look you know that reminds me. I think you
Speaker 1: guys were saying it was kind of nineties. Everybody's wearing
Speaker 1: these just these oversized clothes. I there's something about the
Speaker 1: way these girls present themselves and the sort of grungy,
Speaker 1: chain smoking way that all of these teens are presenting
Speaker 1: that is of a particular time. It doesn't look like now,
Speaker 1: doesn't look like twenty twenty six, and it doesn't really
Speaker 1: look like like the eighties either. I mean, it's a
Speaker 1: particular thing, wouldn't you say.
Speaker 2: Well, not for nothing, but some of the oversized clothes
Speaker 2: is because this takes place in Canada.
Speaker 1: I'm sure, well that's true. It is on Halloween, on
Speaker 1: the evening of Halloween. They have the garage door open.
Speaker 1: There's one point where they're going and you can see
Speaker 1: snow just sort of like really sleep, just garbage snow
Speaker 1: that's wet coming down. And I was like, man, I
Speaker 1: mean it snows in Halloween here.
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's definitely fall because there's a lot of you know,
Speaker 3: colorful trees at least for part of it, but you
Speaker 3: can see that it's just always overcasts. And it just
Speaker 3: seemed it felt cold. The whole movie felt cold.
Speaker 1: But isn't that just that's the time. It makes no
Speaker 1: sense to say the.
Speaker 3: Times, yeah Halloween at some point, Yeah.
Speaker 1: Well no, but I mean to me for some reason,
Speaker 1: for reasons, I guess, so wrapped up in grunge music,
Speaker 1: the nineties and the early two thousands look like Seattle,
Speaker 1: Like there's a like pop culture.
Speaker 3: Grunge rock and all that.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, I don't feel like this is exactly grunge because,
Speaker 2: like you you have like the the one like kind
Speaker 2: of douchey kid who who kind of has like the
Speaker 2: skater you know, he has like the baggy dickies on
Speaker 2: and like the the you know kind of the guy
Speaker 2: from from smash Mouth kind of haircut and everything. So
Speaker 2: you know, you have that kind of thing. And the
Speaker 2: girls themselves are kind of they're they're grunge segueing into goth,
Speaker 2: segueing into emo. You know, like there's there's a lot
Speaker 2: going on there, you know, like it's it's there's there's
Speaker 2: a you know, if you look at this movie as
Speaker 2: a time capsule of like of fashion from that time period,
Speaker 2: this is this movie really is a treasure trove of
Speaker 2: different different looks that young people were sporting.
Speaker 1: Right for young teenagers particularly, Yes.
Speaker 4: It's two it's two thousand movies. It's right at the transition.
Speaker 4: And we've we've talked about this a lot where you know,
Speaker 4: we have eighties movies, but there's a bunch of the
Speaker 4: like eighty I would say, eighty to eighty three, eighty four.
Speaker 4: It's there's still a lot of seventies left. Oh yeah,
Speaker 4: as you transition out.
Speaker 1: Because you don't throw away all your clothes and you
Speaker 1: don't throw away your way of dressing, you know, your
Speaker 1: your life can do the.
Speaker 4: Flavor the flavor of like how you film things and
Speaker 4: everything that changes the you know, how people think, how
Speaker 4: people envision the world is a little you know, it's
Speaker 4: it's not always super fast. So this is definitely a
Speaker 4: transition out of the nineties and that same kind of way,
Speaker 4: the flavor of it, and that's not you know, it's
Speaker 4: definitely out of right.
Speaker 1: And it is October, just to clarify, it is October
Speaker 1: of ninety nine. So so yeah, you're exactly right over
Speaker 1: where it is. And Friday the thirteenth was the same way.
Speaker 1: It was, like it comes out whatever it is right
Speaker 1: at the beginning of the eighties, and everybody is dressed
Speaker 1: very very seventies right in that movie, and.
Speaker 4: So the flavor of it is moving moving forward. But still,
Speaker 4: you know, we see a lot of those I mean
Speaker 4: that's just you know, teen fashion and just how you
Speaker 4: film things. Everything like that just coming out. You know,
Speaker 4: it won't be until a couple of years later we'll see,
Speaker 4: you know, we'll get into what is the two thousands film?
Speaker 4: You know, yeah, yeah, the post millennium film, And that's
Speaker 4: just how that works.
Speaker 1: That sounds like a fun question, Tony, like as to
Speaker 1: as to you know, what exactly makes a post post
Speaker 1: monium filming, I think we.
Speaker 4: Would start to see, in my opinion, what you would
Speaker 4: start to see is a transition into kind of a
Speaker 4: CW miss of things.
Speaker 1: But well, I mean the thing is, when I think
Speaker 1: it's a CW, I think of Buffy, right, and Drew,
Speaker 1: you were saying that you kind of feel like you
Speaker 1: see bits of Buffy DNA.
Speaker 2: Totally, and I think that if you were very into Buffy,
Speaker 2: this this probably it's it's not wouldn't be surprising to
Speaker 2: find out that you were into this as well, because
Speaker 2: it's it's it's similarly similarly taking horror tropes and and
Speaker 2: you know, transplanting them into you know, a high school setting.
Speaker 2: I mean obviously this, you know, Buffy's more about empowering
Speaker 2: you know, a particular teenager, and in this, I think
Speaker 2: it's a little bit more degradation and you know, mutilation
Speaker 2: and you know that kind of thing. But you know,
Speaker 2: they both speak to the teenage experience in different in
Speaker 2: different ways.
Speaker 1: I feel I want to I want to go sorry,
Speaker 1: I just thinking about it now.
Speaker 4: I think you're right, Jason. So in two thousand and
Speaker 4: two we have Resident Evil, in two thousand and three
Speaker 4: we have Underworld, and so I think those might be
Speaker 4: how we're heading out. Then those don't feel nineties. If
Speaker 4: that makes a meimy.
Speaker 1: Say, no, you're right. There's a there's a shift into
Speaker 1: a world of horror, action, away and stuff kind of
Speaker 1: whatever this is, and.
Speaker 4: There's other you know, there's suspenseful stuff too, like you know,
Speaker 4: we get like, think what else was in two thousand,
Speaker 4: two thousand and two? Twenty eight days Later, for example,
Speaker 4: comes out in two thousand and two, same same time
Speaker 4: period as the other two movies, and that moves to
Speaker 4: the Mist in two thousand and seven, and The Ring
Speaker 4: comes out in two thousand and two. So I think
Speaker 4: that's kind of where we're moving towards. Like creepier, some
Speaker 4: creepier and some but the flavors of those movies feel
Speaker 4: out of the nineties, if.
Speaker 1: That makes well, they're more The other thing is that.
Speaker 4: A little bit more slick, perhaps well.
Speaker 1: More slick, but more more video game, more action, more adult,
Speaker 1: not adult in a in a sexual way, but adult.
Speaker 1: Like the characters that tend to be adults, they tend
Speaker 1: to be in professional jobs. They're professional mercenaries and crap
Speaker 1: like that. As opposed to there's this moment in the
Speaker 1: Buffy in the Buffy period when people are really kind
Speaker 1: of locating their passions in amongst teenagers.
Speaker 2: You know, this is the not I think that even started,
Speaker 2: you know, in the horror genre, you know, you know also,
Speaker 2: I mean aside from Buffy, that's also the influence of
Speaker 2: screen you know, like which was very much taking place
Speaker 2: in a world of teenagers.
Speaker 4: So yeah, if you want to bridget there, Jason, I
Speaker 4: would say that May, which also comes out in You're
Speaker 4: two thousand.
Speaker 1: Yeah, we saw, we saw May.
Speaker 5: I can't remember where I think, but Amazon probably.
Speaker 1: I think it's probably about Nonapi.
Speaker 4: But May is to me kind of the transition from
Speaker 4: Ginger Snaps to that because it's two thousand and two,
Speaker 4: but it's to me, it's that it's yet another transitional movie.
Speaker 4: And said, that's kind of I mean, of course this
Speaker 4: is this is a generalization. There's a lot to discuss, right,
Speaker 4: Like I said, we could do a whole other podcast. Yeah,
Speaker 4: I was looking, Wow, the others was two thousand and one.
Speaker 1: That's I want to mention. So anyway, we're in this
Speaker 1: period when when high schoolers ruled a school basically as
Speaker 1: far as R goes, and I love these two girls
Speaker 1: so you have Bridget who is the younger sister, and Catherine,
Speaker 1: who is the older sister. Julia referred to him as
Speaker 1: Irish twins because they ar so this is.
Speaker 3: Yeah, this is the first I want to kind of
Speaker 3: jump off of. At this point that the family structure
Speaker 3: to me was confusing. The whole time, I was like,
Speaker 3: are these actually biological sisters? Because she says she just
Speaker 3: turned fifteen, I'm about turn sixteen. I'm like, okay, they
Speaker 3: could be Irish twins. But then at one point she said,
Speaker 3: the one of the girls refers to the mom as
Speaker 3: Pamela or pam or whatever, so like is that it's
Speaker 3: their stepmother. And then when the mom's trying to tell
Speaker 3: them what to do, like the sister's going, daddy, can
Speaker 3: I blah blah blah, like as if she almost I
Speaker 3: was hearing almost that you're not my mom, kind of
Speaker 3: vibe with I'm asking my father, because.
Speaker 2: I just take that as she's being disrespectful to her mother.
Speaker 3: There was a lot of times when I was like,
Speaker 3: I don't understand these people's relationship. I don't. I was
Speaker 3: fully expecting at some point to learn that she was
Speaker 3: the stepmother and that the dad and maybe that the
Speaker 3: dad was even a werewolf, because the relationship with the
Speaker 3: dad was so weird and he wasn't really a fully
Speaker 3: developed character in their lives, which is very unusual for girls,
Speaker 3: like girls usually have a pretty tighty relationship with their dad.
Speaker 3: So there was so much there around that. So but
Speaker 3: uh so that that at that point I already was like,
Speaker 3: what's happened? What is the relationship? And then why did
Speaker 3: they live in the same room when they seem to
Speaker 3: have a really big house and their room seemed to
Speaker 3: be kind of a piece of ship room, Like there
Speaker 3: was like the walls weren't even finished. I don't know.
Speaker 3: I was so confused. I really thought there was going
Speaker 3: to be so much more to their family and to
Speaker 3: be like find out that maybe they were abused or
Speaker 3: maybe they're like their parents had you know, like maybe
Speaker 3: their mom had died or something. I just expected a lot.
Speaker 3: I expected so much more from the.
Speaker 5: Family to me. For me, the room says a lot.
Speaker 4: They hang out because they're both weirdos, and they are
Speaker 4: in the crap room because they're so morose that that's
Speaker 4: the way they like it.
Speaker 1: They have they have grapified their room that I believe
Speaker 1: I didn't have any like to me, it was to
Speaker 1: me that's shorthand for just.
Speaker 5: Understood.
Speaker 2: I think everything with the relationship with the dad is
Speaker 2: deliberate on behalf of the screen right and director, I
Speaker 2: think they were deemphasizing the dad is just kind of
Speaker 2: a putts who's out of touch with what's going on
Speaker 2: in his own house. And I just think that was
Speaker 2: the point. But to one thing that I will say,
Speaker 2: I have wondered about this movie, and to Julia's point,
Speaker 2: I have always wondered if there was a draft of
Speaker 2: the screenplay where the girls were twins and they couldn't
Speaker 2: They couldn't find two actresses that looked enough alike to
Speaker 2: be twins, so they decided that they were just very
Speaker 2: close in age, like like a year or so apart.
Speaker 2: And I have always going all the way back to
Speaker 2: them when the first time, when when I think I
Speaker 2: saw this in the theater when it first came out.
Speaker 2: I've always wondered that.
Speaker 3: But funny thing, it's a factory plays. The older sister
Speaker 3: is actually four years younger than the other actor.
Speaker 1: Is she really don't kidding?
Speaker 2: Well, the the Emily Perkins, the girl that's playing Bridget.
Speaker 2: You actually have seen something with her in it before
Speaker 2: where she was much younger. She's in the nineteen ninety
Speaker 2: version of it as then.
Speaker 3: The other sister isn't Carrie, which this movie reminds me tons.
Speaker 2: Of yeah, oh I can see that. But she's and
Speaker 2: she you know, and she's gone on to be in
Speaker 2: a lot of you know, she's been got had kind
Speaker 2: of a screen queen kind of career. But uh, you know, uh,
Speaker 2: I think that all the stuff with the way their
Speaker 2: parental relationships is deliberate, So I can't I can't really
Speaker 2: defend them to you, Julia, Like I, you know, I
Speaker 2: can say that I feel like it does work for
Speaker 2: me as as a kid that could sometimes be kind
Speaker 2: of rebellious and at times, and sometimes I would I
Speaker 2: would very snidely, you know, talk to my father and
Speaker 2: call him by his his you know, real name is
Speaker 2: an act of disrespect. But I would also talk to
Speaker 2: my mom in the way where I was trying to
Speaker 2: get permission for something if I you know, as a
Speaker 2: way of going over my dad's head. So like I
Speaker 2: I do feel like all that stuff is credible, but
Speaker 2: I you know, if it didn't if it didn't work,
Speaker 2: for you, and in fact, it confused you. I I
Speaker 2: you know I I also hear that because, like I said,
Speaker 2: I did. I have always wondered if there was a
Speaker 2: draft of this movie where the girls were twins, because
Speaker 2: I think so much about this movie, you know, makes
Speaker 2: me think of you know, my own you know, my
Speaker 2: own you know, childhood, growing up as a twin. Because
Speaker 2: there's a lot of choices.
Speaker 1: I mean, the thank you, Drew, I'm sorry, Yeah, there's
Speaker 1: all I was done. There's a lot of there's a
Speaker 1: lot of really wild choices that stacked up. If you're
Speaker 1: sort of already like hitting friction with it, you might
Speaker 1: you might start to go there's too many choices. I
Speaker 1: don't understand. Because key to the story is that one
Speaker 1: of the sisters has gotten her period, the other hasn't,
Speaker 1: and they're both like they both have breasts. I mean
Speaker 1: they're both like.
Speaker 3: Super and that's yeah, that's the next thing where I'm
Speaker 3: just like, no, no, that was just the same thing
Speaker 3: with cars as Carrie. It's the same thing where I'm
Speaker 3: just like, this is a fully developed young woman. She
Speaker 3: has gotten her period years ago. There's like literally no way.
Speaker 3: And so then I was like, well, is there just
Speaker 3: she's sick. Is there going to be a problem, Like,
Speaker 3: is it gonna We're gonna find us she's a condition,
Speaker 3: But no, it's just just part of the story.
Speaker 1: We're just going Then.
Speaker 3: The idea that they have this mom who just oh,
Speaker 3: I really want you to talk to me about things,
Speaker 3: and yet somehow they've never talked about a lot of
Speaker 3: this stuff, like when they go in to talk to
Speaker 3: the counselor and she's like, well this and this and this,
Speaker 3: and they're like, okay, well if they never had a
Speaker 3: conversation about it, which I'm like, there's no way they
Speaker 3: wouldn't have. They would to talk to all their friends
Speaker 3: about it. They would talk to every by now.
Speaker 2: But it doesn't really seem like they have friends though, but.
Speaker 3: Just comes up. It comes up in the bathroom, it
Speaker 3: comes up. They have the stupid talks that they do,
Speaker 3: you know, where they like take a separate the kids
Speaker 3: by gender. I mean, there's so many things like there's
Speaker 3: just literally no way any of that would have gone
Speaker 3: that way. So that that just again set me off,
Speaker 3: and I was like, I'm not I can't.
Speaker 1: I do want to mention though, going back for a
Speaker 1: moment to what I love about these two actors. I
Speaker 1: like that Bridget Emily Perkins, the younger sister character. She
Speaker 1: so completely fills this role where she wears these enormous sweaters,
Speaker 1: probably sweaters on top of sweaters. She hunches her shoulders
Speaker 1: inward and forward. Her whole body is dragged towards the
Speaker 1: ground in front of her. Her head is tilted at
Speaker 1: a forty five degree angle all the time to such
Speaker 1: that to carry on a conversation with people she must
Speaker 1: look up from underneath her brows at them, even she
Speaker 1: doesn't know.
Speaker 3: She never looks at them. She always is looking at
Speaker 3: the floor.
Speaker 1: She's just like, it is wonderful. I mean, I really.
Speaker 2: Going on thirty like she always looks stressed out.
Speaker 1: Yeah yeah, I so that's you know, it is. It's
Speaker 1: a wonderful performance. I really just think that she's incredible.
Speaker 1: I mean, in a way, this is the harder, the
Speaker 1: harder performance because Catherine Isabel does this straight as Ginger
Speaker 1: does this straight transformation where she starts out hunched over
Speaker 1: and she turns into one of the girls from the
Speaker 1: Craft really where she's walking in slow motion and wearing
Speaker 1: chokers and you know, and and all of this sexy stuff.
Speaker 1: And there's the thing that Tony was talking about where
Speaker 1: you begin to separate from your friends because one is
Speaker 1: going down a path that you're not going down, and
Speaker 1: that that I thought played really well, although again, Joy, it's.
Speaker 2: The other you know. You know, something Julia was saying
Speaker 2: about how Emily Perkins is actually the older of the two.
Speaker 2: I think in a way that kind of works because Bridget,
Speaker 2: the way the movie progresses, she has more emotional maturity
Speaker 2: than Ginger, especially once Ginger starts to become a were wolf,
Speaker 2: and she's very reactive to things, like you know, like
Speaker 2: not a lot of impulse control anymore, and so there's
Speaker 2: just something a little bit more inherently juvenile about her,
Speaker 2: like like she's I guess she's she's she's almost just
Speaker 2: like a walking teenage hormone, Like yeah, yes, do yeah,
Speaker 2: I and I do agree that. I think in some ways,
Speaker 2: you know, Bridget, it's not the showier part, but it's
Speaker 2: the anchor of the movie, you know, Like she's like,
Speaker 2: even though Ginger is the title character, the real main
Speaker 2: character is Bridget because we see everything through her.
Speaker 1: Yeah, absolutely, Bridget. If if we don't think of her
Speaker 1: at the beginning as the main character. By the middle
Speaker 1: of it, she clearly is because I mean, and I
Speaker 1: was a teenage werewolf. There is no Bridget character. So
Speaker 1: you know, you've only got Michael Landon who is trying
Speaker 1: into a werewolf and you know, and he has no
Speaker 1: there's no friend of his who is like keeping track
Speaker 1: and trying to see if they can save him. Like,
Speaker 1: there's nothing like that. There's the there's the whip Oh gosh,
Speaker 1: what's his name? Anyway, there's the you know, the mad
Speaker 1: scientist character who's no help at all. But here they've
Speaker 1: given us, They've given us somebody to worry about her. Yeah,
Speaker 1: Bridge is the main character. Let's see.
Speaker 3: Oh.
Speaker 2: I love.
Speaker 1: Another thing I really love is the boys, Like how
Speaker 1: how the boys are? I think the most brilliant thing
Speaker 1: in the world is the notion that after a sexual
Speaker 1: activity with this girl who has just become a werewolf,
Speaker 1: he starts bleeding blood from his penis, which he cannot
Speaker 1: hide from the people around him at school. I've never
Speaker 1: seen anything so funny in my life that is that
Speaker 1: is just brilliant. It's so weird and brilliant. I was like,
Speaker 1: how come I haven't yet seen a movie that gives
Speaker 1: me a boy whose penis is leaking blood for no reason.
Speaker 3: But it's interesting that that does turn the tables, well,
Speaker 3: it kind of turns tables in that girls will have
Speaker 3: will have we'll have periods and that will show up
Speaker 3: on their clothing before that. But also guys have their
Speaker 3: own issues during puberty that show up, you know, So
Speaker 3: I think that's just a regular, just a puberty thing.
Speaker 3: You know, that's just kind of it's adding a dimension
Speaker 3: to it.
Speaker 1: There is so much puberty stuff going on in this,
Speaker 1: you know that that it's that's the met that's the
Speaker 1: main thing. It's basically puberty with werewolves in a sense,
Speaker 1: well in the way.
Speaker 2: They his were wolf makeup. You know, it's interesting that
Speaker 2: you know, with Ginger, she gets i mean there's some
Speaker 2: body horror stuff, like she she has the tail that
Speaker 2: she tries to chop off, and you know, she's getting
Speaker 2: weird hair. But for the most part, she gets kind
Speaker 2: of a werewolf glow up. You know, like sudden suddenly
Speaker 2: she's wearing like the the midriff shirts and you know,
Speaker 2: like tighter skirts and and you know, like the craft,
Speaker 2: the craft Yah, yeah, yeah, but with the teenage boy
Speaker 2: wear wolf and I mean we don't see a whole
Speaker 2: lot of him, but you know, we see enough he's
Speaker 2: got like were wolf act me, you know, like he
Speaker 2: gets less attractive from from what's going on with him.
Speaker 2: And I I, you know, I I I always I
Speaker 2: guess find that A I don't know. I think it's
Speaker 2: like an interesting, interesting, and again deliberate choice that the
Speaker 2: girl were wolf gets, like I said, a glow up.
Speaker 2: But the boy who is sort of the walking embodiment
Speaker 2: of of date rape until the tables kind of get
Speaker 2: turned on him.
Speaker 3: Yeah, he looks, yeah.
Speaker 2: Bleeding from his clock.
Speaker 4: And I mean it's also the first time I think
Speaker 4: I've seen chanthropy pass through sex. Also, now I'm going
Speaker 4: to coin the term howmonal.
Speaker 1: That's how this works, oh man, Yes.
Speaker 4: But yeah, he yeah, he becomes spelled a N. Yes,
Speaker 4: it could be however however you like, but yes, And
Speaker 4: you know that's that's interesting too because part of because
Speaker 4: part of the whole acting thing is all this like
Speaker 4: he becomes super hormone guy, which and you know, we
Speaker 4: don't we can assume I guess that maybe the werewolf
Speaker 4: is male, that we when we actually see at the
Speaker 4: beginning of the one that can causes her transformation.
Speaker 3: Yeah he is, because the guy says he has a
Speaker 3: circumcised piece. And by the way, it bugged me that
Speaker 3: we never found out who that was and like, where
Speaker 3: did these werewolves start? That was another thing that bugged me.
Speaker 4: Yeah.
Speaker 2: Well, I would tell you to watch the prequel, but
Speaker 2: I don't think you would like that one either.
Speaker 4: I don't think I've seen any of the sequel, prequel
Speaker 4: anything from I think I might have seen part two.
Speaker 4: I have to remember, it's been a long time. But yeah,
Speaker 4: I thought that was fascinating. And again, you know, having
Speaker 4: it passed through sexual contact is I don't think I've
Speaker 4: seen that anywhere else. But it fits the teenaggs kind
Speaker 4: of part of it, you know, it really does. And
Speaker 4: that's it's it's interesting to think that I associate Buffy basically,
Speaker 4: I associate metaphorical teenage horror with Buffy the Vampires Layer
Speaker 4: because it was such a big cultural thing, right it was.
Speaker 1: It was very important to the culture. But this movie
Speaker 1: is doing its own its own puberty teenage horror metaphors. Uh, well,
Speaker 1: I think that are different from the Buffy metaphors, and
Speaker 1: that's pretty cool.
Speaker 4: I think this one is for the true women horror
Speaker 4: fans right, because how gross it is and everything, which
Speaker 4: usually gorehounds tend to be guys interested. I think that,
Speaker 4: you know, this is definitely one of those Hey we
Speaker 4: made something for you too.
Speaker 1: There's a small set of those, because there's that one
Speaker 1: with the girl who has I think it was called teeth.
Speaker 1: She has the vagina dian tie, so she's.
Speaker 3: I mean, whoever's idea that was assumes that women. One
Speaker 3: of the talk like showing a bunch of girls having
Speaker 3: periods and all over the floor. I mean, no, why
Speaker 3: would we want that? Like you don't want to see
Speaker 3: a bunch of guys just leaking semen everywhere? Like why
Speaker 3: would that be something that you would enjoy?
Speaker 5: You know what?
Speaker 3: I mean, that's not It depends on how I mean
Speaker 3: I'm talking about just in general, like like dacking off
Speaker 3: by themselves and in their in their bathroom.
Speaker 2: What what is that? What does that meant to symbolize
Speaker 2: in the movie though, Like that that's an.
Speaker 3: Abstract make it for women just because girls are bleeding
Speaker 3: over the slayer, That's what I'm saying. I don't know,
Speaker 3: but that was my idea.
Speaker 2: I mean, it's it's it, you know, obviously there was
Speaker 2: a woman's screenwriter on this, so like, I you know,
Speaker 2: and but I'm not going yeah, like and I, like
Speaker 2: I said, I do know a lot of women that
Speaker 2: just love this movie. So you know, I never think
Speaker 2: though that just going back to my comment about the
Speaker 2: more specific you make something, the more relatable it is.
Speaker 2: I never Okay, So like I'm writing right now a
Speaker 2: story where the two main characters are a lesbian couple.
Speaker 2: That does not mean that it's like, yes, I hope
Speaker 2: lesbians enjoy it in the way that I hope most
Speaker 2: people enjoy it, But that does not mean that it's
Speaker 2: only for a leans. So like, I'm sure the people
Speaker 2: who made this were glad and probably gratified that it
Speaker 2: spoke to certain women, obviously not to Julia, but that
Speaker 2: does I doubt they were like, we're making this for
Speaker 2: women specifically, because you don't make a were wolf movie
Speaker 2: with I think the probably the actual thought process that
Speaker 2: was going into this because and this is going to
Speaker 2: open this up a little bit into the overall because
Speaker 2: you know, we're doing werewolf movies and so to me,
Speaker 2: the werewolf movies that tend to stick around, they turn
Speaker 2: you know, being a were wolf into a metaphor, so
Speaker 2: like you have in like American Werewolf of London, being
Speaker 2: a were wolf is it's post traumatic stress disorder. You know,
Speaker 2: you you have certain werewolf movies that play with the
Speaker 2: idea of being a were wolf as an addiction. This
Speaker 2: movie shows, you know where you know, like anthropy is
Speaker 2: puberty and you know that that I you know, I
Speaker 2: think like the menstruations and stuff and everything you know
Speaker 2: is probably more hinging on that than I. Again, even
Speaker 2: though there is a woman's screenwriter involved with this movie,
Speaker 2: the director is a man, and I seriously doubt that
Speaker 2: they were like, we're making a movie just for women
Speaker 2: horror fans, because I just I don't, at least to me,
Speaker 2: I just don't think that's the way the creative process works.
Speaker 2: I think you come up with what kind of stuff
Speaker 2: are we you know, we're trying to tell a werewolf story.
Speaker 2: Is what is a werewolf represent in what we're the
Speaker 2: story we're trying to tell. I think they probably talked
Speaker 2: about that, but.
Speaker 1: I wanted to do something she spoke about. So I
Speaker 1: saw a quotation from Karen Walton, Okay, and what it
Speaker 1: was is she it was just a different way into
Speaker 1: the story. She felt like she felt like this would
Speaker 1: be a new angle. She was thinking about American Werewolf
Speaker 1: in London, which is about two men, one's becoming a
Speaker 1: one's becoming a werewolf, one's dead, but he's still around
Speaker 1: for all of them, and she's like, she thought, let's do
Speaker 1: that with women, Like what would it be? I think
Speaker 1: that all of all of the above can be true
Speaker 1: because you could have inadvertently created something that found it's
Speaker 1: found a wide market but also found a cult following
Speaker 1: in female Gore fans everywhere, but not all of them,
Speaker 1: because Julia by Now is a female female horror fan
Speaker 1: and it's not to her taste, right, and that's.
Speaker 2: Okay, but not everything. Again, not everything needs to be
Speaker 2: for everybody.
Speaker 1: Right right right?
Speaker 2: No, for sure, But I honestly, I feel like what
Speaker 2: you just said about what she said about American Werewolf
Speaker 2: in London kind of confirms what I was just saying,
Speaker 2: because she wasn't saying I want to write a story
Speaker 2: about you know, that's that's own, that's only for the
Speaker 2: specific group of people to enjoy. She was saying, Hey,
Speaker 2: wouldn't it be interesting if we told a were wolf
Speaker 2: story that was centered on women?
Speaker 1: And in two thousand by the way, I mean, that's
Speaker 1: that's like.
Speaker 3: But I guess I'm thinking the more I'm thinking about it,
Speaker 3: the more the issue I had. One of the issues
Speaker 3: I have is that it's not centered on women. Supposedly,
Speaker 3: it's centered on cubescent girls, and yet immediately after they
Speaker 3: supposedly quote unquote go through puberty, suddenly she's this sex pot,
Speaker 3: Like she's like this sex kitten, and that's just not
Speaker 3: how it is. When you actually just get a period,
Speaker 3: you're like the most awkward you're ever going to be.
Speaker 3: You're not like, you know, there might be some twelve
Speaker 3: year old boy who's attracted you now you have boobs,
Speaker 3: but she's not this girl. Like this girl is hot
Speaker 3: and and everybody you know.
Speaker 2: Is like, well, that's also supposed to be because she's
Speaker 2: turning into a ware wolf exactly. But you're on top
Speaker 2: of that mixing up.
Speaker 3: It's all of it's things like it's like, oh, she's
Speaker 3: sexy because of her body, and she's sexy because she's sixteen,
Speaker 3: and she's sexy ex turning to werewolf, but also she
Speaker 3: just had a period. For her first period, I'm like,
Speaker 3: it doesn't work for me. She shouldn't that just I
Speaker 3: just feel like it either should have been one or
Speaker 3: the other. Either she's entering like sexual maturity and becoming
Speaker 3: a were wolf, or she's got a period and becoming
Speaker 3: were wolf, but not both. Like to me, they don't
Speaker 3: go together.
Speaker 1: That's interesting what you just said a lot, But if
Speaker 1: you had kept it as a metaphor and left out
Speaker 1: the actual getting of the period at the ripe old
Speaker 1: age of sixteen, then then it might have been a
Speaker 1: simpler story to tell her.
Speaker 3: Yeah, if she was just suddenly like finding herself sexually,
Speaker 3: that'd be fine. I think that would have been I
Speaker 3: would have way preferred that film interesting before Again, if
Speaker 3: you as she was thirteen and getting a period, that
Speaker 3: would have been fine too. And then she wasn't just
Speaker 3: you know, like maybe guys were finding her sexually attractive
Speaker 3: because she's now got boobs, but that's like a new
Speaker 3: thing and she's not the one kind of just like
Speaker 3: not everybody's just going this this this very sexually uh developed,
Speaker 3: you know, like whatever, the mature girl.
Speaker 2: And she's probably she's probably between nineteen and twenty five,
Speaker 2: because that's right away exactly hot.
Speaker 3: She is a sex kitten. I mean, she's gorgeous, So
Speaker 3: there's not I do think.
Speaker 2: I do think it's well, first of all, you are
Speaker 2: one hundred percent allowed to feel that way, and I'm
Speaker 2: a guy, so I'm not going to tell you how
Speaker 2: to feel. But I you know, as it aside to that,
Speaker 2: something I thought about this time around with the sort
Speaker 2: of idea of like she's she's a sexualized where Wolf.
Speaker 2: I do think it's interesting that they chose that the
Speaker 2: more wolfy she gets, the blonder she gets, which is
Speaker 2: sort of like the more you know, sex kitten kind
Speaker 2: of kind of hair color. And I never I never
Speaker 2: thought about that until now. You know, it's sort of
Speaker 2: almost like Pamela Anderson where Wolf she.
Speaker 1: Gets the white stripes like rogue, and.
Speaker 2: By the time that she's like, you know, like that,
Speaker 2: she by the time like you you have her almost
Speaker 2: fully wolfed out, like she's just yeah, she's got like
Speaker 2: this platinum blonde you know, big you know, lily monster. Yeah.
Speaker 2: So and it looks it looks, you know, like it
Speaker 2: does like you know, they were definitely trying to like
Speaker 2: if this movie were to come out now, I guarantee
Speaker 2: you I would go to a convention in a few
Speaker 2: months and we would see people coss playing this character
Speaker 2: and you know, maybe they're you know, maybe I just don't,
Speaker 2: you know, aren't good. I'm not going to the right
Speaker 2: conventions because maybe there still are people that do that.
Speaker 2: But like it just the choice to make her blonde,
Speaker 2: which is like the most stereotypically sexy hair color too, right, right,
Speaker 2: But I think I think that wasn't part of the
Speaker 2: culture quite yet. I think, you know, there was a
Speaker 2: gest stating period. Yeah, but I mean, you know, I
Speaker 2: think with guys in my age group, because I think,
Speaker 2: you know, if you talk to guys, this is this
Speaker 2: is a revealing thing. But when you talk to guys
Speaker 2: in my age group, I think most of them will
Speaker 2: tell you that they think that redheads are sexier than blondes.
Speaker 2: But I think a lot of that also goes back
Speaker 2: to like maybe imprinting on who framed Roger Rabbit at
Speaker 2: an early age, you know, you know, I and I
Speaker 2: think that that really came around. But I mean the
Speaker 2: idea of like a blonde, you know, bombshell is ever green,
Speaker 2: it is this, it's stereotypical.
Speaker 1: Although it's now we're just thinking now I'm just thinking
Speaker 1: of redheads. We were talking about Ginger from Ginger the
Speaker 1: movie Star from from Gilligan who was from Gilligan's Island,
Speaker 1: a late nineteen sixties television program for those of you
Speaker 1: who weren't born, and it's, uh, basically, we all also
Speaker 1: grew up with the bombshell of you know what, Ginger
Speaker 1: is a lot like Jessica Rabbit.
Speaker 2: I mean, Ginger is basically that they were trying to
Speaker 2: do a redheaded Marilyn Monroe.
Speaker 1: But the.
Speaker 2: My point is, though it's not the other I'm not
Speaker 2: trying to say that other hair colors can't be thought
Speaker 2: of as sexy. And certainly there are people that think
Speaker 2: brunettes are the height of sexiness, and certainly there's I'm
Speaker 2: I'm just saying blonde is stereotypically You're absolutely right.
Speaker 3: Yes, yes, correct.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm not even saying that I agree with that.
Speaker 1: Nobody saying that that's totally cool, which leads to the
Speaker 1: you know, those stereotypes are so freaking weird, man, I mean,
Speaker 1: there's it's so weird to see those stereots like to see.
Speaker 1: You know, I always liked Elia has awesome curly hair.
Speaker 1: I always loved curly hair, always loved it, and it
Speaker 1: was so weird to me to watch movies like The
Speaker 1: Princess Diaries and stuff like that where this girl has
Speaker 1: awesome hair and she straightens it. Nothing, no disrespect towards
Speaker 1: straight hair. I got straight hair myself, but it.
Speaker 3: Is so I'm gonna tell you. I'm going to tell
Speaker 3: you a secret, and that is that is what you
Speaker 3: call internalized racism because we as Latinas, and I'm sure
Speaker 3: I shouldn't speak for other people, but I imagine possibly also
Speaker 3: true for other ethnic groups who have curly hair. I
Speaker 3: have been told our whole lives that we really should
Speaker 3: have straight hair. You should be straightening your hair, do
Speaker 3: everything you can to have straight hair, because that's better.
Speaker 3: And it's because internalized racism, that is, that is the idea.
Speaker 3: So for the for those of us who are like, no,
Speaker 3: I'm gonna wear my hair natural, there's a bunch of
Speaker 3: people going, that's just not you shouldn't be doing that.
Speaker 2: That's also you know, also, you know, you just always
Speaker 2: want what you don't have. Because I have curly hair
Speaker 2: and I hate it, but everybody's always telling me that
Speaker 2: I have great hair, and I'm like, I wish I had.
Speaker 1: Well.
Speaker 3: I grew up I was a kid in the seventies
Speaker 3: and I definitely wish I had straight hair that because
Speaker 3: everybody had straight hair, so I was like dying to
Speaker 3: have straight hair. But but then once I realized that,
Speaker 3: it took me. It took me until the end of
Speaker 3: the eighties to realize, wait a minute, all these people
Speaker 3: are getting perms, are trying to have what I have naturally,
Speaker 3: so I should just embrace it. But literally get It
Speaker 3: took me the whole eighties to get over what the
Speaker 3: seventies had done to me, to make.
Speaker 1: Me think that probably for so many people, Yes.
Speaker 2: Wow, I mean I think I think you know, nowadays
Speaker 2: we we we you know, have this culture where you know,
Speaker 2: people are trying to learn to like what they have,
Speaker 2: but you know that's always going to be a struggle
Speaker 2: that teenagers. Look look at the way I'm I'm steering
Speaker 2: us back to you film, the teenagers in particular struggle
Speaker 2: with and I think you know that is also something
Speaker 2: that's that's kind of going on in this this movie,
Speaker 2: because yet another one of the metaphors they choose to
Speaker 2: deal with is is like, you know, there's a lot
Speaker 2: of of like cutting in this movie, and of course,
Speaker 2: you know, teenagers, particularly teenage girls sometimes will will cut
Speaker 2: themselves if they Yeah. So you know, there's there's that
Speaker 2: and that, and there is also literally a scene where
Speaker 2: where Mimie Rogers interrupts Ginger in the bathroom and you know,
Speaker 2: to get her out. She says, oh, well, I'm I
Speaker 2: you know, she says, oh, you don't have anything I
Speaker 2: haven't seen before, hauled by that.
Speaker 3: I would never invade my children's privacy that way. That
Speaker 3: was just appalling.
Speaker 2: Well, you also probably wouldn't threaten to burn down your home.
Speaker 3: Too, so with my husband in it. By the way,
Speaker 3: what about dad in the house. No, that seemed to
Speaker 3: me like she was burning down the house with dad
Speaker 3: in it.
Speaker 1: That's why I didn't take it that way. But okay,
Speaker 1: I totally heard that.
Speaker 2: I'm there for Julia's interpretation. Whatever makes it more batshit
Speaker 2: is because.
Speaker 4: It's turning to ride or die. Mom was definitely like unexpected.
Speaker 4: Well you know, I like, I know you probably killed somebody.
Speaker 3: Well, that's why again, I kept expecting there to be
Speaker 3: like a Lost Boys twist where she was actually a
Speaker 3: were wolf too or something. I don't know. I really
Speaker 3: wanted there to be.
Speaker 2: I don't think these were wolves. I mean I I,
Speaker 2: you know, I don't know that the were wolves. I
Speaker 2: think this is another thing like the recent wolf man.
Speaker 2: I don't know that they turn back into people once
Speaker 2: they've completely wolfed out.
Speaker 3: Maybe there would be some kind of something, you know,
Speaker 3: like something in the family or whatever, but I don't know.
Speaker 4: So something else I found fascinating. So we have our
Speaker 4: our ex our pseudo Van helsing in this uh.
Speaker 2: Drugs dealer.
Speaker 1: He's great.
Speaker 4: I love I find it interesting that we have you know,
Speaker 4: he's a pot dealer, but he was he's not your
Speaker 4: typical man kind of He's no.
Speaker 3: He's a scientist. He's a botanist.
Speaker 4: He's a botanist. He's like, look, man, I can sell dirt.
Speaker 4: Wey the kids in this screen, Like that's that's how
Speaker 4: I survived because this whole botanist thing probably isn't as lucrative.
Speaker 4: So you know, he's selling dirty or his own strain
Speaker 4: to to you know, high school kids, yes, and putting
Speaker 4: up with them smoking up in his van. Uh.
Speaker 2: You know.
Speaker 4: It's also this kind of landscaping van. But I thought
Speaker 4: it was interesting that we have a you know, early
Speaker 4: two thousands, you know, I mean, I guess he does
Speaker 4: a little bit, but in general he doesn't like partake him.
Speaker 4: He's not never with his own product. Like he doesn't
Speaker 4: become the stereotypical stoner. He's much more like, hey, let's
Speaker 4: figure he's the scientist of the bunch, which is an
Speaker 4: interesting that that the scientist in this town would be
Speaker 4: the botanist guy who's also you know, grown weed in
Speaker 4: his in his u in his uh greenhouse.
Speaker 1: Yeah, he's got a little greenhouse. And yeah, he's a
Speaker 1: neat character. I like that. He also has this nineties
Speaker 1: this nineties look with the floppy hair and and everything.
Speaker 1: You know, he's got his work van that these kids
Speaker 1: are away. Have you ever been who has been smoking
Speaker 1: weed in a closed vehicle like like I have, because
Speaker 1: you know sometimes and holy crap, yes, I mean holy mackerel,
Speaker 1: it is like it. I I'm just it's unbelievable, like
Speaker 1: like like just the way the way it just infuses an.
Speaker 4: Yeah, it's that. And then also like again a high
Speaker 4: school age it's usually crappy. I never really smoke. Uh,
Speaker 4: you know, I've been to enough concerts that I mean,
Speaker 4: you just get a contact. I'm just being around, but
Speaker 4: you know, and also like hey man, let me turn
Speaker 4: you know, the whole gamut. Well, this time I have
Speaker 4: to smoke, ea, isn't it can? Or what if I
Speaker 4: have an apple? Like all of that stuff that you know,
Speaker 4: Dennis Theory talks about you becoming a carpenter.
Speaker 1: The silly thing, of course, is the funny thing is
Speaker 1: I am not because I smoked cigarettes for so long,
Speaker 1: I am not really sensitive to the smell of cigarette.
Speaker 1: Smoke doesn't bother me like at all, but the smell
Speaker 1: of weed, like the strong smell of weed, like somebody's
Speaker 1: been smoking in their little car for like an hour,
Speaker 1: and like that, it is not to my taste.
Speaker 4: I mean, I'd rather be around stoners than people who
Speaker 4: are drunk any day of the.
Speaker 5: Week, fair on Sunday.
Speaker 1: Oh no.
Speaker 4: But also like if you've also the other one is
Speaker 4: if you've ever had anybody spilled bomb water anywhere. That's
Speaker 4: that's the one that's just like, oh man, what what
Speaker 4: do you do? But anyway, back to this guy, and
Speaker 4: it was interesting that like this is our like I
Speaker 4: said again, he's kind of our Van Helson bringing the
Speaker 4: science to it and trying to figure out things. And
Speaker 4: you know, it's it's that that turn of like the
Speaker 4: jealousy that happens when the popular girl who you know
Speaker 4: likes him, is mad because it looks like he's he's
Speaker 4: definitely not attracted to Bridget, but their interactions making you
Speaker 4: know that that whole tension and everybody kind of thinks
Speaker 4: that he's like, man, I just want to figure out
Speaker 4: what what about wear wolves?
Speaker 2: Yeah I thought that, well, but he isn't. I do
Speaker 2: like that he isn't like he still is like, uh,
Speaker 2: a teenage boy at the end of the day, because
Speaker 2: like when when Ginger comes out, right, he's not Yeah,
Speaker 2: but he's not that much like at most you know,
Speaker 2: I think he.
Speaker 6: Don't think he's gone, he's yeah, he might be twenty one,
Speaker 6: but he's he's not that much older than the kids
Speaker 6: in the movie.
Speaker 2: He feels like a peer. And when Ginger comes on
Speaker 2: to him, like he does it immediately throw her off,
Speaker 2: you know, like it takes them, it takes him a second.
Speaker 2: So like he is still believable as like a hormonal
Speaker 2: younger guy to me, you know, like I I don't know,
Speaker 2: I I just appreciate that he's not like this flawless
Speaker 2: hero type, like he's he's a good he's a good regardless.
Speaker 7: Well, yeah, but I'm not hold that against them, you know,
Speaker 7: But like in the way the world your guy, your
Speaker 7: your dealer is not especially let's say especially the year
Speaker 7: two thousand is about the dealer at.
Speaker 2: This point is a entrepreneur. He's he's also a landscaper.
Speaker 4: Right, and I get you, but in general, like that
Speaker 4: he's still depending where he's that he's still gonna end
Speaker 4: up in jail if he gets caught.
Speaker 3: Right.
Speaker 1: Well, I don't know much about Canada, but I but
Speaker 1: I another aspect of his character that I really like.
Speaker 1: I like that he is not trying anything with Bridget
Speaker 1: he regards her as too young and and like, if
Speaker 1: this movie had been made in nineteen seventy six, I
Speaker 1: guarantee you that this guy would not be so careful.
Speaker 2: Well, also, he also probably would be played with something
Speaker 2: by some guy who looks like he's forty.
Speaker 1: Yeah, no, if Bill Murray, and he'd be like, I
Speaker 1: don't know, maybe like yeah yeah.
Speaker 4: And even up until the point where Ginger comes because
Speaker 4: he's not about he's like, look, I'm not high school anymore.
Speaker 4: It's his attitude because the one the girl he's trying
Speaker 4: to come on to him all the time. Yeah, he's
Speaker 4: their age. He's like a sixteen year old. Yeah, you know,
Speaker 4: like like there's a there's a he's driving off like
Speaker 4: he has he's like, I'm out of high school.
Speaker 1: It is so fun, by the way, to think how
Speaker 1: the seventies was a different universe, just a different universe.
Speaker 1: We didn't have rules for anything. I'm just shocked that
Speaker 1: people survived, because honestly, like like just Jesus Christ.
Speaker 2: I'm more I'm more surprised to anyone's surviving right now.
Speaker 1: But well there is that. I do worry, but yeah, yeah.
Speaker 4: But I you know, it's it's also you know, he's
Speaker 4: the one who says, hey, this is an off shet,
Speaker 4: like we're not gonna use wolf Spaine, We're gonna use this.
Speaker 4: You know, this could be a cure all that stuff,
Speaker 4: and we go. We find out later too, he knows
Speaker 4: exactly what's going on despite the bridge. It's like, oh,
Speaker 4: he thinks it's me, that's the world.
Speaker 5: Yes, yes, he knows.
Speaker 2: He's so.
Speaker 4: I thought that was a lot of that having I
Speaker 4: thought that dynamic was really great.
Speaker 1: Does Canada celebrate Halloween? I didn't even know that, Yeah
Speaker 1: they did. It was a big thing in Canada. That's
Speaker 1: pretty cool, all right, we should probably hit on whatever
Speaker 1: we have not brought up, and then moved towards our
Speaker 1: final thoughts.
Speaker 2: Well, what else did Julia hate about it? Yeah? Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 2: well no.
Speaker 3: I mean she just as we've been going through. It's
Speaker 3: like I'm chiming in with with all the things. It's
Speaker 3: basically everything that, you know, everything I thought was going
Speaker 3: to happen didn't happen, and then I didn't like very
Speaker 3: many of the things that did happen. So I don't
Speaker 3: like I didn't like the creature effect. I didn't like
Speaker 3: the the werewolf that when she turned fully into the
Speaker 3: were wolf, I didn't like that how it ended like
Speaker 3: that They didn't they didn't end up using the the
Speaker 3: antidote to turn her back like I thought she was
Speaker 3: going to turn her back and then they would be
Speaker 3: kind of off in the sunset together as best sister.
Speaker 2: I mean, when when do werewolf movies have happy endings?
Speaker 3: Well, but I like happy endings, so I don't like
Speaker 3: it when they.
Speaker 2: I mean, I can't, I can't fall to for the
Speaker 2: because you know, it sounds like your reaction to this
Speaker 2: was not dissimilar to my reaction to the Wolfman remake.
Speaker 1: So that's so funny.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, you know, like because but I will say this,
Speaker 2: I do think the ending would be a little better
Speaker 2: if they had stopped her transformation when she was a
Speaker 2: little more human looking, because I think the fact that
Speaker 2: you lose you know, Ginger entirely well to a degree
Speaker 2: that's sad. You now have Emily Perkins acting off of
Speaker 2: this animatronic were wolf puppet that looks like a gorilla
Speaker 2: and a wolf had had a baby, and I think,
Speaker 2: you know, the chemistry between the two girls is so
Speaker 2: much of a core of the movie that I will
Speaker 2: say this time around watching it, I did think to
Speaker 2: myself that I would like the ending of the movie
Speaker 2: better if if she hadn't been that far, or if
Speaker 2: they at least kept her in this sort of pre
Speaker 2: total wolf out stage.
Speaker 1: I liked her vampire look in the party, when she's
Speaker 1: like that with white hair and she's gone.
Speaker 2: I think that's the the I think I would have
Speaker 2: liked to have seen that like a little longer. I mean,
Speaker 2: you know, I I can understand the impulse of wanting
Speaker 2: to have like a big, you know, show that she's
Speaker 2: like fully gone, but you know, you know, this is
Speaker 2: just me, you know, speculating because of some of the
Speaker 2: stuff that that Julia said, and then you know kind of,
Speaker 2: you know what one of my own reactions of this
Speaker 2: time of revisiting it. But you know, I don't I
Speaker 2: I never like happy ending so that that's a that's
Speaker 2: a whole other thing.
Speaker 5: I was. I was glad.
Speaker 4: I like happy endings, but also I didn't expect that
Speaker 4: from this. But I will say I thought that they
Speaker 4: I kind of see where both of you are coming from.
Speaker 4: I do think that up until a point they when
Speaker 4: they picked, when they decide to pick and choose where
Speaker 4: to show the creature so that they could kind of
Speaker 4: get the bang for the buck for animatronics and having
Speaker 4: to spend the money to make all that and film it.
Speaker 4: I think it was really smart. There's a lot of cutaways,
Speaker 4: there's a lot of kind of hiding it off screen,
Speaker 4: a lot done with soundscape. I thought was really good
Speaker 4: filmmaker decisions to give you creature when when it made
Speaker 4: the most sense. And I that's the kind of stuff
Speaker 4: that was kind of going through my head this time,
Speaker 4: was like, oh, you know, I'd forgotten they how much
Speaker 4: they kind of keep you guessing or are really smart,
Speaker 4: like when it runs past and they'll they'll turn the
Speaker 4: cameras to certain ways. I you know, I thought that
Speaker 4: was great. And again I think that the turn the
Speaker 4: mom's turn of like she doesn't see you know, we
Speaker 4: skipped over the whole part where you know, their rival
Speaker 4: comes to see them and she gets killed totally accidentally,
Speaker 4: but they were ready to use violence.
Speaker 1: Having said that, I still I don't recommend this. If
Speaker 1: somebody that you are having a fight with, nevertheless slips
Speaker 1: and im pails themselves and dies, my best advice is
Speaker 1: probably to go ahead and call the police.
Speaker 3: Rather she hit her head on the counter, that would
Speaker 3: have been easily Like, there was no reason why they
Speaker 3: didn't call the police at that point. Just all they
Speaker 3: need to do is put the knife back where it was,
Speaker 3: because I mean, there wasn't anything. They didn't do anything
Speaker 3: really to her. So yeah, I thought that was really dumb.
Speaker 3: And the whole thing with the fingers really annoyed me.
Speaker 3: That whole thing was annoying.
Speaker 4: Yeah, but without the fingers, we don't get the mom going,
Speaker 4: you know what, let's all, let's let's down.
Speaker 3: There would have been plenty of other opportunities because they
Speaker 3: did a lot of other ship. I mean, they did
Speaker 3: kill some people.
Speaker 1: I just want to say, by the way, I think
Speaker 1: she's Mimi Rogers. One of the reasons she's so great
Speaker 1: is she is just like these girls are on their
Speaker 1: own planet, kind of talking their own language in the
Speaker 1: beginning almost and and doing their their tableau, and they
Speaker 1: they really have their thing down of being annoyed by
Speaker 1: the rest of the world. I mean, there's a there's
Speaker 1: a kind of joy in their counterculture of two that
Speaker 1: they live in, and they got a good life ahead
Speaker 1: of them wherever the hell they're going to go. Mimi
Speaker 1: Rogers is very similar. She has her own look and
Speaker 1: her own way of speaking and and everything hers is
Speaker 1: the opposite. Like she's wearing pastels and and you know,
Speaker 1: embroidered flowers and stuff like that. But she's still all
Speaker 1: of these are all these people are very unusual, you know,
Speaker 1: And so I like, I like Mimi Rogers in this
Speaker 1: in this movie, she's a cool mom. She is. Yes,
Speaker 1: And one thing I.
Speaker 3: Will say I did like I did like all the
Speaker 3: crazy pictures that the girls were taking of like face
Speaker 3: setting up fake face.
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, that's what I'm saying. Yeah, yeah, I guess
Speaker 1: I should know. Yeah, their tableaux or dioramas, I guess
Speaker 1: could call them anyway. They're they're awesome.
Speaker 8: Yeah, yeah, I think there's I didn't. I definitely didn't
Speaker 8: mind that the ending as it is, I it doesn't
Speaker 8: go where you think it might go as well, And
Speaker 8: I was okay with that because you know, you.
Speaker 4: Didn't know, Okay, are they both gonna wolf out and
Speaker 4: they'll they'll get back, they'll become you know, wearable sisters
Speaker 4: and therefore go off or will see heal and not
Speaker 4: to deal with the aftermath, you know, all the stuff
Speaker 4: with Sam getting you know, fit and all that like
Speaker 4: whoa that you know, it goes places you don't expect
Speaker 4: great in a in a horror movie. So I didn't mind.
Speaker 4: I I you know, like I said, I I liked
Speaker 4: kind of where it headed.
Speaker 1: Awesome. Okay, I think we've hit probably everything. Let us
Speaker 1: let's go ahead and get our final thoughts. This has
Speaker 1: been really fun. This has been extremely fun to talk about,
Speaker 1: especially with with one person not a big fan, because
Speaker 1: it gives you an opportunity to sort of like like
Speaker 1: kind of thing like about about your own point and go, huh,
Speaker 1: is this gonna pass? Muster.
Speaker 2: Uh.
Speaker 1: I love it. So this has been a lot of fun, Julia.
Speaker 3: I mean, the only thing I want to say that
Speaker 3: I haven't said is that I did think the actor
Speaker 3: performances work pretty good. I think the girls are great,
Speaker 3: and so I don't want to take away from that. Yeah,
Speaker 3: but I think I've said everything else I needed to say.
Speaker 1: Thank you, thank you.
Speaker 2: Uh.
Speaker 1: Let's see Tony. Uh.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I really I like the movie. I kind of
Speaker 4: now that. And now we're talking, I do wish we
Speaker 4: had another woman on the cast. Not not to say
Speaker 4: the degree or anything, but just like I'm a guy,
Speaker 4: so there's a lot of stuff.
Speaker 1: So we're not ganging up you. No, no, I get it.
Speaker 4: Well no, no, Well, it's just like there's contextual things
Speaker 4: I didn't have. The I'm not gonna have the same
Speaker 4: high school experience, and I mean, I you know, I
Speaker 4: I didn't need either way because I grew up in such.
Speaker 5: A small, weird town and all of that.
Speaker 4: But you know before but I I know enough to
Speaker 4: kind of know and like, like I'm in the same
Speaker 4: boat with Drew. Like I know a lot of women
Speaker 4: who are like this is my jam and this is
Speaker 4: what when I saw this, like horror made sense to me,
Speaker 4: and this made sense to me, and I get it,
Speaker 4: and so I always kind of took it around like okay, cool,
Speaker 4: like that.
Speaker 5: Gets the past.
Speaker 4: But again, everybody, you know, there's stuff I don't like
Speaker 4: that's popular and it's fine. I felt like I knew
Speaker 4: the experience where I could through that. I felt like, okay,
Speaker 4: well I get it. But regardless, I thought it was
Speaker 4: a good kind of coming of age, you know, team
Speaker 4: horror movie. And it definitely again, the ripples from this
Speaker 4: movie are felt throughout the horror. This is an important
Speaker 4: movie for horror, especially indie horror, and I you know,
Speaker 4: looks to me, it looks good. I mean, it is grotesque.
Speaker 4: I forgot, like I said, wore, I forgot how like
Speaker 4: how glory it was, especially you know, it's animal horror,
Speaker 4: like when it's just where Woltz or it's like people,
Speaker 4: you're like, oh, poor people. But you know, when it's
Speaker 4: your pet.
Speaker 2: There's a lot of different that's a.
Speaker 4: Different kind of Oh no, you know that that's a visceral. Ah,
Speaker 4: that's really even more grotesque.
Speaker 1: That's true.
Speaker 3: I did think it was really funny that scene when
Speaker 3: the woman because the opening, by the way, is really effective.
Speaker 3: The little kid digging in the sandbox and then sudden
Speaker 3: pulls up blood on his fingers. That was very effective.
Speaker 3: And then the mom is just screaming that it's got her.
Speaker 3: They killed their dog, and the kids playing like hockey
Speaker 3: or whatever it was in the street are just like, okay, lady, whatever,
Speaker 3: that's pretty That was pretty good scene.
Speaker 1: I like that.
Speaker 4: One thing that is great is that sets that that
Speaker 4: sets the tone. This is not Tim Burton Suburbia. Yeah,
Speaker 4: this is a this is a different Grady or suburbia
Speaker 4: where nobody like this is seven Ton, and it's what
Speaker 4: they're reacting to. It's what the sisters are reacting to.
Speaker 4: You like, nobody cares, pro test. Things happen and we're
Speaker 4: part of this grotesquery. And the mom is like, and
Speaker 4: also nothing is nothing affects you and till it affects
Speaker 4: you directly is what they're in this in this area.
Speaker 4: And that's that opening really sets the tone for all
Speaker 4: of that and kind of where they're coming from. I
Speaker 4: thought that was I agree with you, that's brilliant.
Speaker 1: That really that really was. Thank you very much, Tonny Drew.
Speaker 1: What are your thoughts?
Speaker 2: I really like this movie. I actually, this is yet
Speaker 2: another movie that we've done that I actually thought we
Speaker 2: had already done an episode on which I guess when
Speaker 2: you have.
Speaker 1: Yeah, or you know, since episode four and fifty five.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean that many done so many movies, you're
Speaker 2: bound to have some memory slippage. But you know, I,
Speaker 2: I I think it's not only you know, an important
Speaker 2: horror film. I think it's one of when when people
Speaker 2: start listing off like movie they would if you were
Speaker 2: to say, somebody to somebody, okay, listen me the ten
Speaker 2: best where wolf movies, this is one that would crop
Speaker 2: up on a lot of people's lists. So it's it's
Speaker 2: a very very important movie to the werewolf cannon. So
Speaker 2: I'm glad that we finally did it, you know. I
Speaker 2: if nothing else, we got Jason his chance. We gave
Speaker 2: Jason an excuse to watch it. I I also just think,
Speaker 2: you know, I, I really find this movie affecting in
Speaker 2: a lot of ways, Like you know it. It hits
Speaker 2: me in in the right way, you know, with with
Speaker 2: just about every viewing, So I I never feel like
Speaker 2: I've wasted my time when I revisit it. But obviously
Speaker 2: not everybody felt that way. And I like Jason, I
Speaker 2: do think that that's made for a more dynamic conversation,
Speaker 2: and I am I am there for for Julie is
Speaker 2: the scent I'm disliking a movie that is typically acclaimed.
Speaker 1: So yeah, anyway, wonderful, thank you very much. I have
Speaker 1: loved discussing this movie.
Speaker 2: That there are.
Speaker 1: Lots of films that are cult favorites or even just
Speaker 1: pop cultural favorites that that miss you because you know,
Speaker 1: there's a lot of movies, there's a lot of pop culture,
Speaker 1: and we just we don't have time to watch everything.
Speaker 1: So there's lots of stuff I've missed, and it's kind
Speaker 1: of cool to like circle back to to pick one up.
Speaker 1: And I enjoyed, I enjoyed watching this. I'm I'm sorry,
Speaker 1: Joya that you didn't dig it, because you know, we'll
Speaker 1: we'll we'll have to watch something soon that that that
Speaker 1: is more more to your taste. Yeah yeah, yeah, but
Speaker 1: but I've really loved hearing the discussion on it. This
Speaker 1: has been really cool. Okay, let's get our endorsements. I
Speaker 1: don't even remember what my endorsement. I'm gonna have to
Speaker 1: look for my notes, but well, but luckily I go
Speaker 1: last Trulia and I'm writing down what people endorse so
Speaker 1: that I concluded in the in the show notes, what
Speaker 1: do you got? What do you got for us?
Speaker 3: Well, I've already endorsed several times severance, but it continues
Speaker 3: to kick ass. But I also want to throw in
Speaker 3: a show that is very different from what I usually like,
Speaker 3: but I'm so happy to be watching it, which is
Speaker 3: called The Traders. It is a like Mafia or Werewolf
Speaker 3: the game. It's where they you know, basically you don't
Speaker 3: know who the Traders are of the group, but it's
Speaker 3: a reality basically kind of a reality game show type
Speaker 3: of show, like a Survivor type of thing, and everyone
Speaker 3: and it's it's led. It's hosted by Alan Cumming and
Speaker 3: he is delicious and wonderful in every single way. They're
Speaker 3: in this gorgeous castle in like Scotland, I think, for someplace,
Speaker 3: and and all of the contestants are people who were
Speaker 3: famous from other reality shows. So there will be like
Speaker 3: you know, Tom sand them all from Pander Pump Rules,
Speaker 3: and some people from Survivor, and a bunch of housewives
Speaker 3: and a bunch of people, all these different people and
Speaker 3: it is the funniest show. I just love it. So much.
Speaker 3: I can't wait for the new episodes. So that is
Speaker 3: my guilty pleasure.
Speaker 1: Thank you very much. The traders. All right, Tony, what
Speaker 1: about you?
Speaker 2: Let's week.
Speaker 4: I have a bunch of stuff so I'll try to
Speaker 4: keep it make quick, but I do have a bunch
Speaker 4: of stuff on the Gotch store. Starting out on the
Speaker 4: bands side, one of my one of my favorite bands.
Speaker 5: They're from Houston.
Speaker 4: Warlong just released their album and it's pretty awesome. I'll
Speaker 4: have to Jason, I'll send you links. Yeah, it is cool.
Speaker 4: They're really good people and kick asks like great vocals.
Speaker 1: How do you pronounce? How do you spell that? Sorry? Warlong?
Speaker 4: Warlong?
Speaker 5: Just there? Lung.
Speaker 4: Their their album is The Poison Touch and it's out
Speaker 4: on band camp and Heavy sych Sounds I believe is
Speaker 4: their album label for the correctly. I'll give you all
Speaker 4: of that. Yeah, Heavy sych Sounds. My Friend's and Duel
Speaker 4: are on that. But war Along is great and like
Speaker 4: I said, they're good people. Scorpion Child from Austin is
Speaker 4: making their comeback with the new album as well, so
Speaker 4: that's pretty pretty great. I think other things coming out.
Speaker 4: Trick or Treat is actually getting a non special edition version,
Speaker 4: so anybody who missed the original four K Trick or Treat,
Speaker 4: which I bought multiple covers of because I'm crazy that way.
Speaker 4: It's coming out on four K Blu ray and DVD
Speaker 4: and that's uh, March eleven. So if you missed, if
Speaker 4: your if you're fan like I am, and you missed
Speaker 4: the original release because it sold out pretty quickly, March
Speaker 4: eleventh is coming out. So that's really cool. I haven't
Speaker 4: got a screener for it yet to compare and contrast,
Speaker 4: but kind of multiple formats on that one is pretty awesome.
Speaker 4: There's also there's going to be a limited edition flip
Speaker 4: cover on that, and I got the screener because it
Speaker 4: sounded great and it sounded like a fun thing.
Speaker 5: It was really fun.
Speaker 4: I got the screener for a horror comedy horror slack
Speaker 4: of comedy that comes out on the fourth of March.
Speaker 4: It's gonna be on demand called Gothic Slayers. It's kind
Speaker 4: of a post Normally I'm not for the jocks, but
Speaker 4: the jocks in this air nerds. They're they run a
Speaker 4: mini golf place, okay, and it's them versus a cult
Speaker 4: of a gothic cult and they play a game called
Speaker 4: Gothic Slayers, and so there's a lot of pixel art
Speaker 4: game stuff. In fact, they intersperse kind of pixel art
Speaker 4: gameplay in with the movie, which has done really well.
Speaker 4: You know, it's kind of broad humor. So you know, Jason,
Speaker 4: I don't know. I have no picture bag, but I
Speaker 4: find it endearing. I thought it was cool. It's kind
Speaker 4: of a a lot there's a lot of sound effects
Speaker 4: and stuff. Kind of it's kind of a post Scott
Speaker 4: Pilgrim kind of movie.
Speaker 5: Got it well, there's a.
Speaker 4: Lot of that kind of video game soundtrack mixed in,
Speaker 4: you know, sound effects, et cetera. But I Ray and
Speaker 4: I both had fun. Like I got the screener because
Speaker 4: you know, we were in goth bands and you know,
Speaker 4: Rain wrote her you know, hot and Mini Golf book,
Speaker 4: and so I was like, oh, we need to see this,
Speaker 4: and so they were kind enough to send us a
Speaker 4: screener for Gothic Slayers. I think that it's a fun
Speaker 4: horror comedy. It has a lot of heart. I dug
Speaker 4: it so that sounds like it's up, you know, up
Speaker 4: your alley. You can catch it on the fourth of March.
Speaker 1: Cool.
Speaker 4: I think it's cool. You know, we'll include the trailer
Speaker 4: and everything like that, and the two other things. I
Speaker 4: saw Companion, which I thought was fantastic. I wish it
Speaker 4: had a shorter wind, a longer window in the theater.
Speaker 4: It's about to come out on the man by kind
Speaker 4: of singer than.
Speaker 5: I thought, which Lable.
Speaker 4: I thought, yeah, you know, I mean, you know, that's
Speaker 4: the nature of the biz. But I thought Companion it
Speaker 4: has a lot to say, It's got a lot of
Speaker 4: great actors and actresses in it. It's well worth through time.
Speaker 4: And then finally on Apple Plus, I saw The Gorge,
Speaker 4: which Jason Julian, you guys need to see this like
Speaker 4: it's uh. And our friend Carhill was a proasterer on it.
Speaker 4: It's a Scott Derekson, so you know, they're they're kind
Speaker 4: of the combo working together on a lot of stuff,
Speaker 4: cool stuff. And I thought it's really it was a
Speaker 4: really good kind of Valentine stay weakened. There's romance, there's action, uh,
Speaker 4: there's thriller stuff. I we had a blast, uh you know,
Speaker 4: and Rain's pretty picky on movies, so she really dug it.
Speaker 4: We watched it on my projector and it looks great.
Speaker 4: It's on right now, So yeah, I forgot.
Speaker 3: Yeah, we do know. I forgot to talk about Companion,
Speaker 3: which was great. I won't go into it because it's
Speaker 3: not my turn but anymore, but it was really good
Speaker 3: to the movie.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it was solid, right scary actually, yeah, very.
Speaker 4: Very and you know, there are some great moments in it.
Speaker 4: We were like, yeah, that's it, that's what you do.
Speaker 4: Like I get it, but uh yeah, you guys should
Speaker 4: you guys should check.
Speaker 5: Out the gorge.
Speaker 4: It's it's really it's done really well. I expected as much.
Speaker 4: I think my only regret is I kind of wish
Speaker 4: I could have caught they did a screening here in town,
Speaker 4: and I would have loved to see Ben with a
Speaker 4: crowd in a theater when different things happened, just to
Speaker 4: get that visceral crowd like whoa. You know, I think
Speaker 4: our direction on it's really gatty. They do some stuff
Speaker 4: with the creature effects that I was very pleased. And
Speaker 4: I know that's kind of long winded, but again, I
Speaker 4: saw a lot of stuff this week.
Speaker 1: Then sure, sure, sure, true. What about you?
Speaker 2: I'm going to keep it really short and sweet. I
Speaker 2: am have teamed up with David Bolse, who is frequently
Speaker 2: on the podcast as well as Superstar comic book artist
Speaker 2: Monica Gallagher and Superstar comic book colorist Harry Saxon to
Speaker 2: create The Matron, which is a slasher comic book series
Speaker 2: that first of all, it takes place during the deep
Speaker 2: freeze that happened in Texas during twenty twenty one. It's
Speaker 2: it's got a lot of cool elements to it. It
Speaker 2: has its roots in an old Texas chainsaw massacre comic
Speaker 2: book pitch, but is evolved into something brand new. We're
Speaker 2: doing it with IPI Comics, which are based out of Australia,
Speaker 2: and they are running a very cool Kickstarter campaign with
Speaker 2: all kinds of crazy perks, one of which began as
Speaker 2: a joke that I made on our group chat about
Speaker 2: how one of the perks should be allowing you to
Speaker 2: get drawn into the comic book as one of the
Speaker 2: Matron's victims. So yes, you could actually get killed by
Speaker 2: our slasher in this comic book if you become a backer,
Speaker 2: So please check out the campaign. This is you know,
Speaker 2: I have had a very long career in comic books,
Speaker 2: but I have mostly stuck in my own lane with Halloween. Man.
Speaker 2: This is my first time really kind of uh back,
Speaker 2: you know, like getting getting out of that lane in
Speaker 2: in a good while. And I think what David and
Speaker 2: I have come up with is really special, and you
Speaker 2: know it is gonna speak to a lot of people
Speaker 2: right now, but also, uh, you know it's it's I think,
Speaker 2: a unique take on the slasher genre. So please again
Speaker 2: check out the Matron on Kickstarter.
Speaker 1: Wonderful, Thank you very much, and I'm going to leave
Speaker 1: it there and come back with endorsements next week. But
Speaker 1: I am so thankful that you guys would share. And
Speaker 1: I've really enjoyed talking about ginger snaps as we make
Speaker 1: our way through a lot of different werewolf movies. I
Speaker 1: think it's I.
Speaker 3: Think it's ginger like ginger active.
Speaker 1: I've enjoyed generous snaps. And so we're making our way
Speaker 1: through really great beloved films and some cult movies and
Speaker 1: some that are both, and surely one or two there neither.
Speaker 1: So this is I'm having a lot of fun with this,
Speaker 1: all right, Everybody, be excellent to one another, leave us
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Speaker 1: to talk to you again. Have a wonderful evening, everybody.
Speaker 5: Everybody