WEBVTT 1 00:00:08.199 --> 00:00:10.960 Hello, and welcome to the Castle of Horror, the show dedicated 2 00:00:10.960 --> 00:00:14.439 to horror movies an awesomeness. This week we have a 3 00:00:14.480 --> 00:00:17.679 look at the two thousand horror film Ginger Snaps. Bear 4 00:00:17.719 --> 00:00:19.640 in mind if you haven't seen today's movie, we're going 5 00:00:19.679 --> 00:00:22.120 to be talking about it from the perspective of horror 6 00:00:22.160 --> 00:00:25.800 fans who have seen it, so warning spoilers ahead. From Denver, Colorado, 7 00:00:25.839 --> 00:00:29.239 I'm your host, Jason Henderson, publisher at Castlebridge Media, home 8 00:00:29.239 --> 00:00:32.000 of the Castle of Horror anthology. With me from Austin 9 00:00:32.320 --> 00:00:35.479 is Tony Sabaggio, lead singer and bassist of the band 10 00:00:35.479 --> 00:00:37.880 Deserts of Mars and lead guitarists of the band Rise 11 00:00:37.920 --> 00:00:42.439 from Fires Helo Toney Howdy Howdy. Also in Austin, Mister 12 00:00:42.520 --> 00:00:45.280 Drew Edwards is the writer creator of the long running 13 00:00:45.359 --> 00:00:48.679 underground comic Halloween Man, which you can find of Global Comics. 14 00:00:48.960 --> 00:00:52.119 He is a Best Writer Ringo nominee, Austin Chronicle Best 15 00:00:52.119 --> 00:00:54.039 of Austin Award winner and a member of the Pen 16 00:00:54.119 --> 00:00:55.039 America Fellowship. 17 00:00:55.039 --> 00:00:57.399 Saalo Drew and then the only thing that makes me 18 00:00:57.439 --> 00:01:00.159 feel better is tearing live things. The shred. 19 00:01:04.000 --> 00:01:08.159 And finally, also in Denver, color commentary. I can't wait 20 00:01:08.200 --> 00:01:11.519 to discuss this movie with you. Julia Guzman of Guzman 21 00:01:11.560 --> 00:01:14.879 Immigration of Denver. Say hello, Hi everyone, Hi, Hi. We 22 00:01:14.920 --> 00:01:17.040 had lunch today, Julia and I almost never had lunch, 23 00:01:17.040 --> 00:01:19.359 and it was really nice. We were at a place 24 00:01:20.959 --> 00:01:23.159 I don't even know, Lone Tree, Lone Tree, Colorado, and 25 00:01:25.079 --> 00:01:27.079 it was cool to see you at lunch. That was neat. 26 00:01:27.239 --> 00:01:30.200 So I just wanted to report that's It's a glimpse 27 00:01:30.239 --> 00:01:32.920 into our day, all right. Ginger Snaps is a two 28 00:01:32.920 --> 00:01:36.879 thousand Canadian supernatural horror film directed by John Fawcett, written 29 00:01:36.920 --> 00:01:39.560 by Karen Walton from a story that they developed together. 30 00:01:39.879 --> 00:01:43.920 It stars Emily Perkins and Catherine Isabelle as Bridget and 31 00:01:44.000 --> 00:01:49.599 Ginger Fitzgerald, two sisters who have this morbid hobby of 32 00:01:50.079 --> 00:01:54.840 reproduced well or or creating basically these these tableau of death. 33 00:01:55.280 --> 00:01:59.120 They're very, very cool, but then their relationship is tested 34 00:01:59.159 --> 00:02:01.879 when Ginger, who's starts having her period for the first time, 35 00:02:02.200 --> 00:02:05.319 is attacked and bitten by an unknown animal and then 36 00:02:05.439 --> 00:02:08.680 starts to transform into a werewolf. So this is this 37 00:02:08.719 --> 00:02:12.599 is a teenage werewolf movie. The supporting cast features Chris 38 00:02:12.759 --> 00:02:17.479 Chris Lemchi, Jesse Moss, Daniel Hampton, John Bourgeois, Peter Callaghan, 39 00:02:17.599 --> 00:02:22.439 and the always fabulous Mimi Rogers, who I think is 40 00:02:22.719 --> 00:02:25.960 giving basically Kim Darby a run for her money as 41 00:02:26.039 --> 00:02:31.000 the quirky mom in this film. So, this film came 42 00:02:31.039 --> 00:02:33.879 out in theaters finally in May two thousand and one. 43 00:02:34.280 --> 00:02:36.960 It is a huge cult hit. I have overlooked it. 44 00:02:37.000 --> 00:02:41.120 I've never seen it before this moment. So I'm looking 45 00:02:41.120 --> 00:02:43.439 forward to you guys explaining to me how in the 46 00:02:43.479 --> 00:02:46.400 hell I could have missed this film. Let's get her 47 00:02:46.439 --> 00:02:49.400 opening thoughts as go Julia Tony Drew, and then I'll 48 00:02:49.439 --> 00:02:52.759 go Julia, and I kind of dread sticking this with 49 00:02:52.800 --> 00:02:55.120 you because I'm not sure if this was your favorite film. 50 00:02:55.520 --> 00:02:59.199 But Julia, lay it honest, what are your opening thoughts 51 00:03:00.360 --> 00:03:02.560 this movie? This movie? 52 00:03:03.319 --> 00:03:06.879 I just I just I just can't. I can't with 53 00:03:06.960 --> 00:03:12.080 this movie. Uh. It is so gory and gross and 54 00:03:12.080 --> 00:03:14.560 and and just like a lot of the things. Well 55 00:03:14.599 --> 00:03:16.960 that that first of all, the fact that of so 56 00:03:17.080 --> 00:03:20.039 gross distracted me throughout the whole film, But there was 57 00:03:20.080 --> 00:03:22.360 other things as well where I would just be like, no, 58 00:03:22.800 --> 00:03:25.800 this is dumb. No that's not how anything works. No, 59 00:03:26.240 --> 00:03:28.319 that's not what would happen here? What where did that 60 00:03:28.360 --> 00:03:31.120 come from? Who are these people? What is happening? 61 00:03:31.599 --> 00:03:31.680 So? 62 00:03:32.199 --> 00:03:35.520 Uh yeah, that was this was not this was not 63 00:03:35.599 --> 00:03:37.800 I was not the audience. I was not the audience. 64 00:03:38.240 --> 00:03:39.960 That's a challenge. This is going to be a challenge 65 00:03:40.000 --> 00:03:42.919 for us because we're ready to go. Ah, this is amazing. 66 00:03:43.039 --> 00:03:45.439 It speaks to women, and it's got all this feminine 67 00:03:45.479 --> 00:03:50.280 body blah blah blah. And and you the only, uh, 68 00:03:50.479 --> 00:03:53.520 the only person who identifies as a woman on this show. 69 00:03:54.319 --> 00:03:56.879 You are not the person that that's going to be 70 00:03:56.919 --> 00:03:59.639 supporting the film. So so so you're a trader to 71 00:03:59.639 --> 00:04:00.879 your or I just want you to know. 72 00:04:00.840 --> 00:04:05.120 That that's all. 73 00:04:05.280 --> 00:04:06.240 That's one. 74 00:04:11.159 --> 00:04:13.400 Like it even more now she feels safe. 75 00:04:15.599 --> 00:04:21.439 It's always been the safe place, you're safe. 76 00:04:20.560 --> 00:04:23.360 Space, Tony. What are your thoughts? 77 00:04:23.920 --> 00:04:26.639 So now I'm a little worried, like do I like 78 00:04:26.680 --> 00:04:29.319 it this much? And because I'm a guy and I 79 00:04:29.399 --> 00:04:32.120 missed things. This is my second or third time seeing it. 80 00:04:32.480 --> 00:04:35.480 I was it's funny. I almost said, oh when you 81 00:04:35.639 --> 00:04:37.279 when you hadn't seen it, And then I realized that 82 00:04:37.360 --> 00:04:40.279 would be that would have been funny. 83 00:04:42.079 --> 00:04:43.920 That was I would not have thought of that. That 84 00:04:44.040 --> 00:04:45.800 was I appreciate it. 85 00:04:46.040 --> 00:04:48.720 I'm surprised you hadn't seen it. Uh yeah, I saw 86 00:04:48.759 --> 00:04:50.720 it not too long after it came out. I think 87 00:04:50.800 --> 00:04:53.519 I saw it on video. I don't think I saw 88 00:04:53.560 --> 00:04:57.600 it in the theater. I didn't remember how grotesque it was, 89 00:04:57.800 --> 00:05:00.920 like the gore in it, how much more the I 90 00:05:00.959 --> 00:05:03.360 get some for some strange reasons, I blocked that out. 91 00:05:03.480 --> 00:05:04.279 It's pretty gory. 92 00:05:05.040 --> 00:05:05.480 I don't know. 93 00:05:05.720 --> 00:05:08.839 I still like it. I still under I understand. I 94 00:05:08.879 --> 00:05:11.639 have friends and definitely friends of friends in the horror 95 00:05:11.639 --> 00:05:15.600 community who definitely identify like women who identify as like 96 00:05:15.879 --> 00:05:17.800 I get this, this is this was kind of an 97 00:05:17.959 --> 00:05:22.319 alt women, all all team kinda yeah kind of movie, 98 00:05:22.360 --> 00:05:25.600 you know. Uh And so now I'm curious, like I 99 00:05:25.600 --> 00:05:28.240 don't know, like is it just me? But I actually 100 00:05:28.399 --> 00:05:32.120 I enjoyed the movie. I thought the traffickings were great. 101 00:05:32.160 --> 00:05:34.199 I thought it was interesting. I think they made good 102 00:05:34.279 --> 00:05:39.000 choices when and where to show the creature. So yeah, 103 00:05:39.079 --> 00:05:41.000 I'm kind of I mean, I'm really interested to hear 104 00:05:41.160 --> 00:05:44.079 Juliet hearing you know, your thoughts on how it progresses, 105 00:05:44.079 --> 00:05:47.279 because for me, it was solid both all the times 106 00:05:47.279 --> 00:05:50.199 I've seen it, So I don't know, maybe I missed something. 107 00:05:50.279 --> 00:05:54.040 But other than forgetting, it was more glory than I 108 00:05:54.079 --> 00:05:56.279 remembered I thought it was. I thought it was an 109 00:05:56.279 --> 00:05:59.920 interesting wearbo movie. Definitely of its time, right, like we've 110 00:06:00.040 --> 00:06:01.879 and I think this influenced. 111 00:06:01.319 --> 00:06:02.480 A lot of movies as well. 112 00:06:03.480 --> 00:06:07.439 The influence you can see the ripples in women making 113 00:06:07.519 --> 00:06:10.680 film as well as as kind of identifying with these 114 00:06:10.759 --> 00:06:12.560 characters or not are kind or you know, in some 115 00:06:12.600 --> 00:06:14.759 ways rejecting some of the things they didn't like and 116 00:06:14.839 --> 00:06:18.000 like kind of taking that making their own. So yeah, 117 00:06:18.040 --> 00:06:20.040 I'm interested in the rest of the discussion for sure. 118 00:06:20.079 --> 00:06:21.639 Cool true, lad on me. 119 00:06:21.759 --> 00:06:25.519 Well, first of all, I mean, not everything is for everybody, 120 00:06:25.639 --> 00:06:30.879 So it's okay if Julia didn't like it, it's also okay. 121 00:06:30.959 --> 00:06:34.040 It's also okay if you liked it, Tony and I. 122 00:06:34.800 --> 00:06:38.360 For the record, I know lots and lots of women 123 00:06:38.639 --> 00:06:43.199 who do like this movie a lot, including you know, 124 00:06:43.279 --> 00:06:45.920 as I was saying before we started recording, Jamie and 125 00:06:45.959 --> 00:06:50.600 I are friendly with a fairly famous bur lesque dancer 126 00:06:50.839 --> 00:06:54.759 here in Austin who takes her her stage name from 127 00:06:55.000 --> 00:06:58.240 from this film. So you know obviously what you were 128 00:06:58.319 --> 00:07:03.000 saying about, Uh, you know, the the the effect and 129 00:07:03.079 --> 00:07:07.639 the influence that it had on on you know, sort 130 00:07:07.680 --> 00:07:12.319 of alternative type uh women. You know, I think that's 131 00:07:12.399 --> 00:07:17.000 definitely there. But again it's it's it's okay to not 132 00:07:17.160 --> 00:07:20.439 like things. So I I, you know, even though I 133 00:07:20.639 --> 00:07:24.360 myself am a big fan of this movie, I I 134 00:07:24.439 --> 00:07:26.639 and you know, when we started this latest round of 135 00:07:26.680 --> 00:07:29.800 were wolf movies with the new version of The wolf Man, 136 00:07:30.040 --> 00:07:33.519 you know that my my, one of my immediate takeaways 137 00:07:33.560 --> 00:07:36.600 from it is that that that movie took took a 138 00:07:36.680 --> 00:07:42.120 lot from this movie, especially the sort of body horror 139 00:07:42.399 --> 00:07:48.040 take on uh, turning into a werewolf, where it's it's 140 00:07:48.399 --> 00:07:52.319 you know, a slower transformation. Although I think this movie 141 00:07:52.759 --> 00:07:55.600 does it a lot better because it's not in a 142 00:07:55.639 --> 00:07:58.879 matter of hours. It's over a period of a month, 143 00:07:59.160 --> 00:08:02.040 and I think because of that, you get to see 144 00:08:02.399 --> 00:08:06.720 more more uh it's a little more punishing, I guess. 145 00:08:08.240 --> 00:08:12.839 I think also this movie does a very good job 146 00:08:13.240 --> 00:08:19.040 of kind of capturing a certain team, Like the teenagers 147 00:08:19.120 --> 00:08:24.439 in this movie are sort of amplified versions of teenagers, 148 00:08:24.519 --> 00:08:31.360 like so that sort of hormonal, you know, acting out behavior, 149 00:08:32.000 --> 00:08:35.000 you know, I think this movie captures that well. I 150 00:08:35.039 --> 00:08:37.279 also think, you know, like I was, I was saying 151 00:08:37.320 --> 00:08:41.840 this to David Bulls, friend of the podcast David Bulls, 152 00:08:41.919 --> 00:08:45.240 the other day that you know, I'm a big believer 153 00:08:45.799 --> 00:08:51.399 that the more specific that you make things often in writing, 154 00:08:51.759 --> 00:08:54.240 actually the more relatable they become. 155 00:08:54.519 --> 00:08:57.120 And boy, we should take that into either a T 156 00:08:57.240 --> 00:09:00.639 shirt or a real Honestly, that is so so I 157 00:09:00.679 --> 00:09:03.840 want a cartoon of Drew on Instagram saying the more 158 00:09:03.879 --> 00:09:07.120 specific you make it that that is that is so 159 00:09:07.120 --> 00:09:07.600 so true. 160 00:09:07.720 --> 00:09:12.600 Well, what this this movie does is is very very 161 00:09:12.679 --> 00:09:20.000 much zero in on the world of sisters. But I 162 00:09:20.039 --> 00:09:23.720 think it, you know, and it does I think a 163 00:09:23.759 --> 00:09:28.559 pretty good job of capturing that. But also, you know, 164 00:09:29.399 --> 00:09:32.000 you know, speaking of someone who was a twin, you know, 165 00:09:32.960 --> 00:09:36.879 you know, I still find this movie incredibly relatable. You know, 166 00:09:37.519 --> 00:09:41.919 of of someone that that you know, had like, you know, 167 00:09:42.000 --> 00:09:44.480 a sibling and you know, we were very much like 168 00:09:44.519 --> 00:09:47.480 wrapped up in each each other, you know, in that 169 00:09:47.639 --> 00:09:51.480 kind of deep, deep friendship that that was. That it 170 00:09:51.600 --> 00:09:56.200 became very painful when you know, you know, they started 171 00:09:56.240 --> 00:10:01.360 going off and experiencing things on on their own. You know, 172 00:10:01.759 --> 00:10:05.240 when when when when puberty started to happen, and you know, 173 00:10:05.399 --> 00:10:10.320 so I think again, even though this is with zeroing 174 00:10:10.440 --> 00:10:14.039 in on a certain kind of feminine relationship. You know, 175 00:10:14.320 --> 00:10:18.480 I still found the relationship in this movie very very, 176 00:10:18.679 --> 00:10:22.600 you know, affecting and relatable and everything. So that's kind 177 00:10:22.639 --> 00:10:27.080 of a long winded first thoughts, but needless to say, 178 00:10:27.120 --> 00:10:30.000 I am a fan of this movie, although I will 179 00:10:30.000 --> 00:10:33.679 stand by Julia's right to not like it as well, 180 00:10:33.759 --> 00:10:37.320 because that's that's that's what makes the world go reund. 181 00:10:37.320 --> 00:10:40.120 I think it's worth discussing, Like even the even though 182 00:10:40.120 --> 00:10:43.080 there's a there's a different dynamic with the being sisters. 183 00:10:43.240 --> 00:10:46.559 I think there's also especially if you're on the weird, 184 00:10:46.840 --> 00:10:50.399 the weird side of everything, like if you're an outcast 185 00:10:50.440 --> 00:10:53.519 at all, and you know, throughout high school or junior 186 00:10:53.559 --> 00:10:56.000 higher whenever you are. If if that's a thing that 187 00:10:56.080 --> 00:10:58.639 you associate with, like if you have a deep friendship, 188 00:10:58.720 --> 00:11:02.720 even that can be a stopping point. I'm like, well, wait, 189 00:11:02.759 --> 00:11:05.039 why don't you want to hang out more? All of 190 00:11:05.080 --> 00:11:07.720 those things? Uh, this is a this is a different 191 00:11:07.840 --> 00:11:10.039 version of that. But if you have a deep friendship, 192 00:11:11.120 --> 00:11:13.159 I mean I you know, I think I had a 193 00:11:13.200 --> 00:11:16.320 good friend, and then you know, everybody starts discovering different 194 00:11:16.320 --> 00:11:17.960 things and you do your own thing, and then it's 195 00:11:18.000 --> 00:11:20.840 a weird time because also that was your friend who 196 00:11:20.879 --> 00:11:23.720 you shared being weird with. I don't know, you know, yeah, 197 00:11:23.799 --> 00:11:27.120 so like that was a you know, I remember specifically 198 00:11:27.120 --> 00:11:30.159 that was really strange and transitional and weird. I was, 199 00:11:30.320 --> 00:11:32.759 you know, not my favorite time, I guess. But but 200 00:11:33.039 --> 00:11:35.480 you know, here it's it's different. But I think a 201 00:11:35.519 --> 00:11:37.759 lot of people, I think can relate even if it 202 00:11:37.840 --> 00:11:41.759 wasn't a sibling relationship or even any of that. 203 00:11:42.039 --> 00:11:44.759 So I do think it's it's relatable. 204 00:11:44.320 --> 00:11:44.759 In that way. 205 00:11:44.840 --> 00:11:46.360 I want to talk a little bit about the setting 206 00:11:46.399 --> 00:11:49.279 of this film because obviously we'll get into the werewolf 207 00:11:49.360 --> 00:11:52.720 isms and and and all that stuff, and and I 208 00:11:52.759 --> 00:11:55.399 think it's good actually that we've got somebody who's not 209 00:11:55.519 --> 00:11:58.080 so enamored of it, since Jolia, you're you're not so 210 00:11:58.200 --> 00:12:00.759 into the film, because that'll be useful that keep us 211 00:12:00.840 --> 00:12:05.080 going off it. Okay, well, fair, I'll bet you that 212 00:12:05.159 --> 00:12:08.840 if I removed some of the blood licking gore and 213 00:12:08.919 --> 00:12:12.320 some of the girl braining herself and they don't know 214 00:12:12.320 --> 00:12:14.320 what to do with the body, you you know, in 215 00:12:14.320 --> 00:12:16.600 other words, I'll bet you could make some snips here 216 00:12:16.600 --> 00:12:18.879 and there, and you might you might dig it more. 217 00:12:19.000 --> 00:12:21.120 But I actually it doesn't matter to me. 218 00:12:20.559 --> 00:12:23.919 It's so many things anyway, we'll. 219 00:12:23.360 --> 00:12:27.039 Get okay, no. But but what I was saying was 220 00:12:27.080 --> 00:12:29.360 I'm really actually glad that that that we're not all 221 00:12:29.360 --> 00:12:31.960 aligned on this because it makes it it makes for 222 00:12:31.960 --> 00:12:35.480 a more dynamic conversation. So I thought it was really 223 00:12:35.559 --> 00:12:38.519 cool just looking at this movie. This film is Is 224 00:12:39.080 --> 00:12:40.960 came out in two thousands, so you got to figure 225 00:12:41.000 --> 00:12:44.039 it's being shot in like sometime in ninety nine and 226 00:12:44.120 --> 00:12:47.240 early two thousand. I suppose maybe maybe earlier than that. 227 00:12:47.279 --> 00:12:51.080 I'm not I'm not really sure. And uh, it has 228 00:12:51.159 --> 00:12:53.960 this look you know that reminds me. I think you 229 00:12:54.000 --> 00:12:56.639 guys were saying it was kind of nineties. Everybody's wearing 230 00:12:56.679 --> 00:13:01.679 these just these oversized clothes. I there's something about the 231 00:13:01.759 --> 00:13:05.320 way these girls present themselves and the sort of grungy, 232 00:13:05.720 --> 00:13:09.440 chain smoking way that all of these teens are presenting 233 00:13:09.919 --> 00:13:13.080 that is of a particular time. It doesn't look like now, 234 00:13:13.279 --> 00:13:15.759 doesn't look like twenty twenty six, and it doesn't really 235 00:13:15.799 --> 00:13:18.320 look like like the eighties either. I mean, it's a 236 00:13:18.360 --> 00:13:20.600 particular thing, wouldn't you say. 237 00:13:20.440 --> 00:13:23.720 Well, not for nothing, but some of the oversized clothes 238 00:13:23.799 --> 00:13:26.039 is because this takes place in Canada. 239 00:13:26.200 --> 00:13:31.240 I'm sure, well that's true. It is on Halloween, on 240 00:13:31.320 --> 00:13:34.519 the evening of Halloween. They have the garage door open. 241 00:13:34.559 --> 00:13:36.960 There's one point where they're going and you can see 242 00:13:37.000 --> 00:13:40.919 snow just sort of like really sleep, just garbage snow 243 00:13:40.960 --> 00:13:44.919 that's wet coming down. And I was like, man, I 244 00:13:44.960 --> 00:13:46.440 mean it snows in Halloween here. 245 00:13:46.519 --> 00:13:50.879 Yeah, it's definitely fall because there's a lot of you know, 246 00:13:51.039 --> 00:13:54.279 colorful trees at least for part of it, but you 247 00:13:54.320 --> 00:13:57.080 can see that it's just always overcasts. And it just 248 00:13:57.120 --> 00:13:59.399 seemed it felt cold. The whole movie felt cold. 249 00:13:59.480 --> 00:14:03.399 But isn't that just that's the time. It makes no 250 00:14:03.440 --> 00:14:04.600 sense to say the. 251 00:14:04.600 --> 00:14:07.440 Times, yeah Halloween at some point, Yeah. 252 00:14:07.240 --> 00:14:09.399 Well no, but I mean to me for some reason, 253 00:14:09.440 --> 00:14:12.399 for reasons, I guess, so wrapped up in grunge music, 254 00:14:12.519 --> 00:14:16.039 the nineties and the early two thousands look like Seattle, 255 00:14:16.440 --> 00:14:18.559 Like there's a like pop culture. 256 00:14:19.600 --> 00:14:20.399 Grunge rock and all that. 257 00:14:20.440 --> 00:14:26.399 Yeah, yeah, I don't feel like this is exactly grunge because, 258 00:14:26.559 --> 00:14:30.639 like you you have like the the one like kind 259 00:14:30.639 --> 00:14:34.720 of douchey kid who who kind of has like the 260 00:14:34.879 --> 00:14:38.720 skater you know, he has like the baggy dickies on 261 00:14:39.399 --> 00:14:43.519 and like the the you know kind of the guy 262 00:14:43.679 --> 00:14:48.600 from from smash Mouth kind of haircut and everything. So 263 00:14:49.240 --> 00:14:51.519 you know, you have that kind of thing. And the 264 00:14:51.559 --> 00:14:58.360 girls themselves are kind of they're they're grunge segueing into goth, 265 00:14:58.559 --> 00:15:03.120 segueing into emo. You know, like there's there's a lot 266 00:15:03.240 --> 00:15:06.759 going on there, you know, like it's it's there's there's 267 00:15:06.799 --> 00:15:09.200 a you know, if you look at this movie as 268 00:15:09.240 --> 00:15:14.720 a time capsule of like of fashion from that time period, 269 00:15:14.840 --> 00:15:17.480 this is this movie really is a treasure trove of 270 00:15:18.600 --> 00:15:22.159 different different looks that young people were sporting. 271 00:15:21.879 --> 00:15:24.679 Right for young teenagers particularly, Yes. 272 00:15:26.279 --> 00:15:30.519 It's two it's two thousand movies. It's right at the transition. 273 00:15:30.559 --> 00:15:32.720 And we've we've talked about this a lot where you know, 274 00:15:32.720 --> 00:15:34.960 we have eighties movies, but there's a bunch of the 275 00:15:35.200 --> 00:15:39.960 like eighty I would say, eighty to eighty three, eighty four. 276 00:15:40.600 --> 00:15:43.480 It's there's still a lot of seventies left. Oh yeah, 277 00:15:43.600 --> 00:15:44.720 as you transition out. 278 00:15:44.720 --> 00:15:46.639 Because you don't throw away all your clothes and you 279 00:15:46.679 --> 00:15:48.799 don't throw away your way of dressing, you know, your 280 00:15:48.840 --> 00:15:50.039 your life can do the. 281 00:15:50.039 --> 00:15:54.039 Flavor the flavor of like how you film things and 282 00:15:54.120 --> 00:15:57.639 everything that changes the you know, how people think, how 283 00:15:57.679 --> 00:16:01.399 people envision the world is a little you know, it's 284 00:16:01.559 --> 00:16:05.320 it's not always super fast. So this is definitely a 285 00:16:05.399 --> 00:16:08.279 transition out of the nineties and that same kind of way, 286 00:16:08.440 --> 00:16:11.279 the flavor of it, and that's not you know, it's 287 00:16:11.320 --> 00:16:12.720 definitely out of right. 288 00:16:12.879 --> 00:16:17.679 And it is October, just to clarify, it is October 289 00:16:17.679 --> 00:16:21.360 of ninety nine. So so yeah, you're exactly right over 290 00:16:21.360 --> 00:16:23.960 where it is. And Friday the thirteenth was the same way. 291 00:16:24.000 --> 00:16:25.919 It was, like it comes out whatever it is right 292 00:16:25.960 --> 00:16:28.240 at the beginning of the eighties, and everybody is dressed 293 00:16:28.440 --> 00:16:31.000 very very seventies right in that movie, and. 294 00:16:31.039 --> 00:16:35.000 So the flavor of it is moving moving forward. But still, 295 00:16:35.159 --> 00:16:37.200 you know, we see a lot of those I mean 296 00:16:37.320 --> 00:16:39.440 that's just you know, teen fashion and just how you 297 00:16:39.519 --> 00:16:42.720 film things. Everything like that just coming out. You know, 298 00:16:42.720 --> 00:16:45.399 it won't be until a couple of years later we'll see, 299 00:16:45.519 --> 00:16:48.279 you know, we'll get into what is the two thousands film? 300 00:16:48.440 --> 00:16:52.120 You know, yeah, yeah, the post millennium film, And that's 301 00:16:52.159 --> 00:16:53.480 just how that works. 302 00:16:54.120 --> 00:16:57.000 That sounds like a fun question, Tony, like as to 303 00:16:57.159 --> 00:17:00.000 as to you know, what exactly makes a post post 304 00:17:00.120 --> 00:17:02.200 monium filming, I think we. 305 00:17:02.159 --> 00:17:05.279 Would start to see, in my opinion, what you would 306 00:17:05.279 --> 00:17:07.319 start to see is a transition into kind of a 307 00:17:07.359 --> 00:17:08.720 CW miss of things. 308 00:17:09.519 --> 00:17:14.200 But well, I mean the thing is, when I think 309 00:17:14.200 --> 00:17:17.480 it's a CW, I think of Buffy, right, and Drew, 310 00:17:17.519 --> 00:17:19.559 you were saying that you kind of feel like you 311 00:17:19.640 --> 00:17:21.680 see bits of Buffy DNA. 312 00:17:22.200 --> 00:17:27.319 Totally, and I think that if you were very into Buffy, 313 00:17:27.440 --> 00:17:32.559 this this probably it's it's not wouldn't be surprising to 314 00:17:32.599 --> 00:17:36.119 find out that you were into this as well, because 315 00:17:36.319 --> 00:17:42.200 it's it's it's similarly similarly taking horror tropes and and 316 00:17:43.039 --> 00:17:47.599 you know, transplanting them into you know, a high school setting. 317 00:17:47.880 --> 00:17:53.559 I mean obviously this, you know, Buffy's more about empowering 318 00:17:53.839 --> 00:17:57.880 you know, a particular teenager, and in this, I think 319 00:17:57.920 --> 00:18:03.319 it's a little bit more degradation and you know, mutilation 320 00:18:03.640 --> 00:18:06.200 and you know that kind of thing. But you know, 321 00:18:06.240 --> 00:18:10.039 they both speak to the teenage experience in different in 322 00:18:10.119 --> 00:18:11.039 different ways. 323 00:18:11.160 --> 00:18:13.400 I feel I want to I want to go sorry, 324 00:18:13.559 --> 00:18:15.200 I just thinking about it now. 325 00:18:15.240 --> 00:18:17.880 I think you're right, Jason. So in two thousand and 326 00:18:17.920 --> 00:18:21.440 two we have Resident Evil, in two thousand and three 327 00:18:21.480 --> 00:18:25.319 we have Underworld, and so I think those might be 328 00:18:25.839 --> 00:18:30.039 how we're heading out. Then those don't feel nineties. If 329 00:18:30.039 --> 00:18:30.759 that makes a meimy. 330 00:18:30.640 --> 00:18:32.720 Say, no, you're right. There's a there's a shift into 331 00:18:32.839 --> 00:18:36.319 a world of horror, action, away and stuff kind of 332 00:18:36.359 --> 00:18:37.400 whatever this is, and. 333 00:18:37.640 --> 00:18:40.599 There's other you know, there's suspenseful stuff too, like you know, 334 00:18:40.799 --> 00:18:43.599 we get like, think what else was in two thousand, 335 00:18:44.240 --> 00:18:46.640 two thousand and two? Twenty eight days Later, for example, 336 00:18:46.680 --> 00:18:49.119 comes out in two thousand and two, same same time 337 00:18:49.160 --> 00:18:52.000 period as the other two movies, and that moves to 338 00:18:52.240 --> 00:18:54.440 the Mist in two thousand and seven, and The Ring 339 00:18:54.519 --> 00:18:56.480 comes out in two thousand and two. So I think 340 00:18:56.480 --> 00:18:59.119 that's kind of where we're moving towards. Like creepier, some 341 00:18:59.200 --> 00:19:03.240 creepier and some but the flavors of those movies feel 342 00:19:03.480 --> 00:19:04.799 out of the nineties, if. 343 00:19:04.759 --> 00:19:07.319 That makes well, they're more The other thing is that. 344 00:19:08.319 --> 00:19:10.240 A little bit more slick, perhaps well. 345 00:19:10.559 --> 00:19:16.039 More slick, but more more video game, more action, more adult, 346 00:19:16.440 --> 00:19:18.759 not adult in a in a sexual way, but adult. 347 00:19:19.160 --> 00:19:21.640 Like the characters that tend to be adults, they tend 348 00:19:21.640 --> 00:19:25.519 to be in professional jobs. They're professional mercenaries and crap 349 00:19:25.599 --> 00:19:29.200 like that. As opposed to there's this moment in the 350 00:19:29.240 --> 00:19:33.319 Buffy in the Buffy period when people are really kind 351 00:19:33.359 --> 00:19:38.079 of locating their passions in amongst teenagers. 352 00:19:38.440 --> 00:19:41.559 You know, this is the not I think that even started, 353 00:19:42.200 --> 00:19:45.640 you know, in the horror genre, you know, you know also, 354 00:19:45.880 --> 00:19:48.359 I mean aside from Buffy, that's also the influence of 355 00:19:49.279 --> 00:19:52.319 screen you know, like which was very much taking place 356 00:19:52.359 --> 00:19:54.440 in a world of teenagers. 357 00:19:54.680 --> 00:19:56.880 So yeah, if you want to bridget there, Jason, I 358 00:19:56.920 --> 00:19:59.920 would say that May, which also comes out in You're 359 00:20:00.000 --> 00:20:00.759 two thousand. 360 00:20:01.160 --> 00:20:02.480 Yeah, we saw, we saw May. 361 00:20:02.559 --> 00:20:05.680 I can't remember where I think, but Amazon probably. 362 00:20:05.559 --> 00:20:06.799 I think it's probably about Nonapi. 363 00:20:07.279 --> 00:20:10.640 But May is to me kind of the transition from 364 00:20:10.799 --> 00:20:13.279 Ginger Snaps to that because it's two thousand and two, 365 00:20:13.319 --> 00:20:16.200 but it's to me, it's that it's yet another transitional movie. 366 00:20:17.079 --> 00:20:18.759 And said, that's kind of I mean, of course this 367 00:20:18.839 --> 00:20:21.799 is this is a generalization. There's a lot to discuss, right, 368 00:20:21.880 --> 00:20:24.519 Like I said, we could do a whole other podcast. Yeah, 369 00:20:24.519 --> 00:20:26.720 I was looking, Wow, the others was two thousand and one. 370 00:20:26.839 --> 00:20:29.960 That's I want to mention. So anyway, we're in this 371 00:20:30.000 --> 00:20:32.759 period when when high schoolers ruled a school basically as 372 00:20:32.759 --> 00:20:36.440 far as R goes, and I love these two girls 373 00:20:37.160 --> 00:20:42.799 so you have Bridget who is the younger sister, and Catherine, 374 00:20:42.839 --> 00:20:45.440 who is the older sister. Julia referred to him as 375 00:20:45.480 --> 00:20:49.000 Irish twins because they ar so this is. 376 00:20:49.000 --> 00:20:51.079 Yeah, this is the first I want to kind of 377 00:20:52.079 --> 00:20:57.119 jump off of. At this point that the family structure 378 00:20:57.279 --> 00:21:00.640 to me was confusing. The whole time, I was like, 379 00:21:00.880 --> 00:21:04.799 are these actually biological sisters? Because she says she just 380 00:21:04.839 --> 00:21:06.720 turned fifteen, I'm about turn sixteen. I'm like, okay, they 381 00:21:06.759 --> 00:21:10.839 could be Irish twins. But then at one point she said, 382 00:21:11.160 --> 00:21:13.759 the one of the girls refers to the mom as 383 00:21:13.839 --> 00:21:16.279 Pamela or pam or whatever, so like is that it's 384 00:21:16.319 --> 00:21:19.519 their stepmother. And then when the mom's trying to tell 385 00:21:19.559 --> 00:21:22.720 them what to do, like the sister's going, daddy, can 386 00:21:22.759 --> 00:21:25.359 I blah blah blah, like as if she almost I 387 00:21:25.400 --> 00:21:27.599 was hearing almost that you're not my mom, kind of 388 00:21:28.079 --> 00:21:30.400 vibe with I'm asking my father, because. 389 00:21:30.119 --> 00:21:33.400 I just take that as she's being disrespectful to her mother. 390 00:21:35.359 --> 00:21:36.640 There was a lot of times when I was like, 391 00:21:36.640 --> 00:21:39.839 I don't understand these people's relationship. I don't. I was 392 00:21:39.880 --> 00:21:43.119 fully expecting at some point to learn that she was 393 00:21:43.160 --> 00:21:46.079 the stepmother and that the dad and maybe that the 394 00:21:46.160 --> 00:21:48.839 dad was even a werewolf, because the relationship with the 395 00:21:48.920 --> 00:21:51.240 dad was so weird and he wasn't really a fully 396 00:21:51.279 --> 00:21:54.200 developed character in their lives, which is very unusual for girls, 397 00:21:54.200 --> 00:21:56.440 like girls usually have a pretty tighty relationship with their dad. 398 00:21:56.599 --> 00:21:59.880 So there was so much there around that. So but 399 00:22:00.519 --> 00:22:03.440 uh so that that at that point I already was like, 400 00:22:03.759 --> 00:22:06.680 what's happened? What is the relationship? And then why did 401 00:22:06.720 --> 00:22:08.200