WEBVTT 1 00:00:06.639 --> 00:00:10.839 Murders and human remains are discovered in many ways, bodies 2 00:00:10.919 --> 00:00:14.359 being found in forested areas and graves being dug up 3 00:00:14.519 --> 00:00:19.079 in urban backyards. But sometimes these gruesome discoveries can come 4 00:00:19.120 --> 00:00:24.280 in very unexpected ways, like in today's case when someone 5 00:00:24.399 --> 00:00:28.760 was living with mummified remains that answered a fifteen year 6 00:00:29.280 --> 00:00:30.679 missing person's case. 7 00:00:32.880 --> 00:00:40.320 Warning the following podcasts and material intended for a mature audience, 8 00:00:41.119 --> 00:00:43.439 listener discretion is advised. 9 00:01:02.479 --> 00:01:04.760 Hey, how's it going. My name's Ben. 10 00:01:04.640 --> 00:01:08.840 And I'm Nicole, and you're listening to Wicket and Grim. 11 00:01:08.519 --> 00:01:12.599 A true crime podcast. And I have like a tickle 12 00:01:12.640 --> 00:01:14.799 in my throat today, So I'm sorry if I'm coughing lots. 13 00:01:15.040 --> 00:01:15.840 Do have water? 14 00:01:16.239 --> 00:01:18.560 Yeah, you're not getting sick, are you? 15 00:01:18.560 --> 00:01:20.400 No? I don't think so. It's just like I can't 16 00:01:20.680 --> 00:01:23.879 like there's an itch, a tickle, yeah, and I can't 17 00:01:23.959 --> 00:01:25.159 get it, you know what I mean. 18 00:01:25.239 --> 00:01:26.560 I have that a little bit right now too. It 19 00:01:26.599 --> 00:01:28.159 is probably just from our dinner because it's a bit 20 00:01:28.200 --> 00:01:32.159 smoky in here. Maybe I think maybe it's possible it's 21 00:01:32.159 --> 00:01:34.280 really smoky sometimes in this tiny home. 22 00:01:34.400 --> 00:01:38.040 That's true. There's not a lot of well not a 23 00:01:38.079 --> 00:01:41.159 whole lot of space. For air to flow, you know exactly, 24 00:01:41.200 --> 00:01:42.799 but also if you open a window, it clears out 25 00:01:42.840 --> 00:01:46.480 real quick, it does. Hopefully you guys are doing good. 26 00:01:46.879 --> 00:01:48.480 We get a couple of topics you want to touch 27 00:01:48.480 --> 00:01:50.719 on here right out of the gate. Well one primarily 28 00:01:51.959 --> 00:01:53.480 if I can get this tickle out of my throat. 29 00:01:53.640 --> 00:01:58.079 Oh no, But we are talking about Casey Anthony. If 30 00:01:58.079 --> 00:02:00.840 you haven't heard, there's a new docum entry coming out 31 00:02:00.879 --> 00:02:01.280 about her. 32 00:02:01.480 --> 00:02:05.159 Yeah, I'm very I don't want to say excited, but 33 00:02:06.120 --> 00:02:09.319 what's a word intrigued? Intrigued? Interested? 34 00:02:09.479 --> 00:02:12.759 Okay, watching this, Well, we want to give you guys 35 00:02:12.800 --> 00:02:15.360 a bit of heads up because if you're not aware, 36 00:02:16.400 --> 00:02:19.360 as far as we can tell, this documentary does not 37 00:02:19.520 --> 00:02:22.639 follow the whole Son of Sam law, which means Casey 38 00:02:22.719 --> 00:02:26.280 has the potential to be earning money and revenue from 39 00:02:26.280 --> 00:02:30.400 this documentary, which I don't love. No, and she was 40 00:02:30.520 --> 00:02:33.080 in a court of law found guilty for her crimes, 41 00:02:33.120 --> 00:02:34.719 which we did a whole episode on. 42 00:02:35.080 --> 00:02:37.479 Yeah, you're gonna we're going to go and listen to 43 00:02:37.520 --> 00:02:38.080 that episode. 44 00:02:38.199 --> 00:02:41.000 Yeah, we're going to refresh ourselves on these details. And 45 00:02:41.000 --> 00:02:42.919 we want to ask you guys. I mean, you're completely 46 00:02:42.960 --> 00:02:44.879 allowed to do whatever you want. Don't get us wrong here, 47 00:02:45.280 --> 00:02:48.879 but we want to say we suggest you refrain from 48 00:02:48.919 --> 00:02:52.360 listening or watching this documentary it's coming out on casey 49 00:02:52.919 --> 00:02:55.680 because what we're planning on doing is because that she 50 00:02:55.800 --> 00:02:59.680 might be gaining monetary value from this and she's apparently 51 00:02:59.719 --> 00:03:02.560 speaks her truth whatever that means. Don't get me wrong. 52 00:03:02.599 --> 00:03:06.319 Everyone deserves their truth. Yeah, however, she found guilty in 53 00:03:06.319 --> 00:03:07.120 a court of long you. 54 00:03:07.039 --> 00:03:08.280 Think that it would have already come out. 55 00:03:08.400 --> 00:03:10.919 Yeah, So whatever she has to say, we're gonna go 56 00:03:10.960 --> 00:03:13.400 ahead and we're gonna watch it, and we're gonna deliver you, guys, 57 00:03:13.479 --> 00:03:17.000 whether it's a worthwhile watch, whether it's worth ensuring that 58 00:03:17.039 --> 00:03:21.000 she does gain monetary value from this documentary, because if 59 00:03:21.039 --> 00:03:24.919 she's just spewing absolute bullshit saying she was the victim 60 00:03:24.960 --> 00:03:29.240 when she murdered her family, I don't think she should 61 00:03:29.240 --> 00:03:31.120 be gaining from that, you know what I mean. Yeah, 62 00:03:31.240 --> 00:03:35.000 So we're gonna go ahead and watch it. We'll tell 63 00:03:35.080 --> 00:03:37.800 you if she is spewing bullshit or if she has 64 00:03:37.879 --> 00:03:39.840 something worthwhile to actually say. 65 00:03:40.240 --> 00:03:43.840 I mean, gosh, if they're putting out a whole show 66 00:03:43.960 --> 00:03:46.879 episode series, I don't know on this. You think that 67 00:03:46.919 --> 00:03:50.240 she's going to be dropping a bomb, you would think so. 68 00:03:50.439 --> 00:03:52.800 But then also, she had her time to be dropping 69 00:03:52.840 --> 00:03:53.439 these bombs. 70 00:03:53.800 --> 00:03:55.879 Exactly. If she dropped a bomb, you'd think it would 71 00:03:55.879 --> 00:03:58.960 have occurred in the courtroom. There's two scenarios that I 72 00:03:59.000 --> 00:04:03.080 can think of. She's a dropping something that was thrown 73 00:04:03.120 --> 00:04:06.240 out in court and that's why she's disputing it, being like, 74 00:04:06.479 --> 00:04:09.319 you know, this is a very big piece of this 75 00:04:09.400 --> 00:04:13.280 puzzle that they're not listening to. Or two, it's absolute bullshit. 76 00:04:14.639 --> 00:04:18.160 So yeah, it's one or the other, no in between. 77 00:04:18.319 --> 00:04:20.319 And I do think that it's It could very well 78 00:04:20.360 --> 00:04:24.279 be that, like true crime has become a very big genre. 79 00:04:24.120 --> 00:04:25.839 Last couple of years, Yeah, totally. 80 00:04:25.959 --> 00:04:27.720 So, I do think it could just be that a 81 00:04:27.759 --> 00:04:30.680 production studio or a company is just trying to cash 82 00:04:30.680 --> 00:04:33.639 in on offered. Yeah, say here, let's do this. We're 83 00:04:33.639 --> 00:04:35.879 going to make big bucks together. So I think it 84 00:04:35.879 --> 00:04:38.439 could be potentially a corrupt studio behind her. I don't know. 85 00:04:38.480 --> 00:04:40.279 I don't even know the studio that make that's making it, 86 00:04:40.319 --> 00:04:41.199 so I can't say that. 87 00:04:41.120 --> 00:04:42.720 Well, yeah, there's probably a lot of money to be 88 00:04:42.759 --> 00:04:44.399 had from this, exactly. 89 00:04:44.720 --> 00:04:47.160 Yeah, So I have a feeling that could very well 90 00:04:47.199 --> 00:04:48.800 be the fact when. 91 00:04:48.639 --> 00:04:50.439 I really don't love the fact that she could be 92 00:04:50.480 --> 00:04:55.360 making money from this, Like that feels just dirty, doesn't it. Yeah, 93 00:04:55.399 --> 00:04:55.600 And I. 94 00:04:55.600 --> 00:04:58.519 Think that's why we should watch it, because we can 95 00:04:58.560 --> 00:05:01.879 tell you, guys, like we have a bit of reach, right, Yeah, 96 00:05:02.000 --> 00:05:04.959 So if you guys don't watch it, we can watch it, 97 00:05:05.000 --> 00:05:07.720 and it's like sense pennies going to her from just 98 00:05:07.879 --> 00:05:10.639 us watching it and we can tell you definitely don't 99 00:05:10.639 --> 00:05:12.720 watch it, and then we're preventing her from gaining more. 100 00:05:12.560 --> 00:05:14.560 Money, and we will be honest for sure. 101 00:05:14.839 --> 00:05:18.680 Oh definitely sure. So just I mean, of course, do 102 00:05:18.759 --> 00:05:20.720 whatever you want if you want to watch it, watch it, 103 00:05:20.959 --> 00:05:24.639 but we're just suggesting listen to what we're we're gonna 104 00:05:24.639 --> 00:05:27.120 say about it from watching it first, and then you 105 00:05:27.120 --> 00:05:32.319 can make your judgment call from there, if that's fair. Yeah, okay, yeah, 106 00:05:32.360 --> 00:05:34.839 that aside, if that, If that all makes sense? Anyways, 107 00:05:34.920 --> 00:05:39.560 are our intent for that? You ready to move on 108 00:05:39.560 --> 00:05:40.079 to patrons? 109 00:05:40.120 --> 00:05:41.120 I'm totally ready. 110 00:05:41.240 --> 00:05:44.600 Okay, So we have a few patrons join us this week. 111 00:05:45.000 --> 00:05:46.519 Do I have a hair in my mouth? 112 00:05:48.519 --> 00:05:50.759 Wow? Dog, hare you have a lot going on over 113 00:05:50.800 --> 00:05:54.240 there today, I do. Really? Are you going to be good? 114 00:05:54.560 --> 00:05:57.600 I think so? If I. If I don't make it, 115 00:05:57.639 --> 00:06:01.360 please just carry on without me, Okay, just take the 116 00:06:01.439 --> 00:06:03.000 laptop and the notes and keep going with. 117 00:06:03.040 --> 00:06:05.560 The case and I'll just read us through perfect. 118 00:06:06.720 --> 00:06:10.680 So as for patrons, we have Christina o Janima who's 119 00:06:10.720 --> 00:06:14.879 joined up, Amy Evanka, and Nicole White. They all joined 120 00:06:14.920 --> 00:06:17.720 us Patreon, so thank you to them, big shout out. 121 00:06:18.040 --> 00:06:19.759 And if you want to join us as well, links 122 00:06:19.759 --> 00:06:21.360 down below, you know what to do. But if not, 123 00:06:21.720 --> 00:06:23.519 it's cool that you're here too. We appreciate that. 124 00:06:23.600 --> 00:06:26.000 We appreciate it. Just all all of it, all the. 125 00:06:25.959 --> 00:06:29.439 Above, all the above. Yeah, exactly what Nicole says. Always 126 00:06:29.480 --> 00:06:30.800 listen to Nicole. She's always right. 127 00:06:30.959 --> 00:06:33.480 I am always right. You learned that, didn't you. 128 00:06:34.000 --> 00:06:36.480 I learned to tell you you're always right. 129 00:06:36.360 --> 00:06:38.839 Because, to be honest, I'm like, no, it's probably a year, 130 00:06:38.879 --> 00:06:41.439 probably more right than me. I shouldn't be saying that. 131 00:06:41.560 --> 00:06:44.720 Oh God, I'll take that back eventually, but you're bad. 132 00:06:45.079 --> 00:06:48.199 Was recorded I know out there forever now. 133 00:06:47.959 --> 00:06:52.040 You're probably more right more often than me. Probably I 134 00:06:52.120 --> 00:06:54.319 need to I need to listen to you more. 135 00:06:54.600 --> 00:06:58.160 Wow. Wow, I am so glad that this thing is 136 00:06:58.199 --> 00:06:59.199 recording right now. 137 00:06:59.759 --> 00:07:02.120 We'll edit this out I'm just kidding. 138 00:07:02.199 --> 00:07:04.639 Nope, I'm the one who edits and I'm leaving that 139 00:07:04.639 --> 00:07:07.639 in there. I can tell you that right now. Anyways, 140 00:07:07.639 --> 00:07:09.839 moving on, let's get on with today's story, shall we. 141 00:07:10.279 --> 00:07:13.839 Yeah, I'm very interested for this one because you gave 142 00:07:13.879 --> 00:07:16.560 me a tidbit. Usually I'm in the dark. I'm fully 143 00:07:16.759 --> 00:07:18.439 usually in the dark, but this time you gave me 144 00:07:18.839 --> 00:07:22.000 freaking one liner on this and it got my attention. 145 00:07:22.759 --> 00:07:25.360 It's it's a gooder. It's a little bit different of 146 00:07:25.439 --> 00:07:28.399 a story. And that one little tidbit of information I'm 147 00:07:28.439 --> 00:07:29.639 not going to tell you guys out there right now 148 00:07:29.680 --> 00:07:31.839 because you're about to hear the story. Yeah, but as 149 00:07:31.879 --> 00:07:34.199 soon as I say that tidbit of information will let 150 00:07:34.279 --> 00:07:36.399 you know that's what I had told Nicoled all the time. 151 00:07:36.439 --> 00:07:37.800 We'll chat about it for sure. 152 00:07:38.399 --> 00:07:41.600 Well, let's do this. Our story starts with a man 153 00:07:41.680 --> 00:07:46.279 named Bruce Andrew Roberts. Now. Bruce was born in September 154 00:07:46.279 --> 00:07:50.000 of nineteen fifty six to Athel and Joyce Roberts in 155 00:07:50.040 --> 00:07:53.120 a small town called This is a hard one to say. 156 00:07:53.160 --> 00:07:56.639 Bear with me, Kuna bar a bar in. I think 157 00:07:56.639 --> 00:07:57.199 I said that right. 158 00:07:57.319 --> 00:07:58.759 That actually sounded pretty legit. 159 00:07:59.079 --> 00:08:03.600 Kuna bar Ra Barren. Yeah that's all right, Wow, good work. 160 00:08:04.680 --> 00:08:08.399 It's in Australia, Okay, Yeah, so Kunabar Barren in Australia. 161 00:08:08.519 --> 00:08:11.079 When I was researching us and I was reading it 162 00:08:11.079 --> 00:08:13.720 for the first time, it was like, because Australia was 163 00:08:13.720 --> 00:08:16.720 thinking like the beach boys kind of thing, right, and 164 00:08:16.759 --> 00:08:22.600 I was like, Kunabar bar b bar Bar. So that's 165 00:08:22.639 --> 00:08:24.560 kind of where my mind was going. Every time I 166 00:08:24.600 --> 00:08:26.920 was reading that, I'm like, it's not Barbara and it's 167 00:08:26.959 --> 00:08:27.800 Kunabara Barn. 168 00:08:28.120 --> 00:08:30.480 So there we go. Every time you're come across that name, 169 00:08:30.480 --> 00:08:31.600 you're like in full song. 170 00:08:35.000 --> 00:08:38.639 So yeah, born in small town in nineteen fifty six, 171 00:08:39.000 --> 00:08:40.919 in Kunabara Barn in Australia. 172 00:08:41.000 --> 00:08:42.799 Now you're just gonna like love saying that. 173 00:08:42.799 --> 00:08:45.919 That is a fun word to say. Yeah. So Bruce 174 00:08:46.000 --> 00:08:48.399 was a happy little boy who had curly hair, and 175 00:08:48.480 --> 00:08:51.919 like many little boys, Bruce developed a passion for the 176 00:08:51.919 --> 00:08:54.799 the cool things they saw in the grown up world. Okay, 177 00:08:55.000 --> 00:08:57.759 in Bruce's case, it was motorbikes and guns. 178 00:08:57.960 --> 00:09:00.840 Wow. Yeah, they're not cheap, cheap. 179 00:09:00.679 --> 00:09:05.320 Things, definitely not. However, Bruce was lucky enough to have 180 00:09:05.639 --> 00:09:09.720 a fairly wealthy family with money on their side. Okay, 181 00:09:09.440 --> 00:09:13.039 so cheap things was not necessarily not that they were 182 00:09:13.360 --> 00:09:15.600 frivolous with their money by any means, but it was like, 183 00:09:15.759 --> 00:09:17.480 you know what, they had the money to spend, you 184 00:09:17.519 --> 00:09:20.120 know what I mean. Yep, And this money gave Bruce 185 00:09:20.159 --> 00:09:23.759 a rather nice childhood. For example, I mean, his parents 186 00:09:23.840 --> 00:09:26.519 didn't buy buying motorbikes and guns all the time, but 187 00:09:26.600 --> 00:09:29.440 they would regularly go on holidays. So Bruce would go 188 00:09:29.519 --> 00:09:33.000 with his dad to central western New South Wales, for example, 189 00:09:33.039 --> 00:09:33.559 quite often. 190 00:09:33.720 --> 00:09:36.320 Okay, that's pretty lucky, it is. 191 00:09:36.759 --> 00:09:39.519 And I know, like I didn't go on a bunch 192 00:09:39.559 --> 00:09:43.159 of extravagant holidays when I was young, and I was 193 00:09:43.159 --> 00:09:46.919 always like to be fair, like, I didn't have a 194 00:09:47.080 --> 00:09:49.320 terrible childhood. I had a pretty good childhood. I got 195 00:09:49.360 --> 00:09:51.000 to go on some trips and stuff. It was just 196 00:09:51.519 --> 00:09:53.039 I was always jealous when people were going to like 197 00:09:53.080 --> 00:09:55.360 Disneyland and stuff, and I never got to go to Disneyland. 198 00:09:55.440 --> 00:09:55.600 Yeah. 199 00:09:55.600 --> 00:09:57.919 You know, well we went to Disney World the first 200 00:09:57.960 --> 00:10:01.600 time together, both of us, right couple years ago. Because 201 00:10:01.720 --> 00:10:05.399 up here, people's families ideas, I feel like in are 202 00:10:05.759 --> 00:10:08.360 to go camping or fishing or whatever. Right, Yeah, so 203 00:10:08.399 --> 00:10:11.279 that was how we kind of vacate both of our 204 00:10:11.320 --> 00:10:13.000 families as we were kids. 205 00:10:13.679 --> 00:10:16.240 And other people in other situations, like the big city, 206 00:10:16.279 --> 00:10:18.799 they go out camping on their big holidays too, right, 207 00:10:19.159 --> 00:10:21.399 and it's a big to do when they get to 208 00:10:21.399 --> 00:10:23.600 do it, But it's for us. It's like, oh, we 209 00:10:23.759 --> 00:10:26.039 just drove half an hour to a lake, and yeah, 210 00:10:26.080 --> 00:10:28.639 why am I not sitting at home playing my Nintendo instead? 211 00:10:29.279 --> 00:10:31.919 But it's just the lifestyle, Like it's that was kind 212 00:10:31.919 --> 00:10:35.840 of our holidays too around here, Like yeah, rivers lakes, fishing, camping, 213 00:10:35.960 --> 00:10:36.480 the whole thing. 214 00:10:36.559 --> 00:10:39.200 I feel like that created pretty good childhood memories though, 215 00:10:39.240 --> 00:10:40.519 if I'm being honest. 216 00:10:40.399 --> 00:10:42.720 It did. Don't get me wrong, I'm not complaining. Yeah, 217 00:10:42.759 --> 00:10:44.440 just as a kid, I was like, I want to 218 00:10:44.480 --> 00:10:45.759 go to Disneyland and stuff. 219 00:10:45.840 --> 00:10:46.919 I want to go see Mickey. 220 00:10:47.120 --> 00:10:49.679 Yeah. And so Bruce's life was more so on that 221 00:10:49.840 --> 00:10:51.919 end of getting to travel like that all the time. 222 00:10:52.039 --> 00:10:55.320 So now that wealth your lifestyle didn't mean that he 223 00:10:55.480 --> 00:10:59.600 was extraordinarily spoilt, though he was still expected to do 224 00:10:59.639 --> 00:11:02.440 well in school, for example, and he eventually graduated from 225 00:11:02.440 --> 00:11:07.200 the Kunibar Barren High School in nineteen seventy two. I 226 00:11:07.320 --> 00:11:10.200 love that that town name Kunabara Barn. Try and say it. 227 00:11:10.960 --> 00:11:15.440 Oh my gosh, what is it? Kunabara Barron, Kuna Barn Barron. Oh, 228 00:11:15.480 --> 00:11:16.080 I think I already. 229 00:11:16.519 --> 00:11:18.039 I think he had won too many ends in there. 230 00:11:18.039 --> 00:11:20.080 Maybe it's hard, like that would be a hard one. 231 00:11:20.159 --> 00:11:22.200 I would probably not choose this case because I really 232 00:11:22.559 --> 00:11:23.000 it just. 233 00:11:22.960 --> 00:11:29.919 Because of that city. But anyways, we digress. Bruce His expectations, however, 234 00:11:30.000 --> 00:11:32.200 didn't end up carrying through much of his life after 235 00:11:32.360 --> 00:11:35.600 high school. In fact, he would just continue to kind 236 00:11:35.600 --> 00:11:37.960 of live at home afterwards and not really too much 237 00:11:39.159 --> 00:11:42.120 too good to leave pretty much by the sum of it, 238 00:11:42.120 --> 00:11:44.679 it seems like, so you know, kind of just like 239 00:11:44.799 --> 00:11:47.799 it's too cushy at home, why would I leave exactly? 240 00:11:48.120 --> 00:11:49.759 And it seems like his parents just kind of fed 241 00:11:49.799 --> 00:11:53.639 into it as well, so that didn't make it much better. Okay, Now, 242 00:11:53.639 --> 00:11:56.639 there aren't a lot of details regarding Bruce's life during 243 00:11:56.679 --> 00:12:00.919 this time, and that's presumably because well, he didn't exactly 244 00:12:00.960 --> 00:12:03.759 do a whole lot. He just kind of simply lived 245 00:12:03.759 --> 00:12:06.919 at home and was supported by his family's wealth. However, 246 00:12:07.120 --> 00:12:10.279 it is reported that he would develop a bad relationship 247 00:12:10.320 --> 00:12:13.759 with his half sister Denise, and he also began developing 248 00:12:13.799 --> 00:12:18.159 mental health issues, and some extended family would actually describe 249 00:12:18.240 --> 00:12:21.399 him as quote being a bit strange, a loner, and 250 00:12:21.519 --> 00:12:22.519 socially awkward. 251 00:12:22.799 --> 00:12:25.360 Well that's really too bad, it is, because the way 252 00:12:25.399 --> 00:12:27.480 you kind of described him as a child, it didn't 253 00:12:27.519 --> 00:12:31.720 seem necessarily like he was odd or how his family 254 00:12:31.720 --> 00:12:32.320 described him. 255 00:12:32.360 --> 00:12:34.360 Right, Yeah, as far as I can tell, he was 256 00:12:34.519 --> 00:12:38.440 just your average happy little boy. Yeah, until yeah, a 257 00:12:38.440 --> 00:12:42.960 little bit later on. So yeah, what sparked that initially? 258 00:12:43.000 --> 00:12:45.639 I don't know. Maybe he was just kind of always 259 00:12:45.679 --> 00:12:47.519 like that and it started showing more as he grew, 260 00:12:48.440 --> 00:12:50.159 or if there was a certain event. I did read 261 00:12:50.159 --> 00:12:53.480 some articles saying that it was whatever the situation was, 262 00:12:53.519 --> 00:12:57.200 but the bad relationship they built between his half sister 263 00:12:57.240 --> 00:13:00.919 and himself, some articles I read said that that sparked 264 00:13:01.039 --> 00:13:05.679 these sort of behaviors and mental health issues. So I 265 00:13:05.720 --> 00:13:06.840 don't know if that's true or not. 266 00:13:07.399 --> 00:13:10.960 But and was she upset with him because he was 267 00:13:11.000 --> 00:13:12.159 living at home and such? 268 00:13:13.039 --> 00:13:15.639 I couldn't find any information on that. It was just 269 00:13:16.080 --> 00:13:18.879 articles saying that they had a bad relationship, and that's 270 00:13:18.919 --> 00:13:19.759 pretty much all. 271 00:13:19.600 --> 00:13:20.200 You cans that. 272 00:13:20.519 --> 00:13:23.600 Yeah, So one way or another, they had a bad relationship. 273 00:13:24.000 --> 00:13:29.279 And yeah. Now, eventually, though later in life, Bruce's parents 274 00:13:29.320 --> 00:13:31.919 would get separated and Bruce would move in with his 275 00:13:32.039 --> 00:13:37.000 mother and his half sister into Greenwich in Sydney, and 276 00:13:37.039 --> 00:13:40.120 there they moved into a house and together they lived 277 00:13:40.159 --> 00:13:44.279 for years to come. Then one day, as it must 278 00:13:44.440 --> 00:13:48.799 happen to us all, Bruce's mother, Joyce, unfortunately passed away 279 00:13:48.960 --> 00:13:52.519 in March of nineteen eighty nine, when Bruce was thirty 280 00:13:52.559 --> 00:13:53.320 three years old. 281 00:13:54.360 --> 00:13:57.399 Yeah, that's still too young to lose your mama. 282 00:13:56.919 --> 00:13:59.960 It definitely is. I mean it's it wouldn't be easy, 283 00:14:00.039 --> 00:14:00.559 that's for sure. 284 00:14:00.720 --> 00:14:04.480 No, and especially too because it seems like he relied 285 00:14:04.559 --> 00:14:07.159 on her, maybe more so than a thirty three year 286 00:14:07.159 --> 00:14:07.840 old would. 287 00:14:08.519 --> 00:14:10.679 That's for sure. And that's a really good point. Actually 288 00:14:10.759 --> 00:14:15.519 he did rely on her for well a lot. Yeah. Yeah, 289 00:14:15.639 --> 00:14:18.000 up until his point, Bruce never really seemed to be independent. 290 00:14:18.159 --> 00:14:19.639 So you kind of hit the nail on the head there. 291 00:14:20.440 --> 00:14:22.200 He had his parents who provide for him all through 292 00:14:22.200 --> 00:14:26.039 his life and actually even after their separation and even 293 00:14:26.080 --> 00:14:29.960 his mother's passing, because in her will she left Bruce 294 00:14:30.320 --> 00:14:32.879 with one million dollars worth in shares. 295 00:14:33.960 --> 00:14:35.440 That is a chunk of change. 296 00:14:35.679 --> 00:14:38.720 Yeah, I wish someone would just give me money. I mean, 297 00:14:38.799 --> 00:14:40.519 I understand it's a will. It's not just like he 298 00:14:40.600 --> 00:14:41.360 was just given money. 299 00:14:41.360 --> 00:14:43.879 It's in that situation you don't want that money. 300 00:14:44.080 --> 00:14:47.159 Yeah, I totally get that. I still want a million 301 00:14:47.200 --> 00:14:48.360 dollars though. Don't get me wrong. 302 00:14:48.600 --> 00:14:50.519 I could do a lot with a million bucks. 303 00:14:50.200 --> 00:14:53.840 Oh definitely. And Bruce he would cash out those shares 304 00:14:53.879 --> 00:14:55.919 and he used the money to purchase the house that 305 00:14:55.960 --> 00:14:58.200 they were living in, so he now owned it. 306 00:14:58.519 --> 00:14:59.320 I do like that. 307 00:14:59.720 --> 00:15:03.519 Yeah, it is nice. So for the next twenty eight years, 308 00:15:04.039 --> 00:15:07.720 Bruce would reside in this house alone. He would continue 309 00:15:07.720 --> 00:15:10.840 to not work and live off Social Security benefits and 310 00:15:10.879 --> 00:15:14.879 the money that was left for him. During this time, 311 00:15:15.200 --> 00:15:18.559 Bruce would have very little contact with his father and 312 00:15:18.600 --> 00:15:22.120 his half sister and the rest of his family. He 313 00:15:22.200 --> 00:15:25.279 stuck to himself, and he became somewhat of a recluse. 314 00:15:25.679 --> 00:15:28.759 Yeah, yeah, staking to my hermit kind of Ah. 315 00:15:28.399 --> 00:15:30.799 Pretty much, except just not out in the middle of 316 00:15:30.799 --> 00:15:31.639 a cabin in the bush. 317 00:15:31.759 --> 00:15:33.960 He still lived in a neighborhood of sorts. 318 00:15:33.720 --> 00:15:38.600 Exactly, and around his property. This is where it starts 319 00:15:38.600 --> 00:15:41.360 to see a little bit odd his behavior, because he's 320 00:15:41.399 --> 00:15:44.919 not just sitting at home by himself. Now, he had 321 00:15:44.919 --> 00:15:47.120 actually set up barbed wire around the fence of his 322 00:15:47.200 --> 00:15:50.519 house to keep out intruders. Whoa, and he even installed 323 00:15:50.600 --> 00:15:53.519 cans around his yard as crude alarm systems. 324 00:15:53.639 --> 00:15:56.000 Oh my gosh, he's just in there, like almost as 325 00:15:56.120 --> 00:15:58.360 terrified of the outside world pretty much. 326 00:15:58.360 --> 00:16:00.919 It seemed like that, oh sitting there waiting to see 327 00:16:00.960 --> 00:16:03.919 if he could hear these like cans rattling away. So 328 00:16:04.000 --> 00:16:05.519 in that way, he knew if there was like someone 329 00:16:05.600 --> 00:16:06.600 accessing his property. 330 00:16:06.840 --> 00:16:09.440 Yikes. That makes me feel terrible for him. 331 00:16:09.360 --> 00:16:11.960 Right, And actually we saw that in The Walking Dead 332 00:16:11.960 --> 00:16:13.080 in one of the earlier seasons. 333 00:16:13.360 --> 00:16:13.639 Yeah. 334 00:16:13.759 --> 00:16:15.679 Yeah, they set up a little tent and then like 335 00:16:15.759 --> 00:16:17.279 strings with cans on them, so I knew if a 336 00:16:17.320 --> 00:16:20.480 walker was coming in. And yeah, that's pretty much exactly 337 00:16:20.559 --> 00:16:21.159 what he was doing. 338 00:16:21.480 --> 00:16:25.279 Jeez. Yeah, I mean the neighbors probably hated that too. 339 00:16:25.600 --> 00:16:27.879 Probably it was quite nice, I'm assuming. 340 00:16:28.840 --> 00:16:30.879 And not only this though, but he had actually nailed 341 00:16:30.879 --> 00:16:35.440 the windows of his house shut. Yeah, and this is 342 00:16:35.480 --> 00:16:37.679 a little bit of information that I told you prior 343 00:16:37.720 --> 00:16:41.360 to he had developed a rather serious hoarding problem. 344 00:16:41.960 --> 00:16:44.960 Okay, well, two things here. Nailing the windows, that's not 345 00:16:45.000 --> 00:16:47.440 a terrible idea. That's safety. 346 00:16:47.720 --> 00:16:50.320 I mean, you're not wrong. You're not wrong. 347 00:16:50.440 --> 00:16:52.480 Now, I'm like, my brain's going, I'm like, should we 348 00:16:52.519 --> 00:16:52.799 do that? 349 00:16:53.919 --> 00:16:55.600 You can also just lock windows. 350 00:16:55.799 --> 00:16:58.879 That's true, that's true. But maybe he didn't have windows 351 00:16:58.879 --> 00:17:01.320 that locked. He should have spent his million dollars to 352 00:17:01.320 --> 00:17:04.279 get windows l law. There you go anyway. Yes, So 353 00:17:04.519 --> 00:17:07.720 the hoarding thing is fascinating to me because they are 354 00:17:07.759 --> 00:17:09.440 used to I don't there still could be, but I 355 00:17:09.519 --> 00:17:13.799 used to be really into watching those shows, the hoarding shows, 356 00:17:14.400 --> 00:17:16.359 and the families and stuff, and how they would kind 357 00:17:16.400 --> 00:17:18.039 of go in and help them, because it's like, it's 358 00:17:18.079 --> 00:17:20.319 actually quite a it's a disorder, right, Oh. 359 00:17:20.279 --> 00:17:22.079 Yeah, it's an actual disorder. 360 00:17:22.119 --> 00:17:22.400 Yeah. 361 00:17:22.440 --> 00:17:24.759 Actually, I have that a little description of it here 362 00:17:24.799 --> 00:17:28.160 in my write up, if I may so, I say, 363 00:17:28.400 --> 00:17:31.319 hoarding is an actual disorder in which a person has 364 00:17:31.359 --> 00:17:35.359 difficulty discarding or parting with possessions because of the perceived 365 00:17:35.440 --> 00:17:38.720 need to save them, often pertaining to potential value or 366 00:17:38.880 --> 00:17:40.160 use for them. 367 00:17:40.440 --> 00:17:43.799 They physically have a hard time getting rid of anything. 368 00:17:43.920 --> 00:17:44.960 Oh definitely. Yeah. 369 00:17:45.079 --> 00:17:48.319 And I almost can legitimately understand that feeling a little bit. 370 00:17:48.519 --> 00:17:50.279 I feel like I come from a line of hoarders 371 00:17:50.279 --> 00:17:54.039 a little bit, not like very low key, very low 372 00:17:54.119 --> 00:17:56.640 key hoarders. But I have a terrible time getting rid 373 00:17:56.720 --> 00:17:58.440 of things. But I kind of broke that chain. I 374 00:17:58.440 --> 00:18:02.720 feel like with tiny homelans, not so much more than 375 00:18:02.759 --> 00:18:03.200 I could have. 376 00:18:03.559 --> 00:18:06.400 You still have like three boxes of beanie babies from when. 377 00:18:06.279 --> 00:18:08.519 You're that's the only thing you have. Shitten are in 378 00:18:08.559 --> 00:18:11.599 there too that you could get rid of too. Those 379 00:18:11.640 --> 00:18:13.319 are supposed to be my life saving. 380 00:18:13.119 --> 00:18:15.079 So the beanie babies. 381 00:18:14.759 --> 00:18:16.680 Like I collected those and one day they were going 382 00:18:16.720 --> 00:18:18.839 to pay pay for my whole life. 383 00:18:19.119 --> 00:18:20.920 No, I don't think those would even be able to 384 00:18:20.920 --> 00:18:22.799 pay for McDonald's Happy Meal at this point. 385 00:18:22.920 --> 00:18:23.880 I could probably get that. 386 00:18:25.480 --> 00:18:26.440 It'd be hard pressed. 387 00:18:28.359 --> 00:18:32.359 That's my only thing now, Okayanie told the world things 388 00:18:32.400 --> 00:18:32.759 a lot. 389 00:18:34.480 --> 00:18:36.400 Sorry I outed you my bad. 390 00:18:36.960 --> 00:18:38.880 I have a photo of myself laying on the bed 391 00:18:39.000 --> 00:18:40.839 just covered in beanie babies. 392 00:18:41.119 --> 00:18:42.799 You've told me about this photo, but I've yet to 393 00:18:42.799 --> 00:18:47.799 see it. You got to dig up probably a good thing, probably. Anyways, 394 00:18:47.839 --> 00:18:50.839 back to Bruce, His house and his yard was filled 395 00:18:50.880 --> 00:18:53.400 up with debris and had filled up over the years. 396 00:18:53.799 --> 00:18:56.440 His property was not being taken care of. There was 397 00:18:56.519 --> 00:19:00.440 overgrown vegetation through the yard, along with the debris and 398 00:19:00.440 --> 00:19:03.799 and trash scattered all around that reached up heights towards 399 00:19:03.839 --> 00:19:04.559 his windows. 400 00:19:04.680 --> 00:19:07.519 Oh my gosh, and that's when the city starts having 401 00:19:07.599 --> 00:19:08.559