Speaker 1: Hello, ladies and gentlemen. And where you saying that about
this show? Who knows? Because we are back who knows
a couple of years ago, but we are back to
sunset Joe Goldberg, Will Benhamheim, whatever fucking other names he had.
I am the trial Master trest now and I'm joined by.
Speaker 2: I am the Bronte Sourus KIRKLM. Patzer.
Speaker 3: I'm your boo boo Taylor Field.
Speaker 1: See, you guys have good ones. You know why because
I watched this. I finished the second day. Came on.
You guys more fresh than me. So when I got
to the nicknames, like, I have no fucking clue. This
show is like two months old to me. Now, don
you guys delame me? Mission impossible, delame me on this
my god like settled down, come down, come down, works
from home. But nope, yeah I do. Uh but ladies, Joman,
yes we're here. You can go back. There is a vert.
This show has been going on for a walk, and
someone get me the date because I feel like this.
All the reviews have had like very different people on
twenty eighteen. Okay, not as old as I thought, but
still coming on. You know, a couple of years to
a decade, but so we do have a review for
every season out there. I think season three is when
it started to be US three, but dyl was on
some of them, Jessica was on some of them. I think,
I don't know if Kyle snuck on them. Riggs might
have been on them. So yeah, a whole bunch. But
the past couple of years we've been doing this one
and we're here so as usual, we're gonna give our
non sport thoughts of what we thought of the season
and ending. But that section is probably not gonna go
in too long because I feel like it's hard to
have about the season with this boy as it is
they final season. But yeah, so mister Pats or what
did you think of you season five? Do you feel
fulfilled with the ending? Because obviously season four I think
was rocky for US. It didn't keep up the quality
of the first three seasons, but we like, okay, they're
still ending at a point where they can bring home.
We're not going in the Dexter style or any other
shows where it's like, oh, season seven, season eight, We're
just going going so okay, season five can probably reel
back in and was this reeled in? Or did the
fish take you overboard?
Speaker 4: Did the fish take me overboard? I don't know if
it took me overboard. It definitely a wet on that
on that boat. I think ending I think it did
a good enough job at concluding this story for Joe
Goldberg and you overall. I definitely think this is like
while watching this season, I could feel that, like, man,
I think the best of this show, like the best
content of this show is definitely in the past, and
I am glad that we're ending it here, We're not
trying to keep going with this adventure. I think there's
a lot of like isms to the first like early
just moments of the show in general, which is like
a nice little kind of way to send it send
it off of just going full circle, going back to
the beginning again. I I definitely was surprised by a
few things that happened in here, and that was nice
to be kind of kept off guard, especially with it
just I think early on in the season it seemed
like it was like, Okay, I feel like I have
a pretty good understanding what's happening, and that totally flipped
it around. So that was kind of nice to be
surprised there. Yeah, and I don't. I don't really have
any major issues with the way that it ended. I
like nothing that would really change for the most part,
like some little nitpicks here and there, with maybe just
some inconsistencies with the certain characters motivation. You know, I'll
detail that we and get there. But yeah, no, I
thought this was really good. Performances wise, thought, I thought
they were really really good. I think the actress I
led to pull up by MDB because I don't have
any other names, but the actress that played Kate. I
actually think this was like a better performance for her
in this seasons. Her last season she was like MVP
for me. For every episode that she was in. It
was it was so spectacular. Just yeah, just the range
that she was doing, especially that it was like it
seemed like she was in a more like a somewhat.
Speaker 2: Minor appearance wise, maybe the last season. I don't know.
I didn't rewatch last season, so I can't really judge,
but it just I think.
Speaker 1: It's pretty comparable. But I would definitely say she was
in last season more.
Speaker 4: Overall Stone, Yeah, yeah, no, but I thought she was
such a stand up Pen was just phenomenal as well.
I think he's really ramping it up here in this
final seat with like it should be going that way.
So yeah, no, I think for the most part, pretty
satisfied with it. But I don't think I'm gonna be
looking on it of like, man, season five of you
like that was spectacular, Like that's out of ten. It's like, man,
you had some really good seasons and pretty solid ending.
I think that's how I'm gonna be looking back and
kind of just talking about the show in general. Definitely
some good moments, yeah, some shocking surprises, but really solid.
And I think I think the ten episodes, I think
it was a pretty healthy amount. I think while I
was watching it, I forgot it.
Speaker 2: Was ten episodes.
Speaker 4: Were like getting close to the eighter and I'm like, man,
like we got a lot to do here, and then
it was kind of a nice, pleasant surprise to have
the ten episodes and good lengths overall. Yeah, I think
that's kind of all I'll say for spoiler free would
recommend it, especially if you've gone on this journey. Uh Yeah,
It's not like a final season of Dexter or something
where it's like why I even bother going through that?
Speaker 2: Just just skip it go ahead to new Blood or something.
Speaker 1: So yeah, Joe new Blood coming uh into a theater
near you.
Speaker 2: It could happen.
Speaker 4: I know, we'll see, I'll I haven't paid attention to
like what this has been doing. I know Netflix numbers
wise are always just a mist We don't know exactly
what the numbers are for Netflix, but I don't know
what the general buzz is because it seems like you
and especially with just Penn Badgeley, just a lot of
people are infactuated by his handsome, good looks and his charisma.
So like, I feel like a lot of hype just
kind of gets built up around the character of Joe
Olberg and you and you know, Miler spoilers, it's it's
it's kind of funny how they they talk about some
of that.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, I got thoughts, but we'll say spoilers of
what the future of this franchise is.
Speaker 3: But mister Field, Yeah, I feel like the season was
a little too long. I feel like some episodes were
I don't want to say filler. There wasn't really anything
filler because it's all one cohesive narrative for sure, but
I feel like some episodes were just a little too
dragged out in developing certain things and developing certain characters.
Speaker 1: Would your nickname be one of them? Because I would
agree there that we could have said goodbye to that
story probably midway throughout the season.
Speaker 3: But I like those characters that were involved. But I
think the way that they pulled off their story was
it was long and it didn't amount to anything so.
Speaker 1: And I feel like, maybe not quality wise, But when
we talk about Dexter later seasons, when it gets very unbelievable,
there's some stuff happened with that story that you have
to really like check your suspension of disbelief at the
door where I feel like with you maybe didn't in
the future, But I digress.
Speaker 3: Mm hmmm. I think once we got past the uh,
the the middle ground of the five, Yes, yeah, then
things kind of started to turn around a little bit
and pick up a little bit more, which I really liked.
Speaker 1: Do you think before you go? Do you guys think
they were at one point tempting to do what they
did last year or last season? Remember when they split
the season into two and they did the whole reveal
that Reese was like the eat the Rich Killer, and
that was the cliffhanger we're not gonna say it was,
but like season episode five feels like as a cliffhanger
when they reveal something. I wonder at one point if
they're like, yeah, you're we're gonna do that again where
there's gonna be a break, because it felt like that,
but then they didn't break. So it's weird to have
like a mid season finale. But then you just pick
up with Okay, we're the cops here and they're figuring
out what's going on, you know, so I wonder if
they were toying with that or not.
Speaker 2: Definitely have the same feel of that.
Speaker 1: Yeah, Well, the other seasons, I don't feel I never
each season. I don't feel like there's like a big
turning point the middle season. I feel like it's like
a consistent here's the story, but who knows.
Speaker 3: In retrospect, Like with this season compared to the other ones,
I I feel like, well, season four sets up where
we're at here. I will I don't have to go
back and listen to that review. But I don't feel
particularly hot on season four, especially after watching this one.
I feel like this that whole side tangent in London
was just just way too out in left field for me,
it is I really just in retrospect don't enjoy it.
And so obviously, if that means we had to have
that in the story to get to where we are
here with Kate and and so forth, then okay, I
can understand that. I can I can accept that because
I mean, you guys, you highlighted Kate was fantastic in
this episode or in this episode this season. She really Yeah,
she really became a powerhouse of a character. So really
really really like that. And yeah, I think there's some
other things that you know, I did enjoy. But at
the end of the day, it didn't have to be
ten episodes. I feel like it could have been shorter.
So I'm looking forward to breaking this down because there's
definitely a few things in here worth discussing. But yeah,
it was nice to kind of have a season in
closing that was not a full on like repetition of
previous seasons. Well, there's familiar beats, it still manages to
send up on its own and introduce something new after
four seasons of being very similar, Like, Oh Joe sees
this girl and then that's what happens, He's falling in love.
Oh Joe SE's this girl, Oh falls love da. There's
still a few surprises that caught me off guards. So yeah,
there you have it.
Speaker 1: Yeah, so I think I'm yeah, I'll be excited to
once we get into spoilers talk about because I feel
like we all have similar feelings on some reals, but
I think we're on different wavelengths as far as like
the number we would be, not on like the rating,
because I know I feel like we're gonna be maybe
in a similar rating standpoint, but just things that we
maybe enjoy more than others. But yeah, I agree with Kate.
She was great because she was somebody I did not
like completely love. So I did rewatch the entire show
because I want to get ready for this. And yeah,
I've seasons one to three I absolutely love. For me.
I've always said that was like a scratching the Dexter
Itchwae Dexter was gone, and it is just so funny
where That's why I got like the show. Season one
on its own merit was good, but that's why I
got into because I heard those comparisons and man is
it's so funny where we started that you, oh, this
is the new Dexter and now we're coming into this
year where we're getting our second sequel series of Dexter,
where Michael C. Hall is back. So it's funny in
the time span that you've been here, Dexter was gone
and he's come back twice now. So it's just funny
how like entertainment works. That's why, like Luke Skywalker says,
for characters, no one's ever really gone that same thing
with ip, you know. So that's why I believe, no
matter what happens, I think you'll see something you related
on the Netflix banner at some point in the future.
So this season, I think, like what Kirkland said, this
didn't reach those end Dexter seasons, but it definitely felt
like we're one season away from that. We're on the
cusp of we're getting into We got no material that's
really that good. The things are really cheesy. Everything that
saves it is honestly, is mostly the acting. I think
there's some writing, but the show just it doesn't feel
as clever as it used to. And that's a problem,
right because like theater said, it's not one for one,
but there's still lots of beats of Joe meets a
girl and he gets obsessed and he does this and
he spends three episodes being like we're just gonna be friends,
and something happens and that girl doesn't know he's a
bad guy, and then there's signs. But the problem is
like we'll get to spoils too. But it gets less
believable when the girl's falling in love with the guy
and it's like, hey, this guy's been connected to like
fifty dead people, where like with Love it did matter
because Love was a fucking psychopath, right, And then even
with Mary Anne, it's like, okay, there's like one connection
the dead wife, but it's like that could happen right
even back that's one off. There's just certain things where
even though with all the money, it's just like there's
I think with this show that was something where there
was there was some leaps and bounds in the first
earlier seasons, but you could kind of manage it or
expect the kind of oh Joe's a little lucky to
get away with this right where this season and even
four it's like you need fucking eight horseshoes up your
ass to get away with a lot of this stuff,
and it just kind of works out, And especially when
they're in big cities like New York, which camera is everywhere, right,
so there's like half the stuff they're doing is like
you'd be cann a day like Joe would be done,
but you just gonna have some fun and go along
with it. But yeah, I think, I honestly think I
wish there was a way they could put half of
because I'm in Taylor's camp. I think ten was too much.
I think there's multiple story lines that going too long.
This to me felt like, oh, we have ten episodes,
we have to extend them. Especially, i'd say the Bronte character.
I feel like there's three episodes where they didn't know
what to do and they're just like, well, let's make
her feel this way. And then it's like, actually, let's
make her just return her back to what we're doing
with her, and so like that's a weird kind of
sideway we went, and I wish there was like a
I don't think you could do this, but maybe someone
out there can do it for me, is lead seasons
one to three as themselves and then give me like
a super cut of four and five, like make four
and five the fourth season and that's right. But yeah,
because I think you still needed some of the England stuff,
but even that went on longer. I did like it
a bit better on a second rewatch, but there's so
much stuff that didn't need it. And even then too,
we're there've been like three seasons of dealing with super
rich people, and that theme got a little repetitive of
like him and Love Win of the Suburbs, right, and
then with the Eat the Rich killer in season four,
this is just like came Now Joe's married into the
rich people. So it's a lot of those like isms
that I'm not watching White Lowis right now, but I've
heard that too, where it's like that's a lot of oh,
rich people are bad, and I'm you know whatever, of
course eat the rich that expression where people talk about
these people are really well off, should we feel bad
for them? I'm not saying that, but once we're a
third season of view of Joe dealing with like that's
that's always what it is, is, right, Well, you're rich
and you don't know any better, and you're a piece
of shit. It's like, okay, I got a Joe, you
don't like these rich people, but it's like you are
now on the rich people, so I'm happy with the
ending overall. I think we'll tell Abot sports. I think
they got to a good point. I think it was
a bumpy road, but I still think they they got
the win. It's funny because I did go back and
listen to our season four review because I was like,
what did I think about that? And because that's what
we all liked the back half more. And I'm bringing
that expression back that I used, right, I said, yeah,
we got the win, but it was a very bumpy road,
like we won by one point in the last, you know,
a few seconds of the game. Because I think it's
I don't know. I think it's kind of on par
with last season. I think they both had their strengths
and I both they both had their weaknesses. I will
give this credit though, that I think they did a
very good job of tying many things together throughout the
whole show. And that's one thing I desperately hated about
the Dexter final season, the ending that that's why I'm
excited about Batista coming back, because that was never talked
about on the original show. Batista just had his own
fucking side quest where like Quinn's fucking his sister and
that's drama. It's like when Dexter was ending, you feel
like everybody should be involved in that, and it really wasn't.
Where this it felt like, Hey, everybody that's alive, even
some people that are dead, they're other than they apparently
could not get love Quinn back. That's not a spoiler,
but like even the thumbnail for the show, so all
his girlfriends are there except for Victoria Petrini. I'm like, okay,
she didn't want to play ball or comeback. But other
than that, everything's on the table. So and I think
they did the classic Taylor will not this. I'm not
sure Kirkland News scream fan you watch screams at all.
Speaker 2: I've seen one or two, mostly scary baby stab.
Speaker 1: Yes. Yeah, but like Jamie Kennedy talks about, this doesn't
completely work. But in the third way he talks about
horror trilogies, you always gotta go back to the original,
you gotta go back to where it started. And I think,
like Kirkland said, they did a good job of going
back to where the Star went certain aspects of tying
directly to season one and going Okay, this feels like
a semi complete story, even if it doesn't get there
the cleanest, and yeah, no, I'm gonna miss seeing pen
in the scroll. But at the same time, this is
good spot to end it. Five seasons. That's enough. I
can always go back, and I luckily, I think this
season ended in a goodenough way and it's still strong
enough that if I rewant, if I want to rewatch
the show, I would still watch four and five. If
five suck. I already told this guy I was gonna
rewatch seasons one to four, and when Joe jumped off
the bridge, I was just gonna stop it there, like
what I do with Dexter now. Dexter to me now
ends season five, episode one, when he buries Rita, and
then we go write in the New Blood. That's my
new Machetti order, Like, I don't need to watch all
this stuff. And that's where I think, at least season
five was good enough that Okay, I can watch the
full journey, even though I can get a pretty pretty
messy season. There's a lot of a lot of stuff
going on here that I didn't think was needed. But
uh yeah, I'm I'm happy with what they ended the
story and where we ended it, So anything else non
spoilers before we continue on. Alright, going once, going twice,
we're gonna take our first AD break, and then we'll
be right back and we're back. I don't know why
my brain took over. I was gonna go fucking hit
the end stream, but no idea why my brain was
cocking it up. So and thank god it didn't.
Speaker 2: But uh, yeah, I don let's start again.
Speaker 1: Yeah I didn't like my take. Let's I got another
twenty minute rant, but no, let's go. You can go
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Speaker 3: You did good?
Speaker 1: Good? Yeah? So yeah, where do we start with the
final season of You? There's a lot of places to go.
Speaker 3: I want to I want to pick a spot here.
Henry is just thrown right back into the mix here,
which really caught me off guard. I was not expecting
that whatsoever. I thought he you know, we haven't seen
him since season three. He was locked away with you know,
the new parents.
Speaker 2: But you just.
Speaker 3: So he was given, he was given. But yeah, it's
just I felt I felt bad for him because it
was like, yeah, he's just ripped away from from his
two parents and now Kate is the mom and Joe's
back to being the dad, and it's just I guess
money does whatever money wants to do. But yeah, that
just caught me off guard. So what do you guys
think about it?
Speaker 4: It was it was a fun, dynamic to have in
the season, Like it just added a lot more of
like a just a big variable I think to the
overall situation because like, Okay, Joe is a bad guy,
like I'm wanting him to go down, but then you
throw in like this kid aspect and like all the
all the stuff with him reacting or just his motivation
around Henry, like it felt very genuine. I don't know
how like it's probably just some fucked up whatever he
has around with Henry because like clearly he says like
I'm doing everything I can for my son, but then
he's like murdering people and just like putting like like
just yeah, he's just ruining this child's life forever.
Speaker 3: It's sad uncle.
Speaker 1: Yeah, like his runaway plans don't include his son ever,
like he just like yeah.
Speaker 4: But but I did like just the dynamic of it,
like it was just a big I don't know, firecracker
in the season of like how are they going to
handle this situation? And I think for how it was
done in the show was pretty enticing. But yeah, in
terms of just him just getting thrown back into the
mix in the season, it just seemed like it was
like a string of like Oh yeah, the Lockwoods are just.
Speaker 2: Infinite money glitch and they can just do whatever they want.
Speaker 4: And that's kind of something that started from last season,
right when they just cover up everything that Joe did,
like he's Joe Goldberg again, like they just that's just reality.
And obviously that started from last last season. In this season,
it happens a few times of like Kate, Kate is
gonna call her person and just figure out the situation.
Speaker 1: Even Joe, even when he's like quote unquote cut off,
he's still just throwing money around wherever. You know.
Speaker 4: It doesn't like he's buying Bronte like shit, just with
Kate's card. Yeah, Like I'm glad that we have this
carte blanche at the end of the show, you know
what i mean, Like this would have been so annoying
if we were going on like three seasons and Kate's
just like, oh, yeah, no.
Speaker 2: You you you know you need you need.
Speaker 4: To get something covered up again, Like we're just gonna
transport you to this other country and we're just gonna
expunge everything, or might not even have to because we'll
just stay in New York because no one can get
us here.
Speaker 2: Even though you're Joe Goldberg.
Speaker 4: So yeah, I think there was many times it annoyed
me overall, just just without easily some of those situations
were being resolved, but didn't overstate it's welcome too much.
Speaker 1: But yeah, yeah, I wasn't expecting Henry. When they do
their whole little montage, they're just oh, and I got
my son back. It's like, oh, you got your son.
I knew the son was in this season, but I
thought it might be a dream sequence or something else.
I'm of multiple minds with the son. I think the
only reason they make it seem like Joe cares about
the sun is just because they put all that on
Pim badgely the act, and he does a great job
that way. But I think in the writing it's not there.
I'm not saying that's a bad thing, because I'm not
saying Joe should care about his son because the way
he is, but I think it's just there's like multiple
episodes the son just is not around. He's just he's
not with Kate, he's not with Joe. And I know
somebody be like, well they're rich and he's with the butler,
but it's just like, well, that's hard for me to
believe like both these people care about this kid, right,
Like there's just so many times where Henry's just missing
r ap Piers once and I don't know if he
needed to be back. It worked, like sometimes it works,
sometimes it didn't. It felt like a hassle. You know.
It's much like when dexterad Harrison early on. It's like
Harrison would go missing and that's just a tough thing
when you pair them with like a young kid who
has to be watched by his parents. It's always the thing.
And even Joe was like he's out late hours, he's
sleeping over in his fucking book hotel, being like, oh
it works late. It's like how's work late for the
fucking you know, like grand opening, But other times like
I'm sure this bookstore is open, like what nine ten
and he's getting home with threes like all late night.
Like there were a couple of weird choices that Kate
doesn't have a scene with Bronte till like the episode
she dies, very odd that like, at no point they
have this whole scene where Kate's crying with Teddy about
oh he's cheating on me that, but she didn't confront him.
She didn't even go into the fucking bookstore, like Joe's
just like running wild out there doing whatever. And I
kind of didn't like that Kate ended up with the
kid at the end, Like I here's saying I think
the acting of Kate was better or just like she
had better material that worked for her the character. I'm
very iffy on as well, because I just feel I
felt her ending dying in the fire was a worthy end.
And I think at the end when she's like, well,
she shows her scars, they didn't give her like a
face scar. She's like one arm in her arm that
she can hide up, like she's a great looking woman
and like she's still like a billionaire. She has Henry.
So even at one point she says like we should
have left him with those two men they loved, you know,
they could give him the love we couldn't. So at
the end when she could now, I'm gonna keep him.
I'm gonna keep Henry. You know.
Speaker 3: I just feel like, well that was if she died,
if she died, he was gonna go back, yeah, well,
or if she was gonna go to prison, that's right,
it's what.
Speaker 2: No.
Speaker 1: When her and Joe were arguing though, of him. She
was saying that we shouldn't have brought Henry into this situation.
We should have just left him with those two guys.
So I just felt like, still at the end, she
should have that epiphany like this is someone that knowingly
killed kids for a project, you know, so ohah blah
blah blah, I did this this, And I just didn't
buy the turn of episode one Joe. I didn't buy
the full turn where finale we talked about last season,
Joe's evil, He's just accepted he's got money, and Kate's like,
you do your thing, gonna run the world. Episode one,
Kate's fully on board. You know, my uncle fucking killed him.
Do whatever. Episode two, Nah, this is not for me anymore.
It just felt like such a sudden that felt like
they wanted more seasons and whether they want to end
it or okay, I think Penn badgery because he had
so many times like I'm ready for the show, and
whether he was like I don't want to continue on.
It just felt like the switch of Kate wasn't justified.
So even then, like I don't know how innocent her
uncle is, but still he wasn't to the amount of
what Joe was doing, and she like ordered his assassination
by the end of the show, a pretty good deal
for her. She's still got the kid, still got her villains,
Like she's fine, Like she's selling art again, She's like
has all these connections. So for me, actually thought, even
though I liked her acting, I thought it would have
been more fitting as she also died in the fire
and Henry did go back to those two guys, because
it's just she's also done some bad shit. And again, yeah,
I just didn't buy her turning on Joe. I thought
it was really really fast, especially with last season, and
even the star of the season felt like that was
the whole point that she accepted his dark darkness and
then it was no more, you know, So.
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's fair. I think I agree with you for
the most part.
Speaker 4: I think, like I agree with the statement that her
performance was better than like what was written for the character,
Like she just uplifted everything around it, which was fantastic
because if you would have had a lesser actress like
in that role.
Speaker 2: Would have been a very forgettable character.
Speaker 4: It's like, man, this is just lady with a blank
check that just bails them out. You know, like it
nothing really to write home about, but I think doubling
down on just the exceptional acting that she was doing,
Like I feel like I was being bought into her
kind of how it played out for her, like like yeah, there,
it seems a little bit abrupt at times, but it's
also like she's trying to just like she's under so
much pressure with being the CEO of the company. She
has a terrible family, you know, for the most part,
most I guess mostly Reagan just this like evil lady
that is just constantly a thorn on your side, try to,
you know, dig up the skeletons in your closet, like
twenty four seven. You just have all these like other
anxieties and pressure of just like marrying this sociopath. Like
I guess at this point she doesn't fully understand the
extent of it, but I think I believe that she
kind of puts this veil on a lot of that
stuff in the sake of her just being in love
and like just picturing this life of like I can
just have this perfect marriage, this perfect like son that
I'll be raising if we just kind of let this go.
Speaker 2: And I think I did.
Speaker 4: Believe that she thought that Joe like was genuine with
him saying like it was just an act of whatever
it was, the terminology they says, it's just like a
one time thing essentially for these murders, Like it's just
like random chance on how they happened. Let's let's just
move past it and move on from that point. Like
I feel like I did believe her for that reason,
but then once it just gets too intense, like too real,
like she they actually killed her uncle, Like she can't
sleep at night, like she's just having cold sweats, Like
it's the Lady Macbeth thing where she is just you know,
trying to wash the blood of the metaphorical blood off
of her hands like twenty like all the time, but
she just can't. So I think I believe the performance
of her saying that of just like I thought I
could do this, maybe I can't, Like this is bad,
let me handle.
Speaker 2: It my way.
Speaker 4: And I think there's many times that she shows that
she probably should be getting some help with not really
Joe's help, but just other family members are people around her,
but she it's just a character flaw where she feels
like everything has to be on her. It's probably you know,
tied to the dad and all that stuff. But yeah,
I don't know. I think I think I did maybe
just buy into her flip flopping of being on the
side a lot more than Bronte, you know, when we
get there. I think that one was a little bit
more egregious for mepecially because it just goes like one
episode she's completely on team, next episode she's completely against them,
next episode completely on team, and then the.
Speaker 2: Next episode completely not. So that was pretty egregious. But
for Kate's I would defend that one to an extent.
But you do bring up some good points.
Speaker 1: Yeah, we'll get to Bronte. I'm pretty much in your
camp there. But about Kate, happy with their ending, happy
with their art this season, happy with their family.
Speaker 3: I really thought she died.
Speaker 2: Uh.
Speaker 1: These people are fucking the Avengers, Like Joe has so
many lives. Kate like stabbed in a fire and.
Speaker 3: I can't they just a whole bunch.
Speaker 2: But back.
Speaker 1: Happening the later seasons, you get those powers season one
perman death.
Speaker 3: Yeah, but yeah, I think she completely caught me off
guard that she survived. I thought she was absolutely dead
and toast, But yeah, she survived the fire and I'm
glad she's alive. I am glad that she has Henry.
I like the relationship together. I think she's it's just
such a crazy turn events, Like, if I have my way,
I never would have brought Henry back into the fold.
I think, Okay, Henry could have stayed with his two
his two other parents that Joe passed passed him on to.
But last that's not the case anymore, and they they
they changed it. So Kate having custody of Henry and
all that. I really do like that, and I like
that they kind of have that happy ending her family,
though Reagan was just it was just brutal. And I
couldn't remember where I saw the actress from. But the actress,
I can't remember her name. She's she's from Pitch Perfect.
And I didn't realize that they were twins. At first.
I thought they were just very like close looking sisters,
but then that whole twin in this. Yeah, I didn't
realize that it was the same actress because she's not
They're not really twins in real life. I'm pretty sure
it's just one actress.
Speaker 2: Yeah that was my too. Yeah, I thought you Michael
Jordan and been like, no, they're actually twins. It's like,
what the fuck. Wow, Okay, that's crazy.
Speaker 3: Yeah, but it's a She did a fantastic job. Really
really liked it, and I thought it was great when
just seeing how they were reacting with Kate and how
Kate was just trying to endure and kind of get
past it and not go the route of like murdering them,
and what Joe wanted to do. And I feel like
after the last season, they were really trying to set
up this whole I mean set up as I say
that loosely, because it was Joe that was narrating and
telling us this from his perspective, like, I'll be there
to help her be a better person. She'll be there
to make me a better person. We have each other,
and he wants to just start killing and she won't
let him. So now he's the one he sees that
as a problem, but he's going back on what he
committed to. And the finale of that season four and
so you just have Kate who's grown and developed on
beyond that now and is with the family and with
Teddy and Reagan and Maddie and all that. So, yeah,
just that whole relationship with Reagan though, was just something else.
And I think that twist of when Joe went in
and he fucked up, which he sucks up a lot,
but I thought I thought that was really well done
and quite clever when he takes the wrong twin and
all that, and just his loose attempt to try and
play it off like oh, like I'm your boo boo
and she like, you're not my boo boo. It's like,
you know, we always had something between us, and he
was just like trying to mess around with her, to
not like sleeping with her, but mess around mentally with
her to try and get her to come around. But yeah,
I feel bad for Maddie. I actually really liked that
character and that actress. I already like spoke about that,
but I do feel bad for her. She got mentally
abused by Reagan and then she got mentally abused and
tricked by Joe and everything just went absolutely sideways.
Speaker 2: But that act type one, Yeah, that.
Speaker 3: Actress did a phenomenal job when she was like like
coasting in and out of having to act out being
Reagan to fool people and then just was reverting back
to being Maddie. And just the transitions like she's in
the bathroom and she's talking to herself in the mirror,
conversation like from her with herself as Reagan and Maddie,
and she's doing like her makeup and stuff like and
then Kate goes in there and she's just on the floor.
Speaker 1: Fuck.
Speaker 3: It was just she's a really really good actress in
this show. Really like it. But all of that stuff
that that was very much too long on the Reagan
stuff I feel like has no payoff for later on.
They don't even touch upon the fact I don't at
least remember where Kate's like, oh you can actually no,
I guess yeah, because Maddie confirms that she killed Reagan,
but Kate doesn't seem affected by it or anything.
Speaker 1: Right, Please move on pretty quickly with it, you know,
that's right? Yeah, Teddy knows, like they all know. And
because everybody knows. Oh shit, Bro, Mike, thank you everybody.
I'll continue go for.
Speaker 4: That's all I have to add to the conversation. No,
Maddie was great, Reagan was great. Performances could highlight their
Taylor or bouncing between the two back.
Speaker 2: To Travis.
Speaker 3: Polyester Mike, he's got there, Clouder.
Speaker 2: Please.
Speaker 1: Uh anyways, Yeah, the whole world no shorter, and I
guess they just serve some jail time or something, because right,
he got a prison tattoo the husband right of Maddie
on his neck, and uh yeah, I just think it
went on too long and is what he said something
like that, And again to like the point of she's
fulling on the Joe thing, She's like, oh, do your
mind switch ruthing like very that you can say it's
Stockholm syndrome. The same way, it's like they feel pretty
fine after all said and done, like they're just in
the park. They're gonna you know, she's pregnant, like happy family.
Just felt like the effects weren't there for what Joe
did to her and killing her sister, because even then
I know the sister was like a terrible person, but
like a lot of her family is. So I think
he just went on too long. I don't know. I
thought the acting was good enough. I think it just
kind of went close to the realm of being very cheesy.
Even the subplot of just doing both twins. It's like,
I don't know if you can even get away with
that in twenty twenty five, you know, like you could
do a point, but there's so much going on with
these people, and even Joe's plan of oh, we're gonna
say a boat axe and you're in the new twin, Like,
there has to be some way to tell these things apart.
But yeah, not definitely a storyline that ifever we watched
the show, that's gonna be the pulple phone stuff. I
didn't need it for as long as it went. I
think there's some fun stuff with her and Joe, but yeah,
I agree with you though. The twist of him getting
the wrong twin that was a very well done everything,
especially when he's having the moral dilemma of like he
thinks she's getting assaulted. He's like, I want to kill her,
but do I want to put it to this? He's like,
and he's gonna go save her. So they're always doing
that thing where oh, Joe's a terrible person, but he's
not this type of terrible person, you know, so they
they try their best. I can't remember there's another point
that's gonna make in the realm you guys were talking about,
but uh and Teddy, he was just there just to
be like a I won't say exposition characters give exposition
but just like we need someone to watch head and hear,
there's Teddy. We need someone to watch the company will
Kate's busy, there's Teddy.
Speaker 2: It's also like a nice character to just have, Like, oh,
he's just a good person. You know, there's no like
like weird angle where like I also murdered children, you.
Speaker 4: Know, like I also did work for mister Lockwood. Like
he was just just like a beacon of goodness. So
like even when he was with Joe, it just seemed
like he like stood out and then of course later
on with Kate and just a good guardian for Henry.
Speaker 1: That's true. I just feel like if I say, like,
name me some characteristics of Teddy, there's it's always a
good guy, you know, like there's nothing there's nothing there,
like you you'll forget what this character's name is in
like three days from now, you know, remember Teddy? Like
who like you like one of those forgettable characters. But
he's there. That's fine. Ah, it's bugging me about the
Kate stuff. There's something in particular while he's filming are
you guys were talking about? But anything else with her
with the family Kate.
Speaker 3: Uncle Bob got taken.
Speaker 2: Out uncle Bob.
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, he knew all that stuff he got.
Speaker 4: He he revealed his hand way too early. You know,
he gave her time to murder him.
Speaker 2: Terrible plan.
Speaker 1: Let's talk about Bronte here, Bronte Louise. Yeah, this character
overall didn't work for me. Now it's interesting because we
talked about Kate and last year I said the same
thing about didn't call her bad actress, but I said
her and Joe didn't have chemistry. I still think they
ever had the most romantic chemistry. Like I don't even
think they kissed them this season, Kate and Joe, because
like they had their one ups over their fine and
then episode two they're like at you know, battle until
the end. Right. So with this character, it sucks because
when you you have, when you do the whole like
you thing, right, you got to buy that chemistry right away.
I didn't with Kate last year, and I especially didn't
with Bronte. It felt very forced. And this is where
it definitely felt like the Dexter thing where we're oh
trying to find different plot lines in the end seasons
or what's relevant. It just feels like man fourth wing whatever,
what's the other one called this another franchise Kirkland Guitar,
a guitar that has spawned since fifty Shade's sure, but
I'd say the biggest like C literature has ever been
is now about Rome, like novels that are very much
you know, can be for everybody, but for skewing young
women that are very much into the dark, you know,
lead that's sexual and all about descripting, and there's an
adventure and it feels like this season was definitely like
what's popular right now, and that's what so many of
the scenes of them falling together. So for me, that's
where it's like, kay, this is like a gimmick season
of that. And two, I just did not buy their chemistry,
Like this was the least I've ever bought a chemistry
with Joe and somebody. It did not feel, especially for
her kind of being like the final you and the
one that takes them down. And especially my last point
before I hold it over is because I said, these guys,
I'm like, oh man, they should have ended with four,
and then the five thing happens, right, and then they
get that whole episode where they feel like, oh, she
was a student to Beck and she's been covering this
whole thing the whole time, I'm like, oh man, this
is awesome. Because at first when she was trying to
get in the basement, me and Emily thought, okay, she's
here to take them down, and then she talked about, oh,
I'm just trying to sell book, and then we got
three episodes her just being with Joe, so I thought, Okay,
I guess no, I guess she is just like working
with Joe and starting to fall for him. Right. But
at episode five when ire Field all the whole time
she's trying to take them down, this is fucking awesome.
It's really cool. Fun way to tie to Beck who
will talk at later because there are other points on her,
but fun way to tie to that. But then when
she like, it's tough because it's not stock it is
Stockholm Sentermon in a sense, but it's not because it's
it's not like I know everything about Joe and I
still fell in love with it. It's well, I know,
like a version of Joe, and like, well, he kills
people because he's protecting the people he loves. So there's
like he's dark, but he's still good for me to
believe she's gonna actively really fall in love with him,
no tricks. I have to believe there chemistry, and I
just didn't there And I just that's where it felt
like the ten episodes of to Me, when the episode
five switch happened, I wish Bronte the whole time was
just on we're gonna get Joe, wont take him down
or do something where she's non the murder scene and
Joe doesn't know that she's a part of it, Like
that whole first three episodes, she's fallen in love with them,
and then we get the twists, and then she's fallen
back in love with him, and then the last year's
I'm taking Joe Down way too much of I think
lack of writing and lack of chemistry for me to
believe any of this, And I think the character is
like fine, but yeah, my least favorite of the you
and I just for multiple reasons, was not into this.
I actually think she's quite good in the finale episode
when it's her versus Joe, I think she delivered there,
but it just felt like I wasn't. I didn't care
about the character. Like when she fakes her death a
pond and we think, oh, Joe got her. I didn't
feel like this, like, oh my god, like he killed
another one, Like, of course I do, because it's a woman.
But no, in the sense like the other characters who
we lost. Oh that's what I was gonna say before
I hand it over with you, guys were talking about
Kaid and h Taylor're talking about how in the season
he felt like the end of last year where he's
gonna kill and that's just how he has it in
his mind, where that's what Kate wants again full circle.
He should have just tried to work out with Love
because that was the whole storyline of Love, that Love
always wanted to solve the problems with murder, and he didn't,
and now Kate is literally in the same situation Joe was.
But well, we're only to kill one was like really necessary,
and Joe's just full and blood thirsty. He really should
just stay like they should have figured that out because
he did become Love Quinn. He became, which obviously she
was not in the season, but I did like that
he referred back to her when he said, like, oh,
the last word she said was don't have her around,
like don't have Hendry around because he's gonna know your monster.
So I like that we got some the shout there.
I wish she could have came back. I was surprised
we didn't get hurt, and I was surprised we didn't
get Jenner or Taga as well too. I thought for
sure Netflix was gonna.
Speaker 3: Try she's busy with Wednesday.
Speaker 1: Well yeah, because they tried in season three to get
her and she couldn't. It didn't work out. But I
thought for the final season they were gonna get Ellie back,
but didn't happen. So but Bronte uh very mixed bay
and a weak point of the show, unfortunately for me.
Speaker 4: So yeah, yeah, I think I'm I think I'm there
with you. I it just seemed like at first, it
felt like they were forced feeding me another air quote
you you know into the season, it's like, for fox sakes,
like let's just end the show, like we gotta we
gotta come across another one.
Speaker 1: You know this, she's the young one. So it's like,
all right, yeah, okay, cool if we get it.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I agree with you with I felt like they
had a bit of a lack of chemistry there. So
when they like got into like the flirtatious thing. I mean,
it's good performances, but it just it was tough for
me to fully buy onto what they were selling. And
then yeah, they completely changed when I got that reveal
that she was actually like I was totally surprised by
that twist. When they came in with the camera on
like whatever, it was like TikTok live. I'm like, how
the fuck do you get out of this? Like this
does make any sense? Oh wait, they got the Lockwoods
and we'll just take it down, Like yeah, so I
guess that just worked, But it was still a good moment.
I think from that point on, though, they really should
have just had Bronte like completely against him, like I
I think you can have her second guessing it just
because it's it's kind of a serial killer thing, like
if I'm not mistakeing, it's like a Ted Bundy thing
right where they're like he's so handsome and like.
Speaker 1: Yeah, he's definitely based off of Bundany in a sense,
you know.
Speaker 4: And I mean even in the last episode they kind
of play on that of just people like whatever the
term is just apologizing for that behy or like.
Speaker 1: And they showed the social media right when they yeah,
the hot killer and stuff like that, and he can
strangle me, daddy, all that stuff like that exact we
see all the time, right and really sure, so.
Speaker 4: For sure, I I think I could have done a
little sliver though of her being like is this actually true?
Like I I did like that little moment of her
second guessing everything that's been going on, because it's it's
kind of just how like another reason why Joe is able.
Speaker 2: To fool people like so well, because he just.
Speaker 4: Has those traits of just playing people and just telling
people what they want to hear. And uh, yeah, I
liked when they were highlighting that. I really love the
sequence between her and Marianne, Like I thought that was
a really really powerful sequence, even.
Speaker 1: Though Marianne never once says like, oh, by the way,
he locked me up for three months.
Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, she didn't say that at all. I was
waiting for that moment, but she feels she didn't have to.
Speaker 1: Lead with that. You lead with that, and then yeah,
going to something else, because yeah she did turn Thank goodness.
I was worried when because I thought they were doing
like a Harley Quinn sort when he said when she.
Speaker 4: Says right, like that was the episode name when they're
like Bonnie and clyding it and uh, she said from the.
Speaker 1: Fire and I'm like, oh no, like fuck, we're gonna end,
you say. I thought, man, we're gonna end, and they're
gonna leave it open ended of like oh want to
Like I thought they saw Dexter New Blood Resurrection, like
we could do this in ten years from now with Joe.
So I saw it coming. I was like, oh, please
don't so yeah.
Speaker 4: So I think they just spent too much time of
her being on his side after that big reveal moment.
I mean, maybe that's how you get rid of two episodes,
just just trimming a lot of that down. There's probably
a couple other things you could do too, But even
the sequence when they like kidnap that that menaced or
whatever the hell he was the men's rights guy that
was going to kidnap her and then he was in
the box and it's.
Speaker 1: Just like she's like because that was the fully of
do episode. But that's why I was like, Okay, if
they're going to do the whole saw Comb syndrom, because
that happens, right they call her Manson girl. That's a
real life thing as people fall for their captive or
someone brutal, they don't see why. So it's like I
get this, But if it's someone that's still somewhat normal
and doing the whole like locking this person up, it's
like what, like, like what are we doing with Bronte
right here? And yeah, it was just a weird, weird choice.
And again it's hard for me to believe she'd ever
be int him because like anytime they talk about the stories,
each story leads like, oh, well that person went missing
or like, oh it's terrible Reagan. Right, It's like like
every story of Joe Goldbers's life ends with someone missing, dead,
or an accent happens. And that's where it's like, how
can you not believe, Like, Okay, maybe he didn't kill
Beck and Nikki's dad is you know the guy, Yeah
he's a victim, but like how many times is he
a victim? You know?
Speaker 2: So yeah, no, for sure, Uh, I think they had
something else on Bronte, but fuzzy on her right now,
So I'll let Taylor go.
Speaker 3: That, uh that men in this guy who's like pro
men's rights and whatever. That actor he's he's in Yellowstone,
He's he's a really really good actor.
Speaker 1: I enjoy that characters play a similar character.
Speaker 3: No. No, In Yellowstone, he starts off as like a
piece of shit criminal, but when he works in the ranch,
he becomes he becomes a cowboy, and he becomes a
really good married man, honest, und Earth's really humble, so
good character.
Speaker 2: That's probably what happened to this guy. You know, they
let him out of the box.
Speaker 3: Well remember Jill got murdered.
Speaker 1: Oh right, yeah, that's right, because that was get We'll
get there. I think there's some issues with Joe and
his like he's like I think like sixteen arcs in
this fucking season because like right after he's like finally
been accept by somebody, I no longer have to do this.
But then he's like, but I want to. And it's
like what, like I thought at the point of like
you finding Fronto and her accepting you, like they're trying
to make it seem like okay, because all these women
don't accept Joe, that's why he kills And then he's like, well,
I call Bronte. She accepts me, so I don't cause
she gives that speech right of like just because you
can fight for me doesn't mean you have to fight
for me, like I can fight my own battles. And
then he's like you're right, and then you five minute
he's like fuck you. You know kin napper guy. It's like, okay,
what is his arc? But uh yeah, I did like
when he's like, yeah, I'll make sure I just get
the right bitch next time. I was like, that felt
like such a u turn for what they're doing. At
the Character in the box, he's like, you're Ryan ever
all this, Like yeah, but I'm going fucking kill women.
It's like, why would you say that in that situation?
Like I said, Emily, why don't these people never lie?
Why don't they ever be like when especially when Maddie's
husband was tied up and he's like I don't know,
why would you not be like I'm with you, Joe,
let's do this. And then a week later be like,
guess what fucking happened to me? Police, Like Joe tied
me up? My wife is dead? Like these people never
think like that guy in the box was just something else,
but he was also I guess he was also in
Civil War.
Speaker 3: He was one of the opposite reporter team. Uh to our.
Speaker 2: Main reporting crew, he's shit, you know.
Speaker 3: Character yeah, but everything with Brontake, Yeah, I was not
feeling the draw to this character. And it's not the
actor's issue or problem. I think it just comes down
to the writing and how they were trying to make
this character cup across with this writing. But I think
that the actor or the actress I did a great
job at making me really dislike this character when they were,
like you guys already said back and forth, back and forth,
pro with the team taking down Joe to flipping around
and just like to get eaten out by him and
fuck him and then not be okay with him, and
then being okay with him, back and forth and just
so convoluted, and it was just really it started to
really piss me off that she was just falling for
this shit and all that. But I like that reveal
because when you learn, okay, like Clayton was just a friend,
and then Clayton was the son of the doctor, was
put away for the murder of Beck and all these
different things, it was all kind of tied together, and
I think that was that was a fun kind of dynamic.
But yeah, she just she wasn't making smart decisions and
she's so fucking lucky that she survived. At the end,
she shot Joe's dick off and then that phone. If
that phone didn't actually down nine one one, then she'd
be fucked. So she is super, super fortunate.
Speaker 1: That whole sequence. I know we're over about the ending
of the chase. When I fucking hope for Pim Badgerley's sake,
it was warm and that's some warm water, because that
was a long, long ass sequence to him just in
his boxers, and I've been in when we filmed something
on a tank top, like I'm fucking freezer right now,
So him out there in his boxes, I felt so bad.
I hope it's warm. Two definitely could tell he had
down the calendar because I've not seen pet and Badgeley
that jacked and like, oh quite a what, Like he's
never been a big guy, but when he had a
shirt off, he's like his his traps were like big.
I'm like, oh, he saw he's okay. June sixteenth week outside,
I'm eating a couple less chicken sandwiches that week. He's
looking good. And then three, so they I fucking hate
this whole thing. I know we're jumping to but so
bron they have a night together, right they're running away
and Bronte, I guess, has this plan of like she
you know, Joe can kind of pick up when she's
not feeling good, and she kind of looks at the
bed and she kind of says like inner monologue like
she has to do something before they get in the bed,
pretty much just saying like if they have sex, she's
not gonna be able to sell it, right, He's gonna
know something's up, even though they have this whole thing
about like they're looking at the galaxy and Billie Eilish
just playing and she's jumping on him like it looked
like they I was like, oh, is she completely like
falling for him again? I wasn't sure, but her like
mega plan is Joe's gonna be on top of me
and I'm gonna pull out a gun while he's inches
away from me and hold him up. Now, of course
in the show it works, but we've seen Joe multiple
times got out of way less.
Speaker 3: But she hasn't. She hasn't seen him get out of
those situations, right.
Speaker 1: But like, if you are now fully on board that
Joe Goldberg is this massive killer and look at the
amount of bodies he was he was a publicized eat
the rich serial killer in London he killed a mayor
candidate and got away with it. I'll see had some money.
But still to think, like at least when you think,
like wouldn't she want to be on top of him
or wouldn't it just be like wait till he falls
asleep or anything of just like hey, I'm gonna go fresh.
Speaker 3: He couldn't fall asleep. He had to line out all
of his additions to Beck's book, right, No, I meant.
Speaker 1: Like, if you just play along, you fuck him and
then you wait for you to fall asleep, wouldn't you
rather pull the gun then?
Speaker 3: Like like if I but she didn't want to fuck
him though, that's that's the other thing too.
Speaker 1: But you have like Aussie worked out. But like if
I say, you're with some of your if I give
you all these scenarios and won the scenarios, your attackers
on top of you also hard but on top of you,
that's when you want to pull the gun like like,
it just made no sense for Joe who many times
she's like grabs a gun, does this like you're gonna
be like like like why did he like it just
was silly And then Okay, the bad thing. I like
that take all the books stuff that works. But then
the actual chase scene of one they I can't remember.
They hit a lamp and that's all cool. The lamp's
going in and out, so you kind of see some stuff.
But at one point they like they're both like Joe,
She's running and then Joe's running. They're both outside, don't
know where the gun is. The gun's just like missing
for a while. I don't know why. The phones under
the bed. So they do this awkward thing where she
has to run out and Joe doesn't decide to get
the phone. She runs out, she hides behind a tree.
Joe goes out and he runs that way, and then
she runs in the house and then Joe sees her.
He runs back in the house and they end up
fighting exactly where they were fighting before. It feels like
in a situation where like we've been where it's like fuck,
like we forgot something or we don't have the set,
and you're just saying like how we do it? And
I feel like they're just on set, like how do
we do this? Well? What if they run out? But
then they run back in? Like it just felt like
a very awkward end fight scene, just like do the
full thing there and then get outside because they go
they start inside, they get outside, they go back inside,
they get back outside. Joe fucking rolling reign spears are
like three times.
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, it was quite a few.
Speaker 1: Yeah, especially she is the smallest woman they've gone to
play you yet, Like she's a petite lady. So Shell
is just like he's fucking in the way protein and
like the first one when she had the because that's
what happened. She has a gun and the spears were
down like okay, and then on his spears are in
the dock into the water, and then later on his
spears are to get the gun. I was like, fuck,
they're beating this girl up. So I just think like
the set was cool. I like the idea of like
the big yard in the house. I just feel like
it was a very clunky type of chase scene and
just like lots of stuff going on. But I did
like the end. I think him and Sean the dick
was like like perfect touch and fucking that same pen
in that state was great. Like everything from the phone
call to his son and that's like we'll get into it,
like I have other stuff to bring up with the
resolution of Joe, but like how upset he was and
he's like, oh, you know what happened to Gwen Gwine
of your Beck? Like and I did like her acting
when she's like, oh, that's the real Joe when he
just got full on like misogynistic, and he's like, oh,
I do everything, but you guys all fucking bitches, I
don't appreciate me. And that's where it's like, Okay, is
this Joe character like again, he's been fooling us of
like how much he really cares about when, which like
clear the answers, yes, But so there's some things I like,
it just just didn't believe. Bronte's like this is the
best you got. Hey, you're gonna wait till he's on
top of you. And Paul to gun like very misking
and not even why don't people ever kneecap these people
in the movies? Like that's the first thing I do
is Okay, we're gonna do Beck's book. I'm gonna fucking
shoot you in the foot right now, you know, watch
the Last of Us right, That's exactly even though I
did like the flashback to that he broke Bronte's foot
like a couple episodes before, just to ensure that she
didn't get away. That was a nice touch. It was
just like, oh my god, what a piece of shit.
So let's take an ad break and we'll talk more
about So we were back, Yeah, and we're back more
and Bronte en scene where we want to go. H.
Speaker 2: I remember what I was trying to say earlier.
Speaker 4: There's just a few moments when like the reveal happens
and then she's kind of just talking about like the ruise,
Like this is before she even is having like the
suay to go back on Joe's side, Like this is
when she's like straight up like, becos my friend, We're
gonna bring this guy down. And I think this is
when we're kind of seeing a lot of those feeling
in the gap moments where we're seeing it from her
perspective of like her being the fake character. And it
was just a little bit hard for me to be like, yeah,
this is a character putting on an act, Like it
just seemed like an actor playing the role of that character,
which we saw the first time around, really splitting hairs
and being hypercritical here. But I think when we got
the reveal, it just seemed as if it was like
a decision after the fact, like, well, let's just use
those scenes and say that she knew the whole time,
even though in the moment it just seems so genuine,
which is I mean, she's acting really well like making
those scenes feel genuine, But it's just another layer that
it seemed like they were missing after the reveal had happened. Again,
super hypercritical about it, but I think it just added
to my little bit a little bit of distaste with
just the flippy flopping of where her alignment really lined.
Speaker 2: That's it. That's it with Bronte for me.
Speaker 1: Well, I'll talk about bront again later, but yeah, anything,
I'm trying to think where we go or do we
just start demanding now?
Speaker 2: Well, I'll just quickly bring up Beck here.
Speaker 4: I thought it was really fun to go back to
like just the initial you character, because correct me if
I'm wrong. I mean, you just went through a Travis.
Does she appear at any point before, like beyond that first.
Speaker 1: Season, she's in every season? Actually, oh really, she's always
comes back and does she like talk to him? And
so in season two when he first starts loving on Quinn.
It's like a whole like, oh.
Speaker 2: That's so funny. I did not remember anything.
Speaker 1: I could be wrong about season three actually, but she's
for sure and four and she's for sure and two
and they're both in ghosts like forms like oh, you
shouldn't be doing this and you know how this ends
and stuff like that, which I actually thought they were
gonna show us how he killed her, which we know
was strangulation, but uh, they didn't. They didn't go there,
but I thought they were going to, especially when you.
Speaker 2: Want to see how I killed Beck.
Speaker 1: Yeah, even when she said that, he's like, oh, you,
you wouldn't want to know, I thought, because that's been
a big thing. We've never seen him kill like we
saw Candae, we saw love, we saw everybody else, but
with Beck they never showed that. And uh but they
still didn't.
Speaker 3: So I think a big thing with Beck too is
just always reappearing. Is she is, as far as we know,
his first kill. No, not true, No, who's the first kill?
Speaker 1: Well technically well technically yeah, it's his.
Speaker 2: It's his or not dad whoever that it's.
Speaker 3: No book.
Speaker 1: His mom is with an abuse.
Speaker 4: Of the parole officer. It was the parole officer. I
think because they brought him up, I know.
Speaker 1: Even before that, Oh really he killed he kills someone
like when he's a young and to protect his mom
because his mom's being abused, and that starts it. And
then you got to remember that the very first there's Benji,
the guy Beck was like dating at the very beginning,
they showed him this that he kills him before the
Pearole officer.
Speaker 3: Could even never tract our phrase. He tried to love
that he killed.
Speaker 1: Nope, he tried to kill Candace. He did not know
that candas like survived because he buried Candace and she
got out of there. So he tried. He tried to
kill Candace. He tried to like, which is funny. When
they tell all Joe's love, they never bring Candace into it.
Candace is the girl that happens before Beck, and in
season one they're used to like, oh, his last girlfriend missing,
and she's like, oh, yeah, she went traveling at d D.
And then in season two she dates Love's brother forty
to try and like you know, coax about or something.
So yeah, he did. He's tried to kill a woman
they loved, and he's killed multiple people. But for us
as the viewers, it's our first. You in my opinion,
it's the you know, it's our first.
Speaker 2: It was our first, yeah first.
Speaker 4: So yeah, I think just we already kind of talked
about the pairing of her and Bronte.
Speaker 2: That was a really fun touch. But I think this
season just did a really good job at.
Speaker 4: Kind of like highlighting that character and just like I like,
I don't know, I just see her as like the
first victim of Joe for what I've experienced through the show,
and like I liked her in this first season, but
like beyond that, like I didn't really think too much
more about it, like, especially because I haven't rewatched the season,
so here just really highlighting I think, you know, not
to sound too cheesy, but just kind of like the
beauty of that character, and especially when she's highlighting just
the distaste or like discussed that she has that Joe
like finished her book, like put his own words like
on that, and then you know, she makes him like
take that out, so and then.
Speaker 2: Like the whole rerates of the book.
Speaker 4: I don't know, I just thought that was a nice
little final touch for closing off this whole show and
then closing it off like with that Beck character and
like she finally got somewhat of a justice all this
time later. So yeah, I did really appreciate just the
whole back usage of this season.
Speaker 1: Yeah, which was good because I watched I'm not sure
if you saw those they I didn't watch all of them,
but they did like breakdowns, like five minute breakdowns after
each episode you could watch. There's like separate videos and
like the trailer section, and I only watched the free
uh not, but like sorry, they did one for each
episode after each episode, but they did a breakdown with
each episode five minute videos. So I watched the finale
and uh, whatever her name was, Elizabeth you or whatever,
lull or however your surname. Oh it was great. You Yeah,
she's She's like, oh, it's great. We could do this
with bet because so many people they you know, disliked
the Beck character, but she didn't deserve to die, and
the creates have some of that to say similar later
on too. I was like, oh, like, I'm a big
fan of you, but I guess I've never dipped my
toes into the the U fandom because they even do
that at the end, like the creators talk about that,
how they you know they even you talk about screw
where there's a lot of people that I like, not
iiholized Joe, but bring them up and everything, and they're
rooting for him and that last one with Joe, they
want to turn back on you. But I was like,
I feel even watching the show differently, I've been one
on joke, been taken down for a while. I never
thought like Beck deserved to die, Like I get it
because it's like, oh, we hate this woman against the protagonists.
But it's like, yeah, just be cause she, like I
don't know what she fucking cheated on Joe May was
slept around a little. It's like that don't doesn't deserve
to fucking like then you should have killed.
Speaker 2: Me twelve teeth. I think my actions are justified.
Speaker 1: If anyone's feeling bad for that guy, that's where you
really gotta look in your look in the mirror there.
But uh no, I really like that actress, and I
hope she does more than just fucking like five nights
at Freddy's. You know, I'm not saying she's gonna like
win an Oscar, but I saw you and I'm like, oh,
she's charismatic and like not like not trying to take
shots at anybody. For some reason, she just doesn't look
like she's aged at all, Like like Penn looks like
he's age other people, but like she looks like and
I'm sure's makeup, but like she looks like she's still
just in that first season of you just like fucking
frozen trapped. Yeah, yeah, but uh no, she's very agree
with you. I really like Bronte or you know, Louise
doing the whole like he took her voice. I think
that was even a bigger thing too, and not only
killing her just like just kind of making this fake
version of her that that's you know, it's he's killing
her twice in a sense, right, And yeah it's you know,
talking about the books sold and everything, and yeah, it
could have been some stronger stuff with her and Bronte,
but I liked that she he took out all that
stuff with the book. So anything on, no, you need
spoken back, you want to go, Taylor.
Speaker 3: I want to shut out. Sherry and Carrie making a
little cameo appearance.
Speaker 2: And that was good linked in the bio.
Speaker 3: Yeah, blender up.
Speaker 1: I was really worried when they talked about the book
because they're like oh, I read this in a book
that you have the cage down there, and he's like, oh,
it was my wife. I was worried that's all we're
gonna get from sharing Carrie, because I like, go, Okay,
that's it. But that's where so we can talk about
this because we start transitioning to the end here. Since
season three, I've been saying, Hey, we need a trial,
we need this to happen with Joe, we need to
see everything that's gonna go down. Now. We did get that,
but I'm gonna talk about my to stay later. But
what I think at least happened here is they didn't
want to do like a court room version of it,
even though I think you could have done at least
half an episode. So I didn't get the full on
trial I wanted, but I feel like I got like
the trial by social media, like I got the mini
version of that because it was bringing back like dozens
of characters to talk about, Oh Joe did this to me,
he did this to my friend, he did this, And
it's all characters from different seasons. Some you recognize, some
you don't. And I thought that was great and seeing
Joe just crash out while this is happening and everything
going on. I really like that. Again, I wish we
were got the full on trial because Bronte is like,
she says, like the whole thing. He doesn't want to die, right,
He's like, oh kill me. I deserve it. He doesn't
want to die. She wants to lock him up and
she's like, no, I want you to sit through every
store and hear all this, and she says that in
the monologue, but then only get is I'm just coming
out of the court doors, and it's like we couldn't
even got like a ten minute montage of this going
on with them. But I still like that they, like
I said, I will accept the what they did social
media because that's like a commentary on today, right, it's
like trial by social media people something hate bad happening,
and people have decided you're guilty before you've even gone
to speak. So I did like that aspect, and I
did like where again with Joe crashing out, He's like, no,
these people were innocent. They all deserved it if they
only knew my side. That started like a like all that.
I think Kirkland, you had said that. I can't remember
when we talked about that of me on a trial.
I was like, oh, well, I want like Breaking Bad
or I want like Dexter, where eventually these characters see
themselves in the mirror and they go, yeah, like I
deserve all this. Even Bronte said that right when she's
talking about Joe's fakes story of all this character is
he not gonna have a recting? He's like, oh, well,
I lost my son in my house. Is that not
a wreckting? But she's trying to hint like there should
be more coming to you for what you've done, right,
But Joe doesn't get that, And that scene did show
that didn't matter what people did, he didn't really get it.
And that's where I'm still conflicted with Joe how he ended,
because we have that moment where he gets off the
phone with his son and great scene where his son's like, oh,
you know, he took me to the bed and said
there's no monsters like you lied you were the monster.
When he throws down the phone, he like and Penn's great.
He's losing. He feels like a psychopath. He's losing. He's
shade and he's crying and he's like, how did I
become this? Like am I this monster, like I never
wanted to be this. I thought that was the moment
of him finally realizing fuck, like you know, because he
even says to Bronto, he says, do I deserve this?
I'm like, oh, he's he's finally it's cracked in and realized.
But then what happens is he decides, well, how I'm
gonna get this. I got a fucking tackle Bronte. So
that's where I'm still yeahs like the big spirit. So
even at the end when he's in the jail cell,
much how Joe's delusional, I feel like, and I guess
I'm not uh it's not a negative, but I feel
like they never It feels like when he's in the
jail cell, he's somewhat that thing of it, but he
still feels bitter about it. So I feel like he's
still torn character where he sees some aspects that he
knows he did wrong, but he almost like he feels
like this shouldn't be like this is too bad of
a punishment for him. Like it's interesting, and I thought
they were getting him the breaking point, So I would
have liked to see how it react to the trial.
But I did like getting all those characters or most
of them back, a lot of them back to come
shout out and you know, put the recting on Joe.
Speaker 2: So yeah, for sure, No, I completely agree. Yeah, I
don't know.
Speaker 4: I like the moment of him just alone in his jail, cell.
I was okay with him just kind of just being
Joe at the end play like, you know, not not
realizing everything that he did wrong, Like he realized the
situation he was in, but it wasn't like I'm a
terrible monster, like even after his son, his own son,
which he you know said multiple times, doing all this
for his son kind of highlighted that on him, Like
he still was just, oh, well this sucks. I'm lonely now,
you know. And he's just reading his book like he's
just that's just his life. So I I think it
was okay with it because it just seemed like such
a fucked up way to handle that situation.
Speaker 2: He's such a fucked up guy. So yeah, he's definitely
wacky in the brain.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I I think him getting that that not being
given the opportunity to die is good because you just
see him just freaking out like he wants to die.
So I don't believe he wants to die, but he's
saying wants to die, but not.
Speaker 2: To be lost the cowards way out, because.
Speaker 3: That's why, Now shoot me, shoot me? And what was
he do? He does the Roman reigns towards her.
Speaker 1: He tried it again. He tried.
Speaker 3: Yeah, lost his dick for it, but yeah, I think
that him being tormented by the idea of being in
this small cell, which again he's gonna have major PTSD
because he was locked in that little box by mister Mooney,
and then just the idea that he can't find his one,
that he's always in the hunt for right, it's just
trapped in this box forever and ever and ever. I
feel like though, that this ultimate ending with him is
open ended, even though it's him in jail. He can't
but I feel like something could happen where he could
and I don't know. I feel like if they wanted
to pull this character out of the box ten years
from now, I feel like there's a chance.
Speaker 2: I feel like they'll.
Speaker 3: Be you could see it. But anyways, that's that's the
later conversation I think with him and his fate right now,
I think it's fitting. I'm glad that he didn't technically
get get killed, and he had to face all these
different things. And when they were talking about the court room scene,
which we didn't get to see unfortunately, than just talking
about how it was super messy and all this stuff,
but the evidence was just mounting and mounting up. But
it does go to show you how if you play
your cards right, you can really sway. You know, a
group like online people or people were all like up
with him and like, oh you can kill for me, Yeah, yeah, YadA,
but people were when they were pissed off at him
and they were like coming forward accusing him. Dottie came forward,
all these characters came forward from his past and we're
making all these these claims he made. He had Maddie
help him with this. But he jumped into the spotlight
and did that online TikTok right where he was just
kind of like coming out and opening up to play
the victim and oh that that got me. He just
loses his ship. Maddie's looking at him like, what the
fuck's wrong with you? It makes you look pathetic and
and all that. Yeah, so that was that was good.
Speaker 2: That was good.
Speaker 3: But yeah, he just he plays it off really really well,
and you see people really starting to believe him with
all that. But I was trying to figure out I
couldn't necessarily understand how Bronte like spared him with the
cops after the accident where he kills Clayton, because he's like, yeah,
you protected me, and she's like, yeah, I she had
admitted that she did something to kind of protect He
said it was self defense, that's all she said, and
that's what she.
Speaker 1: Said that the guy Nikki sung, which again, they couldn't
get John Stamos back either, I guess because they said
that he got they let John Stamos out, but John
Stainmoles was like, I'm not because he came back for
season two, which was funny, so I thought we were
gonna see him again, but they said that he attacked
Bronte and Joe was just defending her.
Speaker 3: Did you did you recognize the cop that was interrogating Bronte.
Speaker 1: By the way, Yeah, from Big Reindeer.
Speaker 3: Big Reindeer. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I was trying to pinpoint it.
I was like, I can't.
Speaker 1: Yeah. I thought she was gonna be more on the hunt,
like I thought she was going to take over the case,
but she was just the interrogator. So I was like, yeah, okay,
so Netflix Family, I get it, but yeah no, So
for a couple of weeks, I guess they just thought
Nicki's son was murdered for self defense because of Joe
and everything. So terrible way to go out. So oh god,
oh I'll say this so I don't forget to me
how I think. So they do this whole montage right
you're talking, which I was for a second I thought
they weren't gonna show Joe in jail, which is like,
I get what they're trying to do of like show
the women in power. They beat Joe and all this,
and they're gonna put back on the viewers, but it's
like he's still gotta end on Joe, And then they
show the prison in jail, which I forgot to say
is a few things. One they said that he's not
allowed I think they said he's not allowed in general
pop so he is just like secluded by himself like that.
So that's one thing where we've told those many casts.
I'm you know, yeah, election going on. I'm pretty liberal,
I'm pretty with my rights and stuff like that, but
on death, dolding and stuff like that, I'm full on
that side there. This is a situation though, where actually
the guy's got no dick. So I've always said this
before that you know prisoners, they go in prison, they
can get off, they can have wargasz a good time.
Not Joe, no fucking dick. And now he can't talk
to anybody. He didn't get obsessed with a guy he
can't get because at one point, I swear I thought
I heard footsteps. I They're gonna end the show, like
he was gonna have like a therapist or something, and
I was like, oh, please, don't fucking do this. But
they didn't. It was just some guy just you know,
giving him a letter, like a book or something, and
that's it. But that this, this is the situation where
because most people be like, oh, Travis, we want Joe
to get killed, No, this is perfect. He's got no dick.
And what does Joe want more than anything to be
around people that converse, be charismatic, and he can't. He's
just fucking locked alone. So this is a situation where
I'm completely for Joe knock and the death penalty, and
he's just gonna sit there and rob And that's what
he said he's just like, oh, I couldn't prepare for
like how bad, Like he thought it was gonna be bad,
but then once he got there, he's like, this is
so much more worse. And that's where he's like, I
don't deserve this. It's like, oh, you fucking piece of shit.
Like there's so many times too where he's like even
what Bronte is like, Bronte gets me, she understands. And
this is where Bronti doesn't even know like half the
people he's killed, but he's always such a fucking loon
where he just like materialized things in his head. But
where I think, so, Dad, I don't think you're wrong
about sure, and actually wants a new boat. Let's do you?
Season six? He gets out whatever I could see it
or Henry's older. But I think what they set up
because I don't think they put this in here for
just a random reason. They're doing the whole montage and
they go to the podcasters and podcasts are like, yeah,
we work with Bronto whatever, Louise, and we did the
DA and then I go, oh, what else can you
tell us, Like, well, we've discovered doing this that there's
lots of people like Joe out there and we're looking
into many cases. I think that's what they did, where
you're gonna get like a you, but it will be
a new actor, new setting, new country even. I think
that's what they're gonna do. And I'm not saying Penn
could never come back. You could even be bring Pen
in that shows like someone interviewing him right, or you
could do it a sequel series. But I think what
they're gonna do is they're gonna at some point they're
gonna let the you know, corpse set a little bit.
But I think you're gonna get a you, and maybe
it's a woman this time, maybe it's an Asian man
or a black.
Speaker 3: I felt like they were gonna do with Bronte when
how Bronte started doing the narrations and I was thinking, Okay,
is she gonna kill him and she's gonna write the
book that she was wanting to write and publish it
and then she's gonna become like the victim new you killer.
Speaker 1: Well yeah, and they even did that too in season three.
There was a love episode where she did the narration
and that was always my pitch. Remember where I said, oh,
they should have killed Joe off in three and switched
it over. So that's why I think they're gonna do.
First is you're gonna see like you and then said
be like Semi cole on something else, whatever it is,
And I think that's what you're gonna do to me.
I think the money is do it from a female perspective.
I know that could be risky because the whole show
is about you. You're cheering for this fucking serial killer,
the psychopath. You don't get it. Like at the end,
I think it is a good thing of him bringing
these letters. It's like, maybe I wasn't the problem, it
was you. Good way to throw it back on the
list the viewers of like if any point you're cheering
for Joe, like we talked about against Beckett's, like you
you know you're on the wrong side of history there.
You gotta figure that out and think about, you know,
some life stuff, if you saw any of yourself in
Joe or you likes Joe, and I think that's what
they're trying. I had to do with Bronte as well.
I think they were trying to make her like a
fangirl the show of like imagine if you met that
badgely and he's this and that, but I just don't
think they fully delivered on that. But that, to me
is the pitch where I think they should. I think
they should do a female version, and I think that's
what they're gonna do, because why else would you have
these podcasts just be like, well, we've found out there's
many people like Joe, unless it's just like a way
to like try to warn viewers of like, hey, this
could happen to you, there's people out there. But I
think that's just the way because Penn hadn't many times
said like he won the show to end, so I
think I think they would have kept going if Penn
was down. But I think he was done with you know,
even in that behind the scene things, he's like, I
don't want to do anything with blood for like many years,
Like I'm over being covered in blood now. So that's
my predictions. You're gonna get you. It's gonna be a
female and then we're gonna go off from there. So
like it anything else we haven't touched upon.
Speaker 3: Lady Phoebe came back.
Speaker 2: That was cool.
Speaker 1: I was surprised. Yeah, I thought she was still at
the camp there quote that Marian's still oh yeah, still
sucking up the quote Marian said to Bronte said, you're
not stupid when they're talking the books thing, and I
was like, I just don't believe that. Just throwing that
out there, and that's all I had. I just didn't
believe that. More right, this is the section where she
was refalling in love with them. She's like, Ye're not stupid.
I'm like, I don't know. I think she kind of is,
you know. So we got to also, I can't remember
his name, but from you season two's little helper there
at the blonde hair and everything like that, that was
a guy that he had kidnapped and he had let
go and it did work out. So he was like
a kind of Joe actually letting someone go. And it's
funny because Dylan and I on that review were like, Oh,
I wonder if this guy's gonna come back and be
his helper, and they never did that. But then in
this episode they established that he's been helping Joe like
multiple times throughout the the series. I was like, Okay,
that's a fun time in there.
Speaker 2: So, yeah, I was so confused on who that guy was.
Speaker 1: Yeah, he was like a fixer that Joe like Soul's
identity for a bit, but then they came to agreement
and there you go. So I was sure if he
was gonna Tournham into the cops or not, because he
was looking very uh, I don't know, not trustworthy at times.
Speaker 2: But yeah, that's what he said.
Speaker 1: Right, all right, he did. Yeah, he paid for his
house with some of that Quinn money or whatnot. So
any Also, I'm sure we might miss something, but obviously
lots of episodes. I think we covered the the major stuff.
Speaker 2: Yeah, no, I think that's good. Close the chapter.
Speaker 1: Yeah, let's close this chapter because I don't think I
can't guarantee you we'll be here if there's a You
spin off, because I think I picture it would be
kind of like Original Sin, where you know, there's some
fun to be had, but I don't know where that
qual is gonna be. Or maybe that's a good thing.
If you do start with a new girl or a
new guy, that's where you know, you get to start
over in a sense. Right, But mister Patz or what
would you rate this season?
Speaker 3: Uh?
Speaker 4: Yeah, I know this is an interesting one because I
feel like my overall thoughts are more positive, like my, my, my,
overall school or I think is higher than what like
just judging the season at its own, which is kind
of countertooed because you're asked me to read just the season,
but like my thoughts are biased because this is closing
to the whole book, you know, so I kind of
have to look at it as a whole.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I think I'm gonna go like eight point five
honestly for this one.
Speaker 4: Yeah, no, I I think the performances is something that
really boosts up for me. And also just with Joe,
you know, getting getting what he uh what he deserves,
of having no wiener for every boner that he gets
just fucking hurts.
Speaker 2: Like that even works. I feel like the blood would
still want to go there.
Speaker 1: But like stump, Yeah, it's just like it's just like
this the thumb halfway, that's what it looks like.
Speaker 4: Yeah, the whole fists like knuckles and everything, that's just
what it is.
Speaker 1: That's a big stump.
Speaker 4: He had a big cocky the reason you know he's
getting all these ladies.
Speaker 2: H yeah, I no, so yeah eight point five. I
don't really know what else to say. I can getting tired,
but I'm sure I said it in this episode I'll
go next because.
Speaker 1: Maybe Taylor's higher than me. So because I think I'm
the lowest of you guys, I think I'll be generous
give it a seven. I was almost more like the
six point seventy five. But I enjoyed the ending. In
some episodes, there's just fun twists. Yeah, like I said,
I think there's some mess. I think there's some stuff
they could have cut. I think there's multiple characters where
the writing just wasn't there, but it's still fun show. Yes,
there was some repetition in some stuff, but I think
this was pretty much the right spot because I think
I said this in the season four review and I
was like, you have to end it now because we've
seen all this goes, and I guess I think we
all kind of felt like, Okay, if if Joe would
have got out of this and there would be season six,
that's where it's like, I don't know, there would have
been geek first reviews because I feel like you you're
getting it some territory of some questionable TV, and I
think this is the right spot to end it. And yeah,
so like I said, I'll give it a seven. Still
some fun moments like the twin Capcher, there's always things
with you. I think the other seasons had more of that,
but and overall, I'm yeah, I'm happy it's over. It's
like I said, right at the point where it's not overstaying,
it's welcome when the show finished, like, Okay, I'm happy
with this to move forward. And I'm not sure how
feel about when I see Penn Bagley and something next
in the future. It's just because he did. I know
he's been in many other things, but he did such
good job with Joe, And yeah, I still think it's
it's tough because I don't think season four and five
live up to that degree. But season one to three are,
for me some of the best seasons of TV. And
I think unlike you know, like stuff like the c
literature in this season where it felt very forced, I
think those first three seasons were really good at having
their finger on the pulse of things that were going
on in our society with dating and the men woman
dynamic and with creep guys, and I think they just
hit the nail. They had more than other places have,
and I think it was a star making show as well,
especially for a couple of people. So uh yeah, I'm
very happy with the show. I'll be excited to return
to it in the future. I did the rewatch, but
I don't need to rewatch it for a while now.
Seasons one to three some ultra great television. Season four
or five definitely lacking, but some good time because Yeah,
Penn badgley Man, he did a great job. It's much
like I've said this before, but it's much like Michael
clad Dexter. He's just fun with that character. Whatever way
he's written, he does such a good job with that character.
And in this season, I guess I would say this
is the most like Beastly, you get him where it's
always like Joe's on that line of going cracking. There's
many times even there's times where I felt like the
way he spoke sound closer to the ADR than ever.
And I feel like we got lots of ADR this
season where it was him very angry, which was not
the case all the time. I felt like we got moments.
So this was definitely like, Okay, the mask is if
if season four ended and you're like, oh, I want
to see what Joe's like, I felt like you got
that this season because there's times where before he'd be like, oh,
let me figure this out. This season's okay, I'll give
them fifteen minutes. If no, I'm gonna kill this man.
You love running front. You're like Jesus Christ like and
that's like a compromise for him. And it's like, no,
that's like a fucking that's worst case scenario. So seven
good time. You know, thanks for the memories. And these
were some fun moments and fun reviews and it's fun
gifts and memes and yeah, there's some great times with you,
and I think they ended just pretty much at the
right time. So, mister Field, and it's off here.
Speaker 3: I'm gonna give this a good old fashioned seven point five,
not too high, not too low. Yeah, this season is
a pick me up from its predecessor. And again, like you, Travisy,
it's a seasons one to three those are really really
really awesome. I like those and season four just it
stands out in retrospective just not being aces for me.
But it got us to where we are now. You know,
if we're back in New York where in some familiar
things that being said to everyone, they brought their a game.
I think badly. It's just phenomenal as this character. He
lives and breathes it. But yeah, it's it's it's interesting
to see if they are going to do something in
the future, which a part of me is partial of
the believing that they will absolutely because yeah, they kept
the guy alive, and maybe they're big fans of dexter
Resurgence or or whatever, who knows, but our new blood
new blood.
Speaker 1: Yeah, imagine Madge a dexter Mon Trinity killer from the
scut Man if they met him, the gel Prado skin
funck Man, I would love to be Jimmy Spins and yeah,
but you could be right, could be reason that left them,
Like I think, no matter what you see the U Brad,
even if they did like remember, uh, I guess Terry
sawt too, but I remember fucking El Camino. You can
even do that in the future, right of like a
two hour movie with Joe or something like that.
Speaker 3: Yeah, that's true.
Speaker 1: There's definitely avenues too. And ask him ten years now.
I think he's sick of the role right now, but
years ago later, you could be Michael Seal. It's always
something in the back you can break out, you know.
Speaker 3: Yeah, Yeah, but that's that's it. It's it's a. It
can be a heavy show. And like when it's Sunday
at like eleven am to two pm and you're watching
like four episodes, it's like fuck, you just start to
feel like shit because it's not a mentally healthy show.
There's just Joe is not a healthy character. There's a
lot of really negative stuff going on. But I am
happy that it has it has come to an end
for now. We've got our got our ending and we
finished off the the review in full.
Speaker 1: Yeah we did, and not to see. But I feel
like other than like I know, Tarror and I might review,
we'll probably review the Stranger Things, but I think they're
spliting in the two and maybe squid Game, but it's
kind of the ending of an era or two because
it feels like lots of streaming stares other Netflix and
the show's we reviewer going back to the one episode
drops or like you know and Ors three. That's a
rare but there's not many binge reviews we do anymore.
Speaker 3: You know, so and especially after season four of You
because I was part one, part two, so we did
two reviews for that, didn't we Yeah.
Speaker 1: We did because they were sped by a month. So yeah,
I know it's kind of a end of an era
there of a certain times Geek Versus's funny with Daredevil
coming back that used to be binge. So we'll see
and who knows, maybe in five years of Geek Versus
still ticking and Joe finds God or her breaks out
of there, or we'll see a new show is who knows,
But we hope you enjoy this. Go back and watch
or listen to all the other reviews and let us
know what you thought about on Discord or whatever. And
I promise we hear for us next. It'll not be boring.
Speaker 2: Bye bye bye,