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Speaker 1: Hello, ladies and gentlemen. And where you saying that about

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this show? Who knows? Because we are back who knows

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a couple of years ago, but we are back to

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sunset Joe Goldberg, Will Benhamheim, whatever fucking other names he had.

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I am the trial Master trest now and I'm joined by.

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Speaker 2: I am the Bronte Sourus KIRKLM. Patzer.

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Speaker 3: I'm your boo boo Taylor Field.

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Speaker 1: See, you guys have good ones. You know why because

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I watched this. I finished the second day. Came on.

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You guys more fresh than me. So when I got

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to the nicknames, like, I have no fucking clue. This

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show is like two months old to me. Now, don

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you guys delame me? Mission impossible, delame me on this

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my god like settled down, come down, come down, works

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from home. But nope, yeah I do. Uh but ladies, Joman,

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yes we're here. You can go back. There is a vert.

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This show has been going on for a walk, and

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someone get me the date because I feel like this.

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All the reviews have had like very different people on

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twenty eighteen. Okay, not as old as I thought, but

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still coming on. You know, a couple of years to

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a decade, but so we do have a review for

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every season out there. I think season three is when

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it started to be US three, but dyl was on

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some of them, Jessica was on some of them. I think,

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I don't know if Kyle snuck on them. Riggs might

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have been on them. So yeah, a whole bunch. But

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the past couple of years we've been doing this one

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and we're here so as usual, we're gonna give our

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non sport thoughts of what we thought of the season

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and ending. But that section is probably not gonna go

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in too long because I feel like it's hard to

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have about the season with this boy as it is

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they final season. But yeah, so mister Pats or what

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did you think of you season five? Do you feel

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fulfilled with the ending? Because obviously season four I think

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was rocky for US. It didn't keep up the quality

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of the first three seasons, but we like, okay, they're

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still ending at a point where they can bring home.

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shows where it's like, oh, season seven, season eight, We're

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just going going so okay, season five can probably reel

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back in and was this reeled in? Or did the

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fish take you overboard?

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Speaker 4: Did the fish take me overboard? I don't know if

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it took me overboard. It definitely a wet on that

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on that boat. I think ending I think it did

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a good enough job at concluding this story for Joe

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Goldberg and you overall. I definitely think this is like

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while watching this season, I could feel that, like, man,

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content of this show is definitely in the past, and

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I am glad that we're ending it here, We're not

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trying to keep going with this adventure. I think there's

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just moments of the show in general, which is like

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a nice little kind of way to send it send

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it off of just going full circle, going back to

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the beginning again. I I definitely was surprised by a

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few things that happened in here, and that was nice

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a pretty good understanding what's happening, and that totally flipped

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surprised there. Yeah, and I don't. I don't really have

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any major issues with the way that it ended. I

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like some little nitpicks here and there, with maybe just

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some inconsistencies with the certain characters motivation. You know, I'll

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detail that we and get there. But yeah, no, I

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thought this was really good. Performances wise, thought, I thought

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they were really really good. I think the actress I

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any other names, but the actress that played Kate. I

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actually think this was like a better performance for her

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in this seasons. Her last season she was like MVP

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satisfied with it. But I don't think I'm gonna be

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looking on it of like, man, season five of you

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like that was spectacular, Like that's out of ten. It's like, man,

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kind of just talking about the show in general. Definitely

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some good moments, yeah, some shocking surprises, but really solid.

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Speaker 2: Was ten episodes.

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the ten episodes and good lengths overall. Yeah, I think

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Speaker 2: Just just skip it go ahead to new Blood or something.

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Speaker 1: So yeah, Joe new Blood coming uh into a theater

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Speaker 2: It could happen.

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Speaker 4: I know, we'll see, I'll I haven't paid attention to

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like what this has been doing. I know Netflix numbers

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wise are always just a mist We don't know exactly

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what the numbers are for Netflix, but I don't know

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what the general buzz is because it seems like you

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people are infactuated by his handsome, good looks and his charisma.

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kind of gets built up around the character of Joe

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Olberg and you and you know, Miler spoilers, it's it's

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it's kind of funny how they they talk about some

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filler because it's all one cohesive narrative for sure, but

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dragged out in developing certain things and developing certain characters.

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Speaker 1: Would your nickname be one of them? Because I would

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story probably midway throughout the season.

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it was long and it didn't amount to anything so.

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we talk about Dexter later seasons, when it gets very unbelievable,

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door where I feel like with you maybe didn't in

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the future, But I digress.

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Speaker 1: Do you think before you go? Do you guys think

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that was the cliffhanger we're not gonna say it was,

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like a mid season finale. But then you just pick

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a consistent here's the story, but who knows.

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closing that was not a full on like repetition of

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previous seasons. Well, there's familiar beats, it still manages to

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four seasons of being very similar, Like, Oh Joe sees

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this girl and then that's what happens, He's falling in love.

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the number we would be, not on like the rating,

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in a similar rating standpoint, but just things that we

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maybe enjoy more than others. But yeah, I agree with Kate.

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like completely love. So I did rewatch the entire show

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on its own merit was good, but that's why I

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it's so funny where we started that you, oh, this

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year where we're getting our second sequel series of Dexter,

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where Michael C. Hall is back. So it's funny in

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the time span that you've been here, Dexter was gone

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and he's come back twice now. So it's just funny

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how like entertainment works. That's why, like Luke Skywalker says,

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for characters, no one's ever really gone that same thing

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with ip, you know. So that's why I believe, no

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matter what happens, I think you'll see something you related

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cusp of we're getting into We got no material that's

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really that good. The things are really cheesy. Everything that

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there's some writing, but the show just it doesn't feel

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as clever as it used to. And that's a problem,

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but there's still lots of beats of Joe meets a

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girl and he gets obsessed and he does this and

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he spends three episodes being like we're just gonna be friends,

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and something happens and that girl doesn't know he's a

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bad guy, and then there's signs. But the problem is

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like we'll get to spoils too. But it gets less

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believable when the girl's falling in love with the guy

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and it's like, hey, this guy's been connected to like

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fifty dead people, where like with Love it did matter

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because Love was a fucking psychopath, right, And then even

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with Mary Anne, it's like, okay, there's like one connection

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the dead wife, but it's like that could happen right

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even back that's one off. There's just certain things where

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was there was some leaps and bounds in the first

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earlier seasons, but you could kind of manage it or

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expect the kind of oh Joe's a little lucky to

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get away with this right where this season and even

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four it's like you need fucking eight horseshoes up your

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ass to get away with a lot of this stuff,

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and it just kind of works out, And especially when

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they're in big cities like New York, which camera is everywhere, right,

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so there's like half the stuff they're doing is like

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you'd be cann a day like Joe would be done,

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but you just gonna have some fun and go along

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with it. But yeah, I think, I honestly think I

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because I'm in Taylor's camp. I think ten was too much.

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I think there's multiple story lines that going too long.

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we have to extend them. Especially, i'd say the Bronte character.

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what to do and they're just like, well, let's make

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her feel this way. And then it's like, actually, let's

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make her just return her back to what we're doing

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with her, and so like that's a weird kind of

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sideway we went, and I wish there was like a

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I don't think you could do this, but maybe someone

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out there can do it for me, is lead seasons

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one to three as themselves and then give me like

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a super cut of four and five, like make four

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and five the fourth season and that's right. But yeah,

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because I think you still needed some of the England stuff,

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but even that went on longer. I did like it

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a bit better on a second rewatch, but there's so

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much stuff that didn't need it. And even then too,

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we're there've been like three seasons of dealing with super

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rich people, and that theme got a little repetitive of

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like him and Love Win of the Suburbs, right, and

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then with the Eat the Rich killer in season four,

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rich people. So it's a lot of those like isms

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that I'm not watching White Lowis right now, but I've

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heard that too, where it's like that's a lot of oh,

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rich people are bad, and I'm you know whatever, of

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course eat the rich that expression where people talk about

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these people are really well off, should we feel bad

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for them? I'm not saying that, but once we're a

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third season of view of Joe dealing with like that's

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that's always what it is, is, right, Well, you're rich

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and you don't know any better, and you're a piece

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of shit. It's like, okay, I got a Joe, you

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don't like these rich people, but it's like you are

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now on the rich people, so I'm happy with the

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ending overall. I think we'll tell Abot sports. I think

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they got to a good point. I think it was

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a bumpy road, but I still think they they got

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the win. It's funny because I did go back and

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listen to our season four review because I was like,

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what did I think about that? And because that's what

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we all liked the back half more. And I'm bringing

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that expression back that I used, right, I said, yeah,

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we got the win, but it was a very bumpy road,

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like we won by one point in the last, you know,

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a few seconds of the game. Because I think it's

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I don't know. I think it's kind of on par

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with last season. I think they both had their strengths

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and I both they both had their weaknesses. I will

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give this credit though, that I think they did a

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very good job of tying many things together throughout the

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whole show. And that's one thing I desperately hated about

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the Dexter final season, the ending that that's why I'm

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excited about Batista coming back, because that was never talked

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about on the original show. Batista just had his own

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fucking side quest where like Quinn's fucking his sister and

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that's drama. It's like when Dexter was ending, you feel

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like everybody should be involved in that, and it really wasn't.

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Where this it felt like, Hey, everybody that's alive, even

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some people that are dead, they're other than they apparently

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could not get love Quinn back. That's not a spoiler,

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but like even the thumbnail for the show, so all

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his girlfriends are there except for Victoria Petrini. I'm like, okay,

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she didn't want to play ball or comeback. But other

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than that, everything's on the table. So and I think

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they did the classic Taylor will not this. I'm not

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sure Kirkland News scream fan you watch screams at all.

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Speaker 2: I've seen one or two, mostly scary baby stab.

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Speaker 1: Yes. Yeah, but like Jamie Kennedy talks about, this doesn't

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completely work. But in the third way he talks about

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horror trilogies, you always gotta go back to the original,

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you gotta go back to where it started. And I think,

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like Kirkland said, they did a good job of going

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back to where the Star went certain aspects of tying

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directly to season one and going Okay, this feels like

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a semi complete story, even if it doesn't get there

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the cleanest, and yeah, no, I'm gonna miss seeing pen

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in the scroll. But at the same time, this is

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good spot to end it. Five seasons. That's enough. I

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can always go back, and I luckily, I think this

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season ended in a goodenough way and it's still strong

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enough that if I rewant, if I want to rewatch

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the show, I would still watch four and five. If

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five suck. I already told this guy I was gonna

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rewatch seasons one to four, and when Joe jumped off

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the bridge, I was just gonna stop it there, like

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what I do with Dexter now. Dexter to me now

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ends season five, episode one, when he buries Rita, and

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then we go write in the New Blood. That's my

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new Machetti order, Like, I don't need to watch all

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this stuff. And that's where I think, at least season

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five was good enough that Okay, I can watch the

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full journey, even though I can get a pretty pretty

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messy season. There's a lot of a lot of stuff

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going on here that I didn't think was needed. But

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uh yeah, I'm I'm happy with what they ended the

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story and where we ended it, So anything else non

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spoilers before we continue on. Alright, going once, going twice,

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we're gonna take our first AD break, and then we'll

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be right back and we're back. I don't know why

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my brain took over. I was gonna go fucking hit

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the end stream, but no idea why my brain was

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cocking it up. So and thank god it didn't.

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Speaker 2: But uh, yeah, I don let's start again.

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Speaker 1: Yeah I didn't like my take. Let's I got another

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twenty minute rant, but no, let's go. You can go

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of other stuff going on there to check that out.

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This week we got Thunderbolts. We got Weekly Geek with

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Kirkland and Dylan Muss, which I think is gonna be

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a really juicy, pleasurable episode. You got check Out after nine.

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That was tons of fun. We watched Top Secret, We

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got and or Last of Us. Lots of good stuff cooking,

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and right now you can go there and suggest us

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movies for nineteen ninety four. That's our Golden Geeks're gonna

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be doing it for the ten year. So lots of

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good stuff there. That's the best way supports. If you

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multiple benefits. Nice. Try I try to crack me there,

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Try to crack me there. Did good?

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Speaker 3: You did good?

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Speaker 1: Good? Yeah? So yeah, where do we start with the

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final season of You? There's a lot of places to go.

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Speaker 3: I want to I want to pick a spot here.

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Henry is just thrown right back into the mix here,

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which really caught me off guard. I was not expecting

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that whatsoever. I thought he you know, we haven't seen

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him since season three. He was locked away with you know,

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the new parents.

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Speaker 2: But you just.

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Speaker 3: So he was given, he was given. But yeah, it's

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just I felt I felt bad for him because it

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was like, yeah, he's just ripped away from from his

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two parents and now Kate is the mom and Joe's

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back to being the dad, and it's just I guess

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money does whatever money wants to do. But yeah, that

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just caught me off guard. So what do you guys

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think about it?

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Speaker 4: It was it was a fun, dynamic to have in

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the season, Like it just added a lot more of

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like a just a big variable I think to the

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overall situation because like, Okay, Joe is a bad guy,

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like I'm wanting him to go down, but then you

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throw in like this kid aspect and like all the

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all the stuff with him reacting or just his motivation

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around Henry, like it felt very genuine. I don't know

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how like it's probably just some fucked up whatever he

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has around with Henry because like clearly he says like

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I'm doing everything I can for my son, but then

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he's like murdering people and just like putting like like

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just yeah, he's just ruining this child's life forever.

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Speaker 3: It's sad uncle.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, like his runaway plans don't include his son ever,

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like he just like yeah.

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Speaker 4: But but I did like just the dynamic of it,

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like it was just a big I don't know, firecracker

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in the season of like how are they going to

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handle this situation? And I think for how it was

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done in the show was pretty enticing. But yeah, in

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terms of just him just getting thrown back into the

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mix in the season, it just seemed like it was

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like a string of like Oh yeah, the Lockwoods are just.

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Speaker 2: Infinite money glitch and they can just do whatever they want.

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Speaker 4: And that's kind of something that started from last season,

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right when they just cover up everything that Joe did,

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like he's Joe Goldberg again, like they just that's just reality.

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And obviously that started from last last season. In this season,

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it happens a few times of like Kate, Kate is

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gonna call her person and just figure out the situation.

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Speaker 1: Even Joe, even when he's like quote unquote cut off,

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he's still just throwing money around wherever. You know.

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Speaker 4: It doesn't like he's buying Bronte like shit, just with

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Kate's card. Yeah, Like I'm glad that we have this

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carte blanche at the end of the show, you know

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what i mean, Like this would have been so annoying

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if we were going on like three seasons and Kate's

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just like, oh, yeah, no.

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Speaker 2: You you you know you need you need.

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Speaker 4: To get something covered up again, Like we're just gonna

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transport you to this other country and we're just gonna

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expunge everything, or might not even have to because we'll

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just stay in New York because no one can get

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us here.

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Speaker 2: Even though you're Joe Goldberg.

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Speaker 4: So yeah, I think there was many times it annoyed

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me overall, just just without easily some of those situations

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were being resolved, but didn't overstate it's welcome too much.

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Speaker 1: But yeah, yeah, I wasn't expecting Henry. When they do

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their whole little montage, they're just oh, and I got

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my son back. It's like, oh, you got your son.

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I knew the son was in this season, but I

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thought it might be a dream sequence or something else.

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I'm of multiple minds with the son. I think the

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only reason they make it seem like Joe cares about

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the sun is just because they put all that on

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Pim badgely the act, and he does a great job

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that way. But I think in the writing it's not there.

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I'm not saying that's a bad thing, because I'm not

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saying Joe should care about his son because the way

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he is, but I think it's just there's like multiple

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episodes the son just is not around. He's just he's

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not with Kate, he's not with Joe. And I know

474
00:21:37,920 --> 00:21:39,759
somebody be like, well they're rich and he's with the butler,

475
00:21:39,799 --> 00:21:41,640
but it's just like, well, that's hard for me to

476
00:21:41,640 --> 00:21:44,039
believe like both these people care about this kid, right,

477
00:21:44,160 --> 00:21:46,599
Like there's just so many times where Henry's just missing

478
00:21:46,640 --> 00:21:48,880
r ap Piers once and I don't know if he

479
00:21:49,000 --> 00:21:52,279
needed to be back. It worked, like sometimes it works,

480
00:21:52,279 --> 00:21:54,640
sometimes it didn't. It felt like a hassle. You know.

481
00:21:54,839 --> 00:21:57,200
It's much like when dexterad Harrison early on. It's like

482
00:21:57,200 --> 00:21:58,960
Harrison would go missing and that's just a tough thing

483
00:21:58,960 --> 00:22:00,839
when you pair them with like a young kid who

484
00:22:01,279 --> 00:22:03,319
has to be watched by his parents. It's always the thing.

485
00:22:03,359 --> 00:22:06,240
And even Joe was like he's out late hours, he's

486
00:22:06,279 --> 00:22:08,880
sleeping over in his fucking book hotel, being like, oh

487
00:22:08,880 --> 00:22:11,839
it works late. It's like how's work late for the

488
00:22:11,880 --> 00:22:16,599
fucking you know, like grand opening, But other times like

489
00:22:16,640 --> 00:22:18,759
I'm sure this bookstore is open, like what nine ten

490
00:22:18,759 --> 00:22:20,480
and he's getting home with threes like all late night.

491
00:22:20,559 --> 00:22:23,359
Like there were a couple of weird choices that Kate

492
00:22:23,440 --> 00:22:26,599
doesn't have a scene with Bronte till like the episode

493
00:22:26,640 --> 00:22:29,880
she dies, very odd that like, at no point they

494
00:22:29,880 --> 00:22:32,359
have this whole scene where Kate's crying with Teddy about

495
00:22:32,400 --> 00:22:34,799
oh he's cheating on me that, but she didn't confront him.

496
00:22:35,119 --> 00:22:37,799
She didn't even go into the fucking bookstore, like Joe's

497
00:22:37,880 --> 00:22:41,240
just like running wild out there doing whatever. And I

498
00:22:41,319 --> 00:22:42,960
kind of didn't like that Kate ended up with the

499
00:22:43,039 --> 00:22:46,160
kid at the end, Like I here's saying I think

500
00:22:46,200 --> 00:22:50,000
the acting of Kate was better or just like she

501
00:22:50,240 --> 00:22:53,519
had better material that worked for her the character. I'm

502
00:22:53,680 --> 00:22:56,960
very iffy on as well, because I just feel I

503
00:22:57,079 --> 00:23:00,920
felt her ending dying in the fire was a worthy end.

504
00:23:01,039 --> 00:23:02,720
And I think at the end when she's like, well,

505
00:23:02,759 --> 00:23:05,279
she shows her scars, they didn't give her like a

506
00:23:05,279 --> 00:23:07,279
face scar. She's like one arm in her arm that

507
00:23:07,319 --> 00:23:09,519
she can hide up, like she's a great looking woman

508
00:23:09,920 --> 00:23:13,200
and like she's still like a billionaire. She has Henry.

509
00:23:13,240 --> 00:23:15,720
So even at one point she says like we should

510
00:23:15,720 --> 00:23:17,960
have left him with those two men they loved, you know,

511
00:23:18,000 --> 00:23:20,200
they could give him the love we couldn't. So at

512
00:23:20,240 --> 00:23:22,759
the end when she could now, I'm gonna keep him.

513
00:23:22,799 --> 00:23:23,960
I'm gonna keep Henry. You know.

514
00:23:24,240 --> 00:23:25,799
Speaker 3: I just feel like, well that was if she died,

515
00:23:25,880 --> 00:23:28,839
if she died, he was gonna go back, yeah, well,

516
00:23:29,000 --> 00:23:30,960
or if she was gonna go to prison, that's right,

517
00:23:31,200 --> 00:23:31,440
it's what.

518
00:23:31,640 --> 00:23:31,680
Speaker 2: No.

519
00:23:31,720 --> 00:23:34,160
Speaker 1: When her and Joe were arguing though, of him. She

520
00:23:34,359 --> 00:23:37,079
was saying that we shouldn't have brought Henry into this situation.

521
00:23:37,480 --> 00:23:39,279
We should have just left him with those two guys.

522
00:23:39,279 --> 00:23:40,599
So I just felt like, still at the end, she

523
00:23:40,599 --> 00:23:43,720
should have that epiphany like this is someone that knowingly

524
00:23:44,519 --> 00:23:46,759
killed kids for a project, you know, so ohah blah

525
00:23:46,799 --> 00:23:48,960
blah blah, I did this this, And I just didn't

526
00:23:48,960 --> 00:23:52,079
buy the turn of episode one Joe. I didn't buy

527
00:23:52,079 --> 00:23:55,680
the full turn where finale we talked about last season,

528
00:23:55,880 --> 00:23:58,839
Joe's evil, He's just accepted he's got money, and Kate's like,

529
00:23:58,880 --> 00:24:02,000
you do your thing, gonna run the world. Episode one,

530
00:24:02,240 --> 00:24:05,000
Kate's fully on board. You know, my uncle fucking killed him.

531
00:24:05,039 --> 00:24:08,359
Do whatever. Episode two, Nah, this is not for me anymore.

532
00:24:08,440 --> 00:24:10,960
It just felt like such a sudden that felt like

533
00:24:11,039 --> 00:24:14,200
they wanted more seasons and whether they want to end

534
00:24:14,200 --> 00:24:15,920
it or okay, I think Penn badgery because he had

535
00:24:15,920 --> 00:24:17,240
so many times like I'm ready for the show, and

536
00:24:17,319 --> 00:24:18,960
whether he was like I don't want to continue on.

537
00:24:19,559 --> 00:24:22,920
It just felt like the switch of Kate wasn't justified.

538
00:24:22,960 --> 00:24:25,079
So even then, like I don't know how innocent her

539
00:24:25,160 --> 00:24:26,640
uncle is, but still he wasn't to the amount of

540
00:24:26,680 --> 00:24:29,480
what Joe was doing, and she like ordered his assassination

541
00:24:29,599 --> 00:24:31,720
by the end of the show, a pretty good deal

542
00:24:31,759 --> 00:24:34,119
for her. She's still got the kid, still got her villains,

543
00:24:34,240 --> 00:24:38,039
Like she's fine, Like she's selling art again, She's like

544
00:24:38,119 --> 00:24:40,559
has all these connections. So for me, actually thought, even

545
00:24:40,599 --> 00:24:42,759
though I liked her acting, I thought it would have

546
00:24:42,759 --> 00:24:44,559
been more fitting as she also died in the fire

547
00:24:44,599 --> 00:24:46,640
and Henry did go back to those two guys, because

548
00:24:46,640 --> 00:24:49,519
it's just she's also done some bad shit. And again, yeah,

549
00:24:49,559 --> 00:24:51,799
I just didn't buy her turning on Joe. I thought

550
00:24:51,799 --> 00:24:55,000
it was really really fast, especially with last season, and

551
00:24:55,039 --> 00:24:56,599
even the star of the season felt like that was

552
00:24:56,640 --> 00:25:00,559
the whole point that she accepted his dark darkness and

553
00:25:00,599 --> 00:25:02,640
then it was no more, you know, So.

554
00:25:03,440 --> 00:25:05,359
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's fair. I think I agree with you for

555
00:25:05,400 --> 00:25:06,079
the most part.

556
00:25:07,160 --> 00:25:11,160
Speaker 4: I think, like I agree with the statement that her

557
00:25:11,200 --> 00:25:13,759
performance was better than like what was written for the character,

558
00:25:13,839 --> 00:25:17,000
Like she just uplifted everything around it, which was fantastic

559
00:25:17,400 --> 00:25:19,279
because if you would have had a lesser actress like

560
00:25:19,319 --> 00:25:20,119
in that role.

561
00:25:20,039 --> 00:25:21,720
Speaker 2: Would have been a very forgettable character.

562
00:25:21,839 --> 00:25:24,160
Speaker 4: It's like, man, this is just lady with a blank

563
00:25:24,240 --> 00:25:25,880
check that just bails them out. You know, like it

564
00:25:26,680 --> 00:25:29,519
nothing really to write home about, but I think doubling

565
00:25:29,599 --> 00:25:33,160
down on just the exceptional acting that she was doing,

566
00:25:33,240 --> 00:25:36,759
Like I feel like I was being bought into her

567
00:25:38,000 --> 00:25:40,440
kind of how it played out for her, like like yeah, there,

568
00:25:40,680 --> 00:25:43,319
it seems a little bit abrupt at times, but it's

569
00:25:43,319 --> 00:25:47,559
also like she's trying to just like she's under so

570
00:25:47,720 --> 00:25:50,599
much pressure with being the CEO of the company. She

571
00:25:50,680 --> 00:25:53,400
has a terrible family, you know, for the most part,

572
00:25:53,599 --> 00:25:57,279
most I guess mostly Reagan just this like evil lady

573
00:25:57,400 --> 00:26:00,240
that is just constantly a thorn on your side, try to,

574
00:26:00,680 --> 00:26:04,400
you know, dig up the skeletons in your closet, like

575
00:26:04,480 --> 00:26:07,039
twenty four seven. You just have all these like other

576
00:26:07,079 --> 00:26:10,799
anxieties and pressure of just like marrying this sociopath. Like

577
00:26:10,839 --> 00:26:12,680
I guess at this point she doesn't fully understand the

578
00:26:12,720 --> 00:26:16,039
extent of it, but I think I believe that she

579
00:26:16,160 --> 00:26:18,119
kind of puts this veil on a lot of that

580
00:26:18,240 --> 00:26:20,960
stuff in the sake of her just being in love

581
00:26:21,039 --> 00:26:24,400
and like just picturing this life of like I can

582
00:26:24,480 --> 00:26:27,079
just have this perfect marriage, this perfect like son that

583
00:26:27,079 --> 00:26:29,039
I'll be raising if we just kind of let this go.

584
00:26:29,400 --> 00:26:30,839
Speaker 2: And I think I did.

585
00:26:30,720 --> 00:26:34,720
Speaker 4: Believe that she thought that Joe like was genuine with

586
00:26:34,799 --> 00:26:37,920
him saying like it was just an act of whatever

587
00:26:37,960 --> 00:26:39,799
it was, the terminology they says, it's just like a

588
00:26:39,799 --> 00:26:42,200
one time thing essentially for these murders, Like it's just

589
00:26:42,240 --> 00:26:45,720
like random chance on how they happened. Let's let's just

590
00:26:45,759 --> 00:26:47,319
move past it and move on from that point. Like

591
00:26:47,319 --> 00:26:49,400
I feel like I did believe her for that reason,

592
00:26:49,720 --> 00:26:52,960
but then once it just gets too intense, like too real,

593
00:26:53,000 --> 00:26:56,039
like she they actually killed her uncle, Like she can't

594
00:26:56,039 --> 00:26:58,319
sleep at night, like she's just having cold sweats, Like

595
00:26:58,359 --> 00:27:01,119
it's the Lady Macbeth thing where she is just you know,

596
00:27:01,759 --> 00:27:04,119
trying to wash the blood of the metaphorical blood off

597
00:27:04,119 --> 00:27:06,119
of her hands like twenty like all the time, but

598
00:27:06,160 --> 00:27:09,759
she just can't. So I think I believe the performance

599
00:27:09,799 --> 00:27:13,240
of her saying that of just like I thought I

600
00:27:13,240 --> 00:27:15,319
could do this, maybe I can't, Like this is bad,

601
00:27:15,960 --> 00:27:16,720
let me handle.

602
00:27:16,519 --> 00:27:16,960
Speaker 2: It my way.

603
00:27:17,000 --> 00:27:19,319
Speaker 4: And I think there's many times that she shows that

604
00:27:19,400 --> 00:27:23,519
she probably should be getting some help with not really

605
00:27:23,599 --> 00:27:26,319
Joe's help, but just other family members are people around her,

606
00:27:26,319 --> 00:27:29,240
but she it's just a character flaw where she feels

607
00:27:29,279 --> 00:27:31,720
like everything has to be on her. It's probably you know,

608
00:27:31,799 --> 00:27:34,200
tied to the dad and all that stuff. But yeah,

609
00:27:34,200 --> 00:27:38,960
I don't know. I think I think I did maybe

610
00:27:39,000 --> 00:27:43,519
just buy into her flip flopping of being on the

611
00:27:43,599 --> 00:27:46,000
side a lot more than Bronte, you know, when we

612
00:27:46,039 --> 00:27:48,200
get there. I think that one was a little bit

613
00:27:48,240 --> 00:27:51,880
more egregious for mepecially because it just goes like one

614
00:27:51,920 --> 00:27:56,079
episode she's completely on team, next episode she's completely against them,

615
00:27:56,200 --> 00:27:58,200
next episode completely on team, and then the.

616
00:27:58,200 --> 00:28:01,359
Speaker 2: Next episode completely not. So that was pretty egregious. But

617
00:28:01,400 --> 00:28:06,119
for Kate's I would defend that one to an extent.

618
00:28:06,200 --> 00:28:07,599
But you do bring up some good points.

619
00:28:08,480 --> 00:28:11,279
Speaker 1: Yeah, we'll get to Bronte. I'm pretty much in your

620
00:28:11,319 --> 00:28:16,000
camp there. But about Kate, happy with their ending, happy

621
00:28:16,039 --> 00:28:18,240
with their art this season, happy with their family.

622
00:28:19,160 --> 00:28:20,440
Speaker 3: I really thought she died.

623
00:28:20,960 --> 00:28:21,880
Speaker 2: Uh.

624
00:28:22,039 --> 00:28:25,160
Speaker 1: These people are fucking the Avengers, Like Joe has so

625
00:28:25,240 --> 00:28:28,160
many lives. Kate like stabbed in a fire and.

626
00:28:28,119 --> 00:28:30,759
Speaker 3: I can't they just a whole bunch.

627
00:28:33,240 --> 00:28:35,200
Speaker 2: But back.

628
00:28:37,720 --> 00:28:40,160
Speaker 1: Happening the later seasons, you get those powers season one

629
00:28:40,680 --> 00:28:41,359
perman death.

630
00:28:41,799 --> 00:28:45,079
Speaker 3: Yeah, but yeah, I think she completely caught me off

631
00:28:45,119 --> 00:28:47,400
guard that she survived. I thought she was absolutely dead

632
00:28:47,400 --> 00:28:50,160
and toast, But yeah, she survived the fire and I'm

633
00:28:50,160 --> 00:28:52,799
glad she's alive. I am glad that she has Henry.

634
00:28:52,880 --> 00:28:56,559
I like the relationship together. I think she's it's just

635
00:28:56,559 --> 00:28:59,720
such a crazy turn events, Like, if I have my way,

636
00:28:59,720 --> 00:29:01,400
I never would have brought Henry back into the fold.

637
00:29:01,400 --> 00:29:04,160
I think, Okay, Henry could have stayed with his two

638
00:29:04,359 --> 00:29:07,920
his two other parents that Joe passed passed him on to.

639
00:29:08,559 --> 00:29:11,720
But last that's not the case anymore, and they they

640
00:29:12,200 --> 00:29:15,880
they changed it. So Kate having custody of Henry and

641
00:29:15,920 --> 00:29:17,720
all that. I really do like that, and I like

642
00:29:17,799 --> 00:29:20,559
that they kind of have that happy ending her family,

643
00:29:20,599 --> 00:29:24,240
though Reagan was just it was just brutal. And I

644
00:29:24,279 --> 00:29:26,680
couldn't remember where I saw the actress from. But the actress,

645
00:29:26,680 --> 00:29:28,720
I can't remember her name. She's she's from Pitch Perfect.

646
00:29:28,839 --> 00:29:31,240
And I didn't realize that they were twins. At first.

647
00:29:31,279 --> 00:29:34,799
I thought they were just very like close looking sisters,

648
00:29:36,000 --> 00:29:38,279
but then that whole twin in this. Yeah, I didn't

649
00:29:38,319 --> 00:29:40,440
realize that it was the same actress because she's not

650
00:29:40,519 --> 00:29:42,480
They're not really twins in real life. I'm pretty sure

651
00:29:42,480 --> 00:29:43,880
it's just one actress.

652
00:29:44,680 --> 00:29:48,000
Speaker 2: Yeah that was my too. Yeah, I thought you Michael

653
00:29:48,160 --> 00:29:50,559
Jordan and been like, no, they're actually twins. It's like,

654
00:29:50,599 --> 00:29:53,319
what the fuck. Wow, Okay, that's crazy.

655
00:29:53,480 --> 00:29:57,680
Speaker 3: Yeah, but it's a She did a fantastic job. Really

656
00:29:57,680 --> 00:29:59,839
really liked it, and I thought it was great when

657
00:30:00,680 --> 00:30:03,640
just seeing how they were reacting with Kate and how

658
00:30:03,720 --> 00:30:07,960
Kate was just trying to endure and kind of get

659
00:30:08,039 --> 00:30:12,400
past it and not go the route of like murdering them,

660
00:30:12,400 --> 00:30:15,640
and what Joe wanted to do. And I feel like

661
00:30:15,680 --> 00:30:17,799
after the last season, they were really trying to set

662
00:30:17,880 --> 00:30:20,960
up this whole I mean set up as I say

663
00:30:20,960 --> 00:30:23,119
that loosely, because it was Joe that was narrating and

664
00:30:23,160 --> 00:30:25,759
telling us this from his perspective, like, I'll be there

665
00:30:25,799 --> 00:30:27,599
to help her be a better person. She'll be there

666
00:30:27,599 --> 00:30:29,519
to make me a better person. We have each other,

667
00:30:29,599 --> 00:30:32,599
and he wants to just start killing and she won't

668
00:30:32,640 --> 00:30:35,119
let him. So now he's the one he sees that

669
00:30:35,119 --> 00:30:37,759
as a problem, but he's going back on what he

670
00:30:37,839 --> 00:30:43,200
committed to. And the finale of that season four and

671
00:30:43,279 --> 00:30:46,119
so you just have Kate who's grown and developed on

672
00:30:46,440 --> 00:30:49,400
beyond that now and is with the family and with

673
00:30:49,480 --> 00:30:54,160
Teddy and Reagan and Maddie and all that. So, yeah,

674
00:30:54,359 --> 00:30:57,559
just that whole relationship with Reagan though, was just something else.

675
00:30:57,599 --> 00:31:00,599
And I think that twist of when Joe went in

676
00:31:00,680 --> 00:31:02,839
and he fucked up, which he sucks up a lot,

677
00:31:03,240 --> 00:31:05,960
but I thought I thought that was really well done

678
00:31:06,000 --> 00:31:09,160
and quite clever when he takes the wrong twin and

679
00:31:10,200 --> 00:31:12,200
all that, and just his loose attempt to try and

680
00:31:12,240 --> 00:31:14,119
play it off like oh, like I'm your boo boo

681
00:31:14,160 --> 00:31:16,119
and she like, you're not my boo boo. It's like,

682
00:31:16,160 --> 00:31:18,079
you know, we always had something between us, and he

683
00:31:18,160 --> 00:31:21,160
was just like trying to mess around with her, to

684
00:31:21,839 --> 00:31:23,920
not like sleeping with her, but mess around mentally with

685
00:31:23,960 --> 00:31:26,039
her to try and get her to come around. But yeah,

686
00:31:26,039 --> 00:31:27,799
I feel bad for Maddie. I actually really liked that

687
00:31:27,920 --> 00:31:30,720
character and that actress. I already like spoke about that,

688
00:31:30,759 --> 00:31:33,759
but I do feel bad for her. She got mentally

689
00:31:33,759 --> 00:31:36,359
abused by Reagan and then she got mentally abused and

690
00:31:36,480 --> 00:31:40,559
tricked by Joe and everything just went absolutely sideways.

691
00:31:41,079 --> 00:31:44,319
Speaker 2: But that act type one, Yeah, that.

692
00:31:44,200 --> 00:31:47,079
Speaker 3: Actress did a phenomenal job when she was like like

693
00:31:47,160 --> 00:31:49,599
coasting in and out of having to act out being

694
00:31:49,720 --> 00:31:53,039
Reagan to fool people and then just was reverting back

695
00:31:53,039 --> 00:31:55,400
to being Maddie. And just the transitions like she's in

696
00:31:55,440 --> 00:31:57,880
the bathroom and she's talking to herself in the mirror,

697
00:31:58,440 --> 00:32:02,240
conversation like from her with herself as Reagan and Maddie,

698
00:32:02,240 --> 00:32:04,759
and she's doing like her makeup and stuff like and

699
00:32:04,799 --> 00:32:07,200
then Kate goes in there and she's just on the floor.

700
00:32:07,279 --> 00:32:07,519
Speaker 1: Fuck.

701
00:32:07,680 --> 00:32:11,119
Speaker 3: It was just she's a really really good actress in

702
00:32:11,160 --> 00:32:13,480
this show. Really like it. But all of that stuff

703
00:32:13,519 --> 00:32:15,599
that that was very much too long on the Reagan

704
00:32:15,680 --> 00:32:18,240
stuff I feel like has no payoff for later on.

705
00:32:19,119 --> 00:32:21,240
They don't even touch upon the fact I don't at

706
00:32:21,279 --> 00:32:24,160
least remember where Kate's like, oh you can actually no,

707
00:32:24,279 --> 00:32:27,960
I guess yeah, because Maddie confirms that she killed Reagan,

708
00:32:28,000 --> 00:32:30,319
but Kate doesn't seem affected by it or anything.

709
00:32:30,400 --> 00:32:32,599
Speaker 1: Right, Please move on pretty quickly with it, you know,

710
00:32:32,680 --> 00:32:35,319
that's right? Yeah, Teddy knows, like they all know. And

711
00:32:35,880 --> 00:32:41,720
because everybody knows. Oh shit, Bro, Mike, thank you everybody.

712
00:32:42,000 --> 00:32:45,200
I'll continue go for.

713
00:32:49,759 --> 00:32:52,480
Speaker 4: That's all I have to add to the conversation. No,

714
00:32:52,559 --> 00:32:56,759
Maddie was great, Reagan was great. Performances could highlight their

715
00:32:56,759 --> 00:32:59,039
Taylor or bouncing between the two back.

716
00:32:58,920 --> 00:32:59,920
Speaker 2: To Travis.

717
00:33:05,240 --> 00:33:08,599
Speaker 3: Polyester Mike, he's got there, Clouder.

718
00:33:08,279 --> 00:33:08,920
Speaker 2: Please.

719
00:33:15,960 --> 00:33:21,440
Speaker 1: Uh anyways, Yeah, the whole world no shorter, and I

720
00:33:21,480 --> 00:33:23,960
guess they just serve some jail time or something, because right,

721
00:33:23,960 --> 00:33:26,240
he got a prison tattoo the husband right of Maddie

722
00:33:26,720 --> 00:33:29,000
on his neck, and uh yeah, I just think it

723
00:33:29,000 --> 00:33:32,599
went on too long and is what he said something

724
00:33:32,680 --> 00:33:36,200
like that, And again to like the point of she's

725
00:33:36,279 --> 00:33:38,519
fulling on the Joe thing, She's like, oh, do your

726
00:33:38,519 --> 00:33:41,720
mind switch ruthing like very that you can say it's

727
00:33:41,720 --> 00:33:45,359
Stockholm syndrome. The same way, it's like they feel pretty

728
00:33:45,400 --> 00:33:47,680
fine after all said and done, like they're just in

729
00:33:47,720 --> 00:33:50,640
the park. They're gonna you know, she's pregnant, like happy family.

730
00:33:50,759 --> 00:33:53,319
Just felt like the effects weren't there for what Joe

731
00:33:53,319 --> 00:33:55,160
did to her and killing her sister, because even then

732
00:33:55,160 --> 00:33:56,960
I know the sister was like a terrible person, but

733
00:33:57,039 --> 00:33:59,000
like a lot of her family is. So I think

734
00:33:59,000 --> 00:34:02,119
he just went on too long. I don't know. I

735
00:34:02,160 --> 00:34:04,200
thought the acting was good enough. I think it just

736
00:34:04,279 --> 00:34:07,720
kind of went close to the realm of being very cheesy.

737
00:34:07,839 --> 00:34:10,639
Even the subplot of just doing both twins. It's like,

738
00:34:11,079 --> 00:34:12,239
I don't know if you can even get away with

739
00:34:12,320 --> 00:34:14,159
that in twenty twenty five, you know, like you could

740
00:34:14,159 --> 00:34:17,679
do a point, but there's so much going on with

741
00:34:17,719 --> 00:34:20,440
these people, and even Joe's plan of oh, we're gonna

742
00:34:20,480 --> 00:34:22,599
say a boat axe and you're in the new twin, Like,

743
00:34:22,599 --> 00:34:25,199
there has to be some way to tell these things apart.

744
00:34:25,239 --> 00:34:28,840
But yeah, not definitely a storyline that ifever we watched

745
00:34:28,840 --> 00:34:32,440
the show, that's gonna be the pulple phone stuff. I

746
00:34:32,480 --> 00:34:35,039
didn't need it for as long as it went. I

747
00:34:35,039 --> 00:34:39,159
think there's some fun stuff with her and Joe, but yeah,

748
00:34:39,480 --> 00:34:41,519
I agree with you though. The twist of him getting

749
00:34:41,559 --> 00:34:43,960
the wrong twin that was a very well done everything,

750
00:34:44,039 --> 00:34:46,400
especially when he's having the moral dilemma of like he

751
00:34:46,440 --> 00:34:48,440
thinks she's getting assaulted. He's like, I want to kill her,

752
00:34:48,519 --> 00:34:50,119
but do I want to put it to this? He's like,

753
00:34:50,199 --> 00:34:52,599
and he's gonna go save her. So they're always doing

754
00:34:52,599 --> 00:34:54,719
that thing where oh, Joe's a terrible person, but he's

755
00:34:54,719 --> 00:34:56,880
not this type of terrible person, you know, so they

756
00:34:57,360 --> 00:34:59,920
they try their best. I can't remember there's another point

757
00:35:00,519 --> 00:35:02,800
that's gonna make in the realm you guys were talking about,

758
00:35:02,840 --> 00:35:06,960
but uh and Teddy, he was just there just to

759
00:35:07,000 --> 00:35:10,840
be like a I won't say exposition characters give exposition

760
00:35:10,920 --> 00:35:12,519
but just like we need someone to watch head and hear,

761
00:35:12,679 --> 00:35:14,800
there's Teddy. We need someone to watch the company will

762
00:35:14,880 --> 00:35:15,840
Kate's busy, there's Teddy.

763
00:35:15,880 --> 00:35:18,480
Speaker 2: It's also like a nice character to just have, Like, oh,

764
00:35:18,519 --> 00:35:20,840
he's just a good person. You know, there's no like

765
00:35:20,840 --> 00:35:25,000
like weird angle where like I also murdered children, you.

766
00:35:24,960 --> 00:35:27,119
Speaker 4: Know, like I also did work for mister Lockwood. Like

767
00:35:27,159 --> 00:35:29,880
he was just just like a beacon of goodness. So

768
00:35:29,960 --> 00:35:31,719
like even when he was with Joe, it just seemed

769
00:35:31,719 --> 00:35:33,639
like he like stood out and then of course later

770
00:35:33,679 --> 00:35:36,239
on with Kate and just a good guardian for Henry.

771
00:35:36,519 --> 00:35:39,320
Speaker 1: That's true. I just feel like if I say, like,

772
00:35:39,360 --> 00:35:42,480
name me some characteristics of Teddy, there's it's always a

773
00:35:42,480 --> 00:35:44,880
good guy, you know, like there's nothing there's nothing there,

774
00:35:45,000 --> 00:35:48,000
like you you'll forget what this character's name is in

775
00:35:48,079 --> 00:35:50,639
like three days from now, you know, remember Teddy? Like

776
00:35:50,960 --> 00:35:54,199
who like you like one of those forgettable characters. But

777
00:35:54,199 --> 00:35:57,239
he's there. That's fine. Ah, it's bugging me about the

778
00:35:57,320 --> 00:36:00,239
Kate stuff. There's something in particular while he's filming are

779
00:36:00,239 --> 00:36:03,440
you guys were talking about? But anything else with her

780
00:36:04,360 --> 00:36:06,320
with the family Kate.

781
00:36:08,719 --> 00:36:12,360
Speaker 3: Uncle Bob got taken.

782
00:36:12,119 --> 00:36:13,960
Speaker 2: Out uncle Bob.

783
00:36:14,199 --> 00:36:16,840
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, he knew all that stuff he got.

784
00:36:16,880 --> 00:36:21,079
Speaker 4: He he revealed his hand way too early. You know,

785
00:36:21,679 --> 00:36:24,400
he gave her time to murder him.

786
00:36:24,920 --> 00:36:25,519
Speaker 2: Terrible plan.

787
00:36:26,400 --> 00:36:33,880
Speaker 1: Let's talk about Bronte here, Bronte Louise. Yeah, this character

788
00:36:34,480 --> 00:36:37,559
overall didn't work for me. Now it's interesting because we

789
00:36:37,559 --> 00:36:40,039
talked about Kate and last year I said the same

790
00:36:40,079 --> 00:36:42,039
thing about didn't call her bad actress, but I said

791
00:36:42,119 --> 00:36:44,760
her and Joe didn't have chemistry. I still think they

792
00:36:44,760 --> 00:36:47,000
ever had the most romantic chemistry. Like I don't even

793
00:36:47,000 --> 00:36:49,320
think they kissed them this season, Kate and Joe, because

794
00:36:49,320 --> 00:36:51,239
like they had their one ups over their fine and

795
00:36:51,239 --> 00:36:54,280
then episode two they're like at you know, battle until

796
00:36:54,280 --> 00:36:58,840
the end. Right. So with this character, it sucks because

797
00:36:58,840 --> 00:37:00,880
when you you have, when you do the whole like

798
00:37:01,079 --> 00:37:04,079
you thing, right, you got to buy that chemistry right away.

799
00:37:04,679 --> 00:37:07,840
I didn't with Kate last year, and I especially didn't

800
00:37:07,840 --> 00:37:11,039
with Bronte. It felt very forced. And this is where

801
00:37:11,039 --> 00:37:13,840
it definitely felt like the Dexter thing where we're oh

802
00:37:13,880 --> 00:37:16,000
trying to find different plot lines in the end seasons

803
00:37:16,039 --> 00:37:21,239
or what's relevant. It just feels like man fourth wing whatever,

804
00:37:21,519 --> 00:37:24,519
what's the other one called this another franchise Kirkland Guitar,

805
00:37:25,079 --> 00:37:29,840
a guitar that has spawned since fifty Shade's sure, but

806
00:37:29,960 --> 00:37:32,840
I'd say the biggest like C literature has ever been

807
00:37:32,960 --> 00:37:36,840
is now about Rome, like novels that are very much

808
00:37:36,840 --> 00:37:40,440
you know, can be for everybody, but for skewing young

809
00:37:40,480 --> 00:37:44,440
women that are very much into the dark, you know,

810
00:37:44,800 --> 00:37:47,280
lead that's sexual and all about descripting, and there's an

811
00:37:47,280 --> 00:37:49,760
adventure and it feels like this season was definitely like

812
00:37:49,920 --> 00:37:52,400
what's popular right now, and that's what so many of

813
00:37:52,400 --> 00:37:54,760
the scenes of them falling together. So for me, that's

814
00:37:54,760 --> 00:37:56,719
where it's like, kay, this is like a gimmick season

815
00:37:56,800 --> 00:38:01,039
of that. And two, I just did not buy their chemistry,

816
00:38:01,079 --> 00:38:03,159
Like this was the least I've ever bought a chemistry

817
00:38:03,199 --> 00:38:05,440
with Joe and somebody. It did not feel, especially for

818
00:38:05,480 --> 00:38:07,519
her kind of being like the final you and the

819
00:38:07,519 --> 00:38:10,079
one that takes them down. And especially my last point

820
00:38:10,119 --> 00:38:13,280
before I hold it over is because I said, these guys,

821
00:38:13,360 --> 00:38:15,119
I'm like, oh man, they should have ended with four,

822
00:38:15,639 --> 00:38:17,760
and then the five thing happens, right, and then they

823
00:38:17,800 --> 00:38:19,719
get that whole episode where they feel like, oh, she

824
00:38:19,840 --> 00:38:21,800
was a student to Beck and she's been covering this

825
00:38:21,840 --> 00:38:23,679
whole thing the whole time, I'm like, oh man, this

826
00:38:23,840 --> 00:38:25,599
is awesome. Because at first when she was trying to

827
00:38:25,599 --> 00:38:27,960
get in the basement, me and Emily thought, okay, she's

828
00:38:28,039 --> 00:38:30,480
here to take them down, and then she talked about, oh,

829
00:38:30,480 --> 00:38:31,679
I'm just trying to sell book, and then we got

830
00:38:31,719 --> 00:38:33,719
three episodes her just being with Joe, so I thought, Okay,

831
00:38:33,760 --> 00:38:36,360
I guess no, I guess she is just like working

832
00:38:36,400 --> 00:38:37,840
with Joe and starting to fall for him. Right. But

833
00:38:37,920 --> 00:38:40,280
at episode five when ire Field all the whole time

834
00:38:40,880 --> 00:38:43,400
she's trying to take them down, this is fucking awesome.

835
00:38:43,440 --> 00:38:45,360
It's really cool. Fun way to tie to Beck who

836
00:38:45,360 --> 00:38:47,039
will talk at later because there are other points on her,

837
00:38:47,079 --> 00:38:49,960
but fun way to tie to that. But then when

838
00:38:50,079 --> 00:38:53,639
she like, it's tough because it's not stock it is

839
00:38:53,639 --> 00:38:56,800
Stockholm Sentermon in a sense, but it's not because it's

840
00:38:56,840 --> 00:38:59,239
it's not like I know everything about Joe and I

841
00:38:59,280 --> 00:39:01,119
still fell in love with it. It's well, I know,

842
00:39:01,239 --> 00:39:03,199
like a version of Joe, and like, well, he kills

843
00:39:03,199 --> 00:39:05,400
people because he's protecting the people he loves. So there's

844
00:39:05,440 --> 00:39:08,199
like he's dark, but he's still good for me to

845
00:39:08,239 --> 00:39:11,039
believe she's gonna actively really fall in love with him,

846
00:39:11,079 --> 00:39:13,719
no tricks. I have to believe there chemistry, and I

847
00:39:13,880 --> 00:39:16,440
just didn't there And I just that's where it felt

848
00:39:16,440 --> 00:39:18,519
like the ten episodes of to Me, when the episode

849
00:39:18,559 --> 00:39:21,280
five switch happened, I wish Bronte the whole time was

850
00:39:21,360 --> 00:39:24,159
just on we're gonna get Joe, wont take him down

851
00:39:24,280 --> 00:39:26,159
or do something where she's non the murder scene and

852
00:39:26,239 --> 00:39:28,519
Joe doesn't know that she's a part of it, Like

853
00:39:29,119 --> 00:39:32,519
that whole first three episodes, she's fallen in love with them,

854
00:39:32,559 --> 00:39:34,440
and then we get the twists, and then she's fallen

855
00:39:34,440 --> 00:39:35,880
back in love with him, and then the last year's

856
00:39:35,880 --> 00:39:39,039
I'm taking Joe Down way too much of I think

857
00:39:39,400 --> 00:39:41,480
lack of writing and lack of chemistry for me to

858
00:39:41,440 --> 00:39:43,239
believe any of this, And I think the character is

859
00:39:43,239 --> 00:39:46,320
like fine, but yeah, my least favorite of the you

860
00:39:46,480 --> 00:39:49,000
and I just for multiple reasons, was not into this.

861
00:39:49,079 --> 00:39:51,440
I actually think she's quite good in the finale episode

862
00:39:51,480 --> 00:39:53,800
when it's her versus Joe, I think she delivered there,

863
00:39:54,639 --> 00:39:57,559
but it just felt like I wasn't. I didn't care

864
00:39:57,559 --> 00:40:00,079
about the character. Like when she fakes her death a

865
00:40:00,239 --> 00:40:02,360
pond and we think, oh, Joe got her. I didn't

866
00:40:02,360 --> 00:40:04,119
feel like this, like, oh my god, like he killed

867
00:40:04,159 --> 00:40:05,800
another one, Like, of course I do, because it's a woman.

868
00:40:05,840 --> 00:40:07,440
But no, in the sense like the other characters who

869
00:40:07,480 --> 00:40:10,159
we lost. Oh that's what I was gonna say before

870
00:40:10,199 --> 00:40:11,719
I hand it over with you, guys were talking about

871
00:40:11,760 --> 00:40:14,039
Kaid and h Taylor're talking about how in the season

872
00:40:14,119 --> 00:40:17,039
he felt like the end of last year where he's

873
00:40:17,039 --> 00:40:18,480
gonna kill and that's just how he has it in

874
00:40:18,480 --> 00:40:22,159
his mind, where that's what Kate wants again full circle.

875
00:40:22,480 --> 00:40:24,000
He should have just tried to work out with Love

876
00:40:24,159 --> 00:40:26,000
because that was the whole storyline of Love, that Love

877
00:40:26,039 --> 00:40:28,760
always wanted to solve the problems with murder, and he didn't,

878
00:40:28,960 --> 00:40:31,800
and now Kate is literally in the same situation Joe was.

879
00:40:31,840 --> 00:40:34,920
But well, we're only to kill one was like really necessary,

880
00:40:35,280 --> 00:40:38,119
and Joe's just full and blood thirsty. He really should

881
00:40:38,199 --> 00:40:41,079
just stay like they should have figured that out because

882
00:40:41,239 --> 00:40:44,000
he did become Love Quinn. He became, which obviously she

883
00:40:44,079 --> 00:40:45,679
was not in the season, but I did like that

884
00:40:45,760 --> 00:40:47,360
he referred back to her when he said, like, oh,

885
00:40:47,400 --> 00:40:49,719
the last word she said was don't have her around,

886
00:40:49,760 --> 00:40:51,920
like don't have Hendry around because he's gonna know your monster.

887
00:40:52,039 --> 00:40:53,880
So I like that we got some the shout there.

888
00:40:53,880 --> 00:40:55,519
I wish she could have came back. I was surprised

889
00:40:55,519 --> 00:40:57,280
we didn't get hurt, and I was surprised we didn't

890
00:40:57,280 --> 00:40:58,880
get Jenner or Taga as well too. I thought for

891
00:40:58,920 --> 00:41:00,719
sure Netflix was gonna.

892
00:41:00,480 --> 00:41:02,679
Speaker 3: Try she's busy with Wednesday.

893
00:41:03,239 --> 00:41:05,360
Speaker 1: Well yeah, because they tried in season three to get

894
00:41:05,400 --> 00:41:07,400
her and she couldn't. It didn't work out. But I

895
00:41:07,440 --> 00:41:09,960
thought for the final season they were gonna get Ellie back,

896
00:41:10,000 --> 00:41:14,199
but didn't happen. So but Bronte uh very mixed bay

897
00:41:14,320 --> 00:41:17,400
and a weak point of the show, unfortunately for me.

898
00:41:17,559 --> 00:41:19,920
Speaker 4: So yeah, yeah, I think I'm I think I'm there

899
00:41:19,960 --> 00:41:25,800
with you. I it just seemed like at first, it

900
00:41:25,840 --> 00:41:28,840
felt like they were forced feeding me another air quote

901
00:41:28,840 --> 00:41:31,960
you you know into the season, it's like, for fox sakes,

902
00:41:31,960 --> 00:41:33,599
like let's just end the show, like we gotta we

903
00:41:33,599 --> 00:41:35,079
gotta come across another one.

904
00:41:35,159 --> 00:41:37,920
Speaker 1: You know this, she's the young one. So it's like,

905
00:41:37,920 --> 00:41:40,400
all right, yeah, okay, cool if we get it.

906
00:41:40,480 --> 00:41:42,840
Speaker 4: Yeah, I agree with you with I felt like they

907
00:41:43,159 --> 00:41:44,880
had a bit of a lack of chemistry there. So

908
00:41:44,920 --> 00:41:48,400
when they like got into like the flirtatious thing. I mean,

909
00:41:48,440 --> 00:41:50,679
it's good performances, but it just it was tough for

910
00:41:50,719 --> 00:41:53,000
me to fully buy onto what they were selling. And

911
00:41:53,039 --> 00:41:55,800
then yeah, they completely changed when I got that reveal

912
00:41:55,880 --> 00:41:58,800
that she was actually like I was totally surprised by

913
00:41:58,800 --> 00:42:02,519
that twist. When they came in with the camera on

914
00:42:02,719 --> 00:42:05,039
like whatever, it was like TikTok live. I'm like, how

915
00:42:05,079 --> 00:42:06,599
the fuck do you get out of this? Like this

916
00:42:06,639 --> 00:42:08,880
does make any sense? Oh wait, they got the Lockwoods

917
00:42:08,880 --> 00:42:12,119
and we'll just take it down, Like yeah, so I

918
00:42:12,400 --> 00:42:15,239
guess that just worked, But it was still a good moment.

919
00:42:16,559 --> 00:42:18,920
I think from that point on, though, they really should

920
00:42:18,920 --> 00:42:23,119
have just had Bronte like completely against him, like I

921
00:42:22,960 --> 00:42:25,880
I think you can have her second guessing it just

922
00:42:25,880 --> 00:42:28,239
because it's it's kind of a serial killer thing, like

923
00:42:28,239 --> 00:42:29,880
if I'm not mistakeing, it's like a Ted Bundy thing

924
00:42:29,960 --> 00:42:32,039
right where they're like he's so handsome and like.

925
00:42:32,119 --> 00:42:35,199
Speaker 1: Yeah, he's definitely based off of Bundany in a sense,

926
00:42:35,400 --> 00:42:35,639
you know.

927
00:42:35,800 --> 00:42:38,039
Speaker 4: And I mean even in the last episode they kind

928
00:42:38,039 --> 00:42:41,000
of play on that of just people like whatever the

929
00:42:41,039 --> 00:42:43,679
term is just apologizing for that behy or like.

930
00:42:44,320 --> 00:42:46,519
Speaker 1: And they showed the social media right when they yeah,

931
00:42:47,159 --> 00:42:49,159
the hot killer and stuff like that, and he can

932
00:42:49,239 --> 00:42:51,280
strangle me, daddy, all that stuff like that exact we

933
00:42:51,320 --> 00:42:53,400
see all the time, right and really sure, so.

934
00:42:53,599 --> 00:42:57,679
Speaker 4: For sure, I I think I could have done a

935
00:42:57,719 --> 00:43:02,159
little sliver though of her being like is this actually true?

936
00:43:02,199 --> 00:43:04,119
Like I I did like that little moment of her

937
00:43:04,159 --> 00:43:06,880
second guessing everything that's been going on, because it's it's

938
00:43:06,960 --> 00:43:09,400
kind of just how like another reason why Joe is able.

939
00:43:09,199 --> 00:43:11,280
Speaker 2: To fool people like so well, because he just.

940
00:43:11,239 --> 00:43:14,280
Speaker 4: Has those traits of just playing people and just telling

941
00:43:14,280 --> 00:43:16,719
people what they want to hear. And uh, yeah, I

942
00:43:17,360 --> 00:43:19,639
liked when they were highlighting that. I really love the

943
00:43:19,639 --> 00:43:22,559
sequence between her and Marianne, Like I thought that was

944
00:43:22,559 --> 00:43:25,360
a really really powerful sequence, even.

945
00:43:25,199 --> 00:43:27,960
Speaker 1: Though Marianne never once says like, oh, by the way,

946
00:43:28,079 --> 00:43:29,320
he locked me up for three months.

947
00:43:29,400 --> 00:43:30,760
Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, she didn't say that at all. I was

948
00:43:30,800 --> 00:43:33,679
waiting for that moment, but she feels she didn't have to.

949
00:43:35,880 --> 00:43:38,360
Speaker 1: Lead with that. You lead with that, and then yeah,

950
00:43:38,519 --> 00:43:40,800
going to something else, because yeah she did turn Thank goodness.

951
00:43:40,880 --> 00:43:43,480
I was worried when because I thought they were doing

952
00:43:43,480 --> 00:43:46,079
like a Harley Quinn sort when he said when she.

953
00:43:46,039 --> 00:43:49,559
Speaker 4: Says right, like that was the episode name when they're

954
00:43:49,599 --> 00:43:52,840
like Bonnie and clyding it and uh, she said from the.

955
00:43:52,800 --> 00:43:55,679
Speaker 1: Fire and I'm like, oh no, like fuck, we're gonna end,

956
00:43:55,760 --> 00:43:58,320
you say. I thought, man, we're gonna end, and they're

957
00:43:58,320 --> 00:44:00,280
gonna leave it open ended of like oh want to

958
00:44:00,519 --> 00:44:03,320
Like I thought they saw Dexter New Blood Resurrection, like

959
00:44:03,360 --> 00:44:06,400
we could do this in ten years from now with Joe.

960
00:44:06,519 --> 00:44:08,840
So I saw it coming. I was like, oh, please

961
00:44:08,920 --> 00:44:10,239
don't so yeah.

962
00:44:10,280 --> 00:44:12,519
Speaker 4: So I think they just spent too much time of

963
00:44:12,559 --> 00:44:15,440
her being on his side after that big reveal moment.

964
00:44:16,920 --> 00:44:19,119
I mean, maybe that's how you get rid of two episodes,

965
00:44:19,920 --> 00:44:22,360
just just trimming a lot of that down. There's probably

966
00:44:22,360 --> 00:44:24,079
a couple other things you could do too, But even

967
00:44:24,119 --> 00:44:27,880
the sequence when they like kidnap that that menaced or

968
00:44:27,920 --> 00:44:32,119
whatever the hell he was the men's rights guy that

969
00:44:32,280 --> 00:44:34,400
was going to kidnap her and then he was in

970
00:44:34,440 --> 00:44:36,159
the box and it's.

971
00:44:36,519 --> 00:44:39,000
Speaker 1: Just like she's like because that was the fully of

972
00:44:39,000 --> 00:44:41,320
do episode. But that's why I was like, Okay, if

973
00:44:41,320 --> 00:44:43,199
they're going to do the whole saw Comb syndrom, because

974
00:44:43,239 --> 00:44:44,880
that happens, right they call her Manson girl. That's a

975
00:44:44,920 --> 00:44:47,880
real life thing as people fall for their captive or

976
00:44:47,880 --> 00:44:51,400
someone brutal, they don't see why. So it's like I

977
00:44:51,440 --> 00:44:55,519
get this, But if it's someone that's still somewhat normal

978
00:44:55,519 --> 00:44:57,719
and doing the whole like locking this person up, it's

979
00:44:57,760 --> 00:45:01,719
like what, like, like what are we doing with Bronte

980
00:45:01,880 --> 00:45:05,920
right here? And yeah, it was just a weird, weird choice.

981
00:45:05,920 --> 00:45:07,519
And again it's hard for me to believe she'd ever

982
00:45:07,519 --> 00:45:09,760
be int him because like anytime they talk about the stories,

983
00:45:09,920 --> 00:45:12,199
each story leads like, oh, well that person went missing

984
00:45:12,320 --> 00:45:14,679
or like, oh it's terrible Reagan. Right, It's like like

985
00:45:15,000 --> 00:45:18,679
every story of Joe Goldbers's life ends with someone missing, dead,

986
00:45:18,800 --> 00:45:20,920
or an accent happens. And that's where it's like, how

987
00:45:20,960 --> 00:45:23,880
can you not believe, Like, Okay, maybe he didn't kill

988
00:45:24,000 --> 00:45:27,119
Beck and Nikki's dad is you know the guy, Yeah

989
00:45:27,280 --> 00:45:29,000
he's a victim, but like how many times is he

990
00:45:29,039 --> 00:45:29,840
a victim? You know?

991
00:45:30,079 --> 00:45:34,920
Speaker 2: So yeah, no, for sure, Uh, I think they had

992
00:45:34,960 --> 00:45:38,360
something else on Bronte, but fuzzy on her right now,

993
00:45:38,400 --> 00:45:39,599
So I'll let Taylor go.

994
00:45:40,599 --> 00:45:44,039
Speaker 3: That, uh that men in this guy who's like pro

995
00:45:44,159 --> 00:45:48,639
men's rights and whatever. That actor he's he's in Yellowstone,

996
00:45:48,639 --> 00:45:50,480
He's he's a really really good actor.

997
00:45:50,519 --> 00:45:52,519
Speaker 1: I enjoy that characters play a similar character.

998
00:45:52,840 --> 00:45:55,360
Speaker 3: No. No, In Yellowstone, he starts off as like a

999
00:45:55,360 --> 00:45:57,639
piece of shit criminal, but when he works in the ranch,

1000
00:45:58,159 --> 00:46:01,199
he becomes he becomes a cowboy, and he becomes a

1001
00:46:01,320 --> 00:46:04,760
really good married man, honest, und Earth's really humble, so

1002
00:46:04,880 --> 00:46:05,360
good character.

1003
00:46:05,440 --> 00:46:06,960
Speaker 2: That's probably what happened to this guy. You know, they

1004
00:46:07,039 --> 00:46:07,920
let him out of the box.

1005
00:46:08,519 --> 00:46:10,480
Speaker 3: Well remember Jill got murdered.

1006
00:46:10,519 --> 00:46:15,320
Speaker 1: Oh right, yeah, that's right, because that was get We'll

1007
00:46:15,320 --> 00:46:17,199
get there. I think there's some issues with Joe and

1008
00:46:17,199 --> 00:46:19,559
his like he's like I think like sixteen arcs in

1009
00:46:19,599 --> 00:46:22,840
this fucking season because like right after he's like finally

1010
00:46:22,920 --> 00:46:24,960
been accept by somebody, I no longer have to do this.

1011
00:46:25,039 --> 00:46:26,840
But then he's like, but I want to. And it's

1012
00:46:26,880 --> 00:46:29,119
like what, like I thought at the point of like

1013
00:46:29,199 --> 00:46:32,039
you finding Fronto and her accepting you, like they're trying

1014
00:46:32,079 --> 00:46:33,880
to make it seem like okay, because all these women

1015
00:46:33,920 --> 00:46:36,880
don't accept Joe, that's why he kills And then he's like, well,

1016
00:46:36,960 --> 00:46:39,079
I call Bronte. She accepts me, so I don't cause

1017
00:46:39,119 --> 00:46:40,760
she gives that speech right of like just because you

1018
00:46:40,760 --> 00:46:42,480
can fight for me doesn't mean you have to fight

1019
00:46:42,519 --> 00:46:44,320
for me, like I can fight my own battles. And

1020
00:46:44,320 --> 00:46:46,159
then he's like you're right, and then you five minute

1021
00:46:46,159 --> 00:46:49,519
he's like fuck you. You know kin napper guy. It's like, okay,

1022
00:46:49,559 --> 00:46:52,519
what is his arc? But uh yeah, I did like

1023
00:46:52,559 --> 00:46:53,960
when he's like, yeah, I'll make sure I just get

1024
00:46:53,960 --> 00:46:55,920
the right bitch next time. I was like, that felt

1025
00:46:55,960 --> 00:46:57,840
like such a u turn for what they're doing. At

1026
00:46:57,840 --> 00:46:59,840
the Character in the box, he's like, you're Ryan ever

1027
00:47:00,119 --> 00:47:02,760
all this, Like yeah, but I'm going fucking kill women.

1028
00:47:02,840 --> 00:47:05,199
It's like, why would you say that in that situation?

1029
00:47:05,360 --> 00:47:07,320
Like I said, Emily, why don't these people never lie?

1030
00:47:07,360 --> 00:47:09,679
Why don't they ever be like when especially when Maddie's

1031
00:47:09,760 --> 00:47:11,679
husband was tied up and he's like I don't know,

1032
00:47:11,719 --> 00:47:13,280
why would you not be like I'm with you, Joe,

1033
00:47:13,360 --> 00:47:14,920
let's do this. And then a week later be like,

1034
00:47:15,239 --> 00:47:17,599
guess what fucking happened to me? Police, Like Joe tied

1035
00:47:17,639 --> 00:47:20,000
me up? My wife is dead? Like these people never

1036
00:47:20,079 --> 00:47:23,239
think like that guy in the box was just something else,

1037
00:47:23,280 --> 00:47:27,199
but he was also I guess he was also in

1038
00:47:27,280 --> 00:47:27,760
Civil War.

1039
00:47:27,800 --> 00:47:31,760
Speaker 3: He was one of the opposite reporter team. Uh to our.

1040
00:47:31,639 --> 00:47:34,199
Speaker 2: Main reporting crew, he's shit, you know.

1041
00:47:34,360 --> 00:47:40,519
Speaker 3: Character yeah, but everything with Brontake, Yeah, I was not

1042
00:47:40,679 --> 00:47:44,440
feeling the draw to this character. And it's not the

1043
00:47:44,480 --> 00:47:48,239
actor's issue or problem. I think it just comes down

1044
00:47:48,280 --> 00:47:50,440
to the writing and how they were trying to make

1045
00:47:50,480 --> 00:47:54,880
this character cup across with this writing. But I think

1046
00:47:54,920 --> 00:47:56,920
that the actor or the actress I did a great

1047
00:47:57,000 --> 00:48:01,000
job at making me really dislike this character when they were,

1048
00:48:01,639 --> 00:48:03,880
like you guys already said back and forth, back and forth,

1049
00:48:04,079 --> 00:48:07,360
pro with the team taking down Joe to flipping around

1050
00:48:07,480 --> 00:48:11,039
and just like to get eaten out by him and

1051
00:48:11,079 --> 00:48:14,880
fuck him and then not be okay with him, and

1052
00:48:14,920 --> 00:48:16,800
then being okay with him, back and forth and just

1053
00:48:16,840 --> 00:48:18,880
so convoluted, and it was just really it started to

1054
00:48:18,920 --> 00:48:21,480
really piss me off that she was just falling for

1055
00:48:21,559 --> 00:48:25,119
this shit and all that. But I like that reveal

1056
00:48:25,119 --> 00:48:27,360
because when you learn, okay, like Clayton was just a friend,

1057
00:48:27,440 --> 00:48:29,280
and then Clayton was the son of the doctor, was

1058
00:48:29,280 --> 00:48:31,559
put away for the murder of Beck and all these

1059
00:48:31,639 --> 00:48:34,400
different things, it was all kind of tied together, and

1060
00:48:34,880 --> 00:48:36,960
I think that was that was a fun kind of dynamic.

1061
00:48:37,000 --> 00:48:40,920
But yeah, she just she wasn't making smart decisions and

1062
00:48:40,960 --> 00:48:45,199
she's so fucking lucky that she survived. At the end,

1063
00:48:45,280 --> 00:48:47,679
she shot Joe's dick off and then that phone. If

1064
00:48:47,679 --> 00:48:49,880
that phone didn't actually down nine one one, then she'd

1065
00:48:49,920 --> 00:48:53,840
be fucked. So she is super, super fortunate.

1066
00:48:54,119 --> 00:48:57,079
Speaker 1: That whole sequence. I know we're over about the ending

1067
00:48:57,119 --> 00:49:01,039
of the chase. When I fucking hope for Pim Badgerley's sake,

1068
00:49:01,079 --> 00:49:03,400
it was warm and that's some warm water, because that

1069
00:49:03,480 --> 00:49:06,320
was a long, long ass sequence to him just in

1070
00:49:06,360 --> 00:49:08,800
his boxers, and I've been in when we filmed something

1071
00:49:08,960 --> 00:49:11,039
on a tank top, like I'm fucking freezer right now,

1072
00:49:11,079 --> 00:49:13,400
So him out there in his boxes, I felt so bad.

1073
00:49:13,440 --> 00:49:16,920
I hope it's warm. Two definitely could tell he had

1074
00:49:16,960 --> 00:49:19,280
down the calendar because I've not seen pet and Badgeley

1075
00:49:19,360 --> 00:49:21,360
that jacked and like, oh quite a what, Like he's

1076
00:49:21,400 --> 00:49:22,559
never been a big guy, but when he had a

1077
00:49:22,559 --> 00:49:25,119
shirt off, he's like his his traps were like big.

1078
00:49:25,159 --> 00:49:29,440
I'm like, oh, he saw he's okay. June sixteenth week outside,

1079
00:49:29,480 --> 00:49:32,239
I'm eating a couple less chicken sandwiches that week. He's

1080
00:49:32,280 --> 00:49:38,039
looking good. And then three, so they I fucking hate

1081
00:49:38,039 --> 00:49:40,559
this whole thing. I know we're jumping to but so

1082
00:49:40,679 --> 00:49:43,159
bron they have a night together, right they're running away

1083
00:49:43,639 --> 00:49:46,039
and Bronte, I guess, has this plan of like she

1084
00:49:46,239 --> 00:49:47,920
you know, Joe can kind of pick up when she's

1085
00:49:47,960 --> 00:49:49,519
not feeling good, and she kind of looks at the

1086
00:49:49,519 --> 00:49:51,639
bed and she kind of says like inner monologue like

1087
00:49:51,920 --> 00:49:53,280
she has to do something before they get in the bed,

1088
00:49:53,280 --> 00:49:54,760
pretty much just saying like if they have sex, she's

1089
00:49:54,800 --> 00:49:56,320
not gonna be able to sell it, right, He's gonna

1090
00:49:56,360 --> 00:49:59,079
know something's up, even though they have this whole thing

1091
00:49:59,079 --> 00:50:03,039
about like they're looking at the galaxy and Billie Eilish

1092
00:50:03,119 --> 00:50:04,920
just playing and she's jumping on him like it looked

1093
00:50:04,920 --> 00:50:07,000
like they I was like, oh, is she completely like

1094
00:50:07,039 --> 00:50:09,719
falling for him again? I wasn't sure, but her like

1095
00:50:09,920 --> 00:50:13,119
mega plan is Joe's gonna be on top of me

1096
00:50:13,239 --> 00:50:15,719
and I'm gonna pull out a gun while he's inches

1097
00:50:15,760 --> 00:50:17,400
away from me and hold him up. Now, of course

1098
00:50:17,400 --> 00:50:21,119
in the show it works, but we've seen Joe multiple

1099
00:50:21,199 --> 00:50:23,440
times got out of way less.

1100
00:50:23,599 --> 00:50:25,559
Speaker 3: But she hasn't. She hasn't seen him get out of

1101
00:50:25,559 --> 00:50:26,719
those situations, right.

1102
00:50:26,800 --> 00:50:28,760
Speaker 1: But like, if you are now fully on board that

1103
00:50:28,840 --> 00:50:31,320
Joe Goldberg is this massive killer and look at the

1104
00:50:31,360 --> 00:50:35,079
amount of bodies he was he was a publicized eat

1105
00:50:35,119 --> 00:50:37,760
the rich serial killer in London he killed a mayor

1106
00:50:37,840 --> 00:50:40,039
candidate and got away with it. I'll see had some money.

1107
00:50:40,079 --> 00:50:42,880
But still to think, like at least when you think,

1108
00:50:42,960 --> 00:50:44,960
like wouldn't she want to be on top of him

1109
00:50:45,400 --> 00:50:47,559
or wouldn't it just be like wait till he falls

1110
00:50:47,559 --> 00:50:50,840
asleep or anything of just like hey, I'm gonna go fresh.

1111
00:50:51,079 --> 00:50:54,599
Speaker 3: He couldn't fall asleep. He had to line out all

1112
00:50:54,639 --> 00:50:58,159
of his additions to Beck's book, right, No, I meant.

1113
00:50:57,920 --> 00:51:00,079
Speaker 1: Like, if you just play along, you fuck him and

1114
00:51:00,119 --> 00:51:01,639
then you wait for you to fall asleep, wouldn't you

1115
00:51:01,679 --> 00:51:02,679
rather pull the gun then?

1116
00:51:03,800 --> 00:51:05,760
Speaker 3: Like like if I but she didn't want to fuck

1117
00:51:05,800 --> 00:51:07,320
him though, that's that's the other thing too.

1118
00:51:07,880 --> 00:51:11,599
Speaker 1: But you have like Aussie worked out. But like if

1119
00:51:11,599 --> 00:51:14,320
I say, you're with some of your if I give

1120
00:51:14,360 --> 00:51:17,320
you all these scenarios and won the scenarios, your attackers

1121
00:51:17,440 --> 00:51:20,360
on top of you also hard but on top of you,

1122
00:51:20,719 --> 00:51:23,280
that's when you want to pull the gun like like,

1123
00:51:23,360 --> 00:51:25,599
it just made no sense for Joe who many times

1124
00:51:25,639 --> 00:51:27,880
she's like grabs a gun, does this like you're gonna

1125
00:51:27,920 --> 00:51:31,280
be like like like why did he like it just

1126
00:51:31,440 --> 00:51:33,800
was silly And then Okay, the bad thing. I like

1127
00:51:33,920 --> 00:51:36,639
that take all the books stuff that works. But then

1128
00:51:36,679 --> 00:51:39,800
the actual chase scene of one they I can't remember.

1129
00:51:39,880 --> 00:51:41,880
They hit a lamp and that's all cool. The lamp's

1130
00:51:41,920 --> 00:51:43,679
going in and out, so you kind of see some stuff.

1131
00:51:44,079 --> 00:51:47,239
But at one point they like they're both like Joe,

1132
00:51:47,519 --> 00:51:50,800
She's running and then Joe's running. They're both outside, don't

1133
00:51:50,800 --> 00:51:52,840
know where the gun is. The gun's just like missing

1134
00:51:52,920 --> 00:51:56,599
for a while. I don't know why. The phones under

1135
00:51:56,639 --> 00:51:58,519
the bed. So they do this awkward thing where she

1136
00:51:58,599 --> 00:52:01,039
has to run out and Joe doesn't decide to get

1137
00:52:01,039 --> 00:52:03,480
the phone. She runs out, she hides behind a tree.

1138
00:52:03,599 --> 00:52:06,320
Joe goes out and he runs that way, and then

1139
00:52:06,360 --> 00:52:08,199
she runs in the house and then Joe sees her.

1140
00:52:08,280 --> 00:52:10,159
He runs back in the house and they end up

1141
00:52:10,199 --> 00:52:13,320
fighting exactly where they were fighting before. It feels like

1142
00:52:13,360 --> 00:52:15,840
in a situation where like we've been where it's like fuck,

1143
00:52:15,960 --> 00:52:17,599
like we forgot something or we don't have the set,

1144
00:52:17,639 --> 00:52:19,280
and you're just saying like how we do it? And

1145
00:52:19,320 --> 00:52:20,480
I feel like they're just on set, like how do

1146
00:52:20,519 --> 00:52:22,800
we do this? Well? What if they run out? But

1147
00:52:22,800 --> 00:52:24,800
then they run back in? Like it just felt like

1148
00:52:24,800 --> 00:52:27,440
a very awkward end fight scene, just like do the

1149
00:52:27,480 --> 00:52:30,840
full thing there and then get outside because they go

1150
00:52:30,960 --> 00:52:33,920
they start inside, they get outside, they go back inside,

1151
00:52:33,920 --> 00:52:37,280
they get back outside. Joe fucking rolling reign spears are

1152
00:52:37,320 --> 00:52:38,519
like three times.

1153
00:52:39,119 --> 00:52:41,440
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, it was quite a few.

1154
00:52:42,119 --> 00:52:45,599
Speaker 1: Yeah, especially she is the smallest woman they've gone to

1155
00:52:45,639 --> 00:52:48,920
play you yet, Like she's a petite lady. So Shell

1156
00:52:49,159 --> 00:52:55,000
is just like he's fucking in the way protein and

1157
00:52:55,039 --> 00:52:56,840
like the first one when she had the because that's

1158
00:52:56,880 --> 00:52:58,440
what happened. She has a gun and the spears were

1159
00:52:58,480 --> 00:53:00,920
down like okay, and then on his spears are in

1160
00:53:00,960 --> 00:53:02,960
the dock into the water, and then later on his

1161
00:53:03,000 --> 00:53:05,159
spears are to get the gun. I was like, fuck,

1162
00:53:05,199 --> 00:53:08,280
they're beating this girl up. So I just think like

1163
00:53:08,519 --> 00:53:10,239
the set was cool. I like the idea of like

1164
00:53:10,280 --> 00:53:12,119
the big yard in the house. I just feel like

1165
00:53:12,199 --> 00:53:15,320
it was a very clunky type of chase scene and

1166
00:53:15,400 --> 00:53:17,719
just like lots of stuff going on. But I did

1167
00:53:17,760 --> 00:53:19,400
like the end. I think him and Sean the dick

1168
00:53:19,519 --> 00:53:24,199
was like like perfect touch and fucking that same pen

1169
00:53:24,320 --> 00:53:28,599
in that state was great. Like everything from the phone

1170
00:53:28,639 --> 00:53:30,840
call to his son and that's like we'll get into it,

1171
00:53:30,880 --> 00:53:32,559
like I have other stuff to bring up with the

1172
00:53:32,599 --> 00:53:35,519
resolution of Joe, but like how upset he was and

1173
00:53:35,559 --> 00:53:37,320
he's like, oh, you know what happened to Gwen Gwine

1174
00:53:37,320 --> 00:53:39,360
of your Beck? Like and I did like her acting

1175
00:53:39,360 --> 00:53:41,000
when she's like, oh, that's the real Joe when he

1176
00:53:41,119 --> 00:53:44,280
just got full on like misogynistic, and he's like, oh,

1177
00:53:44,320 --> 00:53:46,960
I do everything, but you guys all fucking bitches, I

1178
00:53:47,039 --> 00:53:49,639
don't appreciate me. And that's where it's like, Okay, is

1179
00:53:49,679 --> 00:53:52,039
this Joe character like again, he's been fooling us of

1180
00:53:52,079 --> 00:53:53,760
like how much he really cares about when, which like

1181
00:53:53,840 --> 00:53:56,679
clear the answers, yes, But so there's some things I like,

1182
00:53:56,719 --> 00:54:00,519
it just just didn't believe. Bronte's like this is the

1183
00:54:00,519 --> 00:54:02,239
best you got. Hey, you're gonna wait till he's on

1184
00:54:02,239 --> 00:54:05,119
top of you. And Paul to gun like very misking

1185
00:54:05,239 --> 00:54:07,559
and not even why don't people ever kneecap these people

1186
00:54:07,599 --> 00:54:09,639
in the movies? Like that's the first thing I do

1187
00:54:09,719 --> 00:54:11,880
is Okay, we're gonna do Beck's book. I'm gonna fucking

1188
00:54:11,880 --> 00:54:14,519
shoot you in the foot right now, you know, watch

1189
00:54:14,519 --> 00:54:17,960
the Last of Us right, That's exactly even though I

1190
00:54:18,000 --> 00:54:22,719
did like the flashback to that he broke Bronte's foot

1191
00:54:22,800 --> 00:54:25,400
like a couple episodes before, just to ensure that she

1192
00:54:25,440 --> 00:54:27,360
didn't get away. That was a nice touch. It was

1193
00:54:27,400 --> 00:54:29,440
just like, oh my god, what a piece of shit.

1194
00:54:29,599 --> 00:54:33,039
So let's take an ad break and we'll talk more

1195
00:54:33,079 --> 00:54:40,199
about So we were back, Yeah, and we're back more

1196
00:54:40,280 --> 00:54:42,840
and Bronte en scene where we want to go. H.

1197
00:54:43,079 --> 00:54:45,519
Speaker 2: I remember what I was trying to say earlier.

1198
00:54:46,079 --> 00:54:49,199
Speaker 4: There's just a few moments when like the reveal happens

1199
00:54:49,360 --> 00:54:53,199
and then she's kind of just talking about like the ruise,

1200
00:54:53,400 --> 00:54:55,679
Like this is before she even is having like the

1201
00:54:55,719 --> 00:54:57,400
suay to go back on Joe's side, Like this is

1202
00:54:57,400 --> 00:55:00,159
when she's like straight up like, becos my friend, We're

1203
00:55:00,159 --> 00:55:03,119
gonna bring this guy down. And I think this is

1204
00:55:03,119 --> 00:55:05,199
when we're kind of seeing a lot of those feeling

1205
00:55:05,239 --> 00:55:06,920
in the gap moments where we're seeing it from her

1206
00:55:06,960 --> 00:55:11,480
perspective of like her being the fake character. And it

1207
00:55:11,559 --> 00:55:14,480
was just a little bit hard for me to be like, yeah,

1208
00:55:14,480 --> 00:55:16,559
this is a character putting on an act, Like it

1209
00:55:16,639 --> 00:55:20,079
just seemed like an actor playing the role of that character,

1210
00:55:20,159 --> 00:55:23,360
which we saw the first time around, really splitting hairs

1211
00:55:23,360 --> 00:55:26,199
and being hypercritical here. But I think when we got

1212
00:55:26,199 --> 00:55:29,159
the reveal, it just seemed as if it was like

1213
00:55:29,239 --> 00:55:31,199
a decision after the fact, like, well, let's just use

1214
00:55:31,239 --> 00:55:33,360
those scenes and say that she knew the whole time,

1215
00:55:33,440 --> 00:55:36,119
even though in the moment it just seems so genuine,

1216
00:55:36,440 --> 00:55:39,320
which is I mean, she's acting really well like making

1217
00:55:39,320 --> 00:55:42,039
those scenes feel genuine, But it's just another layer that

1218
00:55:42,079 --> 00:55:45,159
it seemed like they were missing after the reveal had happened. Again,

1219
00:55:45,280 --> 00:55:47,880
super hypercritical about it, but I think it just added

1220
00:55:47,880 --> 00:55:50,239
to my little bit a little bit of distaste with

1221
00:55:50,440 --> 00:55:54,360
just the flippy flopping of where her alignment really lined.

1222
00:55:57,719 --> 00:55:59,440
Speaker 2: That's it. That's it with Bronte for me.

1223
00:56:00,639 --> 00:56:05,159
Speaker 1: Well, I'll talk about bront again later, but yeah, anything,

1224
00:56:07,039 --> 00:56:08,639
I'm trying to think where we go or do we

1225
00:56:08,719 --> 00:56:10,159
just start demanding now?

1226
00:56:10,440 --> 00:56:12,639
Speaker 2: Well, I'll just quickly bring up Beck here.

1227
00:56:12,960 --> 00:56:15,000
Speaker 4: I thought it was really fun to go back to

1228
00:56:15,079 --> 00:56:20,159
like just the initial you character, because correct me if

1229
00:56:20,159 --> 00:56:21,719
I'm wrong. I mean, you just went through a Travis.

1230
00:56:21,960 --> 00:56:24,840
Does she appear at any point before, like beyond that first.

1231
00:56:24,599 --> 00:56:29,039
Speaker 1: Season, she's in every season? Actually, oh really, she's always

1232
00:56:29,079 --> 00:56:31,519
comes back and does she like talk to him? And

1233
00:56:31,639 --> 00:56:35,159
so in season two when he first starts loving on Quinn.

1234
00:56:35,480 --> 00:56:37,039
It's like a whole like, oh.

1235
00:56:37,000 --> 00:56:38,559
Speaker 2: That's so funny. I did not remember anything.

1236
00:56:38,639 --> 00:56:43,599
Speaker 1: I could be wrong about season three actually, but she's

1237
00:56:43,639 --> 00:56:45,519
for sure and four and she's for sure and two

1238
00:56:46,000 --> 00:56:48,079
and they're both in ghosts like forms like oh, you

1239
00:56:48,079 --> 00:56:50,280
shouldn't be doing this and you know how this ends

1240
00:56:50,280 --> 00:56:53,079
and stuff like that, which I actually thought they were

1241
00:56:53,079 --> 00:56:54,760
gonna show us how he killed her, which we know

1242
00:56:54,840 --> 00:56:57,480
was strangulation, but uh, they didn't. They didn't go there,

1243
00:56:57,519 --> 00:57:01,639
but I thought they were going to, especially when you.

1244
00:57:01,599 --> 00:57:02,800
Speaker 2: Want to see how I killed Beck.

1245
00:57:03,880 --> 00:57:07,639
Speaker 1: Yeah, even when she said that, he's like, oh, you,

1246
00:57:07,639 --> 00:57:09,719
you wouldn't want to know, I thought, because that's been

1247
00:57:09,760 --> 00:57:11,960
a big thing. We've never seen him kill like we

1248
00:57:12,000 --> 00:57:14,559
saw Candae, we saw love, we saw everybody else, but

1249
00:57:14,599 --> 00:57:17,559
with Beck they never showed that. And uh but they

1250
00:57:17,559 --> 00:57:18,079
still didn't.

1251
00:57:18,079 --> 00:57:20,119
Speaker 3: So I think a big thing with Beck too is

1252
00:57:20,159 --> 00:57:23,280
just always reappearing. Is she is, as far as we know,

1253
00:57:23,480 --> 00:57:27,880
his first kill. No, not true, No, who's the first kill?

1254
00:57:28,519 --> 00:57:31,920
Speaker 1: Well technically well technically yeah, it's his.

1255
00:57:32,199 --> 00:57:34,880
Speaker 2: It's his or not dad whoever that it's.

1256
00:57:36,559 --> 00:57:37,400
Speaker 3: No book.

1257
00:57:38,079 --> 00:57:39,800
Speaker 1: His mom is with an abuse.

1258
00:57:39,480 --> 00:57:41,639
Speaker 4: Of the parole officer. It was the parole officer. I

1259
00:57:41,679 --> 00:57:43,679
think because they brought him up, I know.

1260
00:57:44,119 --> 00:57:47,280
Speaker 1: Even before that, Oh really he killed he kills someone

1261
00:57:47,400 --> 00:57:49,280
like when he's a young and to protect his mom

1262
00:57:49,320 --> 00:57:52,039
because his mom's being abused, and that starts it. And

1263
00:57:52,079 --> 00:57:55,239
then you got to remember that the very first there's Benji,

1264
00:57:55,360 --> 00:57:57,559
the guy Beck was like dating at the very beginning,

1265
00:57:57,880 --> 00:57:59,679
they showed him this that he kills him before the

1266
00:57:59,719 --> 00:58:00,719
Pearole officer.

1267
00:58:00,719 --> 00:58:03,920
Speaker 3: Could even never tract our phrase. He tried to love

1268
00:58:04,079 --> 00:58:04,639
that he killed.

1269
00:58:05,519 --> 00:58:08,440
Speaker 1: Nope, he tried to kill Candace. He did not know

1270
00:58:08,480 --> 00:58:11,440
that candas like survived because he buried Candace and she

1271
00:58:11,480 --> 00:58:13,639
got out of there. So he tried. He tried to

1272
00:58:13,719 --> 00:58:17,039
kill Candace. He tried to like, which is funny. When

1273
00:58:17,039 --> 00:58:19,760
they tell all Joe's love, they never bring Candace into it.

1274
00:58:19,800 --> 00:58:23,079
Candace is the girl that happens before Beck, and in

1275
00:58:23,119 --> 00:58:25,559
season one they're used to like, oh, his last girlfriend missing,

1276
00:58:25,599 --> 00:58:27,800
and she's like, oh, yeah, she went traveling at d D.

1277
00:58:28,480 --> 00:58:31,920
And then in season two she dates Love's brother forty

1278
00:58:32,000 --> 00:58:35,039
to try and like you know, coax about or something.

1279
00:58:35,079 --> 00:58:37,719
So yeah, he did. He's tried to kill a woman

1280
00:58:37,880 --> 00:58:40,679
they loved, and he's killed multiple people. But for us

1281
00:58:40,679 --> 00:58:43,320
as the viewers, it's our first. You in my opinion,

1282
00:58:43,400 --> 00:58:45,679
it's the you know, it's our first.

1283
00:58:46,760 --> 00:58:48,239
Speaker 2: It was our first, yeah first.

1284
00:58:49,039 --> 00:58:51,440
Speaker 4: So yeah, I think just we already kind of talked

1285
00:58:51,480 --> 00:58:52,920
about the pairing of her and Bronte.

1286
00:58:53,000 --> 00:58:55,400
Speaker 2: That was a really fun touch. But I think this

1287
00:58:55,480 --> 00:58:57,199
season just did a really good job at.

1288
00:58:57,119 --> 00:59:01,519
Speaker 4: Kind of like highlighting that character and just like I like,

1289
00:59:01,559 --> 00:59:02,880
I don't know, I just see her as like the

1290
00:59:02,920 --> 00:59:06,559
first victim of Joe for what I've experienced through the show,

1291
00:59:08,000 --> 00:59:10,559
and like I liked her in this first season, but

1292
00:59:10,639 --> 00:59:12,920
like beyond that, like I didn't really think too much

1293
00:59:12,960 --> 00:59:15,239
more about it, like, especially because I haven't rewatched the season,

1294
00:59:15,320 --> 00:59:20,760
so here just really highlighting I think, you know, not

1295
00:59:20,800 --> 00:59:22,440
to sound too cheesy, but just kind of like the

1296
00:59:22,480 --> 00:59:27,480
beauty of that character, and especially when she's highlighting just

1297
00:59:27,559 --> 00:59:33,440
the distaste or like discussed that she has that Joe

1298
00:59:33,559 --> 00:59:36,280
like finished her book, like put his own words like

1299
00:59:36,360 --> 00:59:39,800
on that, and then you know, she makes him like

1300
00:59:39,880 --> 00:59:41,639
take that out, so and then.

1301
00:59:41,599 --> 00:59:42,679
Speaker 2: Like the whole rerates of the book.

1302
00:59:42,679 --> 00:59:44,320
Speaker 4: I don't know, I just thought that was a nice

1303
00:59:44,320 --> 00:59:48,599
little final touch for closing off this whole show and

1304
00:59:48,639 --> 00:59:51,320
then closing it off like with that Beck character and

1305
00:59:51,639 --> 00:59:54,760
like she finally got somewhat of a justice all this

1306
00:59:54,800 --> 00:59:57,639
time later. So yeah, I did really appreciate just the

1307
00:59:57,639 --> 00:59:58,920
whole back usage of this season.

1308
00:59:59,440 --> 01:00:01,360
Speaker 1: Yeah, which was good because I watched I'm not sure

1309
01:00:01,400 --> 01:00:03,480
if you saw those they I didn't watch all of them,

1310
01:00:03,519 --> 01:00:07,000
but they did like breakdowns, like five minute breakdowns after

1311
01:00:07,079 --> 01:00:09,760
each episode you could watch. There's like separate videos and

1312
01:00:09,840 --> 01:00:13,000
like the trailer section, and I only watched the free

1313
01:00:14,199 --> 01:00:16,199
uh not, but like sorry, they did one for each

1314
01:00:16,239 --> 01:00:18,719
episode after each episode, but they did a breakdown with

1315
01:00:18,760 --> 01:00:22,280
each episode five minute videos. So I watched the finale

1316
01:00:22,360 --> 01:00:26,079
and uh, whatever her name was, Elizabeth you or whatever,

1317
01:00:26,400 --> 01:00:29,760
lull or however your surname. Oh it was great. You Yeah,

1318
01:00:30,400 --> 01:00:32,920
she's She's like, oh, it's great. We could do this

1319
01:00:33,000 --> 01:00:35,159
with bet because so many people they you know, disliked

1320
01:00:35,159 --> 01:00:37,000
the Beck character, but she didn't deserve to die, and

1321
01:00:37,039 --> 01:00:39,519
the creates have some of that to say similar later

1322
01:00:39,559 --> 01:00:41,679
on too. I was like, oh, like, I'm a big

1323
01:00:41,719 --> 01:00:43,159
fan of you, but I guess I've never dipped my

1324
01:00:43,199 --> 01:00:46,119
toes into the the U fandom because they even do

1325
01:00:46,159 --> 01:00:47,760
that at the end, like the creators talk about that,

1326
01:00:47,880 --> 01:00:50,840
how they you know they even you talk about screw

1327
01:00:50,880 --> 01:00:52,320
where there's a lot of people that I like, not

1328
01:00:52,360 --> 01:00:54,840
iiholized Joe, but bring them up and everything, and they're

1329
01:00:54,920 --> 01:00:56,880
rooting for him and that last one with Joe, they

1330
01:00:56,920 --> 01:00:58,360
want to turn back on you. But I was like,

1331
01:00:58,840 --> 01:01:00,639
I feel even watching the show differently, I've been one

1332
01:01:00,639 --> 01:01:02,719
on joke, been taken down for a while. I never

1333
01:01:02,800 --> 01:01:04,960
thought like Beck deserved to die, Like I get it

1334
01:01:04,960 --> 01:01:08,320
because it's like, oh, we hate this woman against the protagonists.

1335
01:01:08,360 --> 01:01:10,079
But it's like, yeah, just be cause she, like I

1336
01:01:10,079 --> 01:01:12,519
don't know what she fucking cheated on Joe May was

1337
01:01:12,519 --> 01:01:15,039
slept around a little. It's like that don't doesn't deserve

1338
01:01:15,119 --> 01:01:16,800
to fucking like then you should have killed.

1339
01:01:16,599 --> 01:01:20,199
Speaker 2: Me twelve teeth. I think my actions are justified.

1340
01:01:21,400 --> 01:01:23,880
Speaker 1: If anyone's feeling bad for that guy, that's where you

1341
01:01:23,920 --> 01:01:26,440
really gotta look in your look in the mirror there.

1342
01:01:26,480 --> 01:01:29,840
But uh no, I really like that actress, and I

1343
01:01:29,880 --> 01:01:33,199
hope she does more than just fucking like five nights

1344
01:01:33,199 --> 01:01:35,119
at Freddy's. You know, I'm not saying she's gonna like

1345
01:01:35,199 --> 01:01:37,119
win an Oscar, but I saw you and I'm like, oh,

1346
01:01:37,119 --> 01:01:40,280
she's charismatic and like not like not trying to take

1347
01:01:40,280 --> 01:01:42,760
shots at anybody. For some reason, she just doesn't look

1348
01:01:42,760 --> 01:01:45,440
like she's aged at all, Like like Penn looks like

1349
01:01:45,440 --> 01:01:47,920
he's age other people, but like she looks like and

1350
01:01:47,920 --> 01:01:50,159
I'm sure's makeup, but like she looks like she's still

1351
01:01:50,239 --> 01:01:52,679
just in that first season of you just like fucking

1352
01:01:52,719 --> 01:01:56,800
frozen trapped. Yeah, yeah, but uh no, she's very agree

1353
01:01:56,800 --> 01:01:59,360
with you. I really like Bronte or you know, Louise

1354
01:01:59,480 --> 01:02:01,199
doing the whole like he took her voice. I think

1355
01:02:01,199 --> 01:02:02,599
that was even a bigger thing too, and not only

1356
01:02:02,679 --> 01:02:06,039
killing her just like just kind of making this fake

1357
01:02:06,159 --> 01:02:09,039
version of her that that's you know, it's he's killing

1358
01:02:09,039 --> 01:02:12,239
her twice in a sense, right, And yeah it's you know,

1359
01:02:12,400 --> 01:02:15,960
talking about the books sold and everything, and yeah, it

1360
01:02:16,000 --> 01:02:17,840
could have been some stronger stuff with her and Bronte,

1361
01:02:17,920 --> 01:02:20,880
but I liked that she he took out all that

1362
01:02:20,920 --> 01:02:27,840
stuff with the book. So anything on, no, you need

1363
01:02:27,840 --> 01:02:29,639
spoken back, you want to go, Taylor.

1364
01:02:30,639 --> 01:02:33,719
Speaker 3: I want to shut out. Sherry and Carrie making a

1365
01:02:33,760 --> 01:02:35,320
little cameo appearance.

1366
01:02:34,960 --> 01:02:37,800
Speaker 2: And that was good linked in the bio.

1367
01:02:38,039 --> 01:02:39,960
Speaker 3: Yeah, blender up.

1368
01:02:40,920 --> 01:02:43,320
Speaker 1: I was really worried when they talked about the book

1369
01:02:43,360 --> 01:02:45,000
because they're like oh, I read this in a book

1370
01:02:45,039 --> 01:02:46,840
that you have the cage down there, and he's like, oh,

1371
01:02:46,880 --> 01:02:49,079
it was my wife. I was worried that's all we're

1372
01:02:49,079 --> 01:02:51,199
gonna get from sharing Carrie, because I like, go, Okay,

1373
01:02:51,199 --> 01:02:53,840
that's it. But that's where so we can talk about

1374
01:02:53,840 --> 01:02:56,800
this because we start transitioning to the end here. Since

1375
01:02:56,920 --> 01:02:59,400
season three, I've been saying, Hey, we need a trial,

1376
01:02:59,480 --> 01:03:01,400
we need this to happen with Joe, we need to

1377
01:03:01,559 --> 01:03:05,400
see everything that's gonna go down. Now. We did get that,

1378
01:03:05,480 --> 01:03:07,480
but I'm gonna talk about my to stay later. But

1379
01:03:07,679 --> 01:03:10,559
what I think at least happened here is they didn't

1380
01:03:10,559 --> 01:03:12,320
want to do like a court room version of it,

1381
01:03:12,360 --> 01:03:13,679
even though I think you could have done at least

1382
01:03:13,679 --> 01:03:15,800
half an episode. So I didn't get the full on

1383
01:03:15,920 --> 01:03:18,480
trial I wanted, but I feel like I got like

1384
01:03:18,559 --> 01:03:21,559
the trial by social media, like I got the mini

1385
01:03:21,639 --> 01:03:25,159
version of that because it was bringing back like dozens

1386
01:03:25,159 --> 01:03:27,480
of characters to talk about, Oh Joe did this to me,

1387
01:03:27,519 --> 01:03:29,000
he did this to my friend, he did this, And

1388
01:03:29,039 --> 01:03:31,800
it's all characters from different seasons. Some you recognize, some

1389
01:03:31,960 --> 01:03:34,400
you don't. And I thought that was great and seeing

1390
01:03:34,480 --> 01:03:37,119
Joe just crash out while this is happening and everything

1391
01:03:37,159 --> 01:03:40,960
going on. I really like that. Again, I wish we

1392
01:03:40,960 --> 01:03:43,079
were got the full on trial because Bronte is like,

1393
01:03:43,760 --> 01:03:46,719
she says, like the whole thing. He doesn't want to die, right,

1394
01:03:47,000 --> 01:03:49,239
He's like, oh kill me. I deserve it. He doesn't

1395
01:03:49,239 --> 01:03:50,760
want to die. She wants to lock him up and

1396
01:03:50,800 --> 01:03:52,280
she's like, no, I want you to sit through every

1397
01:03:52,280 --> 01:03:53,960
store and hear all this, and she says that in

1398
01:03:54,000 --> 01:03:55,920
the monologue, but then only get is I'm just coming

1399
01:03:55,960 --> 01:03:58,239
out of the court doors, and it's like we couldn't

1400
01:03:58,239 --> 01:04:01,280
even got like a ten minute montage of this going

1401
01:04:01,320 --> 01:04:03,480
on with them. But I still like that they, like

1402
01:04:03,519 --> 01:04:07,239
I said, I will accept the what they did social

1403
01:04:07,280 --> 01:04:09,480
media because that's like a commentary on today, right, it's

1404
01:04:09,559 --> 01:04:12,119
like trial by social media people something hate bad happening,

1405
01:04:12,159 --> 01:04:14,960
and people have decided you're guilty before you've even gone

1406
01:04:15,000 --> 01:04:17,960
to speak. So I did like that aspect, and I

1407
01:04:18,760 --> 01:04:22,280
did like where again with Joe crashing out, He's like, no,

1408
01:04:22,480 --> 01:04:24,880
these people were innocent. They all deserved it if they

1409
01:04:24,920 --> 01:04:27,440
only knew my side. That started like a like all that.

1410
01:04:27,599 --> 01:04:29,239
I think Kirkland, you had said that. I can't remember

1411
01:04:29,239 --> 01:04:31,559
when we talked about that of me on a trial.

1412
01:04:31,639 --> 01:04:34,239
I was like, oh, well, I want like Breaking Bad

1413
01:04:34,320 --> 01:04:37,039
or I want like Dexter, where eventually these characters see

1414
01:04:37,039 --> 01:04:40,199
themselves in the mirror and they go, yeah, like I

1415
01:04:40,280 --> 01:04:42,559
deserve all this. Even Bronte said that right when she's

1416
01:04:42,599 --> 01:04:45,599
talking about Joe's fakes story of all this character is

1417
01:04:45,599 --> 01:04:47,239
he not gonna have a recting? He's like, oh, well,

1418
01:04:47,280 --> 01:04:48,880
I lost my son in my house. Is that not

1419
01:04:48,880 --> 01:04:52,079
a wreckting? But she's trying to hint like there should

1420
01:04:52,079 --> 01:04:54,199
be more coming to you for what you've done, right,

1421
01:04:54,199 --> 01:04:56,480
But Joe doesn't get that, And that scene did show

1422
01:04:56,559 --> 01:05:00,679
that didn't matter what people did, he didn't really get it.

1423
01:05:00,679 --> 01:05:03,559
And that's where I'm still conflicted with Joe how he ended,

1424
01:05:03,639 --> 01:05:07,599
because we have that moment where he gets off the

1425
01:05:07,599 --> 01:05:10,800
phone with his son and great scene where his son's like, oh,

1426
01:05:10,840 --> 01:05:12,079
you know, he took me to the bed and said

1427
01:05:12,079 --> 01:05:14,239
there's no monsters like you lied you were the monster.

1428
01:05:14,960 --> 01:05:18,559
When he throws down the phone, he like and Penn's great.

1429
01:05:18,599 --> 01:05:21,280
He's losing. He feels like a psychopath. He's losing. He's

1430
01:05:21,280 --> 01:05:23,920
shade and he's crying and he's like, how did I

1431
01:05:24,000 --> 01:05:26,840
become this? Like am I this monster, like I never

1432
01:05:26,840 --> 01:05:28,400
wanted to be this. I thought that was the moment

1433
01:05:28,440 --> 01:05:31,760
of him finally realizing fuck, like you know, because he

1434
01:05:31,760 --> 01:05:33,840
even says to Bronto, he says, do I deserve this?

1435
01:05:33,880 --> 01:05:37,639
I'm like, oh, he's he's finally it's cracked in and realized.

1436
01:05:37,679 --> 01:05:40,360
But then what happens is he decides, well, how I'm

1437
01:05:40,400 --> 01:05:42,960
gonna get this. I got a fucking tackle Bronte. So

1438
01:05:43,000 --> 01:05:46,519
that's where I'm still yeahs like the big spirit. So

1439
01:05:46,920 --> 01:05:49,039
even at the end when he's in the jail cell,

1440
01:05:49,440 --> 01:05:52,280
much how Joe's delusional, I feel like, and I guess

1441
01:05:52,320 --> 01:05:55,199
I'm not uh it's not a negative, but I feel

1442
01:05:55,199 --> 01:05:58,039
like they never It feels like when he's in the

1443
01:05:58,119 --> 01:06:00,920
jail cell, he's somewhat that thing of it, but he

1444
01:06:01,039 --> 01:06:04,880
still feels bitter about it. So I feel like he's

1445
01:06:04,880 --> 01:06:07,519
still torn character where he sees some aspects that he

1446
01:06:07,559 --> 01:06:10,480
knows he did wrong, but he almost like he feels

1447
01:06:10,519 --> 01:06:13,400
like this shouldn't be like this is too bad of

1448
01:06:13,400 --> 01:06:15,960
a punishment for him. Like it's interesting, and I thought

1449
01:06:15,960 --> 01:06:17,599
they were getting him the breaking point, So I would

1450
01:06:17,639 --> 01:06:19,000
have liked to see how it react to the trial.

1451
01:06:19,360 --> 01:06:21,800
But I did like getting all those characters or most

1452
01:06:21,800 --> 01:06:23,519
of them back, a lot of them back to come

1453
01:06:23,599 --> 01:06:26,320
shout out and you know, put the recting on Joe.

1454
01:06:26,440 --> 01:06:32,159
Speaker 2: So yeah, for sure, No, I completely agree. Yeah, I

1455
01:06:32,320 --> 01:06:32,599
don't know.

1456
01:06:32,639 --> 01:06:35,280
Speaker 4: I like the moment of him just alone in his jail, cell.

1457
01:06:35,440 --> 01:06:38,599
I was okay with him just kind of just being

1458
01:06:38,760 --> 01:06:41,480
Joe at the end play like, you know, not not

1459
01:06:41,840 --> 01:06:44,920
realizing everything that he did wrong, Like he realized the

1460
01:06:44,960 --> 01:06:47,880
situation he was in, but it wasn't like I'm a

1461
01:06:48,000 --> 01:06:51,760
terrible monster, like even after his son, his own son,

1462
01:06:52,159 --> 01:06:54,280
which he you know said multiple times, doing all this

1463
01:06:54,400 --> 01:06:58,599
for his son kind of highlighted that on him, Like

1464
01:06:58,679 --> 01:07:02,079
he still was just, oh, well this sucks. I'm lonely now,

1465
01:07:02,199 --> 01:07:04,119
you know. And he's just reading his book like he's

1466
01:07:04,199 --> 01:07:08,000
just that's just his life. So I I think it

1467
01:07:08,039 --> 01:07:09,679
was okay with it because it just seemed like such

1468
01:07:09,679 --> 01:07:12,039
a fucked up way to handle that situation.

1469
01:07:12,159 --> 01:07:15,360
Speaker 2: He's such a fucked up guy. So yeah, he's definitely

1470
01:07:15,960 --> 01:07:16,880
wacky in the brain.

1471
01:07:19,440 --> 01:07:25,639
Speaker 3: Yeah, I I think him getting that that not being

1472
01:07:25,800 --> 01:07:29,559
given the opportunity to die is good because you just

1473
01:07:29,599 --> 01:07:32,079
see him just freaking out like he wants to die.

1474
01:07:32,320 --> 01:07:33,760
So I don't believe he wants to die, but he's

1475
01:07:33,760 --> 01:07:35,000
saying wants to die, but not.

1476
01:07:36,400 --> 01:07:38,119
Speaker 2: To be lost the cowards way out, because.

1477
01:07:37,920 --> 01:07:39,920
Speaker 3: That's why, Now shoot me, shoot me? And what was

1478
01:07:39,960 --> 01:07:41,880
he do? He does the Roman reigns towards her.

1479
01:07:41,920 --> 01:07:43,039
Speaker 1: He tried it again. He tried.

1480
01:07:43,920 --> 01:07:48,039
Speaker 3: Yeah, lost his dick for it, but yeah, I think

1481
01:07:48,079 --> 01:07:52,440
that him being tormented by the idea of being in

1482
01:07:52,480 --> 01:07:55,519
this small cell, which again he's gonna have major PTSD

1483
01:07:55,760 --> 01:07:58,760
because he was locked in that little box by mister Mooney,

1484
01:07:59,119 --> 01:08:02,480
and then just the idea that he can't find his one,

1485
01:08:02,559 --> 01:08:04,320
that he's always in the hunt for right, it's just

1486
01:08:04,360 --> 01:08:06,800
trapped in this box forever and ever and ever. I

1487
01:08:06,840 --> 01:08:10,119
feel like though, that this ultimate ending with him is

1488
01:08:11,239 --> 01:08:16,399
open ended, even though it's him in jail. He can't

1489
01:08:16,439 --> 01:08:19,359
but I feel like something could happen where he could

1490
01:08:20,520 --> 01:08:23,479
and I don't know. I feel like if they wanted

1491
01:08:23,479 --> 01:08:26,640
to pull this character out of the box ten years

1492
01:08:26,640 --> 01:08:28,920
from now, I feel like there's a chance.

1493
01:08:28,960 --> 01:08:29,880
Speaker 2: I feel like they'll.

1494
01:08:29,680 --> 01:08:32,680
Speaker 3: Be you could see it. But anyways, that's that's the

1495
01:08:32,720 --> 01:08:35,720
later conversation I think with him and his fate right now,

1496
01:08:35,760 --> 01:08:38,479
I think it's fitting. I'm glad that he didn't technically

1497
01:08:38,560 --> 01:08:41,880
get get killed, and he had to face all these

1498
01:08:41,880 --> 01:08:43,640
different things. And when they were talking about the court room scene,

1499
01:08:43,640 --> 01:08:45,800
which we didn't get to see unfortunately, than just talking

1500
01:08:45,800 --> 01:08:48,159
about how it was super messy and all this stuff,

1501
01:08:48,199 --> 01:08:52,000
but the evidence was just mounting and mounting up. But

1502
01:08:52,039 --> 01:08:53,600
it does go to show you how if you play

1503
01:08:53,600 --> 01:08:57,039
your cards right, you can really sway. You know, a

1504
01:08:57,119 --> 01:08:59,920
group like online people or people were all like up

1505
01:09:00,359 --> 01:09:03,600
with him and like, oh you can kill for me, Yeah, yeah, YadA,

1506
01:09:03,600 --> 01:09:05,199
but people were when they were pissed off at him

1507
01:09:05,199 --> 01:09:09,439
and they were like coming forward accusing him. Dottie came forward,

1508
01:09:09,439 --> 01:09:11,560
all these characters came forward from his past and we're

1509
01:09:11,640 --> 01:09:16,239
making all these these claims he made. He had Maddie

1510
01:09:16,279 --> 01:09:18,640
help him with this. But he jumped into the spotlight

1511
01:09:18,680 --> 01:09:21,720
and did that online TikTok right where he was just

1512
01:09:21,800 --> 01:09:25,960
kind of like coming out and opening up to play

1513
01:09:26,000 --> 01:09:30,640
the victim and oh that that got me. He just

1514
01:09:30,880 --> 01:09:33,600
loses his ship. Maddie's looking at him like, what the

1515
01:09:33,600 --> 01:09:36,680
fuck's wrong with you? It makes you look pathetic and

1516
01:09:36,680 --> 01:09:39,159
and all that. Yeah, so that was that was good.

1517
01:09:39,199 --> 01:09:39,640
Speaker 2: That was good.

1518
01:09:39,680 --> 01:09:42,359
Speaker 3: But yeah, he just he plays it off really really well,

1519
01:09:42,399 --> 01:09:45,760
and you see people really starting to believe him with

1520
01:09:45,880 --> 01:09:48,079
all that. But I was trying to figure out I

1521
01:09:48,079 --> 01:09:52,159
couldn't necessarily understand how Bronte like spared him with the

1522
01:09:52,199 --> 01:09:57,159
cops after the accident where he kills Clayton, because he's like, yeah,

1523
01:09:57,199 --> 01:09:59,960
you protected me, and she's like, yeah, I she had

1524
01:10:00,000 --> 01:10:04,000
admitted that she did something to kind of protect He

1525
01:10:04,000 --> 01:10:07,520
said it was self defense, that's all she said, and

1526
01:10:07,560 --> 01:10:09,079
that's what she.

1527
01:10:09,199 --> 01:10:12,000
Speaker 1: Said that the guy Nikki sung, which again, they couldn't

1528
01:10:12,000 --> 01:10:14,319
get John Stamos back either, I guess because they said

1529
01:10:14,319 --> 01:10:16,800
that he got they let John Stamos out, but John

1530
01:10:16,840 --> 01:10:18,760
Stainmoles was like, I'm not because he came back for

1531
01:10:18,800 --> 01:10:20,359
season two, which was funny, so I thought we were

1532
01:10:20,359 --> 01:10:23,600
gonna see him again, but they said that he attacked

1533
01:10:23,600 --> 01:10:26,359
Bronte and Joe was just defending her.

1534
01:10:26,960 --> 01:10:30,880
Speaker 3: Did you did you recognize the cop that was interrogating Bronte.

1535
01:10:30,640 --> 01:10:33,079
Speaker 1: By the way, Yeah, from Big Reindeer.

1536
01:10:32,720 --> 01:10:35,279
Speaker 3: Big Reindeer. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I was trying to pinpoint it.

1537
01:10:35,319 --> 01:10:36,680
I was like, I can't.

1538
01:10:37,720 --> 01:10:40,039
Speaker 1: Yeah. I thought she was gonna be more on the hunt,

1539
01:10:40,119 --> 01:10:41,920
like I thought she was going to take over the case,

1540
01:10:41,960 --> 01:10:44,600
but she was just the interrogator. So I was like, yeah, okay,

1541
01:10:44,680 --> 01:10:47,800
so Netflix Family, I get it, but yeah no, So

1542
01:10:47,880 --> 01:10:49,359
for a couple of weeks, I guess they just thought

1543
01:10:49,399 --> 01:10:53,319
Nicki's son was murdered for self defense because of Joe

1544
01:10:53,359 --> 01:10:58,640
and everything. So terrible way to go out. So oh god,

1545
01:10:58,680 --> 01:11:01,279
oh I'll say this so I don't forget to me

1546
01:11:01,800 --> 01:11:03,479
how I think. So they do this whole montage right

1547
01:11:03,479 --> 01:11:05,359
you're talking, which I was for a second I thought

1548
01:11:05,399 --> 01:11:07,399
they weren't gonna show Joe in jail, which is like,

1549
01:11:07,720 --> 01:11:09,920
I get what they're trying to do of like show

1550
01:11:09,960 --> 01:11:12,520
the women in power. They beat Joe and all this,

1551
01:11:12,640 --> 01:11:14,560
and they're gonna put back on the viewers, but it's

1552
01:11:14,600 --> 01:11:16,359
like he's still gotta end on Joe, And then they

1553
01:11:16,359 --> 01:11:18,520
show the prison in jail, which I forgot to say

1554
01:11:18,600 --> 01:11:21,520
is a few things. One they said that he's not

1555
01:11:21,600 --> 01:11:24,000
allowed I think they said he's not allowed in general

1556
01:11:24,039 --> 01:11:27,680
pop so he is just like secluded by himself like that.

1557
01:11:27,880 --> 01:11:30,479
So that's one thing where we've told those many casts.

1558
01:11:30,520 --> 01:11:34,520
I'm you know, yeah, election going on. I'm pretty liberal,

1559
01:11:34,600 --> 01:11:36,279
I'm pretty with my rights and stuff like that, but

1560
01:11:36,319 --> 01:11:38,800
on death, dolding and stuff like that, I'm full on

1561
01:11:38,880 --> 01:11:42,399
that side there. This is a situation though, where actually

1562
01:11:43,239 --> 01:11:45,279
the guy's got no dick. So I've always said this

1563
01:11:45,319 --> 01:11:47,840
before that you know prisoners, they go in prison, they

1564
01:11:47,880 --> 01:11:50,000
can get off, they can have wargasz a good time.

1565
01:11:50,199 --> 01:11:52,439
Not Joe, no fucking dick. And now he can't talk

1566
01:11:52,520 --> 01:11:55,000
to anybody. He didn't get obsessed with a guy he

1567
01:11:55,039 --> 01:11:58,399
can't get because at one point, I swear I thought

1568
01:11:58,399 --> 01:12:01,319
I heard footsteps. I They're gonna end the show, like

1569
01:12:01,399 --> 01:12:03,520
he was gonna have like a therapist or something, and

1570
01:12:03,560 --> 01:12:06,079
I was like, oh, please, don't fucking do this. But

1571
01:12:06,119 --> 01:12:07,720
they didn't. It was just some guy just you know,

1572
01:12:08,000 --> 01:12:09,720
giving him a letter, like a book or something, and

1573
01:12:09,760 --> 01:12:14,479
that's it. But that this, this is the situation where

1574
01:12:14,479 --> 01:12:16,479
because most people be like, oh, Travis, we want Joe

1575
01:12:16,479 --> 01:12:19,279
to get killed, No, this is perfect. He's got no dick.

1576
01:12:19,399 --> 01:12:21,159
And what does Joe want more than anything to be

1577
01:12:21,239 --> 01:12:24,520
around people that converse, be charismatic, and he can't. He's

1578
01:12:24,520 --> 01:12:27,399
just fucking locked alone. So this is a situation where

1579
01:12:27,399 --> 01:12:29,720
I'm completely for Joe knock and the death penalty, and

1580
01:12:29,720 --> 01:12:31,840
he's just gonna sit there and rob And that's what

1581
01:12:31,880 --> 01:12:33,800
he said he's just like, oh, I couldn't prepare for

1582
01:12:33,880 --> 01:12:36,640
like how bad, Like he thought it was gonna be bad,

1583
01:12:36,720 --> 01:12:38,319
but then once he got there, he's like, this is

1584
01:12:38,399 --> 01:12:40,359
so much more worse. And that's where he's like, I

1585
01:12:40,399 --> 01:12:43,239
don't deserve this. It's like, oh, you fucking piece of shit.

1586
01:12:43,319 --> 01:12:45,399
Like there's so many times too where he's like even

1587
01:12:45,399 --> 01:12:48,159
what Bronte is like, Bronte gets me, she understands. And

1588
01:12:48,159 --> 01:12:50,199
this is where Bronti doesn't even know like half the

1589
01:12:50,199 --> 01:12:53,000
people he's killed, but he's always such a fucking loon

1590
01:12:53,079 --> 01:12:55,720
where he just like materialized things in his head. But

1591
01:12:55,840 --> 01:12:57,800
where I think, so, Dad, I don't think you're wrong

1592
01:12:57,880 --> 01:13:02,319
about sure, and actually wants a new boat. Let's do you?

1593
01:13:02,720 --> 01:13:05,640
Season six? He gets out whatever I could see it

1594
01:13:05,760 --> 01:13:08,159
or Henry's older. But I think what they set up

1595
01:13:08,159 --> 01:13:10,520
because I don't think they put this in here for

1596
01:13:11,039 --> 01:13:13,840
just a random reason. They're doing the whole montage and

1597
01:13:13,880 --> 01:13:16,279
they go to the podcasters and podcasts are like, yeah,

1598
01:13:16,279 --> 01:13:18,279
we work with Bronto whatever, Louise, and we did the

1599
01:13:18,680 --> 01:13:20,439
DA and then I go, oh, what else can you

1600
01:13:20,439 --> 01:13:23,079
tell us, Like, well, we've discovered doing this that there's

1601
01:13:23,119 --> 01:13:25,119
lots of people like Joe out there and we're looking

1602
01:13:25,119 --> 01:13:28,239
into many cases. I think that's what they did, where

1603
01:13:28,319 --> 01:13:31,359
you're gonna get like a you, but it will be

1604
01:13:31,439 --> 01:13:35,720
a new actor, new setting, new country even. I think

1605
01:13:35,760 --> 01:13:38,159
that's what they're gonna do. And I'm not saying Penn

1606
01:13:38,159 --> 01:13:40,039
could never come back. You could even be bring Pen

1607
01:13:40,119 --> 01:13:43,119
in that shows like someone interviewing him right, or you

1608
01:13:43,159 --> 01:13:44,880
could do it a sequel series. But I think what

1609
01:13:44,920 --> 01:13:47,399
they're gonna do is they're gonna at some point they're

1610
01:13:47,439 --> 01:13:50,279
gonna let the you know, corpse set a little bit.

1611
01:13:50,359 --> 01:13:52,359
But I think you're gonna get a you, and maybe

1612
01:13:52,399 --> 01:13:55,159
it's a woman this time, maybe it's an Asian man

1613
01:13:55,319 --> 01:13:55,760
or a black.

1614
01:13:55,920 --> 01:13:57,720
Speaker 3: I felt like they were gonna do with Bronte when

1615
01:13:57,800 --> 01:14:00,880
how Bronte started doing the narrations and I was thinking, Okay,

1616
01:14:00,960 --> 01:14:03,479
is she gonna kill him and she's gonna write the

1617
01:14:03,880 --> 01:14:06,319
book that she was wanting to write and publish it

1618
01:14:06,359 --> 01:14:09,840
and then she's gonna become like the victim new you killer.

1619
01:14:10,399 --> 01:14:14,119
Speaker 1: Well yeah, and they even did that too in season three.

1620
01:14:14,159 --> 01:14:16,880
There was a love episode where she did the narration

1621
01:14:17,000 --> 01:14:19,039
and that was always my pitch. Remember where I said, oh,

1622
01:14:19,039 --> 01:14:20,880
they should have killed Joe off in three and switched

1623
01:14:20,880 --> 01:14:22,800
it over. So that's why I think they're gonna do.

1624
01:14:22,840 --> 01:14:25,680
First is you're gonna see like you and then said

1625
01:14:25,680 --> 01:14:28,439
be like Semi cole on something else, whatever it is,

1626
01:14:28,479 --> 01:14:30,359
And I think that's what you're gonna do to me.

1627
01:14:30,439 --> 01:14:32,680
I think the money is do it from a female perspective.

1628
01:14:33,039 --> 01:14:35,600
I know that could be risky because the whole show

1629
01:14:35,680 --> 01:14:38,560
is about you. You're cheering for this fucking serial killer,

1630
01:14:38,600 --> 01:14:40,439
the psychopath. You don't get it. Like at the end,

1631
01:14:40,479 --> 01:14:41,800
I think it is a good thing of him bringing

1632
01:14:41,800 --> 01:14:43,479
these letters. It's like, maybe I wasn't the problem, it

1633
01:14:43,520 --> 01:14:45,479
was you. Good way to throw it back on the

1634
01:14:45,560 --> 01:14:47,479
list the viewers of like if any point you're cheering

1635
01:14:47,520 --> 01:14:50,399
for Joe, like we talked about against Beckett's, like you

1636
01:14:50,800 --> 01:14:52,680
you know you're on the wrong side of history there.

1637
01:14:52,720 --> 01:14:54,680
You gotta figure that out and think about, you know,

1638
01:14:55,600 --> 01:14:57,600
some life stuff, if you saw any of yourself in

1639
01:14:57,720 --> 01:14:59,600
Joe or you likes Joe, and I think that's what

1640
01:14:59,640 --> 01:15:01,159
they're trying. I had to do with Bronte as well.

1641
01:15:01,239 --> 01:15:02,560
I think they were trying to make her like a

1642
01:15:02,600 --> 01:15:05,000
fangirl the show of like imagine if you met that

1643
01:15:05,199 --> 01:15:07,199
badgely and he's this and that, but I just don't

1644
01:15:07,199 --> 01:15:09,920
think they fully delivered on that. But that, to me

1645
01:15:10,039 --> 01:15:12,880
is the pitch where I think they should. I think

1646
01:15:12,880 --> 01:15:14,880
they should do a female version, and I think that's

1647
01:15:14,880 --> 01:15:16,199
what they're gonna do, because why else would you have

1648
01:15:16,199 --> 01:15:17,920
these podcasts just be like, well, we've found out there's

1649
01:15:17,960 --> 01:15:20,239
many people like Joe, unless it's just like a way

1650
01:15:20,279 --> 01:15:23,560
to like try to warn viewers of like, hey, this

1651
01:15:23,600 --> 01:15:25,680
could happen to you, there's people out there. But I

1652
01:15:25,720 --> 01:15:27,600
think that's just the way because Penn hadn't many times

1653
01:15:27,600 --> 01:15:29,039
said like he won the show to end, so I

1654
01:15:29,039 --> 01:15:31,119
think I think they would have kept going if Penn

1655
01:15:31,159 --> 01:15:33,479
was down. But I think he was done with you know,

1656
01:15:33,560 --> 01:15:35,119
even in that behind the scene things, he's like, I

1657
01:15:35,119 --> 01:15:37,319
don't want to do anything with blood for like many years,

1658
01:15:37,319 --> 01:15:40,640
Like I'm over being covered in blood now. So that's

1659
01:15:40,640 --> 01:15:42,600
my predictions. You're gonna get you. It's gonna be a

1660
01:15:42,600 --> 01:15:44,920
female and then we're gonna go off from there. So

1661
01:15:47,600 --> 01:15:50,880
like it anything else we haven't touched upon.

1662
01:15:54,359 --> 01:15:55,439
Speaker 3: Lady Phoebe came back.

1663
01:15:55,520 --> 01:15:56,079
Speaker 2: That was cool.

1664
01:15:56,479 --> 01:15:58,399
Speaker 1: I was surprised. Yeah, I thought she was still at

1665
01:15:58,439 --> 01:16:02,640
the camp there quote that Marian's still oh yeah, still

1666
01:16:02,680 --> 01:16:06,079
sucking up the quote Marian said to Bronte said, you're

1667
01:16:06,119 --> 01:16:08,319
not stupid when they're talking the books thing, and I

1668
01:16:08,359 --> 01:16:11,039
was like, I just don't believe that. Just throwing that

1669
01:16:11,079 --> 01:16:13,159
out there, and that's all I had. I just didn't

1670
01:16:13,199 --> 01:16:15,199
believe that. More right, this is the section where she

1671
01:16:15,319 --> 01:16:17,279
was refalling in love with them. She's like, Ye're not stupid.

1672
01:16:17,319 --> 01:16:19,680
I'm like, I don't know. I think she kind of is,

1673
01:16:19,840 --> 01:16:24,720
you know. So we got to also, I can't remember

1674
01:16:24,800 --> 01:16:29,119
his name, but from you season two's little helper there

1675
01:16:29,119 --> 01:16:31,800
at the blonde hair and everything like that, that was

1676
01:16:31,840 --> 01:16:34,760
a guy that he had kidnapped and he had let

1677
01:16:34,840 --> 01:16:36,600
go and it did work out. So he was like

1678
01:16:36,640 --> 01:16:38,479
a kind of Joe actually letting someone go. And it's

1679
01:16:38,479 --> 01:16:40,359
funny because Dylan and I on that review were like, Oh,

1680
01:16:40,359 --> 01:16:41,960
I wonder if this guy's gonna come back and be

1681
01:16:42,039 --> 01:16:44,520
his helper, and they never did that. But then in

1682
01:16:44,560 --> 01:16:47,159
this episode they established that he's been helping Joe like

1683
01:16:47,640 --> 01:16:50,800
multiple times throughout the the series. I was like, Okay,

1684
01:16:50,840 --> 01:16:51,880
that's a fun time in there.

1685
01:16:51,960 --> 01:16:54,439
Speaker 2: So, yeah, I was so confused on who that guy was.

1686
01:16:54,800 --> 01:16:56,920
Speaker 1: Yeah, he was like a fixer that Joe like Soul's

1687
01:16:57,000 --> 01:16:59,319
identity for a bit, but then they came to agreement

1688
01:16:59,359 --> 01:17:01,640
and there you go. So I was sure if he

1689
01:17:01,680 --> 01:17:03,399
was gonna Tournham into the cops or not, because he

1690
01:17:03,439 --> 01:17:07,479
was looking very uh, I don't know, not trustworthy at times.

1691
01:17:07,520 --> 01:17:11,479
Speaker 2: But yeah, that's what he said.

1692
01:17:11,319 --> 01:17:13,000
Speaker 1: Right, all right, he did. Yeah, he paid for his

1693
01:17:13,039 --> 01:17:15,159
house with some of that Quinn money or whatnot. So

1694
01:17:15,720 --> 01:17:18,319
any Also, I'm sure we might miss something, but obviously

1695
01:17:18,359 --> 01:17:22,000
lots of episodes. I think we covered the the major stuff.

1696
01:17:22,800 --> 01:17:26,960
Speaker 2: Yeah, no, I think that's good. Close the chapter.

1697
01:17:27,359 --> 01:17:30,359
Speaker 1: Yeah, let's close this chapter because I don't think I

1698
01:17:30,439 --> 01:17:32,640
can't guarantee you we'll be here if there's a You

1699
01:17:32,800 --> 01:17:36,800
spin off, because I think I picture it would be

1700
01:17:36,880 --> 01:17:38,640
kind of like Original Sin, where you know, there's some

1701
01:17:38,680 --> 01:17:39,960
fun to be had, but I don't know where that

1702
01:17:40,039 --> 01:17:41,960
qual is gonna be. Or maybe that's a good thing.

1703
01:17:41,960 --> 01:17:43,359
If you do start with a new girl or a

1704
01:17:43,399 --> 01:17:45,520
new guy, that's where you know, you get to start

1705
01:17:45,560 --> 01:17:48,720
over in a sense. Right, But mister Patz or what

1706
01:17:48,720 --> 01:17:50,760
would you rate this season?

1707
01:17:52,520 --> 01:17:52,680
Speaker 3: Uh?

1708
01:17:53,079 --> 01:17:55,000
Speaker 4: Yeah, I know this is an interesting one because I

1709
01:17:55,000 --> 01:17:59,000
feel like my overall thoughts are more positive, like my, my, my,

1710
01:17:59,079 --> 01:18:01,720
overall school or I think is higher than what like

1711
01:18:01,800 --> 01:18:04,600
just judging the season at its own, which is kind

1712
01:18:04,600 --> 01:18:06,800
of countertooed because you're asked me to read just the season,

1713
01:18:06,840 --> 01:18:10,279
but like my thoughts are biased because this is closing

1714
01:18:10,319 --> 01:18:12,479
to the whole book, you know, so I kind of

1715
01:18:12,479 --> 01:18:13,680
have to look at it as a whole.

1716
01:18:16,760 --> 01:18:22,119
Speaker 2: Yeah, I think I'm gonna go like eight point five

1717
01:18:22,439 --> 01:18:23,880
honestly for this one.

1718
01:18:24,560 --> 01:18:27,359
Speaker 4: Yeah, no, I I think the performances is something that

1719
01:18:27,479 --> 01:18:31,880
really boosts up for me. And also just with Joe,

1720
01:18:32,000 --> 01:18:35,000
you know, getting getting what he uh what he deserves,

1721
01:18:35,039 --> 01:18:39,079
of having no wiener for every boner that he gets

1722
01:18:39,119 --> 01:18:42,000
just fucking hurts.

1723
01:18:42,039 --> 01:18:44,399
Speaker 2: Like that even works. I feel like the blood would

1724
01:18:44,479 --> 01:18:45,520
still want to go there.

1725
01:18:45,560 --> 01:18:51,159
Speaker 1: But like stump, Yeah, it's just like it's just like

1726
01:18:51,199 --> 01:18:53,279
this the thumb halfway, that's what it looks like.

1727
01:18:53,600 --> 01:18:56,640
Speaker 4: Yeah, the whole fists like knuckles and everything, that's just

1728
01:18:56,640 --> 01:18:57,159
what it is.

1729
01:18:57,239 --> 01:18:58,039
Speaker 1: That's a big stump.

1730
01:18:58,079 --> 01:19:01,880
Speaker 4: He had a big cocky the reason you know he's

1731
01:19:01,880 --> 01:19:02,760
getting all these ladies.

1732
01:19:04,199 --> 01:19:09,560
Speaker 2: H yeah, I no, so yeah eight point five. I

1733
01:19:09,600 --> 01:19:11,359
don't really know what else to say. I can getting tired,

1734
01:19:11,439 --> 01:19:14,800
but I'm sure I said it in this episode I'll

1735
01:19:14,840 --> 01:19:15,680
go next because.

1736
01:19:15,479 --> 01:19:18,159
Speaker 1: Maybe Taylor's higher than me. So because I think I'm

1737
01:19:18,199 --> 01:19:20,800
the lowest of you guys, I think I'll be generous

1738
01:19:21,479 --> 01:19:23,960
give it a seven. I was almost more like the

1739
01:19:24,000 --> 01:19:27,520
six point seventy five. But I enjoyed the ending. In

1740
01:19:27,560 --> 01:19:30,680
some episodes, there's just fun twists. Yeah, like I said,

1741
01:19:30,720 --> 01:19:32,199
I think there's some mess. I think there's some stuff

1742
01:19:32,199 --> 01:19:34,680
they could have cut. I think there's multiple characters where

1743
01:19:34,720 --> 01:19:38,760
the writing just wasn't there, but it's still fun show. Yes,

1744
01:19:38,760 --> 01:19:41,640
there was some repetition in some stuff, but I think

1745
01:19:41,680 --> 01:19:44,800
this was pretty much the right spot because I think

1746
01:19:44,880 --> 01:19:46,760
I said this in the season four review and I

1747
01:19:46,800 --> 01:19:50,039
was like, you have to end it now because we've

1748
01:19:50,079 --> 01:19:51,520
seen all this goes, and I guess I think we

1749
01:19:51,560 --> 01:19:53,920
all kind of felt like, Okay, if if Joe would

1750
01:19:53,920 --> 01:19:55,600
have got out of this and there would be season six,

1751
01:19:55,960 --> 01:19:57,119
that's where it's like, I don't know, there would have

1752
01:19:57,159 --> 01:19:59,560
been geek first reviews because I feel like you you're

1753
01:19:59,560 --> 01:20:04,000
getting it some territory of some questionable TV, and I

1754
01:20:04,000 --> 01:20:06,319
think this is the right spot to end it. And yeah,

1755
01:20:06,319 --> 01:20:10,520
so like I said, I'll give it a seven. Still

1756
01:20:10,560 --> 01:20:14,000
some fun moments like the twin Capcher, there's always things

1757
01:20:14,039 --> 01:20:16,479
with you. I think the other seasons had more of that,

1758
01:20:17,079 --> 01:20:21,239
but and overall, I'm yeah, I'm happy it's over. It's

1759
01:20:21,720 --> 01:20:24,359
like I said, right at the point where it's not overstaying,

1760
01:20:24,399 --> 01:20:27,720
it's welcome when the show finished, like, Okay, I'm happy

1761
01:20:27,840 --> 01:20:30,560
with this to move forward. And I'm not sure how

1762
01:20:30,600 --> 01:20:32,840
feel about when I see Penn Bagley and something next

1763
01:20:32,840 --> 01:20:34,880
in the future. It's just because he did. I know

1764
01:20:34,960 --> 01:20:36,680
he's been in many other things, but he did such

1765
01:20:36,720 --> 01:20:39,680
good job with Joe, And yeah, I still think it's

1766
01:20:39,960 --> 01:20:41,960
it's tough because I don't think season four and five

1767
01:20:42,199 --> 01:20:44,560
live up to that degree. But season one to three are,

1768
01:20:44,720 --> 01:20:47,199
for me some of the best seasons of TV. And

1769
01:20:47,239 --> 01:20:51,079
I think unlike you know, like stuff like the c

1770
01:20:51,079 --> 01:20:53,319
literature in this season where it felt very forced, I

1771
01:20:53,359 --> 01:20:55,840
think those first three seasons were really good at having

1772
01:20:55,840 --> 01:20:57,520
their finger on the pulse of things that were going

1773
01:20:57,560 --> 01:21:00,319
on in our society with dating and the men woman

1774
01:21:00,399 --> 01:21:03,359
dynamic and with creep guys, and I think they just

1775
01:21:03,479 --> 01:21:05,840
hit the nail. They had more than other places have,

1776
01:21:06,319 --> 01:21:08,479
and I think it was a star making show as well,

1777
01:21:08,600 --> 01:21:11,840
especially for a couple of people. So uh yeah, I'm

1778
01:21:12,000 --> 01:21:13,960
very happy with the show. I'll be excited to return

1779
01:21:14,039 --> 01:21:15,880
to it in the future. I did the rewatch, but

1780
01:21:15,880 --> 01:21:17,560
I don't need to rewatch it for a while now.

1781
01:21:18,000 --> 01:21:21,560
Seasons one to three some ultra great television. Season four

1782
01:21:21,640 --> 01:21:25,399
or five definitely lacking, but some good time because Yeah,

1783
01:21:25,439 --> 01:21:27,479
Penn badgley Man, he did a great job. It's much

1784
01:21:27,600 --> 01:21:29,840
like I've said this before, but it's much like Michael

1785
01:21:29,880 --> 01:21:32,880
clad Dexter. He's just fun with that character. Whatever way

1786
01:21:32,880 --> 01:21:35,119
he's written, he does such a good job with that character.

1787
01:21:35,720 --> 01:21:37,800
And in this season, I guess I would say this

1788
01:21:37,880 --> 01:21:40,960
is the most like Beastly, you get him where it's

1789
01:21:40,960 --> 01:21:43,479
always like Joe's on that line of going cracking. There's

1790
01:21:43,479 --> 01:21:45,640
many times even there's times where I felt like the

1791
01:21:45,640 --> 01:21:48,800
way he spoke sound closer to the ADR than ever.

1792
01:21:49,039 --> 01:21:50,560
And I feel like we got lots of ADR this

1793
01:21:50,560 --> 01:21:52,560
season where it was him very angry, which was not

1794
01:21:52,600 --> 01:21:54,239
the case all the time. I felt like we got moments.

1795
01:21:54,279 --> 01:21:57,359
So this was definitely like, Okay, the mask is if

1796
01:21:57,520 --> 01:21:59,399
if season four ended and you're like, oh, I want

1797
01:21:59,399 --> 01:22:01,840
to see what Joe's like, I felt like you got

1798
01:22:01,840 --> 01:22:04,279
that this season because there's times where before he'd be like, oh,

1799
01:22:04,359 --> 01:22:06,920
let me figure this out. This season's okay, I'll give

1800
01:22:06,960 --> 01:22:08,920
them fifteen minutes. If no, I'm gonna kill this man.

1801
01:22:08,960 --> 01:22:11,760
You love running front. You're like Jesus Christ like and

1802
01:22:11,920 --> 01:22:14,359
that's like a compromise for him. And it's like, no,

1803
01:22:14,439 --> 01:22:18,199
that's like a fucking that's worst case scenario. So seven

1804
01:22:18,960 --> 01:22:20,960
good time. You know, thanks for the memories. And these

1805
01:22:20,960 --> 01:22:23,960
were some fun moments and fun reviews and it's fun

1806
01:22:24,000 --> 01:22:27,840
gifts and memes and yeah, there's some great times with you,

1807
01:22:27,920 --> 01:22:30,399
and I think they ended just pretty much at the

1808
01:22:30,479 --> 01:22:32,880
right time. So, mister Field, and it's off here.

1809
01:22:33,880 --> 01:22:36,960
Speaker 3: I'm gonna give this a good old fashioned seven point five,

1810
01:22:37,680 --> 01:22:42,760
not too high, not too low. Yeah, this season is

1811
01:22:42,800 --> 01:22:46,920
a pick me up from its predecessor. And again, like you, Travisy,

1812
01:22:47,000 --> 01:22:48,960
it's a seasons one to three those are really really

1813
01:22:49,000 --> 01:22:52,239
really awesome. I like those and season four just it

1814
01:22:52,319 --> 01:22:55,960
stands out in retrospective just not being aces for me.

1815
01:22:56,520 --> 01:22:58,640
But it got us to where we are now. You know,

1816
01:22:58,640 --> 01:23:01,159
if we're back in New York where in some familiar

1817
01:23:01,199 --> 01:23:04,079
things that being said to everyone, they brought their a game.

1818
01:23:04,119 --> 01:23:07,760
I think badly. It's just phenomenal as this character. He

1819
01:23:07,960 --> 01:23:14,920
lives and breathes it. But yeah, it's it's it's interesting

1820
01:23:14,920 --> 01:23:17,039
to see if they are going to do something in

1821
01:23:17,039 --> 01:23:18,720
the future, which a part of me is partial of

1822
01:23:18,760 --> 01:23:21,920
the believing that they will absolutely because yeah, they kept

1823
01:23:21,920 --> 01:23:24,159
the guy alive, and maybe they're big fans of dexter

1824
01:23:24,800 --> 01:23:28,279
Resurgence or or whatever, who knows, but our new blood

1825
01:23:28,319 --> 01:23:31,880
new blood.

1826
01:23:32,039 --> 01:23:36,800
Speaker 1: Yeah, imagine Madge a dexter Mon Trinity killer from the

1827
01:23:36,800 --> 01:23:38,840
scut Man if they met him, the gel Prado skin

1828
01:23:39,039 --> 01:23:43,640
funck Man, I would love to be Jimmy Spins and yeah,

1829
01:23:43,680 --> 01:23:45,560
but you could be right, could be reason that left them,

1830
01:23:45,600 --> 01:23:47,279
Like I think, no matter what you see the U Brad,

1831
01:23:47,399 --> 01:23:50,319
even if they did like remember, uh, I guess Terry

1832
01:23:50,359 --> 01:23:52,960
sawt too, but I remember fucking El Camino. You can

1833
01:23:53,039 --> 01:23:54,439
even do that in the future, right of like a

1834
01:23:54,479 --> 01:23:56,479
two hour movie with Joe or something like that.

1835
01:23:56,560 --> 01:23:57,399
Speaker 3: Yeah, that's true.

1836
01:23:57,439 --> 01:24:01,239
Speaker 1: There's definitely avenues too. And ask him ten years now.

1837
01:24:01,239 --> 01:24:03,680
I think he's sick of the role right now, but

1838
01:24:04,239 --> 01:24:06,720
years ago later, you could be Michael Seal. It's always

1839
01:24:06,720 --> 01:24:08,680
something in the back you can break out, you know.

1840
01:24:09,359 --> 01:24:14,359
Speaker 3: Yeah, Yeah, but that's that's it. It's it's a. It

1841
01:24:14,359 --> 01:24:16,840
can be a heavy show. And like when it's Sunday

1842
01:24:16,920 --> 01:24:20,800
at like eleven am to two pm and you're watching

1843
01:24:20,880 --> 01:24:23,720
like four episodes, it's like fuck, you just start to

1844
01:24:23,720 --> 01:24:26,920
feel like shit because it's not a mentally healthy show.

1845
01:24:27,079 --> 01:24:30,039
There's just Joe is not a healthy character. There's a

1846
01:24:30,039 --> 01:24:33,000
lot of really negative stuff going on. But I am

1847
01:24:33,079 --> 01:24:35,119
happy that it has it has come to an end

1848
01:24:35,159 --> 01:24:36,960
for now. We've got our got our ending and we

1849
01:24:37,039 --> 01:24:40,000
finished off the the review in full.

1850
01:24:40,800 --> 01:24:43,359
Speaker 1: Yeah we did, and not to see. But I feel

1851
01:24:43,399 --> 01:24:46,119
like other than like I know, Tarror and I might review,

1852
01:24:46,119 --> 01:24:48,039
we'll probably review the Stranger Things, but I think they're

1853
01:24:48,079 --> 01:24:50,840
spliting in the two and maybe squid Game, but it's

1854
01:24:50,920 --> 01:24:52,560
kind of the ending of an era or two because

1855
01:24:52,560 --> 01:24:54,600
it feels like lots of streaming stares other Netflix and

1856
01:24:54,640 --> 01:24:57,720
the show's we reviewer going back to the one episode

1857
01:24:57,760 --> 01:24:59,720
drops or like you know and Ors three. That's a

1858
01:24:59,800 --> 01:25:03,479
rare but there's not many binge reviews we do anymore.

1859
01:25:03,199 --> 01:25:06,079
Speaker 3: You know, so and especially after season four of You

1860
01:25:06,159 --> 01:25:08,039
because I was part one, part two, so we did

1861
01:25:08,079 --> 01:25:10,239
two reviews for that, didn't we Yeah.

1862
01:25:10,119 --> 01:25:12,840
Speaker 1: We did because they were sped by a month. So yeah,

1863
01:25:12,840 --> 01:25:14,520
I know it's kind of a end of an era

1864
01:25:14,600 --> 01:25:17,119
there of a certain times Geek Versus's funny with Daredevil

1865
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coming back that used to be binge. So we'll see

1866
01:25:19,199 --> 01:25:22,119
and who knows, maybe in five years of Geek Versus

1867
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still ticking and Joe finds God or her breaks out

1868
01:25:24,760 --> 01:25:27,119
of there, or we'll see a new show is who knows,

1869
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But we hope you enjoy this. Go back and watch

1870
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or listen to all the other reviews and let us

1871
01:25:30,720 --> 01:25:33,079
know what you thought about on Discord or whatever. And

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I promise we hear for us next. It'll not be boring.

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Speaker 2: Bye bye bye,