Speaker 1: What is up, fellow Cicicos. I am Danpa Valley, a
little delirious Danpha Valley coming at you with getting changed,
changing wardrobes at least what four to six times per
day at this point, the certified fantabulous mister Grant Hughes
rumor has an NBA free agency is happening, so we're
gonna be here to talk about it. Mostly everything that
happened in day one. We will react to anything breaking
hopefully if it happens. But other than that, Grant before
we kind of canon ball in and we're gonna hit
most teams, maybe every team that we talked about. Will
do a quick rundown at the end of like kind
of smaller type stuff for you, Cico, the siccoist.
Speaker 2: Of Sicicos, truest Sicicos.
Speaker 1: Right, But first, Grant, howck are you doing?
Speaker 3: I feel fresh as a daisy because I've been my
third shirt of the day. It has been a sweaty day,
partly because of free agency, partly because of being outside
and it's one hundred degrees here, so I feel fantastic.
I can't believe we're here again, but I think it's time.
I think it's time to discuss NBA Free Agency Day
number one.
Speaker 1: Let's without further ado, let's just let's just dive right
into this. We're gonna begin with the single biggest move
that I think has happened so far. I mean, like monetarily,
like teams keeping key players. Sure, but the Denver Nuggets.
We're gonna tackle this each side, so like the Brooklyn
Nets will be next. But from the Denver Nuggets side,
they traded excuse me, Michael Porter Junior and a twenty
thirty two first round pick for Cam Johnson. That pick
is unprotected of note this was definitely financially motivated. MPJ
has two years and seventy nine point one million left
on his deal. Cam is at two years and forty
three million. And then the Denver Nuggets also got Bruce
Brown in one year vet's minimum. I know Bruce Brown
isn't championship Denver Nuggets Bruce Brown, but that's like a
nice depth piece to add Grant. I'm really interested before
I give my thoughts, which I've already written about, but
I'm very interested to hear your thoughts on this show.
Speaker 2: So I think I I like it.
Speaker 3: Just upfront, I think it's interesting to note that in
this case it seems like an unprotected first round pick
is basically you could frame it as basically the cost
of seventeen million ish dollars in savings over each of
the next two years, which is the rough difference between
Cam Johnson and mpj's salaries.
Speaker 2: Cam Johnson is older than MPJ.
Speaker 3: You could, however, make the case too that he's a
better player. I think Porter Junior has more of a
reputation as just I can't leave him gunner, but the
percentages are close enough at least last year, and and
Cam Johnson actually per thirty six has gotten up more threes.
Speaker 2: Than MPJ has in each of the last two seasons.
Speaker 3: So if it's a specialist year after, I think they're comparable.
I do think Cam Johnson probably it's hard to say
this now in the wake of MPJ really gutting it
through that shoulder injury and you know, defending as well
as he could and getting in there to rebound. I
think you could argue that Cam john might be a
little more well rounded, can do a little bit more
with the ball defensively, might be a little better all
things being equal, I think as we're getting here from
Colton in the chat the durability issue, which you normally
associate the problem with MPJ, Johnson has actually played way
less than MPJ in for that. Yeah, it's so that's it.
Speaker 1: He's never played the equivalent of seventy games.
Speaker 2: Right, So that's an issue.
Speaker 3: The cost is just it enables Denver to maybe do more,
and so it's not just Johnson for MPJ. Obviously the
pick is in there, so I I like it for Denver,
and I also I very much like Bruce Brown.
Speaker 2: I agree he's probably.
Speaker 3: Not Championship Bruce Brown, but you know when he was
last Championship Bruce Brown.
Speaker 2: When he was with Denver. So let's just assume that
we're going to get the best version of Bruce Brown,
not a lot of guys that look great with Yokich
and then leave have circled back to prove whether or
not it is just Yokich, like Gary Harris needs to
come back to test that theory. But I like it.
I'm curious what you put a fair amount of thought
into this because you wrote on it. Where are you
on the on the on the swap?
Speaker 1: I like that you think I put thought into the
things that I write, But.
Speaker 2: Well, more than I just did.
Speaker 1: I understand it, and I think that it could work out.
But there's like a real risk here because you're not
getting deeper as a result of this trade. It's just
Cam Johnson, Michael. But you're saving money, and so I
want to see what that money turns into. Is it
tax savings for John Josh Cronkey or are you gonna
go and spend it? Because now you have access to
most of the non taxpayer em and like, if you
figure out a way to dump like Zeke Najy or
Dario shar it's like you can get all the way
and we don't need to get We've looked, we've criticized
the Nuggets for not being aggressive enough to improve around
na Kola Jokic. So I can't sit here and get
bent out of shape that you gave up that, you know, Jokics.
That's age thirty six season for Jokic with that UH
draft pick that's going out at the same time to
send that out and it's really just a one for
you're not getting any deeper, And I think it's, like
you said, it's justifiable to say that it's an upgrade.
I would agree that it's probably an upgrade. I mean,
Cam Johnson just shot fifty eight percent on two thirty
nine percent on threes while in whatever Brooklyn. That's like
we're running out for the latter half of the year,
and I know he missed some time. Is it a
big enough upgrade though, to justify the opportunity cost of
what could have that pick have gotten you, like else,
like down the line or as you attached it to
other salary. To me, this skew's just a little too
far towards they really wanted to get off Michael Porter
Junior's money. With that being said, that's a very reflexive,
this very moment take. If they go out and spend
money to get someone else in here that's going to
be a top seven rotation member, that changes the calculus
because then you're effectively it's Michael Porter Junior in twenty
thirty two for Cam Johnson and player X. And so
this feels like a very I don't think it's a
bad deal for the Nugets. I want to make clear
Clam Johnson's gonna be a fantastic fit next to you,
O Kitsch, but older hasn't play as much. Who knows,
you know, if he was on a different team last year,
maybe wanted to play any more games. But I just
there is an opportunity cost and a risk profile here.
Speaker 3: I would say I agree with sort of the foundational
issue here is the savings can't just be savings. They
have to something has to be done with the money
Denver is saving in this deal, because I, like I said,
you can make the case that this is lateral or
maybe an improvement, but it has to lead to additional
depth and like another meaningful player or two coming in
for it to be a home run. And if that
look so, it's it's not quite a TBD, because I
think you could defend it on its own, especially if
you think, well Bruce Brown, I don't know, is like
now they've got two rotation players and they just gave
up one, so they've increased their depth that way. But
the Brown signing is so small comparatively that it's you know,
it's not like they saved all this money in the
trade so they could go get Bruce Brown. It has
to be somebody else or a couple of somebody's I
think to really put this over the top for Denver.
If it is, as you said, just savings for ownership.
Then I hate this trade. You can't give up you
can't give up distant first unprotected or to save the
owner money.
Speaker 1: It does seem now like Josh Cronky was like inarguably
talking about Michael Porter Junior and his press conference or
he was mentioned like we're one catastrophic injury away from
having to trade Nicola jokicch and I just feel like
Michael Porter June, like the offcore comments, he's like did
someone take the podcast microphone out of his hands? Like please,
I beg somebody, anybody, But as a basketball player, like
seeing him gut out the shoulder injury during these players
like that was just like that run me a little
bit of the wrong way. But I think this is
I think it's largely fine for Demro, but I'm curious
to see what happens next. Are you ready to go
over to the Brooklyn side of things?
Speaker 2: Yeah?
Speaker 1: Do you want to take us through any additional details
here that don't have to do with the trade package?
Speaker 3: Well, as you said, the pick's unprotected, there's the seventeen
million there coming.
Speaker 2: Basically both years.
Speaker 3: They still have the nets. This maybe the the most
interesting aspect of this. They still have the most cap space,
but it is significantly reduced that between seventeen and twenty
five million left under the cap. Part of that also
is because they re signed Dayaron Sharp for two years
and twelve they re signed Zier Williams for two years
the twenty six twenty seven season. There is a team
option that's also a twelve ish million dollar deal, I
think if I recall correctly, So I'm a look, this
is what we kind of wanted them to do with
their cap space anyway, is to is to take on
money with a pick attached and or be a facilitator
and a three team deal.
Speaker 2: So this is kind of what we were asking for.
Speaker 3: It is like it kind of limits them a little bit, right,
you can't they were never gonna sign a max guy.
But now that that chunk they had to kind of
use as a facilitator is significantly reduced, They're still the
main player. You're still coming to Brooklyn if you're trying
to swing a deal and you can't make the money work.
But you know, this is this is a kind of
a limiting move in some ways.
Speaker 1: It is, but like the upside on that pick is
insane and Michael Porter, it's good that's not like Michael
Porter Junior is also someone that couldn't you flip for value,
if not this season, then next summer as an expiring contract.
Speaker 3: Yeah, it'd be interesting to see where he writes it
just to say next summer, where when theoretically there's just
more flexibility around the league what he's viewed as like
value wise, you know, considering you had to give up
an unprotected pick to move him just now, Like it's
gonna be quite a turn about if you're getting draft
capital for him. But that's not out of the realm
of possibility, especially if he puts together another seventy five
was like seventy seven and eighty one games the last
couple of years. If he just continues to be durable
and shoots it like he has, then I think, you know,
he's never going to be Oh that's a hugely positive value,
but you might be able to get something for him.
Alan Davis in the chat says to circle back to
the Nuggets, and Nuggets are reportedly in the mix for
Horford or Yaboos selling. I wouldn't be surprised if there
was more, I mean a minimum sure, but I think
Yabuh or Horford would cost you most of the flexibility
I would love, I mean, find me a team I
wouldn't love Al Horford on. Yeah, but I very much
disagree with this because Al Horford has to go to
the Warriors or I'm gonna be upset. So what do
you think, like him anywhere else?
Speaker 1: What do you think about the idea of using like
if you're presumably I mean, maybe he signs for something
ridiculously low, but like of using like your best spending
tool left on a big when Yokich is your best player,
like Al Horford at least, and I guess Yabu Selly too,
at least those are bigs that, in theory you could
play with Yo Kitch a little bit. Not I wouldn't
want that to be a core line. I mean maybe Horford.
I mean, I'm just Horford pilled. Anybody knows this at
this point.
Speaker 2: Yeah, same.
Speaker 3: I think, like, well, there's kind of two ways to
come at it, and they're sort of butting up against
each other. One is like, well, it's stupid to spend
resources on someone who in the games that matter, like
Yokic is gonna play forty three minutes or whatever it is,
or more if he has to so, and and the
games that matter are the ones the Nuggets are trying
to win and should care about. So like allocation of
resource wise, like, I don't know if I love it,
But then there's the fact that like Denver has worn
down in multiple seasons now, and Aaron Gordon can't just
be asked to play backup center all the time, so
you do need a body there.
Speaker 2: I just it's tough. I like. So that's all to say.
Speaker 3: I would understand it if the Nuggets went that route
and spent resources on a backup big. It's just you'd
hate to see Al Horford play seven minutes in a
postseason game because you're just playing Yokichen Gordon until they
fall apart.
Speaker 1: I find that I'm liking this deal more for the
Nets than I think consensus, and like it a little
bit less than for the Nuggets. Like I maybe I
over romanticize the upside on those picks that far out,
but an unprotected pick seven drafts away, and I am
kind of interested. Over the past three seasons, Michael Porter
Junior has shot sub thirty two percent on threes with
Nicole Yokitch off before. But I am still kind of
seeing like I still want to see what he's like
in a more featured role, which presumably he'll have because
the best passer around the nets right now, Grant as
we're recording this is yaeg Or Demon. I would argue, right, so,
like Michael Porter Junior is gonna have to do some
more on ballwork, and I'm just kind of curious to see.
Like in Denver, we saw it like to some extent,
it didn't always end well some of the jumpers he
would take, but this is different. Jordani Fernandez, head coach.
I'm just I'm still curious to see it. But I
like the upside of that pick, and it does sort
of seem like, you know, the way that the Colin
Sexton and we'll get to that, like going to Charlotte
and then the Jazz just buying out Jordan Clarkson. Is
the salary dumping market not necessarily as lucrative as you
would expect when they are only how many teams are
looking to either slash money to get out like what
Boston was doing and they had players where they could
get compensation for them basically, or the Suns like you
just you don't have a lot of teams in those
like desperate situations, and Denver isn't desperate. I'm still curious
to see whether this was a money saving move or
just to open up the mle. But I think to
get a twenty thirty two unprotected pick on a team
whose timeline is very much like the next two to
three years, and when Jamal Murray and Aaron Gordon are
like getting up there and they have a lot of
miles on their treads. Oh yeah, I like this deal
for Brooklyn.
Speaker 3: I like it fine too. I mean the upside's undeniable.
It's just it's again, it's so far out and just
who knows.
Speaker 1: The And now, by the way, the Kevin Durant trade
tree as disappointed, not Mansun's fan. The comments that's still
waiting for the crazy loved me some Cam Johnson and
Katie got traded. So you look at a KAD trade tree. Now,
how many what have they turned him into? Like a
dozen first round picks when that's insane.
Speaker 2: I think they're they're ahead on the picks. That seems fair.
Speaker 3: Yeah, no, it like again, I'd be curious to know
how many other offers were out there that could have
gotten could have gotten the nets an unprotected pick there.
This may have just you know, this may have been
the best possible thing they could have done.
Speaker 2: We'll have to see.
Speaker 1: We move on to I don't even know the order
at this point of totally yeah, the Rockets just like
flexing embarrassment of Rich's muscles. Quite frankly, they get doing
Finny Smith four years, fifty three million, that's most of
the non tax pay m Lee. The Rockets are just
so in their bag that they signed Clint Capella for
three years and twenty one point five million without legally
being able to do so. That's going to be a
sign and trade with the Hawks. We have no details
yet as we're recording this on what those details are
going to be. They got the Jabari Smith junior extension
five years and one hundred and twenty two million. We
that'll kick in in twenty six, twenty seven. That's an
incredible deal. Like I know, he hasn't done much there
because they're so deep, but I think bar Smith could
be an All Star one day, and so to get him,
I'm like that far below the Max Grant. He was
never gonna get the Max upsurd. And then they brought
back Jeff Green, Jay Schantate and Aaron Holliday for one
year veteran minimums, and of course we know they already
traded Jaalen Green, Dylan Brooks and the number ten pick
which turned into Malawatch for what's his name? Cam? Who
they get grant.
Speaker 2: Some Kevin guy Willis.
Speaker 1: I think, Yeah, I think Kevin Kevin Kevin Willis. What
are you thinking about what the Rockets are doing? Right? Yeah?
Speaker 3: So the Capella one was I did a I did
a double double take on the Capella one because I
just like, well, they got Steven Adams back, uh he
extended and you've you've got still got obviously Alprin Shangoon
is like somehow forgotten.
Speaker 2: Uh so what's the theory of Capella? Like what? I
I guess.
Speaker 3: You're banking on Adams missing time you want another conventional
big like I I was. I was surprised by the
Capella move.
Speaker 2: The money's fine.
Speaker 3: I mean, you're you're seven million a year. I I like,
that's a pretty pretty solid value for a guy who,
you know, may or may not be like a legit
starting caliber center anymore, but he's an insurance guy. I'm
just I just never in my in my like you know,
thinking about what the Rockets needed ever landed on Capella.
Speaker 2: Do you like, what did you bump on that too?
Or is it just like sure they need another big Yeah?
Speaker 1: I kind of felt they needed because how were you
supposed to play five centers at once if you only
if you have viewer than five centers on the roster.
Speaker 3: Yeah, they worked, double big, Yeah, double big work. So
I want maybe three? Uh No, I don't know. It's fine,
the money's not gonna kill you. But I would imagine too,
there's gonna be maybe a team option the Rockets like those,
or partial guarantee or something once the rest people.
Speaker 1: Come out because sign and trades only need to have
one guaranteed year on it.
Speaker 2: It could be a Johndale situation, right, like everything is
not guaranteed.
Speaker 1: So that was that was a little bit surprising. But yeah,
like why don't you just play Clint Cappella, Jabbari Smith Junior,
Steven Adams, Alpa and Shangoun all at once at this point?
Then who's your other big We'll call it Am and Thomson,
Atari Easton and just.
Speaker 2: Kevin Kevin Durant. Everybody's six' ten or.
Speaker 1: Taller, interesting what CAN i give you my theory on the,
dory AND i already gave you this when we were
doing The Bleacher report.
Speaker 2: SHOW i will find a way to PRETEND i haven't heard.
Speaker 1: IT i find a way to bring every Single rockets
transaction back To Read. Shepherd and so that's What i'm
gonna do. Here Dorian Finney smith does feel like an
embarrassment Of richard's, type signing to, Me, yes you Lost Owen,
brooks but you Have Aman, thompson you Have Tarry, easton
you Have Cam whitmore that like he can do things
not as good as a. DEFENDER i might want to
make that, clear but like this just makes me believe
because they could still use another ball handler or, PASSER
i think they should unleast Read, shepherd and right, now
like that's their only, option right is Because Kevin durant
is just he can still do so many, things but
like running your entire offense is not what he should be.
Doing and SO i take this as a sign that
The Read shepherd experience is gonna be progressively higher volume next.
Season and you know, What grant The rocket's gonna a
plus plus plus for.
Speaker 3: That for, ME i was gonna ask, you are you
here for it at, all BECAUSE i kind of think
you might BE.
Speaker 1: I might move To houston for. It i'm there for.
It i'm not just saying you're about to be. THERE
i love.
Speaker 2: It, yeah you're gonna be on on the ground for.
Speaker 3: It uh, YEAH i think that's a fair assessment of,
it and, like, look it should.
Speaker 2: Be he was a super high lottery pick.
Speaker 3: That came with this crazy statistical pedigree and then just didn't.
Play SO i, yeah you almost independent of anything, else
you kind of gotta find out what's there because The,
rockets just Like Jabari smith just signed his, extension there's
gonna be plenty more of. Those come and Read shepherd
before you know it'll be. Eligible so you got you
gotta get some do some fact, finding get some information.
There Finny smith here though maybe maybe it's we'll touch
on this more so with The, LAKERS i think when
we get to. Them but this was surprising to me
because for, him this is And i'm gonna regurgitate WHAT
i said earlier on our br, stream like doesn't this
feel like he decided that The rockets were just the
better win now option because The lakers have way more
minutes to give him and could have done similar.
Speaker 1: MONEY I i view it more as they weren't willing
to do similar, money which is what we'll get into with,
them is okay're really prioritizing keeping their books clean because
you could have paid him more than. THAT i expected
him to opt, in like for the fifteen million or
whatever is an extent off that, number and now he
ends up signing for less than like the non tax
payer mid level per. Year so, yeah he locked in
more long term. Security and he is what was he
thirty one, thirty so he's like in his. Thirties but,
YEAH i it's this just surprised me BECAUSE i kind
of thought if The rockets were gonna do, anything it'd
either be maybe another trade or just be, extensions or
maybe they would Sign like would they just come in
and pick up one of these guards like that could
handle the, ball run the offense for a little. BIT
i did not. See, no you know, what we don't
have like enough perimeter defense on this, team like we
got we we have to go get. MORE i mean
they have sufficiently insulated Out, arnhengun who got better, defensively
but then like they. Don't he could do, nothing and
they're probably still gonna have a top five defense when
he's on the like just just insane their. Shape but
how do you feel about the offense? Overall now?
Speaker 2: THOUGH i mean it just you.
Speaker 3: You so you Remove Dylan, brooks you Remove Jalen, green
you swap In Kevin, durant the offense is just better.
PERIOD i would assume.
Speaker 2: Too that, yes, hot Take Finney SMITH i think will
help a little.
Speaker 3: BIT i, mean, yeah he's got more offensive, JUICE i
guess in a half court, setting particularly than Like easton.
DOES i think, really if you're looking for real offensive
growth and independent of The durant, deal, organic it's coming
From Cam, whitmore and it's coming From Reed, shephard it
might be coming From Jabari.
Speaker 2: Smith so, yeah we're.
Speaker 1: Supposed to get minutes on this team now With Dorrian
Phinney smith, here.
Speaker 2: It's gonna be.
Speaker 3: TOUGH i mean he may be a trade. Candidate, Look
Finney smith at that number is a great trade. Candidate
every good team should Want Finney smith on that. Contract
so like The rockets just, happened like he's a great trade.
Speaker 2: Asset now if nothing, Else.
Speaker 3: If whitmore proves to be so good that you can't keep,
him off the floor And smith on that.
Speaker 2: New, deal you have to play.
Speaker 3: Him, well all, right we can Trade Finney smith for
positive value.
Speaker 1: Like no.
Speaker 2: Problem.
Speaker 1: Uh and, finally do you think Like Jabari smith willant
Like Tari easton is also extension? Eligible do you think
he gets significantly less than five? Years and let's just,
say like an average of what does this end up
being like twenty five million a? Year close to? IT
i guess because he's gonna. Play he's always been a
lower minute guy than Your Barr smith junior for the most.
Part but now The rockets have a trillion? Bigs is that?
So what would you do you? Think? ONE i think
he'll get an extension the way The rockets have handled their.
Business what do you like If Barr smith was almost
twenty five million a, year do you think he's gonna crack?
TWENTY i don't think. SO i.
Speaker 3: Wonder i'm not as certain that he's going to get an.
EXTENSION i just you can't do it for. Everybody AND
i Think, ethan while he has like very clear positive
ways to positively impact the, GAME i just don't know
if offensively he's at a level where you need him
to be to just go twenty million a. YEAR i, think,
like you, know, again twenty million isn't what he used to,
be BUT i would either hold off or see if
he's willing to take fifteen sixteen something like that as
a starting.
Speaker 1: Salary we are going to talk about The lakers, Now,
Grant so in addition to LOSING, dfs you want to
take us through what else they got going?
Speaker 2: On?
Speaker 1: Nothing nothing, big, Right, no nothing?
Speaker 3: Big Just Lebron james opting in for the first time
his entire, career in his entire, career and look.
Speaker 2: Like, that that's one to.
Speaker 3: Unpack we Had dave mcmanhamon reporting earlier this afternoon that you,
know look that essentially, No james hasn't asked for a.
Trade there's been no discussion about.
Speaker 2: That the fact is.
Speaker 3: This is sort of the way for. Him opting in
is kind of the way to if you wanted to
get yourself, traded that's the step, one as opposed to
doing another one plus one or some of the other.
Speaker 2: Options that may have been.
Speaker 3: There to, me the question, is was this A lebron
decision to pick it up or was it A lakers
broadcasting to him that, hey maybe another deal is not really.
There for you if you opt, out certainly an extension
may not be. There that kind of. Stuff so this
is kind of the core question for The. Lakers some
of the other, MOVES i, mean Signing Jake laavia for
two years and twelve million IS i kind of like that,
Signing BUT i don't know if that gives us any
information on what you mentioned earlier related To Finny smith,
leaving which is to, say are The lakers just kind
of not gap yearing it but maybe looking more towards
next season and rhorianing Around, Luca, like, yeah Maybe reorian
Around luca no matter, what because he's clearly the new.
Cornerstone BUT i think cora off season issue here is
are Is lebron the guy that's not sure about The
lakers or The lakers not sure About? Lebron and some
of The Finney smith, one as you pointed, out kind
of signals it might be that The lakers are not
sure about veteran long, term big money guys.
Speaker 1: Anymore, Right that's my read on it. COMPLETELY i like
Lit ravia. SIGNING i felt bad For kings. Fans it
was really. FUNNY A kings FAN i think his name Was,
Fred like WHEN i posted about it, said it's so
sad That kings fans should be gutted That Jake laravia Less,
sacramento but that he's become a punchline because they Lost
Dorrin Phinney smith just to sign. Him it's like that's
the bar mat AND i feel For kings. Fans he
is gonna do a lot of the same stuff, defensively
maybe with even more positional flexibility Than Dorren Phinney smith
at this. Job i'm SURE i don't know If i'm
gonna trust him offensively as. MUCH i, wouldn't BUT i
think that this is just they're on this long term
plan with a short term like cap. Sheet AND i
will Say i'd be curious to know what their plans
are in twenty twenty six Because i'm gonna give you
a list of what could be the best free. Agents
the best one Is Luka, DAGs who they already have
this player Option Pawa. Bankaro he's gonna get an extension From.
Orlando it's probably we haven't heard about it already quite,
Frankly Jaylen williams Of Oklahoma, city would you guess that
he signs an extension not going? Anywhere Daron, FOX i
would guess he gets an. Extension Chet holmgren not going.
Anywhere Kevin, DURANT i would guess that he probably signs an.
Extension Trey young is a player option we're gonna. Get,
LOOK i got two Teams i'm prepared to say some
pretty incendiary stuff, about and The hawks are one of.
Them he was out there Recruiting lukenard And Nikkeil Alexander,
walker So i'd be, like he might get. Extended but,
Okay Trey young And, luca you're not gonna pair. It
they were traded for one of they're not gonna be
paired together after. That it's, like, Oh, Lebron Damian, Lillard Zach,
Levine James, Horden Mikal, Bridges Norman, Powell Christops porzingi's grip stop, Me.
Speaker 2: Nicole All i'm hearing At Austin reeves.
Speaker 3: Again All i'm hearing is that that we're gonna be
here a year from, now or let's say eleven months from.
Speaker 1: Now.
Speaker 3: Going, man there's just nobody in this twenty six free
agent class member when everybody thought that free agency.
Speaker 2: Was coming, Back like that's, bleak.
Speaker 3: MAN I, LOOK i don't know what to make of
let's just, Again i'll just recap. It lebron ops in so,
like was there a deal on the table from The
lakers that he didn't want because he thinks there's a
better contender out? There or Was LIKE i JUST i don't.
KNOW i think the fram this way, now what you're talking,
about it kind of makes the the gap year thing
seem stupid because who's out there that you're waiting, For,
like don't you have to go?
Speaker 2: For are you.
Speaker 3: Gonna wind up with two better players than age year
twenty Three lebron And? Luca but like next, summer well
Like luca re upped and whoever? Else it doesn't sound.
Speaker 1: Like it can Can NOW i go into my what
should be the conspiracy theory of gap years THAT i
could play, out or what they should. Do they should
Trade lebron to The Phoenix suns For Bradley beal so
to no trade. Clause, guys you Have bradley be on
your books for two more. Years then in twenty twenty,
seven as right, now lucas one Of luca's really good
friends in THE, Nba Nicole jokic gonna be a free.
Agent maybe bet on that. Class bet on free agency
coming back around then The sons could maybe if they
can get under the second, apron can you get mallawatch
out of? Them you still need a big on this.
Team that's like you have other like teams that you
could talk. To But i'm not against The lakers planning
for the future or having this Like i'm kind of
against a gap year because you said, This So i'm,
Cannibal i'm stealing what you. Said there's no guarantee That
luca's next five years are better than the previous five
because of how fucking good those previous fives maybe with
the exception of this past, season, were SO i GUESS
i just don't. Understand they could be waiting for the next.
Trade but now you're really kind of banking On lakers
exceptionalism because you're not gonna have a ton Of you're
never gonna have the best package in a trade for a.
Star and as we just, saw you Got Luka doncts
by doing This or is that what you're waiting? For
is it's not the free, agent it's who's the next?
Star like, honestly like the way out there name that'd
be like they only want to go to The. Lakers
they have the leverage to make it, Happen, like is
it Maybe? YOKIC i feel like it's more Likely luca
leaves to go To denver than vice.
Speaker 3: Versa quite, frank, Right jogic seems like the last guy that's,
like let me get to the big. Market not that
that you, know you, know there would be appeal in
playing With, Luca BUT i, Look i'll just jump ahead
a little, bit like Brook lopez went to The clippers
for a number of The lakers could have, matched, right
LIKE i, guess and, look As tai notes in the,
chat Like DeAndre ayton's still out, there it seems like
that's a decent chance that will be the guy they
end up.
Speaker 2: With BUT i don't even.
Speaker 1: Know. Now do you know what would have been the funniest thing,
ever is if The brooklyn nuts had just claimed. Him just.
Speaker 2: The use of cap.
Speaker 3: Space, yeah, no it's it's uh if we're not doing
winners and, losers but The lakers.
Speaker 2: Are not coming out of this looking so. HOT i
would say that it kind of Makes.
Speaker 1: Nico harrison look look worse for losing that negotiation.
Speaker 2: Somehow, yeah right.
Speaker 3: Too, look the last Thing i'd, SAY i take your
point that you, know maybe there's a twenty twenty seven
scenario where there is like A luca, uh there is
A jokic team up. Situation i'm not real comfortable betting
on like or like the heat of kind of falling
into this, Too like they're really targeting this free agent,
offseason right.
Speaker 2: Like but like they just dry.
Speaker 3: Up it keeps happening over and over where we think
there's gonna be this this, uh you, know this treasure
trove of free agents out, there and you're really gonna
want cap space for this one some.
Speaker 2: And like how often has it worked?
Speaker 3: Out was the last one when The knicks saved all
their money FOR kd And kyrie and got, Neither like
he's even that isn't a fool proof.
Speaker 1: Plan it was The nets kind of doing the same.
Thing it was like they, say, yeah they just came. Out,
yeah so, yeah that's a good. POINT i guess we
just have to wait and. See maybe it's a. Sto
but it's like they're just NOT i keep coming back
to the. Package it's how do you Get? Yannis how
do you even WHAT i Have bam wants out Of?
MIAMI i just, like how are you actively getting The
Anthony davis trade For luca was just such a unique. Circumstance, so,
yeah there's a lot of offseason, left But i'm very
confused by what The lakers are doing. Here i'm not gonna.
LIE i have no idea where we're going. Next. Grant
oh but it's Too. Atlanta oh you love? It? OH
i love. It so they're adding To Keil Alexander walker
on a four, year sixty two million dollar deal that's
coming via sign and. Trade it's costing a twenty twenty
seven second and. Cash and they're Signing lukenard for one
year eleven million. Dollars not that's coming out of the
non tax. Mle they all Acquired Christaps, Porzingis and they
are Losing Karis lavert To detroit for two years and
twenty nine. Million oh my, god CAN i just tell
you That i'm in love with The hawks offseason and
the fact that they like use The Dejonte murray trade,
exception like that's how they're Getting Nikile Alexander, Walker like
holy holy, fuck like kudos To like why not why
was honesty not running this front office the entire? Time
and why were they ever looking for someone to come
out over the top of. Him if this is what
they're doing behind the, scenes this team is like they
got some shooting Around Trey. Young the ball handling could
be a little, light but like you do Have Jalen
johnson can do, That, Nikil Alexander, walker you Have Dyson.
Daniels maybe you're Letting Zachary resische explore more on that.
End this team is LIKE i don't GRANT i, mean
this is just in the, moment like prisoner of the
moment type, Shit BUT i feel like they're gonna be
a top four team in The Eastern conference next.
Speaker 2: Season it's not out of the.
Speaker 3: QUESTION i JUST i, think like we go back and we've,
talked we talk a lot about like do you do
you really want the The Tias jones type as your
backup point?
Speaker 2: Guard could you.
Speaker 3: Get away with, like, well we've got two or three
guys that can kind of share the playmaking, load and
like is that? Enough you, know it depends on the,
SITUATION i, Guess but in this, case Like Alexander, WALKER
i don't love him running second, units but, man he's
he really can. Dribble he can't create, shots like he's
pretty good.
Speaker 2: At that same thing With.
Speaker 3: Canard canard is known for being one of the best
three point shooters like of his. Era but there's enough
like pick and roll zip and like he's a good
passer so and Like Alexander walker's defense Offsets canard's like
those two just as a second unit backcourt that's nails.
Man like those guys compliment each other really. WELL i
think you do get enough, playmaking especially if maybe you
leave Like reese sche out there Or Jalen johnson especially
out There Dyson, Daniel like you can mix and match
enough here to GET i think plenty of ball, handling
like in support of or Behind Trey. Young it's just
this is a just win after, win have to win For.
Atlanta i'd, LIKE i can't remember the last time They
i'm sure we said this about a team last summer
and we're probably wrong about, it but like they just
keep stacking these additions that all seem to make a
lot of.
Speaker 1: SENSE i may have said that about The New Orleans
pelicans last offseason after the Jontat bury trade with The Atlanta.
Speaker 2: Hawks who could ever possibly look that?
Speaker 1: Up not? Me, UH a couple of chats to catch
up ON Bj love what The lakers are doing as
A celtics, fan and ALSO bj Says hawks played this.
Masterfully they added good, players But canard And kp on
one year, deals so they conduct below the tacks next
year if needs to and try, again especially at. Center, yeah,
Uh darth Van. Diego hawks are gonna be fun next.
Year yeah they. Are and IT'S i will say this
will be like a good case study OF i Know
Jalen johnson's, There like how good can your defense be
With Trey young because he's TRYING i think the thing
that's gone under talked about except With hawks, fans WHO
i think it's gone over talked. About so we're gonna
try and course correct. Here he's tried a lot harder on,
defense and like the it hasn't like the effort level,
matters but he's just at such a. Disadvantage but now
you surround him with guys like Resche On yakakungu's, there
if porzingis is, Healthy Dyson daniels is a, monster and
now the key Ox Ander, walker who if he played
more last, season would have had an all defense case.
Himself so this is just like absurd eye glass cow
doing The Zachlow SHOULD i try and do, It. Kaka
i'm on The i'm on The hawks. FANDWAGON i like
this team Around Trey young better than any other team
they've ever put around. Him, Yeah and it's like it's
funny because the kil Ox Ander walker does the type
of stuff defensively THAT i think The hawks believe that
De Jontey murray would. Do but that was like kind
of never his, Brand like that was more of a
gamble type. Situation he was. RANGY i love The hawks.
OFFSEASON i don't have a bad thing to say about.
It and if if this is the take that blows
up in my, face so be. It this Is and
by the, way they that picked they got from The.
PELICANS i Know pelicans, fans a lot of them even
mention THAT i know they don't want to hear, this
but holy like they could be ay honest destination if
they have this salaries like for next, offseason if they
need they have some of like the prospect. Equity i'm
not saying they should go that, route BUT i still
we're gonna talk about The pelicans in a little bit
BECAUSE i honestly and if They're pelicans fans in the,
Chat i'll bookmarkt and save. IT i want to have
an honest discussion Because i've only been called names or
you've made fun of my appearance or my voice or,
whatever and, fine, whatever that's more on, video that's fair.
Game i've yet to hear a compelling argument other than, like,
oh you guys don't know. That that's not. Compelling you
don't know Ball Derek queen is gonna be A hall
Of famer or. Something this isn't About Derek. Queen it's
about asset management, Specifically, like if you like what The
pelicans are, doing please explain to. Us i'm genuinely asking
you to please explain to us, why BECAUSE i think
this is honestly one of the most like all time
dumb off seasons that we've, seen and it's only a
couple weeks. OLD i co.
Speaker 3: Sign Your hawks support AND i co sign Your pelicans.
DERISION i would also, add if you do think that
you can logically Justify New orleans off, season.
Speaker 2: You're sort of already.
Speaker 1: Wrong so do your best grants being a little bit,
less but glance at the quiet part out loud as
really what? Kids? Uh one of the young Often i'm
die get the comment From Ryan poe And Derek queen
will be all there that would do. It so The, Pistons,
uh is this you or?
Speaker 2: Me i'll take.
Speaker 3: It they Signed Carris, lavert which was kind of in
the rumor mill for a while and and Maybe atlanta
just knew we got we got some uh some some better.
Options uh two years and twenty nine million for. Him
that's that's part of the non tax let's probably the
full non tax mid level based on the twenty nine
dollars figure could do with cap.
Speaker 2: Space this is kind of the issue with The.
Speaker 3: Pistons they have a couple of routes to go, here
depending on what they do With, beasley what they do With,
shrewder WHO i believe we've got reports is going to The.
Kings but that's one floating out there undisclosed years and.
DOLLARS i don't know. Yet that's hey first day of free.
Agency also Signed Paul reid for two years and eleven. Million
the second year is non. Guaranteed we have The Malik
Beasley federal investing for betting ON nba games and. Props
during the twenty three to twenty four, season he was
up for a three, year forty two million dollar deal
was reported before all that suffice to, say he is
not up for that deal right, now and who knows.
Speaker 2: What that ultimately does to The pistons. OFFSEASON i.
Speaker 3: GUESS i mean it kind of changes whether they need
to use cap space or, not because if they're not
bringing him back at, all then there's a couple other
routes to.
Speaker 1: GO i was gonna, say is their, chance it makes
It we have to talk about the basketball and the cap.
Element it is their. Chance it makes it better because
if his market just comes out from underneath him and
he's going to be allowed back to, play he could
just sign the minimum With detroit and we're off one
hundred and twenty percent rais or whatever from if they're
able to continue carrying his cap, hold and then they'll
have early bird rights next off like they could wind
up keeping him without having to use their non tax
payer mid level to get. Him so that would BE i,
guess the silver. Lining but there's really like this is
all this opens up a different can of worms about
betting and, sports which don't.
Speaker 3: Right and, really if it is, true Which i'm fairly
sure it, is we agree That shrewder is, gone then
what are LIKE i guess you're you're thinking About Tim
Hardaway junior's bird rights maybe like.
Speaker 2: And keeping him around or, LIKE i don't, know.
Speaker 3: He's Earlier Timmy, grant but he was already like the
third the third guy of The beasley SHREWDER thhj like
trio that they were concerned. About it was kind of,
like let's figure out the first two and then whatever's
left we'll give To hardaway if if we want to at. All,
YEAH i don't, know what do You let's let's talk About.
Lavert what do you think Of? Lavert there just as
a as an on the court piece in that.
Speaker 1: ROTATION i think it's a perfect sized deal for them
that's very, movable and then it's both insurance against MAYBE
j And ivy not working out as you're kind of
secondary ball handler next. Season but it's also like he
can play Alongside kate AND. J. NOW i think he's
improved as a shooter. Enough we see all improvements defensively
In cleveland at, least maybe not so much when he
was traded To. ATLANTA i really like this as just
sort of a and WHAT i also like about it
is what it kind of informs. Us and there's still
a lot of offseason. Left but about The piston summer is
that they're not going to exaggerate the impact of last,
season as you still kind of need to see let
this core, marinate see what you have in them if
you give them another year mostly together or make those
sort of step ladder improvements like you are With Karros.
Lavert SO i like, this especially in the face of,
like if you can't really bring back, like why would
you bring back the Leak beasley when that investigation is going.
On this feels like a smart pivot because it's not
you're losing a lot as of right, Now you've lost
a lot of three point. Shooting but at least there's
These Carros slvert's a little bit better as a, shooter
not Than, beasley which is better as a shooter. Overall
he's played more off the. BALL i think he Has
cleveland to thank for. That and you, can like you,
said you could still bring Back Tim Hardaway. Junior SO
i in the face of LIKE i would have preferred
the League beasley not to have bet on basketball games
and then been able to bring him, Back but this
is right. Allegedly SO I i like what they did,
Here like they had a pivot, quickly it, seems or
even having to pivot at all when you thought you
were going to bring back this. GUY i think it
was smart by.
Speaker 2: Them how do you, Feel, NO i like. IT i
was just gonna raise the.
Speaker 3: Issue if he doesn't really address the shooting, issue he's
kind of another Maybe jade And ivy comes back and
in addition to being kind, of you, know helping shoulder
the load as from a playmaking, perspective he can also
improve on his. Shooting IT'S i would have. Felt, LOOK
i would have felt a lot better if they had
just not had The beasley issue and could have brought him.
Back and then you just you're, not you, know thinking
so much about the. Shooting that just isn't a major
strength For. LeVert throughout his. Career he's had some high.
Points but that'd be my one nit to pick there
on a.
Speaker 2: DEAL i, otherwise like.
Speaker 1: They do need to probably figure out a way to
get some extra shooting in here if you don't think
you're gonna Have, beasley because that is what's gonna Help cade.
Shine AND i don't, know like do you go to
the Trade you have options on the trade, MARKET i
guess so they can look at. That i'm gonna guess
The timberwolves are, next and they're. Not The grizzlies are just.
Whatever So memphis the big. One they renegotiated and Extended
Garring Aackson. Jr it's a five, year two hundred and
forty million dollars dollar deal in. Total it's not the actual,
deal but that's now contract. Value so the extension is four.
Years they still have to create cap. Space it's another
situation where it was reported that they it's like The
rockets Signing Clint, capella and they. Renegotiated they they they
Extended Jaron Jackson junior BECAUSE i can't talk without having
the money to. Do. So they have to bump his
salary up by about ten, million and that should bring
his salary for next year right up to what his
max would have been in free agency of twenty twenty. Six,
Yeah Zike glascow, says shams starting out with The grizzlies
news out the. Wazoo, yeah that was really. Funny, grant
we have the other moves that, like, well here's how
they're going to recoup that cap. Space my read on
this so far is That Cole anthony is gonna get bought,
out and there's no like if he's giving back half
of his salary so that The grizzlies can make up the.
Difference For Jaron Jackson, junior why have we not heard
about his next destination because that would feel incredibly. Weird
they did Resign santi Al dahma three years fifty two
point five, million just as a, note that's less than on,
average the not at TAX mL and they Signed Ty
jerome three years twenty seven point seven, million which is
the room. Exception how do you feel about and you
made an interesting point before we hopped, on how do
you feel about the triple j renegotiate and?
Speaker 3: Extent, YEAH i think a couple benefits. Here one in
terms of the new money he's getting if you over
the four year the new four, years basically it's right
in line with the four year max he could have
gotten from another. Team and then this is A Kevin
pelton note because and we were both, like oh, SHIT
i WISH i would have thought of. THAT i think
one other way you can frame if you if you're
like sticker shocked by, this which maybe you're. NOT i,
Mean jackson is a borderline ALL nba player but critically
has not officially been one in the timeframe that would
affect his. Contract this takes the possibility of him had
he not done, this had the GREAT i should, say
had The grizzlies not worked his extension this way as
a renegotiating, extent had he not, anything he could have
made An ALL nba team this coming season and then
been eligible for the Bigger. Max so you take that
off the table As, memphis and maybe if you think
this is a bit of an, overpay part of that
expenditure is going to eliminating the possibility of a massive, salary, which, like,
again if a guy Makes ALL nba typically you're, like, well,
OKAY i guess that's a good. Thing but this does
potentially a potential selling point here is that it does
save The grizzlies from having to deal with. THAT i
think it's a fair deal For jackson.
Speaker 2: Overall, AGAIN i just keep laughing, thinking, like you, know
Did Cole anthony go like hold on what like when
he got that, Deal because like as If Cole anthony
knew The grizzlies cap sheet and realized that he was
going to have to be.
Speaker 3: Gone john conchar is another guy that could maybe wave and,
STRETCH i, think But anthony is someone that seems like
he's he's gonna be the ONE i wanted to ask
you About Ty.
Speaker 2: Jerome this is a team that Has John, morant that
Has Scotty Pippen.
Speaker 3: Jr one of my favorite backup point and now Here's
Ti jerome at a like a dollars to the production
deal looks, great right three for twenty.
Speaker 2: Seven that's totally.
Speaker 3: Fine do you are you reading anything into this with
respect to like what the backcourt point guard rotation might.
Speaker 2: Be it's a little.
Speaker 1: INTERESTING i think they probably view it as you can
Play Ti jerome with one of the other. TWO i
don't view this as, like, oh The cavs traded For Lonzo,
ball so now they're gonna Trade Jarius. Garland like it
feels like that this isn't a through line to them Trading.
Speaker 2: Joan that's what you read into that. Trade, No, No.
Speaker 1: I'm saying that's what people there was the immediate reaction, of,
Oh Darius garland could he now be on the block
because Of Lonzo? Ball and the answer is. No With John,
MORAN i feel like he Can Ty jerome can play
With jaw or he can play With Scottie Pippen. Jr
but also jaw tends to miss. TIME i don't have,
right did you know?
Speaker 3: THAT i was gonna say it wouldn't be a shock
If Ti jerome did have to play a fair amount
for that, Reason.
Speaker 1: And SO i think this is more about that they're
PROBABLY i, mean like they're built just as, WELL i
guess to insulate him defensively As cleveland. Was so we'll
see if he's better for them Should memphis get to the.
PLAYOFFS i think dollar for. DOLLAR i mean this sort
of comes down, to since apparently Col anthony's, leaving would
you rather Have Desmond bane or would you rather have
some would you rather Have Ti? Jerome and like some?
Picks and kntaby has called the, Pope so it's like
it's kind of a fair question to, ask because you
would have renegotiated an extended TRIPLE j, anyway you would
have Kept aldama. Anyway so that's kind of they've decided
like picks And Tie jerome like that they're better. Off
and kntaby has called a. Pope excuse, ME i don't
know WHY i keep forgetting. Him and then a cheaper
dead money hit for. COLD i don't know what the
hell is happening. There this is another bizarre type of.
Speaker 3: Report But mel wants to know with these, moves Is
memphis the top six team in The?
Speaker 1: West so who are The let's do that because a
part of the pelicans fans justification has been the only
teams in The west guaranteed to make the playoffs next
year Are, Denver Okay see In, houston and that's why
The pelicans are making the moves that they. ARE i
still don't understand that there's a.
Speaker 2: Team In minnesota that would have had an issue with.
Speaker 1: That so if we were talking about guaranteed to be
in the top six right, now it does feel like
there's four Spots, Minnesota, Oka, See, denver And.
Speaker 3: Houston, Correct, Minnesota Okay See, Denver. Houston, SURE i would
agree with. THAT i might add to that list BEFORE
i got to the to The.
Speaker 2: PELICANS i think The clippers should be in that, conversation
as like they've.
Speaker 3: Added we haven't gotten to them, yet BUT i think
if we Put Golden state in that conversation based on
how they finished the regular season last, year they haven't
really done, anything BUT i put them up, there and
then you, sir they've done, Stuff they've picked up team.
Speaker 1: Options, okay, sure let's pump the brakes.
Speaker 2: There we'll do forty minutes on.
Speaker 1: Them.
Speaker 3: RELAX i Know Quentin post did was part of a transaction,
Technically so, yeah we're gonna get.
Speaker 2: There it'll be behind the, paywall but we'll get. There.
Speaker 3: YEAH i guess LIKE i Think memphis, is i'd say.
BORDERLINE i, mean it's gonna come down to.
Speaker 1: Health.
Speaker 3: Right if The warriors Lose steph for twenty five, games
then they're gonna lose nineteen of. Them and If memphis
can't Keep jaw on the floor and they have some
other bad, luck then who. Knows BUT i Mean dallas
would be in that. Conversation, Phoenix, PORTLAND i think you
might put in a similar tier To. Memphis maybe that's
a little unfair to The, grizzlies BUT i don't know
that this at this early stage of the, OFFSEASON i
don't think that's way off.
Speaker 1: Base, yeah there does feel like there's those four teams
and then there's just that there's things that could turn
to like In dallas as an, Example, okay with D
lo and Then kyrie comes, back what Does cooper flag
look like as a, rookie they're, deep they should be
defensively monsters, overall so you could see them being like
a top three team in The. West but it feels
like there's a clear Cut, okay There's, okac then There's, Houston,
denver Maybe Loop minnesota into that same, tier and then
there's LIKE i don't, know like eight or nine teams
that might that you could just see anything happening with.
Them And memphis is if you told Me memphis was
the third, seed that one shocked. Me if you told
me they were the nine or ten, seed that also
would not shock.
Speaker 2: Me, YEAH i. COULD i could see.
Speaker 1: That where are we going, Next, grant because not EVEN i.
Speaker 3: Know we're going To, cleveland where you've just reported The
lonzo ball acquisition Means Darius carland is.
Speaker 2: Cooked so before we.
Speaker 3: Get to, That Sam merril's back four, years thirty eight.
Million pretty good value deal in my, opinion just for
one of the better shooters in the, league and that
you know he's not gonna he's not gonna change the game,
defensively but he's good. ENOUGH i think he's better than
most specialist types at that. Position, Also Isaaca corro going
out For lonzo Ball acorro's got two years and twenty
two million. Left lonzo two years twenty. Million that second
year of that deal is a team. Option Ty jerome also.
Gone it's just the hilarious THING i could never stop
repeating when Discussing jerome was, like if he signed for fourteen,
million it would cost The cavs close to one hundred
just because of where they are in the Apron so
he he was always going to be a. GONER i don't,
know you want to start With Sam merrill or A lonzo.
HERE i think Maybe lonzo's more interesting just because he
gives such a different sort OF i don't, know skill set.
Speaker 2: Dynamic than A.
Speaker 3: Korro we haven't really talked about this. One what's your
feeling on The lonzo of it?
Speaker 1: All SO i love the, acquisition AND i think you
are giving up some type of more conventional half court
ball handling and playmaking by going from essentially Tie jerome to.
Him but you're GETTING i would, say a better, Shooter
you're getting a better. Defender he has great positional size as,
well so you can play him With donva Mitchell O'darius
garland depending on the team you could play him with
both of, them but depending on the. Opponent AND i
also think that he will do more to keep those
secondary lineups In, Cleveland like you can really get them
out in Transition Lonzo ball either throw the hit ahead,
pass he'll catch, them so we'll keep you moving. There
so what he kind of lacks in that traditional, playmaking
he's going to make up for with. Pace now the
issue is he like you could, say, oh the, minutes
like he only played at seven hundred and seventy seven last,
year but Like Tyro, rome didn't actually play that many
more because he was barely he wasn't eligible for some
of the. Awards cleveland's so. Deep if you believe Sam
merril is able to take on a bigger, ROLE i fit,
like and you Have DeAndre hunter though your perimeter minutes
are so locked in anyway THAT i think this is
a reasonable gambit to. Make you look at The Ti
jerome money and you're, like, man that would have been
pretty good. Value so you're taking a risk With. Lonzo
BUT i didn't like A coro for this team because
everything he did, DEFENSIVELY i just think he gave back
too much offensively in the playoffs for, them and now
that you Have hunter And Dean. Wade if he's having
like you Just max, struce like you just have better.
Options SO i really did love The lonzo trade for them.
ONE i want to know what you, think BUT i
also like Losing Tie, Jerome like how how do you
like does this offset it at? All do you viewed
as an upgrade when you're looking at the fit of
everything on the caves? Now like where are you?
Speaker 3: At So, i'll if you'll allow, Me i'll engage in
some gross over. Simplification isaacacorro could not get on the
floor in high leverage games and late game situations in
the playoffs for The. Cavs it's just like he would
have good regular, seasons we would start to believe in the,
shooting and then he just became someone you couldn't trust
for you, know rotation caliber minutes in postseason. GAMES i
Think Ty Jerome fell prayed a little bit of that, too,
right like he suddenly is tricks didn't work And lonzo.
Ball WHILE i would, concede it's you have to just,
say like it is unlikely that he is healthy enough
after a, season after a full season or whatever that
amounts to for, him to be on the floor in
like critical situations in the. Postseason but if he is,
HEALTHY i do think it's much easier to imagine him
being out there, right like whether whether it's in the,
beginning the start of the fourth quarter in a second
round series or, whatever Because garland is resting Or mitchell's,
RESTING i.
Speaker 2: Think ball could be out. THERE i really.
Speaker 3: DO i think because of the, defense because of the,
shooting because of the. Playmaking he's not someone you. Attack
he does add value on both. Ends he's not someone
you leave alone beyond the. Arc so like he's a guy,
that if he's, right is the type of Player cleveland
has to, have right and not as a, starter but
as a playable postseason. Guy AND i think A coro wasn't,
that AND i Think jerome wasn't. That now they might
be much more valuable innings eaters during the, season BUT
i don't Think cleveland.
Speaker 2: Should care about. That so that that's WHY i like
The ball.
Speaker 3: Acquisition even if you've got to acknowledge like there's a
highly likely chance that he doesn't hold up, PHYSICALLY i
think it's worth the.
Speaker 1: RISK bj and The chat Says ball costs more than
What jerome got From memphis did not see that coming
In Clearly cleveland didn't. Either, maybe BUT i would also
argue that this isn't a perfect. Analog But Isaaca coro
is at eleven million or eleven point two whatever it
is next, Year Ti jerome's at an App so If
Iacle corps at an average annual value of, Eleven Ti
jerome is at an average annual value of eight and
change nineteen, Million let's just say they got like kind
of the. One there's some trade off Because lonzo doesn't
do Everything tijerome. Does he doesn't do Everything Easaca corp
does on, defense but he's a two way player and
you got that for ten million. Bucks SO i would
argue that that they viewed it as we're gonna kind
of combine these two players into one player and save
money that.
Speaker 2: Way.
Speaker 1: Yeah next, up we are on to The Charlotte. Hornets
one of the most bizarre trades That i've seen in recent.
Memory they Traded Yusuf nurkic To utah For Colin sexton
and a twenty thirty second round. Pick that pick is
most favorable of THE La clippers In. UTAH i would
just like to point out that it's not a. Typo
The Charlotte hornets are the team who received the draft
pick in this. Trade they also Signed Mason plumley for
one year at the veteran's minimum because they have No
bigley Was Musa diabatte is the only big man under
contract for. Them if you want to Include Grant, williams
who's Like grant's taller Than Grant, WILLIAMS i think moved
Moved Josha kogi's guarantee date back From june twenty ninth
To july. Fifteenth interesting if you're just thinking of trade.
Possibilities and they also just as a, Reminder grant AND
i Thik i've already talked about, this or maybe it
was mort AND. I they Traded Mark williams The phoenix
for Sile A mitchit's familiar friend, There lea, McNeely who
was the number twenty nine, pick and then a twenty
twenty nine first round pick that'll be the least favorable
Of Minnesota phoenix In. Utah CAN i just, ask, well,
ACTUALLY i think we need to talk about that With,
utah Who i'm sure will be up. Next what do
you make of What charlotte is kind of doing, here
like because The Colin. Sexton you could look at it two.
Ways do you think that they're preparing to kind of, like,
oh like it's The, east it might be a little
bit more wide. Open we're gonna see what happens with.
Him you're gonna Throw conkinipple back into the phote If
LaMelo And Brandon miller stay healthy and you think, it
maybe we get a better year From Tjan salon Or
Miles Bridges or is this just a front office looking
at it and saying like we kind of we don't
know what's gonna happen With Trey. Man he was injured
and we're gonna bring him. Back Con sext is actually.
Good we might be able to actually get value for
him at the trade, deadline and so they just.
Speaker 3: Pounced that's my first thought IS i just imagine it's
easier to get something For sexton at the deadline because
more teams might be interested in that player type than
would be In nurkic AND I i kind of almost
looked at it more From utah's, perspective just because this
was one WHERE i had to do like a triple take,
too like which the picks going which way because they're
like almost identical, salaries right and identical taken out to, pick.
Speaker 1: AND i still would have been, like it's.
Speaker 2: Confusing, No SO I i IMAGINE utah wanted to remove
and they just did it With Jordan clarkson, too in
a different. Way let's just get these guards out of
the way so that it's gonna Be george And collier
that that are running the, show and And Ace bailey
maybe is gonna get more on ball.
Speaker 3: Stuff so if you just Have sexton out of the,
way that's what it. IS i don't know why they didn't.
Speaker 2: JUST i guess he's probably too good to buy, out
but you. COULD i don't.
Speaker 3: KNOW i Like charlotte Getting, sexton but it's somehow paradoxically
easier for me to understand WHY utah would move.
Speaker 2: Him JUST i don't. Know this is a weird. Trade
we've Been we've supported The hornets in. General this one
just just, CONFUSING.
Speaker 1: I think from their, perspective THOUGH i DON'T i don't
find it confusing BECAUSE i landed on just whatever they're
trying to, Do Colin sexton is the more valuable player
than use Of, Nurkic like that's just a fact that he's,
Younger like he, shoots and we wanted more shooting Around LaMelo.
BALL i don't know how much those two are gonna play,
together to be, Clear like now you Have Colin, sexton
who's not a motion, guy but he can, shoot and
Then Konker nipple on top of If Brandon miller and
that if Is Miles bridge is gonna hit his. Threes
so this just feels like what have we talked about
With charlotte kind of at every turn in the past
couple of years with The Jeff peterson lead front, office
they've just been. Opportunistic it seems like they're kind of
playing the long. Game they've not taken on long term.
Money they didn't do that Here Colin sexton's. INSPIRING i
like this just shows like a level of forethought From
charlotte that we are still maybe not entirely used to
kind of like what's going on In washington where we
just you talk about that might be our single most
viewed video by the end of like the like the
season of like of a clip Like Washington wizards. FANS
i guess maybe they're not used to the national people
saying nice things about. Them The hornets are just like
this is, smart like, THIS i don't know what's gonna
become of. It maybe they won't turn him into. Anything and,
yeah you could, say, well like look at the center
position they had to go assign. Plumbly that kind of
signals to me that they're not gonna go out and
do what The lakers tried to do and overpay For Mark.
Williams like they're clearly gonna long game. This SO i
tip my cap To charlotte because you might not be
able to necessarily see the vision of it on the court.
Perfectly but If Trey man's not gonna be, there if
you're worried about him being, healthy like you need a
backup all like it's Not Josh, green well say it go.
Ahead it.
Speaker 2: Depends it depends on if he's on the move or. Not,
damn if he's standing, still he's.
Speaker 1: Useless it's, weird BUT i love this For. CHARLOTTE i
don't understand what's going on In. Utah, grant would you
care to take us through? That?
Speaker 2: YEAH i would love. To.
Speaker 3: Uh they they With, sexton the yurkic of it, All
it's it's hard to. UNDERSTAND i just have to view
it as we need to Move sexton to clear the
decks for our younger players to be on the. Ball
we already mentioned the pick there the twenty thirty second
with the most favorable of The, clippers And utah is going.
Speaker 2: Out.
Speaker 3: Uh they also bought Out Jordan. Clarkson shout out to, you.
Congratulations he's gonna be a nick for the vet. Minimum
they Waved johnny ju, Saying, UH i don't know what
else is there to talk about? Here maybe do we
want to talk about what The jazz did not, do
which is there's No kessler extension yet there's that's pretty.
Speaker 1: MUCH i DON'T i don't understand the theory of just
doing what they did With, sexton because if you needed to,
get if you're worried about getting like clearing, minutes why
was he not, moved like you're gonna tell me that
Not at any point over the past couple, seasons you
couldn't have gotten second rounders For Jordan clarkson Or Collin
sexton at.
Speaker 2: Minimum and MAYBE i didn't want to see An inge
coming in and saying let's do.
Speaker 1: Something we're just gonna be actively. Bad we're not gonna
touch with the. Minutes it's just, yeah SO i.
Speaker 3: Know there was a time Where nurkis was playing Over Nikole,
jokic so maybe maybe The jazz are just ready to unlock.
Speaker 1: That Now here's the thing is that time was short. Lived,
sure and so this just feels like poor asset management by,
Them like you. SHOULD i feel, like we don't know
what the offers. Were we're gonna tell me there wasn't
gonna be deals out there For Jordan. Clarks they maybe
want to see how much he gave back in his.
Buyout but you couldn't have got like you had to
give up a second round pick to Get is that
what the market was in THE? Nba this just feels
like a. MISREAD i understand the logic of we're really
leaning into the youth movement, now and you cleared the
way For Ace bailey to get like you took you
took off two of your highest volume on ball, guys
and now you Have Ace, Bailey Isaiah collier And Kyante
george is your highest on ball guys and maybe a
little bit of lowry market and sprinkled In Walder clayton's
there as. WELL i JUST i don't like this is
just it's way. Underwhelming the only THING i could think
is With Jordan clarkson is maybe he's been there so
long and been kind of a good older that they
did him the Solid and we don't need second round
picks For Jordan. Clarkson we want to take on. Money
SO i understand that almost more THAN i understand The
Colin sexton. Deal was it they wanted to make sure
he wasn't, there like sort of take the club out
Of Will hardy's, bag and but they also wanted to
preserve the salary, slot like but they didn't want that
salary slot to extend beyond next. SEAS i Just i'm
having a lot of trouble understanding. It this is another
one where the More i've read about, it it doesn't
seem like anyone has a, hold or at least the
Cases i've seen for The jazz have not been very
compelling for.
Speaker 2: IT i would agree with that this is so far
the hardest deal to.
Speaker 1: Understand also not very hard to. Understand But Jordan clarkson
is now a. Nick this is HOW i feel about.
It is it means That Russell westbrook is not a.
Nick SO i kind of favor they're Getting Jordan clarkson
in for one year at the MINIMUMS i mean he clears.
Waivers The nicks also picked up the two million dollar
team option On ariel Huck porty and declined the three
and a half million dollar team option ON. Pj tucker
and just rumor has, It promot reports they've reached out
To Al, horford so they still have the MINIML e
in their bag for the Value Jordan clarkson at the
veteran's minimum is like taking up the campaign. Minutes, sure
but it still kind of sucks because they don't have
like the secondary guy who can drive offense for, Others,
like who is the who are you trusting aside From
Jalen brunson to set up other players on this? Team
the Most it might Be Tyler.
Speaker 3: KOLLIK i MEAN i was gonna Say, bridges but that
wasn't gonna be Something i'd say and feel good.
Speaker 1: About, yeah, Fair SO i just, LIKE i don't, know
this is. Fine i'm curious to see What The nicks
still don't have a, coach which is like less than
ideal headed into free. Agency what would you like to
see them use there quickly before? On what would you
like to see them use their mini mlle, on like
would you support it being used on a big or
you've mentioned like you want to see more, shooting or
you wanted them to get another ball. HANDLER i believe
and THEY i Mean Jordan clarkson is that.
Speaker 2: Yeah clarkson is. YEAH i Guess.
Speaker 3: Clarkson, look if it were a if it were A
thibodeau kind of, situation first of, all like the depth
would would matter, less but like you could See clarkson
kind of doing A Jalen brunson as a backup where
he's just really kind of dominating the ball and generating
most of his own. Shots and and maybe THAT i don't,
know there's some some value in like stylistic continuity there
between the first and second.
Speaker 2: Units he JUST i think you were kind of touching on.
This he doesn't.
Speaker 3: Quite like scratch the the itch of score slash playmaker
like he's. Been he's one Six man of The. Year
that's that now is kind of receding into the rear
view a little bit too. Much and he but he
isn't The he's by by no means like the pure.
Facilitator SO i think he's an. Upgrade it's it doesn't,
Like i'm not going crazy over. It Mostly i'm thinking
about what hasn't, happened which is A bridges extension yet
that's still that's just been my most interesting kind Of
nicks offseason.
Speaker 2: Subplot but but maybe that's maybe there's.
Speaker 3: Nothing to worry about there Because jackson's like the only
guy In memphis that's that's sign an.
Speaker 2: Extension those just haven't quite happened.
Speaker 1: Yet. Yeah that but if he, doesn't like if we
start to kind of like with the coaching search taking
a couple of, weeks if it's been a few, weeks
you're gonna start to, wonder are they just gonna let
this get to unrestricted free agency and either have to
give him the fifth year or watch him?
Speaker 3: Walk SO i DON'T i don't think he should take
what he can't the four for one fifty.
Speaker 2: Six If i'm, Him i'm not doing.
Speaker 1: It we just went through the list of free agents
with The, Lakers so anyone who might just be choppering
in to listen to this, segment Like, mcalpridg just might
end up being the best available free agent on the
market next.
Speaker 3: Year and even if he's, not it's not that hard
to beat four for one fifty.
Speaker 2: Six it's just like that could be. Easy that's one
way to do.
Speaker 1: It you just did. IT I glasgow, Says nick's coaching
search is like watching the person at the bar at
a one thirty am who will not go home. Alone
it's getting. Desperate Mike brown is getting a second. Meeting
he's reportedly the. FAVORITE i will say he's he can
do some stuff on, offense which is funny because he
viewed MAYBE i just have not been like covering the
game long. Enough why don't if you use like a
defensive minded coach way back, when and now he's viewed
as like this offensive.
Speaker 3: SAVANT i think it's definitely flipped The kings The king's,
years well The king's, year the one year when they
briefly set the record for offensive. EFFICIENCY i think that
that was the thing that, happened, right something close to.
Speaker 2: It he got a lout of credit for. That but,
YEAH i don't.
Speaker 3: KNOW i think that's who it's gonna, be, Though, Dan,
LIKE i Think Mike brown's about as good as The
knicks are gonna, do.
Speaker 1: Which is just sort of like, man and, look by the,
WAY i will, say you better nail this offseason as
the next Because MESSI u jury's just floating around out,
there AND i Know James jolan is like still mad
about how The Carmelo anthony negotiations went And DeAndrea bonyonni
negotiations went after. That but like like they went After
massia in the past before they Hired Leon Rose, grant
you remember That messi was on their. List, Yeah so,
like if You're Leon rose and you've already shown Like
James dolan don't give no fuck about THE cia connections
at this, point like he's the one whose beer head
at The thibodeau, Exits I'm i'm just putting a pin in.
That and so like if you're just you fired your
coach after getting The Eastern conference. Finals they were compelling
cases on either. Side i've even said my initial take
on the matter was just absurdly. Bad but now we
are getting to the point where, Like, okay now it's
been a few weeks and we're in free, agency like
ideal that you'd want to have like a coaching place
now and we've only heard like are you really waiting
out like The Jason kidds situation In dallas to see
if he gets an extension or, not which is also
on Insparad just if you made it to the conference
finals and you, hire you change the coach without making
any big time let's say, upgrades and that is the end.
Result Is Mike brown Or Jason Kidd, LIKE i. DON'T
i have lots of questions at that.
Speaker 2: Point don't care for.
Speaker 1: That by the. Way the the other thing they have
not done, yet which is keep an eye on is
just like you don't Want Josh hart And Jordan CLARKSON
i think coming. OFF i guess they are gonna come
off the same, bench but like that unit as the
spacing could get weird unless you Trust clarkson. Shooting so
Is Josh hart gonna be starting again next? Year? Grant but,
like Where's Mitchell? Robbins because you don't Want, Clarkson robinson
And hart on the flour at the same, time at
least for too many. Minutes, no our next team? Up
you want to take us through The Dallas.
Speaker 3: Mavericks, yeah Ra Kyrie irving back three, years one hundred
and twenty. Million he declined his player, option lowered his
twenty five to twenty six cap number in the. Process
that also Allowed dallas to open up The MINI mL
which went to D'Angelo russell two, years eleven point seven.
Million that was one of those deals that was out
there like several days before it. Happened it was MAYBE
i don't know how you, felt but that seemed to
me like the most locked in Deal dallas, obviously at
least Until irving comes. Back is guna need an offensive,
leader a ball. HANDLER i Think russell's five that's A i,
look anyone who's listened to this for any length of
time knows That i'm not a big deal, fan but,
like this is a totally reasonable expenditure for. HIM i
think he will Help dallas. Offensively other than, that fairly
quiet Around dallas unless you want to talk About Cooper,
flag who is not a free. Agent hardware knocks from Be.
Speaker 1: Rich hardware knocks the only place we'll hear In andrea
on your honey name drop on the first night of
free agency in twenty twenty. Five, yep that's our. BRAND i,
LOOK i think it's, fine like if you were to
GET i, mean for what they had. Available it also
makes The kyrie deal look better and like kind of
regardless of who they, signed because, okay four, year three
years one twenty that lowered his cap number enough to open, up,
right that not the taxpayer mid level because they were
over the second apron after they won the draft. Lottery
they weren't planning on that salary.
Speaker 3: SLOT i think weren't, they, Though, DAN i, mean are
Fans Nico harrison, said fans are finally starting to see the.
Speaker 2: Vision this was?
Speaker 1: It what a what a fucking? ASSHOLE i don't say, that,
LIKE i. DON'T i don't say that, Lightly, like are
you kidding the mass fans were supposed to? See was your?
Vision even you're gonna get lucky as fuck in the
draft lottery and, yeah your timeline is? That, yeah that
was the, plan and like it just puts the onus,
on like, yeah hopefully the fans can see the vision,
Now like you would shut the fuck, up my, god
take the, microphone taken troll the reins, out. MAN i
didn't want to go on A Nico harrison, ran right,
NOW i need to stop. THIS i REALLY i.
Speaker 2: Didn't mean to trigger, you BUT i am not sorry about.
Speaker 1: It this is just like the lack of the Whole,
OH i didn't know that fans are gonna be mad
that we Traded luca dumbass like just, man just some.
People the lack of self awareness of some, people including myself,
Sometimes But i've never tried to put the onus, On, like,
yeah the thing That i'm not, saying like you guys
didn't see the. Vision my vision was that we were
gonna win The Draft lottery without even. Trying and by the,
way what did that? Do what did that do aside
from give you more of an excuse to like not
continue building Around Anthony davis And Kyrie.
Speaker 2: Irring, Right it's a complicated.
Speaker 3: Vision it takes a while to understand, IT i, mean
and so we haven't really even fully. Realized, LOOK i
WISH i believed in myself Like Nico harrison believes in.
HIMSELF i would get a lot more accomplished if that were.
Speaker 1: True there is sometimes where like arrogance is aspirational and,
yeah to me is honestly not one of those, times
because he's such like an unstoppable mold about it that
and and it's, unsufferable like just listening to him like
spin this, beat it's just so. Unsufferable i's one point
eight percent. Visionary, Uh, Okay i'm, SORRY i didn't mean
TO i don't know why that triggered. Me it's late
WHERE i. Live maybe that's why our next team is
The Minnesota. TIMBERWOLVES i can guarantee YOU i meant to
put them on, sooner so just, WOLF i don't know
how they ended up this far. Down they Signed Nas
reeve for five, years one hundred and twenty five. MILLION
i really want your thoughts on. That grant Resigned Julius
rando for three, years one hundred million. Bucks he gets
a player option on that third. Year then they had
to sign and trade WITH naw four, years sixty two
million dollars To. Atlanta they received a twenty seven second
round pick and. Cash this is the big. One they
Guaranteed Leonard miller's contract for next. YEAR i think this
means that they're probably gonna Trade Rudy Gobert Anthony edwards
and continue to rebuild Around Leonard. Miller and they're bringing
Back joe Ingles as just sort of like the you,
know The Eudonis haslam, role except he's only been In
minnesota for a little bit. Less BUT i want to
start with the not what do you make of? That
even the new cap LIKE i just, SAW i saw
five years and it stopped me in my. Tracks it was.
Speaker 3: It seemed like a lot was my very first, thought
both in years and, dollars because Like, READ i, think
maybe not to the same extent as some other guys felt,
like all, right, well The wolves are gonna need to
beat the mid level because certainly they'll be mid level
offers for him if, he like if he were to
hit the. MARKET i didn't think you'd have to go
this high or this long in terms of. Years AND
i do think it raises the interesting hypothetical of, like
would you, LOOK i think you can make the case That,
READ i, mean it's been basically, proven is the best
backup big in the.
Speaker 2: League AND i think you could make the.
Speaker 3: Case that there's a world where like you maybe moved
forward Without Rudy gobert and your defense gets, worse but
he's okay at center and you Have randall, back and
you can you, Know jade McDaniels can play some. Four
but like a team that also Has randall back and
that can play McDaniels at the, four and that continues
to Have Rudy, gobert do you give any pause and maybe, think,
like wouldn't? It could you've just Kept Alexander walker and
like for, that for what he, got and would that
be preferable than Having nas at this. NUMBER i, MEAN
i think it's a fair. QUESTION i THINK i want
to make. CLEAR i Think red is a really really
good offensive big AND i think there are scenarios where
he could start for. THEM i just it's a big
number for a. Backup just maybe that's the simplest way
to put. It i'm surprised that That minnesota went this
high for a guy whose utility is just kind of
limited because of the guys they have on the roster.
Speaker 2: At his, position you, know or around his. Position what
did you?
Speaker 1: Think i'm kind of fell in the same. Camp and
it's JUST i know you said that maybe there is
a scenario Where, okay if you move on From Ridego,
bart he's just your. START i just don't know what
the defense. Looks it's like that's, worse that's for. Sure
and so they were in the twenty six percent tile
last year of defensive efficiency When randall And reed play
Without Rudy, gobert the rim protection during those minutes was
actually pretty. Good and So i'm wondering if this telegraphs
two things that they believe That Nikkle Alexander walker given how,
yeah he's improved as a, shooter but that hasn't translated
into the past two postseasons for, him at least not.
Perfectly so they viewed him as just more, expendable especially With,
Tarren shannon And jay And clark on the roster and
then Even Rob dilling him. Too maybe that's part of
the calculus BECAUSE i would Say shannon And clark like
they're not gonna be anywhere near the, shooter or at
least they're not. Profiling is that now that naw has
Been But i'm wondering if it also kind of thinks
that The wolves believe that they could sustain better Without Rudy,
gobert because if you put him into trade, packages it
probably gets pretty. INTERESTING i know he's, older but he's
still just you PLoP him on that roster and during
those minutes that he's on the, floor you're gonna have
like a top seven eight defense at. Minimum so THAT
i feel Like i'm reading it that, way is that
they Decided randall was the most like. INDISPENSABLE i know
he got a shorter, deal but like they don't have
a second option on this. Team other than, him it's
Just Santhy edwards As, Julius Like nas can't really do
That mike. Comedy they can't even really drive the offense
in that vein. Anymore maybe it's dealing him one, day
but it's it's not happening right. Now would you, agree, Though,
like if you were to tier this when you're looking
at their three main free, agents and we obviously know
how they shook, out like or is it like even
Throw Rudy gobert into the? Equation, then so if you're
to rank those four players in terms of being indispensable
to The, wolves it does feel like The wolves Decided, Randall, Nas,
gobert And nikiel and that was their, Rankings like what
would your rankings have? Been, WELL i.
Speaker 2: Don't know what to do WITH i think it is
clear that of the, three It's Randall. Nass randall got
the highest annual, value read got the longest, Deal so
That randall one now is Too Alexander walker.
Speaker 3: THREE i think it's interesting to frame it like. YOU
i guess we sort of both kind of talked about
this in the context of like what this means For gobert's.
Speaker 2: Spot on the.
Speaker 3: TEAM i kind of think like in terms of like
who This wolves team is right, now and this is
a team that's made the conference finals twice in a.
Row gobert probably still is number one on that, LIST i.
Think BUT i also think what we're kind of butting
up against is like the nas deal suggests that The
wolves may not think that's the permanent state of, things
or that there's another. Way but, LIKE i, Like gobart
has his, problems and they're mostly on. OFFENSE i think
we've been pretty clear in like hammering that home whenever
we have The gobert playoff. Discussion but at the, moment
he still matters a.
Speaker 1: Ton let me point you to the evidence that he
gets played off the court. Defensively where is? It can't find?
Speaker 2: It Terrence man making fourteen corner threes in one game
and then.
Speaker 1: There are six, whatever that's Not Rudy.
Speaker 2: Gobert that's, YEAH i just gotta get out there. Already.
Speaker 3: Yeah, NO i think the go beart of it all
is pretty. INTERESTING i GUESS i would say read at
this number certainly makes it more likely that A gobert
move is a, possibility that that's maybe the conservative way
to frame.
Speaker 1: It what Is Rudy gobert MAKING i.
Speaker 2: Don't know thirty.
Speaker 1: ISH i, mean, like who's the player that you could
get for, That Like i'm just. Curing i'm curing like
the TEAM i would also be interested. IN i think
it would be out. THERE i want to be, clear
But minnesota's kind of strapped for other. Assets but like
what would make and maybe is there a way where,
okay maybe you're bringing back a cheaper rim protector's, Part like,
honestly what About Like i'm trying to make the money
work in my head like, immediately and it's not going.
To so this package is gonna need to be fleshed
out a little bit. More but what About Rudy Gobert
For Derek lively And Klay.
Speaker 3: THOMPSON i THINK i, probably, oh, man YOU'RE i was
gonna SAY i would do that If I'm Minis. Soda
but that really Puts Derek lively being what we thought
he was gonna be as a, rookie like, immediately you,
know like prime wise is doing a lot of heavy
lifting there Because lively would have to come in and
be your defensive anchor in the, middle which like not
out of the realm.
Speaker 2: Of, possibility but that's a little bit of a.
Speaker 1: Reach what About Klay thompson AND. Pj washington For Rudy.
Speaker 2: Gobert, YEAH i don't think that's moving the needle.
Speaker 3: Enough ESPECIALLY i don't Know thompson is someone that you
just might not be able to get on the floor
For minnesota in like big. Minutes what About Rudy gobert
For Karl Anthony Towns now we're. Talking, yeah you Get
Mitchell robinson And rudy out. There good, luck good luck?
Speaker 1: Offenses anything else on The wolves before we move. FORWARD
i feel like they're not. Done i'm just because it
doesn't feel like their offense still kind of they're they're
maintaining the status, quo WHICH i think is smart for
the most. Part BUT i don't where does There is
it Just Quirk dillingham more? OFTEN i don't know whether
or are you banking On dante De vincenzo having more
of an even camp now you can't bank on my
comedy being much.
Speaker 3: Better, NO i think you're banking On dillingham's rise at
least like Offsetting conley's further decline and maybe netting out
as a positive overall at some point in this season
and you have more consistency From. Devincenzo i'm not sure
what Else i'd see them.
Speaker 2: DOING i, mean they're not super flexible at this.
Speaker 1: Point But David Rudy gobert for like a LaMelo ball,
construction The Wolves Rudy gobert And Rob dillingham for LaMelo.
Speaker 3: Ball you've really become obsessed with Getting Rudy gobert off
of The. Wolves they have.
Speaker 1: It's A i don't have a. WALL i, mean let
me talk about the support FOR Rfk junior really quick
here and do you have a few minutes we can
move on from The timberwolves Because i'm trying to Trade
Rudy gobert. Everywhere The, Clippers i'm ready to say some
pretty inflammatory things about them after you take us through
what they've done so.
Speaker 3: Far transaction number one Resigned James harden for two years
in eighty one and a half million. Dollars that second
year is of player. Option also Signed Brook. Lopez didn't really.
Speaker 2: Have that on our bingo. CARD i, mean maybe disgusted in.
Speaker 3: Passing he's gonna back up and beats The zubats two,
years eighteen. Million that's part of the non tax mid.
Level also Brought Nick batomb back two years eleven point seven.
Million that is also a team option on the second.
Year that's After batum opted, out but that was a
fat a company that he was coming. Back i'm gonna
guess you're big on The clippers, Offseason dan big, positive
lots of thumbs.
Speaker 1: Up this is just like it doesn't they still feel
like they need another passer on this, team but like
Brook lopez is just your backup. Center, now that's, insane pretty,
good that's insane like, that you know in certain, matchups
it's just like it doesn't because If eachuzubas doesn't get
played off the floor defensively and Now Brook, lopez you
can't play him off the floor offensively because of the
stretch he. Provides they're, deep and it's just like there
the problem is is that they're one Like James harden
rolled ankle. AWAY i think for maybe being a lottery,
team you have enough, depth especially on the defense end
where maybe you cobble together just sort of you know
those like Pre Superstar, clippers that Pre Superstar clippers team
where they were just scrappy as. Hell so that's something
they need to look. At and we've seen a bunch
of those names come off the. BOARD i will, say
if he could stomach playing With James harden again like
A cp, three like coming over here like kind of
makes a lot of, Sense like how badly does he's
not really a point? Guard that was and, say what
Is Trey man's market at the Moment Malcolm brock didn't
know of The. Clippers now feels like the biggest no
Brainer that was my prediction was that he would finally
end up on The. Clippers uh just the brooklyp has
didn't even cash you the entire mL. E i know he's,
old but damn.
Speaker 3: No that that's that's one of the better value signings
that we've seen so. FAR i, think like and, REALLY
i know when we talked about like what would you,
like we agreed The, clippers among other, things could use
a backup big AND i was, LIKE i kind of
want like someone that's gonna give you a little different
dimension From, zubots like maybe some STRETCH i was thinking
of like The bouchet, model but like to Get lopez
who will provide that. Stretch but just LIKE i don't,
KNOW i, mean, Yeah zubots is a better defense center
or was last year But Brook lopez was one of
the best defensive players in the league full stop for
a really long. Time, like so you're giving zero back
defensively with, him especially against backups, only and you're getting
that stretch LIKE I i, Mean I'M i think you
could really get up to some stuff With Harden Kawhi,
Lopez like you're spacing the.
Speaker 2: Floor Norm powell's out, there LIKE i it's pretty.
Speaker 3: Interest they could have some pretty interesting looks, HERE i
think With lopez and at, that at that price, point
it's just, like, CLEARLY i have to believe he picked
The clippers over teams offering more. Money somebody had to
go full mid level for. Him i'd be stunned if
that wasn't.
Speaker 1: TRUE I glasgow cracked, it that's.
Speaker 2: It Robin lopez did it For orlando so, easy.
Speaker 1: PEASY i feel LIKE i want this team to just
go out and trade For Kobe white right. NOW i.
WOULD i don't know IF i would pick them to
win the title because, okay see, exists BUT i would
certainly pick them to be in The Western conference finals
if they went out like they are so well balanced
and deep right, now it just feels like they're uh
it doesn't even need to Be Kobe. White but it
just feels like if they Signed Malcolm, BROGDON i just
might be, Like, okay there's a lot of guys with
health issues, here but you're gonna cobble together an eight
to nine man rotation on any single given.
Speaker 2: Night Cole anthony on the bio, market how about? That
that'd be.
Speaker 1: Fun you think he's a good enough? Passer probably. NOT
i was BEING i, mean it's a genuine. Question if
you said, YES i would trust you.
Speaker 3: Genuinely, NO i don't think that's really what he's what
he's out there to do so.
Speaker 2: Much, yeah great offseason for The. Clippers just WHAT i
can't get over the value For lopez.
Speaker 1: And they were a team like If pelicans fans want
to latch onto. Something grant AND i destroyed The clippers
last offseason and that did not age like all.
Speaker 2: That, well BUT i don't remember any of.
Speaker 1: That, yeah, me Neither. Gold we call our next team
The bucks. Are, look they're up to some shenanigans AND
i would like To league office to go and investigate. Them.
Now they're going to an awful lot of trouble to
maybe keep like Overpay Gary Trent junior to prints at some.
Point but so they re Signed Bobby portis for three
years and forty four million after you declined his player.
OPTION i think that deals largely, fine especially if you
Lose Brook. Lopez you need like the other big next To,
giannis and as of right, now like unless they're really
in love With Jericho, simms you're probably gonna need uh
Like giannis to play. Center Resign Gary Trent. Junior so
here's here's where The shenanigans are coming. In Gary Trent
junior gets two years and seven point five, million with
a player option on the second. Year tory And prince
got basically the same deal with a player option on
the second. Year they did Resign Kevin Porter junior two
years and eleven. MILLION i didn't put it up on
screen because, again this is Just i'm frazzled at The
like tonight you.
Speaker 2: Put buck, on you'll. Everybody everybody knows the bi annuals
five and a half, million, right that's.
Speaker 1: But the problem is the math isn't mathing on, that
BECAUSE i think this is like reporting where, it's oh
it's eleven million. Dollars i'm pretty sure the bi annuals
less than that over two. Years but maybe Maybe i'm.
Wrong i'm wrong all the. Time what The bucks are
clearly doing here is they're Signing Gary Trent junior And
Torrian princes with the intention of you guys can opt
out next year and we'll have her early bird, rights
at which point they can give them a lot more.
Money and it's like we saw The clippers do this
With nick patom AND i don't think they got like
fined or anything like doc to, pick but, like this
is so. Egregious you Sold gianness on a gap, Year
like that's been the messaging out. There you did this
with two. Players now you can't tell Me Gary Trent
junior didn't have more money on the, market and is
he coming back like they said they play me a
point guard Because Damian lillard's. Injured this IS i first of,
ALL i want to make, clear good, Job, milwaukee this is,
smart this is super. Smart BUT i as A, tattletale
as a Resident, Tattletale i'd Like Adam silver to investigate this.
Immediately BUT i also questioned The bucks's logic to where,
okay like how much are you planning on? Paying like
it's a percentage of above the average annual, salary but
the average annual salary grant next, SEAS i think it's
gonna be like fifteen million. Bucks so it's LIKE i
don't need to see A Gary Trent junior like four,
year eighty million dollar deal on THE.
Speaker 3: I would just like to put on the record that
the views expressed by my co hosts alleging, conspiracy, conspiracy
blatant flouting of the collective bargaining agreement are are his.
VIEWS i believe The Milwaukee bucks are acting on the
up and, up and That Gary Trent, junior who's one
of the better three point shooters in the, league in,
fact did not have offers out there of paying him
more than like three point what seven million dollars a.
Year this is all perfectly above, board AND i just
really want to distance myself from this opinion as much as. Possible, well, uh, yeah,
no this feels a Little Sanani.
Speaker 2: GUINEY i think you're.
Speaker 3: Right it does happen Before batoom is the is the
off sided. Example moving away from, that how do you
feel just about the idea.
Speaker 2: Of, like So yannis is gonna? STAY i guess because
he hasn't left, Yet and How we've just got tumbleweeds
blown around on the on on that, front and the
deal is we're gonna just bring back the roster that
wasn't good enough last, year like, actually and also Lose
Brook lopez and also not Have Damian lillard at. All,
like how are we how are we feeling.
Speaker 3: About the logic overall of the bucks relative To giannis
at this, Point, Dan, like BECAUSE.
Speaker 1: I GOT i got some. QUESTIONS i DON'T i honestly
don't understand how they're peddling this gap. Year i'm not
even saying that they should trade. Him i'm of the
mind that you don't trade someone Like, giannis especially when
you don't control your own draft until twenty thirty one
until he asks for. It But i'm just curious as
to what are the merits of, This like what is
it actually gaining you by the, End is, That, okay
we've now Kept, Gary Trent junior And Tory, prince so
we can overpay them next. Summer Bobby Porters junior's coming.
Back we got out of The Brook lopez. Business and
you could, say, well he was aging the deal he
signed wasn't gonna set you, Back like if he was
willing to take the same money that wasn't gonna set you,
back but clearly he wanted to. Contend it seems like
and The bucks aren't shaping they Have jos not shaping
up to do. That it feels like what The bucks
are saying here is this is maybe it's a gap
year of development And Ryan rollins pops And Andre jackson.
Pops but it's, Basically, oh we're gonna go through this,
season at which point we will have the first round
pick that we're using next, year plus twenty thirty one
and twenty thirty three to trade on top of this
massive expiring contract From Damian. Lillard let's go see who
or what that could get. US i guess that's a
fair gamble to. Take BUT i don't, LIKE i don't.
Know this is Just i'm excited to see Point, like
Is gianna's gonna be point center at some point next?
Speaker 2: Year? RIGHT i mean other than UNLESS kpj is gonna
play point guard for forty minutes a, NIGHT i, mean,
yeah who else is gonna do?
Speaker 1: IT i don't know a Mass can you tell?
Speaker 2: ME i told? You, uh, yeah, LOOK i, KNOW I
i GUESS i agree That yannis is of the caliber
that you just don't do anything until he asks you
to in terms of trading.
Speaker 1: Him but like.
Speaker 3: There must have been a conversation where The bucks go
to him and say, like, hey we're not gonna be any,
good are you?
Speaker 2: Cool like this is.
Speaker 1: This what you?
Speaker 3: Want because because we need to pivot and do some
other stuff and if, if if we if we do
this and by THIS i mean the transactions that are
on the screen bringing back the same, Guys like we're
kind of gonna just be down a path that's gonna
be like not just one, year but this is gonna
be a, While like we you're gonna have to really
if you're, in you're gonna be in and waiting for
a lot longer than you might be comfortable.
Speaker 2: With and even, then nothing's.
Speaker 3: Guaranteed LIKE i don't, know it's almost like you're you're
sort of asking him to ask you to be traded
at some point as The, bucks and maybe that's just
maybe it's just better to have the superstar and be
a one team guy and never.
Speaker 2: Leave BUT i don't, know, Man like it's just at.
Speaker 3: Some point and we're past, It like The bucks window,
closed like and if it, reopens it's gonna be a
while from.
Speaker 1: NOW i, Guess but like if they could get someone
trading all that stuff next, year wouldn't that technically then
make it all worth it because you bought yourself at
least two more years with gianness this coming, season and
then you have to give. It you have to give them,
credit like their their vision's clearly working BECAUSE i Think
giannis is, loyalty like the emotional. COMPONENT i truly believe
that that's played a bigger role than they're, telling like
how many assists you could average without damium or look
at What Ryan rollins could turn. Into but like With
Gary Trent junior And Tory, princes they're probably selling them
on the possibility of like like LET'S i won't even
joke about, it like, yeah the possibility of them opting
out and then they're gonna come back using early bird
rights definitely on the table. Now but they could also, Say,
hey if we pivoted in a different direction With dame,
down you guys are gonna have huge roles and you're
gonna be able to inflate your market value to where
you could then get your payday next summer when there'll
be more cap spaceloading. Around that's probably most valuable when
it comes To Gary Trent junior, Specifically so you have
to give them kudos at least for. THIS i just don't,
Know Like i'm fine with everything they've done so. Far
but it's all, right you lost Brookl like there needs
to be another big, here right were they one of
the teams that Contacted Al? HORFORD i mean, So i'm
just they still have the mid, level, right like they
could use the full mid. LEVEL i don't. Know we
have to wait and, see BUT i don't, HONESTLY i
don't know how to feel with The bucks BECAUSE i
agree with everything you said where the window feels. Closed
but if they actually believe, that because these teams have
more information than we, do there'll be players that want
to team up With. Giannis but if you're, so if
you think that that package is going to actually get you,
someone BUT i think that leads you back into the
what did we talk about with The. Lakers you're never
gonna have the best package for, anybody even when you
put everything on the. Table and if you're selling the
cap space stream that's a twenty twenty seven, thing that's
not a twenty twenty six thing for The.
Speaker 2: BUCKS i, GUESS i guess i'd, say and maybe we're
both kind of circling this. Idea LIKE i don't know
that we agree that this is the best like overall
path for The bucks to be, taking but given that
this is the one that they're they've, chosen these moves
are all like pretty good or very good in that,
context you, know like we don't agree with the. Vision
uh not to get back To, nico but like for
what it, is this is about as well as you
can execute. It and and maybe that's, disappointing but but
it is what it.
Speaker 1: Is, yeah you're trying to make me emotional, again have
a temper tanswer by mentioning the eco's. Name our next
team up is The Sacramento. Kings do you want to take?
Us do you want to take?
Speaker 2: Us they're signing FOR i don't. Know we don't have
any details on.
Speaker 3: THAT i THOUGHT i had seen two years and at
like mid level, money BUT i couldn't find that.
Speaker 1: Report so, aggregators any anyone who writes for a website
or their own, Blog i'd like you to aggregate With
Grant Grant hughes.
Speaker 2: Reports uh huh that one time get somewhere he saw
or thought he saw but was probably. Wrong the terms
of The dentistrutar.
Speaker 3: Deal they also picked up the two point three million
dollar team option On Keon. Ellis they picked up the
two million dollar team option On Isaac. Jones Jake lavia
gone two, years twelve million to The. Lakers, uh Let's Keon.
Ellis we hadn't really discussed. This this was a situation
where declining it and sending him into restricted free agency
was on the, table but they picked it, up so
he'll be unrestricted following this.
Speaker 2: SEASON i. BELIEVE i don't think that was the right, Decision,
dan but it's The, king so so what are you gonna?
Speaker 3: Do shrewder makes sense for, them they especially if it
is at the mid level. MONEY i thought THAT i.
Saw they do need a point. GUARD i, mean this
is tenth tenth. Team he's really bounced around a lot
the last couple of. Years BUT i think he's fine.
THERE i, just you, know pardon me for being a
little uninspired overall by The kings.
Speaker 1: Offseason can't they they can still Extend Kean?
Speaker 2: Ellis though maybe maybe they. CAN i, WAS i, WAS
i was maybe unfairly framing it as just restricted versus.
Speaker 1: Unrestricted that feels safer because he now he can just
bet on. Himself you've given him the option of you
don't like of relinquishing team. Control SO i get where
you're coming, from but it does FEEL i do feel
like what this means is that they were planning on
being a little bit more aggressive and making up so Denis.
Shrewder but it's, Like, okay what else is happening here
they've been linked? To this makes no sense to me
as A jonathan kminga. Team can you rationalize that to
me at? All?
Speaker 3: Oh, absolutely he plays for The. Warriors The kings are
still very into those those. TIES i, mean that's just
that's just how it's.
Speaker 1: A Is Mike brown coming back or is it like
they give him a good reference for the nixt? Job?
Speaker 3: Yeah, NO I I i don't know what The kings
are doing and they like, AGAIN i don't have an
issue With shrewder at this. Number it's a position of
need for, them but it's it's just not gonna it's
not gonna inspire anything.
Speaker 2: Great do you have anything else on The? Kings i'm
not SURE i really.
Speaker 1: Do uh what do you view as their actual biggest
need if if like uh if.
Speaker 2: That two way, Players, uh they. Don't they don't have
a whole lot of. THOSE i mean they.
Speaker 1: Did The lakers Offer Jake larrabia just, enough uh to
like that The kings couldn't Resign Jake laarravia because the team, option.
Speaker 2: Well they declined the team, options so they were limited.
Speaker 1: To five point five point two. Million so, yeah The
lakers gave him. Justice, HONESTLY i fave that that's the
type Of shenanatians That i'm here.
Speaker 3: FOR i, like, yeah love very, petty enjoy. IT i
mean you have Not oh, sorry go, Ahead, NO i
was just go. AHEAD i was just gonna say Some
Lil rabia.
Speaker 1: Things, uh, well say More larrabia. Things talk La ravia to.
Speaker 3: ME I i Think Laavia, LIKE i don't know that
it's it's a shame THAT i, mean it wasn't The king's, problem,
right because it was The grizzlies ultimately or initially that
decline that that fourth year, option, right and that just
kind of followed him to The.
Speaker 2: Kings DO i have that?
Speaker 3: Right, so, like it's too bad that he kind of
looked pretty good and you could really see him being
a rotation guy. There but, sorry he just that's that
actually does. Suck, yeah there's a ceiling on what they
could offer. Him i'm sure they would have been happy
to pay more if they.
Speaker 1: COULD i haven't asked you about this, yet and it.
HASN'T i assumed he was gonna maybe get, one but
perhaps not The key And murray. Extension he's extension. Eligible
what do you see like his value coming in AT
i think a lot of the like, inflact the like
comparison points have Been jade, McDaniels Trey, murphy which probably feels.
FAIR i think he probably gets so i'll Throw i'll
thrown over under here twenty five and a half million
per year on average and an. Extensionary would you take
the over the under on? That And i'll note That
jaden And Trey murphy both got, LESS i.
Speaker 3: Believe, yeah BUT i and The murphy deal we thought
was pretty, fantastic and the and the well we've The jaden,
mcdeal McDaniel seel was long enough ago that maybe some
of the numbers are. DIFFERENT I i THINK i would go,
over BUT i would say it is concerning that like
just because of the construction of the.
Speaker 2: Team you've never really Had murray in a position where
he could prove that he.
Speaker 3: Was willing to be a higher volume offensive, guy BECAUSE
i suspect that's not quite in. Him but he's just
the way The kings have put teams, together you've never
really known for sure if maybe there's more there on,
offense then, yeah it's just a situational, thing and that's
why he hasn't been you, KNOW i don't know getting
up more, SHOTS i, guess just to really simplify, it
BUT i think that's a fair you, know twenty five
ish is more than fair for a guy who improved
a ton. Defensively has you know, what he set the
rookie record for. Threes he's kind of had like some
ups and downs and back and forth with his offense and.
Defense but that's that's right in the fair. RANGE i
go a little. OVER i, think what about?
Speaker 2: You you set the number out you THINK i.
Speaker 1: THINK i would go over. TOO i know there's been
a lot of concerns about his, offense BUT i just
think that the ground around him has shifted so much
over the past couple of.
Speaker 3: Years it's really hard to judge, anybody especially LIKE. A
i mean he is kind of a he's a he's
a high end roll.
Speaker 2: Guy it's hard to judge those types of players in
like funky offense only you know.
Speaker 1: Teams uh, so, YEAH i go over as. Well BUT
i think The king's like they need some type of consolidation,
trailer like they need a they need a second best
player or a third. Best but because Like levine's really.
Good but, MAN i don't, know this is such a
weird situation for The king because The Dennis shrewder is
your point. Guard like there's A Molik, Monk Devin, Carter Levine,
DeRozan can all do stuff that they Gotta that's too many,
guards that's just Too like who do you trust among
those guys to play the? Wing Probably Devin carter the,
most just because of what he does. Defensively, YEAH i
mean he's just the.
Speaker 2: Offense the over indexing on offense is and has just
been a problem there for a.
Speaker 1: WHILE bj imagine taking a point guard after drafting four
in the first round in the last eight. Years damn
imagine cominga With Levine DeRozan and some bonus From Mike.
Glasgow one of those guys would Have, well, no, no
they can't the base your? Compensation how does that even? Work?
Man if if The warriors end up with DeMar DeRozan
is the only one who might fit into like a
perspective trade with The, warriors would that would that get you?
Giddy or would you just Prefer josh?
Speaker 2: GIDDY i WOULD i would pass on both of just
rather like k minga. WALK i don't want To Marta
rosen on The. Warriors are you kidding?
Speaker 1: Me?
Speaker 2: No?
Speaker 1: Way next team? UP i think we're getting close to
like the lightning round. Here OKAYH i Have i've got
words to, say AND i should like tweet this out
and promote it so that anyone who's actually mad at
me can come in and defend their. Case but if
you're A pelicans fan and you want to justify your
case in the comments after the, FACT i will read,
them and if you're not a tool or, RUDE i
will respond to. Them this is not The Kavan looney
two years and sixteen. Million.
Speaker 3: Fine, Tread tread, Carefully tread. Carefully you're talking about a.
Speaker 2: Legend, yeah when's?
Speaker 1: This you gonna be Outside Chase center or won't be At? Oracle?
Oh here's my. Thing this is just this is another all,
Right so we're not gonna have any floor spacing in
the front court alongside a team that Has Zion williamson
And Derek, queen and we're determined to have as many
like undersize CENTERS i guess as. Possible at this, point
size doesn't. MATTER i get that this is just an
extension of here's here's the tweet that got me in.
TROUBLE i thought it was clear that it was a,
joke but someone told, me uh WHEN i didn't respond
to it was like they told me to go guzzle
gas or something like. THAT i, Said Joe dumars And
Troy weaver are running The pelicans like THEIR nba league office,
plants trying to ruin the franchise so they get extricated
to another. Market this is, like this is one of
the all time dumb off Seasons i've ever. SEEN i
don't care What Derek queen turns. Into and they did
decline team, options by the, way On Alfred. Payton that's,
honestly that's What i'm mad. About how do you Decline
Alford payton's team. Option they also declined The Brandon boston
team option? Grant what is have you tried to? Stop
and first of, ALL i feel bad For Kevon loony
for maybe being into like The bulls and The kings,
Exist And i'm like not entirely unsure that this isn't
the worst run organization at the, Moment LIKE I i
don't understand what The pelicans vision, Is like you. Can't
we just went through the teams in The Western. Conference,
like if you were prepared to this Is pelicans fans
can talk themselves into they're gonna be a top six
team next. Year If Zion williamson plays in eighty two,
games there is still a pretty good chance that that doesn't,
Happen like that is on the, Table deeantaymurray's recovering From achilles',
injury when he's gonna come. Back i've seen people talking
about how Like Jordan poole being there to sort of like.
MENTOR i Think Brandon Boston junior was one of, them
and like now he's just off the team as of,
now what is have You i've actually sat, There i've read.
Comments most of them have been negative towards what you
AND i said when we did The pelicans offseason Look
ahead there's either they're just. Insults there's never an actual
case made other than you don't know, ball or look
at how many Points Jordan poole just, averaged or we
Have zion Or Joe dumars is determined to make us. Better,
YEAH i Want Jordan poole Mentoring Jeremiah. FEARS i want
them to have the same exact shot. SELECTION i don't want.
Speaker 2: That roberts says That zion plays in eighty two. Games
i'll Eat Joe.
Speaker 3: Dumars that's just unhinged, enough AND i knew that would get.
Speaker 2: You, Look i'm gonna jump. IN i will not SAY
i will, Good i'll take. Over it's a team. EFFORT
i will not say a bad word About Kevon.
Speaker 3: Looney i'm ecstatic that he got two years and sixteen million.
Dollars he is a, legend he is a champion three times.
Over he is a good locker room. INFLUENCE i don't
think he would have had more than minimum offers from
any other team in the.
Speaker 2: League, like maybe you never know.
Speaker 3: That this signing stacked on top of The draft night
trade THAT i Think i'm comfortable saying was as universally
panned as any TRADE i can remember in the last
like you have to go. Back the social media environment
was a little different at this. Point but like The
kings attaching a first to dump a bunch of salary
so they could Get Rejon rondo and somebody, Else like
that's what you're comparing this. To AND i think the
downside of This draft night, trade which exposes the possibility
of losing a high lottery, pick who knows how high
it might, be removing the incentive to tank for a
team that fell apart because of, injuries and like maybe
normally you would, say, well that's just. Luck this team
Has Zion williamson and is built around, him so you
don't get to say it's.
Speaker 2: Luck it's the. Pattern, now the downside of giving up
that pick is difficult to.
Speaker 3: Overstate so maybe if that hadn't, HAPPENED i would be
just more amenable to, like, yeah you know, what you're
paying a premium for a guy with championship experience to
come into a locker room that maybe needs some.
Speaker 2: Adults got it?
Speaker 1: That?
Speaker 2: Okay slightly maybe.
Speaker 3: Defensible we don't know if the second year is non
guaranteed or something like. That even if it, WERE i
still think you could have gotten loony for. Less the
sum of it all is, like if you are A
pelicans fan and can defend all of, THIS i would
love to hear like the rational. Justification i'm just saying
what you're, saying because Like Joe dumars is not someone
that was has been regarded as a GOOD nba team,
builder like since he had something to do with The
pistons twenty plus years, ago and really ever since then
has kind of been cited as a guy that doesn't
know how to do this job so. Good and now
you're seeing this with The. Pelicans it just feels like outdated,
thinking like sort of the failure to value draft, assets
the failure to see the risks or like maybe not see,
Them Like i'm sure if you trade a first rounder
with the upside of the one The pelicans did that
twenty sixth election To, atlanta you're aware of what could.
Happen it's just like you're miscalculating.
Speaker 2: The likelihood of. It it's highly likely that that pick is,
valuable and SO i JUST I i'm just backing you.
Speaker 3: UP i don't read, comments and no one has come
at me From pelicans, them and if they, DO i
probably won't see.
Speaker 1: It they, Have you just. Don't you just haven't read
the comments on.
Speaker 3: YouTube i don't, know AND i don't. Care they were
on us for knocking them for what was their like
lucky three point defense two years ago or.
Speaker 2: Something how's that working?
Speaker 1: Out i've smashed The pelicans over the past like half,
decade and they've just disappointed me every single.
Speaker 3: Year so you know, What, no The pelicans are operating
like a dumb. Team if they're not a dumb, team
they're doing a good impression of.
Speaker 2: One maybe that's.
Speaker 1: It and you know, what the way that the search
For Joe dumars, unfolded like it'sn't even About Joe dumars,
himself like that prove it? Then was just that was
an unserious. Search Willie green And zion were seemingly attached
to whoever needed to be. Hired that's that's a terrible
process This and you can say. That i'm not Saying
David griffin did a fantastic job here. EITHER i don't
think he. Did but, like, man this is If i'm
A pelicans, Fan i'm not rooting by my. Joke if
people THOUGHT i was, SERIOUS i don't want to see
any market lose their. TEAM i Want New orleans to
stay AND i want The pelicans to stay In New.
Orleans the fans deserve, it but like they also deserve
a team that's run. Properly and that's just we're not
we're seeing here and THERE'S i don't even, know like
what would be the scenario to wrap up here where
you look back and, say, like how would we be
wrong about criticizing this? Trade the trade and then this
is it's.
Speaker 2: Wims rooie of The.
Speaker 1: Year does that make us wrong, though like you Could, NO.
Speaker 2: I mean we'd Be the result would make it seem
like we were.
Speaker 3: Wrong, yeah we that would make us wrong because we're,
like it's it's not worth it to give up this.
Pick If Derek queen Wins rookie of The, year AND
i guess also what would have to happen is The
pelicans are good enough and The, bucks which they don't
have any control, over are good enough to make that
pick not worth very. Much but even, then like the
risk calculus as it exists today is just like, screaming
don't do this.
Speaker 1: DEAL i HONESTLY i Don't Derek queen could Win rookie
of The year that's great if he does it as
The pelicans the fourteen seed in The? West? Right? Cool?
Final actually the final, question how many teams are you
prepared to guarantee in The west that The pelicans will
be better than next? Season?
Speaker 2: Uh?
Speaker 1: Utah is? One? Right?
Speaker 2: Well, NO i, mean, yeah that's the only. ONE i
don't even. Know if, YEAH i GUESS i, would you'd
have to you'd have to say The jazz will be.
Worse after.
Speaker 3: That there's NOBODY i would say is guaranteed to be.
Worse stop it the pick a future, moment the pick
they gave up is going to be. Fourteenth, okay congrats
to The, pelicans like giving a lottery pick that you
didn't have to give, Up like is that like if
you Believe Derek queen's gonna be a superstar that would
end up being worth it in the, end but you
can't tell. Me and like the some of the JUSTIFICATIONS i,
use where, oh The pells apparently called teams like nine
through twelve and offer them whatever it was like the
same deal and couldn't, Okay like so you couldn't get.
Speaker 1: So you settled for a later. One LIKE I i
find it very hard to believe that you couldn't have
done something else other than giving up an unprotected draft
pick to move up ten. Spots that is. Malpractice it's
a tea you get to.
Speaker 2: Say, otherwise The pelicans won twenty one games like that pick, Fourteen,
yeah it could be, Fourteen it could be.
Speaker 1: Won, like what is there an? Analog LIKE i didn't
we didn't know about this to begin, with but, like
when's the last time a team won under twenty five
games and then proceeded to trade an unprotected first round
pick like for the following. Season that's that's a that's a.
Speaker 2: Research that's gonna be.
Speaker 1: Like Some isaiah Thomas nicks level. Shit i'm sure that
at some, point right, yeah, yeah oh, Man, look if we're,
wrong we'll end up being. Wrong But i'm we're not.
Trying we're not piggybacking off what everybody else said. EITHER
i think everyone else is saying similar things because it's
that obviously. Agregious that's Where that's Where i'm. At. Uh
since The Deep bay come back The, bulls they haven't done.
It The Josh guiney deal has not been announced, Yet,
grant do you want to take us through what they have? Done?
Speaker 3: Though Trey jones three, years twenty four. Million, also we've
Mentioned lonzo ball out For Isaac ocoro coming in roughly equal.
Money as we said, Earlier lonzo had a team option
on the second year of his twenty million dollars.
Speaker 2: Deal corol has got two at twenty two. Left, yeah
The giddy deal not being done little, surprising but then
it does just seem like extensions are lagging behind signings
at this. Point what do you think Of Trey jones
at three for twenty FOUR i, think, LIKE i think
that's a perfectly reasonable deal for a team that you
know he's not going to. Start he doesn't have.
Speaker 3: To they've got a fair amount of guard, depth especially
Assuming giddy is back and you still Got, Kobe Kobe,
White uh and Iod as soon moved. There, LIKE i
think that's reasonable money for Trade. Jones not not a
lot going on here, though until The giddi deal, comes
that'll really be the one THAT i think we like
if you're forming Your bulls off season.
Speaker 2: Grade Whatever giddy gets is gonna be the bulk of.
Speaker 1: THAT i, think between The giddi deal and how do
they handle their expiring contracts With io and vooj And, Kobe,
like if they start moving those, guys it would signal all,
right they're playing a longer game. Here but if The
giddy deals like, massive so let's let's that's THE i
think Trade jones that number is. Fine he was really
good for them last. Year he was hitting shots like
he did great and With lonzo not there anymore having,
him and it certainly if you, think, okay Maybe io gets.
Traded he's been linked to a ton of trade, rumors
The giddy. Deal are you gonna Go i'm gonna say
twenty two and a half million a? Year are you
going over?
Speaker 3: Under and in terms of WHAT i think it will
be or WHAT i would do, myself.
Speaker 1: What you think it will? BE i know what you
would do? Yourself did you if you never listen to
the PODCAST i did with moret on?
Speaker 2: This did?
Speaker 1: You? Uh i'm.
Speaker 2: Sure more it's about his life on the bulls as anybody.
Speaker 1: He like wasn't willing TO i don't want to misquote him,
so but he wasn't willing like even Give Josh giddy
like the non tax player mid level.
Speaker 2: Exceptions like no qualifying. OFFERS i, MEAN i WOULD i
in terms of preserving the ASSET i would go a
little higher than.
Speaker 3: THAT i think he's getting more than. That you, know
the number from what like months ago was thirty a.
YEAR I i, please, bulls don't do. THAT i don't
think you have. To and HE'S i don't think he's worth.
That but if it's twenty, Two i'm GOING i think
he's gonna get more than. That Like i'd be shocked
if it were if they could get him at twenty
two a year starting. SALARY i mean EVEN i might
say that's that's actually.
Speaker 1: OKAY i don't want to make you go down a.
Vortex but mort asked me, this what is the, scenario,
like how do you build properly build a team Around Josh?
Giddy or is the problem sort of in the question
that you shouldn't be asking, yourself how do we build
the right team Around Josh? Giddy?
Speaker 2: That, uh, YEAH i.
Speaker 3: Don't AND i think like there are certain player types
SORRY i use Some bonus as an example of, this
that they're so productive that you just seems like you
just got to pay them like their. Stars but the
problems they present in team building are such that if
you're paying them like a, star you really can't build
that good of a sustainable, winner AND i Think giddy
falls into that, category just at a different position where.
Speaker 2: He has to have the. BALL i know the three
point percentage has gone.
Speaker 3: UP i just think the maximal value Of giddy is
he has to have the, ball AND i think that
limits how good your offense can. Be and then, defensively
he sort of doesn't have a, position and he's a
size that you normally have a good defensive player, at
and so you're doing all these acrobatics to sort of
figure out how to cobble together a defense. Too so
the problem is in asking the. QUESTION i think you
don't build Around Josh. Giddy if you Get giddy as
an additive, piece that's, fine and you pay him like, that,
Great but he isn't someone that you pay like a
star and then make decisions around him as he is.
Now maybe maybe he'll get so much better offensively that
the conversation. Changes i'm just saying that right now, TODAY
i don't think it's it's plausible to build a winner around.
Speaker 1: HIM i JUST i don't even know like how he
squares away as a complimentary piece, either because what would
be the type of star that you WOULD i guess
if your best player is a big man who doesn't
want the book Like Anthony davis or is that? Not
like AM?
Speaker 2: I i, MEAN i just. DON'T i don't know that
he's like a.
Speaker 3: STARTER i THINK i think like he could be a
really interesting second unit leader where you can get away
with like having to just have him perfect. Lineups but,
yeah the lineup problems and the roster construction problems are
so significant with him THAT i, Like.
Speaker 2: I'm just NOT i don't.
Speaker 3: Know MAYBE i haven't given it enough, Thought like how
what do you need around him to make it? Work
because LIKE i JUST i sort of cut the conversation
off and, say LIKE.
Speaker 2: I just why why would you even try to do?
That it doesn't make any.
Speaker 1: Sense this is a good. Question who should get More
Josh giddy Or Jonathan.
Speaker 3: Kaminga Mo, yeah it's they're probably gonna be really, CLOSE
i would.
Speaker 2: THINK i STILL i still think.
Speaker 3: Caveat i'm never rational about cominga AND i changed my
opinion every thirty. SECONDS i Think kaminga has the higher.
UPSIDE i Think giddy has been more like conventionally box
scoy productive Than kaminga may ever.
Speaker 1: Be.
Speaker 2: Uh but but, YEAH i don't. KNOW i think it
shakes out probably pretty similar like in the low twenties
at the, moment but you have to acknowledge it just
athletically and, Positionally, kaminga like the realized version Of, kaminga
does fit on good. Teams it's just that he's never
shown that he, can you, know be that guy.
Speaker 1: Yet, Robert i'm laughing at your, comment BUT i can't
in good com just post it on. Screen future, matter
what If giddy The giddy trade With Chicago's Paul george
For SHAY I i will Eat Joe dumars what?
Speaker 3: If, INDEED i guess we'll have to see if if
the if he leads The bulls to a title in
like what four, years then we'll.
Speaker 1: Know we do do regrades every, Ausicer so we, do
and we do what we were, wrong and we're sorry
at the end of every. Season so that would be
issuing some, apologies would be my. Guess that's that's what would.
Happen did you we haven't talked to you about. This
what did you think of what they did With lonzo
for A? Korro how did you feel about? That?
Speaker 3: UH i MEAN i we talked about the cave side of,
it AND i was very pro Getting lonzo and moving
a coro. OUT i the bull side of it is
kind OF i don't. Know the stakes are so much
lower THAT i don't have nearly a strong of feelings about.
Speaker 2: IT i guess you could.
Speaker 3: Say That okoro for this team might actually provide more
value because he maybe will be healthier and we'll.
Speaker 2: Give, you.
Speaker 3: Know SOME i, mean he's Not he's probably. NOT i
guess in some ways he's a better. DEFENDER i don't.
KNOW i don't have real strong feelings about. IT i
guess just from a durability, standpoint Maybe akro you could
argue has more value Than lonzo does For. Chicago but,
LIKE i don't, know you They i'm. Not i'm not
seeing like a huge needle mover. There do you what
are your?
Speaker 2: THOUGHTS i. Can't it's hard to imagine having strong thoughts
on this. One from the bull.
Speaker 1: SIDE i understand it from like kind of the defensive,
perspective and he. Did there was once upon a time
where he had some more on ball reps In, cleveland
and like he showed some feel as a secondary, playmate
like kind of The Josh green type of playmaking where
if he's on the, move you can do some speak
in my. Language, Yeah SO i like it's it's not
on the level Of Alex caruso For Josh, giddy but
it feels, LIKE i don't, know you got the worst
player on a more expensive, contract so you, LIKE isaacacrl
really needs to, pop and you also just you windowed
down your collection of two way players on a roster
that doesn't have many of those to begin. With AND
i don't know if THE i honestly don't know what the,
thought LIKE i would have wanted as much bankable floor
spacing Around Josh giddy if you're going to pay him
as certainly Modest bouzellis And Noah sangway, Like SO i
found it. CURIOUS i don't think it's malpracticed or, anything
but they must see something in isaacacorro THAT i, don't
or maybe they are gearing up For, oh if we
think we're gonna Trade, ioh we need someone who we
think can play like thirty minutes of just really like
gritty point of attack defense in the back, court and
that's where they're coming. At and like we Know lonzo
can't play thirty minutes a game right? Anymore, right our
next team rendering The lightning round before the Super Lightning. Round,
uh THE Okc thunder. Grant they re Signed Jalen, williams
Big Jalen williams for three years twenty three point nine.
Million they re signed Aj mitchell for three years and nine,
million not twenty nine, million AS i put up on.
Screen they had to. Decline The thunder declined team options
on both of those dudes to make this. Happen they
also Traded Dylan jones in a second round pick to The,
wizards who we had an extensive video on the other
day and won't be talking about the much. Tonight But
wizards we talked about just being opportunistic taking. Flyers they
continue to do. That any thoughts here. On, okay, see
they were in a bit of a roster spot, shuffle
which is why they to make room for inbound first
rounder was A Thomas. Sorber you kind of had to
get rid Of Dylan. Jones but this is just like
these deals just might turn into a freaking steal For, Okay.
Speaker 3: YEAH i mean The mitchell one is so cheap that
it just makes. SENSE i, mean he was before he got.
Hurt he was actually like there was some, real like
weird backup playmaker possibilities. There maybe maybe he reprises that
and if, that if he can kind of do anything
at that salary, rate like that's a huge. Win And williams, like,
again you, KNOW i think a lot of what if
there's gonna be a domino that falls IN okac as
extensions come. In it seems like it might Be hartenstein
and they'll be able to get out of the last
year that. Deal so obviously a lot of The sorber
pick was kind of viewed through that. Lens and then
also Maybe Jalen, williams.
Speaker 2: He was like much younger THAN i. THOUGHT i think
he's twenty.
Speaker 3: THREE i don't know WHY i just assumed he was
older than, That but maybe he's someone that continues to
improve as a, shooter just keeps taking charges and is
like a legit first big off the bench for a
version of The thunder a couple of years from now
at that.
Speaker 2: Pay, Grade like that's a huge.
Speaker 3: Value so, yeah, GO i mean the, surprise, surprise The
thunder just kind of continue to make smart moves on
the margins.
Speaker 1: THEY i saw people trolling like why is it not
a big deal when The thunder give up like a
second round pick to wipe off a, contract and then
who just why and then why is it a big
deal that the? Man what was the? Trade that's All
the reaction to it was just, like, WELL i mean
it Was Dylan jones versus like someone who might have
actually HAD i can't remember, it but, yeah this seems mostly, Shrewd, like,
okay The thunder half picks to, spare so getting off
a first round pick one year later to create like roster.
Spot it's a little, weird but, Whatever BUT i would
echo what you, said and just as they if they
have to make tough like you Mentioned, hartenstein maybe with
Aj mitchell, specifically like if you ever have to make
a tough decision On case And wallace Or Alex, caruso
just depending on what their price points land. At he's
just insurance for. That and he's by the way he
was before his, injury he was in the. ROTATION i
know The thunder were banged up at that, point but
he was a, rookie, yeah not an undrafted rookie or
was he a second round but he was, undrafted RIGHT i,
think so, regardless he's in the. Rotation of what ended
up being THE nba. Champion that is, absurd AND i would.
Expect i'm wondering if The thunder will look at maybe
getting shooters like adding in another but the bar is
so high to crack the. Rotation it's just sort of,
like can you actually do? THAT i think the last
piece of business that they'll probably do is Both jail
And Jay dubb And Cheded holmgren are getting their max, Right.
Speaker 2: Yeah thirty fourth pick in his.
Speaker 1: Draft so how DID i not remember that?
Speaker 2: Undrafted when you said, UNDRAFTED i was, like that feels exactly.
Right i'm gonna say.
Speaker 1: It was funny BECAUSE i scouted him for something THAT
i did last, year SO i should have known that
it was number thirty. Four but, whatever we move. On
so we're gonna have to spend roughly like one hundred
and twenty minutes or so on this. Team do you
want to take us through what The Golden State warriors have?
Speaker 3: Done let's see nothing to see? Here Picked Upke santos's
team option two point two. Million, there Kevon looney, gone salute, you,
Champion jonathan kminga question, mark and then the most important
of all, Things Quinn post got his team option picked
up two million dollars JUST i, mean he'd be a
bargain at one hundred times the.
Speaker 2: Price so, YEAH i don't.
Speaker 1: KNOW i, mean like starting next, season.
Speaker 2: Well maybe, YEAH i bet he.
Speaker 3: Does i'll bet they go into the, Season, well they'll
say it's a, competition Like Trace, Jackson davis will have
a shot at, It Al horford will have a shot
at it when they sign, him and Then post will
also have a shot at. IT i think if you're
really gonna Have draymond And Jimmy butler on the floor,
together like you better start. Posting then maybe kaminga just
to get. Spacing even if even if It's pajemski half
the time who goes through stretches where he can't make a,
shot you're gonna need more, shooting more. SPACING i THINK
i Think post is gonna be the guy you're gonna
have to deal with all the. SHORTCOMINGS i do THINK
i made the point last season THAT i do think
there's a good possibility that he's someone that improves his
defense to the point where it's at least like a net.
NEUTRAL i don't know that he's ever going to be
a good, defender BUT i do have some faith that
he can be like an adequate guy out there to
the point where you at least are able to keep
the shooting on the. Floor but, YEAH i really kamingos who.
Speaker 2: We got to talk.
Speaker 3: ABOUT i just, like there's no, offers the nets don't
have any money, anymore and.
Speaker 2: It's seeming more and more likely that he's.
Speaker 3: Gonna come back and then probably get traded at the
deadline when the base of your compensation stuff is off the.
Speaker 2: Table that's my that's my. Forecast where are you on?
Speaker 1: IT i Think i'm with. You maybe there's like an
outide chance he just signs HIS qo and tries to
go into unrestricted free, agency which would be quite the
bet on a team that's not built to give him
like the role that he, wants and so he would
really have to embrace the role that they want him to.
Play AND i haven't asked you this about. Him so
it's two. QUESTIONS i want to know what's the, Number
like you're the war where the number gets queasy and
you're like you're almost hoping that he signs the qualifying
offer or you're really squeezing, Him like what is the,
like what's the most you're willing to pay him as
a warrior is in terms of preserving the.
Speaker 3: Asset, yeah not not from a like, oh he's gonna
be on the team at this, Number like, SO i
THINK i think he would be very easily tradable if
you hold on to him up and move him at
the deadline when you can go more dollar for dollar
and not this like fifty PERCENT byc. STUFF i think
he's pretty movable at twenty five or under a, year
or maybe just say starting at twenty. Five if you
get up into the, thirties THEN I i REALLY i
just DON'T i don't know that he's gonna play enough
or show enough in whatever new role he might be
in for that half a season to generate like real.
Value and then that's without even getting into the length
of the. DEAL i don't even know what kind of
what length of the deal he would, want, Right, like
maybe he'd like to just get back on the market
quickly plus, one, yeah something shorter like. That you, know
we always default to like the four four year. Dealers you,
know some of these guys are getting five on the higher.
End but but, YEAH i don't know if you want
to if you go above twenty. FIVE i don't know
that he's necessarily a safe bet to be tradeable for positive.
Speaker 1: VALUE dj says in the CHAT qo makes him easy
to trade In. December it, does but his bird rights don't,
transfer and he has veto power over any, move and
SO i don't know what a team would give up
to get him at that. Point my final question here
would be do you think for the role that The
warriors would if they if you let The warriors map
out the role that they wanted him to, play do
you think he's capable OF i don't want to say
it's scaling, down but fitting into, that like if he
really like from what you've, seen is this really a
preference thing on his part or you just think that
he's not wired or not capable of being that?
Speaker 3: GUY i, think, uh that's a that's a well. PHRASED
i think physically he's, capable at least on defense and
as a, rebounder of being exactly what they want him to.
BE i am less certain that as an offensive player
he's outfitted with the skills to be a quick read and,
react like you, know point whatever The spurs thing, was
point five or. Whatever decision MAKER i just think some
guys can do that and some guys.
Speaker 2: CAN'T i.
Speaker 3: Don't i've never really seen him consistently be the type
of offensive player that makes the correct quick, pass dribbleshoot.
Decision AND i don't know if that's in. There the bigger, issue,
though and you did, delineate like is it a capability
or a preference? Thing is his preference is just not
to be the guy The warriors want him to be at.
All he wants to, be he. SAID i, mean he said.
It Anthony slater had the reporting on, It like he
wants to be An All, star he wants to be
a first option, scorer he wants the ball in his,
hands he wants to create, shots get to the foul.
LINE i think that's awesome that he wants. That you
gotta believe in, yourself, Right like that's that's what you should,
be that.
Speaker 1: Confident Quote Grant hughes To Grant.
Speaker 2: PLEASE i tried to remember WHAT i, said BUT i.
Speaker 1: Couldn't if you don't believe in, you who? Will?
Speaker 3: Right if you don't believe, you who, will like you
should be irrational about how good you. ARE i think
to a, point WHAT i just he's never shown the
ability to drive good, offense and maybe that's not a
fair thing to say because of the situation he's been,
In BUT I i just think the major Issue i've
said it a hundred times with The warriors And kaminga
is that he thinks he's a different player than they
think he. Is AND i just don't know if that's
ever gonna SQUARE.
Speaker 1: I glasgow, asked what are your actual thoughts On Al
horford for The.
Speaker 3: WARRIORS i think he'd be a great, fit, Obviously like
he's just he would give you, spacing he'd give you,
defense he'd be another smart, addition a good. Passer he
would thrive in the kind of offense they want to. Play,
Yeah Robert kamiz is Like DeAndre and in that. Way,
yeah just the processing speeds not there, maybe and also
the sort of semi inflated view of your skills and
place on a.
Speaker 1: Team.
Speaker 3: Yeah, No horford would make a ton of sense for The,
warriors don't don't you? Agree, like just then you're not
really relying on posts and Trace Jackson davis to be your.
Speaker 1: STARTER i think the big problem there is that The
warriors aren't The. Knicks so, Right sorry forgot about that
is this going to break up the? Podcast it might
just we fight Over Al horford in his age and
then he just he signs With milwaukee or he's dead
to both of. Us, yeah and then we have a common.
Enemy so it's make or break. Season we're onto The.
Sixers they Signed Trendon waffer for two years five point
three million. Dollars that'll make more. Happy and Actually Trendon
offfer is like sort of a grab and go like,
undersize like big point guard, Type YET i like. Him
Kelly Brady junior picked up his player option of eight
point four. Million Eric gordon declined his player. Options makes
me think that they're just gonna pick him back up
on the minimum so it can offset with the way
that the league reimburses. You and they decline the option
On Lonnie. WALKER i think none of this stuff is.
Surprising The sixers don't have a ton of. Flexibility the
big thing that we would talk about quickly is The
Quentin grime. Stuff what do you think is a reasonable?
Number where does this end up? At The nets are
the only team now that we can really throw anything
at him unless it's assigned in. Trade just what do
you think happens and where do you view Him just
when you look At jared McCain and now you HAVE.
Vj edgecomb And TYRESE, maxi where does he rank on
the scale of priorities for those. GUARDS i know THAT.
Vj edgecomb could be more of a, wing but just you, know, reck.
Speaker 3: Yeah, NO i kind of view that as a bit
of a, logjam especially if you think McCain can sustain
and improve on what he did as a short rookie
season with the nets kind of looking less like a.
Threat i'm lowballing because, one you've got the positional, glut
you just can't overinvest In. Grimes and Two grimes has
been this guy for two, months and you Just i'm
a little hesitant to go nuts on a twenty five
million dollars a year thing based on that sample. Size
SO i think if, you if you're the, Sixers i'm
starting negotiations at like fifteen a year and just be, like,
well it's going to beat the mid, level so you,
know this is still probably the best you're going to.
Speaker 2: Do and if you want to just play on the qualifying,
offer good.
Speaker 3: Luck to, you and then maybe you find out whether
he's worth kind of bending over backwards to try to
keep some other, way you probably are kind of just
giving up on a long term relationship if you do
go to the qualifying offer. Route BUT i think the
this offseason is shaken out so far with the lack
of suitors and the nets looking less. THREATENING i Don't
i'm not starting in the twenties on. Him maybe he's worth,
that But i'm not not starting.
Speaker 1: There this feels kind of like a situation where he'll
get slightly more than the mid level because it's, Like,
okay this was what the market could give, you so
it's fourteen point one to, Start we'll give you, fifteen
and the raises go up from. There, Yeah like doesn't
it kind of feel like that's how this all, ends,
which by the, way is fair BECAUSE i don't know
how he fits in to the larger, Context like it
was cool that he had all that shock creation, stuff
but will he play with the same mojo when the
ball is not in his hands as often.
Speaker 3: And from an opportunity, standpoint, like he's just not gonna
have that those kinds of touches if unless the sixers
fall apart physically, again so it's and it's not even a,
question so much of could he do it? Again it's
like will he even be allowed to which probably?
Speaker 1: Not and then so what is his value look? Like
if it's four years and sixty four, MILLION i would
say that's eminently, tradable but it's like what is his actual?
Value so it's and they don't know enough because they
haven't Seen it's not to say it can't be like,
great but they just haven't seen it. Enough our next team,
grant WHICH i believe is our like final real. Team
you want to take us through The Orlando magic really.
Speaker 3: Quick, yeah they Signed Tyas jones one, year seven. Million
that's part a portion of the mid level. Exception uh
Declined movagner's eleven million dollar team. Option i'm sure he'll
be back on a different number just because THE i mean,
one he was super good offensively before he got. Hurt
in two his last. Name they declined a two point
two million dollar team option On Caleb Houston Tyas jones.
Quickly SO i think when we were like sketching out
who The magic, need we were always kind of, like,
oh dynamic playmaker and shot, creator And jones was always
like an okay. Fit but now That Desmond baine is
there you can deal with a game, manager, right, like
which is What jones. IS i THINK i Think i'm
fine with, it especially at that, number even, if Like,
jones isn't the real like EXCITING i don't, know like score,
scoring spacing threat that LIKE i don't know that we
have kept Using Anthony simons as that, guy.
Speaker 1: RIGHT i, mean he's not like He this might allow
him to blend what he did In, phoenix which he
didn't like he was in the corner a lot versus
like they will give him on ball. Touches but he's
also not a great. Defender so Will Jamal mosley ever play?
Him is the. QUESTION i JUST i did not see
him getting less guaranteed money per year Than Trey. JONES
i Guess Trey jones negotiating with The. Bulls BUT i
like to fit. Here it's a game manager For. Orlando
and just like in the, minutes whether it's With palo
And franz or, without like this is just The orlando
we talked. About maybe they could get a lot better
on offense this year when they saw. It Con like
now they're set up With Desmond bay and tied like
you can get like AND i wonder how Much Desmond
Baine Tyst jones' former team they played a role in
getting him To. Orlando so, YEAH i like. THIS i
think it's fine for The magic and IT'S i, LOOK
i said this To. Moret they have to be considered
the third best team in The east right, now right
they might even be considered the. SECOND i Think cleveland
would be. Favored and then maybe it's Like New York
orlando kind of in that, mix would we be we
Like atlanta at this point for, SURE i, Like miami's
not gonna be end up maybe if The sixers are,
healthy but that's a big.
Speaker 3: If, YEAH i Think cleveland's the only lock it in
ahead of them at this point and and like pretty.
Comfortably but but after, that, yeah they got as good
a shot as. Anybody i'd probably put The knicks in
that same in that same. Area, like but, like WHO
i Mean orlando signing puts you over the top On New. York,
well IT'S i, Mean orlando won ten fewer games than
The knicks last, year and they had their two best
players out for like a huge chunk of the. Season
so the, gap even based on last year isn't as
wide as it might SEEM.
Speaker 1: I actually lied and we have this team The. SPURS
i found it. Fascinating So Luke cornett got four years
and forty one million. Dollars the final year is a team,
option so, like you, know all, right that was how
do you feel you Have wemby that you could play them?
TOGETHER i guess at, point Like Luke cornett gives you In,
fury could give you some stretch you. Have The cornet
contests like do you think The spurs are built TO
i Think boston allowed him to do a lot of
things defensively that would cover up for his. Weakness is
the think The spurs are built in a similar?
Speaker 3: FASHION i THINK i think he's A he's an okay fit.
There it's a little more THAN i Thought cornett would.
Get but given like The spurs just had nobody at,
center like whether behind Wom migyamo or like next to,
Him so he's a pretty significant upgrade.
Speaker 2: There it's it's a little more.
Speaker 3: LIKE i, mean yeah that the the team option on
the on the final year is maybe if it's like
if it's effectively three for, thirty like maybe that has
a little less sticker.
Speaker 2: Shock but even this four for forty. One that's totally,
fine fine by.
Speaker 1: ME i think it's. FINE i mean they're in a
position where it. WORKS i was just the number caught
me off guard a little. Bit. Yeah. There do you
think they'll play him And wemby? Together probably not right
because they just don't have like enough backup big man
types on the roster in.
Speaker 3: General well, yeah more so for that reason than then
like a fit, issue BECAUSE i think you can sort
of play any actual center With wembenyama if you want.
Speaker 2: To if he's gonna shoot ten threes a game this,
year why.
Speaker 1: Not now my big question, is how do, you, like
how Will Brad stevens Reacquire Luke cornett in the middle
of the.
Speaker 3: Season let's, see They'll Derek white back to back To San.
Antonio that'll be the.
Speaker 1: Trade So i'm going to just read to you the
other teams that we didn't go through what they. Did
it's gonna be ten, sets like less than thirty seconds
on each, team just to, see like if there's any
storylines to keep track. Of, Basically, so The Boston, celtics
they Signed Luca, garcer so they found their big man.
Replacement they picked up the team option ON. Jd. DAVISON
i think the storyline kind of here is are they
done with their cost cutting and no justification? Needed does
this make it more likely they Bring horford back now
that they. LOST i think everyone, thought, Oh cornett's gonna
end up being the cheaper, one so he'll be. Back
and now it's, like Well cornett got like more money
than Brook.
Speaker 2: Lopez, yeah, wow that's now that's the way to frame.
Speaker 1: It.
Speaker 3: UH i JUST i don't understand Why horford would come
back other than if it's like a lifestyle the kind
of you, know he wants to be In boston because
he's GONNA i think he's gonna get full mid level,
offers AND i don't Think austin should be in the
business of doing anything close to.
Speaker 1: That as My i've said everything on my. Desk flying
The pacers picked up the team option On Tony. Bradley
Is Miles turner Gone?
Speaker 3: Grant is that What i'm just looking at your. KEYBOARD
i can't concentrate right. Now, yeah, Clearly Tony bradley's going
to be the center of the future for the next
championship iteration of the of The, pacers not Like.
Speaker 2: Turners he'll be, back LIKE i.
Speaker 3: DON'T i don't know why he hasn't signed, yet but like,
THERE i don't think there's any realistic scenario Where turner gets.
Speaker 1: Away to, you, NO i, don't and then if it,
is it's going to be a sign in. Trade at
this point, TOO i do wonder do you think that
they're going to enter the season in the tax or
that they'll cut salary.
Speaker 3: BEFORE i think they'll cut salary. Before, unfortunately The halliburton
INJURY i think gives them cover to do, that even
though they said they would pay.
Speaker 1: It The Miami. Heat they did Resign Davion mitchell on
a two year. DEAL i think it was a twenty four. Million,
uh that's. Fine Duncan robinson is a free, agent so
he declined there's really termination, option and he picked it.
Up he would have been guaranteed almost Ten this just
feels like it'll end with him signing for multiple years
that like maybe two years and. Twenty so it's like
he's locking in slightly more guaranteed money than he had
for year, one and then you get money in year
two and maybe it's non. GUARANTEED i HONESTLY i thought
that was that was an interesting decision by.
Speaker 3: Him, YEAH i hadn't thought about the obvious, possibilities just
he'll just be. BACK i was, Like, oh there's a
shooter on the, market like maybe maybe he fills The
beasly void and everybody throws money at.
Speaker 2: Him.
Speaker 3: YEAH i think that's that's a fair. Assumption now to
be back In. Miami it's just with more guaranteed. Money
what's wrong with?
Speaker 1: That So, phoenix we know about The they Acquired Mark,
williams they guaranteed the salary Of Nick. Richards they also Drafted,
malawatch so they got some centers. There they traded Me
sich as part of that deal For as part of
that deal Of Mark, Williams cody mart was officially waived By.
Phoenix go pick him, Up, Nicks, celtics every single team
in THE. Nba he's a fit. Everywhere and as you pointed,
out they agree to a one, year two million dollar
deal With Nigel Hayes.
Speaker 3: Davis gotta get Our EuroLeague champion And Turkish CUP mvp.
Speaker 2: Guys some shout outs.
Speaker 1: The, sun The. Blazers we probably could have talked about
this more at, length but they waived. There they finally
go buy out With DeAndre. Eighton we know they traded
for jew. Holiday we talked about that at length more,
night so that's why we didn't go through. It what
did you make of that he reduced his salary by ten,
million which made me think, That, okay he's getting like
most of the non tax PAYER miid level somewhere.
Speaker 3: ELSE i think The my takeaway is that really big
expiring salaries may not be what they used to be
because what was he had about thirty five a year
and then coming off the, books you would think they're
in years past there would have been a market for that.
Guy maybe it was to take on longer term money
that might not be so, hot but you would you know,
It just as we're trying to figure out what this
NEW cba is gonna inflate the value of and diminish
the value, of it kind of feels like maybe expiring
salaries are not quite so.
Speaker 1: Great, yeah how'd they Get Turkish tatum FROM bja talking About?
Phoenix good for? Them so will he Be turkish positive
tatum or negative? Tatum how does? That how does that?
Speaker 2: WORK?
Speaker 1: Tvd so, YEAH i would echo everything you kind of said,
there and especially The Collin sexton deals on WHAT i
look at where it's, like oh, right they had to get,
Off like give up is just, bizarre some weird. Stuff
The Toronto raptors grant you know what they've done absolutely.
Nothing they did get rid Of masayu jury. Though your
thoughts on, That.
Speaker 3: Uh, well he'll be running The knicks pretty, soon so
we'll talk about it.
Speaker 2: Then, NO i don't.
Speaker 3: KNOW i, mean it seemed like that was, souring didn't
it in, Hindsight like there was some question ABOUT i,
mean he was making a ton by all, accounts and
like he's presided over this team that has kind of
been like treading water for a little bit too, Long
SO i get.
Speaker 2: It i'm not.
Speaker 3: Surprised and he's like he's a big personality, Too like
he was kind of bombastic in some of his comments
about the team's ambitions and then didn't. Deliver so that's
that's always gonna maybe you, know rub ownership the wrong.
Speaker 1: Way, yeah this just FELT i don't know the press
conference vibe based off the QUOTES i s a offer.
Me it just ME i feel like they don't really
have a Plan like this felt like more of a
power compense Like Tory issueste than it was anything. Else,
yeah SO i don't favor. It, finally The Washington, wizards
they Waved Anthony. Gill they Acquired Dylan jones from The. Thunder,
uh we just did. SO I glascow Says misside drafted
one more wing who can't shoot before he.
Speaker 2: Left.
Speaker 1: THOUGH i like that that's optics made. It the timing
was weird because the optics made it look like they
were so unhappy with the draft and they fired, him
which is clearly this is stuff that builds.
Speaker 3: Up do you like sneak the pick in to everyone's?
Surprise it's, LIKE i, know tikebacks see.
Speaker 1: You. Uh just we recorded something recently at length with The.
Wizards i'd encourage you to go check it out on
our YouTube channel or podcast. Feed we like the direction
that they're headed. IN i think that they have enough
expiring contracts though where it's like we haven't heard from
them yet during free, agency but we will hear from
them at some.
Speaker 2: Point it feels like a. Threat is that a?
Speaker 1: Threat that's, look it's. Time are you ready to take
us out of? Here? Sir after two hours and seventeen
plus minutes of free agency, talk.
Speaker 3: Pretty good for us on a day one Of Free.
AGENCY i don't know what our average, is but this feels.
Speaker 2: Like it's under.
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